And with that friends, we welcome you back.
Where, as always, I am Adam Arm break, joined by the healthy, wealthy and wise Mr Andy Mackiewicz.
Well, Adam, I have to admit, I'm a little bit under the weather this morning, but true professionals power through it.
I feel like that's not true, because you didn't mention it before we started.
So I'm just assuming this is, uh let me get on the air and really milk this thing.
What do you got? The sniffles, buddy.
Sympathy, sympathy, vibes.
Is that what I'm going for right now? Yeah, little boy. Blue over here.
You know what I mean? Uh, well, good. Good for you, I guess.
Clap for you, sir.
Thanks for pulling through as we come into this, the what will be the quarterly report for Big Blue? We said we wanted to take a look as we've got through the season and kind of touch base on how we feel, Right? How are things going? Listen, we know that the Giants are going for but there's a lot more than just saying Hey, offense, bad defense.
Pretty good So we're going to dive into things a little bit here and kind of get a general sense of where we stand as we take a look at the New York football Giants before they hit head into their first divisional matchup this weekend with the Dallas Cowboys.
And before we really get full throttle into this, we just do a quick touch on something that we have brought up before.
And that's the general manager, Dave Gettleman, and where he stands.
I know you have some probably deeper thoughts around this.
I'll throw mine out super, just super high level here for me, even though I know it's frustrating with the way things have been at least this season, and even into past seasons with some of the hits and misses.
Unfortunately, we probably have to wait until the end of this year to know where certain key positions, obviously across the offensive line, to know where they stand before we can make a real referendum on Gettleman.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, if you look online, the Giants their own for and everyone is clamoring for David elements ago, and I don't have a dog in this fight.
I'm kind of indifferent on on whether or not he's there in the long term.
But I will say, like when When we talk about how inept the offensive line is or we get angry about the cornerback position, it also is important.
Thio layer some context behind how we've gotten to some of these positions and then, secondly, let's not also forget about all the good moves that Dave Gettleman has made that may potentially be here in the in the long term.
So ill Humor me.
Tell me if any of them resonate with you.
Um, you know, for first off this off season, the two biggest free agent acquisitions were James Bradberry and Blake Martinez.
And if anyone says that they are not have not been playing at a Pro Bowl level, they're mistaken.
So you know, when we talk about we didn't get Byron Jones, you know the number one cornerback on the market.
So we didn't get this guy.
Dave Gettleman made shrewd moves this offseason in acquiring two players that right now might be playing at the best of their position.
Yeah, and in some ways, you save money by going with Bradbury obviously over Jones.
And even though they talk about at the time saying that the price tag maybe for Blake Martinez over three years, seems like a lot for for the way he was perceived.
But if Gettleman, if we're gonna we're gonna blame him, we gotta give him credit.
He saw something there.
And the value of that contract now looks even better than it Did.
You know, before you went and signed into 10 year over three seasons, right? And so you know, those were some of the good pieces.
Now let's go into the bad.
People are upset about the offensive line.
The Giants went out and signed Nate Solder to the largest offensive tackle, assigning, you know, ever in the history of football.
And it was one of those moves that was like, Well, we don't know if it's gonna be great, but we have toe.
Even if he's mediocre, we have to find a way to get better.
It's fine if he's a little overpriced, like we'd rather have him at 10 million, but it's 14 million.
We're gonna swallow the extra cash and deal with it.
And the problem is, he has just been a disaster for the Giants, right? Like he hasn't even given us, like like, just above replacement level.
We, you know, we paid them all pro money, hoping to get top half of the league value out of it.
And we've gotten almost not even a replacement level player.
And unfortunately, and this kind of goes into that point to right? So, Nate, solder at the time, like you say, Listen, we understand it is the only guy in the market.
We have to make sure we get him, so you over pay for him At the time, it was understood you were over paying, but you thought it was still worth it over the length of that contract, it seems like not so much likewise Ah, move trading assets and getting Leonard Williams.
Initially, we may say, Boy, that really looks that looks about as bad as it can get.
However, as we highlighted coming into the season, it depended on how he played this year, and he's been pretty darn good for us this season doesn't change about maybe your opinion about assets or otherwise and what you want to spend on the player, but that one has now changed perceptions a little bit, too.
So it's really hard to be a prisoner of the moment or not.
Be a prisoner of the moment and understand.
Got a look at this thing over two seasons, three seasons and see where we stand at the end of it, well, and the other piece of it is, there's a couple of other moves that kind of coincide with each other that I think is important.
Obviously, the Odell Beckham trade is a big one, you know, and and it's been glaring so far this year, not having a playmaker like Odell on the team, but basically what that trade has shaken out to at this point is it was an Odell Beckham for Dexter Lawrence, Jabrill Peppers and no Shane.
Examine is that is basically what the Giants got in return for Odell Beckham.
I mean, you have 32 starters on defense, maybe a third.
That's kind of a pass rusher, but you know, if looking back at that at this moment right now, it's it feels like it's, you know, 60 cents on the dollar.
When you ended up trading Odell out of town well and That was a tricky one, too, because especially when we talk about separation on the offensive side for the wide receivers, you know that that Beckham conduce that how he impacts the rest of the offense.
So there's real value in terms of not just him but the value across the offense.
