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00:00:00
Nick ish at night.
00:00:01
We're excited to bring this program along.
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Is gonna be every Wednesday.
00:00:04
New guest.
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Any Knicks fan open invites just a d M.
00:00:07
If you're trying to join us on the show, we're excited bringing our first ever guests to Nick ish at night.
00:00:12
We got zero host of the diehard next podcast.
00:00:15
What's going on, man? Yeah, I'm happy to be a man.
00:00:19
Happy to finally meet you guys and do some podcasting, man.
00:00:24
Yeah, I'm glad to have you on, you know, just we both Well, part of the nothing but next network.
00:00:28
So it's finally we all click up like this, You know, just do what we do and do what we love to talk hoops, you know? Yeah.
00:00:34
There's a queens thing tonight, man.
00:00:36
Queens? Another show for sure.
00:00:39
So we got the We got the Lakers and the Heat game going on in about an hour.
00:00:43
So, you know, on top of your head are off the bat here.
00:00:47
Who do you think's gonna win? Game one? Game one.
00:00:51
I want to say the Lakers, the Lakers, they're gonna try to take the hard like just like a typical LeBron teams man.
00:00:55
They like to, you know, run.
00:00:56
They what they want.
00:00:57
They're gonna try to take their heart right away with the alley oop dunks and, you know, back cuts and all kind of stuff.
00:01:02
You know, just the typical play where they go to the baseline and through the alley of towards the middle.
00:01:07
They're gonna be doing there at all all game, you know, to try to just take the energy away from them.
00:01:12
Sure for sure.
00:01:13
I feel like with LeBron vs Pat Riley thing like, I think today he was trying to downplay it like you talked about how much respect you guys, but like, how much respect he has for Pat Riley.
00:01:22
But we know LeBron at this point.
00:01:24
He just he's a petty dude and like when he puts out a message, it's for a reason, you know what I mean.
00:01:28
So he will big up Pat Riley, but I think he's gonna want to come out and just like like you said, just make a good first impression and just get out there.
00:01:36
I mean, like, do what he does like an 80 ft value toe. A d u e.
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It works for him he uses.
00:01:43
That's one of the things that that drives him forward.
00:01:45
And we we see in the past.
00:01:47
When she gets petty, LeBron gets gets ready and he goes, E, I think this game, we're going to see LeBron going back.
00:01:56
Thio you know his his roots and just going at the going at the heat right now.
00:02:01
Um, but the defense of the Heat and three point barrage they're gonna come in with, I'm excited to see that.
00:02:06
I think they're definitely the underdogs.
00:02:08
But anything about that Kobe possible narrative that's that's been that's been made If policemen Yeah.
00:02:22
Oh, for sure, for sure.
00:02:24
E Pat Riley Man, you can't forget about Pat Riley.
00:02:28
No, LeBron is salty on that side, but no Pat Riley with his suits.
00:02:31
I'm quite sure you don't 445 suits because, you know, before the game started, you know Joe Mafioso Pat like he's like he's about to do where they showed him in the game, and he's like, went upstairs wearing a mask.
00:02:44
I was like, How you make a masculine gangster e like That's crazy at that swag that aura and like yo credit to him like he pulled it off like he got of Heat back to the finals like what was it, six years? That's LeBron left.
00:02:58
And nobody expected that.
00:02:59
You know, like I know we call him Pat the Rat around New York, But you know, you got to give credit when it's due to a legend, you know? I mean, that's that's six straight decades that pat rallies in the N b.
00:03:09
A Finals.
00:03:10
That's crazy to me as a player, as a coach, as a president.
00:03:14
And now, you know, again as the president of the 20 twenties, six straight decades, that that's unprecedented.
00:03:20
Yeah, past the man, man.
00:03:21
And just this Miami.
00:03:22
The short amount of time he's been there, he rebuilt him like four times.
00:03:25
Man, that's that's That's amazing.
00:03:27
The old four teams are basically, um, all different.
00:03:30
You know, all different styles.
00:03:31
Ah, play all different kind of players, you know? So I mean, he's the man.
00:03:35
You can't really? You can't really, Um just got to tip your hat to those guys, even the Lakers to how many times they rebuild their franchise over the years.
00:03:41
And they both have two different ways of going about it too.
00:03:44
Which is Which is interesting for sure.
00:03:47
I mean, with Lakers, we know exactly they did.
00:03:49
They signed LeBron one summer on.
00:03:51
Then the next summer.
00:03:52
They just threw all the young kids out of there like, just toss them to the side, get a d.
00:03:57
And now you see where they're at, right? And then Miami.
00:03:59
It's like, remember, a couple years back, they gave up mad, bad contracts.
00:04:03
So, like, he's like role players like Dion waiters James Johnson, like, straight up.
00:04:07
Like some nick ****.
00:04:08
Basically, like, um, nic issue. Basically.
00:04:11
But it didn't just to clear it out eventually because, you know, perhaps as the man he collects assets, whatever gets guys in a certain way where he could package them later because, I mean, he did the same thing while I'm right.
00:04:22
Well, when he when he got shock, you know, they actually were playing pretty good.
00:04:26
They had, um, are older and those guys and he just scooped them up, tossed him to l.
00:04:29
A shot came over.
00:04:30
I don't know how.
00:04:31
I can't remember how they got Antoine Walker and Tom Walker and all those guys.
00:04:34
They got Gary Payden White chocolate players.
00:04:39
Next thing you know, they're in the finals and they went in.
00:04:41
The championship is crazy, man.
00:04:43
So it's like, That's like, the perfect comparisons.
00:04:45
Like seeing Iggy and the Finals again.
00:04:47
But in the heat, uniforms like, I swear to God, I forgot he was even on Miami before the bubble started.
00:04:53
All these guys get rings to man.
00:04:55
Well, are listening, J I was gonna get a ring.
00:04:57
Uh, yo, what's wildest? Dionne's going to get a ring regardless.
00:05:05
Apparently, if Miami once Yeah, Miami was.
00:05:07
They got the choice to give the on the ring.
00:05:09
I don't think that will do it, though.
00:05:12
Uh, well, you know, every when it comes down to we know Jimmy Butler is gonna be the person is gonna look at the most bam second.
00:05:20
Who do you think that they're player who really needs to step up for the Siri's against the Lakers when you think about it, But far from Miami, But it's gonna be for for them.
00:05:31
They like they like old school.
00:05:32
They always find the open man.
00:05:34
You know somebody, a couple people on Twitter.
00:05:36
He was talking about Twitter.
00:05:37
Ah, couple people have made the connection with with the 04 Detroit Pistons.
00:05:42
Because I'm there's not one player on the team that's like the Alfa, really It just it just like what? They play like seven guys, you know? That's typical Miami to they always go seven deep.
00:05:52
So they got, like, seven guy as all all Gangsters, they all just like Pat Riley.
00:05:56
A bunch of crazy maniacs, you know, led by, um, you know, our boy Jimmy Butler or whatever meant.
00:06:01
So you know, it's just gonna be a night tonight, things somebody somebody always gonna pop off every night.
00:06:05
So, yeah, what's what's interesting to me is like we saw kind of Jimmy take a back seat offensively last, like serious.
00:06:12
He was still like what he does on defense, you know? I mean, like, locking down just being that self leader, but, like, do you expect him to kind of step up in match LeBron like tip protect in the finals like in terms offense? Or I think he's just basically gonna do the same thing, because if if he starts to um to play hero ball, that that just kills the whole thing that they're doing over there man, so I just can't I can't wait, because I know.
00:06:35
So I I know.
00:06:36
What's the what's the guy's name? The Duncan guy.
00:06:38
I know he's gonna get off.
00:06:39
Yeah, Duncan Rob like Duncan Robinson, man, you know, he's good with the role that they have him in.
00:06:44
And then, uh, you know, Tyler heroes.
00:06:46
Another another killer, too.
00:06:47
They all got the same personality, even to the to the small forward sensors.
00:06:50
They all have that.
00:06:51
That is like it's like they like they took the cop test.
00:06:53
You know, when you when you when you when you meet a cop, they all got that that you know that that beady eye And you got that? No, no, no, not the cops.
00:07:01
You know, I got family that this police officers to what? They know they've got the beady eyes or whatever.
00:07:05
You know what I'm saying? So they got characteristics.
00:07:07
So, like, you know, they just always tend to get the same kind of players, so that I mean, I'm excited, man.
00:07:12
I can't I actually can't wait to get to watch the game, you know? Yeah, real quick.
00:07:16
Shout out to Sim Russell on the nothing but next family.
00:07:18
We see some watching us right now.
00:07:21
Shut up, man.
00:07:22
Uh, when? Yeah.
00:07:26
When it comes down to it, I think I think Tyler here it might be that guy who's going to step up at this point.
00:07:31
As if I had to choose anybody on that team as a third guy, potentially to step up.
00:07:35
He dropped 37 points two games ago.
00:07:38
That three point shot has got a hard, hard to defend right now.
00:07:41
And we got 20 years old, 20 years old.
00:07:43
He's not afraid to let his nuts drop, like in the big game.
00:07:46
E mean that z e here with my mouth just now.
00:07:57
You You said it before I could used to tell her on your mouth.
00:08:05
I'm all about the pause like guys after you for you gotta be careful, you know, But no.
00:08:12
But going back to your point about just like the kind of the two blueprints that both teams use.
00:08:18
Like if you had to pick, like if somebody just said, you know, we got option one option to for, like, how you want the Knicks to build.
00:08:25
Would you go to L a Lakers route like with all that they did to get to where they are right now in the finals.
00:08:29
Or would you kind of do, like pat there with the heat? You know, like hit on draft picks in the late lotto.
00:08:35
I mean, kind of make these crazy trades that are out there out the blue.
00:08:38
I mean, we just go after the big fish. Basically.
00:08:41
Well, that makes my mouth water.
00:08:43
You know, just, you know, I mean, besides the top euro thing, man, But I mean, like, for like, the last 15 years or so, starting with, um, with Scott Laden into Isaiah and all that stuff we've been trying to do with the Lakers are doing now, we've been trying to do that school time, You know what I'm saying? So we just always done the wrong thing, you know, Always made the the wrong move at the right time.
00:09:02
So I mean, we've been there, done that.
00:09:04
It would be nice to do that because we all have.
00:09:05
Right now we have a crossroads where we can where you can either do either one.
00:09:09
We can trade all of the assets and do the same thing.
00:09:13
Try to do that.
00:09:14
But, you know, we've had bad luck to this point.
