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How we doing, guys? How are we doing? I'm doing fantastic because I am drinking one of the beers that we wrote about on Fridays gear rankings for the bye week, Southern tier pumping.
And I'm very happy.
I'm enjoying the fall vibes of a bye week for its cousin Warlock.
Seven to your brewery for not sponsoring the Webcast.
But thank you, Steve, for writing the beer preview article or at least compiling everybody's thoughts together into something which is sometimes more work than an actual writing an article, not to get too behind them, the wheels of news.
But if you've been following around the site this week by week, we're fighting the news or the bye week fighting buys, which meant with a week we had some silly articles.
We had some serious articles, but God **** a e.
You got some legit feedback on that.
Yeah, I was I was expecting that to go the way of our bracket.
Uh, our food bracket, but apparently, yeah, apparently.
Apparently, people aren't as the human.
We onboard their, uh, apple are just as I thought they were.
So anyway, here we are still one of my favorite things that everyone viral for was apparently posting an embarrassing food bracket that got more clicks than anything I've ever written on news magician.
I'm still a little bit depressed about that.
But whatever online content dude, we were talking the other day, I don't know if it was you were Kevin, where it was like I put out an apple bracket and I got, like, eight million more clicks than, like, an in depth review of the offensive line.
So yeah, I feel your pain, people.
Central New York is going to central New York.
And for all of you listening in Washington, I promised you one of these days you will actually do some kind of food be your bracket thing on this because Syracuse football will inevitably do something so stupid that we don't want to talk about.
But this week they did nothing early season by week because of cove in rescheduling, basically I'm fine with it because you wanna have some extra caps Schedule.
Syracuse needed to get healthy on a few different fronts.
And we got to watch our opponent play this week, which is always great when you're gonna buy week and you get to watch your next opponent lose and not look good doing it That they blue devils when they lose to a team who is missing 24 players.
Yeah, it's a lot.
A good chunk of the team.
Eso Yeah, that that kind of sets us up for what we're up against against Duke.
Which, um, the biggest thing we have to worry about is there at Drescher's.
Yeah, you have been. Yeah.
I mean, they've been the whole team has been consistently inconsistent, which used to be a Syracuse thing is apparently now a Florida State Duke thing.
Um, we're just moderately inconsistent.
So I think we're moving out of out of that consistently inconsistent bracket into, you know, way.
Know what we're doing.
We're kind of floating things around, but peaks and valleys than peaks and valleys.
It's We're gonna talk about him a little bit later in the show.
But Stephen Godfrey, no It wasn't Godfrey.
It was podcasting, played nobody.
The note was Stephen God, because there was one bill seen.
Stephen hosted that show together.
They used to talk about the A.
C. C is like a cold, cold a sack.
And as somebody who grew up in the suburbs, his whole life totally resonated with me.
Where you have the coal sack, where there is, like the really big houses, the people that are established, people who kind of founded the neighborhood, got all the nicest stuff they like.
Everything always works for their house.
That's Clemson in the A C C.
And then Godfrey's point was, You've got everybody else and the A C C always feels like it's the families that are moving in and out like nobody's ever staying there. Consistently.
Different teams are moving in and out of that top tier around clubs, and then everybody else is in the rest of the suburbs, and it's whether or not you could move yourself into that cold a sack.
And how long can you actually stay there and to kind of extrapolate that I feel like Syracuse is in the bottom tier of the cold? Exact.
We've been there every year with the exception of the campaign World Bowl season.
But this year definitely feels like because we're consistent because we're trying to do something and consistent in terms of game playing, consistent in terms of having a lot of returning starters.
Syracuse is going to basically be the top of that like suburbia class that's trying to move into the suburbs next year.
But like this, this year is clearly not it.
But we're definitely better than a lot of the other bottom tier teams trying to make that move.
Yeah, if we're if we're talking, I guess in Syracuse parlance, um, we're not way haven't had I don't think we'll have what John and Dan like referred to as the stupid game where, no matter what, there is just nothing that in any way, shape or form can define set game.
And you know when you see it like the NC State game last year, Yeah, that was stupid.
That was a stupid game.
This year, if we can avoid stupid games, I think we're probably on that trajectory of like, you know, maybe maybe trying toe, you know, move on up a little and hopefully hopefully push the rankings a smidge compared to where we were.
But I don't think we're going to see any huge breakouts this year as faras, you know, us going like 10 and three again.
Yeah, I don't play Yeah, that many games, but e mean the other.
The other part of it, too, is just like we've covered in a bunch like the schedule this year is basically made for.
You have to win all your home games.
You're gonna lose all your road games, because if we take a look at the rest of the A C.
North Carolina is a top 10 team, that team that everyone was ready to burn the ships down because we lost 30 to 9.
That's a top 10 team.
So we lost 32 92 clubs and I'd be happy.
Most of our fans would be a little bit upset, but they wouldn't be like, terrible because we've lost the clubs and a lot worse.
You tend to get that point.
Yeah, we'll go with it.
Yeah, well, we've lost a lot of other top 10 teams way worse that we lost to U N.
C and you will see the top 10 team.
They're probably going to stay there the rest of the way because their schedule is relatively easy as well.
So that game doesn't look as bad.
And the pit game I know Pitt lost this week, but it didn't look that good against us.
And Syracuse probably could have won that game if it was a better team later in the season.
Got them on the road in the second game before Syracuse even came home.
So it is what it is right there.
