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00:00:01
What a way to start, right? A big ball, right? Real professionals, That's what we are.
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That's partially on me.
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Big bucks.
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I'm just going to assume that we're alive.
00:00:15
What's up, everybody? I'm Lawrence on for SportsCastr news.
00:00:19
And today it's Thursday Night Football.
00:00:22
And with me is Ray Route and Joe New Bow to go over this game right here.
00:00:28
And what better game? You can't think of two better teams toe actually watch on Thursday night.
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But how than the powerful, powerful uh, Cincinnati Bengals and the Cleveland Browns, two teams that last week had quarterbacks Toe absolutely showed out and just I'm sorry.
00:00:54
I must have been watching different games.
00:00:56
Um, looked as good as the Indianapolis Colts last week.
00:01:00
Oh, come on, Philip Rivers at 360 yards passing on 80% completions.
00:01:07
Um, so I just want to say I did not get a chance to watch the Ravens uh, Browns game, but I wasn't too worried about it.
00:01:15
I wasn't too worried about it because I knew I had a guy here that most definitely watch the Ravens and Browns game.
00:01:22
Okay, so he'll give us a little bit of a Brown's breakdown.
00:01:26
Now I did in detail in all 22 film.
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Watch the Bengals game against the Chargers.
00:01:36
All right? And I did that right before we came online.
00:01:38
And I'm gonna tell you, Ray, you may, you may have hit it dead on the head early in the season, Joe Burrow might be a bust.
00:01:48
Joe the Bust bird after one game, Joe Burrow is a bust when he led his team on a two minute drive with which established quarterbacks can't even do.
00:01:58
All right, let me explain something to you, Joe.
00:02:02
With six minutes left in the third quarter, Joe Burrow had yet to make an air pass of five yards orm or in the game, every past that he had thrown beyond that beyond five yards was an overthrow.
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Every single pass.
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He had a whole six passes the entire game of five yards or more.
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One off 15.
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Okay, Okay.
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The only time that he had good rhythm with his team was that final drive that you're talking about.
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And he made a That's where half of his five yards or more passes in air passes were completed.
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And that's what matters is on the table that lead your team down the field and lose did.
00:02:50
And he put them in a chance.
00:02:51
You lead them down the field and lose.
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They should.
00:02:55
I'll tell you what, though.
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I'm not gonna drop it all on Borough because yes, I understand that he's new to the NFL.
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And a lot of that had had to do with, uh, he's only had a month to really get to know the team, the playbook, all that stuff.
00:03:12
Uh, the offensive line for Cincinnati was God awful. Joey Bosa.
00:03:16
Jerry Tillery was in the backfield almost every play.
00:03:20
Joe Burrow was running for his life.
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Half the time.
00:03:23
There was a couple runs that he looked at that touchdown run that he had was a thing of beauty.
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It was I'm not going to say it wasn't he can run like crazy.
00:03:33
Ray.
00:03:34
What do you think? Your thoughts on the game from last week? The Bengals game.
00:03:40
Okay, so I saw very little of the Bengals game will be honest with you guys. I watch.
00:03:44
I didn't even watch the extended highlights.
00:03:46
I watched the shortened highlights.
00:03:48
Um, you know the six minute package or whatever it may be, Um, look, the, uh, you have Joe Mixon.
00:03:57
You just paid Joe Mixon.
00:03:58
Ah, whole ton of money.
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You've got a young quarterback who's playing his first game in the NFL, and it's not even a preseason game.
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It's Week one, and he's playing his first thing.
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Not only that, he's playing in his hometown on top of playing in his hometown.
00:04:13
He's also in a situation where he has all the pressure in the world of being the first overall draft pick.
00:04:21
Also, I heard rumors on Sunday that he watches sports Caster news and heard that this Ray guy was calling him a bust all off season, so he wanted to prove me wrong.
00:04:31
I can't I don't know the coach's name of Cincinnati.
00:04:33
You guys got that off the top of your head.
00:04:34
What's up? Zach Taylor, second year coach, right, second year head coach, made a crucial mistake.
00:04:41
You've got Joe Burrow starting the first game.
00:04:44
I don't care if you are playing the Chargers.
00:04:46
I don't care if you are playing a Little League team down the road or Pop Warner team down the road.
00:04:53
You've got Joe mixing.
00:04:54
You pound that football, protect Joe Burrow, All right, I look, I tongue in cheek called Joe Burrow a bust because I made a comment that I said he had bust written all over him and that if I was gonna predict who has the best chance of being a bus, that's who it is.
00:05:11
Joe down there ran with that for six months, so I'm gonna now own it, even though it's not my words.
00:05:18
But let's get away from that for a second.
00:05:21
Whether it's Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Cam Newton, whoever first game of the year.
00:05:25
First overall pick.
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Protect your quarterback.
00:05:28
Especially when you know how bad your offensive line is.
00:05:31
Hand that ball off to Joe Mixon.
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Pound the football.
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Let Joe Burrow adjust to the NFL.
00:05:38
The guy didn't get a preseason game.
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Let's not forget that if he got three or four preseason games, I might be talking a little bit different in saying Borough, you've You've seen the NFL.
00:05:46
You played Week three.
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You played starters.
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This is on you. Is your first game.
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Protect him.
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Ridiculous.
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I think what mixing got like 10 or 12 carries or something ridiculous.
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He should be carrying the ball 2025 times.
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One thing.
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One stat to note.
00:06:01
Joe Mixon had his first fumble since his rookie year, the first time since 2017 that he had fumbled the football and it was really off of, Ah, great hit in the backfield on Joe Mixon.
00:06:15
So I just want to admit that, but whatever, Uh, Joe, what do you think about the Browns and their game against the Ravens? Now? I understand where this is not about the Ravens, by the way.
00:06:26
Joe, we're talking about the Brown.
00:06:28
Specifically, uh, I wanted to circle back to the Bengals, man.
00:06:33
It's pretty much what Ray said.
00:06:35
You know, if if he had actually gotten some time in the preseason, if he got to play some of those games and he put out that type of performance, then maybe I would be a little more worried about Joe Burrow.
00:06:46
But this was literally his first NFL game, you know, um, talk about a new system.
00:06:52
This is a new league for Joe Burrow, so I am not at all concerned, You know, again, you take the rookie growing pains that UK Hey, Lamar Jackson's first pre season game was the Hall of Fame game against the I think the Bears, if I'm not mistaken and he looked bad, he looked terrible.
00:07:10
So, you know, you just expect that from these rookies.
00:07:13
That's how it is.
00:07:14
S O.
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I am not at all concerned about Joe Burrow.
00:07:16
I think he'll be fine.
00:07:18
But for the Browns, Um, you know, I mean, plain and simple. They are the Browns.
00:07:24
They are the Cleveland Browns, as as they've been, um, it's it's been issues, um, for for the past 20 years, but yeah.
00:07:35
So my concern about the Browns is not that they can't win this game because they absolutely should win this game against the Bengals.
00:07:44
They are clearly the better team.
00:07:46
And if you were to do something like a mad and simulation, the Browns would clearly beat the Bengals like 100 times out of 100.
00:07:53
Right? But this is the real life Cleveland Browns that we're talking about.
00:07:57
If they come out playing like they were last week against my Baltimore Ravens, it's not gonna be pretty for them.
00:08:04
And then the Joe Burrow will put the NFL world on notice because the Brown secondary was playing terribly.
00:08:11
Now they're dealing with a lot of injuries.
00:08:13
Um, but I mean, Lamar, when he's on point and accurate going up against a weaker secondary like the Browns were playing, it's not gonna be a good day for you.
00:08:22
So if this Brown secondary does not show up against this Bangles offense, which I've been saying all offseason, have a very good wide receiving corps then And if Baker Mayfield continues to play the way he has played last week and over the past season, um, you know, then the Browns.
00:08:43
They're gonna disappoint once again, and I don't know what they're what they're going to do after this, because this is absolutely a game that they should win.
00:08:50
They are at home on Thursday night.
00:08:53
There's no way that they should lose this game, however it could happen.
00:08:57
Man.
00:08:58
I like Joe Burrow, man.
00:08:59
I'm hoping that he has this breakout game.
00:09:02
The only worry that I have is there were to place that he had.
00:09:07
Joe Burrow had wide open receivers for touchdowns, one of which there wasn't anyone a defender within him for 10 yards and burrow through the ball out the back of the end zone.
00:09:19
I mean, that's how bad of a pass it was.
00:09:21
I mean, yes, it was like 40 yard pass, but he threw it right out the back of the end zone.
00:09:25
All he had to do was be able to drop it anywhere inside the field of play, for the receiver to catch it, and he couldn't do it and he wasn't under pressure.
00:09:34
He just threw the football.
00:09:35
He over threw it.
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I'm a little worried in that situation.
00:09:39
You don't go by, Um, bye bye.
00:09:43
You know how much of a connection that's? That's simple throwing it in the field of play, you know? And he's been playing on the same field his whole life.
00:09:51
College football fields are not any different than the NFL football fields.
00:09:55
He knows the dimensions of the field.
00:09:57
He knows where, how how to place footballs if he can't place it inside the field of play than there is a problem.
00:10:05
So that's That's the one thing that I'm a little bit worried about now.
00:10:08
It could have been jitters.
00:10:10
Hey, had I think about five passes that he attempted over 20 yards, all of them incomplete, every single one of them, three of them were terrible.
00:10:21
Overthrows too, too wide open wide receivers.
00:10:23
And the rest of them just weren't very accurate.
00:10:26
Lawrence? Yes? Can you go on slack and send an invite, please? Joe, you weren't supposed to be on tonight. It was Adam.
00:10:33
The schedule is wrong, but you might as well stay on.
00:10:35
Can you can get out of in here.
00:10:37
I mean, all right.
00:10:38
Okay. Give me a moment.
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Let me Let me.
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He is listening intently.
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He is listening intently.
00:10:51
Yeah.
00:10:52
The calendar said the three of us.
00:10:54
No wonder Joe was so confused of why he was supposed to be on tonight.
00:10:57
I have to check the schedule.
00:10:58
The schedule has you.
00:11:00
The schedule has you on tonight as we publicly air our laundry.
00:11:04
Everybody, it's fine.
00:11:06
That's why we're the pros, man.
00:11:08
We're brand new schedule, everybody, and there's a little bit of a mix up.
00:11:11
It's no big deal.
00:11:12
I'm gonna leave Adam sitting right there on the bottom, watching while he screams and beats on the screen.
00:11:20
All right, here we go.
