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00:00:02
And with that, we welcome back to protect your news.
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N B a.
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All right, Margaret, That's Matt Brooks.
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And of course, we're talking NBA Finals.
00:00:08
How are you, sir? On.
00:00:09
Ah, on a Tuesday morning.
00:00:11
I'm good.
00:00:12
I'm good.
00:00:13
Very excited to do this today.
00:00:14
Been moving the last couple of days, so my my set up has changed.
00:00:18
My aura has not that I'm ready to go.
00:00:22
E o Brooks.
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Oh, we come in.
00:00:27
Obviously.
00:00:28
You know where they have out from the Game three between the Heat and the Lakers.
00:00:32
Where Miami, in spite of not having drops not having been on a bio, managed to pull off a win over the Lakers.
00:00:39
It kind of felt like after those injuries, you be talking about circling the drain.
00:00:43
In some ways, they get that win.
00:00:45
And now we're ahead of tonight.
00:00:46
Game four, which obviously becomes, You know, you win that Game three.
00:00:50
That's great.
00:00:51
But if you lose tonight, it's all basically the same.
00:00:53
It's all the same difference, right? If you go down 31 the series is still effectively over from from Miami standpoint.
00:01:01
Um, yeah.
00:01:02
No, I agree with that.
00:01:03
And I think that you're not gonna have a sloppy start from the Lakers the way you did this last game.
00:01:09
So So for for them, I think you're gonna get a more consistent performance.
00:01:15
And for Miami, I just worry you kind of need the performance.
00:01:17
You just got out of Jimmy pretty much every single game.
00:01:20
Like from here on out, Essentially, because I just don't I still don't know where the scoring comes from.
00:01:25
Yeah, one of only a handful of times an MBA Finals history where someone's gone for a 40 plus point triple double performance, as Jimmy did and it was huge, obviously carried the load there for them, especially in the absence of a couple players now coming in bam out of bio upgraded to questionable Theus.
00:01:40
Assumption is that he goes tonight because if your questionable, it probably means that you can fight through it.
00:01:45
So you have his presence.
00:01:47
There can can be a help for them from a big standpoint.
00:01:50
Um, how much can that can that move the needle in this game before? Because they did lose the first two with him in the lineup.
00:01:56
And then there are other pieces on Miami that they utilized in Game three to try to mitigate the loss of Bama's.
00:02:02
Well, I don't know.
00:02:05
It doesn't feel like the best Siris for him in a lot of ways.
00:02:08
Just because you basically have a guy that's a lot like him, but does everything better than him right now, except for passing.
00:02:14
But on the other end of the floor, like so I think that I think it's a tough Siris for him.
00:02:20
I get you know where he gets to.
00:02:23
Yeah, yeah, no Daniel types here.
00:02:26
So and I also think like he has been injured through really throw this entire Siri's.
00:02:32
And it's just been one thing after another.
00:02:34
So it's kind of hard for me to get a feel of like, what version of Obama we're gonna get like, Did he really just need that extra day off and is like This is gonna be the best He looks in the Siri's.
00:02:44
I don't know.
00:02:45
I'm you know, he's a he's a fighter and he's a battler, and it's weird with guys like that sometimes, um, because they want to play so badly and they just battle so hard.
00:02:55
Um, I'm not sure which type of how how effective he's gonna be necessarily because he's so tough about playing.
00:03:03
Well, that's so the way I the way I look at it, was if you're Miami, you say If you go out there and play in Game three, maybe you could have fought through something, but it could actually be to the detriment of the overall result of the game.
00:03:13
So we're going to risk it and see if we can get steal a game here, and then you can come back a little bit healthier.
00:03:17
But to your point, when guys air dinged up like that, there is the risk reward of you play them.
00:03:23
But they're not 100% 100% version of themselves.
00:03:26
And whatever diminished version you get can end up costing you in a couple of key possessions or a couple of key spots where you're normally relying on him defensively to be in a certain position or on the offensive end.
00:03:36
And then all of a sudden you're you're pivoting.
00:03:38
If you're Spoelstra and saying, Well, I kind of earmarked you for 25 minutes in this game now looks like it's gonna be 15.
00:03:44
Where am I getting those extra handful of minutes going? Going back a step here, though, that to that Game three.
00:03:49
You talked about it last time we were on in terms of what were the adjustments? You thought that that Miami could look to me now Leonard went into the starting lineup for them on Lee.
00:03:59
Effectively played 13 minutes, though.
00:04:01
You also had Kelly Olynyk, though, giving you 31 a couple of the things that that happened really in favor of the Lakers.
00:04:07
You mentioned it.
00:04:08
Uh, sorry in the favor of Miami Lakers, Very sloppy. With the ball early.
00:04:12
You get Anthony Davis in early foul.
00:04:14
Trouble is, Well, I looked at a Kelly Olynyk who really understands what his role is, right? He understands what his value is, and that's just be a body annoy Anthony Davis force, you know, foursome issues, even for Dwight Howard.
00:04:26
Just just be physical and mix it up with these guys because again the like for like of if Kelly Olynyk picking up four fouls over three, you know, 2.
00:04:33
5 3 quarters. Fine.
00:04:35
As long as you've gotten some of you guys into foul trouble.
00:04:37
So that seemed to be at least a small recipe for success for Spoelstra getting a little bit bigger.
00:04:43
Do you think that, though, Can Spoelstra is? Repeat that because again we're still hinging on Jimmy Butler having that otherworldly performance.
00:04:52
Can you go right back to the well if you're Spoelstra, or do you have tow Have a This was my Game three tactic to try to steal this one and now have to pivot to an entirely new strategy because you assume Vogel in the Lakers are going to counter that.
00:05:05
Yeah, if I were him, I would I would probably play them at the four, and I would I would just size up throughout the entire game.
00:05:11
I know Meyers Leonard didn't play a ton, but just even having like, it's like because both of those guys can shoot.
00:05:17
It's not like you're hurting your offense.
00:05:19
You're actually putting guys out there that are, you know, maybe not the quality of the Duncan Robinson or Tyler hero, but I think both of those guys can shoot about as well as Jae Crowder s.
00:05:30
So I think that that's what you're putting out there to a degree is just trying to find guys that it could just be a little bigger, like just match them in that way.
00:05:38
That's always been the move I've been looking at, and I think that's been the the obvious adjustment.
00:05:43
But they were gonna make throughout the entirety of this Siri's even, you know, sure, they might play things standard in Game one and see if their style you know, their regular style flummoxes the Lakers.
00:05:52
Um, it doesn't so this is your time now toe to read and react to that and actually try to put out a product that I think can maybe give the Lakers a little bit of trouble.
00:06:01
But at the very least, match up with them and then the other piece to that I go after that is, and I don't know why I keep coming back to him.
00:06:08
I really I'm or I have to ask for your whatever level deeper.
00:06:13
You could take this on a Robinson.
00:06:16
What is his value on both ends of the floor? Because there's a handful of games throughout the playoffs and then specifically in this Siri's where when I look at his percentages, I when he's hitting great, but when he's not.
00:06:29
I just feel like there has to be a better value there for the Miami Heat, even just from a matchup standpoint.
00:06:36
And specifically, though, I wonder about the defensive end and that's I'm leaning on you for.
00:06:39
Does he have value on the defensive end for them? And that's why you live with a streaky nous, because otherwise, I think that's another position that they should be looking at about tweaking how you approach the start of this game.
00:06:50
Yeah, I I my issue with him Is he fouled so much.
00:06:53
I think he really has an issue with fouling.
00:06:55
Like, every time I'm watching him on defense, it's he's falling for a you know, a pump fake or stuff like that, which is just like comes off is really undisciplined.
00:07:04
And I think that that's like, kind of where he's at right now.
00:07:07
Um, 20.
00:07:08
I mean, most people that watch this team say he's actually improved a lot defensively, so that kind of gives you an idea.
00:07:15
Um, he's long.
00:07:17
Yeah, I mean, he's long like I think he could be kind of like a Kyle Korver where you know Korver will like.
00:07:23
He's not the quickest guy on the floor, but he's tall enough that he can at least, like, sort of stay on you and he's not gonna lock you down.
00:07:29
But he'll, you know, he'll just be in front of you.
00:07:32
I think that that's where we could get to a Duncan Robinson.
00:07:35
But yeah, I mean, if if he's the way he is on defense and it's hard for guys like him to get shots off, it just is like the ****her you go in the playoffs, the better these teams get defensively, the more prepared they are for, like, these catch and shoot guys, that sure Duncan Robinson can receive looks off a lot of different plays.
00:07:53
You know he could receive.
00:07:54
You know, the skip pass across the court.
00:07:57
He could get that, especially those handoffs from Bam.
00:08:00
You know, maybe take that one dribble, three pointer.
