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and we're back.
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What's going on? Everybody Railroad here.
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That man is Carter Carter, Carter Carney from Carter. Commentary.
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Of course.
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I'm from ESPN Sports stock.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is DPM Commentary coming at you every Tuesday and Thursday.
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Live on SportsCastr And now also on the railroad Channel on YouTube.
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Really excited Corner.
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How you doing, buddy? Good.
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How you doing? Good.
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Let's jump right into it.
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All right, because we got it.
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I mean, we had a whole show plan, and now the whole show is done, right? That's the way life goes sometimes, though.
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So a few hours ago, news came out that the New England Patriots are shopping a Mr Odell Beckham Jr.
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And I gotta tell you, man, when I think about it, it just seems like a match made in heaven.
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And Odell to the Patriots just makes too much sense.
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It doesn't just make sense.
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It makes too much sense.
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What are your thoughts on it? Do you want to see a guy like Odell on the Patriots? Do you think a deal could get done? I've heard the Browns want a lot.
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What do you think the Patriots would get him for And could you just imagine watching Cam Newton toss and touchdown passes toe Odell Beckham Jr.
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And what would Tom Brady think? Man, I would absolutely love it if we brought him in.
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I still think he's a stud.
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I just don't think he likes it there in Cleveland.
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He hasn't had very good quarterback play.
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He's had Eli Manning.
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Last year, he had Daniel Jones.
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Oh, no. Last year he had Baker Mayfield.
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So in this serious baker, Mayfield again, Baker doesn't look like he's going to be all that great so far.
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Um, I think he wants to come and play with Cam Do and they were practicing together in the offseason, and I'd love to see him play together.
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I think the issue is that Cleveland Browns are gonna want a lot for him, and Belichick obviously is notorious for being very stingy when it comes to giving up draft picks or anything like that.
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So I think they're gonna have to let him go for a little bit lower than they probably would want Thio.
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If not, I don't know what they're going to do with them, I would argue, though I mean, if you're willing to give up a second round draft pick from Mohammed Sunu.
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You've got to be willing to give up a least a first for Odell Beckham.
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Look, there's three reasons Odell Beckham makes so much sense to me.
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Number one Back in 2018 the Patriots were aggressively pursuing a trade with the Giants to trade for Odell Beckham Jr.
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If you believe the reports and the rumors that came out, a trade was in place and it was going to happen.
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And then the Giants kind of had second thoughts.
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And the story goes that they sat back and said, Well, if the Patriots want this guy so bad, why are we getting rid of them? Because normally, when the Patriots want somebody, they're going to perform.
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And that's and then they had another convention this season, and he goes to Cleveland the next year.
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So that's reason number one.
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Reason Number two.
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Yes, he's wanted to play with Tom Brady, and he gave him those goat cleats and all that kind of thing.
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But he's also got a lot of really positive things to say about Bill Belichick.
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He's called Bill Belichick, the best coach in the League, said he'd want to goto Foxboro and play for Bill Belichick.
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Sit down, talk football with Belichick.
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I think he has a pretty good idea of what that locker room is like and what the expectations are in New England.
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Um, and he seems to be okay with it, and I think I mean, he said in his press conference Sunday.
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He just wants toe win.
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It's all he wants to do and coming to an organization like New England.
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He's obviously coming to a proven winner.
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Number three.
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He has a relationship with Cam Newton already two of them.
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Like you said, we're working out this summer.
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It all makes told.
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And this was before Newton signed with the Patriots.
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This was just, you know, Odell going out with his brawl, getting some stuff done.
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It makes complete and total sense for me, Odell Beckham to New England.
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But it's gonna be a lot I'm hearing just by people.
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I'm talking Thio, who kind of know who are in the know, not people within the organization.
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Just, you know, reporters and stuff that I'm friendly with, Uh, from what I'm hearing is Cleveland's asking steep they're talking like a first round in a mid round pick for Odell.
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Now I have zero issues with the Patriots giving up a first round pick.
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Bill Belichick doesn't draft great in the first round.
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Anyways.
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I know he usually flips that from or picks.
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But if you're getting a proven talent like back in junior, I'm fine with it.
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But given up a first and a mid round, that's a steep price.
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I mean, how old is Odell? I think he's only 29 28 29 he still has three years left on his contract.
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It's a big contract, though, is it not? It is, Yeah, but I think I read today that it's not all guaranteed.
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So they if they wanted to, they could cut them and not really pay a lot of money if they had Thio.
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Okay, he's actually 27.
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He'll be 27 member.
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He's even younger.
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I just want to take a look at what his contract looks.
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Yeah, he's still young, especially for you. For a receiver.
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He's still young.
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I wonder, too.
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If they would do like a Randy Moss, where it's like, Hey, we're gonna trade you, But you gotta play for less and we're gonna trade for you.
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But here's what we're gonna pay you and this is what You know what I mean? We got that's what That's what Bala ejected the mosque.
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He called Moss and said, Hey, there is a deal in place, you know, it's ready to pull the trigger.
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But here's what I'm willing to pay you on.
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You gotta be able to And Moss wanted to win, so he took that cut.
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Odell is oh, this season, $14,000 and then 15 for the next three years.
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But the dead cap is done after this year.
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So if they wanted to cut him next year, they could do that with having no money left on the books.
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They could get rid of them and do that, but I so I wouldn't be surprised if you saw them restructure a contract to maybe bring that down a little bit.
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Now that being said is exciting as it would be toe like I just I get I'm not getting my hopes up on this. Don't get me wrong.
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I mean, I think I threw it on Twitter.
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I can't wait till I see it.
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I want BB to make it happen, that kind of thing.
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But you can't get your hopes up too high.
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But, um what I'm thinking about what they could do with Odell and Julian Edelman.
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How that would open up Nikkila.
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Harry, Harry.
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Of all three of them. Yeah.
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I mean, look, Bill Belichick is not afraid to take a risk on these kind of sort of pre Madonna wide receivers, right? We saw it with Randy Moss.
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We saw it with Josh Gordon, who wasn't really prima Donna became with a lot of problems we saw with With With Kenny Britt.
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We saw it with, um uh, Antonio Brown.
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Um, sometimes it works.
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Sometimes it doesn't.
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Obviously, they hit it out of the park with Randy Moss.
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That didn't work with Antonio Brown.
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Not because of a performance standpoint, because you know Antonio Brown's God issues off the field, right? Um, would you be willing if you were, say, Bill Belichick and you're in a situation where you still got a You got a relatively young team in some sense, but old team, in another sense, would you be willing to bring on a high salary contract, possibly a one season rental.
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If you wanted to move on from that contract and would you give up a first in the mid round for Odell, I would definitely give up a first round for him.
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Just because the chances of someone being better than he is being picked in the first round is pretty slim to none.
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He's already a proven talent.
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We already know what we're gonna get.
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We already know Odell's the first round caliber player and, like you said, if things don't work out at the end of the year, we can't cut it.
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But if not, Bellatrix kind of in control there, because if not, he's on the team for the next two years as well.
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And three years and going forward next season.
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They have all the cap space in the world, so I'm sure they can figure out something then.
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Also, Cam Newton's on a one year deal, so it's kind of like this is a year toe win as well.
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Yeah, eso I would know the answer.
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The question I would depends on.
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It depends on what the middle violent looking if they wanna first and a second, that's pretty steep, but like a first and a third.
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Maybe a first in the forth.
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Definitely.
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They have a bill and Bill Belichick.
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Lando like a first in the third or first in the forth.
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That's like three draft picks, right? That is the way he flips around picks, right? Eso it's Look, I'm not saying I wouldn't pull that off, either.
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But trying to put my Bill Belichick thinking cap on, I guess we could say that, Z.
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That's kind of where I look at it now.
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Schematically.
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Okay, I was gonna say schematically, Does Odell fit in with this current Patriots team? But I don't think the Patriots have a scheme yet.
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No, I don't think so.
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So I think that we would just see them building the scheme, you know, sort of around the weapons that they have and trying to put everybody in the in the best position to to play.