00:11:21
There he is.
00:11:22
I, um I apologize.
00:11:25
I did not see you on that.
00:11:27
You weren't on the schedule.
00:11:28
You weren't on our schedule at all.
00:11:29
No, I know it wasn't.
00:11:32
Why? Like my finger? My favorite part is that Joe is filling in for me right now.
00:11:39
Yeah, my presence was actually possibly knocking out Joe.
00:11:43
I told you all Gladly, Leaf, you know.
00:11:46
Well, no, I like Joe.
00:11:47
Joe is like, I'm not on tonight, right? I'm like, Well, according to the calendar I got today, you are It's me, you and Lawrence O s.
00:11:54
Oh, you've been watching the stream the whole time.
00:11:56
Listen, I e get intent, and I try to focus and pick up on whatever I can.
00:12:01
You were just You were just in the process of bashing Joe Burrow, and I don't mean to break in on that.
00:12:06
Oh, that's all good.
00:12:07
It's all good, Adam, how about your thoughts on last week's games looking at the Browns and the Bengals and how they played last week? Wait a minute.
00:12:17
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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This is Yes.
00:12:19
I got to talk about the Bengals, but I wasn't allowed to talk about the brown.
00:12:22
Welcome to talk about about everybody.
00:12:25
This will e This is a disaster.
00:12:29
So we're going to go and I'm cutting, Ray.
00:12:32
All right? No, listen, the hard part You were talking about Borough.
00:12:38
They're a little bit.
00:12:39
It is the weird offseason.
00:12:40
He is a rookie.
00:12:41
You don't get the training camp.
00:12:43
And there were still some bright spots there.
00:12:44
I think the big glaring stat that I caught was he was so efficient in college on the deep passes, and I, I think, was one of six, if not o of six, on his deep balls in that game.
00:12:54
So it's not.
00:12:55
It's not a red flag, but it's just a curiosity.
00:12:57
What's the difference from from college to the pros? And how are you making those adjustments? Getting those ball out on time? Go ahead, Ray.
00:13:03
Come on.
00:13:04
Okay, I'm just, you know, just mind the zero nice and then for a resource and then the other side of it for Cleveland, man, listen, you guys were starting to say to It's like one of the most mind boggling teams. They're inconsistent.
00:13:18
It's hard again, though.
00:13:19
You're talking about playing the Baltimore Ravens.
00:13:21
You know what their expectations are this season.
00:13:24
You understand that if you if you go inside the stat lines and you know make.
00:13:27
Baker may look bad, but how often is Odell going to catch three of 10 targets consistently week in, week out? So I'm not saying there anywhere's near being competitive in that game.
00:13:38
But when you think about this game, I have no real grip on what's going to be the case for either side of the ball right now.
00:13:45
I think there's a lot at least upside and promise for the Bangles.
00:13:48
And then the Cleveland Browns.
00:13:49
Maybe expectations were just set too high, even going to last year and now coming to this season, you're really in a weird state of not knowing what either one of these teams are.
00:13:57
The expectations for the Cleveland Browns this season will show up.
00:14:01
But you know what, though? Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna knock the Browns, and I'm gonna knock Stefanski the way same way I knocked.
00:14:07
The guy's name already forgot.
00:14:08
But in Cincinnati, everybody else before the season started loved this too. Fancy hiring.
00:14:14
I was the one guy that said I didn't like it, and I got crucified for it.
00:14:17
I just wanna put crucified you.
00:14:19
Ah, lot of people did not here.
00:14:21
Not in here But we said we weren't sure about the fans key.
00:14:24
We had to see.
00:14:25
But Kareem Hunt average 5.
00:14:28
5 yards per carry against Baltimore.
00:14:31
Baltimore, Who's a good run defense team.
00:14:34
Okay, 72 yards on 13 rushes.
00:14:37
Nick Chubb.
00:14:38
Six yards per carry, 60 yards on 10 carries.
00:14:43
They ran the ball 23 times between the two of them again.
00:14:48
30 times, at least when you have those kind of weapons.
00:14:51
Now again.
00:14:52
As I said to Joe last night in a separate podcast, Baltimore put them in a position that they couldn't run anymore.
00:14:59
They had to throw the football.
00:15:00
But you're playing the Baltimore Ravens.
00:15:03
You know what Lamar Jackson is gonna do to you? You know what he's gonna do with those tight ends? Joe has predicted that Brown is gonna run.
00:15:10
1000 is gonna catch 1000 yards this year. It could happen.
00:15:13
So you have to respect that.
00:15:16
You pound the football.
00:15:18
You keep Lamar Jackson on the sideline.
00:15:20
You got guys that are picking up positive yards.
00:15:23
The Bengals don't run Joe Mixon, the brown sparingly run Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb in my eyes.
00:15:32
Those air three of the top 10 running backs in the NFL and none of them.
00:15:36
I don't think mixing hit 15 carries yesterday.
00:15:39
Did he? Or last week? Did he? I don't believe so, but your clothes, but you're talking.
00:15:45
But what I'm saying is you're talking.
00:15:47
Mixing gave you 19 for 69 last 19 under under 20 runs under 20 carries for all three top you know, three of the top 10 and under 15 for cream hopping. Nick shop.
00:16:00
Come on, man, you're playing Lamar Jackson.
00:16:02
Run the football today.
00:16:04
I want to sit there like I'm an old school football guy.
00:16:07
That's why I'm wearing 50 form a defense guy, an old ground and pound run the ball.
00:16:12
I like some of the trickery.
00:16:13
I like watching Lamar Jackson.
00:16:15
I like watching Cam Newton.
00:16:16
I like watching that kind of thing a smudges.
00:16:19
I loved Tom Brady and Peyton Manning era.
00:16:21
That was my most boring part of football for me.
00:16:23
Just watching guys get 500 yards a game, 1000 yards combined in the game, you know, in a 55 to 54 game.
00:16:30
I love ground and pound defensive football on tonight.
00:16:33
If both these teams want to be successful this season.
00:16:35
Protect your quarterbacks.
00:16:37
Baker is fragile.
00:16:38
Baker is a fragile quarterback now.
00:16:41
Joe Burrow has played one game in the NFL.
00:16:44
He got no pre season.
00:16:45
You don't think he's gonna be distraught over a tough loss like that? You don't think he's gonna be distraught that after throwing what 40 touchdowns a game, you can't even throw one in his opening debut? Need mental toughness in your quarterbacks? Pound the football, protect them? I'm expecting the slug fest tonight. In this game.
00:17:01
If the coaches do it right, I would go ahead.
00:17:04
Yeah, I just wanted to say something about the running.
00:17:06
Um, because I know you guys the most of their yards.
00:17:11
While Kareem Hunt did have a decent amount of yards per carry, actually, their yards came from two runs from both of them.
00:17:19
They broke off to long runs after outside Nick Chubs Long came 29 yards of his 60 s o.
00:17:28
You know, nine other carries obviously isn't gonna be as high.
00:17:31
And then Kareem Hunt had 72 yards with a long of 22.
00:17:35
So a lot of those yards, in my opinion, came from those two big runs, but But you're talking 52 yards and two runs, which means you're capable of running the ball like that.
00:17:45
You're capable of explosive runs.
00:17:46
But if you're not carrying the football, you're not gonna get them, you know, I mean, it's kind of like looking at the Giants.
00:17:51
And and And so Qanbar cling going Well, if he would have had, if he wouldn't have had that nine yard run, he would have been in the negatives.
00:17:57
Well, you know, take Sony Michelle, who averaged 3.
00:18:01
7 yards per per run.
00:18:03
But he only carried the ball 10 times, right? People like, Look, he couldn't even hit 40 Or, you know, he couldn't even average four yards again, back to the same old Sony.
00:18:12
And I said he ran in a touchdown from the one yard line.
00:18:15
That's one yards on his 10th yard.
00:18:17
That's what knocked him into 3.7.
00:18:19
You know what I mean? Don't get there about you.
00:18:23
Talk about getting into the running games.
00:18:24
If you're the Bangles in this matchup with mixing there, go around the other side there without Mac Williams without Olivier Vernon, like there's missing pieces up front for the Cleveland Browns.
00:18:34
So again, you wanna protect a young quarterback, you want to give him a chance to keep the other offense off the field.
00:18:39
Whatever you think, the risks are with Baker, Mayfield, the Cleveland Browns.
00:18:42
That's easily the best way to set your tempo.
00:18:44
But the only other thing about Baker and I'm not I have no reason to be in defense of him.
00:18:50
You go back and as a giant sky like I'll go back to that draft class and we all know everyone flips around, says, Well, the first guy I'll take is Lamar Jackson, right, everybody.
00:18:57
Everybody flips over that from a quarterback perspective.
00:18:59
But now, when you go down that line of Baker, Mayfield and Sam Donald and then you get Josh Allen and Josh Rosen, you know, all of a sudden quarterbacks look a lot different.
00:19:09
Ah, year later.
00:19:10
Two years later, the Onley defensive Baker Mayfield is that he's had new head coaches, new offensive coordinators every single year of his career.
00:19:17
So, you know, someone mentioned earlier today on neighbors NFL, You know, NFL Channel there about you kinda have toe maybe treat him as a borderline rookie this year, and you hate to do that.
00:19:28
And usually Year three is when you want to see the biggest leap of growth.
00:19:31
But you probably have to accept that he's still learning new terminology, still trying to familiarize himself with the system.
00:19:37
And then you also don't know what is the state of an O.
00:19:39
B.
00:19:40
J does.
00:19:41
Does everyone on this team want to be a part of this team because Cleveland a very easy place to check out on to make their fragile team.
00:19:47
And I'm worried about Baker, the other guys outside of Chubb, like they're in the sort of mid of their career, you know what I mean? Baker is a make or break, And you know what? I'm gonna throw something out here for a second because that was the sick.
00:19:57
Want Barkley auras? Well, right when the Giants took sick on the same draft.
00:20:01
Think about how different Baker made feels life could have been because the Cleveland Browns were heavily considering taking Squam Barkley in the first round or a first.
00:20:12
Overall, there was a trade in place between the New York Giants and the New England Patriots.
00:20:20
If they take sick Juan.
00:20:22
The trade was made, and the Patriots take Baker Mayfield to replace Tom Brady.
00:20:27
And yet this poor kid has just been third coach.
00:20:31
He's fragile, and I Adam, I think you I never put it this way, but I thought about it this way.
00:20:36
But I think you nailed it on the head.
00:20:37
Treat him like a rookie and protect this kid.
