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Great episode. We've got Joe Giulio.
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Like I said, radio personality.
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He's coming on about 25 ish minutes.
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Um, But before we even get to that, we're gonna talk some.
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Brees and Brady, they're falling off.
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They're kind of, you know, they're regressing, but they're aggressive on two different rates or two different ways.
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We're gonna talk Thio, talk to Julia.
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Last week, we talked with Maggie about some college football.
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We're gonna go dive a lot deeper with Joe because he's really, like, all about that stuff.
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And then Thio end the show.
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I'm going to tell you something that nobody is talking about.
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Um, but I think it's very important huge this NFL season and has a lot to do with what we're seeing on the football field.
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So before we do that, though, we gotta talk.
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LeBron James? Yeah.
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Last time you talked, LeBron Kevin, You know, you were really hard on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. Well, let's relax.
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Let's relax. Um, um I'm gonna be hard on them.
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No, I just I like this thing called accountability.
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I like holding people accountable.
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I like making sure that people are very consistent with, um their words.
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Okay, so let me give you the back story, right? So recently the polls just came out.
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LeBron Jr Jonah's onstage Campo one M v p.
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85 1st place votes.
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The other 16 went to LeBron James.
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James Harden did not get any votes, but that was the top.
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Well, I guess you know that that was the top three.
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Alright, So LeBron finished second.
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So, of course, because it wouldn't be newsworthy.
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Otherwise, off course, people had to ask LeBron James about his thoughts and his feelings about coming second in the M v P right now.
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First, the fact that LeBron James is even being asked about this M v p.
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Let me move my notes in front of me off the second that LeBron's even being asked about how he feels about coming in second tells you all you need to know, right? Like when you ask when people ask James Harden like, Oh, you know, what do you feel about your not getting first right? You know, because they know he's gonna be upset because they know he probably deserved to win because he always, you know, is deserving to win M v p.
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Right, LeBron, Same way Eso that already tells you number one.
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The fact that people care how he feels about the fact that he didn't actually.
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When tells you one thing, Okay, Now, actually, you know what? Let's go into the pressure.
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I'm gonna play a sound clip for you guys.
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Once I pull it up, I'm gonna play a sound clip for you guys of LeBron's presser When he was asked, you know, kind of he, like, saw the results.
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And, um, just listen to what LeBron had to say one of four times, But now you come in second four times.
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What's that feeling like for you? And what do you think of the with? **** me off? Not truly.
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It has my true answer.
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Um, it ****ed me off because out of 101 polls, I got 16 1st 1st place votes.
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Uh, doesn't **** me off or anything.
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You know, I'm not saying that, you know, when it wasn't deserving of the M v. P.
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Um right.
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That ****ed me off on.
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I finished second a lot in my career, either From championship now four times of the M v p No.
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Like I said, I never never came into this league.
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Sound to me.
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B M v P O r.
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Be a champion of always that You wanna get better and better every single day on those things that take care of herself.
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Something that's just out of my hands.
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Some things you can't control.
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Well, you ****ed me off on.
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Um, do you feel like the M.
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V P criteria is something that rewards the most valuable player in the league? Thank you.
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit up here and talk about what criteria should be over.
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It is Well, this changed over the years.
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I've got into the league.
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I know that.
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You know, it's just changed.
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It's changed a lot.
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Sometimes this you know, the best player on the best team.
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Sometimes it's the guy with the best season statistically, uh, sometimes, uh, it has changed over courses over the course of my career.
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You know? You don't know.
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You don't know.
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But you know, Don has had a hell of a season high deficit.
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So, yes.
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So that was LeBron's reaction.
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You know, he was asked a couple questions regarding the M V P, you know, and and quote it ****ed him off.
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He was ****ed off.
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Um, he also did go on to say that he doesn't really care, you know, income in the league to win MVPs.
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And you know, he in that specific moment he was like, Oh, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to my room, drinks and wine and sleep very, very well.
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Um, you know, so don't get it twisted.
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These are his words.
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Don't get it twisted, you know? But, you know, I'm fine.
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Um Okay.
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Well, ah, before I say the next thing, one thing I've always had.
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So I used to work with kids, and I used to lead, like, the staff, you know, teach them how to lead a group of kids, you know? And, you know, they are their their authority.
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Figure first and friend later.
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And I said when you get to the point where you have to express to them that you're in charge, that's when you know that you're no longer in charge, so yeah, when I have to sit there and try to convince you I'm not mad and I have to double down and triple down on it Or like you know, that it doesn't bother me or whatever.
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That's kind of when we know that, yeah, it does bother you.
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And here's the thing like, That's okay.
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Like I don't understand why it's such a big deal for something like the M V P Award to bother you like everyone's always like, you know, just just like that.
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Like passive aggressive thing that people do, just like human beings in general do where they're just like, Oh, you know, like I'm just saying, like I'm not mad about it doesn't bother me.
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I'm just saying like, Well, you know, it was you enough because you felt that you had to say it.
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So it does bother you, and that's okay to say it bothers you.
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I don't think that it helps anyone for us to be dishonest about how it makes us feel.
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Um, so it's okay to say, Yeah, that bothers me like and yeah, he said it ****ed me off.
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But e think it's still, you know, makes him upset and that's fine.
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I think it's not just this year.
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He said that what made him the most man was that he only got 16 out of 101 1st place votes.
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Okay, well, here's my thing.
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If you believe that, I don't buy that 1st 2nd like, Oh, it's not.
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The fact that I lost is the fact that I only got 16 people for 16 1st place votes.
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Well, if you're okay with the fact that you lost and you're okay with the fact that people thought that somebody deserved it more than you.
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Okay, Why does it matter how many, Right? Like if you we're okay that you lost.
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And that means you're okay.
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Conceding the fact that Yannis deserved it more than you.
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All right, whether you got 16 out of 101 or whether you got 49 out of 101 it doesn't matter because he's still got more first place votes.
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And if the result is the same, how you got the result in this case does not matter. Like I know.
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Like you talk about things like, Oh, you know, you can't let the result justify the means, right? But if you are honest, deserves it over LeBron.
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Why does it matter whether if 101 people feel the way that that if they feel that way, then therefore that's the way it's going to go If you're upset with the amount, I mean, the amount doesn't matter like you got you got chosen over you Doesn't matter the amount, so it doesn't matter.
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And if you're okay with, it's not that he won.
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If you're okay with him winning, then he was.
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Then he wins.
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And that's all that it really is.
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That's the only thing that that number matters like you're like, Oh, well, I'd rather if he's gonna win, it should be closer.
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Well, it's not a matter of like a point system.
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Like if I have to vote, either choose him or I choose you.
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Okay, so is one of the other.
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Just because you only got 16 votes to his 85 doesn't mean he won by like doesn't mean he was this much more than M v P than you.
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This just means that 85 people felt him 16 thought you That's it.
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That's it.
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Like so It's okay for that to be the But what bothers you? You can say, man, I'm a small forward.
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I led the league and assist.
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This year, nobody's doing that.
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Why am I not winning the MVP? It's okay.
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Say it. Be honest.
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Be honest, right? Like you don't have to be the guy who just doesn't care about anything and just like, you know, what's it roll? You don't have to be that guy.
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It's okay to be like, Hey, I play in the professional sports and I care about this stuff because you really have paid to care.
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Now here's one thing he did say that I, like 100% agree with.
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I know I've been hard, LeBron, but this is one thing that he said He also implied that the MVPs becoming a lot about storylines.
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You know, people want a good story as opposed to watching professional basketball.
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I think that he's absolutely right and that's with every sport, right? The M V P is always like the best story.
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Think about it.
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Russell Wilson.
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I mean, Russell's Russell Westbrook average a triple double after Kevin Durant left him high and dry like lead thunder the playoffs like M v P.
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Why? Because it's a good story.
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I mean, he also, you know, you still have to put up numbers, but that's it's the story, right? Um, James Harden.
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How many second places did he get in a row? Finally, you know, it's a story.
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He's doing ridiculous stuff.
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Averaging 30 points, 39 9 type stuff.
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Um, what else in the in the NFL, you know, Lamar Jackson.
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You know, all he's been talked about? Oh, he's just He's just he's really a running back, blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Does he do ball out? Boom.
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Patrick Mahomes, like second year, first year, starting like he's doing amazing stuff.
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Throwing no look passes, storyline.
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The story like, Where is the media? Where are people's attention? Where is it? Gravitating.
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That's what we're going to give the M V P to an all these sports.
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That's exact that so and I'm 100% with that.
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I don't think it's just basketball.
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I mean, I don't get me wrong.
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Derrick Rose scoring 50 points in a game his career high in Minnesota.
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Um, after you know, after all those injuries isn't gonna win him MVP.
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That's a great story line.
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But you also still have to, you know, put up numbers.
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So it's not all about the storyline, but the storyline has a you know, if me and my friend average the same amount of points, Same man assists, rebounds.
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Still like if our numbers are exactly the same.
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But he came back from an A C L injury last year and one the year before that.
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So he's got to a C l injuries and back to back years and he comes back, he's gonna win M v p over me because the storyline is better.
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Look what he came back from.
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Look what he had to endure twice.
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So, yes, I absolutely agree that storylines do matter.
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They matter a lot, Which is why when you're betting on things, y'all you know, you know you wanna make bets, think about the storylines.
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Football.
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Kyler Murray.
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Yeah, that's probably going to repeat that.
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Besides the fact that yeah, you know, he's balling out.
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You know, this will be that's two years in a row that second year quarterbacks have one EVP or I'm sorry.
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Second, your yeah, second year quarterbacks of one m V, P and Homes in Lamar Jackson, Nacala Murray or you Go Russell Wilson, who for the last Forever, especially for the last two years, has gotten a lot of traction.
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He's underrated.
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Now he's finally getting the respect he wants.
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He's balling out, he can't miss.
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He's on fire.
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Win, M v p.
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You know, storylines, right? Storylines.
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So, um I mean, I just I know it seems like I'm I'm being hard on LeBron.
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I'm getting down on them a little bit, like, I promise you, I don't hate LeBron and no stretch of the imagination because I know what's gonna happen.
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I know that people are going to attack me for coming at him, right? Like like anything you say bad about LeBron.
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It's always one thing.
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If you say something great about Kevin Durant, it's a slight of LeBron.
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That's just the way it goes.
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I look, I'm just saying, if you care, you can say you care.
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We want honesty out of our athletes.
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I know that.
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Then when they're honest, we you know, we chew him up and spit him out.
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But we want honesty from our athletes, so I'll be honest.
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LeBron be honest.
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That's my biggest thing.
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Honestly, is huge for me when it comes to my personal relationships, whether it's romantic or just friendships or whatever.
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Honesty is huge.
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I don't think you're being honest about you know, your intentions with the whole protest ing thing.
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The thing I got on LeBron about last time, Same deal.
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It's all about honesty.
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Just be honest.
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Honestly, it makes you upset you didn't win M v P doing the things that you did.
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It's okay to say that, but you don't want to come out and say I was trying to win M V P because that makes it seem like yourself is you were only worried about when an M V P not, you know, winning games.
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So that's why you don't want to say that.
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I get it, I guess, but just want you to be honest, man.
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I just want to be honest.
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Let's segue to this Tom Brady and Drew Brees, 111 Let me let me start with this Okay, again.
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I loved watching Tom Brady and his greatness in New England.
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I loved watching Drew Brees and see what he can do for the city of New Orleans.
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Um, I will say that breeze.
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Ah, lot of his numbers.
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Like all the records, he's gotten stuff to me. Feel like empty calories.
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Um, he's been throwing the ball around a lot of six and 10 teams, right? Same thing with like Philip Rivers.
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The only difference between breeze and Rivers as rivers, those that those terms of all over more and hasn't won a Super Bowl.
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That's the only difference to me and Philip Rivers and Drew Brees.
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Um, and Tom, of course, had Belichick blah, blah, blah.
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But that's not what I want to talk about here.
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Okay? Brees and Brady are both declining, all right.
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They get a lot of credit off of their name off of, um, who they are and what they've done, deservedly. So.
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Okay, but that's the mist ake that, like the media and a lot of fans make their like, Oh, they hear Brady's name and it's like, Oh, well, it's Brady, Like, gotta pick him right? And I'm very much more of a realist.
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I'm not really I'm not really not really.
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You know for that, right? So let's let's let's talk for a second, because Brees and Brady right now.
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Look bad.
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Okay.
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NFL top 100 came out.
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Breeze was high. Brady was high.
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I think they were both above.
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And Rogers, somehow, you know, we know that the top 100 list are stupid.
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Anyone who takes those lists seriously, especially the one by ESPN.
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Just come on.
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Like like do better.
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Right? But anyway, so Brees and Brady both look bad.
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Now, of course, everyone knows the famous Max Kellerman clip from a few years ago.
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Brady's gonna fall off a cliff.
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He's just gonna no smack.
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Right then, of course, ready.
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And win another Super Bowl.
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Almost made it to another Super Bowl since then.
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Like so, you know, everyone knows about that.
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Okay? Are they gonna cliff? No.
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There's no cliffs, but it's just gradual decline.
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But while Brees and Brady, both both their teams or one and one and neither one of them look particularly good, obviously they're not themselves.
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And I think that, you know, I wanted to be careful to make did take how they're playing now compared to their old cells.
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I took it as just like how they're playing now in a vacuum site.
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So let's talk about breeze first.
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Okay, He doesn't look good. He looks bad.
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He looks bad.
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There's no rhythm.
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He's not that really elite accuracy quarterback, um, in the pockets.
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Honestly, guys, I'm just being honest here.
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It kind of looks like a rookie like he's just not comfortable.
00:18:57
Like it just does not seem like, you know, he doesn't have a good pocket like he's like, yeah, maneuver in the pocket, doing what he does now.
00:19:03
Part of that is no Michael Thomas.
00:19:06
I get it.
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You know your big number one receiver.
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It gets, you know, 40 targets a game had 140 catches or something like that last year.
00:19:14
That's a lot of catches.
