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00:00:02
Who is that beautiful delay? Yeah, here we go.
00:00:25
And with that now, officially, we are live on SportsCastr.
00:00:29
And, of course, coming in with myself.
00:00:30
Adam arm wrecked Laurence Owen over there doing the darn thing.
00:00:34
We talked about our Thursday night preview last night ahead of the game between the Denver Broncos and the New York Jets.
00:00:40
Unfortunately, listen, you came probably the closest out of us in terms of predictions, but this one was maybe a little bit different than we expected.
00:00:50
And at the same time, kind of what we expected.
00:00:53
What were your initial thoughts as the Denver Broncos get themselves toe one in three and the New York Jets fall now toe own for you're right way all expected kind of a low scoring game because we were, like, bad teams.
00:01:07
But we didn't take into consideration with bad teams come bad defense, right? And so that really kind of helped the score really jump up above the over big time.
00:01:19
I mean, big time over.
00:01:20
Uh so, uh, there? I don't.
00:01:25
My initial thought was I was looking at ribbon and he's got potential, considering yes, he had some really bad decision.
00:01:33
Bad throws in this game, but my thoughts was my goodness there.
00:01:38
There were times when he was dropping specific that he he looked good on some throws and some decisions.
00:01:45
So I, uh, and being that, he was just signed right off the street, you know, to play and then did well enough to win, he might have himself.
00:01:56
Ah, starting job the rest of the season. I think.
00:01:59
Yeah, you talk about, obviously withdrew lock there and where the shoulder is, and they're not going to risk forcing him in there.
00:02:05
And and also it's it could be up in the air for the Denver Broncos.
00:02:08
You can take whoever the best available option is for you.
00:02:11
So I think ripping did himself a good favor, whether it's with the Broncos or down the line.
00:02:15
Just being able to maybe get a spot where your backup and a chance for open competition.
00:02:20
You know what? Honestly, you could think about a place like Chicago could jump out to you that they've moved on from Robiskie.
00:02:25
You have Nick Foles holding the position for someone else, so yeah, that I love seeing young guys that you don't anticipate having the success the way that rip and certainly did.
00:02:34
And while he had his mistakes and this one will get into them, he also said show it's a nice touch.
00:02:39
We briefly looked at that last night in terms of the scouting report on him coming out of college.
00:02:43
He has a lot of a lot of the tools you want from a starting NFL quarterback.
00:02:47
Some limitations there, but first sample size.
00:02:50
And by the way, he came in on a short week.
00:02:53
Two.
00:02:54
So didn't have all the reps you wanna have with your team.
00:02:55
So all those things playing against him still finds a way to get his first NFL win in his first NFL start.
00:03:01
So when we think about you started this game and where this all went, um, inconsistency on the opening drive for the Denver defense.
00:03:12
But I don't want to diminish what was a really exciting play.
00:03:14
I I text Scott Mason of the play like a jet podcast.
00:03:18
We've done some work with him before, and he I said, Did you know that that Darnall was capable of that type of run? And he said yes.
00:03:26
So, like from his end of it.
00:03:27
He knew that he was capable of that, but we talked about it.
00:03:30
What did you see on that play? That wow, great 50 yard run for a touchdown.
00:03:34
But there's a reason why he was able to do that.
00:03:37
Oh, yeah, Well, I knew he had he had it in him, But, I mean, let's let's be realistic here.
00:03:44
I mean, there was probably four or five times that Sam Donald ran right by a Denver defender and the defender was staring at him like, What are you doing down here? I mean, they were I'm not gonna tackle you.
00:04:00
I shouldn't. I shouldn't be tackling you over here. Yeah.
00:04:02
No, no, no, no, no.
00:04:03
You're supposed to be behind the You know e mean.
00:04:05
Come on, man.
00:04:06
It was It was It was really sloppy.
00:04:09
Bad play on that on that Denver defense that allowed, uh, Sam Donald to get down the field like that because it's not like he was, um, lighting it up when he was running the football.
00:04:21
And it didn't look like too many defenders down there.
00:04:26
Especially like the safeties in the corners.
00:04:28
They weren't being blocked out that well, So you expect from a Denver defense to be able to stop something like that.
00:04:36
I mean, that's not Lamar Jackson out on the field, right? And the other part of that, too, is you think about.
00:04:42
As you know, the Jets are incredibly depleted, wide receiving corps, so and not that again.
00:04:47
Like you say, Sam Donald isn't Lamar Jackson, but on any given play, your secondary should always kind of have an eye in the backfield, because you shouldn't be overly concerned about losing track of a wide receiver and not trusting your help over the top to say, all right if he gets past me, can you keep up with and I want to throw out a name, but none of their names come to come to mind here for the Jets receiving corps.
00:05:09
So that's another element there where you feel like you should.
00:05:12
You should never be risking Donald impacting a game, especially on the opening drive like that.
00:05:17
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to take away from San Donald's ability because that's one thing that really a big plus to his play is his scrambling ability to be able to get out of trouble.
00:05:30
But Denver's known for their defense, and they had a week over a week.
00:05:37
Well, not quite a week.
00:05:38
Okay, so they've had, what, four days? But they knew.
00:05:42
I mean, they watched film on.
00:05:44
They knew he could run the football and that he liked to run the football. Right.
00:05:49
Uh, offensive line.
00:05:50
You expect him to probably be scrambling on occasion? Yeah.
00:05:54
I mean, he had, Let's see here.
00:05:56
He led the team in rushing six carries, 84 yards now, granted, like 50 of those yards were on one carry, but he generally has about six carries a game where he just talks.
00:06:08
It goes.
00:06:09
And so the defense knew it was coming.
00:06:11
Um, so I I don't I don't understand how how they allow that to just blow.
00:06:17
I mean, he literally it looked like it looked like he was running through cones.
00:06:22
Yeah, it felt like that thing of is everyone else in slow motion right now because he didn't have to really do a burst.
00:06:28
It was just kind of a casual, methodical trot down the field.
00:06:30
So when that play unfolded live, I just kept waiting for him to get taken down or waiting from the slide.
00:06:35
You know, I was like and then around.
00:06:36
I think on the 20 I was like, he Oh, he always going like you because you saw it open up on the back end.
00:06:41
We were like, Okay, that's a touchdown now, and I can't believe it just happened.
00:06:44
But here we are.
00:06:45
Um, as we worked our way through these first couple of quarters here towards half time, we said Like what we saw from ripping.
00:06:51
He was doing some things well, they moved the ball.
00:06:53
But there was that big play on the first touchdown pass for them where the against Too bad teams.
00:07:00
So you kind of expect this desire, dropping back all the chance in the world to just pluck that baby out of the air.
00:07:06
He ends up having a really nice game in this one.
00:07:08
But that's a play where Jerry Judy is just kind of have to be shocked and just kind of casually backpedaled into the end zone when he realizes U s so funny. It's reminiscent.
00:07:19
Go back to Peyton Manning's time in Denver.
00:07:21
If you remember the A F C championship game the year before he won the Super Bowl.
00:07:25
I'll forget the cornerback, but he went back on the ball, had all the opportunities to jump up and grab it, and he mistimed it so poorly that it ended up being a touchdown going the other way.
00:07:36
And that's the same kind of thing.
00:07:37
It looks like this year was just like this is a freebie and somehow managed.
00:07:40
Just let that thing catch him in the face mask and could not.
00:07:43
Well, would have been a real momentum shift there already scoring, you know, on opening drive, touchdown and being in the lead there.
00:07:48
Yeah, you lost the top two.
00:07:49
They have three interceptions in a single game.
00:07:51
I mean, wow, but And we, as Spectators watching the game, weren't the only one shop when he reached when the receiver reached over him and grabbed the football off of the Sears face masks and landed.
00:08:06
You seen him kind of stopped and looked down this year like that just happened, you know, before he decided to go ahead, turn around and walk into the end zone.
00:08:15
You, the receiver, was just a shocked as we were.
00:08:18
Yeah, it was always a recipe for success defense when we When we go in Now, the next layer deeper is talking about inside these stats.
00:08:27
We kind of highlighted it there just in terms of the inconsistencies.
00:08:30
But just by the numbers.
00:08:32
Man, you're talking about two teams and in the latter stages, the Jets really looked pretty poor from not just from a ah sloppiness standpoint, but from a discipline standpoint.
00:08:40
I know a lot of people say, Well, you have when you have.
00:08:42
Greg Williams is a defensive coordinator.
00:08:44
You may see some of that, but you saw it on the offensive side to for both teams, really.
00:08:48
11 penalties for 118 yards for the New York Jets.
00:08:53
Not to be too far off, eight for 94 for the Denver Broncos.
