No, I'll give you I'm gonna give you credit for the oath.
I'm going to give you credit for that because I had never seen that before, so I've never heard it called that Well, Yeah, one of the fans that beyond wrestling This girl, she was the one who started the **** strings chant and she started the Dixons chant and it turned into, like, a whole It turns like the whole thing in itself.
It's crazy because you're man when you come out it beyond, um, the people are like whipping those in the air and everything.
It's like it's like Japanese the streamers in Japan, you get you get the **** strings being well, it really turned.
It turned into like, uh, it turned into, like, a whole thing of its own, you know? That's pretty cool.
Now, how does your from New York, right? Yeah.
I'm from Staten Island.
New York is beyond your home company at this point.
I mean, I would say like beyond this is probably like my home company.
I've I've just been with beyond building the whole thing with beyond for, like, pretty much the last like 10 years and I'd say beyond is probably my home company.
How did that come about? Just Well, I was kind of trying to get my foot in the door pretty much doing anything back in like 2000 89 And I was still really young and green and learning how, How toe do stuff in the ring and how toe put together wrestling matches.
I actually started wrestling like learning how to rest when I was 15.
So for a couple of years, like to about two years, maybe I worked like some small indie shows and like New Jersey and like student shows and things like that, under, like, a few different gim****s.
I wore a mask at one point, but I really like didn't really know what I was doing.
I just could kind of like do some spots.
I knew how to do some moves that I didn't really understand or ever grasp, like putting together wrestling matches.
That was something that kind of came later.
And when I was maybe, like 2019 20 I got back into wrestling and wanted to, you know, really give it like a honest shot and a guy named Corvis Fear.
He was like a like a New Jersey new indie guy.
He was friends with all the people who were kind of involved with what beyond wrestling was before it was beyond wrestling.
And they were going to do one of these like taping.
It's in Ohio and he came to me and three other to other people and was like, Hey, do you guys wanna do you wanna come out to Ohio and wrestle? I can't problem, You know, you're not gonna get paid or anything, but it's gonna be cool.
We'll wrestle for like, two days, three days on, Duh.
We'll stay at my friend's house and then we'll see how it goes on.
And that was it.
I went to be on wrestling, and I think it was September of 2009.
It was my first taping.
They did like one taping before I got I was there, a couple of guys were there, and uh and then and then that was it.
That's how it's just got asked to go.
And for the first few years, first two years in Ohio, there it was all just like D i y tapings the wrestlers around the ring.
And that was how I got with my foot in the door with a I W.
In Cleveland because we used to go out to Ohio because Drew Cordero, Denver, Colorado, the guy who owns beyond wrestling, he had a house out in Ohio at the time.
On we go stay in this house and we would film and Lereah Ohio.
And like this wrestling school, I was in a storage unit, and that's pretty much how that started.
Okay, now, where did you train? Because, like, I felt the Northeast is the best place If you're going to train anywhere like I'm up in Boston, I know you're in New York, New Jersey, and there's, uh, there's a million in good schools between those two places.
I wouldn't really say like anymore.
Maybe like back then when I was starting, there was a lot.
I mean, there's still places, but when I started, I started at the Jersey All Pro Wrestling School.
Okay, you peo, which is basically right over the bridge.
Um, so there were times I actually walked over this bridge to get to Bayonne.
That's go to wrestling training because my dad wasn't available to give me a ride or something on, Uh, that's why I started.
I started at the Jersey All Pro School under this guy named Magic who actually trained and broke in a ton of guys who were popular and guys who didn't, you know, gain popularity.
But this guy got a lot of people started in pro wrestling in the Northeast, and ah, lot of people went to that school, and that was the first place I trained, learned fundamentals and basics and all that stuff, and from there I bounced around.
I was only 15 years old, so you know, the school shut down because they lost that building and I really wanted to go to the doghouse and train with Homicide.
But they lost that building.
So that was the end of the dog house.
And I got the training with Homicide a little bit back then at the Jersey All Pro school because he used to train his dog house Students there, when like the regular classes are over.
But I went to Chikara when I was, like 16 when they it was maybe like your car had only been around for maybe, like, a year or so.
And I used to go out there because there was a guy I knew who used to drive out there, and he gave me a ride to go out there and work out with him.
And it used to go and just paid by class on.
And that was when I was, like, 16.
And that was originally with, like, you know, all the first generation Chikara students.
So that was pretty cool. And I learned a lot.
Their car was pretty awesome back then.
Yeah, I used to do the rides.
Um, me and a couple of promoters from here used to do the rides down just to wash king of trios and stuff like that every year. Yeah. Yeah.
So from there I was doing, I was doing Shakara.
And then, like, around that time, I kind of, like, got out of it a little bit. I am.
I was in high school, I had a girlfriend, but I also playing music.
So I got, like, really into playing drums.
I started playing in bands.
I finished high school.
I didn't wrestle as much.
I kind of like, just fell out of wrestling, but he was like I was when I was about, like, maybe 16.
Like 2002 or so I started getting like, turned off with the W W E.
Um, I started collecting Japanese wrestling tapes.
I started watching more in the wrestling Ring of Honor became a big thing.
Jersey All Pro was really popular.
I started training and I was kind of like I was a kid.
That was against, like, heavy metal music.
So I kind of had, like that, Like elitist, um anti a mainstream type of attitude.
I kind of still do.
I do absolutely.
And I kind of like, stopped watching W. W. Completely.
I started watching Japanese wrestling and India wrestling and trying to, like, introduce all my friends to it so they would get into it, too, And I made like new friends that way.
But there was just a point when I was, like, maybe 16 or 17.
I just kind of like fell out of wrestling even as a fan, until maybe I was, like, 19.
