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00:00:00
this was not as exceeding as Maybe we'll hope from game one for the degree details.
00:00:05
I mean, did you like to do like that? Did you expect to go down that way in game one? No, no, I mean, I think I would have I expected the Lakers to win, but I thought that we would see a little bit more of what Miami could dio.
00:00:17
I did a stream the day before the two days.
00:00:20
No.
00:00:21
Yeah, the day before, Um, with a guy who covered Lakers and, like, I was pretty bullish on them.
00:00:25
I said Lakers in five.
00:00:27
I don't know where the Miami offense is gonna come from.
00:00:29
I think they have the right counters to the Lakers.
00:00:31
We kind of talked about that on our stream on What was that? Tuesday.
00:00:34
So, um so I mean, with all that said, like, I didn't expect that.
00:00:40
I mean, that that was shades of the 2018 finals.
00:00:45
Where, and I know that Game one was actually really, really good.
00:00:48
That was like one of the better.
00:00:49
I might watch that this summer on a rewatch that that 2018 game one where LeBron's playing is you know, playing his mind, that basically against the Warriors.
00:00:58
But after that, in that Siri's, it really started to slip away from them.
00:01:01
That's how that game one in this Siri's film, um so I mean, I don't know what that means for this Siri's, but it was It wasn't it wasn't a great start.
00:01:10
Well, the up 13 for the because, you know, I came in just like it was maybe a minute into the start of the game as I was getting home to start watching it.
00:01:19
And you go from up 13.
00:01:21
I think there's a lot of 30 is like a 30 something point swing there from the midway through the first quarter into the second quarter, and I think that that's always about is deflating as it can get when you if you feel like you're coming as an underdog and you at least get out there, you get that lead.
00:01:36
You hope that it takes more than just kind of being like, all right, looks like we'll go ahead and flip the switch and really start dialing it up.
00:01:42
And when you're hitting what you know, what was a 65% from deep, you know, over a lot of shots.
00:01:47
They're like it really set up in an ugly way, visually, where you were, like, cheat.
00:01:52
Well, I mean, if everybody's gonna hit threes for the Lakers to start, you know, to start this game, what are we gonna get into here? Um, one of the things that this isn't plus minus is never the barometer by which you should gauge the success.
00:02:05
But Tyler hero does set in a Laker Sorry, an n b a finals record, breaking Kobe Bryant's record by going minus 35 in this one.
00:02:14
He didn't knock down some shots later in the game, but the real thing that has led me to was just looking overall at plus minus on the Miami Heat.
00:02:22
And actually where the bigger ones that jumped out.
00:02:23
And it was Iguodala.
00:02:25
Because when you and I started talking about this, we thought, Well, he's a guy even older.
00:02:30
He's been a guy that matches up with LeBron and takes on that assignment.
00:02:33
And you, you didn't You didn't see any of the successes that you thought Miami might have to make this a more difficult game.
00:02:41
Were there anything that surprised.
00:02:43
You know, we're gonna get to the unfortunate, relatively long list of injuries that Miami comes out of this with.
00:02:48
What were the things that surprised you in terms of what you thought Miami could do that just didn't even seem to be on the table for them in this first game? The Duncan Robinson thing has to be number one for me, like the Tyler hero, Whatever.
00:02:59
I mean, you know, they contested his looks, but he's a rookie in his first finals.
00:03:03
And, like, I expect some nerves.
00:03:05
Andi.
00:03:06
I mean, he hit a couple of nice.
00:03:07
He hit that nice little shot around that curl off the baseline 80.
00:03:11
, so that was nice, But yeah, I think the Duncan Robinson thing is tricky.
00:03:17
They just they were ready for those handoff actions.
00:03:20
And because of that, I don't know where the where the heat go from there, because that's a big part of their offense.
00:03:27
You know, he's the one that expands the floor the way he does so on Ben, you know there's injuries to that way, obviously, the way a little bit.
00:03:36
But, you know, um, that that that was a big one.
00:03:39
for me where I was like, Oh, I don't know what this means, but it's not a good thing.
00:03:45
Yeah, And then, you know, a lot of the talk this morning around this game is being around, which is like, the easy thing to say, and they're even acknowledging it.
00:03:52
Most of them we go, you got to try to find a way toe, force it to be so if it means running double teams that LeBron who's incredible working out of double teams and find the shooter.
00:04:07
But if you have to just rush him with pressure and Rush, Anthony dates with double teams and then live with the fact that yeah, okay, if Rondo is green, you know, if the quote others are going to knock down those shots and those plays, that's fine.
00:04:20
Were you surprised at all that? Maybe Sister didn't come out more aggressively in that kind of area? Or do you think that because pollster has obviously we know it was a great coach, and if you just kind of trying to test the waters on some things in Game one and then say, based on what we see in our sample size, we're gonna pivot and we'll make our adjustments now and then.
00:04:38
Maybe injuries do play a factor here, but I don't from a game plan standpoint, it really didn't matter who was getting hurt here.
00:04:44
They seem to be living with some of what LeBron and D we're going to get and just made it very easy.
00:04:49
Like a D had one of the easiest.
00:04:51
You know, it was just kind of Hey, watch me.
00:04:53
Watch me, Watch me go for 30 plus in this game there wasn't a a lot of resistance there.
00:04:58
There wasn't a lot of different looks or opportunities for maybe the heat to surprise Miami.
00:05:04
Sorry, the Lakers on the defensive end.
00:05:07
Yeah.
00:05:08
No, I I agree.
00:05:09
I would double team A D because he's not as good of a passer and like, you know, at this point, he's seen double teams for enough years that he's gonna figure that out, But I would at least try it.
00:05:19
Uh, doesn't feel they ran a lot more man to man than I than I thought they would.
00:05:24
Um, so that was some having Anthony Davis just come up with the flank right where there's that whole in the zone is just, like, not even fair.
00:05:38
It's like, Okay, well, this possessions over like, because you could just make everything he's not missing from the mid range.
00:05:44
So, um, so I think my thing would just be to size up a little bit.
00:05:49
And that means you're gonna be playing Kelly Olynyk and Meyers Leonard, which they did in the regular season.
00:05:55
Um, where they this just like physical on ideas, A little bit of an edge, which feels weird because the heat are a tough team, But I I don't know.
00:06:12
I would throw him out there a little bit more, and I you know, Meyers, Leonard, say what you want.
00:06:18
He'll rebound and will shoot threes, and he's decent at it.
00:06:21
So I mean, look like you.
00:06:24
There are worse options out there for, like, sizing up because they at least stretch the Lakers centers.
00:06:31
You know, a little bit beyond the arc.
00:06:33
A little bit like or they put a smaller guy on Meyers Leonard, but ideally, he shoots over that guy.
00:06:38
I don't hate it.
00:06:39
I actually think like that's the easy adjustment, and it's a decent one now.
00:06:44
I don't know if they can overcome the talent discrepancy because that's very clearly a problem.
00:06:49
But maybe they stumble into something like maybe they needed this game one to really shake things up and throw these stretch centers out there.
00:06:57
That could detonate a little bit against the against the Lakers.
00:07:00
Because, I mean, you know, look, Nicole Yokich was raining threes in the last Siri's, and it was one of the things that kind of kept them in that Siri's.
00:07:08
So I don't know.
00:07:09
I'm trying to remain optimistic here, and I think that that's theon v iss.
00:07:13
But, um, adjustment that could really work because, you know, the shooting and Martin is a big dude.
00:07:19
Well, I think it's you say, like the the draw, that positive or negative right of going a little bit smaller and working with what you had in these playoffs, which, by the way, just to step it back to that Boston serious for a minute, you say about going man versus going zone like this is that thing of what looks good and is successful and what Spoelstra obviously probably knew coming into the finals is saying, Yeah, I'm not gonna go out there and run zone against the Lakers with LeBron because it's not gonna be something that they won't break down relatively quickly, as opposed to the Boston series.