00:08:56
Ah, lot of personal foul penalties and that really, in a game where time of possession 31 to 28 narrowly in favor of Denver, the penalties hurt you.
00:09:07
And this is where we get into that weird area of talking also about, uh, the idea of turnovers, right? So as much as we like some of the things we saw from ripping, he threw three picks in this one and some of them we talked about this year.
00:09:19
Ah, beautiful toe toucher on the sideline when it was a throwing away opportunity and he seemed to throw it into Diz ear.
00:09:26
When you win a turnover battle like that plus three, I don't know what the percentages are, but you are supposed Thio.
00:09:34
I would say 97 out of 100 times, if not Mawr win that game.
00:09:40
And it's on Lee because of inconsistency and sloppy penalties that you somehow find yourself trailing at the back end of this one going back to that that sideline interception by this year, that was right there, made up.
00:09:54
I'm not gonna say made up.
00:09:55
I'm sorry, but it's gonna show complete opposite of what we saw on the first possible interception because that was one of the most difficult catches a wide receiver couldn't make.
00:10:06
I mean, my goodness, the way he was able to keep both his feet and they ruled it an incomplete pass, you know, they had to go back and look at it.
00:10:15
And even on the first play through, we were like, Wait a minute, I got to see that a little closer a little slower because, I mean, you did.
00:10:22
You couldn't tell.
00:10:23
He did have both the speed.
00:10:24
It was a beautiful interception.
00:10:26
Unbelievable.
00:10:27
But my goodness, when you have the problem, Okay, so you have three.
00:10:34
Should have been four intercessions for the Jets, but they gave up six sacks.
00:10:41
You know, they gave up six sacks to Denver, so that kind of really I mean, that's kind of like getting a turnover.
00:10:50
When you get a sack and you put a team in a bad situation where they're on, like, second or third and long or something like that, that's that's kind of like a turnover, too.
00:11:01
And they had six of them.
00:11:02
So because you're you're forcing them to punt because, you know, giving them bad yardage. Negative yardage.
00:11:09
Um, the biggest thing is those penalties were killer on the Jets.
00:11:18
I mean, there was, like, five personal fouls like five.
00:11:23
Like that one where they finally got a sack, had a chance at the end of the game.
00:11:29
They got a sack on ripping, and it was quitting Williams, I think. Yeah.
00:11:36
And he got his hand in the face in the helmet, man.
00:11:39
And instead of getting a sack.
00:11:41
They gave him a free 15 freaking yards on a first down, which ended up giving another shot and ended up leading the Broncos toe.
00:11:49
Getting the basically, you know, walk away, score win.
00:11:53
So, yeah, it's the floppy play that really, even though there was a lot of points on the board, it was the defense of sloppy play on both sides that allowed both these offenses to stay on the field and make the score run up as high as it went.
00:12:10
And then you talk about because really, we'll skip over what was going on.
00:12:14
Next thing specifically around the defense, because that's right where your mind goes in terms of inconsistency in this game.
00:12:19
But you mentioned it before.
00:12:21
We're getting on here about Melvin Gordon, right? You think about 20? It was a 23 carries, 107 yards, two touchdowns, Boy, pretty impressive, but he really breaks off that beautiful run on one play.
00:12:33
Without that, the Jets defense does a pretty good job containing that rushing attack, right? You think about all the sudden you even look inside of the receiver numbers, right? Patrick, for Denver leads the team there with 100 plus yards and a touchdown.
00:12:45
So you know it's thing.
00:12:47
This is the obvious statement off bad teams.
00:12:51
This is what happens even when you're playing well, and I think both defensive front you came into it.
00:12:55
We highlighted this last night.
00:12:56
Offensive lines, right, narrowly getting above plus yardage in terms of the run game 1000.
00:13:01
7 in terms of point of attack when they get met.
00:13:04
Behind those lines pressures 37 for Denver coming to the game, 42 for the Jets.
00:13:09
So you knew that in spite of not necessarily having a balanced level of weapons across both defensive front and Denver dealing with their injuries there, you knew you get pressure.
00:13:18
You knew you'd be able to get home a handful of times.
00:13:20
And yet you also had to expect that at some point the dam breaks.
00:13:24
So if you're the Jets and your Gregg Williams, you say, boy, if we can contain, if we could contain Melvin Gordon and we expect that we could get some mistakes at a rip in recipe for success and yet and you can't do the last thing, you can't stop that last big run and That's the back breaker I have now.
00:13:43
I get Gates was wanting to win this game really bad, right? Because, I mean, he's just been under the hot see all season.
00:13:50
But how do you start Mukai Beck? And when he shouldn't have been even in that game, it's a great listen.
00:13:57
We Yeah, I didn't even I thought about this as we were going here.
00:14:02
You want to win the game, as you say, but risking a guy like that and I think they even set it on the broadcaster in the postgame off how you take a guy that you don't think is healthy enough to start.
00:14:16
But you put him as the backup to who you were planning on starting there.
00:14:19
Then you end up starting him anyway.
00:14:21
Then he tweaked something.
00:14:22
He comes and you know, it's just you're risking the health of your of your what's supposed to be a 10 year starter for you at minimum left tackle, you're risking his health and your number one.
00:14:30
No, you can't do that.
00:14:31
You can't do that.
00:14:32
I don't care how important this isn't a playoff game.
00:14:35
They're not fighting to make the playoffs.
00:14:37
Come on, man, this is This is, as you say, this is your future.
00:14:42
This is your future.
00:14:44
Left tackle the guy that's supposed If you believe in Sam Donald, then that's the guy protecting Sam Donald's blindside the rest of his freaking career.
00:14:53
You know, you got to keep him healthy.
00:14:55
I mean, that shoulder is so important to an offensive lineman.
00:14:59
Come on, you can't.
00:15:00
You can't put him in the game.
00:15:02
He shouldn't even been suited up for this game.
00:15:04
Then listen.
00:15:05
And I know is we think NFL In general, we know, right? Players want to get out there.
00:15:09
They want to play, they want to compete.
00:15:10
But and while the NFL is always, we say it's, you know, listen, it's next man up mentality and also everyone's on uneven playing field.
00:15:18
Nobody's better than the other whatever, but it's not true.
00:15:20
I I even hesitated briefly when they when when Donald went out with that initially right, got slammed to the ground on that shoulder immediately was reaching for it.
00:15:28
When he goes out, he's on the sideline coming out of the medical tent. E.
00:15:31
I mean that shoulder, it's slumped and and again I get it if he's well enough to play, you put him back in the game.
00:15:37
But it, But still, if you're concerned about him, even in the slightest I'm talking up, I go.
00:15:41
Listen, we're Oh, and three, Let's put out Joe Flacco.
00:15:45
Let's see what happens in this game and let's just go ahead and move on to the next week and make sure that what we still believe in, organizationally, our franchise quarterback.
00:15:53
Let's not go ahead and do some permanent damage to this kid.
00:15:56
They potentially could compound and and forced him to miss time this year or even into next season.
00:16:01
It kind of was reminiscent of when Detroit, Matt Stafford and his rookie season, when he went down and dislocated his shoulder and then he comes right back in and throws that touchdown pass is like I get that he could do that, and that's awesome.
00:16:17
I have a ton of respect for him for being able to do that, But oh, my goodness, what are you doing? I mean, that can ruin a guy's career now, to be fair.
00:16:27
To be fair, it looked like Sam Donald as he played it looked like he never got hurt at all.
00:16:32
So exactly Yeah, it looks like being didn't look near.
00:16:36
Turned out to not be a severe is it looked, But I think it ends up going tandem when you think about him acai, Beckton and these injuries and still having him out there yet then it automatically makes you wonder if Sam Donald is struggling with something and risking his health. We won't.
00:16:50
We won't belabor that from that standpoint, but let's now get into a little bit of Sam Donald here right now we know doesn't have a lot of weapons there on on the team is missing.
00:16:58
Even live Ian Bell behind him right now, using the ageless wonder Frank Gore in the backfield.
00:17:04
If we assume that he was 100% healthy throughout this game, when you really get into his numbers and say Okay, so what I'm seeing here is a guy that who, at the very least, you least have a competent running back behind you regards of where he is in his career, you know, six carries for 84 yards.
00:17:20
That's a beautiful one.
00:17:21
Long of 46 obviously, but 23 of 40 to 230 yards, No touchdowns, no interceptions.
00:17:27
Ran for the one, as you say, Got sacks six times for loss of 54 still in a cube cube er of 73.
00:17:34
Which is almost shocking, given how this game looked at certain points.
00:17:38
But the other one that I thought about here, too, is offensively.
00:17:42
The average.
00:17:43
I wanna make sure I get it right.
00:17:44
3.
00:17:45
8 yards per pass play.
00:17:47
That's what they came out of this game with.