00:20:40
You got the running game to do it, protect him and treat it.
00:20:44
Let it let him build some confidence this season.
00:20:46
So you guys think that he's kind of had the Josh Rosen treatment? No.
00:20:50
Except traded around right? And Josh Rosen Josh Rosen.
00:20:55
By all accounts, Baker Mayfield is good, you know, good in the in the film room. Good with the team.
00:21:00
Everybody likes Josh Rosen's failure.
00:21:02
He's more probably, maybe more naturally, gifted them a lot of guys.
00:21:04
His failure is that he thinks that he's already there, that he's already arrived.
00:21:08
And when you go from being on the Cardinals now, you can then say coaching change.
00:21:11
Okay, we're gonna move away from this guy, want my guy, I wanna get Kyler Murray, and fine, you go to Miami you can't get over Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that's plain and simple, because maybe apples to apples the product is gonna be the same with that team around you.
00:21:23
But everybody in the locker room, like Ryan Fitzpatrick, you trust him.
00:21:26
Everyone's gonna go through a wall, all the, you know, clean Chase.
00:21:29
You wanna throw out there better? Where's Josh Rosen? They were talking about Giants fans were absurdly saying that the Giant should be taking a flyer on Josh Rosen when Miami was trying to get him out of there.
00:21:39
This guy is.
00:21:40
He has to move into career back of mode and hold for the opportunity behind someone else, maybe through injury that he could get himself in.
00:21:46
Their Indianapolis Colts might be a great spot for him to end up at some point along the way.
00:21:50
Veteran quarterback is ready to move on in the next couple of years, but he's not.
00:21:54
He's not Baker Mayfield, even, but I'm gonna throw it.
00:21:57
The with Josh Rosen is, there's There's a few places I would like to see him show up and believe it or not, the Giants are one of those teams because I believe in Joe judge there.
00:22:07
And that's not just because he's a former Patriots, because I saw how he treated for some reason in the Patriots, when you want to talk about egos or on the special teams.
00:22:17
Andi, that was his his forte the Giants, the Patriots, the Ravens, the Steelers or the Colts because to me, not Kansas City, because he knows he never has a chance.
00:22:33
But to me, that's the stable coaching that this kid needs. You.
00:22:38
What? I mean, John, he needs.
00:22:39
He needs to sit behind Lamar with John Harbaugh.
00:22:42
He needs to sit behind Cam Newton with Bill Belichick.
00:22:45
He needs something.
00:22:46
He needs stability in his life.
00:22:48
He needs to be knocked down three pegs and you need the almost treat him like a puppy and start building him back.
00:22:55
Have a Vegas? No, not group.
00:22:58
And Gruden's awful with E.
00:23:02
When you talk about just getting Josh Rosen a wake up call, I don't think he's going to go in.
00:23:07
You know those guys that just even those kind of coaches, right where you get in there, the guy goes, Listen, I'm perfectly fine telling you that you're you're awful, that's what.
00:23:13
But Gruden is not good with young.
00:23:15
Gruden likes veterans, right, because they're a little more grizzle that could take a little bit more grooms a little bit different.
00:23:21
That's the only reason.
00:23:22
But I would say even the Chargers with with With Anthony, you know what I mean.
00:23:26
Just some sort of stability.
00:23:29
Uh, so I wanted to go back to the Browns.
00:23:32
If you don't mind, it's it's It's an issue that I've had with their offense that I've had ever since they traded for O. B J.
00:23:40
In that the type of office we should be seeing.
00:23:44
Coming from this Cleveland Browns team to me is kind of like what the Titans wanna do, right? Just run the ball and then hit play action.
00:23:52
That's it.
00:23:53
Those air literally Only thing. Two things you do.
00:23:55
The problem is, since you have Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb, not only do you need to give them carries to get them established in the running game, you also have to give the ball to Odell Beckham Jr.
00:24:05
Which is partly why I wasn't a big fan of every Ravens fan wanted him on the team.
00:24:09
I didn't like the idea, Um, you have to give the ball Toby J.
00:24:13
Because if not, you're gonna hear it from him.
00:24:15
You know, and Baker himself knows I have to get it. Toby J.
00:24:19
He's one of the most athletic players on the team, but the problem is you get into situations where you throw it to him 10 times.
00:24:25
He's dropping balls.
00:24:26
You're forcing it to him.
00:24:28
You have Jarvis Landry again.
00:24:30
It zits an embarrassment of riches.
00:24:33
The problem is they have too many targets that they have to spread around.
00:24:36
They added Austin Cooper.
00:24:37
To me, it's just too many for Baker toe handle.
00:24:40
To be honest with you, I think a little overwhelmed, I would agree with you.
00:24:44
Walking around with two number ones could be an issue, right having to number one because they're both gonna wanna be fed.
00:24:50
Austin Hooper is a little bit more of a humble guy that doesn't have to be targeted five or six times, But he'll he'll want his couple.
00:24:57
You wanna be fed a little bit.
00:24:58
Three.
00:24:59
Only good thing about a tight end is you could excite them and run blocking, right, because they get to be physical.
00:25:03
Uh, I think you're right on Hooper, too, because you could just wait when you get your spots.
00:25:07
You feel great about your capitalized on it.
00:25:09
The problem with LBJ is man, and this is they're talking about.
00:25:11
The idea of, you know, could be on the trade market.
00:25:13
What could you see happen with him, remember, 27 28 years old like and I know the flash flash flash brilliance, right? He's not Davante Adams.
00:25:22
He's not nuke like you know what I mean? There is not a game where Hopkins gets 10 targets and comes up with three.
00:25:30
Do I think that that's a trend for back of No.
00:25:32
But the fact that you're capable of it also then to your point, Joe, it's like So now I'm focusing on you, and I'm not necessarily getting a return on it.
00:25:40
And we have enough talent here.
00:25:42
There's enough talent on the offensive side of the ball for Cleveland that they don't need a nodal.
00:25:45
You could if you could trade him now and get back other pieces to make you a little bit stronger.
00:25:50
Get back draft picks next year.
00:25:52
You would probably see especially for the growth off.
00:25:55
Ah Baker Mayfield because even at the back end of Eli Manning's career, he felt the pressure to target O B J a lot.
00:26:01
He felt it necessary.
00:26:02
Thio almost forcible into him, especially deep in the red zone.
00:26:05
So you know, you move away from a number one star receiver like that and all of sudden Baker, Mayfield start saying, Okay, it's a sum of my parts.
00:26:11
You still have Landry, by the way.
00:26:13
So you got Landrieu got Hooper.
00:26:14
You've got these two backs.
00:26:15
Hunt can catch it out of the backfield as well.
00:26:17
I I think, for the best balance and development of the team.
00:26:20
Overall, it makes sense to get away from true number one, unless they are those elite of the elite.
00:26:26
There's Onley, two or three of those that come around every 10 years.
00:26:29
There's one team Odell Beckham Jr will work on, and I'm wearing the jersey of that team because you got to go to a team.
00:26:35
You know, you got to go to a team where they don't care what your name is.
00:26:38
Yeah, you do need a receiver so well by the receiver and they said, Oh, hi, Randy, How are you I mean, this is a team that has cut.
00:26:46
Now he knows for different reasons, but has cut Josh Gordon traded away to marry.
00:26:50
Is Thomas cut? Antonio Brown traded away.
00:26:54
Randy Moss.
00:26:55
What? I mean, Bill Belichick is not afraid when a guy is not working to run his ass out of town, right? It's just it is what it is.
00:27:01
And if you want to go flash on flash now, you pair him with Cam Newton, right? A guy with a personality.
00:27:06
And if you get those two together, then maybe they get toe.
00:27:08
Have enough fun, you know, off the field pregame, even during the game where you get that little bit.
00:27:14
But you have. You have to satisfy him and I'm not.
00:27:16
It's always the funny thing about any player, not just O.
00:27:18
B. J, but guys that have personalities or egos.
00:27:20
That's all right.
00:27:21
There's nothing wrong with that is there's nothing he's ever been in off the field issue.
00:27:24
But you need to to your point right with Josh Rosen or any of these key type of players, you gotta find the right place for him with the right head coach with right system the team that's ascending, not the Giants, when they're muddling and going trending down.
00:27:36
Not the Cleveland Browns, who have been chaos for decades, right? Like the New England Patriots.
00:27:40
Even Ah, Baltimore Ravens.
00:27:42
Joe, though you may not want him there, you know you got stability, right? Like, you know, when you come in there, there's an expectation.
00:27:48
And if it doesn't work out, well, move off of you because we've had success and we're not.
00:27:52
We're not held to needing you to change our franchise trajectory.
00:27:56
Yeah, and horrible would let him know immediately.
00:27:58
Right? That's why I think he would fit.
00:28:01
You need a coach like that, though.
00:28:02
And I'm even thinking Reich in in Indy would be a fit.
00:28:05
Now, I don't know by rock, you know, that was Rivers, not with Rivers O B O B.
00:28:11
J.
00:28:12
Would be having a fit, you know, because that balls are the balls are gonna make it.
00:28:14
It's just not Couldn't quite get there.
00:28:17
I don't know.
00:28:18
Rivers through Ah, 45 yard pass.
00:28:20
That was pretty accurate last last week.
00:28:22
Here's the thing that I want to talk about. Okay.
00:28:26
Lawrence, I forgot you were here.
00:28:27
E No, I'm hosting.
00:28:29
Yeah.
00:28:30
No, seriously, you gotta, in my opinion, this season, Week one, even on many of the winning teams, you kind of got to take a flyer on those games week one.
00:28:42
All right, You're not seeing the actual team that you're gonna see later on because there is No, they don't have, ah, lot of teams with new quarterbacks or new head coaches or or, you know, different stuff.
00:28:56
They just haven't had time to practice with each other defense that have not had any kind of live hitting until this past week one.
00:29:05
So, you know, a lot of defense's look bad.
00:29:07
Bad tackling happened.
00:29:09
You're not gonna see anything until probably weak threes when you're gonna start seeing actual what you plan on seeing for the rest of the season from these NFL teams.
00:29:19
You know, Bill Belichick is famous for saying football starts after Thanksgiving because after Thanksgiving is when that's the team you're rolling with into the playoffs.
00:29:29
Anything before that is subject to change, and you go back to your point.
00:29:33
Lawrence.
00:29:34
You go back to this past week, think about a lot of the games.
00:29:35
Now there's there's some There's some flukey ones in there, like New England's Win.
00:29:39
Wow, It's good that you had Miami right with a new player in there and you expect to beat them.