Only thing I'll say those two, and this is neither here nor there, but just the idea of Yeah, you treated him away to time when, even with him, you probably still weren't gonna be necessarily that good.
And even if it converts into Dexter Lawrence, I that alone to me is a really big piece.
When you talked about where we were absolutely nothing across the defensive front, he now becomes a staple across that line, and that's certainly a big improvement in that area.
But I do think it is debatable as we move along here about what you got, what you lost and just make.
Where would Daniel Jones being a development? Where would this offense be if you had just a weapon that could burn deep? The trickle down effect, though, Adam, is when you move Odell Beckham and you get an asset like extra Lawrence and and peppers and a draft pick.
You then overcompensate at the wide receiver position because you don't have Odell anymore.
You start freaking out and saying, Well, we can't lose Sterling Shepard like we have to find a way to lock him up early.
You know, we lock him up $10 million a year.
We realized that, you know, we have to draft a wide receiver.
We got really lucky with getting Darius Leighton.
But then we go out and say, Well, we need a veteran Now we're getting rid of Odell.
What do we get? And we go out and we reach for the guy that you love Golden Top.
So, you know, all of these can't be just looked at in a vacuum when Odell Beckham leaves Golden Tate assigned because of that trade.
And so when you look at all this, you know, I generally think, you know, and then you look at kind of the defensive side of the ball with cornerback position.
You have Beale opt out, trade up to get Baker huge widths on those right now.
You go after Ballantine in the draft.
He has been terrible.
You look at yet.
Um, you try to find something, catch lightning in a bottle.
He has not been even replacement level.
You go out and get Madre Harper Ryan loose.
He's literally trying anything he can at the cornerback position because that has been a failure.
But also, you know, guys opting out and guys getting arrested off the field is a tough one to forecast, right? Yeah, and that's I think that ultimately is will start to move into how we stand on on all the three phases offense, defense and special teams here.
I I think that's the difficulty is it's very easy as a fan of a particular team to sit there and hyper ****yze everything and say bad, good, awful, great, whatever it may be.
And you look around the league, you go.
Look how other teams do it now.
Other teams are successful in certain areas, more so, But if you go around the league and you look at GM and you look address, it is hit hits and misses, it is risk and reward, right? The problem right now for the Giants is having a strong base line so that when you swing and miss.
It doesn't necessarily end up being a referendum on how good or bad the defense is going to be because you need a number two quarterbacks.
Not you'd like to have a number two cornerback.
You need this guy to be here and then you talk about the opt outs, right? Certain player decisions that end up happening on or off the field.
You're like, Okay, now that's something.
I can't account for that, and you could go into the minutia on it as well.
So it's something to think about and keep in mind.
Certainly, as we work through the rest of the season, I want to be angry and like every giant fan is angry.
We're going four.
We don't have enough like everyone wants to be angry.
And I think there is plenty of blame to go around on this team.
I think you can put quite a bit of blame on Dave Gettleman, but as we'll go through this, I don't think that all of the blame necessarily goes on him at this point.
Certainly so as we turn our attention over to first, the offenses side of the ball where the Giants overall are 32nd in the league, shouldn't be surprising to too many people 29th in passing and 31st in rushing just to give you the numbers on it, because you may think that listen, even at those at 30 29th and 31st, maybe it's not so bad, but 201 passing yards and 76 rushing yards.
So really, in today's NFL, not a good look on that side of the ball.
I'll let you take the lead here just in terms of what's the first thing that you want to bring attention to.
And then I have interesting stats here specifically around run and pass protection and what that looks like for Big Blue.
I have a couple of key things.
We brought it up on Monday's show.
The red zone offense is terrible.
Were the worst team in the league at scoring the ball.
When we get it inside the 20 yard line, that is never going to result.
All the other stats, you know, you could look at some different separation stats and all that, all that stuff that we could get into later, but not being able to score the ball when you have opportunities to score the ball is the reason why this team is owned.
There were chances to win games like let's just keep in mind that the Rams game they had basically at the 20 yard line with a minute to go with a chance to tie.
Let's not forget that the Bears game they had the ball inside the 20 yard line with a chance to score and potentially win the game.
Like you know, as as doom and gloom is, this has been We just haven't been able to finish off any of these scoring place.
And to me, that's the most glaring.
Ah, lot of the yardages and different things can be glossed over if when we get the opportunities, we make the most of those opportunities, right? So even scoring right scoring are scoring.
Ranking is obviously bottom of the barrel as well.
So before we get into what we'd like to maybe see change here on the offensive side of the ball over the next four games, a couple of interesting stats that I came across and we don't want to get down in the minutia as we try to say.
But the average NFL, in terms of rushing yards per play is just over four yards, 4.
28 The Giants, of course, a 2.
76 yards is going to be bottom of the barrel for you, and that's what you would expect.
We've been struggling, right? Where are the running backs being contacted behind the line of scrimmage? Often and interesting.
If we want to go silver lining here on power success rate, So power runs up.
The Gut League average is 66 were actually 60%.
That's good for 22nd.
It's not blowing the doors off, but also, it's a little surprising.
What makes it even more surprising is that we get stuffed on 28% of our runs league average of 17.
So you you assume that we'll be getting stuffed a lot and well over league average.
