we welcome you back once again to the one giant podcast where, as always, I am Adam arm wrecked.
And over there is I don't know, a depressed, dejected Ah, Leslie deleted.
Deflated Andi Mack.
Oh, it's you look like a look like a potato chip that didn't quite rise in the oven.
I feel the same way.
Um, the good news is, Adam, after the one o'clock games, there was plenty of good football toe watch between the Seattle Seahawks and then the Green Bay Packers.
Because, man, oh, man, was the one o'clock slate rough for giant fans.
Okay, listen, as we know, it doesn't really should have toe reiterate this point to the fan base.
We are talking about a pretty brutal loss here for the New York football Giants.
36 to 9 for the 40 Niners.
A dominant performance.
You could put it that way.
I don't know what's just your initial reaction to the game in general.
It it get it doesn't get away that early.
It's 16 6 at half time, feels like a deeper hole.
We also get the ball to start the second half.
There's a bit more confidence there, but I know is we work through this, we're gonna touch on both sides of the ball.
I'll let you lead into it.
And then I know it's offense, I think, is where we wanna always begin.
Most of these conversations, it feels like, especially through the first three weeks this season.
Yeah, we went live at halftime and we ask the same questions.
You ask the question off, you know? Hey, we're down.
10 points were getting the ball at halftime like, What are we looking to see? And, you know, we talked about it and we said, It's gonna be tough because I don't really see what we change up.
What's What's the game plan adjustments that Joe Judge is gonna make? How are we gonna play this differently to get back in this game and sustain some long drives and put some points on the board? And that was very true because we didn't really do anything different in the second half than we did in the first half.
And, man oh, man, the offense did not look good at him.
It was, you know, listen, we know that they were bringing in Devante Freeman.
We actually saw a bit of Goldman early.
We didn't see any, uh, Dion Lewis for for the big stretch to start this game.
So, you know, it seems like a leased from a coaching standpoint.
They looked at and said, We're going to try to go with what we know.
We'll get some chunk yards up the gut when we need them.
That wasn't terribly effective to get this one off the ground.
And then when you think about obviously some of the mistakes that came here, you just start toe.
You start to wonder what was the game plan and maybe, how far off do you get from that? Because we always talk about we mentioned last time.
10 to 15 scripted plays.
That's how you start on offense.
And when you see those going so relatively poorly, it it's hard to early in the game.
Think about how this team is going to get to the next place, right? How they're going to get the first touchdown.
And then how are you gonna get back involved in a game even when you're only down 10.
You know you talk about game plan the Giants rushing attack 10 outside of Daniel Jones.
10 rushes, 17 yards and you know, we could say, Well, that's, you know, the lack of having say Kwan Barkley.
But you look at Game one against the Pittsburgh Steelers, where he was getting, you know Cycle was getting hit in the backfield negative yards consistently.
I think he had seven or eight rushing yards total in that game.
It was brutal, you know? You look Daniel Jones.
17 for 3200 and 79 yards.
One interception, one fumble, no touchdowns.
The offense had nothing working.
They couldn't do anything on the ground.
They couldn't do anything in the air.
And the best that of all is Daniel Jones did not take a snap in the red zone yesterday.
Well, and on top of which to you talk about just 5.
6 yards per completion there, on on the offensive side of the ball, through the air, right, And that's just unacceptable.
You've got to be closer to probably 8 to 10 is where you wanna be living.
So you're already also behind the eight ball in that regard.
And as you say, one of the footnotes here is in that rushing attack, Daniel Jones led the Giants five for 49 yards, averaging almost 10 yards a carry, their with a long run of 23 at one point.
And I think the difficulty for me in these Games because when we saw that start toe happen, you and I kind of said right, like, let's just move more to that and we we mentioned it last episode Play action has worked wonderfully for Daniel Jones.
We saw a bit of it, but not a ton of it.
And then you think about boy, this guy does have some legs Now.
I'm not in the in the mode of Let's risk Daniel Jones here to injury by forcing him to run more than we wanted Thio.
But having design, I'm run plays.
Where do you get a tight it out in the flat? In case you dump it off as the linebackers come towards you or a little space, go ahead and take the four or five yards like the lack of it's a combination.
It's the lack of creativity and then sometimes it looks like early in the season here, Ah, lack of acknowledgment of maybe the little things that are going well for you.
Maybe you didn't anticipate it, but now it is working for you a little bit.
Why not try to pivot in that direction and see if you could get something else going? And that's a concern from the Broad and Jason Garrett as the offensive coordinator.
And this is how we want to try to establish ourselves on the offensive side of the ball.
Now the wrinkle here is you get the awful playoff on that Q B to tight end around the you know, coming around sweet play there.
Excuse me for Evan Ingram, where he does not secure that Daniel Jones takes full responsibility for That takes full responsibility for the interception that he threw, which was telegraphed, and he should.