00:17:49
When you when you factor in the sacks, what are we looking at here? We talked about it in pregame last night.
00:17:55
Are we really able to evaluate Sam's Arnold? Is it a product of the new and trying to jell offensive line? Who's responsible for this? Oh, the front office's response.
00:18:05
They need a new offensive line.
00:18:06
You got my kid back then.
00:18:08
Yes, but he shouldn't have been playing in that game anyhow.
00:18:11
But the rest of the offensive line was often Nick Chubb was in that backfield so often that I I think that he, you know, changed his postal address.
00:18:19
You know, it was it was bad.
00:18:22
It was bad.
00:18:24
That offensive line needs to be.
00:18:26
It's every week.
00:18:27
Sam Donald is running for his life.
00:18:29
It doesn't matter who they're playing.
00:18:31
So it's obvious that the offensive line is is the problem right here Doesn't matter what wide receivers you have.
00:18:40
You could have five really crappy wide receivers.
00:18:43
If you have a really good quarterback in a good offensive line protecting them, he'll find a way to get the receivers to football.
00:18:51
But if that really good quarterback doesn't have timeto go through his progressions to find it, then there's there's nothing there.
00:19:00
They gotta find better replacement on that offensive line.
00:19:04
There's no doubt now.
00:19:06
The interesting thing, too, is B.
00:19:07
And we'll take the big picture of you for a moment on Ah, player like Donald.
00:19:11
You know, in his career now completing under 60% of his passes, this point in his career 39 up, 32 down.
00:19:19
Um, I wonder, and because coming out of college that the idea was this guy is a bit of that Brett Farve gun slinger mentality.
00:19:27
And you can do that when you have quality players around you, because you'll you'll live with some of the bad place because you gonna give you a great one on the next drive.
00:19:34
I do wonder if this is probably one of the worst case scenarios for Sam Donald having that mentality and then coming into the Jets where they are is an organization.
00:19:44
It's going to inspire you to want to do more of those risky kind of plays.
00:19:49
You know, they talk about 64 65% kind of being that threshold that you wanna live in two to start to move the needle on wins and losses as a quarterback sub 60% completion percentage, that is, that is a bad stat trending the wrong way, regardless of the team around you.
00:20:06
If you're Sam Donaldson, you can't maybe reign that in and just say, you know what? I'm gonna dio.
00:20:11
I'm gonna put a great resume out there for the next place that I go, that I can control the game, that I can find my routes even if they're not the greatest wide receivers in the world.
00:20:20
I'm not going to be the reason that we lose a game now.
00:20:23
He didn't throw any turn, no turnovers in this one.
00:20:25
That's all fine and well.
00:20:26
But in year three in spite of missing games to injury, the the number under 60% completion percentage.
00:20:33
That, to me is a red flag off.
00:20:35
This is not a franchise quarterback.
00:20:38
Well, under 60% completion percentage also has a lot to do with, uh, throwing while under duress.
00:20:45
That that is, there's a rare breed of quarterback out there that does very well under the rest.
00:20:51
Russell Wilson, for instance.
00:20:53
It's like he lives to be under duress.
00:20:55
But in your general vicinity, if a quarterback under duress, they're going toe have very poor percentage.
00:21:05
And like I said, that has all to do with with that offensive line.
00:21:10
Um, honestly.
00:21:12
And this is this is the truth.
00:21:13
I feel as though Sam Donald was on the Denver Broncos.
00:21:17
Denver has a shot at being undefeated right now.
00:21:20
He's the kind of player that again situation situational e.
00:21:24
If you're in a better spot, things will look a lot differently.
00:21:27
I just in the background there, pulled up because I want to think about a guy like Baker Mayfield, who's been up and down and inconsistent but has a lot of weapons and a lot of talent on that team.
00:21:37
Well, 61 a half, almost 60 to completion percentage for his career to this point, but 54 to 37 in terms of up and down.
00:21:43
Now look at the wide receivers.
00:21:45
Look at the weapons, Look at the running backs.
00:21:47
You know that he has all the options in the world, have success and that at the very least, though, even when a team is inconsistent, at least by the way, goes back to the choice.
00:21:57
You let Robby Anderson walk away.
00:21:59
I know maybe he's not a true number one, whatever the case may be.
00:22:02
But when you're when you're supposed franchise quarterback comes out and says, I really like throwing to this guy and you go, you know, Well, dio we're gonna bring in Perryman.
00:22:09
No, no, no.
00:22:10
We understand that he gets hurt all the time, and by the way, that's how he starts this season.
00:22:13
But it's going to be okay like this is again.
00:22:15
You said before front office.
00:22:17
Like Boy, do you want this guy to be successful or again? That's what I wanna know quietly behind the scenes, because, by the way, Adam Case didn't wasn't there when they drafted Sam Donald and he's the Q B whisperer.
00:22:27
Maybe he doesn't want him.
00:22:28
Maybe he's not a Sam Donald guy, and he's not going to do anything more than he absolutely has.
00:22:34
Thio toe.
00:22:35
Offer him an opportunity to have success, so it just just it screens. It screams.
00:22:39
This disappointment and dysfunction is really what you see from the Jet side of things and and and to your point, I think I came out of this game thinking, Listen, Denver is is a pretty good team, like even teams that are bad and are gonna win a lot of games.
00:22:54
You still feel like man thes bones air.
00:22:56
Good, right? We We like a lot of what we're doing here on this roster, including a Jerry Judy.
00:23:00
They're missing Sutton.
00:23:01
Right now.
00:23:02
There's a lot of there's a lot of pieces there to get excited about, and you can come out of this season at six wins, seven wins.
00:23:08
Whatever the case may turn out to be and feel like you're going in the right direction, that's not how you felt about the Jets.
00:23:13
Oh, no, no.
00:23:15
See, uh, Denver is just losing a few pieces from from you know injury from the Yeah.
00:23:22
I mean, you got Von Miller.
00:23:23
Nick Chubb hasn't hasn't looked great because he hasn't had this guy on the opposite side taking off some of that pressure.
00:23:29
Your starting quarterback goes down, you're you're having a little bit of inconsistency wide receiver due to injuries and stuff.
00:23:37
So but there they've been in games.
00:23:41
They have shown stuff.
00:23:43
They were on three.
00:23:44
But they you know, I mean, if you have some of those pieces back, you expect them to probably make it more of a competitive game and possibly win those games.
00:23:53
Whereas the Jets, this is the first time they even look, they didn't even look competent for in my own opinion in this game.
00:24:01
But at least they got some points up, but they there is just a mess from top to bottom all the way around.
00:24:09
Every every stat you look at on this Jets team, whether it's defensively offensively, percentage wise, it doesn't matter.
00:24:17
It's all bad.
00:24:19
And that that's all. Front office.
00:24:21
That's all way up there at the top, putting a team together.
00:24:24
I don't even know if you could even put this on gays.
00:24:27
I know I know the Jets fans.
00:24:28
They all want gays gone.
00:24:29
I don't even know if you could put it on gates right now.
00:24:31
I think this has a lot to do with that top brass front office, and that's where we go is kind of our closing out segment here and review of the Thursday night football game.
00:24:41
You mentioned it last night on the preview show, right? And we all said, Listen, they came out.
00:24:45
They said they were not getting rid of gays.
00:24:46
We're gonna ride through this season and in a lot of ways, you know, making making those kind of switches e.
00:24:51
I don't I don't know how what it improves for your really right.
00:24:54
You're gonna go to Greg Williams and in totality.
00:24:58
When you come out of this game, you say front office and I know that everyone likes Douglas.
00:25:03
Everyone believes that he's a really good GM.
00:25:06
This is only his first opportunity to start to refresh this roster, so you have to kind of give a little bit of a leash there for him.
00:25:13
I looked at the penalties are one thing, but then and but then the bad plays, you know the dirty plays, as we say, right? Getting into that Greg Williams closet and saying, Yeah, that that's what this That's what his defense is.
00:25:24
Air like Adam Jase.
00:25:26
How, how hot should the seat be? Should he be in better control of those of those players and of those moments and maybe going to Greg Williams and saying, Listen, when they're trying to burn out the clock here and they can't just taken me at this point and were quickly lost this game? Yeah, you can go ahead and not be going into the face of the quarterback and not be bludgeoning into the ground like just live with it.
00:25:47
We've lost this game.
00:25:48
The defense didn't play well enough.
00:25:49
Why don't you go ahead and make those adjustments before we get into this situation, as opposed to taking some of these cheap shots at the back end of it? And all of those things? Penalties included.
00:25:58
That's what that that's where I go.
00:26:00
This This is why the head coach should really be on the hot seat.
00:26:03
It's not about Windsor losses, you know it's a bad team. You need to get better.
00:26:06
But on a week to week basis.