00:07:48
It was like, If you can't answer it, then I don't need to adjust it, and that's and that's great for that serious.
00:07:54
But now, in this one, obviously supposed to look at it and says, I don't know if that's even worth checking out.
00:07:59
When you talk about sizing up, I think you obviously give up a certain element of athleticism and maybe more natural scoring and on the ball.
00:08:07
But it's probably a pick him, you know, it's it's to choose your poison.
00:08:12
Do you want to be a little bit your and maybe slow the game down a little bit more for yourself and keep yourself maybe closer in it? And I way could get into the injuries now because this is the other problem.
00:08:22
I don't know how much weight I could put on where this game ended up or what it was gonna look like.
00:08:27
But a soon as drag, it goes down with what ends up being, uh, Tauran.
00:08:31
Plantar fasciitis with just is a complete side note, man like I know what I know exactly where that is on the foot, and I know that it gets sword and s o Okay.
00:08:40
All right, girls, watch this.
00:08:42
Matt Brooks, right.
00:08:44
The 35 year old American male.
00:08:46
Uh, it s so it runs when you look at your foot and you stretch, you flex your feet back and you feel that that that vein that runs all the way down, like basically from your big toe back to your heel, that's your plantar fascia.
00:08:58
And what ends up happening is like it tightens and tightens over time.
00:09:02
That's why you're always doing those stretches they talked about, like taking a tennis ball and rolling your foot over it so it keeps it loose and flexible.
00:09:07
So once that tightens up like any muscle, eventually it's going to tear or snap when you're overextending it when you're over stretching it.
00:09:15
So to put up, let's paint that picture for you.
00:09:18
So drunk, it's just toward that thing.
00:09:19
And I can't imagine how painful that was because I've gone to have, you know, massages done around that, and it is brutal when the thing is fine and they're just trying to make it feel better.
00:09:29
So anyway, she goes down with that in three animals on.
00:09:33
Then you also take a look and say that Jimmy Butler clearly gets beat up in this one like this.
00:09:38
Uh, arsons always get derailed at some point.
00:09:41
Guys, I just didn't know around my fashion.
00:09:44
Eso he goes down, he goes down with that injury.
00:09:48
You have butler getting beaten up, tweaks his own ankle like that's a brutal misstep there.
00:09:52
And then you talk about bam on the bio, right? He lands on his shoulder again.
00:09:55
It's a familiar one.
00:09:56
They say the X rays were negative, But as soon as you see that happening Game one, my initial, my immediate thought is all right.
00:10:04
You know, whatever I thought about this series when we talked last time, I said, Listen, to be great if they could get to a six game and maybe be thinking about pushing into a Game seven down 32 when you see even just nagging injuries, all these guys, we're probably gonna be okay.
00:10:18
They listen, even even drag.
00:10:20
It is listed day to day with that.
00:10:21
But you know that you're a little nicked up like you need to be crisp and clean.
00:10:24
You need Anthony Davis to be a little nicked up.
00:10:27
You need LeBron James to be dealing with something.
00:10:29
Or even you saw Rondo tweet himself a little bit there.
00:10:32
And that one as well, Like little things like that start to help balance out the talent discrepancy here.
00:10:37
And instead, maybe your three most important players, possibly for Miami, are all sitting here going like, yeah, we're gonna be the wounded warrior, Not.
00:10:45
I'm like when you saw Jamal Murray, right? In the last series in the Western Conference finals, where you're like, this dude has just been battered for three Siris in order to get here.
00:10:52
I can't imagine what he looks like when he finally gets to leave this bubble.
00:10:56
Yeah, well, the one I'm worried about bam.
00:10:59
Because if they lose bam, I just I like Do we watch this? Like, do we watch the Siri's? I mean, look small out there like it was like it was kind of weird.
00:11:13
This is the first.
00:11:14
I mean, look, you look just enormous and so vertical and just so freakishly athletic in that last series against the Celtics going against Isis and Enis, Kanter and all these guys.
00:11:26
And then he comes out there again.
00:11:28
Dwight didn't a B, and it's like, Oh, wow, like this isn't really more of a disadvantage than I even realized just within the first couple of minutes.
00:11:37
Well, and by the way, go back to go back to the Miami Boston, Siri's.
00:11:39
Whenever you saw him around Tatum, I had to say go.
00:11:43
But it was not as big as I think.
00:11:44
He looks small in this serious just look small in Syria.
00:11:46
So the fact that the band was at one point dwarfing players in the previous series and now looks like he, Leonard And then, you know, I am at the floor for sure.
00:12:07
And I think that makes more sense because getting Bannon it's on a d.
00:12:10
So you're gonna be playing.
00:12:12
You're gonna be basically saying, Hey, Kelly, Olynyk I mean, that's up assignment for Kelly Olynyk Meyers.
00:12:19
Leonard.
00:12:20
I weirdly feel better just because he's, like, a little bigger and just like that again got just a beast of a man from down there like like hey, like, wrestle with Dwight Howard.
00:12:28
Um, Kelly Olynyk. That's the big assignment.
00:12:31
Now he's got the little like he just got, like, the bony elbows thing that, like, you know, send one up in your Yeah, like he's got that So that part, I think, is on his side.
00:12:43
But that's what I would do is I would play Bamut before You don't have to worry about spacing too much because both those guys can shoot.
00:12:50
And I mean, I don't know what I If that doesn't work, then I'm truly concerned about this Siri's.
00:12:57
But I do feel like that's their second run.
00:13:00
Maybe see if Tyler hero looks a little a little calmer.
00:13:04
E would say It's probably theater, just mint there and then you just set the hope of the injuries.
00:13:09
But the shoulder thing is not good.
00:13:10
I mean, you don't want that for one of their two best players with Bam.
00:13:15
Are you pulling Crowder out of the starting lineup? If you're Miami, is that but it's the wrong thing to throw out there being like you did like again.
00:13:33
The problem is that some of the guys that you think are going to be valuable defensively and stuff that gets diminished against the Lakers and then you have not a great offensive that you go well, Crowder.
00:13:42
What? What is your real value here? Right.
00:13:45
And what you were in a prior syriza, of course, The pleasures, of course.
00:13:48
The regular season gets so diminished so quickly against a bigger lineup like this.
00:13:52
And I'm not saying that taking him out drastically improves Miami.
00:13:55
But if you want to tweak something, it feels like that's probably one of the first names.
00:13:59
You look too, and just say okay, maybe we try to utilize you in secondary minutes off the bench and create better matchups for you with the second unit of L.
00:14:07
A.
00:14:08
Yeah, I almost wonder because you have to imagine they also don't have Dragic like, Are you gonna be starting Kendrick Nunn? Or do you wanna go really, really? Like they now have to shake this up to you Go, Jimmy at the point.
00:14:16
Duncan Robinson.
00:14:18
I don't even I should know their starting lineup.
00:14:22
But you could go like because they want a clinic.
00:14:25
Bam Butler, Crowder, Dragons and Robinson.
00:14:28
Yep.
00:14:29
So? So maybe you go, Jimmy at the point.
00:14:32
Duncan Robinson at the two.
00:14:34
That feels weird.
00:14:35
But Jimmy, Jimmy basically runs point.
00:14:36
Um, then you go at the three Jae Crowder.
00:14:40
Kelly Olynyk or a guest? Bamut, the four Kelly Olynyk A The five.
00:14:44
Are you even do Meyers.
00:14:45
Leonard, I think been like having Jae crowder played.
00:14:51
The three is maybe not the worst thing.
00:14:53
You know, I actually I might like that line up a little bit better than what they put out there yesterday, because, I mean, this is the thing of the finals is like the team with more talent is the one that's gonna be able to play the way they play.