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And I mean, look, I was pretty impressed with the Patriots offensive line over the weekend.
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It's ah, a big difference from last season.
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Uh, there's a little bit have to do with them playing Miami.
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There's a little bit have to do that with the run game and how they kind of just, you know, they had to respect the run.
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They had to respect Newton running. They had to respect the past.
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It was that a little bit, maybe, but I thought the offensive line held up really well.
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Good for Jermaine, Alumina or two.
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Primarily a guard to step in and play that right tackle position.
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Um, I would feel confident with Cam Newton standing in the pocket, tossing the ball down the field to to Odell.
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And let's not forget, I mean, back in 2015 when he had Steve Smith and was the M V P and went to a Super Bowl.
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When Odell has receivers, Hey could hit them.
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You know, like you look at Nick Ill.
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Harry.
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I mean to kill Harry had probably the best game is a professional football player.
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Hey did until he fumbled the ball in the goal line, which would have, you know, led to another touchdown.
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I know that because he was actually having a great game up until that point.
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He is.
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And can we all chill out on the nikkila? Harry hate just to digress for a little bit like I've seen some of the just the **** being said about right.
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People hate him already.
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It z half of a season.
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He's half of the season in.
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So he was out the first eight weeks last year.
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And now we're one game into this week.
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Yeah, this season.
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I mean, he just played his eighth game and somebody was showing the numbers on, uh, somebody was just trying to, like, calm the waters and was like, Hey, you know Gronkowski in his first eight games, fumbled the ball in the goal line last season.
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You know? All right, it's for as a rookie, I mean, and then someone like, Yeah, but he was way more productive in his first eight games in the keel hair he was.
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And then they looked at the numbers and the kill.
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Harry has more catches than in his first in his in their first eight games combined, but two different positions, two different things Gronkowski obviously turned into, you know? Uh, probably the best never played the game.
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Not this season.
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He looks like an old beat up, irrelevant tight end, But he did not.
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He did not look young.
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Uh, no.
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Prior to his first retirement.
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Let me ask you, and we'll get back on to the receiver conversation here in a second.
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But let me ask you something, man.
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Were you Are you a little bit happy that the Patriots or want to know? And Tom Brady is all in one? Um, not necessarily happy.
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I'm happy.
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The Patriots or want to know I'm not too concerned with what happens with the bucks.
00:11:17
I didn't really care if they won or lost that much.
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Um, I don't know, though.
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I thought they were gonna The offense is gonna be really good on the Buccaneers.
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I was kind of excited to see what they look like, and they did not look like what I expected.
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I thought that game was gonna be like a really close shoot out, like, right to the end That that would be a really good game.
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And it was kind of a gut.
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It was, like, over in the staff.
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Yeah, It's almost like a noodle arm.
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Peyton Manning, man, he was a noodle arm at the end.
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I know we're upset.
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I'm upset in a lot of people by saying that so but I don't want to see Brady go out like paying.
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Manning went out.
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Although Peyton Manning went out winning the Super Bowl.
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I saw you like I'm, uh I appreciate everything that Tom Brady did for this organization.
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I was 14 years old when he entered the league.
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My daughter is 14 years old.
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You know eso That's how long I've been a Tom Brady fan.
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Um, I appreciate everything that that guy did for this organization and whatnot, but I cheer for the team, not the player.
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You know, I'm not wishing bad things on him, but I don't want to see him win a Super Bowl.
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I don't want a guy to walk away.
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And do you? Have you started reading the dynasty yet? Yes, I have.
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I've read quite a bit of it.
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It starts to open a good book, man.
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It's really, really good.
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Anyone who's watching should look into it.
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If they're Patriots a football fan, Jeff Benedict has done a really good job job.
00:12:41
I am.
00:12:42
I am gonna point out, though, that one thing that really occurred to me today is dream.
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You know, it's funny how Robert Kraft ferociously protected Tom Brady like during Deflate Gate and all this kind of stuff, but he's never publicly stood up for Bill Belichick through other things.
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You know what I mean? It just, um, crafts involvement in the organization to the success and then some of the the contributions.
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He's had two failures, and the organization has been very, very interesting to read.
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I've been right now I'm just They just won Super Bowl 49.
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That's where I am in the book.
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I'm in the snowball.
00:13:24
You're in the snowball.
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Yeah, it's just it's It's when you start getting in the mindset of Robert Kraft and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and they start dissecting that kind of stuff's very, very interesting dynamic of how things went down in in in New England.
00:13:40
And I think I'm starting to get into the controversy a little bit.
00:13:44
But it's funny because they keep talking in the book about how you know Brady was getting sick of being berated by Belichick and team meetings, and he was just looking for affection.
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And it's not so.
00:13:55
It did make me smile a little bit when Bruce Arians is out just publicly bashing Tom Brady right on, you know, e it was and I wrote yesterday because areas was like, he needs to compete more, and he needs to be more dedicated and great things out of blah, blah.
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And I was, like, translated to Belichick, We need to work better, Coach.
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Better play that.
00:14:18
You know, eso Maybe you got your, You know, maybe you got shoot out a little bit Johnny Foxboro in the meeting room, But I don't ever recall Bill Belichick calling him out to the media.
00:14:29
No, never. Never.
00:14:31
So it's never called anyone else to the media? No, but never heard that reliving the whole deflate gate scandal.
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Yeah, Andi, they did like a word for word on Bill Belichick.
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Statement of the flight gate.
00:14:44
Um, I didn't realize at the time.
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Maybe I forgot, but re listening to it, like in really getting the He really kind of did hang Brady out to dry in that situation, he basically said I've never asked anybody to do anything.
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And, uh, if you want to know about, you know, preferences for the football, you gotta ask Tom.
00:15:02
Oh, really? I don't even remember that.
00:15:05
I didn't really remember it. Neither.
00:15:07
And I just remember thinking the whole deflate Gate was crazy and reliving, like reading this book.
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I'm kind of living in my mind and they're talking about like how Rosie O Donnell was on the view.
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Say another Patriot should be, you know, not allowed to go to the Super Bowl, you know? But it was like it was just like all these.
00:15:26
It became like a topical conversation and all these sort of different platforms and different things.
00:15:32
And but, yeah, Belichick And and Brady's first press conference that he did about the Flake eight was because of Belichick's conference.
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And Brady's assistant messaged him and said Belichick just hung us out to dry.
00:15:47
Yeah, so, uh, the PR person of the Patriot don't even want Brady to do the press conference.
00:15:55
Yeah, I feel like he had no choice At that point, though, the media was just gonna wait.
00:15:58
They're gonna pounds as soon as he had to take the stand.
00:16:02
Let me ask you some.
00:16:03
Do you believe that he knew about the footballs? Kind of. Yeah.
00:16:08
I think they were doing something.
00:16:09
I think he was trying toe trying to make him like, whatever.
00:16:12
Firmness he wanted to get it.
00:16:13
Thio.
00:16:14
Yeah, I don't know.
00:16:16
I 100% believe he doctored football's.
00:16:18
Yeah, I just You know, um, I remember Troy Aikman talking about him saying that, you know, Brady definitely knew hey said that every quarterback did it like some of them would have wanted to be s.
00:16:32
Oh, yeah, Like Aaron Rodgers wants his balls to be like, like, over inflated past the legal limit.
00:16:39
So that's but I 1000 just like the Patriots knew they were doing wrong in Spy Gate.
00:16:45
Um, you know, I'm so sick of the ideal gas law and all that kind of stuff.
00:16:49
You know, the guy brought the balls into the bathroom for a minute and a half, like bringing the balls in the bathroom for a minute.
00:16:54
Brady smashes his phone and all that kind of stuff.
00:16:57
But, you know, the biggest thing is, is I'm not going to spoil the book for anybody or for you, because you're not even there yet, But, um, through the deflate gate thing, though after you see everything that Robert crafted for Roger Goodell.
00:17:13
Yeah, you're gonna be like behind the scenes, like, personally dead.