00:29:43
But most of these wins in week one.
00:29:45
Where teams that are bringing back the same roster.
00:29:47
Same system, right? Cardinals now they beat, they beat the 40 Niners.
00:29:51
They're dealing with injuries.
00:29:52
They have a new receiving core there they don't have who checked out Thio down to New Orleans to play with Drew Brees manual standards, Right, you know.
00:29:59
So you're moving parts away.
00:30:01
You have some injuries, you talk about Kansas City comes out now, you expect him to be Houston.
00:30:05
But Houston also traded away their number one right receiver, brought into running back who had some success for Johnson.
00:30:10
But still, these are all you know, the team that didn't face moving parts that don't have new coaches even, you know, as a giant sky.
00:30:16
I actually took away a lot of positives there about that, but at the same time, you gotta let to your point, Lawrence, give me a week to give me a week three and by I always say, by quarters, right four weeks into the season, I'll have a pretty good sense of where the holes are in certain teams and where they can have success.
00:30:32
Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:34
So let's talk about the game tonight.
00:30:35
Since we're Yeah, I was actually gonna ask a question about, say, if the Browns lose this game, is it time to push the panic button? And if yes, what does that mean? What does pushing the panic button mean? I don't think that I think the panic button is Oh my God, they're falling apart.
00:30:57
I mean, maybe you move on from O.
00:30:59
B.
00:31:00
J and try to go with just drivers. Landry is your number one.
00:31:02
I don't think Cleveland has a choice, but to go for it this year and deal with whatever the record is, they should be super like going for the Super Bowl.
00:31:11
Right? There should be the baker in the rookie contract.
00:31:14
They have all the talent around them.
00:31:15
They should be going Super Bowl.
00:31:17
There should be the year that we're sitting there going Well, it's this year, next year or they're not going to get there.
00:31:23
You know what I mean? Like, this is a win.
00:31:24
It now it's not getting there.
00:31:26
And again, I don't My whole thing is, at the end of the day, if you said Ray, who do you blame in Cleveland? I go everybody.
00:31:34
It's not on Baker completely, you know? I mean, it's the Browns because it's on everybody and it's not on anybody.
00:31:42
You know what I mean? It's it's just a colossal.
00:31:44
It starts with ownership.
00:31:45
You guys know my feelings on ownership, at least you to our Adam hasn't heard yet, but I got a big problem with Brown's ownership, and that's where it starts.
00:31:52
And it's been a mess ever since.
00:31:53
And he said, Panic Button.
00:31:55
I just think it will be the quiet thing behind the scenes, right? If you lose this game now, you're going to You're in that division, you know, you're not, you know you're losing grabbed in a hurry.
00:32:03
You just start to say, Hey, when a team comes knocking about O B.
00:32:05
J, Of course, we're gonna listen.
00:32:07
If a team comes looking for, I don't even know what Olivier Vernon's value really is at this point in his career.
00:32:11
But if they come knocking yeah, I jettison for a late round pick, and you just slowly slowly give yourself another handful of assets.
00:32:17
You're gonna have to play this string out, but you're you're still built around that running back, this quarterback.
00:32:22
You know, you got in some offensive lineman, so, yeah, you're going to play the string out.
00:32:26
I think it's gonna be a, you know, a death by 1000 paper cuts as opposed to this sweeping motion of cleaning house under new head coach.
00:32:32
They're gonna keep pushing for it, right? As long as they feel they can.
00:32:36
What if somebody? What if somebody comes for Landry? Yeah.
00:32:39
You let him go to? Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:41
I don't think I don't think there's nobody on this roster shy of saying we're still committed to Baker Mayfield in a new system.
00:32:47
I don't think there's anybody that's off limits.
00:32:49
And they make you say Nick Chubb too, you know. Yeah.
00:32:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:54
But on the offensive side of the ball, the receiving those two receivers, you know, Listen again, mid mid to late twenties, if you're contending team and you have more value to everyone else but us if we're losing games, I want to say that earlier in the off season.
00:33:09
Baker Mayfield made a statement and said, We're going to ignore all reporters and just keep our head down and focus on winning the game.
00:33:18
And I said, That's all well and good until you get your first loss, then how you gonna handle it? And I just want to say that this stream right here is specifically talking about how o.
00:33:33
B.
00:33:34
J.
00:33:35
Is reacting to how TV ****ysis and reporters is talking about how bad he waas alright and was about LBJ is that you almost saw him get to that level that you saw him in New York with when he was fighting the kicking.
00:33:50
That man like it will got to that level.
00:33:52
He was You could see it in his face.
00:33:54
He was getting that heated.
00:33:55
So I don't know.
00:33:57
I'm gonna be honest with you, though I love that kind of passionate of all, and I always have.
00:34:03
You just need someone who can harness it.
00:34:05
By the way, when the Giants chose to move off of them, you know, there's probably offers coming around from a lot of different places, like I don't know if the Giants felt compelled to, But it was Yeah.
00:34:16
Guess what.
00:34:17
Go die out there in Cleveland, you know, I mean, you you heard the story, right? There was a trade done Odell to the Patriots two years ago.
00:34:26
And then the Giants sat back and went, Wait a minute.
00:34:29
Bill Belichick wants him.
00:34:32
Maybe we need to reconsider this and and re and reneged on the deal.
00:34:36
But it was done.
00:34:37
The deal was done.
00:34:38
Odell was coming in New England, and and by the way, his history.
00:34:41
It looks a lot different now.
00:34:42
He probably he probably is up there with Hopkins is probably one of the prolific receivers in the league.
00:34:45
Because again, no nonsense.
00:34:47
Good quarterback in Tom Brady.
00:34:48
A great quarterback in Tom Brady for the number of years.
00:34:52
Yeah, that was good then.
00:34:53
Yeah, it would have been good. Quarterback Tom Brady.
00:34:55
Good.
00:34:56
Ray is like the biggest Brady hater Patriot fan I've ever better.
00:34:58
Better So now I've been better with Brady since Garoppolo got traded.
00:35:02
Just everybody knows this isn't anything new for me.
00:35:04
All right? So the Bengals and Browns, who's winning and why I gotta go with Cleveland.
00:35:11
They need a bounce back way more than the bend.
00:35:13
The Bengals don't need to win this season.
00:35:15
They'll be competitive, but they don't need to win the Bengal or the Browns need toe win.
00:35:20
Um, hopefully everybody else, including Odell, gets it together.
00:35:25
I hope they're going to run the football.
00:35:27
They're gonna try to take advantage of that.
00:35:29
I think Miles Garrett's gonna be all over young Borough tonight.
00:35:32
I'm going the Browns.
00:35:34
Joe.
00:35:36
Yes.
00:35:37
So it's funny, because yesterday I I went with the Bengals just because I wanted to get a little debate with Ray.
00:35:42
But that's my heart because I love borough.
00:35:45
I'm a big borough guy.
00:35:46
I support Borough.
00:35:48
But my gut and my heart in my mind are telling me to pick the Browns because they need this win.
00:35:53
They absolutely should when they are the better team.
00:35:56
Um, you know Myles Garrett should be ableto handle that offensive line.
00:36:00
They were getting tourney up by Joey Bosa and that Chargers pass rush.
00:36:06
So, Miles, If Myles Garrett doesn't have at least a sack in this game, at least two, it's a little concerning for that Brown's defense because they need somebody to show up.
00:36:15
Um, yeah, I'm going to say the Browns, they need to win this game.
00:36:20
Men and I think that they will. They should.
00:36:22
They should.
00:36:23
Silver lining for Baker Mayfield is if o.
00:36:26
B J catches seven of those 10 targets, he's almost a 62% completion.
00:36:30
Right? Looks a lot better than what he's dangling down there in the low fifties, so that's technically something you could hang your hat on it everything about it says that that Cleveland should come out and win this game, right? So that makes me think that they're not going thio.
00:36:44
You talk about the defensive defensive injuries they have up front there.
00:36:47
I think that if Cincinnati is playing this smart, you got a nice little taste of borough in the week.
00:36:52
One to your point, right? Go go through mixing, start there and build out.
00:36:56
Guess what A. J. Green.
00:36:58
I picked him up quietly at the back end of my fantasy draft, and he looks like even with that offensive pass interference in the end zone for that little toe tap, he looks like he's gonna be, you know, capable of doing what he did pre injury.
00:37:08
So you have weapons there? If you could control the tempo enough and keep Baker in that offense mitigated and specifically through chub and through Hunt.
00:37:16
I think they have a real shot for it, and there's nothing so far going back to last year.
00:37:20
That tells me that Cleveland, with everything they have on this roster, is actually is good as they're supposed to be.
00:37:25
So I'll take Bangles in the Ohio upset of it.
00:37:29
All right, so here's my thing.
00:37:34
Yes, the Bengals offensive line was awful.
00:37:37
Borough was really bad throwing the football beyond five yards in the air.
00:37:42
I mean, really bad escape.
00:37:45
Uh, but something I want to say.
00:37:48
He didn't have a turnover.
00:37:49
He did not have any interceptions.
00:37:51
And I'm telling you that if he continues to have this kind of inaccuracy against Ward and that secondary for the for the Browns, there's going to be turnovers.
00:38:01
I promise you, I just I don't have faith in that Bengals offensive line.
00:38:07
I think the Browns are gonna straight up.
00:38:09
Do ah what Pittsburgh did a lot last week and that I think they're gonna blitz the heck out of this Bengals.
00:38:19
It's going to start off with a run blitz just to get toe mixing in the backfield.
00:38:24
And then if mixing doesn't have the ball borough butter have wheels on, That's all I've got to say, because I think, yeah, because I think he's gonna be running for his life the majority of this 46 yards on the ground last week so he can run.
00:38:37
He's got the wheels, that touchdown run he had without 20 yard touchdown that was gorgeous for his life.
00:38:43
He'll be right.
00:38:44
It will be running for his life.
00:38:47
Garrett is coming.
00:38:48
But, hey, Olivier, Vernon is not playing tonight.
00:38:51
So that could maybe give that Bengals old line a little bit of a break.
00:38:54
But like I said, if they're smart, they're gonna line up Garrett against Bobby Hart and just let him go to town.
00:39:01
Former Giants, that zero success on that side.
00:39:03
I wanna thank every 40 minutes, guys.
00:39:07
A little bit longer than we expected for 20 for May.
00:39:11
I don't know what you're doing.
00:39:13
This all right? 7.
00:39:15
70 people watching live.
00:39:17
I want to thank Adam for joining me here on SportsCastr.