00:15:06
So for the heat, that means you have to adjust to them.
00:15:10
Now, Fortunately, I actually don't hate the counter that they're gonna throw out there, but they need toe really shake things up like I don't think that that was maybe to the degree that they lost with all the threes and stuff like that.
00:15:22
But, um, I think that they keep things small.
00:15:28
It just It just hasn't worked against this Lakers team.
00:15:30
The other thing I think that's really interesting is if you throw that many big bodies out there, it's a lot easier to lock down the paint just with pure body mass like you just have guys part and it's by nature gonna be packed a little bit more, so I don't think it's the worst thing.
00:15:50
That's an interesting because you think about saying, if we create a scenario where LeBron is less inclined to be driving consistently down the lane, if we keep him a little bit more on the outside, make it physical and difficult for the problem, for me is to It's like you say, make it difficult for Anthony Davis and this isn't obviously putting them in a hierarchy of who's better? He's one.
00:16:11
He's so good And then I put on top of which two like and I don't want.
00:16:15
I don't wanna scan past the fact that how good ideas, Because he's probably in spades in this game, and I've had conversations with people just in general, around basketball and saying watching him over the course of the season, he's with LeBron and saying, you know, is he really one of the top five? Yeah, he's one of time.
00:16:35
I said to you know, 23 positions offensively and defensively.
00:16:38
Yeah, that makes him one of the five best players in the NBA, and it's easy to forget when he had some into troubles and when he's lost in obscurity on the publican on the now pelicans Thio to really realize how good he is.
00:16:48
But the other problem to me is, is you can Maybe, Maybe so.
00:16:51
You're gonna get physical with him. You're gonna live with the results.
00:16:53
But again, it's the Dwight Howard effect, and I hate to.
00:16:57
I just I just did this with with my co host, Doug Nori on the Nets when we were just talking about the Finals.
00:17:02
I go.
00:17:03
There's nobody that I dislike more just based on seeing his face than Dwight Howard.
00:17:09
And there's nothing wrong with him, like he's just he's always had that kind of attitude.
00:17:13
He always had that bravado about him, and there's no better time for him to have that bravado and toe have that stupid grin on his beautiful white teeth that in these finals in this role on this team, and it disgusts me, and when you when you try to clog the lane and they go all right, why, why don't you go in there and be a little chippy and maybe make a couple of questionable plays.
00:17:31
You know, throw a couple arms around and use your big mass like that disrupts that rhythm that creates a little bit of chaos for Miami.
00:17:38
And then, on top of which, if you trend bigger and then you turn around, you say, Well, now what is our secondary unit look like now, right? All of a sudden, we get drastically almost smaller in our second unit because we try to go so big in our starting five.
00:17:51
So the swing of that and then you can easily say and then all of a sudden, javale McGee is gonna have a big game for you because he still has size.
00:17:58
And when you go back and look at the lineup and everyone knows they're big but even the stat lines looking at the starting line up when you go drag it.
00:18:05
And we know that he went out with that injury pretty quickly.
00:18:08
Only 15 minutes has six points.
00:18:10
But drag it and then Robinson, flip it over to the other side, where you're talking about KCP and Denny Green at the guard positions give you combine 24 points and they have length on, the deeper we don't, we don't.
00:18:22
We don't.
00:18:23
Green could be a really strong defensively, but the combination of life like if you're going to get 20 plus points combined from those guys, you're now you're you're gonna deeper hole in a bigger world of hurt because those are those are the guys Danny Green we talked about right? Begin the playoffs, we thought has just got a shot like I don't even know.
00:18:39
I don't even know if the Lakers should put him out there.
00:18:40
And now he becomes a valuable piece e no annoying.
00:18:46
I'm so over it.
00:18:47
I'm like, All right, dude, we get it.
00:18:49
You're just Onley good in one.
00:18:51
Siri's a year like and it's honestly, it's a reason to put him on a roster like get there.
00:18:56
This guy's sniping everything.
00:18:58
He's making shots from the corners.
00:19:00
He's making shots from the top of the key, like a foot or two behind.
00:19:04
I'm just like I don't even know what to do about this.
00:19:07
And like I was watching this Lakers game shirt, you're maybe not going to get the Markieff Morris threes, you know? And maybe maybe you have a bad KCP game, but he's just been really good in the playoffs.
00:19:17
He's been shooting, I believe, north of 40% and same with Danny Green.
00:19:22
I'm like I trust Danny Green In the finals, you might have one or two bad games.
00:19:25
But what, like he's done this every year? It just They came up with the exact right time.
00:19:31
You started seeing it in the last game of that nugget serious, and it was like, Oh, look, Danny Green made a key three.
00:19:37
And now he's like, coming through Just sniping it in the finals.
00:19:41
And I'm like I'm zero managed to turn it on exactly like no one's probably talking to him about any of the shots or not looking so good.
00:20:10
LeBron is not getting any easier.
00:20:11
So, like wait it out.
00:20:13
Don't know Danny Green.
00:20:15
Don't worry. It will be there when we need the most.
00:20:17
The other thing.
00:20:18
I guess that we can.
00:20:19
There's a couple of things if you want to take away from it and maybe leans in the direction of saying Miami should try to get a little bit bigger and that time to get a little bit more physical on the tear on the offensive end and maybe get to the line a little bit more because you do go back and you look at this and I always say it's an easy one to go, Thio.
00:20:34
But this is one of the tenets of winning basketball games and winning finals free throw shooting, getting to the line, getting guys in foul trouble.
00:20:41
You're talking about 25 to 27 for for the Lakers.
00:20:44
So they cleaned up there and just 11 of 14.
00:20:46
So you know that right there, is it just discrepancy in margin? And when you only have bam out of bio going for five and then Butler getting there five of five, that's the bulk of your free throw shooting.
00:20:56
So when you run through Crowder and leave, drag it out of it.
00:21:00
But even a Robinson, they don't get to the line.
00:21:02
It all on Lee Olynyk to your point.
00:21:05
Maybe bigger.
00:21:06
He got to the line twice in his 18 minutes of action, so they have to find a way to get there and I also look at man.
00:21:11
I I know what Robinson is, but when I go into the bench and I see how none performed in game one.
00:21:17
Obviously, he's not going to shoot eight of 11 with consistency, but I switch something up there, too.
00:21:23
If I'm if I'm Spoelstra, I just say, Robinson, if you're gonna knock down your triples, you can easily do that.
00:21:39
My option? You might as well test the waters on something different in the first five or six minutes of the game and then be able to pivot on it because there is some detriment around starting with him.
00:21:48
Hey, went, 03 I mean, the guy's not didn't even shoot in the game.
00:21:52
And an impact was relatively neutral, if not negative, as we know a lot of negative plus minuses in this game.
00:21:59
Yeah, I mean, the the one I'm really stuck on its Kendrick Nunn like, above anybody, Um, I just I don't know if I should buy it, because I have never been a giant Kendrick Nunn guy, even when he was playing well this year.
00:22:15
So I don't know.
00:22:17
But I mean, like, right now what? They could use his scoring and he can create his own shot.
00:22:22
But if that's what you're counter is, I just don't know what does that mean for Miami? You're gonna go down swinging with Kendrick Nunn e will die on this hill.
00:22:37
But, you know, the funny thing is to the other element about you talk about the superstars, right? And this is the discussion.
00:22:43
We can kind of get out of here on this off the way you form your roster.
00:22:46
And look, hey, this is a different way to do it.
00:22:48
You didn't need the two superstars on this Miami roster.
00:22:50
Then you get to the finals and you realize some of the deficiencies you're gonna have their.
00:22:54
But I was curious about Jimmy Butler and what it was gonna look like as you get behind in games And as you are down and you still do feel like, Hey, I I am the best player on this roster like I need to take this thing over.