00:17:18
For Roger Goodell, you're going to be even more ****ed that the four game suspension and everything went down.
00:17:22
Right? Okay, Like basically that whole ray Rice thing.
00:17:26
Yeah, I guess I'm spoiling it a little bit.
00:17:28
But that whole Ray Rice situation and the domestic assault, all that kind of stuff.
00:17:32
There were groups and owner's calling for Roger to step down.
00:17:37
It was Kraft that this happened in 2014.
00:17:42
This happened in the same year.
00:17:45
It was Kraft who lobbied the rest of the owners this stand behind Goodell, regardless of his colossal gaffe of Onley suspending Ray Rice for two games.
00:17:57
Yeah, and then, you know, and then that new report came out.
00:18:00
They got that FBI guy, the Robert Mueller or was not Mueller.
00:18:03
Uh, I forget who the guy was. I know.
00:18:07
I know him.
00:18:08
He came out and did.
00:18:09
The report said that, you know, the NFL had enough knowledge into the Ray Rice case and all this kind of like Goodell got hung out to dry right.
00:18:16
It was craft that protected Goodell.
00:18:20
It was Kraft who lobbied to get Goodell hired for the Patriots.
00:18:25
And yet, at the end of the day, when it came to having to help the Patriots, Goodell hung craft and radio to dry.
00:18:30
Yeah, he certainly did.
00:18:32
It's funny, and even Roger Goodell, I read already was like a big part of the Patriots staying in Foxboro instead of moving to Connecticut.
00:18:40
That was insane.
00:18:41
He that he was doing all these like off the book deals because Kraft couldn't negotiate with with With With With Fox were with Foxboro.
00:18:48
But he wanted He didn't want him to go toe thio Connecticut, either.
00:18:52
No, because they would have been too close to New York.
00:18:54
They would have been close toe the Giants in Pittsburgh and and they thought with the new TV deals, they needed a Boston market, right? That's a big market crazy good book, Crazy good book.
00:19:05
It's so funny because they show you so much behind the scenes stuff, and it's it's just nuts.
00:19:10
Like all that goes into it, it's and it's really funny because I know 95% of what I'm reading.
00:19:17
But they give you these like little tidbits, these little really behind the scenes that you didn't know about, you know, private conversations here.
00:19:24
It's like nothing has has flat out shocked me yet, like I never saw this coming.
00:19:30
But it was kind of like, you know, craft, How smart of a businessman he was, like buying the parking lot.
00:19:35
And then that was insane.
00:19:36
Yeah, basically forced the sale.
00:19:40
The Patriots to him, you know, 23 sales.
00:19:43
And they finally went, **** it, we got to give it toe craft.
00:19:46
You know, um, just so many.
00:19:50
Just just so many little intricate details.
00:19:53
I didn't know that was like, That's what I'm finding.
00:19:57
Really cool.
00:19:58
And I hate Bill Parcells.
00:19:59
Now, by the way, I don't know about you, but after book, I mean, no, no, no women on the flight.
00:20:04
He was a different word that started with the B.
00:20:05
But, you know, no bees on the flight and this and that.
00:20:08
It's like such a like old school.
00:20:11
Misogynistic, just, I guess.
00:20:13
Yeah, he their book makes him makes him seem like he's a real a hole.
00:20:19
Just all the stuff, how the whole thing.
00:20:21
And with him in New England, everything.
00:20:23
And then he crinkles up the facts.
00:20:26
What the Patriots wanted to tell Belichick and those in the trash.
00:20:29
It's the whole beef between him and Belichick that he was so upset with Belichick about is exactly what he did to New England.
00:20:38
It was the exact same thing that he did to New England.
00:20:42
It's just, I don't know.
00:20:43
It's funny to me, All right, let's get back on track here.
00:20:46
I think we could talk about the dynasty all night, but let's let's get back on track.
00:20:51
So if for some reason Belichick doesn't wanna make this big move for Odell Beckham Jr.
00:20:56
There's now rumors floating around that Alan Robinson.
00:20:58
The Chicago Bears is disgruntled and wants out of Chicago over his contract.
00:21:03
Now reports came out.
00:21:04
I think about two hours ago that he has demanded a trade.
00:21:07
His agent is now denying that they have not demanded trade from the Chicago Bears.
00:21:13
But I think you could get him a little bit cheaper from a draft pick standpoint.
00:21:19
Definitely.
00:21:20
And but people are gonna wanna look at his, um, they're gonna wanna look at his contract and because that's what I heard.
00:21:28
A lot on Twitter today is well, his contract is so much better than than Odell's and that's what we want him.
00:21:33
But I think he he wants a new contract right, which is why he wants to be traded.
00:21:37
Yes, people need to understand.
00:21:38
If the Patriots make a trade for Alan Robinson, that's going to come with a big time contract attached to it.
00:21:46
Um, and he's making.
00:21:48
He made $16 million last season.
00:21:50
He's making $15 million this season.
00:21:53
He's in a restricted free agent next season.
00:21:54
He wants.
00:21:55
He wants more money.
00:21:57
You know him.
00:21:58
He doesn't feel like he's getting market value by by getting that $15 million.
00:22:05
So, um, it's not gonna be cheap, right? So I think people need Thio.
00:22:12
Understand that it's not gonna be cheap to bring in Allen Robinson.
00:22:15
I'd rather odell on for 15 million with no dead cap attach and give up a high draft pick than one 100%.
00:22:21
Yeah, I would agree completely, I think Odell, if you I mean right now he hasn't looked great.
00:22:27
I think, given the right cir***stances, he's he's a better player.
00:22:30
I'm gonna be honest with you, too, though, like what I saw in the Cleveland game on on Sunday because I watched that King because one of you know, one of my partners on SportsCastr news is, um, the Ravens fan.
00:22:43
So we're gonna break down that game.
00:22:45
I can't believe Modell for what happened.
00:22:47
They just They just got smoked, right? They did. Yeah.
00:22:51
And look.
00:22:52
And the other thing, too is is Odell is the better receiver.
00:22:57
Um, Odell, I know, and I don't know why.
00:23:00
People don't think he isn't, but Odell is the better receiver since two.
00:23:04
They both came in in 2014.
00:23:07
Okay, Okay.
00:23:08
Six seasons yet or they're in the sixth.
00:23:10
Yeah.
00:23:11
Allan Robinson has 4800 total yards.
00:23:14
Odell is 6500.
00:23:15
You know, Odell has 48 touchdowns, Robinson has 33 so I just don't get it.
00:23:25
And they both kind of had a couple of seasons where they missed time.
00:23:29
So people can't turn around and say that Odell had a four game in a one game season.
00:23:33
Uh, Robinson had a couple of one game seasons.
00:23:36
Besides that, they've all the Odell has played 76 games.
00:23:41
Alan Robinson's played 73 right? So they're pretty dead.
00:23:45
Even in that sense, they're pretty dead even.
00:23:47
And they both played with bad quarterbacks like you can't turn around and say, Oh, he said Mitchell, Robiskie and I guess Blake Bortles and you know, when he played in Jacksonville and that kind of thing.
00:23:58
No, The end of the day it's Odell is is the better receiver.
00:24:02
Um, he's, uh, like people are like, Well, Alan Robinson had 1100 yards last year.
00:24:07
I'm like, Yeah, it's only the second time in his career had 1000 yards and Odell had 10 35.
00:24:11
And guess what? The year before that with the Giants at 10 52 and he had 1300 yards of 1400 yards and 1300 yards every season, the guy has played 16 games.
00:24:20
He's had over 1000 yards and receiving.
00:24:24
Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.
00:24:26
I think Alan Robinson is good.
00:24:28
I wouldn't be upset if they went and got him.
00:24:30
But if given the option between the two, I think Odell is hands down, the better option E to.
00:24:35
I think that if Belichick had to make a move, your they're gonna invest financially, you're going to invest in PICS, right? Um, what's the most right now? Are the Patriots in a rebuild? They're going into a rebuild.
00:24:45
Um, bringing in Odell.
