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00:00:00
C.
00:00:01
J James back with another episode this episode We're gonna be covering the NBA Finals here with my guys.
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My brothers.
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Man, we got T J. Luke.
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Uh, yeah, yes, yes, sir.
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My brothers man spent a long time get on the podcast, I think.
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Sean, we was on the podcast, I think last year.
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Um, yeah, that's when we were talking about Derrick Rose when I told him that he should come.
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Sixth man.
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Uh huh.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So So, yeah, we're gonna be covering.
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We're gonna be covering this episode.
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We're gonna be talking about the MBA finals.
00:00:43
Got the Lakers and the heat should be a great matchup.
00:00:47
Um, but first off guard, cover some a couple of topics.
00:00:53
Let's talk about the big news of Doc Rivers getting fired.
00:00:57
Uh, TJ, what's your what's your thoughts on that? After the you know, the Clippers collapse, Being up 31 against the nuggets and fold them, man and seven.
00:01:06
Um, that's kind of a big one for Doc Rivers.
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Uh, I feel like he could have stayed another year.
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It wasn't necessarily his fault.
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Um, yeah, in the sense of players didn't short.
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You can't really blame the coach.
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If players don't show up, the coach could only do but so much.
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You could give rotation here and there.
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But, I mean, the guys didn't show up, so I really shot bad within the last 23 games in the Siri's p.
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Jesus PG was just Yeah, he was just non existent throughout the whole Siri's ***, even **** near the whole playoff, he was non existent.
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Eso it's just like co.
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I carried them all the way until he was gassed out and what I'm saying and feel like Doc Rivers did what he could, but they just didn't have enough firepower.
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Thio withstand what they were going through.
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So, um, as far as the Clippers letting him go out, no, that's a 50 50 for me.
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Um, I didn't really see who they picked up yet.
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I heard there was looking at Tyrone New, but who knows? Got Sam Cassell, who was also on that on that bench with Doc.
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I mean, in my opinion, on that one, Jason Kidd.
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It's got the shock.
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It's not a shock that Doc was let go.
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It isn't his fault again, like like like like today, said you know, he said, you know the players name or what? And in my my opinion, we should have no threat that, you know, that's a bunch of, uh, what's the word on? There's a bunch of players that's on that team.
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Like, you know, you can't rely on Hawaii and Paul George every single game.
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You can't you have a point guard.
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You know Pat Bradley good on defense.
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That's great.
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But he's not all star caliber, right? He's not gonna give you the same amount of point tonight in the night out.
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Um right.
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What? Harold, you know, great, Great.
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Six minute.
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But when it comes down to a real big you know what can you honestly, dope? You know, again, You know, you gotta show in and show out at two in the playoffs.
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Open up? No.
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So you know, as far as that goes, Doc Rivers getting like So I think there's a better opportunity for him and in teams that, you know, that worked with the Doc Rivers system compared toa, you know, just staying on the Clippers where it's always the same system.
00:03:50
Rely on your two all stars and that's it.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it was time.
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I think it was definitely time to let him go.
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Uh, he's been there for seven years.
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He has something that he had.
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He had a bad break in the first, uh, the first couple of years, But Chris, Paul lob city.
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You know, so much hype around that team and everybody thought they were gonna You know, that was a great team, though, because remember, you have DeAndre Jordan at that center.
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You have Blake at the floor, you know? Yeah.
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You had Johnson at one point.
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Yeah, they had some solid pieces, but they just never could, um, but yeah.
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I mean, that injuries, Blake Blake could never stay healthy.
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And Chris Paul got hurt.
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Well, yeah, now that I think about it for a long as rivers been coaching that the Clippers were having Doc Rivers and Chris Paul.
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I mean, we're having Chris Paul and and and Blake Griffin.
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Sorry.
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Um, DeAndre Jordan.
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Jamal Crawford.
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He's had quite a few pieces within the team that he's had and he hasn't produced.
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Yeah, but you have to also remember, that's the West that we're talking about, regardless, regardless, when you when you when you when you Exactly what I was about to say.
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When you look at when you look at what they were doing, they would look at this top prospects coming out of the West.
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So for them to not succeed year after year after year, and you being the head coach coming from winning chips in Boston now you can't produce.
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You can't even produce finals appearance.
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Exactly understand that.
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That's different, because the difference with the Celtics is that the Celtics weren't barely injured like that, even as old as they work.
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Where when she Yeah, once he joined the Clippers, right? Chris Paul was going down every time they even got close to the playoffs.
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Like girlfriends.
00:05:45
Leg was just done by the time mid season and DeAndre Jordan was really left by himself, you know, with Jamal Crawford.
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And you know, I'm not saying that's a bad technique, but in the end, the gate, they're not the players that you're gonna see 2030 points from right, you're going to see maybe 15 maybe one game.
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Maybe next game might see, you know, a double double.
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Maybe you know less the next game.
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You know, So Doc Rivers on the Clippers.
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It's like you can compare it to the Celtics because you did have a great team like they had.
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But the thing was, is that again? Healthwise the Celtics, who are always a better team? Chemistry around? I mean, look, you had Rondo at the one great point guard.
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Actually, he's probably the only point guard that's still like an old school point guard pass first, right? Ray Allen? Right.
00:06:32
That spot up shooter, Right, Pierce, you know, great big time when it came down to him and then, you know, you had Kate, you had K G on the bottom.
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That was just picking everybody up.
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That's a fact.
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True, that's a fact. And that's what I'm saying.
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Like I feel like you know, his time.
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His time with the Clippers, were it then? I mean, I think they need a new voice in there.
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Especially after hearing what you know, Paul, George and the teammates of the Clippers.
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You know, they he was trying to give them, like, a motivational speech after they folded.
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You know, the players, they wasn't there really weren't trying because he did.
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He didn't He didn't show up at all.
00:07:12
So it's just like how you try to give a motivational speech.
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And throughout the whole thing, you were quiet.
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You get I'm saying like he was I don't know, like PG to me.
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PG just didn't show up.
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He wasn't PG.
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I don't think PG is the same PG he used to be after injury.
00:07:28
No, I don't even think that.
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I think as far as PG goes like, um, PG is always gonna be a good player, great player that have on the court.
00:07:38
But he's not someone again.
00:07:40
Like like he's not know LeBron.
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He's not.
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He's not know somebody who, you know, can create every single she's starting Before he started, he's starting to fall back into a role play.
00:07:50
The role exactly.
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Used to be a one like we talked about like an Indianapolis.
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He was the one, no doubt about it on then.
00:07:58
Okay, See, he was kind of like the one A because because he could do some things that Westbrook couldn't do.
00:08:07
And then then now you know he's the two, and it's like I feel like his role.
00:08:12
I just feel like I don't I don't know.
00:08:13
I don't know what his mindset playing e.
00:08:16
I don't think he has a solid position, even if it's not having a solid position.
00:08:21
I don't I don't I don't think a person should be the position because at the end of the day, a day, end of the day, at the end of the day, it's multiple people that have run different positions.
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You know what I'm saying? So e I want me per se I wouldn't say position.
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It's more so on consistency and a game game play.
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Do you understand how, how, how, how fluid is his rhythm? How consistent is he? I mean, that's like example.
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We could talk about Gordon Hayward because they almost have similar injuries, you know, and for look, even when Gordon Hayward is on the floor, you know it's still a big impact change.
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Whether he's 100% or whether he's, you know, that that all depends on that.
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All depends on the player because not every player, not every players like that.
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But you see now, now what happens is when you put PG on a team like the Clippers.
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E think before two guys stuff on the fact wise defense squad is the best player.
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Quiet! It's collided.
00:09:28
Hey, found out that gene wire put together.
00:09:31
Thank Gold that there's gonna be a great defensive team, but you're not thinking about all the P players that are around them to that, aren't? You know, like I said, up to that college.
00:09:41
You know what you expect? You expect Beverly to hit you with 20 points a game, 15 points a game.
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You know, e in my eye.
00:09:51
You can't Just was like, I mean me. Okay.
00:09:54
Me playing basketball, right.
00:09:56
Um, I going score.
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Um, I gonna worry about a guy that can only score 10 points, maybe a game.
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Um, I'm gonna worry about these two players on the team that for maybe 20 more.
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You know, once you put your focus on why PG then who really do you have on that team? Thanks a lot.
00:10:15
That's a fact.
00:10:16
That's a fact.
00:10:17
And I saw somebody said, Doc Rivers should be the the next six.
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Is that coach? Everybody, I think about that.
00:10:23
Should the six is trying to make a move on E.
00:10:29
T j. And then I'm shocking.
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I say he would be a good look for the Sixers because having been Simmons is like having another Rondo.
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You know what I'm saying, too, But he's a bigger Rondo.
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He could utilize him more and Doc Rivers place games.
00:10:49
I've always worked when he's had a point guard like that, whereas they can facilitate, They can score inside the paint.
00:10:57
Your head, head, head.
00:10:59
My, um they can.
00:11:02
They can score inside the paint they can.
00:11:04
You get him saying he can't really shoot a jump shot.
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But he could really facilitate the ball and score inside the paint one needed.
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So you give back Rivers a player like that.
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He I think he could make something out of Ben Simmons before he goes to waste.
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I think so.
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My opinion I agree with T.
00:11:25
J said no, that's more of ah, like a Celtics type of team right there.
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You know you got your shooters big man and stuff like that inside and out.
00:11:34
Um, the biggest fall on that team is that they have, uh, medicine and can't shoot.
00:11:41
You know, he'll do a pump fake on the three point line thinking somebody's gonna jump knowing **** well he's not going to shoot No way could see it.
00:11:50
We've seen it for the Celtics, and he wasn't there.
00:11:54
But, like, you know, what was the last season of the season when he only scored like one point? It was a free throw, right? You know, if you stop Ben Simmons from gunning in that paint, you know all you gotta rely on at that time B and Harris.
00:12:12
They need some shooters, though.
00:12:13
They gotta get some shooters.
00:12:14
Like when they had Red**** when they had Red****.
00:12:16
And when they had Jimmy Butler, there was just on a different type of level.
00:12:20
That's true.
00:12:21
They spread the floor.
00:12:23
So Jimmy Buckets puts his, you know, when he's on that team, you know, you may not see it because, you know, people will underestimate him and saying how toxic he was when he was in Minnesota.
00:12:34
Um, but when you have somebody like Jimmy on that team, I mean, that's different, you know that.
00:12:38
I mean, Doc Rivers had that team probably would have went a lot different, but Doc Rivers would be a good fit for them, or even a team.
00:12:47
Like maybe Houston would be okay for for him to, you know, because that's be honest.
00:12:54
Now.
00:12:55
The coach for Houston, What's name the Tony or whatever the name is? Yeah, right.
00:12:59
Like him.
00:13:00
He's, uh, when everyone who was on the next he was all offensive coach.
00:13:06
I've never seen him.
00:13:07
Hey, and Tony was Yeah, he's just offensive coach, which, which is a bad thing, because it's just like defense wins games.
00:13:18
You utilize.
00:13:19
You utilize these players to their potential with within the offensive side.
00:13:24
Okay, but what happened on the defense side? Now they have a bad shooting night and get their ass whipped because they play no defense and there's just off day on shoot.
00:13:35
That's why somebody like D'Antoni is to me was never been a never a good coach, even when he was on York.
00:13:43
H a man.
00:13:46
You can't follow certain certain play styles because you don't have certain players that fit the play style property.
00:13:55
That's all he does is rely on one star player.
00:13:59
All right, all right, let's transition Thio.
00:14:02
Let's talk about the Eastern Conference finals.
00:14:05
Um, uh, Celtics, Celtics and the Heat.
00:14:10
He got it done in six Boston Celtics packed.
00:14:15
It was, you know, most of the most of the games were really close outside of the last game.
00:14:20
Um, and, uh, I think Well, actually, both I think both both Celtic Winds were pretty.
00:14:26
They, you know, they did a good job.
00:14:28
I think they've beaten by 10.
00:14:29
Plus, you got your ass waxed and, uh, and then but those four losses, you know, they just weren't able to close.
00:14:36
So, Sean Sean, as a as a Celtic fan, give me a thoughts on the on the on the Siri's.
00:14:43
Where do you see the Celtics going on From here.
00:14:45
And then I let I let TJ finish up.
00:14:48
In my opinion, the Celtics What? They I think what? Our main problem waas beside guarding, you know, hair, hair or whatever his name is.
00:14:56
Um, we got outrebounded a lot.
00:15:01
We did get out rebounded, you know? I mean, look at bam bam was going crazy.
00:15:06
It Well, you know, not compared to Jenny.
00:15:08
But like I said, we need way.
00:15:10
Celtics do need a solid big man in there.
00:15:13
You know, when we had Al Horford, it was able he was able to play defense as well get boards and pass to facilitate the ball around shoot around what a Celtics team that we have now.
00:15:25
We have a great team play, you know.
00:15:28
But I think we're small balling like from Daniel Thais.
00:15:32
He's not. No.
00:15:33
Like I said, he's not know somebody who's gonna be averaging great points every game.
00:15:37
He's not, you know, um, eso when it comes down toe playing a team like like Miami Heat, where you have Jimmy, you have all these players that I actually showing out, Like, to me personally, who besides, you know, Tyler, you know, you wanna know why who I thought was impressed me the most on that team.
00:15:56
Roger.
00:15:57
Tragic.
00:15:58
Yes, I didn't expect 32 30 on.
00:16:02
He's what 30.
00:16:03
So I didn't expect Project to do what he did.
00:16:05
Tragic, stepped up.
00:16:07
Hey, made some big, big shots, but I didn't expect nothing like that from a garage from Georgia.
00:16:14
Eso with the Celtics.
00:16:16
Like I said, you know, there's some pieces that we need to focus on.
00:16:20
And, um, Jayson Tatum needs to realize, like even though he is our star player and he is our go to player, I think he needs to stop forcing a lot of his shots that he was doing, you know, just trying to get going for us.
00:16:33
Um, I mean, I personally think that we have a perfect set team, you know, with Kemba Walker.
00:16:38
Um, you know, it sucks because Gordon Hayward came back again, but he wasn't 100% when he played.
00:16:46
You know, um, in my opinion, like I said, it was a great series.
00:16:52
It's a series that you can't get mad about, because money he did that.
00:16:56
That and the Celtics, where they need to go on from.
00:16:59
This is what Earnhardt get.
00:17:02
Think, Pick up a big man like I'll be a perfect pick up for them in the end.
00:17:06
Um, because next to you then but free agency or whatever on on next year come back 10 times harder.
00:17:15
Because again, the Celtics have the potential they have pushed.
00:17:18
They have the hungry.
00:17:19
They just need a piece fax Tuesday with your thoughts.
00:17:25
And then I'll try to wrap it up.
00:17:28
What was he was talking about again? I'm sorry, Mr.
00:17:31
Last part on the ship.
00:17:33
Those on the Eastern Conference finals as faras in, like, this recap the Celtics.
00:17:40
They disappointed me, man.
00:17:42
Um, I really.
00:17:44
I really had high hopes for them thinking that they were actually gonna do something this year within making a big move.
00:17:50
You know, having temper.
00:17:52
And Kemba did it did this thing e really thought they were gonna do something, but they disappointed me.
00:17:59
This year they fell at Tom's, where they shouldn't have felt like cautious turnovers, costly turnovers that that kind of killed their momentum within the playoffs itself.
00:18:13
Um, ast faras Miami AM has just been balling like I've been saying for a while now that Miami's got a team and just young boulders.
00:18:25
Andi.
00:18:26
So the fact that Jimmy Butler being able to be there and stepped down from actually being the main scorer and you see it actually work out opposed Ah, lot of other star players doing that with him being a star player and stepping down and letting his role players, the rest of the team, grow.
00:18:48
You know what I'm saying? That that's something different.
00:18:54
So I was very shocked to see that that the heat advanced the way they advance.
00:19:00
They took care of everybody that they played no joke.
00:19:05
They took care, everybody that they played again.
00:19:07
So um, the Eastern Conference final was honestly, kind of knew that the Heat.
00:19:17
We're gonna beat the Celtics after maybe game, too.
00:19:23
Mhm.
00:19:25
I thought I thought it was.
00:19:26
I thought it was a good Siri's.
00:19:28
I just thought I just felt like, you know, the Celtics.
00:19:30
They weren't able to crack Miami's own.
00:19:32
I mean, they were struggling with that 23 throughout the entire Siris on, you know, the Celtics usually throughout the season.
00:19:39
They did a great job of moving the ball, moving side to side, getting good shots, giving up good shots for great shots.
00:19:45
But then against Miami, I don't know like that song they just started to play more is a ball, and I think that kind of figured in some of his hands and, you know, took a lot of took a lot of bad shots at times, and sometimes the offense was very stagnant, and that that that that was able to that was that was what Miami wanted throughout the whole time.
00:20:04
They didn't I feel like in that zone, they should have put at least you know, Brown or Tatum at the free throw line.
00:20:10
You know, I kind of work from there and kind of having facilitated through things like that.
00:20:14
But it's also tough when you don't have Ah, true big as well be ableto It's just, you know, just crap that's on behind behind behind his own to get that big man to drop.
00:20:25
You know, Tyson Tyson is a good big, but he's not really a God is dominant in the paint.
00:20:30
He kind of likes to space the floor, do some other things.
00:20:33
So I just think personnel like like Sean said, I think you know, they definitely toe, you know, take a look and try to get a big man for sure.
00:20:41
Um and I think that that's that's gonna be paramount.
00:20:45
I mean, maybe maybe move Hayward for a big do a trade or something like that.
00:20:50
That would be the best move they could do is move Hayward for big.
00:20:55
Because I feel like, Ah, I had this conversation the other day and somebody said that, uh, something should let go markets smart.
00:21:03
I'm just like, Well, okay, if you like. Go Marcus Smart.
00:21:06
Who's gonna be your defensive anchor? Who's gonna be your squirrel bench? I'm sorry you off, But I think at that point Gordon Hayward, I would cut Gordon Hayward.
00:21:19
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
00:21:21
Hey, Hayward.
00:21:22
Hayward would be the best piece to let go and get something good back for you know what I'm saying? Even if his play decreased in his value decrease from not playing so much, right? What s what? Big.
00:21:42
What big do you think is out there? I mean, I'm seeing, like Myles Turner.
00:21:46
Maybe Adams, maybe Adams, because I think, okay, See, Might be moving in a different direction.
00:21:52
You know what? What? You know what? Them firing Billy Donovan.
00:21:55
Look, they I think they might be looking to rebuild.
00:21:58
It.
00:21:59
Might tryto might try to ship atoms and small picks.
00:22:01
So you think would be a valid big man? ****.
00:22:04
Adams? Yeah.
00:22:06
Oh, that's a tough one.
00:22:10
I think the Celtics the subjects are able to get a guy like Adams.
00:22:13
Don't forget the Marcus cousins is also on that list.
00:22:18
Yeah, but he too.
00:22:21
He's on that list.
00:22:22
He's on that list.
00:22:23
But I don't I don't I don't think they would take a look at him because he's too injury prone right now.
00:22:27
After after the year that they had with the injuries that they were dealing with.
00:22:31
E think they sometimes have really trying to avoid anybody who's to injury from the market's cousin named playing what, 23 to almost three years? Yeah, tomorrow.
00:22:44
But listen, right, let's talk about this.
00:22:46
It's not I'm sorry.
00:22:48
I'm sorry to cut you off, but it's not to say like Marcus Cousins is like a k D or somebody you give him saying It's not, It's not.
00:22:56
It's not, too.
00:22:57
Yeah, but what's the odds of that E if he's healthy, if he's healthy, is highest.
00:23:04
It's a high percentage.
00:23:05
He hasn't played for how long He hasn't played so well.
00:23:09
Why not? 100% right? He should be 100% right now.
00:23:12
I mean, it's been a full season s, um, change.
00:23:15
I mean, I think he he towards a CEO in August of last year, so I mean, we're almost in October now, So, um, you know, he should be, you know, that's a 12 month recovery.
00:23:24
He should be, You know, by the time the season next season starts, he should be good to go.
00:23:29
I think I think I think Contenders Air.
00:23:31
Definitely want to take a look at him.
00:23:33
I think that's something.
00:23:34
I mean, I mean, that would make sense.
00:23:36
You know, you're not really paying too much.
00:23:38
You probably be able to get him on the vet minimum.
00:23:40
You're not gonna pay him a lot of money.
00:23:42
He's not, because maybe I don't think it be like a Dwight Howard thing where he gets a non guaranteed deal.
00:23:48
But I think you'll probably get like like, a mellow like like mellow in Portland.
00:23:52
Maybe like five mil or something like that.
00:23:55
Like a veteran contract? Exactly, exactly.
00:23:58
So I think that be a good move.
00:23:59
I believe your box called on that list as well on free agent says it might be a good piece to Yeah, I think you know someone.
00:24:09
Even even a Marc Gasol.
00:24:10
Marc Gasol with him infant and as old as he is, he will still be great because he's a big guy in that pink as well is his playmaking.
00:24:18
It's still it's still good, and, you know, even though he's not scoring as much, he's still giving you those big points when you need it the most.
00:24:25
Gasol, Gasol's going back to Spain.
00:24:27
He's leaving the MBA.
00:24:28
Oh, is he? Yeah.
00:24:29
I was just reported today.
00:24:30
Yeah, I didn't I didn't look into that today.
00:24:33
But, like, don't like like, Like like like Kristin Thompson, right? He's gonna be a free agent.
00:24:40
Um, Serge Ibaka markets cousins.
00:24:43
I mean, even a d.
00:24:44
Like if he let's just say he decides to leave.
00:24:47
Yeah.
00:24:48
I mean, if he wins, then obviously makes no sense for him to leave, right? But you have a lot of these players like you have Melo coming out, you know, as a free agent, Andre Drummond.
00:25:01
But yeah.
00:25:02
Yeah, for drumming.
00:25:03
You definitely have to move Hayward for sure.
00:25:05
The free up the couch with us, right? Exactly.
00:25:07
And like, that's what I'm saying.
00:25:08
At this point, we don't get we don't get smart.
00:25:11
Smart is one of our best players on our team.
00:25:14
He's I would say he's the Draymond green of our team.
00:25:17
He's the spark off, you know, off the Celtics, you know, he's basically really are veterans on our team.
00:25:25
I would say, you know, besides Kimba being around for the long as he ab, But, um, smart is he's been there since Rondo left, You know, So he hasn't left since then.
00:25:38
Um, again, Celtics just really need to get rid of Hayward and keep on working on getting a better piece to finish that finish.
00:25:46
That pot like glow can't keep on relying on Tatum.
00:25:51
We can't keep on relying on Brown.
00:25:53
We need that big.
00:25:54
We need them boards way.
00:25:55
Need to be able to guard that paint with no problem, which I think is our biggest problems guarding that paint.
00:26:01
Yeah, for sure, because bam, bam! Average 21 11.
00:26:04
So that's what I'm saying.
00:26:06
So, like, we got really destroyed by boards.
00:26:10
You know, the game that we should have one, right? You know, we just lost by boards.
00:26:16
Really? You know, fax.
00:26:18
That's That's a fact.
00:26:20
All right, let's transition to the Western Conference finals.
00:26:24
Lakers, Nuggets, Lakers.
00:26:26
Got it done in five.
00:26:28
Well, I'm surprised.
00:26:30
Um, yeah, I mean, I chose the liquors in six.
00:26:33
I felt that I just thought, you know, they you know, they possibly get one or two games.
00:26:39
I thought at least you know, Michael Michael Porter Jr.
00:26:43
Or some of the other wing guys might have a big game and in the game that they did when Jeremy Grant had a great game and they had, like 2024 points or something like that.
00:26:51
Ultimately, you know, just the Lakers had their bigs were just too much for Yokich.
00:26:56
Yokota's in foul trouble, pretty much the majority of the Siri's, especially those last three games.