But that fumble play is directly on Evan Ingram, and I don't want to derail this conversation, but that's exactly what we said his last week.
That's exactly heaven Ingram is.
He's such a wow look at that great job on third down, converting and moving the sticks.
Wow, look at you not securing the pitch and having a fumble that creates a turnover and leave some more points for the 40 Niners, and that now feels like a trend not just for him but but for this offense.
Well, and look at his statistics.
Three catches, 22 yards and a fumble.
And to me, Adam, he is such a dynamic playmaker.
And I know that people say that his past block, you know, his past protection is you know, his struggles are overblown.
He did not look great in pass protection yesterday.
And if he's on Lee gonna have three catches for 22 yards.
You almost wonder, like what? What's the point of having him out there? You're sacrificing some of the, you know, running past protection with him out there, and he's not actually getting the ball.
He's not changing the game.
He's not drawing double coverage like, what is the purpose of him being out there if you're not gonna throw him the ball consistently, if he's not gonna make game changing place like to me, that is, that is the big take away on offense, for me is man.
We have no creativity.
We can't run the ball.
Daniel Jones is still turning the ball over.
In his 16 games as a starter, he's turned the ball over multiple times.
10 times like that is just unacceptable.
Like he he's more likely to turn the ball over twice than he is. Zero.
Like that to me is not a good statistic for the offense.
And I don't know where we go from here, where we clearly need to.
You know, put everything in a ****tail shaker and shake that thing up and hope it comes out.
Like with a brand new Prohibition style ****tail.
Because whatever we're doing right now, not working e.
I just I don't know.
I just pictured a lot of like little Ping Pong balls with different players, heads on the bouncing around inside of the shaker and then just kind of coming down out of the table and you go, Yeah, I grabbed that one.
Let's see, uh, Daniel Jones is working a kind of a 2 to 1 ratio.
It's just that it's on the wrong side of it.
You know, I don't Maybe you just need to get that communication.
The other thing that we convention here about this offense because we talked about it coming into this game and we remember last time we were doing our preview.
We thought we kind of rounded into it by the end of we went.
You know what, though, too.
Evan Ingram gets used on 35% of snaps out in the slot and moved off of the line and kind of used in this receiver rule.
So when we didn't see any activations off the practice squad outside of they didn't know, they did activate.
But he was for special teams purposes for the Giants.
At the wide receiver spot, we thought, OK, maybe this feeds into it.
We're gonna get Evan Ingram out there in space.
We're gonna start to use Kaden.
Smith is our true tight end, and let's start to roll with it.
But as I look to the stats here, 79% of their offensive plays 42 plays were run in three wide receiver set.
Everything else is kind of a wash.
Their once you're 79 that the next biggest one is 11% with two wide receivers to tight end.
So when you hear that number, where do you what happens when you hear 79% 3 wide receiver sets? Knowing what we had coming into the game, My mind goes numb.
My mind thing is dumbfounding to me that we played 17% of our snaps in three wide receiver set and you could You could have told me, Adam, that we had three snaps all game where we had three wide receivers out there and I would have been like, Yeah, that sounds about right.
You know, they try to deep ball late in the fourth to C J board, Damien Radley caught one ball and fumbled it out of bounds and then celebrated with the first down.
Like those were the only two times that I noticed another wide receiver out on the field.
Like If we're going to decide to play three wide receiver sets as our primary, you know, set up on offense, we need to get three competent wide receivers out there for Daniel Jones.
I cannot believe that this was the game plan and those who are the decisions made to decide who's on the 53.
You know, the 55 man roster this year.
We gotta have You gotta bring someone up from the practice squad that has some upside.
You gotta sign a veteran wide receiver that you know is gonna get your yards, because that is inexcusable to me.
They had their top three cornerbacks out of the game for this for basically the entire game.
And yet Daniel Jones only had a 170 ish yards it.
To me. It's just inexcusable.
And you're talking about a guy in Golden Tate who had five catches for 35 yards.
You know that that led the team in terms of catches, was close to leading the team In terms of yardage.
We said 1 79 there's not a lot.
There's not a lot to go around there from that standpoint.
Listen, we're gonna We're gonna bounce around through both sides of the ball here, obviously, and and we have something still to come back to in terms of what we're seeing or not seeing from the offense here and from this team overall.
But to briefly I think we don't have to belabor it too much on the defense's side.
I really thought again and you and I were together for this one, which was awesome.
Maybe maybe we buried the lead here.
The charcuterie was perfection.
We just had we had a great.
We had a great time on Sunday in spite of what the Giants were doing on the field.
But you and I start to go back and forth a bit and especially the later stage of the game, where it was just man.
What, like the defense held up its end of the bargain.
