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00:00:03
Alright.
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This timer is always always plays with my emotions a little bit, but on.
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Come on.
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Alright, everybody, welcome back to SportsCastr News.
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This is of course, your host, Matt Brooks.
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I apologize for the changing.
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Like I think we're going through a couple of clouds right here in my room.
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Um, yeah, very dramatic.
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Today I am here with Adam Rx. Of course.
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My co host.
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How are you doing today? Enjoy the day off.
00:00:29
We've had two little days off here between these finals games.
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Yeah, listen, as much as it's nice to get a couple days off, I also have to realize that this is the end of it.
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All right? There's only there's maybe a gentleman coming.
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Maybe only a couple more games.
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So as much as I like it, I'm also fearful about needing to move on from this.
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And as we were saying, start engaging in speculation content, which is everything to Dio.
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Oh, yeah, I love love.
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You know what I love is going on Twitter or or read it and just seeing the entire feed full of fake trades from trade, eh? NBA dot com Love it.
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I I can't get enough of it? No, in all seriousness.
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Um, yeah, this is It's actually kind of started to feel a little bit like the off season, which is good.
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Yesterday was the first day I was actually like, really kind of willing to engage in it.
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I've just enjoyed these playoffs so much so I think, first off, like I want to do a little bit of finals M v p talk because I think it's a discussion that I kind of wrote off yesterday, very snarky.
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Just Oh, it's it's I'll explain my pick in just a second, but I've kind of had some time to think about it, and I'm kind of walking it back a little bit.
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And then we're also going to do a little bit of of what the next year should look like.
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But let's first talk about this finals.
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M v P pick.
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So who first off? Who do you have right now as the finals? M v P.
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My initial take was LeBron James.
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It was, it felt like, and it's the raw it's the wrong pick.
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It felt like the right thing when you go back to the game where they they lose Game three and you look at his performance there and you track him through and you say Wow, really consistent triple double, almost here and there, Whatever.
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Then I take a step back and you go back to games one and two.
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You look at Anthony Davis and what he did in those games, and then I combine it with the thought of Guess what.
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The game that they lose is the game where Anthony Davis has foul trouble, the game where he didn't have a good performance.
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Now you can knock him for that on an individual level.
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But in terms of impact on the Siri's impact on him being successful or not, that's the needle mover in this.
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If he's not playing well, if he doesn't have good games, then I think that makes it far more likely that the Heat can steal games as opposed to the other way around.
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LeBron could have a by a statistical, you know, perspective, a small game, and they could still very easily win against the heat.
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Interesting.
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I actually I've actually never heard that argument used like that.
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Like usually you look at that as Oh, if a guy has a bad game.
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That kind of knocks him out of the conversation.
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So you look back at 2018.
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I want to say it was game to for maybe Game three for Curry, one of those games where he just put up an absolute breakfast and couldn't really make anything against the Cavaliers defense That was not good at all, like not good at all.
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And and it kind of knocked him out of the M V P running, even though I personally think he should have wanted Kevin Durant, of course, walks away with that award, so I've never heard it used like that.
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I think the other thing that's kind of interesting about that.
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Game three is like, statistically, LeBron like if you look at the raw numbers, he was really good.
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But it was everything else that he wasn't doing well, so I had a lot of turnovers.
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He was, I thought, really bad, like just bad defensively.
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So it was kind of funny like, I mean, this kind of shows you the greatness of this Lakers team that their two best players have just terrible games and it requires the heat to have this ridiculous Jimmy Butler game that you get one out of every 10 playoff games.
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Eso eso I know it's kind of hard for me to pick, but, um, I'll say this.
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I had Anthony Davis.
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I was pretty pretty stern about that yesterday.
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I, you know, you just look at kind of how the Lakers play and with this defensive integrity, and it's just their complete identity.
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And you see that in Game four.
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The big adjustment is moving Anthony Davis onto Jimmy Butler, who, by the way, started off really well in that first quarter.
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And it just seemed like a big, pivotal milestone moment in this Siri's.
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And it was like, Okay, this is done.
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We're going.
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It's off season time like this zone After Game three, it's done, and for me, that really resonated with me.
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However, in the last 24 hours, I've read some things.
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I've listened to some things.
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I've read a couple articles on the athletic.
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I believe it was chaired Weiss of the athletic, who did some stuff on LeBron thought this might not be the right article, but go over the athletic and read it Anyways, They've got great stuff over there um, kind of talking about some of the things that he was doing and the counters that he had to the Miami defense.
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You know, he was splitting defense when they tried toe hedge and send two defenders at him, which I thought was creative and also impressive that he could do that in 35 years old.
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Um, he, you know, and he took control of the game.
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He kind of managed his minutes in a way.
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That Nick nurse on the Zach Lowe podcast with with Brian Wind horse.
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Um, they were kind of talking about how he was sort of gay managing throughout the game and was taking those deep threes in the third quarter to save up for that fourth quarter run.
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So it kind of made me appreciate a little bit of what LeBron did.
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Like we take the LeBron scoring thing for granted.
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We do but think about how many playoff games they've had now what this is that's 14 games for them that they've had in the bubble, playing every two.
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Well, maybe not every two games, because they finished a little early, but their games have come in succession with one another So he's coming out night after night after night and he's still got this extra gear.
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He's able to basically load managing game.
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I don't know.
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It made me appreciate him a little bit. I thought it was.
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I think if he wins, I feel a little better about it.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it's tricky because I think your point about the first point about LeBron James and looking past the scoring right, that zoos to be a really easy thing to Dio and everyone falls prey to that.
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I'm going like, Well, of course, he's going to get you 20 to 25 points a game like it's the assumption that he gets you 20 to 25 points a game, and then you start to go into some of the other details.
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So, you know, I guess from a M V P standpoint, consistency obviously plays a factor, and then you're talking about his adjustments toe what Miami into what Spoelstra are trying to do to him defensively, I guess the flip side of it, if I was going to and I it's really hard to argue if you say LeBron James is the envy, you know it's hard to push back on it.
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Thea other thing is, and it's not something that I know well enough to articulator to explain what's occurring in game.
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But what Anthony Davis forces the Miami Heat to do on the offensive end the fact that if you shift him that if you ship them into the five or you pull them down to the floor, the fact that you can defend multiple positions now all of a sudden you're saying Well, if it mitigates Jimmy Butler, that all of a sudden puts more pressure on Tyler hero to be more successful consistently from the perimeter.
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And it's not like you can ask him to necessarily take over a game.
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Or Robinson, who had a relatively good performance in game number for game number.
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Yeah, game number four there but still came up on the short end of it.
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So I and then you even think about the bad game that Davis has in game number three, and we talked.
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I talked about this with with Doug on WGN yesterday where if you're thinking about four blocks in game number in game number four for Anthony Davis, that's the staff that also jumps off the page right, four blocks, guys having a monster game.
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It doesn't mean that in a game where the stat line isn't there, that he's still not impacting it.
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Because if you're forcing Jimmy Butler say, I'm not going to drive the lane here or here or any of these players.
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If I'm not gonna go on attacking the basket because of the presence of Anthony Davis, then I'm going a different way.
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I'm moving off the option number two offensively.
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Likewise, we talk about switches or high screens.
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If Anthony Davis is showing the athleticism and ability to switch off and pick up the four or stay with the five, it forces again.
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Another adjustment now.
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To be fair, it's not to say that LeBron James doesn't force those same issues for you.
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So you know, I want to feel like there's a little bit of a coin flip here in terms of the direction you want to go picking one of the other, and I don't know if it should or shouldn't be a factor that LeBron James is 35 years old and doing what he's doing.
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Maybe it should be like maybe it should be accounted for that he's still able to do this at a high level in the finals when it matters most.
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And the knock off does he quote takeoffs, UM, minutes or manage himself through games.
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You can list it as a knock.
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But to your point, if you you know yourself so well that you can control yourself through three quarters to be able to turn it on into a different gear and attack in a different way in the fourth quarter has to be has to resonate in terms of M V P conversation.
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So I don't know, maybe I'm talking myself out of that of Anthony Davis.
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No, it's a very pendulum swing for me and maybe this game.
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By the way, if it's going to be a gentleman sweep and they're going toe win tomorrow night, maybe whoever has the bigger performance in that could be.
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That could be the determining factor in M v P.
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You can also make the case if you want to.
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That Anthony Davis hit that Big three in game number four.
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That essentially was the final blow they have for Miami to solidify that victory as well.
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So It's like, you know, if you wanna go by one shot, do you wanna go by totality of performance? It's You can't have two of the top four players in the league on the same team when you're talking about the oh, yeah, this is.
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It's always so tricky doing this because I never know where to go.
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Anthony Davis is also really hard to measure, like he's really, because it is like, What are you doing? Block steals like, if I'm I'll be honest like he was probably the better player in this series.
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Like E.
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Don't think it was particularly close between him and LeBron because of what he did defensively.
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Like their entire, uh, the heats entire offense.
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This, like dribble handoff offense was neutralized because the Lakers guards were able to play so aggressive on that because they knew they had Anthony Davis behind them.
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They knew.
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It's like the ultimate confidence booster.
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I mean, bam, out of bio we're talking about this guy like this is the next big thing out of, you know, coming out of the Eastern Conference next, Anthony Davis coming out of the East like we I mean look like he had some nice plays in Game four.
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We barely heard a peep in the Siri's and I know he's injured, but I mean, still like in the game for where I really felt like he was gonna have a big energy boost and it looks like it.
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He was quickly out of that game and it's just like that's not his.
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That's not his fault at all.
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Like he's a young, he's 23.
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I mean, he has so much time to figure it out, and I again I think he's gonna able to shoot in the next two years, so he's gonna be fantastic.
00:11:03
But it just shows you like the progress that Anthony Davis has made.
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I mean, he is a case that he's the best player in the league right now right now, because of what he does offensively, in combination with that defensive, just all around, I don't know.
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I mean, he's he's like If I'm Garnett had better teammates like, I think that's what we're looking at with Davis.
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They're not the exact same player, but that defensive vs ality is ridiculous and I guess if I wanted to as far as M V. P.
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conversations go.
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If I wanna put an extra feather in Davis cap, it's that what he's you mentioned.
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His defensive presence is what allows LeBron James to choose how he wants to approach things on the on the defensive end of the floor.
00:11:45
You know, it's it's the safety valve like you say if you have a Kevin Garnett behind you, when you have a Yanis on your roster, right, like you get to do things differently when you you have a big body there that's anchoring your defense again, and I don't know if it doesn't mean you take it away from LeBron because of that, you know, like, listen, I'm also smart enough to utilize Anthony Davis in that way.
00:12:06
Like general MBA terms and why it's always so complimentary around.
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LeBron is like his basketball a***en is so high that he gets it like it's the classic thing of, and I'll fail to come up with an example.
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But if you have a really strong big and on a switch in the lane or when you need to, you know, drop off the assignment and you don't write a guard keeps fighting over and you end up having your.
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Now you're standing next to Anthony Davis and your your Rajon Rondo, and you're standing side by side with him as your butler hit the little baseline jumper. You go.
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Hey, man, you don't need to be here.
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You can stay at home.
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That's the whole point of having me.
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Very rarely are going to see LeBron James make that kind of mistake's right.
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He trust what the players are supposed to dio.
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And then this is, by the way, a side note, I will say in game, even in Game three and then going into game for LeBron James.
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Man does not hesitate to in game look at Player X and be like, What's your problem? Like he he is very particular and rightfully so about what his expectations are for his teammates.
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And he has no hesitation about being like, What are you doing over here? You're supposed to be there.
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And by the way, Kuzma and players with like have responded to that imposing and said, I get it like I think it was Christmas specifically.
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That said, I know I'm the young guy.
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I'm supposed to be in the corner spotting up and hitting these big threes and what? I'm not doing it the right way.
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LeBron is going to grill me. Also.
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He comes right back to me on the next possession.
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So that's that's the reward for taking your lumps and then responding as as you should being ready to take that next shot.
00:13:35
So, you know, Listen, you're you're getting coach up on the floor as well with LeBron James, for sure, And like, I mean, look like even if a d doesn't win this award, like I think, man look like playing next to LeBron and having this is gonna be so integral for his career.
00:13:49
I mean, think about where he was a year ago.
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This guy's on the pelicans with through holiday, and I don't even it was Meritage, I think merited.
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Just last year he got traded.
00:14:00
I don't even know who was on that team.
00:14:03
Like, I think Meritage before he got traded to the books.
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I mean, yeah, it just like I don't know, regardless of who wins.
00:14:12
I mean, I'm scared of this team again next year.
00:14:15
Open that That used to be.
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If you're the Lakers splitting hairs about who you want to win the ill so quickly that, uh, in the same way that if you're a pessimist around the n b a wanting the Lakers wanted LeBron to win his fourth title.
00:14:27
A couple of calls along the way.
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You feel like favor LeBron as it's the nature of the league.
00:14:33
But if that's your mindset, then you would assume that LeBron also wins the M v P.
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Because this is again your legacy building.
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Here. He wins another finals. M v p.
00:14:42
He wins his fourth title, right? Anthony Davis has a lot of time to start to win those.
00:14:46
But everything about this bubble in this year seem to be the LeBron James train of determination.
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Toe win it serve.
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Yeah, and it's It's I mean, I also think because it's a narrative award, you're gonna measure a little bit.
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What he did in the regular season two, which I don't know, is necessarily fair.
00:15:03
But I mean, look, it's a narrative award.
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He's the 35 year old doing things that just a 35 year old doesn't necessarily do in this league.