00:39:20
Oh, Mary remembers Keith McPherson is on here.
00:39:25
Aims 22 summers and a Knick fan.
00:39:30
This dude, All these guys watching live on SportsCastr.
00:39:34
But we got 71 people watching live.
00:39:37
Uh, hey, Adam.
00:39:39
What should they do? Obviously, I didn't name off 70 people.
00:39:43
They gotta make profile so they can actually interact with us.
00:39:47
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00:39:57
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00:40:06
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It takes, like, two seconds you log in and then you could be officially chatting up and telling me how insane I am for taking the Bangles tonight over the prince.
00:40:19
Yeah, Or if you want to hear Adam have ridiculous takes about my boy ****y P.
00:40:23
You can do that as well when he covers the MBA.
00:40:25
So it Z we'll save it for another time.
00:40:31
We'll save people in Toronto.
00:40:33
Not happy with you, Adam.
00:40:34
Way got the second for what's the big deal? What's the big deal? Right? What's that? What's the problem? ****y P is a god**** hero here.
00:40:43
Okay? With that, we're gonna let you go.
00:40:48
Thanks, everybody, for joining.
00:40:50
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00:40:51
Thank you, Adam. Thank you, Joe.
00:40:53
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00:40:55
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Browns’ Odell Beckham Jr. speaks out against doubters and TV analysts

Cleveland Browns star wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is known to be a player that isn’t afraid to express his emotions on or off of the field. Ahead of his Week 2 hame with the Browns, Beckham spoke out against everyone that criticizes him, including analysts. Per Nate Ulrich in the Akron Beacon Journal: “I […]

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What a way to start, right? A big ball, right? Real professionals, That's what we are.
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That's partially on me.
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Big bucks.
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I'm just going to assume that we're alive.
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What's up, everybody? I'm Lawrence on for SportsCastr news.
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And today it's Thursday Night Football.
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And with me is Ray Route and Joe New Bow to go over this game right here.
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And what better game? You can't think of two better teams toe actually watch on Thursday night.
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But how than the powerful, powerful uh, Cincinnati Bengals and the Cleveland Browns, two teams that last week had quarterbacks Toe absolutely showed out and just I'm sorry.
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I must have been watching different games.
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Um, looked as good as the Indianapolis Colts last week.
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Oh, come on, Philip Rivers at 360 yards passing on 80% completions.
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Um, so I just want to say I did not get a chance to watch the Ravens uh, Browns game, but I wasn't too worried about it.
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I wasn't too worried about it because I knew I had a guy here that most definitely watch the Ravens and Browns game.
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Okay, so he'll give us a little bit of a Brown's breakdown.
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Now I did in detail in all 22 film.
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Watch the Bengals game against the Chargers.
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All right? And I did that right before we came online.
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And I'm gonna tell you, Ray, you may, you may have hit it dead on the head early in the season, Joe Burrow might be a bust.
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Joe the Bust bird after one game, Joe Burrow is a bust when he led his team on a two minute drive with which established quarterbacks can't even do.
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All right, let me explain something to you, Joe.
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With six minutes left in the third quarter, Joe Burrow had yet to make an air pass of five yards orm or in the game, every past that he had thrown beyond that beyond five yards was an overthrow.
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Every single pass.
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He had a whole six passes the entire game of five yards or more.
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One off 15.
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Okay, Okay.
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The only time that he had good rhythm with his team was that final drive that you're talking about.
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And he made a That's where half of his five yards or more passes in air passes were completed.
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And that's what matters is on the table that lead your team down the field and lose did.
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And he put them in a chance.
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You lead them down the field and lose.
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They should.
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I'll tell you what, though.
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I'm not gonna drop it all on Borough because yes, I understand that he's new to the NFL.
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And a lot of that had had to do with, uh, he's only had a month to really get to know the team, the playbook, all that stuff.
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Uh, the offensive line for Cincinnati was God awful. Joey Bosa.
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Jerry Tillery was in the backfield almost every play.
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Joe Burrow was running for his life.
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Half the time.
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There was a couple runs that he looked at that touchdown run that he had was a thing of beauty.
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It was I'm not going to say it wasn't he can run like crazy.
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Ray.
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What do you think? Your thoughts on the game from last week? The Bengals game.
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Okay, so I saw very little of the Bengals game will be honest with you guys. I watch.
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I didn't even watch the extended highlights.
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I watched the shortened highlights.
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Um, you know the six minute package or whatever it may be, Um, look, the, uh, you have Joe Mixon.
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You just paid Joe Mixon.
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Ah, whole ton of money.
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You've got a young quarterback who's playing his first game in the NFL, and it's not even a preseason game.
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It's Week one, and he's playing his first thing.
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Not only that, he's playing in his hometown on top of playing in his hometown.
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He's also in a situation where he has all the pressure in the world of being the first overall draft pick.
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Also, I heard rumors on Sunday that he watches sports Caster news and heard that this Ray guy was calling him a bust all off season, so he wanted to prove me wrong.
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I can't I don't know the coach's name of Cincinnati.
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You guys got that off the top of your head.
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What's up? Zach Taylor, second year coach, right, second year head coach, made a crucial mistake.
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You've got Joe Burrow starting the first game.
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I don't care if you are playing the Chargers.
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I don't care if you are playing a Little League team down the road or Pop Warner team down the road.
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You've got Joe mixing.
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You pound that football, protect Joe Burrow, All right, I look, I tongue in cheek called Joe Burrow a bust because I made a comment that I said he had bust written all over him and that if I was gonna predict who has the best chance of being a bus, that's who it is.
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Joe down there ran with that for six months, so I'm gonna now own it, even though it's not my words.
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But let's get away from that for a second.
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Whether it's Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Cam Newton, whoever first game of the year.
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First overall pick.
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Protect your quarterback.
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Especially when you know how bad your offensive line is.
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Hand that ball off to Joe Mixon.
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Pound the football.
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Let Joe Burrow adjust to the NFL.
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The guy didn't get a preseason game.
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Let's not forget that if he got three or four preseason games, I might be talking a little bit different in saying Borough, you've You've seen the NFL.
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You played Week three.
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You played starters.
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This is on you. Is your first game.
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Protect him.
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Ridiculous.
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I think what mixing got like 10 or 12 carries or something ridiculous.
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He should be carrying the ball 2025 times.
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One thing.
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One stat to note.
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Joe Mixon had his first fumble since his rookie year, the first time since 2017 that he had fumbled the football and it was really off of, Ah, great hit in the backfield on Joe Mixon.
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So I just want to admit that, but whatever, Uh, Joe, what do you think about the Browns and their game against the Ravens? Now? I understand where this is not about the Ravens, by the way.
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Joe, we're talking about the Brown.
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Specifically, uh, I wanted to circle back to the Bengals, man.
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It's pretty much what Ray said.
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You know, if if he had actually gotten some time in the preseason, if he got to play some of those games and he put out that type of performance, then maybe I would be a little more worried about Joe Burrow.
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But this was literally his first NFL game, you know, um, talk about a new system.
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This is a new league for Joe Burrow, so I am not at all concerned, You know, again, you take the rookie growing pains that UK Hey, Lamar Jackson's first pre season game was the Hall of Fame game against the I think the Bears, if I'm not mistaken and he looked bad, he looked terrible.
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So, you know, you just expect that from these rookies.
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That's how it is.
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S O.
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I am not at all concerned about Joe Burrow.
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I think he'll be fine.
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But for the Browns, Um, you know, I mean, plain and simple. They are the Browns.
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They are the Cleveland Browns, as as they've been, um, it's it's been issues, um, for for the past 20 years, but yeah.
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So my concern about the Browns is not that they can't win this game because they absolutely should win this game against the Bengals.
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They are clearly the better team.
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And if you were to do something like a mad and simulation, the Browns would clearly beat the Bengals like 100 times out of 100.
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Right? But this is the real life Cleveland Browns that we're talking about.
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If they come out playing like they were last week against my Baltimore Ravens, it's not gonna be pretty for them.
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And then the Joe Burrow will put the NFL world on notice because the Brown secondary was playing terribly.
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Now they're dealing with a lot of injuries.
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Um, but I mean, Lamar, when he's on point and accurate going up against a weaker secondary like the Browns were playing, it's not gonna be a good day for you.
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So if this Brown secondary does not show up against this Bangles offense, which I've been saying all offseason, have a very good wide receiving corps then And if Baker Mayfield continues to play the way he has played last week and over the past season, um, you know, then the Browns.
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They're gonna disappoint once again, and I don't know what they're what they're going to do after this, because this is absolutely a game that they should win.
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They are at home on Thursday night.
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There's no way that they should lose this game, however it could happen.
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Man.
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I like Joe Burrow, man.
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I'm hoping that he has this breakout game.
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The only worry that I have is there were to place that he had.
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Joe Burrow had wide open receivers for touchdowns, one of which there wasn't anyone a defender within him for 10 yards and burrow through the ball out the back of the end zone.
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I mean, that's how bad of a pass it was.
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I mean, yes, it was like 40 yard pass, but he threw it right out the back of the end zone.
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All he had to do was be able to drop it anywhere inside the field of play, for the receiver to catch it, and he couldn't do it and he wasn't under pressure.
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He just threw the football.
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He over threw it.
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I'm a little worried in that situation.
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You don't go by, Um, bye bye.
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You know how much of a connection that's? That's simple throwing it in the field of play, you know? And he's been playing on the same field his whole life.
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College football fields are not any different than the NFL football fields.
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He knows the dimensions of the field.
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He knows where, how how to place footballs if he can't place it inside the field of play than there is a problem.
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So that's That's the one thing that I'm a little bit worried about now.
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It could have been jitters.
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Hey, had I think about five passes that he attempted over 20 yards, all of them incomplete, every single one of them, three of them were terrible.
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Overthrows too, too wide open wide receivers.
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And the rest of them just weren't very accurate.
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Lawrence? Yes? Can you go on slack and send an invite, please? Joe, you weren't supposed to be on tonight. It was Adam.
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The schedule is wrong, but you might as well stay on.
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Can you can get out of in here.
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I mean, all right.
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Okay. Give me a moment.
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Let me Let me.
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He is listening intently.
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He is listening intently.
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Yeah.
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The calendar said the three of us.
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No wonder Joe was so confused of why he was supposed to be on tonight.
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I have to check the schedule.
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The schedule has you.
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The schedule has you on tonight as we publicly air our laundry.
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Everybody, it's fine.
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That's why we're the pros, man.
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We're brand new schedule, everybody, and there's a little bit of a mix up.