Now I understand coming into with the injuries to the 40 Niners, and you know that it's Mullins, but we can't even highlighted that, too was saying, Listen, I know that you expect to be able to have success against Mullins in this offense, but the thing we maybe didn't remember to remind the fan base about was offensive line was pretty intact for the 40 Niners, right? And even some of the guys that they were elevating their guys that have been on this roster and have familiarity.
So I really thought that the defense held their own in this one.
When you talk about having two turnovers for the offense in the first half and still only surrendering 16 points, one Miss Field goal for the 40 Niners in there.
But they did the work 25 minutes time of possession in the first half of the San Francisco 40 Niners.
We know what a disaster that is for a defense of unit when you go into the second half and you already feel like I've done 70% of the reps that I was supposed to do today, and I'm gonna have to do another 60% more in the second half.
So what were your brief take away? I saw a lot of positives early again like, and that's maybe that's why I want to really say there's Blake.
Martinez still looks really strong.
We were really excited about how Bradbury was playing there for big stretches of this game.
I'm not going to dwell too much on the second half where I think at some point your spirit gets broken.
They're a little bit defensively because you you see what's not happening on the other side of the ball.
So is there right? Were there any real glaring things that stood out to you is being real issues on that side? Well, this'd is a tough one, because you and I were were having a friendly debate about this way where you had some solid takeaways from the defense and you felt pretty comfortable like, Hey, listen, you're going to give up turnovers and then the defense is on the wrong side of the field and they're just gonna hold them two field goals like that's all positive.
And, you know, my argument on this is the defense was okay.
They I don't know, necessarily if they were good enough to win the game on their own, even without those turnovers, are we still kind of winning the game? I don't know.
The other piece of it is before the kneel down.
There were eight possessions where the 40 Niners had the ball eight times in scoring range.
The only time that they did not score was a missed field goal.
And you know the problem is not getting off the field on third down.
Not forcing any turnovers is going to kill you.
I mean, Nick Mullins threw for 343 yards.
They let him throw the ball 36 times even up 25 points in the fourth quarter.
That has to tell you something right there.
I looked at you when there was, like, eight minutes, seven minutes off again.
They're up 25 or 30.
I'm like they're still letting Nick Mullen throw the ball 25 yards down the field like they have no worries about this Giants defense right now.
And they're doing anything that they wanted. Thio.
Well, by the way, and this is I'm not.
I'm not trying to silver lining anything here, but they did a good job in run defense, and I think that we've seen that now over the past couple of weeks where we feel like the Giants can lock in in one area or the other.
And we know the secondary is going to struggle, and you need to have that balance.
To your point, though, the eight possessions is pretty brutal.
And when I went back and looked at it before we got into this one, the rial thing that I started to think about was going into those drives and saying, As I have them up here in front of me, you know, a 10 play drive for the 40 Niners, 41 yards, a 12 play drive on Lee 28 yards, by the way, but still on the field, a nine play drive.
They missed that field goal a 12 play drive off foreplay drive for the field goal before the break.
Uh, then, you know, eight plays, four plays, 10 plays.
There would be 15 plays there on the back end of this one with that touchdown that made it 36 to 9 at that point.
So, you know, if I'm gonna be honest about everything that I'm seeing, there is the reality there that what you also saw was long, sustained drives without the ability to to punch through defensively and get a couple of stops.
I'm always going thio in games where the offense turns it over like they did.
I'm always going to say it's hard for me to 100% judge what I'm seeing there on defense because I don't know how the game flow could look if you played clean.
You even if you even if you guys only scored nine points here, this could have been a and this isn't a great 21 9.
Maybe the defense gives up 21 points over the course of the game, and that by today's NFL standards like you should be winning that most of those games more often than not well, But you know how this roster is constructed. We have.
You know, we scored 16 points, nine points.
13 points were just not scoring on offense.
And if you know that's gonna be the case as hard as it is for the defense, you can't be given up more than 25 points, which they have been against.
You know, the Steelers and and now, yesterday against the 40 Niners, Adam, the one positive the silver lining is, you know, the 40 Niners average 2.
7 yards on the ground.
As you mentioned the run stuffing defense, Leonard Williams look great.
He had five tackles, 2.5 for losses.
Ah, few Cuba hurries a sack.
He was all over the field getting pressure.
But the number one telling stat and this one should say everything we need to say is this is the first time since 1993 that the San Francisco 40 Niners did not have a punt in the game.
So if you're not punting the ball, it means your offense is doing something is getting the ball down the field and you're giving yourself a chance to score.
And that's what them having zero turnover.
So no turnovers and you don't punt is probably not a recipe for success.
Yeah, and we also did see Jabrill Peppers suffer a little bit of an injury.
And this one is, well, certainly not helping them on that side of the ball.
But again you got you have to be more than just one piece.
It's a sum of the parts, and I really, I have loved what I've seen from the defensive front at the start of this season.
Unfortunately, we're still a little ways away.