00:23:07
And I wonder if they can keep going down the road of some of our parts and these pieces, or if you're gonna need whether it is none for a game or for restriction in game of creating his own shot and getting going or Jimmy Butler and living with you saw him late in this.
00:23:21
You know, like the fourth quarter when I was already for a minute run from Jimmy Butler.
00:23:41
Or maybe even hero.
00:23:42
Or maybe it is a catalytic.
00:23:44
You go.
00:23:45
Wow.
00:23:46
Guy got inside, enjoy a handful of fouls and change the dynamic of ah, Dwight Howard Having two or 3001st happened How that looks coming out in the third quarter.
00:23:53
Something like that has to occur for a player and even a very small sample size game number two to feel like you've shifted it to your point before, it's always the heat.
00:24:01
Reacting to the Lakers.
00:24:03
You have to at some point forced them to make force Vogel toe, make an adjustment to what you've done to them specifically in the 1st and 2nd quarters.
00:24:11
It can't be coming out of the break because by that point, I think you're probably trailing by 10 to 15 points and it's your you're behind the eight ball and you can't do anything that you want to do to dictate tempo.
00:24:21
Yeah, I mean, I think for them they have to approach this like they're playing with house money a little bit, and I that feels weird because during the NBA Finals.
00:24:28
Like you might never get back there again with this core.
00:24:30
But, um, I they have to try stuff like that.
00:24:34
That's what SPO has to dio suppose been a great adjuster, and I think that he'll do the right things, but, um but I mean, yeah, just approaches like house money.
00:24:43
You have a young team, you never know who's gonna pop, and and that's gonna have to be the best.
00:24:48
With what? You do this, to be honest with you, um, let me say one thing before we get out of here For everybody saying that this serious would have been better than with the Celtics in there.
00:24:57
I saw that take flying around.
00:24:59
No, it wouldn't have the Daniel ties should not be in an MBA finals like they couldn't be.
00:25:04
You know, they couldn't handle the the heat size.
00:25:08
Imagine this Lakers team going against them.
00:25:10
I don't know.
00:25:11
I just No, no, no.
00:25:13
You would have you talked about.
00:25:14
It's always so easy to do it right.
00:25:17
It's like it's like the nuggets get beat.
00:25:19
You go. Well, you should have been the Clippers.
00:25:21
You know, I I get it.
00:25:22
I understand what's there or whatever, and that's an easier argument to make because you have, you know, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George and that kind of stuff in the game. Likely to your point.
00:25:30
But when we talked about it in that Siri's between Miami and Boston, where you were like, This is the problem for Boston, you don't have a really authority authoritative take over the game for structures Center on this team.
00:25:39
Better big.
00:25:40
You wanna put in a slightly unathletic, not necessarily the biggest five in the world in entice on Boston in the finals.
00:25:48
They won't even bother putting a D on them again. They do.
00:25:51
They'll put Dwight stupid smile on a win, Honestly, White.
00:25:57
And it's fantastic.
00:25:58
Exactly, literally.
00:25:59
You would take him out of the game and then you be sitting there at Boston, Brad Stevens saying.
00:26:03
So where you going after you take a, As you said really arguably a bench five.
00:26:09
That's in your starting lineup.
00:26:11
Who you bringing in after him? And we talked about how Tatum look small in that serious.
00:26:16
How tiny would he have looked when you go? Hey, you know what I was thinking? LeBron, Why Don't you just mess with Tatum for a couple of runs here on Danny Green at him like Danny Green could even garden just blank alone.
00:26:26
Yeah.
00:26:27
Um, No.
00:26:28
And then the other thing is like, people see that and they see the heat in there, and they see the nuggets, and this turns into Oh, well, this is like a easy ring for LeBron or hasn't asked her and all this stuff starting to see that already.
00:26:38
And I'm just like, Look, man, like what happened this year was that nobody expected this team to be this good.
00:26:44
Nobody expected them to basically be working with the bargain. Did.
00:26:49
Because by the time they were looking for free agents, it was weeks after everybody had signed.
00:26:55
You know, Hawaii basically tried to Screwem over, and they were able to feel this really strange big team, and it just happened to work, and the entire league wasn't ready for it.
00:27:08
Nobody else plays this way.
00:27:09
Except for the Philadelphia 76 is that can't get out of their own way like nobody else was ready for this.
00:27:15
I thought the nuggets look big.
00:27:17
They looked small against them.
00:27:18
Um, like This is a situation now where? So look at next year too much.
00:27:25
But I am wondering, like if you're take this, this team on my shirt right here.
00:27:30
What if you're playing the Lakers? What lineup? Because I think the Lakers have a really good chance of going back to back if they do finish this out this year because of how weird and how unconventional they are.
00:27:40
And it depends how everybody retools.
00:27:42
But they're gonna get every Bradley back next year.
00:27:45
They are, and they could add a couple shooters.
00:27:47
You replace the Quinn cook spots like you have ways to improve this team, like just like these Nets or the Clippers or everybody else are working with the M L E and the veteran minimum contract.
00:27:57
They are going to be doing that, too, and there's a chance for them to improve this already Really strong core.
00:28:01
So you're looking at around the league and you're like wondering, Hey, our team's gonna start having to game plan for this.
00:28:08
Like, do you actually need four centers on your roster? Like do you need to try to figure out ways to make this work? Are you going to see.
00:28:16
I don't know Tristan Thompson playing power forward next year because, hey, he's playing Anthony Davis and the Lakers and they have him next to a conventional center.
00:28:25
It's really cool.
00:28:26
I mean, look, our whole perception of how basketball works has been warped by the Warriors, and I think that's why it's so many points this year.
00:28:34
I personally was completely out on the Lakers and I just didn't think it was gonna work.
00:28:38
And it was, Oh, there's not enough shooting and blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:41
But now you have this team.
00:28:43
If they come out of this, I'm willing to flip my perception.
00:28:46
I'm willing to be like, Hey, they're actually might be multiple ways to win.
00:28:50
Well, that's what's so exciting about it, right? That you can now the Golden State Warriors wave and how that impacted the N B A and how teams were built and what you had to be constructed to specifically beat them.
00:29:01
It's just great, like literally said, we're sitting on the precipice of a new wave.
00:29:04
Now it's specific toe.
00:29:05
Having LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
00:29:07
You can't have two random, larger players that their positions and make it happen.
00:29:11
But it does change how other teams are constructed, and Miami is proving that as well, that there's this other methodology.
00:29:17
So there is a new way that's occurring there.
00:29:19
And the last thing to your point about you wanna put up this ass trick around the Lakers and winning a championship.
00:29:24
Guess what, man? You make it to the like.
00:29:26
There's one champion.
00:29:27
This was classic Doug Noi line.
00:29:29
There is one championship every year.
00:29:31
Yep, that's the opportunity one team gets to win every year.
00:29:34
If you keep showing up there, that's an accomplishment in and of itself and its beyond an accomplishment.
00:29:40
LeBron James is showing up in what his 10 finals now in 17 seasons.
00:29:44
And they just so that started status.
00:29:46
This is just that was just 50th finals game that he's played in last night.
00:29:50
He's almost played a season worth off final.
00:30:01
Last thing I want after one game and finals is all of that nonsense around what would have been a better matchup, this team shooting there? Guess what? Miami beat beat everybody else in the East.
00:30:10
They went to the polls and the Lakers did it to for sure, and they would have beat the Clippers like I don't come on like they have disadvantage the whole time.
00:30:18
And they and they have the two best players on the floor.
00:30:20
And then what about the two best players against the Clippers? I mean, look, why was playing great, But he's not difference in speed with these guys.
00:30:27
The difference between where clearly Anthony Davis is.