It's almost surprising, though, that we can do the power game with some level of success.
So I'm going to be curious to see how that starts to transition when we talk about where we're going with this running back by committee, I have an interesting thought around that around the running back group as well, and that's just that before we get to passing.
Wayne Goldman has 10 carries for 52 yards.
He broke off a nice, long one.
I know we bought in Devante Freeman.
I still think that over the next four games, I want to Seymour of Wayne Goldman than I do of Devante Freeman.
It's gonna be a share and carries, but I think that I would be going with Wayne Goldman.
He looked more dynamic in that last game, and at the very least, he looked more physical and powerful of a runner against the Rand's.
I think the Giants should be trying to build with that.
I don't mind seeing a little bit more of Wayne Gallman.
Obviously, Freeman is still getting his feet underneath him early on.
In this season, he is.
You know, Freeman's the guy.
I do look for that.
That could get us, you know, on a third and two could get us a couple of yards when we do really need it.
What I'm looking for more from from this offense and I'm really hoping they incorporated.
Moving forward is some of the zone reads that Daniel Jones may have the ability to dio.
I know that it's it's clear you as well.
Because you look at where the league is going with some of the different ways that they use their playmakers and they and they get these explosive talents to really maximize their value.
Yeah, I mean, you look at Lamar Jackson.
He's obviously the golden poster boy of exactly how the zone read can work.
But then you look at a guy like Joshua who's having a career year.
He has the mobility.
He has the arm strength.
It is shifting the defense slightly.
He is creating another dimension.
We've seen Daniel Jones be able to get out and run in space.
You know, he's been he's been getting 15 25 30 yards.
You know, last time I think he almost had 50 yards.
He has the ability to run.
He is our leading rusher on the year.
I think we need to design Mawr plays around that zone, read to maybe give the defense a different look.
Knowing that Daniel Jones has it has the ability to get out in space and actually make something happen.
Yeah, for sure I think we saw little glimmers of that in this last game.
Different looks from the offense that we haven't seen in the first three weeks, so maybe it's growing in that direction.
Other thing that all point to on the offensive side of the ball.
First we talk about adjusted sack rate, which is just taking all the factors in on offense and what that looks like.
Giants are a handful of positions below league average.
A little over 6% there.
Are there eight, so just again protection.
Let's go ahead and get better at that.
That's an obvious statement.
Three other big one for me is when you talk about doing these new schemes, trying new looks, getting guys in space.
I don't wanna beat this drum to death.
We're gonna touch on this player later on for for another different reason.
But right now Evan Ingram comes into this into this week five with 10% drop percentage been targeted 30 times.
He has three drops so far on the season.
When you compare him to other tight ends around the league, go out there and look a Darren Waller in Las Vegas targeted 40 times has a drop percentage of just 2.
5 if you're not going to convert the opportunities when your offense is struggling.
That's also the recipe for disaster, especially when you're getting such limited looks in the red zone.
Limited looks to move the ball on third down.
So there is an argument to be made here also, that it's not solely on the offensive line.
It's also about what receivers air doing.
Getting separation already went off on Golden Tate last week.
But in general, you need these guys to be doing mawr toe help Daniel Jones to help this offense have some consistency along the way.
Well, I mean, think about it, Adam.
This is a challenge for me because there's a couple of different stats that really don't jive well with me.
The first one is Evan Ingram yards per game.
He is 24th at the tight end position.
24 right? We're talking about potential franchise type player of, you know, at the tight end position.
When you talk about targets a game, he's fourth in the league, so he's getting the looks like he's behind guys like Waller and Kittel and Kelsey like That's where he is in terms of the looks that he's getting.
Yet the production isn't matching the amount of targets we give and and it's a host of things.
And this goes back to like the chicken or the egg discussion that we all have a giant fans.
Is it the offensive line? Is it Daniel Jones holding the ball too much? Is it the wide receivers not getting separation? Is it anger Evan Ingram dropping it? I think it's all of them.
But when we talk about Evan Ingram being, you know, potential future guy, that we might have to give a second contract to 24th in yards a game is just not gonna do it.
And you know, when you have that many potential areas that you want to put the blame on, you know you have problems right when you could say it could be a lot of things right.
So it's probably all those things.
And and Evan Ingram as well we talked you mentioned before replacing Odell Beckham.
You can tell that this is what they're trying to do is use him in that mold.
So when your not rewarding the opportunities.
It makes it more difficult for everybody else to get some easier looks.
Let's flip our attention now as we know we would over to the defense of side of the ball where and this has been a Nen credible, bright spot.
So as you would expect, we talk about some of those things on the offensive side that we'd like to see change.
But we do highlight a couple of positives in there, right, things that we can look to get excited about.
The Giants defense is fifth overall, sixth and passing 11th against the run.
They have done a lot of things fantastically, and we can highlight those.
And then there's still some areas, though, that I think you can improve on a lot of what we like.
Here, I think, is predicated on just the overall functionality of this defense.
Looks like we're cohesive through those first four weeks was still again areas to improve.
Listen, we went into this offseason knowing that we needed cornerback help and knowing that we needed linebacking help and we talked about it at the top of the show.
Blake Martinez and James Bradberry have been Pro Bowl caliber players they might even be all pro players so far with through the first four games of the season.