And in that regard, when I think about the 40 Niners and where they are in their franchise, it's also a reminder.
I think about where we are as a Giants organization, because when you go back and look at the San Francisco seasons right and we know that they had their struggles, they won the Super Bowl last year and just that your prior of four win team and they had a one single digit gains on Lee 500 back in 2014.
But go prior to that.
They have that great three year run under Harbaugh, where they have 13 11 and 12 wins prior to that a little bit of a murky stretch and go all the way back to the early two thousands, where they're winning 12 and 10 games.
Now I know that we contract back through the Giants history and remember those Super Bowls that we had like, obviously, there's things there for us to hang our hat on.
But in this, as I mentioned in a time where the Giants air now seven of the eight last season's they came into the game starting Owen, too.
It's just the consistent lack of success is starting to become alarming.
And I think the fact that in spite of all the injuries, the system is in place.
The coach knows how to at a game plan both sides of the ball, and that's even that is something that we still lack a zone organization, stability and consistency.
Then that's what makes it possible to lose as many players as they did and by the way, almost somewhat bullishly.
Come in and say, You know what? We could play Kettle.
We're not going to I'm not gonna risk it, right, Garoppolo Zankel, Yeah, probably probably could go on it, but we're just not going to risk it.
We've already taken too many injuries.
We're gonna go ahead and save these guys like that's as much about protecting the players as it was now looking back in hindsight about how little they were concerned about the Giants, Nick Mullins is the backup quarterback and he threw for 340 yards.
He threw it all over the place.
And you think we're on the road? We gotta be conservative.
We gotta we gotta, you know, game plan to just find a way to win here.
They were like, No, we're just gonna have him drop back 36 times and just sling it all over the place.
And that's the confidence that they have in the system that is working, you know it zoo really tough tow watch.
Also, while while the Russian attack of the 40 Niners wasn't great, the Giants rush Defense is pretty good, But you watched Jeff Wilson come out of nowhere and catch a couple of balls and score touchdowns.
You watch Jerick McKinnon be able to, you know, jump around and make some place.
We invested in in Se Kwan at such a high pick.
You look around and you just say without him, Where where are we? As a team, we could not move the ball at all.
7 yards per carry on the ground by running backs.
We could not do anything effectively.
Are leading pass.
Catcher was Golden Tate with five catches are leading yardage.
Guy was Darius sleeping with 52 yards.
We're not doing anything out in the passing game.
We can't get going on the ground on the ground.
Oh, it's it's It's maddening, It's frustrating and it does show you, You know, the 49% over 10 guys out yesterday, 10 starters and they still put it on the Giants.
I don't I I don't even know if you took every single starter off the field for the 40 Niners.
If we still would winning game, I I just don't know.
It's it's It's maddening to me.
It's all now now.
Oh, and three, you know on this season.
And I think that's the I've instead of coming out of the week to game because that was a bit of a that was a lump is well, but this one, really it drove the point home of just okay, you know, we're all in three.
Got two really different, you know, to theoretically the cowboy.
I mean, the Cowboys, you know, they've been having their ups and downs, but like to really difficult games before, you get into what's supposed to be maybe an easier stretch.
But nothing looks easy right now for the Giants, and they say We're all in three now.
We have the ramps coming up next week and obviously will come back in later this week and get into that matchup.
Let's try to have a little bit of lightheartedness here.
Yeah, well, e, I was just going to say a simple stat.
Oh, and three teams have just about a 3% chance to make the playoffs.
So if you wanted a little bit of doom and gloom before we switch things around, just think we still have a shot.
It's a 3% chance.
So you're telling me there's a chance Eso we way.
We get into some lighter stuff here for the sake of not wanting to completely just bring everyone down.
After what was already miserable Sunday season, Siri's I'll go ahead and, you know, feather the line here.
We're all saying in case fans don't recall, I did win the season Siri's last year.
So I do have the ability to make good game picks.
I do have a track record of success.
I've been having success on Thursday Night Football this year.
However, as my girlfriend on the drive out of town yesterday pointed out to me, it really doesn't matter when you start to say things like, Well, I won last year.
It just It just comes off like a guy who's trying to desperately dig himself out of a hole.
So the reality is I could not have been any further away, Probably on my prediction yesterday, which I had a 24 17 New York football Giants.
I thought this was going to be a game for them.
So, uh, I Listen, Andy, take the floor here.
I don't know how you wanna handle this? What? You know.
Is it a tongue lashing? Do I need Thio? What is that, Uh, da Vinci Code style And just start, you know, hitting myself with a with a ah, thatch off. I don't know.
What do I do? Hear what? What's the operation here.
Well, you know, ironically, I have I don't know.
Have I done enough to earn pity here? I e don't know how I should beat you up, because as a fan of the New York Giants, I want them to win.
I appreciate the passion, and, you know, I while I had the Giants losing, I thought it was gonna be a much more competitive game than it was.