00:19:16
Um, so, like, I get it.
00:19:20
But even still, like this is the same.
00:19:24
Drew Brees is the same Sean Payton.
00:19:27
Like the new piece you added to your offense was Emmanuel Sanders.
00:19:34
That's it.
00:19:36
Same Taysom Hill.
00:19:37
Same album camera, same Jared cook, you know, same trick. Juan Smith.
00:19:44
Like it's the same guys.
00:19:47
So you know, the this, this miscommunication stuff.
00:19:51
People saying Well, you know that pass fell incomplete, but it may have been because the receiver didn't do X y and Z like that Excuse kind of goes out the window.
00:19:58
Oh, well, no Practice cove it that goes out the window.
00:20:01
Because the only new piece to the Saints team on offense is Emmanuel Sanders.
00:20:09
So outside of him, there is no there is no excuse of.
00:20:13
Well, you know Drew Brees? No, Kobe.
00:20:15
They got to take some time.
00:20:16
They got to get right.
00:20:17
No, no, they don't get to do that because nobody else everybody else was in the same predicament.
00:20:22
When it comes to coach, right, I don't see anybody, you know, talking about the Packers.
00:20:29
You know, if you want to give three excuses for Drew Brees as faras Oh, well, Kobe, he's shaky, Rusty.
00:20:36
Whatever.
00:20:37
It's not that he's getting old, and you would then you better give the same amount of that in the like reverse of credit to Anna Rogers because he didn't have.
00:20:44
He was in the same expect the same thing.
00:20:47
Second year, same coach, same roster, same players and boom.
00:20:51
Look at Packers.
00:20:52
You're doing on offense, right? So So Greece does not look good.
00:20:58
That's his regression.
00:21:01
Now let's talk about Tom Brady because Tom Brady does not look good either, but Tom Brady's, um, regression looks a little bit better.
00:21:15
Alright, I'm sorry.
00:21:17
Different.
00:21:18
This is different in a better way.
00:21:20
Okay, so it's on.
00:21:21
The Brady does not look good, either.
00:21:23
Okay, he looks bad.
00:21:24
Once again.
00:21:25
There's no accuracy again, his accuracy.
00:21:29
I mean, there's no rhythm.
00:21:30
Excuse me.
00:21:31
His accuracy is a little bit shaky.
00:21:33
The difference is, Tom Brady is like a rookie.
00:21:35
The one thing heat.
00:21:36
Well, not the one thing, but one of the many things he's ableto he's been able to do well is, you know he can sit in the pocket, will step up back up sideways side, step up, step deliver like maneuver in that pocket is something that Brady's always been able to do well, like always.
00:21:53
So that didn't change This offense, though.
00:21:58
Looks at a sink, right? We've seen, you know, out of sync with his receivers, Mike Evans, especially his number one receiver in that first game.
00:22:06
Obviously, through that pick, Evans stopped or he thought he ran a post.
00:22:10
He ran more in cut, so he overthrew him.
00:22:13
Um, ended up being picked off, you know, miscommunications on offense.
00:22:20
That's the stuff that we're seeing from the Bucks Now when you have a quarterback who's brand new, just jumping into a system like Brady is, that's where you can kind of chalk up that.
00:22:35
Oh, you know, co vid lack of off season.
00:22:38
That's where you can chalk up that kind of stuff.
00:22:40
You can't do that with Drew Brees because, you know this is the same.
00:22:43
Same same offense, same coach like I don't wanna hear that with Drew Brees, right, Rusty, you know, shaking off whatever.
00:22:50
But I don't wanna hear the excuse of law.
00:22:52
Will Kobe.
00:22:53
Everyone dealt with Kobe.
00:22:54
Everyone dealt with the craziness.
00:22:56
And, you know, we are where we are.
00:23:00
But Brady looks bad because he looks like they're just They haven't gotten it together yet.
00:23:06
What you think to me what you think would adjust week, Four weeks, five breeze looks bad because he just looks like bad.
00:23:14
Like I'm all about the eye test.
00:23:16
To me, Breeze looks like he's getting old like the offense seems like it is very much trying to hide a lack of arm strength, not push the ball down the field while Brady looks like Yeah, we need we need to get some stuff together.
00:23:31
Um, there are some things missing.
00:23:33
Of course we won.
00:23:34
He had a throw outside the numbers on an out route that got picked off.
00:23:38
But, you know, people are trying to talk that upto arm strength.
00:23:41
But island, I saw him make the exact same throw we to, and it was completion.
00:23:46
He just threw it.
00:23:47
He just threw a bad pass.
00:23:49
Um, and so that's our difference there.
00:23:51
Brady and Brees.
00:23:52
Um, there's a There's a decline.
00:23:54
Nobody's gonna deny that.
00:23:56
I just think they're declines were different for different reasons.
00:23:59
I'm a little more patient with Brady as I am with Brees.
00:24:02
Um, either way, I think that it's it was a mistake for Tampa Bay to move off of James for Brady.
00:24:09
And I think that it was a you know, a beautiful decision for the saints to go say Okay, Jamous Well, come take you. Thank you.
00:24:19
Um and that's pretty much I got to say on that front.
00:24:23
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00:25:14
None other than Mr Joe.
00:25:17
Giulio.
00:25:18
Joe, how are you doing, man? I'm good. Kevin.
00:25:20
How are you? Uh, not too bad.
00:25:22
So, um, for those of everyone who doesn't know, Joe is one of the host of a radio show that I'm actually coming to really enjoy the O g.
00:25:33
Um, with Joe VI ous and they talk a lot of different sports.
00:25:38
A lot of local stuff. And I'm from Raleigh.
00:25:40
Eso Joe one.
00:25:43
I've always wanted to say this, So bear with me.
00:25:45
Um, yeah, that's Joe Giulio.
00:25:51
I'm Kevin Claire, and this is the bottom line.
00:25:54
That's that's just that I have to get that out the way I love when you guys, like, say that that's, like, really cool eso Let's just jump right into it.
00:26:03
Uh, first, we're gonna start with before we go into college football, which is what I really care about.
00:26:07
We're gonna start with the Clippers, right? Uh, now, just your initial thoughts takeaways.
00:26:13
I'm I'm here for all this slander.
00:26:15
Anything I see on Twitter, like I want all of it.
00:26:17
I'm dying, laughing.
00:26:19
I don't really carry the way.
00:26:20
Like I'm not a fan.
00:26:21
I don't hate him, but I'm here for the slander, your initial thoughts.
00:26:25
Just seeing the Clippers blowing that 31 lead.
00:26:27
There's no way anyone really could have predicted that they were going to do that.
00:26:30
Um, you know where you thinking? You know, Paul George Really the right number two.
00:26:35
Like, just like what are your thoughts.
00:26:37
Seeing how that Syria's kind of panned out.
00:26:41
Yeah, I was surprised that they were not able to close out the Denver Nuggets.
00:26:44
That was the team on.
00:26:46
If you look at the Clippers roster one through 12 I'd still be hard pressed to find toe.
00:26:52
Listen to an argument that says they aren't the best team in the NBA.
00:26:57
The issue for them was they never really were all together at the same time, right? You had quiet.
00:27:03
Leonard would take off back to back days.
00:27:05
Paul George, Miss Port, a portion of the early part of the season with his injuries.
00:27:10
I think it was something like 37 games total that PG and Co.
00:27:14
I played together.
00:27:15
It was almost like a dozen games with blue trees.
00:27:20
PG and Co. I.
00:27:22
And when those air your four guys and it seemed like you know, the the Clippers had success before co I m p g got there, and that was on the backs of Lou Williams.
00:27:33
That was on the back of Montrezl Harrell, Patrick Beverley.
00:27:37
So they had almost like two different teams, if you will, and they just never seemed to mesh as one the good news for them, and it's Paul, George said.
00:27:45
Is there not a one and done type year like they have another year to fix it? But obviously is co.
00:27:54
I really going to play more games? Probably not.
00:27:57
So you still have to learn.
00:27:58
There's one set of rules for the rest of the team, and there's a set of rules for quiet.
00:28:03
And I'm actually glad that you you mentioned the whole set of rules thing because that pants perfectly.
00:28:09
Do you think when you're a guy like Lou Williams, you know Patrick Beverley your these guys? So, yeah, there weren't very many expectations for the Clippers what, Two years ago, Right? And they went out there and they kind of they took it to Golden State. They lost.
00:28:21
But they you know, they put up a valiant effort.
00:28:23
Now, all of a sudden, we got these two guys coming in, and it's like they're treated like, you know, I don't want I don't use this term lightly.
00:28:29
They're treated kind of like royalty.
00:28:31
Uh, while we're just regular guys now, when Last year, you know, it was it was about all of us.
00:28:36
Now it's about them and then us like what we do to support them.
00:28:40
Like, Do you think that that could have added some sort of riff in the locker room like I played sports? I played basketball specifically, and you know, the best players like it really matters.
00:28:50
Whether or not your best players had that kind of camaraderie with the teammates when your best players treated better than the rest, that does taken effect.
00:29:01
And you got you know, you got a guy like at the end of the day, these athletes, their prideful, they they're trying to make their money, and but they all they all can hoop.
00:29:09
Most of these guys are like, you know, Mr Basketballs of their states, like just because they come off the bench doesn't mean they're scrubs.
00:29:15
And so you've got a guy who comes in here. He didn't say much.
00:29:19
Paul George, who says a lot but you know, doesn't seem to do much when it really matters.
00:29:24
Um, you think that had an effect? Do you think it was just kind of like not enough time? We'll just We'll just leave it that not enough time and, well, we're running back next year.
00:29:34
I think, Joe, I don't know if I think it might have.
00:29:42
Ah, muted or something? Can't Yeah.
00:29:51
Got some technical difficulties, but just figuring out.
00:29:53
So no worries there, Dio.
00:30:01
But anyway, while we're waiting, I will, Um so yeah, Yeah, prideful.
00:30:07
Um, my biggest thing is I don't know.
00:30:13
I just I just feel like it's a we can run it back, but I don't necessarily like think that I don't know.
00:30:22
I really don't know what to make of the clippers.
00:30:25
At the end of the day, they really just need to, um I mean, running back and we'll see what happens.
00:30:33
There is no excuse next year.
00:30:34
No excuse if they're if they all play and they're all healthy, there's no excuse.
00:30:38
And if they don't make it work, you know that year one plus one that year.
00:30:44
Good.
00:30:47
Ah.
00:30:48
Ah.
00:30:54
Did you watch? Mhm workbook basically got like, Yeah, they can choose that.
00:31:05
And, um Okay, that was weird.
00:32:25
I don't know what happened with their I'll make sure I edit that in the podcast because that was odd.
00:32:29
Sorry for those who are watching.
00:32:31
Can you hear me now? Yes, and I could hear you now.
00:32:34
So whatever problem, Um, so yeah.
00:32:37
Anyway, um, like I said, You think it's more of a just chalk it up to not enough rhythm.
00:32:42
You think it's deeper than that? You would think.
00:32:47
Give him some time.
00:32:48
They'll figure it out.
00:32:50
But sometimes not all the parts fit together the way that they're supposed to. Right, Kev.
00:32:55
And with With Quiet Leonard, he's a different dude, you know, he's certainly different with his teammates, and he is with the media or as we see him from the outside.
00:33:05
But he's also It's tough when you're playing 82 games and he's playing 50 you know.
00:33:12
And the payoff for the Raptors was they won the title.
00:33:16
But remember, if he misses that shot against the Sixers, we probably think of them differently.
00:33:21
And all the time he took off for the Raptors last year, Raptors were also I feel like another deep team with some young players, but the Clippers, as deep as they are, they're not.
00:33:30
They don't rely on young players, young young players.
00:33:34
They're probably more likely to go.
00:33:36
You know what? I get a little shine here when Kawai is not playing.
00:33:40
I'll take it. I'll take the opportunity.
00:33:42
Fred Manly might think that way.
00:33:44
A Paschal Siaca might think that way.
00:33:47
Lou Williams mantra is Harold that they might think, you know Hey, dude, we made the playoffs without you last year.
00:33:54
We don't necessarily need you, but I think I think Mawr of that would be if you play more together, you spend more time together.
00:34:02
Obviously, it was crazy.
00:34:03
The pandemic this season being interrupted the way it was.
00:34:06
You really started seeing the Clippers in February starting to play better, starting to play at the level that they should have been playing at eso.
00:34:14
I think the Bucks, the Clippers were two of the team's really affected by the shutdown.
00:34:19
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:34:20
I hear you, um, well, enough time on the Clippers because at the end of the day, like I said, I'm here for all the slander, and I see jokes every day on Twitter and I love it like it's just funny to me.
00:34:31
Um, and I'm not a hater.
00:34:33
I just like seeing funny stuff.
00:34:35
Um, let's move to football first.
00:34:38
We'll start the NFL.
00:34:41
We two is over and done with, uh, any any.
00:34:45
What's your biggest overreaction, right? Like I heard, I saw someone on the radio say, Oh, you know Carson Wentz needs to go to the bench.
00:34:51
They'll start.
00:34:52
They need to start.
00:34:53
Jalen hurts so that they could go make the playoffs, right? Like I think it's that far.
00:34:56
No, but you know what's after week, too? What's your biggest reaction? Our overreaction? Overreaction.
00:35:04
Maybe the Bills are legit.
00:35:07
Maybe Josh Allen.
00:35:09
After the two games that he's had, I've kind of undersold the Bills because there they're the Bills.
00:35:15
But you know Sean McDermott the way that he has built really a team like Ron Rivera had at the Carolina Panthers? Look, maybe Josh Allen is better than we thought. He waas.
00:35:28
Yeah, My biggest thing with Josh is, um, Dolphins and Jets.
00:35:32
I just can't I can't.
00:35:34
I can't.
00:35:35
Uh, not just yet, but that's a Yeah, like I just But at the same time, though, like Sean McDermott.
00:35:45
Man, I'm talking about a great coach, and this is why guys like when they get drafted, especially quarterbacks.
