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I'm Doug Nori. And over there is Adam.
Are Brecht have friends? Friends? Indeed.
I gotta get a friend's note here.
There's not one thing I'm gonna do about it.
My kids are seeing friends of theirs that they haven't seen in a really long time.
And it sounds something like a combination of D Day and a carnival.
And yes, it's like the pasta highs and the lows, you know, get the lowest lows.
I'm sure that was on D Day.
Would have loved a little carnival action, you know, just to kind of mitigate some of the experience s Oh, for sure.
So if you get like some random, just kids screaming the back, just know that they are screams of joy.
I'm fairly soundproofing here, but there's really no there's no sound proofing this.
There's not that you need to be.
You need to be in like, you know Rick Rubin studio in L.
And then having like one person playing a track to be the kind of audio into the kind of sound community.
For that was the cavalcade, er, cacophony of noise that's happening downstairs anyway.
We are, uh you might want to be in the bunker in a D Day scenario.
Just get some soundproofing.
I'm just relieved you said friends.
No, I thought it was gonna be specific about you and I.
So I don't care what's happening in the background.
You and I spent Sunday together watching some football Saturday night into Sunday.
We did a little little little slumber party there with the family, um, in the psyche, Because when it's first NFL, something you don't wanna be waking up somewhere, you need to wake up where you know, you get down to business right away.
There's no reason to be traveling leading into ah, Sunday football.
If you know you're gonna be somewhere, you might as well just kinda get the party started the night before and then kind of just have a carry over into Sunday.
We got a nice little.
Anyway, there's a whose podcast we got some net stuff going here.
We're gonna talk about some MBA playoffs stuff, which is just like it's gotten really nuts coming up.
We're recording this on Wednesday.
So Tuesday night was the Game seven between the Nuggets and the Clippers, which I simply still can't really wrap my brain around.
But we'll get back to that later, not tons of Nets news.
The big stuff is really what happens with Jacque Vaughn.
I guess there's something little they're gonna shop chaired.
Alan, I'm still I'll tell you right now I'm putting a moratorium on the trade talking for we're gonna do a month with no trade talks unless the trade happens with the Nets.
I am not after the Steve Nash thing, I think was the last podcast after the Nash thing, I think I said, I kind of just want to stop any speculation about what the Nets could do because no one ever knows.
So what's the point? And are you fair? That's such a cop because we actually might run out of stuff to talk about on this offseason short of the draft.
But is that a fair thing? I feel like it's just so pointless to talk.
Talk about like moves the Nets might make because this place is Fort Knox with information.
You just don't know anyone that thinks they know is wrong.
They're lying, and most people don't even bother trying to know.
They just speculate on crazy trades.
I don't even know if I want to do that.
I kind of pointless.
I don't think it's worth it.
And also, by the way, at the very least, I'll wait until it's the MBA off season to start having the conversations about things that can actually happen.
So you're still another solid month, plus away well, about a month away, depending on how the finals go.
Before that even becomes interesting content.
So listen, it happened during the entire season when we were covering the Nets.
It's happening during the entire playoffs, so I hated I hated every second of it.
By the way, I don't like talking like that.
I started to be like a huge promotion to stop to start this.
I know this is half of what people love to listen to about, especially basketball stuff is some hokey trade that might happen, and but almost definitely 99% of the time will not happen, so I just It's just like some in some ways is the absolute least interesting thing for me to talk about when it comes to basketball, and I get why people do it, and I get why we'll do it.
Also, it's just kind of like I don't know, everyone's unrealistic that.
Anyway, that wasn't the point.
But I think that the Jared Allen thing, people talking about him getting shot, I don't know if that's true or not.
I guess the really only news short of the Steve Nash thing, which we covered in the last podcast, and he had a pretty good press conference that told you everything you kind of wanted to hear from him.
I thought listening back to it was a joke.
One might be a candidate for some of these coaching jobs.
Give me the list of the coaching vacancies that are open right now, short of recorded This Wednesday, I'm gonna assume Doc gets brought back for another year with the Clippers that that one's I'm sort of tongue in cheek on that one, but maybe not the right now We have the Pacers.
Who else? There's a couple.
Other Trans develops has been linked to that, but who are the other ones right.
You got D'Antoni's done there in Houston for the Rockets.
Who knows if there blowing things up or bringing it back? 70 Sixers Let go of bread Brown.
You've also got the Pelicans and the Chicago Bulls as well.
Obviously, the Knicks brought in Tom Thibodeau, and then you got Bickerstaff going there for the Cleveland job.
So a couple of these and then you throw in Steve Nash, obviously, with Brooklyn, three jobs have already been filled relative to who the coach was during this past season.
But there's a couple of them out there.
I think Bill Billups, I think that, um, Jacque Vaughn is being may be attached to the possibility of the Pelicans.
That seems interesting because they're young, but not necessarily the best.
Because are you trusting what Vaughan did in a small sample size here relative to his Orlando time versus wanting to bring in a veteran guy that can really make a high impact? The bottom line is, he could be involved in some of these, and I would highly doubt that the Nets stand in his way.
They may want to come back to be a support for Steve Nash, but if he gets an opportunity, I think they're going to respect it and not be, you know, a blockade in that path for him.