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Heat rookie Tyler Herro’s Game 1 plus-minus ties Kobe Bryant but it’s not worth bragging about

Miami Heat rookie Tyler Herro came crashing down to earth on Thursday, in what was a forgettable performance from the youngster who’d done so well for his team n the playoffs thus far. He made a bit of history as well, tying a two-decade-old Kobe Bryant record. It’s not what you think, though. By netting […]

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this was not as exceeding as Maybe we'll hope from game one for the degree details.
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I mean, did you like to do like that? Did you expect to go down that way in game one? No, no, I mean, I think I would have I expected the Lakers to win, but I thought that we would see a little bit more of what Miami could dio.
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I did a stream the day before the two days.
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No.
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Yeah, the day before, Um, with a guy who covered Lakers and, like, I was pretty bullish on them.
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I said Lakers in five.
00:00:27
I don't know where the Miami offense is gonna come from.
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I think they have the right counters to the Lakers.
00:00:31
We kind of talked about that on our stream on What was that? Tuesday.
00:00:34
So, um so I mean, with all that said, like, I didn't expect that.
00:00:40
I mean, that that was shades of the 2018 finals.
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Where, and I know that Game one was actually really, really good.
00:00:48
That was like one of the better.
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I might watch that this summer on a rewatch that that 2018 game one where LeBron's playing is you know, playing his mind, that basically against the Warriors.
00:00:58
But after that, in that Siri's, it really started to slip away from them.
00:01:01
That's how that game one in this Siri's film, um so I mean, I don't know what that means for this Siri's, but it was It wasn't it wasn't a great start.
00:01:10
Well, the up 13 for the because, you know, I came in just like it was maybe a minute into the start of the game as I was getting home to start watching it.
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And you go from up 13.
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I think there's a lot of 30 is like a 30 something point swing there from the midway through the first quarter into the second quarter, and I think that that's always about is deflating as it can get when you if you feel like you're coming as an underdog and you at least get out there, you get that lead.
00:01:36
You hope that it takes more than just kind of being like, all right, looks like we'll go ahead and flip the switch and really start dialing it up.
00:01:42
And when you're hitting what you know, what was a 65% from deep, you know, over a lot of shots.
00:01:47
They're like it really set up in an ugly way, visually, where you were, like, cheat.
00:01:52
Well, I mean, if everybody's gonna hit threes for the Lakers to start, you know, to start this game, what are we gonna get into here? Um, one of the things that this isn't plus minus is never the barometer by which you should gauge the success.
00:02:05
But Tyler hero does set in a Laker Sorry, an n b a finals record, breaking Kobe Bryant's record by going minus 35 in this one.
00:02:14
He didn't knock down some shots later in the game, but the real thing that has led me to was just looking overall at plus minus on the Miami Heat.
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And actually where the bigger ones that jumped out.
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And it was Iguodala.
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Because when you and I started talking about this, we thought, Well, he's a guy even older.
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He's been a guy that matches up with LeBron and takes on that assignment.
00:02:33
And you, you didn't You didn't see any of the successes that you thought Miami might have to make this a more difficult game.
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Were there anything that surprised.
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You know, we're gonna get to the unfortunate, relatively long list of injuries that Miami comes out of this with.
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What were the things that surprised you in terms of what you thought Miami could do that just didn't even seem to be on the table for them in this first game? The Duncan Robinson thing has to be number one for me, like the Tyler hero, Whatever.
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I mean, you know, they contested his looks, but he's a rookie in his first finals.
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And, like, I expect some nerves.
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Andi.
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I mean, he hit a couple of nice.
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He hit that nice little shot around that curl off the baseline 80.
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, so that was nice, But yeah, I think the Duncan Robinson thing is tricky.
00:03:17
They just they were ready for those handoff actions.
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And because of that, I don't know where the where the heat go from there, because that's a big part of their offense.
00:03:27
You know, he's the one that expands the floor the way he does so on Ben, you know there's injuries to that way, obviously, the way a little bit.
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But, you know, um, that that that was a big one.
00:03:39
for me where I was like, Oh, I don't know what this means, but it's not a good thing.
00:03:45
Yeah, And then, you know, a lot of the talk this morning around this game is being around, which is like, the easy thing to say, and they're even acknowledging it.
00:03:52
Most of them we go, you got to try to find a way toe, force it to be so if it means running double teams that LeBron who's incredible working out of double teams and find the shooter.
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But if you have to just rush him with pressure and Rush, Anthony dates with double teams and then live with the fact that yeah, okay, if Rondo is green, you know, if the quote others are going to knock down those shots and those plays, that's fine.
00:04:20
Were you surprised at all that? Maybe Sister didn't come out more aggressively in that kind of area? Or do you think that because pollster has obviously we know it was a great coach, and if you just kind of trying to test the waters on some things in Game one and then say, based on what we see in our sample size, we're gonna pivot and we'll make our adjustments now and then.
00:04:38
Maybe injuries do play a factor here, but I don't from a game plan standpoint, it really didn't matter who was getting hurt here.
00:04:44
They seem to be living with some of what LeBron and D we're going to get and just made it very easy.
00:04:49
Like a D had one of the easiest.
00:04:51
You know, it was just kind of Hey, watch me.
00:04:53
Watch me, Watch me go for 30 plus in this game there wasn't a a lot of resistance there.
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There wasn't a lot of different looks or opportunities for maybe the heat to surprise Miami.
00:05:04
Sorry, the Lakers on the defensive end.
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Yeah.
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No, I I agree.
00:05:09
I would double team A D because he's not as good of a passer and like, you know, at this point, he's seen double teams for enough years that he's gonna figure that out, But I would at least try it.
00:05:19
Uh, doesn't feel they ran a lot more man to man than I than I thought they would.
00:05:24
Um, so that was some having Anthony Davis just come up with the flank right where there's that whole in the zone is just, like, not even fair.
00:05:38
It's like, Okay, well, this possessions over like, because you could just make everything he's not missing from the mid range.
00:05:44
So, um, so I think my thing would just be to size up a little bit.
00:05:49
And that means you're gonna be playing Kelly Olynyk and Meyers Leonard, which they did in the regular season.
00:05:55
Um, where they this just like physical on ideas, A little bit of an edge, which feels weird because the heat are a tough team, But I I don't know.
00:06:12
I would throw him out there a little bit more, and I you know, Meyers, Leonard, say what you want.
00:06:18
He'll rebound and will shoot threes, and he's decent at it.
00:06:21
So I mean, look like you.
00:06:24
There are worse options out there for, like, sizing up because they at least stretch the Lakers centers.
00:06:31
You know, a little bit beyond the arc.
00:06:33
A little bit like or they put a smaller guy on Meyers Leonard, but ideally, he shoots over that guy.
00:06:38
I don't hate it.
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I actually think like that's the easy adjustment, and it's a decent one now.
00:06:44
I don't know if they can overcome the talent discrepancy because that's very clearly a problem.
00:06:49
But maybe they stumble into something like maybe they needed this game one to really shake things up and throw these stretch centers out there.
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That could detonate a little bit against the against the Lakers.
00:07:00
Because, I mean, you know, look, Nicole Yokich was raining threes in the last Siri's, and it was one of the things that kind of kept them in that Siri's.
00:07:08
So I don't know.
00:07:09
I'm trying to remain optimistic here, and I think that that's theon v iss.
00:07:13
But, um, adjustment that could really work because, you know, the shooting and Martin is a big dude.
00:07:19
Well, I think it's you say, like the the draw, that positive or negative right of going a little bit smaller and working with what you had in these playoffs, which, by the way, just to step it back to that Boston serious for a minute, you say about going man versus going zone like this is that thing of what looks good and is successful and what Spoelstra obviously probably knew coming into the finals is saying, Yeah, I'm not gonna go out there and run zone against the Lakers with LeBron because it's not gonna be something that they won't break down relatively quickly, as opposed to the Boston series.
