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Somebody! Speaker! When you woke up this morning when you started train young men, your tryout started when you took your first Welcome to another episode of a different basketball podcast.
My name is Jordan Mount.
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Our conversation with Mathis Crowder and share Ackermann.
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So without further ado, please enjoy our conversation with Mathis Crowder and share Ackerman how you doing? But what they won't tell you is they got they got two other guests in the room to be Oh, no, that's good.
I want to introduce you guys thio to the podcast audience, but I think I'm gonna let you do it because you guys obviously have, ah, unique situation.
So, um, just kind of explain to explain to the audience what creating young minds is.
And you know what the You know what the Lewisville team represents from for TVO? Absolutely.
We started creating young minds back in 2011 and we did that.
Teoh give young men opportunities that they wouldn't have had access to otherwise with regards to basketball and academics on just being successful in their lives all by themselves.
Um, we started helping guys get college scholarships using basketball as the tool on DWI were very successful.
With that, we were able to get 80 plus guys college scholarships since 2011.
My husband had been doing it far longer than that before.
We even started the program when he was in Seattle Washington.
So he has even more than that number of young men that he was able to help get to college.
We had a lot of success with our guys when they were in college.
Academically, they had three point owes 3537 magna *** laude Suma *** lay with three year graduates with three sevens and up.
But basketball was a bit of a bit different when it came to success for our guys once they were in college.
And that's because of the way the political system works with college sports and much like football, basketball has a lot of politics.
Um, that complicates young men and women's ability to be successful if they don't fit exactly what the university wants.
The college coach wants with our guys and I'll let you know math.
Let's talk a little bit about this.
Our guys are always the ones that no one pays attention. Thio.
They didn't get opportunities.
They weren't allowed to play.
They were cut from their team where they were seniors or juniors on their freshman.
You know, JV teams on DSO.
They didn't have stars, they didn't have rankings.
They weren't highly recruited.
And so when they came to us, we were able to give them all the pieces that they needed to get recruited basketball wise and academically, Um, but because they weren't part of that recruiting class, even though they were more talented and worked harder and went to class and we're low maintenance or no maintenance, they still weren't allowed to play.
So we went through that for many years with our guys and just decided we needed a better option to help them be successful with basketball and with their lives and professional basketball is attainable For a lot of players.
It's not something that you have to dio high school college pro the way it's set up here in the United States.
So we wanted to give our guys that opportunity and still help them do their academics online while they're playing professional basketball.
Because you don't have to go to college to get a college degree.
You know, about their no players.
Um, basically, life is about opportunity, and biggest thing is having a coach to believe in.
You having somebody to believe in.
If you have somebody to believe in you, you're gonna work a little harder when you have somebody to believe in.
You e mean, you didn't You can basically describe everything.
What goes on and with these young men that come to me, they come to me.
Uh, basically through their whole lives, they have nobody to believe in them and what they do and what their dreams and goals on.
A lot of times I tell them, Okay, I believe in you.
But you gotta do this.
This this and I'm gonna be hard on you.
So you gotta set this a lot of time.
A lot of times outside.
If you don't know me, you think I'm too mean.
This guy ever a really? You know, But, um, he's, you know, a lot of people.
He's so hard on him.
He screamed at him, but they don't understand when I'm taking that young man to the doctor.
You know, um, that young man, I'm right there for him when nobody else not caring for him were.
So supporters were helping these young man to build businesses and build entrepreneurship.
So he's all those things that are focuses, what can we How can we help you be successful? That's our main goal.
Basketball is not gonna be here forever.
But it's all about teaching them how to be their own man, how to be their own, you know, be a leader, not a follower, E.
I think that's great.
E think Jim Valvano said This has said, uh, he said the greatest thing my dad ever did for me was believed in me.
And I think that's huge special for coaches because a lot of times, you know, either you're looking at a coach is a father figure or mother figure, um, in a lot of aspects, because you spend so much time with them, eso whether, if you love him or hate him, you know, it's it's still they still kind of take that role.
I did want to touch a little bit on, you know, I went to college because I could shoot threes and and I boosted the team GP A.
So I understand e understand what goes on, but no, I think that's great, you know? So you guys been doing this for eight years? Is that right? Now, e was close.
Late? Late? Um, I'm curious.
How for math, Right? It wasn't for math.
E took the AP test and calculus, and I got I got I got a four out of five. That's a college credit.
I don't e it's been a while.
All the relationships that that you guys have built over this nine years, Um, you know, Is that how how special is that to you guys? Well, I think that, you know, we have a very unique program, and that's what we tell people all the time.