And I, um funny story e trade, the karate dojo growing up, and two kids I met at the Karate Dojo.
Guy trained Cry does it for a long time.
From time I was about maybe six years old.
I was about 15 or 16 and I met Jack A.
There was my tag partner when when I was, like, seven or eight years old, and I met Sean Malula.
He's wrestled for nxc a handful of times.
Um, he's, uh, he's like a w x w uh, like Samoa w x w guy.
He lives in Florida now, and he became a pro wrestler and he was trying to be a pro wrestler because his uncle is off of the wild Samoan.
So he was like, definitely training at, like at this point, like full fully to try and become like a pro wrestler, and he was trying to convince me to get back into it, and he was gonna form a tag team with Giaka and me.
And Tyson had, like a little teenage falling out for some your bull**** at the time, and we weren't really talking.
And then Sean told me Tyson was getting into the business like seriously, which I always kind of Eggs Tyson on to do when we were backyard ing.
It's because I thought Tyson could be really good wrestler.
So when I heard he was getting into it like Seriously and Sean was like pushing for me to get into it because, you know, we all just always wanted to be wrestlers.
That's all we ever talked about.
I was like, Okay, I'll go back to training.
I'll start like tightening up.
I wanna be I wanna take it seriously now.
So that was that.
The three of us kind of like, came together and you know, that's that's how that's how that all kind of like started.
And at that time I kinda picked a place to go train because I obviously needed to get my get training and again, And the best thing I did was little Guido James.
Oh, he was running a wrestling school in New Jersey at the time.
I went and trained with him, and he really was the first guy who, like, really took me aside and was like, Listen, you have the other lettuces, um, you have you know how to do the moves.
You could execute the spots.
You gotta learn how to put the matches together and he started working with me and teach me how to put matches together.
And I signed up to go toe Harley.
Race is like wrestling camp with pro wrestling.
Noah and, uh, I, like, prepared with little Guido to go do that.
When I went there, I got to train with, like, Ricky the Dragon Steamboat like Marah Fuji, Atsushi Aoki.
I actually met a lot of guys who had become friends of mine or co workers.
Appears like Michael Elgon was really young. He was there.
Um, Simon Grim was there.
He was like, really, really young.
He was actually student at Holly races.
And then we were all just trying to get into pro wrestling, Noah, basically.
But I don't think any of us were actually really good enough time or the The camp was kind of like a cab of work, you know, But I got to meet a lot of people and it was a good experience and I learned a lot.
I learned the most, actually that that time from Ricky Steamboat and that was Onley, actually, maybe a couple of weeks, if not a month after after beyond I did my first taping and beyond wrestling, and that was, like a fully, like, paid for it all myself.
Deal like I saved up my money.
I delivered pizzas and I, uh, flu myself out there, Stay in a hotel for a week.
Giaka came with me Jack into that all with me.
We did that together, and it was awesome.
You know, that's pretty much like my training, my training story, I guess, of where I trained and who have trained with the kind of, like a mishmash all over the place, I guess.
But I'm experienced.
How much does it mean? And I think I have an interview.
I like having conversations, but, uh, what's it mean to you to be able to kind of go back full circle? Because I grew up in a neighborhood where I talk about it all the time.
And, uh, you kind of feel you did the same thing and to be able to go full circle with 18 zoo zoo and teeming with pinky and jacker and them What's that mean to you? Like the whole like, we're all from New York type thing.
Yeah, well, it meant a lot to me.
It's because I was a huge Indy wrestling fan.
Especially, of course, obviously of like the home team.
Guys like the Homicide and Low Key And, you know, the hit squad and all that.
Even though Danny came office from found, uh, you know, it's kind of like there was, like, a New York thing to the whole deal and and my idea.
He was kind of like me and Pinky had this idea because he had.
He knew Mike and Angel, the E Y fbo guys who are now the proud and powerful.
He knew Mike and Angel when they were, like, really young.
And I knew Mike because Mike was from Staten Island at the time and he actually Mike was actually trained by Magic.
The guy who trained me out of this, this place that I got Where In Staten Island, a guy opened up a wrestling school.
He thought he was just gonna have Children's birthday parties there.
He bought a ring.
He rented a He had no idea what he was doing.
This guy, his name was Wilson.
He was a good guy, honest to God, good guy.
But he didn't have a clue what he was doing.
He certainly wasn't trained.
Wrestler wasn't able training one.
So Magic went there with this kid Mike and was training him how to be a pro wrestler.
And I remember, um, at the time, Mike, maybe like three or four years younger than me, Magic was like, Hey, watch this kid wrestling.
He wrestled this other guy and he was only Mike was only probably 16 at the time.
And I was like Well, like, oh, yeah, this kid's gonna be he's gonna be pretty good, you know? Now he's on.
He's on a w and everything.
And I watched grow from being basically nobody with him and ****** from being nobody's thio basically being one of the most popular wrestling tag team of this entire generation.
So I mean, yeah, it's pretty awesome.
I mean, I did this.
I was able to accomplish goals with my best friend.
I mean, Tyson Giaka, we we were you know, the things mean Giaka done together.
It's like it's unreal.
The same thing with me and Pinky Pinky, you know, Pinky, you could I could even say pinky at times my the best opponent I've ever had.
We've had that is singles matches against each other.
We've tagged with each other.
So Thio accomplish.
That was a really big deal.
And a lot of people.
Ah, lot of people, you know, You know, the biggest part of it to me was I wanted to be like, what? The old guys, The old crow.
I wanted to be better than them I wanted.
I wanted us to be, you know, more successful.
I wanted us to be better restaurant I wanted.