The rockets, as long as they have hardened, is a high profile job.
No matter which way they take it with me, they're gonna have Westbrook to You're not unloading that contracts.
They're gonna have these guys.
I think pretty much that's still a high profile job.
Whether you want it as a coach, I mean, D'Antoni definitely just said it's been fun.
We tried our best.
I'm gonna exit stage right here and whoever calls comes in.
So it's unclear about who that's an enticing job offer to because it felt like D'Antoni was sort of the perfect fit for these guys that are just, you know, maybe a little tough to deal with.
Plus, they play a very specific style, so I'm not sure Von is a good match there.
I cannot see that happening in Philly, where they need to probably make some kind of splash coming off the development.
That brown thing that just didn't really work out.
What if you want to say it was all Browns fault I don't think it was, but that's definitely say that.
They're saying it is, Yeah, and and that's just not a jack full on landing spot.
But that's not He's not in the I don't think he's in the player pool of guys that they're looking to hire here, so I don't think that's the case, you know, he said the Pacers, with Billups attached that's not for it's not set in stone.
That one's interesting because it's like they're not really a contender, but they're sort of developing in some ways, and I know they're gonna move out from all of the PO.
Don't think they will be out of the running there.
But it's clear that that people have been dreaming on Chauncey Billups as a coach for a long time and sort of in that like point guard Steve Nash, Jason Kidd kind of role, Um, these guys that kind of come in so I don't know if he ends up landing there.
The pelicans one, though, is interesting in that they are straddling the line of development with higher aspirations, probably sooner than later, because they have Zion because they have Brandon Ingram, who I'm assuming they're going to resign.
I think they can't remember.
He resigned, Actually. Look this up.
Um, they're gonna probably move on from Drew holiday, But they do have.
And then they have Lonzo, who is definitely a guy that could probably stand toe have some point guard tutelage.
Which Jacque Vaughn definitely waas.
And so that was interesting.
I wouldn't be shocked if Vaughn was at least considered because they kind of do need a development guy to like they're not you, she got You seem like the dead maybe.
Do you agree with U C? Denver? You got the West is gonna be brutal for another couple of years.
It's gonna be the West is gonna be an absolute gauntlet.
When the warriors come back here, the Timberwolves gonna get better.
You really can't put yourself in championship with download with the guys that are this age.
I don't think and they just don't have the horses.
Anyway, I I don't know.
Maybe I'm talking myself into that.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
I guess I was kind of I was almost looking at as being the not negative for for Jacque Vaughn.
Although he may look at that and say, Do I really want to go out there where? No matter how good I do, I maybe I maybe 1/9 10th seed team in the West, even if I maximize everything that I get out of these guys just based on the other teams that are ahead of me.
So maybe Chicago Bulls job is appealing in.
The sense of the back end of the Eastern Conference is always open, so you can get to around 40 or 42 wins and maybe be a playoff team.
And even if you're not as good as you as you'd like to be, it's still a feather in your cap and maybe get some longevity there, as opposed to, I guess.
I wonder how the pelicans look at themselves, right? If they think that they can jump into the mix in the middle of the pack there in the Western Conference next year, then maybe they want to go with a veteran head coach.
So it's probably internal perception about where they think they are with these young stars.
My guest is like there.
My guess is the realistic, and they would say we could get there if we overachieve right, like we need to.
If that's their mindset, then Jackson would make a ton of sense because he can help you overachieve? Probably.
So I think they're pretty realistic.
David Griffin is really pretty realistic.
Dude, they had a chance to get into the playoffs this year.
That kind of blew it when they got down to the bubble of science.
Conditioning is always gonna be in question till he shows that it's not gonna be.
I think that's a pretty attractive situation with outside Onley because I still think the expectations air fairly tempered around that situation, especially coming off this year where it didn't look that great.
And so again, there's a ton and ton of injuries and everything got a little weird at the end.
I guess it's disappointing that they didn't make the playoffs, but I don't think anyone looks at them now and it's super disappointed.
Just the way things No port.
Honestly, it really helped him that Portland got into Memphis did because I think from your Yeah, from a perception standpoint, it looks a lot better that Portland snuck into that with game and C J and these other veteran guys And so it doesn't look as bad that that New Orleans couldn't pull it off once they got there.
They were bad when they got there, and they fired the coach.
And I think that actually coaching was part of the problem there some degree.
But yeah, I know.
It's an attractive job.
I think that's a pretty attractive job for a lot of coach.
I actually don't think that they're gonna I think they're gonna have a list of guys that they're gonna want toe maybe try to grow Zion Growth in gross to me these days, Um, grow Alonso and try to turn that into a kind of run and gun team.
I think that that's definitely the most attractive of the situation is left.
I think from an upside standpoint, well, we say Philly, right? As has a good upside, But But there's also the thing that I think the difference of Philly's they're not gonna hire that guy like they're not gonna hire like they're not gonna hire Jack phone.
They're not gonna honor.
You don't have to believe Yeah, They have to believe that they have to believe at this point there over the development hump and they're into the How do we fit the pieces together? Mold? Because that's that's and that's a lot different.