00:26:08
You want to see consistency? You want to see discipline? You want to see development? What does that indicate to you for Adam? Gays? Even if the Jets aren't gonna let him go, would you? If you were if you were Douglas, say I gotta pull the cord here, because now the team is really deteriorating around you.
00:26:22
In a lot of ways, man, it's actually kind of a tough call.
00:26:26
It's kind of like the same Donald call.
00:26:28
In my opinion, um, I believe that, Sam.
00:26:33
Me personally from me watching film.
00:26:35
I think Sam Donald has talent, but you ain't seeing it right now.
00:26:40
Uh, not not on a consistent basis.
00:26:42
Uh, Sam Gates are Adam Gates.
00:26:47
He's got a terrible team that he's working with.
00:26:50
Terrible team.
00:26:52
How do you legitimized firing somebody that starts out 14 when the talent level, that team is equal to Utah State.
00:27:05
I mean, you know, I Come on, man.
00:27:08
Um, yeah.
00:27:11
Me and Joe Nouveau talked about this, I think Tuesday or Wednesday or something like that.
00:27:18
Where What if you do fire days, does it become? Does it become like a round robin of tryouts for head coaches every game.
00:27:30
You put someone until someone wins.
00:27:32
You could help because that's that's basically what you would have to do because you can't have Greg Williams, because next thing you know, Sam Darnel will be freaking tackling people out there.
00:27:42
You know? I mean, because that's what that's the kind of defensive coach he is.
00:27:47
Um, I I don't I don't want Williams in there.
00:27:52
So Gaze is the obvious option for the rest of the season.
00:27:56
But you got to see Gates like you said.
00:27:58
You kind of alluded to it earlier.
00:28:00
He's got to take control and take the reins, and if he loses this seem completely, then he's gone.
00:28:07
It's kind of like with the Browns last season, right? If you lose that team completely, you're gone because there's no way a head coach can come back if he loses that locker room.
00:28:18
No, I agree, and I don't think any reason to to make the move, not for a lack of, of not liking what you're seeing, but I just don't think you advance anything by not doing it.
00:28:28
I'll be curious to see if Douglas goes inside this.
00:28:31
Ross, you always talk about teams as you approach the midway point of the season as you approach the trade deadline.
00:28:35
What are the other couple of assets on this roster that you maybe look at and by the way there and they're few and far between? But do you maybe look at and say, Hey, if we could get a couple extra draft picks next year, even the back end stuff help us move around the board a little bit? Those are the kind of things that you that I expect to see from a team like the Jets as you move through the season, as opposed to making any riel, head coaching or significant personnel change.
00:28:58
We get out the door here on this.
00:29:00
I just pull up these stats one last time to remind everybody.
00:29:03
But you're talking about 242 passing yards for for ricin, not not tearing the world up.
00:29:08
We mentioned the three turnovers.
00:29:09
They're just north of 100 yards, seven first downs from penalties for the Denver Broncos.
00:29:16
That that's that's symbolic and indicative of exactly how this game went.
00:29:19
Give him a second, give them a third, give him 1/4 opportunity to make something happen on the offensive side of the ball, through a lack of discipline on the defensive side.
00:29:28
That's how you lose games when you're a bad team trying to rebuild.
00:29:32
So I just, you know, there's not a ton to tear away from this thing other than to say what we thought about the Jets.
00:29:37
I think we confirmed it in this one, and and the optimism around the Broncos, you can have that.
00:29:41
You can feel that if you're Denver Broncos fan, you got the win first and foremost.
00:29:45
And I think, do you feel like, Hey, we were just some injuries away from being a nice competitive team? So will be interesting to see as you move.
00:29:52
Now that's a quart of the season mark for the Jets owned. Four.
00:29:55
This is typically where you start to lose players right where they start to say, I had a nagging injury and and it looks like it's actually gonna be season ending for me.
00:30:02
I'd love to be around for you, right? And the other, by the way, and this is getting a little I don't wanna get erratic.
00:30:07
The other staff that I did see there, though, is well, was talk about you.
00:30:10
Talk about Jamison Crowder.
00:30:12
You know, seven catches for 100 yards just as a footnote.
00:30:15
Man, you don't even have to give Donald elite quality talent.
00:30:19
Just consistent.
00:30:20
Solid route running possession receivers are more than enough for him.
00:30:24
And that beating a dead horse, you're off.
00:30:27
That's the indicative of why the struggles are for the Jets organization.
00:30:30
Oh, yeah, I I completely agree.
00:30:33
Like I said, you know, I mean, you get him somebody who can, like, even though he's under pressure all the time, if you could get him or receiver that he can trust, you know? And that's being Crowder.
00:30:46
He trust him to be where he needs him to bay. Exactly.
00:30:49
Just where you could try, um, something I did like waas.
00:30:55
Third down, Efficiency 6 to 12 for Denver.
00:30:58
That's that's not terrible.
00:31:01
But then you go over here to the Jets and you see eight of 19.
00:31:05
All right now, I don't I don't That's that's still little bit.
00:31:09
Let's well below 50%.
00:31:11
I want to see above 50% to get to be able to see the score that we saw.
00:31:17
That's What we need to see is above 50% 3rd down efficiency and by the way, to that point as well, because we always say turnovers, third down efficiency.
00:31:27
Those are the two biggest factors and winning or losing games.
00:31:29
And Denver beats the odds on the turnover battle here.
00:31:32
Go inside of it as well.
00:31:33
We talked about Donald getting hit 66 sacks.
00:31:35
They're losing 54 yards clean for the Denver Broncos.
00:31:39
And Ripen did not take a sack.
00:31:41
Did not lose any yard there in spite of taking hits.
00:31:43
Got that ball out of there, got, you know, got found a way.
00:31:46
So in this, by the way, is a former New York Giants head coach, Pat Shurmur.
00:31:50
At least understood.
00:31:51
I got a guy first start of his career.
00:31:54
I'm gonna get this thing out of his hands quickly as possible.
00:31:55
Now, is it gonna cost me a turnover here and there? Maybe it will, but avoiding losing yardage on second down and getting yourself into a really third and long hole and affecting field position even more frequently than you would like.
00:32:07
That's also a recipe for disaster as well.
00:32:10
So you know you know Sam Donald.
00:32:12
If you're the Jets find a way to protect him.
00:32:14
Find a way to get this ball out of his hands quickly, consistently.
00:32:17
That's also a way that you mitigate some of the risk of having a bad offensive line.
00:32:21
So there's another another footnote around the things that the Jets didn't do so well.
00:32:25
But let's ideo keep the praise on the Denver Broncos.
00:32:29
You came out.
00:32:30
You play a clean game with a rookie quarterback.
00:32:32
For the most part, in terms of offensively, you got yourself a W.
00:32:35
I mean, that's, you know, hang your hat on that.
00:32:37
I don't think that you could really say that.
00:32:39
Hey was really rushed to throw the past ripping.
00:32:42
He wasn't really doing a whole lot of short I completion passes.
00:32:46
You were seeing a lot of 15 2025 yard passes from ripping all throughout the game.
00:32:52
I mean, nearly eight yards per pass play.
00:32:56
So I mean, it's right where you want you want to be right around eight yards and higher is solid for for NFL.
00:33:01
And they were doing that.
00:33:02
Yeah, Gordon only had two catches this game.
00:33:04
Yeah, Yeah.
00:33:06
I also quiet in the receiving game for him as well.
00:33:08
100%.
00:33:09
And that's usually indicative of a quarterback to your point, trying to get it out of his hands quickly.
00:33:12
Let the running back sweep out and let him get the yards after the catch for you know, he was doing it through the air and you suffer into your point.
00:33:19
Three interceptions were even when he was really being rushed.
00:33:21
It was just some some bad decision making.
00:33:23
Yeah, bad, bad decision, making, bad placement, that first touchdown that he threw.
00:33:27
That was a terrible throw.
00:33:29
Yeah.
00:33:30
I mean, that was a terribly terrible under thrown ball that should have been intercepted easily.
00:33:36
Um, there was a couple overthrows under throws, and then there was a few times where he finally hit it right on the money, you know? But I guess that's what happens when you're throwing darts.
00:33:46
Yeah, well, and that's scouting report.
00:33:49
The guy will go for a triple when a single is available.
00:33:51
We saw that and he still managed to get the W.
00:33:55
As we wrap this one up, it was Listen, it was at least an entertaining Thursday night football game.
00:33:59
We actually got an entertaining one last week between the Jaguars and the Dolphins.
00:34:03
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Got the first one of the season there.
00:34:59
And then Emily, Texas.
00:35:00
Y'all was in here from literally second one.
00:35:03
So shout out to her for joining in.