00:27:02
Uh, and you know, even though he's a great player, you know, just they had they had the it was just styles make fights, you know, they just had the they had.
00:27:10
They had the personnel to be able to offset kind of stuff, get physical against the Clippers.
00:27:16
They didn't really have that.
00:27:17
They don't really have that big.
00:27:19
I mean, Harold, you know he's there big, but he does.
00:27:22
He's 67 you because you're just gonna body him.
00:27:24
And then after that, I mean it, really.
00:27:26
Nobody's really out the zoo boxes just too slow to be able to guard your kids.
00:27:31
So, uh, I think I think it was, you know, LeBron brought her home on Saturday a big time fourth quarter, 16 and 1/4.
00:27:38
Just kind of put it to rest, you know, kind of ended the try to end any type of momentum that you know.
00:27:43
The Nuggets have gotten down 31 in their first, their first few Siri's.
00:27:47
So, uh, you know, I think it was.
00:27:50
I think it was a dominant performance by the Lakers.
00:27:53
I think you know, they could have.
00:27:55
They could have rebounded the ball a little bit better.
00:27:57
You know, some games where 80 has their own rebounds, two rebounds, but ultimately, you know, they got it done on.
00:28:04
But I just wanna I want to get channel, get your thoughts, and then I'll follow up with T. J. Gets back.
00:28:10
So my thoughts of that is, it wasn't no surprise to me that the Lakers wanted the Nuggets isn't a championship championship team? Not just yet.
00:28:25
Um, that's a team That's a team that you're gonna see if they choose to stay together, right that, like maybe a couple of years from now, you will see them as top three teams on the West.
00:28:37
In my opinion, I mean somebody with Michael Porter Jr right now being ableto playmakers.
00:28:44
Well, a score, um Bobo being able to be, as you know, the big impact as he was Joe.
00:28:51
All these players, you know, you have the team.
00:28:53
You basically have, You know, a big, big seven right there.
00:28:58
You know, Murray, he came to show out, you know, I mean, it's early to say, but if he continues to play the way that he did, I could see that it's going.
00:29:10
It's gonna be a huge impact on the MBA in the future.
00:29:14
And the Nuggets will be a top team to play, you know, not saying they're not a top team now, but they're so young, they still have a lot to learn with one another.
00:29:25
Um, Michael Porter Jr.
00:29:27
This is really his first year, even touching the floor since back surgery for two years a year? Yeah, I got arrested in the first year.
00:29:35
Eso like, you know, he this is the first time we actually seen them.
00:29:39
Same thing with Bobo, you know, the first official time seeing.
00:29:45
And for the short time that we did see Bobo, we've seen the potential and the push that he can provide for his team.
00:29:53
And we that z like I said, you know, So when it came down to the Celtic and like it was like, it was a no call, right? You know, a D was always going to do his thing.
00:30:04
You know, even though I think that one ending shot was not a skilled shot, I don't I don't think it should be like the game winner.
00:30:12
Yeah.
00:30:13
I don't think it's something that he can do on the night in and night out.
00:30:16
I think that's the same thing.
00:30:17
Like I lari when he got that on the Celtics.
00:30:20
I don't I don't believe I think that was pure lot.
00:30:23
Okay.
00:30:24
All right.
00:30:25
The play was clean, right? Right.
00:30:28
You know.
00:30:29
So it's something, you know, It's just like games that have you listened to Damian Lillard.
00:30:33
He said that he tried to re enact the shot that he did on Paul George, and he said he just put it right.
00:30:41
One of those in that moment tire things right, you know? And that's what I'm saying.
00:30:45
That's not something you plan for.
00:30:47
That's not something you aim for.
00:30:48
But like I said, nuggets will be that team to be the goal against later on T.
00:30:56
J.
00:30:57
You that, bro? Yeah, I'm here, bro.
00:30:58
I, um what was your thoughts on on the Western Conference finals.
00:31:03
Uh, Brown on.
00:31:06
Duh.
00:31:07
Your guy Brown is getting it done.
00:31:08
Yeah, that's all you could say is your guy Brown? Because Brown fan, not another Lakers E said brawn fan out the Lakers fan. I'm crying.
00:31:18
Um, Braun got it done.
00:31:20
No, I want to say Braun got it done.
00:31:22
I want to say, Hey, he got it done alongside of Ron.
00:31:26
You know what I'm saying? Um, more so, in a sense of a d has been I want to say the focal point when it came to closing out games.
00:31:40
Um, this is Lakers.
00:31:44
Yeah, we already knew that they were going to the finals.
00:31:46
I said it from when it when it occurred.
00:31:50
We spoke on that, Uh, that's wrong.
00:31:54
Going for the fourth chip.
00:31:55
That's just that I think I really think that a D is probably going to get the M V P this year.
00:32:03
All right, we'll talk.
00:32:04
We'll get into that.
00:32:05
We're going to do it in a little bit.
00:32:06
Uh um if those on the Nuggets stuff, um, shut those on their future and the playoffs, they had because ah, lot of people don't even have everybody Everybody thought it be.
00:32:16
Lakers Clippers Western Conference finals.
00:32:18
Nobody like his Nuggets.
00:32:20
Nuggets.
00:32:21
Big surprise.
00:32:22
Big surprise.
00:32:23
Like McDonald's ****y nuggets.
00:32:24
Zwiers ****y this year.
00:32:27
I'm gonna They're pretty good.
00:32:28
I mean, they Yes, they are.
00:32:31
Good.
00:32:32
Pretty good to me.
00:32:33
I'm loving it.
00:32:34
Gave it does, but yeah, definitely.
00:32:37
Try the ****y nuggets, man.
00:32:38
Those were good, But those nuggets Denver Nuggets.
00:32:41
Definitely ****y this year, E man, Um, this is man.
00:32:46
Yeah, Murray.
00:32:48
He has some picante sauce.
00:32:49
He that names that man.
00:32:52
Man, I don't know him.
00:32:55
And joke.
00:32:56
It's That's a nasty duel.
00:32:59
That was a nasty dual, but we knew that they were gonna be the Lakers, but I wanted them to be clippers just to make it easier for broad And d you know, it would be a shame of bronze.
00:33:15
Just choked like he did back in Cleveland when he was going against the Celtics.
00:33:19
Way about to get into that.
00:33:23
We're about to about to get into that right now.
00:33:25
We want to get into that funny.
00:33:28
Um, yeah, and that's and I think, Yeah, yoga and Murray.
00:33:33
They definitely showed some some true promise.
00:33:36
And in this Siri's I mean ah, a lot of people.
00:33:39
You know, I thought I thought they were always gonna be a young team.
00:33:41
And I feel like, you know, they were gonna be, you know, good for a very long time.
00:33:46
But, you know, for them to make that step for them to make that step from, uh, from the second round last year, Thio the Western Conference finals.
00:33:58
It's a big deal.
00:34:00
Big deal.
00:34:01
So Okay, Yeah, This is a little off topic, my fault for cutting you off.
00:34:05
But, you know, this whole bubble was cute with a lot of big news for this whole bubble, you know, from even before the conference finals.
00:34:16
All that? Like, Phoenix.
00:34:18
They ain't No, You know, I think we've seen a lot of potential from these players that we never thought we would see it from.
00:34:26
And this bubble from the young guys especially check my jacket.
00:34:31
But that's that's in the green thing.
00:34:33
Mhm.
00:34:34
Fax.
00:34:35
Fax.
00:34:36
Yeah, I think I think as you like you said bobo definitely gonna make that step.
00:34:40
Um, original And a lot in this Siri's.
00:34:42
Yeah, I think he has toe become a better defender.
00:34:45
We're going his ball handling it a little bit more, just just to become a better shot. Creator.
00:34:50
E think I think I think that's gonna That's gonna be That's gonna be the best solution for them, for sure.
00:35:00
Um, all right, let's get system.
00:35:04
Some other story launched.
00:35:08
All right, let's Zahalka about Let's talk about LeBron.
00:35:11
You know, Richard his 10th NBA Finals appearance.
00:35:14
Uh, thing with the win e already already know.
00:35:20
Well, I'll go with John first, but you already know that I'm Yeah, with the wind right here.
00:35:27
Where would you Where would you rank on your timeless? Let's hear this song.
00:35:32
Where would you rank him? With a long time? Less mine, Poppy Top off.
00:35:37
Probably not Even certified would probably probably.
00:35:41
I mean, I'm a LeBron James Hayter, not because of his skill, because the man does have a maid.
00:35:47
These skills.
00:35:48
So you were just born to be a LeBron James e just don't like him.
00:35:53
Why not? What did he do? What did he do to you? I don't.
00:35:58
I don't get your baby and e don't like the cry baby.
00:36:03
Put your team your team.
00:36:04
Your team was built around Thio.
00:36:07
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:36:09
Listen, we could go back and forth.
00:36:11
We could go like Shannon and sharp, whatever.
00:36:13
Me sharp and, uh, e got tired.
00:36:17
I got time, cause but in the end of the day, you know, um, LeBron James I just don't like him personally, so I'll put him on my top five, and that's me being even nice enough to him and put him there.
00:36:29
Okay, Um, LeBron James is always going to be the best, I would say as faras playmaking wise, um, decisions.
00:36:40
You know, like, you know, you can't really compare him in Jordan because Jordan was just the best one of the best scorers of all time.
00:36:49
You know, um, Kobe, Kobe is one of the best clutches players of all time, you know? And LeBron was just, like another magic.
00:36:59
Just love off a lot more skills When it came down to it.
00:37:03
E mean they got like, this is my opinion.
00:37:06
And I would say you stopped around top Fox.
00:37:11
I respect that respect that, uh, TJ 20 quarterback.
00:37:16
So I'm still going with that.
00:37:17
I hate I hate Tom Brady more than brown telling you that right now, a lot of love man, love, but T J where you where you got where you got Brown? If he's able to get this four championship bronze getting this championship, Brown is definitely top five about James's about yo Chill.
00:37:47
That's what I'm saying.
00:37:49
Come on, man.
00:37:51
Um, **** shown, you know, pop icon now, but Bron is definitely set for our top five amongst my favorite brought is my favorite player, but, I mean, he doesn't trump Jordan and being realistic, he doesn't trump Kobe celebrating Top three.
00:38:18
Just one e can agree with that.
00:38:22
Uh, I read on top three on my my favorite.
00:38:26
He's my favorite player, but I'm being realistic as faras stats and numbers wise and the things that he's done.
00:38:33
Mhm.
00:38:34
He's top three.
00:38:36
He's number one, and the thing and the things that he's done.
00:38:39
You know what I'm saying? With the numbers that he set and the standards that he set as a player? Yeah, being one of the greatest all around players there is.
00:38:49
That's why I already met at top three with Jordan and Kobe.
00:38:53
I just have one LeBron question.
00:38:56
All right.
00:38:57
Do you think lebron will be as big as a Z is now.
00:39:00
If he was playing back then with shocks, time and all the Yes, yes.
00:39:07
Yeah, I think so.
00:39:09
I don't I don't think I don't think it would be a difference.
00:39:11
I think LeBron James will be facing a lot more injuries.
00:39:16
You could you could possibly say that.
00:39:18
You could possibly say that, but at the same time, I mean so you only have one major injury? Exactly.
00:39:26
He played slender, slender hey was under compared to Brown.
00:39:31
Hey, was much hey was much smaller than they think about LeBron playing a team like the bad boy Pistons, right? You'd be able to bank.
00:39:39
LeBron will be ableto LeBron will be able to bang him up with bad boy Christians.
00:39:44
He would be able to bang with him.
00:39:46
Hey, had somebody like him to Jr on his side. He's good.
00:39:51
E think it's a couple of players.
00:39:54
I think it's a couple of players right now.
00:39:57
And the aid I'll be able to say, like, you know, still still have an impact regardless era.
00:40:03
I mean, you got Katie.
00:40:05
Of course, LeBron e think would get hurt much, too, because Katie is not really, uh, Katie the great player, but he's not.
00:40:13
I don't think he will be great with physical.
00:40:16
And that's it.
00:40:17
You gotta.
00:40:20
But you gotta think about like, Cady skill set.
00:40:23
And like, it wasn't there really wasn't any type of players back then with that type of skill.
00:40:27
Set the same same thing for lebron.
00:40:29
Like there weren't really many that there weren't a lot of players that had that type of skill set back back then.
00:40:35
Like like lebron's? Because, I mean, like, magic.
00:40:37
That was the eighties like seventies eighties.
00:40:40
So I mean, but But then LeBron just has a different type of athleticism, the magic.
00:40:45
So and he's about the shooter.
00:40:47
So, um, you had that scary jump shot that you had that had that had that set shot jumper? Exactly.
00:40:56
Exactly.
00:40:57
So, um, I think with this fourth and right here, uh, in my opinion, in my opinion, is already top three in my book, I think.
00:41:07
Who's number one? Number one.
00:41:09
I still got I still got MJ.
00:41:11
I know.
00:41:13
I was e respect that I was a lot of people a lot about Kobe.
00:41:17
Um, e I got I got Jordan one still just what he did in his prime and his dominance.
00:41:24
I mean, it's just it's just really tough toe match that.
00:41:28
But I will say if LeBron is able to get five, it would be very it would be very.
00:41:36
It'll be very tough for me, not toe.
00:41:41
I think that discussion or whether he's number one, there's some people already having number one.
00:41:45
I think I think he would definitely close that gap.
00:41:47
I mean, I saw a couple ****ysts say, like there's no way he'd be able to close the gap But if he's able to win five championships, uh, in this era, especially if Golden State comes back, Brooklyn comes back.
00:41:59
If they're happy Golden State work done.
00:42:04
Okay, yeah, we'll talk about that.
00:42:07
We did a mission.
00:42:09
I guess you on the the off season review for sure.
00:42:13
We're gonna talk about Golden State.
00:42:15
Um, that's that's that's possible.
00:42:17
Some people think that, but I think, uh, I think with this, but this fourth and right here, I mean to me, it just keeps him right there on top three.
00:42:25
I got So I think I think he's especially if he's dominant and I see I see a lot of a lot of veterans, a lot of old heads, people in the MBA like they want.
00:42:37
They really want to downplay this Finals.
00:42:39
They want to say, You know, it's It's like a pick up.
00:42:41
It's like Scottie Pippen says, Like I pick up, it's like pickup basketball.
00:42:45
It's not the same playoff atmosphere, but they like they couldn't control.
00:42:48
It's not like they had any control.
00:42:51
Over what? What this thing was gonna look like.
00:42:55
This was the only May the season was gonna be ableto resume on and finish.
00:43:00
So, you know, to put, you know, just the order by just go down narrative out right before the final.
00:43:06
I think it was a little was a little It was a little weak by about Scotty, like, Yeah, I mean, we've already seen LeBron step up in big moments in front of big crowds and, uh, in front of those crowds to Yeah, exactly.
00:43:21
I mean, but here's the thing, right.
00:43:25
You know Kobe, for example, right? Kobe? One.
00:43:29
How many rings was shot? Three.
00:43:32
Great.
00:43:33
How many will be solved? You want to wear this? Aw, yeah.
00:43:37
Right now, I think they stand for two different things.
00:43:41
Me personally, I think them.
00:43:45
LeBron James.
00:43:46
The reason why I can't give LeBron James the the respect.
00:43:52
It's because to me it's It's like, Okay, you had Kobe and Gasol, Kobe and shot, you know, dominant players and stuff like that, Right? But with Bron, I stopped respecting LeBron in the same way people were stopped respecting Haiti when he went to Golden State.
00:44:11
Warriors toe.
00:44:12
Go get his rings.
00:44:14
I don't respect LeBron.
00:44:16
When he did, when he did go toe Miami to set up a team because they were willing to give that that's the best thing he could have did.
00:44:25
Mhm.
00:44:26
That is the greatest thing he could have been.
00:44:28
But what I'm saying, though, is that's why I can't put half one right there behind that as that top tier player.
00:44:37
Like, you know, I put him in my top five, you know, because E had another animal behavior, right? Right.
00:44:50
And I'm gonna set up a team over there.
00:44:52
Are you never seeing check? Check said I want these these rings.
00:44:56
I'm going somewhere else.
00:44:58
That's well, im e I mean, they had they had the rift which was led to you know, shocked when they get traded on the Lakers.
00:45:06
The Laker ultimately chose Kobe over the shot through.
00:45:10
Well, of course.
00:45:11
I mean, long run wise, you know that They already knew things were going to change eventually.
00:45:16
Okay, Right.
00:45:19
But in my that's why I can't get that big jump because that big jump to me, you know, I have to see what you can do.
00:45:29
You know, by yourself you can say Okay, but the final years in the Cleveland Cavaliers, when he had Kyrie and stuff like that, like that was all good.
00:45:41
But let's be honest.
00:45:43
What? Last year when I mean that last ticket booth, right? They didn't really do that. Great.
00:45:51
They didn't Even without Kyra, they you know, they look up, look up with a win against though.
00:45:59
They went up against Curry Curry, who had helped Cady had because he had the Splash brothers.
00:46:05
So it's like way.
00:46:09
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, but look at that.
00:46:11
Look at that team that the cops hot outside of LeBron wasn't.
00:46:17
I mean, most of those guys, the role players that were you had George J. R.
00:46:24
E.
00:46:29
But what they didn't man mention was that they did it without what they did it with a bunch of rookies on the team.
00:46:36
I don't think John had proven himself to go against the top player and get me. They want to get.
00:46:42
It's the top rookies on that team.
00:46:43
So I don't think like I said, I can't put him on my top three.
00:46:46
You know that easily, you know, because in the end they can't compare him to Jordan because I think Jordan did a lot by himself before he got.
00:46:55
So what about the early? What about the early cop individual? So about every time LeBron LeBron was by himself before he went to Miami and then went to the finals, it was coming out the East when it's 60 games.
00:47:08
But they just didn't have the help to win the championship, which you're talking about.
00:47:12
Yeah, s.
00:47:13
So what you do is is that you go to another team and you say, Let's I'm not only gonna play on this team if I have this player, just this player And maybe if we could get this player, you know, you have to remember Chris Bosch wasn't even supposed to be on that team Melo waas, Right? They The way I see it, it is like That's like trying to let Chris Paul going to the Lakers when they had Kobe and all of them big fans and you see how quick they stopped that.
00:47:41
But the difference was that was a trade e mean, But here's the thing.
00:47:49
I want a veto that trade so quick E get, I'll show you just and that's me.
00:48:07
Okay, Um I mean, yeah, I mean everybody, everybody gonna have a different opinion on it.
00:48:16
I just think that it's just the area that we're in helped him in his favorite like this, like the super team era helped him win championships on.
00:48:26
And then he was ultimately lost championships because because then go into the state, created their own believe and ultimately, let's losing championships.
00:48:35
So he kind of got the He kind of got both both sides of the move.
00:48:40
So, you know, that's, you know, that's I mean, you know, still mental, you know, eight straight finals during that on.
00:48:49
Do you know, if you I think people have stayed in Miami, I think they would have been able to get better players around him as opposed them going to Cleveland.
00:48:56
But he wanted to go to Cleveland and get that championship for the city, which he did.
00:49:00
Which which ultimately I wanna, I think, put him on a different weapon.
00:49:07
E they both.
00:49:10
They both play the hair.
00:49:12
I mean, well, I mean, LeBron had the block and then Kyrie got Kyrie made the shot.
00:49:17
So which is which is why on couldn't have did it with Al Kyrie for sure.
00:49:24
And I think that Zatz perfect but transmission right to this next question I got I got right what we got with this one shirt, but deep.
00:49:34
Uh huh.
00:49:36
What would that make any Davis that the best player LeBron has played with.
00:49:42
So we got Obviously, we got weighed two championships in Miami Way Just talked about Kyrie in Cleveland Bosch love to bigs that, you know, make some big time plays in those those championship runs for those respective teams.
00:49:58
So, uh, where would you rank a d amongst LeBron's top teammates that he's playing with his career? If they're able to get this championship e start, I start by, um e start with Jay first and I'll go to Sean.
00:50:14
Well, Joe.
00:50:22
Hmm? Okay, folks, getting it.
00:50:27
No, no, it's coming in and out. I can't.
00:50:31
You can hear me.
00:50:32
Yeah, it sounds like Get me on mine.
00:50:36
You, you know? Yeah, I can hear you.
00:50:41
You gave me now.
00:50:42
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:44
Yes, kind of.
00:50:45
It's cutting in and out of mind.
00:50:47
I can't.
00:50:49
Um, see you say that last what you were saying again, that was kind enough.
00:50:53
I was saying, like, where would you rank a D as LeBron's top teammates? If they if you're able to get this championship, he's, if not the best, second best behind weight.
00:51:08
Second best behind Wade.
00:51:10
Uh, Put him over, Kyrie.
00:51:13
Why? I say I put him over Kyrie because, nah, innocence.
00:51:19
I see him.
00:51:21
He's proved ah lot within this playoff run for it being his first playoff run.
00:51:30
I don't think this is You know what I'm saying? You guys give me Yeah.
00:51:35
Yeah, he's proved a lot for for being his first playoff run ever.
00:51:40
And he's showing everybody that Yeah, I've been this start playing big for so long, but I haven't had the chance to show my real potential.
00:51:49
You know what I'm saying so he's one, if not the best.
00:51:54
Some some other people might rate him as the best, uh, best second start playing that brought his head.
00:52:02
I see him second Thio.
00:52:04
Wait e.
00:52:06
Don't think there's no There's no dude I could compare to him and weighed the waiting toe win and brawn, but Braun and a D it's just It's good I saw.
00:52:19
What do you think? Uh, I e think I think a the e mean what they said was right, You know, the brawn and way.
00:52:34
That's top notch door right there.
00:52:37
Um, a, you know, not saying that anything, but I think it just had a lot to prove, E I mean, I think you could put LeBron James with any player that's, you know, that that can do good.
00:52:49
And he'll make you look great.
00:52:51
Regardless, the same thing with a point guard.
00:52:53
You know, you have a great point guard.
00:52:54
He can make you look great, you know, like, um, like, remember when, like I said, with Rondo on the shelters, you know, people say, Oh, well, that was a big four.
00:53:06
Well, not really.
00:53:07
It was Rondo being good, you know, an old school point guard with a bunch of great players around him.
00:53:15
So it made cookies.
00:53:16
Made Rondo look better than what he really waas not saying Rhonda was bad.
00:53:21
You know what I'm saying? Um, so I think he still has a lot to prove as faras.
00:53:27
That best duo part.
00:53:29
I think they have, But I do think they can.
00:53:32
They're capable of doing it, especially if he comes back for a second year.
00:53:38
E got I got a D.
00:53:42
Yeah.
00:53:43
Right now right now would be second if he's able to get the If he was able to get the championship Yeah, I would come right behind Brian and wait.
00:53:51
Just the fact that you know, they went there four years in a row.
00:53:55
12 should have 1213 But you know that that that Dallas stuff, Mavs? Yeah.
00:54:04
I mean, yeah.
00:54:05
I mean, I feel like they should have.
00:54:06
They should have won that seriously.
00:54:07
I mean, they were the better team going.
00:54:08
Then they had they had the opportunity, definitely were the better team going in against the matters.
00:54:13
But it was just stage.
00:54:15
They folded.
00:54:16
Chris Boss folded.
00:54:18
E just boss folded.
00:54:21
He got killed by dirt.
00:54:24
Yeah, they I think they were just overwhelmed.
00:54:26
I think they just probably it was It was a tough It was a tough moment, but they overcame that ended up being OK.
00:54:32
See Young Young Heart and K d and Durant.
00:54:35
I mean, young heart and Westbrook and K d and getting that done.
00:54:40
And then ultimately, you know that you know that Game six against the Spurs in the Ray Allen and that big shot and then LeBron bringing home and gave seven dropping 37.