00:07:48
It was like, If you can't answer it, then I don't need to adjust it, and that's and that's great for that serious.
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But now, in this one, obviously supposed to look at it and says, I don't know if that's even worth checking out.
00:07:59
When you talk about sizing up, I think you obviously give up a certain element of athleticism and maybe more natural scoring and on the ball.
00:08:07
But it's probably a pick him, you know, it's it's to choose your poison.
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Do you want to be a little bit your and maybe slow the game down a little bit more for yourself and keep yourself maybe closer in it? And I way could get into the injuries now because this is the other problem.
00:08:22
I don't know how much weight I could put on where this game ended up or what it was gonna look like.
00:08:27
But a soon as drag, it goes down with what ends up being, uh, Tauran.
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Plantar fasciitis with just is a complete side note, man like I know what I know exactly where that is on the foot, and I know that it gets sword and s o Okay.
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All right, girls, watch this.
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Matt Brooks, right.
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The 35 year old American male.
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Uh, it s so it runs when you look at your foot and you stretch, you flex your feet back and you feel that that that vein that runs all the way down, like basically from your big toe back to your heel, that's your plantar fascia.
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And what ends up happening is like it tightens and tightens over time.
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That's why you're always doing those stretches they talked about, like taking a tennis ball and rolling your foot over it so it keeps it loose and flexible.
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So once that tightens up like any muscle, eventually it's going to tear or snap when you're overextending it when you're over stretching it.
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So to put up, let's paint that picture for you.
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So drunk, it's just toward that thing.
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And I can't imagine how painful that was because I've gone to have, you know, massages done around that, and it is brutal when the thing is fine and they're just trying to make it feel better.
00:09:29
So anyway, she goes down with that in three animals on.
00:09:33
Then you also take a look and say that Jimmy Butler clearly gets beat up in this one like this.
00:09:38
Uh, arsons always get derailed at some point.
00:09:41
Guys, I just didn't know around my fashion.
00:09:44
Eso he goes down, he goes down with that injury.
00:09:48
You have butler getting beaten up, tweaks his own ankle like that's a brutal misstep there.
00:09:52
And then you talk about bam on the bio, right? He lands on his shoulder again.
00:09:55
It's a familiar one.
00:09:56
They say the X rays were negative, But as soon as you see that happening Game one, my initial, my immediate thought is all right.
00:10:04
You know, whatever I thought about this series when we talked last time, I said, Listen, to be great if they could get to a six game and maybe be thinking about pushing into a Game seven down 32 when you see even just nagging injuries, all these guys, we're probably gonna be okay.
00:10:18
They listen, even even drag.
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It is listed day to day with that.
00:10:21
But you know that you're a little nicked up like you need to be crisp and clean.
00:10:24
You need Anthony Davis to be a little nicked up.
00:10:27
You need LeBron James to be dealing with something.
00:10:29
Or even you saw Rondo tweet himself a little bit there.
00:10:32
And that one as well, Like little things like that start to help balance out the talent discrepancy here.
00:10:37
And instead, maybe your three most important players, possibly for Miami, are all sitting here going like, yeah, we're gonna be the wounded warrior, Not.
00:10:45
I'm like when you saw Jamal Murray, right? In the last series in the Western Conference finals, where you're like, this dude has just been battered for three Siris in order to get here.
00:10:52
I can't imagine what he looks like when he finally gets to leave this bubble.
00:10:56
Yeah, well, the one I'm worried about bam.
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Because if they lose bam, I just I like Do we watch this? Like, do we watch the Siri's? I mean, look small out there like it was like it was kind of weird.
00:11:13
This is the first.
00:11:14
I mean, look, you look just enormous and so vertical and just so freakishly athletic in that last series against the Celtics going against Isis and Enis, Kanter and all these guys.
00:11:26
And then he comes out there again.
00:11:28
Dwight didn't a B, and it's like, Oh, wow, like this isn't really more of a disadvantage than I even realized just within the first couple of minutes.
00:11:37
Well, and by the way, go back to go back to the Miami Boston, Siri's.
00:11:39
Whenever you saw him around Tatum, I had to say go.
00:11:43
But it was not as big as I think.
00:11:44
He looks small in this serious just look small in Syria.
00:11:46
So the fact that the band was at one point dwarfing players in the previous series and now looks like he, Leonard And then, you know, I am at the floor for sure.
00:12:07
And I think that makes more sense because getting Bannon it's on a d.
00:12:10
So you're gonna be playing.
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You're gonna be basically saying, Hey, Kelly, Olynyk I mean, that's up assignment for Kelly Olynyk Meyers.
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Leonard.
00:12:20
I weirdly feel better just because he's, like, a little bigger and just like that again got just a beast of a man from down there like like hey, like, wrestle with Dwight Howard.
00:12:28
Um, Kelly Olynyk. That's the big assignment.
00:12:31
Now he's got the little like he just got, like, the bony elbows thing that, like, you know, send one up in your Yeah, like he's got that So that part, I think, is on his side.
00:12:43
But that's what I would do is I would play Bamut before You don't have to worry about spacing too much because both those guys can shoot.
00:12:50
And I mean, I don't know what I If that doesn't work, then I'm truly concerned about this Siri's.
00:12:57
But I do feel like that's their second run.
00:13:00
Maybe see if Tyler hero looks a little a little calmer.
00:13:04
E would say It's probably theater, just mint there and then you just set the hope of the injuries.
00:13:09
But the shoulder thing is not good.
00:13:10
I mean, you don't want that for one of their two best players with Bam.
00:13:15
Are you pulling Crowder out of the starting lineup? If you're Miami, is that but it's the wrong thing to throw out there being like you did like again.
00:13:33
The problem is that some of the guys that you think are going to be valuable defensively and stuff that gets diminished against the Lakers and then you have not a great offensive that you go well, Crowder.
00:13:42
What? What is your real value here? Right.
00:13:45
And what you were in a prior syriza, of course, The pleasures, of course.
00:13:48
The regular season gets so diminished so quickly against a bigger lineup like this.
00:13:52
And I'm not saying that taking him out drastically improves Miami.
00:13:55
But if you want to tweak something, it feels like that's probably one of the first names.
00:13:59
You look too, and just say okay, maybe we try to utilize you in secondary minutes off the bench and create better matchups for you with the second unit of L.
00:14:07
A.
00:14:08
Yeah, I almost wonder because you have to imagine they also don't have Dragic like, Are you gonna be starting Kendrick Nunn? Or do you wanna go really, really? Like they now have to shake this up to you Go, Jimmy at the point.
00:14:16
Duncan Robinson.
00:14:18
I don't even I should know their starting lineup.
00:14:22
But you could go like because they want a clinic.
00:14:25
Bam Butler, Crowder, Dragons and Robinson.
00:14:28
Yep.
00:14:29
So? So maybe you go, Jimmy at the point.
00:14:32
Duncan Robinson at the two.
00:14:34
That feels weird.
00:14:35
But Jimmy, Jimmy basically runs point.
00:14:36
Um, then you go at the three Jae Crowder.
00:14:40
Kelly Olynyk or a guest? Bamut, the four Kelly Olynyk A The five.
00:14:44
Are you even do Meyers.
00:14:45
Leonard, I think been like having Jae crowder played.
00:14:51
The three is maybe not the worst thing.
00:14:53
You know, I actually I might like that line up a little bit better than what they put out there yesterday, because, I mean, this is the thing of the finals is like the team with more talent is the one that's gonna be able to play the way they play.
00:15:06
So for the heat, that means you have to adjust to them.
00:15:10
Now, Fortunately, I actually don't hate the counter that they're gonna throw out there, but they need toe really shake things up like I don't think that that was maybe to the degree that they lost with all the threes and stuff like that.