00:35:05
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00:35:15
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00:35:19
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00:36:17
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00:36:19
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00:36:22
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00:36:26
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00:36:28
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Report: Jets coach Adam Gase isn’t going anywhere this season

Adam Gase’s New York Jets fell to 0-4 with an ugly 37-28 loss to the Denver Broncos on Thursday night, but Gase’s job still isn’t in jeopardy. In fact, while it sure seems as if Gase is, or at least should be, on the hot seat, The Athletic’s Connor Hughes reports the Jets don’t plan […]

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00:00:02
Who is that beautiful delay? Yeah, here we go.
00:00:25
And with that now, officially, we are live on SportsCastr.
00:00:29
And, of course, coming in with myself.
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Adam arm wrecked Laurence Owen over there doing the darn thing.
00:00:34
We talked about our Thursday night preview last night ahead of the game between the Denver Broncos and the New York Jets.
00:00:40
Unfortunately, listen, you came probably the closest out of us in terms of predictions, but this one was maybe a little bit different than we expected.
00:00:50
And at the same time, kind of what we expected.
00:00:53
What were your initial thoughts as the Denver Broncos get themselves toe one in three and the New York Jets fall now toe own for you're right way all expected kind of a low scoring game because we were, like, bad teams.
00:01:07
But we didn't take into consideration with bad teams come bad defense, right? And so that really kind of helped the score really jump up above the over big time.
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I mean, big time over.
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Uh so, uh, there? I don't.
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My initial thought was I was looking at ribbon and he's got potential, considering yes, he had some really bad decision.
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Bad throws in this game, but my thoughts was my goodness there.
00:01:38
There were times when he was dropping specific that he he looked good on some throws and some decisions.
00:01:45
So I, uh, and being that, he was just signed right off the street, you know, to play and then did well enough to win, he might have himself.
00:01:56
Ah, starting job the rest of the season. I think.
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Yeah, you talk about, obviously withdrew lock there and where the shoulder is, and they're not going to risk forcing him in there.
00:02:05
And and also it's it could be up in the air for the Denver Broncos.
00:02:08
You can take whoever the best available option is for you.
00:02:11
So I think ripping did himself a good favor, whether it's with the Broncos or down the line.
00:02:15
Just being able to maybe get a spot where your backup and a chance for open competition.
00:02:20
You know what? Honestly, you could think about a place like Chicago could jump out to you that they've moved on from Robiskie.
00:02:25
You have Nick Foles holding the position for someone else, so yeah, that I love seeing young guys that you don't anticipate having the success the way that rip and certainly did.
00:02:34
And while he had his mistakes and this one will get into them, he also said show it's a nice touch.
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We briefly looked at that last night in terms of the scouting report on him coming out of college.
00:02:43
He has a lot of a lot of the tools you want from a starting NFL quarterback.
00:02:47
Some limitations there, but first sample size.
00:02:50
And by the way, he came in on a short week.
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Two.
00:02:54
So didn't have all the reps you wanna have with your team.
00:02:55
So all those things playing against him still finds a way to get his first NFL win in his first NFL start.
00:03:01
So when we think about you started this game and where this all went, um, inconsistency on the opening drive for the Denver defense.
00:03:12
But I don't want to diminish what was a really exciting play.
00:03:14
I I text Scott Mason of the play like a jet podcast.
00:03:18
We've done some work with him before, and he I said, Did you know that that Darnall was capable of that type of run? And he said yes.
00:03:26
So, like from his end of it.
00:03:27
He knew that he was capable of that, but we talked about it.
00:03:30
What did you see on that play? That wow, great 50 yard run for a touchdown.
00:03:34
But there's a reason why he was able to do that.
00:03:37
Oh, yeah, Well, I knew he had he had it in him, But, I mean, let's let's be realistic here.
00:03:44
I mean, there was probably four or five times that Sam Donald ran right by a Denver defender and the defender was staring at him like, What are you doing down here? I mean, they were I'm not gonna tackle you.
00:04:00
I shouldn't. I shouldn't be tackling you over here. Yeah.
00:04:02
No, no, no, no, no.
00:04:03
You're supposed to be behind the You know e mean.
00:04:05
Come on, man.
00:04:06
It was It was It was really sloppy.
00:04:09
Bad play on that on that Denver defense that allowed, uh, Sam Donald to get down the field like that because it's not like he was, um, lighting it up when he was running the football.
00:04:21
And it didn't look like too many defenders down there.
00:04:26
Especially like the safeties in the corners.
00:04:28
They weren't being blocked out that well, So you expect from a Denver defense to be able to stop something like that.
00:04:36
I mean, that's not Lamar Jackson out on the field, right? And the other part of that, too, is you think about.
00:04:42
As you know, the Jets are incredibly depleted, wide receiving corps, so and not that again.
00:04:47
Like you say, Sam Donald isn't Lamar Jackson, but on any given play, your secondary should always kind of have an eye in the backfield, because you shouldn't be overly concerned about losing track of a wide receiver and not trusting your help over the top to say, all right if he gets past me, can you keep up with and I want to throw out a name, but none of their names come to come to mind here for the Jets receiving corps.
00:05:09
So that's another element there where you feel like you should.
00:05:12
You should never be risking Donald impacting a game, especially on the opening drive like that.
00:05:17
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to take away from San Donald's ability because that's one thing that really a big plus to his play is his scrambling ability to be able to get out of trouble.
00:05:30
But Denver's known for their defense, and they had a week over a week.
00:05:37
Well, not quite a week.
00:05:38
Okay, so they've had, what, four days? But they knew.
00:05:42
I mean, they watched film on.
00:05:44
They knew he could run the football and that he liked to run the football. Right.
00:05:49
Uh, offensive line.
00:05:50
You expect him to probably be scrambling on occasion? Yeah.
00:05:54
I mean, he had, Let's see here.
00:05:56
He led the team in rushing six carries, 84 yards now, granted, like 50 of those yards were on one carry, but he generally has about six carries a game where he just talks.
00:06:08
It goes.
00:06:09
And so the defense knew it was coming.
00:06:11
Um, so I I don't I don't understand how how they allow that to just blow.
00:06:17
I mean, he literally it looked like it looked like he was running through cones.
00:06:22
Yeah, it felt like that thing of is everyone else in slow motion right now because he didn't have to really do a burst.
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It was just kind of a casual, methodical trot down the field.
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So when that play unfolded live, I just kept waiting for him to get taken down or waiting from the slide.
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You know, I was like and then around.
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I think on the 20 I was like, he Oh, he always going like you because you saw it open up on the back end.
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We were like, Okay, that's a touchdown now, and I can't believe it just happened.
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But here we are.
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Um, as we worked our way through these first couple of quarters here towards half time, we said Like what we saw from ripping.
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He was doing some things well, they moved the ball.
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But there was that big play on the first touchdown pass for them where the against Too bad teams.
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So you kind of expect this desire, dropping back all the chance in the world to just pluck that baby out of the air.
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He ends up having a really nice game in this one.
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But that's a play where Jerry Judy is just kind of have to be shocked and just kind of casually backpedaled into the end zone when he realizes U s so funny. It's reminiscent.
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Go back to Peyton Manning's time in Denver.
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If you remember the A F C championship game the year before he won the Super Bowl.
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I'll forget the cornerback, but he went back on the ball, had all the opportunities to jump up and grab it, and he mistimed it so poorly that it ended up being a touchdown going the other way.
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And that's the same kind of thing.
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It looks like this year was just like this is a freebie and somehow managed.
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Just let that thing catch him in the face mask and could not.
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Well, would have been a real momentum shift there already scoring, you know, on opening drive, touchdown and being in the lead there.
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Yeah, you lost the top two.
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They have three interceptions in a single game.
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I mean, wow, but And we, as Spectators watching the game, weren't the only one shop when he reached when the receiver reached over him and grabbed the football off of the Sears face masks and landed.
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You seen him kind of stopped and looked down this year like that just happened, you know, before he decided to go ahead, turn around and walk into the end zone.
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You, the receiver, was just a shocked as we were.
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Yeah, it was always a recipe for success defense when we When we go in Now, the next layer deeper is talking about inside these stats.
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We kind of highlighted it there just in terms of the inconsistencies.
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But just by the numbers.
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Man, you're talking about two teams and in the latter stages, the Jets really looked pretty poor from not just from a ah sloppiness standpoint, but from a discipline standpoint.
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I know a lot of people say, Well, you have when you have.
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Greg Williams is a defensive coordinator.
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You may see some of that, but you saw it on the offensive side to for both teams, really.
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11 penalties for 118 yards for the New York Jets.
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Not to be too far off, eight for 94 for the Denver Broncos.
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Ah, lot of personal foul penalties and that really, in a game where time of possession 31 to 28 narrowly in favor of Denver, the penalties hurt you.