00:15:11
Uh, so I think because of that, that's gonna really help his case, and yeah, As you said, people are going to say, Oh, well, Anthony Davis has timeto win final's MVPs in the future, which I actually think you could.
00:15:23
I mean, depending upon how the Lakers how the Lakers work this year.
00:15:27
I mean, they're in great shape.
00:15:29
That was that.
00:15:31
They're in great state after after Game three of the big performance from Jimmy Butler.
00:15:35
I know it was some of things out there on Twitter, and social media were like, Hey, Jimmy Butler on track to maybe be M V P in a losing effort would, you know, just just for the fun of it, would it? Would it? Would it take a game? It would take Game seven, right, losing in Game seven and Jimmy Butler putting up borderline that same performance from Game three back to back five and six in order to even have consideration for that.
00:15:58
Yeah, I think it would.
00:15:59
And I just That's not the player that Jimmy Butler was like is or ever really has been like.
00:16:05
I was surprised when when the when he throws up a 40 point game in the finals, that's just that's not his game.
00:16:11
That's recipe to win by the way.
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I know they want that, but that's not their best recipes for success.
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So it's almost against the grain that he does that and they win the game.
00:16:19
More likely than not, he does that in losing efforts than in winning efforts.
00:16:22
Right, And like I just I don't know.
00:16:25
I mean, I am personally in the camp of like, I don't think I I don't want to give up on the heat But I don't know what their counter is in a lot of ways because it's just kind of like it's It has to be Jimmy Butler scoring 40.
00:16:38
It has to be.
00:16:39
And that's so not his game and his identity.
00:16:42
And I think it just brings him or basketball happiness to involve the guys around him, which honestly, has worked out really well.
00:16:50
Like look at the development of that team pretty much across the board because he makes an effort to involve everybody.
00:16:57
Um e I mean, they're just in such great shape and whatever they dio e.
00:17:03
I mean, really, I think what they're missing right now is a scoring guard.
00:17:07
That's it.
00:17:08
They're going to be fine.
00:17:09
They're going to be extremely fine.
00:17:11
Yeah, You replace the Jae Crowder piece along the way.
00:17:14
I mean, you look at that roster, that's all they're missing.
00:17:16
They just need somebody next to him that wants to score the ball.
00:17:20
So and I mean, look, there's a bunch of guys that might be on the horizon.
00:17:24
Brad Beal is a name that I think will be available in in a year.
00:17:29
Um, James Harden could be available.
00:17:32
I actually really like James Harden in Miami.
00:17:35
You know, by the way, because I was we were talking about before this and just getting some of the other interesting conversations and not Thio.
00:17:42
As I always fall into stats, I love stats.
00:17:45
Uh, when you touch on James Harden in terms of the that rapture rating, which is a great metric now, they got introduced.
00:17:52
Like I I failed to realize, and I I have to trust it now.
00:17:56
It doesn't mean that can't shrink in certain moments or turn it off and on.
00:17:58
But he's a plus two on the defensive end.
00:18:01
You already nobody does offensively for you.
00:18:03
So, like if you get that that level of offensive ability and also a low key defensive quality player next to a really high level defensive player and Butler like, That's great balance.
00:18:15
And when you talk about any of these combinations, I think, you know, realizing what each player it sells at the best and understand, like sometimes way we have this conversation yesterday.
00:18:27
Sometimes you look at teams and you go come into season across sports.
00:18:31
What we all we need to do is improve in these key areas, right? We need to get better in these things that we're not good at, as opposed to having the mentality of saying this is what we're really good at and that's what we're gonna focus on.
00:18:43
So the Houston Rockets are a great example.
00:18:45
Listen, we're a three point shooting team.
00:18:46
We're gonna go whole hog on that.
00:18:48
We're not gonna worry about it was too small or whatever.
00:18:50
Now there's a cap to how far you can take that, But we're not gonna try.
00:18:54
We're not gonna start saying, you know, what we need to Dio is play a lot bigger and we need to be tougher in the paint, and we need to really be a way to drive the ball more consistently on offense like, No, this is who we are.
00:19:04
We're gonna drive this train as long as we can.
00:19:06
So likewise for a team like the Miami Heat, listen were a defensive minded team.
00:19:11
If you could pair a player like James Harden next to Jimmy Buff's so well and it does the incredible thing for Jimmy Butler.
00:19:19
Like you said, keeping the team guy getting everybody involved and when you have and you could go back Thio his time.
00:19:26
His brief time in Philadelphia where, like it wasn't about him offensively at all.
00:19:29
Like you again, that facilitator role.
00:19:31
Like if Jimmy Butler is giving you 15 points a game and doing all the other little things and playing high level defense, that's great.
00:19:38
And Harden takes over a little bit of that scoring mentality.
00:19:41
So yeah, things like that are interesting about those little tweaks and how you pair up best you have and the rules you need to sell.
00:19:47
I also like that I'm going in with this trade.
00:19:51
I'm I think this is gonna be my tangent.
00:19:53
I'm going in with, um do we get there? I knew we get there.
00:19:58
I really liked the idea of him getting that heat conditioning.
00:20:05
I think that could change the course of his career.
00:20:08
And I think it could change his attitude and just being in that type of a culture where he's not just the star that everything revolves around and it's all about numbers.
00:20:18
Um, I like him Coming off dribble handoffs like that would be a kind of a nice thing.
00:20:24
I also kind of like that he's a bigger body because, yeah, you alluded to the to the defense of rapture rating.
00:20:32
Um, I think in a reduced role, because that's what happens when you come to Miami.
00:20:36
Your role actually reduces a little bit.
00:20:38
You have to remember he's 31 like he's not gonna be able to continue this level of ball like just dominating the ball like this and and this level of a workload.
00:20:48
So if you put him in a smaller role kind of similar to what Jimmy Butler did this year, Yeah, maybe you get a little more effort on defense.
00:20:57
You put him in a zone where he just has to worry about that one little area of the court.
00:21:02
He doesn't have to worry about trying trying to follow his guy around screens because that's where James Harden sucks.
00:21:09
He gets back cut twice.
00:21:11
A gay.
00:21:12
I mean, it's it's been his whole career, but if you have him simplify things for him a little bit shoot, you could put him in one of those corners and you could just have him be like in the Tyler hero Duncan Robinson role.
00:21:23
I don't know.
00:21:24
I mean, look like he's kind of exactly what they need.
00:21:27
And Brad Beal is a younger version of that.
00:21:28
But the point of all this is both these teams are in great shape.
00:21:33
Let me just say that that they're both in awesome shape.
00:21:36
I envy the heck out of both of these teams.
00:21:39
Both have a young players to build around, one a younger culture.
00:21:43
The other has Anthony Davis, which I don't know if there's an asset that's more like that.
00:21:48
You want Mawr in the league right now? Maybe other than like Luca, I think I'd rather have Davison the honest right now.
00:21:54
Yeah, well, yeah, and again, and that's that's the LeBron James effects, right? Like your opinion of Anthony Davis last year and where he was in his career and what he need, how he needs to assert himself more and be more willing to do different things, like, I think that that's That's the value of having a guy like that.
00:22:08
So not unlike you're talking about bringing hardened down to Miami and getting into that culture.
00:22:12
And how does that impact is approaching mentality? You're Anthony Davis.
00:22:15
You come to L.
00:22:16
A.
00:22:17
First of all, you know, long term, you're going to be the face of this franchise.
00:22:20
And over the short term, how much can you absorb? If you're the least bit intelligent, you're gonna look at LeBron James.
00:22:27
Go.
00:22:28
Okay, There has to be things that I could absorb from this guy over the next couple of seasons.
00:22:31
Uh, the couple of things that say down in Miami again, t maybe to further support your point if you brought in a guy like James Harden with that defensive ability and again in a reduced role, there's a couple of factors.
00:22:43
One you need to combine, uh, players around Jimmy Butler.
00:22:46
They're willing to take the criticism and willing to take that kind of mentality.
00:22:50
Guys like Karl Anthony towns didn't wanna do it.
00:22:52
Guys like Wiggins didn't wanna do it in Minnesota, right? So in a butting Heads and Jimmy Butler wants out, the further you get down.
00:22:57
Jimmy Butler's career is the more right that he looks for what happened in the past.
00:23:01
So is hardly gonna be receptive that I think so.
00:23:05
And that would introduce outside of Derrick Jones Jr.
00:23:08
Who hasn't been playing it all, you know, in these playoffs, that would only be the fourth guy that has a positive Rafter defensive rating for Miami.
00:23:17
So when you think about supplementing what you have there, it's auto Bio.
00:23:20
It's Butler, and then it would be a guy like Harden in there.
00:23:22
That's why I would look to him as opposed to a Bradley Beal, because, I don't know that's more offense for you, but it's not necessarily improving the defensive side of Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting to think about that.
00:23:32
And then the Lakers, you mentioned about both teams being in really good spots.
00:23:35
The only thing I'll say is the Lakers and I think they're smart enough to do this.
00:23:39
There.
00:23:40
They have to do.
00:23:41
They have to blend this thing of the Dwight Howard's JaVale McGee's.
00:23:45
Even the Rondo's right, like Caruso, is a nice piece to have on a roster.
00:23:48
You're still gonna have to figure out what happens over the next couple of seasons.
00:23:51
Even if LeBron keeps playing, you have to assume he's gonna come down to Earth a little bit.
00:23:56
How are you going to prepare to supplement that? Because even Danny Green right defensive a***en that's taken a knock at this stage of his career as well.
00:24:03
So they're they're supporting cast needs to evolve over the next couple of years.
00:24:07
Whereas Miami Hero Auto Bio, this is all surging in the right direction.
00:24:12
Short of having to rip place, maybe the veteran presence of the dragon.
00:24:14
Yeah, no, I mean I the Lakers thing.
00:24:20
I mean, I think that I have them is the favorites next year.
00:24:25
I just I don't know, the Nets like I don't know who would even challenge them.
00:24:30
Maybe the Bucks, like maybe the Bucks have something.
00:24:33
I still think they have a trade up their sleeves.
00:24:35
I think that's the team I'm watching for more than anybody.
00:24:38
It just feels like they're gonna have to make the desperation move.
00:24:40
Thio keep you honest there, So but right now I'm looking at the Lakers, and it's like, you know, we're all All we've done is talk about Oh, who are the Nets? Who are the Clippers? Who are all these teams? Who are the Rockets gonna grab with the M L E and the veteran minimums? Okay, the lakes are working within Emily, and they're also working with veteran minimums.
00:25:01
And they're not dealing with this Kwai Leonard thing this year where they're basically in a weird hold over because they're waiting to see what team he's choosing.
00:25:09
Like when free agents.
00:25:10
Well, really before.
00:25:11
Because everybody's temporary.
00:25:12
Uh, let's say months before free agency starts, they're gonna be getting a contact with guys.
00:25:18
Yeah, obviously we're talking Thio when you run the risk that we enter free agency and maybe all of a sudden find out that this guy doesn't want to come to the tour team like no Yeah, Andi, Like, right now that I mean, think about the PR that they've got right there, like, hey, we want a championship in heart.
00:25:38
Arguably, our best player is 27 might be the best player in the league so, Oh, by the way, we have one of the two greatest players ever.
00:25:46
I mean, they've got a great recruiting pitch right now, so you look at them and it's like there's no questions.
00:25:52
They have a great coach.
00:25:53
They have a great culture right now.
00:25:55
I mean, they're gonna be in the top of everybody's list and, uh, and and they could retool.
00:26:01
I think there's certain pieces that they probably want to keep their.
00:26:03
I would keep Rondo.
00:26:04
Why not like whatever? Like he's a oddly enough, like and again, it's not because I was deep diving on this or anything, but I always kinda.
00:26:14
I always liked Rondo.
00:26:15
Even he was getting older like I was like, I think he's.
00:26:18
I think he's a great player to have on your team. And he was.
00:26:21
He did knock him.
00:26:22
He's a little bit older.
00:26:23
He does, You know, he fades away during the season, sometimes whatever it may be.
00:26:26
But on the right roster, like he's not good on a bad team like he's not good down on the pelicans.
00:26:31
They have a shortstop there like No, that's not a great spot for him to be, but put him on a championship caliber team.
00:26:36
He knows what his role is.
00:26:37
He knows that the best serve the stars of the team like that.
00:26:40
Those are the small pieces that you need on rosters like this when you wanna win.
00:26:43
And I to your point I would bring I would bring him back.
00:26:46
You're gonna get Avery Bradley back if you wanna.
00:26:48
You know, that's that's a nice peace to get back onto this roster that immediately improved the next year and probably changes the complexion of this final Siri's.
00:26:55
It probably is a straight sweep, I would think if he's on this roster, that's how important he could be for them.
00:27:00
You know, when you think about any other teams you mentioned Milwaukee, you have to make a move here in order for me to look at you and say you could obviously get of the Eastern Conference and then challenge.
00:27:09
And then I guess the other mystery is the Brooklyn Nets, like, what does this team look like? Are they making any little tweaks? And even if they don't, they stand pat.
00:27:17
Just what do they look like throughout the season? And how does that match up start to create.
00:27:21
You look to the Finals, but even a team like Boston, as constitute, they're a really good team, and there's and they wouldn't be.
00:27:27
And they wouldn't be the Lakers, you know? Yeah, no, not even close.
00:27:30
So it's just that that's right now, like you said, as Faras odds on favorites, it's gonna be if anything is gonna be somebody from the West.
00:27:36
But even still, any of those teams that look great the Denver Nuggets or, you know, the Dallas Mavericks, I think is great.
00:27:43
Maybe the Dallas Mavericks are the most intriguing one. Health.