00:15:22
But, um, I think that they keep things small.
00:15:28
It just It just hasn't worked against this Lakers team.
00:15:30
The other thing I think that's really interesting is if you throw that many big bodies out there, it's a lot easier to lock down the paint just with pure body mass like you just have guys part and it's by nature gonna be packed a little bit more, so I don't think it's the worst thing.
00:15:50
That's an interesting because you think about saying, if we create a scenario where LeBron is less inclined to be driving consistently down the lane, if we keep him a little bit more on the outside, make it physical and difficult for the problem, for me is to It's like you say, make it difficult for Anthony Davis and this isn't obviously putting them in a hierarchy of who's better? He's one.
00:16:11
He's so good And then I put on top of which two like and I don't want.
00:16:15
I don't wanna scan past the fact that how good ideas, Because he's probably in spades in this game, and I've had conversations with people just in general, around basketball and saying watching him over the course of the season, he's with LeBron and saying, you know, is he really one of the top five? Yeah, he's one of time.
00:16:35
I said to you know, 23 positions offensively and defensively.
00:16:38
Yeah, that makes him one of the five best players in the NBA, and it's easy to forget when he had some into troubles and when he's lost in obscurity on the publican on the now pelicans Thio to really realize how good he is.
00:16:48
But the other problem to me is, is you can Maybe, Maybe so.
00:16:51
You're gonna get physical with him. You're gonna live with the results.
00:16:53
But again, it's the Dwight Howard effect, and I hate to.
00:16:57
I just I just did this with with my co host, Doug Nori on the Nets when we were just talking about the Finals.
00:17:02
I go.
00:17:03
There's nobody that I dislike more just based on seeing his face than Dwight Howard.
00:17:09
And there's nothing wrong with him, like he's just he's always had that kind of attitude.
00:17:13
He always had that bravado about him, and there's no better time for him to have that bravado and toe have that stupid grin on his beautiful white teeth that in these finals in this role on this team, and it disgusts me, and when you when you try to clog the lane and they go all right, why, why don't you go in there and be a little chippy and maybe make a couple of questionable plays.
00:17:31
You know, throw a couple arms around and use your big mass like that disrupts that rhythm that creates a little bit of chaos for Miami.
00:17:38
And then, on top of which, if you trend bigger and then you turn around, you say, Well, now what is our secondary unit look like now, right? All of a sudden, we get drastically almost smaller in our second unit because we try to go so big in our starting five.
00:17:51
So the swing of that and then you can easily say and then all of a sudden, javale McGee is gonna have a big game for you because he still has size.
00:17:58
And when you go back and look at the lineup and everyone knows they're big but even the stat lines looking at the starting line up when you go drag it.
00:18:05
And we know that he went out with that injury pretty quickly.
00:18:08
Only 15 minutes has six points.
00:18:10
But drag it and then Robinson, flip it over to the other side, where you're talking about KCP and Denny Green at the guard positions give you combine 24 points and they have length on, the deeper we don't, we don't.
00:18:22
We don't.
00:18:23
Green could be a really strong defensively, but the combination of life like if you're going to get 20 plus points combined from those guys, you're now you're you're gonna deeper hole in a bigger world of hurt because those are those are the guys Danny Green we talked about right? Begin the playoffs, we thought has just got a shot like I don't even know.
00:18:39
I don't even know if the Lakers should put him out there.
00:18:40
And now he becomes a valuable piece e no annoying.
00:18:46
I'm so over it.
00:18:47
I'm like, All right, dude, we get it.
00:18:49
You're just Onley good in one.
00:18:51
Siri's a year like and it's honestly, it's a reason to put him on a roster like get there.
00:18:56
This guy's sniping everything.
00:18:58
He's making shots from the corners.
00:19:00
He's making shots from the top of the key, like a foot or two behind.
00:19:04
I'm just like I don't even know what to do about this.
00:19:07
And like I was watching this Lakers game shirt, you're maybe not going to get the Markieff Morris threes, you know? And maybe maybe you have a bad KCP game, but he's just been really good in the playoffs.
00:19:17
He's been shooting, I believe, north of 40% and same with Danny Green.
00:19:22
I'm like I trust Danny Green In the finals, you might have one or two bad games.
00:19:25
But what, like he's done this every year? It just They came up with the exact right time.
00:19:31
You started seeing it in the last game of that nugget serious, and it was like, Oh, look, Danny Green made a key three.
00:19:37
And now he's like, coming through Just sniping it in the finals.
00:19:41
And I'm like I'm zero managed to turn it on exactly like no one's probably talking to him about any of the shots or not looking so good.
00:20:10
LeBron is not getting any easier.
00:20:11
So, like wait it out.
00:20:13
Don't know Danny Green.
00:20:15
Don't worry. It will be there when we need the most.
00:20:17
The other thing.
00:20:18
I guess that we can.
00:20:19
There's a couple of things if you want to take away from it and maybe leans in the direction of saying Miami should try to get a little bit bigger and that time to get a little bit more physical on the tear on the offensive end and maybe get to the line a little bit more because you do go back and you look at this and I always say it's an easy one to go, Thio.
00:20:34
But this is one of the tenets of winning basketball games and winning finals free throw shooting, getting to the line, getting guys in foul trouble.
00:20:41
You're talking about 25 to 27 for for the Lakers.
00:20:44
So they cleaned up there and just 11 of 14.
00:20:46
So you know that right there, is it just discrepancy in margin? And when you only have bam out of bio going for five and then Butler getting there five of five, that's the bulk of your free throw shooting.
00:20:56
So when you run through Crowder and leave, drag it out of it.
00:21:00
But even a Robinson, they don't get to the line.
00:21:02
It all on Lee Olynyk to your point.
00:21:05
Maybe bigger.
00:21:06
He got to the line twice in his 18 minutes of action, so they have to find a way to get there and I also look at man.
00:21:11
I I know what Robinson is, but when I go into the bench and I see how none performed in game one.
00:21:17
Obviously, he's not going to shoot eight of 11 with consistency, but I switch something up there, too.
00:21:23
If I'm if I'm Spoelstra, I just say, Robinson, if you're gonna knock down your triples, you can easily do that.
00:21:39
My option? You might as well test the waters on something different in the first five or six minutes of the game and then be able to pivot on it because there is some detriment around starting with him.
00:21:48
Hey, went, 03 I mean, the guy's not didn't even shoot in the game.
00:21:52
And an impact was relatively neutral, if not negative, as we know a lot of negative plus minuses in this game.
00:21:59
Yeah, I mean, the the one I'm really stuck on its Kendrick Nunn like, above anybody, Um, I just I don't know if I should buy it, because I have never been a giant Kendrick Nunn guy, even when he was playing well this year.
00:22:15
So I don't know.
00:22:17
But I mean, like, right now what? They could use his scoring and he can create his own shot.
00:22:22
But if that's what you're counter is, I just don't know what does that mean for Miami? You're gonna go down swinging with Kendrick Nunn e will die on this hill.
00:22:37
But, you know, the funny thing is to the other element about you talk about the superstars, right? And this is the discussion.
00:22:43
We can kind of get out of here on this off the way you form your roster.
00:22:46
And look, hey, this is a different way to do it.
00:22:48
You didn't need the two superstars on this Miami roster.
00:22:50
Then you get to the finals and you realize some of the deficiencies you're gonna have their.
00:22:54
But I was curious about Jimmy Butler and what it was gonna look like as you get behind in games And as you are down and you still do feel like, Hey, I I am the best player on this roster like I need to take this thing over.
00:23:07
And I wonder if they can keep going down the road of some of our parts and these pieces, or if you're gonna need whether it is none for a game or for restriction in game of creating his own shot and getting going or Jimmy Butler and living with you saw him late in this.