00:54:48
So you know that you know that.
00:54:51
You know, those those as those air final, especially that one against the Spurs, Those air finals that you just you'll never forget.
00:54:57
Um, so, uh, I think right now him away just the chemistry they had, you know, the full court lob in the alley.
00:55:05
Oops, them on the fast break.
00:55:07
Just It's just different.
00:55:08
It's just different, I think.
00:55:09
But right now, but what Him and Kyrie it was a little.
00:55:12
It was kind of the same thing.
00:55:14
In a way, kind of reads more like, you know, Kyra is more like he's the ISO guy likes to travel a lot.
00:55:20
You know, LeBron was able to be more off the ball, and, uh, and they gave Congress the more one on one to be able to create shots.
00:55:28
So, you know, they were fun as well.
00:55:30
And during that time, e think I just speaks to how you know LeBron is able to play with any type of player play with a great shooting guard.
00:55:37
Great point guard, Not great big e O as long as you can do what you have to do, right? And I think they they all followed there, Rose.
00:55:52
Exactly.
00:55:53
Like I said, I would, uh, even if they were to get this run this year, All right.
00:55:59
I think if they will need to do it a second year toe lock down the best duo, Yeah, the best duo from card, you know for sure for sure.
00:56:12
And I think we'll see how we'll see how this serious plays out.
00:56:15
I think because, like, I just want to say right now remember Jason Tatum right now, Like to me personally as a Celtic plan, Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown.
00:56:25
That's the top duo right there.
00:56:27
I mean, even if you look at Jason paid.
00:56:30
If you look at Jason Tatum numbers right now, you know he's one of the youngest players.
00:56:35
Thio average points dope.
00:56:38
But it was they think LeBron James was ranked only number three or something like that.
00:56:44
But on that list was also Kobe Bryant.
00:56:47
Um, and I forgot the other two other players that but Jason Taylor was ranked like to on that look, you know, so that there's a lot of tools.
00:56:58
Yes, that's a lot of great duels, a lot of great duels.
00:57:00
And before we get to that, I was gonna ask you guys about bam and Jimmy.
00:57:06
And when you guys rank them as the top door in the N b A.
00:57:10
Um, you know, we talked a lot about Rondo on.
00:57:13
Do you know Rondo stopping LeBron um, route to, you know, a couple a couple of more finals appearances, potentially with Celtics.
00:57:21
Uh, remember Dwight Howard that year? We had a, you know, crazy year left the magic to the finals.
00:57:28
They ended up losing to the Lakers.
00:57:30
Both teams ended up losing to the Lakers Celtics and and the Magic.
00:57:33
And then now you know both guys way.
00:57:36
Also 11 against the Lakers.
00:57:38
Yeah, right.
00:57:39
You're on the first one, you know.
00:57:40
And then and then And then, You know, the Lakers went back to back and were able to get that able to get that w revenge, that loss against against the seat.
00:57:50
So and then now we got Rondo and White teaming up with brawn toe win one Lakers, I think at this point, Ron, Paul and Dwight, they've been around the league so long.
00:58:03
Especially Dwight.
00:58:04
Like being asked team, the team, the team, the team that he eventually noticed that he needs to know his role.
00:58:12
Rondo to, uh, Rondo.
00:58:16
Rondo was always knew his role as a point guard, you know, I'm right.
00:58:20
He wasn't the guy who's gonna be like, I'm a dribble this ****, and I'm gonna give you 20 points.
00:58:26
No, that's not Rondo.
00:58:27
Rondo give you 10 points, 10 assists and maybe 10 boards.
00:58:32
You know, just cause of his reach and stuff like that.
00:58:36
Um, I think when you get to a point on time, you know the age that you are what Rondo has to be at least 1.
00:58:43
30 something already 30 2 32 right through.
00:58:50
That's what I'm saying.
00:58:51
So, like, you know, one to start being in the league for so long and you start going a team, the team, You know, you eventually, you know, start seeing keep players start falling off after they start going.
00:59:01
Team the team like, look, a Beazley.
00:59:05
Beasley went toe how maney teams and got dropped a lot.
00:59:10
A couple of times I went back to the same team he dropped, um, came back, you know, like, you know, even think of what singing from the nets are.
00:59:21
Williams find a great job.
00:59:27
Alright, Downwards.
00:59:28
They had Mark Shorter Meyer.
00:59:30
Then he went into the next.
00:59:32
Then they started trading him places.
00:59:33
And then boom just disappeared.
00:59:35
So it's just fall from grace. Is is crazy.
00:59:39
Mhm Like as faras Rondo goes, I think Rondo eventually just learned to roll, And, uh and it was like, you know, this is a chance for me to get another ring like it was for the Celtics, and I think Rondo would probably be like the first player toe actually have a team on have a ring with the Celtics and the Lakers.
01:00:03
Yeah, Yeah, I don't think I can't think of anyone at the top of my right now.
01:00:09
Yeah, so when we're both franchises, that'd be that'd be pretty.
01:00:12
That's a that's a different feet.
01:00:14
And I think he's already top eight and playoff all time and assists.
01:00:18
And so you know he's trying to.
01:00:21
He's trying to get in that in that hole.
01:00:23
Potentially.
01:00:25
Dwight voice already A lot.
01:00:28
Yeah, well, like I said with Dwight Howard, I think Dwight Howard just been through enough toe.
01:00:33
Finally find a team that accept him for who he is instead of always just criticizing.
01:00:38
I mean, when he was in Charlotte, he was doing great.
01:00:42
He was doing great.
01:00:43
I think they had a great stop there when he was a sharp.
01:00:45
He was averaging a double double game and stuff like that.
01:00:48
You know, um, I think Dwight Howard just finally grew and accepted the fact that you know he's not on the spotlight no more.
01:00:59
Now he's on the team that the whole team is on a spotlight, so he gets noticed with his team, you know, because think about it. Javale McGee.
01:01:07
Javale McGee was only known as the stupid, shocked in a full player I mean, he would do a lot of dumb stuff that you would be like.
01:01:14
How do you think of doing that? But you see, when he ends up on a team like the Lakers, or even Golden, stay worried.
01:01:21
You know, it made him look better than what he always wants.
01:01:25
You know, he was always a great athletic player, but, you know, he never accept that fact.
01:01:31
Well, no.
01:01:32
One second, now that he's getting older.
01:01:36
You know, you kind of just take your part on that team now, and you're gonna do what you have to dio mhm for sure.
01:01:44
I completely agree.
01:01:45
I think, uh, it was just, uh I think I think it's a It's a crazy parallel.
01:01:50
So crazy dynamic, You know, for those guys, you know, stop brown so many years trying to get to that chip because you know everybody.
01:01:57
Well, most most people wanted to see LeBron versus Kobe in the finals at least one time.
01:02:02
You know, both of them were in their prime, you know, Unfortunately, we never got to see that.
01:02:06
And, you know, those two guys were, you know, the main reasons.
01:02:09
So for now, for them to the help LeBron get a championship in 2020 is like, you know, it's it's pretty crazy and I I think you know both for exactly for Kobe.
01:02:21
And I think both guys, um I played a big role in this playoffs.
01:02:25
I think Rondo coming back.
01:02:26
Especially that Houston Siri's, which was big time missing. Big place.
01:02:30
Houston.
01:02:31
I mean, against against every as well, uh, helps him a lot better. Exactly.
01:02:36
Exactly. Now he's able to pose close.
01:02:38
He's able to be in that closing five for the Lakers because he could space the floor.
01:02:41
And then you just another playmaker.
01:02:43
Soberon could play more off the ball.
01:02:45
Um, you know, Hey, already has a great chemistry with a D during that time in New Orleans.
01:02:50
So he's a great piece, man.
01:02:52
He's a great piece on, uh, on Dwight.
01:02:56
Same thing.
01:02:57
You know, Dwight's averaging seven and seven, so if he has started minutes, I mean be a double.
01:03:00
He'd be averaging a double double, just like like you said in Charlotte.
01:03:03
So, uh, you know, he's I mean, I think I think, you know, coming to this team coming toe.
01:03:09
Definitely.
01:03:10
You know, rejuvenated his career, for sure, because it was looking like it was, I think, him and mellow kind of similar, similar cir***stances, you know, stars in their prime, you know, carrying teams for multitude of years, so many years.
01:03:25
And then you try Thio.
01:03:28
Exactly.
01:03:29
Get older.
01:03:30
You try to go chase the championships, but it's just it's a little different.
01:03:34
Yeah, right.
01:03:35
Exactly on Duh.
01:03:37
You know, now you know, I think Melo found a home in Portland.
01:03:40
We'll see, depending on.
01:03:42
You know what their cap looks like.
01:03:44
But I think I think he found a solid space.
01:03:46
And even if even if it's not in Portland teams teams see that he's willing to accept the road where he could be a winning culture, as opposed to just give me the ball all the time.
01:03:54
He's willing to be.
01:03:55
Oh, I don't know.
01:03:58
Yeah, way Don't really need him, e.
01:04:02
I just thought everybody to pull up, right? Exactly.
01:04:06
I think I mean, I think I could use I could use Howard.
01:04:08
I think, you know, we've been talking about, you know, you're getting Howard 2017.
01:04:14
So it's like, I mean, the Celtics were always and and talk for these big.
01:04:19
So if you think about it, um, like, you know, I think like I told you, you know, we need these bigs.
01:04:26
The Celtics needs too big to go anywhere any further.
01:04:29
They have the potential to run the East.
01:04:32
At this point, they just need the priests.
01:04:37
Definitely, Definitely.
01:04:39
Just get those pieces.
01:04:40
And, uh, yeah, like we talked about earlier.
01:04:43
They gotta get that big now.
01:04:45
One question I have for you, right, That that's not on there.
01:04:47
But the question I have for you, what ranking would you rack Brad Stevens as a coach? I'll put them.
01:04:55
I put them top top five.
01:04:57
Top seven, for sure.
01:04:58
Yeah, E.
01:05:00
I think he took a step back this year, just not being able to crack that zone.
01:05:05
I think the bubbles really messed everybody up.
01:05:08
You know, it's a It's a different environment.
01:05:11
The Celtics live off of mo mentum and stuff and this bubble or something, you have to create yourself this time.
01:05:19
You know there's no home court, there's no away court.
01:05:23
This is just neutral browns and no fans around.
01:05:27
Just these are, you know, TV screens with fans and stuff like that it's not the same, you know, you know, because like, you hear these players, I do it for the fans.
01:05:37
I do it for the fans know the fans are in around, you know, like they're there in spirit there.
01:05:41
They're on watching on TV, but they're not physically there, you know? And I think that was another part on what destroyed the Celtics.
01:05:53
It's a definitely definitely played a factor, but, I mean, even, even still, you still get to the to the conference final.
01:05:59
So a lot of promise, Um, foresees for sure.
01:06:03
Uh, let's transition to this next question.
01:06:08
Jimmy Butler and band.
01:06:09
You know, it looks like, you know, they have emerged that one of the top duels in the NBA talked about, you know, you know, clear cut do.
01:06:16
And and, uh, Tatum and Brown, where would you rank bam and and Jimmy on that list? So obviously you've got, you know, Splash Brothers.
01:06:27
You already know Top one for me.
01:06:31
It's always gonna be my big seas.
01:06:32
Jalen and Tatum.
01:06:34
Um okay.
01:06:40
Bam! And on Jimmy, Jimmy Buzzard.
01:06:45
I could see him top on top seven around that area, so we got so so we'll go.
01:06:52
So we'll go.
01:06:54
We'll go about your your number one.
01:06:56
So Brown Tatum.
01:06:58
Mhm to I would give it.
01:07:00
I'll definitely give a d on LeBron.
01:07:02
I can't I can't argue with that.
01:07:04
You know, I'm a normal LeBron hitter.
01:07:06
I can't argue with that.
01:07:07
That's a great matchup.
01:07:09
Number three.
01:07:11
I would give Murray and and some targets.
01:07:17
What about what about the state Splash Brothers Splash Brothers.
01:07:21
Uh, to be honest, I haven't seen him playing so long, but if we're talking about when they were playing and they were hitting Channel going from, like, now, going into next season, So Okay.
01:07:35
I mean, that's the case, then.
01:07:37
Like I mean, I guess they could be tough.
01:07:41
I think they're They're They're definitely top five.
01:07:43
You know, they did create a lot of things together.
01:07:46
Can't really talk bad about them.
01:07:48
I don't like them, but, you know, um, you can't knock when skills do.
01:07:54
Um, you know, there's a lot of great Dewars on here, but like I said, you know, bam and Jimmy was probably the most slept on boards.
01:08:03
You know, you heard everybody talking about oh, lebron and 80 Jalen and Tatum O calorie And you know, and on the bottle.
01:08:13
You know, everybody is hearing all these different doors.
01:08:17
But you've never heard all Jimmy and Band, right? Right.
01:08:21
If anything, the biggest news Miami had was when Andre I got came to the Miami Heat from from the Grizzlies.
01:08:29
Yeah, that was that ended up being a big move for them getting boat, getting him and Jae Crowder and that deal Exactly big time.
01:08:37
One of those guys, you know, close games for him.
01:08:40
Exactly.
01:08:41
And, um So, like I said, I'll definitely give him top six top seven around that top five around that area before this season alone.
01:08:50
I mean, again, there's a lot of duos that need to prove themselves.
01:08:53
So there are a lot of first time duo, you know, We need a second from them to see, You know, how serious is that They are They're working from Absolutely.
01:09:08
I think I got them.
01:09:12
I think top 10 top 10.
01:09:14
Um, like you said, your candy and Kyrie just just offer respect level even though they haven't played together.
01:09:23
Just just seeing what they've done already.
01:09:25
I'm not really counting it until I see it.
01:09:27
Okay? Because let's be real.
01:09:30
How many times have we seen in the MBA where it looks great on paper, but flops and games, right? Clippers, Clippers is right.
01:09:40
You know, top example right there. Exactly.
01:09:43
I mean, everything can we can look at the 12 6011.
01:09:47
2012.
01:09:48
13. Next.
01:09:50
Okay, They had who mellow they had.
01:09:55
They had older, you know, Jason Kidd.
01:09:59
They had a more Xstrata mired Chandler, you know, great on paper.
01:10:05
But when it came down to big games, you know, it just wasn't there.
01:10:11
Um, you know, You know what team? I also I forgot my top five for the duo's poor Zynga's and Luca.
01:10:22
Right? Because, like, that's what I'm saying.
01:10:24
Like, I think they're top 10 e think we'll always top 10.
01:10:29
They were always in my top 10 but I mean, you know, with this finals of parents, where I put them over some other guys, I'm not sure I'm not shirt because, you know, just have Miami place.
01:10:42
They don't They don't even though.
01:10:44
Yeah, those are their two best players, but the way they play is, you know, they spread the ball and you know it.
01:10:49
Z just a focal point of team, like a D and LeBron.
01:10:54
Yeah, but let's be real.
01:10:56
The Miami Heat.
01:10:57
They just have a bunch of great defenders.
01:10:59
We have Jae Crowder, which is a former Celtic, right? Right, But playing on top defending teams of all the time, if you really think about as of now, he played.
01:11:09
He went from Cleveland, right? I mean, went from subjects to Cleveland, right? It didn't work out in Cleveland because it wasn't able to play the way they want him to play that.
01:11:18
So what they did was they sent him to Utah.
01:11:22
Utah is not the best offensive team, but I can tell you they're one of the most offensive teams in the NBA and J Crowded fit perfect on that team.
01:11:33
Now, if you had to bring Jae Crowder back to the east of Miami, Miami Heat is just another Utah.
01:11:40
Jai's just with probably a little more effective scorn.
01:11:45
You know, you know, um, and the defensive strategy works perfectly fine with him because, like I said, like, you know, not to jump off subject, I see this one question that you have here right about Andre.
01:11:59
You got about being a Hall of Famer? Yes, Hall of Famer Off.
01:12:04
Right? Right to me.
01:12:06
I remember growing up back in, like, 2011 when he was in Philly, right when he was in fairly.
01:12:13
I always called him a watered down LeBron.
01:12:17
And the reason why I called them on water down LeBron because he couldn't do great.
01:12:21
He couldn't shoot at all at that time, he But he was dunking on 23 people like it was nothing, you know? And I think if he would have picked up his jump shot earlier, he would have been hired himself, handled with him and a I wanted definitely.
01:12:39
Man.
01:12:40
I remember those days.
01:12:41
It was doubled ai and AI.
01:12:43
Right? And you have to remember that Philly team that you was on by Yeah, Batum on their Drew holiday.
01:12:51
He had he had a lot of great players on it, but it was the third vocal players of that team on with that being said gigi and in the Miami Heat, eggy deserved that whole family title, you know, because guess what? Look, Look what he did it for for, uh for Golden State Warriors.
01:13:11
He did wonders for them when it came down to it defensively, right in Miami.
01:13:16
It just fits the same as if it was like a Utah Jazz team with Jae Crowder.
01:13:21
Defense always beats win championships because if you can't stop a star player, then you're really just taking your l offer for sure.
01:13:36
Yeah, definitely.
01:13:37
I think, man.
01:13:39
I mean, you make some great points and those are definitely points I've thought about, You know, when this not question comes up like is equal Dollar Hall of Famer.
01:13:48
But I would say so I would say so.
01:13:53
I will put him in all just just 11 because the MBA MBA Hall of Fame is a lot more lenient then, like football and baseball.
01:14:03
So just look at his, you know, look at his last.
01:14:08
I mean, his last time in his last eight or nine years e mean by LeBron.
01:14:14
He's still great. Yeah.
01:14:17
Hey, want finals? M v p.
01:14:19
Uh, He's meant to the All Star Game.
01:14:20
I think maybe once or twice has a gold medal.
01:14:22
Uh, you know, everywhere he's been ever since you know his his last year in Philadelphia.
01:14:27
He had, you know, the Nuggets, where they wanted 50 something games.
01:14:30
When he was there before he got, he got traded to Golden State.
01:14:33
You know, five straight finals appearances with Golden State.
01:14:37
Now, you know, six now, like, let me just talk to my nineties in on the heat.
01:14:40
So, uh, hey, has a winning identity is a winning player.
01:14:44
Uh, you know, like you said, he's made some key plays.
01:14:47
Andi these in this postseason.
01:14:50
So I think I think he will.
01:14:51
Then even though he doesn't have, he doesn't have the numbers, like, you know, the old time Now he doesn't have the scoring and things like that.
01:14:58
But like you said, if he was able to If you had that jump shot earlier, that's like Steve Nash.
01:15:03
Stop Steve Nash, Great player.
01:15:06
You know, he did his thing, but compared to numbers wise, So a lot of these great players, you know it's there, but it's not their wives, right? You know.
01:15:18
What I'm saying, though, is it's like a there's numbers that don't show, you know, And that's what I was saying about Horford, right? You know, people will be like oh al Horford ass.
01:15:29
He can only score about 10 points.
01:15:31
Okay, that's cool.
01:15:33
He could score those 10 points, whatever, you know, But they're not talking about how many times he got eternal, how many times he turned over the ball or how many times he stolen or how many picks he said or how Maney, you know, there's numbers that are that.
01:15:49
I mean, if you look at numbers, you see the VA roster, you see who improves the roster, meaning, like, you know, you put LeBron James on a great stop team is gonna make everybody look great.
01:16:02
You know, you put Iggy on a great defensive team, he's gonna be a great defensive play.
01:16:09
Doesn't matter about age.
01:16:10
Doesn't matter not about any of that, because he might not be able to do what he was doing when he was in Philly and all that.
01:16:16
But he can still give you numbers on defense.
01:16:21
And that is the most important part because defense is what wins games when when the end of it comes down, if the score is 1 12 1 12 right, you want you to guard one of your best players, their best players because he's gonna be in their face.
01:16:38
So with that being said, that's why I would get from that Hall of Fame.
01:16:41
Like you said, it's not know football.
01:16:43
It's not know kickboxing and you know it's it's harder for you.
01:16:49
It's easier for you to get a Hall of Fame.
01:16:51
But where Nikki is like, you think it's out of respect that he gets because he was there and he provided good numbers for all of the players.
01:17:00
Definitely, definitely.
01:17:02
Um, yeah, s so that that wraps it up for our story lines of the finals.
01:17:10
I'm not gonna gettinto more like basketball exits.
01:17:12
And those keys to victory provoked both teams.
01:17:15
And what what? You know what the Lakers need to do? Thio win this championship and Miami needs to do to win the championship.
01:17:24
So, you know, we talked a little bit about the zone, talked about how you know the Celtics struggled with Miami's 2 to 3 zone.
01:17:33
Well, the offense was very stagnant when it wasn't able to really move the ball, get guys, get guys on the team, great shots, settling for ISO ISO place.
01:17:43
What do you think the Lakers need to do? Thio crack Miami's uh 23 zone.
01:17:50
They got to continue playing the team ball.
01:17:51
It's just like how we play to, you know, when we play against players that go against us at 33 we just gotta keep passing the ball and, you know, create shots for one another.
01:18:03
You know, you have great players, all your players to shoot threes except maybe your centers on the Lakers.
01:18:12
But even if that's the case, you still have 80.
01:18:15
Who could shoot, man the to the three point as well, Osama, Um, they need, uh They might need to slow down on double teams because the Lakers our team that you don't want a double team anyone.
01:18:32
Because when you leave one open, there's another problem behind that one problem that you're facing.
01:18:37
You know, you double team a d, right? You boom past LeBron boom passed around the boom.
01:18:44
You know, you still have these other threats for even Caruso.
01:18:48
You know, you just gotta do it.
01:18:51
So my what Miami needs to dio is focus on defense.
01:18:57
Play the 23 they gonna play the 23 play man.
01:19:01
And with that being said is, they're gonna have Thio.
01:19:04
They They're gonna have to beat Blake by getting bored just the way they beat the Celtics here on board.
01:19:09
But and that's how I see it.
01:19:12
Um, Lakers Lakers need to continue.
01:19:16
We're going to keep on passing the ball around too, you know, on.
01:19:20
And, you know, don't don't four shots, you know, because Miami will be right there behind you, forcing making you force those shots, e I agree.
01:19:35
I think I think either a deal, lebron definitely have to be on that free throw line to kind of crack that zone.
01:19:42
Or that they were Miami.
01:19:44
What they do, what they do well is you know, they zone up, and then they also close out very quickly as well.
01:19:50
Forced bad shots.
01:19:51
So I think you know, the passing is gonna have to be crisp.
01:19:56
You can't.
01:19:57
You can't, you know, have to minimize turnovers against, uh, against this Laker against this heat team.
01:20:04
They need to be able to cut to the basket.
01:20:06
I think I think, and I think some, you know, past fixed.
01:20:08
We're gonna play a factor as well, you know? Quick pass fake.
01:20:11
You know, these guys cut to the basket kind of get behind his own.
01:20:14
Uh, Dwight, Dwight and McGee.
01:20:17
You know, they continue to stand in that dunkers box on once 80 80 you need to take the money and the bam steps up.
01:20:23
I drive into those lives in there for Miami to beat the Lakers needs to be one more person that has the dominant we're gonna We're gonna get into that.
01:20:35
We're gonna get into that.
01:20:36
He's not on the court.
01:20:38
He's not on the court.
01:20:40
It's called the coach E.
01:20:44
I mean, you know, he's shown in the past what he could dio right, Miami inside. Right.
01:20:50
But again, the coach needs to stay ahead, because we you're talking about Lakers Lakers.
01:20:56
Technically, two head coaches at this point, you know, you have the original head coach, and then you have LeBron on the on the floor, you know? So he needs toe wake his players up by saying, Hey, this is the weak point.
01:21:13
And this is where you have to attack, you know, and you got to keep attacking.
01:21:17
You know, Jimmy plays physical ball, you know? And when the Celtics, I mean, the Lakers gonna have toe fix.