I even had the Giants.
You know, if you took the points, you you know, in my prediction, you probably would have lost yesterday, considering they lost by about 30 points.
It right there was at one point where I was like it actually looked like it might make sense, right? Like like right before their last touched down.
It was like they had, like, 20 years, 23 then all of a sudden, if the Giants score there at, like, 16 and I'm like, right in the realm of what I thought was gonna happen.
But Adam E can't fault you for for being a fan.
Uh, it zits brutal, though, And I think the best thing is you felt like a jilted lover yesterday by looking at me dead in the eyes and saying, I'm not picking the Giants to win another game for the rest of the season.
I just, uh I honestly, you know, until they win a game.
And I think that I tried to walk it back a little bit until they win a game.
But even at that, I I honestly don't know how I can go into a week to on a week to week basis, go in and look at the Giants and say, like, Hey, we have a chance here.
And that includes the Washington football team that includes the disastrous Philadelphia Eagles.
You know, that includes the Bangles like I they have through their game play.
It's not about picking them to win and then losing the game.
It is about now three weeks in a row, the demoralizing fashion at which I look at the outcomes of these games now and by the way not to not to get away from this, but they're getting progressively worse in terms of scoring points.
They've gone from 16 to 13 to nine like it is borderline impressive that you have the ability to score single digit points in the NFL today, like you have to almost be doing something intentional to Onley.
Score nine point.
You can fall forward for nine points in the NFL.
Adam, but the crew isn't This isn't this is not a funny segment that's supposed to like a light hearted thing, and it's not.
It's not going that way at all.
I'm actually getting right back where I was mentally yesterday.
Well, but But listen, I want to take this back because as terrible as the Giants are, the craziest thing is they are not out of the division yet.
If you really think about it, and I know you're saying while they stake, I'm not picking them again.
They can't move the ball on offense like all of that is true.
Yet they are one game out of of winning the division right now.
Like think about it, The Cowboys have one win on a miraculous down 16 come from behind victory.
You know, curved onside kick against the Falcons.
That's their one win.
The Washington football team has one win.
The Philadelphia Eagles have one tie, not even a win like the general in against the Cowboys in the division and they're leading in the division record like that's how close, and that's how inept all the other NFC East teams are.
So how can we make adjustments to not be the worst team in the NFC is we could we could make the playoffs if we get to seven wins.
You even made a joke yesterday.
We might even be able to make the playoffs with six wins at this point, you know, based on based on just winning games in the division.
So I know that sounds crazy.
But the NFC East stinks right now, Well, and I think, but like on the one hand, you're right, right? So if you wanna keep being able to be engaged in this season, you know that you're only one game out of it.
Everybody else is having a disastrous time to start their seasons off, and then the flip side of it is what you say.
A lot of these past couple years ago, this has not been that competitive of the division.
We should be able to get winds in this division.
We shouldn't be getting swept by the Eagles and the Cowboys consistently, and I know that the Cowboys are on paper.
Ah, strong team and I I think that they will round themselves out and ultimately and end up probably through playing the Eagles and us and the Washington football team find themselves back on the right side of things and winning this division, maybe at just eight wins.
Maybe it just nine wins, but the reality of how bad this division has been.
And we talked about this without Sacco about the 40 Niners and how this is that was a borderline must win game for them, because in the division where teams are winning and are undefeated in Seattle winning again.
When you have teams winning like that, you have to turn around and say, Boy, we can't afford to take losses here in the NFC East side of things.
You go? Yeah, I don't know.
Either way, like a tie.
The Eagles, you go way locked it up a tie.
That means we'll be in the We're in this thing all the way to the end.
It's crazy to me, and I know it's you.
Look at the schedules.
The Giants have very tough matchups ahead.
The Giants have a very difficult five game stretch to end the season.
You look at the Dallas schedule, it looks a little bit more favorable.
You see some games, especially cause they play the Giants twice and they play the Washington football team twice and the Eagles twice that you could.
You could see a path to eight or nine wins for the Cowboys.
But as of right now, if the Giants can find a way to turn it around, it starts with the Rams next week.
But really, you know, the Dallas game.
And when we get into that division, if the Giants can go, I know that sounds great.
Four and two in the division.
I mean, yeah, you're talking yourself into having a shot this year, as opposed to just completely packing this in and figuring out what to do with the top three pick.
So before, before we get into our final segment here, we kind of take a little bit of step back at the organization here.
Through three weeks, we were talking about you know what, our podcast identity, right? And what do the two halves of us represent within the podcast? And he said, Oh, well, I'm probably more than numbers guy a little more ****ytical, and you really are the heart and the season ticket holder.
You just can't believe they can't get these wins.
And here we sit after a Week three loss.
I'm losing my mind, your silver lining it now, I guess that's technically still fan like right, you're still doing the fan thing.