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And this is where we get into that weird area of talking also about, uh, the idea of turnovers, right? So as much as we like some of the things we saw from ripping, he threw three picks in this one and some of them we talked about this year.
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Ah, beautiful toe toucher on the sideline when it was a throwing away opportunity and he seemed to throw it into Diz ear.
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When you win a turnover battle like that plus three, I don't know what the percentages are, but you are supposed Thio.
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I would say 97 out of 100 times, if not Mawr win that game.
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And it's on Lee because of inconsistency and sloppy penalties that you somehow find yourself trailing at the back end of this one going back to that that sideline interception by this year, that was right there, made up.
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I'm not gonna say made up.
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I'm sorry, but it's gonna show complete opposite of what we saw on the first possible interception because that was one of the most difficult catches a wide receiver couldn't make.
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I mean, my goodness, the way he was able to keep both his feet and they ruled it an incomplete pass, you know, they had to go back and look at it.
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And even on the first play through, we were like, Wait a minute, I got to see that a little closer a little slower because, I mean, you did.
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You couldn't tell.
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He did have both the speed.
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It was a beautiful interception.
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Unbelievable.
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But my goodness, when you have the problem, Okay, so you have three.
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Should have been four intercessions for the Jets, but they gave up six sacks.
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You know, they gave up six sacks to Denver, so that kind of really I mean, that's kind of like getting a turnover.
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When you get a sack and you put a team in a bad situation where they're on, like, second or third and long or something like that, that's that's kind of like a turnover, too.
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And they had six of them.
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So because you're you're forcing them to punt because, you know, giving them bad yardage. Negative yardage.
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Um, the biggest thing is those penalties were killer on the Jets.
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I mean, there was, like, five personal fouls like five.
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Like that one where they finally got a sack, had a chance at the end of the game.
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They got a sack on ripping, and it was quitting Williams, I think. Yeah.
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And he got his hand in the face in the helmet, man.
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And instead of getting a sack.
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They gave him a free 15 freaking yards on a first down, which ended up giving another shot and ended up leading the Broncos toe.
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Getting the basically, you know, walk away, score win.
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So, yeah, it's the floppy play that really, even though there was a lot of points on the board, it was the defense of sloppy play on both sides that allowed both these offenses to stay on the field and make the score run up as high as it went.
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And then you talk about because really, we'll skip over what was going on.
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Next thing specifically around the defense, because that's right where your mind goes in terms of inconsistency in this game.
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But you mentioned it before.
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We're getting on here about Melvin Gordon, right? You think about 20? It was a 23 carries, 107 yards, two touchdowns, Boy, pretty impressive, but he really breaks off that beautiful run on one play.
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Without that, the Jets defense does a pretty good job containing that rushing attack, right? You think about all the sudden you even look inside of the receiver numbers, right? Patrick, for Denver leads the team there with 100 plus yards and a touchdown.
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So you know it's thing.
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This is the obvious statement off bad teams.
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This is what happens even when you're playing well, and I think both defensive front you came into it.
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We highlighted this last night.
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Offensive lines, right, narrowly getting above plus yardage in terms of the run game 1000.
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7 in terms of point of attack when they get met.
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Behind those lines pressures 37 for Denver coming to the game, 42 for the Jets.
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So you knew that in spite of not necessarily having a balanced level of weapons across both defensive front and Denver dealing with their injuries there, you knew you get pressure.
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You knew you'd be able to get home a handful of times.
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And yet you also had to expect that at some point the dam breaks.
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So if you're the Jets and your Gregg Williams, you say, boy, if we can contain, if we could contain Melvin Gordon and we expect that we could get some mistakes at a rip in recipe for success and yet and you can't do the last thing, you can't stop that last big run and That's the back breaker I have now.
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I get Gates was wanting to win this game really bad, right? Because, I mean, he's just been under the hot see all season.
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But how do you start Mukai Beck? And when he shouldn't have been even in that game, it's a great listen.
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We Yeah, I didn't even I thought about this as we were going here.
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You want to win the game, as you say, but risking a guy like that and I think they even set it on the broadcaster in the postgame off how you take a guy that you don't think is healthy enough to start.
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But you put him as the backup to who you were planning on starting there.
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Then you end up starting him anyway.
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Then he tweaked something.
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He comes and you know, it's just you're risking the health of your of your what's supposed to be a 10 year starter for you at minimum left tackle, you're risking his health and your number one.
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No, you can't do that.
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You can't do that.
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I don't care how important this isn't a playoff game.
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They're not fighting to make the playoffs.
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Come on, man, this is This is, as you say, this is your future.
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This is your future.
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Left tackle the guy that's supposed If you believe in Sam Donald, then that's the guy protecting Sam Donald's blindside the rest of his freaking career.
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You know, you got to keep him healthy.
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I mean, that shoulder is so important to an offensive lineman.
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Come on, you can't.
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You can't put him in the game.
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He shouldn't even been suited up for this game.
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Then listen.
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And I know is we think NFL In general, we know, right? Players want to get out there.
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They want to play, they want to compete.
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But and while the NFL is always, we say it's, you know, listen, it's next man up mentality and also everyone's on uneven playing field.
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Nobody's better than the other whatever, but it's not true.
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I I even hesitated briefly when they when when Donald went out with that initially right, got slammed to the ground on that shoulder immediately was reaching for it.
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When he goes out, he's on the sideline coming out of the medical tent. E.
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I mean that shoulder, it's slumped and and again I get it if he's well enough to play, you put him back in the game.
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But it, But still, if you're concerned about him, even in the slightest I'm talking up, I go.
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Listen, we're Oh, and three, Let's put out Joe Flacco.
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Let's see what happens in this game and let's just go ahead and move on to the next week and make sure that what we still believe in, organizationally, our franchise quarterback.
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Let's not go ahead and do some permanent damage to this kid.
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They potentially could compound and and forced him to miss time this year or even into next season.
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It kind of was reminiscent of when Detroit, Matt Stafford and his rookie season, when he went down and dislocated his shoulder and then he comes right back in and throws that touchdown pass is like I get that he could do that, and that's awesome.
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I have a ton of respect for him for being able to do that, But oh, my goodness, what are you doing? I mean, that can ruin a guy's career now, to be fair.
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To be fair, it looked like Sam Donald as he played it looked like he never got hurt at all.
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So exactly Yeah, it looks like being didn't look near.
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Turned out to not be a severe is it looked, But I think it ends up going tandem when you think about him acai, Beckton and these injuries and still having him out there yet then it automatically makes you wonder if Sam Donald is struggling with something and risking his health. We won't.
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We won't belabor that from that standpoint, but let's now get into a little bit of Sam Donald here right now we know doesn't have a lot of weapons there on on the team is missing.
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Even live Ian Bell behind him right now, using the ageless wonder Frank Gore in the backfield.
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If we assume that he was 100% healthy throughout this game, when you really get into his numbers and say Okay, so what I'm seeing here is a guy that who, at the very least, you least have a competent running back behind you regards of where he is in his career, you know, six carries for 84 yards.
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That's a beautiful one.
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Long of 46 obviously, but 23 of 40 to 230 yards, No touchdowns, no interceptions.
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Ran for the one, as you say, Got sacks six times for loss of 54 still in a cube cube er of 73.
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Which is almost shocking, given how this game looked at certain points.
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But the other one that I thought about here, too, is offensively.
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The average.
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I wanna make sure I get it right.
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3.
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8 yards per pass play.
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That's what they came out of this game with.
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When you when you factor in the sacks, what are we looking at here? We talked about it in pregame last night.
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Are we really able to evaluate Sam's Arnold? Is it a product of the new and trying to jell offensive line? Who's responsible for this? Oh, the front office's response.
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They need a new offensive line.
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You got my kid back then.
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Yes, but he shouldn't have been playing in that game anyhow.
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But the rest of the offensive line was often Nick Chubb was in that backfield so often that I I think that he, you know, changed his postal address.
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You know, it was it was bad.
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It was bad.
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That offensive line needs to be.
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It's every week.
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Sam Donald is running for his life.
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It doesn't matter who they're playing.
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So it's obvious that the offensive line is is the problem right here Doesn't matter what wide receivers you have.
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You could have five really crappy wide receivers.
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If you have a really good quarterback in a good offensive line protecting them, he'll find a way to get the receivers to football.
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But if that really good quarterback doesn't have timeto go through his progressions to find it, then there's there's nothing there.
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They gotta find better replacement on that offensive line.
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There's no doubt now.
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The interesting thing, too, is B.
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And we'll take the big picture of you for a moment on Ah, player like Donald.
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You know, in his career now completing under 60% of his passes, this point in his career 39 up, 32 down.
