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It's been a little while we took a small break.
Here is welcome into the visual.
Obviously, as the post season starts to wind itself down with the MBA Finals, we look forward to the off season and some of the potential for maybe some adjustments to get made to this roster.
Hopefully, you've been following along with the podcast Azaz.
Well is dug, Nori and I and look at the finals and then talk a little bit of just news and notes around Brooklyn.
Now over on the podcast side of things.
Specifically, we're really not getting into too many of the trade rumors and speculations and possibilities because they come so fast and so frequently and because unless you're really deep diving in on them, it's all speculative at best.
It's saying, Boy, we sure would love to have Aaron Gordon as people talked about all season long, and then you turn around, you move off of that, then you get into well, who's a superstar like Paul George, who's now on the outs, maybe in Clipper Land, because he didn't show Oppa's Bigas.
He showed up throughout the playoffs alongside Kawhi Leonard.
Now we should go get him.
So, you know, until some things become substantiated out there in Nets universe, we go ahead and keep ourselves away from it.
But over here, this is where we can have a little bit more expansive conversation.
So the first thing we'll take a look at obviously, it's just a quick nod over to the MBA Finals.
Where, of course, we've seen LeBron James leading the way and getting themselves up to that.
It is a 31 lead over the Miami Heat.
Obviously, Miami came out big.
Jimmy Butler came out big in that game.
Three to get a 21 Siri's going to make things interesting now as we stand, though, down three games to one Game five will be on Friday.
Listen, a lot of people are starting to say this is the wrap up.
The gentleman sweep has it so often referred Thio.
I'm not gonna automatically assume that that's the case.
I still think that Spoelstra again did a fantastic job there in game three, finding ways to manufacture some value out of Leonard in, you know, minimal minutes there.
You also got great looks from Kelly Olynyk.
He looked strong in Game four as well.
The question really becomes, was, Was that the Sleepwalking Lakers there in Game three? And it was a blip on their MBA championship radar? Or is there something more there That may be Spoelstra could go back into, take a look at and find a way to expose again, as you had to Game five.
I don't know which direction to take that, but the bottom line is, it's going to be an uphill battle.
And just from a pure fan standpoint, I hope that they get to a Game five.
Uh, sorry, Game six.
I hope that Miami is able to come out, maybe find that balance and find a way to push this to a Game six and continue to make things interesting.
Continue to force LeBron to earn ring number four as we briefly take a look over at those stat lines to again great balance for Miami and this one, and one of the questions that Doug and I'll get into on an episode of record later today is just around the back end of the starting lineup for the Lakers.
Last game you had Morris and Kuzma come off with 19 points apiece off the bench there, where Danny Green and KCP were kind of quiet in this one better balance from KCP and Green in the starting rotation.
I just wonder what that looks like for rhythm, so certainly keeping an eye out for that the other may be interesting news that we can we can sort of get into is the wild trade talks around the Brooklyn Nets? Obviously, we highlighted Aaron Gordon was the big during the season kind of guy.
Paul George bubbled up because of his performance.
Playoff P or or a lack of playoff Pia's, they might say for the L.
A Clippers this season, and and then you also think about some other smaller pieces.
I think the more interesting ones, and certainly Paul George is from a from a talent standpoint, could make sense because you're talking about getting a defensive player, high defensive player.
I look over and I take a look at the Victor Oladipo and I think boy, would that be an interesting scenario where even if he doesn't have the same offensive upside, if he can come in and be a quality defensive compliment there with Kyrie Irving, that would be a great route, I think for Brooklyn to go depending on what the price tag is and what it looks like to get that done.
But there's been some rumors that the New York Knicks, maybe looking Thio or may automatically be getting Victor Oladipo whatever it takes under Tom Thibodeau.
But then, the more recent one will say is when you think about an ideal pairing for Kyrie Irving in that backcourt, I don't know if this is This is the speculation.
So let's dive in on, you know, first and foremost.
And these were the wild rumors.
We've heard this name get mentioned in conjunction with the New York Knicks, and that's of course, Chris Poll.
I lead the Oklahoma City Thunder on a great playoff run, a great bubble performance.
Certainly, that's a team that outperformed expectations.
They let go of Billy Donovan, so you know that they're gonna turn some things over there and obviously move in the direction of the youth and you don't anticipate them hanging on to Chris Paul.
The interesting thing is, originally when you thought about Chris Paul, everyone was assuming it's a salary dump for the thunder for a team that's willing to take on that big contract after the bubble and after this performance.