00:27:45
If they come back 100% healthy, then that team gets exciting and interesting, you know? But even then, Luka doesn't play.
00:27:52
He doesn't play great defense for all the size that he has, and that's something he has to change before you re examine that, Because again, if you're not gonna play defense at a high level by the time you get to the finals, you're gonna suffer there or the Western Conference finals.
00:28:03
They also have the I mean, I think, like I'm trying to think of, like basically construct the perfect team to beat the Lakers.
00:28:13
You have to have a stretch center, I think.
00:28:15
I think that's I think that's the move, because it takes Anthony Davis away from the rim.
00:28:20
Like if I've learned anything in these Finals, the best Heat performance we got was when Bam didn't play and they got and they bombed threes on them.
00:28:30
They had Kelly Olynyk basically in there and admire Third, who hit in early three, Um, and and and And they basically played five out, the entire the entire game.
00:28:41
And the Nuggets gave them a decent scare here and there.
00:28:43
Um, so I think that's what you have toe do is you have to space them out.
00:28:48
Essentially, I don't know.
00:28:50
That's the best I could do with trying to beat this Lakers roster, which, I mean, how many teams have that luxury? I guess the Nets with if they play Katy at the five.
00:29:01
But right, so that's the adjustment you're making.
00:29:04
Like if you're one of these teams, that has, if you're one of these teams that has basically a generational player like Kevin Durant support play down to the five because the sizes mitigated there against an Anthony Davis and then even if, as constituted right now against, um, Aguirre, Howard, Kevin Durant's gonna have a field day.
00:29:20
So that's a great mismatch that you forced back in the Lakers direction.
00:29:23
But if it's like a team like Milwaukee for all of their families, the last couple of years, like, that's the team that seems best set up to do it because you have, Yeah, that's a great point because he shoots the privilege Now.
00:29:37
The tricky part there is Brook Lopez isn't a, you know, drive the lane kind of guy.
00:29:43
So you're you're gonna live on the perimeter and then that makes it may be easier for Anthony Davis to say, Well, okay, I can approach you out there on the perimeter because you're not gonna blow past me. Necessarily.
00:29:53
Then the X factor, because it becomes honest like a zoo.
00:29:56
Great as he is.
00:29:57
And we talked.
00:29:58
We talked about this before, right? He has the game has to evolve for him, and it can, and it will.
00:30:02
But he has to be.
00:30:03
He's got to do it all.
00:30:04
You have to be able to a time when you take Lopez off the floor, stick him at the five and say, Okay, Anthony Davis, come out to me now.
00:30:12
Now that's the mismatch you want, staying in the same vein of a Kevin Durant.
00:30:15
But now I'm big enough.
00:30:16
I'm strong enough.
00:30:17
I can take you off the dribble and go in the basket.
00:30:19
Put Riel defensive pressure on you, and then you start to get the foul troubles in a seven game series and say, Yeah, we can create a real problem for you and say, Who else are you going to put out there on the honest? And so far, they've been able to switch to that zone defense and kind of muddle things for him.
00:30:33
And I'm just waiting for you, Honest to go.
00:30:35
Okay, yeah, I'm gonna not unlike what LeBron does, right, LeBron goes, Oh, that's your counter.
00:30:39
Great.
00:30:40
I'll take you off the dribble and I'll get to the group and I'm not as big as he is.
00:30:42
So that's the team.
00:30:43
I think that's still represents the biggest team.
00:30:45
And to your point, about what's the tweet that they make to the cluster to to switch it over? That's probably still as constituted.
00:30:51
That's that's the biggest challenge to the Lakers If they get to the final, they could make it out of the East.
00:30:56
Yeah.
00:30:57
I mean, that's the tricky part.
00:30:58
Like the East is, I think the self will obviously improve, literally leaning early.
00:31:02
That doesn't sound like a word.
00:31:03
How many years of e? I don't know, But we're gonna Yeah, I definitely never write articles, so we don't need to worry about me not having a good vocabulary.
00:31:18
Uh, I think, like for them, you don't have five, right? They don't have to.
00:31:25
Your point. I don't have to stretch five Thais.
00:31:27
That's not Yeah, I want out there against, you know, against the date.
00:31:30
They should bring Baines back.
00:31:32
I'll be the move, right? They bring in their veins back in their interesting.
00:31:35
No.
00:31:36
Let me ask you something, though.
00:31:37
Would Dwight Howard or a JaVale McGee? I don't even know that.
00:31:41
I don't know if they're they're on multiple.
00:31:43
Yeah, I think they're on one year stop there.
00:31:44
Or at least that's the end of a two year contract for McGee.
00:31:47
Are those bodies ones that other teams around the league, even maybe to a fault, will look at and say, Oh, if we could go get that big body.
00:31:55
That might be a great counter to the Lakers when we meet them, and almost to their own detriment, because think about using these guys on a roster with a D and LeBron.
00:32:05
I don't think travels back.
00:32:06
I think that Howard's gonna come back.
00:32:08
I don't know if anybody is gonna want anything to do with JaVale just because he didn't play really at all.
00:32:13
Yeah, like he just kinda, I don't know.
00:32:16
I feel like Howard presents the same advantages.
00:32:20
Is just a little bit taller, which, like that's that guy's very replaceable, like, I think they're gonna probably bring in a better center.
00:32:28
I mean that Z like, by the way, credit to Frank Vogel for leaning into that just being like, Hey, we're gonna do this and it's actually a really great strategy.
00:32:36
When everybody was like, You should play Anthony Davis, that's, you know, at center full time and it's like, No, this is actually sweet, like we can use that.
00:32:43
But night tonight, like we're gonna throw different things that you I think it's very interesting, so but yeah, I think that they have, I mean again, like they have a million moves that they could make Free agency class is just right with centers like so many backup centers, maybe league average starting centers.
00:33:02
And that's huge for them.
00:33:04
When you talk about you said about constructing the perfect team, so maybe Milwaukee is a nice baseline.
00:33:08
But just what would be at the guard positions? What are you looking for? Because again.
00:33:13
Now, if you have the honest type 45 then a Luca, you know, an oversized guard that doesn't really give you defensive presence is okay, but it still feels like you need a flex forward.
00:33:25
But you need to Jimmy Butler ish to be able to pick up LeBron for stretches, right? I mean, like, now.
00:33:31
And now what we're saying is, how do you wanna be? The Lakers will give me. Give me Jimmy Butler.
00:33:35
Give me, You know, you start listing some of the best players in the league, but at least guys in that mold and I think you can.
00:33:40
You can manufacture that non name brand guys and get to that point.
00:33:46
But how do you How do you How do you find those? Because it feels like it's like Miami like, develop this over the course of a season, and then you turn up here in the finals and it worked out.
00:33:55
I don't think you're gonna know that going into a year when you when you construct a roster.
00:33:59
Yeah.
00:34:00
I mean, I think that I'm really happy right up the bucks, because this I definitely did not.
00:34:04
I don't think I thought about them as I sort of thought about them is like, Okay, this is a team that could come out of the East.
00:34:11
But I didn't think about them.
00:34:12
Is probably the best counter for the Lakers because I think they are.
00:34:14
So you have.
00:34:16
If Bud e.
00:34:17
I mean, and this is just like, knock on wood.
00:34:19
Please do it, man.
00:34:21
Uh, if but actually uses you honest as a primary defender, which is the most obvious move in the league.
00:34:27
And he refuses to dio, and I will never, ever understand it.
00:34:32
I get it. He's a great free safety. Amazing.
00:34:34
Used him as a primary defender.
00:34:36
He's 7 ft tall.
00:34:37
He's probably the quickest seven footer in the league.
00:34:39
Like use him as a primary defender.
00:34:44
That kind of feels like the ideal guy for an Anthony Davis who could stand him up, has the strength.
00:34:51
You're moving down the line, Really, All they need is a scoring guard or just some just a little something in that position.
00:34:56
Because scoring guards, The one thing that the Lakers kind of allowed in certain situations especially saw that burry scoring guards were able to get there is a little bit well again.
00:35:07
Because so to tie back into Miami, right? It's like saying Butler be a primary defender and then on the offensive end, your maybe you fall into more of a facilitator and when necessary, take it over like I know it seems counterintuitive.
00:35:20
Say, Yanis, you know what you should do is like maybe score a little less right you go Jesus, No, no, no, He was a nightmare.
00:35:26
But if you put more energy on the defensive end, take on the best player.
00:35:31
Typically, most nights you're gonna get the best player on the other team, and if you can lock up or mitigate that guy, then facilitate.
00:35:37
You're still going to draw the attention of the defense and allow the other scores around you.
00:35:41
When you mentioned the guards it comes to mind.
00:35:43
I don't know why.
00:35:44
Because I just I love I love the guy.
00:35:45
That's why uh, Toronto ran this very tiny guards with, obviously with Van Fleet.
00:35:50
With Lowry their van fleet going to free, I assume that he goes back.
00:35:54
But to me, if you want a pivot in your the Bucks, throw a perimeter shooter, dog fighting defensive mentality guy in Van Fleet into that backcourt that could become a very nice compliment.
00:36:06
He can create his own shot from the perimeter on his own, let alone if you have Lopez and Johannes on the floor with him and he can kind, actually, just sit, maybe spot up on occasion from from deep.
00:36:14
I wonder if that's a a feasible option.
00:36:17
When you have that much size on your roster, having a smaller guard like that could actually work for you.
00:36:22
Yeah, I also think I think the thing for me is I also want a guy who's going to get you honest the ball and not just, like, give him the ball and let him isolate like a guy that's gonna use him in the pick and roll because I don't think they had that to that degree like, yeah, you could say, Bledsoe or George Hill.
00:36:39
George Hill doesn't really present the advantages of getting to the basket.
00:36:43
Eric Bledsoe.
00:36:44
You can sag off him and you, you know, drop both your defenders in the paint and you basically dare him to shoot.
00:36:50
Put two defenders on the honest That attacks neutralized pretty much instantly.
00:36:54
That's what I mean.
00:36:55
Their attack early became Middleton and Yannis, which is a great attack.
00:36:58
Problem is, is that it? It's all you've got kind of on offense when it gets when games get tight, you bring somebody else that funny.
00:37:05
You mentioned Toronto.
00:37:07
If, of course, things don't go the way that they maybe did this year, I don't hate Lowry for them at all.
00:37:14
Yeah.
00:37:15
I mean, everybody has been talking about Chris Paul for them, but kind of the same player.
00:37:20
Well, and the reason why I might even to that point, Michael with because he's a better defender than Christmas.
00:37:28
Yeah, that's the difference to me.
00:37:31
The difference between a Chris Paul is their love.
00:37:33
Chris Paul has a great mentality, obviously attacks.
00:37:36
He's a great facilitator, a very traditional point guard like you said, getting Yannis and all those good spots.
00:37:39
That's awesome.
00:37:40
But Kyle Lowry loves to get guys their good looks like he distributor.
00:37:44
First, he can pull up, and he's, uh, far and away a better defender than Chris Paul.
00:37:49
If I was gonna take a look at a veteran guy, Lowry, to me would make way more sense for the Bucks than a Chris Paul.
00:37:54
I think Chris Paul again.
00:37:56
Now the Bucks do have a lot of defensive depth on their roster, but I just think a za good as Chris Paul wasn't okay.
00:38:03
See, I think there's now we're still there's still the reason why even Okay, okay. Scenery, both.
00:38:08
Like, yeah, we wanna move off of this and you're talking about, like, the next Wanna bring them in? It's like, yeah, great.
00:38:12
A lot of low, lower level teams that research themselves bucks and win now mentality lower would be a really nice fit.
00:38:19
Yeah, and it might make sense for Toronto to to be keeping Van Fleet and unfortunately, allowing who has been the face of their franchise to move on.
00:38:25
And Larry and I think like also the bucks just need that that championship, something they need, somebody that knows what they're doing to a degree like it just really feels like you need you need.
00:38:39
Isn't Kyle Lowry the point guard version of Jimmy Butler in so many ways, where it's like he's not necessary? The guy that's gonna like it's surprising when he gets you 40 but he has.
00:38:50
He just does a little bit of everything, and it's just absolutely magnificent.
00:38:54
I mean, like, and that's not a guy where you're gonna have, you know, I'm not Chris Paul, like for everything that he does great.
00:39:02
He was the number one guy on that team.
00:39:05
Yeah, I don't know what that looks like.
00:39:07
There was a little bit of weirdness between him and hearted.
00:39:09
Maybe it was a personality clash, but Chris Paul has got a lot of pedigree to him.
00:39:13
Kyle Lowry has been a guy that really fits in nicely.
00:39:16
Is that number two guy, like really, really nicely makes a lot of sense to me.
00:39:20
You also don't have the concerns of Chris Paul being a smaller guard.
00:39:25
I always compared it to the Blake Griffin's situation where he has this amazing year.
00:39:30
He's an all NBA player next year. He comes back.
00:39:33
He's just banged up from the success of the year before.
00:39:37
Kind of wipes him out.
00:39:38
I'm very worried about that.
00:39:39
For Chris Paul? Yeah, As good as it looked this year for Paul, what I will say is, and even the playoffs and you kind of see this right? Kyle Lowry is known for taking those charges in the lane.
00:39:49
Let me take them.
00:39:50
I don't mean flopping for him.
00:39:52
I mean, this guy gets in position.
00:39:53
It takes hard hits and draws those fouls.
00:39:55
Chris Paul was drawing those fouls, but he was not getting in position and he was flopping for a lot of them, and that's okay, veteran moves.
