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00:00:00
And I guess that's a minute we live.
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It was raining girl.
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Well, I should be.
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All right. Welcome back to sports headlines.
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I am hoping we're alive right now because I am not There we go.
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We're live. It's working.
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Um, welcome back to sports headlines, everybody.
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We finally have our marquee debate.
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Um, who is the better basketball player? LeBron James or Yana? Sandton and Campo.
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I've got Sean Davis along with Warren Bruner with me to debate.
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Um So, Warren, why don't you open first and tell us what you outside Rome? Uh, I'm on the Yanis.
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Thank you.
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And I am obviously giving the counter argument.
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I am defending logo my best.
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LeBron to my bed.
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LeBron, I bet you go.
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Alright.
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Eso Warren you He will be going first.
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Why? Why is he honest? The better player? How is he the better player? Uh, I don't even have to start this out, Warner.
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Well, first Warner, you go first.
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Please, Actually.
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Well, no.
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Uh, Warner, can you explain the rules from this debate? Uh, rules wise.
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We're gonna go two minutes.
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Um, please go first.
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Please go.
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First. We're gonna go two minutes each.
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Um with opening arguments, and then after opening arguments, we will We will be, um I will be asking them questions regarding the argument.
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And then, um, we will have basically free debating with me trying to stop in from yelling.
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So we have Sean going first.
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Okay, Sean, why is LeBron the better player? Okay.
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Thank you, my dear compatriot.
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And also Oh, you're playing on SportsCastrs so I can see it.
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Okay, so I don't know what we're saying right now.
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So look, first.
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LeBron James is the best in the world for a couple of reasons.
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Okay? First, LeBron James has done in his 17th year in the n b.
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A are you doing now? You're playing like uh, yeah, um well, my race has done in sustaining the high level of greatness that we've only seen from a guy by Mr Career one tomorrow.
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Michael Jordan was not this good at this stage of his career.
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Okay, um, Kobe, it is.
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Achilles went out at this stage of his career.
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Magic.
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Not this good.
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At this stage of his career, the level of greatness the LeBron James has been able to obtain has been absolutely spectacular.
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I wanna be just some numbers. Like quick.
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Okay, now, here's the thing.
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Okay? You cannot be the best player in the world.
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OK? What? Your TV is the most first saw we've seen.
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I don't No foreigner has the clips, but we've seen and winning and winning times.
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LeBron would call it that LeBron is more than willing.
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He did in the first round.
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He didn't.
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Second round he did in the conference finals he did it on are in L.
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A.
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When they face the books he did in L. A.
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Well, he's going to guard the best player on the floor. I'm sorry.
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What did What did you honest say when he was asked after game one with Jimmy Butler's dropping 40? He said, You know, Coach, Coach, the woman coach, the woman got him.
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But what? What happened in Game four? I want to say it.
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Waas with Jamal Murray was cooking and they needed a bucket.
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They needed to stop what happened? Wonder LeBron James said that Frank Vogel in the huddle.
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I got your mama, Marie Jamal Murray did not score for the for the rest of the game.
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Okay, now let me read you the numbers.
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Okay? Yeah.
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This is the best player in the world.
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You can't be the best player in the world and not when your team needs you the most.
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So not not only defend you're the best player of the year.
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UK got another player team's best player, but you're not even well, you're not even getting upto scored a warrior team. Two wins.
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Okay, now let's look at this.
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Last year against the Toronto Raptors, by the way, they started this series 20 so this is too gangster.
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Nucky with two elite Game three, they globally that blow Game three, losing a double overtime.
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Yanis.
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Where was he had shot 31% from the field, 28% from the line.
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He had eight turnovers and 12 points.
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But Warren, every time LeBron has a 17 point trouble double gets on my case.
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L. LeBron and mediocre game.
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That's mediocre.
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What is? 12 points and eight and eight turnovers, fouling out and only shooting 31% from the field in the close out Elimination.
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Back against the wall, you lose, you go home game.
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What does the honest doing a Game six you win is a Game seven back of Milwaukee.
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Oh, he's so good.
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38% from the field, 50% of the line on Lee, 21 points for LeBron has a 19 point trouble double and the world's falling off this thing.
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Now this'd me.
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This is the only you now and then this year, right? Came one.
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Jimmy Butler.
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Jimmy Butler gives him a business and outplays Johannes.
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He has Yanis.
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Onley scored 18 points in Game one and then the Game three, right? I think Warner has yet Warners two clips for them now in Game three.
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Miami dared you honest to shoot tearing them.
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Yeah, I was just trying to do a little bit too much.
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Only had 21 points.
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He shot 33% from the field, and it's easy to beat up on.
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Teams are garbage against against the Orlando you ever 31 in 16 right against a dysfunctional Boston's team last year was the honest do.
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Oh, he averaged 28 10 against a scrub ish instance Seen what the honest All you have is 26 12 by the way.
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Uh, well, he only had 14 a Game three, though So how give you the best player in number one when it when it matters most, your team can't even rely on you.
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You're supposed to be the defensive player of the year eight unwillingness to guard the the opponent's best player and number three.
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And it's so easy to beat up on Scrubs in the playoffs.
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But when you face real competition, you fail and you crack beneath the pressure.
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There's a quote, uh, pressure create diamonds with, but I don't know how that saying goes, I'm not really good that you don't even know your own quote.
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That's not That's a That's a saying.
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That's a saying.
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You don't even know your own singer. Quote.
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Um, so one more wonder how much time do you have? Any time you have a few seconds.
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Alright, use that.
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My final point is and and also wait.
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Liquid almost did this.
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Right click guys want to question the morning acts one or four in the question.
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Go ahead and then we'll go straight into his time.
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Simple question. All right.
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Yes or no question.
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Warren.
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What Two very simple card.
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Warren, who is the best player on huge last year, a camera.
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Anthony Camp, who was the more dominant player? Camera. Anthony.
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I'll answer that for you.
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Anthony was no Cam Waas dominant who needed a big bucket? Dominates.
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Well, you don't want to be my dominant right.
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I believe what you're trying to say.
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If you're trying to say it was more dominant players, John is.
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I believe what you're trying to say is dominant, meaning When he gets in rhythm, he cannot be stopped in the paint and going on.
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This is the more dominant player.
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If you're trying to debate that, you're just crazy.
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Yeah, this is the more dominant player, all right? Is it my turn? Is it my turn? We're going straight into your time, all right, So let's let's start off.
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By saying he did not mention none of the regular season, none of the regular season all playoffs.
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He didn't mention Sean.
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He didn't mention none of the regular season.
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Let's let you know that, uh, this is the 12th player to win.
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Envy people back, back, back to back, third player overall to an EVP and defensive player.
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Uh, let me give you some of the statue honest.
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Led the NBA in as a whole.
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He led the N B A and feel ghosts of the N B A and *** of rebounds.
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He led the NBA player and finish the radio.
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He led the NBA in defensive radio.
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He led the NBA defensive Wind shares.
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He let the N B A and Win shares per 48.
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He will have the N B A and plus box plus minus led the NBA defensive box plus minus.
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So what did I go to show, uh, tell you he living all major stats in the NBA? Also, let's get let's let's get some stats, not is 30 points a game.
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Yanis 13 rebounds a game.
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Yanis six assists per game.
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Honest one block a game.
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Honest one. Still a game. Be honest.
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Shoes shooting 61% team wins.
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56.
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Let's give someone LeBron's that he was a supposedly and the NDP race war.
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I'm nearly 25 points, I think the lowest of his career, I think the lowest of elephants career.
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77 rebounds per game.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is leading in true stats right now.
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Uh, 8, 10 assists a game.
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Oh, man needs to pass the ball.
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Uh, 5.
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0 point five blocks a game, 1.
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2 steals a game to stats to stats for LeBron 58% in true shooting.
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Uh, minus one.
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Is that, by the way, and 52 wins? Also? No.
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You know you didn't match none of the regular season, right? The honest is regular season.
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Do you want me to that? Sean. Sean.
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Sean. Let him talk.
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Let him talk.
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Yeah, this is regular season is arguably the best regular season in NBA history.
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Don't shut up. Shut up.
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Let's get this.
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Let's get to some Let's get to some truths.
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That's Tatyana's growth.
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Ninth highest box plus minus all time this year.
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1st, 1st PR.
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First NPR first NPR.
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He reached first. This year.
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He built Wilt Chamberlain 60 year record this year.
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Eighth highest defensive defensive box plus minus all time this year.
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And what did LeBron do? Not one, eh? NBA player broke broke into that top 10 all time this year.
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This regular season.
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Just wanna let you know that I'm gonna get into some advanced that advanced that Advanced Stats Court advanced.
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That's 1 16 1 16. They're tied.
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Offensive rating.
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Defensive rating.
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Yanis wins 97 106 Defensive Wind shares Yanis Yanis wins 5.
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3 point six Offensive win shares.
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6.
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16 point one Alright, alright Laurent just let you know LeBron has no more, uh, win shares per 48 2.
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79 You hear that? I can t o get out.
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Go ahead.
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How much time does he have? Like? But you get the point.
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You get the point.
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You get the point, right? You get the point here.
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Jonah, Jonah sleeve LeBron in all major stats and advanced that you have no debate against that.
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There's no debate against that whatsoever.
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Also, to compare stats to compare stats you can't even you can't compare Eunice's regular season two.
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Nobody this year you have to go all the way back to shape.
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30 14 and four was what Shaq had.
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All right? You cannot comparing honest and nobody this season also those all time, those all time records He's broke.
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No other player cracked these lists.
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Not one, not one.
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Go look it up.
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Um, yeah, I'm done here. John, go.
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Alright. Really quickly.
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Wonder before you start asking like clarifying questions.
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Whatever you cannot respond, please.
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All right.
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First warning.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Well, actually, no border.
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I'm sorry, Water.
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Do we or do we not judge players based off the playoffs? Uh, no, we do not, because M v p is based on regular season.
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If we did that, wouldn't m v p p on no playoffs? ****.
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This debate is Who's the best player? Not M V P.
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And even the M V P.
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Honest is the best player.
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Okay, so this right this debate is who's the best player? And don't we judge players based off of the playoffs, right? Warner way? Do not hold on.
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We account some.
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We account a lot of players success based off of what they're doing on playoffs.
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And that was that was the case, right? That every m v p in history would be debated.
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You know, you're you're you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.
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What I mean by also weight really quickly.
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Just until we start actually going back and forth, I'm just responding.
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This is like us back and forth.
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So it just use yourself for a second.
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Um, what I mean by judge players is being, like, determined a regular like, for example, right step one M v p.
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2016 right, which was great, but we judge his place in the ranking of the MBA baseball of performance in the postseason.
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That's what I mean by that right? And also you brought up how I ignore the regular season.
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Well, that's because we just play off.
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And also Yu, just that makes no sense whatsoever.
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So your clothes, so okay, 11 this time, But this time, hold on one second. Warren. Let him finish.
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If that's the case, Go ahead, John.
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If that's the case, Steph Curry should be, it should be one of the greatest players of all time.
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That that's the case.
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That means James Harden was the best player in the league two years ago.
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I mean, step was the best player for two straight years, right? So you wait.
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We're taking all games that were played out of the equation.
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Just gone, gone.
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You have to respond.
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E have to you because of okay, but you're saying I didn't respond to you, didn't respond to anything I said about the playoffs.
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Fiance's failures in the playoff give you the playoffs.
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I'll give you the playoffs.
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I'm talking about what I said about Yanis.
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Let me give you a playoff.
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Let me clarify something.
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You let me clarify.
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What Sean is trying to say is you have to account some of playoff success and failure into a person's overall ranking, because at the end of the day, you're getting paid a bunch of money to win championships for the person and the team that's paying you that money.
00:15:25
What warrants trying to say is there's an 82 game regular season for a reason, and that is to determine the seating for the playoffs to ultimately get to the championship.
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So you have to account for some of that to let Warren respond.
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Go ahead one also after rather than say, also he didn't want.
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He didn't want to mention another record season because LeBron took load management.
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LeBron took load management.
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Yes, he did, son.
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He he didn't take it.
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He didn't take as much as quiet, but he took load management and you know it.
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How many games Warren did he do you? Do you think he probably I don't know, but I don't know that number, but I know E didn't take load management.
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Hold on, Let you shine on you.
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The United States load management Tell me can answer the question E question.
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No, but it is LeBron okay removed.
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Okay.
00:16:34
Um so we're taking all games that were played before that Out of account.
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This Jonathan Jonathan regular season is arguably the best in regular in NBA history.
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I gave you stats. Improving on all you did was this.
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You have no responsible because it is one of the best regular season in the NBA history.
00:16:52
You can't debate that.
00:16:54
Um oh, yeah.
00:16:56
If you wanna talk about quality of help, let's talk about quality of help real quick for LeBron.
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LeBron has had the best teammate all time.
00:17:02
Also in your debate, you're debating all time greatness.
00:17:06
I'm How does he get to keep going and I'm let let let me.
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I'm almost done.
00:17:12
I'm almost No. Let me get this last point out.
00:17:14
You wanna talk about all the time? Help? I'm not debating all time greatness, LeBron, obviously, Wednesday, LeBron, your debate.
00:17:20
You're debating all time greatness and your debate.
00:17:24
You were debating office Warner.
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Am I right or wrong? So what I think what? Sean is trying to say is at this stage in his career, he is still a better player than Yanis because of the way he gets his teammates involved in his postseason success.
00:17:38
And Yannis is lack of postseason success is a detriment, Um, in which, and that's why LeBron is a better player. Sean, you can respond.
00:17:46
How can I say one thing? I'm not.
00:17:47
I'm not holding.
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It didn't come off.
00:17:49
It didn't come off that way.
00:17:50
It came off as LeBron.
00:17:51
He was debating LeBron best all time.
00:17:55
By the way, I want I want to say this.
00:17:57
Um, LeBron actually played more regular season games and John instead.
00:18:01
LeBron played 67.
00:18:02
Yuan has played 63.
00:18:03
Go ahead.
00:18:04
John and Janette still had better stats.
00:18:07
Those are per game stats, though.
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Okay? Don't we go off per game? Okay, Warner, and warn this is a yes or no question.
00:18:17
Very simple.
00:18:19
And this is the help.
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My argument as well.
00:18:21
Um, our stats like everything.
00:18:24
Like your stats, everything.
00:18:25
Question? Yes.
00:18:26
Enough without stats.
00:18:27
Well, what? We go off thin ice chest here.
00:18:31
Here's Here's the way we played basketball for the greatest score.
00:18:36
What? Here's what's that's what else? That's what we do.
00:18:39
What else? That is greatest score.
00:18:41
Who has the best score each game? Because we're taking that.
00:18:44
We're taking that into account.
00:18:45
You know what I mean is what I mean is that was a very yes or no easy question.
00:18:50
I didn't need a two paragraph response.
00:18:52
Water our stats, everything.
00:18:55
Stats are not all that you just a player on them, okay, because Okay, Warren, you said yes.
00:19:01
Okay, So, um, if that's the case, that's our everything, right? I just want to say you have not responded to none of you.
00:19:12
Well, if you actually I mean will finish the stop interrupting me.
00:19:15
You also didn't you also **** responses? We're talking about things I don't respond to.
00:19:19
You didn't respond to Janice's choke choke job in Game three of the Eastern Conference finals last year against the Raptors.
00:19:27
Game six against the Raptors last year.
00:19:29
And I'm gonna call him scared for not wanting to guard Jimmy Butler getting outplayed by Jimmy Butler and gave one of the Eastern Conference semi this year in Game three.
00:19:37
Not performing well as well.
00:19:39
But anyway, back to my what I was saying, If that's our everything, then James Harden has been the best player for the past three years because you know why? For foreign, actually, four straight years, his average 30 points a game each year and it's only gotten better.
00:19:55
30.
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4 36.
00:19:58
1 30 something.
00:19:59
Uh, finished right.
00:20:02
So that's where everything That's the case Now.
00:20:04
You wanna bring up advanced stats and advanced metrics or whatever.
00:20:07
So, Warner, what does the m mean in Most Valuable Player? What does that mean? I mean nothing.
00:20:14
I'm sorry to be What's the G stand for? Valuable.
00:20:18
Okay, Valuable.
00:20:20
Kiki said that one more time.
00:20:22
Valuable.
00:20:23
Sean.
00:20:24
Sean, go on with that because I'm about to go.
00:20:28
So the bucks with John is onto the coupon on the floor.
00:20:33
Or this in offensive rating.