00:35:52
Where you go, your situation matters like if I was Josh Rosen, for example, who I I still feel like, hasn't been given a fair shake.
00:36:01
I would be I would have been like, you know, bump sign into the the Bucks on the practice squad.
00:36:08
Get me the Pittsburgh like, find a way.
00:36:11
Like get me to Pittsburgh because their futures quarterback situation looks rough as we saw last year, and that doesn't seem like that's been addressed.
00:36:19
Like give me to Pittsburgh, a stable situation where I could just game manage and learn like that's where I thought the perfect scenario with some of my friends that are Steelers fans don't like that, but that's just, you know me.
00:36:30
I don't like Sam Donald.
00:36:31
Terrible situation.
00:36:32
Because Lord have mercy.
00:36:33
The Jets are a Dumpster fire.
00:36:35
So, um, and he's with Adam Gays.
00:36:38
And he's with Adam.
00:36:39
Gays who? Look, I don't know how some guys continue to be recycled in like the coaching cycle in the NFL.
00:36:45
Like Jeff Fisher was another one where I was like, Alright, guys like way have to stop at some point.
00:36:50
We have to be done with Jeff Fisher.
00:36:53
Um, and Adam gazes another one like I don't know how you give him another job after this, um, always in the A F C East.
00:37:01
Always.
00:37:02
Exactly.
00:37:03
Um, so yeah, he'll be.
00:37:05
Yeah.
00:37:06
Yeah.
00:37:07
Well, that's a good one.
00:37:08
I think that, like I said, I haven't heard anything crazier than hurts.
00:37:12
Needs to start so we could lead them to the playoffs.
00:37:13
Yet that's that's a different one.
00:37:15
That, uh But, hey, you know, I mean, it is what it is.
00:37:20
I guess, Um, you got ta.
00:37:24
Actually, I'm gonna talk later, Actually.
00:37:25
Can't even tell you because I'm gonna spoil it for later in the show.
00:37:29
So I can't tell you, unfortunately, but there's a trade.
00:37:31
No one's talking about two trades that took place in the off season.
00:37:34
I'm sure you could guess that has something to the receivers.
00:37:36
And you've got the teams who got the receivers playing really well in the teams who gave up the receivers.
00:37:41
Not so much, but that's just a little teaser going forward for those watching to make sure you stay tuned.
00:37:47
All right, so last week had someone on.
00:37:51
She's a huge Ohio State fan, and so it was really excited.
00:37:54
We were waiting on the news because it didn't come out.
00:37:57
I didn't like break too like Wednesday morning.
00:37:59
And of course, we did the show Tuesday night, but we were waiting on the news to break because we knew it was gonna happen.
00:38:05
It's just a matter of when about the big team coming back to football.
00:38:08
Um, that decision is kind of iffy to me, Joe.
00:38:10
Honestly, I'm not really I'm not really sure how I feel about it.
00:38:16
Um, especially given everything is going on.
00:38:19
I don't even think anyone should be playing period with Kobe.
00:38:22
But you know, the Big 10.
00:38:25
Good decision.
00:38:26
Bad decision.
00:38:27
Do you like kind of what they're going? It's faras eight games when they're trying to start.
00:38:30
Is it gonna work like, where you at with that? I do like their concept of the championship Saturday, Where Teams One through 14 or one of those seven games, Right? I love that this consolation ladder fantasy football style one weekend, but they're not giving themselves enough room here.
00:38:51
We're already seeing with the A C C between NC State, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame that you're gonna have games that are postponed or canceled or shuffled or moved around the A. C.
00:39:03
C was able to put three weeks into their schedule as a buffer.
00:39:07
The Big 10 is going to try to play eight games and eight weeks.
00:39:09
I I just don't see how they're gonna be able to pull that off. Absolutely.
00:39:13
And that's the big thing to even with the A C C.
00:39:16
Given those three weeks Buffer, there's still some scheduling conflicts.
00:39:19
I think.
00:39:20
Yeah, you're seeing Virginia Tech.
00:39:22
You know, even this week may not be able to play NC State in Carolina with two weeks off in a row through no fault of their own.
00:39:28
And Virginia, you know, had their season kind of scrambled around.
00:39:32
So and I think you guys have mentioned even on the radio someone Notre Dame, they're supposed to play somebody and there's some stuff there.
00:39:40
They might not even be able play it all.
00:39:41
Yeah, they postponed their game with Wake Forest on Saturday, already on dear both off next weekend.
00:39:48
But the way that the contact tracing rules worked with their protocols, it's a 14 day quarantine that they can't practice for 14 days.
00:39:56
The players who are affected in NC state said earlier this year that they had 60 players out 60 Good practice.
00:40:04
Yeah, no you can't.
00:40:06
You can't effectively prepare.
00:40:08
I don't have any players you have.
00:40:09
You can effectively prepare for a college football game with 60 guys out.
00:40:13
That's just not possible.
00:40:15
My biggest thing with the Big Ten's decision is it almost feels like, you know, you ever been in the grocery store and, like Mom is telling little Timmy like, Stop crying.
00:40:24
You're not getting the candy bar and Timmy just cries and cries.
00:40:27
And eventually, moms like, All right, I need to be quiet.
00:40:29
Here's a candy bar.
00:40:30
Um, it kind of feels that way.
00:40:32
You know, the Big 10 said, Hey, we're not doing this decisions not being revisited.
00:40:37
Oh, well, let's petition and let's argue and let's cry and let's sue.
00:40:42
And now all of a sudden, Oh, we found out something new that now we can play.
00:40:47
Um, what, like I I just you know, that's just the way our society is.
00:40:51
You know, if you cry enough, I guess you get what you want and, you know, for me, it's it's more.
00:40:56
It's less about the kids want to play.
00:40:59
I get it.
00:41:00
But like if I goto Ohio State, I'm a kid, right and Let's say I live in an apartment and Justin Fields and I see each other at cookout.
00:41:06
Let's just say they test three days a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday before they go to the game and on Sunday me and just feel see each other cookout with your great game and dap him up.
00:41:17
All of a sudden, he gets tested on Monday, finds out he has cove it.
00:41:19
Now I'm not getting tested, but now I find out I've got co vid.
00:41:22
I go home.
00:41:23
I don't find I've got Kobe.
00:41:24
So I go home and give it to my grandmother.
00:41:26
And I didn't even care if they play in the first place.
00:41:28
Like that's the kind of stuff, the risk that I don't know if anyone's really thinking about that, just kind of like makes me IFI.
00:41:34
And of course, my biggest saying on this is sports is a product of a functioning society, and in so many ways, our society is not functioning like it's supposed Thio, Um, and so I'm just like, yeah, I'm just If you man, I I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't trust it.
00:41:51
I don't trust it and you know, it's all about the money, I guess.
00:41:54
Yeah, I think the Big 10 saw the A.
00:41:57
C C play.
00:41:58
They saw the Big 12 play, Onda said.
00:42:01
Well, why can't they're playing? Why can't we play? And Ohio State, I think in particular, I think a lot of this is I hate to say it, but to get Ohio State into the playoffs, you know like they're gonna play.
00:42:15
I'll be interested to see how many games they're able to get off in eight and eight weeks.
00:42:18
Even if it's five, maybe you say, Well, you know Justin Fields, they belong.
00:42:25
I mean, it's gonna be such a strange playoff.
00:42:29
Um, that being said, I respect what the colleges air doing in the testing.
00:42:38
It seems they've backed themselves into a bubble by having to throw the kids off campus, the regular students off campus.
00:42:46
But travel Kevin, I mean, you think about travel.
00:42:49
I mean, like, the scenario you gave was great and it's there, at least play.
00:42:55
The players are not being paid in like the NFL's being paid.
00:42:59
The NFL gave their players the option of opting out and still paying them, not the case here in college football.
00:43:06
And quite frankly, the gig is up on amateur sports, Right? If we hadn't figured it out before, it's crystal clear. Now.
00:43:15
College football exists not only to make money for the schools, for the athletic departments, but for these schools because they're sitting here going well, what do we have if we don't have football? How do we appeal two students to come join us every Saturday or join us at the high price every every semester? So it does feel a little bit dirty.
00:43:38
I wish everyone would just kind of admit like a Big 10 said, Hey, we watched you play last week and we really think Ohio State should be in the playoff.
00:43:45
If they said that, I would have more respect for them. Exactly.
00:43:50
Exactly.
00:43:51
Yeah, It's like just say it, man at the end of the day, like look, it's about making this money and that's so and that Z Okay, if that's what we're in the business of doing.
00:43:58
Of course, when you say it out loud, now you have to take the repercussions of whatever that means.
00:44:03
But I mean, we all know what it is just to stop with this with, uh, Yeah, I'm gonna get upset if I talk about it so well, I do think part of it is if you've worked at something and you're a player and you've put in the practice time and the workouts and the dedication to it particularly if you're a senior, you know? Hey, the system is screwed up.
00:44:25
Don't get me wrong, but you still did work for that opportunity.
00:44:29
So I do respect the schools for taking the measures they are right now to give those players and opportunity, but that being said there giving them that opportunity because it means something to their bottom line.
00:44:44
The bottom line? That's right.
00:44:46
That's right.
00:44:47
Um, here with Joe Giulio from 99 the fan and the O. G. 3 to 6.
00:44:52
Every afternoon, y'all go check it out.
00:44:54
Um, Joe A C. C.
00:44:56
Is rolling, I guess.
00:44:58
Um, is there any worry that you might have or like, is there any worry around the SEC of maybe not finishing this season? I think what they'll try to do is play as many conference games as they can.
00:45:11
I think they've probably are starting to give up on the concept of everyone playing 10 conference games.
00:45:17
As you see the ripple effect from Notre Dame, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech, NC State is still not 100% go this week.
00:45:28
It's interesting because there's six or seven teams that are off next weekend, and you could actually finagle to schedule a little bit.
00:45:35
Kevin and I think you'll probably see something like that happened just to try to get as many games and as possible.
00:45:42
Because again, remember, this is about Clemson or Notre Dame hack, maybe Carolina Miami getting to the playoff.
00:45:51
And if you played, say, eight games, that's what they normally play that I don't see how people could complain if they were able to get eight conference games and I give the A C C credit for building in the week weekends without games, three of them that they did in order to give themselves the best chance to play.
00:46:09
I don't like the non conference game.
00:46:12
You might see some of those go away because they'll say, Hey, Virginia Tech, if you can't play this weekend, we need that Liberty weekend in November.
00:46:21
We did take that off your schedule and there won't be anything but things I could do about that.
00:46:25
Absolutely, Absolutely.
00:46:27
Um, in the A c C.
00:46:30
Since we're still on a C C.
00:46:31
Football, let's, um, outside of the obvious, right? Trevor Lawrence.
00:46:35
If you had to find someone and we'll even say, Sam, how old to take him out as well? If you had to find someone, you're like, Alright, this guy, you know, he could sneak into this house and discussion in the A C.
00:46:47
C.
00:46:48
So far, two weeks.
00:46:49
There's a lot of teams, a lot of games to play, like better played, but just looking, you know, you're like, Oh, he's kind of jumping off the screen.
00:46:54
Who's that guy in the A C C.
00:46:57
There's probably two of them.
00:46:58
Dear King at Miami.
00:47:00
I mean, the numbers he put up at Houston.
00:47:02
We're better than pretty much any quarterback you can think of between running and throwing for touchdowns and look.
00:47:09
Last week he had a breakout performance against Louisville for people who may not have been familiar with his work in the American Athletic Conference in Houston.
00:47:17
And then any time you talk about Heisman and anytime their success by the Notre Dame quarterback.
00:47:21
You know it's been a while in a while, but I still think Ian book with the way that he's capable of playing.
00:47:30
Not sure he has the weapons that Sam Howell has or Trevor Lawrence has.
00:47:35
Um, but that position for that school tends to get itself attention, especially if they're eight No.
00:47:43
Nine and no and into the Carolina or cleansing games.
00:47:46
Do you think that Carolina see, I'm like Tar Heels fan, especially basketball, and when they're good at football, I'll tune in.
00:47:54
But do you think they actually really have a legitimate shot? Or do you think it's like they're ranked? It's kind, a little bit, just a lot of the hyped, the Mac Brown stuff, that kind of good recruiting.
00:48:04
But do they really actually have a chance to like, you know, knock off Clemson and winning a C C title? Or is it kind of one of the things that they're probably a year, maybe two years away? So I'll take this in two parts for you? I think they have a legitimate They had a legitimate chance to start 19, against the schedule they had you take away.
00:48:24
Now the Charlotte game.
00:48:26
Hopefully, we'll play those other games.
00:48:28
I don't see any reason why they can't go into that Notre Dame game now within eight. No record.
00:48:34
I don't see any reason why I can't beat Notre Dame.
00:48:36
They probably won't.
00:48:37
Notre Dame has a really good defensive on offensive line.
00:48:40
That's really where Notre Dame get Some of these A C C schools not named Clemson is they have NFL fronts, and most of Carolina does not.
00:48:48
They have an NFL quarterback.
00:48:50
They have good skill players.
00:48:51
They don't have an NFL offensive line or even one.
00:48:55
That being said, it would not surprise me if Carolina ended up in the A C C championship game.
00:49:02
But things we've learned from NC State.
00:49:04
When you play Clemson close and you get their attention, you get the fastball the next year.
00:49:10
So Carolina got prevention last year.
00:49:14
They probably should have beaten Clemson last year.
00:49:18
Now, this would be the second time Clemson sees them.
00:49:21
And then you're going.
00:49:23
Oh, this happened to pit.
00:49:25
This happened Syracuse.
00:49:26
This has happened a couple of times where a team either beats Clemson or plays them close and everybody the next year is like, Oh, Syracuse number one example.
00:49:34
Right? And you're going all of a sudden, it's 56 3, and you're going.
00:49:39
Well, remember last year it was close? Yeah.
00:49:42
Yeah, on.
00:49:44
That's actually that's a great point.
00:49:46
Like, I think didn't happen like that.