00:09:16
And then now we were on the media has made a mockery of us, but especially with Durant, you know, this is not cool to be a nick anymore.
00:09:23
So we kind of need to finally just do what diehards been begging to do.
00:09:27
And that's exactly what Miami is doing.
00:09:29
You know, just some Gangsters, you know, with the same.
00:09:32
That's on the same page.
00:09:33
Guys that love the game and just, you know, we got Tom Thibodeau.
00:09:37
I mean, hindsight is 2020 but that's the perfect coach to start this, you know? Yeah, 100 100%.
00:09:45
Then when you look at some of the next Twitter has that are upset that we hired Tom Thibodeau so so early with Doc Rivers out as if we're guaranteed Doc Rivers on our team.
00:09:57
Like you said, Tom Thibodeau is perfect for what we're doing right now building a great team.
00:10:01
We have the front office organization.
00:10:03
They they're going to put up to a test November 18th during the NBA draft, and we'll see what they do.
00:10:07
But ****, we got we got a great coaching staff, you know.
00:10:15
So it's just a It's on paper, right paper before you know that's that PCs coming back, you know, Right.
00:10:23
But you know, it's at this point right in developing the players, and that's that's what Miami is doing.
00:10:30
And, you know, truth be told me, I don't think any of us really thought that Miami work title contenders a month ago.
00:10:36
You know, I don't I don't think so, But I think they were on that.
00:10:39
I would have said they're on that trajectory of being like an L A team and develop their young guys.
00:10:44
Then sign a monster free agent or do a monster trade.
00:10:47
But sometimes you know that that first methodology of how they built their team is really the way to go.
00:10:54
I think I agree with you there.
00:10:56
That's that's the way we do.
00:10:57
We can't keep looking at 2021 assume we're gonna get these free agents.
00:11:08
Grab your honest in 2021 we just We just like, got burnt.
00:11:11
We just got burnt, you know, like with the K.
00:11:14
D N Kyrie situation, like I'm out of that game, you know, if they come or If somebody comes, he comes.
00:11:18
But I'm not expecting it, you know.
00:11:20
Ah, lot of fans on Twitter, especially.
00:11:22
They're already talking about the point guard.
00:11:25
What's with some Dragic? They already talking about signing drag it this summer? I mean, just because they made the finals just a few months ago Like when that came up, it was like, Oh, hell, no, we don't want Draghi's didn't told a Senate Nadia in the finals.
00:11:37
Oh, wow.
00:11:38
Look, you could drag it is such a great player.
00:11:40
Well, we would need a guy like that to build our team.
00:11:42
You kind of get sick of that.
00:11:44
You really you really get single nonsense.
00:11:47
It's just like prisoners at the moment, you know? I mean, like, I saw people yesterday.
00:11:51
There was like a report that the Knicks didn't pursue Jimmy Butler or something like that.
00:11:54
I was just like, Are you the same people? That clown was for thinking we could get a free agent.
00:11:58
Now you climbing us for not pursuing a free agent like is can't be both, you know, like these people just don't know.
00:12:04
I have no idea.
00:12:05
Just sometimes you go on Twitter, I just shut that stuff like, shut it off like, immediately because, like why? Why suggestion? Revisionist history, Right? Deep.
00:12:16
Yeah.
00:12:17
The history run Zito When people Okay, I'm sorry.
00:12:22
No, just a revisionist.
00:12:23
History runs deep that za about it.
00:12:27
Yeah, well, I was just I was gonna say like, as soon as you walk into the room, people start saying stuff, you know, even now I just kind of just look at them and then they already know I got this podcast.
00:12:37
You know, everybody is always asking me for T shirts and stickers and stuff like that, but, I mean, like, they could be talking, walk out the room and just, you know, pretend like didn't even say anything, because you could you just get tired of it every every day.
00:12:49
You know, for as long as I've been a Knick fan, I've been a Knick fan a long time, and I've been dealing with that for for at least since high school Mess.
00:12:56
We were talking like, a few decades right now.
00:12:58
I'm kind of sick of it already.
00:13:00
Trust.
00:13:01
And Leon, that's all we could say right now, you know.
00:13:03
Used to be trusting Scott Perry like three years ago when we started our podcast.
00:13:07
I think, you know, we learned our lesson.
00:13:10
I'll be joke, like, get all these from front office people in.
00:13:18
Just let Scott give him one year extension, just like a leading into a closet.
00:13:24
Well, what do you guys think about Scott Perry? I thought I thought, um he set the table for what we're doing now because he was able to get, you know, Mitch Robinson and these these guys, you know, I'm saying so. He kind of set us.
00:13:34
And also the capture.
00:13:35
You can't really forget that he's the one that clear the cat for us to.
00:13:37
So you basically treat for where we're going to go.
00:13:41
You know, um I mean, I'm I mean, I just kind of made a joke, but I could say probably that I'm indifferent on Scott Perry because I remember what we retain them.
00:13:50
There was a lot of people just going crazy, like, how could we do this? Like, why would we do This is just typical.
00:13:54
Next.
00:13:55
Why don't you get him out of here? I was like it.
00:13:56
Scott Perry. Like Isaiah Thomas.
00:13:58
Scott Laden.
00:13:59
You know, he he did exactly.
00:14:01
He found his Mitch.
00:14:02
He found traer.
00:14:03
You know, for a season who was a pretty good fine for undrafted free Agent Knox is obviously to be determined.
00:14:08
But I feel like like your point, Scott Perry just made mad, solid booze and solid to us.
00:14:13
That's a major improvement, you know, like you concede that partnership.
00:14:20
He realized that, Yeah.
00:14:21
What I dio like, what did I get into? What? I mean when you get into work and he's got, like, a dumb ass coworker like ****.
00:14:27
My livelihood depends on this. Dude.
00:14:30
You speak? Yeah, I actually personally like Scott Perry.
00:14:35
I think for the job that he was hired to do, he did it, and they ain't doing stupid moves. They're ready.
00:14:42
Thio throw the whole table for who was best emails going after a couple months ago s So much has happened since I don't even remember.
00:14:49
They're about to give up everybody for yeah.
00:14:55
You want to tell Mary moved everybody the whole farm for D.
00:14:59
Angelo Russell and Scott Perry.
00:15:00
You know? You know, you know, nudge James Dolan a little and be like, Yo, look what Scott Perry is about to do.
00:15:06
And Scott Perry got fired for it.
00:15:08
Czar, the emails got fired for you.
00:15:11
Eso Scott Scott.
00:15:12
Very kind of, you know, stay the Nixon in in some way or form.
00:15:16
But as far as cast pays goes, we have as faras lottery.
00:15:19
As far as picks go, we have all of them and then some.
00:15:21
So and we have we got the best second round pick in the last, I don't know, five years. Maybe.
00:15:27
I can't think back who else was drafting the second round.
00:15:31
That's as good as Mitchell Robinson right now.
00:15:33
But arguably top three in the last five years.
00:15:37
Yoga was 2015.
00:15:39
Yeah, so fine.
00:15:40
You know, your top three, but one glass knicks had a defensive center.
00:15:47
I I camera last time. Marcus Camby.
00:15:49
Maybe, but do you want to play there? I thank Mom, bro. Get coffee.
00:15:54
And e, I think I think Scott for the job he was hired to do, he did.
00:16:03
I think he stays.
00:16:04
He does his job, he stays quiet and his drama free.
00:16:07
So if we can find a g m.
00:16:10
Sure.
00:16:11
But I wouldn't get mad at keeping them.
00:16:14
I want to just say that.
00:16:15
We're kind of We're talking about Scott Perry, but I feel like we're tiptoeing around like the elephant in the room.
00:16:21
Since we're talking about Scott Perry in the hole, that's got to go on his resume.
00:16:24
I don't know if you want to give credit to Steve Mills for that.
00:16:26
But hero like, what do you think of that? Like, I don't think we got your initial thoughts on the KP trade, Obviously, but like, Well, what did you feel back then? And how you feeling now? I guess we want to dig up old wounds.
00:16:38
Oh, my God.
00:16:39
Well, I just want to say like, in my mind, just just from how I know how I know Mills waas and whatever.
00:16:47
I could just imagine that creepy came in there with his brother and said, Yes, we're looking to do this.
00:16:52
Well, you get a good player Tokyo leave here, and we're not going to resign.
00:16:59
So, you know, the little spiders like, man, you know what? Get your You know what I'm saying? Like, you think you could talk to me about that? You hear that, Terry? You know, so that that's how e was like a drama.
00:17:11
A voice e Scott Perry had to be like, Oh, my God, What are you doing? So he just got the best deal that he couldn't clear the cap and got the draft picks.
00:17:22
So I believe that's how it went, man.
00:17:23
So I think Middle screwed it up.
00:17:25
And then Scott Perry had thio.
00:17:28
Oh, my God.
00:17:29
You know, like, you know, damage control.
00:17:31
You know, you're like, Oh, my God.
00:17:32
What are you doing? What are you doing? You know? So I think we came upon it, man.
00:17:36
You know, I think then we kind of needed to get rid of KP because just, um because he was on that, that that rule, he was kind of spoiled with, uh, Shumpert.
00:17:45
And the first time t.
00:17:47
J.
00:17:48
Was give me tomorrow with Junior was there, And you are from here.
00:17:51
It kind of with diva ish, you know, they push in out of town.
00:17:54
Really? You know, it's a lot, a lot of things like that.
00:17:56
They also Melo to he's the star and and, you know, everybody talks well about about Melo that that he's such a great teammate.
00:18:03
I mean, if you if you play if you watch him play, Um, he isolates everybody on the basketball court.
00:18:08
So I mean that that these are the type of mentors that he had, that there's some swelled up and just probably over just over flu.
00:18:15
Yeah, and you mentioned the off in the room.
00:18:18
But Scott Perry wasn't the one who caused KP to be as upset as he waas thistles.
00:18:23
The Phil Jackson era with Steve Mills as GM.
00:18:26
And, um, you know, once Bill was gone after all the ****ing fires he let up for the for the Knicks, you know, players.
00:18:33
This is a strong Bradley comparison and trying to trade him, even though, you know, in hindsight that trade would have put a Devin Booker would have worked out.
00:18:40
But that z a.
00:18:44
That's neither here nor there.
00:18:45
Phil Jackson a thing was like presented his injuries like he's like a 7 ft three like twigs that can't like.
00:18:52
That's like a committed relationship with injuries like no doubt, no doubt in that sense, he was right.