00:20:37
Yeah, honest. As a team.
00:20:38
Yeah, The bucks with the honest on the floor there are first defensively, you honest e the bucks.
00:20:44
I'm sorry.
00:20:45
I keep saying on the bucks without Yonas on the floor or 21st in offensive rating.
00:20:49
The bucks with the honest we're still number one in the in defensive rating.
00:20:53
Now what you said is the Bucks went from 21st to fifth offensively and stayed at number one with or without you, Honest? Yes.
00:21:03
Now LeBron the Lakers along with weight.
00:21:07
What number one with what's the number one defense or offense? Offense.
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Offense went from 21 without to five with defense.
00:21:15
Went from one without toe, one with I thought this was back and forth.
00:21:19
Debate.
00:21:20
I don't way got into the back and forth portion yet Warner still hasn't been able to ask questions, so you respond and then he'll ask questions, and then we'll go back and forth.
00:21:32
Now the Lakers with Act Morning, wanted to go with to start without, Let's start with with LeBron.
00:21:39
Go with Without without, and then go with without.
00:21:43
Okay, the Lakers without LeBron their 29th in offensive rating with LeBron there six in offense and defense of radio. I'm sorry.
00:21:53
The Lakers, with LeBron, their third and offensive reading, and with LeBron, they're second in defensive rating.
00:22:02
So my point is that if you are honest is the is the defensive player of the year and most people first off.
00:22:09
This is why I thought Brook Lopez and rightfully so was an all NBA defensive caliber player because the Bucks are still a really good defensive team, even if you take the defensive player of the year off of their team, right and the Bucks off while 21st isn't necessarily spectacular.
00:22:30
But you're saying, uh, the Bucks are plus 16.
00:22:36
There's 16 points better with Yonas offensively, and there's zero points better with you.
00:22:41
Honest offensively, What's LeBron again? The plus minus.
00:22:45
I smell something fishy here.
00:22:46
I feel like I rehe****d this, but go on.
00:22:48
What? Just just go ahead was on.
00:22:51
So what? What are the Lakers offense with and without LeBron without LeBron the 29th with LeBron's or third and then defensively, six without second with.
00:23:05
So plus for y'all definitely went over this.
00:23:07
Is it my turn yet? Wait one plus plus four defense and well, plus what? 26 offense? Yes.
00:23:16
Okay, so what are you making out of all this? My point is, how can you be the most valuable player or the best player? Right? And your team arguably stays the same or in some cases, defensively gets probably even better than the Lakers.
00:23:33
And if you take LeBron the Lakers, you take a unit off the Lakers.
00:23:36
I mean, the box. I'm sorry.
00:23:38
We see which team gets worse.
00:23:41
The team that gets worse is the Lakers.
00:23:43
I know you're gonna say, Well, a D M and guys have a D.
00:23:46
Stats don't lie.
00:23:47
According to Warren, 29th in offensive rain.
00:23:50
Most of the time is with a D on the floor, Constraint.
00:23:52
Vulgar.
00:23:53
Does not like a smart coach, does not play a D and and LeBron off the floor at the same time.
00:23:59
One of them, at least on the floor all times.
00:24:01
Right? So that means with a D on the floor, right? The ball it the offense is stagnant and most cases right.
00:24:07
This is regular season.
00:24:09
The offense is stagnant in most cases, Right? Um it evolves not moving.
00:24:14
And essentially, they could just trap e to a certain degree and get the ball out of his hands.
00:24:21
Okay, So what I'm saying is, Warner, is that the bucks get sorry about your e.
00:24:31
No, I'm using that to back my argument because you rob like advanced stats and, like, offensive raining for each player and stuff like that.
00:24:39
And I'm also saying that the Lakers get I mean, how is the honest, the best player and more most valuable, where the bucks are, Especially defensively.
00:24:49
The Bucks are better if not the same without him.
00:24:53
You answered your own question.
00:24:55
They have a worst defensive team, you know.
00:24:58
They don't their first without them there.
00:25:03
What? The Bucks are first in defensive rating.
00:25:07
Okay, you just answered your own question.
00:25:10
Oh, you said How? How? How's How's LeBron off? I said, How how can you? Honestly, the most valuable player or the defensive player of the year? Where? Where, When? I can answer that? Yes, e Because he has a better defensive team.
00:25:27
It's simple.
00:25:28
You just answered your own question helping me because you know I'm not because LeBron has the worst team.
00:25:34
Explain how he's helping you, Sean.
00:25:36
Because listen, he just said that because he just said that because he has a better Hey, has a uh Yeah, he said that Yonas has a better defensive team.
00:25:50
Right? So that means that Yanez is it.
00:25:54
Morning, you get I'm trying to say right, basically, how can when Johannes is off the floor? Be honest, is such this great defender, right? And players number two players from all set it.
00:26:05
You honestly such this great defender.
00:26:07
Shouldn't the bucks get worse defensively? Uh, no, they shouldn't e He's been going on forever.
00:26:18
E Alright.
00:26:21
No, no, they shouldn't get worse because you're taking you're taking But you're basically doing your take in both players out and just using their teams as an example.
00:26:30
That's what you're doing.
00:26:31
If you take, you take if you take If you take LeBron out of his I like you just said you take LeBron out the team and you just have the team defend their team is worth defending and the other team without Yannas, you answered your own question.
00:26:46
So, Warren, I think his point That's the logic you're giving.
00:26:49
I think his point is LeBron has a bigger effect on his team in a positive way than Yanis does.
00:26:56
Is that you know, he doesn't because, uh, no, he does, because BPM says otherwise.
00:27:02
Bpm is the when he's on the floor, efficiency on the floor, you know, this is 11.5.
00:27:09
LeBron is 8.
00:27:10
4. That's not true.
00:27:12
Sean is going off on logic and stats says otherwise.
00:27:16
So on that I do want to say Sean did put out teams that their defensive efficiency that is a stat that is a verified step from MBA dot com actually set Warriner the link.
00:27:30
So how is honest BPM Better than a An offensive rating are completely different.
00:27:38
I would assume you know that what? I can't hear you e m and offensive rating are in.
00:27:48
Defensive rating are completely different.
00:27:52
I know, and you honest leads in both, honestly, role.
00:27:56
But I'm turned down your whole debate.
00:27:59
Your whole debate is take both players out.
00:28:01
Who's the better defensive team that might hold a team? Okay, so let me, let me let me dumb it down, Okay, let me let me bring it down for what I'm saying.
00:28:12
You're saying that without Yang is on the bucks, there's still a better team than the Lakers.
00:28:20
When LeBron's on the floor, you're mistaking that That's the That's the base of my argument. But continue.
00:28:27
I'll let you that That's what you debate about the whole.
00:28:29
However.
00:28:30
No, that was That was my last Are my most recent argument because you said something, right? Zio do***ent.
00:28:38
Okay, go ahead.
00:28:39
The James Harden debate is you've been going on for? I didn't interrupt you once and you're interrupting me.
00:28:45
I don't because you're mistaking what the base of my argument is.
00:28:50
All right, here s so I'm not I'm not done.
00:28:53
Also, one second one debate is just is garbage.
00:28:56
You're just throwing it out there.
00:28:57
Thio.
00:28:58
Try to disprove.
00:28:59
Disprove my stats that comparing James Harden the honest is like comparing James Harden to Kevin Durant.
00:29:06
What? Did you talk? So are you saying you honest? Is Kevin O sorry selling? All right, I'm back.
00:29:17
Are you saying you honest? Is Kevin Durant then not saying that at all? John, No! Stone out.
00:29:22
James Harden.
00:29:23
Try to disprove my stats.
00:29:24
James Harden is and all time off in the player.
00:29:28
Of course, she's gonna have great stats.
00:29:31
But comparing James Harden two Yanez is like comparing James Harden to Kevin Durant s player.
00:29:36
Not saying Johannes, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not comparing honest and Kevin Durant.
00:29:41
All I'm saying is John Chan's debate of that however the bucks still good without Yanis, they had the better defensive team.
00:29:52
Okay, so here's what That's what I'm gonna do.
00:29:55
Um, I'm gonna let you both very quickly summarize your arguments thus far.
00:30:01
Then we're gonna have to hop on to the other zoom call because this one is gonna kick us out.
00:30:06
So we're gonna go first.
00:30:08
Um, what's the summary of your and your already and you and you're already know you're gonna bring up 80? The last time to first team All Stars on were on the team was in 2006.
00:30:18
I'm already starting wiring Steve Nash.
00:30:20
That's the last time ever.
00:30:23
So your debate, your debate of that indeed is not son without a D LeBron would still be a some 500 team.
00:30:36
Um, can I remind you all? By the way, that little Lakers last year before LeBron got injured first off last year was such a down year for the Lakers of LeBron had 28 8 and eight in the world was falling off.
00:30:50
People seem to forget.
00:30:51
Before LeBron got hurt, they beat the brakes off Golden State.
00:30:55
It was a number four seed in the Western Conference without Anthony Davis.
00:30:58
It without a second all star on that team.
00:31:00
Now that the baby.
00:31:02
But without when? When the bronze medal playoff mode tell me the record and then I'm done.
00:31:08
That was towards the end of the season after he got hurt and the season was already really lost at that point.
00:31:13
Sean, We all know that LeBron wasn't really hurt.
00:31:15
He was resting up, taking lower management.
00:31:17
He could have played no, no, he could have played.
00:31:20
What did he know? Just like just like your honest could've guard Jimmy Butler.
00:31:27
But he did it just like he could have played really, really well in a big time.
00:31:33
Game six closed out game.
00:31:35
You lose, you go playing Game six.
00:31:37
He rewrote his ankle last year.
00:31:40
Last.
00:31:41
Oh yeah, he didn't get to get the **** didn't get my Game six because Jimmy Butler breaking Jimmy Butler outplayed Yannis and the playoffs.
00:31:52
Okay, And listen it really quickly if we don't judge players on the playoffs.
00:31:57
Charles Barkley needs to be a top 10 player of all time because what he's done, what he did throughout his career.
00:32:02
But why is he not in the conversation for even close? Because he does have a ****.
00:32:07
He didn't play particularly one playoff, right? That's why Steph Curry, right? What's the biggest criticism of step.
00:32:15
Okay. Okay, Shawn.
00:32:16
Okay.
00:32:17
Your debate on Steph, Korean and Barkley is what you're not.
00:32:20
You keep interjecting me.
00:32:22
And my point, I'm responding to your original argument, which was we don't completely judge players off the postseason.
00:32:28
Oh, no, no, you said that we don't at all.
00:32:30
And I'm saying that Z So Jordan, in 1987 1988 was the best player.
00:32:36
Wasn't the best player in the NBA.
00:32:38
Woman gives us.
00:32:39
That's on Jordan in 1987 1988.
00:32:45
Yes or no answer Yes or no question.
00:32:46
Look, then go ahead.
00:32:49
Okay.
00:32:50
Okay.
00:32:51
Okay.
00:32:52
Jordan got the highest wins here.
00:32:53
Total in modern basketball history with the 21.
00:32:56
2 single handedly responsible for 42% of the Bulls wins.
00:33:02
He won MVPs season.
00:33:03
Like which he should have.
00:33:04
What happened? He got a gentleman tweed because the pitches was Isaiah Thomas.
00:33:08
Better than that season.
00:33:09
No, was So So you're comparing the honest Michael Jordan ever said that? Never said that.
00:33:17
Never said that.
00:33:18
On is what was in that situation.
00:33:21
Yes, I'm comparing notes in that situation.
00:33:26
I'm very nice situation.
00:33:28
So it was, uh, Magic Johnson went on to win the finals that year.
00:33:32
Was he better than Jordan? You know, have less than a minute.
00:33:35
So when we go to the next dream, Water is gonna ask questions that we could pass the back.
00:33:40
So here's what.
00:33:41
Here's what we're gonna do.
00:33:42
I'm gonna end this one.
00:33:43
Hop on to the other one, and I will.
00:33:46
I will start asking questions.
00:33:47
We'll finish up.
00:33:48
I'm gonna send a link, are gonna send a link.
00:33:50
Did it already is already there.
00:33:52
So we're leaving.
00:33:54
All right, all right.
00:34:08
Thank you all for sticking with us.
00:34:15
Well, we wait for Warren and Sean, too.
00:34:18
Uh, come in.
00:34:19
I just want to say I wanna summarize their arguments.
00:34:22
So far, so Shawn's argument is Yannis has underperformed in the playoffs.
00:34:28
And also three bucks are actually a better all around team.
00:34:34
Then the Lakers are when both stars were not on the floor.
00:34:37
That's LeBron and honest.
00:34:38
Therefore, LeBron is the the more valuable, um, player.
00:34:44
And Warren's argument is Yannis had a historically great statistical regular season, and LeBron takes load.
00:34:55
I guess takes load management and has another all MBA player, um, talent on his team and Anthony Davis.
00:35:04
Therefore, Yannis is the better player.
00:35:11
All right, Welcome.
00:35:12
Sean and Warren.
00:35:17
Um, on reporting, the less is already on. SportsCastr.
00:35:22
It's recording.
00:35:24
Um, so yes.
00:35:26
Um, So I am going to now ask you all questions.
00:35:32
Um, I'm gonna start with Warren on this one since Shawn has been going Ah, lot, Warren.
00:35:38
Um, when? When? Yanis eventually, um, matures right? And and and get more experience and more experienced years and years under his belt, by the time you wanna say, enters his age 28.
00:35:54
29 season in his prime.
00:35:57
What? How many? How maney.
00:36:01
Um, how many rings do you project? He will have by that time? You really can't do that.
00:36:08
Kind of voting in your first ring until 28.
00:36:09
Not you, Not you.
00:36:13
Just give you the all time, all time.
00:36:15
Great.
00:36:16
Six rings.
00:36:17
He got his first win in 28 so you can't really compare that.
00:36:18
But I would expect him to get a ring soon.
00:36:21
I would I would expect to get a range soon.
00:36:22
If he stays in these.
00:36:24
What if he goes to the West? I feel it's gonna be a more harsh situation cause of West. It's okay.
00:36:30
All right.
00:36:31
Um, And Sean, what is the reason why Yanis would not have a ring by the time he enters say, his age? 30 season? So from his rookie year, all the way through his age, 29 season? I believe so, yes.
00:36:51
He's like, 25 minutes.
00:36:52
Okay, So the reason why Yanez wouldn't when with an MBA championship, Um, in the next, I don't know what, four or five years or whatever is due to the fact that one recipe stays in East One.
00:37:16
Boston is only gonna get better with teamed with Jason Tatum.
00:37:19
Who are you being like an outside looking in top 10 Oliver player? Right now, Jalen Brown is only gonna get better as he has been and the crew around them.
00:37:30
And another reason.
00:37:31
Right, Um, unless Yanis gets him, like, for example, Johnson's step, they complement each other.
00:37:43
So well, I'm not saying I'm just gonna say I'm saying that, but like dirty, their flaws complement each other so well. Yeah, step.
00:37:54
Not so grand defense.
00:37:55
Yon is supposed to be one of the best attributes.
00:37:58
Yuan is not a great shooter.
00:38:00
Or are you saying you know this is not a good defender.
00:38:04
No, I'm just I'm just like, referring to like, the past up.
00:38:08
I said Okay, okay with it.
00:38:10
Like the defense.
00:38:11
What are you talking about? The defensive efficiency for the treatment.
00:38:14
So Okay, Yeah.
00:38:15
Um, yeah.
00:38:18
The greatest of all time yuan is not the best score or shooter outside of 10 ft.
00:38:24
Right? So here's the Here's Here's the question.
00:38:28
No, nothing, he won't.
00:38:29
And the reason being is because you need a guy.
00:38:32
Christmas says That guy you need a guy on Christmas is not that guy. He put him in.
00:38:36
The West is over.
00:38:37
He's not making offer, but you're honest.
00:38:39
Isn't that guy either.
00:38:40
You need a guy to be able to create his own shot jump shot for verbally, especially in a much more because very rarely do you get those.
00:38:49
Look at Miami looked in mind series.
00:38:50
There's a couple of really, really closely a couple of really, really close games in that Siri's that Milwaukee had the opportunity to win the game.
00:38:59
And who do they go to go to Chris Middleton down the stretch to win the game? And why is because you need to be able to hit a jump shot in the playoffs.
00:39:08
So when your team a game, look at a D C jump shot, Chris Middleton hit a couple of big ones.