So you start to think maybe there's a chance.
Maybe there's a chance that other teams still look at him is having real value.
And the Kansas City Star, the okay, see, could have a real chance to get value back, whether it's draft picks, etcetera.
So let's just think about here this speculative offer.
The idea is, if you talk about getting Chris Paul on to the Brooklyn Nets at the cost of Spencer Dinwiddie.
Taurean Prince, this is the interesting part of it.
DeAndre Jordan and 2020 overall 19th pick in the n B. A draft.
So here's there's a couple parts of this.
If we're gonna go down the road, we might as well do it.
Uh, you know, effectively, Spencer Dating, we know is a high high level score.
Obviously doesn't offer a ton on the defensive unnecessarily.
Doesn't mean that he's not giving the effort, but just in terms of real impact on a game, being able to lock down the opposition when you think about pairing ideal pair with Kyrie Irving, Do you really want high defensive a***en? I don't know if a this stage of Chris Paul's career, you may get effort, but I don't know if you're going to get the rial needle mover in terms of defensive performance.
Now you could talk about the Tory on print side of it.
That's just a nice salary dump because his salary balloons this year, when we look at the Brooklyn Nets and what that's gonna count towards on this roster going forward, and we'll get those numbers up here in a moment as well, then you get to DeAndre Jordan.
The reason why I think this wild trade speculation falls apart is because you are talking about a player in DeAndre Jordan.
The Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant want there.
Incidentally, it does also have ties to Chris Paul going back to their L A days as well, playing alongside him there in LOB city.
So I just don't know if one if you were going to go the route of a Chris Paul, then I really think you be talking about.
First of all, you're keeping Deana Jordan no matter what.
Let's just let's just go and put that to bed unless there's some really knockout opportunity.
And what I mean by that is bringing in a legitimate five that's going to really change the shape and style and look and feel of this roster.
You're not going to convince either Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving or both of them, either of them to move on from DeAndre Jordan.
If he's if you're going to go this route and you think about even to take out Jordan and throwing somebody else you name Player X, right, maybe it's Jared Allen because he's younger and then maybe get to hold on to a piece.
But what's nice about it from the standpoint of Taurean Prince, that's when we're talking about as we pull up these numbers here.
Oh, where's our boy? There he is.
So Taurean Prince is going to be counting towards 15 million in the upcoming season.
So that's really what we're talking about here, right? We're talking about a really difficult actually may be closer to 14 and 15 there, depending on which year is a little little screwy here, with the way this season has played out as extended to the back end of 2020 you should have been starting the new season.
Uh, you know, in on October.
So it's all up in the year.
So somewhere around that $14 million bucks, so moving off in that number is certainly nice.
DeAndre Jordan, even though.
And this number actually goes down slightly after the 2021 season where he makes north of 10 million and then just under 10 million over the last two years of the contract.
It's a number that maybe you'd like to move off of, but again, we let's living at least mildly in reality here and say You've got to keep that number.
So you're trying to make space for a 30 plus million dollar contract for Chris Paul.
So if you move off of that 14 15 million from Taurean Prince, then you talk about the Spencer Dinwiddie number that's gonna be in and around that 11 $12 million range.
So you are getting now close to 30 ish million dollars that you freed up.
If you throw in DeAndre Jordan, then, yes, the numbers all add up and you're able to bring in in a Chris Paul Now.
The impact to me, though, remember, Kyrie Irving is a fantastic passer of the ball.
So now you're talking about taking the ball out of his hands a little bit more.
You're talking about him playing off ball because if you have Chris Paul off the ball, well, then his values absolutely mitigated because again, he's a floor general.
He's a traditional point guard in that way.
So even though the scoring of Kyrie Irving would benefit from having the ball in Chris Paul's hands and you could say the same thing about if you put the ball into for occasions a Spencer Dinwiddie, if you stay with the roster as constituted, or if you go with the carousel for bringing up the floor on occasion, you can always get the ball out of Kyrie Irving's hands for stretches just to give him a little bit of alleviation from having to run the play every single time up the floor.
And then you also create different matchup looks when he can go ahead and work his way through screens, have a switch.
Come on the defensive side and find himself on the perimeter or able to drive towards the basket on UM, or Ideal match up.
But at the end of the day, you don't want to be taking the ball out of Kyrie Irving's hands. Necessarily.
You want him on the ball.
So that way, when you're when you're pushing, excuse me in transition, you can get downhill and attack the defense and forced the issue and create mismatches and find open looks for Kevin Durant for Joe Harris, for Caris Levert, even for Spencer dimly, if currently constituted that way.