This week was to what NZ state, right? Eso another one of those teams that's in that middling, you know, call the sack, if you will, of just what is there probably six or seven A C C teams where it's just like I don't know what the take of any of them.
They're gonna beat each other up literally everything.
If you looked at our schedule and you said this is a coin flip game, that's that whole kind of plethora of teams and you know, it lost the coin flip.
Yeah, and I don't think that it was ever the top tier of of that group But I thought but it was probably the most consistent because they had a really good defense.
And they have, uh, quarterback has been there 15 years, so they're they're not They're not gonna lose a game a dumb way.
But they did the same thing against Syracuse that they did against NC State.
That could be a ton of penalties.
They have a ton of dropped passes.
Can he pick? It looked serviceable.
He wasn't amazing, but he was above average.
And the end result was that N C State was able to make a few more plays that Syracuse didn't make.
Otherwise, it was like watching the same game, right? So that's the I just want to point that out because I know that there's some people saying, you know, one and two still isn't great, but like, we're gonna get into this do preview right now.
And I think both you and I are feeling very confident about this game in the sense of we don't think Syracuse is going to lose it.
Um, doesn't mean that I'm confident we're gonna blow them out.
It just means that I think they're just the better team.
And if Syracuse is the better team and goes to too.
And two this season suddenly is reframed entirely different ones.
Yeah, very much.
So, um I don't know.
I mean, they What is it so far, they've lost to Notre Dame.
Go figure, uh, they lost to Boston College badly.
Which is the red flag number one. Right.
And you know, BC again in that coin flip morass of whatever is going on in the middle of the sea.
Um, traditionally towards the bottom, they do have a very good offensive line.
They have a brand new coach in a brand new, effective system, going from whatever the dazzler used to run Thio, Uh, whatever is going on now.
So, um, big changes.
Their new quarterback knew everything.
So for them to lose by 20 points to them seems a little odd.
Then they got stomped by Virginia and then eked out by Virginia Tech.
Yeah, and I think we were talking about this pre show eking getting beat out by Virginia Tech.
That's that's on paper.
Okay, that's fine.
Virginia text One of those teams that people thought would be hanging around next to Clemson thought that they could do something this year.
Um, but then you mentioned the elephant in the room.
That is the elephant of 2020 which is Kobe 19.
And Virginia Tech did not have a full roster for this game.
Yeah, minor. Minor details.
So they I mean, they still they've already what? They're 17 in the nation, mhm and playing without a full rotation.
I mean, they're they're a solid team, so I'm not gonna We're gonna take too much away from anything, but yeah.
The yet 21 players were out against Duke because of Kobe related precautions and injuries, which is just wild, including the entire starting secondary, which just Wow.
And the fact that Duke an offense Duke offense, That is probably we all knew it was gonna be good, but it's kind of predicated on a passing game to Not with again.
Duke has the whole man.
He has the country music singer quarterback who defeated Syracuse in the, um, Chase Clemson game.
Actual country singer.
I don't know if he is, but he he is.
Hey, is there is somebody in national singing and honky tonks trying to make a big with that name.
So again that was, that was, That's the thing that made that's red flag number two for me.
If you're a Duke football fan, E can't say if you're a Duke fan, because everybody is going to say that they're a Duke fan except for everybody in Syracuse, because band like a basketball fans, neither here or there.
But when you have Chase Bryce as a transfer who is a supremely talented quarterback, as Syracuse fans saw, if he wasn't playing behind a guy named Trevor Lawrence, he would be the starting quarterback at Clemson.
The problem is that he was playing behind a guy named Trevor Lawrence, so he transfers.
And he's still a really, really good player who could play at the division one level.
And the fact that you have that you went up against a secondary that was totally decimated and you lost the way you did, especially because your defense, which again has two fantastic edge rushers, were not able to hold down the lead like that is a huge red flag, to the point that I'm not saying that their worst that they're like significantly worse than Syracuse.
I think they're just a little bit worse than Syracuse.
Um, but it is one of those moments where you go.
A good team doesn't lose that game.
A good team might squander a lot of that lead, but a good team doesn't lose.
It doesn't blow that kind of lead and doesn't not take advantage of that opportunity presented in front of them.
Especially because the game was at home by my like, a Z.
I'm understanding it.
That was a Duke home game.
Yeah, it looks like it.
So if you you have a top 25 team coming into your house and you're missing and they're missing 21 players, including the entire secondary, and you had to leave and you blew it like man, that is so crushing on so many levels.
Wallace Wade Stadium, which apparently made me think of Wade Wilson, which you know.
Oh, boy, this'll was This was kind of a dead pool game.
The I I just I kinda wanna talk to you about this a little bit more, because obviously you're the offensive line expert on the site.
You have that until the day you die.
Um, there to addresses are fantastic.
Um, but how do you? What Syracuse is going to do, and what clearly everybody else is doing is finding a way to neutralize edge rushers.
Aside from having to fantastic tackles, what do you do to neutralize edge rushers in order to do something against this defense that clearly everybody else's able todo? It's weird because, especially with the two tackles we currently have in Matthew Bergeron and Erin Service Service Service, I still again pronunciation somebody Strong point.
Somebody tell us beyond that we'll go with what we got.
Um, yeah, service ended up on.
I think I touched on it a little last week.
Maybe knows the week before when he was when he played Matador a couple times there in the loss.
Hey, look much better against Georgia Tech.