00:49:47
Shawn Watson team with state like they should be available.
00:49:53
It's a food exactly like And that was a wrap on that, Um, that is that is interesting.
00:49:59
Um, is there any truth we're going to switch gears now to just kind of the broader spectrum.
00:50:04
Is there any truth that, like, I read somewhere that, like the Pac 12 might think about returning now and like the MEAC like, Is that true to this? Because it seems weird that now the Big 10 decides.
00:50:16
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna renege here, and we're gonna, um we're gonna play.
00:50:20
And now Oh, you know what? You I guess we can play to impact.
00:50:24
I was like, Oh, you know, the air quality is not good, but I guess we can play to, uh, like, is there any truth to that, or am I just like reading? Is this all just kind of like, fake news? They're trying to scramble the Pac 12 Thio safely, try to play, and if they can pull it off, that would be great.
00:50:41
It's getting late.
00:50:42
Obviously, they don't have an obvious national contender, either.
00:50:47
I would love for all of the FCS or one double A.
00:50:50
Programs to just play in the spring have their championship.
00:50:54
I would watch the hell out of that, Kevin in the, you know, in the fall when you're competing with the F B s or one A, it doesn't get as much attention.
00:51:03
But they play good football on that level.
00:51:05
And if they did it in the spring, I really would I after the March madness or whatever will be this year, you know? Yeah, I would definitely pay attention to it might be like June madness at this point.
00:51:19
Yeah, um, if they let all 300, GTO month extra***ant, that would be interesting.
00:51:27
But I'm all for it.
00:51:28
Looked more basketball better for me.
00:51:29
The more kids three amount of kids who get drafted and get high stocks get paid off it like you know what? They end up earning about what they do in the tournament.
00:51:38
The more March madness moments.
00:51:39
I It hurt me to miss that this past year.
00:51:42
Um, and I'm four of the 353 e.
00:51:46
I love to see it.
00:51:47
Why not, like, get them all in there? Let's go.
00:51:50
Like you want to know who is really the best.
00:51:52
Put him up, everybody.
00:51:53
Everybody in high school.
00:51:55
Basketball style. Yep, yep. Absolutely.
00:51:57
Um you think cultural is gonna finish? I I feel like at this point, they're gonna do everything just like a baseball has kind of been like, all right? Yeah.
00:52:04
Like, don't panic.
00:52:06
We'll just figure it out.
00:52:08
You think that college football is gonna be like, Yeah, we're probably gonna get through an entire season.
00:52:11
Maybe it's Asterix, maybe, Like, you know, someone in the national championship is 11 and someone else is is, you know, nine.
00:52:20
Yeah, but hey, like, if there's a sec, there might be an 18 to 73 SEC team there.
00:52:26
You never know? Yep.
00:52:28
But I do think they're gonna finish.
00:52:30
Um, if they were to not finish, what do you think it would take? Like what would have toe happen for all of college football? To be like, Yep, we're done.
00:52:43
I think I have an answer.
00:52:44
I think I might know your answer, but I want to hear what you have to say.
00:52:49
Obviously, worst case scenario would be, you know, mhm.
00:52:57
You would hate for someone to actually get Cove.
00:52:59
It had a pre existing condition and lose their life, you know, and that the odds are somewhat remote in terms of if you have the testing standards and can identify some of the physical problems beforehand.
00:53:15
But a lot of times with pre existing conditions, especially when they're 18 and 19 and 20.
00:53:21
And they're and they're healthy.
00:53:23
These are things you can identify.
00:53:25
Um, Michael Ojo, Florida State player who was playing, you know, uh, graduate in four states, playing professionally overseas coke tested positive, covert, had covet and eventually died from cove it because he had an enlarged heart and some other issues that they didn't know about S O to me.
00:53:43
Yeah, that's that works.
00:53:45
Yeah, right.
00:53:47
Yeah, And I didn't even think about that.
00:53:49
That just got real somber.
00:53:51
Um, I was thinking more along the lines, e.
00:53:57
I was thinking more along the lines of like, you know, Alabama is like Oh, snap, Huge outbreak.
00:54:03
Alabama and Clemson like, Oh, we can't play college ball like, you know, what if Alabama and Clemson in Wayne trying to see this like, let's be real here If it comes to the point where George, where we have to rely on Georgia or Florida like you know nothing against those programs but at the end of the day, cream of the crop I don't want to see George Averse North Carolina national championship.
00:54:23
I you know, I want to see Alabama.
00:54:25
That's just that's just how I feel.
00:54:27
So, like, I feel like, you know, one of those things where Clemson can't get enough games and where something crazy happens.
00:54:32
They can't enough games in now.
00:54:33
And then Alabama can, either as a A and I were just you know what, it's too.
00:54:37
And ask to be too risky at this point.
00:54:39
Um, eso I mean, that's pretty much That's pretty much all I had.
00:54:43
I do want us one.
00:54:44
Thank you for coming.
00:54:46
Sure.
00:54:47
Joining.
00:54:48
I know you. You know, you guys work hard on the radio.
00:54:50
I wish.
00:54:51
I mean, you gotta tell me how I can get in the studio with y'all and talk sport because I love listening to you all, man.
00:54:57
Um, also, we'll have you up there, man.
00:55:00
No, No problems.
00:55:01
Students were allowed that right now it's so we're not We're not allowed to have people into the studio.
00:55:07
We're not allowed to be in the same studio that Adam Gold uses before our show, which we normally would dio.
00:55:14
So we're all spread out and there's only let's say there's probably 10 people in the building if that and normally it's, you know, four or five times that.
00:55:24
So it's interesting.
00:55:25
I keep seeing the same four or five people for the last, you know, four or five months.
00:55:31
And then I went to the N. C.
00:55:32
State game on Saturday night, and I was like, 00 yeah, I know, I know that person.
00:55:37
So it was kind of completely different for me, but yeah, Kevin, once we're allowed to have people out there, would love to have you come up and just see what's going on around there and and keep up the good work here, man, like this is a nice set up that you have here.
00:55:52
I didn't know what you wanted to talk about tonight.
00:55:56
I love the MBA, so I'm glad we got the Yeah, Obvious.
00:56:00
Doesn't always like the Yeah, see, Yeah.
00:56:03
I definitely also would love to have, like, the both of you up here.
00:56:06
Like I mean, I just really don't, like, listen to the radio, because it ah, lot of it starts to become the same.
00:56:13
Um, you know that the new shows that came out on the ESPN lineup, right? You got like, Keyshawn J and Zubin like they promoted that as like, you know, these guys played professionally.
00:56:25
They're going to give us stories and, like the insights like those, Like, it's the same thing that I got from everyone else.
00:56:30
Like, I just can't so like you guys because you're also more localized and I'm learning stuff, especially in college football.
00:56:37
I had no idea on.
00:56:38
Do you guys have Bomani Jones? That's probably the smartest person I've ever like ever heard.
00:56:43
Listen, if you if you ever want to feel stupid, just have a conversation with Bo about really any topic but Texas football, he knows fax about Texas football like I'm sitting here going, there's no way you look that up in the last three years, right? And he knew, like, scores and records and some stuff from Texas football from, like, 07 And I'm sitting here going.
00:57:10
This is not the championship here, Kevin.
00:57:12
This is like, Hey, just has this recall that I'm going.
00:57:18
Well, well, yeah.
00:57:20
I mean, yeah, we're lucky to have him every week for sure.
00:57:24
Yeah, he retains information like nobody I've ever seen. Ever.
00:57:28
So, like, you know, I listened to his podcast.
00:57:30
I like it a lot.
00:57:31
I've been trying to tweet at him.
00:57:33
I know he likes to snap clap back at people on Twitter.
00:57:35
Yeah, I'm just like, Yo, Bowman, let me get you on the show.
00:57:38
Like I'm just, like, constantly threatened.
00:57:39
He just will not respond to me at all, so I got to just keep working on that, But there you go.
00:57:44
But yeah.
00:57:45
National arguer. Yeah, maybe.
00:57:47
Yeah, exactly. I should be like, you know what? Like you're wrong.
00:57:49
And maybe then he'll be like, Oh, what's up? Like you want to argue about it on the show.
00:57:52
And I was like, Yes, come on and then not argue at all.
00:57:55
But But, you know, man I greatly appreciate you coming.
00:57:58
Um, I will be staying tuned and I'll be in touch.
00:58:01
I love to have you guys come on some or it's great.
00:58:03
I'm just working hard, man.
00:58:05
I'm gonna listen tomorrow because I'm gonna listen for that.
00:58:07
Yeah, I was about, you know, check out the podcast.
00:58:10
Like e appreciate it, man.
00:58:13
Appreciate it.
00:58:14
So, Joe, man, you know, enjoy the rest of your night.
00:58:16
Thank you again for coming on, but I will talk to you, my friend.
00:58:21
You got Thank you, Kevin.
00:58:22
Yes, sir. Thank you.
00:58:24
That was Joe Giulio of the O.
00:58:27
G.
00:58:28
Nine other thing, that was a great conversation.
00:58:29
See, the thing about him is you know, he's so in tune to like, college football in college sports.
00:58:38
Like and so I listen to the radio show and, you know, I just you know, like what I see, you know? So, um, I like what I hear.
00:58:48
And they're different, you know? So definitely if you're in the Raleigh, you are the triangle, you know, 99.
00:58:54
9326 d o g.
00:58:57
Even if you're tuning in when you're going home from work, I I commute a lot like during work, so I'm always in the car radios on.
00:59:05
So I enjoy listening to them Really smart guys.
00:59:09
So, uh, can we thank him for that? So we're going to wrap it up with one last thing, Which is the one thing that nobody is talking about, Which is the trades of Stefon Diggs in Diatta Hawk.
00:59:28
Why is nobody talking about him? Well, obviously, for one, they happened a while ago.
00:59:32
But look, let's just look at the results here, okay? DeAndre Hopkins in a 20 24th round pick were traded to the Arizona Cardinals for David Johnson, 20 22nd in the 2021 4th.
00:59:51
Not even a first.
00:59:53
Um, David Johnson is not.
00:59:54
This is the David Johnson who in his second year had 2000 total yards.
00:59:59
Um, and, you know, got that contract.
01:00:02
And he was like, he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go get 1000 passing.
01:00:05
1000 Russian 1000 receiving 1000 Russian, and then he got hurt.
01:00:08
Hasn't been healthy sense, but that's that.
01:00:12
Ain't that David Johnson I was three years ago, right? DeAndre Hopkins.
01:00:19
You could argue the best receiver of football.
01:00:21
Definitely the best hands standing argument.
01:00:25
And now Houston looks like yo, like, what are we going to do on offense? Like, you know, having a bunch of speed guys cooks Fuller.
01:00:33
Still, that's great.
01:00:34
But you need somebody who can win these one on one who is always open even when they're covered.
01:00:39
And they don't have that.
01:00:40
You still don't have offensive line.
01:00:42
Is that great? And Watson? I mean, while you look at the Cardinals, you, Carla Murray, is like, Look, man, I thought the Hopkins where he ain't open, I might throw it the fits.
01:00:50
And at the end of the day, I can scramble around.
01:00:52
This offense is dynamic, and then you wanna he's like, Oh, well, one player doesn't change that.
01:01:00
Well, maybe it does, you know, because the Vikings traders to find gigs in the 2027 return.
01:01:05
They got a 20 21st, a 20 25th, a 20 26th and the 2021 4th.
01:01:12
So not only did they get you know what Houston got.
01:01:16
They got even Mawr for Diggs, who is not considered as greatest Hopkins.
01:01:21
But you mean to me he's elite in his own right.
01:01:25
And you will look at the Vikings offense in two games.
01:01:28
Yeah, You know, you look at the final score.
01:01:30
They lost the Packers like 43 34.
01:01:32
But if you're if you're being honest, like they didn't start scoring.
01:01:34
So it was like, you know, 20 something to six, right? Like it was it was a blowout.
01:01:40
And then they just started scoring and going back and forth.
01:01:44
I mean, you saw him against the causing the offense, look bad.
01:01:46
Offensive line is still suspect.
01:01:48
They got They only got Dalvin Cook and their series of young.
01:01:51
Their defense is young, but again, the offense looks bad and Kurt looks bad right now without digs, while Josh Allen over here looks like as Joe Giulio talked about giving M v P candidate right now, Josh Allen, in two games, is 57 for 81 which, by the way, means he's throwing 40.
01:02:07
5 times a game.
01:02:08
Anyone who says that you're gonna throw it with Josh Allen 40.
01:02:10
5 times you're not setting yourself up for success.
01:02:15
That's a 70% clip.
01:02:17
His 729 passing yards that's over 350 per game, six touchdowns and no pics.
01:02:25
Stefan ****s has 16 catches, 239 yards and a touchdown.
01:02:28
Stefon Diggs is responsible for 28% of Allen's completion percentage is last year, his most targeted guy was Kobe's.
01:02:39
You go from Cole Beasley to Stefon Diggs, a route running savant like specialists, and you see the difference between the Bills offense.
01:02:47
Last year, the Bills were defense, defense and the offense.
01:02:51
Just don't lose this.
01:02:52
The game. Get a driver, too.
01:02:54
We'll help you do the rest.
01:02:57
And last year the Vikings offense was like, Yeah, we're gonna put up points defense.
01:03:01
Just don't give up 40 now The reason the Vikings look so bad is because their defense isn't the type of defense to carry them like they were three years ago.
01:03:13
And the offense can't go put up points while the Bills offense is putting up points and the defense is still, you know, doing what they do.
01:03:24
Same thing, cardinal.
01:03:25
So you can say what you want and I've always been one, a believer that the team who gets the best player wins the trade right.
01:03:34
The Vikings trade that one still up in the air, right? Like, you know, who do these pics turn into because, you know, people could say digs the diva, his cryptic tweet stuff like that.
01:03:45
Maybe it was best for them.
01:03:46
Just gonna cut ways.
01:03:47
But the end of the day digs didn't just help.
01:03:49
That the the offense, the team, um, cousins.