So it's a little bit of a tricky mechanism here when you're talking about bring in a guy that you want to put on bowl and then trying to figure out how that would really impact things again.
I mentioned this name earlier.
When you say foregone conclusion for the New York Knicks, maybe going after Victor Oladipo.
I think that he's the high upside guy from a defensive standpoint that you want to pair.
Doesn't need to be on the bowl, can lock in defensively and on this roster with Kevin Durant with Kyrie Irving with Joe Harris on the perimeter and with a Spencer Dinwiddie or Caris Levert, one of the other whatever it may take and then, plus a couple complimentary rim running rebounders and Jared Allen and DeAndre Jordan.
That's what you need, someone who could take on the most difficult defensive assignment in the backcourt and do it consistently.
So the Kyrie Irving doesn't have to over exert himself on that.
And and by the way, if he takes on the more difficult of the two matchups, then Kyrie Irving can maybe give you his best possible upside on the defensive end.
Because he's going to be playing to a weaker offensive weapon.
He's gonna be playing to the second or third potentially option on a number of defense's, depending on what team you're going up against.
Let's also think about the idea of this traditional stat line, which is new, of course, in the Rafter ratings for the MBA.
When you get inside these numbers, this is what makes I will say that Paul George swing, which is never going to happen, so there's not a ton of reason to dive too deep on it.
But when we talk about that overall defensive rapture rating and you start to walk through it.
We know the usual suspects that they're gonna be there and traditionally trends towards the bigs.
A lot time. So you have Rudy Gobert.
You have even, uh, Willie Cauley Stein, Anthony Davis Right up there in the top Raptors as well.
One of the players that is playing right now in the finals in Alex Caruso shows his value by being a member of that backcourt off the bench.
Because he's a plus, 3.
8 on the defensive end, his offensive output is minus 1.2.
That's okay because you're specifically there to be a problem for opposing offenses in their backcourt.
And then, on top of which you just saw this in game number four there, where he does a great job, as does Rajon Rondo on the Lakers off being small but having well timed rebounding opportunities.
Opportunistic, crashing the boards from the outside, being on the perimeter on a given shot or a given drive and then on a long rebound, especially off of three point attempts flying in and really timing it, balancing it and stealing a couple of extra possessions for you and That's kind of really what the Nets need to look to do in order to complement Kyrie, Irving and this offense for the Brooklyn Nets.
As I scroll down here to try to take a look and where these names pop up for you and specifically, let's go ahead.
We could even do this.
The let's do this the easy way and go right to those Clippers.
And let's talk about Paul George, who comes in.
And this is why he's such an incredible talent.
Why he's not going anywhere, right? Let's talk about you wanna flex him up from the, uh from the Guard into the forward position.
At times, he's plus 3.
5 offensively, plus 2.
8 on the defense events.
So one of the better defensive players in the league when you talk about that overall, that's still going to be good to put him in a top 30 position Top 25 position, really in the league.
So that's why you want a pair a player like him, and then you create real size mismatches as well.
If you wanna put him down to the guard position alongside of Kyrie Irving, the backcourt now he has good length and size on both ends of the floor, Really.
And then even if you play up to the forward, he can match up well defensively and then obviously give you tremendous opportunities on the on the offensive end.
Deflect at the perimeter, also driving an attack.
So you like the balance.
It's not happening.
So you could go ahead and move your mind off of that.
The other players that we talk about the like the Victor Oladipo's of the world when you flip over to the Pacers side of things.
And remember, this is a team that had injuries, this Victor Oladipo who was coming back from injuries of his own and trying to get back into a rhythm.
We find that little, we're gonna actually have to make a little bit of an adjustment here in terms of minutes shares because he was not there for the entirety of the season.
So we just dropped those numbers down a little bit just so we can see where Oladipo pops up on this radar gotta go even lower.
Set the bar too high for a Victor Oladipo this season, just in terms of the minute played, ah, minutes played.
Now we know that he has a good track record there as well.
So it's not like we need Thio.
Consider the idea of two small sample size in this particular instance.
But in a year where he came back from injury, when you finally get your down there 2.
So you're talking about a guy that's top 25 Top 30 in the n B A.
And you can go ahead and slot him right alongside.
Even though his offensive output this year was minus 1.
6, you can slot him in right next to a sorry Kyrie Irving and feel very confident about what he's going to do and how he can impact this team, let alone on the offensive end, if he starts to round back into form. Fantastic.