But I'm is about entrenched in the muck and mire of emotional despair around the team, as I've probably been in a couple of years, and we've mentioned we've mentioned, you know, Mike a couple times on the show, a friend of mine who he's even said it the last couple weeks of the season, he goes, God, guys like, I feel like I feel like I have to pull you out of the abyss Year like this is not.
This is not where you want me to be and not just on the pocket engine.
As a Giants fan, the last thing you want to hear is that I'm losing hope because that means that things are really bottoming out for the Giants because I have been with one who has hung on every year for the past 34 season, saying no this week.
If they just do a little bit of this, I see a lot of that.
And I'm getting so close to the edge of this being a of checking out on the idea of a successful season.
Still plenty to watch.
Still plenty to learn.
But I'm done with this divisional talk and the silver linings of Well, we're only a game at now.
No, no, we're no.
And three team were a bad football team right now.
And that can move us off my tirade and into our closing segment, which we will lovingly refer to as one giant mistake.
And I'm gonna put it over to you to start this off.
This is not just about this game.
This is about this organization, right? We know a lot of the conversations even yesterday during the game is about Gettleman.
You need to fire him.
The coaching staff back to the Barclay draft, talking about Daniel Jones, what he's doing or not doing.
Where do you stand right now, Andy? What is the big glaring issue that has been holding back this organization? Mhm.
How much time do we have at him? I don't know if I could get it all in.
But what I will say is the big big mistake for me is the construct of the offense.
I know that sounds very philosophical, but let's just break it down for a second.
You spend a high draft pick on the running back position when the running back position is kind of becoming a little bit more commoditized and people are looking Thio, uh, costs there and be able to plug and play different players based on, you know, run zone schemes passing out of the backfield.
So we invest heavily on steak on Barkley has been injured.
It's not necessarily his fault, and we'll call him injury prone because it's tough when you just tear in a CL or hurt your leg.
Um, but the fact of the matter is, that's where we invested a lot of of capital.
We then buck all the trends and decided to draft Daniel Jones much earlier than everyone else thought.
You know, Dave Gettleman was paying for the pick.
It's been a little bit of a mixed bag.
I came into this year thinking that he was really going to take the next leap.
He's still turning the ball over.
We're not moving the ball down the field.
You look at the wide receiving corps.
We have two wide receivers making $10 million each, and one can't stay on the field.
The other one is not a $10 million wide receiver.
Right now he is, Ah, possession guy that gets you five catches for 30 yards in the game.
You look at where else we spent money.
We spent money on every Ingram athletic in the tight end position, game changing place.
He went three catches for 22 yards and a fumble yesterday.
So when you think about the roster construction like we finally start investing in the offensive line and Andrew Thomas Camp Fleming is just problematic.
On the right hand side, he can't stop anyone.
We're starting to think if it's time to move somebody around and bring Purdon or do anything else.
But you look how this team has been constructed from a roster perspective and you look at that entire offensive, you know, situation in its totality.
What what changes over the next 13 games? What I just laid out exactly what our offenses were, not San Antonio Brown is not coming to the New York football Giants were not draft.
You know we're not drafting another running back. We're not.
How does all of this change? This is our team.
This is the bones of our team, even going into next year.
And if that's the case, isn't that troublesome? Well, yes, yes, it is.
And that's and that's really that's why it's so difficult because you're talking about a team and you say you want to get too philosophical.
But it's this idea, right for Marah of I have, I have this vision in my mind, Al Sacco mentioned, is about about the Giants being one of the, you know, one of those Stallworth teams in the NFL.
Like, Listen, we're not We're not one of those teams.
You don't you know? Listen, you don't get the hang your hat on two Super Bowls over the last 20 years and, you know, and feel like, Hey, we did it a couple of times here.
We had had any line Manning.
At some point, you have to look at it and say, It's okay that that we had this great run of success in a very particular model right, feeling comfortable with people, feeling like they have connections to the organization, feeling like we can trust them, right? Being loyal to players.
And I hate that.
I hate the frame it in this way to of At some point, you have to know that the guy is not worth that next contract.
At some point, you have to know that your franchise two time Super Bowl winning two time Super Bowl MVP quarterback is coming to the end of the road.
And you need to prepare for that and or by the way, if you want to prepare for for him to stick around, you certainly have to do the things necessary in terms of building an offensive line in front of them.
But I really think that that mentality of loyalty and familiarity everything for Maris seems on ownership is well, you have to throw Titian to this, but seems like I'd hate to make that.
I hate to make the big mistake, so I'm going to take the safe step.
I'm gonna make a little baby step in the direction I hope to go, and if it doesn't work out well, we're not that far off course, but were still able to do something.
Maybe we can figure it out.
We can try to manage it.
And it's counterintuitive because what you end up really doing is taking slight, marginal steps in the wrong direction.