00:40:03
But when you see that this year, next year, he's even maybe a little step slower and he's getting a little bit less and he's a little bit older and he's not getting the respect from the You know, those things shift very quickly, and all of a sudden Chris Paul looks very old and he's just getting blocking fouls a lot like that.
00:40:20
That's Ah, delicate trade off that you're talking about with Chris Paul versus A Kyle Lowry and all of a sudden, like you say now, I have a bit of a detriment on my roster.
00:40:28
It's not that he's gonna get points, but now I have a detriment as opposed.
00:40:32
It is adding to this, adding to this roster and adding, Ah, different dynamic to it.
00:40:36
So I think that Lowry is still at the Let's say, you know, last couple seasons of real prime play, whereas I think Paul in a hanging on mentality and again bucks are in championship win mode.
00:40:48
But I think you have to look at, like again.
00:40:50
A Chris Paul on the Lakers would make a ton of sense of the Guard position.
00:40:53
You know, he fits there.
00:40:54
He fits on different rosters better than he would specifically for, for what the Bucks need.
00:40:59
And when you have a guy like Yannis, that's why Larry again.
00:41:02
When you have a player like Yannis, who doesn't seem to want to be a dogfight guy, it's just not his nature.
00:41:06
That's what you That's how you supplement that. You say Okay, great.
00:41:09
Let Lowry be that vocal leader.
00:41:10
Let him die That digs his heels in on key possessions.
00:41:14
Key Serious? Yeah, they just They don't play with personality like it's really weird. When you get to the postseason.
00:41:19
They there this they just I don't know.
00:41:21
I think that's what they're missing.
00:41:22
Like it just It's a really weird cliche thing, but, like, again playoff there? Yeah.
00:41:29
Yeah, I think so. Right.
00:41:30
Hey, also makes sense is a number three.
00:41:32
So you have Johannes Larry Middleton.
00:41:35
Kind of in the same way.
00:41:36
I actually think Paul George probably makes a little more sense for this.
00:41:38
The number three, uh, which, you know, that's a different can of worms for a different day, but yeah, no, I think that would make a little bit more sense.
00:41:49
Is if you keep him, then the question I mean, what you I mean, if I was Milwaukee, I'm unloading the chest.
00:41:56
I'm saying, Here's a million picks, whatever.
00:41:59
If we lose our picks, we're not going to draft a Yanis in the next well, four or five years.
00:42:06
So if you have the chance to keep him, you're going to do that.
00:42:09
And that's why it's so confusing to me.
00:42:11
Like they were reportedly out on the Chris Paul thing.
00:42:13
And it's like, all right, that's fine.
00:42:15
But like, you're not even you're not gonna do due diligence on this.
00:42:19
You're not even gonna look into it.
00:42:20
I don't know.
00:42:21
I'm, like, look like I don't I wouldn't play my cards that way.
00:42:25
I would show that I'm willing to do anything for the star player because realistically, your Milwaukee, you're not going to get this again.
00:42:31
You're just not You're not like give up everything.
00:42:34
Donte DiVincenzo, Eric Bledsoe, Orson Ilyasova A bunch of picks.
00:42:39
Send it out.
00:42:40
Kyle Lowry done like it should be that easy.
00:42:43
Yeah, because short of like you say short of the other teams in the East, coming up short this upcoming year as as right.
00:42:52
As of right now, you look at the walking, you go.
00:42:54
You're a team.
00:42:55
You're a team in the East right now.
00:42:56
Maybe you better.
00:42:57
But you're just a team in the east so short of making a substantial move you're going to go into next year.
00:43:02
It's going to be hey a pickem when you get into the final Eastern Conference finals.
00:43:07
And I don't think that if you're Milwaukee with Johannes and understanding what's at stake for your franchise, I don't think you can come into the season like that.
00:43:13
You have to come in this season being like, Wow, you went and you got Lowry.
00:43:18
That really changed the dynamic of this team and it's come get us not Can we come out of this pack? So, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see, man.
00:43:25
And like even the even the Chris Paul thing, I may disagree with that being the right move for them.
00:43:29
But stopping yourself short of investigating it and seeing what's possible also seems like a like a mistaking that way, too.
00:43:35
Now they sat down, had a very long conversation with with Donna, So I'm assuming that he gave him, you know, they said, he said, Here's my list of guys that I'd like to see.
00:43:44
Here's what I like on the roster.
00:43:45
Here's what I don't like, including if it was saying I like Middleton, I don't love him.
00:43:49
Whatever the case may be, this is what I want to see.
00:43:51
This is what I need to see, and then you go and you do it, and that's how you that's how you keep you honest for the next four or five years and understanding that it was his choices that led to the success or failure, and that has to have.
00:44:01
But by the way, has to be on that on that block is Well, I'm surprised they kept him honestly.
00:44:06
Really? I thought it was it.
00:44:08
I couldn't believe it.
00:44:09
Let me ask you this.
00:44:10
When? When the When the clippers let Sorry Glenn Rivers go.
00:44:14
Uh, when? When? When Glenn hit the market.
00:44:18
The classic big name that you want to get when he when he came onto the market.
00:44:21
Do you think that the Bucks should have had a very quick internal ****ysis of Is there a benefit to jettisoning Bud and bringing in dock and the impact that he could have just from a It's Doc frickin Rivers like that ahead.
00:44:34
Even if you stood pat with the roster.
00:44:37
Yeah, I would make the case that Doc Rivers alone would change what the results are for your team.
00:44:41
You know what I always I always like to Mike D'Antoni for them.
00:44:45
I just I think that they they're so used.
00:44:48
Xcacel run, Run those legs, boy, like they're so predictable in the half court.
00:44:55
And look, he's not a good adjuster, either.
00:44:57
I mean, you saw you kind of running into that.
00:44:59
We saw this. That's not fair.
00:45:00
Actually, he's been good in certain years.
00:45:01
This year he was not good.
00:45:02
Um, but you you put that like this group of guys in a different offense.
00:45:09
I think it looks a lot different.
00:45:10
Yeah, I dio I'm in the I just don't think buds.
00:45:14
For all the greatness that he has in the regular season, he plays the ****ytics game.
00:45:18
It's just it's not the same, like the regular season in the playoffs have never been more different.
00:45:23
They just have it.
00:45:24
And it's like you had a whole year to think about, Okay, we ran into this problem.
00:45:31
They pack the paint on Yannis and you didn't have a single counter.
00:45:34
You didn't have one.
00:45:35
You didn't work on anything and that, and that's that idea of, you know, I always liked Vogel.
00:45:40
I don't know, but I've gone even higher on vocal because what he's done, he's great.
00:45:46
He's such a good adjuster and you don't and you don't like that.
00:45:50
You know, on the Pacers, maybe you don't realize it and then we come to the Lakers, you go.
00:45:53
Oh, like this is where your coaching really shines through Something on your Spoelstra blood.
00:45:57
You go Well, you were in Chicago maybe getting mawr out of a cast of characters or you don't have traditional superstars, etcetera.
00:46:03
You Finally you make your way to Milwaukee and you go, Oh, look, now you have all the pieces.
00:46:07
Now you can do whatever you want.
00:46:09
Whatever adjustments you wanna make it, there's no excuse to not be able to have a game plan.
00:46:12
However you wanna look forced it on the other team.
00:46:14
And when you don't, you go.
00:46:15
Oh, so you're just kinda You're just kind of going by the book and unionists go get go get me 30. Go get me 35.
00:46:22
Like shoot the Perimeter three is like, Let's go ahead and let the recipe for success play itself out.
00:46:25
So you don't know that until it happens.
00:46:27
And unfortunately you're you're seeing that play out.
00:46:29
Maybe in Milwaukee and it will be there's still time.
00:46:32
There's still time for them to pivot and make a change, but it doesn't look like that's gonna be the case.
00:46:35
I don't think, you know, and I think again, be to the detriment in this upcoming season.
00:46:40
I think you're another year away before they make a coaching change.
00:46:42
And then that's the big impact that comes for you, honest in that cast.
00:46:46
But, I mean, he's what, a free agent next summer, right? Yeah.
00:46:51
So this was the year to do it.
00:46:53
I couldn't believe it. I really couldn't.
00:46:55
Um, yeah, It's one of those things I'm gonna just if things play out.
00:47:01
I mean, the best thing for them is if they start off like five and seven or something like that, or or really just look wrong and it seems like they're unprepared.
00:47:14
I don't know what that means.
00:47:15
You're working with a thinned out market.
00:47:16
That's the problem is you're working with a market of coaches that, like you just you could have had this summer, and you're now working with whatever's left, so I don't know.
00:47:26
I mean, yeah, I don't know, I I kind of see where this is going for the bucks, but it's frustrating because you know what they could be and what they could do to improve.
00:47:36
And it's just it's a very obvious route for me and I don't think they're gonna go that way going for the bucks.
00:47:41
And it's Yanis going to another team, you know? He's gonna he's gonna play it out.
00:47:46
He's gonna say, Just show me Yeah, This season, just show me, Show me that we could do it.
00:47:50
Put whatever it is, right? Like I'm not here to tell you what has to happen on the roster.
00:47:54
You need to know, right? The GM needs to make the right choices and family with the right caste. This is your chance.
00:47:59
And if you show me enough, if we're in the finals next year and I'm doing what I need to do and I don't show up small in a serious I think that's probably only caveat is, if John it doesn't take over games as he needs to late play.
00:48:08
Yeah, if we're not in the finals next year on the Milwaukee Bucks, short of having a seven game deep, everything went right for you in the East and you come up short against three Brooklyn Nets, you know, short of that, though, it's going Yannis is going to leave short of it being Hey, we just got beat by the better team.
00:48:26
We did everything right, the players, the role.
00:48:28
Everything was right for us and we came up short.
00:48:30
We can run it back again.
00:48:31
Short of that, he's gone next year.
00:48:33
He's also got it.
00:48:34
Like for him.
00:48:35
He's gotta watch that.
00:48:36
Some of the tape on Jimmy Butler, this playoffs.
00:48:37
Who refuses to shoot threes? Yep.
00:48:40
Watch that man do things because that guy, like they were, it was impressive in Game four of this Lakers Siri's that, by the way, we were talking about 30 minutes ago.
00:48:50
This is, uh, three.
00:48:53
Yeah, he started.
00:48:57
So they basically put Anthony Davis on him.
00:48:59
He had no counter for the third quarter.
00:49:02
He started working as, like a roll man.
00:49:04
So when they play Anthony Davis really high, he would slip the screens like you, Honest has got a I don't want to take all the blame and put it on the bucks, and and but yeah, I just had no counters either.
00:49:16
Like he's got to figure out different ways.
00:49:18
Like watch them Jimmy Butler tape watch a guy that doesn't shoot threes.
00:49:22
And it doesn't just completely limit his game like he's got to figure out a way to not just be brute force over and over and over and over that cannot be or move.
00:49:30
You can't say, Oh, well, if you get me the ball at the free throw line, at least I'm not the three.
00:49:36
And I could do my whatever euro step thing.
00:49:38
It's like You gotta have a little bit of finesse to your game right now because I it's not It's not.
00:49:42
There s defense gets better in the playoffs thing.
00:49:44
Yeah, it's like the lane gets more congested in the playoffs and you have to know that you have to be.
00:49:49
You have to be ready for that.
00:49:50
We're talking about the way LeBron James, right on a game to game. Seriously.
00:49:54
Here you go. Okay, this is what required.
00:49:55
I mean, this is the matchup watching make the adjustments.
00:49:57
That's just listen. It's the growth.
00:49:59
But, you know, 25 now will be 26 next year, like, yeah, by the way, you play the heat again.
00:50:04
I'm picking the heat in five band that you're better like rosters.
00:50:08
Like, straight across.
00:50:09
Great. They get better either.
00:50:11
Hero, You're better.
00:50:12
Great. Wonderful.
00:50:13
I'm picking the heat easy because if you guys come out that way like it's not even a question.
00:50:17
So, yeah, get my kind of reminds me of, like, the Utah Jazz running into the Rockets every single year and just being like, we don't have anything for this, like, that's a really bad matchup for them. Yeah.
00:50:29
All right, let's close this out.
00:50:31
We will be back.
00:50:33
Are you Are you on tomorrow with this, or are you on Monday? I know you're on Monday with Keith. Yeah.
00:50:40
There we go.
00:50:41
Yeah, maybe we'll be talking about tied up and going todo Wouldn't that be great, e.
00:50:48
I'll start to get into the offseason speculation.
00:50:51
Good stuff.
00:50:52
You have anything this weekend? Any streams that we should know about.
00:50:55
Listen, I'm doing a little more than its coverage, obviously.
00:50:58
So that'll be something that maybe over the weekend and then on the NFL side of things, I'll be doing the Thursday night preview Friday morning, wrap up for the Thursday night game if you're in the NFL.
00:51:07
So look me up, man.
00:51:08
Adam are break here on SportsCastr.
00:51:10
I'm doing it.
00:51:11
There you go.
00:51:13
You could I mean, you're already on here, but you could find me back slash Matt Brooks.
00:51:18
Everything is there? I'll have a couple of things coming up.
00:51:22
I don't have anything too crazy Plan.
00:51:23
Gotta, Gotta Lakers Guy coming on, I think.
00:51:26
Monday, But so we'll see what type of move that is.
00:51:28
I don't know.
00:51:29
It's gonna be celebratory or panicked.
00:51:30
We'll see what that's gonna be like.
00:51:32
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00:51:34
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00:51:38
I don't know how many nets sands air on this website, but if you are doing yeah, if you are, I'm gonna be doing a little bit of a name.
00:51:46
A today.
00:51:47
Just taken any questions, doing trade stuff.