01:03:52
He also helped feeling you have tow dealings.
01:03:57
Good.
01:03:58
I don't think he's the deep threat like that.
01:03:59
Digs would have been like you had to have two safeties, two guys on one or the other which just help the other eat.
01:04:05
And they don't have that now.
01:04:06
And, you know, if you're defending Minnesota, there are a lot easier to defend now because you only have to worry about dealing.
01:04:13
Yeah, they've got some guys who were young that come to their own.
01:04:15
But right now, I'm not worried about young guys that's coming to their own.
01:04:20
So, um so yeah, guys, that's something no one's talking about.
01:04:25
And that digs and Hopkins and I feel like the guys who got the receive releasing the time being one, the trade.
01:04:36
And with that, y'all that's the bottom line, is your boy.
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01:04:42
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I want to talk about.
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It's gonna be a great you know. Great show.
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Great episode. We've got Joe Giulio.
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Like I said, radio personality.
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He's coming on about 25 ish minutes.
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Um, But before we even get to that, we're gonna talk some.
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Brees and Brady, they're falling off.
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They're kind of, you know, they're regressing, but they're aggressive on two different rates or two different ways.
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I'll explain that.
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We're gonna talk Thio, talk to Julia.
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We're gonna do a lot in the college football.
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Last week, we talked with Maggie about some college football.
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We're gonna go dive a lot deeper with Joe because he's really, like, all about that stuff.
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And then Thio end the show.
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I'm going to tell you something that nobody is talking about.
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Um, but I think it's very important huge this NFL season and has a lot to do with what we're seeing on the football field.
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So before we do that, though, we gotta talk.
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LeBron James? Yeah.
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Last time you talked, LeBron Kevin, You know, you were really hard on them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. Well, let's relax.
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Let's relax. Um, um I'm gonna be hard on them.
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No, I just I like this thing called accountability.
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I like holding people accountable.
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I like making sure that people are very consistent with, um their words.
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Okay, so let me give you the back story, right? So recently the polls just came out.
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LeBron Jr Jonah's onstage Campo one M v p.
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85 1st place votes.
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The other 16 went to LeBron James.
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James Harden did not get any votes, but that was the top.
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Well, I guess you know that that was the top three.
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Alright, So LeBron finished second.
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So, of course, because it wouldn't be newsworthy.
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Otherwise, off course, people had to ask LeBron James about his thoughts and his feelings about coming second in the M v P right now.
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First, the fact that LeBron James is even being asked about this M v p.
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Let me move my notes in front of me off the second that LeBron's even being asked about how he feels about coming in second tells you all you need to know, right? Like when you ask when people ask James Harden like, Oh, you know, what do you feel about your not getting first right? You know, because they know he's gonna be upset because they know he probably deserved to win because he always, you know, is deserving to win M v p.
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Right, LeBron, Same way Eso that already tells you number one.
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The fact that people care how he feels about the fact that he didn't actually.
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When tells you one thing, Okay, Now, actually, you know what? Let's go into the pressure.
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I'm gonna play a sound clip for you guys.
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Once I pull it up, I'm gonna play a sound clip for you guys of LeBron's presser When he was asked, you know, kind of he, like, saw the results.
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And, um, just listen to what LeBron had to say one of four times, But now you come in second four times.
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What's that feeling like for you? And what do you think of the with? **** me off? Not truly.
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It has my true answer.
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Um, it ****ed me off because out of 101 polls, I got 16 1st 1st place votes.
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Uh, doesn't **** me off or anything.
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You know, I'm not saying that, you know, when it wasn't deserving of the M v. P.
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Um right.
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That ****ed me off on.
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I finished second a lot in my career, either From championship now four times of the M v p No.
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Like I said, I never never came into this league.
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Sound to me.
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B M v P O r.
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Be a champion of always that You wanna get better and better every single day on those things that take care of herself.
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Something that's just out of my hands.
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Some things you can't control.
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Well, you ****ed me off on.
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Um, do you feel like the M.
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V P criteria is something that rewards the most valuable player in the league? Thank you.
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I don't know.
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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit up here and talk about what criteria should be over.
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It is Well, this changed over the years.
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I've got into the league.
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I know that.
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You know, it's just changed.
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It's changed a lot.
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Sometimes this you know, the best player on the best team.
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Sometimes it's the guy with the best season statistically, uh, sometimes, uh, it has changed over courses over the course of my career.
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You know? You don't know.
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You don't know.
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But you know, Don has had a hell of a season high deficit.
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So, yes.
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So that was LeBron's reaction.
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You know, he was asked a couple questions regarding the M V P, you know, and and quote it ****ed him off.
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He was ****ed off.
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Um, he also did go on to say that he doesn't really care, you know, income in the league to win MVPs.
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And you know, he in that specific moment he was like, Oh, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to my room, drinks and wine and sleep very, very well.
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Um, you know, so don't get it twisted.
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These are his words.
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Don't get it twisted, you know? But, you know, I'm fine.
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Um Okay.
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Well, ah, before I say the next thing, one thing I've always had.
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So I used to work with kids, and I used to lead, like, the staff, you know, teach them how to lead a group of kids, you know? And, you know, they are their their authority.
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Figure first and friend later.
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And I said when you get to the point where you have to express to them that you're in charge, that's when you know that you're no longer in charge, so yeah, when I have to sit there and try to convince you I'm not mad and I have to double down and triple down on it Or like you know, that it doesn't bother me or whatever.
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That's kind of when we know that, yeah, it does bother you.
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And here's the thing like, That's okay.
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Like I don't understand why it's such a big deal for something like the M V P Award to bother you like everyone's always like, you know, just just like that.
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Like passive aggressive thing that people do, just like human beings in general do where they're just like, Oh, you know, like I'm just saying, like I'm not mad about it doesn't bother me.
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I'm just saying like, Well, you know, it was you enough because you felt that you had to say it.
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So it does bother you, and that's okay to say it bothers you.
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I don't think that it helps anyone for us to be dishonest about how it makes us feel.
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Um, so it's okay to say, Yeah, that bothers me like and yeah, he said it ****ed me off.
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But e think it's still, you know, makes him upset and that's fine.
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I think it's not just this year.
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He said that what made him the most man was that he only got 16 out of 101 1st place votes.
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Okay, well, here's my thing.
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If you believe that, I don't buy that 1st 2nd like, Oh, it's not.
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The fact that I lost is the fact that I only got 16 people for 16 1st place votes.
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Well, if you're okay with the fact that you lost and you're okay with the fact that people thought that somebody deserved it more than you.
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Okay, Why does it matter how many, Right? Like if you we're okay that you lost.
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And that means you're okay.
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Conceding the fact that Yannis deserved it more than you.
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All right, whether you got 16 out of 101 or whether you got 49 out of 101 it doesn't matter because he's still got more first place votes.
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And if the result is the same, how you got the result in this case does not matter. Like I know.
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Like you talk about things like, Oh, you know, you can't let the result justify the means, right? But if you are honest, deserves it over LeBron.
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Why does it matter whether if 101 people feel the way that that if they feel that way, then therefore that's the way it's going to go If you're upset with the amount, I mean, the amount doesn't matter like you got you got chosen over you Doesn't matter the amount, so it doesn't matter.
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And if you're okay with, it's not that he won.
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If you're okay with him winning, then he was.
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Then he wins.
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And that's all that it really is.
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That's the only thing that that number matters like you're like, Oh, well, I'd rather if he's gonna win, it should be closer.
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Well, it's not a matter of like a point system.
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Like if I have to vote, either choose him or I choose you.
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Okay, so is one of the other.
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Just because you only got 16 votes to his 85 doesn't mean he won by like doesn't mean he was this much more than M v P than you.
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This just means that 85 people felt him 16 thought you That's it.
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That's it.
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Like so It's okay for that to be the But what bothers you? You can say, man, I'm a small forward.
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I led the league and assist.
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This year, nobody's doing that.
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Why am I not winning the MVP? It's okay.
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Say it. Be honest.
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Be honest, right? Like you don't have to be the guy who just doesn't care about anything and just like, you know, what's it roll? You don't have to be that guy.
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It's okay to be like, Hey, I play in the professional sports and I care about this stuff because you really have paid to care.
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Now here's one thing he did say that I, like 100% agree with.
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I know I've been hard, LeBron, but this is one thing that he said He also implied that the MVPs becoming a lot about storylines.
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You know, people want a good story as opposed to watching professional basketball.
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I think that he's absolutely right and that's with every sport, right? The M V P is always like the best story.
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Think about it.
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Russell Wilson.
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I mean, Russell's Russell Westbrook average a triple double after Kevin Durant left him high and dry like lead thunder the playoffs like M v P.
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Why? Because it's a good story.
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I mean, he also, you know, you still have to put up numbers, but that's it's the story, right? Um, James Harden.
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How many second places did he get in a row? Finally, you know, it's a story.
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He's doing ridiculous stuff.
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Averaging 30 points, 39 9 type stuff.
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Um, what else in the in the NFL, you know, Lamar Jackson.
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You know, all he's been talked about? Oh, he's just He's just he's really a running back, blah blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Does he do ball out? Boom.
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Patrick Mahomes, like second year, first year, starting like he's doing amazing stuff.
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Throwing no look passes, storyline.
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The story like, Where is the media? Where are people's attention? Where is it? Gravitating.
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That's what we're going to give the M V P to an all these sports.
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That's exact that so and I'm 100% with that.
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I don't think it's just basketball.
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I mean, I don't get me wrong.
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Derrick Rose scoring 50 points in a game his career high in Minnesota.
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Um, after you know, after all those injuries isn't gonna win him MVP.
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That's a great story line.
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But you also still have to, you know, put up numbers.
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So it's not all about the storyline, but the storyline has a you know, if me and my friend average the same amount of points, Same man assists, rebounds.
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Still like if our numbers are exactly the same.
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But he came back from an A C L injury last year and one the year before that.
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So he's got to a C l injuries and back to back years and he comes back, he's gonna win M v p over me because the storyline is better.
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Look what he came back from.
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Look what he had to endure twice.
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So, yes, I absolutely agree that storylines do matter.
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They matter a lot, Which is why when you're betting on things, y'all you know, you know you wanna make bets, think about the storylines.
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Football.
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Kyler Murray.
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Yeah, that's probably going to repeat that.
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Besides the fact that yeah, you know, he's balling out.
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You know, this will be that's two years in a row that second year quarterbacks have one EVP or I'm sorry.
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Second, your yeah, second year quarterbacks of one m V, P and Homes in Lamar Jackson, Nacala Murray or you Go Russell Wilson, who for the last Forever, especially for the last two years, has gotten a lot of traction.
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He's underrated.
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Now he's finally getting the respect he wants.
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He's balling out, he can't miss.
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He's on fire.
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Win, M v p.
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You know, storylines, right? Storylines.
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So, um I mean, I just I know it seems like I'm I'm being hard on LeBron.
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I'm getting down on them a little bit, like, I promise you, I don't hate LeBron and no stretch of the imagination because I know what's gonna happen.
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I know that people are going to attack me for coming at him, right? Like like anything you say bad about LeBron.
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It's always one thing.
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If you say something great about Kevin Durant, it's a slight of LeBron.
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That's just the way it goes.
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I look, I'm just saying, if you care, you can say you care.
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We want honesty out of our athletes.
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I know that.
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Then when they're honest, we you know, we chew him up and spit him out.
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But we want honesty from our athletes, so I'll be honest.
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LeBron be honest.
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That's my biggest thing.
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Honestly, is huge for me when it comes to my personal relationships, whether it's romantic or just friendships or whatever.
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Honesty is huge.
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I don't think you're being honest about you know, your intentions with the whole protest ing thing.
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The thing I got on LeBron about last time, Same deal.
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It's all about honesty.
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Just be honest.
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Honestly, it makes you upset you didn't win M v P doing the things that you did.
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It's okay to say that, but you don't want to come out and say I was trying to win M V P because that makes it seem like yourself is you were only worried about when an M V P not, you know, winning games.
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So that's why you don't want to say that.
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I get it, I guess, but just want you to be honest, man.
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I just want to be honest.
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Let's segue to this Tom Brady and Drew Brees, 111 Let me let me start with this Okay, again.
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I loved watching Tom Brady and his greatness in New England.
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I loved watching Drew Brees and see what he can do for the city of New Orleans.
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Um, I will say that breeze.
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Ah, lot of his numbers.
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Like all the records, he's gotten stuff to me. Feel like empty calories.
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Um, he's been throwing the ball around a lot of six and 10 teams, right? Same thing with like Philip Rivers.
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The only difference between breeze and Rivers as rivers, those that those terms of all over more and hasn't won a Super Bowl.
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That's the only difference to me and Philip Rivers and Drew Brees.
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Um, and Tom, of course, had Belichick blah, blah, blah.
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But that's not what I want to talk about here.
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Okay? Brees and Brady are both declining, all right.
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They get a lot of credit off of their name off of, um, who they are and what they've done, deservedly. So.
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Okay, but that's the mist ake that, like the media and a lot of fans make their like, Oh, they hear Brady's name and it's like, Oh, well, it's Brady, Like, gotta pick him right? And I'm very much more of a realist.
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I'm not really I'm not really not really.
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You know for that, right? So let's let's let's talk for a second, because Brees and Brady right now.
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Look bad.
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Okay.
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NFL top 100 came out.
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Breeze was high. Brady was high.
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I think they were both above.
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And Rogers, somehow, you know, we know that the top 100 list are stupid.
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Anyone who takes those lists seriously, especially the one by ESPN.
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Just come on.
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Like like do better.
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Right? But anyway, so Brees and Brady both look bad.
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Now, of course, everyone knows the famous Max Kellerman clip from a few years ago.
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Brady's gonna fall off a cliff.
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He's just gonna no smack.
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Right then, of course, ready.
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And win another Super Bowl.
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Almost made it to another Super Bowl since then.
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Like so, you know, everyone knows about that.
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Okay? Are they gonna cliff? No.
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There's no cliffs, but it's just gradual decline.