And the guys who have been part of the program either from the beginning or along the way will will agree to that because the one thing that's really neat, and families have said this over the years when they would bring their son to the because we have some of our guys when they would bring their son to move in or they'd come pick them up, you know, for vacation times.
Um, they used to say, It's amazing when I come.
You have a bunch of guys from college, that air here visiting, and they're here by choice.
They're here because they want to come visit.
They're here because they want to train.
They want to help the next group coming up the way that we helped them.
And we still have guys that we helped, you know from the very beginning, that show up all the time just because the program was so important to them.
And that's what we want.
But way didn't ask for that.
You know, we we didn't way, didn't teach that.
That just was part of what we've done.
And the ones who aren't still here because, you know, they moved on.
They have a family, um, there coaching themselves or they're helping in their community.
They call on check in with us.
Um, they know our daughter.
We know their family, Um, even ones that that man has worked with before.
We even started the program will call and text randomly and tell him all the amazing things they're doing to help others in their community, through basketball or through through academics, through sports, whatever it is on those those relationships, you know, it's amazing, you know, and those are very special to us.
E think that's great.
You know, That's why what we do.
That's kind of what I do.
You know why I do what I do.
I love the relationship part.
Um, you know, I think the money is awesome, but at the same time, if I don't like the person I'm working with, you know, it's not gonna It's not gonna work out for me very well.
So relationships wise, it's is huge.
Um, I am curious, though.
So how does somebody if I'm a kid or I'm a college student? You know, how did I get involved with you guys? Or are you recruiting these guys to come out? You know, how does how does that process work? Uh, way.
Really? Don't recruit, um, usually get a phone call or we get a message.
Young men want to come here or we'll get a family member that heard about us and call us.
Um, I mean, I haven't recruited since I've been doing this my whole life.
I never eso and one of the reason why I never recruit because I always get the guy at the end of the bench.
There's no good never play or the guy that barely plays and the coach don't see the value in him.
One thing I learned in life when my mom taught me is Sisi the positive and everybody see the value and everybody, um, you know, even if it is dim, even if it's just 20% out of 100% try to find the positive and give them the opportunity to do something with that positive, you know? So that's how I look at everything way.
Ah, young man can basically call us or family can call us or send us an email or whatever they're gonna do them do instagram Um and our biggest thing is, is about character.
Um, my big thing is, we want to talk to you, and and and if you're not talking about.
If you're just talking about basketball, we can help you.
Um, if we're on the phone with you and we're talking about what you want to do with your life a year from now, always ask the guys where you want to see yourself.
A year from now, three years from now, five years from now, if you have no plan, we're gonna help you get that plan.
If you don't wanna plan, we can help you.
You gotta You gotta go.
Because if you just want to stay stagnant way really don't want you around us.
You When? Um When? When guys come to your school, What's the first thing you're telling them? Like, are you telling Okay, uh, this is a set schedule blah, blah, blah or you saying all right, Well, you just go to your thing and go your classes and go to practice, and it is what it is.
No, we're far more structured than that with the academy.
When we had high school players that we were housing young men when we first started from Washington State were the first group that we had.
We actually worked with a local charter school in Irving, which is right near Lewisville, where we were living for the beginning of the program.
Onda We would take them to school every morning.
Um, it was, ah, charter school.
So it was half day self paced.
And so they get picked up a 12 then they go to practice.
Um, come back to the house.
They the food we provide all the food they have to do the cooking eso they would cook and they had to clean.
They had to wash their clothes.
We taught them all those daily living skills that, you know, if you go right off to college, you're not going to be very successful if you haven't learned that.
And most of the guys that we got, they don't know how to do any of that stuff.
So they all actually started to learn how to do it together.
And then when we had on the weekends, if we weren't playing or traveling, they had practice again.
Um, there were, you know, set off days and that kind of thing for them.
And we had the apartment complex where we first lived, had a cool and it was great in the fall.
and winter because it became a giant ice bath, and that was probably one of their least favorite activities.
But after practice, they practice really hard.
And instead of taking ice baths in the apartment, everyone's going to go to the pool on, You know, we would do it also.
So then they didn't really have much to say because we knew how, eh? So we would do it and they would have Teoh, you know, it was five minutes or 10 minutes, depending on just how cold the water was.
Everyone be out there and their their hats and their gloves and that, you know, we all look a mess.
But now that we've kind of moved out from a giant ice bath, we now use Cryo Capelle for all of our rehab.
And so after practice is now and workouts, um, depending on, you know, if they're the guys don't live with us.
Um are the guys that are on the protein or the guys in the academy? Everyone goes after practices or workouts and guys that we have is Then we take them after practice or work out so that they get that same rehab.