00:24:47
I guess we're bringing it.
00:24:48
Robinson, too, But I think legitimize his team.
00:24:50
Even Mawr? Absolutely.
00:24:52
You know, because I don't think we're having this conversation three months ago.
00:24:55
I think you and I are sitting there going Why? You're trading throttle back in junior.
00:24:58
Jared Stidham can throw toe.
00:24:59
You know it Z changed.
00:25:03
Yeah, it's changed a lot.
00:25:04
I no longer look at this is like a rebuild season where hopefully they could go, you know, 10 and 69 and seven in, you know, make it to the wild powered round.
00:25:13
This is back.
00:25:14
This is Patriots football as usual.
00:25:15
That's what I'm hoping for.
00:25:16
And I want to see them go get somebody if they can.
00:25:19
They are.
00:25:20
And they have this killer defense who's gonna Who's gonna be elite this year.
00:25:25
I agree.
00:25:26
The secondary looks phenomenal.
00:25:28
And we didn't even get to watch Joshua J play, you know? And then you got this other kid.
00:25:33
Um, she was good, though. Well, yeah.
00:25:37
I mean, I love seeing him on every play.
00:25:39
You can see his versatility.
00:25:41
What about this Adrian Phillips and he can play linebacker.
00:25:46
I mean, you wanna talk about versatility? That is a Bill Belichick guy.
00:25:49
Certainly, And that was in that thing.
00:25:52
You send me the quote just from Gerard Mayo.
00:25:54
I love it that I I was forgetting that Gerard Mayo is a big part of the defensive play calling now until I started reading that.
00:26:00
And then that reminded May.
00:26:01
And, uh, he's got such the Patriots mentality, too.
00:26:05
He's like, I want defensive ends playing linebackers, safeties playing linebackers, you know, vice versa.
00:26:10
And that's that's what makes the Patriots so dangerous.
00:26:12
Man, Such a guy who grew up in the system Seriously, Yeah, that's that was my thought.
00:26:17
Such a guy that grew up in the Patriot system? No, man, Look, I'm I'm jacked about what this team can look like, and I think bringing in a legitimate receiver, whether it's Odell or Robinson, makes this team that much better.
00:26:29
And again.
00:26:30
I think Bill Belichick is going to, and this is the perfect transition in our next subject is, um, it's Bill Belichick is just gonna adapt the game plan based on who his players are and who is playing now.
00:26:40
There was a little bit of a stir on social media today, not a whole lot, but a little bit of a stir because Bill Belichick did mention Tom Brady by name.
00:26:47
Not sure if you saw this.
00:26:48
He did? Yeah.
00:26:50
Basically explaining.
00:26:51
They asked, you know, how did you adapt to game plan with Cam Newton? And he did what? He kind of explain what we all know, at least on this channel here.
00:26:57
I've been talking about it since 2017.
00:27:00
Bill Belichick builds a game plan.
00:27:02
Whether it's offense, defense, special teams, builds it around the strength of the players that are on the field.
00:27:09
Right? And he basically said, we did that.
00:27:12
We did that for Tom Brady.
00:27:13
We built on offense, you know, for Brady strength.
00:27:15
Now we're building one for Cam Newton strength.
00:27:18
I don't think it was a slight or a knock it.
00:27:22
I think it was a dig at all.
00:27:24
People are taking it as a like well on the coach and see a Brady.
00:27:28
You know, I was the system, and I'm just like, you know, not everything these two are going to say about each other is gonna be some personal bashing of the two right? But there's there's such a divide right now, right? It's such a hostile territory, but they adopt that game plan.
00:27:43
And now Josh McDaniels kind of hinted today that, um, everything we saw against Miami.
00:27:48
We may not see against Seattle, you know? So we're expecting to see the same sort of play.
00:27:53
It's, um, Josh McDaniels says they changed their game plan pending on the team that they're playing. Right.
00:28:00
So we'll see.
00:28:01
They Maybe they're gonna They're gonna have Cam Newton stay in the pocket more because he ran a lot.
00:28:04
They look like they were run first team on Sunday.
00:28:07
And we'll see if that changes for Seattle, and I will.
00:28:12
And you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
00:28:13
I like the matchup against Seattle when I started, you know? And I just started sort of my breakdown on it a little bit.
00:28:21
I'm preparing for my other podcast with Joe tomorrow and then when you and I do our picks on Thursday, um, assuming you're here Thursday.
00:28:31
Yeah, I'll be here.
00:28:33
Um, I like to match up, man.
00:28:35
I mean, look, Russell Wilson had a great game completed 88% of his passes we can't take away from now.
00:28:40
Yeah, He looked good But they weren't playing the secondary of the Patriots, either.
00:28:44
I think that Stephon Gilmore Stephon Gilmore can lock down Tyler Lockett.
00:28:49
I think J.
00:28:50
C.
00:28:51
Jackson can lock down D.
00:28:52
K.
00:28:53
Metcalf, and after that, things get a little bit thinner.
00:28:55
And here's the Patriots team who can rush the ball pretty well.
00:28:59
And it's, um, the Seattle, In my opinion, that defense look susceptible to the rush.
00:29:10
Um, you know, they were averaging 40 yards per run.
00:29:13
Atlanta was, and they didn't run the ball a whole lot.
00:29:15
And I'm out.
00:29:16
Ryan had actually crazy, like 500 something yards and passing or 400 something yards and passing like he had stupid crazy starts as well.
00:29:25
Yeah, he kind of looked him up.
00:29:27
He did just not on the scoreboard, right? And I watched it, and it's funny because I was really not just because the Patriots were playing them.
00:29:36
I was really just curious to see.
00:29:40
I was really curious to see this, to see the game because when you see a guy got 88% completion, you just think and I watched it today, um, I watched the condensed version, so it took 45 minutes.
00:29:52
So I watched the game and I kind of sat there and went.
00:29:57
He didn't look as impressive as I thought he was gonna look, you know? And he got, you know, the first touchdown for Seattle.
00:30:05
They got the benefit of a pretty bogus pass interference call.
00:30:08
It wasn't really a penalty in my mind when I saw it.
00:30:11
I watched it a couple of times.
00:30:12
Um, I kind of like the matchup against Seattle.
00:30:16
I'm not gonna Let's put it this way.
00:30:18
I might not come out and say I take it's a pickup game for me and I take him straight up.
00:30:23
But if you're a betting person, man, I'm not laying four points.
00:30:27
Seattle's a four point favorite.
00:30:29
I'm not laying four points.
00:30:30
I'd be taking the Patriots on the spread because it's gonna be a three point game, and any time it's a three point game, it can go in either direction.
00:30:37
Yeah, I agree.
00:30:38
So maybe it was a straight pick up.
00:30:40
I might be leaning Seattle, but if I'm looking appoints, But I'm taking the Patriots, which tells me this is a tossup game, right? And you know what I think the Patriots are gonna benefit big time from the fact that there's not gonna be a crowd.
00:30:51
Wait, is there? Is there a crowd in Seattle? No, right.
00:30:54
Not all season. Not all season.
00:30:56
Okay, so the 12th man will not be a factor.
00:30:59
12 man, no more.
00:31:01
That's gonna be tough for them.
00:31:02
Especially at night.
00:31:03
I feel like always at night the teams go even crazier than prime time.
00:31:07
The crowd, I mean, yeah, it is.
00:31:10
So it's it's going to be an interesting game.
00:31:14
I don't think it's gonna be this blowout that people think.
00:31:17
I mean, look, if anybody wants to entertainment, I suggest that you watch my my thing with Joe tomorrow on his channel.
00:31:22
Knuble Podcasting like that because I know that him and his little sidekick there who I can't stand is gonna pick.
00:31:29
Uh, you know, Seattle, and tell me all these reasons why the Patriots sock and all that? Yeah, They only played Miami and all those other ridiculous crap and I mean, I've got the starts to back it up now.
00:31:39
They can only play who's on the schedule? Well, they can.
00:31:42
But on top of that, though, it's I I've now got some stuff to back it up.