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But while Brees and Brady, both both their teams or one and one and neither one of them look particularly good, obviously they're not themselves.
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And I think that, you know, I wanted to be careful to make did take how they're playing now compared to their old cells.
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I took it as just like how they're playing now in a vacuum site.
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So let's talk about breeze first.
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Okay, He doesn't look good. He looks bad.
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He looks bad.
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There's no rhythm.
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He's not that really elite accuracy quarterback, um, in the pockets.
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Honestly, guys, I'm just being honest here.
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It kind of looks like a rookie like he's just not comfortable.
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Like it just does not seem like, you know, he doesn't have a good pocket like he's like, yeah, maneuver in the pocket, doing what he does now.
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Part of that is no Michael Thomas.
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I get it.
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You know your big number one receiver.
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It gets, you know, 40 targets a game had 140 catches or something like that last year.
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That's a lot of catches.
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Um, so, like, I get it.
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But even still, like this is the same.
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Drew Brees is the same Sean Payton.
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Like the new piece you added to your offense was Emmanuel Sanders.
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That's it.
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Same Taysom Hill.
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Same album camera, same Jared cook, you know, same trick. Juan Smith.
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Like it's the same guys.
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So you know, the this, this miscommunication stuff.
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People saying Well, you know that pass fell incomplete, but it may have been because the receiver didn't do X y and Z like that Excuse kind of goes out the window.
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Oh, well, no Practice cove it that goes out the window.
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Because the only new piece to the Saints team on offense is Emmanuel Sanders.
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So outside of him, there is no there is no excuse of.
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Well, you know Drew Brees? No, Kobe.
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They got to take some time.
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They got to get right.
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No, no, they don't get to do that because nobody else everybody else was in the same predicament.
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When it comes to coach, right, I don't see anybody, you know, talking about the Packers.
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You know, if you want to give three excuses for Drew Brees as faras Oh, well, Kobe, he's shaky, Rusty.
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Whatever.
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It's not that he's getting old, and you would then you better give the same amount of that in the like reverse of credit to Anna Rogers because he didn't have.
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He was in the same expect the same thing.
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Second year, same coach, same roster, same players and boom.
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Look at Packers.
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You're doing on offense, right? So So Greece does not look good.
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That's his regression.
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Now let's talk about Tom Brady because Tom Brady does not look good either, but Tom Brady's, um, regression looks a little bit better.
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Alright, I'm sorry.
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Different.
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This is different in a better way.
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Okay, so it's on.
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The Brady does not look good, either.
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Okay, he looks bad.
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Once again.
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There's no accuracy again, his accuracy.
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I mean, there's no rhythm.
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Excuse me.
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His accuracy is a little bit shaky.
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The difference is, Tom Brady is like a rookie.
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The one thing heat.
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Well, not the one thing, but one of the many things he's ableto he's been able to do well is, you know he can sit in the pocket, will step up back up sideways side, step up, step deliver like maneuver in that pocket is something that Brady's always been able to do well, like always.
00:21:53
So that didn't change This offense, though.
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Looks at a sink, right? We've seen, you know, out of sync with his receivers, Mike Evans, especially his number one receiver in that first game.
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Obviously, through that pick, Evans stopped or he thought he ran a post.
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He ran more in cut, so he overthrew him.
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Um, ended up being picked off, you know, miscommunications on offense.
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That's the stuff that we're seeing from the Bucks Now when you have a quarterback who's brand new, just jumping into a system like Brady is, that's where you can kind of chalk up that.
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Oh, you know, co vid lack of off season.
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That's where you can chalk up that kind of stuff.
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You can't do that with Drew Brees because, you know this is the same.
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Same same offense, same coach like I don't wanna hear that with Drew Brees, right, Rusty, you know, shaking off whatever.
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But I don't wanna hear the excuse of law.
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Will Kobe.
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Everyone dealt with Kobe.
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Everyone dealt with the craziness.
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And, you know, we are where we are.
00:23:00
But Brady looks bad because he looks like they're just They haven't gotten it together yet.
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What you think to me what you think would adjust week, Four weeks, five breeze looks bad because he just looks like bad.
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Like I'm all about the eye test.
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To me, Breeze looks like he's getting old like the offense seems like it is very much trying to hide a lack of arm strength, not push the ball down the field while Brady looks like Yeah, we need we need to get some stuff together.
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Um, there are some things missing.
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Of course we won.
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He had a throw outside the numbers on an out route that got picked off.
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But, you know, people are trying to talk that upto arm strength.
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But island, I saw him make the exact same throw we to, and it was completion.
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He just threw it.
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He just threw a bad pass.
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Um, and so that's our difference there.
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Brady and Brees.
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Um, there's a There's a decline.
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Nobody's gonna deny that.
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I just think they're declines were different for different reasons.
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I'm a little more patient with Brady as I am with Brees.
00:24:02
Um, either way, I think that it's it was a mistake for Tampa Bay to move off of James for Brady.
00:24:09
And I think that it was a you know, a beautiful decision for the saints to go say Okay, Jamous Well, come take you. Thank you.
00:24:19
Um and that's pretty much I got to say on that front.
00:24:23
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I'm Kevin Claire, and this is the bottom line.
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That's that's just that I have to get that out the way I love when you guys, like, say that that's, like, really cool eso Let's just jump right into it.
00:26:03
Uh, first, we're gonna start with before we go into college football, which is what I really care about.
00:26:07
We're gonna start with the Clippers, right? Uh, now, just your initial thoughts takeaways.
00:26:13
I'm I'm here for all this slander.
00:26:15
Anything I see on Twitter, like I want all of it.
00:26:17
I'm dying, laughing.
00:26:19
I don't really carry the way.
00:26:20
Like I'm not a fan.
00:26:21
I don't hate him, but I'm here for the slander, your initial thoughts.
00:26:25
Just seeing the Clippers blowing that 31 lead.
00:26:27
There's no way anyone really could have predicted that they were going to do that.
00:26:30
Um, you know where you thinking? You know, Paul George Really the right number two.
00:26:35
Like, just like what are your thoughts.
00:26:37
Seeing how that Syria's kind of panned out.
00:26:41
Yeah, I was surprised that they were not able to close out the Denver Nuggets.
00:26:44
That was the team on.
00:26:46
If you look at the Clippers roster one through 12 I'd still be hard pressed to find toe.
00:26:52
Listen to an argument that says they aren't the best team in the NBA.
00:26:57
The issue for them was they never really were all together at the same time, right? You had quiet.
00:27:03
Leonard would take off back to back days.
00:27:05
Paul George, Miss Port, a portion of the early part of the season with his injuries.
00:27:10
I think it was something like 37 games total that PG and Co.
00:27:14
I played together.
00:27:15
It was almost like a dozen games with blue trees.
00:27:20
PG and Co. I.
00:27:22
And when those air your four guys and it seemed like you know, the the Clippers had success before co I m p g got there, and that was on the backs of Lou Williams.
00:27:33
That was on the back of Montrezl Harrell, Patrick Beverley.
00:27:37
So they had almost like two different teams, if you will, and they just never seemed to mesh as one the good news for them, and it's Paul, George said.
00:27:45
Is there not a one and done type year like they have another year to fix it? But obviously is co.
00:27:54
I really going to play more games? Probably not.
00:27:57
So you still have to learn.
00:27:58
There's one set of rules for the rest of the team, and there's a set of rules for quiet.
00:28:03
And I'm actually glad that you you mentioned the whole set of rules thing because that pants perfectly.
00:28:09
Do you think when you're a guy like Lou Williams, you know Patrick Beverley your these guys? So, yeah, there weren't very many expectations for the Clippers what, Two years ago, Right? And they went out there and they kind of they took it to Golden State. They lost.
00:28:21
But they you know, they put up a valiant effort.
00:28:23
Now, all of a sudden, we got these two guys coming in, and it's like they're treated like, you know, I don't want I don't use this term lightly.
00:28:29
They're treated kind of like royalty.
00:28:31
Uh, while we're just regular guys now, when Last year, you know, it was it was about all of us.
00:28:36
Now it's about them and then us like what we do to support them.
00:28:40
Like, Do you think that that could have added some sort of riff in the locker room like I played sports? I played basketball specifically, and you know, the best players like it really matters.
00:28:50
Whether or not your best players had that kind of camaraderie with the teammates when your best players treated better than the rest, that does taken effect.
00:29:01
And you got you know, you got a guy like at the end of the day, these athletes, their prideful, they they're trying to make their money, and but they all they all can hoop.
00:29:09
Most of these guys are like, you know, Mr Basketballs of their states, like just because they come off the bench doesn't mean they're scrubs.
00:29:15
And so you've got a guy who comes in here. He didn't say much.
00:29:19
Paul George, who says a lot but you know, doesn't seem to do much when it really matters.
00:29:24
Um, you think that had an effect? Do you think it was just kind of like not enough time? We'll just We'll just leave it that not enough time and, well, we're running back next year.
00:29:34
I think, Joe, I don't know if I think it might have.
00:29:42
Ah, muted or something? Can't Yeah.
00:29:51
Got some technical difficulties, but just figuring out.
00:29:53
So no worries there, Dio.
00:30:01
But anyway, while we're waiting, I will, Um so yeah, Yeah, prideful.
00:30:07
Um, my biggest thing is I don't know.
00:30:13
I just I just feel like it's a we can run it back, but I don't necessarily like think that I don't know.
00:30:22
I really don't know what to make of the clippers.
00:30:25
At the end of the day, they really just need to, um I mean, running back and we'll see what happens.
00:30:33
There is no excuse next year.
00:30:34
No excuse if they're if they all play and they're all healthy, there's no excuse.
00:30:38
And if they don't make it work, you know that year one plus one that year.
00:30:44
Good.
00:30:47
Ah.
00:30:48
Ah.
00:30:54
Did you watch? Mhm workbook basically got like, Yeah, they can choose that.
00:31:05
And, um Okay, that was weird.
00:32:25
I don't know what happened with their I'll make sure I edit that in the podcast because that was odd.
00:32:29
Sorry for those who are watching.
00:32:31
Can you hear me now? Yes, and I could hear you now.
00:32:34
So whatever problem, Um, so yeah.
00:32:37
Anyway, um, like I said, You think it's more of a just chalk it up to not enough rhythm.
00:32:42
You think it's deeper than that? You would think.
00:32:47
Give him some time.
00:32:48
They'll figure it out.
00:32:50
But sometimes not all the parts fit together the way that they're supposed to. Right, Kev.
00:32:55
And with With Quiet Leonard, he's a different dude, you know, he's certainly different with his teammates, and he is with the media or as we see him from the outside.
00:33:05
But he's also It's tough when you're playing 82 games and he's playing 50 you know.
00:33:12
And the payoff for the Raptors was they won the title.
00:33:16
But remember, if he misses that shot against the Sixers, we probably think of them differently.
00:33:21
And all the time he took off for the Raptors last year, Raptors were also I feel like another deep team with some young players, but the Clippers, as deep as they are, they're not.
00:33:30
They don't rely on young players, young young players.
00:33:34
They're probably more likely to go.
00:33:36
You know what? I get a little shine here when Kawai is not playing.
00:33:40
I'll take it. I'll take the opportunity.
00:33:42
Fred Manly might think that way.
00:33:44
A Paschal Siaca might think that way.
00:33:47
Lou Williams mantra is Harold that they might think, you know Hey, dude, we made the playoffs without you last year.
00:33:54
We don't necessarily need you, but I think I think Mawr of that would be if you play more together, you spend more time together.
00:34:02
Obviously, it was crazy.
00:34:03
The pandemic this season being interrupted the way it was.
00:34:06
You really started seeing the Clippers in February starting to play better, starting to play at the level that they should have been playing at eso.
00:34:14
I think the Bucks, the Clippers were two of the team's really affected by the shutdown.
00:34:19
Absolutely, absolutely.
00:34:20
I hear you, um, well, enough time on the Clippers because at the end of the day, like I said, I'm here for all the slander, and I see jokes every day on Twitter and I love it like it's just funny to me.
00:34:31
Um, and I'm not a hater.
00:34:33
I just like seeing funny stuff.
00:34:35
Um, let's move to football first.
00:34:38
We'll start the NFL.
00:34:41
We two is over and done with, uh, any any.
00:34:45
What's your biggest overreaction, right? Like I heard, I saw someone on the radio say, Oh, you know Carson Wentz needs to go to the bench.
00:34:51
They'll start.
00:34:52
They need to start.
00:34:53
Jalen hurts so that they could go make the playoffs, right? Like I think it's that far.
00:34:56
No, but you know what's after week, too? What's your biggest reaction? Our overreaction? Overreaction.
00:35:04
Maybe the Bills are legit.
00:35:07
Maybe Josh Allen.
00:35:09
After the two games that he's had, I've kind of undersold the Bills because there they're the Bills.
00:35:15
But you know Sean McDermott the way that he has built really a team like Ron Rivera had at the Carolina Panthers? Look, maybe Josh Allen is better than we thought. He waas.
00:35:28
Yeah, My biggest thing with Josh is, um, Dolphins and Jets.
00:35:32
I just can't I can't.
00:35:34
I can't.
00:35:35
Uh, not just yet, but that's a Yeah, like I just But at the same time, though, like Sean McDermott.
00:35:45
Man, I'm talking about a great coach, and this is why guys like when they get drafted, especially quarterbacks.
00:35:52
Where you go, your situation matters like if I was Josh Rosen, for example, who I I still feel like, hasn't been given a fair shake.
00:36:01
I would be I would have been like, you know, bump sign into the the Bucks on the practice squad.
00:36:08
Get me the Pittsburgh like, find a way.
00:36:11
Like get me to Pittsburgh because their futures quarterback situation looks rough as we saw last year, and that doesn't seem like that's been addressed.
00:36:19
Like give me to Pittsburgh, a stable situation where I could just game manage and learn like that's where I thought the perfect scenario with some of my friends that are Steelers fans don't like that, but that's just, you know me.
00:36:30
I don't like Sam Donald.