But you know what? Yeah, what? What we do when people want to join the program, whether it's for the academy or for the protein or just in opportunity to see where they might fit to get other opportunities.
We tell people, you know, once we have that phone call and you know, we think we'd be happy to help you.
We just want to see you in person.
We asked them to come to practice, and we do that because practices so hard that most guys never come back.
Um, it's always been that way.
You know, all of our guys that were with us, they joke with each other when someone who comes in on they do they start making bets.
We've actually had some records, guys that moved in and I think left Don't even know the next day.
But, you know, they because the guys who are here and make it they know just how demanding and rigorous our workouts are.
Not to mention the regular routine way.
Um, and you know, they don't They don't have cars, you know, the high school guys on DSO they have to go somewhere.
Um, but our focus is you, you know, kind of focusing on you.
So when we first started, um, up until now that we have the pro guys, they're they're living in the house is nobody had their phones on a 24 7 basis, you know, we had their phones and they could use their phones, you know, three times a week or more if they needed to talk to their families.
Of course, they didn't talk to their families.
But, you know, that was the idea for a certain amount of time when we would give them their phones.
And the rest of the time.
You know, we have books and and we have, you know, board games, and they get very competitive card games.
And but the idea was for them.
Thio learn how to communicate with each other without a phone on without a computer and without social media.
How do you interact socially when those those skills have have kind of been lost on? But how do you get to figure out who you are and what things are important to you and what your goals are and what people that air in your life are helping you achieve those goals and what people that are in your life are not helping you achieve those goals.
And how do you figure out all of that if you have all the distractions around you, So we remove, remove the distractions so that you can focus on you, Andi, even now, you know, with the guys in the house, um, the ones who are serious and, you know, dialed in and really brought into the program even if they have their phones, they're not on their phones because they've figured out how to use social media as a tool for building your brand and your business versus using social media has your mode of communication.
Uh, you deserve Ah, Nobel Peace Prize.
Exactly that That's absolutely incredible.
I don't understand how you do that.
I mean, you know, I need you guys to come over here and help me.
I'm on my phone, like, eight hours a day trying to figure out what's going on.
So, um, but, you know, I think that's awesome.
But I do want to touch on tbl first, so we'll tbl last.
Tbl eyes rapidly expanding and we're getting the scale you know.
What do you guys think of that and how that's going on? You know, how do you feeling? You know what? Your thought process.
I think it's been amazing.
I love David and Evelyn.
Um, e just think it is growing so fast because of their vision on what they think and how they're feeling.
We 100% behind them on on their vision.
When David first came to us last summer, Hey came to us.
He said, You guys need to get a TBL team.
I was like, Well, we got we got the high school prepping or would be like to your model and then he was like, David was like, You guys are already doing it, you know? You know, you had a guy in the draft a year ago, Year two ago, you know? So why don't you guys doing that? We was like, Well, and so we thought about it.
We didn't think long joining.
We didn't think long, and we said yes.
And I think you're just amazing or what they're doing, how quick they're growing.
Um, if you mostly don't grow this fast, they just don't.
And then what? How David and evident has it set up.
It will give the lead and the teams they can last.
You know, most of the teams are basically from combines.
Most of the players are basically from the combine.
And so what happens is you don't get caught up with agents and all the extra stuff.
You know, you don't get caught up with the money.
Situation is bad, you know? So I think, I think is a win win situation.
I just love everything I love about.
You know, we spend so much time in community.
Every Monday we go feed seniors and Monday we go from nine o'clock to two o'clock and the boys love it.
The seniors love them because the seniors can't get out.
They haven't been able to get out since March.
So we go drive all around.
Didn't County and Lewisville and Carrollton and and basically bring them food.
And that's what the TBS all about.
Community and growth.
Um, that's one thing Evelyn and David talks about is community is what they talk about ownership.
They talk about entrepreneurship, financial literacy, and were.
We've been doing all this for the last nine years, and so so Once we met them, it was a perfect fit.
I mean, it wasn't even no questions asked.
You know, So I love the TVL and I love what it stands.
It stands for something is, is not, is not is not being fake.
It stands for something.
No, I I That's that's That's awesome.
You know, you don't get into this league because you wanna make money.
You get in this league because you wanna help people, players, communities.
Uh, you know, interconnect everybody, you know, that's why you join the league.
I think that's what the league is rapidly expanding because we live in this time where there's not a lot of that going on.
And now you could take, you know, you say, say there is 32 teams next, you know this upcoming season.
Now there's 32 markets where everybody is involved in the community and it's all meshed together.
You know what's projections like for your next season? You know what do you see the season in the league when it starts in March? How do you see it going? Well, I think that we're very excited.