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It's no big deal.
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I'm gonna leave Adam sitting right there on the bottom, watching while he screams and beats on the screen.
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All right, here we go.
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There he is.
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I, um I apologize.
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I did not see you on that.
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You weren't on the schedule.
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You weren't on our schedule at all.
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No, I know it wasn't.
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Why? Like my finger? My favorite part is that Joe is filling in for me right now.
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Yeah, my presence was actually possibly knocking out Joe.
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I told you all Gladly, Leaf, you know.
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Well, no, I like Joe.
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Joe is like, I'm not on tonight, right? I'm like, Well, according to the calendar I got today, you are It's me, you and Lawrence O s.
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Oh, you've been watching the stream the whole time.
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Listen, I e get intent, and I try to focus and pick up on whatever I can.
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You were just You were just in the process of bashing Joe Burrow, and I don't mean to break in on that.
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Oh, that's all good.
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It's all good, Adam, how about your thoughts on last week's games looking at the Browns and the Bengals and how they played last week? Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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This is Yes.
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I got to talk about the Bengals, but I wasn't allowed to talk about the brown.
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Welcome to talk about about everybody.
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This will e This is a disaster.
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So we're going to go and I'm cutting, Ray.
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All right? No, listen, the hard part You were talking about Borough.
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They're a little bit.
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It is the weird offseason.
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He is a rookie.
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You don't get the training camp.
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And there were still some bright spots there.
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I think the big glaring stat that I caught was he was so efficient in college on the deep passes, and I, I think, was one of six, if not o of six, on his deep balls in that game.
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So it's not.
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It's not a red flag, but it's just a curiosity.
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What's the difference from from college to the pros? And how are you making those adjustments? Getting those ball out on time? Go ahead, Ray.
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Come on.
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Okay, I'm just, you know, just mind the zero nice and then for a resource and then the other side of it for Cleveland, man, listen, you guys were starting to say to It's like one of the most mind boggling teams. They're inconsistent.
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It's hard again, though.
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You're talking about playing the Baltimore Ravens.
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You know what their expectations are this season.
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You understand that if you if you go inside the stat lines and you know make.
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Baker may look bad, but how often is Odell going to catch three of 10 targets consistently week in, week out? So I'm not saying there anywhere's near being competitive in that game.
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But when you think about this game, I have no real grip on what's going to be the case for either side of the ball right now.
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I think there's a lot at least upside and promise for the Bangles.
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And then the Cleveland Browns.
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Maybe expectations were just set too high, even going to last year and now coming to this season, you're really in a weird state of not knowing what either one of these teams are.
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The expectations for the Cleveland Browns this season will show up.
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But you know what, though? Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna knock the Browns, and I'm gonna knock Stefanski the way same way I knocked.
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The guy's name already forgot.
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But in Cincinnati, everybody else before the season started loved this too. Fancy hiring.
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I was the one guy that said I didn't like it, and I got crucified for it.
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I just wanna put crucified you.
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Ah, lot of people did not here.
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Not in here But we said we weren't sure about the fans key.
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We had to see.
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But Kareem Hunt average 5.
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5 yards per carry against Baltimore.
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Baltimore, Who's a good run defense team.
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Okay, 72 yards on 13 rushes.
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Nick Chubb.
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Six yards per carry, 60 yards on 10 carries.
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They ran the ball 23 times between the two of them again.
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30 times, at least when you have those kind of weapons.
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Now again.
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As I said to Joe last night in a separate podcast, Baltimore put them in a position that they couldn't run anymore.
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They had to throw the football.
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But you're playing the Baltimore Ravens.
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You know what Lamar Jackson is gonna do to you? You know what he's gonna do with those tight ends? Joe has predicted that Brown is gonna run.
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1000 is gonna catch 1000 yards this year. It could happen.
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So you have to respect that.
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You pound the football.
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You keep Lamar Jackson on the sideline.
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You got guys that are picking up positive yards.
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The Bengals don't run Joe Mixon, the brown sparingly run Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb in my eyes.
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Those air three of the top 10 running backs in the NFL and none of them.
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I don't think mixing hit 15 carries yesterday.
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Did he? Or last week? Did he? I don't believe so, but your clothes, but you're talking.
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But what I'm saying is you're talking.
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Mixing gave you 19 for 69 last 19 under under 20 runs under 20 carries for all three top you know, three of the top 10 and under 15 for cream hopping. Nick shop.
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Come on, man, you're playing Lamar Jackson.
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Run the football today.
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I want to sit there like I'm an old school football guy.
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That's why I'm wearing 50 form a defense guy, an old ground and pound run the ball.
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I like some of the trickery.
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I like watching Lamar Jackson.
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I like watching Cam Newton.
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I like watching that kind of thing a smudges.
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I loved Tom Brady and Peyton Manning era.
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That was my most boring part of football for me.
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Just watching guys get 500 yards a game, 1000 yards combined in the game, you know, in a 55 to 54 game.
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I love ground and pound defensive football on tonight.
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If both these teams want to be successful this season.
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Protect your quarterbacks.
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Baker is fragile.
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Baker is a fragile quarterback now.
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Joe Burrow has played one game in the NFL.
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He got no pre season.
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You don't think he's gonna be distraught over a tough loss like that? You don't think he's gonna be distraught that after throwing what 40 touchdowns a game, you can't even throw one in his opening debut? Need mental toughness in your quarterbacks? Pound the football, protect them? I'm expecting the slug fest tonight. In this game.
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If the coaches do it right, I would go ahead.
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Yeah, I just wanted to say something about the running.
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Um, because I know you guys the most of their yards.
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While Kareem Hunt did have a decent amount of yards per carry, actually, their yards came from two runs from both of them.
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They broke off to long runs after outside Nick Chubs Long came 29 yards of his 60 s o.
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You know, nine other carries obviously isn't gonna be as high.
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And then Kareem Hunt had 72 yards with a long of 22.
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So a lot of those yards, in my opinion, came from those two big runs, but But you're talking 52 yards and two runs, which means you're capable of running the ball like that.
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You're capable of explosive runs.
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But if you're not carrying the football, you're not gonna get them, you know, I mean, it's kind of like looking at the Giants.
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And and And so Qanbar cling going Well, if he would have had, if he wouldn't have had that nine yard run, he would have been in the negatives.
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Well, you know, take Sony Michelle, who averaged 3.
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7 yards per per run.
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But he only carried the ball 10 times, right? People like, Look, he couldn't even hit 40 Or, you know, he couldn't even average four yards again, back to the same old Sony.
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And I said he ran in a touchdown from the one yard line.
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That's one yards on his 10th yard.
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That's what knocked him into 3.7.
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You know what I mean? Don't get there about you.
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Talk about getting into the running games.
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If you're the Bangles in this matchup with mixing there, go around the other side there without Mac Williams without Olivier Vernon, like there's missing pieces up front for the Cleveland Browns.
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So again, you wanna protect a young quarterback, you want to give him a chance to keep the other offense off the field.
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Whatever you think, the risks are with Baker, Mayfield, the Cleveland Browns.
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That's easily the best way to set your tempo.
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But the only other thing about Baker and I'm not I have no reason to be in defense of him.
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You go back and as a giant sky like I'll go back to that draft class and we all know everyone flips around, says, Well, the first guy I'll take is Lamar Jackson, right, everybody.
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Everybody flips over that from a quarterback perspective.
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But now, when you go down that line of Baker, Mayfield and Sam Donald and then you get Josh Allen and Josh Rosen, you know, all of a sudden quarterbacks look a lot different.
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Ah, year later.
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Two years later, the Onley defensive Baker Mayfield is that he's had new head coaches, new offensive coordinators every single year of his career.
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So, you know, someone mentioned earlier today on neighbors NFL, You know, NFL Channel there about you kinda have toe maybe treat him as a borderline rookie this year, and you hate to do that.
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And usually Year three is when you want to see the biggest leap of growth.
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But you probably have to accept that he's still learning new terminology, still trying to familiarize himself with the system.
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And then you also don't know what is the state of an O.
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B.
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J does.
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Does everyone on this team want to be a part of this team because Cleveland a very easy place to check out on to make their fragile team.
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And I'm worried about Baker, the other guys outside of Chubb, like they're in the sort of mid of their career, you know what I mean? Baker is a make or break, And you know what? I'm gonna throw something out here for a second because that was the sick.
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Want Barkley auras? Well, right when the Giants took sick on the same draft.
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Think about how different Baker made feels life could have been because the Cleveland Browns were heavily considering taking Squam Barkley in the first round or a first.
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Overall, there was a trade in place between the New York Giants and the New England Patriots.
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If they take sick Juan.
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The trade was made, and the Patriots take Baker Mayfield to replace Tom Brady.
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And yet this poor kid has just been third coach.
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He's fragile, and I Adam, I think you I never put it this way, but I thought about it this way.
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But I think you nailed it on the head.
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Treat him like a rookie and protect this kid.
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You got the running game to do it, protect him and treat it.
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Let it let him build some confidence this season.
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So you guys think that he's kind of had the Josh Rosen treatment? No.
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Except traded around right? And Josh Rosen Josh Rosen.
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By all accounts, Baker Mayfield is good, you know, good in the in the film room. Good with the team.
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Everybody likes Josh Rosen's failure.
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He's more probably, maybe more naturally, gifted them a lot of guys.
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His failure is that he thinks that he's already there, that he's already arrived.
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And when you go from being on the Cardinals now, you can then say coaching change.
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Okay, we're gonna move away from this guy, want my guy, I wanna get Kyler Murray, and fine, you go to Miami you can't get over Ryan Fitzpatrick, and that's plain and simple, because maybe apples to apples the product is gonna be the same with that team around you.
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But everybody in the locker room, like Ryan Fitzpatrick, you trust him.
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Everyone's gonna go through a wall, all the, you know, clean Chase.
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You wanna throw out there better? Where's Josh Rosen? They were talking about Giants fans were absurdly saying that the Giant should be taking a flyer on Josh Rosen when Miami was trying to get him out of there.
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This guy is.
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He has to move into career back of mode and hold for the opportunity behind someone else, maybe through injury that he could get himself in.
00:21:46
Their Indianapolis Colts might be a great spot for him to end up at some point along the way.
00:21:50
Veteran quarterback is ready to move on in the next couple of years, but he's not.
00:21:54
He's not Baker Mayfield, even, but I'm gonna throw it.
00:21:57
The with Josh Rosen is, there's There's a few places I would like to see him show up and believe it or not, the Giants are one of those teams because I believe in Joe judge there.