00:18:58
But his approach as a president was not right that those kind of things don't need to publicize or be smokescreen in or have you know, media leak out.
00:19:06
That's the thing I like about Leon Rose.
00:19:07
None of this **** is out in the air like that.
00:19:09
All they're very to themselves as they should be.
00:19:12
But, you know, for Scott Perry for the job he had to do, they that trade wasn't a bad trade.
00:19:17
Dennis Smith Jr just isn't performing as expected, but the picks they got the cap flexibility ability that they got the Tim Hardaway Jr wasn't even on Scott Perry, either.
00:19:27
That's 72 mile contract that Steve Mills, you know.
00:19:29
So I think for the job that Scott Perry I do with which was clean everything up, he did a good job.
00:19:35
That's why we're on a good track right now, at least for now.
00:19:38
Time being fair, fair, cool.
00:19:43
I mean era.
00:19:44
Let me ask you this.
00:19:45
So when you watch Miami play when you see like that player development, do you kind of share the same feeling I do and just get more mad about the Fizdale era? Because wasn't he straight from that coaching tree? He was gonna bring all that player development mumbo jumbo here and then, like he broke Dennis Smith jump shot Rose His idea to have Keith Smart be a shooting coach.
00:20:02
And, like, the lack of development we've seen for the last couple years, Like how you feel like I'm just mad watching Miami because it's, like, beautiful.
00:20:09
Like talking Robinson wasn't even draft, you know? And he's just like lighting it up.
00:20:13
But we got a lot of picks that could barely dribble the ball.
00:20:16
You know, You hit the nail right on the head, keep smart, you know? What is your God? Hey, you know what? I'm gonna be the coach of the Knicks.
00:20:25
You know what? You know what? What is cute smart doing right now? You know what I'm saying? Keeps when I was like, Oh, ****.
00:20:30
You want me to coach on the next with you? Oh, my God.
00:20:33
You know, he shaved his head and ****.
00:20:35
You know e o do it. Jump shot.
00:20:40
How did you rate marches and stuff? Trying to get number two like the first game of of of the first official game You? Because, you know, pre preseason, you're trying to figure guys out and stuff.
00:20:55
But I mean that that first game hindsight a swell to like um he started RJ and Trey ER in the first game.
00:21:02
So I mean, I play like, I think, maybe like the first seven minutes, and then he lost to me like he left.
00:21:07
Or maybe he had diarrhea or something, and he didn't come back again for the whole game.
00:21:11
And then, like, later on as the season goes by, you wondering like, why is Archie out there? Well, um, and there's no point guard like that they had on Wayne Ellington out there.
00:21:21
There are all these.
00:21:22
Um, well, then you're thinking, like, wait a second.
00:21:24
R.
00:21:25
J is the point guard. He thinks he thinks R.
00:21:27
J. Barrett is the point guard.
00:21:29
We had, like, four point guards on the roster.
00:21:31
We had, You know, regardless of what you think of individual player, you wanna talk about D S J.
00:21:37
Frank? You want to talk about what's the other dude? The one that we got rid of for for Jared Harper.
00:21:41
I keep forgetting, you know, you know, you could email.
00:21:44
You know, Kadeem Allen was actually what probably one of our most consistent players over the years.
00:21:50
But I mean, you know him and then also l for painting all these point guards and you and you chose to start Archie A and trailer to begin the season.
00:21:57
And then you forget about entree altogether.
00:21:59
I mean, like, what was What was he and and then, then, um, he's using this guy.
00:22:04
Uh, you know, what's what's on Bay Blade? Uh, I'm, like, hyped up right now, baby.
00:22:11
The guy that their friends around all the time Oh, Julius Randle! Julius Randle Man, he got primary stuff like that.
00:22:22
I mean, it was unbelievable.
00:22:24
He just did a drop of a coach.
00:22:26
Not I feel I feel I feel bad for him because well, then I got I don't feel bad because people still vouching for him.
00:22:33
I just don't get it.
00:22:34
You didn't see what he did as a coach.
00:22:35
I mean, I can't I just can't believe it, you know, this is I I knew that Nix bios, like was so obvious when, like, they would like ESPN.
00:22:45
All them wouldn't stop, like, big enough Fizdale after we fire him.
00:22:48
Even though, like Mike Miller is taking the same roster.
00:22:51
And actually has this look incompetent, you know? I mean, so that's when I I knew physical.
00:22:55
Got some friends in high places, bro.
00:22:56
Like and in the way Pat Riley and Spoelstra.
00:22:59
We're talking about him.
00:23:00
Before we hired him, I thought we was getting like a prodigy, bro.
00:23:03
Yeah, like we got the exact opposite.
00:23:04
That was probably most disappointed.
00:23:06
I ever been in a coach like higher and we've had plenty.
00:23:09
Obviously, you know, you have the high expectations and we we learned from this.
00:23:14
He's just doesn't to be a new assistant coach.
00:23:17
The guy who just just being Alice, right next to Paul Pierce about that desk e don't think he has coaching.
00:23:24
I mean, this guy keep the players calm.
00:23:26
Apparently sort of your friends you probably play fortnight with.
00:23:33
Yeah, I just point out that a coach from that came from Spoelstra and Pat Riley.
00:23:38
Tree Could could do so poorly.
00:23:40
And then Dennis Smith Jr.
00:23:41
You kept him on the court that first game for you know how remain the ministry, But ah, the Frank chats.
00:23:50
Chance started coming out, and it just that just that just ****ed up destitute for the rest of the season.
00:23:55
Honestly, I think that first game haunted him on do You know, he's a He's an emotional player, which isn't bad, but you know, when you feel like the fans are against you, makes you not wanna play, I'm sure I can't speak for, but I'm I'm sure that that was That was a big reason I was against him when he dropped at Perry Ellis commercial.
00:24:14
I'm, like, dude way dropping Perry Ellis commercials.
00:24:18
Are you serious? 00 my God.
00:24:22
Yeah.
00:24:23
I mean, at least you got the bag.
00:24:24
You know, he's I think he's still being paid by doling.
00:24:26
So you've got the coach in New York with a little bit, you know, Showed his life a good time For two years? I guess So. You know, props.
00:24:33
I give them respect.
00:24:34
Yeah, you know, all the oh, all the respect.
00:24:39
All respect you.
00:24:40
No, no, no.
00:24:42
No offense intended because those in the chat wife in the chat Let me see.
00:24:45
I don't think she's in a Yeah, she behind you creeping up right now, Let me check my track to see what you up to now.
00:24:53
Well, 11 point about Fizdale is that you know he was expecting to coach Durant and Kyrie and stuff like that.
00:25:00
So that's his element.
00:25:01
He's the guy.
00:25:03
That's like, um like, like all the coaches that used to coach on LeBron.
00:25:07
What's that goofy guy with the glasses? Oh, Mike Brown.
00:25:10
Yeah, Mr Potato.
00:25:12
Yeah.
00:25:13
Potato all the all these guys, they They're not really coaches.
00:25:15
They're just kind of like, Hey, guys, just pass the ball to LEBRON like, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you know what I'm saying? So that it was like, Come on, guys, you know, just pass the ball to Durant and, you know, you know, you can get a shot just past to carry, you know? Yeah, E.
00:25:35
And to be fair, physical.
00:25:36
Took that same recipe, gave handle.
00:25:38
He's like he saw Randall do them pull ups with the ****ing chains around his neck.
00:25:41
He was like, That's my LeBron James there, Ugo Rest is history giving the ball to get the **** out of the way.
00:25:49
Yeah, sure.
00:25:50
If the problem was he couldn't get on anybody else's way with the ball.
00:25:53
Like just spinning like a top in the traffic.
00:25:56
That's the problem we owe.
00:26:02
Uh, but he's still a good player, though.
00:26:06
That's true.
00:26:07
Yeah, It's just like misuse and like, a bad fit because, like like we personally love the designing and it just like afterwards it was like it was so obvious.
00:26:15
He was the best quote unquote cornerstones and they can't shoot.
00:26:20
You're gonna make this this free agent without a jumper, your main piece.
00:26:23
But also, you want to develop the two guys that can shoot, is gonna get ugly like offensively, you know? And then, you know, help that they've signed so many powerful It's too.
00:26:31
So e mean, Hopefully, like this season or this offseason, I feel like we take that plan that Steve Mills had, like, get vets and develop the youth.
00:26:39
So we actually execute like the none like the non dumb ass version of it.
00:26:43
You know, like E think the general manager or the front office aspect from last year kind of made sense.
00:26:54
If you look at the shooting percentages from last year, Randall's wasn't that bad from the three I once he was at least 36 37% and I think Bobby courses, actually 40% and they brought Wayne Ellington.
00:27:05
They brought a bunch of three point shooters.
00:27:06
It was It was really just a coaching that that they couldn't keep up with both.
00:27:10
Both with Dale and Miller just didn't know how to use Randall the right way.
00:27:14
And you hope that Thibodeau, with his coaching experience, which is a lot more than those two guys, well, wouldn't know how to use in the right way.
00:27:21
But at this point, they Randall on the team's just isn't a good unless he suddenly realizing how, you know, shoot a jumper.
00:27:28
I mean, right and, uh, bring up the ball anymore.
00:27:32
If tips can I get a team with Carlos Boozer who in, like, 60 games? I think you could take a team with Julius Randle until, like, eight seed, Maybe.
00:27:39
I mean, that's my hope, you know, like, just come off the bench, be that Super six, man.
00:27:42
You know? What do you think you're a Yeah, sure.
00:27:45
But I agree because because, I mean, he took a lot of Well, I mean, that boosting didn't have a lot of talent, but, you know, he put that mixed together and it was able to get them to function, you know, because they all the same kind of kind of guys you know the same.
00:27:56
You know, they all come from the same cloth.
00:27:58
So I mean, like, the problems with him and Minnesota is that those guys, they also were cut from the same cough, but they were cut from a terry club.
00:28:04
You know what I'm saying? So it didn't really match with Tom Thibodeau's, you know, That's why Jimmy Butler was going crazy.
00:28:18
Just even draw the question.
00:28:19
Like Like, what do we do now? Because I know, you know, we want to cap space and stuff, like so we're gonna have to renounce half the team.
00:28:25
But a lot of guys like Bobby porters and some of these other guys, um, you know, I actually actually have value and like it here, you know? I'm saying so what do we do? What do we do with that? Those type of players? Would you keep Portis e mean if I could, But, I mean, he makes 15 mil, so I mean, that's that's really going to kill the the cap.