And I gotta say, unlike unlike New Orleans, I think they have a little bit more of like superstar management to deal with here than New Orleans does.
And between a bead and Simmons and really just those two guys, there's a little bit Mawr.
My guess is ego at play than I think you probably see in New Orleans, and I think that actually matters a lot to from who they are.
We know what e wondered about D'Antoni leaves Houston and for you to say, You look at Philly and you go, there's nothing really there that lines up with what they were doing in Houston.
But then I go back when we talked about this going back a ways around Antonio, Listen, he has a certain style of offense, but then he makes this, Piven says.
We're gonna go small ball lineup and we're gonna work with the pieces that we have.
I wonder if if a coach like that while from the outside, you may not think that all these players line up for him and what he wants to dio.
I also think maybe D'Antoni's that kind of coach that could go and say, I'll figure out how to use these pieces in the best way possible and we'll see what we could do with it.
And Philly maybe would be inclined to go that route because he has the track record.
Relatively speaking, I know we're gonna get into a little bit of the the games that happened last night in the Western and Eastern Conference.
You gotta wonder about the L.
A Clippers, just from an assistant head coach standpoint, Tyler, who was talked about even in connection with the Nets job for whatever it was worth or adjacent kid.
That's also over on the Lakers.
So there's other names that are going to start to bubble up here is well, and I wonder if any of them are in line to jump ship and go somewhere else or if the coaching pool is going to be relatively small.
Two guys that are current and active in the MBA.
Likewise, the way you saw Billups now get attached to a job he hasn't necessarily.
While Ben he's been up for candidacy, some even said he was looking for to GM position over the past handful of years as opposed to a coaching job.
Yeah, so I don't know.
Yeah, So it's It's weird to know about how these guys would view these situations.
Like, I think, like, for instance, your Steve Nash or really anybody you view the Nets coaching coach.
I got these kids going crazy.
Or, if you can hear in the back, the they love coach speak.
They look, you get a chance.
If you have the two blue chippers on your team, no matter where you want to rank the blue chippers, Um, let's say there's 20 blue chippers in the NBA.
Like I'm just making up a number.
Maybe that's probably less.
But if you have two of those guys in a given team, you have to look at it and say, I can probably do something with this, Whereas I'm not sure Indiana's that case.
Frankly, I'm not sure I'm not gonna put Malcolm Brogden and the bonus a bonus in that group or T J.
Warren or whatever. Like they have a nice core.
It's not a championship level team, I don't think, although look you want? Oh, the heat Win it all this year.
Then maybe I changed my mind because it may be the The road map for the championship is thrown out the door.
But the I think I still probably look at the Phillies situation be like, Dude, I got two guys here that when they're playing their best, our top 15 or higher MBA talents and just just show a few teams have that that, Yeah, I do think you're gonna see bigger names like those guys be in play for those jobs simply because you could look at If you're these guys like the superstar that guys have become coaches or whatever and you have ego, you could be like, you know I could be.
I know I could figure that out.
I could figure out what's going on here, and I think that's a pretty attractive situation.
Well, by the way, and that's why, even though I know billets gets attached to the Pacers job like, I would think it's almost in line with Steve Nash kind of model of If I'm if I'm Chauncey Billups, I want to go to something that's ready made even if they've had a bit of a bad run here in Philly.
I think that I could work with all those pieces to your point.
Like I would think that Jacque Vaughn would be a nice fit for the Indiana Pacers because you have tongue.
But the guys that you can again the overachieve notion that you maybe wanna approach that with And if you're Jacque Vaughn, you don't have the cachet yet where you get to say ideal for me would be Philly.
Let me go ahead and come in there and get rolling with them.
So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
For 11 thing's for certain.
I don't think the Chicago Bulls is gonna be the ***y place.
I don't know you could make a case.
You're like a lover year Laurie market.
And when the Carter and maybe they've underachieved because of some injury I'm making, I'm just giving the I'm giving a glass half full.
You could say, you know, we have Kobe White coming off a pretty nice season. All rookie team.
The Otto Porter contract was a disaster, but whatever, maybe you feel like you can you know have Levin dialing in on the defensive end like he's like I said, like they brought really bad injuries to Carter and marketing.
And so I feel like I'm forgetting other Saturday and forget him.
But anyway, the other guys, um I don't know if I squint, I can see it in the East, right? Like in the East is always a factor right in the East.
Can I put? Can I make? I mean, they have.
Their coaching situation was an absolute F minus last year in Portland.
He was horrible, so the players hated him.
He was a double double bottom line of players, hated him, and all this in game stuff was terrible.
So it's like, I don't know, maybe you're smart tactician and you know, you're a little rough around the edges with the personality thing.
Everyone hated them and all decisions were bad.
Call random time out to the end of games when they're losing by 10 but the players throwing their hands up.
He was he was bottom, but they got bottom of the barrel coaching.
So, like I don't know, you could probably look at that situation.
Say, got like three riel guys in the East.
Like I said, I got a squid.
I gotta swim through the glass half full to see it, but I can kind of see it. Let's take a quick break.
We will talk about.
We're not gonna break a SportsCastr.
We'll take a quick break and we'll talk about what's going on in this Western.