00:39:13
If you ****, it's a couple of times Jamal Murray Donovan mentioned Nicola yoking and so on.
00:39:19
Yanis inability toe consistently Even a 15 ft jump shot was like a mid range around the free throw line area.
00:39:27
Jump shot is going to prohibit this team and himself.
00:39:30
So that's the reason, All right.
00:39:33
Um, Sean, follow the question on that.
00:39:35
Can I? Can I go back? And I love that really quick.
00:39:38
Yeah, all right.
00:39:39
His jump shot has only gotten better year after year, so I would expect to jumps out to get better later on in his career.
00:39:47
So where, when, like next year? Next year? He shot about what, 31 32% from three.
00:39:54
I believe this year.
00:39:56
What do you project his next year? Three point percentage thio to be you Actually, both of you, You First, though, I feel like it wasn't a shot like a 28 last year.
00:40:09
28 29.
00:40:10
So it went up a couple of points just to get your perspective.
00:40:13
LeBron. One shot was like a 35 37.
00:40:15
He's not far away from head injuries. Consistently.
00:40:19
He shot five threes a game in the regular season, and he hit consistently from Dean.
00:40:23
Are you talking about you, honest? Yeah, Not just not consistently to where he could shut like the LeBron X type of me, but this is E 30.
00:40:35
4% to 32.
00:40:37
5% e quick.
00:40:40
Go ahead Really quickly.
00:40:42
Like like don't sleep because it's 5%.
00:40:45
There is a big gap between 32% and 37%.
00:40:49
That's the difference between, like JJ Red**** and Yannis.
00:40:53
I know, but my my example was like Warner said, do you think his 3% will get better? Uh, if we're going off his development over the past couple years? Yes, it s Are you going to say Are you saying he's gonna be about a 32 to 33% 3 point shooter next year? Uh, e don't know it.
00:41:13
It really depends.
00:41:15
E s o.
00:41:16
Do you think that I would expect so? Since his his shots only has only been on the rise.
00:41:21
But I would have Do you think that that increase in shooting, especially three point shooting, is going to lead to the bucks making Yanis making his first Eastern Conference finals next year? Inference Numbers finals.
00:41:41
They made the Eastern Conference finals, but but But Milwaukee Blue in 20 lead And Yang has played poorly in Game three.
00:41:50
Found out.
00:41:51
And then Game six and it closed out.
00:41:52
Game winner.
00:41:54
Go home.
00:41:56
Yeah, I'll played but back Thio What was going to say? Go ahead, John Shango.
00:42:10
Okay, so I brought up.
00:42:12
I brought up that multiple times and Warren continues, You brought up three point shooting? No, the when it matters most in the playoffs.
00:42:23
Playoffs, successes.
00:42:24
LeBron, I'm sorry on MBA Finals nine e successes, LeBron, let me Let me ask you this question.
00:42:35
Did you just say e LeBron has e? Lebron has the most success I'm talking about recently to I'm just saying you're glossing over that they honest didn't play well in the playoffs multiple times.
00:42:49
And whenever LeBron has, like a 19 point, you're like, this is your king. Oh, nice.
00:42:54
Okay, okay.
00:42:55
Okay. Tell me the last time you had a sidekick.
00:42:57
That was first team all MBA.
00:42:59
You, honest, is the okay question.
00:43:01
What did LeBron Dio Okay, Well, what was your question again? Name the last time you had a first team all NBA team mate, Ron doesn't me the first all of Yes, he does.
00:43:16
Answering his question Warner son.
00:43:19
Yes, he does.
00:43:20
You let me answer your question.
00:43:22
How you gonna ask me a question? But now let me answer it.
00:43:26
You you're saying yes, he does. I'm sorry.
00:43:29
Has let me just put one of this. Refresh you guys.
00:43:33
Well, has y'all ever, ever, ever, ever had even close to the caliber team? The LeBron had one.
00:43:43
You accepted it with space.
00:43:44
And so is that 2000 and seven, right? Who's the best player on that team outside? LeBron was freaking.
00:43:51
I mean, let's look at this roster.
00:43:54
It was like Mo Williams and they took sand and they went to the LeBron.
00:43:59
Will that team to the MBA bonds around the same stage of his career that you, honest is currently in, right, um, and one second warrant and LeBron will them to when it matters most.
00:44:14
We have not seen that similar time period as well.
00:44:17
Yeah, honest has that will, when it matters most is not, well his team to a victory over a team that matters in a big time moment. LeBron James.
00:44:26
He goes 27 straight points of the game five against the Pistons team that Trans develops.
00:44:31
And the crew, the team that just won the NBA Finals a couple years prior, beating Shaq and Kobe.
00:44:36
So, you know, they were legit, right? So to answer your question, no, Yanis has it, but But LeBron has proven that he doesn't necessarily need one.
00:44:48
And what was the last time LeBron before? This year has had a first team all NBA player on his team? That year, you said yourself that the last time this has ever happened with 2000 and six.
00:44:59
So that shows you never Warner, go ahead.
00:45:02
Whatever you want to say. Okay.
00:45:04
Okay, Now I gotta go off that you're going in the past again.
00:45:10
Yannis was nowhere near as good as LeBron when LeBron was 23 24 25 26.
00:45:15
But that's the same time, period.
00:45:18
Like LeBron 24 20.
00:45:20
Okay, At the same time period, LeBron was better.
00:45:23
Okay, with a better player.
00:45:24
I have a question.
00:45:25
I have a question for both of you right now.
00:45:28
Also to that first team all team debate.
00:45:30
He had plenty, wasn't the way. First team.
00:45:33
Okay.
00:45:35
And if the way was first team that you just negate that stat used earlier saying No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:45:41
I'm not gonna get it next that he was first team.
00:45:42
He was first before LeBron got there.
00:45:44
That's what I'm saying. Okay.
00:45:46
No, that year.
00:45:47
See? Get a consistent.
00:45:49
Also. Also, it does.
00:45:51
There's also it does prove LeBron doesn't get teammate.
00:45:53
Because last year he did Jack Garbage.
00:45:56
When? When? Here.
00:45:58
Hold on.
00:45:59
With the young latest? Yeah, they were the fourth guy he could have played but that.
00:46:08
All right, so let me, let me give you all.
00:46:10
Both both the scoop growing injuries are serious right now.
00:46:14
The Green Bay Packers, my team.
00:46:17
Kenny Clarke out with a groin injury.
00:46:18
He's missed 2.
00:46:19
5 weeks. Okay.
00:46:21
Sean.
00:46:22
Sean.
00:46:23
Yes, Jamal Adams also has a growing an injury, so those are not light injuries is not like you just hurt your nuts for a little bit.
00:46:30
And you just gotta take a breather and and, like, squat for for a few minutes.
00:46:34
Hold on one.
00:46:36
Now, my question to both of you is, if you were an MBA general manager and you had the first pick in in the entire n BA fantasy draft this season, you are trying to win a championship.
00:46:52
Who are you taking first overall, LeBron or you? Honest And why? And let let the let one person go before the other person takes.
00:47:01
I go. I want in life studio.
00:47:03
All right, John Doe.
00:47:06
The answer is LeBron obviously like this.
00:47:09
A trick question.
00:47:10
Am I supposed you honest? Because, Well, let me clarify one thing.
00:47:13
It's just for this season.
00:47:14
It's not for building for the future.
00:47:16
They are their ages that they are now and still says that they are now, right? So I'm defending LeBron and you want to take you on its like this.
00:47:23
The questions like why? Okay, So, first off, what we've seen with LeBron's get you motivated.
00:47:31
Okay? He's played his best defense since Miami.
00:47:34
That's number one number E.
00:47:40
I'm not debating that. Don't meet me. I'm not debating that.
00:47:42
The question is, um, are we allowed to draft another teammate or adjust them to buy herself leading the team? Okay, so you have you and Shawn have the identical rosters.
00:47:54
Say you.
00:47:56
You each have an All Star.
00:47:58
You each have one All star three bona fide starters in 1/6 man of the year.
00:48:03
Okay, then your benches fill that with competent bench players.
00:48:06
What player are you taking and what role will they play? And why for this one theoretical season that's happening, LeBron okay again play the best defense this year of his career since he was in Miami the early days, the year he was supposed to get defensive player of the Year and was robbed the defensive player of the year by a guy that was on all team second defense.
00:48:30
Which how does that even make sense of like winning NFL M V p.
00:48:35
But being all pro seconds him? But doesn't that make sense? Okay, I agree.
00:48:40
Start regarding Tanja there, but still, um, and then, like when it matters most in the playoffs, you want a guy that can win you a game on big time game for Leeds because the ultimate goal and all of this is winning an NBA championship, right? LeBron, when it's winning time.
00:48:59
And he would call, he's not afraid of the challenge.
00:49:01
I'm sorry.
00:49:02
What do you do in Game five? Oh, my God.
00:49:04
Gave because it's like, uh, easy.
00:49:06
38 16 and 10.
00:49:07
, what all Game four.
00:49:09
You need me locked down.
00:49:10
Jerome. Marie, I got you. I got you.
00:49:12
Let me get him.
00:49:13
Okay.
00:49:14
And then during the regular season, you're gonna see LeBron get other guys in rhythm.
00:49:18
That's why he's gonna often lead his team and in some cases, the league and assist.
00:49:23
But when you need him to get a big time bucket, he's available.
00:49:27
He's going to answer the call, LeBron for the future.
00:49:30
You gotta be honest. He's 25.
00:49:32
LeBron's 35 36.
00:49:34
He's towards is crazy for him.
00:49:36
Like a 10 year prime.
00:49:37
He's extent he's obliterated.
00:49:40
Look, the prime scale.
00:49:41
But for, like, the next five years, that has to be honest, because he's 10 years e.
00:49:46
I know, but I mean, yeah, it was like, five.
00:49:50
If it was like into the future, that's an unfair question.
00:49:53
But we're not talking about that we're talking about this year.
00:49:55
Warren, give me your take on that.
00:49:58
All right? Sean, earlier on earlier on, you said that you gave me honest compliment, the complimentary player.
00:50:04
He would be great, right? You said if you give Johnson Sean said that Yannis needed a, uh, ball handler that can create their own shot off the dribble.
00:50:16
Okay, if you give your honest that I'm taking honest, I'm gonna stay honest.
00:50:22
Why? Why would you hold on, John? Why would you take don't, John.
00:50:28
So I go, I'll give up from time to time.
00:50:31
Go ahead, John.
00:50:34
So wait in the middle of the date you just said, okay, if Yannis can't get a all star guest caliber player that can create his own shot off the dribble first.
00:50:50
I know, but you just also agree with that.
00:50:53
Correct? Yeah, because you said it first.
00:50:56
Yes.
00:50:57
So if we're going off your logic, your debate, your own self, but you just agree with my statement.
00:51:04
So what? A Yonas had a better teammates.
00:51:09
Teammates.
00:51:10
He would have a bail them out.
00:51:13
Like you always say, LeBron doesn't LeBron get built up by a in the playoffs has a LeBron had multiple horrible fourth quarters this playoffs.
00:51:20
Oh, my God.
00:51:21
You're bringing up the playoffs.
00:51:23
And you you're being a hypocrite.
00:51:25
You're bringing up bringing the playoffs.
00:51:26
I said, I give it to you more court, but e don't know.
00:51:31
You're trying to debate that Yanez needs a player to carry him.
00:51:34
Doesn't LeBron? Doesn't LeBron need players to carry into the playoffs or equal equal player? So 80 carry LeBron now and you just brought up literally 30 seconds ago.
00:51:44
Eso LeBron bad for quarters on that in the playoffs.
00:51:48
I'm sorry.
00:51:49
How are not for the majority of this debate this fitting out how it when it matters most in the playoffs, Yang is a no show.
00:51:57
And you want to bring the LeBron in the fourth quarter? Okay? Yes.
00:52:00
I'm gonna bring a LeBron in the fourth quarter because you need somebody to play.
00:52:03
Carry him.
00:52:04
John is have somebody to carry him.
00:52:05
Now that be a credible I'm going on you.
00:52:09
Yes, you are.
00:52:10
Hold on.
00:52:12
What would Sean? What sean said is that LeBron can feed Anthony Davis the ball to get him in rhythm and therefore rely on hit on Anthony Davis a little bit to score a majority of points because that z Yanis, that's I think that's kind of his point.
00:52:33
Yanis doesn't have anybody to rely on except for Chris Middleton, which his coaches Yanis Coaches rely on Chris Middleton more in the fourth quarter of a crunch time playoff game to send them to the Promised Land and send him home happy than they do.
00:52:47
You honest because Middleton has a better shot essentially on them, right? So my debated my debate is if I if Yannis has a better ball handler than other than Chris Middleton, hey was ****her in the playoffs.
00:52:59
So here's Here's Here's what I here's here's the team that I have assembled, both of you.
00:53:04
Okay, so not one second. One second.
00:53:07
So you're you have these five players and then Johannes or LeBron on DYA can basically choose your lineup.
00:53:15
So you've got and I will say, Yes, there are.
00:53:19
There's only two teams represented in this, but these were the first five that I thought about.
00:53:24
You have Jalen Brown, Chris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Gordon Hayward and Mark and Marcus Smart, um, to to use along with, um your your players.
00:53:37
So, Warren, what your what is your starting lineup and why? Warren? Oh, I was you.
00:53:52
I was unit. Uh, wait.
00:53:55
I'm sorry.
00:53:56
You can't read people This I'm sorry.
00:53:57
Jacob and Brown.
00:53:58
Marcus Smart, Chris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Gordon Hayward.
00:54:02
You can choose which one of those is your sixth man and which morning? What's going on? Okay.
00:54:08
And so what's your lineup? Smartnews Smart yellow brown.
00:54:13
Uh, Yanis.
00:54:17
Those are the two.
00:54:18
Chris Middleton and Brook Lopez.
00:54:22
Uh, switch switch small forward with Chris Milton.
00:54:25
John is a problem for it.
00:54:26
And Brook Lopez, a senator.
00:54:27
So you have Marcus Smart at the one Jalen Brown of the two.
00:54:30
Middleton has three honest at the four Lopez at the five.
00:54:34
Yeah, that's basically just Johnny on the Celtics, but okay.
00:54:38
And why Why do you have that? Um, where it is, e bay.
00:54:46
Same thing Gordon Hayward, when he was on the Jazz was amazing.
00:54:50
But since he broke his leg, e think he would be a better put off the bench.
00:54:53
Okay? And so why is that lineup going to get you honest and your team to the Promised land? And when When the NBA Finals.
00:55:02
I mean, you know, still doesn't have a prominent Baldwin, but that's basically just taking J basically trading Jayson Tatum for Yannas.
00:55:11
I would say that's basically putting honest on himself.
00:55:14
Thinks.
00:55:16
And the Celtics, Unless they have people Walker then out.
00:55:19
Okay, so, um, if you could you can trade any one of your players that are on this list.
00:55:27
I just want from Kemba Walker for okay for camera Walker.
00:55:31
So So you really want something that bugs Marcus Smart.
00:55:35
Kemba Walker.
00:55:37
Okay, So you have Kemba Walker, um, Jalen Brown, Chris Middleton, Yannis and Lopez.
00:55:45
Right? Correct. Yeah.
00:55:47
Okay.
00:55:48
And so why is that lineup going to get you to the finals? Okay, that line. I'm gonna give you £2.
00:55:54
The east is weak.
00:55:55
One.
00:55:56
You're in a neutral conference news conference. Okay.
00:56:01
Yanis Kemba Walker is argued not even arguing.
00:56:05
He is the best ball handler. Dad, Janex.
00:56:07
Whatever.
00:56:08
Have on his team One.
00:56:09
He has a great role player in Jalen Brown, too.
00:56:13
He has a great sixth man in Gordon Hayward when he can, When he wants to be, when he wants to be, when he's not hurt.
00:56:20
And, uh you have Brook Lopez, who can hit? You can hear from me when he needs to.
00:56:27
Okay, Alright.
00:56:30
And Sean, what is your lineup? And why is that lineup gonna work better than Warren? And do you? Can you Can you have the option to trade for Kemba Walker if you want to.
00:56:41
Alright.
00:56:42
I got Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown, Gordon Hayward, LeBron and Lopez.
00:56:46
That's my starting five.
00:56:48
Um, Middleton is coming off the bench. Yup.
00:56:52
Um, here's here's why this lineup is gonna work.
00:56:55
First off the illusion that LeBron needs somebody to help carry the load our carry, his team or whatever his false also wanna go.