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Um, I wonder, and because coming out of college that the idea was this guy is a bit of that Brett Farve gun slinger mentality.
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And you can do that when you have quality players around you, because you'll you'll live with some of the bad place because you gonna give you a great one on the next drive.
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I do wonder if this is probably one of the worst case scenarios for Sam Donald having that mentality and then coming into the Jets where they are is an organization.
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It's going to inspire you to want to do more of those risky kind of plays.
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You know, they talk about 64 65% kind of being that threshold that you wanna live in two to start to move the needle on wins and losses as a quarterback sub 60% completion percentage, that is, that is a bad stat trending the wrong way, regardless of the team around you.
00:20:06
If you're Sam Donaldson, you can't maybe reign that in and just say, you know what? I'm gonna dio.
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I'm gonna put a great resume out there for the next place that I go, that I can control the game, that I can find my routes even if they're not the greatest wide receivers in the world.
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I'm not going to be the reason that we lose a game now.
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He didn't throw any turn, no turnovers in this one.
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That's all fine and well.
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But in year three in spite of missing games to injury, the the number under 60% completion percentage.
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That, to me is a red flag off.
00:20:35
This is not a franchise quarterback.
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Well, under 60% completion percentage also has a lot to do with, uh, throwing while under duress.
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That that is, there's a rare breed of quarterback out there that does very well under the rest.
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Russell Wilson, for instance.
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It's like he lives to be under duress.
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But in your general vicinity, if a quarterback under duress, they're going toe have very poor percentage.
00:21:05
And like I said, that has all to do with with that offensive line.
00:21:10
Um, honestly.
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And this is this is the truth.
00:21:13
I feel as though Sam Donald was on the Denver Broncos.
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Denver has a shot at being undefeated right now.
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He's the kind of player that again situation situational e.
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If you're in a better spot, things will look a lot differently.
00:21:27
I just in the background there, pulled up because I want to think about a guy like Baker Mayfield, who's been up and down and inconsistent but has a lot of weapons and a lot of talent on that team.
00:21:37
Well, 61 a half, almost 60 to completion percentage for his career to this point, but 54 to 37 in terms of up and down.
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Now look at the wide receivers.
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Look at the weapons, Look at the running backs.
00:21:47
You know that he has all the options in the world, have success and that at the very least, though, even when a team is inconsistent, at least by the way, goes back to the choice.
00:21:57
You let Robby Anderson walk away.
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I know maybe he's not a true number one, whatever the case may be.
00:22:02
But when you're when you're supposed franchise quarterback comes out and says, I really like throwing to this guy and you go, you know, Well, dio we're gonna bring in Perryman.
00:22:09
No, no, no.
00:22:10
We understand that he gets hurt all the time, and by the way, that's how he starts this season.
00:22:13
But it's going to be okay like this is again.
00:22:15
You said before front office.
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Like Boy, do you want this guy to be successful or again? That's what I wanna know quietly behind the scenes, because, by the way, Adam Case didn't wasn't there when they drafted Sam Donald and he's the Q B whisperer.
00:22:27
Maybe he doesn't want him.
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Maybe he's not a Sam Donald guy, and he's not going to do anything more than he absolutely has.
00:22:34
Thio toe.
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Offer him an opportunity to have success, so it just just it screens. It screams.
00:22:39
This disappointment and dysfunction is really what you see from the Jet side of things and and and to your point, I think I came out of this game thinking, Listen, Denver is is a pretty good team, like even teams that are bad and are gonna win a lot of games.
00:22:54
You still feel like man thes bones air.
00:22:56
Good, right? We We like a lot of what we're doing here on this roster, including a Jerry Judy.
00:23:00
They're missing Sutton.
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Right now.
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There's a lot of there's a lot of pieces there to get excited about, and you can come out of this season at six wins, seven wins.
00:23:08
Whatever the case may turn out to be and feel like you're going in the right direction, that's not how you felt about the Jets.
00:23:13
Oh, no, no.
00:23:15
See, uh, Denver is just losing a few pieces from from you know injury from the Yeah.
00:23:22
I mean, you got Von Miller.
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Nick Chubb hasn't hasn't looked great because he hasn't had this guy on the opposite side taking off some of that pressure.
00:23:29
Your starting quarterback goes down, you're you're having a little bit of inconsistency wide receiver due to injuries and stuff.
00:23:37
So but there they've been in games.
00:23:41
They have shown stuff.
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They were on three.
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But they you know, I mean, if you have some of those pieces back, you expect them to probably make it more of a competitive game and possibly win those games.
00:23:53
Whereas the Jets, this is the first time they even look, they didn't even look competent for in my own opinion in this game.
00:24:01
But at least they got some points up, but they there is just a mess from top to bottom all the way around.
00:24:09
Every every stat you look at on this Jets team, whether it's defensively offensively, percentage wise, it doesn't matter.
00:24:17
It's all bad.
00:24:19
And that that's all. Front office.
00:24:21
That's all way up there at the top, putting a team together.
00:24:24
I don't even know if you could even put this on gays.
00:24:27
I know I know the Jets fans.
00:24:28
They all want gays gone.
00:24:29
I don't even know if you could put it on gates right now.
00:24:31
I think this has a lot to do with that top brass front office, and that's where we go is kind of our closing out segment here and review of the Thursday night football game.
00:24:41
You mentioned it last night on the preview show, right? And we all said, Listen, they came out.
00:24:45
They said they were not getting rid of gays.
00:24:46
We're gonna ride through this season and in a lot of ways, you know, making making those kind of switches e.
00:24:51
I don't I don't know how what it improves for your really right.
00:24:54
You're gonna go to Greg Williams and in totality.
00:24:58
When you come out of this game, you say front office and I know that everyone likes Douglas.
00:25:03
Everyone believes that he's a really good GM.
00:25:06
This is only his first opportunity to start to refresh this roster, so you have to kind of give a little bit of a leash there for him.
00:25:13
I looked at the penalties are one thing, but then and but then the bad plays, you know the dirty plays, as we say, right? Getting into that Greg Williams closet and saying, Yeah, that that's what this That's what his defense is.
00:25:24
Air like Adam Jase.
00:25:26
How, how hot should the seat be? Should he be in better control of those of those players and of those moments and maybe going to Greg Williams and saying, Listen, when they're trying to burn out the clock here and they can't just taken me at this point and were quickly lost this game? Yeah, you can go ahead and not be going into the face of the quarterback and not be bludgeoning into the ground like just live with it.
00:25:47
We've lost this game.
00:25:48
The defense didn't play well enough.
00:25:49
Why don't you go ahead and make those adjustments before we get into this situation, as opposed to taking some of these cheap shots at the back end of it? And all of those things? Penalties included.
00:25:58
That's what that that's where I go.
00:26:00
This This is why the head coach should really be on the hot seat.
00:26:03
It's not about Windsor losses, you know it's a bad team. You need to get better.
00:26:06
But on a week to week basis.
00:26:08
You want to see consistency? You want to see discipline? You want to see development? What does that indicate to you for Adam? Gays? Even if the Jets aren't gonna let him go, would you? If you were if you were Douglas, say I gotta pull the cord here, because now the team is really deteriorating around you.
00:26:22
In a lot of ways, man, it's actually kind of a tough call.
00:26:26
It's kind of like the same Donald call.
00:26:28
In my opinion, um, I believe that, Sam.
00:26:33
Me personally from me watching film.
00:26:35
I think Sam Donald has talent, but you ain't seeing it right now.
00:26:40
Uh, not not on a consistent basis.
00:26:42
Uh, Sam Gates are Adam Gates.
00:26:47
He's got a terrible team that he's working with.
00:26:50
Terrible team.
00:26:52
How do you legitimized firing somebody that starts out 14 when the talent level, that team is equal to Utah State.
00:27:05
I mean, you know, I Come on, man.
00:27:08
Um, yeah.
00:27:11
Me and Joe Nouveau talked about this, I think Tuesday or Wednesday or something like that.
00:27:18
Where What if you do fire days, does it become? Does it become like a round robin of tryouts for head coaches every game.
00:27:30
You put someone until someone wins.
00:27:32
You could help because that's that's basically what you would have to do because you can't have Greg Williams, because next thing you know, Sam Darnel will be freaking tackling people out there.
00:27:42
You know? I mean, because that's what that's the kind of defensive coach he is.
00:27:47
Um, I I don't I don't want Williams in there.
00:27:52
So Gaze is the obvious option for the rest of the season.
00:27:56
But you got to see Gates like you said.
00:27:58
You kind of alluded to it earlier.
00:28:00
He's got to take control and take the reins, and if he loses this seem completely, then he's gone.
00:28:07
It's kind of like with the Browns last season, right? If you lose that team completely, you're gone because there's no way a head coach can come back if he loses that locker room.