But if and I will admit up front, I haven't done the research on the two directors from Duke.
But if either of them is a speed guy, uh, that could spell some issues with service.
Um, he he's had trouble with speed rushers all year.
He's been fined against the blood rush.
Bergeron similarly, um, he's been strong against, you know, standard, but Russia's standard speed rushes, But if you get a guy that's good with his hands, he could get wiped very easily.
So when I say wiped, Um, when you're when you're tackler, you're not.
That's when you're engaging.
You're actually out extended, um, good defensive tackles or defensive players once they engage or before they engage.
They'll actually you know, instead of batting or swiping or the traditional rip moves or like a swim move, they'll literally bet your arms out from in front of you.
And, um, if you're able to quickly reset and maintain your hips, you can get back in and get reset very, very easily, provided they're not extremely quick.
But Bergeron seems to have a lot of trouble resetting his hands, which hopefully, for one, people don't pick up on.
And we don't run up outside of against Clemson against somebody who is very good with their hands.
But people don't think of the battle of the hands when it comes to offensive line, but it's not just big bodies.
It's there's a lot going on with your hands and what's what's actually happening.
So there's two things anybody else can use.
Toe beat Syracuse offensive line.
Uh, well This is what I'm saying.
Like, Steve, if you like.
Not This is not meant as a disrespect to you, but like, if you're seeing this in a rewatch, there is no way that somebody who has paid at the SEC level does not see this.
Like it's what environment scientists that doesn't play football in 15 years.
Like if you're in a C C coach and this is your livelihood, you're gonna know taking the same right.
And so obviously Syracuse has not been completely destroyed by it.
They're making some adjustments there, working with these guys.
But again, to your point, it's not as if the issues have been magically solved or these issues there something very quick.
It sounds like this is something that Bergeron is going to have to spend significant time in practice working on sound like this is something that surveys like if he can't handle the speed rusher like he's at the point where that just might be what he is like, you can't necessarily training much more than this.
Well, I mean, you're talking about a guy who most of his career didn't have to worry about.
That is an interior alignment.
So with this being the first time he's been exposed on the outside, he's probably not used Thio like that, having having played center garden tackle as in college There, there's a different feel to it, like what you're doing with your hips and what you're allowed to do with your hips.
Depending on the position, um can drastically change.
And the further out you go, the more you need to stay square so that you can ride out right out that defensive end, and from that standpoint, if he, you know, literally just continues his kicks, having adjusts his technique a little, it should alleviate a lot of that issue.
And I'm sure Kevin, I was working with him on something like that.
And against Georgia Tech, it did look much better.
Three caliber of player compared to what he saw against Pitt is probably down also, but to he didn't give up that positioning as much which, you know to me shows that they're working on it and that it's something they can improve.
Um, beyond that, Tommy needs to get the ball out quick if they're going to bring pressure.
So, Thea other thing I noticed is bringing extra stunts and blitzes, especially on the left side.
With Elmore Elmore.
Elmore got a little exposed against Georgia Tech compared Thio after the first watch.
I thought Tisdale had a rough game.
I would say Elmore probably had the worst game of an offensive lineman against Georgia Tech.
Um, still not bad by any stretch, especially for a transplanted fullback.
But that caveat is just still.
Hello? Yeah, that's great.
The big thing there is, you know, there's still not having the familiarity with the two guys next to him as a guard.
There's, ah lot of, you know, passing off on double teams, a lot of past protection, where there's switches where there's twists, that he can kind of get caught out a little.
So again, something.
You saw a lot more misdirection from the defense on that side of the ball.
So I'm sure it's something people are picking up on, but also something that's correctable.
The longer they play together, the more they can feel each other out.
So Onda kind of off.
And on that note, we kind of talked about last week that the bye week is coming at a good time for Syracuse because, you know has said that there's going to be reinforcements coming along the line because of injuries.
And there were a couple of players that we haven't seen this year.
However you say his name did not get Chris.
Chris did not get Chris did not get the waiver, so we're not going to see him.
But there were some rumors around that he was a little bit bank up.
He would have been able to go from the get go to begin with.
But the other one is Davis.
And it was It's weird because we're talking about the Kota Davis.
But last week we also did not see Pat Davis.
A actually was backing up a guard who is a true freshman.
What happened there? Whether we're gonna get more, Davis is back.
Get all devices back. Yeah, that works.
Um, and then also, you know, Georgia Tech and Qadeer White was in street clothes like, well, not street while he was in his jersey, but, like, wasn't padded up.
Um, yeah, there's There's a lot of a lot of things we don't know and a lot of personnel we don't know as to who's going to get healthy and how they're going to get healthy.
Um, one person that we found out we know won't be getting healthy immediately is probably the most talented player on the team as far as raw talent, which is not a phenomenal but rumor has it, per Mike McAllister, midweek that Andre Cisco is gonna be out for, but foreseeable future.
So e don't know if you wanna touch on some thoughts on that one e mean, Yeah, a couple.
I think the first thing that we needed to address off the top is that tomorrow Monday, if you listen to this tomorrow morning, later this afternoon, um, Dino Babers will not address any of this in the depth chart.
We've learned by now that the depth chart is basically what we know.
It doesn't ever give any new information that's denies prerogative with, aside from a couple of players who might get in or next to their name because they're semi healthy.
But typically the depth chart reveals what happened in the last game.