00:28:45
Really? But, I mean, we're gonna have super cap, you know? Thio get like what? Like how? How much capital we have, like, is it 50 or I think so.
00:28:53
There's someone is, like 50 40. ****. I know.
00:28:56
In 2021 we got more cap, you know? So that's what I'm thinking.
00:28:59
If we keep, like Bobby on the 15 mil like it's over pay.
00:29:02
But, you know, he's back with tips.
00:29:03
I think tips coaching for a little bit.
00:29:05
Right? So is that connection with Fred Hoiberg? I think Fred Goldberg was this song first Coach.
00:29:10
Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right.
00:29:12
Because you got dropped in 2015., yeah.
00:29:14
Chicago Just let him go, man.
00:29:16
But he might have had some insight on it, though.
00:29:18
That's true.
00:29:19
Yeah, Jimmy probably told me all you should.
00:29:21
You should have been here with the other guy.
00:29:22
His Fred dude don't know. ****.
00:29:24
Oh, man.
00:29:27
Yeah.
00:29:28
Word was gonna be on our list.
00:29:30
I'll show this to be the head coach.
00:29:31
Man, that would have been a catastrophe.
00:29:33
You know, Thankfully, not I actually like, What do you think of the list of the coaches we did interview because there was some interesting names in there, you know, like some folks we didn't really hear of, like Jamal, Mostly, I think, you know, like and then you look into him like Okay, this dude got, like, a nice resume, you know? So, like, what do you think of that list? And, like, just a process to, like, get tips, You know, I think would have been good.
00:29:53
It would have been, um it would have been just just like any other place that would that we would get it would be, um, like, just a wait and see.
00:29:58
So the coach would be growing with the players and stuff like that.
00:30:01
And you would hope that, um that we can set the table.
00:30:05
And then when somebody like Doc Rivers where we should have waited for, we should have waited for Doc Rivers.
00:30:10
You know? You know, then he would have been somebody that we might have gotten, maybe, like down the road.
00:30:15
You know, that's just that's another you know, you know, dark mirror story or whatever.
00:30:19
You know, they alternate reality organization.
00:30:24
Losing organization waits for other teams to, like fire their coaches for them to start their search, you know? I mean, like, we had all this time, Like I thought, I think Mark Berman, New York Post.
00:30:33
He said our search was eight weeks long.
00:30:35
That's a pretty good amount of time, you know? And all the candidates.
00:30:38
Like it was like people just be talking about the Saturday mouse just cause it's Knicks.
00:30:41
They're like, Oh, well, whatever, you know, like, Oh, they rushed their coaching search.
00:30:44
Like, What are you talking about? Yeah, and the thing is that they're like, Yeah, because of CIA connections.
00:30:49
Tom Thibodeau was a lock eight weeks before that.
00:30:51
Anyway, it's like so, you know, like, that's why we got Leon Rose.
00:30:55
That's how we got world wide west for the connections to get one of most winning.
00:31:00
Yes, Coach of the last decade.
00:31:02
You know, he wants to know how many coaches have done that since 2000.
00:31:06
Not many very way got one of them right now.
00:31:08
They talk about the C a thing we walked.
00:31:10
We gotta watch finals.
00:31:11
Like that whole Lakers front office cuts all over it, you know, like they LeBron got there.
00:31:18
He basically said it yesterday or two days ago.
00:31:20
Is like, Yeah, I brought a d here for a reason.
00:31:22
Like you officially embraced.
00:31:23
He's a GM title.
00:31:24
I was like, Okay.
00:31:25
He used to be like slick with it before and now I was just like, yeah, I brought him here, Rob the Lincoln just, like, sign the papers.
00:31:33
But it's like, Yeah, my point is basically like agencies, agents like connections run everything in every business.
00:31:39
You know? It's like it's about time the Knicks actually used it to their advantage, you know, instead of like being taken advantage of, you know, because I think c a like drop on Yanni on us, like, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:31:49
But I think that was that year not to bring up more PTSD, but you know, Z man.
00:31:56
That's why every every rumor that that comes out every time a player is available Oh, the Knicks are rumored Thio to be, you know, involved in this thing here, Lou, you know, like the Knicks are always involved in something because we always were involved in it.
00:32:09
Because every agent out there, like Leon Rose was like, Let's call the Knicks, man.
00:32:13
Let's see what Steve Mills is gonna be.
00:32:14
Yeah, Steve, we gotta for you. Yeah, yeah.
00:32:17
Just give us all your traffics.
00:32:18
We'll give you, like, you know, exactly.
00:32:20
It's just like even with the fridge.
00:32:21
And this is like, Okay, we can't get this much money from this team.
00:32:24
Let's just say we got the bag from New York.
00:32:25
We couldn't have even spoken to these people.
00:32:27
But I feel like, and you just throw it out there are like, Yeah, we got a big offer waiting from the Knicks.
00:32:31
You know, it could be a free agent.
00:32:32
We had no connection to, like, what is what it is, You know? Now, hopefully that all changes for the best, you know, because CIA is basically the Knicks now, like, officially, you know, Not that there's anything wrong with that.
00:32:45
I'm with it.
00:32:46
I'm described that we're not gonna be the laughingstock anymore.
00:32:49
You know? I'm drinking.
00:32:51
There's no alcohol in here.
00:32:52
I just wanna let you know, You know, it's just just my special grew over there, but I'm, like, waiting patiently.
00:32:59
I I feel like like I feel like a ticking time bomb, because as soon as everything starts, starts getting together and we're starting to like and everyone could see the Oh, the Knicks are building something they owe.
00:33:11
I'm gonna go.
00:33:13
I'm gonna go off my I'm gonna go.
00:33:15
I'm gonna go ****ing crazy, man.
00:33:17
I'm gonna let everybody know Already took names.
00:33:19
I got screen shots.
00:33:20
A screenshot album? Yeah, a swear to God, I'm gonna be talking like, once we become good if and when Knock on wood, I'm gonna be talking **** to babies and toddlers to, like next a baby and goo goo gaga.
00:33:37
I was like, Yeah, exactly.
00:33:39
Everywhere that I go, I'm gonna just gonna walk up if I'm waiting on line at the bank or if I'm at work in the like my crew room or whatever.
00:33:46
I'm gonna walk in there and I'm gonna just stand up and I'm gonna just pull off my I mean, that's that's the thing these reporters and bloggers or writers that be like picking on the fans.
00:34:01
That's the thing.
00:34:02
I don't think they realized they like, they poking like they they poking the bear with a stick, basically, like when we do become good and we wake up, it's gonna be vengeance, you know? I mean, like we come I'm like, we all got receipts, Basically.
00:34:14
Like I'm gonna be in a Frank Isil is D M's 100%.
00:34:17
Uh, are you reading my mind.
00:34:20
Did you guys get attacked by Frank Isola yet? Not yet.
00:34:23
That's a bad of honor.
00:34:24
We ain't got yet.
00:34:25
I was going to try to keep that to myself, but apparently, ah, lot of people have been getting abused by Frank Isola.
00:34:30
He actually climbed in my **** asses.
00:34:32
Well, I'm like, Why are you bothering me Family? Ain't you like the beat writer? The Knicks? And you're gonna be on ESPN in, like, five minutes.
00:34:39
Why are you damming me? Oldest nonsense. Whatever, man.
00:34:42
So, like, whatever.
00:34:44
Yeah, I think Sim even said that he had a funny story.
00:34:47
I wanna keep himself.
00:34:48
But he was basically said, like, he had a running in the d m's.
00:34:51
And then I think it was a situation where he ended up like a media day on Frank.
00:34:56
I solo, like he's a keyboard warrior because apparently he was like, Why does the ghost like he didn't expect to see him in person and like, that's mad? Typical.
00:35:04
You know, like I I'm not surprised.
00:35:06
I solar he seemed like the type big **** talker behind the screen, like a little puppy in person that, you know, it is like Pucci just barking and ****.
00:35:16
I don't even know what the **** is barking at.
00:35:18
Like he'd be like this.
00:35:19
Slander doesn't even make sense, bro.
00:35:21
Like it be, the Knicks have nothing to do with the situation.
00:35:24
And then he'll probably like who put out a tweet that just like brings us into the situation, is like, Oh, if this is the Knicks exercise, he would happen.
00:35:32
How disgraceful.
00:35:33
Like, what are you talking about? Like he'd be making these timeline in his head.
00:35:36
Like these alternate realities.
00:35:38
It just puts it out there because he's so angry.
00:35:40
You name the top players in any game.
00:35:42
Be like also, players of the Knicks missed out on LeBron James.
00:35:46
Yeah, the Knicks missed out on him.
00:35:47
2010 2016.
00:35:49
All that **** a lot of teams is trash.
00:35:53
They don't like.
00:35:55
What's wrong with these girls? E a A soccer dad.
00:36:01
So maybe she tried taken soccer mom from him or whatever.
00:36:04
I don't know. Hey, Good.
00:36:07
E Don't wanna disrespect anybody.
00:36:10
You know, that's how you do it, I guess.
00:36:12
Right? You know, I mean, we'll keep it.
00:36:14
Keep it.
00:36:15
Really? You know, I saw it.
00:36:16
I mean, The thing is, if I saw it was respectful of fans.
00:36:19
You know, the people that actually kind of pay his salary, I wouldn't I wouldn't have Like, I wanna be throwing out these kind of jokes or whatever we way probably actually wouldn't, like, hate him this much.
00:36:28
We're not hate, but, like, you know, just clowning for what he is.
00:36:30
But on, like, obviously, we're gonna hold up in better against you and we're mopping up to man.
00:36:41
So it's not just gonna be sin by himself.
00:36:42
One day he's gonna come in, there's gonna be a room full of us, and he's gonna be like, sucker guy.
00:36:50
By the way, man, he's on that.
00:36:52
That's that's his sport.
00:36:53
So he doesn't even like basketball.
00:36:54
Don't even know how even gotten to the point where he's writing a sports writer for the Knicks.
00:36:58
Man, he's made so much money off it, too, for years about it for you.
00:37:03
Tell me about to this day.
00:37:05
I think he's still on around the horn.
00:37:07
That's like the Knicks expert for the New York sports expert.
00:37:10
I was like, bro, what do you Why? Yeah, like if we just talked about connection.
00:37:15
That's like a point right there.
00:37:16
Like you don't matter how good you are at your job.
00:37:18
If you got the connection, you get where you need to get, You know, like I'll give myself a little credit for that ****.
00:37:25
Yeah, that that around the horn thing, you know, when when they put them, he's always like this.