What's going on in these playoffs? All right, so last night was something that was e don't know another way to put it.
I'm still kind of in shock that we talked about this all year, and it's really just a basketball thing.
And maybe it's not because we've always just transposed the Warriors onto.
This whole thing is that basketball is predictable, and if you give you a team seven games, the better team will come out and win those seven games to an overwhelming degree.
And it just didn't happen with the Clippers, and I just that there's no way you could tell me on paper there.
Not a better team to Denver, okay, like they just have the best player and they probably have the third best player, and they probably have a combination of like the fourth and for 5th and 6th Best players or something like that, if you where you're gonna put Louisville trays and then they have, like, role play that something like, they're not deep like they have guys like Marcus Morris.
And they have guys like, um, you know, to Michael Green come off the bench.
So I just don't think of the years on their roster as well.
Hey, was horrible.
And like, whatever it may be with the covert thing like like these guys struck These guys struggled with some conditioning and stuff.
I still cannot believe you want somebody lost the Lakers.
Fine. Don't even tell me they lost to the Rockets.
I don't know Rocket.
The Rockets ran hot for, you know, they shut the absolute lights out for four games. Were able to do it.
I just can't believe Denver.
They just did everything right.
I If it sounds like I'm in shock, it's just cause I am.
I just didn't believe it when I was watching it.
I didn't believe it, the whole Siri's when they came back and and they they just deserved the win.
It wasn't a fluke like it was not a fluke.
It wasn't one of these.
Like they just ran hot from three for the last three years and crushed him yesterday.
It was It was disaster.
I don't know. I'm flabbergasted.
Frankly, Well, my my postmortem on it was It's easy to do this after they've lost the Siri's.
Obviously, when you lose, you know, game when you're up 31 you lose a game, you lose another game. You those expectations.
You're playing with a lot more pressure than the Nuggets are.
Nuggets could lost that game.
Wouldn't matter. They could've got blown out.
And you're still gonna walk away from their season saying lot to build off your great success.
Look at your mall, Murray.
The things that I look at, our Jamal Murray really explodes in the bubble.
Unlike maybe what his consistency was during the regular season.
And then the other thing, the other big factor to me was the Clippers approached the season differently than, say, the L A Lakers.
They ran their lineup out there.
The Lakers. It was LeBron. It was a D.
LeBron's going Max minutes.
He wants to prove something the Lakers really managed their way through the season, not overtaxing a lot of their guys.
As far as these are our core guys we wanna have on the court.
Now that maybe the cliche excuse.
I don't think they were as familiar as they wanted to be.
And the pause on the season probably disrupted whatever their methodology was going to be coming to the playoffs.
And then the other factor is Paul George.
He didn't show up for a ton of games.
So when you need to have CO, I do what he always does and borderline carry you through a couple of Siri's when you're supposed to have this legit number two now in games when he's still showing up and still doing his thing.
He had a bad game, but that's when George is supposed to take over the whole point of having two guys so that you can always rely on the other.
And I'd probably say this and this has been true of, you know, that this has been the knock on Paul George is they called himself playoff P, but it's not necessarily.
He's the only one still called himself that because that is over that is so you know, and this isn't I don't wanna over.
I don't want to over exaggerate the knock on him.
But it's like when Dame Lillard hits that shot last year.
He goes, You know it's a bad shot.
You know, I should have taken a bad shot like Listen, the guy made the bucket on you.
They beat you, take take your like, same thing here.
It feels like there's always a minor explanation.
And even if something as simple as saying didn't really get to play together a lot, you know, we're totally familiar.
First year together, that feels like a big excuse to your point.
When you're talking about having three or four out of the best six players in the Siri's, you should still be able to find a way to get there.
Well, okay, I'm gonna push back, agree with everything he said, or accepted the There's one part I don't agree with, but the part where the part where you didn't play and he made he also had another line that was such an indictment after the game, it was something along lines off.
We were never championship or bust this year, because we hadn't played together that much.
And I'm like, Dude, even if that was true, which, by the way, where was that quote before Game seven? Like, I would love to hurt that quote before Game seven.
You don't get to say it after Game seven. It's not.
It's such a BS line that was, like, so disappointing to read it.
And so if you're just gonna be king, excuse.
But everyone's overhearing about it, by the way.
And so the other part where you get to play together I was kind of by your own design.
I get There were some injuries here, but the part and I don't even mind the load management thing, except that when your gas to the end of Game seven because you haven't really run 40 minutes in the basketball game all season, then that is kind of on you and your team is well, so I I'm all for the load management I.
The only thing I would say is the part we didn't play together.
I will say, Den, this Denver team really didn't play together either this season, and they kind of worked it out.
So that's actually even figure of indictment on the Clippers because this is not Will Barton was a key part for them this whole year.
He didn't play it all.
Gary Harris didn't play in the bubble at also the last maybe six games or something like that.
They were really just ramping him back up.
They traded away a bunch of pieces at the trade deadline, Um, over toe the Timberwolves.
And so and then Michael Porter, like, could.
That guy was buried all season and they buried in the last game to probably smartly.
But it's not like this Denver team.
Murray and Yokich had a ton of reps together.