If not, you got the firepower.
That's the kind of guy that you that the Nets really need to be looking at in these type of situations.
What's go a layer deeper and just broad stroke it in terms of players that we think could be nice fits to pair specifically in the backcourt.
I'm okay with going forward by the way with Spencer Game, Woody and Kyrie, Irving and Caris Levert and saying, We're gonna rotate these guys and balance them out as we see fit.
And maybe you even get a little bit of upside from a player like Caris Levert on the defensive end, where you can maybe continue to develop and really find his rhythm on that side of the floor because he does have nice length.
So he could be, Ah, mismatch on the defensive end, where you use his length to really stymie some of the better weapons at the guard positions When we take a look down inside of it, though, we talk about Paris.
Laverty right now is borderline of net neutral on the defensive end at just just under minus 0.
So you know, net neutral and that's okay.
You can live with that.
If you get somebody who really excels on that on the floor.
That's when you get into the real bonus.
For example, we talk about Spencer Dinwiddie even better, higher upside offensively, but a minus 2.
2 on the defense event, and that's why you struggle.
If you are the Brooklyn Nets toe look at the backcourt and feel confident, and then you start to look at other areas.
We know that Kevin Durant's gonna be a problem defensively with his size and length, but you're not getting it.
Necessarily quality from Jared Allen from DeAndre Jordan.
You think about the Garrett temples of the world who may or may not be back, and you just start toe Wonder.
Where are we going to be able to get some nice lock down possession so that all of the offensive output that you're seeing for the Brooklyn Nets get supplemented and you say, and then in the third quarter late in third quarters are moving towards half time late in the close out portions of the game, you get a couple of nice, lock down defensive possessions that take it from being a two possession game to a 7 10 12 point lead, something that becomes insurmountable when you have the firepower that you dio the last thing.
We will take a look out here before we get out the doors.
Let's just run down those free agents that we're talking about, and specifically obviously at those guard positions, and if any of them would make sense for the Brooklyn Nets.
Some of the other ones that we can come back in and talk about people have been throwing out the idea of Serge Ibaka added.
At the four I again, I think that he's on the wrong side in terms of age.
Likewise, for Paul Millsap, that name has been getting thrown out there as well.
I just You don't want to get too old too quick here when you start to bring in guys that you think can be supplemental complemented players.
If you want to come off the bench, that's fantastic.
You can have a veteran presence that's nice toe have there.
But I just don't believe in over investing in a guy now, Millsap a 35.
I think Serge Ibaka just 31 or 32 so maybe there's some better value there.
But I really saw in these playoffs in the bubble.
Even though Ibaka had some nice games, I think he's right on the precipice of starting to show his age, and that could be a real detriment.
When you're in championship winning mode.
Look at the Lakers right now, Dwight Howard.
He didn't look like it wasn't that he fell off a cliff.
It was just that.
Listen, he's not engaged and he's on the right team and he doesn't have the right players around him like LeBron.
And in a D specifically LeBron and even Rondo guys that will keep him in line, keep him motivated, keep him focused.
But now you're seeing the tremendous value that he still has on the latter stages of his career.
From a guard standpoint, you look around this league you're talking about.
Listen, DEMAR DeRozan is going to be out there on the market for you.
That's an interesting 12 player option for him to stay in San Antonio.
Then you get a Batum.
Listen, Tim Hardaway.
None of these guys were really jumping out at you as faras defensive a***en as well.
A lot of these Air Player options as well unrestricted free agents, though.
I mean, listen, Ah, Caldwell.
Pope is gonna be out there in the world sitting there coming off of what could be a championship run for him so we can think about it that way a little bit.
But if we run through those teams just real quick, let's just hit you with that KCP number before we dive in on a couple of other names.
When you look over at K C P.
Minus net neutral.
Now listen, and he has that good length.
So you know, theoretically, let's say if you want to move off a Spencer Dinwiddie to try to get some value back and shuffle some pieces around him, bringing in a player like K C P wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because he offers you streaky.
But perimeter shooting and then also at least decent, has nice length, indecent ability on the defensive end.
So that's like, Ah, flyer guy.
You maybe take a look at Let's just ponder on DEMAR DeRozan and what he's bringing to the table over there on the San Antonio Spurs.
If he elected to move on from there, and it's hard to think that he would DeRozan minus 2.
7, offers tremendous upside on the offensive end.
That's where I suspected that number was going to be so that you know, listen, there's not a lot of high end guys that you're talking about getting back or one of one's.