00:28:18
No, I agree, and I don't think any reason to to make the move, not for a lack of, of not liking what you're seeing, but I just don't think you advance anything by not doing it.
00:28:28
I'll be curious to see if Douglas goes inside this.
00:28:31
Ross, you always talk about teams as you approach the midway point of the season as you approach the trade deadline.
00:28:35
What are the other couple of assets on this roster that you maybe look at and by the way there and they're few and far between? But do you maybe look at and say, Hey, if we could get a couple extra draft picks next year, even the back end stuff help us move around the board a little bit? Those are the kind of things that you that I expect to see from a team like the Jets as you move through the season, as opposed to making any riel, head coaching or significant personnel change.
00:28:58
We get out the door here on this.
00:29:00
I just pull up these stats one last time to remind everybody.
00:29:03
But you're talking about 242 passing yards for for ricin, not not tearing the world up.
00:29:08
We mentioned the three turnovers.
00:29:09
They're just north of 100 yards, seven first downs from penalties for the Denver Broncos.
00:29:16
That that's that's symbolic and indicative of exactly how this game went.
00:29:19
Give him a second, give them a third, give him 1/4 opportunity to make something happen on the offensive side of the ball, through a lack of discipline on the defensive side.
00:29:28
That's how you lose games when you're a bad team trying to rebuild.
00:29:32
So I just, you know, there's not a ton to tear away from this thing other than to say what we thought about the Jets.
00:29:37
I think we confirmed it in this one, and and the optimism around the Broncos, you can have that.
00:29:41
You can feel that if you're Denver Broncos fan, you got the win first and foremost.
00:29:45
And I think, do you feel like, Hey, we were just some injuries away from being a nice competitive team? So will be interesting to see as you move.
00:29:52
Now that's a quart of the season mark for the Jets owned. Four.
00:29:55
This is typically where you start to lose players right where they start to say, I had a nagging injury and and it looks like it's actually gonna be season ending for me.
00:30:02
I'd love to be around for you, right? And the other, by the way, and this is getting a little I don't wanna get erratic.
00:30:07
The other staff that I did see there, though, is well, was talk about you.
00:30:10
Talk about Jamison Crowder.
00:30:12
You know, seven catches for 100 yards just as a footnote.
00:30:15
Man, you don't even have to give Donald elite quality talent.
00:30:19
Just consistent.
00:30:20
Solid route running possession receivers are more than enough for him.
00:30:24
And that beating a dead horse, you're off.
00:30:27
That's the indicative of why the struggles are for the Jets organization.
00:30:30
Oh, yeah, I I completely agree.
00:30:33
Like I said, you know, I mean, you get him somebody who can, like, even though he's under pressure all the time, if you could get him or receiver that he can trust, you know? And that's being Crowder.
00:30:46
He trust him to be where he needs him to bay. Exactly.
00:30:49
Just where you could try, um, something I did like waas.
00:30:55
Third down, Efficiency 6 to 12 for Denver.
00:30:58
That's that's not terrible.
00:31:01
But then you go over here to the Jets and you see eight of 19.
00:31:05
All right now, I don't I don't That's that's still little bit.
00:31:09
Let's well below 50%.
00:31:11
I want to see above 50% to get to be able to see the score that we saw.
00:31:17
That's What we need to see is above 50% 3rd down efficiency and by the way, to that point as well, because we always say turnovers, third down efficiency.
00:31:27
Those are the two biggest factors and winning or losing games.
00:31:29
And Denver beats the odds on the turnover battle here.
00:31:32
Go inside of it as well.
00:31:33
We talked about Donald getting hit 66 sacks.
00:31:35
They're losing 54 yards clean for the Denver Broncos.
00:31:39
And Ripen did not take a sack.
00:31:41
Did not lose any yard there in spite of taking hits.
00:31:43
Got that ball out of there, got, you know, got found a way.
00:31:46
So in this, by the way, is a former New York Giants head coach, Pat Shurmur.
00:31:50
At least understood.
00:31:51
I got a guy first start of his career.
00:31:54
I'm gonna get this thing out of his hands quickly as possible.
00:31:55
Now, is it gonna cost me a turnover here and there? Maybe it will, but avoiding losing yardage on second down and getting yourself into a really third and long hole and affecting field position even more frequently than you would like.
00:32:07
That's also a recipe for disaster as well.
00:32:10
So you know you know Sam Donald.
00:32:12
If you're the Jets find a way to protect him.
00:32:14
Find a way to get this ball out of his hands quickly, consistently.
00:32:17
That's also a way that you mitigate some of the risk of having a bad offensive line.
00:32:21
So there's another another footnote around the things that the Jets didn't do so well.
00:32:25
But let's ideo keep the praise on the Denver Broncos.
00:32:29
You came out.
00:32:30
You play a clean game with a rookie quarterback.
00:32:32
For the most part, in terms of offensively, you got yourself a W.
00:32:35
I mean, that's, you know, hang your hat on that.
00:32:37
I don't think that you could really say that.
00:32:39
Hey was really rushed to throw the past ripping.
00:32:42
He wasn't really doing a whole lot of short I completion passes.
00:32:46
You were seeing a lot of 15 2025 yard passes from ripping all throughout the game.
00:32:52
I mean, nearly eight yards per pass play.
00:32:56
So I mean, it's right where you want you want to be right around eight yards and higher is solid for for NFL.
00:33:01
And they were doing that.
00:33:02
Yeah, Gordon only had two catches this game.
00:33:04
Yeah, Yeah.
00:33:06
I also quiet in the receiving game for him as well.
00:33:08
100%.
00:33:09
And that's usually indicative of a quarterback to your point, trying to get it out of his hands quickly.
00:33:12
Let the running back sweep out and let him get the yards after the catch for you know, he was doing it through the air and you suffer into your point.
00:33:19
Three interceptions were even when he was really being rushed.
00:33:21
It was just some some bad decision making.
00:33:23
Yeah, bad, bad decision, making, bad placement, that first touchdown that he threw.
00:33:27
That was a terrible throw.
00:33:29
Yeah.
00:33:30
I mean, that was a terribly terrible under thrown ball that should have been intercepted easily.
00:33:36
Um, there was a couple overthrows under throws, and then there was a few times where he finally hit it right on the money, you know? But I guess that's what happens when you're throwing darts.
00:33:46
Yeah, well, and that's scouting report.
00:33:49
The guy will go for a triple when a single is available.
00:33:51
We saw that and he still managed to get the W.
00:33:55
As we wrap this one up, it was Listen, it was at least an entertaining Thursday night football game.
00:33:59
We actually got an entertaining one last week between the Jaguars and the Dolphins.
00:34:03
So in spite of what it looks like on paper, where at least having some fun watching these, as we remind people, of course, to follow us here on SportsCastr used the hashtag S c N N f l to find not only myself not on Lee Lawrence, but also Ray and Joe and everyone else that's doing some great content throughout the week, both talking about matchups like this Thursday night, Sunday morning previews, Sunday Night football, wrap ups and then individual content.
00:34:28
Lawrence is covering the cults.
00:34:30
Of course I covered the Giants.
00:34:32
You've got Ray covering New England.
00:34:33
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00:34:37
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And on top of that, we shout out to the live looking right here with 42 live signed up members for SportsCastr De Vaux Jr.
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I love them.
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We've been talking a lot of NBA action as well, so I appreciate him checking in.
00:34:53
I appreciate Paul in Broncos 19.
00:34:57
Good for you, sir.
00:34:58
Got the first one of the season there.
00:34:59
And then Emily, Texas.
00:35:00
Y'all was in here from literally second one.
00:35:03
So shout out to her for joining in.
00:35:05
But Lawrence, as we know, there is a reason that some people are here to be acknowledged and some are not What? What can they do? A very easy free step to be a part of the conversation.
00:35:15
Oh, well, the people we named off, we know you have profiles.
00:35:19
Why? Because you're in the live chat and we could name you off.
00:35:22
If you don't have a profile.
00:35:24
We don't know you are watching.
00:35:26
The only reason we know you're watching it because there's a little dot right up there.
00:35:30
It says, How many people are watching live? You need to make a profile, my guy or woman.
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Either way, I don't care.
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You just make a profile.
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That's it, my man.
00:36:14
Tip of the cap to Lawrence four.
00:36:17
Of course calling this one right.
00:36:19
We're all low on the score. Margin here.
00:36:22
But you had you had the closest there, Mark calling for 27 points from the Broncos.
00:36:26
They did you a little bit extra there.
00:36:28
Got the W ah, wag of the finger to myself for even thinking that the Jets were gonna pull this one out until next week when Lawrence and I will be right back along with Ray covering the Thursday night preview matchup.
00:36:40
Thank you for checking in with us.
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