00:51:50
Probably because that's all that really want to talk about.
00:51:53
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00:52:00
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00:52:04
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00:52:07
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00:52:09
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Scottie Pippen picks ‘clear choice’ MVP between LeBron James, Anthony Davis if LA wins Finals

Should the Los Angeles Lakers win the NBA Finals. NBA legend Scottie Pippen has a “clear choice” on who should win Finals MVP between LeBron James and Anthony Davis. Speaking to Rachel Nichols on ESPN’s The Jump, Pippen explained why in his mind, LeBron is the easy pick to win the award: Scottie Pippen on […]

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Alright.
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This timer is always always plays with my emotions a little bit, but on.
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Come on.
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Alright, everybody, welcome back to SportsCastr News.
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This is of course, your host, Matt Brooks.
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I apologize for the changing.
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Like I think we're going through a couple of clouds right here in my room.
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Um, yeah, very dramatic.
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Today I am here with Adam Rx. Of course.
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My co host.
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How are you doing today? Enjoy the day off.
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We've had two little days off here between these finals games.
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Yeah, listen, as much as it's nice to get a couple days off, I also have to realize that this is the end of it.
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All right? There's only there's maybe a gentleman coming.
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Maybe only a couple more games.
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So as much as I like it, I'm also fearful about needing to move on from this.
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And as we were saying, start engaging in speculation content, which is everything to Dio.
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Oh, yeah, I love love.
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You know what I love is going on Twitter or or read it and just seeing the entire feed full of fake trades from trade, eh? NBA dot com Love it.
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I I can't get enough of it? No, in all seriousness.
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Um, yeah, this is It's actually kind of started to feel a little bit like the off season, which is good.
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Yesterday was the first day I was actually like, really kind of willing to engage in it.
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I've just enjoyed these playoffs so much so I think, first off, like I want to do a little bit of finals M v p talk because I think it's a discussion that I kind of wrote off yesterday, very snarky.
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Just Oh, it's it's I'll explain my pick in just a second, but I've kind of had some time to think about it, and I'm kind of walking it back a little bit.
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And then we're also going to do a little bit of of what the next year should look like.
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But let's first talk about this finals.
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M v P pick.
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So who first off? Who do you have right now as the finals? M v P.
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My initial take was LeBron James.
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It was, it felt like, and it's the raw it's the wrong pick.
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It felt like the right thing when you go back to the game where they they lose Game three and you look at his performance there and you track him through and you say Wow, really consistent triple double, almost here and there, Whatever.
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Then I take a step back and you go back to games one and two.
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You look at Anthony Davis and what he did in those games, and then I combine it with the thought of Guess what.
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The game that they lose is the game where Anthony Davis has foul trouble, the game where he didn't have a good performance.
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Now you can knock him for that on an individual level.
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But in terms of impact on the Siri's impact on him being successful or not, that's the needle mover in this.
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If he's not playing well, if he doesn't have good games, then I think that makes it far more likely that the Heat can steal games as opposed to the other way around.
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LeBron could have a by a statistical, you know, perspective, a small game, and they could still very easily win against the heat.
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Interesting.
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I actually I've actually never heard that argument used like that.
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Like usually you look at that as Oh, if a guy has a bad game.
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That kind of knocks him out of the conversation.
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So you look back at 2018.
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I want to say it was game to for maybe Game three for Curry, one of those games where he just put up an absolute breakfast and couldn't really make anything against the Cavaliers defense That was not good at all, like not good at all.
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And and it kind of knocked him out of the M V P running, even though I personally think he should have wanted Kevin Durant, of course, walks away with that award, so I've never heard it used like that.
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I think the other thing that's kind of interesting about that.
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Game three is like, statistically, LeBron like if you look at the raw numbers, he was really good.
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But it was everything else that he wasn't doing well, so I had a lot of turnovers.
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He was, I thought, really bad, like just bad defensively.
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So it was kind of funny like, I mean, this kind of shows you the greatness of this Lakers team that their two best players have just terrible games and it requires the heat to have this ridiculous Jimmy Butler game that you get one out of every 10 playoff games.
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Eso eso I know it's kind of hard for me to pick, but, um, I'll say this.
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I had Anthony Davis.
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I was pretty pretty stern about that yesterday.
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I, you know, you just look at kind of how the Lakers play and with this defensive integrity, and it's just their complete identity.
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And you see that in Game four.
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The big adjustment is moving Anthony Davis onto Jimmy Butler, who, by the way, started off really well in that first quarter.
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And it just seemed like a big, pivotal milestone moment in this Siri's.
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And it was like, Okay, this is done.
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We're going.
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It's off season time like this zone After Game three, it's done, and for me, that really resonated with me.
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However, in the last 24 hours, I've read some things.
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I've listened to some things.
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I've read a couple articles on the athletic.
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I believe it was chaired Weiss of the athletic, who did some stuff on LeBron thought this might not be the right article, but go over the athletic and read it Anyways, They've got great stuff over there um, kind of talking about some of the things that he was doing and the counters that he had to the Miami defense.
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You know, he was splitting defense when they tried toe hedge and send two defenders at him, which I thought was creative and also impressive that he could do that in 35 years old.
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Um, he, you know, and he took control of the game.
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He kind of managed his minutes in a way.
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That Nick nurse on the Zach Lowe podcast with with Brian Wind horse.
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Um, they were kind of talking about how he was sort of gay managing throughout the game and was taking those deep threes in the third quarter to save up for that fourth quarter run.
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So it kind of made me appreciate a little bit of what LeBron did.
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Like we take the LeBron scoring thing for granted.
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We do but think about how many playoff games they've had now what this is that's 14 games for them that they've had in the bubble, playing every two.
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Well, maybe not every two games, because they finished a little early, but their games have come in succession with one another So he's coming out night after night after night and he's still got this extra gear.
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He's able to basically load managing game.
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I don't know.
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It made me appreciate him a little bit. I thought it was.
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I think if he wins, I feel a little better about it.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess it's tricky because I think your point about the first point about LeBron James and looking past the scoring right, that zoos to be a really easy thing to Dio and everyone falls prey to that.
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I'm going like, Well, of course, he's going to get you 20 to 25 points a game like it's the assumption that he gets you 20 to 25 points a game, and then you start to go into some of the other details.
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So, you know, I guess from a M V P standpoint, consistency obviously plays a factor, and then you're talking about his adjustments toe what Miami into what Spoelstra are trying to do to him defensively, I guess the flip side of it, if I was going to and I it's really hard to argue if you say LeBron James is the envy, you know it's hard to push back on it.
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Thea other thing is, and it's not something that I know well enough to articulator to explain what's occurring in game.
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But what Anthony Davis forces the Miami Heat to do on the offensive end the fact that if you shift him that if you ship them into the five or you pull them down to the floor, the fact that you can defend multiple positions now all of a sudden you're saying Well, if it mitigates Jimmy Butler, that all of a sudden puts more pressure on Tyler hero to be more successful consistently from the perimeter.
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And it's not like you can ask him to necessarily take over a game.
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Or Robinson, who had a relatively good performance in game number for game number.
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Yeah, game number four there but still came up on the short end of it.
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So I and then you even think about the bad game that Davis has in game number three, and we talked.
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I talked about this with with Doug on WGN yesterday where if you're thinking about four blocks in game number in game number four for Anthony Davis, that's the staff that also jumps off the page right, four blocks, guys having a monster game.
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It doesn't mean that in a game where the stat line isn't there, that he's still not impacting it.
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Because if you're forcing Jimmy Butler say, I'm not going to drive the lane here or here or any of these players.
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If I'm not gonna go on attacking the basket because of the presence of Anthony Davis, then I'm going a different way.
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I'm moving off the option number two offensively.
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Likewise, we talk about switches or high screens.
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If Anthony Davis is showing the athleticism and ability to switch off and pick up the four or stay with the five, it forces again.
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Another adjustment now.
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To be fair, it's not to say that LeBron James doesn't force those same issues for you.
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So you know, I want to feel like there's a little bit of a coin flip here in terms of the direction you want to go picking one of the other, and I don't know if it should or shouldn't be a factor that LeBron James is 35 years old and doing what he's doing.
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Maybe it should be like maybe it should be accounted for that he's still able to do this at a high level in the finals when it matters most.
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And the knock off does he quote takeoffs, UM, minutes or manage himself through games.
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You can list it as a knock.
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But to your point, if you you know yourself so well that you can control yourself through three quarters to be able to turn it on into a different gear and attack in a different way in the fourth quarter has to be has to resonate in terms of M V P conversation.
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So I don't know, maybe I'm talking myself out of that of Anthony Davis.
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No, it's a very pendulum swing for me and maybe this game.
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By the way, if it's going to be a gentleman sweep and they're going toe win tomorrow night, maybe whoever has the bigger performance in that could be.
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That could be the determining factor in M v P.
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You can also make the case if you want to.
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That Anthony Davis hit that Big three in game number four.
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That essentially was the final blow they have for Miami to solidify that victory as well.
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So It's like, you know, if you wanna go by one shot, do you wanna go by totality of performance? It's You can't have two of the top four players in the league on the same team when you're talking about the oh, yeah, this is.
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It's always so tricky doing this because I never know where to go.
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Anthony Davis is also really hard to measure, like he's really, because it is like, What are you doing? Block steals like, if I'm I'll be honest like he was probably the better player in this series.
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Like E.
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Don't think it was particularly close between him and LeBron because of what he did defensively.
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Like their entire, uh, the heats entire offense.
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This, like dribble handoff offense was neutralized because the Lakers guards were able to play so aggressive on that because they knew they had Anthony Davis behind them.
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They knew.
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It's like the ultimate confidence booster.
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I mean, bam, out of bio we're talking about this guy like this is the next big thing out of, you know, coming out of the Eastern Conference next, Anthony Davis coming out of the East like we I mean look like he had some nice plays in Game four.
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We barely heard a peep in the Siri's and I know he's injured, but I mean, still like in the game for where I really felt like he was gonna have a big energy boost and it looks like it.
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He was quickly out of that game and it's just like that's not his.
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That's not his fault at all.
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Like he's a young, he's 23.
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I mean, he has so much time to figure it out, and I again I think he's gonna able to shoot in the next two years, so he's gonna be fantastic.
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But it just shows you like the progress that Anthony Davis has made.
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I mean, he is a case that he's the best player in the league right now right now, because of what he does offensively, in combination with that defensive, just all around, I don't know.
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I mean, he's he's like If I'm Garnett had better teammates like, I think that's what we're looking at with Davis.
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They're not the exact same player, but that defensive vs ality is ridiculous and I guess if I wanted to as far as M V. P.
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conversations go.
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If I wanna put an extra feather in Davis cap, it's that what he's you mentioned.
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His defensive presence is what allows LeBron James to choose how he wants to approach things on the on the defensive end of the floor.
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You know, it's it's the safety valve like you say if you have a Kevin Garnett behind you, when you have a Yanis on your roster, right, like you get to do things differently when you you have a big body there that's anchoring your defense again, and I don't know if it doesn't mean you take it away from LeBron because of that, you know, like, listen, I'm also smart enough to utilize Anthony Davis in that way.
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Like general MBA terms and why it's always so complimentary around.
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LeBron is like his basketball a***en is so high that he gets it like it's the classic thing of, and I'll fail to come up with an example.
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But if you have a really strong big and on a switch in the lane or when you need to, you know, drop off the assignment and you don't write a guard keeps fighting over and you end up having your.
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Now you're standing next to Anthony Davis and your your Rajon Rondo, and you're standing side by side with him as your butler hit the little baseline jumper. You go.
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Hey, man, you don't need to be here.
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You can stay at home.
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That's the whole point of having me.
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Very rarely are going to see LeBron James make that kind of mistake's right.
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He trust what the players are supposed to dio.
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And then this is, by the way, a side note, I will say in game, even in Game three and then going into game for LeBron James.
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Man does not hesitate to in game look at Player X and be like, What's your problem? Like he he is very particular and rightfully so about what his expectations are for his teammates.
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And he has no hesitation about being like, What are you doing over here? You're supposed to be there.
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And by the way, Kuzma and players with like have responded to that imposing and said, I get it like I think it was Christmas specifically.
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That said, I know I'm the young guy.
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I'm supposed to be in the corner spotting up and hitting these big threes and what? I'm not doing it the right way.
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LeBron is going to grill me. Also.
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He comes right back to me on the next possession.
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So that's that's the reward for taking your lumps and then responding as as you should being ready to take that next shot.
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So, you know, Listen, you're you're getting coach up on the floor as well with LeBron James, for sure, And like, I mean, look like even if a d doesn't win this award, like I think, man look like playing next to LeBron and having this is gonna be so integral for his career.
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I mean, think about where he was a year ago.
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This guy's on the pelicans with through holiday, and I don't even it was Meritage, I think merited.
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Just last year he got traded.
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I don't even know who was on that team.
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Like, I think Meritage before he got traded to the books.
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I mean, yeah, it just like I don't know, regardless of who wins.
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I mean, I'm scared of this team again next year.
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Open that That used to be.
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If you're the Lakers splitting hairs about who you want to win the ill so quickly that, uh, in the same way that if you're a pessimist around the n b a wanting the Lakers wanted LeBron to win his fourth title.
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A couple of calls along the way.
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You feel like favor LeBron as it's the nature of the league.
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But if that's your mindset, then you would assume that LeBron also wins the M v P.
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Because this is again your legacy building.
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Here. He wins another finals. M v p.
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He wins his fourth title, right? Anthony Davis has a lot of time to start to win those.
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But everything about this bubble in this year seem to be the LeBron James train of determination.
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Toe win it serve.