00:37:31
You know, I'm saying what everyone is talking.
00:37:32
He's like this because he lost already.
00:37:34
He never gets to the end, you know, because he's like, Wait, you know, have you got there? He got there off the sweat of our our backs, man.
00:37:42
Tears? Mm.
00:37:44
Yeah, That's the best part about these podcasts, cause we're the ones who get to call them out on their bull****.
00:37:49
Now, For years, they've been running free, talking all their ****, creating their own narratives.
00:37:53
But that's the best part about these guys out on their bull****.
00:38:04
Um, we're gonna start wrapping stuff sewed up of the first edition of the Naked Shot night.
00:38:09
Real quick.
00:38:10
Your for the finals.
00:38:12
Who do you think's gonna win and how many games altogether? I'm sure you got the Lakers, but how many games you think they're gonna take it, it might go forward.
00:38:20
It might be four, too, Lakers.
00:38:21
But, I mean, I don't want I don't want to say them enough that that I'm rooting for Miami to do anything.
00:38:28
But, you know, I would really love them.
00:38:30
Thio like, um, you know, draw blood, you know? But I just think the Lakers they just have the two best players is just too much for for Miami Thio.
00:38:39
But, you know, I could be wrong, man.
00:38:40
You know that.
00:38:41
That's that's why I'm a Knicks fan, because I really don't give a **** about either.
00:38:43
Either team, you know, it's all about the Knicks, but I can't wait to watch, actually, yeah, games. I'm sorry.
00:38:49
About 15 minutes.
00:38:50
Eso before we close that you're working, all of our listeners follow you out.
00:38:59
Twitter is different because, you know, they only allows Thio the mother character so is dire.
00:39:05
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Knick-ish @ Nite w. DieHardKnicks Talking Lakers-Heat and the Progression of the NY Knicks

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Efrain Ruiz @Diehardknicks

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Nick ish at night.
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We're excited to bring this program along.
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Is gonna be every Wednesday.
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New guest.
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Any Knicks fan open invites just a d M.
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If you're trying to join us on the show, we're excited bringing our first ever guests to Nick ish at night.
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We got zero host of the diehard next podcast.
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What's going on, man? Yeah, I'm happy to be a man.
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Happy to finally meet you guys and do some podcasting, man.
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Yeah, I'm glad to have you on, you know, just we both Well, part of the nothing but next network.
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So it's finally we all click up like this, You know, just do what we do and do what we love to talk hoops, you know? Yeah.
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There's a queens thing tonight, man.
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Queens? Another show for sure.
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So we got the We got the Lakers and the Heat game going on in about an hour.
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So, you know, on top of your head are off the bat here.
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Who do you think's gonna win? Game one? Game one.
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I want to say the Lakers, the Lakers, they're gonna try to take the hard like just like a typical LeBron teams man.
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They like to, you know, run.
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They what they want.
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They're gonna try to take their heart right away with the alley oop dunks and, you know, back cuts and all kind of stuff.
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You know, just the typical play where they go to the baseline and through the alley of towards the middle.
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They're gonna be doing there at all all game, you know, to try to just take the energy away from them.
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Sure for sure.
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I feel like with LeBron vs Pat Riley thing like, I think today he was trying to downplay it like you talked about how much respect you guys, but like, how much respect he has for Pat Riley.
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But we know LeBron at this point.
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He just he's a petty dude and like when he puts out a message, it's for a reason, you know what I mean.
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So he will big up Pat Riley, but I think he's gonna want to come out and just like like you said, just make a good first impression and just get out there.
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I mean, like, do what he does like an 80 ft value toe. A d u e.
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It works for him he uses.
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That's one of the things that that drives him forward.
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And we we see in the past.
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When she gets petty, LeBron gets gets ready and he goes, E, I think this game, we're going to see LeBron going back.
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Thio you know his his roots and just going at the going at the heat right now.
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Um, but the defense of the Heat and three point barrage they're gonna come in with, I'm excited to see that.
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I think they're definitely the underdogs.
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But anything about that Kobe possible narrative that's that's been that's been made If policemen Yeah.
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Oh, for sure, for sure.
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E Pat Riley Man, you can't forget about Pat Riley.
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No, LeBron is salty on that side, but no Pat Riley with his suits.
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I'm quite sure you don't 445 suits because, you know, before the game started, you know Joe Mafioso Pat like he's like he's about to do where they showed him in the game, and he's like, went upstairs wearing a mask.
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I was like, How you make a masculine gangster e like That's crazy at that swag that aura and like yo credit to him like he pulled it off like he got of Heat back to the finals like what was it, six years? That's LeBron left.
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And nobody expected that.
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You know, like I know we call him Pat the Rat around New York, But you know, you got to give credit when it's due to a legend, you know? I mean, that's that's six straight decades that pat rallies in the N b.
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A Finals.
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That's crazy to me as a player, as a coach, as a president.
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And now, you know, again as the president of the 20 twenties, six straight decades, that that's unprecedented.
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Yeah, past the man, man.
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And just this Miami.
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The short amount of time he's been there, he rebuilt him like four times.
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Man, that's that's That's amazing.
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The old four teams are basically, um, all different.
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You know, all different styles.
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Ah, play all different kind of players, you know? So I mean, he's the man.
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You can't really? You can't really, Um just got to tip your hat to those guys, even the Lakers to how many times they rebuild their franchise over the years.
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And they both have two different ways of going about it too.
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Which is Which is interesting for sure.
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I mean, with Lakers, we know exactly they did.
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They signed LeBron one summer on.
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Then the next summer.
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They just threw all the young kids out of there like, just toss them to the side, get a d.
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And now you see where they're at, right? And then Miami.
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It's like, remember, a couple years back, they gave up mad, bad contracts.
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So, like, he's like role players like Dion waiters James Johnson, like, straight up.
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Like some nick ****.
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Basically, like, um, nic issue. Basically.
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But it didn't just to clear it out eventually because, you know, perhaps as the man he collects assets, whatever gets guys in a certain way where he could package them later because, I mean, he did the same thing while I'm right.
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Well, when he when he got shock, you know, they actually were playing pretty good.
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They had, um, are older and those guys and he just scooped them up, tossed him to l.
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A shot came over.
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I don't know how.
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I can't remember how they got Antoine Walker and Tom Walker and all those guys.
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They got Gary Payden White chocolate players.
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Next thing you know, they're in the finals and they went in.
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The championship is crazy, man.
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So it's like, That's like, the perfect comparisons.
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Like seeing Iggy and the Finals again.
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But in the heat, uniforms like, I swear to God, I forgot he was even on Miami before the bubble started.
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All these guys get rings to man.
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Well, are listening, J I was gonna get a ring.
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Uh, yo, what's wildest? Dionne's going to get a ring regardless.
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Apparently, if Miami once Yeah, Miami was.
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They got the choice to give the on the ring.
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I don't think that will do it, though.
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Uh, well, you know, every when it comes down to we know Jimmy Butler is gonna be the person is gonna look at the most bam second.
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Who do you think that they're player who really needs to step up for the Siri's against the Lakers when you think about it, But far from Miami, But it's gonna be for for them.
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They like they like old school.
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They always find the open man.
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You know somebody, a couple people on Twitter.
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He was talking about Twitter.
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Ah, couple people have made the connection with with the 04 Detroit Pistons.
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Because I'm there's not one player on the team that's like the Alfa, really It just it just like what? They play like seven guys, you know? That's typical Miami to they always go seven deep.
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So they got, like, seven guy as all all Gangsters, they all just like Pat Riley.
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A bunch of crazy maniacs, you know, led by, um, you know, our boy Jimmy Butler or whatever meant.
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So you know, it's just gonna be a night tonight, things somebody somebody always gonna pop off every night.
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So, yeah, what's what's interesting to me is like we saw kind of Jimmy take a back seat offensively last, like serious.
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He was still like what he does on defense, you know? I mean, like, locking down just being that self leader, but, like, do you expect him to kind of step up in match LeBron like tip protect in the finals like in terms offense? Or I think he's just basically gonna do the same thing, because if if he starts to um to play hero ball, that that just kills the whole thing that they're doing over there man, so I just can't I can't wait, because I know.
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So I I know.
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What's the what's the guy's name? The Duncan guy.
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I know he's gonna get off.
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Yeah, Duncan Rob like Duncan Robinson, man, you know, he's good with the role that they have him in.
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And then, uh, you know, Tyler heroes.
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Another another killer, too.
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They all got the same personality, even to the to the small forward sensors.
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They all have that.
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That is like it's like they like they took the cop test.
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You know, when you when you when you when you meet a cop, they all got that that you know that that beady eye And you got that? No, no, no, not the cops.
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You know, I got family that this police officers to what? They know they've got the beady eyes or whatever.
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You know what I'm saying? So they got characteristics.
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So, like, you know, they just always tend to get the same kind of players, so that I mean, I'm excited, man.
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I can't I actually can't wait to get to watch the game, you know? Yeah, real quick.
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Shout out to Sim Russell on the nothing but next family.
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We see some watching us right now.
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Shut up, man.
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Uh, when? Yeah.
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When it comes down to it, I think I think Tyler here it might be that guy who's going to step up at this point.
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As if I had to choose anybody on that team as a third guy, potentially to step up.
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He dropped 37 points two games ago.
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That three point shot has got a hard, hard to defend right now.
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And we got 20 years old, 20 years old.
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He's not afraid to let his nuts drop, like in the big game.
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E mean that z e here with my mouth just now.
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You You said it before I could used to tell her on your mouth.
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I'm all about the pause like guys after you for you gotta be careful, you know, But no.
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But going back to your point about just like the kind of the two blueprints that both teams use.
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Like if you had to pick, like if somebody just said, you know, we got option one option to for, like, how you want the Knicks to build.
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Would you go to L a Lakers route like with all that they did to get to where they are right now in the finals.
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Or would you kind of do, like pat there with the heat? You know, like hit on draft picks in the late lotto.
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I mean, kind of make these crazy trades that are out there out the blue.
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I mean, we just go after the big fish. Basically.
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Well, that makes my mouth water.
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You know, just, you know, I mean, besides the top euro thing, man, But I mean, like, for like, the last 15 years or so, starting with, um, with Scott Laden into Isaiah and all that stuff we've been trying to do with the Lakers are doing now, we've been trying to do that school time, You know what I'm saying? So we just always done the wrong thing, you know, Always made the the wrong move at the right time.
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So I mean, we've been there, done that.
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It would be nice to do that because we all have.