I wanted to not only, uh, kind of represent what they represented, kind of I wanted to bring because there were a lot of people talking about wrestles from New York for a while.
Nobody was really stepping up and taking the reins of being like Okay, you know, these are the guys.
And I wanted to fill that void with team pays Ouzou and I thought we had a good dynamic.
Everybody kind of was representing, like a different borough or whatever.
And it was it was just cool.
And it got, you know, considering how much we got to work with Homicide and low key and the hit squad and all those guys It it obviously was very rewarding.
And it all came full circle because I looked up to those guys more than anybody because I was there is a fan at all those shows in 2000 and one and two and three and four and five.
So Thio Thio have worked with those guys and have not not only work with him, but, I mean especially like Danny Mawf Steve Mac Deed guys became like my wrestling dad's my wrestling dads and really good like really good friends.
Like I love I love something.
I love these guys.
They're just they're good people.
And they became, ah, big part of my life, you know, like Steve gave me the shirt that he wore when he wrestled in Chor Khoon Hall in Big Japan correctly, E.
I mean, the the highest honor to me was, I'll turn my light on.
I take it in every wherever whatever apartment I live in or their house.
And I always take this with me now.
But homicide? I beat him in a match and he gave me that his bandana off of his head where e can't even figure it out that's that's his bandana and a frame up their school.
And he and he said after I wrestled him in this one that he said, Uh, I'm the king of New York now, So you really so when those guys were kind of the top of New York, that was like, Really? Ah, line in the sand between New York and New England.
Yeah, New England wrestling is kind of weird, like New England wrestling New England indie scene.
Those guys up there always so much more centered around just wanted to make it to the W W B.
And then, um, everything up there was here so much more towards W W E.
And I think it took guys, uh, like like Mike Bennett. Definitely.
Tomorrow, Papa, kind of getting like that are awake exposure and getting out there and doing things a little differently to kind of like maybe break the mold a little bit.
But I mean, regardless, they both ended up in W W.
But, you know, a lot of guys forget guys like John Walters.
You know John Walters, great worker from the New England area, who broke out unlike the you know, the Indies, but they're up there and still, even to this day, the beyond wrestling totally blew everybody out up there and change the landscape.
It's because before beyond wrestling went up there, it was extremely isolated, and everybody kind of had that same like in their own bubble mentality of like, This is how we do things old school WWF on.
It's just that isn't really realistic or a realistic way to go about anything anymore, especially even if you're trying to get into the tub.
You w e So I mean, you know, obviously, uh, the New England Wrestling Academy, that's they.
They've gotten times, but there's a lot of other people out there who are definitely haven't and New England's tough.
It's because you have New England huge.
Massachusetts is huge.
So you got so many wrestling companies.
The fans are spread really thing.
It's a tough place to run and beyond wrestling, kind of like putting the stamp there and kind of becoming the you know, obviously.
I mean, there's no nobody else really has any buzz coming out of New England.
So e unless you wanna I say limitless.
Yeah, yeah, but that's like a different world altogether That's still like four hours away.
So that's like they're on their own.
They're kind of like in their own bubble up there.
And yeah, it's a It's a tough area, I think.
But it's just a good workers have come out of there.
Yeah, that's well, dodgy.
Just said New York had that underground field that we didn't have up here and that that was that kind of the difference.
It really was like I used to go down to Jersey for a couple of for shows, and I would because I would travel with a couple of guys and do help out of security or whatever, just to take the road trips and have a few beers at the end of the night, you know, but and it was really different, and I'd say to the promoters and like, How do you guys get away with us? It was like in the India.
Terrific was what I called it back then.
But that's like that's really the way.
And like W w Easy even kind of go on that way with the next T and the guys that bringing in I mean, if if there's guys out there who are still saying like Oh, this Israel India Terrific or this is, uh this is really windy.
It's like you're just get out of wrestling, Dude, it's like this the same.
Like George the Animal Steele wrestling anymore on There's got out there who are really but heard about that because that's like how they they really like believing in it's like, Well, I mean, that's it evolves.
Hate to break it to you and be like a J Styles is like the top dog in the W.
And he certainly wasn't, you know, Chin locking people to death back in 2000 and three, when you were all hating on Ring of Honor for doing too many moves.
So you know it's not.
It's not anyone's fault.
You didn't get with the Times like you could only watch SummerSlam 91 so many times until it's like you off.
The tape wears out, you know? Yeah, absolutely.
What's your goal? Which out of the national companies do you have a goal? New Japan pro wrestling.
I want a job for new Japan pro wrestling and I ast faras wrestling on a tell in television wrestling.
Um, I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't entertain any offers, but my goal was Thio be doing exactly what I was doing before the pandemic.
And I hope we pray to God that I could get back to that.
It's because it was definitely very profitable for me personally, and it was working out, and I like the idea that I pretty much call my own shots.
I was working for pretty big companies.
I started working for a Triple A.
It's just the biggest company in Mexico, so at that point I'm getting, you know, international exposure on the high level and making money just kind of like doing my own thing.
I wasn't, like, ready to jump into anything, whereas, you know, you see a lot of guys, they're they're ready to put their their name on anything that comes their way.
But for me, personally, the Indians was great and I really hope it gets back to normal.
You know, if it doesn't, you will have to adapt and move on.
But as far as like out of the big companies you know owned by corporate entities, I mean new Japan pro wrestling.
Okay, is number one is that it? Go like, Have you wrestled over in Japan? Yeah, I wrestled in Japan and when I wrestled in Japan, I wrestled for still you four different companies.
And when I saw how over I was already before I ever even been there before saw how over g w was in Japan.
Saw how receptive the fans were saw how well I was received.