Listen, there's Joe Harrison.
He's gonna be a guy we wanna bring back and play up.
But the but the three, obviously he gets listed at the guard.
But really, in the next system, he plays up the three and occasionally maybe could drop down and play alongside, depending on what the pairing that you wanted to do there.
And that's really as we sprawl around here, news and notes we can call it.
That's really we start to think about with the Brooklyn Nets as well is if you have Kyrie Irving back there and you're going to maybe maybe pair him alongside, Ah, Joe Harris and then you're depending on where you want to play K. D.
And then who you gonna use at the four is Nicholas Classic.
And to start to get into the mix there, How is the hour? These rotations at times gonna look? Then you think about second unit.
Do you just parrot almost exclusively the Caris Levert and Spencer Dinwiddie line up there because those guys have familiarity and have grown together.
That could be a really nice balance between a bench quote unquote and a blended unit that allows you to flex some of that offensive firepower into both units.
So you know you have consistency and you don't have a drop off, which we saw on the bubble.
So many players not available for the Nets down there.
But you saw how the second unit with all these random Flyer guys they brought in, could not stem the tide to getting back some of those better offensive weapons on the floor.
And by that point, you end up losing and you fall in a four game sweep to the Raptors.
As we know at the end of the day, it's really hard for me.
Look at some of these and let's just Chris Paul went, Obviously, let's go and throw that out the door.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
You're not gonna take on that money first of all, and you're not going to get a better defensive a***en out there.
We can go ahead.
By the way, I don't even think we didn't even pull that one up.
By the way, when you talk about a Chris Paul on the thunder, we talk about a guy in Chris Paul who gave you a minus two on the defensive end.
So, you know, communicate to me.
Why a wild trade like that, where you take on a 40 plus million dollar veteran contract would make any sense in the world to try to bring that player in.
Who at best is going to be a nice offensive weapon and a nice veteran leader? And that's great, but you're not getting any defense and not get any defense out of him.
At that point, I I take the risk of what Spencer did, what he is because his upside is still up.
It's still in front of them.
Chris Paul needs to go to the New York Knicks or someplace that wants to drop a ton of money on a veteran who had a great season and at some point is gonna have that cliff.
Go ahead and approach him in a hurry.
Beyond that, though, you know, Listen, there's guys like Bogdanovich out there restricted free agent playing there for the for the Sacramento Kings.
You could talk about even a Robertson on O K. C.
28 years old there while we have.
Okay, see? Pulled up.
Let's take a look at Robertson.
Why don't we didn't see all the time now.
Actually and I will say if you talk about pieces you wanna look at and it doesn't really help the defensive side of things, but you talk about just sizing up a little bit.
Uh, Danilo Gallinari is a guy that I look at that I think would make a ton of sense if you could get your hands on him at the right price point because then you get bigger at the four.
You can use them at that.
You can use them at the three and the four.
He can size you up a times you could even to stretch, go small and move him into the five and then use, uh, Kevin Durant at the four offers a ton of flexibility.
Veteran players still shoots well from the perimeter.
That's the kind of options that I think you really need to look into.
That being the case we came in, we talked about the NBA playoffs a little bit.
Let's talk about the finals.
LeBron James going for number four.
We talked about wild trade speculations that don't make any sense.
We shot him them.
This is how we, uh we go ahead and filter through some of these ideas.
We will talk NBA draft, though coming up, that's where we can kind of leave this.
When we come back in again, we will start to look at what the Nets can plan to do in the draft.
Is there a possibility of trading those assets, Often shifting some pieces and we'll dive around will really look into deeper.
What are the most ideal trade options to significantly improve this team in the biggest areas of concern defense and size? Those are the two things that the Nets need to look to improve here in this offseason.
After that, there's no point to go anywhere beyond thes talks about bringing in a Chris Paul bringing in even in Aaron Gordon, bringing in high powered offensive weapons to a team that already has that lock step between the outside shooting of Joe Harris.
Katie Kyrie, Irving.
You can even throw it, obviously, ah, player like Caris, Levert and the steps that he's gonna take forward as well.
So it's about defense.
It's about size.
That's where we're gonna start focusing.
I'm not sure which day we're gonna officially make it.
Maybe we'll go ahead and call it the midweek rundown show and we'll go ahead and come in once, maybe even twice a week, and start to ramp things up as the finals close out as we look ahead to this free agency offseason, as you look to some those trade speculations and, of course, the MBA draft.
Exciting, exciting times friends.
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