00:36:31
Terrible situation.
00:36:32
Because Lord have mercy.
00:36:33
The Jets are a Dumpster fire.
00:36:35
So, um, and he's with Adam Gays.
00:36:38
And he's with Adam.
00:36:39
Gays who? Look, I don't know how some guys continue to be recycled in like the coaching cycle in the NFL.
00:36:45
Like Jeff Fisher was another one where I was like, Alright, guys like way have to stop at some point.
00:36:50
We have to be done with Jeff Fisher.
00:36:53
Um, and Adam gazes another one like I don't know how you give him another job after this, um, always in the A F C East.
00:37:01
Always.
00:37:02
Exactly.
00:37:03
Um, so yeah, he'll be.
00:37:05
Yeah.
00:37:06
Yeah.
00:37:07
Well, that's a good one.
00:37:08
I think that, like I said, I haven't heard anything crazier than hurts.
00:37:12
Needs to start so we could lead them to the playoffs.
00:37:13
Yet that's that's a different one.
00:37:15
That, uh But, hey, you know, I mean, it is what it is.
00:37:20
I guess, Um, you got ta.
00:37:24
Actually, I'm gonna talk later, Actually.
00:37:25
Can't even tell you because I'm gonna spoil it for later in the show.
00:37:29
So I can't tell you, unfortunately, but there's a trade.
00:37:31
No one's talking about two trades that took place in the off season.
00:37:34
I'm sure you could guess that has something to the receivers.
00:37:36
And you've got the teams who got the receivers playing really well in the teams who gave up the receivers.
00:37:41
Not so much, but that's just a little teaser going forward for those watching to make sure you stay tuned.
00:37:47
All right, so last week had someone on.
00:37:51
She's a huge Ohio State fan, and so it was really excited.
00:37:54
We were waiting on the news because it didn't come out.
00:37:57
I didn't like break too like Wednesday morning.
00:37:59
And of course, we did the show Tuesday night, but we were waiting on the news to break because we knew it was gonna happen.
00:38:05
It's just a matter of when about the big team coming back to football.
00:38:08
Um, that decision is kind of iffy to me, Joe.
00:38:10
Honestly, I'm not really I'm not really sure how I feel about it.
00:38:16
Um, especially given everything is going on.
00:38:19
I don't even think anyone should be playing period with Kobe.
00:38:22
But you know, the Big 10.
00:38:25
Good decision.
00:38:26
Bad decision.
00:38:27
Do you like kind of what they're going? It's faras eight games when they're trying to start.
00:38:30
Is it gonna work like, where you at with that? I do like their concept of the championship Saturday, Where Teams One through 14 or one of those seven games, Right? I love that this consolation ladder fantasy football style one weekend, but they're not giving themselves enough room here.
00:38:51
We're already seeing with the A C C between NC State, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame that you're gonna have games that are postponed or canceled or shuffled or moved around the A. C.
00:39:03
C was able to put three weeks into their schedule as a buffer.
00:39:07
The Big 10 is going to try to play eight games and eight weeks.
00:39:09
I I just don't see how they're gonna be able to pull that off. Absolutely.
00:39:13
And that's the big thing to even with the A C C.
00:39:16
Given those three weeks Buffer, there's still some scheduling conflicts.
00:39:19
I think.
00:39:20
Yeah, you're seeing Virginia Tech.
00:39:22
You know, even this week may not be able to play NC State in Carolina with two weeks off in a row through no fault of their own.
00:39:28
And Virginia, you know, had their season kind of scrambled around.
00:39:32
So and I think you guys have mentioned even on the radio someone Notre Dame, they're supposed to play somebody and there's some stuff there.
00:39:40
They might not even be able play it all.
00:39:41
Yeah, they postponed their game with Wake Forest on Saturday, already on dear both off next weekend.
00:39:48
But the way that the contact tracing rules worked with their protocols, it's a 14 day quarantine that they can't practice for 14 days.
00:39:56
The players who are affected in NC state said earlier this year that they had 60 players out 60 Good practice.
00:40:04
Yeah, no you can't.
00:40:06
You can't effectively prepare.
00:40:08
I don't have any players you have.
00:40:09
You can effectively prepare for a college football game with 60 guys out.
00:40:13
That's just not possible.
00:40:15
My biggest thing with the Big Ten's decision is it almost feels like, you know, you ever been in the grocery store and, like Mom is telling little Timmy like, Stop crying.
00:40:24
You're not getting the candy bar and Timmy just cries and cries.
00:40:27
And eventually, moms like, All right, I need to be quiet.
00:40:29
Here's a candy bar.
00:40:30
Um, it kind of feels that way.
00:40:32
You know, the Big 10 said, Hey, we're not doing this decisions not being revisited.
00:40:37
Oh, well, let's petition and let's argue and let's cry and let's sue.
00:40:42
And now all of a sudden, Oh, we found out something new that now we can play.
00:40:47
Um, what, like I I just you know, that's just the way our society is.
00:40:51
You know, if you cry enough, I guess you get what you want and, you know, for me, it's it's more.
00:40:56
It's less about the kids want to play.
00:40:59
I get it.
00:41:00
But like if I goto Ohio State, I'm a kid, right and Let's say I live in an apartment and Justin Fields and I see each other at cookout.
00:41:06
Let's just say they test three days a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday before they go to the game and on Sunday me and just feel see each other cookout with your great game and dap him up.
00:41:17
All of a sudden, he gets tested on Monday, finds out he has cove it.
00:41:19
Now I'm not getting tested, but now I find out I've got co vid.
00:41:22
I go home.
00:41:23
I don't find I've got Kobe.
00:41:24
So I go home and give it to my grandmother.
00:41:26
And I didn't even care if they play in the first place.
00:41:28
Like that's the kind of stuff, the risk that I don't know if anyone's really thinking about that, just kind of like makes me IFI.
00:41:34
And of course, my biggest saying on this is sports is a product of a functioning society, and in so many ways, our society is not functioning like it's supposed Thio, Um, and so I'm just like, yeah, I'm just If you man, I I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't trust it.
00:41:51
I don't trust it and you know, it's all about the money, I guess.
00:41:54
Yeah, I think the Big 10 saw the A.
00:41:57
C C play.
00:41:58
They saw the Big 12 play, Onda said.
00:42:01
Well, why can't they're playing? Why can't we play? And Ohio State, I think in particular, I think a lot of this is I hate to say it, but to get Ohio State into the playoffs, you know like they're gonna play.
00:42:15
I'll be interested to see how many games they're able to get off in eight and eight weeks.
00:42:18
Even if it's five, maybe you say, Well, you know Justin Fields, they belong.
00:42:25
I mean, it's gonna be such a strange playoff.
00:42:29
Um, that being said, I respect what the colleges air doing in the testing.
00:42:38
It seems they've backed themselves into a bubble by having to throw the kids off campus, the regular students off campus.
00:42:46
But travel Kevin, I mean, you think about travel.
00:42:49
I mean, like, the scenario you gave was great and it's there, at least play.
00:42:55
The players are not being paid in like the NFL's being paid.
00:42:59
The NFL gave their players the option of opting out and still paying them, not the case here in college football.
00:43:06
And quite frankly, the gig is up on amateur sports, Right? If we hadn't figured it out before, it's crystal clear. Now.
00:43:15
College football exists not only to make money for the schools, for the athletic departments, but for these schools because they're sitting here going well, what do we have if we don't have football? How do we appeal two students to come join us every Saturday or join us at the high price every every semester? So it does feel a little bit dirty.
00:43:38
I wish everyone would just kind of admit like a Big 10 said, Hey, we watched you play last week and we really think Ohio State should be in the playoff.
00:43:45
If they said that, I would have more respect for them. Exactly.
00:43:50
Exactly.
00:43:51
Yeah, It's like just say it, man at the end of the day, like look, it's about making this money and that's so and that Z Okay, if that's what we're in the business of doing.
00:43:58
Of course, when you say it out loud, now you have to take the repercussions of whatever that means.
00:44:03
But I mean, we all know what it is just to stop with this with, uh, Yeah, I'm gonna get upset if I talk about it so well, I do think part of it is if you've worked at something and you're a player and you've put in the practice time and the workouts and the dedication to it particularly if you're a senior, you know? Hey, the system is screwed up.
00:44:25
Don't get me wrong, but you still did work for that opportunity.
00:44:29
So I do respect the schools for taking the measures they are right now to give those players and opportunity, but that being said there giving them that opportunity because it means something to their bottom line.
00:44:44
The bottom line? That's right.
00:44:46
That's right.
00:44:47
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00:44:52
Every afternoon, y'all go check it out.
00:44:54
Um, Joe A C. C.
00:44:56
Is rolling, I guess.
00:44:58
Um, is there any worry that you might have or like, is there any worry around the SEC of maybe not finishing this season? I think what they'll try to do is play as many conference games as they can.
00:45:11
I think they've probably are starting to give up on the concept of everyone playing 10 conference games.
00:45:17
As you see the ripple effect from Notre Dame, Wake Forest and Virginia Tech, NC State is still not 100% go this week.
00:45:28
It's interesting because there's six or seven teams that are off next weekend, and you could actually finagle to schedule a little bit.
00:45:35
Kevin and I think you'll probably see something like that happened just to try to get as many games and as possible.
00:45:42
Because again, remember, this is about Clemson or Notre Dame hack, maybe Carolina Miami getting to the playoff.
00:45:51
And if you played, say, eight games, that's what they normally play that I don't see how people could complain if they were able to get eight conference games and I give the A C C credit for building in the week weekends without games, three of them that they did in order to give themselves the best chance to play.
00:46:09
I don't like the non conference game.
00:46:12
You might see some of those go away because they'll say, Hey, Virginia Tech, if you can't play this weekend, we need that Liberty weekend in November.
00:46:21
We did take that off your schedule and there won't be anything but things I could do about that.
00:46:25
Absolutely, Absolutely.
00:46:27
Um, in the A c C.
00:46:30
Since we're still on a C C.
00:46:31
Football, let's, um, outside of the obvious, right? Trevor Lawrence.
00:46:35
If you had to find someone and we'll even say, Sam, how old to take him out as well? If you had to find someone, you're like, Alright, this guy, you know, he could sneak into this house and discussion in the A C.
00:46:47
C.
00:46:48
So far, two weeks.
00:46:49
There's a lot of teams, a lot of games to play, like better played, but just looking, you know, you're like, Oh, he's kind of jumping off the screen.
00:46:54
Who's that guy in the A C C.
00:46:57
There's probably two of them.
00:46:58
Dear King at Miami.
00:47:00
I mean, the numbers he put up at Houston.
00:47:02
We're better than pretty much any quarterback you can think of between running and throwing for touchdowns and look.
00:47:09
Last week he had a breakout performance against Louisville for people who may not have been familiar with his work in the American Athletic Conference in Houston.
00:47:17
And then any time you talk about Heisman and anytime their success by the Notre Dame quarterback.
00:47:21
You know it's been a while in a while, but I still think Ian book with the way that he's capable of playing.
00:47:30
Not sure he has the weapons that Sam Howell has or Trevor Lawrence has.
00:47:35
Um, but that position for that school tends to get itself attention, especially if they're eight No.
00:47:43
Nine and no and into the Carolina or cleansing games.
00:47:46
Do you think that Carolina see, I'm like Tar Heels fan, especially basketball, and when they're good at football, I'll tune in.
00:47:54
But do you think they actually really have a legitimate shot? Or do you think it's like they're ranked? It's kind, a little bit, just a lot of the hyped, the Mac Brown stuff, that kind of good recruiting.
00:48:04
But do they really actually have a chance to like, you know, knock off Clemson and winning a C C title? Or is it kind of one of the things that they're probably a year, maybe two years away? So I'll take this in two parts for you? I think they have a legitimate They had a legitimate chance to start 19, against the schedule they had you take away.
00:48:24
Now the Charlotte game.
00:48:26
Hopefully, we'll play those other games.
00:48:28
I don't see any reason why they can't go into that Notre Dame game now within eight. No record.
00:48:34
I don't see any reason why I can't beat Notre Dame.
00:48:36
They probably won't.
00:48:37
Notre Dame has a really good defensive on offensive line.
00:48:40
That's really where Notre Dame get Some of these A C C schools not named Clemson is they have NFL fronts, and most of Carolina does not.
00:48:48
They have an NFL quarterback.
00:48:50
They have good skill players.
00:48:51
They don't have an NFL offensive line or even one.
00:48:55
That being said, it would not surprise me if Carolina ended up in the A C C championship game.
00:49:02
But things we've learned from NC State.
00:49:04
When you play Clemson close and you get their attention, you get the fastball the next year.
00:49:10
So Carolina got prevention last year.
00:49:14
They probably should have beaten Clemson last year.
00:49:18
Now, this would be the second time Clemson sees them.
00:49:21
And then you're going.
00:49:23
Oh, this happened to pit.
00:49:25
This happened Syracuse.
00:49:26
This has happened a couple of times where a team either beats Clemson or plays them close and everybody the next year is like, Oh, Syracuse number one example.
00:49:34
Right? And you're going all of a sudden, it's 56 3, and you're going.
00:49:39
Well, remember last year it was close? Yeah.
00:49:42
Yeah, on.
00:49:44
That's actually that's a great point.
00:49:46
Like, I think didn't happen like that.
00:49:47
Shawn Watson team with state like they should be available.
00:49:53
It's a food exactly like And that was a wrap on that, Um, that is that is interesting.
00:49:59
Um, is there any truth we're going to switch gears now to just kind of the broader spectrum.
00:50:04
Is there any truth that, like, I read somewhere that, like the Pac 12 might think about returning now and like the MEAC like, Is that true to this? Because it seems weird that now the Big 10 decides.
00:50:16
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna renege here, and we're gonna, um we're gonna play.
00:50:20
And now Oh, you know what? You I guess we can play to impact.
00:50:24
I was like, Oh, you know, the air quality is not good, but I guess we can play to, uh, like, is there any truth to that, or am I just like reading? Is this all just kind of like, fake news? They're trying to scramble the Pac 12 Thio safely, try to play, and if they can pull it off, that would be great.