00:31:45
And that's what I want to think and I Look, dude, I think that we got people gotta start showing some respect for J. C.
00:31:52
Jackson.
00:31:53
I agree.
00:31:54
Let me re carry these starts to you because these air these air insane okay in 2019 and these thoughts recording Espy Nation.
00:32:05
Okay, He played 69% of the Patriots snaps.
00:32:08
He was targeted 57 times.
00:32:10
He gave up 22 catches.
00:32:11
That's 38% of his catches for 208 yards.
00:32:14
Dude, the whole the whole time.
00:32:16
The whole season.
00:32:17
Zero touchdowns, five Interstate conception, six pass breakups.
00:32:21
That's absurd.
00:32:22
Okay, According to Pff, in 2018 the quarterback pass rating against J.
00:32:28
C. Jackson passer rating against J.
00:32:30
C. Jackson was 42.
00:32:32
That's first in the league.
00:32:33
Okay, in 2019 he improved quarterback passer ratings 28.
00:32:38
6, Number one in the NFL.
00:32:41
So it's two different sources.
00:32:43
Now You want another stat? NFL Next.
00:32:45
Gen stats raided the top five cornerbacks last season.
00:32:50
Stephon Gilmore number one J.
00:32:52
C. Jackson number two.
00:32:54
Yeah. Wow.
00:32:56
I feel like he gets overshadowed because of how good step on Gilmore is.
00:33:00
But then we forget that JC Jackson's is studying himself.
00:33:04
I think it is well and it's kind of ties in beautifully.
00:33:07
I don't know if you heard these.
00:33:08
These stories were coming down now, but apparently Belichick was shopping.
00:33:11
Stephon Gilmore.
00:33:13
I heard that, Yeah, I heard that.
00:33:14
I didn't know if that was true or if that was mostly a rumor, I don't know, but then they gave a $5 million raise, but I think a lot of it had.
00:33:23
But I think a lot of it had to do a salary cap, to be honest, because at the time when the conversation started round draft time, I remember the Patriots didn't have enough money to sign their draft picks.
00:33:33
They were trying to make moves to sign their draft picks.
00:33:36
And from what I've read and from what I understand and from a couple people who clarified some stuff from me for me from what I understand is is they approached Gilmore about reading to go like restructuring his contract needs had absolutely F and not um and they realize like we need the money and he had a big chunk of money on him and they were shopping him.
00:33:56
And then Hightower opted out.
00:33:58
Chung opted out, you know, And then all of sudden, all this money.
00:34:01
Marcus Cannon opted out and also has money opened up and they were ableto give me a raise because I was gonna talk to you about the whole Jalen Ramsey contract and said, What does that mean for Stefan Gilmore, who is a free agent after the 2021 season? Right? I e.
00:34:14
Feel like he got overpaid me personally. Jalen Ramsey.
00:34:17
I think he's really he's really good.
00:34:19
But honestly, I think he would be the number three cornerback on the Patriots.
00:34:24
Well, the Rams overpaid everybody.
00:34:27
That is true.
00:34:28
That's that's what they dio.
00:34:30
But the issue is, is he now set the market.
00:34:32
So whether he's overpaid or not, when Gilmour becomes a free agent, the mark that's the market.
00:34:37
There's the line, Um, who is better Stefan Gilmore or Stephon Gilmore or J.
00:34:43
Lee Ramsey? And it's Stephon Gilmore believes he's the best cornerback he's gonna want more than Jalen Ramsey money.
00:34:48
You know that Bill Belichick is not gonna be giving him more than what Jalen Ramsey is making.
00:34:52
I think that's why he bumped into five million for this season, right? Well, Bill Belichick has a great track record when it comes to cornerbacks.
00:34:59
I mean, we've had stud cornerbacks for 20 years from Ty Law.
00:35:02
He got Darrelle Revis.
00:35:04
We had Malcolm Butler, who stinks now but was great for a few years there.
00:35:08
And then step on Gilmore.
00:35:09
You replace them with.
00:35:10
I feel like if step on Gilmore leaves will still have J.
00:35:13
C.
00:35:14
Jackson who replaced him with somebody else.
00:35:15
Well, here's the thing.
00:35:18
If that trade would have went through if they would have traded Stephon Gilmore, Jason Jackson could have easily been the number one on this team.
00:35:26
Now it's better to have them both.
00:35:29
Let's not agree.
00:35:30
Agree? Absolutely, Absolutely.
00:35:32
It's better toe.
00:35:33
Have them both, but they could have very easily had Stephon Gilmore step in to that number one position because I was sitting there on the weekend and I didn't even like dawn on me.
00:35:44
I was like, Did Jason McCourty play? I didn't notice if he played either.
00:35:50
Did he play? I don't know.
00:35:52
Let's look up.
00:35:53
I'll look up the stats now, but I was sitting there and all of a sudden I was like, today I was thinking about when I was preparing for the show very rapidly because we had to change.
00:36:01
We had We had a whole plan for today.
00:36:03
I mean, I was sending you stuff.
00:36:04
We had a whole plan, and then all this freaking news came out and changed our whole day.
00:36:07
Right now, a lot of news did come out today, so that will be J thing.
00:36:10
I saw the Allen Robinson thing.
00:36:12
Yeah, but so I'm sitting there like, normally, he's involved in some way, you know what I mean.
00:36:20
And I know what you played.
00:36:21
He wasn't an active, but I'm just trying to pull up the full stats here.
00:36:25
But I was I was a little I was a little shocked.
00:36:30
You know what I mean? That he wasn't like, I don't know, front and center.
00:36:34
I don't know why, right.
00:36:36
Well, you think about it.
00:36:37
I mean, it's gonna be stepped on Gilmore and J C.
00:36:40
Jackson by default all season long, I guess, right? I don't know.
00:36:46
Just Okay, so here we go.
00:36:47
I'm bringing up the defense right now.
00:36:52
He had a tackle.
00:36:53
Hey, he had one tackle, so he played.
00:36:56
I apologize, Jace.
00:36:58
That's not a knock on on you.
00:37:00
I just I don't remember you being on the field.
00:37:03
Me neither.
00:37:05
I remember John Williams being on the field. I remember.
00:37:08
Obviously remember J c and stuff and being on the earth stuff on being on the field.
00:37:12
Devon, remember Devin helping out, right? Well, that's the thing to when I seem according I feel like I always, always assume it's Devon.
00:37:19
So maybe you did see Jason, right? I know that.
00:37:23
I was like, I was super impressed with Phillips.
00:37:26
I know.
00:37:27
Leading tackler on the team.
00:37:29
Uh, he had a pick right to you.
00:37:32
Did have a pick. Yeah, they had three interceptions.
00:37:34
Write stuff on Gilmore.
00:37:36
Remember that one? Yeah.
00:37:37
I remember still stuffing Phillips and then J C Jackson up to do it at the end.
00:37:42
And Juwan Williams had a pretty good game, the whole defense.
00:37:47
I thought it would look great.
00:37:49
And, dude, I mean, you and I talked to nauseum about the middle linebacking position, and we were worried, and it looked I mean, held them the under four rushing yards.
00:37:58
Joanne Bentley in on hits.
00:38:00
I mean, you had Phillips playing some linebacker.
00:38:02
You had guys shifting in and out.
00:38:04
You were missing Josh UCI, who was supposed to be that versatile piece for you.
00:38:09
And, you know, you end up, you know, slide, you know, just other guys doing things.
00:38:15
Um, guys were making plays that are literally and this is my bad that like I forgot we're on the team that like we didn't talk about at all.
00:38:23
You know Anthony Jennings.
00:38:25
When did we ever talk about Anthony Jennings? When did we talk about Eggs? A viewer. Williams.
00:38:29
Brandon Copeland had a pretty solid game, you know, We had a tackle for a loss.
00:38:35
You had three tackles on the day like the whole defense contributed just so beautifully and massively.
00:38:42
And I get they were playing Miami.
00:38:44
Get that.
00:38:46
But I mean, dude, there are only gonna get better.