Saw how much press everything that once I saw that it always just like Okay, I get it like I know I could be there and I know I could wrestle there and I know I belong there.
It's because I see what I could see, how well received And here in this country, out of these people.
And it's not just like a ah fantasy or a dream or an idea.
This is all this has all become like very riel.
So, um yeah, New Japan is definitely I would I would be honest.
It's my it's my main goal.
It's It's my number one goal and it's And to be honest, it was.
It's like it was going in that direction based on like what I was doing WrestleMania week.
You know, I had a high profile matches with some of their top talent, and, uh, you know, like I said, I just hope that the opportunities will still be on the table when the time comes.
And I'm really excited for new Japan to return there.
Coming back on the 15th, I think they're doing the They're starting the tape again.
They're gonna be taping in like small, uh, like a smaller close heading with no fans, but e wrestling Injun General wrestling in Japan full time.
And moving to Japan basically permanently is my main goal of pro wrestling E.
I mean, Mary, like you just said America is very profitable right now.
Um, very I mean it.
One wrestling, right? What? And waas Japan has always kind of been that way in my mind.
Like I see guys that have gone over there for six months and made a good living.
I mean it z personally, it was incredible.
Um, forget about it was that was great.
E couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Honestly, e went there, and that's when I knew I was like, Well, I always obviously dreamed of going it was It was my wife goal to wrestle in Japan.
Then when I went, I was like, I was, like, just Okay, now what do you do? Okay, well, you set your goals even higher.
What's the next step? Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna come back, and I'm gonna stay for three months or something, or I'm gonna stay for you on day.
I'm gonna try to get a job and this and that, so it zta matter of, Like, what? The next to taking the next step. Realistically.
And ah, lot of it came down to when I went over there.
I realized, like, Alright, what? Um I really capable of I know what I'm capable of.
So let's just have to make it happen.
It's just unfortunate that the whole whole pandemic threw a wrench in, like, everybody's plan.
So yeah, it's you guys.
I think they're a little more opened up now.
Um, Massachusetts is just waken go to restaurants now, but we have to sit outside.
Oh, you work in New York and, uh, in Massachusetts were pretty much like neck and neck when it comes like the phases and stuff.
Look I wouldn't say like New York's really doing anything Thio too fast assed faras like faster than than Massachusetts E.
Think those stupid that like you could go to the gym and Rhode Island right now, but you can't go in Massachusetts.
So it's like, What if you live in like Fall River like I was living on the South Coast? So it's like when when I was living in, like, Westport or something e O C **** and go to the workout world in In East Problems e a guy and I put on probably £20 during this bull****.
And I have to do something once this is over and I can't start yet.
Well, I can't do basic home stuff, but not, you know, not to the extent that I need to and that people just, uh, it's crazy and the world is not right now.
But staying healthy, I guess.
Is there the goal, I guess staying healthy.
But getting that shape or something, I don't know.
I trained pretty much almost the whole pandemic, meaning Danela knew a guy in Jersey who owns a gym, and he let us have the key to it so he could go whenever the hell he wanted.
And it wasn't like a complete gym or anything like that, but it had enoughto get the job done.
Have you started? Have you started hearing of bookings coming up after yet or not? Well, I am gonna. I got bookings.
E got bookings coming up.
G C W is on the 20th.
I w a mid south is gonna be on the 19th on, then I'm going back in July or July 4th is G C.
Uh, that's in somebody's like house.
Yeah, it's like a backyard wrestling thing.
There's Ah, there's stuff.
At the end of July back in Indiana, it seems like Indiana is gonna be running running shows and having events and stuff like that for a little while because there's, like, no regulations.
They're they're they're all, like, pretty much we're, like, opened up.
You know, there's a lot of places in the country just like completely opened up, basically its's, I think Massachusetts.
I want to see it.
I miss going like I went toe beyond every week.
You know, the other shows that I would go to and like I missed that.
I miss the just the action right there and there's nothing like it.
You watch the TV product and it's not the same without an audience.
Oh, yeah, I think the TV wrestling is kind of like suffered the most from the crowd there, and it really is sad.
We were what we think about what we had accomplished in the last year or so beyond wrestling.
We were about to take it to a whole other level.
We were opening the school, so way had the school that was about to open up, and we're already seen weirdly had people signing up for it.
So we're gonna we're gonna and be able to really think about it, really plant our seeds in the future of the whole independent wrestling scene.
And I had really we started doing some seminars the last like year year, too, and, you know, I was confident in being able to train people in A lot of people were confident that position and I was looking forward to it.
So the school is going to be, ah, big deal.
We're gonna run the school Monday through Friday.
I was gonna move back up.
I had a I had a sweet situation set up.
I was gonna move closer. The wister.
Um, we were gonna do uncharted territory every Thursday for like, a year straight.
You were never gonna take a break.
Everything was just looking like it was gonna be awesome.
E was supposed to go back to Japan in April.
I was Trips in Mexico planned.
It was everything going, going tremendously and coronavirus and wait to smack down.
You know, it may not be too.
It's back to normal.
Might not happen till next year, but I think we'll be back because, I mean, let's face it beyond Beyond Zbig Drawing Show e.
I got a very definitely I would say so, but they're pretty strict at the door there.
So they could keep a count on people if they wanted to.
I mean, you know, it's a matter of like, what? What the You know, Drew and the the I w t V people see is worth it.
Comes to what they're going to dio as's faras, you know? Are they gonna operate with less less capacity? I know the venue of the White Eagle.
Excuse you. Yeah, store.
There's a White Eagle is apparently, like, really on board and we own our own right now, you know, we want to ring forever.