00:08:02
But the Lakers? No, he's coming like they and especially on a roster right now that's so depleted.
00:08:08
I think that, yeah, if if he is the way he is on defense and he's just sort of getting smothered, then it's a tricky spot, do you? And that's unfortunately I think obviously you look at Miami, you think some of the parts here, but specifically going back to Game three.
00:08:24
When you say 40 point performance from from Jimmy Butler, you get 17 from Hero 13 from Robinson on a relatively bad shooting night.
00:08:32
Uh, you know again, Kelly Olynyk.
00:08:34
Really? Seven rebounds, 17 points, a couple of steals.
00:08:37
You know, every everything about his game was probably is crucial from a support role behind Jimmy.
00:08:43
Anybody else on that roster? When you flip over, then to the Lakers side of things, is there anything to because, Okay, you start out with Anthony Davis only takes nine shots, and I actually here's my biggest problem with his game.
00:08:58
Still played 33 minutes in this one in spite of getting into early foul trouble, 15 points.
00:09:02
The problem for me is to free throw attempts.
00:09:04
So what? Because this really When I backed it up, here's what I thought, because everything about LeBron James in the postgame interview afterwards.
00:09:12
I mean, he was pretty livid about it.
00:09:14
And, you know, the best thing that I could assume was that, of course, and of course, went right to ah guy like, uh like Dwight Howard.
00:09:23
Where I go, you know, you got a lot of guys.
00:09:25
Now.
00:09:26
Rondo understands the situation, but even Anthony Davis, you're young.
00:09:29
First experience in the finals.
00:09:30
Dwight Howard.
00:09:31
Bit of a goof, just kind of having a good time wait for that ring to come in.
00:09:34
I don't think that the team collectively came into game number three with the level of intensity that you're supposed Thio when you can basically closed the Siri's out early if you shut, if you shut down the Miami Heat.
00:09:45
So I think it was frustration from LeBron in that regard.
00:09:48
But if you're Anthony Davis and you get two foul trouble, that's fine.
00:09:51
But you can still get downhill on attacking the basket.
00:09:54
You could have the exact same game that he had there.
00:09:57
Go to the line 10 times and then you're still putting up 20 plus points.
00:10:00
You're still supplementing LeBron's game, so it's not how concerning it is.
00:10:04
But is it? Is it frustrating if you're LeBron James and you look at a guy that's top five player in the league and he comes out relatively flat, relatively inconsistent in a crucial third game? Yeah, I mean, That's still kind of a little bit of story with a D Is the consistency night tonight? Um, I don't know.
00:10:25
Yeah, it just It kind of feels like after those big nights, he's not a guy that's gonna come out and kind of do it again all the way, like he's going to do it in the like, Oh, I'm feeling really good.
00:10:35
So I'm gonna settle into that jumper like that's always his Like I'm feeling great right now.
00:10:40
We're gonna take jumpers like this is I'm writing this heat check, which is, like, normal for a player like I don't know, you know, like a Damian Lillard or somebody like that.
00:10:50
But for him, it's like it's tough because I think that he's always, I mean, think about how he's been the whole his whole career, about playing the five about all these things like, I don't think he loves the physicality aspect of it.
00:11:03
Now that doesn't make him soft, because I think that that's different.
00:11:07
I think for him like he's gone through a lot of injuries, especially as a young player, and I think he had, you know, a lot of it's just he wants to preserve his body.
00:11:16
He's got a big contract coming up this summer.
00:11:18
Um, so for him, I think that's always been kind of his defining characteristic is that yes, he can do it.
00:11:26
He can play like a totally, you know, just like, brutal brutalizing center if he wants to be.
00:11:34
But it's not gonna come from them every night, especially after those big nights.
00:11:37
And you would think, though again, if your preferences, I could be playing the five.
00:11:40
But I prefer the four you go Well, we can live.
00:11:42
Then we can live with that because you're gonna be dominant physical presence at the four.
00:11:46
You can't at the four.
00:11:47
Yes and yeah, and also satisfied with your role.
00:11:50
But and you mentioned it to their about like a guy like game Lillard.
00:11:53
I think that guards typically right and even small forward, But guards are usually guys where well, um, I gonna when I drive into the bucket tonight or am I worked in my perimeter game and it feels like that's OK to make those choices, because again, Dame Lillard, if you're going to the basket, that's great.
00:12:06
But it's not like your physical presence.
00:12:08
You're just able to get past your defender and get to the hoop. Whereas Anthony Davis.
00:12:12
It's supposed to be that 95% of the time you have the advantage in the matchup down low, like you should always be able to use that, even if it is just the tones better over the 1st 345 minutes of a game.
00:12:25
And then you can start to expand your game out and always be forcing the defense to adjust.
00:12:29
The other thing that I look at on the Lakers side of things going from game to to Game three.
00:12:35
There was also a shift here in terms of Green and KCP.
00:12:39
They had really nice performances in game to Game three.
00:12:42
They combined just one of 11 just seven points together.
00:12:46
Now, technically, you go inside the bench and you get 25 23 minutes from Morrison Kuzma.
00:12:52
They each give you 19 points, so, you know, saying like for like, Hey, we shifted the points around.
00:12:57
Is there a difference between Green and KCP having success from the floor as opposed Thio? I think Koosman makes sense, but Morris, that's a bubble of performance you don't get that from him consistently.
00:13:11
So does that throw off the rhythm of the Lakers in a game like that where you're not getting at least consistency from your starting players there and maybe not even green.
00:13:20
Maybe it's really KCP that we're looking at.
00:13:22
Um, no, actually, I'm gonna push back on that.
00:13:24
I think that's kind of how they're built, right? Like these aren't exceptional players night tonight, like they come together and play really well.
00:13:32
So I don't want to take anything away from how the Lakers like the Lakers players themselves because they come together and they know exactly who they are.
00:13:40
They've had a really strong identity since the beginning, and it's been a defensive identity offensively, You know what you're getting.
00:13:46
It's a two man team, and then all you really need is 15 points from a guy like Kyle Kuzma.
00:13:52
15 points from you know, a guy like whatever from a KCP, and it doesn't necessarily all to be on the same night.
00:13:59
So that's kind of the beauty of the Lakers.
00:14:01
Now.
00:14:02
The issue really comes down to if one of their stars doesn't show up.
00:14:06
That's when you start to feel through the the fact that oh, Danny Green didn't have a great game.
00:14:13
Okay, CPI didn't have a great game.
00:14:15
So it is funny, like and it's actually really.
00:14:17
It goes to show you how great LeBron and a D have been in these playoffs, where it's like, you know, the one game where 80 doesn't show up.
00:14:25
They Lewis Thio Miami team that's missing two of their three best players.
00:14:31
I mean it zone.
00:14:32
It's funny how they're built that way.
00:14:34
Last last question on the Laker side of things, I think, is also I look at Dwight Howard mentioned before 15 minutes to of to from the floor for four points and three rebounds.
00:14:43
Now, you know, games are constructed a little bit strangely sometimes, like LeBron getting 10 rebounds.
00:14:49
That could be a product of timely rebounding, and you're you know, Dwight Howard is boxing out or doing some of the other things, but this again points Thio.
00:14:58
That feels like you're not expected to do what Anthony Davis is doing.
00:15:01
But you still have a very important role here and started to take over the minute shares from a JaVale McGee at the back end of the last Siri's and into the finals.
00:15:10
That's another show up.
00:15:11
Small performance.
00:15:12
Now They shifted into when you think about those minutes form or for Cruz MMA, even for you had Rondo and then also Caruso getting those big minutes off the bench.
00:15:19
So they chose to go away from using some of those big specifically when once Anthony Davis gets into foul trouble, it shakes up that dynamic of having the four or five combo with those two players.
00:15:32
But again, isn't that a concern from an L.
00:15:35
A standpoint that you physically are bigger and stronger, It so many positions and you somehow allow it to get away like allow Jimmy Butler to go for a triple double like That's fine.
00:15:43
Like, the Lakers could actually let Jimmy Butler do that every single game, and they should still be ableto win comfortably because you're doing it everywhere else.
00:15:51
So I just again it's the role players thing, and I go back to how LeBron seem to react.
00:15:55
That isn't being like Sorry, fellas.
00:15:58
Did you not realize where we were? Did you not? And also, by the way, the little caveat is that some people were saying jokingly and I think you have to take Miami seriously, but that this extends the timeline for being in the bubble like this extends how long we have to be there.
00:16:10
There's a longer break.
00:16:11
Now You're all the way to Friday, potentially before you win a championship.
00:16:13
Like I think that maybe that was in LeBron's brain was like, Do I want to get out of here on Wednesday? I want to be out of here by you know, by Tuesday night I wanna go.
00:16:21
Thank you so much.
00:16:22
Love the ring.