00:57:04
More recently, the 75 18 4002 years ago, the second best player was Kevin Love.
00:57:10
And he's a no show in the playoffs, right? And LeBron with his team, they call him.
00:57:15
They call him LeBron toe for a reason, willing his team through the east and really to they had to winnable games against Golden State of J R J J R.
00:57:25
It up in Game one and in Game three, it was really, really close and then go to the state just went on one of those runs at the end.
00:57:32
It was like a three point game.
00:57:33
And Katie, you get a big time three.
00:57:35
Um But anyway, so that's that's just almost a swell being the notion that LeBron can't carry load.
00:57:41
Um, but anyway, Marcus Smart has really shown a lot in this in the Post. You don't know what happened.
00:57:47
You know? Whatever.
00:57:48
Um, sure, a lot in this postseason, he's going to play tough defense.
00:57:52
We already know that.
00:57:53
But offensively, he's companies coming to the God that can't handle the ball offensively.
00:57:58
When God, When Kemba was struggling and knocked down a perimeter shots big Jalen Brown has turned into a ball handler.
00:58:06
Ah, God, he won't create very many shots for others, right? But he knows how to create his shot.
00:58:11
He has a nice jumper.
00:58:12
Now he can get get to the basket with great efficiency as well.
00:58:18
Gordon Hayward is the unselfish.
00:58:20
I said equal dollar ask player for the Celtics.
00:58:25
Um, and give me that unselfish guy for us, LeBron obviously, in Brook Lopez offering that defense on one end, the full protecting the rim and also being alive, pick and pop partner for LeBron popping out, please.
00:58:41
Okay, so who is your primary belt ball handler on that team, LeBron.
00:58:45
And who's the leading store? LeBron And also I really quickly just really four ball forgot.
00:58:51
14 can really handle the ball.
00:58:54
All right, so so.
00:58:55
Fourth quarter.
00:58:56
Game five of playoff game non.
00:58:59
A non elimination Syriza's tied 22 Who are you giving the ball to in order out of those six players to win you the game in order? Ego LeBron, wait, creating your own shot? Or who do you want to lead the team? LeBron LeBron Jalen Brown born a remark.
00:59:23
It's Mark and then Brook Lopez.
00:59:25
Yeah, okay.
00:59:26
And then Warren, what about you? You said the lead in points per game or just the flash on.
00:59:31
So who's gonna be your leading score just throughout the regular season? In the playoffs? Points per game? Yanis.
00:59:37
Okay, who's gonna be your leading assists guy who spread the ball around, okay.
00:59:43
And then who in the fourth quarter of a non non elimination serious side to to Game 5/4 quarter, Who is Who is your guy that you're going to that that you have an inbound play set up for To score the ball on Get you the to the promised land.
01:00:01
Loki, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown.
01:00:03
Okay, so who's the Who's your second option? Yanis.
01:00:06
And then who's your third option? Campbell, Fourth Christine and broke.
01:00:12
And then Hayward's last.
01:00:14
Yeah.
01:00:15
Okay.
01:00:16
Um so why Why is your Why is the other person's lineup brown basically a better person? Prisoners, I would say.
01:00:26
Okay, Um So, Shawn, why is why is, um the way your lineup is set up, especially for the fourth quarter? Why is that better than warrant? Well, for starters, well, first off in a big time game, you want shooters on the floor and I'm comfortable with the other day with guys.
01:00:46
Did you say Hold on? Did you say down to No serious is tied.
01:00:51
22? Um, it's when I started.
01:00:54
Just give an example. Like last shot.
01:00:56
It's like clutch time.
01:00:58
So what? Number three.
01:01:00
Sure, down by three.
01:01:02
Tie game down by one down by two.
01:01:05
Or maybe you just want that guy to hit the dagger.
01:01:08
But right, so we have We have the shooting.
01:01:12
Obviously start to a market.
01:01:13
Gordon Lopez JB gotten better at it.
01:01:17
You have the defense.
01:01:18
This is actually a really good defensive lineup.
01:01:21
Is welcomed guard.
01:01:23
I'm comfortable, Gordon.
01:01:25
If I'm the weakest link, it's like, what? The way LeBron play defense issue from the weakest link.
01:01:29
But that's still like, Fine.
01:01:32
Um, can we can switch? They can go 15 for the most part.
01:01:37
Um, and it is not just one person.
01:01:42
Also, I think it's kind of funny.
01:01:44
One or the best place you can't trust your best.
01:01:48
Play the best player in the league to be your number one option. Okay.
01:01:52
Hey, didn't explain.
01:01:54
You didn't explain the first time.
01:01:55
If you're down by three, I'm taking Jalen Brown.
01:01:57
You said clutch time.
01:01:59
So big.
01:02:00
It depends on the score, though.
01:02:01
So are you gonna take you? Are you gonna take your wish? Your worst three point shooters over three point shooter and you're down by three times.
01:02:11
He was big, like, Hey, he was saying, Are you going to send you on to the deck here? Here's what clutch time is.
01:02:17
I believe it's the last five minutes of of of of a game in which the score is, uh is a five point differential so or less.
01:02:28
Yeah.
01:02:29
So which one of your players is going to lead your team in scoring? Who's gonna score the most points in the last five minutes of that game? Be honest.
01:02:37
Okay.
01:02:38
So what? And and and how is he? Honest? Like, why is he honest gonna do that? Because you get into that, he could get into the room.
01:02:47
So you're burning out by five.
01:02:48
We're now about 55 minutes left.
01:02:49
I'm taking honest to get to today.
01:02:52
All right, Go ahead, John.
01:02:55
So that's the case.
01:02:58
Game three.
01:02:59
Last year You're up to Oh, not tied 11 It's not you're not down to you're up to Oh, you win this game.
01:03:10
Trump's not coming back from 30 You win this game.
01:03:13
The series is over to game three.
01:03:16
It went to double overtime in the honest didn't deliver.
01:03:21
So what? What gives you confidence, Warren? That Yang is gonna deliver.
01:03:25
And if you say Wait, I'm done.
01:03:27
If you say that's just one example I've listed.
01:03:31
I've ran off multiple examples off that scenario throughout the past couple of postseasons.
01:03:36
Your response.
01:03:39
I'm pretty sure you saw what he did.
01:03:41
They run through our front.
01:03:42
So as soon as a soon as Yonas drives they have, they have They have two or three men on them already. E.
01:03:47
I'm pretty sure you can correct me on this.
01:03:49
I'm pretty sure none of the Bucks players headshots for him.
01:03:53
I'm not even talking about the Miami is very okay. Toronto.
01:03:57
Okay.
01:03:58
Toronto charged with the same thing.
01:04:00
I'm pretty sure to be honest that Johnny had no shooter.
01:04:04
Johannes had shooters, but then they hit stocks that game.
01:04:06
Question the corner does or does not LeBron get double teams? Almost every possession, but not as much.
01:04:13
Not as much as honest.
01:04:14
I don't want it to the paint going to the paint.
01:04:16
Not as much as Jonah's.
01:04:18
Okay, so So you're seriously and the teams are just that freaking We're talking dump stupid thio, Single toe man.
01:04:29
A man guard LeBron with a full full head of steam driving to the room.
01:04:34
So you're saying teams are that stupid to do that on? Didn't didn't last night.
01:04:39
The Lakers not last night, but the other day, and then you got didn't let this call to the front office and say, Yeah, I did that too.
01:04:46
And did you not see LeBron get smacked on the head multiple times He was driving to the rim.
01:04:52
Oh, wait.
01:04:53
You don't watch the games when we have nine minutes left.
01:04:55
Is he honest? More language.
01:04:56
Langi to get more foul balls.
01:04:59
What? What? Okay, Zoe.
01:05:05
Weight Really quickly.
01:05:06
Who gets more free throws the game.
01:05:08
LeBron Arianna Yanis.
01:05:11
So not that down e nine minutes left.
01:05:18
Warren, finish up your point.
01:05:19
Then we've done that's like comparing you versus me.
01:05:23
Going to the pain to get away up Who's gonna get more found calls.
01:05:28
I'm bigger.
01:05:30
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get touched. More in the paint.
01:05:32
It's simple logic.
01:05:33
Okay, so closing remarks.
01:05:36
Let's see, Let's start with Warren because Sean started with his opening Warren, Um, how why did you win this debate? What's your what's your base of evidence? What's the base of your argument? I want? What do you mean? So I'm assuming you think you won the debate.
01:05:53
Correct. E.
01:05:54
I want to make my fault, okay? And so why? Why is that? I have many points.
01:05:58
I have many points.
01:05:59
I feel like I've shut down Shawn's points.
01:06:01
Um, Sean didn't talk about much other than greatness and great LeBron.
01:06:06
Great, great, great, great and more great.
01:06:09
That's all I've heard.
01:06:11
I'm gave Sean stats.
01:06:13
Listen, I'm let him talk.
01:06:15
I gave Sean more stats.
01:06:16
I gave Sean as soon as I said Yonas had the greatest regular season ever.
01:06:21
Shawn threw a fit for a second I gave him, says Sean hasn't said nothing about that.
01:06:26
So I never said nothing about that.
01:06:29
And yeah, okay, Um, so specifically, what was your What was the argument that really nailed the nail? The lid on the coffin, which put him away, may bring it up.
01:06:39
Yanis is greatest season ever.
01:06:41
So his regular season stats and how LeBron's weren't close to that.
01:06:45
Yeah, it's nowhere near close.
01:06:46
It's not even It's not even debatable of how Yanis leads LeBron in every major stat and advance that Not even close.
01:06:54
Um uh, same thing.
01:06:57
Closing remarks.
01:06:58
Why did you win this debate? And what was your major stat that put away warn.
01:07:04
Okay, so Well, here it is.
01:07:08
Okay, so here's the thing.
01:07:11
Well, morning taxi thing.
01:07:14
This is something I wanted to get off, but I had never got the chance to do that.
01:07:18
Also, I never had the chance in the game.
01:07:21
In the game when the Lakers played the Bucks in L. A.
01:07:24
Yannis was guarded by LeBron for a total of five minutes and 21 seconds.
01:07:29
Yana seven points on two for eight shooting, one for five from three.
01:07:33
He drew 2000, and when you got has got LeBron, by the way, was only for half time.
01:07:38
Two minutes and 30 seconds.
01:07:39
Yeah, LeBron scored eight points, the Lakers had 14 points and LeBron was three per five from the field now anyway, one point more in three minutes less and the Lakers scored better and LeBron scored more efficiently as well.
01:07:56
Now, also, I didn't interrupt.
01:07:58
So here's what won me in the debate.
01:08:01
Well, want me debate? Is it Also? Warren wants to talk about me ignoring the the honest regular season because the regular season significantly is less important than the playoffs.
01:08:12
So that's why it is practically ignored it because if that's the case, Stephan Curry, you wanna talk about great seasons of all time? Stephan Curry, 2016 was one of the greatest regular season.
01:08:22
Okay, can I think this is my closing remarks.
01:08:28
And also, unlike the bucks, that Golden State team went 73.
01:08:32
And now, And also you wanna talk about things that I ignored? Well, I consistently Warner, please, please tell me about tell the line the statement.
01:08:42
I consistently brought up Yanis in the playoffs, which is significantly more important than the regular season, right? Yeah.
01:08:53
Oh, okay.
01:08:55
I need the next question here.
01:08:56
I e o.
01:09:00
Alright, duty.
01:09:03
Go ahead, John.
01:09:05
From which again, which is significantly more important.
01:09:08
And I consistently brought up the postseason, and Warren consistently, for the most part, ignored it.
01:09:14
Now and again.
01:09:16
I brought up how the Lakers LeBron more valuable to his team, then you Honestly, that is not true.
01:09:25
Already do stand that you and offensive rating and defensive rating are vastly different.
01:09:31
And also mawr like, can I suppose? Well, let him finish.
01:09:38
Let him finish.
01:09:40
Sean, Just just go through and tell me why.
01:09:43
Offensive and defensive rating also can less be finagled with them.
01:09:49
Whatever the heck you said, it's not like that bpm for a second.
01:09:52
Think that bpm or whatever, Um and also warn, That's individual.
01:09:58
I'm talking about the Lakers as a team.
01:10:00
Their team offensive radio on defense rating When you take them off are on and off.
01:10:05
And I also brought up.
01:10:07
I compared and want Warner.
01:10:09
Warren brought up how LeBron needs to be carried or whatever by A D, and I just went back.
01:10:15
And also Game 52 nights ago.
01:10:17
LeBron show he doesn't need Thio.
01:10:19
I brought up two years ago when LeBron with a less team that Cavs team is way worse.
01:10:25
Then this youth boxing.
01:10:26
LeBron ran through the Eastern Conference that you have the honest and then and then you know, the worst team.
01:10:31
In 2007 LeBron went to the finals with the Cavs team with Mo Williams with the second best player.
01:10:38
I don't want a debate because Warren's base of his articles just stats and stats on everything and points are everything for three.
01:10:44
Game is can be very enabled with because, um, they're not everything.
01:10:49
Don't tell the whole story.
01:10:50
And that's the case again.
01:10:52
James Harden is the greatest player of all time.
01:10:55
All right, thank you all for watching this episode of Sports head.
01:10:58
I don't know.
01:11:00
Go ahead.
01:11:02
All right.
01:11:03
The heart and debate again.
01:11:04
That's not even you can't bring it up.
01:11:06
That's like comparing, uh, this s player to this as player can't do that whatsoever.
01:11:11
Also, your LeBron debate that LeBron doesn't eat one.
01:11:14
Why didn't LeBron do that last year? LeBron could have played.
01:11:17
And, you know, if you haven't said nothing, that Warner guy didn't need to say anything because Warner brought up how boring injuries are legit injuries.
01:11:25
And I'm like, Oh, my God, let me just how is the prospects $1 million on his body a year, right? That's what he said.
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Just e, you're telling me that since he spends a lot of money, that means that his body can never get injured ever? I've never said that.
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E never said that.
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What I'm saying, what I'm saying is hot, but I still have a groin injury after a year later, why would you bring up the money then? He doesn't have a groin.
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How does he still have a groin injury? Just a couple weeks ago that LeBron was out for a groin injury? No, he has not missed a game in the bubble and listed him because it's still obviously sore.
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Okay, Shawn.
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Why one of the money? Because if you spend more money on your body, aren't you? Aren't you supposed to be less less or not likely to get hurt? So that doesn't mean that he can never get hurt ever in his life.
01:12:18
Never a alluding also shot.
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You know, here's what I'm gonna say.
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It's easier for a 37 year old to get injured than it is for a 25 year old to get injured.
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No matter how much money you spend on your body.
01:12:36
Um, this is going okay.
01:12:37
Also, also, he's bringing up the playoff debate and the record season debate.
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We both we both ignored both.
01:12:47
But if you're taking the best player, if you're taking the best player, you're taking a hold on.
01:12:52
Hold on.
01:12:53
If you're taking the best player into account, what did you want to take all game into one.
01:12:58
So what you're saying is, basically, we should get all the film together.
01:13:05
All the stats together for postseason, saying that Sean is taking a small portion of a playoff.
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Don't matter e that do matter.
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But if you're a from a game season honest when it matters, has failed in the playoffs failed f A i l e d.
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I think John had a top tier player.
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A tear player has performed better than you had last year.
01:13:36
LeBron didn't have a top tier player last year and he didn't do nothing.
01:13:40
He was Hey, could have played 2018 and 2018.
01:13:46
LeBron had Kevin freaking love and he was driving 51 at 40 a week.
01:13:52
Alright, listen, wait.
01:13:54
Seven.
01:13:55
They're goddesses in the weekend.
01:13:57
He wants to get you want to get seven in the Pacers? You said that this is the no.
01:14:01
What we've got to do is we have less than a minute on this room. Call Sean.
01:14:05
John.
01:14:06
This wasn't as good as LeBron in 2018.
01:14:08
Listen, LeBron was supposed to win MVP that year, alright? We're gonna have to end this episode here.
01:14:17
Make sure you go vote on the Twitter poll, uh, to see who won this argument.
01:14:21
There will also be a link to this stream.
01:14:23
We never got that back and forth.
01:14:24
Either way, you have been going back and forth all the way.
01:14:29
We've been going back and forth.
01:14:30
We keep on getting muted like so that Warner can energy.
01:14:35
So, um, thank you all for watching.
01:14:38
This episode is always was powered by crossover media across over 3. 65.
01:14:45
And the meeting has ended.
01:14:47
So, um, thank you all.