So we actually own our own right now because we were starting to school on everything.
So there's a ring there, and the building is is being, like, renovated. They're renovating.
The are like the whole structure in the structures of the building and stuff.
So it's gonna be operational, I think.
But when the time comes and and all the stuff lifted it, it's just a matter of knowing when we don't know when it's a matter of time.
It's a matter of it's a matter of we don't know when it's what's gonna be available to Dio and then what we're gonna have to dio when we can.
You know, West capacity.
All this that just goes back and forth or we're gonna are people gonna have to be tested at the door.
What? It's just it's all so much back before You don't know what to believe.
You don't know what's actually gonna happen, you know now will Dajun just asked is the school still gonna be a thing? Do you know? I mean, of course, a theory.
We'd love it to be a thing, but way we have nothing to Bates.
Any actual plans, off way, can't plan or set dates are and you can't invest rent into a building that you can't use.
It's just their way.
Can't make any decisions or any or make any plans based on, you know, the coronavirus stuff.
We have to wait and see what happens with with basis and all that ****.
It's just a matter of waiting.
Now, like I've been around the New England indie scene for 15 years now.
And what's amazing about two Beyond wrestling fans, I could go toe five different shows on the weekend up here and see the same people five different times.
I go to a be on show and you guys have your own crowd.
Yeah, well, independent wrestling crowd up here, it's yeah, and it evolved over the years, But the last year to really, I think was the best it's been.
It's been the best it ever was, and it's been in there a great crowd.
They're fun and really the evolution of the W T. V thing.
Though the weekly shows it, really, it really turned everything up a notch, you know.
Especially I said to Drew one day, um, 90% of the promotions up here in New England wanted to B E C W.
Yeah, he kind of did that without trying to be e c.
It just kind of evolved that way in the connection and the connection they have with the fans.
It's very similar to the connection that E.
W had with its fans back in the state.
Yeah, because that's because people are lazy.
They don't come up like they don't come up with their own idea.
Yeah, No, Absolutely.
And but the way I said it to Drew was like, you weren't trying to be that.
And you became that and every other company that tried to couldn't figure it out.
And it was the matter of take.
Hey, let's take the barricades away.
Hey, let's let the feds come up and bang on the ring.
Yeah, way didn't wanna come.
We didn't wanna distance ourselves too far from what the original concept was of the fans around the ring of the wrestlers around the ring.
You know what I mean? So that's why we never set up seeping or anything like that.
And Leo Kahn is just asked, and this is good, because I know these two.
Both, um, we have a couple matches for beyond, and he wants to know your thoughts on some of the younger talent from this area.
Alec Price and C.
I saw the kid Price.
Hey, had some moves.
I see the kid, Cruz.
I've seen him wrestle.
I you know, I thought he was all right.
I just like, you know, I think these kids that young, they need to get need to get in the gym, you know, need toe work on the aesthetic, a little bit mawr.
But I thought that there was some potential there.
Obviously, I knew the kid Price.
I don't drew like the kid Price and he, like, use from Fall River or something or that area.
So which I thought was interesting, because there's not a lot of guys from that area who end up kind of like popping up in beyond s.
So I thought that was cool.
I thought they were.
They seemed like they were doing all right.
Yeah, they had a cup.
Those two together have had great matches.
Um, yeah, and I like them both.
I think they're both good kids.
I think they're both fun to watch, but like you said, I mean, Alec is on the smaller side, and Cruz is a big hit is short, but he's he's stocky and the strongest legitimately strong that price.
Well, the kid price.
I do remember on occasions like Drew being impressed with him and being like, Oh, that kid had a pretty good match that that that kid Oh, he was really impressive that this match or whatever that.
So I was like, Oh, cool.
I saw him like cutting a Provo once, and he had, like, a really thick New England.
Yeah, you know, I was like, Yeah, that's so he grew the price, grew up in south in South Boston, and then he moved.
I don't know where he's at now, but in that you don't get money.
What's that? Yeah.
Yeah, And you don't get much of ****er accent because he grew up right in the middle of the city.
So Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Everybody's got a pretty thick accent down there to e New Bedford for three years.
So it's, uh yeah, they got pretty thick accent over there, too.
Were you wrestling when you were down there? Were you wrestling in this area, or were you just doing that? Yeah.
I e from 2016 in 2019 I was, like, about this close and pretty much handshake and an agreement away from becoming a firefighter in New Bedford.
Oh, really? E I know you did.
A couple of I know, I saw you once or twice for top rope down there.
And I know you did UFO with You have to match handsome aloneness there.
Yeah, you were at that show.
So that was probably the only UFO show I wasn't asked.
Yeah, I did that.
Obviously, I Ted, Ted is one of my best friends.
Me and Ted were roommates for Okay.
Yeah, me and yeah.
Yep. That's a good guy.
He's definitely a like a legendary New England wrestler, for sure.
I think he could have done something at one point it probably still could if he wanted to.
I mean, he keeps himself in a pack of shape.
Hope for Shorten definitely wants to still do stuff.
And he's trying really hard to stay consistent with beyond, because he finally got, like, another opportunity to work for beyond.
And it went really well.
Really? Like Ted loves wrestling.
I'm gonna be dead.
I'm gonna be shut. That sounds you.
Actually, anybody was wrestling more than Ted.
He definitely falls.
Maurin old school spectrum of the old school WWF.
Hey likes he's He will watch.
He watches the show every week.
He'll watch the uncharted territory every week.
He'll he'll He'll watch anything something, sometimes just to see what's going on.
And, uh, Ted Ted loves it.
Man, I Ted will be wrestling Ted, like Dennis Stamp will be resting place, like resolved, but he'll be get, but it'll still be getting booked.