00:38:50
That's what I liked about it, right? I agree.
00:38:52
I mean, this is the first time they actually got to play football.
00:38:55
That's an actual opponent because obviously no preseason.
00:38:59
So they're only gonna get better. I agree.
00:39:01
The more time they spend with each other the more time they were out there, they're gonna get better as the goes on.
00:39:05
And they have a lot of talent.
00:39:08
So let me ask you this.
00:39:11
So I'm thinking about a couple of different things now, right? Yeah.
00:39:15
Now, Patrick Chung and Dont'a Hightower both could very well retire after this season.
00:39:20
Or they Yeah, or I could see us just moving on.
00:39:23
I don't know.
00:39:25
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
00:39:26
Hightower is due $12 million next year, right? And if they don't miss him, as much as we anticipate, we're gonna miss him this year.
00:39:33
I think they move on.
00:39:36
Yeah, because you could you could cut him and save $10 million in capital.
00:39:40
Right? And, dude, guys, you know, Hightower is my guy.
00:39:45
Like that is my guy I love.
00:39:49
Like that's my favorite.
00:39:50
That that's been my favorite player in the Patriots for the last, you know, four years.
00:39:54
Um, it would break my heart to see 54 leave.
00:39:59
Um, but it broke my heart to see the other, uh, 54 leave on.
00:40:04
And when Bruschi left, and but my boy high and but I'm sitting there going like man like If the defense, especially that middle, keeps playing the way they do, why not say to 10 million? I agree.
00:40:18
I mean, at the end of the day, Bill Belichick's been running this thing like a business since Day one.
00:40:22
So we've seen a lot of really good people who've been really big fan favorites leave.
00:40:29
And you know what? Bill Belichick has almost never been wrong.
00:40:33
Yeah, it's funny. I have.
00:40:35
I wish all Patriots success with Belichick cuts them.
00:40:38
I wish them no success when they leave on their own.
00:40:43
Hi, dude.
00:40:44
Hightower would hit me harder than Brady.
00:40:46
I'll be honest with.
00:40:47
Yeah, I would hit me harder than Brady.
00:40:49
I love high top.
00:40:50
I love I'm a defense guy.
00:40:52
Yeah, that's why, for the sake of this show and for our fan base and entertainment process, I'll talk more about offense because I know that's what people care about.
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But I could sit down and talk about defense all day.
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Right? I tell her, is my guide.
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That one's gonna hurt me more than Brady.
00:41:08
I'll be honest with you.
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Maybe you'll stay, though you know what we'll see.
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Honestly, that might be one of the guys, though, that Belichick tells he needs to take a pay cut to because he does that all the time, too, is he pulls people aside and tells them that they're gonna play for less money.
00:41:22
I love that you're being super optimistic with you.
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Don't you? Don't think Belichick will approach you and be like, Look, man, if you want to stay, we're gonna have to pay you less.
00:41:32
I think the arena, I think they'll give an extension If he comes back.
00:41:35
I think they'll give him like, a three year extension and spread that money out a little bit.
00:41:39
He'll probably like a back end.
00:41:40
Big deal where he'll, like retired, be cut before it even gets there. Thio.
00:41:44
That's what I could see happening that I don't see him saying like take a pay cut.
00:41:48
I could see him saying Let's extend it, let's put some more money and signing bonus Let's just spread some money out because that's that's true to a lot of the money is like funny money.
00:41:55
I feel like they're always moving it around and some of its like considered a signing bonus and there's there's always ways to mess with it.
00:42:02
Look what the Kansas City Chiefs had, like, $13 and it's somehow gave Patrick Mahomes this massive extension resigned.
00:42:08
Chris Jones.
00:42:09
You know, like, um, give somebody else a massive.
00:42:13
Who else to give him a contract extension to Travis Kelsey.
00:42:16
Travis Kelsey Got a big contract? Yep.
00:42:19
Travis, Kelsey got paid big time yet, so you had no money yet? You managed to get about three big extensions, you know, with big money.
00:42:27
And it's there's ways to manipulate the cap.
00:42:29
And Bill Belichick is a master manipulating the cap.
00:42:31
He knows how to move money around.
00:42:33
And because don't forget, man, if the what? From what I saw yesterday, we gotta pay Cam Newton next year.
00:42:39
So they're gonna find him.
00:42:41
Yeah.
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They're gonna pay a quarterback as might as well be.
00:42:43
Can't do it if he's gonna play this.
00:42:45
Well, can I throw a worst case scenario? You and you tell me how you feel. Yeah.
00:42:50
So I'm a big you know, me.
00:42:52
I'm on in Bill.
00:42:53
We trust urine and Bill, you trust guy, right? Where I think that it's fair to say where Bill Belichick guys, um, if they made us pick a side braid your Belichick.
00:43:02
We both probably step towards Belichick.
00:43:03
Am I correct? I don't I never wanna pick.
00:43:06
But if they may choose, but But Brady already left.
00:43:09
So here we are.
00:43:10
Yeah, but they made us choose.
00:43:12
We in Bill, we trust, right? What if Cam Newton continues what we saw? It only gets better.
00:43:19
And Belichick doesn't wanna pay when we go with your instead of next season.
00:43:22
Would you, for the first time ever questioned the Hoody? I would feel like there was some reason why.
00:43:29
I don't know.
00:43:30
I would think that there was some under the underlying reason why Belichick decided not to go with them and not give them an extension.
00:43:36
I don't know.
00:43:37
I don't I wouldn't really question it that much.
00:43:40
Now.
00:43:41
I wonder now that you've read bits and piece of the dynasty.
00:43:43
I wonder if they do resign Cam Newton.
00:43:44
If Belichick does that contractor of craft does that contract.
00:43:49
Because if you haven't read the book guys, you may not know this.
00:43:53
Robert Kraft handles quarterback contracts, not Belichick.
00:43:56
People talk about Brady and Belichick.
00:43:57
Contract negotiations.
00:43:58
There never was one.
00:44:00
Robert Kraft covered Bledsoe in his Big 10 year extension.
00:44:03
He's covered all the Bradys extensions.
00:44:05
When he had to separate from him and Brady when they had some contention back in 2012 Jonathan Kraft had to step in and get try to get a deal done.
00:44:17
Um, so it's I wonder when Cam Newton's contract is up.
00:44:21
If if Robert Kraft is taking the same investment that that he did in Brady and Bledsoe, where he'll have Belichick do it or does, does he want to negotiate that contract as well? That's actually a good question because, like you said, going all the way back to blood, so you don't think Belichick even talked to him? What was it, even Belichick at the time? I think it was watching those parcels, but Craft just went right.
00:44:44
Thio Blood zone.
00:44:45
It said that they hashed it out in a couple of one on one conversations.
00:44:49
Do you know what the crazy actually sorry it was parcels the first time.
00:44:54
And then the big one came in in Belichick's first year in 2000 because in 2000 and one, when he was on his first year of his 10 year extension, um, the craziest part I found about that whole dynasty was back in 2000, and this was something I didn't know.
00:45:08
That blew my mind.
00:45:10
But the fact that Belichick wanted to start Brady Game one no eso the second Glatze went out with an injury.
00:45:21
It was already Brady's job. Toe lose.
00:45:24
That's insane to me, right? And then, yeah, it was funny because I just read that the other night that blood so went to go talk to craft.
00:45:33
To see a craft would override Belichick's decision to keep Brady playing after he came back and was healthy in November.
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And he tried.
00:45:42
And it's funny.
00:45:43
That's the one thing that craft does metal more than we thought, and he'll stand up for He gets very close to his quarterbacks.
00:45:51
He got very close to Drew and very close to Brady, and, you know, and I think that that's where I think reading the dynasty has upset me a little bit more about Tom Brady.
00:46:02
Like how he had no problem pushing Bledsoe out the door.
00:46:09
But when Jimmy Garoppolo came suddenly Belichick's Amine Amini.
00:46:13
You know, um, he loves Dion Branch and you know rookie Dion Branch and you know.