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Right now we have a crossroads where we can where you can either do either one.
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We can trade all of the assets and do the same thing.
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Try to do that.
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But, you know, we've had bad luck to this point.
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And then now we were on the media has made a mockery of us, but especially with Durant, you know, this is not cool to be a nick anymore.
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So we kind of need to finally just do what diehards been begging to do.
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And that's exactly what Miami is doing.
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You know, just some Gangsters, you know, with the same.
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That's on the same page.
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Guys that love the game and just, you know, we got Tom Thibodeau.
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I mean, hindsight is 2020 but that's the perfect coach to start this, you know? Yeah, 100 100%.
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Then when you look at some of the next Twitter has that are upset that we hired Tom Thibodeau so so early with Doc Rivers out as if we're guaranteed Doc Rivers on our team.
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Like you said, Tom Thibodeau is perfect for what we're doing right now building a great team.
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We have the front office organization.
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They they're going to put up to a test November 18th during the NBA draft, and we'll see what they do.
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But ****, we got we got a great coaching staff, you know.
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So it's just a It's on paper, right paper before you know that's that PCs coming back, you know, Right.
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But you know, it's at this point right in developing the players, and that's that's what Miami is doing.
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And, you know, truth be told me, I don't think any of us really thought that Miami work title contenders a month ago.
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You know, I don't I don't think so, But I think they were on that.
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I would have said they're on that trajectory of being like an L A team and develop their young guys.
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Then sign a monster free agent or do a monster trade.
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But sometimes you know that that first methodology of how they built their team is really the way to go.
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I think I agree with you there.
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That's that's the way we do.
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We can't keep looking at 2021 assume we're gonna get these free agents.
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Grab your honest in 2021 we just We just like, got burnt.
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We just got burnt, you know, like with the K.
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D N Kyrie situation, like I'm out of that game, you know, if they come or If somebody comes, he comes.
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But I'm not expecting it, you know.
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Ah, lot of fans on Twitter, especially.
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They're already talking about the point guard.
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What's with some Dragic? They already talking about signing drag it this summer? I mean, just because they made the finals just a few months ago Like when that came up, it was like, Oh, hell, no, we don't want Draghi's didn't told a Senate Nadia in the finals.
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Oh, wow.
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Look, you could drag it is such a great player.
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Well, we would need a guy like that to build our team.
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You kind of get sick of that.
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You really you really get single nonsense.
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It's just like prisoners at the moment, you know? I mean, like, I saw people yesterday.
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There was like a report that the Knicks didn't pursue Jimmy Butler or something like that.
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I was just like, Are you the same people? That clown was for thinking we could get a free agent.
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Now you climbing us for not pursuing a free agent like is can't be both, you know, like these people just don't know.
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I have no idea.
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Just sometimes you go on Twitter, I just shut that stuff like, shut it off like, immediately because, like why? Why suggestion? Revisionist history, Right? Deep.
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Yeah.
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The history run Zito When people Okay, I'm sorry.
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No, just a revisionist.
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History runs deep that za about it.
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Yeah, well, I was just I was gonna say like, as soon as you walk into the room, people start saying stuff, you know, even now I just kind of just look at them and then they already know I got this podcast.
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You know, everybody is always asking me for T shirts and stickers and stuff like that, but, I mean, like, they could be talking, walk out the room and just, you know, pretend like didn't even say anything, because you could you just get tired of it every every day.
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You know, for as long as I've been a Knick fan, I've been a Knick fan a long time, and I've been dealing with that for for at least since high school Mess.
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We were talking like, a few decades right now.
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I'm kind of sick of it already.
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Trust.
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And Leon, that's all we could say right now, you know.
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Used to be trusting Scott Perry like three years ago when we started our podcast.
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I think, you know, we learned our lesson.
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I'll be joke, like, get all these from front office people in.
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Just let Scott give him one year extension, just like a leading into a closet.
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Well, what do you guys think about Scott Perry? I thought I thought, um he set the table for what we're doing now because he was able to get, you know, Mitch Robinson and these these guys, you know, I'm saying so. He kind of set us.
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And also the capture.
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You can't really forget that he's the one that clear the cat for us to.
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So you basically treat for where we're going to go.
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You know, um I mean, I'm I mean, I just kind of made a joke, but I could say probably that I'm indifferent on Scott Perry because I remember what we retain them.
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There was a lot of people just going crazy, like, how could we do this? Like, why would we do This is just typical.
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Next.
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Why don't you get him out of here? I was like it.
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Scott Perry. Like Isaiah Thomas.
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Scott Laden.
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You know, he he did exactly.
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He found his Mitch.
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He found traer.
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You know, for a season who was a pretty good fine for undrafted free Agent Knox is obviously to be determined.
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But I feel like like your point, Scott Perry just made mad, solid booze and solid to us.
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That's a major improvement, you know, like you concede that partnership.
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He realized that, Yeah.
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What I dio like, what did I get into? What? I mean when you get into work and he's got, like, a dumb ass coworker like ****.
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My livelihood depends on this. Dude.
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You speak? Yeah, I actually personally like Scott Perry.
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I think for the job that he was hired to do, he did it, and they ain't doing stupid moves. They're ready.
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Thio throw the whole table for who was best emails going after a couple months ago s So much has happened since I don't even remember.
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They're about to give up everybody for yeah.
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You want to tell Mary moved everybody the whole farm for D.
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Angelo Russell and Scott Perry.
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You know? You know, you know, nudge James Dolan a little and be like, Yo, look what Scott Perry is about to do.
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And Scott Perry got fired for it.
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Czar, the emails got fired for you.
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Eso Scott Scott.
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Very kind of, you know, stay the Nixon in in some way or form.
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But as far as cast pays goes, we have as faras lottery.
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As far as picks go, we have all of them and then some.
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So and we have we got the best second round pick in the last, I don't know, five years. Maybe.
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I can't think back who else was drafting the second round.
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That's as good as Mitchell Robinson right now.
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But arguably top three in the last five years.
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Yoga was 2015.
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Yeah, so fine.
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You know, your top three, but one glass knicks had a defensive center.
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I I camera last time. Marcus Camby.
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Maybe, but do you want to play there? I thank Mom, bro. Get coffee.
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And e, I think I think Scott for the job he was hired to do, he did.
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I think he stays.
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He does his job, he stays quiet and his drama free.
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So if we can find a g m.
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Sure.
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But I wouldn't get mad at keeping them.
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I want to just say that.
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We're kind of We're talking about Scott Perry, but I feel like we're tiptoeing around like the elephant in the room.
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Since we're talking about Scott Perry in the hole, that's got to go on his resume.
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I don't know if you want to give credit to Steve Mills for that.
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But hero like, what do you think of that? Like, I don't think we got your initial thoughts on the KP trade, Obviously, but like, Well, what did you feel back then? And how you feeling now? I guess we want to dig up old wounds.
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Oh, my God.
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Well, I just want to say like, in my mind, just just from how I know how I know Mills waas and whatever.
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I could just imagine that creepy came in there with his brother and said, Yes, we're looking to do this.
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Well, you get a good player Tokyo leave here, and we're not going to resign.
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So, you know, the little spiders like, man, you know what? Get your You know what I'm saying? Like, you think you could talk to me about that? You hear that, Terry? You know, so that that's how e was like a drama.
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A voice e Scott Perry had to be like, Oh, my God, What are you doing? So he just got the best deal that he couldn't clear the cap and got the draft picks.
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So I believe that's how it went, man.
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So I think Middle screwed it up.
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And then Scott Perry had thio.
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Oh, my God.
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You know, like, you know, damage control.
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You know, you're like, Oh, my God.
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What are you doing? What are you doing? You know? So I think we came upon it, man.
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You know, I think then we kind of needed to get rid of KP because just, um because he was on that, that that rule, he was kind of spoiled with, uh, Shumpert.
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And the first time t.
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J.
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Was give me tomorrow with Junior was there, And you are from here.
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It kind of with diva ish, you know, they push in out of town.
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Really? You know, it's a lot, a lot of things like that.
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They also Melo to he's the star and and, you know, everybody talks well about about Melo that that he's such a great teammate.
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I mean, if you if you play if you watch him play, Um, he isolates everybody on the basketball court.
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So I mean that that these are the type of mentors that he had, that there's some swelled up and just probably over just over flu.
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Yeah, and you mentioned the off in the room.
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But Scott Perry wasn't the one who caused KP to be as upset as he waas thistles.
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The Phil Jackson era with Steve Mills as GM.
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And, um, you know, once Bill was gone after all the ****ing fires he let up for the for the Knicks, you know, players.
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This is a strong Bradley comparison and trying to trade him, even though, you know, in hindsight that trade would have put a Devin Booker would have worked out.
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But that z a.
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That's neither here nor there.
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Phil Jackson a thing was like presented his injuries like he's like a 7 ft three like twigs that can't like.
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That's like a committed relationship with injuries like no doubt, no doubt in that sense, he was right.
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But his approach as a president was not right that those kind of things don't need to publicize or be smokescreen in or have you know, media leak out.
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That's the thing I like about Leon Rose.
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None of this **** is out in the air like that.
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All they're very to themselves as they should be.
00:19:12
But, you know, for Scott Perry for the job he had to do, they that trade wasn't a bad trade.
00:19:17
Dennis Smith Jr just isn't performing as expected, but the picks they got the cap flexibility ability that they got the Tim Hardaway Jr wasn't even on Scott Perry, either.
00:19:27
That's 72 mile contract that Steve Mills, you know.
00:19:29
So I think for the job that Scott Perry I do with which was clean everything up, he did a good job.
00:19:35
That's why we're on a good track right now, at least for now.
00:19:38
Time being fair, fair, cool.
00:19:43
I mean era.
00:19:44
Let me ask you this.
00:19:45
So when you watch Miami play when you see like that player development, do you kind of share the same feeling I do and just get more mad about the Fizdale era? Because wasn't he straight from that coaching tree? He was gonna bring all that player development mumbo jumbo here and then, like he broke Dennis Smith jump shot Rose His idea to have Keith Smart be a shooting coach.
00:20:02
And, like, the lack of development we've seen for the last couple years, Like how you feel like I'm just mad watching Miami because it's, like, beautiful.
00:20:09
Like talking Robinson wasn't even draft, you know? And he's just like lighting it up.
00:20:13
But we got a lot of picks that could barely dribble the ball.
00:20:16
You know, You hit the nail right on the head, keep smart, you know? What is your God? Hey, you know what? I'm gonna be the coach of the Knicks.