Yeah, he will go.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
Yeah, he absolutely.
Now do you feel the difference that there's a difference between New York and New England Still, Or do you think that's been kind of do you think New England kind of adapted to the New York style? I don't think New York's kind of like anything anymore.
Honestly, there really isn't.
There's not too many companies that run here.
I mean, there's some stuff, but it's not like anything that's like, you know, ringing any bells or like, you know, I can't even like there's some stuff in the Bronx.
Uh, well, New York was always tough because it was you had to rent someone else.
You have to get a license.
You couldn't really get a license, so you had to rent someone's license.
Then you had to get a You have to have a You have to pay a doctor to be in every New York show.
Yeah, I just feel like these responses were out of hand to me.
Yeah, New York based promotions is not, and there's their stuff.
And if I'm being disrespectful than any of those those those companies, I'm sorry, E No, there's some stuff in the Bronx.
There's there's companies that run, but ast faras like styles and stuff.
Now everything's kind of just all over the place, and everybody works everywhere.
Anyways, there's there's plenty of those kids that will come down here and do a show and then they'll be up.
It shows New England doing shows, and yeah, so everybody tries to be really bounce around and do and do their own thing, you know? But as far as like New York having its own promotion and its own home promotion anymore, I don't know who whatever that promotion is.
I mean, maybe they should speak up, raise your hand? I don't know.
I know it s so much in New York the last couple of years.
The listen, I could off the top of mind, that would be, like wrestle pro Wrestle, bro.
Yeah, but they really want their a New Jersey company.
They they're definitely more of a New Jersey company.
Yeah, that's the only I mean, Jersey, All pro.
Yeah, that's Jersey.
But that's the only one in that area that makes noise.
So the only jersey also has been gone for years.
I mean, G c w pretty much I guess you're faced in this area there running Asbury Park.
They do run in New York sometimes, and I mean I mean begotten not being biased.
I mean, the proof is there the numbers? The proof on what you see? W is the biggest Indian in the world.
Pretty much, I mean G c W sells out crowds.
It doesn't matter if it's New York. If it's Chicago.
If it's Tokyo, it's like I mean, like, G c W The ride.
I went on with them for a year.
I was like I was blown away when I went to L.
A for the first time, the g c w on.
I mean, I was blown away when they were doing the spring break stuff, and I couldn't believe how many people they were drawing or the first Bloodsport card I was like because I was wrestling for all of them, doing all that WWN stuff and go shows didn't have any buzz warrant drawing anywhere near us.
Muchas what the G.
And that's when the the flag started going off because I was with G C. W.
Before it was G C.
W. And it was J. C. W.
Remember J C W no.
Was that Jersey Championship wrestling? Yes, that's what W waas and then J C W became G C W.
And and I kind of like ****ed off and I moved to Massachusetts, so I I didn't want to just drive to shows.
Anyone they weren't paying is good or whatever I was Just because I was I didn't care.
So then when I was gone and I realized Jesus things cos is gaining some serious steam I need to get with this company.
Um, you know, they blew up Joey Jenelle a spring break and all that blah, blah, blah.
So I realized, like you need to start working these shows.
So I got I was obviously started doing mawr for them.
I went out to L.
A and I I done pwg before I'd wrestled in l A before and I saw the crowd and I reached the crowd. Reacted.
I mean, I had a matrix style and or that it was insane.
I was like their drawing this well out here.
And then it was like everywhere I went and wrestled for G c. W.
It was sold out when I e I would say that when I did the rides down to Jersey for shows with guys and be like because up here that I'm talking 10 years ago.
Um p w s still had the old owner.
Pro wrestling syndicate.
Still had the old. It was still a thing and still had the old door.
Yeah, those tap out at the time.
Um, I know there's a lot of heat on him for ****, but that's I don't even know, but nobody looks like.
Yeah, like he draw maybe four or 500 at that point.
And up here in New England, we were lucky to get like a buck 50 of the show.
All the fans stuck out there.
They don't go to shows.
You know, The fact that we could draw 200 people every Thursday is like, unprecedented.
And then for our big shows will do.
I get 900,000 people and it's 200.
Paid its 900 page.
You know what I mean? It's not beyond a different story.
You can't really compare it to anything else through the other companies.
That is disappointing, but I've done shows, you know, I've done some of Ted's top rope shows in New Bedford, where he sold a lot of tickets, and it was a great crowd.
Um, it's not like your typical Indy wrestling crowd.
More like casual fans were just there to have a good time.
That's okay, too.
That's just a different dynamic of the of the of the shows and a different and, you know, you just change it up and you entertain the crowd.
That's that you have before you that night.
Yeah, the top rope shows they tend to.
They get a lot of kids and stuff in that area.
Usually that that fall river buildings, one of my favorite buildings, toe watch wrestling and yeah, yeah, such a cool place.
But I mean, the way you guys have a set up, I paid the extra 10 bucks to get a seat.
I'm 45 years old with a bad back.
I'm not standing for the I have, but then, you know I set off.
I pay the extra 10 bucks.
I can sit down when I want.
That's why there's this seats and that's yeah, it Z.
He's got a great It's just I love beyond at this point, and I didn't I was so and I like I'm friends with the hoods.
I love the hoods, but I was so much against the look mono fans stuff because they say, How is he going to make money? And then here he is.
Two million on YouTube and now selling out places like you obviously had a plan.
Where even way back then is this? He's a listen.
Cordero uh, He's responsible for a lot of things that wrestling adapted to change with it.
I mean, there's a lot of things that happened in W.
W E that comes directly from Drew Cordero's creative genius.
Over the years, he just somebody.
He's just somebody who saw the future before the was happening.