00:16:23
Getting back my family now, right? Yeah.
00:16:25
It will be like, Hey, guys.
00:16:26
So I think I'm better than Jordan.
00:16:28
Now.
00:16:29
I'll see you, like, just just anger everybody in a postgame conference and the dip not dealing right now.
00:16:36
I mean, yeah, that's funny to think about.
00:16:42
I haven't I hadn't really thought of that, but yeah, I'm sure they're losing their minds with being in there and just there's, you know, I mean, there's football on.
00:16:50
There's there's ah, lot of it's it's sort of feeling normal out here in the really world.
00:16:55
So eso I'm sure that every other sports is getting on planes and going about their still ****ing to sing you a little location.
00:17:03
Yeah.
00:17:04
I mean, it's lots changed since they went into that bubble like really like outs out here.
00:17:08
I think lots changed.
00:17:09
So, um, so I know.
00:17:10
I mean, I think for them like, yeah, it's a e Can't really read too much into it like them losing this way in Game three because I do think that they're considerably the better team.
00:17:23
And I think even, I mean, it's funny.
00:17:26
We talked about LeBron not being able to put up these 40 50 point performances every single night.
00:17:31
At this point, I've always felt that way about Jimmy Butler.
00:17:35
Like I was shocked to see that stat line be like, Wow, that is how many times do you get 40 at it? Jimmy Butler anymore? Well, that's the other thing, too.
00:17:44
And I think because I always wonder, I remember what they said.
00:17:47
He goes down to Miami, and of course, the representation is on.
00:17:51
I've bought in completely to Spoelstra into the system and you go well, yeah, I agree with you and you buy into it because it's working right like you're buying into it because you're winning in the playoffs and you're making to the finals.
00:18:03
Sure.
00:18:04
And then you get to this place.
00:18:06
But I still I think we talked about this going back to pre Jimmy Butler, going from Minnesota to Philly when that was starting to get talked about.
00:18:14
I remember saying I was like, Good God, like the last guy I want I would want if I was Philadelphia.
00:18:20
I wanna bring I want to bring in Jimmy Butler just to totally ransacked this roster to and then over that small sample sizes.
00:18:26
But that small sample size it was I was like, Oh, my God.
00:18:29
Yeah, he did. Yes, he did.
00:18:31
He did, But yes, it did.
00:18:33
Ultimately do it.
00:18:34
But I ironically, as opposed to in Minnesota, where you like where you had the sense of all these young players.
00:18:39
And you're you're kind of just, you know, really crapping all over them and your demoralizing your own teammates.
00:18:46
Maybe that's kind of what ends up happening in Philly.
00:18:48
But on the back end of it, the big picture in Philly you go.
00:18:51
Yeah, well, you kind of probably kind of Yeah, like, you know, different expectations in Minnesota, you didn't have this.
00:18:59
This bar set for you in Philadelphia is like they were supposed to playoff team on the back.
00:19:02
You go? Yeah, and beats Simmons like what the heck? Yeah, and both those teams were good.
00:19:07
Like, let's not.
00:19:08
I did a whole 15 minutes stream on this, just just rambling to myself about Jimmy Butler's career.
00:19:14
Um, like both Those teams were good.
00:19:17
Philly was good.
00:19:18
They were a bounce away from potentially making it to the playoffs.
00:19:21
I think that bucks six years, would have been awesome last year, and that and that Sixers team was a lot better than people remember like everybody thinks of them. Is this disaster.
00:19:30
It's like, Yeah, they didn't fit perfectly But man, they were really talented from top to bottom.
00:19:34
And Jimmy Butler was like, exceptional in the playoffs like really, really, really good.
00:19:39
Their big problem was that and be the conditioning thing like that.
00:19:42
Was there their biggest thing night tonight and and they just didn't know how to use Simmons ever so.
00:19:48
But they were good and then you look at the that Minnesota team, um they were, I believe, a three seed on target for 53 54 wins.
00:20:00
I believe, um so and doing that in the West with a team again that didn't fit great, like you had him and Towns. That was fine.
00:20:10
That was a good to man action.
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But then you had, like him and Wiggins, who always really overlapped.
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And then it turned out Wiggins wasn't even good in the first place.
00:20:17
It was It was weird like that.
00:20:21
That roster is, well, where you're kind of like man like that.
00:20:23
That's not that good of a team like Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, uh, Karl Anthony Towns, Jeff Teague, Andrew Wiggins and, like, no bench.
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It's like, Yeah, that team.
00:20:35
That team isn't very good and they were a three seat until he got hurt.
00:20:39
Jimmy Butler? Well, then, because then let's think about it from that standpoint to because Minnesota in Philadelphia, a great examples of this right? You have got arguably on paper.
00:20:47
You go to Minnesota, you'd say, Well, Karl Anthony, towns, you should be the best player on this team and Jimmy Butler should be your you know, Robin, which is a bad way to frame it.
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But the problem is in Karl Anthony Towns career.
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You've never seen him be, Ah, leader.
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He's not.
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He's not the true leader vocal leader of this team.
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So when you bring the Jimmy Butler, it starts to muddle things.
00:21:08
Because, Jimmy.
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But hey, listen, I am an Alfa. I do.
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I'll take on the role.
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If it doesn't exist already on this team, you go to Philadelphia.
00:21:15
Same thing even worse in some ways, because I think, indeed has been better in his career to this point.
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Then Carl and any towns has been.
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You have Simmons.
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You have the young superstar players and they're not, Ah, vocal leader.
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They're not taking the reins, and neither one of them is willing to cede it.
00:21:30
It's always a problem like, Well, well, Butler and NB got along really well.
00:21:35
That's the thing that's kind of lost in all of this is like it's like people I don't know. I feel like that.
00:21:40
Like, the thing in Philly was never an M B thing.
00:21:42
I think it was a Simmons thing where they just like I'm assuming it's the shooting thing, right? What else are you not gonna like about Ben Simmons? I'm just thinking it's that you're not created shooting a basketball.
00:21:52
Don't shoot.
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I mean, in a game that involves shooting, I don't know.
00:21:57
Well, I'm sorry.
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No, no.
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But s so And you're right, though.
00:22:00
So if you have a positive dynamic between and Beat and Butler, But I guess so my point is is like, you end up still creating tension there.
00:22:06
And I don't know if that really existed in Philly or if it's just a product off, and Simmons doesn't shoot really well.
00:22:11
But you still have to look at it and go.
00:22:12
All of a sudden, Jimmy Butler comes in and you say, OK, now it's Embiid Butler.
00:22:17
Simmons, Harris.
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You know, like Simmons, you're getting bumped down the totem pole here.
00:22:21
In some ways, once Jimmy Butler shows up, it's good for the team.
00:22:24
Maybe not great for chemistry.
00:22:26
Yeah, but they had creeks.
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They had a weird click thing where it was like Bretton and Simmons were a click.
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And then it was Embiid who talks about JJ Red**** like he's his favorite team mate ever.
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And be Red**** and Jimmy Butler.
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And then you have whatever the Tobias Harris.
00:22:42
I don't know what he said.
00:22:43
It's weird.
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It's like I've never heard of a team of that.
00:22:46
I mean, I have.
00:22:47
But it was a well, I would say I've heard and I've heard of these teams not being successful.
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Like I've heard of a lot of successful teams that are built like this.
00:22:55
And then to your point, like you think about and beat and Butler Get along and be Loves JJ Red**** and Brett Brown, it seemed to be the proverbial coach on the hot seat for so many years.
00:23:05
It's like, Boy, how filly comes out of that season. It doesn't say.
00:23:09
I'll tell you what I'd like to dio.
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I like to bring back Jimmy Butler.
00:23:12
We love him bead.
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I'm gonna bring back JJ Red**** because and be loves him, and then I'm gonna We're and we're gonna ship off Simmons or at least gonna get rid of Brett Brown and bring in somebody else and say, Hey, how do we make these players work? What do we need to do to make this fix? Instead, you're like, No, we're going to stay with all these guys that maybe don't necessarily fit well together from a team standpoint and have their different ideas, and we're gonna get rid of either the very least.
00:23:34
You gotta bring back JJ Red**** because it keeps him being.
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I like JJ Red**** bring him back cause I enjoyed him like those of the small moves you're supposed to make.
00:23:42
Then when you get to Miami, and I guess this is the the summation of it is that then when Butler gets to Miami and he's an Alfa and he can get into that little bit of a chest to chest with hero in practice and hero response to that, there is no other Alfa male like people are ready to let him be the visual presence off Miami.
00:24:02
It's Jimmy Butler in Miami.
00:24:04
The amount of bio plays great hero plays great all of these pieces.
00:24:07
But that's what seems to make this be so effective for Miami Is that at least at this point of their careers, nobody else was ready to take on that mantle right of being the vocal leader on that team, you had a guy like Iguodala like, and he came in late anyway, but a nice piece of veteran presence.