Yeah, but the rest of the team, Jeremy Grant, has entered the starting lineup.
Basically, when they got to the bubble, this was not He was not one of their start.
He basically ended up starting for Will Barton.
And so one time that I don't know.
So just get who will work? Um, the part where grant years ago.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just got confused.
I'm around here, but, um, the part where the part we're going to play together, I remember hearing it, and I can't remember where I heard that's going into the bubble and it was It was something Some expert.
I am so bad. I remember this stuff.
It's not like I'm just like, not trying to quote these people.
But I just read and listen to so much of this stuff that you just kind of get swimming in.
My brain had said in the beginning that he thought Denver and the Clippers were both really in trouble because they had such a lack of cohesion going to the ball because they Denver didn't even know who was coming.
Remember at the beginning of the bubble, it was like who even flew on the plane? All these guys are no one's even there, like the and and it just didn't end up being a problem for them.
So I guess can't hear the cohesion part.
When a team that had sort of a lot of the same issues is you just beat you and we're worse.
And so the play at the Paul George Thing 100% the part where you make excuses for it is such trash that it's it's so disappointing.
But the part where you didn't get enough reps.
I don't know, dude like teams that got a lot of reps together are out in.
Teams that didn't get a lot of reps together are in and it just that doesn't seem to have really mattered with the teams that are left right now.
Toronto played every single minute together this year and they're out.
Boston dealt with injuries all season long.
They're still in it.
So exactly so I just the part where you didn't get enough time together is so hollow because every team has dealt with some kind of issue I can't hear well and by the and by the way, I, you know, listing the possibilities of what they're talking about At the end of the day, to your point, you have the better team.
That's what the MBA is kind of built around a seven game serious.
You just, you know, choke isn't a chokes an aggressive way to frame.
I just think that you got outplayed and some of your key players, they're supposed todo That's a joke.
Sorry to cut you off.
Okay, but if you wanna say that, like I'm not gonna put it on some people are saying It's a knock on Kawhi Leonard's legacy losing that game that I don't buy into now you want to say they choke that game, That's fine.
And you wanna look at Paul George specifically and be like, Listen, buddy, you are not a true number two.
You're not a guy that can support a number one superstar in a team like Hawaii. Leonard.
That's self evident in this as well.
So maybe the only one that I push back really is Kawhi.
Leonard doesn't hurt him is all at all.
She's one championship with two different teams.
He takes it to try to wrap this last year.
You know all of that.
So I'm fine with that.
Really? What I think is you're gonna end up seeing for the I wonder this about them going to the off season.
They also said the post game, we can run the you know, we're gonna run our same team back and see you next year, and we're gonna go deep.
I really think that the Clippers are gonna have to take a hard look at their roster and consider about whether or not they need to figure out some other piece to come in here because you can't You can't go into next year.
Next year's playoff.
Relying on Paul George.
It's too much proof.
Too much proof is there that he's not gonna be that guy for you.
And if you have to lay it all on Kauai, he's gonna burn out at some point and then and then you're gonna turn around next year.
Say the same thing like hey is a dent on Cohen's legacy.
No, it means that you're not giving him the right caste around because he just did it with Toronto and you again, to your point. You make a case.
You have a stronger, probably supporting cast in L.
This year than you did in Toronto, possibly depending on where Siachen was in his development and how you feel about some of their bigs, but same same different results.
Well, they might.
They might have actually completely lucked boxed out on this this Montrezl Harrell thing because he was a free agent and people were speculating what money he was getting.
A weird tweener guy.
It z he's got a he's awesome.
This year was terrible in the bubble, But it was awesome this year, and it was very much looking like some team.
He was like prime for like, a bad team toe over pay.
That's kind of where it was gonna be.
Especially, very weak free agent class that it was He was just He was gonna be this classic guy that some team that wasn't gonna know how to use them correctly was gonna resign him.
He was so bad in the bubble that I wonder if they actually did lop some money off the upside on the contract and they'll be able to bring him back a cheaper number because he was just And look, I get yet I get he was out of the bubble.
I believe you co vid and it's not It's not his fault.
And if you're sick and I get it and there's something to be done about it, Unfortunately, the results were the results.
He was unplayable.
He was absolutely brutal.
When he was in the game, they couldn't get any of the two man stuff that it destroyed.
Other teams second teams all season because all of a sudden you gotta play their team starters and the blue will and dressing doesn't look as good.
It's OK, but I wonder if they actually do end up taking a discount on him.
Paul George is gonna be on the team like yeah, like he's gonna This is this is the team.
And I know other places probably wanna throughout, like fake trades around him.
Maybe that exists.
Maybe it doesn't.
I don't think the Clippers, the Clippers gonna run this back and they'll just say And maybe maybe what happens is they just have a different approach next year and they just say, Look, we can't do this thing like we gassed at the end of the season because we just didn't have enough reps of 40 minute games.
And that's what happens when you're good.
And this happens when your second unit obliterates the other team's second unit with Lou Williams and Montreal.
That's what happened to them a lot this season.
Those guys really, when you have a good bench or you play your starters a lot, it masks, it masks deficiencies later when you really have to tighten things up and that that is what happened to the Clippers here.