And to illustrate that James Bradberry has the second highest pro football focus score of any cornerback in the entire league through four games.
And this is on the team that's going for, so think about like, you know, they're they're throwing the ball around their scoring points on us.
And it's not because of him.
He has been tremendous.
So a plus ring the bell for James Bradberry.
The other piece of it is, is Blake Martinez.
You know, the first couple of games we talked about were like, Man Blake Martinez was all over the field like he is noticeable.
You see him in the back field, he shows up on the stat sheet, and when you look at what, well, you are my eyes meeting the ****ytics, second in the league in total tackles.
He's top five in the league and tackles for loss.
He threw in two sacks to be able to get to the quarterback.
He is all over the place where the Giants on defense and those two guys you know, in addition to Leonard Williams, and our defensive line have been the reason why we've even been in any of these games? No, for sure.
Yes, that balance.
So just understanding you have reliability at the linebacker position, which also includes getting other teammates in the right positions pre snap.
And then when you at least know, Hey, we're gonna put Bradbury on their number one, Yes, we're gonna have difficulties with the twos and threes and some of these other matchups.
But just knowing you can check certain boxes really makes it easier to start to try to scheme your way to some success by hiding some of those issues that you have in other positions.
What I will say to is, and this is a little bit of the silver lining, you know what we'll save that will save that piece there.
What I want to focus on here.
Unfortunately, so as good as the defense's play, we know we're missing a true second cornerback.
If you wanna get excited, you can take a look at Ryan Lewis Just in that first game, targeted five times allowed to reception, So 40% completion percentage.
There's something Maybe there he looks better than anything else we've put out there so far to this point.
You also saw some tea que Crowder getting used in very unique ways.
He's technically a linebacker, but he was finding himself deep down the defensive field at times as well.
If I want to go, there's a couple of things that I think are not concerning, but you.
You wonder where the improvements gonna come from.
The first thing I'll say is when you talk about just Q B rating against right.
So a player like Jabrill Peppers has allowed, and this is based on the old metric over 100 Q B rating when he's targeted.
So you know there's a problem there on the back end of the defense when they're getting pulled into, uh into coverage.
Additionally, Julian love a guy that we were bright on coming into this season 1 16 Right now, at that point as well.
Now if I want to trend a little bit, unfortunately, two sides of the coin here I will talk about Darnay Holmes, and I'll say when you think about the fact that rate now Darnay Holmes is actually only allowed 66% completion percentage when he's been in coverage.
That's actually pretty good.
It's actually better than you might expect.
The unfortunate for him is 25% miss tackles, one out of four tackles he's missing.
That, to me is actually the biggest glaring stat for him in terms of turning the corner when he's on the field, It's just saying, Hey, man, stay tight with them And when you have the opportunity, let's get him to the ground because that's the difference off.
You know, Third and seven being 1/4 and two are being a converted first down or even on a first or second down play.
Going for 10 yards are going for 20 yards.
So some of the devil in the details here for a couple of these guys is important, and the last number keep me out of the weeds here.
The last number, though, is three missed tackles for Dalvin Tomlinson.
That's over 18% nearly 19% for Dalvin Tomlinson in the trenches.
That's pivotal because you're talking about stopping running plays there, especially when they're getting, you know, trying to make that extra burst.
So that's something I'm gonna be keeping an eye on because we really liked what we saw from Tomlinson last year, and I just need to know that when you get your big bear paws on a guy, you're pulling into the ground well.
And Adam, you talk a little bit about Peppers.
I wanted to go back to that piece.
That's not a good staff.
But what that highlights to me and we've talked about this before is that Peppers conduce a lot of things.
Well, he's good in the return game.
He's good, you know, as a game changer getting up in the box, you can almost lining up at linebacker sometimes like he has.
He's kind of the jack of all trades that, you know, we talked about this before.
I want a guy in the NFL that could do one thing really good.
Like, you know, everyone talked about Isaiah Simmons coming out of college.
You know, the do it all guy from from Clemson.
They can't figure out where to put him on the field, and they have completely mismanaged him.
3 pro football focus rating, which is the lowest I've ever seen of anyone, and he's not that bad of a player.
It's just No one knows what to do with him.
Like Do we put him at nickel package? We put him in linebacker.
Do we put him? It's like, Where do we even put this guy on the field consistently to have success? I feel like, you know, to a smaller scale.
That's the kind of stuff that the giant struggle with peppers on is.
You think he may just be a safety.
Then you bring them up in the box than you're saying.
Well, maybe he could cover the tight end like And then you start getting into this whole mishmash of things and also you're putting in difficult, situational football sometimes, right? You may actually end up more often than not putting him in.
Ah, bad matchup statistically for him and asking him to say, Listen, I know this is an ideal, but go try to cover the tight end or come down in the box in this particular place so the stats can get skewed there in terms of what the value is, we'll see how it looks when he comes back from injury as well.
Overall, though, we know the defense has played very strong this season, it's been impressive.
We talked about those stats on the offensive side defensively, allowing 108 rushing yards.
That's good for that's good for 60 sorry, 11th overall in the rushing.
And then that that number for passing is going to be 221 yards.
So I mean, they're you know, they're doing a nice balance here of holding offenses, and there's been some quality ones.
You can say the 40 Niners, in spite of all the points you know, is maybe a throw in there.