01:21:26
That is trying to fall into foul trouble at all, you know, because you know, if foul trouble comes in with a D or anyone else, that's a big loss on Blazers.
01:21:41
You know? Um you know, like I said, it's right now retired from the players.
01:21:46
It's really a game of the head coaches.
01:21:48
And it's a game of chest, you know? I agree.
01:21:53
Yeah, it is definitely, definitely definitely a chess match.
01:21:57
This big, big chess match with both head coaches and, um, and mind you, one head coach knows the player like the back of his hand.
01:22:07
I mean, obviously LeBron Brown.
01:22:08
Since then, you know, a lot has changed from then.
01:22:12
But again, you know, the best LeBron years, in my opinion, were the Miami Heat.
01:22:18
LeBron Yeah, for sure.
01:22:20
That was Yeah, that was his prime.
01:22:22
Oh, yeah.
01:22:24
And this this, this this goes right into the second question.
01:22:27
I mean, the Spoelstra have the formula and slow because of the, you know, the previous relationship.
01:22:33
I don't think so.
01:22:36
I don't think he has.
01:22:37
Hey, might have a formula, but it might not be the greatest formula.
01:22:44
You know, LeBron changed over years and years and years.
01:22:48
You know, you can't say LeBron James spent toe one place style every season.
01:22:55
You know, the plane making that's fundamental.
01:22:59
You know, the first thing you learn to do when you play basketball? How ball on impact, You know, um, but they don't tell you.
01:23:09
Okay, Well, LeBron James conduct.
01:23:11
I mean, we gotta stop him now.
01:23:12
You don't forget LeBron James to shoot threes now? Yeah, that's what's gonna have to do is gonna be up there.
01:23:17
He's gonna have to be able to shoot the ball.
01:23:19
Well, in this Siri's without play the post game and again, Same thing, Like I said for the for for, uh, for Miami.
01:23:26
You know, they don't They can't afford to be in foul trouble.
01:23:31
They cannot, you know? You know, Miami has probably the better defending team, right? And that's where they're gonna have toe.
01:23:41
I mean, in my I think Miami has a better defending team on the perimeter.
01:23:46
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
01:23:49
So, like, you know, it's gonna be a match of a band and Davis, right? And then, you know who else, uh, you're gonna have Jimmy and probably LeBron.
01:24:03
Yeah, you know, So It's like if you if you get into power trouble, you know you're pretty stuck and drives you has to do the same thing he did for the Celtics.
01:24:12
And Tyler has to do the same thing that he's been doing for the whole place.
01:24:18
You know, again, you can't afford being foul trouble against neither of these teams because that could be the biggest cause of the loss for any of the teams.
01:24:31
But as far as the Coach Coast, it can't.
01:24:34
He has to stay one step ahead.
01:24:38
And that's why I say it has to be a game of chess because you have tow kind of read LeBron before anything yet the hope LeBron not having a hot day where he can just look on the floor and shoot a three.
01:24:49
I don't know it, you know you brought has to step up and no doubt about it, you have to be able to step up in the Siri's.
01:24:59
Um, not knocking down shots is gonna be key, like LeBron.
01:25:04
I mean any green KCP.
01:25:06
I mean, they've been, you know, they've been ridiculed, you know, this whole entire playoffs for their lack of shooting and you know from its Like I seen that mean like, this is the home.
01:25:16
It's just, uh, greens highlights.
01:25:18
And it just showed one.
01:25:19
Picture him bouncing the ball.
01:25:21
It was like a zoo. The end. Yeah, exactly.
01:25:23
He's been getting, He's been getting ripped, he's been gonna rip.
01:25:25
And it's like, my thing is, thank you.
01:25:28
If you're white, you're wide open.
01:25:29
I mean, you've never been more open and your career playing with, you know, LeBron Anthony Davis.
01:25:34
Even last year when you were playing with just co I even on this maybe even on that, maybe the Spurs.
01:25:39
But you know, you gotta you have to double LeBron a a d so much better get try to get the ball out of the hands.
01:25:45
So kcp Kuzma uh, Green.
01:25:50
Those guys have the Caruso to.
01:25:51
Those guys have to be able to knock down shots.
01:25:53
Markieff Morris.
01:25:55
They have to be able to knock down shots because that's that's gonna That's gonna be the factor, especially against that zone, because they because honestly, what they're gonna do is just try toe try, try to crap, uh, really try to zone in on on a D and Brown and kind of force those guys to make those shots and live with that if they if they knock down shots.
01:26:14
And I think you know this area could be over really quickly.
01:26:17
If not, I think that it could It could extend, um, for a few more games.
01:26:23
Eso you know, we talked about Oh, then I asked the answer.
01:26:28
That question does Does he have the formula? I mean, yeah.
01:26:34
I mean, yes and yes and no.
01:26:35
But like you said, LeBron is, you know, has improved as a player.
01:26:37
Definitely improved outside shooting.
01:26:39
So I mean, he's, you know, he's seen a lot of film on LEBRON, maybe more than any coach, just because of the relationship they have.
01:26:46
But, uh, you know, LEBRON like like LeBron will have to be able to play in the post a little bit more play on that elbow.
01:26:53
That's another way you could crack that zone.
01:26:55
It's the free throw, Andi.
01:26:58
Just You can win when you're playing on the elbow, playing in the post, you can't really zone.
01:27:02
You can't really zone up like that.
01:27:03
Kind of come just come back to men.
01:27:05
It's just everything.
01:27:07
So e, don't I don't think he has.
01:27:09
The formula has some some things that could definitely make it tough.
01:27:13
You have the outline.
01:27:15
Here's the Here's the line.
01:27:16
How is gonna play? I mean, we'll see.
01:27:18
I think this this first game would be a real test to see what you know, what the heat do defensively.
01:27:24
Because LeBron does like Thio, you know, set the screen and try to get the mismatch on the switch.
01:27:30
Andi, you know, try to take advantage of that switch if he has a mismatch, so you know he's been doing that.
01:27:35
He's been doing that for years and you gotta got like a D as the guy setting the screen who could pop and control.
01:27:41
It's very, very difficult.
01:27:43
So I think that's why I think that's why you know they're gonna Mandy might have might have a problem.
01:27:48
Eso let's Let's transition to a diverse has been talking about a little bit, you know, to Kentucky guys both.
01:27:54
Both we played especially well in this playoffs.
01:27:57
They kind of have the same similar place called Well, um, obviously a being in the league a lot a little longer, you know, experience wise and stuff like that as well.
01:28:09
I mean, Olympic finals and everything.
01:28:13
You know, Of course I d has probably more I Q and stuff compared to bam.
01:28:20
Um, bam just needs.
01:28:21
Like I said, play defense the way he's been doing playing tight clothes, um, protecting the paint like he did against Jalen Brown.
01:28:30
I'm Jason Tatum with that.
01:28:31
That that great blocked by him for the dunk.
01:28:34
You know, um, that is gonna be really great matchup.
01:28:40
Like I said, that that's a matchup that there can be no foul troubles in, you know, because if you lose a d, then you know you obviously you have your name again.
01:28:50
Yeah, you have Dwight Howard, but that's just limiting the space on the floor now, Without a doubt, it is gonna be interesting matchup because, you know, Obama is really their center 80 placed forward.
01:29:04
Eso You know, I want to see if you know Miami If they bring out, you know, Meyers.
01:29:09
Leonard, if they play our clinic a little bit more, put Olynyk at the floor being at the five.
01:29:14
And it kind of switch off like that because it might If the Lakers keep, they keep their big lineup.
01:29:19
Either have Dwight and McGee Garden.
01:29:23
I think it's gonna be It's gonna be tough.
01:29:25
I think I think band the A D band matchup is really good.
01:29:28
They have their like You said they have some of the skills. Skill sets.
01:29:31
Um, a D is a much better shooter right now.
01:29:35
Um, you know, But they both have high I Q.
01:29:37
You know, they you know, the heat.
01:29:39
They played through Ben, especially on that elbow.
01:29:41
Guys able to cut, move off the ball, cut to the basket.
01:29:44
He's able to see them.
01:29:45
Um, he's the highest this guy for to me, you know, he's a 2nd, 2nd best passing big man, um, in the league after Yokich.
01:29:53
So, um you know, he's definitely he's definitely high.
01:29:56
I Q basketball players.
01:29:57
So it's gonna be a matchup, I think.
01:29:59
I think I think it's really gonna be similar.
01:30:01
Toe the nuggets a little bit.
01:30:03
Dwight on him.
01:30:04
I think they should.
01:30:05
I think they should start Dwight tonight.
01:30:07
Uh, Howard, our own band kind of take a little bit of defense impression of a D that once the fourth quarter comes around, uh, 10 a.
01:30:14
D.
01:30:15
Could you know play band and be a little bit more fresh to be able to make, to make sense on the other end and be able to stop them from from scoring.
01:30:22
So, um, you know it's gonna be a fun matchup.
01:30:24
I can't wait.
01:30:25
I mean whoever, Whoever whoever plays, whoever plays well, it's definitely gonna play a play.
01:30:31
A factor in swinging the Siri's so looking forward to tonight.
01:30:35
In that aspect, who needs to be the third guy on either team Thio to make an impact to increase the increased 13 increase their teams chances in winning the championship? We'll start with the Lakers.
01:30:48
Who needs to be that third guy You got got Barkey a right, But who's going? Who should be that who you think is gonna be that third guy in this Siri's that's going to step up? To be honest, my A.
01:31:01
It needs to be green or Koosman.
01:31:03
One of those, Um, I'm going with more green because he has more experience at times like this.
01:31:11
He needs toe fit in that role, what he's known for doing defending and do it right now.
01:31:18
You could be just a great defender, but you need to be that third guy, you know, especially when they're missing a talent like every Bradley big loss.
01:31:26
You know, if that's a big loss, you know, and with that being said, you know, you have to be the third guy.
01:31:34
You know, you have to make these places.
01:31:36
You can't just be all right.
01:31:38
Well, I'm just shooting defend.
01:31:39
No, you need to do more than that.
01:31:41
You need to play, make you need to shoot.
01:31:42
You need to defend.
01:31:44
No, you have to get there on time, you know, and not know shots down because, like you said, LeBron James get you as open as there is No tomorrow.
01:31:51
You could see down.
01:31:52
The block has opened us here.
01:31:54
You know the reason why you're breaking consistent theories wide open.
01:31:59
I get it.
01:32:00
Maybe sometimes you're just nervous.
01:32:02
You know, You don't think you're gonna be expected to be that open.
01:32:04
But now it's becoming who come? Yeah, and so on from Miami.
01:32:11
Third person.
01:32:12
Besides, you know, bam and, uh, Jeremy, right? I think it needs to be more than three people that need to do what they have to do on that team toe win.
01:32:22
against a team like the Lakers in my team.
01:32:25
In my opinion, Herro needs to be that third.
01:32:30
And Dragic needs to be that force.
01:32:33
You know, I'm not saying you have to score 30 points.
01:32:36
Now, I'm not saying that at all, but I'm saying you have to make those green light plates when it's time to come.
01:32:44
So the Lakers they need, you know, like I said, they need how? Whose mother they need great to do with as a third.
01:32:50
They need to be the third scores on the same thing with the heat, Arrow and geologic.
01:32:57
Need to be the either the third or fourth scores.
01:33:01
Yeah, I agree with that, I think.
01:33:05
Yeah.
01:33:06
Casey Casey, Me, they're I mean, they're the situation really similar.
01:33:11
I mean, it's really gonna come.
01:33:12
They have, but they have a bunch of guys that could make shots.
01:33:15
Um, I have a couple of guys I could score.
01:33:18
I don't think so.
01:33:20
But for the Lakers Yeah, I would like to see Koosman have a have a really good Siri's.
01:33:25
I think his I think his time with the team is really dependent on this on this.
01:33:30
Siri's right here if he plays well, I think they might be looking looking forward, they might be able to keep him.
01:33:35
Um, if not, I think they might potentially move him to try to get a more consistent third piece.
01:33:41
Uh, para LeBron a d as LeBron gets a little bit older.
01:33:45
Um, so it's a big This is this is a big serious for him.
01:33:49
Green, green, KCP, those guys, you know, in one year this, um but you look at what the Lakers, you know, gave up to get acquire a d.
01:33:58
You know, they kept Kuzma in the hopes that, you know, he would be that third guy to step up big time shots.
01:34:03
So here we are on the finals.
01:34:05
I mean, this is this is a big opportunity for him.
01:34:07
If he's able to knock down shots, he completely and not just knock down shots.
01:34:11
He has to play defense as well.
01:34:12
Of course, you had some had some good moments.
01:34:14
When when they first started the bubble Onda playoffs.
01:34:17
You know, he's kind of kind of lobster.
01:34:20
Yeah, exactly.
01:34:21
Against against Denver? Yeah, he kind of like a little bit.
01:34:23
And, uh, and some some areas in the playoffs.
01:34:27
Uh, kind of kind of seeing like Marcus Morris kind of got some of his minutes.
01:34:31
Caruso got a little bit more his minutes.
01:34:34
So, um, to me, he should be.
01:34:36
He should be in that closing five eso it's on.
01:34:40
It's on him to step up and and and it really be a big time big time player.
01:34:45
He put the ball on the floor and create for himself if need be.
01:34:48
He's not a great ball handler, but he's able to cut to the basket.
01:34:51
You could do the most good things, so I would.
01:34:53
I would like to see him be that third guy and and in this Siri's and step up, try to get at least least around 15 15 to 18.
01:35:01
Uh, you know, Rhonda's gonna do this thing.
01:35:05
He's gonna get you, like, 97 and eight.
01:35:08
So, uh, from Miami? Yeah, definitely.
01:35:12
Dragic and Hero have to be those guys and stuff up, uh, heroin, that, like I said, hero and heroine and Kuzma, those were the two guys coming off the bench.
01:35:21
So But you see, that's where the difference what this is higher was what first year you know Kumar has been here for what, Three years? Four years? You know.
01:35:32
So this should be no reason.
01:35:34
You know entirely.
01:35:36
You know, this is the first year, you know, expect rookie mistakes.
01:35:41
Um, but they need to be out of minimum.
01:35:44
Yeah, for sure for sure.
01:35:46
That's why I think Yeah, him and judging them together, uh, kind of equal is one.
01:35:50
I think they need Teoh have a good Siri's.
01:35:53
Uh, if Miami wants toe when the championship.
01:35:59
This title is going to be a challenge for both teams on.
01:36:06
I'm telling you right now beside operative is gonna be battled defensive and because they're gonna have to stop each other.
01:36:15
So that goes right.
01:36:16
That goes right into my, uh, second to the last question.
01:36:19
What do you think is the defensive head coach between Spoelstra and vocal? I mean, both of them against each other.
01:36:28
Right again.
01:36:31
This is where again, A battle of the trust game.
01:36:37
You know, you have to stay one up.
01:36:38
If lebron is hot, you need to figure out how to slow him down a little bit.
01:36:42
But if these hot you need to learn how to slow him down a little bit.
01:36:45
Um, same thing.
01:36:46
If Jimmy's hot, you need to learn how to slow him all your band is how you slow him down.
01:36:51
Same thing we're arrow and drop, you know, because the difference between the Lakers recently and when the heat, the heat starting five been doing big plays Lakers maybe three out of five.
01:37:09
We're doing great place and doing numbers.
01:37:12
You see what I'm saying, right? But if they managed, LeBron is, obviously wherever he's guarding is gonna be a tough game.
01:37:20
Whoever whoever you know you're playing, Jimmy is gonna be a tough game.
01:37:26
Regarded them, you know.
01:37:28
So again, it's just a battle of interesting.
01:37:33
Yeah, like you said, I think, and it's gonna be It's gonna be a tough battle because you know, Spoelstra, Spoelstra and vote, you know they have.
01:37:42
They have a history, you know, specials with the Pacers when it was PG.
01:37:45
Wherever David West they have.
01:37:47
They have some dogs over there on that team, and they really predicated on defense.
01:37:50
And Miami is always, always, always been a defensive team.
01:37:53
So, um, I think I'll go, I'll go with I'll go with Spoelstra just because he's won the championships.
01:38:03
Um, but I think I think Bogle now having that type of talent with with the defense of Ike, he could potentially make, you know, make a case, as you know, being it also, you know, excellent defensive head coach.
01:38:18
So I'll go with Spoelstra right now because he already has the chips.
01:38:21
Um, even then, you know, and they and they were really undersized as well.
01:38:25
They didn't really have a true shot blocking center during LeBron's time in Miami.
01:38:31
You know, they were kind of just we're great on the perimeter and then got transition points and turning turnovers into buckets.
01:38:37
Yeah, has them, but hasn't not really hasn't Wasn't really like a you know, shot blocker Joel Anthony.
01:38:43
They kind of had, like a you know, journeymen Biggs, journeymen five.
01:38:46
But then I remember a big right.
01:38:52
Thank you.
01:38:53
Because the remember Chris Bosh is one of the reasons why Brown got one of those.
01:38:57
Yeah, he got He had a big block on the any green.
01:38:59
Yeah, in that game six for sure, for sure.
01:39:05
You know, um, I see one question that you have here.
01:39:09
Yeah, the the who You know, the key victories for the first right? It's like we just say right.
01:39:21
Miami can't get into foul trouble.
01:39:24
Lakers can't get into college trouble.
01:39:26
They have to play tight on each other on they need to know how to stop one another.
01:39:30
Again.
01:39:31
This game is gonna be to me, uh, Game six, game seven, just like I predicted for the Celtics.
01:39:37
Um, I don't think it's gonna be a Z.
01:39:41
Zia's everybody all Lakers got this one to work.
01:39:44
It's not gonna work like that, because the way Jimmy plays, it's not gonna work like that.
01:39:49
You know, he's a real physical player.
01:39:51
He has a chance to put more in foul trouble day in and day out.
01:39:55
I think that is the focal point is.
01:39:58
Could try Thio get the licorice into foul trouble to not get their their you know their elite players out, or get them to go the place off for those elite players.
01:40:08
You know again, if you have you get managed to get a D into foul trouble, then at that moment you have a D.
01:40:16
You have Dwight Howard and be running the four or five and again that's only through shooters on the team right there and then And you know where the heat, You know, they can all shoot, rip.
01:40:28
Exactly.
01:40:29
Yeah, most of them.
01:40:30
Exactly. Most of them could shoot one through five.
01:40:32
Sure.
01:40:33
Um, I think the keys to victory for game one with some great points.
01:40:37
Uh, outside shooting for sure.
01:40:41
Especially for the Lakers.
01:40:42
Uh, they they have to be able to hit shots that we talked about in a couple of the topics to be able to knock down shots because they're gonna be open, be open there on I don't and they need to be.
01:40:55
And then someone they put the ball on the floor to Because, like I said, Miami like that.
01:40:58
They close out really quick once, once, once.
01:41:00
LeBron, once those guys kick it out.
01:41:02
Once they see the open guy, they closed out very fast.
01:41:05
So you put the ball on the floor a little bit, moved the ball a little bit more.
01:41:09
They can't The ball just can't just stay in one place, they move the ball, people just move.
01:41:14
I think you know, I think the most condition team in this Siri's is gonna win, and because it's gonna be.
01:41:20
It's gonna be constant nonstop moving from both teams.
01:41:23
So exactly, very physical.
01:41:26
So who's ever as I'm saying that that that comes down the conditioning as well? So who's evermore condition, you know, for for 48 minutes? Um, I think I think it's gonna come out with this w who you've got winning tonight and then when you got, uh, we're in the finals.
01:41:40
Like I said earlier on LeBron James, Miami East side always heard.
01:41:45
So how many games I think the game is gonna go upto.
01:41:51
I'm giving it to Miami.
01:41:52
Game six games up.
01:41:55
All right.
01:41:56
And what about tonight? You think the e think I think with the hunger and motivation that Jimmy has right now clean, you know, we're not the under dollars in this team, even though clearly, on paper, they look, that's what they look like.
01:42:09
They are the underdogs.
01:42:11
I think he's going to go in tonight and show them that he's not an underdog, that he hasn't slept since.
01:42:16
He's been drafted from Chicago Bulls.
01:42:19
You know, him and Derrick Rose.
01:42:21
That probably could have been another Jordan and Pippen right there.
01:42:24
You know, if it wasn't for the injuries and stuff like that.
01:42:27
Same thing with Joakim Noah.
01:42:29
Joakim Noah was also a great in that in that bull.
01:42:33
So I think, um, Jimmy has a lot to prove, you know, from a lot of out from him coming from Chicago to Minnesota from Minnesota, toe Philadelphia and all these players, people are saying, Oh, he's a bad sportsmanship, bad toxic player.
01:42:49
Um, I think he's gonna show tonight that he can play with the best for even for even, you know, whatever.
01:43:00
Not in time, he said.
01:43:01
Like I said, he's a physical player.
01:43:03
Hey, proven himself inside and not, you know, game after game.
01:43:07
He shoved What capable of doing, you know, so again me, I'm going with the lake.
01:43:15
I'm going with Miami tonight on I'm going with, um like I said, Game six camps up.
01:43:20
All right, I'm going with well, with the Lakers and this one in this game, I think, uh, I think they make the first they get the first w uh I think game was very important.
01:43:33
I mean, LeBron LeBron hasn't is not hasn't really been that great in game.
01:43:36
Once on his finals there, his finals run.
01:43:41
I think he's like one and eight or something like that.
01:43:44
So so e think that's an important game to come out and get this w So I think I think the Lakers get the W today and my father's prediction.
01:43:54
I'm going with the Lakers and six, thank you.
01:43:57
I just think that they have the size they have the they don't you? They have decided, have the i.
01:44:03
Q.
01:44:04
I think both both teams have fine like you, but I think the person personnel wise, I think you know, the Lakers have have the bigs like we talked about the kind of also have a band bus on make it tough for him and they got so yeah, I don't I don't know Why hasn't really played? Uh, Maybe he might play in this Siri's.
01:44:25
I think that be that would be a different dynamic.
01:44:28
Sent him at him at four before Yeah, exactly.
01:44:33
I mean, I thought, you know, they would do something like that.
01:44:35
I mean, they've kind of gone against some teams that, uh don't that when they really they really didn't didn't need him because, you know, Brook Lopez, the outside big house Turner.
01:44:46
You know he shoots.
01:44:47
He should be more of an inside being, but he stands on the three point line and the things don't have a big, so we might see him in a Siri's.
01:44:54
I think he might.
01:44:55
If he is able to play the Siri's.
01:44:56
I think that would that would make a big factor.
01:44:58
How much? How much is the fact that we'll see but right right now.
01:45:03
But you know, before everything starts, I'm still going with the Lakers.
01:45:07
I think you know Dwight and Dwight and Javal, and they have ability to rebound the ball as well, get put backs and they have high I Q.
01:45:17
I mean, they do a great job doing a great job of standing that Duncan box regional.
01:45:21
I'm treating my knees because of experience as faras championships with ultra, you know, uh, you gotta think.
01:45:29
But the Lakers have it, too, But LeBron Rondo, Yeah, but I'm talking about Coach wife right now.
01:45:35
I think I told you it's gonna be battle of the cultures and the end of it, Um because they both need to stay up one step ahead of one another.
01:45:43
They need to know LeBron James Next move.
01:45:45
They need to know that a d s next moving the same way they need to know Jimmy's and bands next month.
01:45:50
You know, um, at this point, I think it's just besides from the i Q.
01:45:56
And besides from the players, it's also what a battle of the coaches as well for sure for sure.
01:46:04
Definitely.
01:46:06
Um, uh, yeah, that's gonna That's definitely gonna play a factor.
01:46:09
But I still think, you know, even though the Miami obviously has the better coach, I think the Lakers just happening better duo.
01:46:17
And now they got, you know, two of the top guys in the NBA and then both of them able to score 30 and those other guys make shots is gonna be tough and that if they have to rebound, the ball rebounded.