Keith Reverse hijacked.
That was straight off of Beyond Show.
He predicted the way things were going to go assed faras promoting on social media, the release of content utilizing YouTube, all things that obviously people are going to catch on to.
But he was the first one to do it, and I realized that beyond wrestling with serious when, like I started getting bookings off of just like those videos on YouTube where I was wrestling in front of no crowd and I was like, Oh, people really think this is good because we were really busting Our ass is right.
And it and it was cool.
It looked cool when it was just the old presentation.
The top down camera.
It was just raw and gritty.
And it was it was something different.
So, you know, there was a lot of people who obviously gave the whole concept, Chet and maybe thought it wasn't gonna work.
And I could bet you any amount of money those people, uh, either work for us or try to work for us.
And e I'm eating crow on it now, and I wasnt against the wrestling.
You guys did bust your ass for that.
I was against the like, How is he going to make money? E don't know.
Figured something else? Yeah, Yeah, he did.
E just didn't You know, it shows the visionary that he was because everybody told him he couldn't.
It wouldn't succeed.
And until I'm talking to him, I'm talking to him right now doing.
He's asking me if I did the interview last night instead of doing it now.
No, I'm actually on the interview right now, and I'm completely kicking your ass, talking about But what a visionary you are.
So we Because we want to get him on, they want you on the show. Next.
Uh huh. All right.
Yeah, I e a total *****. He's such a baby.
But he's so scared of coronavirus, I think that Is that right? I give him a lot of ****.
He's, uh, give a lot of **** about stuff.
He's my best friend.
He's a good guy.
So I've heard that you're, like, the locker room guy.
This I kind of figured that, I guess, e guess you know, if you if you do anything stupid, your you may or may or may not hear from May.
But nobody does anything stupid because everybody that that's comes to beyond wrestling is a good birth.
If you're you're not there, if if you're if you're you know you're not gonna be there if you're a troublemaker or if you're well, I'm not.
I don't have any.
There's been plenty of people have tried to get work at the arm wrestling, and it's not like you're going to make that decision.
I could help people in some way on.
I could have assisted.
I've come up with ideas.
And I've booked angles and things like that that have executed and then that fully awesome.
I usually come up with this. Great. I will take credit for it.
Uh, it always usually works out.
Gonna be honest there.
And, uh but I guess if you want to consider me the locker room leader, I mean, I guess I'm one of them.
It's kind of maybe it's it's more of like a It's probably more of, like, a silence type of appreciation thing I've lost in a couple of times, You know, over things.
But it's just because I don't wanna hear Drew.
It could be a no.
Drew is annoying about things while like, I'll try to like you guys.
What the ****? Don't do this because, you know he will harp over stupid stuff like don't break break, not breaking rules.
When it comes to like the building and things like that, just try to, like, enforce those rules and make sure everything goes smoothly.
You know, way had Kevin Quinn on last night and he said you would you? We're always the one to help him in the locker room.
O Quinn is the best.
Quincy got another great guy.
He's a great referee.
He's a great guy.
He really is passionate about what he's doing his age of 82.
He still loves program.
Yeah, I mean, we're lucky We have really good referees when we got Stephen and all the other guys that, like, kind of by circling and now they're all pretty good, too.
That's that's it.
When you look at where Steven is, you know, and Queen could be anywhere as well.
I tell. I tell Kevin that all the time.
Yeah, you know, he's a phone call away from being somewhere. Yeah.
I mean, I love those guys.
I mean, I listen.
Like I haven't seen some people, some of these people in months.
At one point, I saw somebody like Kevin Coyne more than I see my own family, and I'm perfectly, But I'm perfectly fine with that family.
And it's like I missed my family this wrestling so much because I just you wait.
We were running way.
I mean, you see everybody so much, and it's you really, now that it's like, been gone for so long, man, you really appreciate it that much.
I mean, you can only put up with so much Anthony Green, though, right? I'm cool with a G e.
Became traveling buddies and me.
Him and Briggs did a bunch of groups up through Canada and back through some serious, seriously treacherous terrain.
A times you got stuck in a we gotta stuck in a couple of blizzards.
Like I'm talking driving from Ottawa, toe Hamilton in Canada in the middle of the winter, and it's, like, pretty ****ty.
So we've We've talked a lot of hours on the road together.
And e What about what about my close buddy.
I'm so proud of what that kid's done.
And I love to bust his balls.
Yeah, he was just a referee to at one.
Yeah, he was just a rep for 13 years old.
Yeah, around for a minute.
Leo Kahn is just ask.
Do you still work for Tommy? Dreamer's helps a hard core.
I mean, what was the last time? Tommy Dreamer's house? Hardcore rand.
Yeah, that's what was the last time anyone ran right about 445 shows for House of Hardcore.
But, I mean, he hasn't won in a long time, even when wrestling was still active. He hadn't.
He hadn't running a while.
E saw Leo at a backstage at a at the E C W Arena once.
Yeah, he used to do.
He did a lot of catering for them.
Yeah, I saw him.
I saw him there at one time at a house.
Hard, of course.
Yeah, he was a good guy.
He's got a He's got something like this.
He's got a cable access show YouTube show going to so nice and a couple he's got actually to going on now.
So he's got us beat the New England India inside of his new one.
So I know he's gonna be hitting you guys up with beyond to these.
Try to focus on every promotion in New England and beyond.
Obviously, is the king what's cool? But now what else? Where's your What's your Twitter? I know we get it up on the screen, but your Twitter, your other social media's instagram Dirty ****inson just the way it spelled Dirty ****inson at Dirty ****inson and my Instagram is at born dirty, died dirty so you can follow me on both of those if you're if you're still please.