You get the Bears.
It's been a bit of a hodge.
Ponds will certainly get a really good sample size here when we take on the Dallas Cowboys in Week five and then and that will bring us down to Earth a little bit, and that's okay.
I don't think that we are the fifth overall defense in the NFL statistically, but we have at least put some of those baseline, you know, components in place, that we can say we get better over the course of this year.
Well, a couple things, you know, if you look at some of the advanced metrics on defense were 10th and 12th, uh, in adjusted pass and run.
So we're kind of a little bit Maurin Top 10 Top 15 range when we take into account some of the additional factors rather than just the stats there, which I think is right around where I feel like we could be, which is great and, by the way, right, coming to the season what we say.
Hey, man, if we could be around Top 2017 to 20 and defense you, could that be a big improvement from last year? And you feel like that, coupled with a nice offense, would would really give us a nice, complimentary two sides of the ball.
So unfortunately, it hasn't quite gotten there yet, but we're going to touch on this after we get through the third phase of the game.
Changes and adjustments we might expect over the next forward.
I think that could impact where these stats finish for this team.
Yeah, small footnote on the defense is, you know Leonard Williams is in a one year prove it deal.
He's, you know, top five and Q B pressures and hits again.
He finally has two sacks, so giant fans can feel happy that they're checking the box, that he actually has something in that stat sheet.
You know, he's now projecting for eight sacks.
If he gets 10 sacks.
Was it not a successful season for Leonard Williams? At that point, like e mean, what do giant fans need to see in order for them to feel comfortable with Gettleman or whoever? The GM is giving him a long term deal.
Be very interesting.
Him and Tomlinson.
I think it's one or the other right.
Dexter Lawrence, we know is going to be there.
What does this look like for the other position? Because I don't think you're going to get out to big contracts in the off season.
Let's sit over to special teams where we are 10th and average per kick.
That's in return yards per kick and then 26 an average per punt.
Listen, you know, it's special teams.
We don't have to belabor this.
We went out and got good.
No, he's been nice in the kicking game.
He knocks it through the uprights.
That's what you want, consistency in that regard.
We've only put up its 20 yards per kick return.
So that number, You know, if you're catching it at the five or so, the starting field position is okay on Lee won fair catch so far in the punting game.
I think you want to see a little bit more from the Gunners just getting down there.
There have been chances for them to down the ball inside the 10 inside the five, and some of them haven't been converted.
But let him listen overall.
Pretty consistent, I will say the guy we mentioned on the defensive side of the ball and Corey Valentine he was still out there in the return game this past week.
Look better in the return game in week four than he had prior.
And that's gonna be something to keep an eye on in terms of his value to this roster.
Could be Maurin special teams going forward.
Well, you know, a lot of that has to do with your Brill Peppers not being able to play.
Obviously, he's one of our primary return men, so I'm trying to find a place for Corey Valentine.
Stop taking the wind down.
I mean, listen, the person Corey Valentine, nothing wrong with him.
4 pro football focus rating is lower than yet him, and it's lower than everyone else on a roster.
So, like it's just it's tough.
What a traditional metrics.
Not great, yes, but my any measure, it's not.
Not really very good.
Uh, but But when we talk about the special teams game, the only other small piece of it is giant fans toiling over what to do with Aldrick Rosas.
Oh goodness, like what could we put like? He was a Pro Bowl player once.
He was pretty good the next year.
It's like, Okay, we got rid of that experiment and Graham gonna was nine of 10 and the only one he missed was like a 55 52 53 yarder at the end of the half in Chicago.
So like, and we just understand that the kicking game is a commodity, you roll with the hot, hot hand, and if they like the team and they feel some familiarity with it, let's just roll with it.
Yeah, yeah, I know, you know.
There's certain positions that that couldn't be any less consequential by the way, even in special teams like a punter is actually pretty important.
And you do need a quality guy who can angle in place punts, positional football and change the field position.
Certainly, like that guy actually doesn't matter.
That's why Riley Dixon is important to this team.
But now Eagles was important to the to the Giants, right? Right, Even what Weatherford, right? Like I mean, like, these guys have been having a booming like, there's a really change when you have a bad three and out in your own end and you can launch this thing the other way and switch field present.
Yeah, like that's important.
Kicking. Doesn't matter, you know, wasn't even in the league.
Comes in nine or 10.
Playing very consistent, obviously, were bottom of the barrel in terms of kick off.
Just in case anyone's wondering because we're not scoring points, we're not kicking them away.
Hard to gauge those stats too much, making make anything under 45 yards, and I'm pretty much happy with you. A 50 yarder.
Well, if you make it, it's a bonus.
And let's move on on the last little tidbit here.
That's turnovers, obviously, four on defense, two interceptions, two fumbles, eight total on the offensive side of the ball, Good for minus four.
The my real thing here, for me is, is probably again looking at the defense.
Let's continue to try to get some more turnovers.
Obviously, we know the things we want to clean up on the offensive side of the ball.
Late interception there for Daniel Jones.
But it seems like a silver lining.
We're trending in the right direction there.
Defensively, though, we vote.
We struggled over the last handful of years to get turnovers, and four through four games is basically middle of the road, slightly below average for the NFL standards.
You just got to do a little bit more.