And before you know it, you turn around and you've actually gotten further away.
And that's what I think, that that's what I think they failed to do.
So the great example is saying You bring in Thomas this year and you feel good about that.
But because you haven't fixed the rest of the offensive line by the time you do the next step there, you'll look back and say, and I think Thomas is gonna be fine.
You'd say Hernandez is a great example, right? You take Hernandez, but you wait two more years before you get in the next young offensive lineman to pair with him.
And now you're not so sure if Hernandez is ready and I'm not so sure if it's because he didn't develop or because you didn't develop them and that's that's where these little missteps these half moves over over the offense and defensive side of the bowl never allow one area to grow healthily enough where you can lean on it.
Then you pointed out all of those areas about taking athletic players too high in the draft and not focusing on what's necessary here.
And I just I don't know what the move is That starts to get it back on track because we're in that dangerous spot now of new GM.
Okay, that might mean new head coach, you know, 456 How many head coaches you gonna have over a decade before you realize how awful the situation is right now And that that's really why it is spiraling the drain for me because this feels like it's some point.
It needs to be the tear down, including the guys that are good and you've actually like on this team.
They're gonna have to go because you've got to get down to the bones of this franchise before you can actually rebuild the foundation and have success.
The foundation has been faulty for years, and you keep trying to balance yourself on top of it.
It's not the way a house gets built.
Well, it's funny because I the whole time that you're thinking that I'm saying down to the studs right like that is literally what I'm thinking about.
And I'll pose a question to you, Adam.
And this is the way that we should be thinking about.
It is, you know, there's 32 teams in the NFL.
What positions would you say that the New York Giants have a top half player in terms of like, you know, you throw? Let's just I don't mean to pick on evidence, but you just throw all the tight ends into the pot.
Is Evan Ingram a top half tight end? When you start thinking about that across the entire team, you'll probably have a handful of guys that you say, All right, they're better than the average player on other teams.
Now, take it a step further.
If I said we're looking at Cornerstone players that are gonna move this franchise forward for the next five years, how many of those guys are those guys that you would say no matter what? These.
This is the guy that I need on my team.
To be honest with you, it's less than what a handful like you could probably count.
On one hand, how many guys you think legitimately should be here, and I don't think I'm overstating it.
When? When? When I think about that.
Like sure, you can have complimentary pieces if you're really good in certain areas, you know, like, Hey, listen, everyone knocks on Trent Dilfer winning winning a Super Bowl with the Ravens.
But you don't need Patrick Mahomes if the rosters constructed a certain way to be successful.
So, like, yes, can these players be complimentary pieces? Could they leave the Giants tomorrow, but beyond San Francisco, Kansas City, and do well off course? But when we're talking about building this team for success, like how many players are there where you're like, No, that person needs to be a part of it, Like maybe a couple on defense.
Maybe, say Kwan like, other than that, you know, maybe Slaten, I just don't know.
Yeah, you say Dexter Lawrence is probably the guy there on the defensive front that you that you would really like to build around.
You say he's a nice cornerstone there, but again, franchise tag for London. Williams.
You don't know if he's gonna be around.
I don't know if you look at him that way in particular, in spite of having a couple of nice games here, you talk about the outside and Bradbury well, I love the way he's played, but he's also kind of brought here to be the stopgap guy.
He's not supposed to be the long term solution.
They're getting into his later twenties, playing on the outside on defense, you know, at the secondary level, we obviously are missing McKinney this year because of the injury.
He may come back later in the seat, so it will be nice to get a little sample size of him.
But that that right there, you know, even the linebacking corps, like the way Blake Martinez has played, doesn't mean that I considered a cornerstone guy.
Maybe I say Lorenzo Carter with the play that I've seen from him this season.
So now, right now, not knowing what the young players, the rookies and some of those pieces could develop into, And that's not me hanging my hat on it as like, hey, you never know.
But Carter and Dexter Lawrence might be the only, and I'll throw in McKinney because of who he is, where we drafted him.
You know that maybe are the three guys you say? Well, if I had to strip it down and Onley keep what you need to survive, Maybe those three guys there and then on the offensive side, you know, like you said, Is Barkley in the top half? Of course he is.
But is he a cornerstone guy? Probably not.
Just because of what were the position that he plays three only guy that you'd lock in.
There is probably Thomas on the offensive line.
To your point, we were higher on Daniel Jones coming into this year than we currently sit at up for a very obvious reason.
So can you lock him into that as well? And then you talk about the wide receivers.
I'll be honest, too, in spite of Evan Ingram, who will just breeze right past cause everybody knows how I feel about him talking about a guy like Darius Layton, right? In spite of, we understand what's going on right now on the roster.
But this is an opportunity for him to assert himself is Hey, I could be relied on.
I could be depended on.