00:46:19
He talked about his love and admiration for Bledsoe and how Bledsoe took him under his wing.
00:46:24
And, you know, last season, Brady sitting there going, Well, it's not my job to coach rookies.
00:46:29
Uh, it's phenomenal how, when it was beneficial for him, it was, you know, it was fine, but when it was beneficial for you know, everybody else, it wasn't.
00:46:38
There's a lot of irony in this book, man.
00:46:40
Just from like the Bill Parcells to the Bill Belichick situations from Brady, Jimmy G.
00:46:46
Like blood.
00:46:47
So it's very ironic.
00:46:48
It's like multiple things have come full circle just reading that it is.
00:46:51
And the more I dig into it, the more I'm just like I sit back and go like, Oh, okay, And I've been upset of Belichick.
00:47:00
I've been upset of Brady.
00:47:01
I've been upset of craft, had been upset of parcels.
00:47:04
I got upset of blood.
00:47:05
So like you get and you know what I mean big handed.
00:47:08
Drew Bledsoe.
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Um, he could have made things really held that season and no one for Brady and he decided not to, you know, decided to take the high road and and keep mentoring the kids.
00:47:20
So see that Drew Bledsoe knew that his career in New England was over and kept mentoring Tom Brady to basically here, kid.
00:47:30
Take my job, right? Tom Brady couldn't coach up receivers last season toe to help benefit the team a little bit more.
00:47:39
Understand that. It's just the irony.
00:47:41
Doesn't get lost on me, right? And there's a lot of it in that book.
00:47:45
Tons of tons of stuff. Yeah.
00:47:49
Anything else you wanna talk about, or should we start wrapping things up? What do you think? You have any big prediction? Just wait till Thursday for him.
00:47:55
I think we'll get into the predictions on Thursday.
00:47:58
Um, like I said, I just I like the matchup against Seattle.
00:48:00
We could break it a little bit down on Thursday, a little more.
00:48:03
Maybe you want to do your research, I'll do a little bit more mind.
00:48:05
We can come into the really good educated thing for the people.
00:48:09
Nice.
00:48:10
You know, we'll follow this receiver thing, see if the Patriots do you make a move.
00:48:14
It will be, You know, maybe something can happen between now and Thursday.
00:48:18
It'll be fun and interesting. The watchman.
00:48:20
Hopefully, that's really will be.
00:48:21
Hopefully, that is what we're talking about on Thursday.
00:48:25
But if not, we'll break down all the week.
00:48:26
One games give you our predictions.
00:48:29
Um, on our show, you're going to get this straight pickups, and we'll also give you are spread picks is well, we'll talk about any crucial Patriots news.
00:48:38
Hopefully, it's either really good news or no news at all.
00:48:41
One of the other.
00:48:42
Yeah, yeah, nothing else.
00:48:43
Uh, man, don't forget to check out Connor tomorrow at 5 p.
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00:50:02
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Odell Beckham to the Patriots makes too much sense

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Ray Rauth @DPN_Ray

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and we're back.
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What's going on? Everybody Railroad here.
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That man is Carter Carter, Carter Carney from Carter. Commentary.
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Of course.
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I'm from ESPN Sports stock.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is DPM Commentary coming at you every Tuesday and Thursday.
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Live on SportsCastr And now also on the railroad Channel on YouTube.
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Really excited Corner.
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How you doing, buddy? Good.
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How you doing? Good.
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Let's jump right into it.
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All right, because we got it.
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I mean, we had a whole show plan, and now the whole show is done, right? That's the way life goes sometimes, though.
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So a few hours ago, news came out that the New England Patriots are shopping a Mr Odell Beckham Jr.
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And I gotta tell you, man, when I think about it, it just seems like a match made in heaven.
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And Odell to the Patriots just makes too much sense.
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It doesn't just make sense.
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It makes too much sense.
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What are your thoughts on it? Do you want to see a guy like Odell on the Patriots? Do you think a deal could get done? I've heard the Browns want a lot.
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What do you think the Patriots would get him for And could you just imagine watching Cam Newton toss and touchdown passes toe Odell Beckham Jr.
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And what would Tom Brady think? Man, I would absolutely love it if we brought him in.
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I still think he's a stud.
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I just don't think he likes it there in Cleveland.
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He hasn't had very good quarterback play.
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He's had Eli Manning.
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Last year, he had Daniel Jones.
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Oh, no. Last year he had Baker Mayfield.
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So in this serious baker, Mayfield again, Baker doesn't look like he's going to be all that great so far.
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Um, I think he wants to come and play with Cam Do and they were practicing together in the offseason, and I'd love to see him play together.
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I think the issue is that Cleveland Browns are gonna want a lot for him, and Belichick obviously is notorious for being very stingy when it comes to giving up draft picks or anything like that.
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So I think they're gonna have to let him go for a little bit lower than they probably would want Thio.
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If not, I don't know what they're going to do with them, I would argue, though I mean, if you're willing to give up a second round draft pick from Mohammed Sunu.
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You've got to be willing to give up a least a first for Odell Beckham.
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Look, there's three reasons Odell Beckham makes so much sense to me.
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Number one Back in 2018 the Patriots were aggressively pursuing a trade with the Giants to trade for Odell Beckham Jr.
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If you believe the reports and the rumors that came out, a trade was in place and it was going to happen.
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And then the Giants kind of had second thoughts.
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And the story goes that they sat back and said, Well, if the Patriots want this guy so bad, why are we getting rid of them? Because normally, when the Patriots want somebody, they're going to perform.
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And that's and then they had another convention this season, and he goes to Cleveland the next year.
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So that's reason number one.
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Reason Number two.
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Yes, he's wanted to play with Tom Brady, and he gave him those goat cleats and all that kind of thing.
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But he's also got a lot of really positive things to say about Bill Belichick.
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He's called Bill Belichick, the best coach in the League, said he'd want to goto Foxboro and play for Bill Belichick.
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Sit down, talk football with Belichick.
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I think he has a pretty good idea of what that locker room is like and what the expectations are in New England.
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Um, and he seems to be okay with it, and I think I mean, he said in his press conference Sunday.
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He just wants toe win.
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It's all he wants to do and coming to an organization like New England.
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He's obviously coming to a proven winner.
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Number three.
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He has a relationship with Cam Newton already two of them.
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Like you said, we're working out this summer.
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It all makes told.
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And this was before Newton signed with the Patriots.
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This was just, you know, Odell going out with his brawl, getting some stuff done.
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It makes complete and total sense for me, Odell Beckham to New England.
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But it's gonna be a lot I'm hearing just by people.
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I'm talking Thio, who kind of know who are in the know, not people within the organization.
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Just, you know, reporters and stuff that I'm friendly with, Uh, from what I'm hearing is Cleveland's asking steep they're talking like a first round in a mid round pick for Odell.
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Now I have zero issues with the Patriots giving up a first round pick.
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Bill Belichick doesn't draft great in the first round.
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Anyways.
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I know he usually flips that from or picks.
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But if you're getting a proven talent like back in junior, I'm fine with it.
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But given up a first and a mid round, that's a steep price.
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I mean, how old is Odell? I think he's only 29 28 29 he still has three years left on his contract.
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It's a big contract, though, is it not? It is, Yeah, but I think I read today that it's not all guaranteed.
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So they if they wanted to, they could cut them and not really pay a lot of money if they had Thio.
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Okay, he's actually 27.
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He'll be 27 member.
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He's even younger.
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I just want to take a look at what his contract looks.
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Yeah, he's still young, especially for you. For a receiver.
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He's still young.
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I wonder, too.
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If they would do like a Randy Moss, where it's like, Hey, we're gonna trade you, But you gotta play for less and we're gonna trade for you.
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But here's what we're gonna pay you and this is what You know what I mean? We got that's what That's what Bala ejected the mosque.
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He called Moss and said, Hey, there is a deal in place, you know, it's ready to pull the trigger.
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But here's what I'm willing to pay you on.
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You gotta be able to And Moss wanted to win, so he took that cut.