01:46:27
The ball is gonna be huge in this Siri's, uh, minimizing second chance points for Miami is gonna be huge.
01:46:32
So I got the Lakers in six.
01:46:35
I see a lot of people Lakers in five.
01:46:36
I think I think Miami is, uh, you know, they're really good just sleeping on them, but I think it's gonna be some close games.
01:46:43
I don't think we're gonna steal out of blowouts on.
01:46:46
It's gonna come down the you know who's gonna be that closer.
01:46:50
And I just trust Brown a d just because they're just better players.
01:46:54
So yeah.
01:46:56
Alright, that wraps it up, guys, for this episode of the garden pod NBA Finals edition, Shaun T.
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01:47:05
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C.
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J James back with another episode this episode We're gonna be covering the NBA Finals here with my guys.
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My brothers.
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Man, we got T J. Luke.
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Uh, yeah, yes, yes, sir.
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My brothers man spent a long time get on the podcast, I think.
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Sean, we was on the podcast, I think last year.
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Um, yeah, that's when we were talking about Derrick Rose when I told him that he should come.
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Sixth man.
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Uh huh.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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So So, yeah, we're gonna be covering.
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We're gonna be covering this episode.
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We're gonna be talking about the MBA finals.
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Got the Lakers and the heat should be a great matchup.
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Um, but first off guard, cover some a couple of topics.
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Let's talk about the big news of Doc Rivers getting fired.
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Uh, TJ, what's your what's your thoughts on that? After the you know, the Clippers collapse, Being up 31 against the nuggets and fold them, man and seven.
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Um, that's kind of a big one for Doc Rivers.
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Uh, I feel like he could have stayed another year.
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It wasn't necessarily his fault.
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Um, yeah, in the sense of players didn't short.
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You can't really blame the coach.
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If players don't show up, the coach could only do but so much.
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You could give rotation here and there.
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But, I mean, the guys didn't show up, so I really shot bad within the last 23 games in the Siri's p.
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Jesus PG was just Yeah, he was just non existent throughout the whole Siri's ***, even **** near the whole playoff, he was non existent.
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Eso it's just like co.
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I carried them all the way until he was gassed out and what I'm saying and feel like Doc Rivers did what he could, but they just didn't have enough firepower.
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Thio withstand what they were going through.
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So, um, as far as the Clippers letting him go out, no, that's a 50 50 for me.
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Um, I didn't really see who they picked up yet.
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I heard there was looking at Tyrone New, but who knows? Got Sam Cassell, who was also on that on that bench with Doc.
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I mean, in my opinion, on that one, Jason Kidd.
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It's got the shock.
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It's not a shock that Doc was let go.
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It isn't his fault again, like like like like today, said you know, he said, you know the players name or what? And in my my opinion, we should have no threat that, you know, that's a bunch of, uh, what's the word on? There's a bunch of players that's on that team.
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Like, you know, you can't rely on Hawaii and Paul George every single game.
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You can't you have a point guard.
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You know Pat Bradley good on defense.
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That's great.
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But he's not all star caliber, right? He's not gonna give you the same amount of point tonight in the night out.
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Um right.
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What? Harold, you know, great, Great.
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Six minute.
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But when it comes down to a real big you know what can you honestly, dope? You know, again, You know, you gotta show in and show out at two in the playoffs.
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Open up? No.
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So you know, as far as that goes, Doc Rivers getting like So I think there's a better opportunity for him and in teams that, you know, that worked with the Doc Rivers system compared toa, you know, just staying on the Clippers where it's always the same system.
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Rely on your two all stars and that's it.
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Yeah, I mean, I think it was time.
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I think it was definitely time to let him go.
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Uh, he's been there for seven years.
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He has something that he had.
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He had a bad break in the first, uh, the first couple of years, But Chris, Paul lob city.
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You know, so much hype around that team and everybody thought they were gonna You know, that was a great team, though, because remember, you have DeAndre Jordan at that center.
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You have Blake at the floor, you know? Yeah.
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You had Johnson at one point.
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Yeah, they had some solid pieces, but they just never could, um, but yeah.
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I mean, that injuries, Blake Blake could never stay healthy.
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And Chris Paul got hurt.
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Well, yeah, now that I think about it for a long as rivers been coaching that the Clippers were having Doc Rivers and Chris Paul.
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I mean, we're having Chris Paul and and and Blake Griffin.
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Sorry.
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Um, DeAndre Jordan.
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Jamal Crawford.
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He's had quite a few pieces within the team that he's had and he hasn't produced.
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Yeah, but you have to also remember, that's the West that we're talking about, regardless, regardless, when you when you when you when you Exactly what I was about to say.
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When you look at when you look at what they were doing, they would look at this top prospects coming out of the West.
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So for them to not succeed year after year after year, and you being the head coach coming from winning chips in Boston now you can't produce.
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You can't even produce finals appearance.
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Exactly understand that.
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That's different, because the difference with the Celtics is that the Celtics weren't barely injured like that, even as old as they work.
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Where when she Yeah, once he joined the Clippers, right? Chris Paul was going down every time they even got close to the playoffs.
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Like girlfriends.
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Leg was just done by the time mid season and DeAndre Jordan was really left by himself, you know, with Jamal Crawford.
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And you know, I'm not saying that's a bad technique, but in the end, the gate, they're not the players that you're gonna see 2030 points from right, you're going to see maybe 15 maybe one game.
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Maybe next game might see, you know, a double double.
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Maybe you know less the next game.
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You know, So Doc Rivers on the Clippers.
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It's like you can compare it to the Celtics because you did have a great team like they had.
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But the thing was, is that again? Healthwise the Celtics, who are always a better team? Chemistry around? I mean, look, you had Rondo at the one great point guard.
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Actually, he's probably the only point guard that's still like an old school point guard pass first, right? Ray Allen? Right.
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That spot up shooter, Right, Pierce, you know, great big time when it came down to him and then, you know, you had Kate, you had K G on the bottom.
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That was just picking everybody up.
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That's a fact.
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True, that's a fact. And that's what I'm saying.
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Like I feel like you know, his time.
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His time with the Clippers, were it then? I mean, I think they need a new voice in there.
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Especially after hearing what you know, Paul, George and the teammates of the Clippers.
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You know, they he was trying to give them, like, a motivational speech after they folded.
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You know, the players, they wasn't there really weren't trying because he did.
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He didn't He didn't show up at all.
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So it's just like how you try to give a motivational speech.
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And throughout the whole thing, you were quiet.
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You get I'm saying like he was I don't know, like PG to me.
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PG just didn't show up.
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He wasn't PG.
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I don't think PG is the same PG he used to be after injury.
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No, I don't even think that.
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I think as far as PG goes like, um, PG is always gonna be a good player, great player that have on the court.
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But he's not someone again.
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Like like he's not know LeBron.
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He's not.
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He's not know somebody who, you know, can create every single she's starting Before he started, he's starting to fall back into a role play.
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The role exactly.
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Used to be a one like we talked about like an Indianapolis.
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He was the one, no doubt about it on then.
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Okay, See, he was kind of like the one A because because he could do some things that Westbrook couldn't do.
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And then then now you know he's the two, and it's like I feel like his role.
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I just feel like I don't I don't know.
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I don't know what his mindset playing e.
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I don't think he has a solid position, even if it's not having a solid position.
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I don't I don't I don't think a person should be the position because at the end of the day, a day, end of the day, at the end of the day, it's multiple people that have run different positions.
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You know what I'm saying? So e I want me per se I wouldn't say position.
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It's more so on consistency and a game game play.
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Do you understand how, how, how, how fluid is his rhythm? How consistent is he? I mean, that's like example.
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We could talk about Gordon Hayward because they almost have similar injuries, you know, and for look, even when Gordon Hayward is on the floor, you know it's still a big impact change.
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Whether he's 100% or whether he's, you know, that that all depends on that.
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All depends on the player because not every player, not every players like that.
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But you see now, now what happens is when you put PG on a team like the Clippers.
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E think before two guys stuff on the fact wise defense squad is the best player.
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Quiet! It's collided.
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Hey, found out that gene wire put together.
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Thank Gold that there's gonna be a great defensive team, but you're not thinking about all the P players that are around them to that, aren't? You know, like I said, up to that college.
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You know what you expect? You expect Beverly to hit you with 20 points a game, 15 points a game.
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You know, e in my eye.
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You can't Just was like, I mean me. Okay.
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Me playing basketball, right.
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Um, I going score.
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Um, I gonna worry about a guy that can only score 10 points, maybe a game.
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Um, I'm gonna worry about these two players on the team that for maybe 20 more.
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You know, once you put your focus on why PG then who really do you have on that team? Thanks a lot.
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That's a fact.
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That's a fact.
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And I saw somebody said, Doc Rivers should be the the next six.
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Is that coach? Everybody, I think about that.
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Should the six is trying to make a move on E.
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T j. And then I'm shocking.
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I say he would be a good look for the Sixers because having been Simmons is like having another Rondo.
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You know what I'm saying, too, But he's a bigger Rondo.
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He could utilize him more and Doc Rivers place games.
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I've always worked when he's had a point guard like that, whereas they can facilitate, They can score inside the paint.
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Your head, head, head.
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My, um they can.
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They can score inside the paint they can.
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You get him saying he can't really shoot a jump shot.
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But he could really facilitate the ball and score inside the paint one needed.
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So you give back Rivers a player like that.
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He I think he could make something out of Ben Simmons before he goes to waste.
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I think so.
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My opinion I agree with T.
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J said no, that's more of ah, like a Celtics type of team right there.
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You know you got your shooters big man and stuff like that inside and out.
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Um, the biggest fall on that team is that they have, uh, medicine and can't shoot.
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You know, he'll do a pump fake on the three point line thinking somebody's gonna jump knowing **** well he's not going to shoot No way could see it.
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We've seen it for the Celtics, and he wasn't there.
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But, like, you know, what was the last season of the season when he only scored like one point? It was a free throw, right? You know, if you stop Ben Simmons from gunning in that paint, you know all you gotta rely on at that time B and Harris.
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They need some shooters, though.
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They gotta get some shooters.
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Like when they had Red**** when they had Red****.
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And when they had Jimmy Butler, there was just on a different type of level.
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That's true.
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They spread the floor.
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So Jimmy Buckets puts his, you know, when he's on that team, you know, you may not see it because, you know, people will underestimate him and saying how toxic he was when he was in Minnesota.
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Um, but when you have somebody like Jimmy on that team, I mean, that's different, you know that.
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I mean, Doc Rivers had that team probably would have went a lot different, but Doc Rivers would be a good fit for them, or even a team.
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Like maybe Houston would be okay for for him to, you know, because that's be honest.
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Now.
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The coach for Houston, What's name the Tony or whatever the name is? Yeah, right.
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Like him.
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He's, uh, when everyone who was on the next he was all offensive coach.
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I've never seen him.
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Hey, and Tony was Yeah, he's just offensive coach, which, which is a bad thing, because it's just like defense wins games.
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You utilize.
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You utilize these players to their potential with within the offensive side.
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Okay, but what happened on the defense side? Now they have a bad shooting night and get their ass whipped because they play no defense and there's just off day on shoot.
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That's why somebody like D'Antoni is to me was never been a never a good coach, even when he was on York.
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H a man.
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You can't follow certain certain play styles because you don't have certain players that fit the play style property.
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That's all he does is rely on one star player.
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All right, all right, let's transition Thio.
00:14:02
Let's talk about the Eastern Conference finals.
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Um, uh, Celtics, Celtics and the Heat.
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He got it done in six Boston Celtics packed.
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It was, you know, most of the most of the games were really close outside of the last game.
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Um, and, uh, I think Well, actually, both I think both both Celtic Winds were pretty.
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They, you know, they did a good job.
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I think they've beaten by 10.
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Plus, you got your ass waxed and, uh, and then but those four losses, you know, they just weren't able to close.
00:14:36
So, Sean Sean, as a as a Celtic fan, give me a thoughts on the on the on the Siri's.
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Where do you see the Celtics going on From here.
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And then I let I let TJ finish up.
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In my opinion, the Celtics What? They I think what? Our main problem waas beside guarding, you know, hair, hair or whatever his name is.
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Um, we got outrebounded a lot.
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We did get out rebounded, you know? I mean, look at bam bam was going crazy.
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It Well, you know, not compared to Jenny.
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But like I said, we need way.
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Celtics do need a solid big man in there.
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You know, when we had Al Horford, it was able he was able to play defense as well get boards and pass to facilitate the ball around shoot around what a Celtics team that we have now.
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We have a great team play, you know.
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But I think we're small balling like from Daniel Thais.
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He's not. No.
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Like I said, he's not know somebody who's gonna be averaging great points every game.
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He's not, you know, um, eso when it comes down toe playing a team like like Miami Heat, where you have Jimmy, you have all these players that I actually showing out, Like, to me personally, who besides, you know, Tyler, you know, you wanna know why who I thought was impressed me the most on that team.
00:15:56
Roger.
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Tragic.
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Yes, I didn't expect 32 30 on.
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He's what 30.
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So I didn't expect Project to do what he did.
00:16:05
Tragic, stepped up.
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Hey, made some big, big shots, but I didn't expect nothing like that from a garage from Georgia.
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Eso with the Celtics.
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Like I said, you know, there's some pieces that we need to focus on.
00:16:20
And, um, Jayson Tatum needs to realize, like even though he is our star player and he is our go to player, I think he needs to stop forcing a lot of his shots that he was doing, you know, just trying to get going for us.
00:16:33
Um, I mean, I personally think that we have a perfect set team, you know, with Kemba Walker.
00:16:38
Um, you know, it sucks because Gordon Hayward came back again, but he wasn't 100% when he played.
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You know, um, in my opinion, like I said, it was a great series.
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It's a series that you can't get mad about, because money he did that.
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That and the Celtics, where they need to go on from.
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This is what Earnhardt get.
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Think, Pick up a big man like I'll be a perfect pick up for them in the end.
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Um, because next to you then but free agency or whatever on on next year come back 10 times harder.
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Because again, the Celtics have the potential they have pushed.
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They have the hungry.
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They just need a piece fax Tuesday with your thoughts.
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And then I'll try to wrap it up.
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What was he was talking about again? I'm sorry, Mr.
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Last part on the ship.
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Those on the Eastern Conference finals as faras in, like, this recap the Celtics.
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They disappointed me, man.
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Um, I really.
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I really had high hopes for them thinking that they were actually gonna do something this year within making a big move.
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You know, having temper.
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And Kemba did it did this thing e really thought they were gonna do something, but they disappointed me.
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This year they fell at Tom's, where they shouldn't have felt like cautious turnovers, costly turnovers that that kind of killed their momentum within the playoffs itself.
00:18:13
Um, ast faras Miami AM has just been balling like I've been saying for a while now that Miami's got a team and just young boulders.
00:18:25
Andi.
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So the fact that Jimmy Butler being able to be there and stepped down from actually being the main scorer and you see it actually work out opposed Ah, lot of other star players doing that with him being a star player and stepping down and letting his role players, the rest of the team, grow.
00:18:48
You know what I'm saying? That that's something different.
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So I was very shocked to see that that the heat advanced the way they advance.
00:19:00
They took care of everybody that they played no joke.
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They took care, everybody that they played again.
00:19:07
So um, the Eastern Conference final was honestly, kind of knew that the Heat.
00:19:17
We're gonna beat the Celtics after maybe game, too.
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Mhm.
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I thought I thought it was.
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I thought it was a good Siri's.
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I just thought I just felt like, you know, the Celtics.
00:19:30
They weren't able to crack Miami's own.
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I mean, they were struggling with that 23 throughout the entire Siris on, you know, the Celtics usually throughout the season.
00:19:39
They did a great job of moving the ball, moving side to side, getting good shots, giving up good shots for great shots.
00:19:45
But then against Miami, I don't know like that song they just started to play more is a ball, and I think that kind of figured in some of his hands and, you know, took a lot of took a lot of bad shots at times, and sometimes the offense was very stagnant, and that that that that was able to that was that was what Miami wanted throughout the whole time.
00:20:04
They didn't I feel like in that zone, they should have put at least you know, Brown or Tatum at the free throw line.
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You know, I kind of work from there and kind of having facilitated through things like that.
00:20:14
But it's also tough when you don't have Ah, true big as well be ableto It's just, you know, just crap that's on behind behind behind his own to get that big man to drop.
00:20:25
You know, Tyson Tyson is a good big, but he's not really a God is dominant in the paint.
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He kind of likes to space the floor, do some other things.
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So I just think personnel like like Sean said, I think you know, they definitely toe, you know, take a look and try to get a big man for sure.
00:20:41
Um and I think that that's that's gonna be paramount.
00:20:45
I mean, maybe maybe move Hayward for a big do a trade or something like that.
00:20:50
That would be the best move they could do is move Hayward for big.
00:20:55
Because I feel like, Ah, I had this conversation the other day and somebody said that, uh, something should let go markets smart.
00:21:03
I'm just like, Well, okay, if you like. Go Marcus Smart.
00:21:06
Who's gonna be your defensive anchor? Who's gonna be your squirrel bench? I'm sorry you off, But I think at that point Gordon Hayward, I would cut Gordon Hayward.
00:21:19
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
00:21:21
Hey, Hayward.
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Hayward would be the best piece to let go and get something good back for you know what I'm saying? Even if his play decreased in his value decrease from not playing so much, right? What s what? Big.
00:21:42
What big do you think is out there? I mean, I'm seeing, like Myles Turner.
00:21:46
Maybe Adams, maybe Adams, because I think, okay, See, Might be moving in a different direction.
00:21:52
You know what? What? You know what? Them firing Billy Donovan.
00:21:55
Look, they I think they might be looking to rebuild.
00:21:58
It.
00:21:59
Might tryto might try to ship atoms and small picks.
00:22:01
So you think would be a valid big man? ****.
00:22:04
Adams? Yeah.
00:22:06
Oh, that's a tough one.
00:22:10
I think the Celtics the subjects are able to get a guy like Adams.
00:22:13
Don't forget the Marcus cousins is also on that list.
00:22:18
Yeah, but he too.
00:22:21
He's on that list.
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He's on that list.
00:22:23
But I don't I don't I don't think they would take a look at him because he's too injury prone right now.
00:22:27
After after the year that they had with the injuries that they were dealing with.
00:22:31
E think they sometimes have really trying to avoid anybody who's to injury from the market's cousin named playing what, 23 to almost three years? Yeah, tomorrow.
00:22:44
But listen, right, let's talk about this.
00:22:46
It's not I'm sorry.
00:22:48
I'm sorry to cut you off, but it's not to say like Marcus Cousins is like a k D or somebody you give him saying It's not, It's not.
00:22:56
It's not, too.
00:22:57
Yeah, but what's the odds of that E if he's healthy, if he's healthy, is highest.
00:23:04
It's a high percentage.
00:23:05
He hasn't played for how long He hasn't played so well.
00:23:09
Why not? 100% right? He should be 100% right now.
00:23:12
I mean, it's been a full season s, um, change.
00:23:15
I mean, I think he he towards a CEO in August of last year, so I mean, we're almost in October now, So, um, you know, he should be, you know, that's a 12 month recovery.
00:23:24
He should be, You know, by the time the season next season starts, he should be good to go.
00:23:29
I think I think I think Contenders Air.
00:23:31
Definitely want to take a look at him.
00:23:33
I think that's something.
00:23:34
I mean, I mean, that would make sense.
00:23:36
You know, you're not really paying too much.
00:23:38
You probably be able to get him on the vet minimum.
00:23:40
You're not gonna pay him a lot of money.
00:23:42
He's not, because maybe I don't think it be like a Dwight Howard thing where he gets a non guaranteed deal.
00:23:48
But I think you'll probably get like like, a mellow like like mellow in Portland.
00:23:52
Maybe like five mil or something like that.
00:23:55
Like a veteran contract? Exactly, exactly.
00:23:58
So I think that be a good move.
00:23:59
I believe your box called on that list as well on free agent says it might be a good piece to Yeah, I think you know someone.
00:24:09
Even even a Marc Gasol.
00:24:10
Marc Gasol with him infant and as old as he is, he will still be great because he's a big guy in that pink as well is his playmaking.
00:24:18
It's still it's still good, and, you know, even though he's not scoring as much, he's still giving you those big points when you need it the most.
00:24:25
Gasol, Gasol's going back to Spain.
00:24:27
He's leaving the MBA.
00:24:28
Oh, is he? Yeah.
00:24:29
I was just reported today.
00:24:30
Yeah, I didn't I didn't look into that today.
00:24:33
But, like, don't like like, Like like like Kristin Thompson, right? He's gonna be a free agent.
00:24:40
Um, Serge Ibaka markets cousins.
00:24:43
I mean, even a d.
00:24:44
Like if he let's just say he decides to leave.
00:24:47
Yeah.
00:24:48
I mean, if he wins, then obviously makes no sense for him to leave, right? But you have a lot of these players like you have Melo coming out, you know, as a free agent, Andre Drummond.
00:25:01
But yeah.
00:25:02
Yeah, for drumming.
00:25:03
You definitely have to move Hayward for sure.
00:25:05
The free up the couch with us, right? Exactly.
00:25:07
And like, that's what I'm saying.
00:25:08
At this point, we don't get we don't get smart.
00:25:11
Smart is one of our best players on our team.
00:25:14
He's I would say he's the Draymond green of our team.
00:25:17
He's the spark off, you know, off the Celtics, you know, he's basically really are veterans on our team.
00:25:25
I would say, you know, besides Kimba being around for the long as he ab, But, um, smart is he's been there since Rondo left, You know, So he hasn't left since then.
00:25:38
Um, again, Celtics just really need to get rid of Hayward and keep on working on getting a better piece to finish that finish.
00:25:46
That pot like glow can't keep on relying on Tatum.
00:25:51
We can't keep on relying on Brown.
00:25:53
We need that big.
00:25:54
We need them boards way.
00:25:55
Need to be able to guard that paint with no problem, which I think is our biggest problems guarding that paint.
00:26:01
Yeah, for sure, because bam, bam! Average 21 11.
00:26:04
So that's what I'm saying.
00:26:06
So, like, we got really destroyed by boards.
00:26:10
You know, the game that we should have one, right? You know, we just lost by boards.
00:26:16
Really? You know, fax.
00:26:18
That's That's a fact.
00:26:20
All right, let's transition to the Western Conference finals.
00:26:24
Lakers, Nuggets, Lakers.
00:26:26
Got it done in five.
00:26:28
Well, I'm surprised.
00:26:30
Um, yeah, I mean, I chose the liquors in six.
00:26:33
I felt that I just thought, you know, they you know, they possibly get one or two games.
00:26:39
I thought at least you know, Michael Michael Porter Jr.
00:26:43
Or some of the other wing guys might have a big game and in the game that they did when Jeremy Grant had a great game and they had, like 2024 points or something like that.
00:26:51
Ultimately, you know, just the Lakers had their bigs were just too much for Yokich.
00:26:56
Yokota's in foul trouble, pretty much the majority of the Siri's, especially those last three games.
00:27:02
Uh, and you know, even though he's a great player, you know, just they had they had the it was just styles make fights, you know, they just had the they had.
00:27:10
They had the personnel to be able to offset kind of stuff, get physical against the Clippers.
00:27:16
They didn't really have that.
00:27:17
They don't really have that big.
00:27:19
I mean, Harold, you know he's there big, but he does.
00:27:22
He's 67 you because you're just gonna body him.
00:27:24
And then after that, I mean it, really.
00:27:26
Nobody's really out the zoo boxes just too slow to be able to guard your kids.
00:27:31
So, uh, I think I think it was, you know, LeBron brought her home on Saturday a big time fourth quarter, 16 and 1/4.
00:27:38
Just kind of put it to rest, you know, kind of ended the try to end any type of momentum that you know.