So again, to your point, my see Iowa listed as an or on the back upside way won't get any confirmation that anybody else is out long term until we go through the Duke game and then we see who is actually playing is actually padded up, etcetera, etcetera.
So for anybody who's hoping for answers tomorrow when the depth chart comes out that way may see the Cisco injury reflected just because that did, like that's been shown like Rob Hanna, maybe number one at that spot.
Um, just because we've seen it live.
But beyond that, I don't expect any of the changes on the line or any of that to be reflected.
Yeah, and it z again, that's just Gino's choice.
That's, you know, gamesmanship.
I'm not like some A C C.
Schools have opted to copy that method.
Other SEC schools have been transparent because they know that coaches talk and sources talk and that impose out there anyway, so whatever.
But as for the Cisco thing, um, my first, I think a lot of people are feeling frustrated because the reality of the situation is that if Andre Cisco is going to miss any significant time and by significant, I need at least like three or four games um, he's not coming back.
Yeah, like And that's your cousin? Yes, because the season is a fluke, because the season is 2020 where everybody is going to be great differently.
Teams are going to place Mawr emphasis on their own internal ****ysis than actual game ****ysis, which is frustrating to an extent if they're watching these games.
But that's just what's going to happen.
Cisco is going to sit out a significant amount of time.
He's not gonna come back and risk reinjuring himself in a year where he's a potential first round draft pick.
And that means that more than likely, if McAllister's rumor is even remotely close like, let's say that the injury isn't serious enough that it's out the whole season.
It's just out half of the rest of the season.
Cisco will probably still opt to get an agent and start privately training on his own, and that's done with his time in Syracuse.
And that's really unfortunate that we never got to give the arguably best defensive player since Chandler Jones the kind of send off that Jones got in his final collegiate days.
Eso is a fan that's frustrating and as just from a sentimental point that that's really frustrating from the actual game plan standpoint.
It's frustrating because we saw the 335 really thrive with Cisco, and we saw Cisco really thrive in the system.
But I'm not insanely worried because Rob Hanna doesn't look bad and he basically looks like Cisco.
Oh, another just raw, insanely talented kid that was a little bit undervalued.
Most recruiting sites thought it was a great game for Syracuse Toe have him because of some underlying things like he could have gone to a bigger school, sat for two years, and he would have been good in his junior year or redshirt sop****re year.
He opted to go to Syracuse for earlier playing time, and he's getting the earlier playing time and looks pretty **** good.
Yeah, I mean, I would say he passed the definitely pass the laugh test.
Um, yeah, he doesn't have the pipes.
I will give you that.
It is not the Cisco come on your pipes, but Cisco.
Cisco became an NFL player this offseason, very much so at the same time.
If Hannah ends up being a long term solution there, that from what he showed in one game again.
Always caveat it.
He only played one game.
Um, he he's still a freshman.
He had a couple of moments where he had freshman moments, but he he definitely looked the potential part, which is something you have been able to see in a while.
Yeah, and I think the other part to this, too, is that if you're going toe loop and, like again, this was Syracuse of strength was the secondary specifically those safeties slash Rovers.
You still got Mel fondle.
You still got trillions.
You've got Hannah.
You've got so many players there and so many freshmen and so many sop****res that have come into that rotation and have shown that they can play like lose.
If Cisco was a linebacker or Cisco is a defensive lineman, this would change the outlook that I have for Syracuse's entire season.
Losing Cisco is going to hurt.
Using Cisco is going to be a big blow, but there's a really good chance that Hannah steps up and becomes Justus Good.
Cisco is long term, and Cisco started as a true freshman and had had some moments where he didn't look good.
But those were in games against good teams that Syracuse wasn't gonna be. Anyways.
It was in the games against the coin flip games where he where that talent kind of stood out.
One games in favor of Syracuse? No, for the record, Andre, if you're watching this, uh, this is two people trying to justify What's that? Because in no way in Syracuse, a better team without Andres Cisco on the field, we're we're talking about, you know, the eventuality of If this is serious, we need to have a backup plan.
And this is the back up plan like Syracuse does not defeat.
The Syracuse is not pulling upset against any ring team.
With that Andre system like there's, there's just no way it happens.
Um, like Cisco is that X factor on defense that if Trevor Lawrence is having an off day Andre Cisco is the reason that he's having an off day so that that stings a lot because you kind of lose that your ceiling basically without Cisco, you're lowering the ceiling, which is really tough.
But again, the way that this season was set up, that ceiling was kind of cap to begin s so I think that's why we can have this conversation in this tone.
Um, but again, I genuinely as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, please draft Andre Cisco in the first round.
You ****s, please draft him.
They need some safety depth.
They need some help.
I listen, I have a show.
Marco Thomas Steelers Jersey in my drawer that I will wear next time. Okay.
I adore any Syracuse player who goes to Pittsburgh.
The I guess the one other thing I wanted to touch on the secondary is Thea Other injury? Yeah, with Garret Williams going down that open the door for Neil None.
Um, Williams is definitely impressed early in coverage.
I'm very curious how, like I didn't see the injury, Um, I missed it live.
And then in my multiple hours of staring at game film, I was watching only the offense, so I kind of missed event to So I don't know exactly what happened there, um, to be to be fair, I don't remember it on top of my head, but I believe it waas a lower body injury.
But again, I have been judged.
I have been called out by Syracuse Athletics department for guessing three extent of an injury before it's officially announced.
So I would just like to caveat that it's not official in any way, shape or form until it shows up on an injury report.