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Yeah, and it's It's I mean, I also think because it's a narrative award, you're gonna measure a little bit.
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What he did in the regular season two, which I don't know, is necessarily fair.
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But I mean, look, it's a narrative award.
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He's the 35 year old doing things that just a 35 year old doesn't necessarily do in this league.
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Uh, so I think because of that, that's gonna really help his case, and yeah, As you said, people are going to say, Oh, well, Anthony Davis has timeto win final's MVPs in the future, which I actually think you could.
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I mean, depending upon how the Lakers how the Lakers work this year.
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I mean, they're in great shape.
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That was that.
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They're in great state after after Game three of the big performance from Jimmy Butler.
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I know it was some of things out there on Twitter, and social media were like, Hey, Jimmy Butler on track to maybe be M V P in a losing effort would, you know, just just for the fun of it, would it? Would it? Would it take a game? It would take Game seven, right, losing in Game seven and Jimmy Butler putting up borderline that same performance from Game three back to back five and six in order to even have consideration for that.
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Yeah, I think it would.
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And I just That's not the player that Jimmy Butler was like is or ever really has been like.
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I was surprised when when the when he throws up a 40 point game in the finals, that's just that's not his game.
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That's recipe to win by the way.
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I know they want that, but that's not their best recipes for success.
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So it's almost against the grain that he does that and they win the game.
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More likely than not, he does that in losing efforts than in winning efforts.
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Right, And like I just I don't know.
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I mean, I am personally in the camp of like, I don't think I I don't want to give up on the heat But I don't know what their counter is in a lot of ways because it's just kind of like it's It has to be Jimmy Butler scoring 40.
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It has to be.
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And that's so not his game and his identity.
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And I think it just brings him or basketball happiness to involve the guys around him, which honestly, has worked out really well.
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Like look at the development of that team pretty much across the board because he makes an effort to involve everybody.
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Um e I mean, they're just in such great shape and whatever they dio e.
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I mean, really, I think what they're missing right now is a scoring guard.
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That's it.
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They're going to be fine.
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They're going to be extremely fine.
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Yeah, You replace the Jae Crowder piece along the way.
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I mean, you look at that roster, that's all they're missing.
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They just need somebody next to him that wants to score the ball.
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So and I mean, look, there's a bunch of guys that might be on the horizon.
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Brad Beal is a name that I think will be available in in a year.
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Um, James Harden could be available.
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I actually really like James Harden in Miami.
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You know, by the way, because I was we were talking about before this and just getting some of the other interesting conversations and not Thio.
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As I always fall into stats, I love stats.
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Uh, when you touch on James Harden in terms of the that rapture rating, which is a great metric now, they got introduced.
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Like I I failed to realize, and I I have to trust it now.
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It doesn't mean that can't shrink in certain moments or turn it off and on.
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But he's a plus two on the defensive end.
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You already nobody does offensively for you.
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So, like if you get that that level of offensive ability and also a low key defensive quality player next to a really high level defensive player and Butler like, That's great balance.
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And when you talk about any of these combinations, I think, you know, realizing what each player it sells at the best and understand, like sometimes way we have this conversation yesterday.
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Sometimes you look at teams and you go come into season across sports.
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What we all we need to do is improve in these key areas, right? We need to get better in these things that we're not good at, as opposed to having the mentality of saying this is what we're really good at and that's what we're gonna focus on.
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So the Houston Rockets are a great example.
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Listen, we're a three point shooting team.
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We're gonna go whole hog on that.
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We're not gonna worry about it was too small or whatever.
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Now there's a cap to how far you can take that, But we're not gonna try.
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We're not gonna start saying, you know, what we need to Dio is play a lot bigger and we need to be tougher in the paint, and we need to really be a way to drive the ball more consistently on offense like, No, this is who we are.
00:19:04
We're gonna drive this train as long as we can.
00:19:06
So likewise for a team like the Miami Heat, listen were a defensive minded team.
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If you could pair a player like James Harden next to Jimmy Buff's so well and it does the incredible thing for Jimmy Butler.
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Like you said, keeping the team guy getting everybody involved and when you have and you could go back Thio his time.
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His brief time in Philadelphia where, like it wasn't about him offensively at all.
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Like you again, that facilitator role.
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Like if Jimmy Butler is giving you 15 points a game and doing all the other little things and playing high level defense, that's great.
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And Harden takes over a little bit of that scoring mentality.
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So yeah, things like that are interesting about those little tweaks and how you pair up best you have and the rules you need to sell.
00:19:47
I also like that I'm going in with this trade.
00:19:51
I'm I think this is gonna be my tangent.
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I'm going in with, um do we get there? I knew we get there.
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I really liked the idea of him getting that heat conditioning.
00:20:05
I think that could change the course of his career.
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And I think it could change his attitude and just being in that type of a culture where he's not just the star that everything revolves around and it's all about numbers.
00:20:18
Um, I like him Coming off dribble handoffs like that would be a kind of a nice thing.
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I also kind of like that he's a bigger body because, yeah, you alluded to the to the defense of rapture rating.
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Um, I think in a reduced role, because that's what happens when you come to Miami.
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Your role actually reduces a little bit.
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You have to remember he's 31 like he's not gonna be able to continue this level of ball like just dominating the ball like this and and this level of a workload.
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So if you put him in a smaller role kind of similar to what Jimmy Butler did this year, Yeah, maybe you get a little more effort on defense.
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You put him in a zone where he just has to worry about that one little area of the court.
00:21:02
He doesn't have to worry about trying trying to follow his guy around screens because that's where James Harden sucks.
00:21:09
He gets back cut twice.
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A gay.
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I mean, it's it's been his whole career, but if you have him simplify things for him a little bit shoot, you could put him in one of those corners and you could just have him be like in the Tyler hero Duncan Robinson role.
00:21:23
I don't know.
00:21:24
I mean, look like he's kind of exactly what they need.
00:21:27
And Brad Beal is a younger version of that.
00:21:28
But the point of all this is both these teams are in great shape.
00:21:33
Let me just say that that they're both in awesome shape.
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I envy the heck out of both of these teams.
00:21:39
Both have a young players to build around, one a younger culture.
00:21:43
The other has Anthony Davis, which I don't know if there's an asset that's more like that.
00:21:48
You want Mawr in the league right now? Maybe other than like Luca, I think I'd rather have Davison the honest right now.
00:21:54
Yeah, well, yeah, and again, and that's that's the LeBron James effects, right? Like your opinion of Anthony Davis last year and where he was in his career and what he need, how he needs to assert himself more and be more willing to do different things, like, I think that that's That's the value of having a guy like that.
00:22:08
So not unlike you're talking about bringing hardened down to Miami and getting into that culture.
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And how does that impact is approaching mentality? You're Anthony Davis.
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You come to L.
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A.
00:22:17
First of all, you know, long term, you're going to be the face of this franchise.
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And over the short term, how much can you absorb? If you're the least bit intelligent, you're gonna look at LeBron James.
00:22:27
Go.
00:22:28
Okay, There has to be things that I could absorb from this guy over the next couple of seasons.
00:22:31
Uh, the couple of things that say down in Miami again, t maybe to further support your point if you brought in a guy like James Harden with that defensive ability and again in a reduced role, there's a couple of factors.
00:22:43
One you need to combine, uh, players around Jimmy Butler.
00:22:46
They're willing to take the criticism and willing to take that kind of mentality.
00:22:50
Guys like Karl Anthony towns didn't wanna do it.
00:22:52
Guys like Wiggins didn't wanna do it in Minnesota, right? So in a butting Heads and Jimmy Butler wants out, the further you get down.
00:22:57
Jimmy Butler's career is the more right that he looks for what happened in the past.
00:23:01
So is hardly gonna be receptive that I think so.
00:23:05
And that would introduce outside of Derrick Jones Jr.
00:23:08
Who hasn't been playing it all, you know, in these playoffs, that would only be the fourth guy that has a positive Rafter defensive rating for Miami.
00:23:17
So when you think about supplementing what you have there, it's auto Bio.
00:23:20
It's Butler, and then it would be a guy like Harden in there.
00:23:22
That's why I would look to him as opposed to a Bradley Beal, because, I don't know that's more offense for you, but it's not necessarily improving the defensive side of Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting to think about that.
00:23:32
And then the Lakers, you mentioned about both teams being in really good spots.
00:23:35
The only thing I'll say is the Lakers and I think they're smart enough to do this.
00:23:39
There.
00:23:40
They have to do.
00:23:41
They have to blend this thing of the Dwight Howard's JaVale McGee's.
00:23:45
Even the Rondo's right, like Caruso, is a nice piece to have on a roster.
00:23:48
You're still gonna have to figure out what happens over the next couple of seasons.
00:23:51
Even if LeBron keeps playing, you have to assume he's gonna come down to Earth a little bit.
00:23:56
How are you going to prepare to supplement that? Because even Danny Green right defensive a***en that's taken a knock at this stage of his career as well.
00:24:03
So they're they're supporting cast needs to evolve over the next couple of years.
00:24:07
Whereas Miami Hero Auto Bio, this is all surging in the right direction.
00:24:12
Short of having to rip place, maybe the veteran presence of the dragon.
00:24:14
Yeah, no, I mean I the Lakers thing.
00:24:20
I mean, I think that I have them is the favorites next year.
00:24:25
I just I don't know, the Nets like I don't know who would even challenge them.
00:24:30
Maybe the Bucks, like maybe the Bucks have something.
00:24:33
I still think they have a trade up their sleeves.
00:24:35
I think that's the team I'm watching for more than anybody.
00:24:38
It just feels like they're gonna have to make the desperation move.
00:24:40
Thio keep you honest there, So but right now I'm looking at the Lakers, and it's like, you know, we're all All we've done is talk about Oh, who are the Nets? Who are the Clippers? Who are all these teams? Who are the Rockets gonna grab with the M L E and the veteran minimums? Okay, the lakes are working within Emily, and they're also working with veteran minimums.
00:25:01
And they're not dealing with this Kwai Leonard thing this year where they're basically in a weird hold over because they're waiting to see what team he's choosing.
00:25:09
Like when free agents.
00:25:10
Well, really before.
00:25:11
Because everybody's temporary.
00:25:12
Uh, let's say months before free agency starts, they're gonna be getting a contact with guys.
00:25:18
Yeah, obviously we're talking Thio when you run the risk that we enter free agency and maybe all of a sudden find out that this guy doesn't want to come to the tour team like no Yeah, Andi, Like, right now that I mean, think about the PR that they've got right there, like, hey, we want a championship in heart.
00:25:38
Arguably, our best player is 27 might be the best player in the league so, Oh, by the way, we have one of the two greatest players ever.
00:25:46
I mean, they've got a great recruiting pitch right now, so you look at them and it's like there's no questions.
00:25:52
They have a great coach.
00:25:53
They have a great culture right now.
00:25:55
I mean, they're gonna be in the top of everybody's list and, uh, and and they could retool.
00:26:01
I think there's certain pieces that they probably want to keep their.
00:26:03
I would keep Rondo.
00:26:04
Why not like whatever? Like he's a oddly enough, like and again, it's not because I was deep diving on this or anything, but I always kinda.
00:26:14
I always liked Rondo.
00:26:15
Even he was getting older like I was like, I think he's.
00:26:18
I think he's a great player to have on your team. And he was.
00:26:21
He did knock him.
00:26:22
He's a little bit older.
00:26:23
He does, You know, he fades away during the season, sometimes whatever it may be.
00:26:26
But on the right roster, like he's not good on a bad team like he's not good down on the pelicans.
00:26:31
They have a shortstop there like No, that's not a great spot for him to be, but put him on a championship caliber team.
00:26:36
He knows what his role is.
00:26:37
He knows that the best serve the stars of the team like that.
00:26:40
Those are the small pieces that you need on rosters like this when you wanna win.
00:26:43
And I to your point I would bring I would bring him back.
00:26:46
You're gonna get Avery Bradley back if you wanna.
00:26:48
You know, that's that's a nice peace to get back onto this roster that immediately improved the next year and probably changes the complexion of this final Siri's.
00:26:55
It probably is a straight sweep, I would think if he's on this roster, that's how important he could be for them.
00:27:00
You know, when you think about any other teams you mentioned Milwaukee, you have to make a move here in order for me to look at you and say you could obviously get of the Eastern Conference and then challenge.
00:27:09
And then I guess the other mystery is the Brooklyn Nets, like, what does this team look like? Are they making any little tweaks? And even if they don't, they stand pat.
00:27:17
Just what do they look like throughout the season? And how does that match up start to create.
00:27:21
You look to the Finals, but even a team like Boston, as constitute, they're a really good team, and there's and they wouldn't be.
00:27:27
And they wouldn't be the Lakers, you know? Yeah, no, not even close.
00:27:30
So it's just that that's right now, like you said, as Faras odds on favorites, it's gonna be if anything is gonna be somebody from the West.
00:27:36
But even still, any of those teams that look great the Denver Nuggets or, you know, the Dallas Mavericks, I think is great.
00:27:43
Maybe the Dallas Mavericks are the most intriguing one. Health.
00:27:45
If they come back 100% healthy, then that team gets exciting and interesting, you know? But even then, Luka doesn't play.
00:27:52
He doesn't play great defense for all the size that he has, and that's something he has to change before you re examine that, Because again, if you're not gonna play defense at a high level by the time you get to the finals, you're gonna suffer there or the Western Conference finals.
00:28:03
They also have the I mean, I think, like I'm trying to think of, like basically construct the perfect team to beat the Lakers.
00:28:13
You have to have a stretch center, I think.