00:27:43
The Nuggets have gotten down 31 in their first, their first few Siri's.
00:27:47
So, uh, you know, I think it was.
00:27:50
I think it was a dominant performance by the Lakers.
00:27:53
I think you know, they could have.
00:27:55
They could have rebounded the ball a little bit better.
00:27:57
You know, some games where 80 has their own rebounds, two rebounds, but ultimately, you know, they got it done on.
00:28:04
But I just wanna I want to get channel, get your thoughts, and then I'll follow up with T. J. Gets back.
00:28:10
So my thoughts of that is, it wasn't no surprise to me that the Lakers wanted the Nuggets isn't a championship championship team? Not just yet.
00:28:25
Um, that's a team That's a team that you're gonna see if they choose to stay together, right that, like maybe a couple of years from now, you will see them as top three teams on the West.
00:28:37
In my opinion, I mean somebody with Michael Porter Jr right now being ableto playmakers.
00:28:44
Well, a score, um Bobo being able to be, as you know, the big impact as he was Joe.
00:28:51
All these players, you know, you have the team.
00:28:53
You basically have, You know, a big, big seven right there.
00:28:58
You know, Murray, he came to show out, you know, I mean, it's early to say, but if he continues to play the way that he did, I could see that it's going.
00:29:10
It's gonna be a huge impact on the MBA in the future.
00:29:14
And the Nuggets will be a top team to play, you know, not saying they're not a top team now, but they're so young, they still have a lot to learn with one another.
00:29:25
Um, Michael Porter Jr.
00:29:27
This is really his first year, even touching the floor since back surgery for two years a year? Yeah, I got arrested in the first year.
00:29:35
Eso like, you know, he this is the first time we actually seen them.
00:29:39
Same thing with Bobo, you know, the first official time seeing.
00:29:45
And for the short time that we did see Bobo, we've seen the potential and the push that he can provide for his team.
00:29:53
And we that z like I said, you know, So when it came down to the Celtic and like it was like, it was a no call, right? You know, a D was always going to do his thing.
00:30:04
You know, even though I think that one ending shot was not a skilled shot, I don't I don't think it should be like the game winner.
00:30:12
Yeah.
00:30:13
I don't think it's something that he can do on the night in and night out.
00:30:16
I think that's the same thing.
00:30:17
Like I lari when he got that on the Celtics.
00:30:20
I don't I don't believe I think that was pure lot.
00:30:23
Okay.
00:30:24
All right.
00:30:25
The play was clean, right? Right.
00:30:28
You know.
00:30:29
So it's something, you know, It's just like games that have you listened to Damian Lillard.
00:30:33
He said that he tried to re enact the shot that he did on Paul George, and he said he just put it right.
00:30:41
One of those in that moment tire things right, you know? And that's what I'm saying.
00:30:45
That's not something you plan for.
00:30:47
That's not something you aim for.
00:30:48
But like I said, nuggets will be that team to be the goal against later on T.
00:30:56
J.
00:30:57
You that, bro? Yeah, I'm here, bro.
00:30:58
I, um what was your thoughts on on the Western Conference finals.
00:31:03
Uh, Brown on.
00:31:06
Duh.
00:31:07
Your guy Brown is getting it done.
00:31:08
Yeah, that's all you could say is your guy Brown? Because Brown fan, not another Lakers E said brawn fan out the Lakers fan. I'm crying.
00:31:18
Um, Braun got it done.
00:31:20
No, I want to say Braun got it done.
00:31:22
I want to say, Hey, he got it done alongside of Ron.
00:31:26
You know what I'm saying? Um, more so, in a sense of a d has been I want to say the focal point when it came to closing out games.
00:31:40
Um, this is Lakers.
00:31:44
Yeah, we already knew that they were going to the finals.
00:31:46
I said it from when it when it occurred.
00:31:50
We spoke on that, Uh, that's wrong.
00:31:54
Going for the fourth chip.
00:31:55
That's just that I think I really think that a D is probably going to get the M V P this year.
00:32:03
All right, we'll talk.
00:32:04
We'll get into that.
00:32:05
We're going to do it in a little bit.
00:32:06
Uh um if those on the Nuggets stuff, um, shut those on their future and the playoffs, they had because ah, lot of people don't even have everybody Everybody thought it be.
00:32:16
Lakers Clippers Western Conference finals.
00:32:18
Nobody like his Nuggets.
00:32:20
Nuggets.
00:32:21
Big surprise.
00:32:22
Big surprise.
00:32:23
Like McDonald's ****y nuggets.
00:32:24
Zwiers ****y this year.
00:32:27
I'm gonna They're pretty good.
00:32:28
I mean, they Yes, they are.
00:32:31
Good.
00:32:32
Pretty good to me.
00:32:33
I'm loving it.
00:32:34
Gave it does, but yeah, definitely.
00:32:37
Try the ****y nuggets, man.
00:32:38
Those were good, But those nuggets Denver Nuggets.
00:32:41
Definitely ****y this year, E man, Um, this is man.
00:32:46
Yeah, Murray.
00:32:48
He has some picante sauce.
00:32:49
He that names that man.
00:32:52
Man, I don't know him.
00:32:55
And joke.
00:32:56
It's That's a nasty duel.
00:32:59
That was a nasty dual, but we knew that they were gonna be the Lakers, but I wanted them to be clippers just to make it easier for broad And d you know, it would be a shame of bronze.
00:33:15
Just choked like he did back in Cleveland when he was going against the Celtics.
00:33:19
Way about to get into that.
00:33:23
We're about to about to get into that right now.
00:33:25
We want to get into that funny.
00:33:28
Um, yeah, and that's and I think, Yeah, yoga and Murray.
00:33:33
They definitely showed some some true promise.
00:33:36
And in this Siri's I mean ah, a lot of people.
00:33:39
You know, I thought I thought they were always gonna be a young team.
00:33:41
And I feel like, you know, they were gonna be, you know, good for a very long time.
00:33:46
But, you know, for them to make that step for them to make that step from, uh, from the second round last year, Thio the Western Conference finals.
00:33:58
It's a big deal.
00:34:00
Big deal.
00:34:01
So Okay, Yeah, This is a little off topic, my fault for cutting you off.
00:34:05
But, you know, this whole bubble was cute with a lot of big news for this whole bubble, you know, from even before the conference finals.
00:34:16
All that? Like, Phoenix.
00:34:18
They ain't No, You know, I think we've seen a lot of potential from these players that we never thought we would see it from.
00:34:26
And this bubble from the young guys especially check my jacket.
00:34:31
But that's that's in the green thing.
00:34:33
Mhm.
00:34:34
Fax.
00:34:35
Fax.
00:34:36
Yeah, I think I think as you like you said bobo definitely gonna make that step.
00:34:40
Um, original And a lot in this Siri's.
00:34:42
Yeah, I think he has toe become a better defender.
00:34:45
We're going his ball handling it a little bit more, just just to become a better shot. Creator.
00:34:50
E think I think I think that's gonna That's gonna be That's gonna be the best solution for them, for sure.
00:35:00
Um, all right, let's get system.
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00:35:08
All right, let's Zahalka about Let's talk about LeBron.
00:35:11
You know, Richard his 10th NBA Finals appearance.
00:35:14
Uh, thing with the win e already already know.
00:35:20
Well, I'll go with John first, but you already know that I'm Yeah, with the wind right here.
00:35:27
Where would you Where would you rank on your timeless? Let's hear this song.
00:35:32
Where would you rank him? With a long time? Less mine, Poppy Top off.
00:35:37
Probably not Even certified would probably probably.
00:35:41
I mean, I'm a LeBron James Hayter, not because of his skill, because the man does have a maid.
00:35:47
These skills.
00:35:48
So you were just born to be a LeBron James e just don't like him.
00:35:53
Why not? What did he do? What did he do to you? I don't.
00:35:58
I don't get your baby and e don't like the cry baby.
00:36:03
Put your team your team.
00:36:04
Your team was built around Thio.
00:36:07
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:36:09
Listen, we could go back and forth.
00:36:11
We could go like Shannon and sharp, whatever.
00:36:13
Me sharp and, uh, e got tired.
00:36:17
I got time, cause but in the end of the day, you know, um, LeBron James I just don't like him personally, so I'll put him on my top five, and that's me being even nice enough to him and put him there.
00:36:29
Okay, Um, LeBron James is always going to be the best, I would say as faras playmaking wise, um, decisions.
00:36:40
You know, like, you know, you can't really compare him in Jordan because Jordan was just the best one of the best scorers of all time.
00:36:49
You know, um, Kobe, Kobe is one of the best clutches players of all time, you know? And LeBron was just, like another magic.
00:36:59
Just love off a lot more skills When it came down to it.
00:37:03
E mean they got like, this is my opinion.
00:37:06
And I would say you stopped around top Fox.
00:37:11
I respect that respect that, uh, TJ 20 quarterback.
00:37:16
So I'm still going with that.
00:37:17
I hate I hate Tom Brady more than brown telling you that right now, a lot of love man, love, but T J where you where you got where you got Brown? If he's able to get this four championship bronze getting this championship, Brown is definitely top five about James's about yo Chill.
00:37:47
That's what I'm saying.
00:37:49
Come on, man.
00:37:51
Um, **** shown, you know, pop icon now, but Bron is definitely set for our top five amongst my favorite brought is my favorite player, but, I mean, he doesn't trump Jordan and being realistic, he doesn't trump Kobe celebrating Top three.
00:38:18
Just one e can agree with that.
00:38:22
Uh, I read on top three on my my favorite.
00:38:26
He's my favorite player, but I'm being realistic as faras stats and numbers wise and the things that he's done.
00:38:33
Mhm.
00:38:34
He's top three.
00:38:36
He's number one, and the thing and the things that he's done.
00:38:39
You know what I'm saying? With the numbers that he set and the standards that he set as a player? Yeah, being one of the greatest all around players there is.
00:38:49
That's why I already met at top three with Jordan and Kobe.
00:38:53
I just have one LeBron question.
00:38:56
All right.
00:38:57
Do you think lebron will be as big as a Z is now.
00:39:00
If he was playing back then with shocks, time and all the Yes, yes.
00:39:07
Yeah, I think so.
00:39:09
I don't I don't think I don't think it would be a difference.
00:39:11
I think LeBron James will be facing a lot more injuries.
00:39:16
You could you could possibly say that.
00:39:18
You could possibly say that, but at the same time, I mean so you only have one major injury? Exactly.
00:39:26
He played slender, slender hey was under compared to Brown.
00:39:31
Hey, was much hey was much smaller than they think about LeBron playing a team like the bad boy Pistons, right? You'd be able to bank.
00:39:39
LeBron will be ableto LeBron will be able to bang him up with bad boy Christians.
00:39:44
He would be able to bang with him.
00:39:46
Hey, had somebody like him to Jr on his side. He's good.
00:39:51
E think it's a couple of players.
00:39:54
I think it's a couple of players right now.
00:39:57
And the aid I'll be able to say, like, you know, still still have an impact regardless era.
00:40:03
I mean, you got Katie.
00:40:05
Of course, LeBron e think would get hurt much, too, because Katie is not really, uh, Katie the great player, but he's not.
00:40:13
I don't think he will be great with physical.
00:40:16
And that's it.
00:40:17
You gotta.
00:40:20
But you gotta think about like, Cady skill set.
00:40:23
And like, it wasn't there really wasn't any type of players back then with that type of skill.
00:40:27
Set the same same thing for lebron.
00:40:29
Like there weren't really many that there weren't a lot of players that had that type of skill set back back then.
00:40:35
Like like lebron's? Because, I mean, like, magic.
00:40:37
That was the eighties like seventies eighties.
00:40:40
So I mean, but But then LeBron just has a different type of athleticism, the magic.
00:40:45
So and he's about the shooter.
00:40:47
So, um, you had that scary jump shot that you had that had that had that set shot jumper? Exactly.
00:40:56
Exactly.
00:40:57
So, um, I think with this fourth and right here, uh, in my opinion, in my opinion, is already top three in my book, I think.
00:41:07
Who's number one? Number one.
00:41:09
I still got I still got MJ.
00:41:11
I know.
00:41:13
I was e respect that I was a lot of people a lot about Kobe.
00:41:17
Um, e I got I got Jordan one still just what he did in his prime and his dominance.
00:41:24
I mean, it's just it's just really tough toe match that.
00:41:28
But I will say if LeBron is able to get five, it would be very it would be very.
00:41:36
It'll be very tough for me, not toe.
00:41:41
I think that discussion or whether he's number one, there's some people already having number one.
00:41:45
I think I think he would definitely close that gap.
00:41:47
I mean, I saw a couple ****ysts say, like there's no way he'd be able to close the gap But if he's able to win five championships, uh, in this era, especially if Golden State comes back, Brooklyn comes back.
00:41:59
If they're happy Golden State work done.
00:42:04
Okay, yeah, we'll talk about that.
00:42:07
We did a mission.
00:42:09
I guess you on the the off season review for sure.
00:42:13
We're gonna talk about Golden State.
00:42:15
Um, that's that's that's possible.
00:42:17
Some people think that, but I think, uh, I think with this, but this fourth and right here, I mean to me, it just keeps him right there on top three.
00:42:25
I got So I think I think he's especially if he's dominant and I see I see a lot of a lot of veterans, a lot of old heads, people in the MBA like they want.
00:42:37
They really want to downplay this Finals.
00:42:39
They want to say, You know, it's It's like a pick up.
00:42:41
It's like Scottie Pippen says, Like I pick up, it's like pickup basketball.
00:42:45
It's not the same playoff atmosphere, but they like they couldn't control.
00:42:48
It's not like they had any control.
00:42:51
Over what? What this thing was gonna look like.
00:42:55
This was the only May the season was gonna be ableto resume on and finish.
00:43:00
So, you know, to put, you know, just the order by just go down narrative out right before the final.
00:43:06
I think it was a little was a little It was a little weak by about Scotty, like, Yeah, I mean, we've already seen LeBron step up in big moments in front of big crowds and, uh, in front of those crowds to Yeah, exactly.
00:43:21
I mean, but here's the thing, right.
00:43:25
You know Kobe, for example, right? Kobe? One.
00:43:29
How many rings was shot? Three.
00:43:32
Great.
00:43:33
How many will be solved? You want to wear this? Aw, yeah.
00:43:37
Right now, I think they stand for two different things.
00:43:41
Me personally, I think them.
00:43:45
LeBron James.
00:43:46
The reason why I can't give LeBron James the the respect.
00:43:52
It's because to me it's It's like, Okay, you had Kobe and Gasol, Kobe and shot, you know, dominant players and stuff like that, Right? But with Bron, I stopped respecting LeBron in the same way people were stopped respecting Haiti when he went to Golden State.
00:44:11
Warriors toe.
00:44:12
Go get his rings.
00:44:14
I don't respect LeBron.
00:44:16
When he did, when he did go toe Miami to set up a team because they were willing to give that that's the best thing he could have did.
00:44:25
Mhm.
00:44:26
That is the greatest thing he could have been.
00:44:28
But what I'm saying, though, is that's why I can't put half one right there behind that as that top tier player.
00:44:37
Like, you know, I put him in my top five, you know, because E had another animal behavior, right? Right.
00:44:50
And I'm gonna set up a team over there.
00:44:52
Are you never seeing check? Check said I want these these rings.
00:44:56
I'm going somewhere else.
00:44:58
That's well, im e I mean, they had they had the rift which was led to you know, shocked when they get traded on the Lakers.
00:45:06
The Laker ultimately chose Kobe over the shot through.
00:45:10
Well, of course.
00:45:11
I mean, long run wise, you know that They already knew things were going to change eventually.
00:45:16
Okay, Right.
00:45:19
But in my that's why I can't get that big jump because that big jump to me, you know, I have to see what you can do.
00:45:29
You know, by yourself you can say Okay, but the final years in the Cleveland Cavaliers, when he had Kyrie and stuff like that, like that was all good.
00:45:41
But let's be honest.
00:45:43
What? Last year when I mean that last ticket booth, right? They didn't really do that. Great.
00:45:51
They didn't Even without Kyra, they you know, they look up, look up with a win against though.
00:45:59
They went up against Curry Curry, who had helped Cady had because he had the Splash brothers.
00:46:05
So it's like way.
00:46:09
Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, but look at that.
00:46:11
Look at that team that the cops hot outside of LeBron wasn't.
00:46:17
I mean, most of those guys, the role players that were you had George J. R.
00:46:24
E.
00:46:29
But what they didn't man mention was that they did it without what they did it with a bunch of rookies on the team.
00:46:36
I don't think John had proven himself to go against the top player and get me. They want to get.
00:46:42
It's the top rookies on that team.
00:46:43
So I don't think like I said, I can't put him on my top three.
00:46:46
You know that easily, you know, because in the end they can't compare him to Jordan because I think Jordan did a lot by himself before he got.
00:46:55
So what about the early? What about the early cop individual? So about every time LeBron LeBron was by himself before he went to Miami and then went to the finals, it was coming out the East when it's 60 games.
00:47:08
But they just didn't have the help to win the championship, which you're talking about.
00:47:12
Yeah, s.
00:47:13
So what you do is is that you go to another team and you say, Let's I'm not only gonna play on this team if I have this player, just this player And maybe if we could get this player, you know, you have to remember Chris Bosch wasn't even supposed to be on that team Melo waas, Right? They The way I see it, it is like That's like trying to let Chris Paul going to the Lakers when they had Kobe and all of them big fans and you see how quick they stopped that.
00:47:41
But the difference was that was a trade e mean, But here's the thing.
00:47:49
I want a veto that trade so quick E get, I'll show you just and that's me.
00:48:07
Okay, Um I mean, yeah, I mean everybody, everybody gonna have a different opinion on it.
00:48:16
I just think that it's just the area that we're in helped him in his favorite like this, like the super team era helped him win championships on.
00:48:26
And then he was ultimately lost championships because because then go into the state, created their own believe and ultimately, let's losing championships.
00:48:35
So he kind of got the He kind of got both both sides of the move.
00:48:40
So, you know, that's, you know, that's I mean, you know, still mental, you know, eight straight finals during that on.
00:48:49
Do you know, if you I think people have stayed in Miami, I think they would have been able to get better players around him as opposed them going to Cleveland.
00:48:56
But he wanted to go to Cleveland and get that championship for the city, which he did.
00:49:00
Which which ultimately I wanna, I think, put him on a different weapon.
00:49:07
E they both.
00:49:10
They both play the hair.
00:49:12
I mean, well, I mean, LeBron had the block and then Kyrie got Kyrie made the shot.
00:49:17
So which is which is why on couldn't have did it with Al Kyrie for sure.
00:49:24
And I think that Zatz perfect but transmission right to this next question I got I got right what we got with this one shirt, but deep.
00:49:34
Uh huh.
00:49:36
What would that make any Davis that the best player LeBron has played with.
00:49:42
So we got Obviously, we got weighed two championships in Miami Way Just talked about Kyrie in Cleveland Bosch love to bigs that, you know, make some big time plays in those those championship runs for those respective teams.
00:49:58
So, uh, where would you rank a d amongst LeBron's top teammates that he's playing with his career? If they're able to get this championship e start, I start by, um e start with Jay first and I'll go to Sean.
00:50:14
Well, Joe.
00:50:22
Hmm? Okay, folks, getting it.
00:50:27
No, no, it's coming in and out. I can't.
00:50:31
You can hear me.
00:50:32
Yeah, it sounds like Get me on mine.
00:50:36
You, you know? Yeah, I can hear you.
00:50:41
You gave me now.
00:50:42
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:44
Yes, kind of.
00:50:45
It's cutting in and out of mind.
00:50:47
I can't.
00:50:49
Um, see you say that last what you were saying again, that was kind enough.
00:50:53
I was saying, like, where would you rank a D as LeBron's top teammates? If they if you're able to get this championship, he's, if not the best, second best behind weight.
00:51:08
Second best behind Wade.
00:51:10
Uh, Put him over, Kyrie.
00:51:13
Why? I say I put him over Kyrie because, nah, innocence.
00:51:19
I see him.
00:51:21
He's proved ah lot within this playoff run for it being his first playoff run.
00:51:30
I don't think this is You know what I'm saying? You guys give me Yeah.
00:51:35
Yeah, he's proved a lot for for being his first playoff run ever.
00:51:40
And he's showing everybody that Yeah, I've been this start playing big for so long, but I haven't had the chance to show my real potential.
00:51:49
You know what I'm saying so he's one, if not the best.
00:51:54
Some some other people might rate him as the best, uh, best second start playing that brought his head.
00:52:02
I see him second Thio.
00:52:04
Wait e.
00:52:06
Don't think there's no There's no dude I could compare to him and weighed the waiting toe win and brawn, but Braun and a D it's just It's good I saw.
00:52:19
What do you think? Uh, I e think I think a the e mean what they said was right, You know, the brawn and way.
00:52:34
That's top notch door right there.
00:52:37
Um, a, you know, not saying that anything, but I think it just had a lot to prove, E I mean, I think you could put LeBron James with any player that's, you know, that that can do good.
00:52:49
And he'll make you look great.
00:52:51
Regardless, the same thing with a point guard.
00:52:53
You know, you have a great point guard.
00:52:54
He can make you look great, you know, like, um, like, remember when, like I said, with Rondo on the shelters, you know, people say, Oh, well, that was a big four.
00:53:06
Well, not really.
00:53:07
It was Rondo being good, you know, an old school point guard with a bunch of great players around him.
00:53:15
So it made cookies.
00:53:16
Made Rondo look better than what he really waas not saying Rhonda was bad.
00:53:21
You know what I'm saying? Um, so I think he still has a lot to prove as faras.
00:53:27
That best duo part.
00:53:29
I think they have, But I do think they can.
00:53:32
They're capable of doing it, especially if he comes back for a second year.
00:53:38
E got I got a D.
00:53:42
Yeah.
00:53:43
Right now right now would be second if he's able to get the If he was able to get the championship Yeah, I would come right behind Brian and wait.
00:53:51
Just the fact that you know, they went there four years in a row.
00:53:55
12 should have 1213 But you know that that that Dallas stuff, Mavs? Yeah.
00:54:04
I mean, yeah.
00:54:05
I mean, I feel like they should have.
00:54:06
They should have won that seriously.
00:54:07
I mean, they were the better team going.
00:54:08
Then they had they had the opportunity, definitely were the better team going in against the matters.
00:54:13
But it was just stage.
00:54:15
They folded.
00:54:16
Chris Boss folded.
00:54:18
E just boss folded.
00:54:21
He got killed by dirt.
00:54:24
Yeah, they I think they were just overwhelmed.
00:54:26
I think they just probably it was It was a tough It was a tough moment, but they overcame that ended up being OK.
00:54:32
See Young Young Heart and K d and Durant.
00:54:35
I mean, young heart and Westbrook and K d and getting that done.
00:54:40
And then ultimately, you know that you know that Game six against the Spurs in the Ray Allen and that big shot and then LeBron bringing home and gave seven dropping 37.
00:54:48
So you know that you know that.
00:54:51
You know, those those as those air final, especially that one against the Spurs, Those air finals that you just you'll never forget.
00:54:57
Um, so, uh, I think right now him away just the chemistry they had, you know, the full court lob in the alley.
00:55:05
Oops, them on the fast break.
00:55:07
Just It's just different.
00:55:08
It's just different, I think.
00:55:09
But right now, but what Him and Kyrie it was a little.
00:55:12
It was kind of the same thing.
00:55:14
In a way, kind of reads more like, you know, Kyra is more like he's the ISO guy likes to travel a lot.
00:55:20
You know, LeBron was able to be more off the ball, and, uh, and they gave Congress the more one on one to be able to create shots.
00:55:28
So, you know, they were fun as well.