00:24:24
But that's kind of where Jimmy Butler fits perfectly.
00:24:27
What? You need someone to be this aggressive, dominant, focus kind of guy on a team that lacks that specifically and doesn't have players that maybe think that they should or could be that guy.
00:24:38
Well, I think like the big difference is like I mean, even Tyler hero like Tyler hero, I guarantee you thinks of himself is like a top 20 player right now.
00:24:45
Like I like that is that guy has that type of that type of I don't know if you saw if you saw his facial expression from game Yes, game, you know Z Top 20 like there's no way so on DSO, which is great.
00:25:00
I mean, that's part of his his game is that confidence that never seems to stop.
00:25:06
So I mean, look, you have somebody like him where really confident guy, Um, a definitely an Alfa personality, But he responds well to a Jimmy Butler.
00:25:17
Now you like, compare that to Karl Anthony towns who I like.
00:25:20
I wasn't in that locker room, I don't know, but it certainly seems like he didn't respond well to it.
00:25:25
I don't think he, like, took that in stride, and it had helped him become a better player.
00:25:30
And I mean, to be honest with you, like if you look at where this Heat team is right now, you kind of have to be like, Hey, I think Jimmy Butler was on to something like clearly what Jimmy Butler does works for young guys and I don't I And I even think like with a look at how and be played this year and being played, they played with zero heart.
00:25:51
You didn't do anything and it's like it kind of shows you I'm like, man, Look, you could like I get it.
00:25:56
It's not gonna work for everybody, But if you can kind of put your ego aside and like, understand that this guy is competitive and he is gonna take you up to that next level.
00:26:04
Um, I think it could make a big change that could really enhance your career.
00:26:09
If you're a young player, an organizationally, whether you're Minnesota, your Philadelphia, you know, and like you say that relationship was good with him.
00:26:16
Beat, But stay with Carly towns.
00:26:17
Ah, head coach GM.
00:26:19
Somebody's got to go down to Karl Anthony towns, Or, I guess at the time, it was.
00:26:23
It was God.
00:26:25
Give me a Chicago head coach.
00:26:27
Thank you.
00:26:29
Tim Thibodeaux had to go to Karl Anthony towns and be like, Hey, there's really value in what Jimmy Butler, you know, in what he's doing with you in practice or how he's pushing you.
00:26:40
Try to absorb it, It's gonna expand your game.
00:26:42
It's gonna make you better.
00:26:43
I think you have Thio organizationally say there's a reason why we brought this guy in.
00:26:48
There's a reason there's an impact that he's gonna have for us beyond just points on the court that we can that we can take in and have it elevate our game collectively as a team and as individuals, because Karl Anthony towns to this point still remains the darling of the franchise and unfortunately, ah, team, that's gonna muddle and kind of the middle of the pack.
00:27:05
And I don't know if you're ever gonna get that next level of his game in the fall.
00:27:09
Further in regards to what happens for Miami in these Finals.
00:27:12
The beautiful thing for them is, and I'm not even you know you wanna go.
00:27:16
They bring in Yanis.
00:27:17
Okay, great, Yes, Jimmy Butler's impact on Yanis would probably be insane because it be the same thing within beat of just being like, Hey, man, come on.
00:27:25
You're the physical, You're the dominant.
00:27:26
You're the alphago.
00:27:27
Go kill this team right now.
00:27:29
But whoever they choose into bringing through free agency, I think that you can then going forward, say, Hey, Butler, we know your big your big advantages defensively, that presence that fight you on that end of the floor, you could become a secondary scorer offensively to Player X that we bring in.
00:27:46
And that's even gonna elevate your role even more going to next year.
00:27:48
So I just, you know, Miami is in such a sweet spot with Jimmy Butler being like, Hey, man, can you come in and be the face of this franchise for a season? And then let's see where we stand in the off season and you can still be kind of the face and the the representation of physical presence and, you know, whatever the toughness, the grit, all those intangible things that can supplement somebody else going into the following year.
00:28:08
What I'm excited for is when bam learns how to shoot because I think it's gonna happen.
00:28:12
I think it's gonna have you think that he could become the number like he's the number one ranking Butler is the I think it's really I think it'll be really interesting if they try to bring in you honest.
00:28:20
I was really out on it like I actually was weirdly like I don't know if they need him like it feels like him and Bam overlap And, uh, I don't know, it just kind of I wasn't super keen on the pairing, and I mean, weirdly enough, watching this Lakers team, it's kind of giving me hope of like, Oh, if one of your bigs could just shoot like it doesn't have to be an awesome shooter from deep.
00:28:40
But if you can at least face it a little bit from mid range out, which I think I mean, look, Bam's got that little like 10 ft, you know, it's a weird looking shot, but he's got it in his bag and it works.
00:28:50
A lot of times he's using the room and in the backcourt because and But I know I actually I think there's a pretty good chance he's gonna be able to be a at least decent shooter.
00:28:59
And when that happens like that opens up a lot for them and it and it.
00:29:03
And it allows them Thio, pursue whoever they really want to go.
00:29:06
They could also they could also be an MBE destination.
00:29:09
I mean, I haven't I haven't not thought about that.
00:29:11
That's definitely something I think is in play for them.
00:29:14
I don't think they're move is gonna be a Victor Oladipo, though I think I think they're gonna get it really feels like they're gonna get somewhat Well, it's like the Victor Oladipo move, I think has value for certain destinations.
00:29:25
But Miami A apparently.
00:29:31
But that's but that's the problem with, you know, players that have value.
00:29:35
But it's about specific to your team.
00:29:37
I mean, we're talking Philadelphia, right? Yes, are indeed.
00:29:40
And Simmons and even Harris do they all have different levels of value, or author are completely But what is their value together on a roster? It's a little bit diminishing.
00:29:49
So you're figuring out what actually is gonna help to elevate some of those pieces will be interesting to see.
00:29:54
Let's get out the door on this.
00:29:55
Obviously, the game tonight Game four assuming that auto bio does play.
00:30:00
What are your expectations here? Do you just assume that a D It's one game off, one game on and watch out? Or can this still be exciting? Because I will say in Game three, he did what they've done a couple of times in this series.
00:30:13
They got out early, and by the end of the first quarter, when it was 26 23 after being up a dozen points, I thought, Oh, boy, you know, you really gotta You gotta keep that distance.
00:30:23
But they want every single quarter of the game and they and they got the win. Obviously.
00:30:27
Hey, is it a simple is just saying, Hey, A D plays well and we're right back where we were in games one and two if LeBron James wasn't on the other side of the court, and I'm not even saying in terms of being a player, but in terms of being one of those motivators that we've been talking about for the last 30 ish minutes, Um, just one of those guy as that's gonna get you in the right zone because he is that type of a guy I mean, this is a guy that's come back from a 31 deficit in the N B. A finals.
00:30:52
Um, so I mean, yeah, if it wasn't LeBron James, Sure, I would say this has potential, but I just I can't I can't imagine there's gonna be a situation where 80 is gonna come out flat.
00:31:05
Now, maybe we have a close game, but I don't know, I just The talent is still so much on the Lakers side.
00:31:11
And by the way, LeBron went for 25 points, 10 rebounds, eight assists.
00:31:15
I mean, he bordered on a triple double in a game he didn't have Anthony Davis showing up at all, didn't have a lot of pieces showing up.
00:31:21
It also.
00:31:22
Theoretically, LeBron can also even doom Or, like, you know, as as quietly as he's been having near triple doubles.
00:31:28
Every single game of this Siri's.
00:31:30
He could actually do a little bit more if he absolutely had to.
00:31:33
In game number four.
00:31:34
Last note.
00:31:35
On the heat side of things, I thought Jimmy Butler in that 40 point performance 12 or 14 from the free throw line.
00:31:39
And this I said this on the postgame stream with Keith about how the Onley knock that I have on LeBron James is that he's not great at the free throw line, 1 69 in this game.
00:31:50
It's just such a weird, flukey thing that he arbitrarily just seems.
00:31:54
So. Go one or two.
00:31:55
A couple of trips randomly throughout the game, sometimes in Mawr.
00:31:58
Important spots than others.
00:31:59
Miami Who went? What was it? 91% from the line? All mostly on the back of of Jimmy Butler, though 78% 79% for the Lakers that that actually can play a pretty big factor.
00:32:12
And that again, though, still ties back into Anthony Davis.
00:32:14
If he's getting bullish and attacking down that in the lane, he actually is pretty good at the line, so you can balance that back out.
00:32:20
That's probably going to be more crucial than maybe we initially think in this game.
00:32:26
What's the discrepancy in terms of free throw attempts and what percentages over looking at? I hate to make it literally laziest, you know, easiest thing off.