01:14:50
Thank you all for watching and
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SH Debates: LeBron vs Giannis

10 years after Kobe Bryant won the Los Angeles Lakers their 16th NBA championship, LeBron James has the opportunity to win banner No. 17 for the Purple and Gold. After beating the Denver Nuggets on Saturday to advance to the NBA Finals, James shared one of his biggest Kobe Bryant regrets. According to Chris Haynes of […]

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It was raining girl.
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Well, I should be.
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All right. Welcome back to sports headlines.
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I am hoping we're alive right now because I am not There we go.
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We're live. It's working.
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Um, welcome back to sports headlines, everybody.
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We finally have our marquee debate.
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Um, who is the better basketball player? LeBron James or Yana? Sandton and Campo.
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I've got Sean Davis along with Warren Bruner with me to debate.
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Um So, Warren, why don't you open first and tell us what you outside Rome? Uh, I'm on the Yanis.
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Thank you.
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And I am obviously giving the counter argument.
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I am defending logo my best.
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LeBron to my bed.
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LeBron, I bet you go.
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Alright.
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Eso Warren you He will be going first.
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Why? Why is he honest? The better player? How is he the better player? Uh, I don't even have to start this out, Warner.
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Well, first Warner, you go first.
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Please, Actually.
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Well, no.
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Uh, Warner, can you explain the rules from this debate? Uh, rules wise.
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We're gonna go two minutes.
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Um, please go first.
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Please go.
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First. We're gonna go two minutes each.
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Um with opening arguments, and then after opening arguments, we will We will be, um I will be asking them questions regarding the argument.
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And then, um, we will have basically free debating with me trying to stop in from yelling.
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So we have Sean going first.
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Okay, Sean, why is LeBron the better player? Okay.
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Thank you, my dear compatriot.
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And also Oh, you're playing on SportsCastrs so I can see it.
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Okay, so I don't know what we're saying right now.
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So look, first.
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LeBron James is the best in the world for a couple of reasons.
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Okay? First, LeBron James has done in his 17th year in the n b.
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A are you doing now? You're playing like uh, yeah, um well, my race has done in sustaining the high level of greatness that we've only seen from a guy by Mr Career one tomorrow.
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Michael Jordan was not this good at this stage of his career.
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Okay, um, Kobe, it is.
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Achilles went out at this stage of his career.
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Magic.
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Not this good.
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At this stage of his career, the level of greatness the LeBron James has been able to obtain has been absolutely spectacular.
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I wanna be just some numbers. Like quick.
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Okay, now, here's the thing.
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Okay? You cannot be the best player in the world.
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OK? What? Your TV is the most first saw we've seen.
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I don't No foreigner has the clips, but we've seen and winning and winning times.
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LeBron would call it that LeBron is more than willing.
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He did in the first round.
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He didn't.
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Second round he did in the conference finals he did it on are in L.
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A.
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When they face the books he did in L. A.
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Well, he's going to guard the best player on the floor. I'm sorry.
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What did What did you honest say when he was asked after game one with Jimmy Butler's dropping 40? He said, You know, Coach, Coach, the woman coach, the woman got him.
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But what? What happened in Game four? I want to say it.
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Waas with Jamal Murray was cooking and they needed a bucket.
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They needed to stop what happened? Wonder LeBron James said that Frank Vogel in the huddle.
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I got your mama, Marie Jamal Murray did not score for the for the rest of the game.
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Okay, now let me read you the numbers.
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Okay? Yeah.
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This is the best player in the world.
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You can't be the best player in the world and not when your team needs you the most.
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So not not only defend you're the best player of the year.
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UK got another player team's best player, but you're not even well, you're not even getting upto scored a warrior team. Two wins.
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Okay, now let's look at this.
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Last year against the Toronto Raptors, by the way, they started this series 20 so this is too gangster.
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Nucky with two elite Game three, they globally that blow Game three, losing a double overtime.
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Yanis.
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Where was he had shot 31% from the field, 28% from the line.
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He had eight turnovers and 12 points.
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But Warren, every time LeBron has a 17 point trouble double gets on my case.
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L. LeBron and mediocre game.
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That's mediocre.
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What is? 12 points and eight and eight turnovers, fouling out and only shooting 31% from the field in the close out Elimination.
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Back against the wall, you lose, you go home game.
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What does the honest doing a Game six you win is a Game seven back of Milwaukee.
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Oh, he's so good.
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38% from the field, 50% of the line on Lee, 21 points for LeBron has a 19 point trouble double and the world's falling off this thing.
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Now this'd me.
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This is the only you now and then this year, right? Came one.
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Jimmy Butler.
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Jimmy Butler gives him a business and outplays Johannes.
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He has Yanis.
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Onley scored 18 points in Game one and then the Game three, right? I think Warner has yet Warners two clips for them now in Game three.
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Miami dared you honest to shoot tearing them.
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Yeah, I was just trying to do a little bit too much.
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Only had 21 points.
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He shot 33% from the field, and it's easy to beat up on.
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Teams are garbage against against the Orlando you ever 31 in 16 right against a dysfunctional Boston's team last year was the honest do.
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Oh, he averaged 28 10 against a scrub ish instance Seen what the honest All you have is 26 12 by the way.
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Uh, well, he only had 14 a Game three, though So how give you the best player in number one when it when it matters most, your team can't even rely on you.
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You're supposed to be the defensive player of the year eight unwillingness to guard the the opponent's best player and number three.
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And it's so easy to beat up on Scrubs in the playoffs.
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But when you face real competition, you fail and you crack beneath the pressure.
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There's a quote, uh, pressure create diamonds with, but I don't know how that saying goes, I'm not really good that you don't even know your own quote.
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That's not That's a That's a saying.
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That's a saying.
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You don't even know your own singer. Quote.
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Um, so one more wonder how much time do you have? Any time you have a few seconds.
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Alright, use that.
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My final point is and and also wait.
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Liquid almost did this.
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Right click guys want to question the morning acts one or four in the question.
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Go ahead and then we'll go straight into his time.
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Simple question. All right.
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Yes or no question.
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Warren.
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What Two very simple card.
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Warren, who is the best player on huge last year, a camera.
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Anthony Camp, who was the more dominant player? Camera. Anthony.
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I'll answer that for you.
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Anthony was no Cam Waas dominant who needed a big bucket? Dominates.
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Well, you don't want to be my dominant right.
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I believe what you're trying to say.
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If you're trying to say it was more dominant players, John is.
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I believe what you're trying to say is dominant, meaning When he gets in rhythm, he cannot be stopped in the paint and going on.
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This is the more dominant player.
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If you're trying to debate that, you're just crazy.
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Yeah, this is the more dominant player, all right? Is it my turn? Is it my turn? We're going straight into your time, all right, So let's let's start off.
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By saying he did not mention none of the regular season, none of the regular season all playoffs.
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He didn't mention Sean.
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He didn't mention none of the regular season.
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Let's let you know that, uh, this is the 12th player to win.
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Envy people back, back, back to back, third player overall to an EVP and defensive player.
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Uh, let me give you some of the statue honest.
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Led the NBA in as a whole.
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He led the N B A and feel ghosts of the N B A and *** of rebounds.
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He led the NBA player and finish the radio.
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He led the NBA in defensive radio.
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He led the NBA defensive Wind shares.
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He let the N B A and Win shares per 48.
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He will have the N B A and plus box plus minus led the NBA defensive box plus minus.
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So what did I go to show, uh, tell you he living all major stats in the NBA? Also, let's get let's let's get some stats, not is 30 points a game.
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Yanis 13 rebounds a game.
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Yanis six assists per game.
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Honest one block a game.
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Honest one. Still a game. Be honest.
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Shoes shooting 61% team wins.
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56.
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Let's give someone LeBron's that he was a supposedly and the NDP race war.
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I'm nearly 25 points, I think the lowest of his career, I think the lowest of elephants career.
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77 rebounds per game.
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Oh, yeah.
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This is leading in true stats right now.
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Uh, 8, 10 assists a game.
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Oh, man needs to pass the ball.
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Uh, 5.
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0 point five blocks a game, 1.
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2 steals a game to stats to stats for LeBron 58% in true shooting.
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Uh, minus one.
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Is that, by the way, and 52 wins? Also? No.
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You know you didn't match none of the regular season, right? The honest is regular season.
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Do you want me to that? Sean. Sean.
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Sean. Let him talk.
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Let him talk.
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Yeah, this is regular season is arguably the best regular season in NBA history.
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Don't shut up. Shut up.
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Let's get this.
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Let's get to some Let's get to some truths.
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That's Tatyana's growth.
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Ninth highest box plus minus all time this year.
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1st, 1st PR.
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First NPR first NPR.
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He reached first. This year.
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He built Wilt Chamberlain 60 year record this year.
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Eighth highest defensive defensive box plus minus all time this year.
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And what did LeBron do? Not one, eh? NBA player broke broke into that top 10 all time this year.
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This regular season.
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Just wanna let you know that I'm gonna get into some advanced that advanced that Advanced Stats Court advanced.
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That's 1 16 1 16. They're tied.
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Offensive rating.
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Defensive rating.
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Yanis wins 97 106 Defensive Wind shares Yanis Yanis wins 5.
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3 point six Offensive win shares.
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6.
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16 point one Alright, alright Laurent just let you know LeBron has no more, uh, win shares per 48 2.
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79 You hear that? I can t o get out.
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Go ahead.
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How much time does he have? Like? But you get the point.
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You get the point.
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You get the point, right? You get the point here.
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Jonah, Jonah sleeve LeBron in all major stats and advanced that you have no debate against that.
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There's no debate against that whatsoever.
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Also, to compare stats to compare stats you can't even you can't compare Eunice's regular season two.
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Nobody this year you have to go all the way back to shape.
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30 14 and four was what Shaq had.
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All right? You cannot comparing honest and nobody this season also those all time, those all time records He's broke.
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No other player cracked these lists.
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Not one, not one.
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Go look it up.
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Um, yeah, I'm done here. John, go.
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Alright. Really quickly.
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Wonder before you start asking like clarifying questions.
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Whatever you cannot respond, please.
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All right.
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First warning.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Well, actually, no border.
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I'm sorry, Water.
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Do we or do we not judge players based off the playoffs? Uh, no, we do not, because M v p is based on regular season.
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If we did that, wouldn't m v p p on no playoffs? ****.
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This debate is Who's the best player? Not M V P.
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And even the M V P.
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Honest is the best player.
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Okay, so this right this debate is who's the best player? And don't we judge players based off of the playoffs, right? Warner way? Do not hold on.
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We account some.
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We account a lot of players success based off of what they're doing on playoffs.
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And that was that was the case, right? That every m v p in history would be debated.
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You know, you're you're you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.
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What I mean by also weight really quickly.
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Just until we start actually going back and forth, I'm just responding.
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This is like us back and forth.
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So it just use yourself for a second.
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Um, what I mean by judge players is being, like, determined a regular like, for example, right step one M v p.
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2016 right, which was great, but we judge his place in the ranking of the MBA baseball of performance in the postseason.
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That's what I mean by that right? And also you brought up how I ignore the regular season.
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Well, that's because we just play off.
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And also Yu, just that makes no sense whatsoever.
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So your clothes, so okay, 11 this time, But this time, hold on one second. Warren. Let him finish.
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If that's the case, Go ahead, John.
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If that's the case, Steph Curry should be, it should be one of the greatest players of all time.
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That that's the case.
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That means James Harden was the best player in the league two years ago.
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I mean, step was the best player for two straight years, right? So you wait.
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We're taking all games that were played out of the equation.
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Just gone, gone.
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You have to respond.
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E have to you because of okay, but you're saying I didn't respond to you, didn't respond to anything I said about the playoffs.
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Fiance's failures in the playoff give you the playoffs.
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I'll give you the playoffs.
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I'm talking about what I said about Yanis.
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Let me give you a playoff.
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Let me clarify something.
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You let me clarify.
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What Sean is trying to say is you have to account some of playoff success and failure into a person's overall ranking, because at the end of the day, you're getting paid a bunch of money to win championships for the person and the team that's paying you that money.
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What warrants trying to say is there's an 82 game regular season for a reason, and that is to determine the seating for the playoffs to ultimately get to the championship.
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So you have to account for some of that to let Warren respond.
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Go ahead one also after rather than say, also he didn't want.
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He didn't want to mention another record season because LeBron took load management.
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LeBron took load management.
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Yes, he did, son.
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He he didn't take it.
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He didn't take as much as quiet, but he took load management and you know it.
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How many games Warren did he do you? Do you think he probably I don't know, but I don't know that number, but I know E didn't take load management.
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Hold on, Let you shine on you.
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The United States load management Tell me can answer the question E question.
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No, but it is LeBron okay removed.
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Okay.
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Um so we're taking all games that were played before that Out of account.
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This Jonathan Jonathan regular season is arguably the best in regular in NBA history.
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I gave you stats. Improving on all you did was this.
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You have no responsible because it is one of the best regular season in the NBA history.
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You can't debate that.
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Um oh, yeah.
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If you wanna talk about quality of help, let's talk about quality of help real quick for LeBron.
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LeBron has had the best teammate all time.
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Also in your debate, you're debating all time greatness.
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I'm How does he get to keep going and I'm let let let me.
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I'm almost done.
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I'm almost No. Let me get this last point out.
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You wanna talk about all the time? Help? I'm not debating all time greatness, LeBron, obviously, Wednesday, LeBron, your debate.
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You're debating all time greatness and your debate.
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You were debating office Warner.
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Am I right or wrong? So what I think what? Sean is trying to say is at this stage in his career, he is still a better player than Yanis because of the way he gets his teammates involved in his postseason success.
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And Yannis is lack of postseason success is a detriment, Um, in which, and that's why LeBron is a better player. Sean, you can respond.
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How can I say one thing? I'm not.
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I'm not holding.
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It didn't come off.
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It didn't come off that way.
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It came off as LeBron.
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He was debating LeBron best all time.
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By the way, I want I want to say this.
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Um, LeBron actually played more regular season games and John instead.
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LeBron played 67.
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Yuan has played 63.
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Go ahead.
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John and Janette still had better stats.
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Those are per game stats, though.
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Okay? Don't we go off per game? Okay, Warner, and warn this is a yes or no question.
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Very simple.
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And this is the help.
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My argument as well.
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Um, our stats like everything.
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Like your stats, everything.
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Question? Yes.
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Enough without stats.
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Well, what? We go off thin ice chest here.
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Here's Here's the way we played basketball for the greatest score.
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What? Here's what's that's what else? That's what we do.
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What else? That is greatest score.
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Who has the best score each game? Because we're taking that.
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We're taking that into account.
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You know what I mean is what I mean is that was a very yes or no easy question.
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I didn't need a two paragraph response.
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Water our stats, everything.
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Stats are not all that you just a player on them, okay, because Okay, Warren, you said yes.
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Okay, So, um, if that's the case, that's our everything, right? I just want to say you have not responded to none of you.
00:19:12
Well, if you actually I mean will finish the stop interrupting me.
00:19:15
You also didn't you also **** responses? We're talking about things I don't respond to.
00:19:19
You didn't respond to Janice's choke choke job in Game three of the Eastern Conference finals last year against the Raptors.
00:19:27
Game six against the Raptors last year.
00:19:29
And I'm gonna call him scared for not wanting to guard Jimmy Butler getting outplayed by Jimmy Butler and gave one of the Eastern Conference semi this year in Game three.
00:19:37
Not performing well as well.
00:19:39
But anyway, back to my what I was saying, If that's our everything, then James Harden has been the best player for the past three years because you know why? For foreign, actually, four straight years, his average 30 points a game each year and it's only gotten better.
00:19:55
30.
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4 36.
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1 30 something.
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Uh, finished right.
00:20:02
So that's where everything That's the case Now.
00:20:04
You wanna bring up advanced stats and advanced metrics or whatever.
00:20:07
So, Warner, what does the m mean in Most Valuable Player? What does that mean? I mean nothing.
00:20:14
I'm sorry to be What's the G stand for? Valuable.
00:20:18
Okay, Valuable.
00:20:20
Kiki said that one more time.
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Valuable.
00:20:23
Sean.
00:20:24
Sean, go on with that because I'm about to go.
00:20:28
So the bucks with John is onto the coupon on the floor.
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Or this in offensive rating.
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Yeah, honest. As a team.
00:20:38
Yeah, The bucks with the honest on the floor there are first defensively, you honest e the bucks.
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I'm sorry.