But they're gonna run it back, and they just gonna have to hope that these are teams just get a little bit worse.
And maybe, like maybe this is Maybe this is a once in a lifetime.
You know, asteroid hits Earth kind of thing.
But, man, I'm still I'm still just like it is an indictment to somebody, and it's quite takes a little bit of the hip.
Just because I don't know, he's quiet.
The track record speaks for itself.
But Paul George, this guy cannot walk into, like when they have the MBA superstars dinner, and he's wondering why he isn't invited.
There's he can look at a lot of different stuff and say, What do you want us to do, man? We can't invite everybody.
You know, Not everyone gets.
Not everyone gets to come to the Hilton for the meeting of the superstars.
Oh, he's there, But he's just passing out dinner rolls.
You know, see if anybody has a little extra water at the table.
Well, so funny about him, because, like Jimmy Butler, these guys all deserve to be there, and then you looking like Jimmy Butler.
You're like, like we're gonna let Jimmy in. I think.
Hold back there, Paul.
I know no one would have said that before the season started, but Jimmy gets to come.
I'm not sure you dio, and we'll see if you could just turn it around for another season.
Yeah, he just he didn't do themselves any favors is basically the whole bubble.
Well, by the way, we'll get over the Eastern Conference.
But I'll go back and say that if Porzingis doesn't get hurt, and if Luke is 100% healthy in that last Siri's, I think that maybe it's a different result, like it's easy to look at that now based on what happened against the Nuggets.
But I'll make the case that when they were healthy and remember, they got bailed out there in that first game.
When poor Zynga's gets the double tech after a ticky tack early foul and then get a little chippy later on like they could have lost to the to the to a healthy Dallas Mavericks team, they easily could have lost in that in that first syriza's well, so that even that's a great point because you're like, Oh, that was over achieving.
They stole one like you're like, Well, I don't know if we looked at this thing, eyes that really what happened, because that's a great point.
I even thought about that part where that serious was kind of weirdly close when it didn't feel like it should have been.
And maybe it wasn't Dallas playing over their head.
Maybe we just like the Clippers are who they are, and this was gonna be a struggle throughout, and it was.
And and even if they made it through last night, they get trounced by L.
A. Or if the other Lakers.
Yeah, that's a great point, I think.
The Dallas, the Dallas Siris, in retrospect, yet to feel a lot better.
If you're Dallas, I think, Yeah, and that's why, again, going to the next next year.
I don't know where L. A really.
The Clippers shuffle into this order now because there are teams getting better, and maybe you're just not quite as good as you thought you were going to be.
And the regular season could be misleading.
Listen, I won't overreact to it the way some people are, but it will make for an interesting.
That's an interesting run for Cohen PG out there.
If the net result is that, I think it's the Clippers, right, longest, longest without an appearance in the Western Conference final in the conference finals in any sport, 50 years like I don't know if you're gonna get over that.
I don't know if you're gonna check that box over the length of these contracts.
So the other one, of course, was the first game there for the Miami Heat in the Boston Celtics, which I felt so good about the way I The way I predicted it pre game, where I thought, I think the over under was 208 and I said, Listen, give you 104 101 of 3 99 Boston Celtics victory And it looked like I was basically on point there and the the Heat or running so inconsistent with 18 point quarters and 37 point blow ups.
And then I think, a 16 point quarterback with 35 points just to get the overtime.
If you're gonna have Bam Auto Bio showing up with that kind of block against Boston's best player, one of the best players in the league and Tatum and making that kind of stop it just completely flipped by.
Perception on it.
And even though I think if you play that exact same type of game with the exact same stat lines for almost every player short of Kemba Walker, I think Boston wins that more often than not, because they were consistent every single, every single quarter along the way, and I just I don't know.
I guess it's Miami is also doing their thing in the Eastern Conference, where they keep surprising me.
The block made me audibly.
I very rarely audibly yell something, unless it's a buzzer beater like Luca hits the buzzer beater against the Clippers at one game and Ogi hits the buzzer beater.
And that's where you're gonna get me like a little bit of like Do the whoa, you know, making my wife and kids look up to wonder what's going on because they're not paying attention.
The band block might be the first defensive staff or defensive play.
That game that I got the they got the woah because I could not believe.
I just couldn't believe you blocked it like it defied physics that his wrist didn't snap off into the basket.
Like even when they re showed it.
I was like this.
Just how did his hand? How this risk have enough strength to be ableto to be ableto with ability or whatever it was right? Not only that, but just tea time.
It's so perfectly on the dunk that he gets full ball on that.
I just that was, yeah, I couldn't think of another the LeBron rundown block on Iggy in, in when the words played the Cavs, that one was a close one and still wasn't because that game had so many of those moments kind of leading into that, that it was so back and forth.
And it was it was being played a really fast paced.
At that point, it was breakneck, and I was just kind of so nervous that really wanted the calves to win that championship.
So, so badly, Um, so that one, I guess, I guess, is there.
But even steals could never could never ring out.
Nothing can ring out as much as just a full reverse posterized block, and that's even even even like the blocks that just send you into the crowd.
Don't have the same effect.
That's like, Oh, you know, like, that's nice, But this block I'm sorry.