As good as the defense has been, if on some of those nice drive that you're getting stops, you get a couple of interceptions or you get a fumble recovery and really put the offense in a position to get a disappointing field goal, you know, that's what we just need to see a little bit more of, I think, going forward, not by much, but just a little more.
Adam, the one silver lining on the turnover numbers is it's very easy math for United do, which is kind of nice, to be honest, it's what we're averaging.
One turnover by the defense, every game.
And we're giving up to on offense for special teams.
You know, in the in the on the offensive side of the ball and that, you know turnover differential of minus four puts us 25th tied for 25th in the league.
Not great. Not good to your point.
You know, those are the types of things where they do talk about.
You know, if Leonard Williams could get from the Q B pressures and hits to the quarterback and and force more fumbles and try to get Mawr disruptive plays to be able to change the field for the team, it would be huge.
But you know what? That's not really where we're at.
And to be honest with you, you look at the first game against Pittsburgh.
You know, the punt gets ****ed at the two yard line and we still can't put the ball in the end zone.
So you know it would be better to see the turnover differential move up a little bit.
Um, but as you said, the defense is kind of trending middle of the road where they should be.
And by the way, if over, say, the next four games.
The offense has three total turnovers, and the defense gives you four again.
You'll be happy with that right midway point of the season.
You're eight defensively and you're at 11.
And then over the next four games, you know, you just try to bring yourself back down to base.
So you don't wanna put more pressure on the defense because maybe the offensive struggled in a category.
But we know turnover battle obviously has huge implications on winning and losing games, and right now we're on the wrong side of it, so hopefully they get a chance to clean that up.
Let's go Bird's eye view here just in terms of the coaching.
What if we liked? What haven't we like? There's some pretty obvious things we've already touched on some of them.
But over these next four games, what would you like to see? Let's start on the offensive side of the ball right where I think way Wanna Seymour growth in terms of the scheme and how we're approaching gameplay.
Well, when you talk about the offense, you know what? I want to see more of his two things.
I want to see more Zone reads.
I want to seem or designed plays for Daniel Jones to get out in space and use his legs.
He clearly, you know, that is part of his package.
He is a weapon when he gets the ball out in space.
Definitely want to see that.
What? I'd love to see, you know, I was looking at some of the route trees.
You know, I'm getting really deep into things, but here we go.
You don't go percentages, vehicle route trees.
I was gonna route trees and route charts of someone like Evan Ingram and not not to bang on him.
Uh, this is not necessarily an indictment on him, but it looks like he only ran one route up the steam the entire game last week.
And so for me when I start looking at them having all these shallow crosses and these little quick outs like, that's fine.
But Evan Ingram is explosive down the field.
Like if we could get the ball in his hands a little bit Mawr.
That's kind of what I want to see.
I want to see more seen passes.
Everything is to the outside.
And predictably, that's where Daniel Jones could get in trouble where these guys start jumping routes.
If if we're just gonna be doing the same thing, yeah, and I do want to see growth in there.
Not not to get again into the statistical weeds here, but 16% of Daniel Jones passes or considered bad passes.
Bad throws like to see him bring that number down a bit.
He is on target 74 almost 75% of the time, so it goes back to he suffered from eight drops by his receiving corps.
So you know these things work in tandem, and it's really hard on the offensive side when you're you're working in razor thin margins, right? One drop passed by Evan Ingram, one slightly overthrown ball by Daniel Jones looking for Slaten and all the sudden you go from getting into the red zone with a chance to get points to needed to punt it away or on 1/4 down is they've done really well so far to turning the ball over to the other side.
So there's little things there that you want to see cleaned up.
And I I'm holding Reservation on on examining Jason Garrett because it's a new system and everybody is learning new things.
New pieces on this line even you know, arguably new roles for some of the weapons on the outside.
Plus losing, say, Kwan, Barkley and everything else right there.
There's a lot to adjust here.
So I'm really I'm gonna look at these next four weeks, and maybe it's not gonna be about even wins and losses.
But what are the schemes that were running? How is the playbook opening up? More for Daniel Jones to your point.
Do we see him using those legs strategically? More often, as opposed to Out of panic, out of scramble? Yeah, it's been tough.
You know, I'm not overly pleased with the design of a lot of the different plays on offense.
Yeah, it does feel predictable.
Um, you know, But to be honest, you lose Kwan Barkley, Who is your bill and all guy in the back field? Um, Sterling Shepard hasn't been there for a couple of games.
Golden tape, Mr game.
It's just it's been a hodgepodge for Garrett on offense, you know, what I will say on the positive side of coaching is is there's two different things.
I think we can point to that speak well for Joe Judge.
The first one is we're sixth in the league in terms of penalties.
So we're one of the least penalized teams in the league and that shows some discipline, which is something I don't feel like we've had in previous seasons.
So you look at that.
You say we're cleaning up a lot of these mistakes.
A lot of these errors, I think that is hugely important for us.
The second piece of it is we're top 10 in fourth down conversion at 75%.
I know that no well, it's a small sample size.
It's only four weeks.
Well, we've been losing in the fourth quarter of every single game and we've had to make tough calls on fourth down and whichever scheme and whichever time we're going for it.
We seem to be making it more often than not.