Just throwing it out.
That shows up in an injury report that they won't report exactly again.
I once saw a Syracuse player limping off the field in front of me while I was on the sidelines, reported as a lower body injury and was then emailed saying, How dare you report on an injury that we have not officially announced yet? So, Well, I watched it happen.
E was in two pieces.
Just wanna just wanna throw that out there fishing.
I guess you can.
You can also what you consider upper versus lower body.
Maybe e don't know.
When you're not putting weight on one leg, I'm going to assume it is a lower body.
That is my point.
Eso Garret Williams again? I'm pretty sure I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up now and just see if somebody has broken anything on that.
That but to that.
But to your point, like what did you think about Neil Nuns performance in general.
Solid not not what Garrett's been doing.
But, you know, to get thrust into, you know, first game time of the year, right then, uh, it probably could have been significantly worse.
Yeah, I mean and clear away.
No, no, I was gonna say And like, I feel like that's Oh, who are you? There? Your block.
Anybody stand by for some technical difficulties? Uh, people Ugo Ugo e was gonna say, Yeah, I haven't, uh I haven't seen I would assume that.
That's just like the general feel The secondary.
Everybody is everybody pretty solid, like backups.
They're playing well.
Like the secondary is the strength of Syracuse defense.
Which is great because there's five members of the secondary on the field. Every snap.
Yeah, and almost as many heard it seems always going to happen with Syracuse.
And again, it's just annoying that a fluke preseason injury are fluke.
Pregame injury is why we're talking about Cisco being out.
Um, and Garret Williams got injured within the run of play, which is gonna happen soccer term for you.
But I really like that term in general.
If it's a lot better, but yeah, that is It's never Syracuse without some injuries.
So per Pff, they were not fans of meal.
Yeah, limited snap count.
I mean, he only he was only on the field For what, seven plays? Yeah.
It's not nothing that you could judge on again. I'm with you.
I thought he was fine.
Um, yeah, nothing.
That would mean nothing that screamed like there was definitely one blown coverage.
But beyond that, there was nothing that screamed to me way.
Need to worry? Like I think we just need some snaps.
Yeah, 100% agree.
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I'm not gonna deliver on it.
I'm like, Oh, What do you mean? He's like, I'm just wearing a regular T shirt in it.
When we had talked initially about getting the home field deal off the ground, he goes, I have a Donovan McNabb.
Syracuse nineties jersey just hitting around somewhere inside it.
Couldn't find it.
But that was that was fantastic.
Anyways, I just want to throw out that home.
They hate us for basketball.
Just wanna throw out there.
Indiana fans. They still blame us for 2013.
I told them to get a better coach than Tom Creen.
However, yeah, it is 2013 right? Sure.
It was one of those final four rounds.
Yeah, I said the same thing to Connor.
He goes, you guys ruined our worst or best team that we ever had, and you don't even remember what fluke Final 41 of his I'm like, No, because they happen every every so often and two back to back.
So I'll take it.
And, you know, I can't wait to the basketball.
You and I are not the basketball people here, but I was talking about basketball.
Could be so much fun.
It won't be as bad as I was trying to talk across, but it'll be good.
Yeah, it would be a lot of fun, but back to football.
Oh, is that work like you? Oh, yeah.
We're talking way Just went in depth on the offensive line for, like, 10 minutes, which I adored.
For the record, um, not so fast.
You give me you give me a rope of I will hang myself with it when it comes to the offensive line.
I know, but this week it actually is really pertinent.
But speaking of really already cultural ball stuff, we mentioned Steven Godfrey earlier in the show.
Um, Stephen Godfrey is the banner society writer, part of the Explanation network.
We really like his work that he writes about Hey does some instagram stuff.
And this past week on Instagram, he was kind of talking about somebody asked about Iowa State, which is? They lost their opening week.
They've been just all over the place this in this very limited Big 12 season.
And he mentioned that he was going to write this week about some interesting teams on be defined interesting later in the answer, as just teams that are doing something different slash making him as a football guy just kind of really start thinking.
And basically they're weird and I want to think about them because they're weird.
And he mentioned by name Syracuse, which tow us us to and probably everybody else who's writing football for SPD for news petition.
Um, that's our validation that are like Dog whistle.
That's what we listen for, and that's what we're ready for.
Well, that was like when? Last week when we were going back and forth with our two weeks ago, we were going back and forth with Jay about that.
Yeah, it's like we're gonna relevant.
You guys wanna talk the intricacies of the 335 Let's go eso I think that this is a really good lens to frame the rest of Syracuse season through.
I do not think that you should look to Syracuse toe like go 84 on the season or 18 in three on the season or seven and four on the season.
Whatever 11 win scenario.
You wanna get Teoh 11 game scenario.
Get to I think Syracuse is honestly, probably a five and 16.
You said five and six and your preseason prediction.
I was a little bit more pessimistic, but I I'm with you.
I love what the defense is doing, but I don't think that they're going to be one of those generic teams in there.
They're going to be interesting and they're going to be weird.
Uh, you agree with me because you were optimistic? I think I wanted the first part of my question for you is your pre season 55 and six prediction.
Is this anything like what you thought the team would be like? And if if not, why are you still optimistic? I think going into the year I and we made those predictions, I think, before we found out about some of the injuries and where some of this was coming out of camp, it was definitely It was definitely like way were kind.
Not necessarily that we were like deciding on our predictions.