I'm starting to get sweaty over a block, but that was it really was just such a great play.
Well, you know, those swats to the crowd are always like they're great to see, but usually on those ones when they showed the replay, you go.
Oh, you could just grab that.
You know, you didn't have to.
It's kind like a signature swat that you throw out there.
The big thing about it for me was to like everything you mentioned.
And then on top of it, Tatum had clear path.
Full head of steam like this is throw the poster up on your wall, young kids and idolized this guy going forward.
Everything was lined up for to your point for being on a boat to be like, Good Lord, get me out of the game, Coach.
I just left some of my digits up on the rim here, and instead he gets the block.
Yeah, and it's also in the moment of this is this is the defining moment of the game.
This is closing seconds.
This is when the gameplay so going into it.
I I looked at the depth off Boston specifically, like from a scoring standpoint, You saw Marcus Smart have a really big game.
You know, you can rely on Jalen Brown.
You know, you can rely on Tatum.
And I just thought that those pieces combined with some of the defensive a***en, we're going to be the differences here.
But if auto Biocon have this type of impact on a game, not I'm just a block had nine assists in this game as well.
Like there's a really well balanced contribution there from Miami.
Even when Robinson starts and plays small minutes, has a bad shooting night hero comes in and it wasn't great, but still hit some buckets and you had a really consistent performance for a lot of guys, including God, the veteran drag.
It's just lead the team 29 points.
I I assume that they'll overcome this relative to the Siri's.
But in this type of matchup, Game one victory does become pretty crucial because you're not going.
I don't think you're just gonna get a run.
You know, multiple games where there's real blowouts one way or the other on this.
These were going to be tight.
Well again, I said about the heat.
I love that All season long they played possible with their actual starting lineup.
Was all season long.
They started Kendrick Nunn somehow made first team.
I get why he did it, but he made first team all rookie, and it doesn't even basically doesn't even play in the playoffs.
They started none.
They start Duncan Robinson still there, Obviously, Jim Butler. Bam.
And they started Meyers Leonard, two of those five guys who just buried now, and I like they just played a different starting Atlanta.
I think that so, No, I honestly think it was so no scout.
I don't think they just they're Spoelstra is not like it.
Turns out this is the better starting line.
I don't actually think that they did this on purpose.
I think they did it so that they knew what they were going to sort of close with.
Like, we'll win enough games in the East.
We don't care if they have home field, whole home field.
She's home court advantage or not and we're just gonna play with a different team and then you'll figure it out like you have to figure it out on the fly.
But what we're gonna do because two of those five guys they started all season.
Meyers, Leonard, I knew was gonna be a guy didn't start in the playoffs because they just they played in, like, 10 minutes a game.
I don't know why they did, but the fact that they played possible year, I loved it.
It's such a It's such an awesome, funny thing to do.
Tyler Hero had to steal with the bounce pass the Bam, which was just absolutely incredible.
That guy's a rookie.
Didn't have to be so disappointed that Kendrick Nunn made first team all rookie over him because again, why they? It was so ridiculous to save this, to not have the bubble count on voting for stuff when, how many games? I know these air playoff games so it wouldn't account for the awards anyway.
The public games, the fact that was like it was like a 15% of the year was playing the bubble, even the regular season games.
It's so crazy that these things didn't work out anyway.
One thing where I want to say about the heat if the No matter what happens now, from here on out, Definitely The thing that we've talked about a lot this year about not knowing what it takes to win the championship is back and alive in the MBA.
Because we talked about all season long with warriors.
Do not that we're a team with Katie does not exist anymore.
That unbeatable team that no one could be.
You could combine two teams together and they were gonna have trouble, probably beating the Warriors team.
I'm being serious about that number.
The, um and I get the Toronto beat them.
Last year, Durant and Claire were hurt at the end so that it doesn't get, um, the fact that you can take a lot of different approaches now and have a bite of the apple, which I'm gonna put all these teams that if you make it to the conference finals, you have a bite of the apple like you are.
You're there, right? Denver is there.
Are they gonna beat the Lakers? Probably not.
I don't know If they beat the Clippers, the Lakers will go down 31 to start. Then the Lakers.
We could kind of figure out they have to of the top five best players and basketball team.
So that makes sense.
Um, the heat have none of the top 20.
Maybe depending on where you wanna put Butler.
Um and so that's a different way.
Where do you want to rank, Tatum? I don't know.
There they you could make a case.
They don't have to top 10 guys on the team.
You could make a case.
They don't have one where you want to rank, Tatum.
My point is, there's a lot of different blueprints now to getting there, and it sure seems like it's exciting because you can't walk into a season and be like I just have these two guys were gonna win that part's over.
We just saw it with PG and quiet like they just how two guys go out.
They did not win.
That it's so exciting because a random a random team, which is where the damp championship and I'm gonna put Denver, Miami and Boston is a random championship team because these teams were not in the top five of overall odds to win the championship going to the year.
Well, that's when you go back and you think about the Western Conference again next year, you're gonna be seeing Luca and Christoph support Zynga's.
Okay, that those are two guys now, I can tell you if I like them better than Jamal Murray and the Joker, But what I know for sure is both these Both these teams have to quality guys and then some pieces around them is, well, likewise for Boston.