00:32:32
No, I mean, this is no turnovers and free throws, right? That's yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:32:36
It's just gritty ball.
00:32:38
It's not like a serious where I feel like three point.
00:32:41
I mean, the Lakers have taken more three pointers.
00:32:43
I believe in the serious, So it's not your traditional, you know, whatever Playoff Siris in 2020 it's all about.
00:32:51
It's all about little things.
00:32:52
So I mean, in a way that I think that gives Miami a little bit of a chance because that is so much their game and they and their malleable, they could do a lot of different things.
00:33:00
So, um, so you will see it will be exciting.
00:33:04
That kicks off later tonight.
00:33:05
Hopefully for the sake of the Siri's I I would love to see Miami steal this one, because again, Lakers, up 31 feels like it's all but over to to at least makes the next two games incredibly exciting.
00:33:17
Toe watching this as the NBA Finals wind down their time in the bubble and we look to either four time champion LeBron James, first time champion Jimmy Butler, I hope I hope e hope it's the letter e wanted to go longer.
00:33:32
I want this series to go longer.
00:33:33
I'm like, All right, I wasn't ready for this, but I'm I'm here for it.
00:33:37
If it does go a little bit longer here for it.
00:33:39
Now you can check us out here using the hashtag s CNN NBA for not just myself, not just map Brooks, but Keith McPherson and Simeon Russell and the whole cast of guys covering the MBA throughout these finals.
00:33:50
Then heading into the offseason, we'll be talking all those dynamic trades where Yanis and indeed both head down to southeast to join Jimmy Butler until next time.
00:33:59
Thank you, Matt Brooks.
00:34:00
We will catch up with you soon.
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Andre Iguodala reveals key to Heat’s great chemistry

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And with that, we welcome back to protect your news.
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N B a.
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All right, Margaret, That's Matt Brooks.
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And of course, we're talking NBA Finals.
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How are you, sir? On.
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Ah, on a Tuesday morning.
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I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Very excited to do this today.
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Been moving the last couple of days, so my my set up has changed.
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My aura has not that I'm ready to go.
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E o Brooks.
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Oh, we come in.
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Obviously.
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You know where they have out from the Game three between the Heat and the Lakers.
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Where Miami, in spite of not having drops not having been on a bio, managed to pull off a win over the Lakers.
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It kind of felt like after those injuries, you be talking about circling the drain.
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In some ways, they get that win.
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And now we're ahead of tonight.
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Game four, which obviously becomes, You know, you win that Game three.
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That's great.
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But if you lose tonight, it's all basically the same.
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It's all the same difference, right? If you go down 31 the series is still effectively over from from Miami standpoint.
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Um, yeah.
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No, I agree with that.
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And I think that you're not gonna have a sloppy start from the Lakers the way you did this last game.
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So So for for them, I think you're gonna get a more consistent performance.
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And for Miami, I just worry you kind of need the performance.
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You just got out of Jimmy pretty much every single game.
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Like from here on out, Essentially, because I just don't I still don't know where the scoring comes from.
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Yeah, one of only a handful of times an MBA Finals history where someone's gone for a 40 plus point triple double performance, as Jimmy did and it was huge, obviously carried the load there for them, especially in the absence of a couple players now coming in bam out of bio upgraded to questionable Theus.
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Assumption is that he goes tonight because if your questionable, it probably means that you can fight through it.
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So you have his presence.
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There can can be a help for them from a big standpoint.
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Um, how much can that can that move the needle in this game before? Because they did lose the first two with him in the lineup.
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And then there are other pieces on Miami that they utilized in Game three to try to mitigate the loss of Bama's.
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Well, I don't know.
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It doesn't feel like the best Siris for him in a lot of ways.
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Just because you basically have a guy that's a lot like him, but does everything better than him right now, except for passing.
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But on the other end of the floor, like so I think that I think it's a tough Siris for him.
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I get you know where he gets to.
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Yeah, yeah, no Daniel types here.
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So and I also think like he has been injured through really throw this entire Siri's.
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And it's just been one thing after another.
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So it's kind of hard for me to get a feel of like, what version of Obama we're gonna get like, Did he really just need that extra day off and is like This is gonna be the best He looks in the Siri's.
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I don't know.
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I'm you know, he's a he's a fighter and he's a battler, and it's weird with guys like that sometimes, um, because they want to play so badly and they just battle so hard.
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Um, I'm not sure which type of how how effective he's gonna be necessarily because he's so tough about playing.
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Well, that's so the way I the way I look at it, was if you're Miami, you say If you go out there and play in Game three, maybe you could have fought through something, but it could actually be to the detriment of the overall result of the game.
00:03:13
So we're going to risk it and see if we can get steal a game here, and then you can come back a little bit healthier.
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But to your point, when guys air dinged up like that, there is the risk reward of you play them.
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But they're not 100% 100% version of themselves.
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And whatever diminished version you get can end up costing you in a couple of key possessions or a couple of key spots where you're normally relying on him defensively to be in a certain position or on the offensive end.
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And then all of a sudden you're you're pivoting.
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If you're Spoelstra and saying, Well, I kind of earmarked you for 25 minutes in this game now looks like it's gonna be 15.
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Where am I getting those extra handful of minutes going? Going back a step here, though, that to that Game three.
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You talked about it last time we were on in terms of what were the adjustments? You thought that that Miami could look to me now Leonard went into the starting lineup for them on Lee.
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Effectively played 13 minutes, though.
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You also had Kelly Olynyk, though, giving you 31 a couple of the things that that happened really in favor of the Lakers.
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You mentioned it.
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Uh, sorry in the favor of Miami Lakers, Very sloppy. With the ball early.
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You get Anthony Davis in early foul.
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Trouble is, Well, I looked at a Kelly Olynyk who really understands what his role is, right? He understands what his value is, and that's just be a body annoy Anthony Davis force, you know, foursome issues, even for Dwight Howard.
00:04:26
Just just be physical and mix it up with these guys because again the like for like of if Kelly Olynyk picking up four fouls over three, you know, 2.
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5 3 quarters. Fine.
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As long as you've gotten some of you guys into foul trouble.
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So that seemed to be at least a small recipe for success for Spoelstra getting a little bit bigger.
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Do you think that, though, Can Spoelstra is? Repeat that because again we're still hinging on Jimmy Butler having that otherworldly performance.
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Can you go right back to the well if you're Spoelstra, or do you have tow Have a This was my Game three tactic to try to steal this one and now have to pivot to an entirely new strategy because you assume Vogel in the Lakers are going to counter that.
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Yeah, if I were him, I would I would probably play them at the four, and I would I would just size up throughout the entire game.
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I know Meyers Leonard didn't play a ton, but just even having like, it's like because both of those guys can shoot.
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It's not like you're hurting your offense.
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You're actually putting guys out there that are, you know, maybe not the quality of the Duncan Robinson or Tyler hero, but I think both of those guys can shoot about as well as Jae Crowder s.
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So I think that that's what you're putting out there to a degree is just trying to find guys that it could just be a little bigger, like just match them in that way.
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That's always been the move I've been looking at, and I think that's been the the obvious adjustment.
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But they were gonna make throughout the entirety of this Siri's even, you know, sure, they might play things standard in Game one and see if their style you know, their regular style flummoxes the Lakers.
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Um, it doesn't so this is your time now toe to read and react to that and actually try to put out a product that I think can maybe give the Lakers a little bit of trouble.
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But at the very least, match up with them and then the other piece to that I go after that is, and I don't know why I keep coming back to him.
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I really I'm or I have to ask for your whatever level deeper.
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You could take this on a Robinson.
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What is his value on both ends of the floor? Because there's a handful of games throughout the playoffs and then specifically in this Siri's where when I look at his percentages, I when he's hitting great, but when he's not.
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I just feel like there has to be a better value there for the Miami Heat, even just from a matchup standpoint.
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And specifically, though, I wonder about the defensive end and that's I'm leaning on you for.
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Does he have value on the defensive end for them? And that's why you live with a streaky nous, because otherwise, I think that's another position that they should be looking at about tweaking how you approach the start of this game.
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Yeah, I I my issue with him Is he fouled so much.
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I think he really has an issue with fouling.
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Like, every time I'm watching him on defense, it's he's falling for a you know, a pump fake or stuff like that, which is just like comes off is really undisciplined.
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And I think that that's like, kind of where he's at right now.
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Um, 20.
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I mean, most people that watch this team say he's actually improved a lot defensively, so that kind of gives you an idea.
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Um, he's long.
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Yeah, I mean, he's long like I think he could be kind of like a Kyle Korver where you know Korver will like.
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He's not the quickest guy on the floor, but he's tall enough that he can at least, like, sort of stay on you and he's not gonna lock you down.
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But he'll, you know, he'll just be in front of you.