00:55:30
And during that time, e think I just speaks to how you know LeBron is able to play with any type of player play with a great shooting guard.
00:55:37
Great point guard, Not great big e O as long as you can do what you have to do, right? And I think they they all followed there, Rose.
00:55:52
Exactly.
00:55:53
Like I said, I would, uh, even if they were to get this run this year, All right.
00:55:59
I think if they will need to do it a second year toe lock down the best duo, Yeah, the best duo from card, you know for sure for sure.
00:56:12
And I think we'll see how we'll see how this serious plays out.
00:56:15
I think because, like, I just want to say right now remember Jason Tatum right now, Like to me personally as a Celtic plan, Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown.
00:56:25
That's the top duo right there.
00:56:27
I mean, even if you look at Jason paid.
00:56:30
If you look at Jason Tatum numbers right now, you know he's one of the youngest players.
00:56:35
Thio average points dope.
00:56:38
But it was they think LeBron James was ranked only number three or something like that.
00:56:44
But on that list was also Kobe Bryant.
00:56:47
Um, and I forgot the other two other players that but Jason Taylor was ranked like to on that look, you know, so that there's a lot of tools.
00:56:58
Yes, that's a lot of great duels, a lot of great duels.
00:57:00
And before we get to that, I was gonna ask you guys about bam and Jimmy.
00:57:06
And when you guys rank them as the top door in the N b A.
00:57:10
Um, you know, we talked a lot about Rondo on.
00:57:13
Do you know Rondo stopping LeBron um, route to, you know, a couple a couple of more finals appearances, potentially with Celtics.
00:57:21
Uh, remember Dwight Howard that year? We had a, you know, crazy year left the magic to the finals.
00:57:28
They ended up losing to the Lakers.
00:57:30
Both teams ended up losing to the Lakers Celtics and and the Magic.
00:57:33
And then now you know both guys way.
00:57:36
Also 11 against the Lakers.
00:57:38
Yeah, right.
00:57:39
You're on the first one, you know.
00:57:40
And then and then And then, You know, the Lakers went back to back and were able to get that able to get that w revenge, that loss against against the seat.
00:57:50
So and then now we got Rondo and White teaming up with brawn toe win one Lakers, I think at this point, Ron, Paul and Dwight, they've been around the league so long.
00:58:03
Especially Dwight.
00:58:04
Like being asked team, the team, the team, the team that he eventually noticed that he needs to know his role.
00:58:12
Rondo to, uh, Rondo.
00:58:16
Rondo was always knew his role as a point guard, you know, I'm right.
00:58:20
He wasn't the guy who's gonna be like, I'm a dribble this ****, and I'm gonna give you 20 points.
00:58:26
No, that's not Rondo.
00:58:27
Rondo give you 10 points, 10 assists and maybe 10 boards.
00:58:32
You know, just cause of his reach and stuff like that.
00:58:36
Um, I think when you get to a point on time, you know the age that you are what Rondo has to be at least 1.
00:58:43
30 something already 30 2 32 right through.
00:58:50
That's what I'm saying.
00:58:51
So, like, you know, one to start being in the league for so long and you start going a team, the team, You know, you eventually, you know, start seeing keep players start falling off after they start going.
00:59:01
Team the team like, look, a Beazley.
00:59:05
Beasley went toe how maney teams and got dropped a lot.
00:59:10
A couple of times I went back to the same team he dropped, um, came back, you know, like, you know, even think of what singing from the nets are.
00:59:21
Williams find a great job.
00:59:27
Alright, Downwards.
00:59:28
They had Mark Shorter Meyer.
00:59:30
Then he went into the next.
00:59:32
Then they started trading him places.
00:59:33
And then boom just disappeared.
00:59:35
So it's just fall from grace. Is is crazy.
00:59:39
Mhm Like as faras Rondo goes, I think Rondo eventually just learned to roll, And, uh and it was like, you know, this is a chance for me to get another ring like it was for the Celtics, and I think Rondo would probably be like the first player toe actually have a team on have a ring with the Celtics and the Lakers.
01:00:03
Yeah, Yeah, I don't think I can't think of anyone at the top of my right now.
01:00:09
Yeah, so when we're both franchises, that'd be that'd be pretty.
01:00:12
That's a that's a different feet.
01:00:14
And I think he's already top eight and playoff all time and assists.
01:00:18
And so you know he's trying to.
01:00:21
He's trying to get in that in that hole.
01:00:23
Potentially.
01:00:25
Dwight voice already A lot.
01:00:28
Yeah, well, like I said with Dwight Howard, I think Dwight Howard just been through enough toe.
01:00:33
Finally find a team that accept him for who he is instead of always just criticizing.
01:00:38
I mean, when he was in Charlotte, he was doing great.
01:00:42
He was doing great.
01:00:43
I think they had a great stop there when he was a sharp.
01:00:45
He was averaging a double double game and stuff like that.
01:00:48
You know, um, I think Dwight Howard just finally grew and accepted the fact that you know he's not on the spotlight no more.
01:00:59
Now he's on the team that the whole team is on a spotlight, so he gets noticed with his team, you know, because think about it. Javale McGee.
01:01:07
Javale McGee was only known as the stupid, shocked in a full player I mean, he would do a lot of dumb stuff that you would be like.
01:01:14
How do you think of doing that? But you see, when he ends up on a team like the Lakers, or even Golden, stay worried.
01:01:21
You know, it made him look better than what he always wants.
01:01:25
You know, he was always a great athletic player, but, you know, he never accept that fact.
01:01:31
Well, no.
01:01:32
One second, now that he's getting older.
01:01:36
You know, you kind of just take your part on that team now, and you're gonna do what you have to dio mhm for sure.
01:01:44
I completely agree.
01:01:45
I think, uh, it was just, uh I think I think it's a It's a crazy parallel.
01:01:50
So crazy dynamic, You know, for those guys, you know, stop brown so many years trying to get to that chip because you know everybody.
01:01:57
Well, most most people wanted to see LeBron versus Kobe in the finals at least one time.
01:02:02
You know, both of them were in their prime, you know, Unfortunately, we never got to see that.
01:02:06
And, you know, those two guys were, you know, the main reasons.
01:02:09
So for now, for them to the help LeBron get a championship in 2020 is like, you know, it's it's pretty crazy and I I think you know both for exactly for Kobe.
01:02:21
And I think both guys, um I played a big role in this playoffs.
01:02:25
I think Rondo coming back.
01:02:26
Especially that Houston Siri's, which was big time missing. Big place.
01:02:30
Houston.
01:02:31
I mean, against against every as well, uh, helps him a lot better. Exactly.
01:02:36
Exactly. Now he's able to pose close.
01:02:38
He's able to be in that closing five for the Lakers because he could space the floor.
01:02:41
And then you just another playmaker.
01:02:43
Soberon could play more off the ball.
01:02:45
Um, you know, Hey, already has a great chemistry with a D during that time in New Orleans.
01:02:50
So he's a great piece, man.
01:02:52
He's a great piece on, uh, on Dwight.
01:02:56
Same thing.
01:02:57
You know, Dwight's averaging seven and seven, so if he has started minutes, I mean be a double.
01:03:00
He'd be averaging a double double, just like like you said in Charlotte.
01:03:03
So, uh, you know, he's I mean, I think I think, you know, coming to this team coming toe.
01:03:09
Definitely.
01:03:10
You know, rejuvenated his career, for sure, because it was looking like it was, I think, him and mellow kind of similar, similar cir***stances, you know, stars in their prime, you know, carrying teams for multitude of years, so many years.
01:03:25
And then you try Thio.
01:03:28
Exactly.
01:03:29
Get older.
01:03:30
You try to go chase the championships, but it's just it's a little different.
01:03:34
Yeah, right.
01:03:35
Exactly on Duh.
01:03:37
You know, now you know, I think Melo found a home in Portland.
01:03:40
We'll see, depending on.
01:03:42
You know what their cap looks like.
01:03:44
But I think I think he found a solid space.
01:03:46
And even if even if it's not in Portland teams teams see that he's willing to accept the road where he could be a winning culture, as opposed to just give me the ball all the time.
01:03:54
He's willing to be.
01:03:55
Oh, I don't know.
01:03:58
Yeah, way Don't really need him, e.
01:04:02
I just thought everybody to pull up, right? Exactly.
01:04:06
I think I mean, I think I could use I could use Howard.
01:04:08
I think, you know, we've been talking about, you know, you're getting Howard 2017.
01:04:14
So it's like, I mean, the Celtics were always and and talk for these big.
01:04:19
So if you think about it, um, like, you know, I think like I told you, you know, we need these bigs.
01:04:26
The Celtics needs too big to go anywhere any further.
01:04:29
They have the potential to run the East.
01:04:32
At this point, they just need the priests.
01:04:37
Definitely, Definitely.
01:04:39
Just get those pieces.
01:04:40
And, uh, yeah, like we talked about earlier.
01:04:43
They gotta get that big now.
01:04:45
One question I have for you, right, That that's not on there.
01:04:47
But the question I have for you, what ranking would you rack Brad Stevens as a coach? I'll put them.
01:04:55
I put them top top five.
01:04:57
Top seven, for sure.
01:04:58
Yeah, E.
01:05:00
I think he took a step back this year, just not being able to crack that zone.
01:05:05
I think the bubbles really messed everybody up.
01:05:08
You know, it's a It's a different environment.
01:05:11
The Celtics live off of mo mentum and stuff and this bubble or something, you have to create yourself this time.
01:05:19
You know there's no home court, there's no away court.
01:05:23
This is just neutral browns and no fans around.
01:05:27
Just these are, you know, TV screens with fans and stuff like that it's not the same, you know, you know, because like, you hear these players, I do it for the fans.
01:05:37
I do it for the fans know the fans are in around, you know, like they're there in spirit there.
01:05:41
They're on watching on TV, but they're not physically there, you know? And I think that was another part on what destroyed the Celtics.
01:05:53
It's a definitely definitely played a factor, but, I mean, even, even still, you still get to the to the conference final.
01:05:59
So a lot of promise, Um, foresees for sure.
01:06:03
Uh, let's transition to this next question.
01:06:08
Jimmy Butler and band.
01:06:09
You know, it looks like, you know, they have emerged that one of the top duels in the NBA talked about, you know, you know, clear cut do.
01:06:16
And and, uh, Tatum and Brown, where would you rank bam and and Jimmy on that list? So obviously you've got, you know, Splash Brothers.
01:06:27
You already know Top one for me.
01:06:31
It's always gonna be my big seas.
01:06:32
Jalen and Tatum.
01:06:34
Um okay.
01:06:40
Bam! And on Jimmy, Jimmy Buzzard.
01:06:45
I could see him top on top seven around that area, so we got so so we'll go.
01:06:52
So we'll go.
01:06:54
We'll go about your your number one.
01:06:56
So Brown Tatum.
01:06:58
Mhm to I would give it.
01:07:00
I'll definitely give a d on LeBron.
01:07:02
I can't I can't argue with that.
01:07:04
You know, I'm a normal LeBron hitter.
01:07:06
I can't argue with that.
01:07:07
That's a great matchup.
01:07:09
Number three.
01:07:11
I would give Murray and and some targets.
01:07:17
What about what about the state Splash Brothers Splash Brothers.
01:07:21
Uh, to be honest, I haven't seen him playing so long, but if we're talking about when they were playing and they were hitting Channel going from, like, now, going into next season, So Okay.
01:07:35
I mean, that's the case, then.
01:07:37
Like I mean, I guess they could be tough.
01:07:41
I think they're They're They're definitely top five.
01:07:43
You know, they did create a lot of things together.
01:07:46
Can't really talk bad about them.
01:07:48
I don't like them, but, you know, um, you can't knock when skills do.
01:07:54
Um, you know, there's a lot of great Dewars on here, but like I said, you know, bam and Jimmy was probably the most slept on boards.
01:08:03
You know, you heard everybody talking about oh, lebron and 80 Jalen and Tatum O calorie And you know, and on the bottle.
01:08:13
You know, everybody is hearing all these different doors.
01:08:17
But you've never heard all Jimmy and Band, right? Right.
01:08:21
If anything, the biggest news Miami had was when Andre I got came to the Miami Heat from from the Grizzlies.
01:08:29
Yeah, that was that ended up being a big move for them getting boat, getting him and Jae Crowder and that deal Exactly big time.
01:08:37
One of those guys, you know, close games for him.
01:08:40
Exactly.
01:08:41
And, um So, like I said, I'll definitely give him top six top seven around that top five around that area before this season alone.
01:08:50
I mean, again, there's a lot of duos that need to prove themselves.
01:08:53
So there are a lot of first time duo, you know, We need a second from them to see, You know, how serious is that They are They're working from Absolutely.
01:09:08
I think I got them.
01:09:12
I think top 10 top 10.
01:09:14
Um, like you said, your candy and Kyrie just just offer respect level even though they haven't played together.
01:09:23
Just just seeing what they've done already.
01:09:25
I'm not really counting it until I see it.
01:09:27
Okay? Because let's be real.
01:09:30
How many times have we seen in the MBA where it looks great on paper, but flops and games, right? Clippers, Clippers is right.
01:09:40
You know, top example right there. Exactly.
01:09:43
I mean, everything can we can look at the 12 6011.
01:09:47
2012.
01:09:48
13. Next.
01:09:50
Okay, They had who mellow they had.
01:09:55
They had older, you know, Jason Kidd.
01:09:59
They had a more Xstrata mired Chandler, you know, great on paper.
01:10:05
But when it came down to big games, you know, it just wasn't there.
01:10:11
Um, you know, You know what team? I also I forgot my top five for the duo's poor Zynga's and Luca.
01:10:22
Right? Because, like, that's what I'm saying.
01:10:24
Like, I think they're top 10 e think we'll always top 10.
01:10:29
They were always in my top 10 but I mean, you know, with this finals of parents, where I put them over some other guys, I'm not sure I'm not shirt because, you know, just have Miami place.
01:10:42
They don't They don't even though.
01:10:44
Yeah, those are their two best players, but the way they play is, you know, they spread the ball and you know it.
01:10:49
Z just a focal point of team, like a D and LeBron.
01:10:54
Yeah, but let's be real.
01:10:56
The Miami Heat.
01:10:57
They just have a bunch of great defenders.
01:10:59
We have Jae Crowder, which is a former Celtic, right? Right, But playing on top defending teams of all the time, if you really think about as of now, he played.
01:11:09
He went from Cleveland, right? I mean, went from subjects to Cleveland, right? It didn't work out in Cleveland because it wasn't able to play the way they want him to play that.
01:11:18
So what they did was they sent him to Utah.
01:11:22
Utah is not the best offensive team, but I can tell you they're one of the most offensive teams in the NBA and J Crowded fit perfect on that team.
01:11:33
Now, if you had to bring Jae Crowder back to the east of Miami, Miami Heat is just another Utah.
01:11:40
Jai's just with probably a little more effective scorn.
01:11:45
You know, you know, um, and the defensive strategy works perfectly fine with him because, like I said, like, you know, not to jump off subject, I see this one question that you have here right about Andre.
01:11:59
You got about being a Hall of Famer? Yes, Hall of Famer Off.
01:12:04
Right? Right to me.
01:12:06
I remember growing up back in, like, 2011 when he was in Philly, right when he was in fairly.
01:12:13
I always called him a watered down LeBron.
01:12:17
And the reason why I called them on water down LeBron because he couldn't do great.
01:12:21
He couldn't shoot at all at that time, he But he was dunking on 23 people like it was nothing, you know? And I think if he would have picked up his jump shot earlier, he would have been hired himself, handled with him and a I wanted definitely.
01:12:39
Man.
01:12:40
I remember those days.
01:12:41
It was doubled ai and AI.
01:12:43
Right? And you have to remember that Philly team that you was on by Yeah, Batum on their Drew holiday.
01:12:51
He had he had a lot of great players on it, but it was the third vocal players of that team on with that being said gigi and in the Miami Heat, eggy deserved that whole family title, you know, because guess what? Look, Look what he did it for for, uh for Golden State Warriors.
01:13:11
He did wonders for them when it came down to it defensively, right in Miami.
01:13:16
It just fits the same as if it was like a Utah Jazz team with Jae Crowder.
01:13:21
Defense always beats win championships because if you can't stop a star player, then you're really just taking your l offer for sure.
01:13:36
Yeah, definitely.
01:13:37
I think, man.
01:13:39
I mean, you make some great points and those are definitely points I've thought about, You know, when this not question comes up like is equal Dollar Hall of Famer.
01:13:48
But I would say so I would say so.
01:13:53
I will put him in all just just 11 because the MBA MBA Hall of Fame is a lot more lenient then, like football and baseball.
01:14:03
So just look at his, you know, look at his last.
01:14:08
I mean, his last time in his last eight or nine years e mean by LeBron.
01:14:14
He's still great. Yeah.
01:14:17
Hey, want finals? M v p.
01:14:19
Uh, He's meant to the All Star Game.
01:14:20
I think maybe once or twice has a gold medal.
01:14:22
Uh, you know, everywhere he's been ever since you know his his last year in Philadelphia.
01:14:27
He had, you know, the Nuggets, where they wanted 50 something games.
01:14:30
When he was there before he got, he got traded to Golden State.
01:14:33
You know, five straight finals appearances with Golden State.
01:14:37
Now, you know, six now, like, let me just talk to my nineties in on the heat.
01:14:40
So, uh, hey, has a winning identity is a winning player.
01:14:44
Uh, you know, like you said, he's made some key plays.
01:14:47
Andi these in this postseason.
01:14:50
So I think I think he will.
01:14:51
Then even though he doesn't have, he doesn't have the numbers, like, you know, the old time Now he doesn't have the scoring and things like that.
01:14:58
But like you said, if he was able to If you had that jump shot earlier, that's like Steve Nash.
01:15:03
Stop Steve Nash, Great player.
01:15:06
You know, he did his thing, but compared to numbers wise, So a lot of these great players, you know it's there, but it's not their wives, right? You know.
01:15:18
What I'm saying, though, is it's like a there's numbers that don't show, you know, And that's what I was saying about Horford, right? You know, people will be like oh al Horford ass.
01:15:29
He can only score about 10 points.
01:15:31
Okay, that's cool.
01:15:33
He could score those 10 points, whatever, you know, But they're not talking about how many times he got eternal, how many times he turned over the ball or how many times he stolen or how many picks he said or how Maney, you know, there's numbers that are that.
01:15:49
I mean, if you look at numbers, you see the VA roster, you see who improves the roster, meaning, like, you know, you put LeBron James on a great stop team is gonna make everybody look great.
01:16:02
You know, you put Iggy on a great defensive team, he's gonna be a great defensive play.
01:16:09
Doesn't matter about age.
01:16:10
Doesn't matter not about any of that, because he might not be able to do what he was doing when he was in Philly and all that.
01:16:16
But he can still give you numbers on defense.
01:16:21
And that is the most important part because defense is what wins games when when the end of it comes down, if the score is 1 12 1 12 right, you want you to guard one of your best players, their best players because he's gonna be in their face.
01:16:38
So with that being said, that's why I would get from that Hall of Fame.
01:16:41
Like you said, it's not know football.
01:16:43
It's not know kickboxing and you know it's it's harder for you.
01:16:49
It's easier for you to get a Hall of Fame.
01:16:51
But where Nikki is like, you think it's out of respect that he gets because he was there and he provided good numbers for all of the players.
01:17:00
Definitely, definitely.
01:17:02
Um, yeah, s so that that wraps it up for our story lines of the finals.
01:17:10
I'm not gonna gettinto more like basketball exits.
01:17:12
And those keys to victory provoked both teams.
01:17:15
And what what? You know what the Lakers need to do? Thio win this championship and Miami needs to do to win the championship.
01:17:24
So, you know, we talked a little bit about the zone, talked about how you know the Celtics struggled with Miami's 2 to 3 zone.
01:17:33
Well, the offense was very stagnant when it wasn't able to really move the ball, get guys, get guys on the team, great shots, settling for ISO ISO place.
01:17:43
What do you think the Lakers need to do? Thio crack Miami's uh 23 zone.
01:17:50
They got to continue playing the team ball.
01:17:51
It's just like how we play to, you know, when we play against players that go against us at 33 we just gotta keep passing the ball and, you know, create shots for one another.
01:18:03
You know, you have great players, all your players to shoot threes except maybe your centers on the Lakers.
01:18:12
But even if that's the case, you still have 80.
01:18:15
Who could shoot, man the to the three point as well, Osama, Um, they need, uh They might need to slow down on double teams because the Lakers our team that you don't want a double team anyone.
01:18:32
Because when you leave one open, there's another problem behind that one problem that you're facing.
01:18:37
You know, you double team a d, right? You boom past LeBron boom passed around the boom.
01:18:44
You know, you still have these other threats for even Caruso.
01:18:48
You know, you just gotta do it.
01:18:51
So my what Miami needs to dio is focus on defense.
01:18:57
Play the 23 they gonna play the 23 play man.
01:19:01
And with that being said is, they're gonna have Thio.
01:19:04
They They're gonna have to beat Blake by getting bored just the way they beat the Celtics here on board.
01:19:09
But and that's how I see it.
01:19:12
Um, Lakers Lakers need to continue.
01:19:16
We're going to keep on passing the ball around too, you know, on.
01:19:20
And, you know, don't don't four shots, you know, because Miami will be right there behind you, forcing making you force those shots, e I agree.
01:19:35
I think I think either a deal, lebron definitely have to be on that free throw line to kind of crack that zone.
01:19:42
Or that they were Miami.
01:19:44
What they do, what they do well is you know, they zone up, and then they also close out very quickly as well.
01:19:50
Forced bad shots.
01:19:51
So I think you know, the passing is gonna have to be crisp.
01:19:56
You can't.
01:19:57
You can't, you know, have to minimize turnovers against, uh, against this Laker against this heat team.
01:20:04
They need to be able to cut to the basket.
01:20:06
I think I think, and I think some, you know, past fixed.
01:20:08
We're gonna play a factor as well, you know? Quick pass fake.
01:20:11
You know, these guys cut to the basket kind of get behind his own.
01:20:14
Uh, Dwight, Dwight and McGee.
01:20:17
You know, they continue to stand in that dunkers box on once 80 80 you need to take the money and the bam steps up.
01:20:23
I drive into those lives in there for Miami to beat the Lakers needs to be one more person that has the dominant we're gonna We're gonna get into that.
01:20:35
We're gonna get into that.
01:20:36
He's not on the court.
01:20:38
He's not on the court.
01:20:40
It's called the coach E.
01:20:44
I mean, you know, he's shown in the past what he could dio right, Miami inside. Right.
01:20:50
But again, the coach needs to stay ahead, because we you're talking about Lakers Lakers.
01:20:56
Technically, two head coaches at this point, you know, you have the original head coach, and then you have LeBron on the on the floor, you know? So he needs toe wake his players up by saying, Hey, this is the weak point.
01:21:13
And this is where you have to attack, you know, and you got to keep attacking.
01:21:17
You know, Jimmy plays physical ball, you know? And when the Celtics, I mean, the Lakers gonna have toe fix.
01:21:26
That is trying to fall into foul trouble at all, you know, because you know, if foul trouble comes in with a D or anyone else, that's a big loss on Blazers.
01:21:41
You know? Um you know, like I said, it's right now retired from the players.
01:21:46
It's really a game of the head coaches.
01:21:48
And it's a game of chest, you know? I agree.
01:21:53
Yeah, it is definitely, definitely definitely a chess match.
01:21:57
This big, big chess match with both head coaches and, um, and mind you, one head coach knows the player like the back of his hand.
01:22:07
I mean, obviously LeBron Brown.
01:22:08
Since then, you know, a lot has changed from then.
01:22:12
But again, you know, the best LeBron years, in my opinion, were the Miami Heat.
01:22:18
LeBron Yeah, for sure.
01:22:20
That was Yeah, that was his prime.