00:50:41
It's getting late.
00:50:42
Obviously, they don't have an obvious national contender, either.
00:50:47
I would love for all of the FCS or one double A.
00:50:50
Programs to just play in the spring have their championship.
00:50:54
I would watch the hell out of that, Kevin in the, you know, in the fall when you're competing with the F B s or one A, it doesn't get as much attention.
00:51:03
But they play good football on that level.
00:51:05
And if they did it in the spring, I really would I after the March madness or whatever will be this year, you know? Yeah, I would definitely pay attention to it might be like June madness at this point.
00:51:19
Yeah, um, if they let all 300, GTO month extra***ant, that would be interesting.
00:51:27
But I'm all for it.
00:51:28
Looked more basketball better for me.
00:51:29
The more kids three amount of kids who get drafted and get high stocks get paid off it like you know what? They end up earning about what they do in the tournament.
00:51:38
The more March madness moments.
00:51:39
I It hurt me to miss that this past year.
00:51:42
Um, and I'm four of the 353 e.
00:51:46
I love to see it.
00:51:47
Why not, like, get them all in there? Let's go.
00:51:50
Like you want to know who is really the best.
00:51:52
Put him up, everybody.
00:51:53
Everybody in high school.
00:51:55
Basketball style. Yep, yep. Absolutely.
00:51:57
Um you think cultural is gonna finish? I I feel like at this point, they're gonna do everything just like a baseball has kind of been like, all right? Yeah.
00:52:04
Like, don't panic.
00:52:06
We'll just figure it out.
00:52:08
You think that college football is gonna be like, Yeah, we're probably gonna get through an entire season.
00:52:11
Maybe it's Asterix, maybe, Like, you know, someone in the national championship is 11 and someone else is is, you know, nine.
00:52:20
Yeah, but hey, like, if there's a sec, there might be an 18 to 73 SEC team there.
00:52:26
You never know? Yep.
00:52:28
But I do think they're gonna finish.
00:52:30
Um, if they were to not finish, what do you think it would take? Like what would have toe happen for all of college football? To be like, Yep, we're done.
00:52:43
I think I have an answer.
00:52:44
I think I might know your answer, but I want to hear what you have to say.
00:52:49
Obviously, worst case scenario would be, you know, mhm.
00:52:57
You would hate for someone to actually get Cove.
00:52:59
It had a pre existing condition and lose their life, you know, and that the odds are somewhat remote in terms of if you have the testing standards and can identify some of the physical problems beforehand.
00:53:15
But a lot of times with pre existing conditions, especially when they're 18 and 19 and 20.
00:53:21
And they're and they're healthy.
00:53:23
These are things you can identify.
00:53:25
Um, Michael Ojo, Florida State player who was playing, you know, uh, graduate in four states, playing professionally overseas coke tested positive, covert, had covet and eventually died from cove it because he had an enlarged heart and some other issues that they didn't know about S O to me.
00:53:43
Yeah, that's that works.
00:53:45
Yeah, right.
00:53:47
Yeah, And I didn't even think about that.
00:53:49
That just got real somber.
00:53:51
Um, I was thinking more along the lines, e.
00:53:57
I was thinking more along the lines of like, you know, Alabama is like Oh, snap, Huge outbreak.
00:54:03
Alabama and Clemson like, Oh, we can't play college ball like, you know, what if Alabama and Clemson in Wayne trying to see this like, let's be real here If it comes to the point where George, where we have to rely on Georgia or Florida like you know nothing against those programs but at the end of the day, cream of the crop I don't want to see George Averse North Carolina national championship.
00:54:23
I you know, I want to see Alabama.
00:54:25
That's just that's just how I feel.
00:54:27
So, like, I feel like, you know, one of those things where Clemson can't get enough games and where something crazy happens.
00:54:32
They can't enough games in now.
00:54:33
And then Alabama can, either as a A and I were just you know what, it's too.
00:54:37
And ask to be too risky at this point.
00:54:39
Um, eso I mean, that's pretty much That's pretty much all I had.
00:54:43
I do want us one.
00:54:44
Thank you for coming.
00:54:46
Sure.
00:54:47
Joining.
00:54:48
I know you. You know, you guys work hard on the radio.
00:54:50
I wish.
00:54:51
I mean, you gotta tell me how I can get in the studio with y'all and talk sport because I love listening to you all, man.
00:54:57
Um, also, we'll have you up there, man.
00:55:00
No, No problems.
00:55:01
Students were allowed that right now it's so we're not We're not allowed to have people into the studio.
00:55:07
We're not allowed to be in the same studio that Adam Gold uses before our show, which we normally would dio.
00:55:14
So we're all spread out and there's only let's say there's probably 10 people in the building if that and normally it's, you know, four or five times that.
00:55:24
So it's interesting.
00:55:25
I keep seeing the same four or five people for the last, you know, four or five months.
00:55:31
And then I went to the N. C.
00:55:32
State game on Saturday night, and I was like, 00 yeah, I know, I know that person.
00:55:37
So it was kind of completely different for me, but yeah, Kevin, once we're allowed to have people out there, would love to have you come up and just see what's going on around there and and keep up the good work here, man, like this is a nice set up that you have here.
00:55:52
I didn't know what you wanted to talk about tonight.
00:55:56
I love the MBA, so I'm glad we got the Yeah, Obvious.
00:56:00
Doesn't always like the Yeah, see, Yeah.
00:56:03
I definitely also would love to have, like, the both of you up here.
00:56:06
Like I mean, I just really don't, like, listen to the radio, because it ah, lot of it starts to become the same.
00:56:13
Um, you know that the new shows that came out on the ESPN lineup, right? You got like, Keyshawn J and Zubin like they promoted that as like, you know, these guys played professionally.
00:56:25
They're going to give us stories and, like the insights like those, Like, it's the same thing that I got from everyone else.
00:56:30
Like, I just can't so like you guys because you're also more localized and I'm learning stuff, especially in college football.
00:56:37
I had no idea on.
00:56:38
Do you guys have Bomani Jones? That's probably the smartest person I've ever like ever heard.
00:56:43
Listen, if you if you ever want to feel stupid, just have a conversation with Bo about really any topic but Texas football, he knows fax about Texas football like I'm sitting here going, there's no way you look that up in the last three years, right? And he knew, like, scores and records and some stuff from Texas football from, like, 07 And I'm sitting here going.
00:57:10
This is not the championship here, Kevin.
00:57:12
This is like, Hey, just has this recall that I'm going.
00:57:18
Well, well, yeah.
00:57:20
I mean, yeah, we're lucky to have him every week for sure.
00:57:24
Yeah, he retains information like nobody I've ever seen. Ever.
00:57:28
So, like, you know, I listened to his podcast.
00:57:30
I like it a lot.
00:57:31
I've been trying to tweet at him.
00:57:33
I know he likes to snap clap back at people on Twitter.
00:57:35
Yeah, I'm just like, Yo, Bowman, let me get you on the show.
00:57:38
Like I'm just, like, constantly threatened.
00:57:39
He just will not respond to me at all, so I got to just keep working on that, But there you go.
00:57:44
But yeah.
00:57:45
National arguer. Yeah, maybe.
00:57:47
Yeah, exactly. I should be like, you know what? Like you're wrong.
00:57:49
And maybe then he'll be like, Oh, what's up? Like you want to argue about it on the show.
00:57:52
And I was like, Yes, come on and then not argue at all.
00:57:55
But But, you know, man I greatly appreciate you coming.
00:57:58
Um, I will be staying tuned and I'll be in touch.
00:58:01
I love to have you guys come on some or it's great.
00:58:03
I'm just working hard, man.
00:58:05
I'm gonna listen tomorrow because I'm gonna listen for that.
00:58:07
Yeah, I was about, you know, check out the podcast.
00:58:10
Like e appreciate it, man.
00:58:13
Appreciate it.
00:58:14
So, Joe, man, you know, enjoy the rest of your night.
00:58:16
Thank you again for coming on, but I will talk to you, my friend.
00:58:21
You got Thank you, Kevin.
00:58:22
Yes, sir. Thank you.
00:58:24
That was Joe Giulio of the O.
00:58:27
G.
00:58:28
Nine other thing, that was a great conversation.
00:58:29
See, the thing about him is you know, he's so in tune to like, college football in college sports.
00:58:38
Like and so I listen to the radio show and, you know, I just you know, like what I see, you know? So, um, I like what I hear.
00:58:48
And they're different, you know? So definitely if you're in the Raleigh, you are the triangle, you know, 99.
00:58:54
9326 d o g.
00:58:57
Even if you're tuning in when you're going home from work, I I commute a lot like during work, so I'm always in the car radios on.
00:59:05
So I enjoy listening to them Really smart guys.
00:59:09
So, uh, can we thank him for that? So we're going to wrap it up with one last thing, Which is the one thing that nobody is talking about, Which is the trades of Stefon Diggs in Diatta Hawk.
00:59:28
Why is nobody talking about him? Well, obviously, for one, they happened a while ago.
00:59:32
But look, let's just look at the results here, okay? DeAndre Hopkins in a 20 24th round pick were traded to the Arizona Cardinals for David Johnson, 20 22nd in the 2021 4th.
00:59:51
Not even a first.
00:59:53
Um, David Johnson is not.
00:59:54
This is the David Johnson who in his second year had 2000 total yards.
00:59:59
Um, and, you know, got that contract.
01:00:02
And he was like, he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go get 1000 passing.
01:00:05
1000 Russian 1000 receiving 1000 Russian, and then he got hurt.
01:00:08
Hasn't been healthy sense, but that's that.
01:00:12
Ain't that David Johnson I was three years ago, right? DeAndre Hopkins.
01:00:19
You could argue the best receiver of football.
01:00:21
Definitely the best hands standing argument.
01:00:25
And now Houston looks like yo, like, what are we going to do on offense? Like, you know, having a bunch of speed guys cooks Fuller.
01:00:33
Still, that's great.
01:00:34
But you need somebody who can win these one on one who is always open even when they're covered.
01:00:39
And they don't have that.
01:00:40
You still don't have offensive line.
01:00:42
Is that great? And Watson? I mean, while you look at the Cardinals, you, Carla Murray, is like, Look, man, I thought the Hopkins where he ain't open, I might throw it the fits.
01:00:50
And at the end of the day, I can scramble around.
01:00:52
This offense is dynamic, and then you wanna he's like, Oh, well, one player doesn't change that.
01:01:00
Well, maybe it does, you know, because the Vikings traders to find gigs in the 2027 return.
01:01:05
They got a 20 21st, a 20 25th, a 20 26th and the 2021 4th.
01:01:12
So not only did they get you know what Houston got.
01:01:16
They got even Mawr for Diggs, who is not considered as greatest Hopkins.
01:01:21
But you mean to me he's elite in his own right.
01:01:25
And you will look at the Vikings offense in two games.
01:01:28
Yeah, You know, you look at the final score.
01:01:30
They lost the Packers like 43 34.
01:01:32
But if you're if you're being honest, like they didn't start scoring.
01:01:34
So it was like, you know, 20 something to six, right? Like it was it was a blowout.
01:01:40
And then they just started scoring and going back and forth.
01:01:44
I mean, you saw him against the causing the offense, look bad.
01:01:46
Offensive line is still suspect.
01:01:48
They got They only got Dalvin Cook and their series of young.
01:01:51
Their defense is young, but again, the offense looks bad and Kurt looks bad right now without digs, while Josh Allen over here looks like as Joe Giulio talked about giving M v P candidate right now, Josh Allen, in two games, is 57 for 81 which, by the way, means he's throwing 40.
01:02:07
5 times a game.
01:02:08
Anyone who says that you're gonna throw it with Josh Allen 40.
01:02:10
5 times you're not setting yourself up for success.
01:02:15
That's a 70% clip.
01:02:17
His 729 passing yards that's over 350 per game, six touchdowns and no pics.
01:02:25
Stefan ****s has 16 catches, 239 yards and a touchdown.
01:02:28
Stefon Diggs is responsible for 28% of Allen's completion percentage is last year, his most targeted guy was Kobe's.
01:02:39
You go from Cole Beasley to Stefon Diggs, a route running savant like specialists, and you see the difference between the Bills offense.
01:02:47
Last year, the Bills were defense, defense and the offense.
01:02:51
Just don't lose this.
01:02:52
The game. Get a driver, too.
01:02:54
We'll help you do the rest.
01:02:57
And last year the Vikings offense was like, Yeah, we're gonna put up points defense.
01:03:01
Just don't give up 40 now The reason the Vikings look so bad is because their defense isn't the type of defense to carry them like they were three years ago.
01:03:13
And the offense can't go put up points while the Bills offense is putting up points and the defense is still, you know, doing what they do.
01:03:24
Same thing, cardinal.
01:03:25
So you can say what you want and I've always been one, a believer that the team who gets the best player wins the trade right.
01:03:34
The Vikings trade that one still up in the air, right? Like, you know, who do these pics turn into because, you know, people could say digs the diva, his cryptic tweet stuff like that.
01:03:45
Maybe it was best for them.
01:03:46
Just gonna cut ways.
01:03:47
But the end of the day digs didn't just help.
01:03:49
That the the offense, the team, um, cousins.
01:03:52
He also helped feeling you have tow dealings.
01:03:57
Good.
01:03:58
I don't think he's the deep threat like that.
01:03:59
Digs would have been like you had to have two safeties, two guys on one or the other which just help the other eat.
01:04:05
And they don't have that now.
01:04:06
And, you know, if you're defending Minnesota, there are a lot easier to defend now because you only have to worry about dealing.
01:04:13
Yeah, they've got some guys who were young that come to their own.
01:04:15
But right now, I'm not worried about young guys that's coming to their own.
01:04:20
So, um so yeah, guys, that's something no one's talking about.
01:04:25
And that digs and Hopkins and I feel like the guys who got the receive releasing the time being one, the trade.
01:04:36
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