So for me it seems like we're very well disciplined and then when it comes down to those fourth down execution things.
The team is going out there and executing well, so when you talk about what you want to see, more of those are the types of things I want to see discipline.
And I want to see us executing in those four thin ones.
Fourth, and choose where you have to get those yards.
Yeah, and I think that that's that is a bright spot for Jason Garrett.
You'd say, right? He's figuring out a way to convert those opportunities.
Go back to the one where they had Daniel Jones tried to run that Q B sneak, and we were talking and may have been a third downplay that we were talking about it.
And I know and this is even a knock on you.
You were like get Daniel Jones in and get those couple of years.
I was like, It's never gonna work.
This is not gonna happen.
And I think that Jason Garrett, you know, he's also learning on the fly about what is effective and what's functional behind Nick Gates or behind Thomas, etcetera.
So those are the things that you're starting to see growth in, and at the very least, those fourth down conversions when defense is have a great opportunity to really shut us down at different points of the game, we've been ableto have success, so we'll keep an eye on that as well.
The quick tip of the capital on the defensive side of the ball.
I think Patrick Graham is doing a fantastic job with limited personnel.
We've highlighted that outside cornerback position, right? Nobody over there to complement Bradbury, and he's still making it work.
I think that what you're what you're really seeing is they're trusting Bradbury.
Obviously, you're trusting Blake Martinez, and then you're even trust Logan Ryan and using him in some different spots.
But you're really saying we're scheming our way to try toe protect against the exposure on the other side of the field there.
And for Giants fans.
Don't forget, this is a ways away, but McKinney is going to come back this year, and that is drastically going to impact where Logan Ryan can get utilized where Julian Love can get utilized and even Jabrill Peppers.
So there's a mechanism here that we don't even know how it's gonna help us, and that's why going back to Dave Gettleman said.
Bringing in these different cast of characters across the field.
Keep running them through and see if you can get a guy that offers some level of consistency, because after the bye week we may have another really valuable, versatile weapon in the vein of what we think chipotle Peppers can. Maybe dio.
But the next level of that right, the pure athlete put them everywhere, Do everything for you.
Yeah, I mean, we got to keep trying until we figure something else out.
We can't keep rolling out the same guy that gets burned every single play, and and then we'd be looking and saying, Well, what's the GM? What's the coach doing? We've got to make adjustments and at the very least, they're trying everything they can, given the cir***stance.
So yeah, brighter spots ahead before we before we move into our final phase here, Is there anything? Is there anything in terms of the roster that you want to see change over the next four games on either side of the ball in terms of who's getting the reps? I mean, we've already seen right Ballentine trending down nearly off the field here looks like Take Crowder.
Got a sniff this past game and and everyone's remarks around him.
Or he's just an athlete, right? An athlete of the linebacker position, something that Blake Martinez isn't.
And they're gonna knock on Blake Martinez.
He does things very well because he's a high motor, high focused, high intelligence guy.
And take Crowder offers you just pure athleticism.
Get out there and make some plays for us.
Is there anything on either side? Obviously offensive line that you maybe want to see some higher reps for players? Well, the only other thing I could think about that I would like to see is we can't really run the ball very effectively, So we need to start manufacturing plays that give us the illusion of running the ball.
It was the same type of progression down the field as running the ball.
I mean, like I talked about the zone reads is one way to do it.
I wouldn't even mind going 55 wide receiver sets or, you know, four and Ingram or you know, three wide receivers and and Lewis out there in some space just to give us some different looks.
Even if it gets us three or four yards, but I think we need to just get a little bit more creative with that piece of it.
The other side of it is is this the wide receiving corps for the rest of the year? Is this what we're gonna dio like? Are we not gonna make any any decisions? You know? Listen, it's fine if if people clamor for, um you know Mohammed Sunu, who just got released by San Francisco, who also got released by New England, who like he's been released by two teams that air Justus desperate to get your help as we are.
So at this point, like, I think that ship has sailed.
But yeah, to your point, you talk about any any of the moves.
Is there anyone coming in that You see? Well, let's start there first.
Yeah, because my only other thing pre deadline moves would be saying You gotta watch Hernandez over the next couple of games and possibly consider taking a look at a shame Lamu and adjusting something there because if Thomas is struggling and he has, you got to figure out what's the combination here and we're ready in year three for Hernandez.
So from a roster starter standpoint, that's the big one that stands out to May.
Now here at the trade deadline.
Listen, we talked about it last week around Golden Tate.
I get the delicate balance of, you know, maintaining some presence in value in the wide receiver corps.
But if I don't see uptrend four Golden Tate and production and being the veteran safety valve for Daniel Jones over the next 123 weeks, then maybe and even if I see a you know, a small sample size, but you go okay, but it's still not really moving the needle for us.
I think you have to maybe consider throwing him out there.
I don't know if you get any value because the news getting released like it maybe relative the same pot.
The other guy, obviously, is.
We've beaten this drum a lot.
I really think if you wanna hold onto a veteran presence like Golden Tate and you don't want to strip it away, you mentioned the high percentage that he's getting looks on offense.
If you're not converting, it makes it seem unlikely that they would move away from him.
But again, if he shows a little sample size, I think maybe you have to consider moving off of them with the fifth year option.
You know that you're getting a season a half worth of value to a team that might look to get him.