01:22:22
Oh, yeah.
01:22:24
And this this, this this goes right into the second question.
01:22:27
I mean, the Spoelstra have the formula and slow because of the, you know, the previous relationship.
01:22:33
I don't think so.
01:22:36
I don't think he has.
01:22:37
Hey, might have a formula, but it might not be the greatest formula.
01:22:44
You know, LeBron changed over years and years and years.
01:22:48
You know, you can't say LeBron James spent toe one place style every season.
01:22:55
You know, the plane making that's fundamental.
01:22:59
You know, the first thing you learn to do when you play basketball? How ball on impact, You know, um, but they don't tell you.
01:23:09
Okay, Well, LeBron James conduct.
01:23:11
I mean, we gotta stop him now.
01:23:12
You don't forget LeBron James to shoot threes now? Yeah, that's what's gonna have to do is gonna be up there.
01:23:17
He's gonna have to be able to shoot the ball.
01:23:19
Well, in this Siri's without play the post game and again, Same thing, Like I said for the for for, uh, for Miami.
01:23:26
You know, they don't They can't afford to be in foul trouble.
01:23:31
They cannot, you know? You know, Miami has probably the better defending team, right? And that's where they're gonna have toe.
01:23:41
I mean, in my I think Miami has a better defending team on the perimeter.
01:23:46
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
01:23:49
So, like, you know, it's gonna be a match of a band and Davis, right? And then, you know who else, uh, you're gonna have Jimmy and probably LeBron.
01:24:03
Yeah, you know, So It's like if you if you get into power trouble, you know you're pretty stuck and drives you has to do the same thing he did for the Celtics.
01:24:12
And Tyler has to do the same thing that he's been doing for the whole place.
01:24:18
You know, again, you can't afford being foul trouble against neither of these teams because that could be the biggest cause of the loss for any of the teams.
01:24:31
But as far as the Coach Coast, it can't.
01:24:34
He has to stay one step ahead.
01:24:38
And that's why I say it has to be a game of chess because you have tow kind of read LeBron before anything yet the hope LeBron not having a hot day where he can just look on the floor and shoot a three.
01:24:49
I don't know it, you know you brought has to step up and no doubt about it, you have to be able to step up in the Siri's.
01:24:59
Um, not knocking down shots is gonna be key, like LeBron.
01:25:04
I mean any green KCP.
01:25:06
I mean, they've been, you know, they've been ridiculed, you know, this whole entire playoffs for their lack of shooting and you know from its Like I seen that mean like, this is the home.
01:25:16
It's just, uh, greens highlights.
01:25:18
And it just showed one.
01:25:19
Picture him bouncing the ball.
01:25:21
It was like a zoo. The end. Yeah, exactly.
01:25:23
He's been getting, He's been getting ripped, he's been gonna rip.
01:25:25
And it's like, my thing is, thank you.
01:25:28
If you're white, you're wide open.
01:25:29
I mean, you've never been more open and your career playing with, you know, LeBron Anthony Davis.
01:25:34
Even last year when you were playing with just co I even on this maybe even on that, maybe the Spurs.
01:25:39
But you know, you gotta you have to double LeBron a a d so much better get try to get the ball out of the hands.
01:25:45
So kcp Kuzma uh, Green.
01:25:50
Those guys have the Caruso to.
01:25:51
Those guys have to be able to knock down shots.
01:25:53
Markieff Morris.
01:25:55
They have to be able to knock down shots because that's that's gonna That's gonna be the factor, especially against that zone, because they because honestly, what they're gonna do is just try toe try, try to crap, uh, really try to zone in on on a D and Brown and kind of force those guys to make those shots and live with that if they if they knock down shots.
01:26:14
And I think you know this area could be over really quickly.
01:26:17
If not, I think that it could It could extend, um, for a few more games.
01:26:23
Eso you know, we talked about Oh, then I asked the answer.
01:26:28
That question does Does he have the formula? I mean, yeah.
01:26:34
I mean, yes and yes and no.
01:26:35
But like you said, LeBron is, you know, has improved as a player.
01:26:37
Definitely improved outside shooting.
01:26:39
So I mean, he's, you know, he's seen a lot of film on LEBRON, maybe more than any coach, just because of the relationship they have.
01:26:46
But, uh, you know, LEBRON like like LeBron will have to be able to play in the post a little bit more play on that elbow.
01:26:53
That's another way you could crack that zone.
01:26:55
It's the free throw, Andi.
01:26:58
Just You can win when you're playing on the elbow, playing in the post, you can't really zone.
01:27:02
You can't really zone up like that.
01:27:03
Kind of come just come back to men.
01:27:05
It's just everything.
01:27:07
So e, don't I don't think he has.
01:27:09
The formula has some some things that could definitely make it tough.
01:27:13
You have the outline.
01:27:15
Here's the Here's the line.
01:27:16
How is gonna play? I mean, we'll see.
01:27:18
I think this this first game would be a real test to see what you know, what the heat do defensively.
01:27:24
Because LeBron does like Thio, you know, set the screen and try to get the mismatch on the switch.
01:27:30
Andi, you know, try to take advantage of that switch if he has a mismatch, so you know he's been doing that.
01:27:35
He's been doing that for years and you gotta got like a D as the guy setting the screen who could pop and control.
01:27:41
It's very, very difficult.
01:27:43
So I think that's why I think that's why you know they're gonna Mandy might have might have a problem.
01:27:48
Eso let's Let's transition to a diverse has been talking about a little bit, you know, to Kentucky guys both.
01:27:54
Both we played especially well in this playoffs.
01:27:57
They kind of have the same similar place called Well, um, obviously a being in the league a lot a little longer, you know, experience wise and stuff like that as well.
01:28:09
I mean, Olympic finals and everything.
01:28:13
You know, Of course I d has probably more I Q and stuff compared to bam.
01:28:20
Um, bam just needs.
01:28:21
Like I said, play defense the way he's been doing playing tight clothes, um, protecting the paint like he did against Jalen Brown.
01:28:30
I'm Jason Tatum with that.
01:28:31
That that great blocked by him for the dunk.
01:28:34
You know, um, that is gonna be really great matchup.
01:28:40
Like I said, that that's a matchup that there can be no foul troubles in, you know, because if you lose a d, then you know you obviously you have your name again.
01:28:50
Yeah, you have Dwight Howard, but that's just limiting the space on the floor now, Without a doubt, it is gonna be interesting matchup because, you know, Obama is really their center 80 placed forward.
01:29:04
Eso You know, I want to see if you know Miami If they bring out, you know, Meyers.
01:29:09
Leonard, if they play our clinic a little bit more, put Olynyk at the floor being at the five.
01:29:14
And it kind of switch off like that because it might If the Lakers keep, they keep their big lineup.
01:29:19
Either have Dwight and McGee Garden.
01:29:23
I think it's gonna be It's gonna be tough.
01:29:25
I think I think band the A D band matchup is really good.
01:29:28
They have their like You said they have some of the skills. Skill sets.
01:29:31
Um, a D is a much better shooter right now.
01:29:35
Um, you know, But they both have high I Q.
01:29:37
You know, they you know, the heat.
01:29:39
They played through Ben, especially on that elbow.
01:29:41
Guys able to cut, move off the ball, cut to the basket.
01:29:44
He's able to see them.
01:29:45
Um, he's the highest this guy for to me, you know, he's a 2nd, 2nd best passing big man, um, in the league after Yokich.
01:29:53
So, um you know, he's definitely he's definitely high.
01:29:56
I Q basketball players.
01:29:57
So it's gonna be a matchup, I think.
01:29:59
I think I think it's really gonna be similar.
01:30:01
Toe the nuggets a little bit.
01:30:03
Dwight on him.
01:30:04
I think they should.
01:30:05
I think they should start Dwight tonight.
01:30:07
Uh, Howard, our own band kind of take a little bit of defense impression of a D that once the fourth quarter comes around, uh, 10 a.
01:30:14
D.
01:30:15
Could you know play band and be a little bit more fresh to be able to make, to make sense on the other end and be able to stop them from from scoring.
01:30:22
So, um, you know it's gonna be a fun matchup.
01:30:24
I can't wait.
01:30:25
I mean whoever, Whoever whoever plays, whoever plays well, it's definitely gonna play a play.
01:30:31
A factor in swinging the Siri's so looking forward to tonight.
01:30:35
In that aspect, who needs to be the third guy on either team Thio to make an impact to increase the increased 13 increase their teams chances in winning the championship? We'll start with the Lakers.
01:30:48
Who needs to be that third guy You got got Barkey a right, But who's going? Who should be that who you think is gonna be that third guy in this Siri's that's going to step up? To be honest, my A.
01:31:01
It needs to be green or Koosman.
01:31:03
One of those, Um, I'm going with more green because he has more experience at times like this.
01:31:11
He needs toe fit in that role, what he's known for doing defending and do it right now.
01:31:18
You could be just a great defender, but you need to be that third guy, you know, especially when they're missing a talent like every Bradley big loss.
01:31:26
You know, if that's a big loss, you know, and with that being said, you know, you have to be the third guy.
01:31:34
You know, you have to make these places.
01:31:36
You can't just be all right.
01:31:38
Well, I'm just shooting defend.
01:31:39
No, you need to do more than that.
01:31:41
You need to play, make you need to shoot.
01:31:42
You need to defend.
01:31:44
No, you have to get there on time, you know, and not know shots down because, like you said, LeBron James get you as open as there is No tomorrow.
01:31:51
You could see down.
01:31:52
The block has opened us here.
01:31:54
You know the reason why you're breaking consistent theories wide open.
01:31:59
I get it.
01:32:00
Maybe sometimes you're just nervous.
01:32:02
You know, You don't think you're gonna be expected to be that open.
01:32:04
But now it's becoming who come? Yeah, and so on from Miami.
01:32:11
Third person.
01:32:12
Besides, you know, bam and, uh, Jeremy, right? I think it needs to be more than three people that need to do what they have to do on that team toe win.
01:32:22
against a team like the Lakers in my team.
01:32:25
In my opinion, Herro needs to be that third.
01:32:30
And Dragic needs to be that force.
01:32:33
You know, I'm not saying you have to score 30 points.
01:32:36
Now, I'm not saying that at all, but I'm saying you have to make those green light plates when it's time to come.
01:32:44
So the Lakers they need, you know, like I said, they need how? Whose mother they need great to do with as a third.
01:32:50
They need to be the third scores on the same thing with the heat, Arrow and geologic.
01:32:57
Need to be the either the third or fourth scores.
01:33:01
Yeah, I agree with that, I think.
01:33:05
Yeah.
01:33:06
Casey Casey, Me, they're I mean, they're the situation really similar.
01:33:11
I mean, it's really gonna come.
01:33:12
They have, but they have a bunch of guys that could make shots.
01:33:15
Um, I have a couple of guys I could score.
01:33:18
I don't think so.
01:33:20
But for the Lakers Yeah, I would like to see Koosman have a have a really good Siri's.
01:33:25
I think his I think his time with the team is really dependent on this on this.
01:33:30
Siri's right here if he plays well, I think they might be looking looking forward, they might be able to keep him.
01:33:35
Um, if not, I think they might potentially move him to try to get a more consistent third piece.
01:33:41
Uh, para LeBron a d as LeBron gets a little bit older.
01:33:45
Um, so it's a big This is this is a big serious for him.
01:33:49
Green, green, KCP, those guys, you know, in one year this, um but you look at what the Lakers, you know, gave up to get acquire a d.
01:33:58
You know, they kept Kuzma in the hopes that, you know, he would be that third guy to step up big time shots.
01:34:03
So here we are on the finals.
01:34:05
I mean, this is this is a big opportunity for him.
01:34:07
If he's able to knock down shots, he completely and not just knock down shots.
01:34:11
He has to play defense as well.
01:34:12
Of course, you had some had some good moments.
01:34:14
When when they first started the bubble Onda playoffs.
01:34:17
You know, he's kind of kind of lobster.
01:34:20
Yeah, exactly.
01:34:21
Against against Denver? Yeah, he kind of like a little bit.
01:34:23
And, uh, and some some areas in the playoffs.
01:34:27
Uh, kind of kind of seeing like Marcus Morris kind of got some of his minutes.
01:34:31
Caruso got a little bit more his minutes.
01:34:34
So, um, to me, he should be.
01:34:36
He should be in that closing five eso it's on.
01:34:40
It's on him to step up and and and it really be a big time big time player.
01:34:45
He put the ball on the floor and create for himself if need be.
01:34:48
He's not a great ball handler, but he's able to cut to the basket.
01:34:51
You could do the most good things, so I would.
01:34:53
I would like to see him be that third guy and and in this Siri's and step up, try to get at least least around 15 15 to 18.
01:35:01
Uh, you know, Rhonda's gonna do this thing.
01:35:05
He's gonna get you, like, 97 and eight.
01:35:08
So, uh, from Miami? Yeah, definitely.
01:35:12
Dragic and Hero have to be those guys and stuff up, uh, heroin, that, like I said, hero and heroine and Kuzma, those were the two guys coming off the bench.
01:35:21
So But you see, that's where the difference what this is higher was what first year you know Kumar has been here for what, Three years? Four years? You know.
01:35:32
So this should be no reason.
01:35:34
You know entirely.
01:35:36
You know, this is the first year, you know, expect rookie mistakes.
01:35:41
Um, but they need to be out of minimum.
01:35:44
Yeah, for sure for sure.
01:35:46
That's why I think Yeah, him and judging them together, uh, kind of equal is one.
01:35:50
I think they need Teoh have a good Siri's.
01:35:53
Uh, if Miami wants toe when the championship.
01:35:59
This title is going to be a challenge for both teams on.
01:36:06
I'm telling you right now beside operative is gonna be battled defensive and because they're gonna have to stop each other.
01:36:15
So that goes right.
01:36:16
That goes right into my, uh, second to the last question.
01:36:19
What do you think is the defensive head coach between Spoelstra and vocal? I mean, both of them against each other.
01:36:28
Right again.
01:36:31
This is where again, A battle of the trust game.
01:36:37
You know, you have to stay one up.
01:36:38
If lebron is hot, you need to figure out how to slow him down a little bit.
01:36:42
But if these hot you need to learn how to slow him down a little bit.
01:36:45
Um, same thing.
01:36:46
If Jimmy's hot, you need to learn how to slow him all your band is how you slow him down.
01:36:51
Same thing we're arrow and drop, you know, because the difference between the Lakers recently and when the heat, the heat starting five been doing big plays Lakers maybe three out of five.
01:37:09
We're doing great place and doing numbers.
01:37:12
You see what I'm saying, right? But if they managed, LeBron is, obviously wherever he's guarding is gonna be a tough game.
01:37:20
Whoever whoever you know you're playing, Jimmy is gonna be a tough game.
01:37:26
Regarded them, you know.
01:37:28
So again, it's just a battle of interesting.
01:37:33
Yeah, like you said, I think, and it's gonna be It's gonna be a tough battle because you know, Spoelstra, Spoelstra and vote, you know they have.
01:37:42
They have a history, you know, specials with the Pacers when it was PG.
01:37:45
Wherever David West they have.
01:37:47
They have some dogs over there on that team, and they really predicated on defense.
01:37:50
And Miami is always, always, always been a defensive team.
01:37:53
So, um, I think I'll go, I'll go with I'll go with Spoelstra just because he's won the championships.
01:38:03
Um, but I think I think Bogle now having that type of talent with with the defense of Ike, he could potentially make, you know, make a case, as you know, being it also, you know, excellent defensive head coach.
01:38:18
So I'll go with Spoelstra right now because he already has the chips.
01:38:21
Um, even then, you know, and they and they were really undersized as well.
01:38:25
They didn't really have a true shot blocking center during LeBron's time in Miami.
01:38:31
You know, they were kind of just we're great on the perimeter and then got transition points and turning turnovers into buckets.
01:38:37
Yeah, has them, but hasn't not really hasn't Wasn't really like a you know, shot blocker Joel Anthony.
01:38:43
They kind of had, like a you know, journeymen Biggs, journeymen five.
01:38:46
But then I remember a big right.
01:38:52
Thank you.
01:38:53
Because the remember Chris Bosh is one of the reasons why Brown got one of those.
01:38:57
Yeah, he got He had a big block on the any green.
01:38:59
Yeah, in that game six for sure, for sure.
01:39:05
You know, um, I see one question that you have here.
01:39:09
Yeah, the the who You know, the key victories for the first right? It's like we just say right.
01:39:21
Miami can't get into foul trouble.
01:39:24
Lakers can't get into college trouble.
01:39:26
They have to play tight on each other on they need to know how to stop one another.
01:39:30
Again.
01:39:31
This game is gonna be to me, uh, Game six, game seven, just like I predicted for the Celtics.
01:39:37
Um, I don't think it's gonna be a Z.
01:39:41
Zia's everybody all Lakers got this one to work.
01:39:44
It's not gonna work like that, because the way Jimmy plays, it's not gonna work like that.
01:39:49
You know, he's a real physical player.
01:39:51
He has a chance to put more in foul trouble day in and day out.
01:39:55
I think that is the focal point is.
01:39:58
Could try Thio get the licorice into foul trouble to not get their their you know their elite players out, or get them to go the place off for those elite players.
01:40:08
You know again, if you have you get managed to get a D into foul trouble, then at that moment you have a D.
01:40:16
You have Dwight Howard and be running the four or five and again that's only through shooters on the team right there and then And you know where the heat, You know, they can all shoot, rip.
01:40:28
Exactly.
01:40:29
Yeah, most of them.
01:40:30
Exactly. Most of them could shoot one through five.
01:40:32
Sure.
01:40:33
Um, I think the keys to victory for game one with some great points.
01:40:37
Uh, outside shooting for sure.
01:40:41
Especially for the Lakers.
01:40:42
Uh, they they have to be able to hit shots that we talked about in a couple of the topics to be able to knock down shots because they're gonna be open, be open there on I don't and they need to be.
01:40:55
And then someone they put the ball on the floor to Because, like I said, Miami like that.
01:40:58
They close out really quick once, once, once.
01:41:00
LeBron, once those guys kick it out.
01:41:02
Once they see the open guy, they closed out very fast.
01:41:05
So you put the ball on the floor a little bit, moved the ball a little bit more.
01:41:09
They can't The ball just can't just stay in one place, they move the ball, people just move.
01:41:14
I think you know, I think the most condition team in this Siri's is gonna win, and because it's gonna be.
01:41:20
It's gonna be constant nonstop moving from both teams.
01:41:23
So exactly, very physical.
01:41:26
So who's ever as I'm saying that that that comes down the conditioning as well? So who's evermore condition, you know, for for 48 minutes? Um, I think I think it's gonna come out with this w who you've got winning tonight and then when you got, uh, we're in the finals.
01:41:40
Like I said earlier on LeBron James, Miami East side always heard.
01:41:45
So how many games I think the game is gonna go upto.
01:41:51
I'm giving it to Miami.
01:41:52
Game six games up.
01:41:55
All right.
01:41:56
And what about tonight? You think the e think I think with the hunger and motivation that Jimmy has right now clean, you know, we're not the under dollars in this team, even though clearly, on paper, they look, that's what they look like.
01:42:09
They are the underdogs.
01:42:11
I think he's going to go in tonight and show them that he's not an underdog, that he hasn't slept since.
01:42:16
He's been drafted from Chicago Bulls.
01:42:19
You know, him and Derrick Rose.
01:42:21
That probably could have been another Jordan and Pippen right there.
01:42:24
You know, if it wasn't for the injuries and stuff like that.
01:42:27
Same thing with Joakim Noah.
01:42:29
Joakim Noah was also a great in that in that bull.
01:42:33
So I think, um, Jimmy has a lot to prove, you know, from a lot of out from him coming from Chicago to Minnesota from Minnesota, toe Philadelphia and all these players, people are saying, Oh, he's a bad sportsmanship, bad toxic player.
01:42:49
Um, I think he's gonna show tonight that he can play with the best for even for even, you know, whatever.
01:43:00
Not in time, he said.
01:43:01
Like I said, he's a physical player.
01:43:03
Hey, proven himself inside and not, you know, game after game.
01:43:07
He shoved What capable of doing, you know, so again me, I'm going with the lake.
01:43:15
I'm going with Miami tonight on I'm going with, um like I said, Game six camps up.
01:43:20
All right, I'm going with well, with the Lakers and this one in this game, I think, uh, I think they make the first they get the first w uh I think game was very important.
01:43:33
I mean, LeBron LeBron hasn't is not hasn't really been that great in game.
01:43:36
Once on his finals there, his finals run.
01:43:41
I think he's like one and eight or something like that.
01:43:44
So so e think that's an important game to come out and get this w So I think I think the Lakers get the W today and my father's prediction.
01:43:54
I'm going with the Lakers and six, thank you.
01:43:57
I just think that they have the size they have the they don't you? They have decided, have the i.
01:44:03
Q.
01:44:04
I think both both teams have fine like you, but I think the person personnel wise, I think you know, the Lakers have have the bigs like we talked about the kind of also have a band bus on make it tough for him and they got so yeah, I don't I don't know Why hasn't really played? Uh, Maybe he might play in this Siri's.
01:44:25
I think that be that would be a different dynamic.
01:44:28
Sent him at him at four before Yeah, exactly.
01:44:33
I mean, I thought, you know, they would do something like that.
01:44:35
I mean, they've kind of gone against some teams that, uh don't that when they really they really didn't didn't need him because, you know, Brook Lopez, the outside big house Turner.
01:44:46
You know he shoots.
01:44:47
He should be more of an inside being, but he stands on the three point line and the things don't have a big, so we might see him in a Siri's.
01:44:54
I think he might.
01:44:55
If he is able to play the Siri's.
01:44:56
I think that would that would make a big factor.
01:44:58
How much? How much is the fact that we'll see but right right now.
01:45:03
But you know, before everything starts, I'm still going with the Lakers.
01:45:07
I think you know Dwight and Dwight and Javal, and they have ability to rebound the ball as well, get put backs and they have high I Q.
01:45:17
I mean, they do a great job doing a great job of standing that Duncan box regional.
01:45:21
I'm treating my knees because of experience as faras championships with ultra, you know, uh, you gotta think.
01:45:29
But the Lakers have it, too, But LeBron Rondo, Yeah, but I'm talking about Coach wife right now.
01:45:35
I think I told you it's gonna be battle of the cultures and the end of it, Um because they both need to stay up one step ahead of one another.
01:45:43
They need to know LeBron James Next move.
01:45:45
They need to know that a d s next moving the same way they need to know Jimmy's and bands next month.
01:45:50
You know, um, at this point, I think it's just besides from the i Q.
01:45:56
And besides from the players, it's also what a battle of the coaches as well for sure for sure.
01:46:04
Definitely.
01:46:06
Um, uh, yeah, that's gonna That's definitely gonna play a factor.
01:46:09
But I still think, you know, even though the Miami obviously has the better coach, I think the Lakers just happening better duo.
01:46:17
And now they got, you know, two of the top guys in the NBA and then both of them able to score 30 and those other guys make shots is gonna be tough and that if they have to rebound, the ball rebounded.
01:46:27
The ball is gonna be huge in this Siri's, uh, minimizing second chance points for Miami is gonna be huge.
01:46:32
So I got the Lakers in six.
01:46:35
I see a lot of people Lakers in five.
01:46:36
I think I think Miami is, uh, you know, they're really good just sleeping on them, but I think it's gonna be some close games.
01:46:43
I don't think we're gonna steal out of blowouts on.
01:46:46
It's gonna come down the you know who's gonna be that closer.
01:46:50
And I just trust Brown a d just because they're just better players.
01:46:54
So yeah.
01:46:56
Alright, that wraps it up, guys, for this episode of the garden pod NBA Finals edition, Shaun T.
01:47:02
J.
01:47:03
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01:47:05
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01:47:06
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