But we were having these conversations in, like pre writing them out, like two or 32 weeks before the first game of the season.
So, like kind of heading into camp and starting to figure some of this stuff out.
We knew Blake wasn't going Thio.
You know, one way or another wasn't going to be with us started season.
But beyond that, I don't think Davis might have been known.
But we didn't know the severity or any of that sort of.
So I think for me I expected us to rely a little more on the offense and a little less on the defense.
I think it's gonna welcome change because the ability to sustain a self defense, um, might be a little easier than especially through some injuries might be a little easier than to sustain a solid offense.
Um, I still think five and six a decent number, especially like, I guess, a lot of predicated on what's coming out of this week.
Um, if we can, you could win out against Duke Way have ma'lik Willis next week and the rest of whoever Liberty decides toe roll in on a hospital gurney.
I do think it would be really funny.
Obviously, there's no postgame handshakes or anything, but I do appreciate that Syracuse will be playing liberty again.
And Dino Babers will again be waving to Hugh Freeze in one form or another kind of great.
Yeah, that's that's just gonna be weird.
Yeah, but that still keeps on getting I Yeah, one 100%.
So, yeah, I mean it.
Our home slate holds true to five wins like we have.
We have six home games, five home games, five home games, five home games.
Yeah, No six home games, five conference home games and liberty.
I'm gonna triple check this right now.
I can't believe I just Yeah, I got it up.
Georgia Tech, Duke, Liberty, Wake B.
Okay, so I still think we can definitely hit five out of those.
Yeah, hell, I mean, stupid things happen.
There's a chance we could hit six out of those.
I still don't think we're gonna touch two of our three remaining away games because they're at Clemson and at Notre Dame so that you have at Louisville who can't stop a paper bag.
Um, but you probably can't stop them either.
So and I'm not gonna lie this offense and attract me.
I'm not putting money on us.
Yeah, And again, I think that I can already hear the commenters going.
Louisville lost their starting quarterback.
That game is so late in the season that yeah, like you might be back by then, or their backup has settled into a groove, and they're still able to turn out that offense like Satterfield was hired because of his offense.
And at that point in the season, you know, because that that happened last week, right? Yeah. Against Bad. Yeah.
So that's I mean, he's already got the backup.
Already got one week under his belt.
By then, you're gonna have another four or five.
Like at that point, He's not the backup anymore. He's a starter.
Yeah, so I wouldn't That's the old Like when? When JB likes to start his freshman.
And then, you know, by the third week of a C C play, they're not freshman anymore.
Yeah, that's a good always get back to basketball.
Somehow that is the perfect perfect way of describing way.
May still be a football school, but we're basketball school, too.
Um, yeah, I think I think the interesting part that you mentioned.
It's easier to sustain defense than offense, and a lot of people going to kind of give you the side eye on that.
But it's also, I think, a product of the defense that Syracuse is running is that obviously we've talked about how well they're confusing people on different looks, and the more looks that you have more tape you have.
So the more that teams can dio but offenses thes days, especially in the A.
C C, are very much not like NFL offenses, where they're trying to get you into specific looks into specific matchups.
So that way they could run that one play in in college.
It's very much a we are going to run a basic bare bones are po or we're going to have a bare bones, pro style offense, and if your defense has enough talent, they can know what you're doing, and you can still screw it up.
Um, and from a demon and from search inside the ball.
They don't have tremendous talent, but kind of.
But like as we look at these home games as because these point foot games, I really do like Syracuse's defensive talent more than I like the offense in almost every single matchup.
And part of that is a testament to Tony White and having confidence in the system that they're running with.
The other part of it is that players have shown and earn a level of respect because of their play so far, like the linebacking corps.
Way talked about a little bit last week, and I'm gonna give them their props this week.
I thought that was gonna be a weakness of the season.
There's still definitely not the strongest linebacking crew in the A C. C.
But, man, those guys, they do what they need to dio, and it's when they get a little bit overextended.
That issue start happening, which I will take nine times out of 10 like that is that is all you can ask him and that's gonna happen quite a bit with a young court to, you know, you've got what is it, Richards is Richard Juniors, who didn't play through.
Most of it is the senior guy on the squad like McKell Jones is.
What? A redshirt sop****re, I think he's actually just a true someone played.
I thought that he got the red shirt, but apparently he is.
Yeah, he burned the red shirt last year.
I wasn't sure about that.
So Paige was a redshirt freshman.
Uh, Linton is, I think, also a redshirt freshman.
Thompson is a true freshman.
Can't mark who's redshirt freshman like, Yeah, it doesn't get much younger, and they're they're impressing.
So I'll take that every single day to the house so that that whole group has been one of the pleasant surprises of the season.
Yeah, I definitely and And it's so funny that you say that because going into next, like, not forecast in the next year, God knows what next year is gonna look like What, like there's a year beyond 2020 way have days amount of Yeah, we have, like, days, amount, years, amount of news in a day in 2020 like, are we making it to the end? Listen, as somebody who has toe work in Marvel movie timelines that air going into like 2025.
I'm forced to confront the future on a daily basis here now.
And yeah, like there's there should be a level of exciting And I think I think people are are all there three Defense encourages a lot of excitement, and I didn't really think of it as something that could be.
That's probably better toe have a little bit more stability on, but you're 100% right.
It is definitely something that game.
The game week to week will probably be more consistent overall than even a great offense.
Like that is something that the scheme itself kind of lends itself to being more controlled, more consistent.