00:20:25
You know what? You know what? What is cute smart doing right now? You know what I'm saying? Keeps when I was like, Oh, ****.
00:20:30
You want me to coach on the next with you? Oh, my God.
00:20:33
You know, he shaved his head and ****.
00:20:35
You know e o do it. Jump shot.
00:20:40
How did you rate marches and stuff? Trying to get number two like the first game of of of the first official game You? Because, you know, pre preseason, you're trying to figure guys out and stuff.
00:20:55
But I mean that that first game hindsight a swell to like um he started RJ and Trey ER in the first game.
00:21:02
So I mean, I play like, I think, maybe like the first seven minutes, and then he lost to me like he left.
00:21:07
Or maybe he had diarrhea or something, and he didn't come back again for the whole game.
00:21:11
And then, like, later on as the season goes by, you wondering like, why is Archie out there? Well, um, and there's no point guard like that they had on Wayne Ellington out there.
00:21:21
There are all these.
00:21:22
Um, well, then you're thinking, like, wait a second.
00:21:24
R.
00:21:25
J is the point guard. He thinks he thinks R.
00:21:27
J. Barrett is the point guard.
00:21:29
We had, like, four point guards on the roster.
00:21:31
We had, You know, regardless of what you think of individual player, you wanna talk about D S J.
00:21:37
Frank? You want to talk about what's the other dude? The one that we got rid of for for Jared Harper.
00:21:41
I keep forgetting, you know, you know, you could email.
00:21:44
You know, Kadeem Allen was actually what probably one of our most consistent players over the years.
00:21:50
But I mean, you know him and then also l for painting all these point guards and you and you chose to start Archie A and trailer to begin the season.
00:21:57
And then you forget about entree altogether.
00:21:59
I mean, like, what was What was he and and then, then, um, he's using this guy.
00:22:04
Uh, you know, what's what's on Bay Blade? Uh, I'm, like, hyped up right now, baby.
00:22:11
The guy that their friends around all the time Oh, Julius Randle! Julius Randle Man, he got primary stuff like that.
00:22:22
I mean, it was unbelievable.
00:22:24
He just did a drop of a coach.
00:22:26
Not I feel I feel I feel bad for him because well, then I got I don't feel bad because people still vouching for him.
00:22:33
I just don't get it.
00:22:34
You didn't see what he did as a coach.
00:22:35
I mean, I can't I just can't believe it, you know, this is I I knew that Nix bios, like was so obvious when, like, they would like ESPN.
00:22:45
All them wouldn't stop, like, big enough Fizdale after we fire him.
00:22:48
Even though, like Mike Miller is taking the same roster.
00:22:51
And actually has this look incompetent, you know? I mean, so that's when I I knew physical.
00:22:55
Got some friends in high places, bro.
00:22:56
Like and in the way Pat Riley and Spoelstra.
00:22:59
We're talking about him.
00:23:00
Before we hired him, I thought we was getting like a prodigy, bro.
00:23:03
Yeah, like we got the exact opposite.
00:23:04
That was probably most disappointed.
00:23:06
I ever been in a coach like higher and we've had plenty.
00:23:09
Obviously, you know, you have the high expectations and we we learned from this.
00:23:14
He's just doesn't to be a new assistant coach.
00:23:17
The guy who just just being Alice, right next to Paul Pierce about that desk e don't think he has coaching.
00:23:24
I mean, this guy keep the players calm.
00:23:26
Apparently sort of your friends you probably play fortnight with.
00:23:33
Yeah, I just point out that a coach from that came from Spoelstra and Pat Riley.
00:23:38
Tree Could could do so poorly.
00:23:40
And then Dennis Smith Jr.
00:23:41
You kept him on the court that first game for you know how remain the ministry, But ah, the Frank chats.
00:23:50
Chance started coming out, and it just that just that just ****ed up destitute for the rest of the season.
00:23:55
Honestly, I think that first game haunted him on do You know, he's a He's an emotional player, which isn't bad, but you know, when you feel like the fans are against you, makes you not wanna play, I'm sure I can't speak for, but I'm I'm sure that that was That was a big reason I was against him when he dropped at Perry Ellis commercial.
00:24:14
I'm, like, dude way dropping Perry Ellis commercials.
00:24:18
Are you serious? 00 my God.
00:24:22
Yeah.
00:24:23
I mean, at least you got the bag.
00:24:24
You know, he's I think he's still being paid by doling.
00:24:26
So you've got the coach in New York with a little bit, you know, Showed his life a good time For two years? I guess So. You know, props.
00:24:33
I give them respect.
00:24:34
Yeah, you know, all the oh, all the respect.
00:24:39
All respect you.
00:24:40
No, no, no.
00:24:42
No offense intended because those in the chat wife in the chat Let me see.
00:24:45
I don't think she's in a Yeah, she behind you creeping up right now, Let me check my track to see what you up to now.
00:24:53
Well, 11 point about Fizdale is that you know he was expecting to coach Durant and Kyrie and stuff like that.
00:25:00
So that's his element.
00:25:01
He's the guy.
00:25:03
That's like, um like, like all the coaches that used to coach on LeBron.
00:25:07
What's that goofy guy with the glasses? Oh, Mike Brown.
00:25:10
Yeah, Mr Potato.
00:25:12
Yeah.
00:25:13
Potato all the all these guys, they They're not really coaches.
00:25:15
They're just kind of like, Hey, guys, just pass the ball to LEBRON like, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you know what I'm saying? So that it was like, Come on, guys, you know, just pass the ball to Durant and, you know, you know, you can get a shot just past to carry, you know? Yeah, E.
00:25:35
And to be fair, physical.
00:25:36
Took that same recipe, gave handle.
00:25:38
He's like he saw Randall do them pull ups with the ****ing chains around his neck.
00:25:41
He was like, That's my LeBron James there, Ugo Rest is history giving the ball to get the **** out of the way.
00:25:49
Yeah, sure.
00:25:50
If the problem was he couldn't get on anybody else's way with the ball.
00:25:53
Like just spinning like a top in the traffic.
00:25:56
That's the problem we owe.
00:26:02
Uh, but he's still a good player, though.
00:26:06
That's true.
00:26:07
Yeah, It's just like misuse and like, a bad fit because, like like we personally love the designing and it just like afterwards it was like it was so obvious.
00:26:15
He was the best quote unquote cornerstones and they can't shoot.
00:26:20
You're gonna make this this free agent without a jumper, your main piece.
00:26:23
But also, you want to develop the two guys that can shoot, is gonna get ugly like offensively, you know? And then, you know, help that they've signed so many powerful It's too.
00:26:31
So e mean, Hopefully, like this season or this offseason, I feel like we take that plan that Steve Mills had, like, get vets and develop the youth.
00:26:39
So we actually execute like the none like the non dumb ass version of it.
00:26:43
You know, like E think the general manager or the front office aspect from last year kind of made sense.
00:26:54
If you look at the shooting percentages from last year, Randall's wasn't that bad from the three I once he was at least 36 37% and I think Bobby courses, actually 40% and they brought Wayne Ellington.
00:27:05
They brought a bunch of three point shooters.
00:27:06
It was It was really just a coaching that that they couldn't keep up with both.
00:27:10
Both with Dale and Miller just didn't know how to use Randall the right way.
00:27:14
And you hope that Thibodeau, with his coaching experience, which is a lot more than those two guys, well, wouldn't know how to use in the right way.
00:27:21
But at this point, they Randall on the team's just isn't a good unless he suddenly realizing how, you know, shoot a jumper.
00:27:28
I mean, right and, uh, bring up the ball anymore.
00:27:32
If tips can I get a team with Carlos Boozer who in, like, 60 games? I think you could take a team with Julius Randle until, like, eight seed, Maybe.
00:27:39
I mean, that's my hope, you know, like, just come off the bench, be that Super six, man.
00:27:42
You know? What do you think you're a Yeah, sure.
00:27:45
But I agree because because, I mean, he took a lot of Well, I mean, that boosting didn't have a lot of talent, but, you know, he put that mixed together and it was able to get them to function, you know, because they all the same kind of kind of guys you know the same.
00:27:56
You know, they all come from the same cloth.
00:27:58
So I mean, like, the problems with him and Minnesota is that those guys, they also were cut from the same cough, but they were cut from a terry club.
00:28:04
You know what I'm saying? So it didn't really match with Tom Thibodeau's, you know, That's why Jimmy Butler was going crazy.
00:28:18
Just even draw the question.
00:28:19
Like Like, what do we do now? Because I know, you know, we want to cap space and stuff, like so we're gonna have to renounce half the team.
00:28:25
But a lot of guys like Bobby porters and some of these other guys, um, you know, I actually actually have value and like it here, you know? I'm saying so what do we do? What do we do with that? Those type of players? Would you keep Portis e mean if I could, But, I mean, he makes 15 mil, so I mean, that's that's really going to kill the the cap.
00:28:45
Really? But, I mean, we're gonna have super cap, you know? Thio get like what? Like how? How much capital we have, like, is it 50 or I think so.
00:28:53
There's someone is, like 50 40. ****. I know.
00:28:56
In 2021 we got more cap, you know? So that's what I'm thinking.
00:28:59
If we keep, like Bobby on the 15 mil like it's over pay.
00:29:02
But, you know, he's back with tips.
00:29:03
I think tips coaching for a little bit.
00:29:05
Right? So is that connection with Fred Hoiberg? I think Fred Goldberg was this song first Coach.
00:29:10
Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right.
00:29:12
Because you got dropped in 2015., yeah.
00:29:14
Chicago Just let him go, man.
00:29:16
But he might have had some insight on it, though.
00:29:18
That's true.
00:29:19
Yeah, Jimmy probably told me all you should.
00:29:21
You should have been here with the other guy.
00:29:22
His Fred dude don't know. ****.
00:29:24
Oh, man.
00:29:27
Yeah.
00:29:28
Word was gonna be on our list.
00:29:30
I'll show this to be the head coach.
00:29:31
Man, that would have been a catastrophe.
00:29:33
You know, Thankfully, not I actually like, What do you think of the list of the coaches we did interview because there was some interesting names in there, you know, like some folks we didn't really hear of, like Jamal, Mostly, I think, you know, like and then you look into him like Okay, this dude got, like, a nice resume, you know? So, like, what do you think of that list? And, like, just a process to, like, get tips, You know, I think would have been good.
00:29:53
It would have been, um it would have been just just like any other place that would that we would get it would be, um, like, just a wait and see.
00:29:58
So the coach would be growing with the players and stuff like that.