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I think that that's where we could get to a Duncan Robinson.
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But yeah, I mean, if if he's the way he is on defense and it's hard for guys like him to get shots off, it just is like the ****her you go in the playoffs, the better these teams get defensively, the more prepared they are for, like, these catch and shoot guys, that sure Duncan Robinson can receive looks off a lot of different plays.
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You know he could receive.
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You know, the skip pass across the court.
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He could get that, especially those handoffs from Bam.
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You know, maybe take that one dribble, three pointer.
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But the Lakers? No, he's coming like they and especially on a roster right now that's so depleted.
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I think that, yeah, if if he is the way he is on defense and he's just sort of getting smothered, then it's a tricky spot, do you? And that's unfortunately I think obviously you look at Miami, you think some of the parts here, but specifically going back to Game three.
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When you say 40 point performance from from Jimmy Butler, you get 17 from Hero 13 from Robinson on a relatively bad shooting night.
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Uh, you know again, Kelly Olynyk.
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Really? Seven rebounds, 17 points, a couple of steals.
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You know, every everything about his game was probably is crucial from a support role behind Jimmy.
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Anybody else on that roster? When you flip over, then to the Lakers side of things, is there anything to because, Okay, you start out with Anthony Davis only takes nine shots, and I actually here's my biggest problem with his game.
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Still played 33 minutes in this one in spite of getting into early foul trouble, 15 points.
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The problem for me is to free throw attempts.
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So what? Because this really When I backed it up, here's what I thought, because everything about LeBron James in the postgame interview afterwards.
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I mean, he was pretty livid about it.
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And, you know, the best thing that I could assume was that, of course, and of course, went right to ah guy like, uh like Dwight Howard.
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Where I go, you know, you got a lot of guys.
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Now.
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Rondo understands the situation, but even Anthony Davis, you're young.
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First experience in the finals.
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Dwight Howard.
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Bit of a goof, just kind of having a good time wait for that ring to come in.
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I don't think that the team collectively came into game number three with the level of intensity that you're supposed Thio when you can basically closed the Siri's out early if you shut, if you shut down the Miami Heat.
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So I think it was frustration from LeBron in that regard.
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But if you're Anthony Davis and you get two foul trouble, that's fine.
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But you can still get downhill on attacking the basket.
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You could have the exact same game that he had there.
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Go to the line 10 times and then you're still putting up 20 plus points.
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You're still supplementing LeBron's game, so it's not how concerning it is.
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But is it? Is it frustrating if you're LeBron James and you look at a guy that's top five player in the league and he comes out relatively flat, relatively inconsistent in a crucial third game? Yeah, I mean, That's still kind of a little bit of story with a D Is the consistency night tonight? Um, I don't know.
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Yeah, it just It kind of feels like after those big nights, he's not a guy that's gonna come out and kind of do it again all the way, like he's going to do it in the like, Oh, I'm feeling really good.
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So I'm gonna settle into that jumper like that's always his Like I'm feeling great right now.
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We're gonna take jumpers like this is I'm writing this heat check, which is, like, normal for a player like I don't know, you know, like a Damian Lillard or somebody like that.
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But for him, it's like it's tough because I think that he's always, I mean, think about how he's been the whole his whole career, about playing the five about all these things like, I don't think he loves the physicality aspect of it.
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Now that doesn't make him soft, because I think that that's different.
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I think for him like he's gone through a lot of injuries, especially as a young player, and I think he had, you know, a lot of it's just he wants to preserve his body.
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He's got a big contract coming up this summer.
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Um, so for him, I think that's always been kind of his defining characteristic is that yes, he can do it.
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He can play like a totally, you know, just like, brutal brutalizing center if he wants to be.
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But it's not gonna come from them every night, especially after those big nights.
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And you would think, though again, if your preferences, I could be playing the five.
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But I prefer the four you go Well, we can live.
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Then we can live with that because you're gonna be dominant physical presence at the four.
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You can't at the four.
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Yes and yeah, and also satisfied with your role.
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But and you mentioned it to their about like a guy like game Lillard.
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I think that guards typically right and even small forward, But guards are usually guys where well, um, I gonna when I drive into the bucket tonight or am I worked in my perimeter game and it feels like that's OK to make those choices, because again, Dame Lillard, if you're going to the basket, that's great.
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But it's not like your physical presence.
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You're just able to get past your defender and get to the hoop. Whereas Anthony Davis.
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It's supposed to be that 95% of the time you have the advantage in the matchup down low, like you should always be able to use that, even if it is just the tones better over the 1st 345 minutes of a game.
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And then you can start to expand your game out and always be forcing the defense to adjust.
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The other thing that I look at on the Lakers side of things going from game to to Game three.
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There was also a shift here in terms of Green and KCP.
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They had really nice performances in game to Game three.
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They combined just one of 11 just seven points together.
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Now, technically, you go inside the bench and you get 25 23 minutes from Morrison Kuzma.
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They each give you 19 points, so, you know, saying like for like, Hey, we shifted the points around.
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Is there a difference between Green and KCP having success from the floor as opposed Thio? I think Koosman makes sense, but Morris, that's a bubble of performance you don't get that from him consistently.
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So does that throw off the rhythm of the Lakers in a game like that where you're not getting at least consistency from your starting players there and maybe not even green.
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Maybe it's really KCP that we're looking at.
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Um, no, actually, I'm gonna push back on that.
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I think that's kind of how they're built, right? Like these aren't exceptional players night tonight, like they come together and play really well.
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So I don't want to take anything away from how the Lakers like the Lakers players themselves because they come together and they know exactly who they are.
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They've had a really strong identity since the beginning, and it's been a defensive identity offensively, You know what you're getting.
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It's a two man team, and then all you really need is 15 points from a guy like Kyle Kuzma.
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15 points from you know, a guy like whatever from a KCP, and it doesn't necessarily all to be on the same night.
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So that's kind of the beauty of the Lakers.
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Now.
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The issue really comes down to if one of their stars doesn't show up.
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That's when you start to feel through the the fact that oh, Danny Green didn't have a great game.
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Okay, CPI didn't have a great game.
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So it is funny, like and it's actually really.
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It goes to show you how great LeBron and a D have been in these playoffs, where it's like, you know, the one game where 80 doesn't show up.
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They Lewis Thio Miami team that's missing two of their three best players.
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I mean it zone.
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It's funny how they're built that way.
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Last last question on the Laker side of things, I think, is also I look at Dwight Howard mentioned before 15 minutes to of to from the floor for four points and three rebounds.
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Now, you know, games are constructed a little bit strangely sometimes, like LeBron getting 10 rebounds.
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That could be a product of timely rebounding, and you're you know, Dwight Howard is boxing out or doing some of the other things, but this again points Thio.
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That feels like you're not expected to do what Anthony Davis is doing.
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But you still have a very important role here and started to take over the minute shares from a JaVale McGee at the back end of the last Siri's and into the finals.
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That's another show up.
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Small performance.
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Now They shifted into when you think about those minutes form or for Cruz MMA, even for you had Rondo and then also Caruso getting those big minutes off the bench.
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So they chose to go away from using some of those big specifically when once Anthony Davis gets into foul trouble, it shakes up that dynamic of having the four or five combo with those two players.
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But again, isn't that a concern from an L.
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A standpoint that you physically are bigger and stronger, It so many positions and you somehow allow it to get away like allow Jimmy Butler to go for a triple double like That's fine.
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Like, the Lakers could actually let Jimmy Butler do that every single game, and they should still be ableto win comfortably because you're doing it everywhere else.
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So I just again it's the role players thing, and I go back to how LeBron seem to react.
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That isn't being like Sorry, fellas.
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Did you not realize where we were? Did you not? And also, by the way, the little caveat is that some people were saying jokingly and I think you have to take Miami seriously, but that this extends the timeline for being in the bubble like this extends how long we have to be there.
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There's a longer break.
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Now You're all the way to Friday, potentially before you win a championship.
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Like I think that maybe that was in LeBron's brain was like, Do I want to get out of here on Wednesday? I want to be out of here by you know, by Tuesday night I wanna go.
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Thank you so much.
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Love the ring.
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Getting back my family now, right? Yeah.
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It will be like, Hey, guys.
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So I think I'm better than Jordan.
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Now.
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I'll see you, like, just just anger everybody in a postgame conference and the dip not dealing right now.
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I mean, yeah, that's funny to think about.
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I haven't I hadn't really thought of that, but yeah, I'm sure they're losing their minds with being in there and just there's, you know, I mean, there's football on.
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There's there's ah, lot of it's it's sort of feeling normal out here in the really world.
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So eso I'm sure that every other sports is getting on planes and going about their still ****ing to sing you a little location.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's lots changed since they went into that bubble like really like outs out here.
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I think lots changed.
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So, um, so I know.