00:22:07
And that's not just because he's a former Patriots, because I saw how he treated for some reason in the Patriots, when you want to talk about egos or on the special teams.
00:22:17
Andi, that was his his forte the Giants, the Patriots, the Ravens, the Steelers or the Colts because to me, not Kansas City, because he knows he never has a chance.
00:22:33
But to me, that's the stable coaching that this kid needs. You.
00:22:38
What? I mean, John, he needs.
00:22:39
He needs to sit behind Lamar with John Harbaugh.
00:22:42
He needs to sit behind Cam Newton with Bill Belichick.
00:22:45
He needs something.
00:22:46
He needs stability in his life.
00:22:48
He needs to be knocked down three pegs and you need the almost treat him like a puppy and start building him back.
00:22:55
Have a Vegas? No, not group.
00:22:58
And Gruden's awful with E.
00:23:02
When you talk about just getting Josh Rosen a wake up call, I don't think he's going to go in.
00:23:07
You know those guys that just even those kind of coaches, right where you get in there, the guy goes, Listen, I'm perfectly fine telling you that you're you're awful, that's what.
00:23:13
But Gruden is not good with young.
00:23:15
Gruden likes veterans, right, because they're a little more grizzle that could take a little bit more grooms a little bit different.
00:23:21
That's the only reason.
00:23:22
But I would say even the Chargers with with With Anthony, you know what I mean.
00:23:26
Just some sort of stability.
00:23:29
Uh, so I wanted to go back to the Browns.
00:23:32
If you don't mind, it's it's It's an issue that I've had with their offense that I've had ever since they traded for O. B J.
00:23:40
In that the type of office we should be seeing.
00:23:44
Coming from this Cleveland Browns team to me is kind of like what the Titans wanna do, right? Just run the ball and then hit play action.
00:23:52
That's it.
00:23:53
Those air literally Only thing. Two things you do.
00:23:55
The problem is, since you have Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb, not only do you need to give them carries to get them established in the running game, you also have to give the ball to Odell Beckham Jr.
00:24:05
Which is partly why I wasn't a big fan of every Ravens fan wanted him on the team.
00:24:09
I didn't like the idea, Um, you have to give the ball Toby J.
00:24:13
Because if not, you're gonna hear it from him.
00:24:15
You know, and Baker himself knows I have to get it. Toby J.
00:24:19
He's one of the most athletic players on the team, but the problem is you get into situations where you throw it to him 10 times.
00:24:25
He's dropping balls.
00:24:26
You're forcing it to him.
00:24:28
You have Jarvis Landry again.
00:24:30
It zits an embarrassment of riches.
00:24:33
The problem is they have too many targets that they have to spread around.
00:24:36
They added Austin Cooper.
00:24:37
To me, it's just too many for Baker toe handle.
00:24:40
To be honest with you, I think a little overwhelmed, I would agree with you.
00:24:44
Walking around with two number ones could be an issue, right having to number one because they're both gonna wanna be fed.
00:24:50
Austin Hooper is a little bit more of a humble guy that doesn't have to be targeted five or six times, But he'll he'll want his couple.
00:24:57
You wanna be fed a little bit.
00:24:58
Three.
00:24:59
Only good thing about a tight end is you could excite them and run blocking, right, because they get to be physical.
00:25:03
Uh, I think you're right on Hooper, too, because you could just wait when you get your spots.
00:25:07
You feel great about your capitalized on it.
00:25:09
The problem with LBJ is man, and this is they're talking about.
00:25:11
The idea of, you know, could be on the trade market.
00:25:13
What could you see happen with him, remember, 27 28 years old like and I know the flash flash flash brilliance, right? He's not Davante Adams.
00:25:22
He's not nuke like you know what I mean? There is not a game where Hopkins gets 10 targets and comes up with three.
00:25:30
Do I think that that's a trend for back of No.
00:25:32
But the fact that you're capable of it also then to your point, Joe, it's like So now I'm focusing on you, and I'm not necessarily getting a return on it.
00:25:40
And we have enough talent here.
00:25:42
There's enough talent on the offensive side of the ball for Cleveland that they don't need a nodal.
00:25:45
You could if you could trade him now and get back other pieces to make you a little bit stronger.
00:25:50
Get back draft picks next year.
00:25:52
You would probably see especially for the growth off.
00:25:55
Ah Baker Mayfield because even at the back end of Eli Manning's career, he felt the pressure to target O B J a lot.
00:26:01
He felt it necessary.
00:26:02
Thio almost forcible into him, especially deep in the red zone.
00:26:05
So you know, you move away from a number one star receiver like that and all of sudden Baker, Mayfield start saying, Okay, it's a sum of my parts.
00:26:11
You still have Landry, by the way.
00:26:13
So you got Landrieu got Hooper.
00:26:14
You've got these two backs.
00:26:15
Hunt can catch it out of the backfield as well.
00:26:17
I I think, for the best balance and development of the team.
00:26:20
Overall, it makes sense to get away from true number one, unless they are those elite of the elite.
00:26:26
There's Onley, two or three of those that come around every 10 years.
00:26:29
There's one team Odell Beckham Jr will work on, and I'm wearing the jersey of that team because you got to go to a team.
00:26:35
You know, you got to go to a team where they don't care what your name is.
00:26:38
Yeah, you do need a receiver so well by the receiver and they said, Oh, hi, Randy, How are you I mean, this is a team that has cut.
00:26:46
Now he knows for different reasons, but has cut Josh Gordon traded away to marry.
00:26:50
Is Thomas cut? Antonio Brown traded away.
00:26:54
Randy Moss.
00:26:55
What? I mean, Bill Belichick is not afraid when a guy is not working to run his ass out of town, right? It's just it is what it is.
00:27:01
And if you want to go flash on flash now, you pair him with Cam Newton, right? A guy with a personality.
00:27:06
And if you get those two together, then maybe they get toe.
00:27:08
Have enough fun, you know, off the field pregame, even during the game where you get that little bit.
00:27:14
But you have. You have to satisfy him and I'm not.
00:27:16
It's always the funny thing about any player, not just O.
00:27:18
B. J, but guys that have personalities or egos.
00:27:20
That's all right.
00:27:21
There's nothing wrong with that is there's nothing he's ever been in off the field issue.
00:27:24
But you need to to your point right with Josh Rosen or any of these key type of players, you gotta find the right place for him with the right head coach with right system the team that's ascending, not the Giants, when they're muddling and going trending down.
00:27:36
Not the Cleveland Browns, who have been chaos for decades, right? Like the New England Patriots.
00:27:40
Even Ah, Baltimore Ravens.
00:27:42
Joe, though you may not want him there, you know you got stability, right? Like, you know, when you come in there, there's an expectation.
00:27:48
And if it doesn't work out, well, move off of you because we've had success and we're not.
00:27:52
We're not held to needing you to change our franchise trajectory.
00:27:56
Yeah, and horrible would let him know immediately.
00:27:58
Right? That's why I think he would fit.
00:28:01
You need a coach like that, though.
00:28:02
And I'm even thinking Reich in in Indy would be a fit.
00:28:05
Now, I don't know by rock, you know, that was Rivers, not with Rivers O B O B.
00:28:11
J.
00:28:12
Would be having a fit, you know, because that balls are the balls are gonna make it.
00:28:14
It's just not Couldn't quite get there.
00:28:17
I don't know.
00:28:18
Rivers through Ah, 45 yard pass.
00:28:20
That was pretty accurate last last week.
00:28:22
Here's the thing that I want to talk about. Okay.
00:28:26
Lawrence, I forgot you were here.
00:28:27
E No, I'm hosting.
00:28:29
Yeah.
00:28:30
No, seriously, you gotta, in my opinion, this season, Week one, even on many of the winning teams, you kind of got to take a flyer on those games week one.
00:28:42
All right, You're not seeing the actual team that you're gonna see later on because there is No, they don't have, ah, lot of teams with new quarterbacks or new head coaches or or, you know, different stuff.
00:28:56
They just haven't had time to practice with each other defense that have not had any kind of live hitting until this past week one.
00:29:05
So, you know, a lot of defense's look bad.
00:29:07
Bad tackling happened.
00:29:09
You're not gonna see anything until probably weak threes when you're gonna start seeing actual what you plan on seeing for the rest of the season from these NFL teams.
00:29:19
You know, Bill Belichick is famous for saying football starts after Thanksgiving because after Thanksgiving is when that's the team you're rolling with into the playoffs.
00:29:29
Anything before that is subject to change, and you go back to your point.
00:29:33
Lawrence.
00:29:34
You go back to this past week, think about a lot of the games.
00:29:35
Now there's there's some There's some flukey ones in there, like New England's Win.
00:29:39
Wow, It's good that you had Miami right with a new player in there and you expect to beat them.
00:29:43
But most of these wins in week one.
00:29:45
Where teams that are bringing back the same roster.
00:29:47
Same system, right? Cardinals now they beat, they beat the 40 Niners.
00:29:51
They're dealing with injuries.
00:29:52
They have a new receiving core there they don't have who checked out Thio down to New Orleans to play with Drew Brees manual standards, Right, you know.
00:29:59
So you're moving parts away.
00:30:01
You have some injuries, you talk about Kansas City comes out now, you expect him to be Houston.
00:30:05
But Houston also traded away their number one right receiver, brought into running back who had some success for Johnson.
00:30:10
But still, these are all you know, the team that didn't face moving parts that don't have new coaches even, you know, as a giant sky.
00:30:16
I actually took away a lot of positives there about that, but at the same time, you gotta let to your point, Lawrence, give me a week to give me a week three and by I always say, by quarters, right four weeks into the season, I'll have a pretty good sense of where the holes are in certain teams and where they can have success.
00:30:32
Yeah, absolutely.
00:30:34
So let's talk about the game tonight.
00:30:35
Since we're Yeah, I was actually gonna ask a question about, say, if the Browns lose this game, is it time to push the panic button? And if yes, what does that mean? What does pushing the panic button mean? I don't think that I think the panic button is Oh my God, they're falling apart.
00:30:57
I mean, maybe you move on from O.
00:30:59
B.
00:31:00
J and try to go with just drivers. Landry is your number one.
00:31:02
I don't think Cleveland has a choice, but to go for it this year and deal with whatever the record is, they should be super like going for the Super Bowl.
00:31:11
Right? There should be the baker in the rookie contract.
00:31:14
They have all the talent around them.
00:31:15
They should be going Super Bowl.