Obviously, we've had our guys playing.
We had our summer league are fall preview league and we're going to have a fall winter league leading all the way through the end of January so that when we get to February for training camp, our guys were really ready.
And if they haven't gotten an opportunity to move on before then, well, then you know they're on our team.
But like we did last year, we're gonna have two teams.
We have the development team on Ben.
We'll have the TBL teams so that were continually giving more and more guys as many opportunities to play and get, get film and get stats and get seen so that they can move to whatever leagues beyond ours are most beneficial for them on board.
You know, that's how we really are replicating.
You know, the European model with the club system so that we've got our development team.
We've got our TBL team.
And then, of course, there's the N B A G league and then there's the NBL.
Here in the United States, you've got the NBL, Australia, that we have a relationship with the NBL, Canada, all the euro leagues and when all those leagues start opening back up.
You know, we've had our guys being seen and guys that want to be part of us or just they want to play in the TBL.
We've had them getting all this exposure so that once everything opens back up, you've got guys that are ready to go toe, whatever the highest level is, you know.
And I know you know Mathis will tell you where we'll probably win more than one game this season, but that's not our That's not our focus.
You know, Our objective is to get our guys, um, as much opportunity to play at the highest level that they can.
And you know, that's that's really our objective and to help them build their businesses.
So the business is that we've helped build right now, you know, like with Marcus and Marcus you had interviewed him is well for mindful Films Productions.
You know, he's starting to get a lot of attention, the community and a lot of jobs for businesses that want, you know, the production services and, you know, just working with our guys now all the things that we're going to start building with them so that when the TBL season starts in March, we may have four or five guys that already have established businesses in the state of Texas.
You know, the biggest biggest thing Jordan is our goal is before the TBL season start.
If things open back up and guys get jobs were Okay, um, it doesn't bother me starting the season with a bunch of 18 1920 year olds.
It doesn't bother me at all.
Like like, kind of what we did last year.
I'm not worried about wins and losses.
I win when? Economics.
When our boys have economics and economics.
Basically, they're being successful financially.
They're being successful in their businesses, there being successful and everything in life, you know, and being a better person.
That's more important to me.
You know who I am? I'm competitive.
Oh, you ask the boys.
I practice with them every day.
I'm very competitive.
Rebounding the gym.
I got to see it, you know, but I e got agree there to see that, but I e I'm just saying Marc Marcus Marcus told me that he was I don't know what I'll let you ask him.
I'll let you text him and ask him, but that Z But that's the most important thing you know.
It's all about growth.
If we can, you know, we can get our guys getting their own businesses and everything.
What that does that grow us? They bring growth to our program and bring growth to the TBL.
And it shows that the TBL is not just a basketball is bigger than basketball.
That's true, way bigger than basketball.
Well, we're getting.
We're getting to the end of the show.
It's almost your guys. It's bedtime.
It's definitely my bedtime.
But this is my favorite part of the show speed round.
We had my and you shot on last week.
And so what we did was we just did, uh, we did a competition to see who could answer the most questions in a minute E because the fight I don't want to cause any e o depends a topic A doesn't matter.
Answer or just they have to be right.
Don't ask more questions.
How maney, You answer.
They gotta be Good question like you have to like.
If I say a question, you can't just, like, say something, you know what I mean. Way.
Who's going first? May.
Okay, so the question.
What's your favorite place to eat in Lewisville? Jed's pizza Favorite part of TBL community.
What? You guys go to gate Date Spot Time place.
What's your favorite **** in Texas? Davis favorite.
Well, favorite gym in Texas L A Fitness Lost, Holiness.
What is your favorite Jim of all time? So the favorite, Jim, you ever been inside L A Venice e passbook game you've ever seen? Best basketball game I've ever seen in person? Well, I was playing in it.
That was back in 2009.
What's your favorite movie genre comedy? What's your favorite book? Oh, Shel Silverstein.
Any of them? What's your favorite fruit? Apple time.
Let's see what we got.
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You guys live in Washington first.
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What is your favorite? What's your favorite type of weather? Hot favorites.
Your favorite season.
Summer in the summer, Texas.
What's your favorite time of day afternoon Favorite sport basketball.
What's your favorite thing to learn in your free time? Uh, I like numbers.
I'm like ****ytics numbers.
What was your favorite start? Dressed in high school math.
Your favorite dessert.
Favorite thing to order at a fast food restaurant.
What is your favorite animal? Leopard Avery.
Banana time e wasn't bad.
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E hope that doesn't cause a fight.
E appreciate you guys coming on the show today, thanks to all the listeners that came on again, I really appreciate it. There was a lot of fun.
Thanks for having us.
Thank you for having us