In the last two weeks, he's been shut down so that tells me, and I didn't think that he was a true elite, number one wide receiver, But it also tells me that he is very dependent on what else is there at wide receiver and what else is on the offensive side of the ball in order. Have success.
So there's no way that I could put him into that category, either.
So I'm talking about one player on the offensive line who I would hang my hat on and say We can build going forward.
You want to throw Hernandez in there? Possibly great, but five players.
There's five guys, there's five guys.
And by the way, not one of them I'm not listening is ah, quarterback or, you know, ah, stud cornerback on the outside like that's the problem to.
You're talking about some of the most key positions and they don't get into that realm yet.
Uh, you like it said it's five, maybe six.
Guys, listen, you know, Slate and I feel like you have something there and obviously, you know, with his contract in his age in his youth, one that you'd say you want you want to keep around, Um, you know, obviously, like you, said Andrew Thomas is, is the is the main focal point on the offense.
You still have to keep safe going around.
The challenge is when you get to the second contract with, say, Kwan, whether or not you're gonna be paying them 18 $1920 million a year when we have so many other holes to fill.
And so I asked that question because I just think about like to your point, how close are we to actually competing and, well, who are the players that have to be here no matter what? And that handful Is it Z less than 10? It's more than three, and it's at some of the key areas that we're gonna need to address in the off season.
And Daniel Jones now is in this weird territory where if he continues to turn the ball over at the rate that he did that, he is he He's in a weird situation with the Giants, where you could see the Giants saying we only win two games, we have the number one pick.
What do we want to do with it? Do we do we want to take a quarterback or do we believe in Daniel Jones.
So let's trade away this pick and get as many assets as possible.
Like those air realistic things that that gentleman is gonna have to think about if the season continues down the path that is on today.
Yeah, I would say, you know, Silver Lining, as I highlighted before the 40 Niners won four games and then they went, you know, and then they went in 1 13 the following year.
Obviously, turnarounds can come quick in the NFL, but right now into your points like next year.
You go to that draft and I will.
We'll get into all this stuff is the year moves along.
But if I'm the Giants, it's regardless of what Daniel Jones does this season.
If I have the number one pick, I trade it back.
I get enormous hole of assets and I say, Let's go about rebuilding this roster and we'll live.
You know, we're gonna live with the fact that you know Trevor Long, I get it.
You know nothing's guaranteed when you draft a quarterback, and I just think you're so far away and you need so much to your point.
I'd rather see this team live in that uncer*****y.
Where you go, we're gonna look for a Trent Dilfer type of guy to see if you can plug into our well built team and lead us to a deep playoff run.
And if not, we'll be a team that's still making the playoffs consistently.
And I know that the fans want championships and I understand that you want to be able to feel like you can compete that way.
And having a franchise quarterback is one of those necessities more often than not.
But the reality is you may have to settle into the idea of, You know, what I really love is being competitive for the playoffs the last three or four weeks of the season like that.
That's where that's where we should be right now and then.
Once you do that for three or four years, that's when you start to ramp up expectations.
But this idea of being competitive, you know, being in the playoffs and having run.
It's just that you can't have those expectations.
It's just impossible.
Adam, you're absolutely right.
I mean, I don't know if I necessarily would would go about it the same way and that'll be an interesting topic for us, Uh, in the off season.
I think the thing that I think about after watching Daniel Jones turned the ball over multiple times yesterday is Jameis Winston through for 5000 yards last year.
And he's a backup quarterback now, like there is a such a premium on being able to keep the ball and not have turnovers where a guy that leads the league in passing yards can't be a starter in the NFL, and I don't I don't necessarily know if the correlation makes sense, but think about it.
You know Jameis Winston was a young top draft pick throwing the ball all over the place, but was throwing pick sixes and couldn't keep his team in the game because of the mistakes and the turnovers that he had.
I am worried that if this continues down this path of multiple turnovers in the majority of games for Daniel Jones, if he ends up being that type of player where it's like, could he when you a couple games? Sure.
But we can't rely on him to be our franchise quarterback because he cannot take care of the ball.
So plenty to look forward here as we work our way through this season will come back in on Wednesday as we dio break down some of the injury updates, saw a little tweak there for Thomas.
Late in this game, he went to the sideline.
Nothing out on the wire.
Right now, as far as what that looks like, it doesn't look like it was anything more than just being precautionary at the back end of this one.
Beyond that, though, the injury report.
We'll have a little bit, hopefully a little bit of fun on Wednesday.
Let's have a little bit of fun friends, and then we'll start to look ahead with that matchup against the Rams and see as we approach the quarter point.
The first quarter this season will wrap up following the next week's match up and we'll really start to break down and you can kind of tell where we're trending here.
But we're gonna break down specifically within this season.
However, the performances looked at the different positions for particular players through the first four games because that's the way you need to evaluate is where do we stand at Q B.
Where do we stand? Defensive offensive line, etcetera.
So look forward for that next week.
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