00:31:17
There should be the year that we're sitting there going Well, it's this year, next year or they're not going to get there.
00:31:23
You know what I mean? Like, this is a win.
00:31:24
It now it's not getting there.
00:31:26
And again, I don't My whole thing is, at the end of the day, if you said Ray, who do you blame in Cleveland? I go everybody.
00:31:34
It's not on Baker completely, you know? I mean, it's the Browns because it's on everybody and it's not on anybody.
00:31:42
You know what I mean? It's it's just a colossal.
00:31:44
It starts with ownership.
00:31:45
You guys know my feelings on ownership, at least you to our Adam hasn't heard yet, but I got a big problem with Brown's ownership, and that's where it starts.
00:31:52
And it's been a mess ever since.
00:31:53
And he said, Panic Button.
00:31:55
I just think it will be the quiet thing behind the scenes, right? If you lose this game now, you're going to You're in that division, you know, you're not, you know you're losing grabbed in a hurry.
00:32:03
You just start to say, Hey, when a team comes knocking about O B.
00:32:05
J, Of course, we're gonna listen.
00:32:07
If a team comes looking for, I don't even know what Olivier Vernon's value really is at this point in his career.
00:32:11
But if they come knocking yeah, I jettison for a late round pick, and you just slowly slowly give yourself another handful of assets.
00:32:17
You're gonna have to play this string out, but you're you're still built around that running back, this quarterback.
00:32:22
You know, you got in some offensive lineman, so, yeah, you're going to play the string out.
00:32:26
I think it's gonna be a, you know, a death by 1000 paper cuts as opposed to this sweeping motion of cleaning house under new head coach.
00:32:32
They're gonna keep pushing for it, right? As long as they feel they can.
00:32:36
What if somebody? What if somebody comes for Landry? Yeah.
00:32:39
You let him go to? Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:41
I don't think I don't think there's nobody on this roster shy of saying we're still committed to Baker Mayfield in a new system.
00:32:47
I don't think there's anybody that's off limits.
00:32:49
And they make you say Nick Chubb too, you know. Yeah.
00:32:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:54
But on the offensive side of the ball, the receiving those two receivers, you know, Listen again, mid mid to late twenties, if you're contending team and you have more value to everyone else but us if we're losing games, I want to say that earlier in the off season.
00:33:09
Baker Mayfield made a statement and said, We're going to ignore all reporters and just keep our head down and focus on winning the game.
00:33:18
And I said, That's all well and good until you get your first loss, then how you gonna handle it? And I just want to say that this stream right here is specifically talking about how o.
00:33:33
B.
00:33:34
J.
00:33:35
Is reacting to how TV ****ysis and reporters is talking about how bad he waas alright and was about LBJ is that you almost saw him get to that level that you saw him in New York with when he was fighting the kicking.
00:33:50
That man like it will got to that level.
00:33:52
He was You could see it in his face.
00:33:54
He was getting that heated.
00:33:55
So I don't know.
00:33:57
I'm gonna be honest with you, though I love that kind of passionate of all, and I always have.
00:34:03
You just need someone who can harness it.
00:34:05
By the way, when the Giants chose to move off of them, you know, there's probably offers coming around from a lot of different places, like I don't know if the Giants felt compelled to, But it was Yeah.
00:34:16
Guess what.
00:34:17
Go die out there in Cleveland, you know, I mean, you you heard the story, right? There was a trade done Odell to the Patriots two years ago.
00:34:26
And then the Giants sat back and went, Wait a minute.
00:34:29
Bill Belichick wants him.
00:34:32
Maybe we need to reconsider this and and re and reneged on the deal.
00:34:36
But it was done.
00:34:37
The deal was done.
00:34:38
Odell was coming in New England, and and by the way, his history.
00:34:41
It looks a lot different now.
00:34:42
He probably he probably is up there with Hopkins is probably one of the prolific receivers in the league.
00:34:45
Because again, no nonsense.
00:34:47
Good quarterback in Tom Brady.
00:34:48
A great quarterback in Tom Brady for the number of years.
00:34:52
Yeah, that was good then.
00:34:53
Yeah, it would have been good. Quarterback Tom Brady.
00:34:55
Good.
00:34:56
Ray is like the biggest Brady hater Patriot fan I've ever better.
00:34:58
Better So now I've been better with Brady since Garoppolo got traded.
00:35:02
Just everybody knows this isn't anything new for me.
00:35:04
All right? So the Bengals and Browns, who's winning and why I gotta go with Cleveland.
00:35:11
They need a bounce back way more than the bend.
00:35:13
The Bengals don't need to win this season.
00:35:15
They'll be competitive, but they don't need to win the Bengal or the Browns need toe win.
00:35:20
Um, hopefully everybody else, including Odell, gets it together.
00:35:25
I hope they're going to run the football.
00:35:27
They're gonna try to take advantage of that.
00:35:29
I think Miles Garrett's gonna be all over young Borough tonight.
00:35:32
I'm going the Browns.
00:35:34
Joe.
00:35:36
Yes.
00:35:37
So it's funny, because yesterday I I went with the Bengals just because I wanted to get a little debate with Ray.
00:35:42
But that's my heart because I love borough.
00:35:45
I'm a big borough guy.
00:35:46
I support Borough.
00:35:48
But my gut and my heart in my mind are telling me to pick the Browns because they need this win.
00:35:53
They absolutely should when they are the better team.
00:35:56
Um, you know Myles Garrett should be ableto handle that offensive line.
00:36:00
They were getting tourney up by Joey Bosa and that Chargers pass rush.
00:36:06
So, Miles, If Myles Garrett doesn't have at least a sack in this game, at least two, it's a little concerning for that Brown's defense because they need somebody to show up.
00:36:15
Um, yeah, I'm going to say the Browns, they need to win this game.
00:36:20
Men and I think that they will. They should.
00:36:22
They should.
00:36:23
Silver lining for Baker Mayfield is if o.
00:36:26
B J catches seven of those 10 targets, he's almost a 62% completion.
00:36:30
Right? Looks a lot better than what he's dangling down there in the low fifties, so that's technically something you could hang your hat on it everything about it says that that Cleveland should come out and win this game, right? So that makes me think that they're not going thio.
00:36:44
You talk about the defensive defensive injuries they have up front there.
00:36:47
I think that if Cincinnati is playing this smart, you got a nice little taste of borough in the week.
00:36:52
One to your point, right? Go go through mixing, start there and build out.
00:36:56
Guess what A. J. Green.
00:36:58
I picked him up quietly at the back end of my fantasy draft, and he looks like even with that offensive pass interference in the end zone for that little toe tap, he looks like he's gonna be, you know, capable of doing what he did pre injury.
00:37:08
So you have weapons there? If you could control the tempo enough and keep Baker in that offense mitigated and specifically through chub and through Hunt.
00:37:16
I think they have a real shot for it, and there's nothing so far going back to last year.
00:37:20
That tells me that Cleveland, with everything they have on this roster, is actually is good as they're supposed to be.
00:37:25
So I'll take Bangles in the Ohio upset of it.
00:37:29
All right, so here's my thing.
00:37:34
Yes, the Bengals offensive line was awful.
00:37:37
Borough was really bad throwing the football beyond five yards in the air.
00:37:42
I mean, really bad escape.
00:37:45
Uh, but something I want to say.
00:37:48
He didn't have a turnover.
00:37:49
He did not have any interceptions.
00:37:51
And I'm telling you that if he continues to have this kind of inaccuracy against Ward and that secondary for the for the Browns, there's going to be turnovers.
00:38:01
I promise you, I just I don't have faith in that Bengals offensive line.
00:38:07
I think the Browns are gonna straight up.
00:38:09
Do ah what Pittsburgh did a lot last week and that I think they're gonna blitz the heck out of this Bengals.
00:38:19
It's going to start off with a run blitz just to get toe mixing in the backfield.
00:38:24
And then if mixing doesn't have the ball borough butter have wheels on, That's all I've got to say, because I think, yeah, because I think he's gonna be running for his life the majority of this 46 yards on the ground last week so he can run.
00:38:37
He's got the wheels, that touchdown run he had without 20 yard touchdown that was gorgeous for his life.
00:38:43
He'll be right.
00:38:44
It will be running for his life.
00:38:47
Garrett is coming.
00:38:48
But, hey, Olivier, Vernon is not playing tonight.
00:38:51
So that could maybe give that Bengals old line a little bit of a break.
00:38:54
But like I said, if they're smart, they're gonna line up Garrett against Bobby Hart and just let him go to town.
00:39:01
Former Giants, that zero success on that side.
00:39:03
I wanna thank every 40 minutes, guys.
00:39:07
A little bit longer than we expected for 20 for May.
00:39:11
I don't know what you're doing.
00:39:13
This all right? 7.
00:39:15
70 people watching live.
00:39:17
I want to thank Adam for joining me here on SportsCastr.
00:39:20
Oh, Mary remembers Keith McPherson is on here.
00:39:25
Aims 22 summers and a Knick fan.
00:39:30
This dude, All these guys watching live on SportsCastr.
00:39:34
But we got 71 people watching live.
00:39:37
Uh, hey, Adam.
00:39:39
What should they do? Obviously, I didn't name off 70 people.
00:39:43
They gotta make profile so they can actually interact with us.
00:39:47
How did they go about doing that? You get involved.
00:39:49
Just go to SportsCastr dot com and sign yourself up.
00:39:51
You can go ahead, start following Ray and following Joe and following Lawrence, who all do their own individual content.
00:39:57
Outside of what we're doing here tonight, I cover the Giants along with my VOD cast, soon to be launching in October on SportsCastrs featured elements we do n b a content you mentioned keeping fearsome.
00:40:06
There's so many great talented people that are connected to these teams around all.
00:40:10
Sportsman, just sign up.
00:40:12
It takes, like, two seconds you log in and then you could be officially chatting up and telling me how insane I am for taking the Bangles tonight over the prince.
00:40:19
Yeah, Or if you want to hear Adam have ridiculous takes about my boy ****y P.
00:40:23
You can do that as well when he covers the MBA.
00:40:25
So it Z we'll save it for another time.
00:40:31
We'll save people in Toronto.
00:40:33
Not happy with you, Adam.
00:40:34
Way got the second for what's the big deal? What's the big deal? Right? What's that? What's the problem? ****y P is a god**** hero here.
00:40:43
Okay? With that, we're gonna let you go.
00:40:48
Thanks, everybody, for joining.
00:40:50
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00:40:51
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00:40:53
We're all here for you on SportsCastr News.
00:40:55
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