00:20:45
I keep saying on the bucks without Yonas on the floor or 21st in offensive rating.
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The bucks with the honest we're still number one in the in defensive rating.
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Now what you said is the Bucks went from 21st to fifth offensively and stayed at number one with or without you, Honest? Yes.
00:21:03
Now LeBron the Lakers along with weight.
00:21:07
What number one with what's the number one defense or offense? Offense.
00:21:11
Offense went from 21 without to five with defense.
00:21:15
Went from one without toe, one with I thought this was back and forth.
00:21:19
Debate.
00:21:20
I don't way got into the back and forth portion yet Warner still hasn't been able to ask questions, so you respond and then he'll ask questions, and then we'll go back and forth.
00:21:32
Now the Lakers with Act Morning, wanted to go with to start without, Let's start with with LeBron.
00:21:39
Go with Without without, and then go with without.
00:21:43
Okay, the Lakers without LeBron their 29th in offensive rating with LeBron there six in offense and defense of radio. I'm sorry.
00:21:53
The Lakers, with LeBron, their third and offensive reading, and with LeBron, they're second in defensive rating.
00:22:02
So my point is that if you are honest is the is the defensive player of the year and most people first off.
00:22:09
This is why I thought Brook Lopez and rightfully so was an all NBA defensive caliber player because the Bucks are still a really good defensive team, even if you take the defensive player of the year off of their team, right and the Bucks off while 21st isn't necessarily spectacular.
00:22:30
But you're saying, uh, the Bucks are plus 16.
00:22:36
There's 16 points better with Yonas offensively, and there's zero points better with you.
00:22:41
Honest offensively, What's LeBron again? The plus minus.
00:22:45
I smell something fishy here.
00:22:46
I feel like I rehe****d this, but go on.
00:22:48
What? Just just go ahead was on.
00:22:51
So what? What are the Lakers offense with and without LeBron without LeBron the 29th with LeBron's or third and then defensively, six without second with.
00:23:05
So plus for y'all definitely went over this.
00:23:07
Is it my turn yet? Wait one plus plus four defense and well, plus what? 26 offense? Yes.
00:23:16
Okay, so what are you making out of all this? My point is, how can you be the most valuable player or the best player? Right? And your team arguably stays the same or in some cases, defensively gets probably even better than the Lakers.
00:23:33
And if you take LeBron the Lakers, you take a unit off the Lakers.
00:23:36
I mean, the box. I'm sorry.
00:23:38
We see which team gets worse.
00:23:41
The team that gets worse is the Lakers.
00:23:43
I know you're gonna say, Well, a D M and guys have a D.
00:23:46
Stats don't lie.
00:23:47
According to Warren, 29th in offensive rain.
00:23:50
Most of the time is with a D on the floor, Constraint.
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Vulgar.
00:23:53
Does not like a smart coach, does not play a D and and LeBron off the floor at the same time.
00:23:59
One of them, at least on the floor all times.
00:24:01
Right? So that means with a D on the floor, right? The ball it the offense is stagnant and most cases right.
00:24:07
This is regular season.
00:24:09
The offense is stagnant in most cases, Right? Um it evolves not moving.
00:24:14
And essentially, they could just trap e to a certain degree and get the ball out of his hands.
00:24:21
Okay, So what I'm saying is, Warner, is that the bucks get sorry about your e.
00:24:31
No, I'm using that to back my argument because you rob like advanced stats and, like, offensive raining for each player and stuff like that.
00:24:39
And I'm also saying that the Lakers get I mean, how is the honest, the best player and more most valuable, where the bucks are, Especially defensively.
00:24:49
The Bucks are better if not the same without him.
00:24:53
You answered your own question.
00:24:55
They have a worst defensive team, you know.
00:24:58
They don't their first without them there.
00:25:03
What? The Bucks are first in defensive rating.
00:25:07
Okay, you just answered your own question.
00:25:10
Oh, you said How? How? How's How's LeBron off? I said, How how can you? Honestly, the most valuable player or the defensive player of the year? Where? Where, When? I can answer that? Yes, e Because he has a better defensive team.
00:25:27
It's simple.
00:25:28
You just answered your own question helping me because you know I'm not because LeBron has the worst team.
00:25:34
Explain how he's helping you, Sean.
00:25:36
Because listen, he just said that because he just said that because he has a better Hey, has a uh Yeah, he said that Yonas has a better defensive team.
00:25:50
Right? So that means that Yanez is it.
00:25:54
Morning, you get I'm trying to say right, basically, how can when Johannes is off the floor? Be honest, is such this great defender, right? And players number two players from all set it.
00:26:05
You honestly such this great defender.
00:26:07
Shouldn't the bucks get worse defensively? Uh, no, they shouldn't e He's been going on forever.
00:26:18
E Alright.
00:26:21
No, no, they shouldn't get worse because you're taking you're taking But you're basically doing your take in both players out and just using their teams as an example.
00:26:30
That's what you're doing.
00:26:31
If you take, you take if you take If you take LeBron out of his I like you just said you take LeBron out the team and you just have the team defend their team is worth defending and the other team without Yannas, you answered your own question.
00:26:46
So, Warren, I think his point That's the logic you're giving.
00:26:49
I think his point is LeBron has a bigger effect on his team in a positive way than Yanis does.
00:26:56
Is that you know, he doesn't because, uh, no, he does, because BPM says otherwise.
00:27:02
Bpm is the when he's on the floor, efficiency on the floor, you know, this is 11.5.
00:27:09
LeBron is 8.
00:27:10
4. That's not true.
00:27:12
Sean is going off on logic and stats says otherwise.
00:27:16
So on that I do want to say Sean did put out teams that their defensive efficiency that is a stat that is a verified step from MBA dot com actually set Warriner the link.
00:27:30
So how is honest BPM Better than a An offensive rating are completely different.
00:27:38
I would assume you know that what? I can't hear you e m and offensive rating are in.
00:27:48
Defensive rating are completely different.
00:27:52
I know, and you honest leads in both, honestly, role.
00:27:56
But I'm turned down your whole debate.
00:27:59
Your whole debate is take both players out.
00:28:01
Who's the better defensive team that might hold a team? Okay, so let me, let me let me dumb it down, Okay, let me let me bring it down for what I'm saying.
00:28:12
You're saying that without Yang is on the bucks, there's still a better team than the Lakers.
00:28:20
When LeBron's on the floor, you're mistaking that That's the That's the base of my argument. But continue.
00:28:27
I'll let you that That's what you debate about the whole.
00:28:29
However.
00:28:30
No, that was That was my last Are my most recent argument because you said something, right? Zio do***ent.
00:28:38
Okay, go ahead.
00:28:39
The James Harden debate is you've been going on for? I didn't interrupt you once and you're interrupting me.
00:28:45
I don't because you're mistaking what the base of my argument is.
00:28:50
All right, here s so I'm not I'm not done.
00:28:53
Also, one second one debate is just is garbage.
00:28:56
You're just throwing it out there.
00:28:57
Thio.
00:28:58
Try to disprove.
00:28:59
Disprove my stats that comparing James Harden the honest is like comparing James Harden to Kevin Durant.
00:29:06
What? Did you talk? So are you saying you honest? Is Kevin O sorry selling? All right, I'm back.
00:29:17
Are you saying you honest? Is Kevin Durant then not saying that at all? John, No! Stone out.
00:29:22
James Harden.
00:29:23
Try to disprove my stats.
00:29:24
James Harden is and all time off in the player.
00:29:28
Of course, she's gonna have great stats.
00:29:31
But comparing James Harden two Yanez is like comparing James Harden to Kevin Durant s player.
00:29:36
Not saying Johannes, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not comparing honest and Kevin Durant.
00:29:41
All I'm saying is John Chan's debate of that however the bucks still good without Yanis, they had the better defensive team.
00:29:52
Okay, so here's what That's what I'm gonna do.
00:29:55
Um, I'm gonna let you both very quickly summarize your arguments thus far.
00:30:01
Then we're gonna have to hop on to the other zoom call because this one is gonna kick us out.
00:30:06
So we're gonna go first.
00:30:08
Um, what's the summary of your and your already and you and you're already know you're gonna bring up 80? The last time to first team All Stars on were on the team was in 2006.
00:30:18
I'm already starting wiring Steve Nash.
00:30:20
That's the last time ever.
00:30:23
So your debate, your debate of that indeed is not son without a D LeBron would still be a some 500 team.
00:30:36
Um, can I remind you all? By the way, that little Lakers last year before LeBron got injured first off last year was such a down year for the Lakers of LeBron had 28 8 and eight in the world was falling off.
00:30:50
People seem to forget.
00:30:51
Before LeBron got hurt, they beat the brakes off Golden State.
00:30:55
It was a number four seed in the Western Conference without Anthony Davis.
00:30:58
It without a second all star on that team.
00:31:00
Now that the baby.
00:31:02
But without when? When the bronze medal playoff mode tell me the record and then I'm done.
00:31:08
That was towards the end of the season after he got hurt and the season was already really lost at that point.
00:31:13
Sean, We all know that LeBron wasn't really hurt.
00:31:15
He was resting up, taking lower management.
00:31:17
He could have played no, no, he could have played.
00:31:20
What did he know? Just like just like your honest could've guard Jimmy Butler.
00:31:27
But he did it just like he could have played really, really well in a big time.
00:31:33
Game six closed out game.
00:31:35
You lose, you go playing Game six.
00:31:37
He rewrote his ankle last year.
00:31:40
Last.
00:31:41
Oh yeah, he didn't get to get the **** didn't get my Game six because Jimmy Butler breaking Jimmy Butler outplayed Yannis and the playoffs.
00:31:52
Okay, And listen it really quickly if we don't judge players on the playoffs.
00:31:57
Charles Barkley needs to be a top 10 player of all time because what he's done, what he did throughout his career.
00:32:02
But why is he not in the conversation for even close? Because he does have a ****.
00:32:07
He didn't play particularly one playoff, right? That's why Steph Curry, right? What's the biggest criticism of step.
00:32:15
Okay. Okay, Shawn.
00:32:16
Okay.
00:32:17
Your debate on Steph, Korean and Barkley is what you're not.
00:32:20
You keep interjecting me.
00:32:22
And my point, I'm responding to your original argument, which was we don't completely judge players off the postseason.
00:32:28
Oh, no, no, you said that we don't at all.
00:32:30
And I'm saying that Z So Jordan, in 1987 1988 was the best player.
00:32:36
Wasn't the best player in the NBA.
00:32:38
Woman gives us.
00:32:39
That's on Jordan in 1987 1988.
00:32:45
Yes or no answer Yes or no question.
00:32:46
Look, then go ahead.
00:32:49
Okay.
00:32:50
Okay.
00:32:51
Okay.
00:32:52
Jordan got the highest wins here.
00:32:53
Total in modern basketball history with the 21.
00:32:56
2 single handedly responsible for 42% of the Bulls wins.
00:33:02
He won MVPs season.
00:33:03
Like which he should have.
00:33:04
What happened? He got a gentleman tweed because the pitches was Isaiah Thomas.
00:33:08
Better than that season.
00:33:09
No, was So So you're comparing the honest Michael Jordan ever said that? Never said that.
00:33:17
Never said that.
00:33:18
On is what was in that situation.
00:33:21
Yes, I'm comparing notes in that situation.
00:33:26
I'm very nice situation.
00:33:28
So it was, uh, Magic Johnson went on to win the finals that year.
00:33:32
Was he better than Jordan? You know, have less than a minute.
00:33:35
So when we go to the next dream, Water is gonna ask questions that we could pass the back.
00:33:40
So here's what.
00:33:41
Here's what we're gonna do.
00:33:42
I'm gonna end this one.
00:33:43
Hop on to the other one, and I will.
00:33:46
I will start asking questions.
00:33:47
We'll finish up.
00:33:48
I'm gonna send a link, are gonna send a link.
00:33:50
Did it already is already there.
00:33:52
So we're leaving.
00:33:54
All right, all right.
00:34:08
Thank you all for sticking with us.
00:34:15
Well, we wait for Warren and Sean, too.
00:34:18
Uh, come in.
00:34:19
I just want to say I wanna summarize their arguments.
00:34:22
So far, so Shawn's argument is Yannis has underperformed in the playoffs.
00:34:28
And also three bucks are actually a better all around team.
00:34:34
Then the Lakers are when both stars were not on the floor.
00:34:37
That's LeBron and honest.
00:34:38
Therefore, LeBron is the the more valuable, um, player.
00:34:44
And Warren's argument is Yannis had a historically great statistical regular season, and LeBron takes load.
00:34:55
I guess takes load management and has another all MBA player, um, talent on his team and Anthony Davis.
00:35:04
Therefore, Yannis is the better player.
00:35:11
All right, Welcome.
00:35:12
Sean and Warren.
00:35:17
Um, on reporting, the less is already on. SportsCastr.
00:35:22
It's recording.
00:35:24
Um, so yes.
00:35:26
Um, So I am going to now ask you all questions.
00:35:32
Um, I'm gonna start with Warren on this one since Shawn has been going Ah, lot, Warren.
00:35:38
Um, when? When? Yanis eventually, um, matures right? And and and get more experience and more experienced years and years under his belt, by the time you wanna say, enters his age 28.
00:35:54
29 season in his prime.
00:35:57
What? How many? How maney.
00:36:01
Um, how many rings do you project? He will have by that time? You really can't do that.
00:36:08
Kind of voting in your first ring until 28.
00:36:09
Not you, Not you.
00:36:13
Just give you the all time, all time.
00:36:15
Great.
00:36:16
Six rings.
00:36:17
He got his first win in 28 so you can't really compare that.
00:36:18
But I would expect him to get a ring soon.
00:36:21
I would I would expect to get a range soon.
00:36:22
If he stays in these.
00:36:24
What if he goes to the West? I feel it's gonna be a more harsh situation cause of West. It's okay.
00:36:30
All right.
00:36:31
Um, And Sean, what is the reason why Yanis would not have a ring by the time he enters say, his age? 30 season? So from his rookie year, all the way through his age, 29 season? I believe so, yes.
00:36:51
He's like, 25 minutes.
00:36:52
Okay, So the reason why Yanez wouldn't when with an MBA championship, Um, in the next, I don't know what, four or five years or whatever is due to the fact that one recipe stays in East One.
00:37:16
Boston is only gonna get better with teamed with Jason Tatum.
00:37:19
Who are you being like an outside looking in top 10 Oliver player? Right now, Jalen Brown is only gonna get better as he has been and the crew around them.
00:37:30
And another reason.
00:37:31
Right, Um, unless Yanis gets him, like, for example, Johnson's step, they complement each other.
00:37:43
So well, I'm not saying I'm just gonna say I'm saying that, but like dirty, their flaws complement each other so well. Yeah, step.
00:37:54
Not so grand defense.
00:37:55
Yon is supposed to be one of the best attributes.
00:37:58
Yuan is not a great shooter.
00:38:00
Or are you saying you know this is not a good defender.
00:38:04
No, I'm just I'm just like, referring to like, the past up.
00:38:08
I said Okay, okay with it.
00:38:10
Like the defense.
00:38:11
What are you talking about? The defensive efficiency for the treatment.
00:38:14
So Okay, Yeah.
00:38:15
Um, yeah.
00:38:18
The greatest of all time yuan is not the best score or shooter outside of 10 ft.
00:38:24
Right? So here's the Here's Here's the question.
00:38:28
No, nothing, he won't.
00:38:29
And the reason being is because you need a guy.
00:38:32
Christmas says That guy you need a guy on Christmas is not that guy. He put him in.
00:38:36
The West is over.
00:38:37
He's not making offer, but you're honest.
00:38:39
Isn't that guy either.
00:38:40
You need a guy to be able to create his own shot jump shot for verbally, especially in a much more because very rarely do you get those.
00:38:49
Look at Miami looked in mind series.
00:38:50
There's a couple of really, really closely a couple of really, really close games in that Siri's that Milwaukee had the opportunity to win the game.
00:38:59
And who do they go to go to Chris Middleton down the stretch to win the game? And why is because you need to be able to hit a jump shot in the playoffs.
00:39:08
So when your team a game, look at a D C jump shot, Chris Middleton hit a couple of big ones.
00:39:13
If you ****, it's a couple of times Jamal Murray Donovan mentioned Nicola yoking and so on.
00:39:19
Yanis inability toe consistently Even a 15 ft jump shot was like a mid range around the free throw line area.
00:39:27
Jump shot is going to prohibit this team and himself.