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I mean, I think for them like, yeah, it's a e Can't really read too much into it like them losing this way in Game three because I do think that they're considerably the better team.
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And I think even, I mean, it's funny.
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We talked about LeBron not being able to put up these 40 50 point performances every single night.
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At this point, I've always felt that way about Jimmy Butler.
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Like I was shocked to see that stat line be like, Wow, that is how many times do you get 40 at it? Jimmy Butler anymore? Well, that's the other thing, too.
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And I think because I always wonder, I remember what they said.
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He goes down to Miami, and of course, the representation is on.
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I've bought in completely to Spoelstra into the system and you go well, yeah, I agree with you and you buy into it because it's working right like you're buying into it because you're winning in the playoffs and you're making to the finals.
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Sure.
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And then you get to this place.
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But I still I think we talked about this going back to pre Jimmy Butler, going from Minnesota to Philly when that was starting to get talked about.
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I remember saying I was like, Good God, like the last guy I want I would want if I was Philadelphia.
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I wanna bring I want to bring in Jimmy Butler just to totally ransacked this roster to and then over that small sample sizes.
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But that small sample size it was I was like, Oh, my God.
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Yeah, he did. Yes, he did.
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He did, But yes, it did.
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Ultimately do it.
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But I ironically, as opposed to in Minnesota, where you like where you had the sense of all these young players.
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And you're you're kind of just, you know, really crapping all over them and your demoralizing your own teammates.
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Maybe that's kind of what ends up happening in Philly.
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But on the back end of it, the big picture in Philly you go.
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Yeah, well, you kind of probably kind of Yeah, like, you know, different expectations in Minnesota, you didn't have this.
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This bar set for you in Philadelphia is like they were supposed to playoff team on the back.
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You go? Yeah, and beats Simmons like what the heck? Yeah, and both those teams were good.
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Like, let's not.
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I did a whole 15 minutes stream on this, just just rambling to myself about Jimmy Butler's career.
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Um, like both Those teams were good.
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Philly was good.
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They were a bounce away from potentially making it to the playoffs.
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I think that bucks six years, would have been awesome last year, and that and that Sixers team was a lot better than people remember like everybody thinks of them. Is this disaster.
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It's like, Yeah, they didn't fit perfectly But man, they were really talented from top to bottom.
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And Jimmy Butler was like, exceptional in the playoffs like really, really, really good.
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Their big problem was that and be the conditioning thing like that.
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Was there their biggest thing night tonight and and they just didn't know how to use Simmons ever so.
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But they were good and then you look at the that Minnesota team, um they were, I believe, a three seed on target for 53 54 wins.
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I believe, um so and doing that in the West with a team again that didn't fit great, like you had him and Towns. That was fine.
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That was a good to man action.
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But then you had, like him and Wiggins, who always really overlapped.
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And then it turned out Wiggins wasn't even good in the first place.
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It was It was weird like that.
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That roster is, well, where you're kind of like man like that.
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That's not that good of a team like Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, uh, Karl Anthony Towns, Jeff Teague, Andrew Wiggins and, like, no bench.
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It's like, Yeah, that team.
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That team isn't very good and they were a three seat until he got hurt.
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Jimmy Butler? Well, then, because then let's think about it from that standpoint to because Minnesota in Philadelphia, a great examples of this right? You have got arguably on paper.
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You go to Minnesota, you'd say, Well, Karl Anthony, towns, you should be the best player on this team and Jimmy Butler should be your you know, Robin, which is a bad way to frame it.
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But the problem is in Karl Anthony Towns career.
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You've never seen him be, Ah, leader.
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He's not.
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He's not the true leader vocal leader of this team.
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So when you bring the Jimmy Butler, it starts to muddle things.
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Because, Jimmy.
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But hey, listen, I am an Alfa. I do.
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I'll take on the role.
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If it doesn't exist already on this team, you go to Philadelphia.
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Same thing even worse in some ways, because I think, indeed has been better in his career to this point.
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Then Carl and any towns has been.
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You have Simmons.
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You have the young superstar players and they're not, Ah, vocal leader.
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They're not taking the reins, and neither one of them is willing to cede it.
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It's always a problem like, Well, well, Butler and NB got along really well.
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That's the thing that's kind of lost in all of this is like it's like people I don't know. I feel like that.
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Like, the thing in Philly was never an M B thing.
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I think it was a Simmons thing where they just like I'm assuming it's the shooting thing, right? What else are you not gonna like about Ben Simmons? I'm just thinking it's that you're not created shooting a basketball.
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Don't shoot.
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I mean, in a game that involves shooting, I don't know.
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Well, I'm sorry.
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No, no.
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But s so And you're right, though.
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So if you have a positive dynamic between and Beat and Butler, But I guess so my point is is like, you end up still creating tension there.
00:22:06
And I don't know if that really existed in Philly or if it's just a product off, and Simmons doesn't shoot really well.
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But you still have to look at it and go.
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All of a sudden, Jimmy Butler comes in and you say, OK, now it's Embiid Butler.
00:22:17
Simmons, Harris.
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You know, like Simmons, you're getting bumped down the totem pole here.
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In some ways, once Jimmy Butler shows up, it's good for the team.
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Maybe not great for chemistry.
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Yeah, but they had creeks.
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They had a weird click thing where it was like Bretton and Simmons were a click.
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And then it was Embiid who talks about JJ Red**** like he's his favorite team mate ever.
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And be Red**** and Jimmy Butler.
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And then you have whatever the Tobias Harris.
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I don't know what he said.
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It's weird.
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It's like I've never heard of a team of that.
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I mean, I have.
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But it was a well, I would say I've heard and I've heard of these teams not being successful.
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Like I've heard of a lot of successful teams that are built like this.
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And then to your point, like you think about and beat and Butler Get along and be Loves JJ Red**** and Brett Brown, it seemed to be the proverbial coach on the hot seat for so many years.
00:23:05
It's like, Boy, how filly comes out of that season. It doesn't say.
00:23:09
I'll tell you what I'd like to dio.
00:23:10
I like to bring back Jimmy Butler.
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We love him bead.
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I'm gonna bring back JJ Red**** because and be loves him, and then I'm gonna We're and we're gonna ship off Simmons or at least gonna get rid of Brett Brown and bring in somebody else and say, Hey, how do we make these players work? What do we need to do to make this fix? Instead, you're like, No, we're going to stay with all these guys that maybe don't necessarily fit well together from a team standpoint and have their different ideas, and we're gonna get rid of either the very least.
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You gotta bring back JJ Red**** because it keeps him being.
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I like JJ Red**** bring him back cause I enjoyed him like those of the small moves you're supposed to make.
00:23:42
Then when you get to Miami, and I guess this is the the summation of it is that then when Butler gets to Miami and he's an Alfa and he can get into that little bit of a chest to chest with hero in practice and hero response to that, there is no other Alfa male like people are ready to let him be the visual presence off Miami.
00:24:02
It's Jimmy Butler in Miami.
00:24:04
The amount of bio plays great hero plays great all of these pieces.
00:24:07
But that's what seems to make this be so effective for Miami Is that at least at this point of their careers, nobody else was ready to take on that mantle right of being the vocal leader on that team, you had a guy like Iguodala like, and he came in late anyway, but a nice piece of veteran presence.
00:24:24
But that's kind of where Jimmy Butler fits perfectly.
00:24:27
What? You need someone to be this aggressive, dominant, focus kind of guy on a team that lacks that specifically and doesn't have players that maybe think that they should or could be that guy.
00:24:38
Well, I think like the big difference is like I mean, even Tyler hero like Tyler hero, I guarantee you thinks of himself is like a top 20 player right now.
00:24:45
Like I like that is that guy has that type of that type of I don't know if you saw if you saw his facial expression from game Yes, game, you know Z Top 20 like there's no way so on DSO, which is great.
00:25:00
I mean, that's part of his his game is that confidence that never seems to stop.
00:25:06
So I mean, look, you have somebody like him where really confident guy, Um, a definitely an Alfa personality, But he responds well to a Jimmy Butler.
00:25:17
Now you like, compare that to Karl Anthony towns who I like.
00:25:20
I wasn't in that locker room, I don't know, but it certainly seems like he didn't respond well to it.
00:25:25
I don't think he, like, took that in stride, and it had helped him become a better player.
00:25:30
And I mean, to be honest with you, like if you look at where this Heat team is right now, you kind of have to be like, Hey, I think Jimmy Butler was on to something like clearly what Jimmy Butler does works for young guys and I don't I And I even think like with a look at how and be played this year and being played, they played with zero heart.
00:25:51
You didn't do anything and it's like it kind of shows you I'm like, man, Look, you could like I get it.
00:25:56
It's not gonna work for everybody, But if you can kind of put your ego aside and like, understand that this guy is competitive and he is gonna take you up to that next level.