You've raised the floor so much more, very much so. E.
Guess what? I'm gonna find a stat.
What? You're talking okay to not shoot myself in the foot on that comment about sustaining the offense, But for one like you have, I don't want to say some square pegs in round holes, but you know, we're trying to run.
Taj is an outside receiver who amazing talent.
You put the ball in his hands, he's gonna make something crazy happen But he's not that that ish or that at a towel or someone else we've tried to utilize in that role.
Um, even, you know, last year, the Custis like, Yeah, there's there's no big body to take that 10 yard out and just hit the sideline.
Um, if you throw in slot like put him in, they came in the slot and see what happens.
I'd be very intrigued about that.
Bring him across the middle, put him in traffic.
He may break if he actually gets a solid hit.
But I've never seen someone get a solid hit on him.
So he's He's pretty slippery.
Um, hey, overall, I think trying to sustain with the depth we have there, especially young depth in an offensive setting, is a little harder to bring them up to speed.
You've got a little more intricate playbook.
You've got a lot more going on.
Um, motions calls speed of the offense.
That it's gonna It's gonna look a little bit different than slotting someone in on defense, giving them some calls and not to take anything away from the intricacies of 335 because there's a lot going on in that defense.
But comparatively, I think you can rely a little bit more on pure athleticism than Andi.
That's usually the case with defense is a little more raw than, um, offense, but bad.
That's that's kind of I don't know how did not talk myself into a corner on this one, but, well, what what I'm looking for and I can't find it because the guy tweets so much.
David Hale had a thing about turnovers and the number of high turnover games over the last thing this season in last season s and something that Syracuse is one of the only teams.
Like there's a bunch of blue bloods and Syracuse in terms of teams who are forcing turnovers.
Oh, here, we, uh, sorry.
That's completions under pressure.
Uh, he tweets so much and there are so many good, um, stats in there that he has.
The result is that Syracuse is producing turnovers at an insane rate this year, which is the same thing that they did in their 10 10 and three season.
Eric Yeah, 10 and three season that they had, um and traditionally by all advanced metrics, turnovers or not, a sustainable margin and I do agree with that to a certain extent.
However, um, there is something to be said that if you were doing it on a semi consistent basis, um, there is something to it with Scheme, and I 1000% agree that to your point, the 335 with the athletes that Syracuse has in a season where everybody because kind of like running a little bit more on raw instinct over trained system that the Syracuse defense is going to thrive in that environment.
And we've seen it already, especially in the Georgia Tech game.
But even in our losses against pit in North Carolina, uh, the defense was just able to force turnovers, make mistakes.
And that is something that moving forward again in these coin flip games.
Those are the things that gives you more opportunities than not win.
You need turnovers in order to win those games.
Yeah, I mean, it sounds dumb because it's the old cliche, but like back defense is the way thio, like defense, wins championships.
It's true, it's because because like and it's if you have a good especially and it's ridiculous with hate saying this.
But like New England Patriots and Bill Belichick kind of shown it.
Or if you have an elite in an era of offense, if you have figured out for the briefest period of time, how to have a defense that can neutralize that offense.
Teams do not have an answer now.
Eventually, because this is the era of offense.
They will figure it out and they will.
You know they'll be a way around it or you'll have to do something illegal.
And then once it gets called, you're screwed.
But in general, Syracuse has found a defense that, against most of that middle tier, is going to cause off is going to cause issues and turnovers and that if they could replicate that against Duke, if they can replicate that against Liberty, if they can replicate that against the rest of their home schedule, I don't care how bad the offense is there going to be in every game.
And they have a consistent enough special teams kicker in Andre Schmidt that they'll be in every game that all you need is tell me Todo hit a couple of deep balls.
Yeah, and that's I mean, that's kind of been what he's done is, I guess, in the games we've seen consistency from him is kind of lull, lull of defense to sleep on those shorter routes and then just go over the top.
Yeah, and it's worked and it worked twice.
And you've got, you know, you had to two guys in Tosh Harrison, 19 Johnson who just got behind their man.
And they'll always get behind their man to Unless you're playing clubs in there is nobody else that camps get burned by them, right? We don't have Virginia Tech on the schedule and all the guys around anyway, so yeah, literally.
I was thinking of I was like, and it's also side tangent.
It's so weird to think that blood Foster is not coaching the defensive unit I've had.
I've had to wrap my head around that a few times.
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie completely.
Forgot that until you said that.
Yeah, it's just that is there is Jim Boeheim in the 23 zone and Virginia Tech and but Foster and she behind wins again.
Well, who was the assistant or the coach? K state there That was there since a graver Oh, my gosh.
Schneider cider Yes.
Don't remember his first name.
Coach Bill Snyder. There we go.
And he's not there, you know, but yeah, same kind of concept where it's like, Wait, What? Okay, cool.
Takes a few moments to get used.
So we've got just a few minutes left.
We obviously talked about Syracuse football a lot this season.
Outlook a lot way.
Don't typically do like a full preview here because we kind of like to let that up to the site.
Like you and I are both gonna dig in to do a lot more this week.
Um, but we mentioned it off the top.
We mentioned it in a lot of previewing.
We feel pretty good about this game.
Um, what if Syracuse is going to defeat Duke? What is the one thing that will more than likely happen in order? Thio ensure that Syracuse goes toe to into that? My friend is a rough one to put me on the spot with.