Or if you already don't Or do where did the dirty daddy come from? It's actually ah, like a real life story.
I didn't just come up with the name.
Good friend of mine, One of my best friends.
His name is Lance.
I've known it sounds about 15.
He calls me dirty.
I don't know what always called me dirty like, I guess.
Maybe because I really like O D B the old dirty *******.
I'm actually in the top.
1% of people that listen to Wu Tang clan in the whole world.
My Spotify tells me so.
Is that right? But have you heard that CD that only get sold to the one guy? No, I'm all set.
Something tells me they didn't put too much.
They made a lot of money off of it, selling it to him.
But something tells me they do.
Only one person, a little drug guy. Whatever.
Yeah, but, uh, but fresh Jesse, it's a kid.
I used to live weights with a kid from my gym.
My gym is a whole life long story social circle in itself.
And my friend Jesse used to work out with this kid.
He's bigger than me and stronger than me.
And he'd always doom or more reps or something, you know, more weight or whatever.
And he always be showing off.
He do his set and he would look at me and he, like, pat me on the back and go, Don't worry, Daddy is here for you.
And I'd be like, Wow, what a ****ing great and so e like I gotta what? And into a promo Or I got a call myself daddy like that's cool it Don't worry, Daddy is here for you.
I was like, Oh, God, that's such a good such a good in felt.
And somehow I guess I e don't know how when the light bulb went off but I said 30 daddy on.
I put it on a T shirt and it sold really well.
And then people started chanting it at C. C.
I remember at CCW people just going dirty, Dad, and, uh, ****, this is just finally I have a name.
It's got the right amount of syllables to chant, and it does work out pretty Well, Yeah, it was pretty cool. Straight.
People staying in Japan.
Okay, that's gonna be That's gonna be different now.
Someone just asked.
Well, does what's your favorite Wu Tang album? Obviously.
Like the end of the 36 chambers.
But I think my favorite one out of all of them, like all of the solo albums, everything is the Liquid Swords album.
Okay, I I gotta go 36 chambers myself like I love hip hop.
I'm an old hip hop head, so, yeah, you couldn't wrap, but that's yeah, they are so talented.
But Chris, I mean, that's We've gone about an hour.
Um, is there anything else you wanna put out there? I know there's not a lot going on, but no, just be nice to each other, man through each other.
Uh, I'm not a political guy.
I kind of think all politicians are s***, so I don't get involved, and I don't really have any Uh, I don't really e didn't really think too much about it before this whole thing, but I don't know, just we're all the ****ing same.
And on the inside, we all bleed red.
Please, man, people just need to be nice to each other.
It's is we living in? We're living in some ****ing crazy, crazy time e.
I just want the world to get back to normal because if the world came back to normal, then I can't do my job.
And I just want to ****ing do my job because my job is the best job in the ****ing world.
It's not the most conventional job.
It's not the safest job it's terms of, you know, career wise, financially and physically and all that.
But my train, it's my job.
And I absolutely love professional resting more than anything in the world.
I'll never stop loving it, and I'll never stop doing it.
So I just want to be able to do it again.
And I want this virus ****.
You go away just like anybody else.
Anything we could do to try to like, collectively make that happen and expedite that process would be great.
Yeah, e mean, I don't know social distance, and I don't know if the mass work, but let's yeah, ****ing try it.
You gotta try it to say it doesn't work.
I don't know what the building you anymore.
What the **** to believe anymore? It's a It's a ****ed up world that were literally living through like the seven plagues of the Bible Right now, man, it's ****ing crazy.
And like I was talking about Japan before since I went there and made so many friends e painted I obviously when I was supposed to go back in April, I obviously have, like, long term plans and wanted to go back, you know, permanently.
I want to pay attention to the news there almost every day.
Whatever the **** else is there to do, It's nothing todo So I started reading the news from there every day and paying attention, Thio the way they handled the you know, their protocols, dealing with the pandemic.
And according to like the way our media was was spinning, it was that they were facing a ****ing disaster because they were late to start addressing protocols for the coronavirus because, you know, people had their own reasons.
They wanted to see if it would blow over and because they were trying to still hold on to the Olympics happening, whatever.
Regardless, they're already kind of like out of the Woods and they didn't even force, you know, like, implement these, uh, these like the shutdown rules.
Now they like, suggested.
And they told people you can show they gave people like there was, like, a state of emergency period for, like, maybe about two weeks to three weeks.
And they didn't even force businesses to completely shut down.
It was like a voluntary act and not not everything completely changed like it did here.
Yeah, their economy definitely took a big hit.
They but still, man, they got their numbers down.
And I don't know if it's because the media is more honest if they're just if it's because they're all on the same page because this is like because the country is made up of, like, 90% all Japanese people.
So it's not like there's all these conflicting cultures and things like that, so but they seem to have, like, really turned it around way faster than anybody else.
And they're kind of like getting back thio business.
And we're just kind of like still ****ed in a lot of ways.
And it's just it's so disappointing because it's like, ****, what's wrong with us? Why can't We just, like, get the **** together here, but obvious why we don't need to get into it.
Start on the ****ing news, it go on Twitter.
Yeah, yeah, there's there's all sorts of things.
There's all sorts of things.
Everybody's got an agenda.
Everybody's everybody's got something going on.
They got they got control of us, man.
One way or another is control.
It's just there's something going on here that we don't know it, but we don't.
We don't have a ****ing course.
What's going on? So e Just hoping to get back to normal, Man, that's really it.
Yeah, And you said it would be nice to each other.
Let's get this ****.
Let's finish this stuff up and let's get some wrestling going again.
Let's like Chris work and make some money