00:39:30
So that's the reason, All right.
00:39:33
Um, Sean, follow the question on that.
00:39:35
Can I? Can I go back? And I love that really quick.
00:39:38
Yeah, all right.
00:39:39
His jump shot has only gotten better year after year, so I would expect to jumps out to get better later on in his career.
00:39:47
So where, when, like next year? Next year? He shot about what, 31 32% from three.
00:39:54
I believe this year.
00:39:56
What do you project his next year? Three point percentage thio to be you Actually, both of you, You First, though, I feel like it wasn't a shot like a 28 last year.
00:40:09
28 29.
00:40:10
So it went up a couple of points just to get your perspective.
00:40:13
LeBron. One shot was like a 35 37.
00:40:15
He's not far away from head injuries. Consistently.
00:40:19
He shot five threes a game in the regular season, and he hit consistently from Dean.
00:40:23
Are you talking about you, honest? Yeah, Not just not consistently to where he could shut like the LeBron X type of me, but this is E 30.
00:40:35
4% to 32.
00:40:37
5% e quick.
00:40:40
Go ahead Really quickly.
00:40:42
Like like don't sleep because it's 5%.
00:40:45
There is a big gap between 32% and 37%.
00:40:49
That's the difference between, like JJ Red**** and Yannis.
00:40:53
I know, but my my example was like Warner said, do you think his 3% will get better? Uh, if we're going off his development over the past couple years? Yes, it s Are you going to say Are you saying he's gonna be about a 32 to 33% 3 point shooter next year? Uh, e don't know it.
00:41:13
It really depends.
00:41:15
E s o.
00:41:16
Do you think that I would expect so? Since his his shots only has only been on the rise.
00:41:21
But I would have Do you think that that increase in shooting, especially three point shooting, is going to lead to the bucks making Yanis making his first Eastern Conference finals next year? Inference Numbers finals.
00:41:41
They made the Eastern Conference finals, but but But Milwaukee Blue in 20 lead And Yang has played poorly in Game three.
00:41:50
Found out.
00:41:51
And then Game six and it closed out.
00:41:52
Game winner.
00:41:54
Go home.
00:41:56
Yeah, I'll played but back Thio What was going to say? Go ahead, John Shango.
00:42:10
Okay, so I brought up.
00:42:12
I brought up that multiple times and Warren continues, You brought up three point shooting? No, the when it matters most in the playoffs.
00:42:23
Playoffs, successes.
00:42:24
LeBron, I'm sorry on MBA Finals nine e successes, LeBron, let me Let me ask you this question.
00:42:35
Did you just say e LeBron has e? Lebron has the most success I'm talking about recently to I'm just saying you're glossing over that they honest didn't play well in the playoffs multiple times.
00:42:49
And whenever LeBron has, like a 19 point, you're like, this is your king. Oh, nice.
00:42:54
Okay, okay.
00:42:55
Okay. Tell me the last time you had a sidekick.
00:42:57
That was first team all MBA.
00:42:59
You, honest, is the okay question.
00:43:01
What did LeBron Dio Okay, Well, what was your question again? Name the last time you had a first team all NBA team mate, Ron doesn't me the first all of Yes, he does.
00:43:16
Answering his question Warner son.
00:43:19
Yes, he does.
00:43:20
You let me answer your question.
00:43:22
How you gonna ask me a question? But now let me answer it.
00:43:26
You you're saying yes, he does. I'm sorry.
00:43:29
Has let me just put one of this. Refresh you guys.
00:43:33
Well, has y'all ever, ever, ever, ever had even close to the caliber team? The LeBron had one.
00:43:43
You accepted it with space.
00:43:44
And so is that 2000 and seven, right? Who's the best player on that team outside? LeBron was freaking.
00:43:51
I mean, let's look at this roster.
00:43:54
It was like Mo Williams and they took sand and they went to the LeBron.
00:43:59
Will that team to the MBA bonds around the same stage of his career that you, honest is currently in, right, um, and one second warrant and LeBron will them to when it matters most.
00:44:14
We have not seen that similar time period as well.
00:44:17
Yeah, honest has that will, when it matters most is not, well his team to a victory over a team that matters in a big time moment. LeBron James.
00:44:26
He goes 27 straight points of the game five against the Pistons team that Trans develops.
00:44:31
And the crew, the team that just won the NBA Finals a couple years prior, beating Shaq and Kobe.
00:44:36
So, you know, they were legit, right? So to answer your question, no, Yanis has it, but But LeBron has proven that he doesn't necessarily need one.
00:44:48
And what was the last time LeBron before? This year has had a first team all NBA player on his team? That year, you said yourself that the last time this has ever happened with 2000 and six.
00:44:59
So that shows you never Warner, go ahead.
00:45:02
Whatever you want to say. Okay.
00:45:04
Okay, Now I gotta go off that you're going in the past again.
00:45:10
Yannis was nowhere near as good as LeBron when LeBron was 23 24 25 26.
00:45:15
But that's the same time, period.
00:45:18
Like LeBron 24 20.
00:45:20
Okay, At the same time period, LeBron was better.
00:45:23
Okay, with a better player.
00:45:24
I have a question.
00:45:25
I have a question for both of you right now.
00:45:28
Also to that first team all team debate.
00:45:30
He had plenty, wasn't the way. First team.
00:45:33
Okay.
00:45:35
And if the way was first team that you just negate that stat used earlier saying No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:45:41
I'm not gonna get it next that he was first team.
00:45:42
He was first before LeBron got there.
00:45:44
That's what I'm saying. Okay.
00:45:46
No, that year.
00:45:47
See? Get a consistent.
00:45:49
Also. Also, it does.
00:45:51
There's also it does prove LeBron doesn't get teammate.
00:45:53
Because last year he did Jack Garbage.
00:45:56
When? When? Here.
00:45:58
Hold on.
00:45:59
With the young latest? Yeah, they were the fourth guy he could have played but that.
00:46:08
All right, so let me, let me give you all.
00:46:10
Both both the scoop growing injuries are serious right now.
00:46:14
The Green Bay Packers, my team.
00:46:17
Kenny Clarke out with a groin injury.
00:46:18
He's missed 2.
00:46:19
5 weeks. Okay.
00:46:21
Sean.
00:46:22
Sean.
00:46:23
Yes, Jamal Adams also has a growing an injury, so those are not light injuries is not like you just hurt your nuts for a little bit.
00:46:30
And you just gotta take a breather and and, like, squat for for a few minutes.
00:46:34
Hold on one.
00:46:36
Now, my question to both of you is, if you were an MBA general manager and you had the first pick in in the entire n BA fantasy draft this season, you are trying to win a championship.
00:46:52
Who are you taking first overall, LeBron or you? Honest And why? And let let the let one person go before the other person takes.
00:47:01
I go. I want in life studio.
00:47:03
All right, John Doe.
00:47:06
The answer is LeBron obviously like this.
00:47:09
A trick question.
00:47:10
Am I supposed you honest? Because, Well, let me clarify one thing.
00:47:13
It's just for this season.
00:47:14
It's not for building for the future.
00:47:16
They are their ages that they are now and still says that they are now, right? So I'm defending LeBron and you want to take you on its like this.
00:47:23
The questions like why? Okay, So, first off, what we've seen with LeBron's get you motivated.
00:47:31
Okay? He's played his best defense since Miami.
00:47:34
That's number one number E.
00:47:40
I'm not debating that. Don't meet me. I'm not debating that.
00:47:42
The question is, um, are we allowed to draft another teammate or adjust them to buy herself leading the team? Okay, so you have you and Shawn have the identical rosters.
00:47:54
Say you.
00:47:56
You each have an All Star.
00:47:58
You each have one All star three bona fide starters in 1/6 man of the year.
00:48:03
Okay, then your benches fill that with competent bench players.
00:48:06
What player are you taking and what role will they play? And why for this one theoretical season that's happening, LeBron okay again play the best defense this year of his career since he was in Miami the early days, the year he was supposed to get defensive player of the Year and was robbed the defensive player of the year by a guy that was on all team second defense.
00:48:30
Which how does that even make sense of like winning NFL M V p.
00:48:35
But being all pro seconds him? But doesn't that make sense? Okay, I agree.
00:48:40
Start regarding Tanja there, but still, um, and then, like when it matters most in the playoffs, you want a guy that can win you a game on big time game for Leeds because the ultimate goal and all of this is winning an NBA championship, right? LeBron, when it's winning time.
00:48:59
And he would call, he's not afraid of the challenge.
00:49:01
I'm sorry.
00:49:02
What do you do in Game five? Oh, my God.
00:49:04
Gave because it's like, uh, easy.
00:49:06
38 16 and 10.
00:49:07
, what all Game four.
00:49:09
You need me locked down.
00:49:10
Jerome. Marie, I got you. I got you.
00:49:12
Let me get him.
00:49:13
Okay.
00:49:14
And then during the regular season, you're gonna see LeBron get other guys in rhythm.
00:49:18
That's why he's gonna often lead his team and in some cases, the league and assist.
00:49:23
But when you need him to get a big time bucket, he's available.
00:49:27
He's going to answer the call, LeBron for the future.
00:49:30
You gotta be honest. He's 25.
00:49:32
LeBron's 35 36.
00:49:34
He's towards is crazy for him.
00:49:36
Like a 10 year prime.
00:49:37
He's extent he's obliterated.
00:49:40
Look, the prime scale.
00:49:41
But for, like, the next five years, that has to be honest, because he's 10 years e.
00:49:46
I know, but I mean, yeah, it was like, five.
00:49:50
If it was like into the future, that's an unfair question.
00:49:53
But we're not talking about that we're talking about this year.
00:49:55
Warren, give me your take on that.
00:49:58
All right? Sean, earlier on earlier on, you said that you gave me honest compliment, the complimentary player.
00:50:04
He would be great, right? You said if you give Johnson Sean said that Yannis needed a, uh, ball handler that can create their own shot off the dribble.
00:50:16
Okay, if you give your honest that I'm taking honest, I'm gonna stay honest.
00:50:22
Why? Why would you hold on, John? Why would you take don't, John.
00:50:28
So I go, I'll give up from time to time.
00:50:31
Go ahead, John.
00:50:34
So wait in the middle of the date you just said, okay, if Yannis can't get a all star guest caliber player that can create his own shot off the dribble first.
00:50:50
I know, but you just also agree with that.
00:50:53
Correct? Yeah, because you said it first.
00:50:56
Yes.
00:50:57
So if we're going off your logic, your debate, your own self, but you just agree with my statement.
00:51:04
So what? A Yonas had a better teammates.
00:51:09
Teammates.
00:51:10
He would have a bail them out.
00:51:13
Like you always say, LeBron doesn't LeBron get built up by a in the playoffs has a LeBron had multiple horrible fourth quarters this playoffs.
00:51:20
Oh, my God.
00:51:21
You're bringing up the playoffs.
00:51:23
And you you're being a hypocrite.
00:51:25
You're bringing up bringing the playoffs.
00:51:26
I said, I give it to you more court, but e don't know.
00:51:31
You're trying to debate that Yanez needs a player to carry him.
00:51:34
Doesn't LeBron? Doesn't LeBron need players to carry into the playoffs or equal equal player? So 80 carry LeBron now and you just brought up literally 30 seconds ago.
00:51:44
Eso LeBron bad for quarters on that in the playoffs.
00:51:48
I'm sorry.
00:51:49
How are not for the majority of this debate this fitting out how it when it matters most in the playoffs, Yang is a no show.
00:51:57
And you want to bring the LeBron in the fourth quarter? Okay? Yes.
00:52:00
I'm gonna bring a LeBron in the fourth quarter because you need somebody to play.
00:52:03
Carry him.
00:52:04
John is have somebody to carry him.
00:52:05
Now that be a credible I'm going on you.
00:52:09
Yes, you are.
00:52:10
Hold on.
00:52:12
What would Sean? What sean said is that LeBron can feed Anthony Davis the ball to get him in rhythm and therefore rely on hit on Anthony Davis a little bit to score a majority of points because that z Yanis, that's I think that's kind of his point.
00:52:33
Yanis doesn't have anybody to rely on except for Chris Middleton, which his coaches Yanis Coaches rely on Chris Middleton more in the fourth quarter of a crunch time playoff game to send them to the Promised Land and send him home happy than they do.
00:52:47
You honest because Middleton has a better shot essentially on them, right? So my debated my debate is if I if Yannis has a better ball handler than other than Chris Middleton, hey was ****her in the playoffs.
00:52:59
So here's Here's Here's what I here's here's the team that I have assembled, both of you.
00:53:04
Okay, so not one second. One second.
00:53:07
So you're you have these five players and then Johannes or LeBron on DYA can basically choose your lineup.
00:53:15
So you've got and I will say, Yes, there are.
00:53:19
There's only two teams represented in this, but these were the first five that I thought about.
00:53:24
You have Jalen Brown, Chris Middleton, Brook Lopez, Gordon Hayward and Mark and Marcus Smart, um, to to use along with, um your your players.
00:53:37
So, Warren, what your what is your starting lineup and why? Warren? Oh, I was you.
00:53:52
I was unit. Uh, wait.
00:53:55
I'm sorry.
00:53:56
You can't read people This I'm sorry.
00:53:57
Jacob and Brown.
00:53:58
Marcus Smart, Chris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Gordon Hayward.
00:54:02
You can choose which one of those is your sixth man and which morning? What's going on? Okay.
00:54:08
And so what's your lineup? Smartnews Smart yellow brown.
00:54:13
Uh, Yanis.
00:54:17
Those are the two.
00:54:18
Chris Middleton and Brook Lopez.
00:54:22
Uh, switch switch small forward with Chris Milton.
00:54:25
John is a problem for it.
00:54:26
And Brook Lopez, a senator.
00:54:27
So you have Marcus Smart at the one Jalen Brown of the two.
00:54:30
Middleton has three honest at the four Lopez at the five.
00:54:34
Yeah, that's basically just Johnny on the Celtics, but okay.
00:54:38
And why Why do you have that? Um, where it is, e bay.
00:54:46
Same thing Gordon Hayward, when he was on the Jazz was amazing.
00:54:50
But since he broke his leg, e think he would be a better put off the bench.
00:54:53
Okay? And so why is that lineup going to get you honest and your team to the Promised land? And when When the NBA Finals.
00:55:02
I mean, you know, still doesn't have a prominent Baldwin, but that's basically just taking J basically trading Jayson Tatum for Yannas.
00:55:11
I would say that's basically putting honest on himself.
00:55:14
Thinks.
00:55:16
And the Celtics, Unless they have people Walker then out.
00:55:19
Okay, so, um, if you could you can trade any one of your players that are on this list.
00:55:27
I just want from Kemba Walker for okay for camera Walker.
00:55:31
So So you really want something that bugs Marcus Smart.
00:55:35
Kemba Walker.
00:55:37
Okay, So you have Kemba Walker, um, Jalen Brown, Chris Middleton, Yannis and Lopez.
00:55:45
Right? Correct. Yeah.
00:55:47
Okay.
00:55:48
And so why is that lineup going to get you to the finals? Okay, that line. I'm gonna give you £2.
00:55:54
The east is weak.
00:55:55
One.
00:55:56
You're in a neutral conference news conference. Okay.
00:56:01
Yanis Kemba Walker is argued not even arguing.
00:56:05
He is the best ball handler. Dad, Janex.
00:56:07
Whatever.
00:56:08
Have on his team One.
00:56:09
He has a great role player in Jalen Brown, too.
00:56:13
He has a great sixth man in Gordon Hayward when he can, When he wants to be, when he wants to be, when he's not hurt.
00:56:20
And, uh you have Brook Lopez, who can hit? You can hear from me when he needs to.
00:56:27
Okay, Alright.
00:56:30
And Sean, what is your lineup? And why is that lineup gonna work better than Warren? And do you? Can you Can you have the option to trade for Kemba Walker if you want to.
00:56:41
Alright.
00:56:42
I got Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown, Gordon Hayward, LeBron and Lopez.
00:56:46
That's my starting five.
00:56:48
Um, Middleton is coming off the bench. Yup.
00:56:52
Um, here's here's why this lineup is gonna work.
00:56:55
First off the illusion that LeBron needs somebody to help carry the load our carry, his team or whatever his false also wanna go.
00:57:04
More recently, the 75 18 4002 years ago, the second best player was Kevin Love.
00:57:10
And he's a no show in the playoffs, right? And LeBron with his team, they call him.