Maybe they only have true one.
Because maybe you want to Gordon Hayward to be that guy Injuries.
But I love it to your point.
You go back to those Golden State Warrior days in the ship that it created the league around three point shooting percentage in the ****ytics of it all.
You can also look back now and kind of reflect on it and say what that may also mean is that was the right combination of the right players running that type of system to be able to win championships that way.
Then they bring in Katie, and it just adds to that you get the best three point shooter, the second best three point shooter, the best mid range shooter and the best defender on your team in the n b A.
You're just gonna win every leader like you're gonna whatever year.
But if you're I guess my point is, if you're a team right now, so many teams are gonna have title aspirations next year.
Not Let's make a run next year.
You can if, like the Heat win this year, you can.
Maybe every team has this aspiration every year, But maybe not realistically, if the Heat or the Celtics of these teams that are sort of more built a little not around, you know, they have, like, a collection of their parts.
Yeah, Yokich is a superstar.
Sure, Tatum probably is to where we wanna put Butler.
But there's a lot of guys sort of like that. Maybe not Yokich.
But they're sort of guys like that in the N b A.
And you might just say to yourself, Hey, man, if we just, like, do a lot of things correctly, we have a chance.
It's not like before where we don't have a chance.
We could do everything we can have LeBron and some other guys, and we just don't have so gonna be an uphill battle.
That's not the case anymore.
You can walk in there maybe 89 teams that say to themselves, Hey, man, we got a chance here.
If this goes right for us, if we played really, really well and that's that has not been the case for a long time, and that's to the Miami Heat's benefit as well.
I don't know what the expectations were.
I think the layoff to your point about the roster that you were running during the year versus who you bring into the bubble and start, you know, and start getting into the rotation.
That prop that layoff helps coaches like a Spoelstra toe to take a step back.
Popovich did it with the Spurs.
Now they can have short.
They had much less expectations on them as they got into that eight game restart.
But to take a step back and look at the roster and think about the potential matchups you're gonna face and try to determine, how do we build this roster now into the playoffs? That may look different but may also be our best route.
They benefit now from having success here, and there was talk about them going after guys in the off season.
They can kind of be a lot more selective now.
They can say, we maybe don't you know, John is whatever any of these names you want to throw out there like we don't need to go Big splash.
Maybe we just need to tweak sum of our parts if we make it to the Finals and losing six to the Lakers or whatever it may be.
So from that standpoint, at least from the MBA concerned, I love you know, I love you know, I love starting a season where anyone can win, and that's the beauty of some other sports of the MBA has lacked seeing these teams that air that are left here.
If you're the Blazers right, and you're like, man, maybe we add 1.
5 more parts worth that.
We could be up there, right? There's the list is the list can get pretty long.
All of a sudden, the teams that can talk themselves into whether it's all gonna be realistic, I don't really know.
But if you look at your team and you say we have a nice core, if we just kind of play the rest of our parts correctly.
We have a chance that the list is that the list has never been that long a zoo, long as it is now.
I mean, look, you honest goes to Miami next year. Maybe the list gets a lot shorter.
I don't think it's gonna really happen, but, um, you know, maybe the list gets a lot shorter, But in terms of how things are now, it's not even a guarantee that if you team up with your friend as a superstar, I mean, maybe this the next problem, by the way, the next is gonna be awesome next year to for theoretically.
Like, um, I was gonna say, I'll still go.
The superstar wages from a Brooklyn Nets person.
I'll definitely go the superstar way nine times out of 10.
But I don't know, I guess again, it depends where you rank Tatum and where you rank Butler.
But these are not guys that walked into.
Okay, let me put them.
We've raised This is not These are guys that you walk into the season's top 10 MBA players like Okay, so where they are now, Okay, they are there.
They're there now, but or maybe they're not or where they are wherever they are.
But going to the season.
I don't think you put either Tatum or or Butler as top 10 talents and they're both one of those two is gonna be in the finals, right? Like so that's gonna be guaranteed one of those two guys in the files now, right and relative to say, like a thing like Boston.
I think that you go back the last X number of years.
They've been a very consistent team.
They're there in the Eastern Conference, consistently, And maybe to your point about now, are you going to be in, uh, NBA title aspirations every single season Eastern Conference finals, everything? Maybe not, but with consistency and keeping these parts together, you can bubble up now.
The Miami is done it.
You know, you're one of the of their, you know, individual process.
But Boston, these are all familiar guys.
You bringing Kemba Walker. But you had brown.
You've had smart.
You've had Tatum as they get better and better and they reach their peaks.
That's when you get that surge and you get a couple of year window and arguably as a fan, you probably like that method because you're on the rise, your consistent and you get these couple of shots at the title when you take a big splash.
And it's easy to do this now about the Clippers.
When you make a big splash with CO I M p g and you don't make it to the Western Conference finals.
All of a sudden, that methodology gets a lot more subtle.
And I think teams like the slow and steady I mean, look, Lakers, when the Lakers win it all, then never mind.
All gets thrown out the window because it's like just get the two best guys for sure.
And that's, you know, probably likely to happen at this point, but in general, I just the NBA's in a cool place.
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