00:28:15
I think that's I think that's the move, because it takes Anthony Davis away from the rim.
00:28:20
Like if I've learned anything in these Finals, the best Heat performance we got was when Bam didn't play and they got and they bombed threes on them.
00:28:30
They had Kelly Olynyk basically in there and admire Third, who hit in early three, Um, and and and And they basically played five out, the entire the entire game.
00:28:41
And the Nuggets gave them a decent scare here and there.
00:28:43
Um, so I think that's what you have toe do is you have to space them out.
00:28:48
Essentially, I don't know.
00:28:50
That's the best I could do with trying to beat this Lakers roster, which, I mean, how many teams have that luxury? I guess the Nets with if they play Katy at the five.
00:29:01
But right, so that's the adjustment you're making.
00:29:04
Like if you're one of these teams, that has, if you're one of these teams that has basically a generational player like Kevin Durant support play down to the five because the sizes mitigated there against an Anthony Davis and then even if, as constituted right now against, um, Aguirre, Howard, Kevin Durant's gonna have a field day.
00:29:20
So that's a great mismatch that you forced back in the Lakers direction.
00:29:23
But if it's like a team like Milwaukee for all of their families, the last couple of years, like, that's the team that seems best set up to do it because you have, Yeah, that's a great point because he shoots the privilege Now.
00:29:37
The tricky part there is Brook Lopez isn't a, you know, drive the lane kind of guy.
00:29:43
So you're you're gonna live on the perimeter and then that makes it may be easier for Anthony Davis to say, Well, okay, I can approach you out there on the perimeter because you're not gonna blow past me. Necessarily.
00:29:53
Then the X factor, because it becomes honest like a zoo.
00:29:56
Great as he is.
00:29:57
And we talked.
00:29:58
We talked about this before, right? He has the game has to evolve for him, and it can, and it will.
00:30:02
But he has to be.
00:30:03
He's got to do it all.
00:30:04
You have to be able to a time when you take Lopez off the floor, stick him at the five and say, Okay, Anthony Davis, come out to me now.
00:30:12
Now that's the mismatch you want, staying in the same vein of a Kevin Durant.
00:30:15
But now I'm big enough.
00:30:16
I'm strong enough.
00:30:17
I can take you off the dribble and go in the basket.
00:30:19
Put Riel defensive pressure on you, and then you start to get the foul troubles in a seven game series and say, Yeah, we can create a real problem for you and say, Who else are you going to put out there on the honest? And so far, they've been able to switch to that zone defense and kind of muddle things for him.
00:30:33
And I'm just waiting for you, Honest to go.
00:30:35
Okay, yeah, I'm gonna not unlike what LeBron does, right, LeBron goes, Oh, that's your counter.
00:30:39
Great.
00:30:40
I'll take you off the dribble and I'll get to the group and I'm not as big as he is.
00:30:42
So that's the team.
00:30:43
I think that's still represents the biggest team.
00:30:45
And to your point, about what's the tweet that they make to the cluster to to switch it over? That's probably still as constituted.
00:30:51
That's that's the biggest challenge to the Lakers If they get to the final, they could make it out of the East.
00:30:56
Yeah.
00:30:57
I mean, that's the tricky part.
00:30:58
Like the East is, I think the self will obviously improve, literally leaning early.
00:31:02
That doesn't sound like a word.
00:31:03
How many years of e? I don't know, But we're gonna Yeah, I definitely never write articles, so we don't need to worry about me not having a good vocabulary.
00:31:18
Uh, I think, like for them, you don't have five, right? They don't have to.
00:31:25
Your point. I don't have to stretch five Thais.
00:31:27
That's not Yeah, I want out there against, you know, against the date.
00:31:30
They should bring Baines back.
00:31:32
I'll be the move, right? They bring in their veins back in their interesting.
00:31:35
No.
00:31:36
Let me ask you something, though.
00:31:37
Would Dwight Howard or a JaVale McGee? I don't even know that.
00:31:41
I don't know if they're they're on multiple.
00:31:43
Yeah, I think they're on one year stop there.
00:31:44
Or at least that's the end of a two year contract for McGee.
00:31:47
Are those bodies ones that other teams around the league, even maybe to a fault, will look at and say, Oh, if we could go get that big body.
00:31:55
That might be a great counter to the Lakers when we meet them, and almost to their own detriment, because think about using these guys on a roster with a D and LeBron.
00:32:05
I don't think travels back.
00:32:06
I think that Howard's gonna come back.
00:32:08
I don't know if anybody is gonna want anything to do with JaVale just because he didn't play really at all.
00:32:13
Yeah, like he just kinda, I don't know.
00:32:16
I feel like Howard presents the same advantages.
00:32:20
Is just a little bit taller, which, like that's that guy's very replaceable, like, I think they're gonna probably bring in a better center.
00:32:28
I mean that Z like, by the way, credit to Frank Vogel for leaning into that just being like, Hey, we're gonna do this and it's actually a really great strategy.
00:32:36
When everybody was like, You should play Anthony Davis, that's, you know, at center full time and it's like, No, this is actually sweet, like we can use that.
00:32:43
But night tonight, like we're gonna throw different things that you I think it's very interesting, so but yeah, I think that they have, I mean again, like they have a million moves that they could make Free agency class is just right with centers like so many backup centers, maybe league average starting centers.
00:33:02
And that's huge for them.
00:33:04
When you talk about you said about constructing the perfect team, so maybe Milwaukee is a nice baseline.
00:33:08
But just what would be at the guard positions? What are you looking for? Because again.
00:33:13
Now, if you have the honest type 45 then a Luca, you know, an oversized guard that doesn't really give you defensive presence is okay, but it still feels like you need a flex forward.
00:33:25
But you need to Jimmy Butler ish to be able to pick up LeBron for stretches, right? I mean, like, now.
00:33:31
And now what we're saying is, how do you wanna be? The Lakers will give me. Give me Jimmy Butler.
00:33:35
Give me, You know, you start listing some of the best players in the league, but at least guys in that mold and I think you can.
00:33:40
You can manufacture that non name brand guys and get to that point.
00:33:46
But how do you How do you How do you find those? Because it feels like it's like Miami like, develop this over the course of a season, and then you turn up here in the finals and it worked out.
00:33:55
I don't think you're gonna know that going into a year when you when you construct a roster.
00:33:59
Yeah.
00:34:00
I mean, I think that I'm really happy right up the bucks, because this I definitely did not.
00:34:04
I don't think I thought about them as I sort of thought about them is like, Okay, this is a team that could come out of the East.
00:34:11
But I didn't think about them.
00:34:12
Is probably the best counter for the Lakers because I think they are.
00:34:14
So you have.
00:34:16
If Bud e.
00:34:17
I mean, and this is just like, knock on wood.
00:34:19
Please do it, man.
00:34:21
Uh, if but actually uses you honest as a primary defender, which is the most obvious move in the league.
00:34:27
And he refuses to dio, and I will never, ever understand it.
00:34:32
I get it. He's a great free safety. Amazing.
00:34:34
Used him as a primary defender.
00:34:36
He's 7 ft tall.
00:34:37
He's probably the quickest seven footer in the league.
00:34:39
Like use him as a primary defender.
00:34:44
That kind of feels like the ideal guy for an Anthony Davis who could stand him up, has the strength.
00:34:51
You're moving down the line, Really, All they need is a scoring guard or just some just a little something in that position.
00:34:56
Because scoring guards, The one thing that the Lakers kind of allowed in certain situations especially saw that burry scoring guards were able to get there is a little bit well again.
00:35:07
Because so to tie back into Miami, right? It's like saying Butler be a primary defender and then on the offensive end, your maybe you fall into more of a facilitator and when necessary, take it over like I know it seems counterintuitive.
00:35:20
Say, Yanis, you know what you should do is like maybe score a little less right you go Jesus, No, no, no, He was a nightmare.
00:35:26
But if you put more energy on the defensive end, take on the best player.
00:35:31
Typically, most nights you're gonna get the best player on the other team, and if you can lock up or mitigate that guy, then facilitate.
00:35:37
You're still going to draw the attention of the defense and allow the other scores around you.
00:35:41
When you mentioned the guards it comes to mind.
00:35:43
I don't know why.
00:35:44
Because I just I love I love the guy.
00:35:45
That's why uh, Toronto ran this very tiny guards with, obviously with Van Fleet.
00:35:50
With Lowry their van fleet going to free, I assume that he goes back.
00:35:54
But to me, if you want a pivot in your the Bucks, throw a perimeter shooter, dog fighting defensive mentality guy in Van Fleet into that backcourt that could become a very nice compliment.
00:36:06
He can create his own shot from the perimeter on his own, let alone if you have Lopez and Johannes on the floor with him and he can kind, actually, just sit, maybe spot up on occasion from from deep.
00:36:14
I wonder if that's a a feasible option.
00:36:17
When you have that much size on your roster, having a smaller guard like that could actually work for you.
00:36:22
Yeah, I also think I think the thing for me is I also want a guy who's going to get you honest the ball and not just, like, give him the ball and let him isolate like a guy that's gonna use him in the pick and roll because I don't think they had that to that degree like, yeah, you could say, Bledsoe or George Hill.
00:36:39
George Hill doesn't really present the advantages of getting to the basket.
00:36:43
Eric Bledsoe.
00:36:44
You can sag off him and you, you know, drop both your defenders in the paint and you basically dare him to shoot.
00:36:50
Put two defenders on the honest That attacks neutralized pretty much instantly.
00:36:54
That's what I mean.
00:36:55
Their attack early became Middleton and Yannis, which is a great attack.
00:36:58
Problem is, is that it? It's all you've got kind of on offense when it gets when games get tight, you bring somebody else that funny.
00:37:05
You mentioned Toronto.
00:37:07
If, of course, things don't go the way that they maybe did this year, I don't hate Lowry for them at all.
00:37:14
Yeah.
00:37:15
I mean, everybody has been talking about Chris Paul for them, but kind of the same player.
00:37:20
Well, and the reason why I might even to that point, Michael with because he's a better defender than Christmas.
00:37:28
Yeah, that's the difference to me.
00:37:31
The difference between a Chris Paul is their love.
00:37:33
Chris Paul has a great mentality, obviously attacks.
00:37:36
He's a great facilitator, a very traditional point guard like you said, getting Yannis and all those good spots.
00:37:39
That's awesome.
00:37:40
But Kyle Lowry loves to get guys their good looks like he distributor.
00:37:44
First, he can pull up, and he's, uh, far and away a better defender than Chris Paul.
00:37:49
If I was gonna take a look at a veteran guy, Lowry, to me would make way more sense for the Bucks than a Chris Paul.
00:37:54
I think Chris Paul again.
00:37:56
Now the Bucks do have a lot of defensive depth on their roster, but I just think a za good as Chris Paul wasn't okay.
00:38:03
See, I think there's now we're still there's still the reason why even Okay, okay. Scenery, both.
00:38:08
Like, yeah, we wanna move off of this and you're talking about, like, the next Wanna bring them in? It's like, yeah, great.
00:38:12
A lot of low, lower level teams that research themselves bucks and win now mentality lower would be a really nice fit.
00:38:19
Yeah, and it might make sense for Toronto to to be keeping Van Fleet and unfortunately, allowing who has been the face of their franchise to move on.
00:38:25
And Larry and I think like also the bucks just need that that championship, something they need, somebody that knows what they're doing to a degree like it just really feels like you need you need.
00:38:39
Isn't Kyle Lowry the point guard version of Jimmy Butler in so many ways, where it's like he's not necessary? The guy that's gonna like it's surprising when he gets you 40 but he has.
00:38:50
He just does a little bit of everything, and it's just absolutely magnificent.
00:38:54
I mean, like, and that's not a guy where you're gonna have, you know, I'm not Chris Paul, like for everything that he does great.
00:39:02
He was the number one guy on that team.
00:39:05
Yeah, I don't know what that looks like.
00:39:07
There was a little bit of weirdness between him and hearted.
00:39:09
Maybe it was a personality clash, but Chris Paul has got a lot of pedigree to him.
00:39:13
Kyle Lowry has been a guy that really fits in nicely.
00:39:16
Is that number two guy, like really, really nicely makes a lot of sense to me.
00:39:20
You also don't have the concerns of Chris Paul being a smaller guard.
00:39:25
I always compared it to the Blake Griffin's situation where he has this amazing year.
00:39:30
He's an all NBA player next year. He comes back.
00:39:33
He's just banged up from the success of the year before.
00:39:37
Kind of wipes him out.
00:39:38
I'm very worried about that.
00:39:39
For Chris Paul? Yeah, As good as it looked this year for Paul, what I will say is, and even the playoffs and you kind of see this right? Kyle Lowry is known for taking those charges in the lane.
00:39:49
Let me take them.
00:39:50
I don't mean flopping for him.
00:39:52
I mean, this guy gets in position.
00:39:53
It takes hard hits and draws those fouls.
00:39:55
Chris Paul was drawing those fouls, but he was not getting in position and he was flopping for a lot of them, and that's okay, veteran moves.
00:40:03
But when you see that this year, next year, he's even maybe a little step slower and he's getting a little bit less and he's a little bit older and he's not getting the respect from the You know, those things shift very quickly, and all of a sudden Chris Paul looks very old and he's just getting blocking fouls a lot like that.
00:40:20
That's Ah, delicate trade off that you're talking about with Chris Paul versus A Kyle Lowry and all of a sudden, like you say now, I have a bit of a detriment on my roster.
00:40:28
It's not that he's gonna get points, but now I have a detriment as opposed.
00:40:32
It is adding to this, adding to this roster and adding, Ah, different dynamic to it.