Uh, that's probably one of the only couple of spots.
There's not a lot of options in terms of, Hey, who do you want to move on from here? You know, defensively, Offensively, in terms of bringing players, I I think what we've seen to this point is what you're gonna get right looking to grab a guy off a practice squad somewhere, continuing to bring in players to sample size.
It's not the Antonio Brown's out of the free agency market, and I don't know what teams would be.
You might look and say, you know, a great example just came to me.
If they were having a bad season, if they were getting off to the bad start that everyone thought they were going Thio, then you start to look at their receiving corps and you say, you know, okay, Shark Junior, He's automatically you know he's the number one, They're quote unquote, but what about a channel, right.
Maybe he has some value and is a nice, multi functional weapon that you want to bring in.
If those guys were trending in the wrong direction, maybe you could look to get some value off a bad roster like that.
But there's not a lot of examples of that around the league right now, So I don't even know if the Giants were considering bringing in something to help supplement the wide receiver corps.
Maybe specifically, that seems to be the biggest spot, right? How can we get the receiving court better knowing that it's gonna be at least Week six before we see Sterling Shepard back on the field? I I don't know what the option.
I don't think a lot of options.
I guess the point, cause most teams will be looking to do that.
The fact that Sanou has bounced around to a couple of spots, it really goes to show you how thin the options are there and really, how willing teams are.
Maybe over the next couple of weeks it changes how certain teams look at their season.
Yeah, the only place that I'm looking at an outgoing talent, and this is a tough one, and I don't know how feasible it is, given the construction of the roster.
But you know, Jabrill Peppers is coming up for a contract extension and they're gonna have a great one.
Quite a bit of money.
And they just locked up Bradbury that just blocked up.
They've got to give a contract.
Either Leonard Williams or or Dalvin Tomlinson, right? They just drafted Xavier McKinney.
They have Julian love, you know, they just brought in Logan Ryan, who? Everyone is now talking about this not being a one year rental, and maybe he wants to stick around and finished his career with the New York Giants.
I know it's probably not popular, considering we used him as the big chip in the Odell Beckham trade, but he might be someone that you look at and you say If we're not going to sign him long term, what can I get for him? That competing team would want right now, knowing that he has that versatility, he is still young, and they could sign him to a longer contract.
No, 100% I said this at the time of the draft, Right? When we drafted McKinney, I said, Listen, that's the writing on the wall for for a second contract for Peppers.
Because no matter what, you're gonna look at McKinney and say, Okay, let's see what he does over the first four years of his career and then we'll give him the big deal.
He's our in house guy that we drafted etcetera for Peppers as talented he had, as he has been.
Even in that trade.
I think it's OK to say, What do we get back? We got back some stopgap pieces because that's how depleted our roster was.
So I'm okay with that now.
What can you get for him out there on the market, especially with something as little nagging injuries would be interesting to see.
But I think that a championship caliber team that maybe is a little bit thin on the back end of their defense, they could certainly come calling for peppers and I don't know.
You know what 1/4 round pick ring your bell for you? Would that be enough for you to move off of him? And unfortunately, I'll say the secondary pieces in order to move on from him by week eight, you're gonna get yourself just a little bit of a gap there where you don't have someone on the back end while you wait for McKinnon to come off of injury.
So that's probably the only three.
Only hinderance to making a move like that is you don't know that McKinney is healthy and ready to go this year.
Not about big picture, but just, you know, having those reps there.
Then you're talking about bringing up Sean Chandler for a couple of weeks to fill that gap.
Well, the the other piece of it that we still have not figured out yet is dribble peppers place strong safety.
And we have a lot of good free safeties on the team in terms of Julian Love, Logan, Ryan, Xavier McKinney.
So we don't really have a like for like, you know, you trade peppers.
You kind of have toe massage our safety positions to make it work.
And now going back to last year and the sample size was small and relative.
But But Julian Love did fill in for peppers when he got injured last year, so I think that the quickest like for Like would be saying, Julian Love better, Better utilized.
Probably it's strong safety than he is at free safety anyway, because he's a little bit bigger.
You like him and run support a little bit Mawr.
So that would probably be the move you make and just around it out.
A couple of things I mentioned earlier about the contracts for potentially Leonard Williams or Dalvin Tomlinson.
If you're not giving out big money to Peppers, then maybe you get to say, Do we want to bring back both of these players and be really thick and strong up front on the defensive line? That would be Dave Gettleman vision and then the secondary.
Part of it is to you.
You have to just look at Peppers and say, What's the real impact value here? Right? And if we look at another roster that needs him, what can we get back? Not not even assets.
Let's talk about player.
Let's talk about getting maybe a guy that's, Ah, high three borderline to cornerback.
Maybe we can go on.
Just do a swap like that where we're technically giving up value, right? We're getting the lesser side of the deal.
But for the second half of the season, as McKinney comes back, if we get stronger on the other side across from Bradbury, that could be worth it for us, especially if it's a younger player, that maybe you see potential upside and development over the next two years of a contract.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.
I think we just need assets.
And whether they're younger or cheaper or, you know, giving us promise for the future, any any type of those assets is fine with me.
Yeah, just give me something, Just give me anything.
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I think we did the dang thing, and I feel pretty good about it.
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