00:30:01
And you would hope that, um that we can set the table.
00:30:05
And then when somebody like Doc Rivers where we should have waited for, we should have waited for Doc Rivers.
00:30:10
You know? You know, then he would have been somebody that we might have gotten, maybe, like down the road.
00:30:15
You know, that's just that's another you know, you know, dark mirror story or whatever.
00:30:19
You know, they alternate reality organization.
00:30:24
Losing organization waits for other teams to, like fire their coaches for them to start their search, you know? I mean, like, we had all this time, Like I thought, I think Mark Berman, New York Post.
00:30:33
He said our search was eight weeks long.
00:30:35
That's a pretty good amount of time, you know? And all the candidates.
00:30:38
Like it was like people just be talking about the Saturday mouse just cause it's Knicks.
00:30:41
They're like, Oh, well, whatever, you know, like, Oh, they rushed their coaching search.
00:30:44
Like, What are you talking about? Yeah, and the thing is that they're like, Yeah, because of CIA connections.
00:30:49
Tom Thibodeau was a lock eight weeks before that.
00:30:51
Anyway, it's like so, you know, like, that's why we got Leon Rose.
00:30:55
That's how we got world wide west for the connections to get one of most winning.
00:31:00
Yes, Coach of the last decade.
00:31:02
You know, he wants to know how many coaches have done that since 2000.
00:31:06
Not many very way got one of them right now.
00:31:08
They talk about the C a thing we walked.
00:31:10
We gotta watch finals.
00:31:11
Like that whole Lakers front office cuts all over it, you know, like they LeBron got there.
00:31:18
He basically said it yesterday or two days ago.
00:31:20
Is like, Yeah, I brought a d here for a reason.
00:31:22
Like you officially embraced.
00:31:23
He's a GM title.
00:31:24
I was like, Okay.
00:31:25
He used to be like slick with it before and now I was just like, yeah, I brought him here, Rob the Lincoln just, like, sign the papers.
00:31:33
But it's like, Yeah, my point is basically like agencies, agents like connections run everything in every business.
00:31:39
You know? It's like it's about time the Knicks actually used it to their advantage, you know, instead of like being taken advantage of, you know, because I think c a like drop on Yanni on us, like, correct me if I'm wrong.
00:31:49
But I think that was that year not to bring up more PTSD, but you know, Z man.
00:31:56
That's why every every rumor that that comes out every time a player is available Oh, the Knicks are rumored Thio to be, you know, involved in this thing here, Lou, you know, like the Knicks are always involved in something because we always were involved in it.
00:32:09
Because every agent out there, like Leon Rose was like, Let's call the Knicks, man.
00:32:13
Let's see what Steve Mills is gonna be.
00:32:14
Yeah, Steve, we gotta for you. Yeah, yeah.
00:32:17
Just give us all your traffics.
00:32:18
We'll give you, like, you know, exactly.
00:32:20
It's just like even with the fridge.
00:32:21
And this is like, Okay, we can't get this much money from this team.
00:32:24
Let's just say we got the bag from New York.
00:32:25
We couldn't have even spoken to these people.
00:32:27
But I feel like, and you just throw it out there are like, Yeah, we got a big offer waiting from the Knicks.
00:32:31
You know, it could be a free agent.
00:32:32
We had no connection to, like, what is what it is, You know? Now, hopefully that all changes for the best, you know, because CIA is basically the Knicks now, like, officially, you know, Not that there's anything wrong with that.
00:32:45
I'm with it.
00:32:46
I'm described that we're not gonna be the laughingstock anymore.
00:32:49
You know? I'm drinking.
00:32:51
There's no alcohol in here.
00:32:52
I just wanna let you know, You know, it's just just my special grew over there, but I'm, like, waiting patiently.
00:32:59
I I feel like like I feel like a ticking time bomb, because as soon as everything starts, starts getting together and we're starting to like and everyone could see the Oh, the Knicks are building something they owe.
00:33:11
I'm gonna go.
00:33:13
I'm gonna go off my I'm gonna go.
00:33:15
I'm gonna go ****ing crazy, man.
00:33:17
I'm gonna let everybody know Already took names.
00:33:19
I got screen shots.
00:33:20
A screenshot album? Yeah, a swear to God, I'm gonna be talking like, once we become good if and when Knock on wood, I'm gonna be talking **** to babies and toddlers to, like next a baby and goo goo gaga.
00:33:37
I was like, Yeah, exactly.
00:33:39
Everywhere that I go, I'm gonna just gonna walk up if I'm waiting on line at the bank or if I'm at work in the like my crew room or whatever.
00:33:46
I'm gonna walk in there and I'm gonna just stand up and I'm gonna just pull off my I mean, that's that's the thing these reporters and bloggers or writers that be like picking on the fans.
00:34:01
That's the thing.
00:34:02
I don't think they realized they like, they poking like they they poking the bear with a stick, basically, like when we do become good and we wake up, it's gonna be vengeance, you know? I mean, like we come I'm like, we all got receipts, Basically.
00:34:14
Like I'm gonna be in a Frank Isil is D M's 100%.
00:34:17
Uh, are you reading my mind.
00:34:20
Did you guys get attacked by Frank Isola yet? Not yet.
00:34:23
That's a bad of honor.
00:34:24
We ain't got yet.
00:34:25
I was going to try to keep that to myself, but apparently, ah, lot of people have been getting abused by Frank Isola.
00:34:30
He actually climbed in my **** asses.
00:34:32
Well, I'm like, Why are you bothering me Family? Ain't you like the beat writer? The Knicks? And you're gonna be on ESPN in, like, five minutes.
00:34:39
Why are you damming me? Oldest nonsense. Whatever, man.
00:34:42
So, like, whatever.
00:34:44
Yeah, I think Sim even said that he had a funny story.
00:34:47
I wanna keep himself.
00:34:48
But he was basically said, like, he had a running in the d m's.
00:34:51
And then I think it was a situation where he ended up like a media day on Frank.
00:34:56
I solo, like he's a keyboard warrior because apparently he was like, Why does the ghost like he didn't expect to see him in person and like, that's mad? Typical.
00:35:04
You know, like I I'm not surprised.
00:35:06
I solar he seemed like the type big **** talker behind the screen, like a little puppy in person that, you know, it is like Pucci just barking and ****.
00:35:16
I don't even know what the **** is barking at.
00:35:18
Like he'd be like this.
00:35:19
Slander doesn't even make sense, bro.
00:35:21
Like it be, the Knicks have nothing to do with the situation.
00:35:24
And then he'll probably like who put out a tweet that just like brings us into the situation, is like, Oh, if this is the Knicks exercise, he would happen.
00:35:32
How disgraceful.
00:35:33
Like, what are you talking about? Like he'd be making these timeline in his head.
00:35:36
Like these alternate realities.
00:35:38
It just puts it out there because he's so angry.
00:35:40
You name the top players in any game.
00:35:42
Be like also, players of the Knicks missed out on LeBron James.
00:35:46
Yeah, the Knicks missed out on him.
00:35:47
2010 2016.
00:35:49
All that **** a lot of teams is trash.
00:35:53
They don't like.
00:35:55
What's wrong with these girls? E a A soccer dad.
00:36:01
So maybe she tried taken soccer mom from him or whatever.
00:36:04
I don't know. Hey, Good.
00:36:07
E Don't wanna disrespect anybody.
00:36:10
You know, that's how you do it, I guess.
00:36:12
Right? You know, I mean, we'll keep it.
00:36:14
Keep it.
00:36:15
Really? You know, I saw it.
00:36:16
I mean, The thing is, if I saw it was respectful of fans.
00:36:19
You know, the people that actually kind of pay his salary, I wouldn't I wouldn't have Like, I wanna be throwing out these kind of jokes or whatever we way probably actually wouldn't, like, hate him this much.
00:36:28
We're not hate, but, like, you know, just clowning for what he is.
00:36:30
But on, like, obviously, we're gonna hold up in better against you and we're mopping up to man.
00:36:41
So it's not just gonna be sin by himself.
00:36:42
One day he's gonna come in, there's gonna be a room full of us, and he's gonna be like, sucker guy.
00:36:50
By the way, man, he's on that.
00:36:52
That's that's his sport.
00:36:53
So he doesn't even like basketball.
00:36:54
Don't even know how even gotten to the point where he's writing a sports writer for the Knicks.
00:36:58
Man, he's made so much money off it, too, for years about it for you.
00:37:03
Tell me about to this day.
00:37:05
I think he's still on around the horn.
00:37:07
That's like the Knicks expert for the New York sports expert.
00:37:10
I was like, bro, what do you Why? Yeah, like if we just talked about connection.
00:37:15
That's like a point right there.
00:37:16
Like you don't matter how good you are at your job.
00:37:18
If you got the connection, you get where you need to get, You know, like I'll give myself a little credit for that ****.
00:37:25
Yeah, that that around the horn thing, you know, when when they put them, he's always like this.
00:37:31
You know, I'm saying what everyone is talking.
00:37:32
He's like this because he lost already.
00:37:34
He never gets to the end, you know, because he's like, Wait, you know, have you got there? He got there off the sweat of our our backs, man.
00:37:42
Tears? Mm.
00:37:44
Yeah, That's the best part about these podcasts, cause we're the ones who get to call them out on their bull****.
00:37:49
Now, For years, they've been running free, talking all their ****, creating their own narratives.
00:37:53
But that's the best part about these guys out on their bull****.
00:38:04
Um, we're gonna start wrapping stuff sewed up of the first edition of the Naked Shot night.
00:38:09
Real quick.
00:38:10
Your for the finals.
00:38:12
Who do you think's gonna win and how many games altogether? I'm sure you got the Lakers, but how many games you think they're gonna take it, it might go forward.
00:38:20
It might be four, too, Lakers.
00:38:21
But, I mean, I don't want I don't want to say them enough that that I'm rooting for Miami to do anything.
00:38:28
But, you know, I would really love them.
00:38:30
Thio like, um, you know, draw blood, you know? But I just think the Lakers they just have the two best players is just too much for for Miami Thio.
00:38:39
But, you know, I could be wrong, man.
00:38:40
You know that.
00:38:41
That's that's why I'm a Knicks fan, because I really don't give a **** about either.
00:38:43
Either team, you know, it's all about the Knicks, but I can't wait to watch, actually, yeah, games. I'm sorry.
00:38:49
About 15 minutes.
00:38:50
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00:39:05
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00:39:07
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00:39:16
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00:39:19
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00:39:21
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