00:23:21
You know, like the fourth quarter when I was already for a minute run from Jimmy Butler.
00:23:41
Or maybe even hero.
00:23:42
Or maybe it is a catalytic.
00:23:44
You go.
00:23:45
Wow.
00:23:46
Guy got inside, enjoy a handful of fouls and change the dynamic of ah, Dwight Howard Having two or 3001st happened How that looks coming out in the third quarter.
00:23:53
Something like that has to occur for a player and even a very small sample size game number two to feel like you've shifted it to your point before, it's always the heat.
00:24:01
Reacting to the Lakers.
00:24:03
You have to at some point forced them to make force Vogel toe, make an adjustment to what you've done to them specifically in the 1st and 2nd quarters.
00:24:11
It can't be coming out of the break because by that point, I think you're probably trailing by 10 to 15 points and it's your you're behind the eight ball and you can't do anything that you want to do to dictate tempo.
00:24:21
Yeah, I mean, I think for them they have to approach this like they're playing with house money a little bit, and I that feels weird because during the NBA Finals.
00:24:28
Like you might never get back there again with this core.
00:24:30
But, um, I they have to try stuff like that.
00:24:34
That's what SPO has to dio suppose been a great adjuster, and I think that he'll do the right things, but, um but I mean, yeah, just approaches like house money.
00:24:43
You have a young team, you never know who's gonna pop, and and that's gonna have to be the best.
00:24:48
With what? You do this, to be honest with you, um, let me say one thing before we get out of here For everybody saying that this serious would have been better than with the Celtics in there.
00:24:57
I saw that take flying around.
00:24:59
No, it wouldn't have the Daniel ties should not be in an MBA finals like they couldn't be.
00:25:04
You know, they couldn't handle the the heat size.
00:25:08
Imagine this Lakers team going against them.
00:25:10
I don't know.
00:25:11
I just No, no, no.
00:25:13
You would have you talked about.
00:25:14
It's always so easy to do it right.
00:25:17
It's like it's like the nuggets get beat.
00:25:19
You go. Well, you should have been the Clippers.
00:25:21
You know, I I get it.
00:25:22
I understand what's there or whatever, and that's an easier argument to make because you have, you know, Kawhi Leonard and Paul George and that kind of stuff in the game. Likely to your point.
00:25:30
But when we talked about it in that Siri's between Miami and Boston, where you were like, This is the problem for Boston, you don't have a really authority authoritative take over the game for structures Center on this team.
00:25:39
Better big.
00:25:40
You wanna put in a slightly unathletic, not necessarily the biggest five in the world in entice on Boston in the finals.
00:25:48
They won't even bother putting a D on them again. They do.
00:25:51
They'll put Dwight stupid smile on a win, Honestly, White.
00:25:57
And it's fantastic.
00:25:58
Exactly, literally.
00:25:59
You would take him out of the game and then you be sitting there at Boston, Brad Stevens saying.
00:26:03
So where you going after you take a, As you said really arguably a bench five.
00:26:09
That's in your starting lineup.
00:26:11
Who you bringing in after him? And we talked about how Tatum look small in that serious.
00:26:16
How tiny would he have looked when you go? Hey, you know what I was thinking? LeBron, Why Don't you just mess with Tatum for a couple of runs here on Danny Green at him like Danny Green could even garden just blank alone.
00:26:26
Yeah.
00:26:27
Um, No.
00:26:28
And then the other thing is like, people see that and they see the heat in there, and they see the nuggets, and this turns into Oh, well, this is like a easy ring for LeBron or hasn't asked her and all this stuff starting to see that already.
00:26:38
And I'm just like, Look, man, like what happened this year was that nobody expected this team to be this good.
00:26:44
Nobody expected them to basically be working with the bargain. Did.
00:26:49
Because by the time they were looking for free agents, it was weeks after everybody had signed.
00:26:55
You know, Hawaii basically tried to Screwem over, and they were able to feel this really strange big team, and it just happened to work, and the entire league wasn't ready for it.
00:27:08
Nobody else plays this way.
00:27:09
Except for the Philadelphia 76 is that can't get out of their own way like nobody else was ready for this.
00:27:15
I thought the nuggets look big.
00:27:17
They looked small against them.
00:27:18
Um, like This is a situation now where? So look at next year too much.
00:27:25
But I am wondering, like if you're take this, this team on my shirt right here.
00:27:30
What if you're playing the Lakers? What lineup? Because I think the Lakers have a really good chance of going back to back if they do finish this out this year because of how weird and how unconventional they are.
00:27:40
And it depends how everybody retools.
00:27:42
But they're gonna get every Bradley back next year.
00:27:45
They are, and they could add a couple shooters.
00:27:47
You replace the Quinn cook spots like you have ways to improve this team, like just like these Nets or the Clippers or everybody else are working with the M L E and the veteran minimum contract.
00:27:57
They are going to be doing that, too, and there's a chance for them to improve this already Really strong core.
00:28:01
So you're looking at around the league and you're like wondering, Hey, our team's gonna start having to game plan for this.
00:28:08
Like, do you actually need four centers on your roster? Like do you need to try to figure out ways to make this work? Are you going to see.
00:28:16
I don't know Tristan Thompson playing power forward next year because, hey, he's playing Anthony Davis and the Lakers and they have him next to a conventional center.
00:28:25
It's really cool.
00:28:26
I mean, look, our whole perception of how basketball works has been warped by the Warriors, and I think that's why it's so many points this year.
00:28:34
I personally was completely out on the Lakers and I just didn't think it was gonna work.
00:28:38
And it was, Oh, there's not enough shooting and blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:28:41
But now you have this team.
00:28:43
If they come out of this, I'm willing to flip my perception.
00:28:46
I'm willing to be like, Hey, they're actually might be multiple ways to win.
00:28:50
Well, that's what's so exciting about it, right? That you can now the Golden State Warriors wave and how that impacted the N B A and how teams were built and what you had to be constructed to specifically beat them.
00:29:01
It's just great, like literally said, we're sitting on the precipice of a new wave.
00:29:04
Now it's specific toe.
00:29:05
Having LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
00:29:07
You can't have two random, larger players that their positions and make it happen.
00:29:11
But it does change how other teams are constructed, and Miami is proving that as well, that there's this other methodology.
00:29:17
So there is a new way that's occurring there.
00:29:19
And the last thing to your point about you wanna put up this ass trick around the Lakers and winning a championship.
00:29:24
Guess what, man? You make it to the like.
00:29:26
There's one champion.
00:29:27
This was classic Doug Noi line.
00:29:29
There is one championship every year.
00:29:31
Yep, that's the opportunity one team gets to win every year.
00:29:34
If you keep showing up there, that's an accomplishment in and of itself and its beyond an accomplishment.
00:29:40
LeBron James is showing up in what his 10 finals now in 17 seasons.
00:29:44
And they just so that started status.
00:29:46
This is just that was just 50th finals game that he's played in last night.
00:29:50
He's almost played a season worth off final.
00:30:01
Last thing I want after one game and finals is all of that nonsense around what would have been a better matchup, this team shooting there? Guess what? Miami beat beat everybody else in the East.
00:30:10
They went to the polls and the Lakers did it to for sure, and they would have beat the Clippers like I don't come on like they have disadvantage the whole time.
00:30:18
And they and they have the two best players on the floor.
00:30:20
And then what about the two best players against the Clippers? I mean, look, why was playing great, But he's not difference in speed with these guys.
00:30:27
The difference between where clearly Anthony Davis is.

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Original Audio for viewers

When toggled ON, viewers will hear both the broadcast audio and your microphone. When toggled OFF, your viewers will only hear the audio from your microphone.

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Original Audio for You

Toggle ON the original audio ONLY if you are wearing headphones, so your viewers don’t hear an echo from your speakers.

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