00:40:36
So I think that Lowry is still at the Let's say, you know, last couple seasons of real prime play, whereas I think Paul in a hanging on mentality and again bucks are in championship win mode.
00:40:48
But I think you have to look at, like again.
00:40:50
A Chris Paul on the Lakers would make a ton of sense of the Guard position.
00:40:53
You know, he fits there.
00:40:54
He fits on different rosters better than he would specifically for, for what the Bucks need.
00:40:59
And when you have a guy like Yannis, that's why Larry again.
00:41:02
When you have a player like Yannis, who doesn't seem to want to be a dogfight guy, it's just not his nature.
00:41:06
That's what you That's how you supplement that. You say Okay, great.
00:41:09
Let Lowry be that vocal leader.
00:41:10
Let him die That digs his heels in on key possessions.
00:41:14
Key Serious? Yeah, they just They don't play with personality like it's really weird. When you get to the postseason.
00:41:19
They there this they just I don't know.
00:41:21
I think that's what they're missing.
00:41:22
Like it just It's a really weird cliche thing, but, like, again playoff there? Yeah.
00:41:29
Yeah, I think so. Right.
00:41:30
Hey, also makes sense is a number three.
00:41:32
So you have Johannes Larry Middleton.
00:41:35
Kind of in the same way.
00:41:36
I actually think Paul George probably makes a little more sense for this.
00:41:38
The number three, uh, which, you know, that's a different can of worms for a different day, but yeah, no, I think that would make a little bit more sense.
00:41:49
Is if you keep him, then the question I mean, what you I mean, if I was Milwaukee, I'm unloading the chest.
00:41:56
I'm saying, Here's a million picks, whatever.
00:41:59
If we lose our picks, we're not going to draft a Yanis in the next well, four or five years.
00:42:06
So if you have the chance to keep him, you're going to do that.
00:42:09
And that's why it's so confusing to me.
00:42:11
Like they were reportedly out on the Chris Paul thing.
00:42:13
And it's like, all right, that's fine.
00:42:15
But like, you're not even you're not gonna do due diligence on this.
00:42:19
You're not even gonna look into it.
00:42:20
I don't know.
00:42:21
I'm, like, look like I don't I wouldn't play my cards that way.
00:42:25
I would show that I'm willing to do anything for the star player because realistically, your Milwaukee, you're not going to get this again.
00:42:31
You're just not You're not like give up everything.
00:42:34
Donte DiVincenzo, Eric Bledsoe, Orson Ilyasova A bunch of picks.
00:42:39
Send it out.
00:42:40
Kyle Lowry done like it should be that easy.
00:42:43
Yeah, because short of like you say short of the other teams in the East, coming up short this upcoming year as as right.
00:42:52
As of right now, you look at the walking, you go.
00:42:54
You're a team.
00:42:55
You're a team in the East right now.
00:42:56
Maybe you better.
00:42:57
But you're just a team in the east so short of making a substantial move you're going to go into next year.
00:43:02
It's going to be hey a pickem when you get into the final Eastern Conference finals.
00:43:07
And I don't think that if you're Milwaukee with Johannes and understanding what's at stake for your franchise, I don't think you can come into the season like that.
00:43:13
You have to come in this season being like, Wow, you went and you got Lowry.
00:43:18
That really changed the dynamic of this team and it's come get us not Can we come out of this pack? So, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see, man.
00:43:25
And like even the even the Chris Paul thing, I may disagree with that being the right move for them.
00:43:29
But stopping yourself short of investigating it and seeing what's possible also seems like a like a mistaking that way, too.
00:43:35
Now they sat down, had a very long conversation with with Donna, So I'm assuming that he gave him, you know, they said, he said, Here's my list of guys that I'd like to see.
00:43:44
Here's what I like on the roster.
00:43:45
Here's what I don't like, including if it was saying I like Middleton, I don't love him.
00:43:49
Whatever the case may be, this is what I want to see.
00:43:51
This is what I need to see, and then you go and you do it, and that's how you that's how you keep you honest for the next four or five years and understanding that it was his choices that led to the success or failure, and that has to have.
00:44:01
But by the way, has to be on that on that block is Well, I'm surprised they kept him honestly.
00:44:06
Really? I thought it was it.
00:44:08
I couldn't believe it.
00:44:09
Let me ask you this.
00:44:10
When? When the When the clippers let Sorry Glenn Rivers go.
00:44:14
Uh, when? When? When Glenn hit the market.
00:44:18
The classic big name that you want to get when he when he came onto the market.
00:44:21
Do you think that the Bucks should have had a very quick internal ****ysis of Is there a benefit to jettisoning Bud and bringing in dock and the impact that he could have just from a It's Doc frickin Rivers like that ahead.
00:44:34
Even if you stood pat with the roster.
00:44:37
Yeah, I would make the case that Doc Rivers alone would change what the results are for your team.
00:44:41
You know what I always I always like to Mike D'Antoni for them.
00:44:45
I just I think that they they're so used.
00:44:48
Xcacel run, Run those legs, boy, like they're so predictable in the half court.
00:44:55
And look, he's not a good adjuster, either.
00:44:57
I mean, you saw you kind of running into that.
00:44:59
We saw this. That's not fair.
00:45:00
Actually, he's been good in certain years.
00:45:01
This year he was not good.
00:45:02
Um, but you you put that like this group of guys in a different offense.
00:45:09
I think it looks a lot different.
00:45:10
Yeah, I dio I'm in the I just don't think buds.
00:45:14
For all the greatness that he has in the regular season, he plays the ****ytics game.
00:45:18
It's just it's not the same, like the regular season in the playoffs have never been more different.
00:45:23
They just have it.
00:45:24
And it's like you had a whole year to think about, Okay, we ran into this problem.
00:45:31
They pack the paint on Yannis and you didn't have a single counter.
00:45:34
You didn't have one.
00:45:35
You didn't work on anything and that, and that's that idea of, you know, I always liked Vogel.
00:45:40
I don't know, but I've gone even higher on vocal because what he's done, he's great.
00:45:46
He's such a good adjuster and you don't and you don't like that.
00:45:50
You know, on the Pacers, maybe you don't realize it and then we come to the Lakers, you go.
00:45:53
Oh, like this is where your coaching really shines through Something on your Spoelstra blood.
00:45:57
You go Well, you were in Chicago maybe getting mawr out of a cast of characters or you don't have traditional superstars, etcetera.
00:46:03
You Finally you make your way to Milwaukee and you go, Oh, look, now you have all the pieces.
00:46:07
Now you can do whatever you want.
00:46:09
Whatever adjustments you wanna make it, there's no excuse to not be able to have a game plan.
00:46:12
However you wanna look forced it on the other team.
00:46:14
And when you don't, you go.
00:46:15
Oh, so you're just kinda You're just kind of going by the book and unionists go get go get me 30. Go get me 35.
00:46:22
Like shoot the Perimeter three is like, Let's go ahead and let the recipe for success play itself out.
00:46:25
So you don't know that until it happens.
00:46:27
And unfortunately you're you're seeing that play out.
00:46:29
Maybe in Milwaukee and it will be there's still time.
00:46:32
There's still time for them to pivot and make a change, but it doesn't look like that's gonna be the case.
00:46:35
I don't think, you know, and I think again, be to the detriment in this upcoming season.
00:46:40
I think you're another year away before they make a coaching change.
00:46:42
And then that's the big impact that comes for you, honest in that cast.
00:46:46
But, I mean, he's what, a free agent next summer, right? Yeah.
00:46:51
So this was the year to do it.
00:46:53
I couldn't believe it. I really couldn't.
00:46:55
Um, yeah, It's one of those things I'm gonna just if things play out.
00:47:01
I mean, the best thing for them is if they start off like five and seven or something like that, or or really just look wrong and it seems like they're unprepared.
00:47:14
I don't know what that means.
00:47:15
You're working with a thinned out market.
00:47:16
That's the problem is you're working with a market of coaches that, like you just you could have had this summer, and you're now working with whatever's left, so I don't know.
00:47:26
I mean, yeah, I don't know, I I kind of see where this is going for the bucks, but it's frustrating because you know what they could be and what they could do to improve.
00:47:36
And it's just it's a very obvious route for me and I don't think they're gonna go that way going for the bucks.
00:47:41
And it's Yanis going to another team, you know? He's gonna he's gonna play it out.
00:47:46
He's gonna say, Just show me Yeah, This season, just show me, Show me that we could do it.
00:47:50
Put whatever it is, right? Like I'm not here to tell you what has to happen on the roster.
00:47:54
You need to know, right? The GM needs to make the right choices and family with the right caste. This is your chance.
00:47:59
And if you show me enough, if we're in the finals next year and I'm doing what I need to do and I don't show up small in a serious I think that's probably only caveat is, if John it doesn't take over games as he needs to late play.
00:48:08
Yeah, if we're not in the finals next year on the Milwaukee Bucks, short of having a seven game deep, everything went right for you in the East and you come up short against three Brooklyn Nets, you know, short of that, though, it's going Yannis is going to leave short of it being Hey, we just got beat by the better team.
00:48:26
We did everything right, the players, the role.
00:48:28
Everything was right for us and we came up short.
00:48:30
We can run it back again.
00:48:31
Short of that, he's gone next year.
00:48:33
He's also got it.
00:48:34
Like for him.
00:48:35
He's gotta watch that.
00:48:36
Some of the tape on Jimmy Butler, this playoffs.
00:48:37
Who refuses to shoot threes? Yep.
00:48:40
Watch that man do things because that guy, like they were, it was impressive in Game four of this Lakers Siri's that, by the way, we were talking about 30 minutes ago.
00:48:50
This is, uh, three.
00:48:53
Yeah, he started.
00:48:57
So they basically put Anthony Davis on him.
00:48:59
He had no counter for the third quarter.
00:49:02
He started working as, like a roll man.
00:49:04
So when they play Anthony Davis really high, he would slip the screens like you, Honest has got a I don't want to take all the blame and put it on the bucks, and and but yeah, I just had no counters either.
00:49:16
Like he's got to figure out different ways.
00:49:18
Like watch them Jimmy Butler tape watch a guy that doesn't shoot threes.
00:49:22
And it doesn't just completely limit his game like he's got to figure out a way to not just be brute force over and over and over and over that cannot be or move.
00:49:30
You can't say, Oh, well, if you get me the ball at the free throw line, at least I'm not the three.
00:49:36
And I could do my whatever euro step thing.
00:49:38
It's like You gotta have a little bit of finesse to your game right now because I it's not It's not.
00:49:42
There s defense gets better in the playoffs thing.
00:49:44
Yeah, it's like the lane gets more congested in the playoffs and you have to know that you have to be.
00:49:49
You have to be ready for that.
00:49:50
We're talking about the way LeBron James, right on a game to game. Seriously.
00:49:54
Here you go. Okay, this is what required.
00:49:55
I mean, this is the matchup watching make the adjustments.
00:49:57
That's just listen. It's the growth.
00:49:59
But, you know, 25 now will be 26 next year, like, yeah, by the way, you play the heat again.
00:50:04
I'm picking the heat in five band that you're better like rosters.
00:50:08
Like, straight across.
00:50:09
Great. They get better either.
00:50:11
Hero, You're better.
00:50:12
Great. Wonderful.
00:50:13
I'm picking the heat easy because if you guys come out that way like it's not even a question.
00:50:17
So, yeah, get my kind of reminds me of, like, the Utah Jazz running into the Rockets every single year and just being like, we don't have anything for this, like, that's a really bad matchup for them. Yeah.
00:50:29
All right, let's close this out.
00:50:31
We will be back.
00:50:33
Are you Are you on tomorrow with this, or are you on Monday? I know you're on Monday with Keith. Yeah.
00:50:40
There we go.
00:50:41
Yeah, maybe we'll be talking about tied up and going todo Wouldn't that be great, e.
00:50:48
I'll start to get into the offseason speculation.
00:50:51
Good stuff.
00:50:52
You have anything this weekend? Any streams that we should know about.
00:50:55
Listen, I'm doing a little more than its coverage, obviously.
00:50:58
So that'll be something that maybe over the weekend and then on the NFL side of things, I'll be doing the Thursday night preview Friday morning, wrap up for the Thursday night game if you're in the NFL.
00:51:07
So look me up, man.
00:51:08
Adam are break here on SportsCastr.
00:51:10
I'm doing it.
00:51:11
There you go.
00:51:13
You could I mean, you're already on here, but you could find me back slash Matt Brooks.
00:51:18
Everything is there? I'll have a couple of things coming up.
00:51:22
I don't have anything too crazy Plan.
00:51:23
Gotta, Gotta Lakers Guy coming on, I think.
00:51:26
Monday, But so we'll see what type of move that is.
00:51:28
I don't know.
00:51:29
It's gonna be celebratory or panicked.
00:51:30
We'll see what that's gonna be like.
00:51:32
So that'll be coming up.
00:51:34
And then I'm doing a little bit of a Nets fan, which I don't know.
00:51:38
I don't know how many nets sands air on this website, but if you are doing yeah, if you are, I'm gonna be doing a little bit of a name.
00:51:46
A today.
00:51:47
Just taken any questions, doing trade stuff.
00:51:50
Probably because that's all that really want to talk about.
00:51:53
So yeah, so that will be that will be here, you know, type away in the chat, ask me questions.
00:52:00
I got a second screen, so I'll be keeping an eye on everything, and we'll run it that way.
00:52:04
So with that, thank you. Everybody for watching.
00:52:07
Thank you for tuning in to me and Adam and Adam.
00:52:09
I will see you next week.
00:52:10
Yes, sir.

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