00:57:15
They call him LeBron toe for a reason, willing his team through the east and really to they had to winnable games against Golden State of J R J J R.
00:57:25
It up in Game one and in Game three, it was really, really close and then go to the state just went on one of those runs at the end.
00:57:32
It was like a three point game.
00:57:33
And Katie, you get a big time three.
00:57:35
Um But anyway, so that's that's just almost a swell being the notion that LeBron can't carry load.
00:57:41
Um, but anyway, Marcus Smart has really shown a lot in this in the Post. You don't know what happened.
00:57:47
You know? Whatever.
00:57:48
Um, sure, a lot in this postseason, he's going to play tough defense.
00:57:52
We already know that.
00:57:53
But offensively, he's companies coming to the God that can't handle the ball offensively.
00:57:58
When God, When Kemba was struggling and knocked down a perimeter shots big Jalen Brown has turned into a ball handler.
00:58:06
Ah, God, he won't create very many shots for others, right? But he knows how to create his shot.
00:58:11
He has a nice jumper.
00:58:12
Now he can get get to the basket with great efficiency as well.
00:58:18
Gordon Hayward is the unselfish.
00:58:20
I said equal dollar ask player for the Celtics.
00:58:25
Um, and give me that unselfish guy for us, LeBron obviously, in Brook Lopez offering that defense on one end, the full protecting the rim and also being alive, pick and pop partner for LeBron popping out, please.
00:58:41
Okay, so who is your primary belt ball handler on that team, LeBron.
00:58:45
And who's the leading store? LeBron And also I really quickly just really four ball forgot.
00:58:51
14 can really handle the ball.
00:58:54
All right, so so.
00:58:55
Fourth quarter.
00:58:56
Game five of playoff game non.
00:58:59
A non elimination Syriza's tied 22 Who are you giving the ball to in order out of those six players to win you the game in order? Ego LeBron, wait, creating your own shot? Or who do you want to lead the team? LeBron LeBron Jalen Brown born a remark.
00:59:23
It's Mark and then Brook Lopez.
00:59:25
Yeah, okay.
00:59:26
And then Warren, what about you? You said the lead in points per game or just the flash on.
00:59:31
So who's gonna be your leading score just throughout the regular season? In the playoffs? Points per game? Yanis.
00:59:37
Okay, who's gonna be your leading assists guy who spread the ball around, okay.
00:59:43
And then who in the fourth quarter of a non non elimination serious side to to Game 5/4 quarter, Who is Who is your guy that you're going to that that you have an inbound play set up for To score the ball on Get you the to the promised land.
01:00:01
Loki, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown.
01:00:03
Okay, so who's the Who's your second option? Yanis.
01:00:06
And then who's your third option? Campbell, Fourth Christine and broke.
01:00:12
And then Hayward's last.
01:00:14
Yeah.
01:00:15
Okay.
01:00:16
Um so why Why is your Why is the other person's lineup brown basically a better person? Prisoners, I would say.
01:00:26
Okay, Um So, Shawn, why is why is, um the way your lineup is set up, especially for the fourth quarter? Why is that better than warrant? Well, for starters, well, first off in a big time game, you want shooters on the floor and I'm comfortable with the other day with guys.
01:00:46
Did you say Hold on? Did you say down to No serious is tied.
01:00:51
22? Um, it's when I started.
01:00:54
Just give an example. Like last shot.
01:00:56
It's like clutch time.
01:00:58
So what? Number three.
01:01:00
Sure, down by three.
01:01:02
Tie game down by one down by two.
01:01:05
Or maybe you just want that guy to hit the dagger.
01:01:08
But right, so we have We have the shooting.
01:01:12
Obviously start to a market.
01:01:13
Gordon Lopez JB gotten better at it.
01:01:17
You have the defense.
01:01:18
This is actually a really good defensive lineup.
01:01:21
Is welcomed guard.
01:01:23
I'm comfortable, Gordon.
01:01:25
If I'm the weakest link, it's like, what? The way LeBron play defense issue from the weakest link.
01:01:29
But that's still like, Fine.
01:01:32
Um, can we can switch? They can go 15 for the most part.
01:01:37
Um, and it is not just one person.
01:01:42
Also, I think it's kind of funny.
01:01:44
One or the best place you can't trust your best.
01:01:48
Play the best player in the league to be your number one option. Okay.
01:01:52
Hey, didn't explain.
01:01:54
You didn't explain the first time.
01:01:55
If you're down by three, I'm taking Jalen Brown.
01:01:57
You said clutch time.
01:01:59
So big.
01:02:00
It depends on the score, though.
01:02:01
So are you gonna take you? Are you gonna take your wish? Your worst three point shooters over three point shooter and you're down by three times.
01:02:11
He was big, like, Hey, he was saying, Are you going to send you on to the deck here? Here's what clutch time is.
01:02:17
I believe it's the last five minutes of of of of a game in which the score is, uh is a five point differential so or less.
01:02:28
Yeah.
01:02:29
So which one of your players is going to lead your team in scoring? Who's gonna score the most points in the last five minutes of that game? Be honest.
01:02:37
Okay.
01:02:38
So what? And and and how is he? Honest? Like, why is he honest gonna do that? Because you get into that, he could get into the room.
01:02:47
So you're burning out by five.
01:02:48
We're now about 55 minutes left.
01:02:49
I'm taking honest to get to today.
01:02:52
All right, Go ahead, John.
01:02:55
So that's the case.
01:02:58
Game three.
01:02:59
Last year You're up to Oh, not tied 11 It's not you're not down to you're up to Oh, you win this game.
01:03:10
Trump's not coming back from 30 You win this game.
01:03:13
The series is over to game three.
01:03:16
It went to double overtime in the honest didn't deliver.
01:03:21
So what? What gives you confidence, Warren? That Yang is gonna deliver.
01:03:25
And if you say Wait, I'm done.
01:03:27
If you say that's just one example I've listed.
01:03:31
I've ran off multiple examples off that scenario throughout the past couple of postseasons.
01:03:36
Your response.
01:03:39
I'm pretty sure you saw what he did.
01:03:41
They run through our front.
01:03:42
So as soon as a soon as Yonas drives they have, they have They have two or three men on them already. E.
01:03:47
I'm pretty sure you can correct me on this.
01:03:49
I'm pretty sure none of the Bucks players headshots for him.
01:03:53
I'm not even talking about the Miami is very okay. Toronto.
01:03:57
Okay.
01:03:58
Toronto charged with the same thing.
01:04:00
I'm pretty sure to be honest that Johnny had no shooter.
01:04:04
Johannes had shooters, but then they hit stocks that game.
01:04:06
Question the corner does or does not LeBron get double teams? Almost every possession, but not as much.
01:04:13
Not as much as honest.
01:04:14
I don't want it to the paint going to the paint.
01:04:16
Not as much as Jonah's.
01:04:18
Okay, so So you're seriously and the teams are just that freaking We're talking dump stupid thio, Single toe man.
01:04:29
A man guard LeBron with a full full head of steam driving to the room.
01:04:34
So you're saying teams are that stupid to do that on? Didn't didn't last night.
01:04:39
The Lakers not last night, but the other day, and then you got didn't let this call to the front office and say, Yeah, I did that too.
01:04:46
And did you not see LeBron get smacked on the head multiple times He was driving to the rim.
01:04:52
Oh, wait.
01:04:53
You don't watch the games when we have nine minutes left.
01:04:55
Is he honest? More language.
01:04:56
Langi to get more foul balls.
01:04:59
What? What? Okay, Zoe.
01:05:05
Weight Really quickly.
01:05:06
Who gets more free throws the game.
01:05:08
LeBron Arianna Yanis.
01:05:11
So not that down e nine minutes left.
01:05:18
Warren, finish up your point.
01:05:19
Then we've done that's like comparing you versus me.
01:05:23
Going to the pain to get away up Who's gonna get more found calls.
01:05:28
I'm bigger.
01:05:30
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get touched. More in the paint.
01:05:32
It's simple logic.
01:05:33
Okay, so closing remarks.
01:05:36
Let's see, Let's start with Warren because Sean started with his opening Warren, Um, how why did you win this debate? What's your what's your base of evidence? What's the base of your argument? I want? What do you mean? So I'm assuming you think you won the debate.
01:05:53
Correct. E.
01:05:54
I want to make my fault, okay? And so why? Why is that? I have many points.
01:05:58
I have many points.
01:05:59
I feel like I've shut down Shawn's points.
01:06:01
Um, Sean didn't talk about much other than greatness and great LeBron.
01:06:06
Great, great, great, great and more great.
01:06:09
That's all I've heard.
01:06:11
I'm gave Sean stats.
01:06:13
Listen, I'm let him talk.
01:06:15
I gave Sean more stats.
01:06:16
I gave Sean as soon as I said Yonas had the greatest regular season ever.
01:06:21
Shawn threw a fit for a second I gave him, says Sean hasn't said nothing about that.
01:06:26
So I never said nothing about that.
01:06:29
And yeah, okay, Um, so specifically, what was your What was the argument that really nailed the nail? The lid on the coffin, which put him away, may bring it up.
01:06:39
Yanis is greatest season ever.
01:06:41
So his regular season stats and how LeBron's weren't close to that.
01:06:45
Yeah, it's nowhere near close.
01:06:46
It's not even It's not even debatable of how Yanis leads LeBron in every major stat and advance that Not even close.
01:06:54
Um uh, same thing.
01:06:57
Closing remarks.
01:06:58
Why did you win this debate? And what was your major stat that put away warn.
01:07:04
Okay, so Well, here it is.
01:07:08
Okay, so here's the thing.
01:07:11
Well, morning taxi thing.
01:07:14
This is something I wanted to get off, but I had never got the chance to do that.
01:07:18
Also, I never had the chance in the game.
01:07:21
In the game when the Lakers played the Bucks in L. A.
01:07:24
Yannis was guarded by LeBron for a total of five minutes and 21 seconds.
01:07:29
Yana seven points on two for eight shooting, one for five from three.
01:07:33
He drew 2000, and when you got has got LeBron, by the way, was only for half time.
01:07:38
Two minutes and 30 seconds.
01:07:39
Yeah, LeBron scored eight points, the Lakers had 14 points and LeBron was three per five from the field now anyway, one point more in three minutes less and the Lakers scored better and LeBron scored more efficiently as well.
01:07:56
Now, also, I didn't interrupt.
01:07:58
So here's what won me in the debate.
01:08:01
Well, want me debate? Is it Also? Warren wants to talk about me ignoring the the honest regular season because the regular season significantly is less important than the playoffs.
01:08:12
So that's why it is practically ignored it because if that's the case, Stephan Curry, you wanna talk about great seasons of all time? Stephan Curry, 2016 was one of the greatest regular season.
01:08:22
Okay, can I think this is my closing remarks.
01:08:28
And also, unlike the bucks, that Golden State team went 73.
01:08:32
And now, And also you wanna talk about things that I ignored? Well, I consistently Warner, please, please tell me about tell the line the statement.
01:08:42
I consistently brought up Yanis in the playoffs, which is significantly more important than the regular season, right? Yeah.
01:08:53
Oh, okay.
01:08:55
I need the next question here.
01:08:56
I e o.
01:09:00
Alright, duty.
01:09:03
Go ahead, John.
01:09:05
From which again, which is significantly more important.
01:09:08
And I consistently brought up the postseason, and Warren consistently, for the most part, ignored it.
01:09:14
Now and again.
01:09:16
I brought up how the Lakers LeBron more valuable to his team, then you Honestly, that is not true.
01:09:25
Already do stand that you and offensive rating and defensive rating are vastly different.
01:09:31
And also mawr like, can I suppose? Well, let him finish.
01:09:38
Let him finish.
01:09:40
Sean, Just just go through and tell me why.
01:09:43
Offensive and defensive rating also can less be finagled with them.
01:09:49
Whatever the heck you said, it's not like that bpm for a second.
01:09:52
Think that bpm or whatever, Um and also warn, That's individual.
01:09:58
I'm talking about the Lakers as a team.
01:10:00
Their team offensive radio on defense rating When you take them off are on and off.
01:10:05
And I also brought up.
01:10:07
I compared and want Warner.
01:10:09
Warren brought up how LeBron needs to be carried or whatever by A D, and I just went back.
01:10:15
And also Game 52 nights ago.
01:10:17
LeBron show he doesn't need Thio.
01:10:19
I brought up two years ago when LeBron with a less team that Cavs team is way worse.
01:10:25
Then this youth boxing.
01:10:26
LeBron ran through the Eastern Conference that you have the honest and then and then you know, the worst team.
01:10:31
In 2007 LeBron went to the finals with the Cavs team with Mo Williams with the second best player.
01:10:38
I don't want a debate because Warren's base of his articles just stats and stats on everything and points are everything for three.
01:10:44
Game is can be very enabled with because, um, they're not everything.
01:10:49
Don't tell the whole story.
01:10:50
And that's the case again.
01:10:52
James Harden is the greatest player of all time.
01:10:55
All right, thank you all for watching this episode of Sports head.
01:10:58
I don't know.
01:11:00
Go ahead.
01:11:02
All right.
01:11:03
The heart and debate again.
01:11:04
That's not even you can't bring it up.
01:11:06
That's like comparing, uh, this s player to this as player can't do that whatsoever.
01:11:11
Also, your LeBron debate that LeBron doesn't eat one.
01:11:14
Why didn't LeBron do that last year? LeBron could have played.
01:11:17
And, you know, if you haven't said nothing, that Warner guy didn't need to say anything because Warner brought up how boring injuries are legit injuries.
01:11:25
And I'm like, Oh, my God, let me just how is the prospects $1 million on his body a year, right? That's what he said.
01:11:33
Just e, you're telling me that since he spends a lot of money, that means that his body can never get injured ever? I've never said that.
01:11:42
E never said that.
01:11:45
What I'm saying, what I'm saying is hot, but I still have a groin injury after a year later, why would you bring up the money then? He doesn't have a groin.
01:11:53
How does he still have a groin injury? Just a couple weeks ago that LeBron was out for a groin injury? No, he has not missed a game in the bubble and listed him because it's still obviously sore.
01:12:05
Okay, Shawn.
01:12:06
Why one of the money? Because if you spend more money on your body, aren't you? Aren't you supposed to be less less or not likely to get hurt? So that doesn't mean that he can never get hurt ever in his life.
01:12:18
Never a alluding also shot.
01:12:24
You know, here's what I'm gonna say.
01:12:28
It's easier for a 37 year old to get injured than it is for a 25 year old to get injured.
01:12:32
No matter how much money you spend on your body.
01:12:36
Um, this is going okay.
01:12:37
Also, also, he's bringing up the playoff debate and the record season debate.
01:12:43
We both we both ignored both.
01:12:47
But if you're taking the best player, if you're taking the best player, you're taking a hold on.
01:12:52
Hold on.
01:12:53
If you're taking the best player into account, what did you want to take all game into one.
01:12:58
So what you're saying is, basically, we should get all the film together.
01:13:05
All the stats together for postseason, saying that Sean is taking a small portion of a playoff.
01:13:12
Don't matter e that do matter.
01:13:16
But if you're a from a game season honest when it matters, has failed in the playoffs failed f A i l e d.
01:13:26
I think John had a top tier player.
01:13:29
A tear player has performed better than you had last year.
01:13:36
LeBron didn't have a top tier player last year and he didn't do nothing.
01:13:40
He was Hey, could have played 2018 and 2018.
01:13:46
LeBron had Kevin freaking love and he was driving 51 at 40 a week.
01:13:52
Alright, listen, wait.
01:13:54
Seven.
01:13:55
They're goddesses in the weekend.
01:13:57
He wants to get you want to get seven in the Pacers? You said that this is the no.
01:14:01
What we've got to do is we have less than a minute on this room. Call Sean.
01:14:05
John.
01:14:06
This wasn't as good as LeBron in 2018.
01:14:08
Listen, LeBron was supposed to win MVP that year, alright? We're gonna have to end this episode here.
01:14:17
Make sure you go vote on the Twitter poll, uh, to see who won this argument.
01:14:21
There will also be a link to this stream.
01:14:23
We never got that back and forth.
01:14:24
Either way, you have been going back and forth all the way.
01:14:29
We've been going back and forth.
01:14:30
We keep on getting muted like so that Warner can energy.
01:14:35
So, um, thank you all for watching.
01:14:38
This episode is always was powered by crossover media across over 3. 65.
01:14:45
And the meeting has ended.
01:14:47
So, um, thank you all.
01:14:50
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