I think the the biggest thing for me is gonna be Tommy heaven Quick reads, um, not even just from the fact that as we talked about earlier, Duke has a solid, you know, address presence where he'll need to get the ball off quick.
His his decision making from Week one to Week two.
And then we to to Week three we to do a three was definitely a jump one week to You're playing a lot different, a lot better defense.
So it's It was a weird one, but I think he needs to keep improving the degree to which he improves his quick reads is going to the degree to which Syracuse improves their offense.
Yeah, and I think that needs to keep plugging forward for them to see success this weekend, especially with that extra pressure that might become so.
I don't think we're talking pit levels of pressure, but because I don't I doubt they're gonna dial up, you know, six guys in a crack, especially with the emergence of Sean Tucker, which, um, okay, that changes our whole offensive dynamic, too.
Um, I touched on it in, uh, e think it was a piece Christian put up, but he Oh, yeah, because he called me out on what he's like, What can the offensive line there? What's the difference in the running backs and what we've seen? And how the offensive line influences that, and with Jordan and Pierre at the beginning of the year, you have two guys who are.
They're very talented.
They're very good in space, especially Jordan.
Um, they're not decisive runners.
Tucker seems to be the put his shoulders down.
Make one cut and he's committing, and he's going to get 2 to 3 yards no matter what the hell he does.
And he's going this way because that's the way he said he was going on.
And he's also very good at reading a seam.
He doesn't need UH, Mack Truck size hole.
Um, he seems to be very good at reading where the seams gonna open up, hitting it.
It may close back down, but he's decisive, and with an offensive line that's not going to move, De tackles anywhere like they're gonna get in their way.
They're going to do what the blackmail scheme says.
But they're not going to be, you know, moving these DTs and creating giant holes that somebody that you know dancing around wait for the whole open up, which you can do at the next level.
But you can do at this level it really really kind of changes the outlook.
And if if he's running decisively, you're getting 2 to 3 years of crack, which drastically changes what they can play. Call.
So, um, not to be completely derailed from where original topic went, but we got completely derailed from our original topic.
Went Yeah, I mean, it's weird because they all influence each other like him.
Being able to run successfully opens up the past a little more for DeVito because the linebackers come playoff a little.
They have to respect the run so they can't, you know, sit back and coverage.
Um, they may have to bring more pressure, which may open up the run more like there's there's a lot of weird, you know, they call it a chess match.
It's more like a teeter totter every time the wait goes one way or the other, like you have to counterbalance or you're kind of S O l.
So, um, yeah, that was the long winded answer to what Syracuse could do on defense against Duke.
I mean, I was I was literally going to say I think Tucker is going to be important because teams like there's no way you can start him like he's getting start.
He's going to get the bulk of the carries until he can't run anymore because of injury or because of just doing poorly.
Um, that being said, if I'm Duke, Your know that when he's in the backfield, balls probably gonna end up in his hands and if it's not in his hands, he's not the best pass blocker, which is definitely something that will work on.
He'll be better at by the time that he's, you know, an upperclassman.
It's just that right now is a freshman.
He's not very good at it, which is to be expected.
So if I see him in the back field like lined up in any kind of single back set like you are, just bring it.
Just bring all the rush because you know it's probably going to be a run or he's gonna have to pass block on bond.
In general, you're probably gonna get to the backfield in script A veto.
So with all of that happening, can he still be decisive? Can he still show what he showed last week? And you get 2 to 3 yards because again as you just said 2 to 3 yards every time opens up the short passing game opens up the video to be quick and get into a rhythm early.
And if you could get into a rhythm early or you can just kind of all the defensive sleep early, it will open up the long passing game.
And I do think that in general, Syracuse is going to be a team that either has like 10 plays, moves the ball 30 yards and then punts or has four plays.
Scores a touchdown in the fourth play, and it's like 50 plus yards like E think that's what we have.
It's obviously not the ideal Dino Babers offense, Um, but it's a Dino Babers offense that gets points on the board.
Defense is good enough to work with it to justify your your thoughts.
By the way, Sean Tucker created out the worst pass block around team by a one chest.
No, not by a long shot.
Luke Benson was right there with them, so oh, well, that's a whole different conversation on Tucker.
You got 24 of the 26 carries in non garbage time, so I think he's the starter.
Yeah, I mean again, I want to just caveat it because Babers did say that Jordan got a quote unquote owie.
Um, so that means that there was an injury factor into that.
But when you play as well as you did in your name the A C c rookie of the week, you're probably gonna play it.
Yeah, I want so so drastically Want to see George Jordan in that older overall? Yeah, I think I think that's something.
You know what we see? Probably like Not this week.
Maybe not against liberty, but like when Wake Forest drills around, that's something that they start introducing when there's a lot more film and they need to start introducing new looks in order to get something going, start, start throwing a little ****** wrenching plans.
And, yeah, it stinks because it's something that we'd rather see earlier.
But I also understand the football aspect of it of like it's a long season.
You want to create matchups.
You want to make certain looks look like certain way.
So that way you Yeah, like I get it.
There's coaches air weird.
They're thinking in a very different headspace than we are.
And as long as they with.
If I were them, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near our head.
Space s We're just We're just enjoying our whole beers and talking about apple orchards.
Ugo on the fighting buys right? Buys.
I can't wait to see what happened with that game.
I wish we could give you a result right now, but I don't know how that game ended now.
Yeah, I predicted score.
So scored a music.
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