00:26:04
Um, I think it could make a big change that could really enhance your career.
00:26:09
If you're a young player, an organizationally, whether you're Minnesota, your Philadelphia, you know, and like you say that relationship was good with him.
00:26:16
Beat, But stay with Carly towns.
00:26:17
Ah, head coach GM.
00:26:19
Somebody's got to go down to Karl Anthony towns, Or, I guess at the time, it was.
00:26:23
It was God.
00:26:25
Give me a Chicago head coach.
00:26:27
Thank you.
00:26:29
Tim Thibodeaux had to go to Karl Anthony towns and be like, Hey, there's really value in what Jimmy Butler, you know, in what he's doing with you in practice or how he's pushing you.
00:26:40
Try to absorb it, It's gonna expand your game.
00:26:42
It's gonna make you better.
00:26:43
I think you have Thio organizationally say there's a reason why we brought this guy in.
00:26:48
There's a reason there's an impact that he's gonna have for us beyond just points on the court that we can that we can take in and have it elevate our game collectively as a team and as individuals, because Karl Anthony towns to this point still remains the darling of the franchise and unfortunately, ah, team, that's gonna muddle and kind of the middle of the pack.
00:27:05
And I don't know if you're ever gonna get that next level of his game in the fall.
00:27:09
Further in regards to what happens for Miami in these Finals.
00:27:12
The beautiful thing for them is, and I'm not even you know you wanna go.
00:27:16
They bring in Yanis.
00:27:17
Okay, great, Yes, Jimmy Butler's impact on Yanis would probably be insane because it be the same thing within beat of just being like, Hey, man, come on.
00:27:25
You're the physical, You're the dominant.
00:27:26
You're the alphago.
00:27:27
Go kill this team right now.
00:27:29
But whoever they choose into bringing through free agency, I think that you can then going forward, say, Hey, Butler, we know your big your big advantages defensively, that presence that fight you on that end of the floor, you could become a secondary scorer offensively to Player X that we bring in.
00:27:46
And that's even gonna elevate your role even more going to next year.
00:27:48
So I just, you know, Miami is in such a sweet spot with Jimmy Butler being like, Hey, man, can you come in and be the face of this franchise for a season? And then let's see where we stand in the off season and you can still be kind of the face and the the representation of physical presence and, you know, whatever the toughness, the grit, all those intangible things that can supplement somebody else going into the following year.
00:28:08
What I'm excited for is when bam learns how to shoot because I think it's gonna happen.
00:28:12
I think it's gonna have you think that he could become the number like he's the number one ranking Butler is the I think it's really I think it'll be really interesting if they try to bring in you honest.
00:28:20
I was really out on it like I actually was weirdly like I don't know if they need him like it feels like him and Bam overlap And, uh, I don't know, it just kind of I wasn't super keen on the pairing, and I mean, weirdly enough, watching this Lakers team, it's kind of giving me hope of like, Oh, if one of your bigs could just shoot like it doesn't have to be an awesome shooter from deep.
00:28:40
But if you can at least face it a little bit from mid range out, which I think I mean, look, Bam's got that little like 10 ft, you know, it's a weird looking shot, but he's got it in his bag and it works.
00:28:50
A lot of times he's using the room and in the backcourt because and But I know I actually I think there's a pretty good chance he's gonna be able to be a at least decent shooter.
00:28:59
And when that happens like that opens up a lot for them and it and it.
00:29:03
And it allows them Thio, pursue whoever they really want to go.
00:29:06
They could also they could also be an MBE destination.
00:29:09
I mean, I haven't I haven't not thought about that.
00:29:11
That's definitely something I think is in play for them.
00:29:14
I don't think they're move is gonna be a Victor Oladipo, though I think I think they're gonna get it really feels like they're gonna get somewhat Well, it's like the Victor Oladipo move, I think has value for certain destinations.
00:29:25
But Miami A apparently.
00:29:31
But that's but that's the problem with, you know, players that have value.
00:29:35
But it's about specific to your team.
00:29:37
I mean, we're talking Philadelphia, right? Yes, are indeed.
00:29:40
And Simmons and even Harris do they all have different levels of value, or author are completely But what is their value together on a roster? It's a little bit diminishing.
00:29:49
So you're figuring out what actually is gonna help to elevate some of those pieces will be interesting to see.
00:29:54
Let's get out the door on this.
00:29:55
Obviously, the game tonight Game four assuming that auto bio does play.
00:30:00
What are your expectations here? Do you just assume that a D It's one game off, one game on and watch out? Or can this still be exciting? Because I will say in Game three, he did what they've done a couple of times in this series.
00:30:13
They got out early, and by the end of the first quarter, when it was 26 23 after being up a dozen points, I thought, Oh, boy, you know, you really gotta You gotta keep that distance.
00:30:23
But they want every single quarter of the game and they and they got the win. Obviously.
00:30:27
Hey, is it a simple is just saying, Hey, A D plays well and we're right back where we were in games one and two if LeBron James wasn't on the other side of the court, and I'm not even saying in terms of being a player, but in terms of being one of those motivators that we've been talking about for the last 30 ish minutes, Um, just one of those guy as that's gonna get you in the right zone because he is that type of a guy I mean, this is a guy that's come back from a 31 deficit in the N B. A finals.
00:30:52
Um, so I mean, yeah, if it wasn't LeBron James, Sure, I would say this has potential, but I just I can't I can't imagine there's gonna be a situation where 80 is gonna come out flat.
00:31:05
Now, maybe we have a close game, but I don't know, I just The talent is still so much on the Lakers side.
00:31:11
And by the way, LeBron went for 25 points, 10 rebounds, eight assists.
00:31:15
I mean, he bordered on a triple double in a game he didn't have Anthony Davis showing up at all, didn't have a lot of pieces showing up.
00:31:21
It also.
00:31:22
Theoretically, LeBron can also even doom Or, like, you know, as as quietly as he's been having near triple doubles.
00:31:28
Every single game of this Siri's.
00:31:30
He could actually do a little bit more if he absolutely had to.
00:31:33
In game number four.
00:31:34
Last note.
00:31:35
On the heat side of things, I thought Jimmy Butler in that 40 point performance 12 or 14 from the free throw line.
00:31:39
And this I said this on the postgame stream with Keith about how the Onley knock that I have on LeBron James is that he's not great at the free throw line, 1 69 in this game.
00:31:50
It's just such a weird, flukey thing that he arbitrarily just seems.
00:31:54
So. Go one or two.
00:31:55
A couple of trips randomly throughout the game, sometimes in Mawr.
00:31:58
Important spots than others.
00:31:59
Miami Who went? What was it? 91% from the line? All mostly on the back of of Jimmy Butler, though 78% 79% for the Lakers that that actually can play a pretty big factor.
00:32:12
And that again, though, still ties back into Anthony Davis.
00:32:14
If he's getting bullish and attacking down that in the lane, he actually is pretty good at the line, so you can balance that back out.
00:32:20
That's probably going to be more crucial than maybe we initially think in this game.
00:32:26
What's the discrepancy in terms of free throw attempts and what percentages over looking at? I hate to make it literally laziest, you know, easiest thing off.
00:32:32
No, I mean, this is no turnovers and free throws, right? That's yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:32:36
It's just gritty ball.
00:32:38
It's not like a serious where I feel like three point.
00:32:41
I mean, the Lakers have taken more three pointers.
00:32:43
I believe in the serious, So it's not your traditional, you know, whatever Playoff Siris in 2020 it's all about.
00:32:51
It's all about little things.
00:32:52
So I mean, in a way that I think that gives Miami a little bit of a chance because that is so much their game and they and their malleable, they could do a lot of different things.
00:33:00
So, um, so you will see it will be exciting.
00:33:04
That kicks off later tonight.
00:33:05
Hopefully for the sake of the Siri's I I would love to see Miami steal this one, because again, Lakers, up 31 feels like it's all but over to to at least makes the next two games incredibly exciting.
00:33:17
Toe watching this as the NBA Finals wind down their time in the bubble and we look to either four time champion LeBron James, first time champion Jimmy Butler, I hope I hope e hope it's the letter e wanted to go longer.
00:33:32
I want this series to go longer.
00:33:33
I'm like, All right, I wasn't ready for this, but I'm I'm here for it.
00:33:37
If it does go a little bit longer here for it.
00:33:39
Now you can check us out here using the hashtag s CNN NBA for not just myself, not just map Brooks, but Keith McPherson and Simeon Russell and the whole cast of guys covering the MBA throughout these finals.
00:33:50
Then heading into the offseason, we'll be talking all those dynamic trades where Yanis and indeed both head down to southeast to join Jimmy Butler until next time.
00:33:59
Thank you, Matt Brooks.
00:34:00
We will catch up with you soon.

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