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Odell is oh, this season, $14,000 and then 15 for the next three years.
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But the dead cap is done after this year.
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So if they wanted to cut him next year, they could do that with having no money left on the books.
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They could get rid of them and do that, but I so I wouldn't be surprised if you saw them restructure a contract to maybe bring that down a little bit.
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Now that being said is exciting as it would be toe like I just I get I'm not getting my hopes up on this. Don't get me wrong.
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I mean, I think I threw it on Twitter.
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I can't wait till I see it.
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I want BB to make it happen, that kind of thing.
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But you can't get your hopes up too high.
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But, um what I'm thinking about what they could do with Odell and Julian Edelman.
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How that would open up Nikkila.
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Harry, Harry.
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Of all three of them. Yeah.
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I mean, look, Bill Belichick is not afraid to take a risk on these kind of sort of pre Madonna wide receivers, right? We saw it with Randy Moss.
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We saw it with Josh Gordon, who wasn't really prima Donna became with a lot of problems we saw with With With Kenny Britt.
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We saw it with, um uh, Antonio Brown.
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Um, sometimes it works.
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Sometimes it doesn't.
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Obviously, they hit it out of the park with Randy Moss.
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That didn't work with Antonio Brown.
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Not because of a performance standpoint, because you know Antonio Brown's God issues off the field, right? Um, would you be willing if you were, say, Bill Belichick and you're in a situation where you still got a You got a relatively young team in some sense, but old team, in another sense, would you be willing to bring on a high salary contract, possibly a one season rental.
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If you wanted to move on from that contract and would you give up a first in the mid round for Odell, I would definitely give up a first round for him.
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Just because the chances of someone being better than he is being picked in the first round is pretty slim to none.
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He's already a proven talent.
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We already know what we're gonna get.
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We already know Odell's the first round caliber player and, like you said, if things don't work out at the end of the year, we can't cut it.
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But if not, Bellatrix kind of in control there, because if not, he's on the team for the next two years as well.
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And three years and going forward next season.
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They have all the cap space in the world, so I'm sure they can figure out something then.
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Also, Cam Newton's on a one year deal, so it's kind of like this is a year toe win as well.
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Yeah, eso I would know the answer.
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The question I would depends on.
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It depends on what the middle violent looking if they wanna first and a second, that's pretty steep, but like a first and a third.
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Maybe a first in the forth.
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Definitely.
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They have a bill and Bill Belichick.
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Lando like a first in the third or first in the forth.
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That's like three draft picks, right? That is the way he flips around picks, right? Eso it's Look, I'm not saying I wouldn't pull that off, either.
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But trying to put my Bill Belichick thinking cap on, I guess we could say that, Z.
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That's kind of where I look at it now.
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Schematically.
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Okay, I was gonna say schematically, Does Odell fit in with this current Patriots team? But I don't think the Patriots have a scheme yet.
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No, I don't think so.
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So I think that we would just see them building the scheme, you know, sort of around the weapons that they have and trying to put everybody in the in the best position to to play.
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And I mean, look, I was pretty impressed with the Patriots offensive line over the weekend.
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It's ah, a big difference from last season.
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Uh, there's a little bit have to do with them playing Miami.
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There's a little bit have to do that with the run game and how they kind of just, you know, they had to respect the run.
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They had to respect Newton running. They had to respect the past.
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It was that a little bit, maybe, but I thought the offensive line held up really well.
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Good for Jermaine, Alumina or two.
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Primarily a guard to step in and play that right tackle position.
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Um, I would feel confident with Cam Newton standing in the pocket, tossing the ball down the field to to Odell.
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And let's not forget, I mean, back in 2015 when he had Steve Smith and was the M V P and went to a Super Bowl.
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When Odell has receivers, Hey could hit them.
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You know, like you look at Nick Ill.
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Harry.
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I mean to kill Harry had probably the best game is a professional football player.
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Hey did until he fumbled the ball in the goal line, which would have, you know, led to another touchdown.
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I know that because he was actually having a great game up until that point.
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He is.
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And can we all chill out on the nikkila? Harry hate just to digress for a little bit like I've seen some of the just the **** being said about right.
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People hate him already.
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It z half of a season.
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He's half of the season in.
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So he was out the first eight weeks last year.
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And now we're one game into this week.
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Yeah, this season.
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I mean, he just played his eighth game and somebody was showing the numbers on, uh, somebody was just trying to, like, calm the waters and was like, Hey, you know Gronkowski in his first eight games, fumbled the ball in the goal line last season.
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You know? All right, it's for as a rookie, I mean, and then someone like, Yeah, but he was way more productive in his first eight games in the keel hair he was.
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And then they looked at the numbers and the kill.
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Harry has more catches than in his first in his in their first eight games combined, but two different positions, two different things Gronkowski obviously turned into, you know? Uh, probably the best never played the game.
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Not this season.
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He looks like an old beat up, irrelevant tight end, But he did not.
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He did not look young.
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Uh, no.
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Prior to his first retirement.
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Let me ask you, and we'll get back on to the receiver conversation here in a second.
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But let me ask you something, man.
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Were you Are you a little bit happy that the Patriots or want to know? And Tom Brady is all in one? Um, not necessarily happy.
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I'm happy.
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The Patriots or want to know I'm not too concerned with what happens with the bucks.
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I didn't really care if they won or lost that much.
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Um, I don't know, though.
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I thought they were gonna The offense is gonna be really good on the Buccaneers.
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I was kind of excited to see what they look like, and they did not look like what I expected.
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I thought that game was gonna be like a really close shoot out, like, right to the end That that would be a really good game.
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And it was kind of a gut.
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It was, like, over in the staff.
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Yeah, It's almost like a noodle arm.
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Peyton Manning, man, he was a noodle arm at the end.
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I know we're upset.
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I'm upset in a lot of people by saying that so but I don't want to see Brady go out like paying.
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Manning went out.
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Although Peyton Manning went out winning the Super Bowl.
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I saw you like I'm, uh I appreciate everything that Tom Brady did for this organization.
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I was 14 years old when he entered the league.
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My daughter is 14 years old.
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You know eso That's how long I've been a Tom Brady fan.
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Um, I appreciate everything that that guy did for this organization and whatnot, but I cheer for the team, not the player.
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You know, I'm not wishing bad things on him, but I don't want to see him win a Super Bowl.
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I don't want a guy to walk away.
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And do you? Have you started reading the dynasty yet? Yes, I have.
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I've read quite a bit of it.
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It starts to open a good book, man.
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It's really, really good.
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Anyone who's watching should look into it.
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If they're Patriots a football fan, Jeff Benedict has done a really good job job.
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I am.
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I am gonna point out, though, that one thing that really occurred to me today is dream.
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You know, it's funny how Robert Kraft ferociously protected Tom Brady like during Deflate Gate and all this kind of stuff, but he's never publicly stood up for Bill Belichick through other things.
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You know what I mean? It just, um, crafts involvement in the organization to the success and then some of the the contributions.
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He's had two failures, and the organization has been very, very interesting to read.
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I've been right now I'm just They just won Super Bowl 49.
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That's where I am in the book.
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I'm in the snowball.
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You're in the snowball.
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Yeah, it's just it's It's when you start getting in the mindset of Robert Kraft and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and they start dissecting that kind of stuff's very, very interesting dynamic of how things went down in in in New England.
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And I think I'm starting to get into the controversy a little bit.
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But it's funny because they keep talking in the book about how you know Brady was getting sick of being berated by Belichick and team meetings, and he was just looking for affection.
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And it's not so.
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It did make me smile a little bit when Bruce Arians is out just publicly bashing Tom Brady right on, you know, e it was and I wrote yesterday because areas was like, he needs to compete more, and he needs to be more dedicated and great things out of blah, blah.
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And I was, like, translated to Belichick, We need to work better, Coach.
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Better play that.
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You know, eso Maybe you got your, You know, maybe you got shoot out a little bit Johnny Foxboro in the meeting room, But I don't ever recall Bill Belichick calling him out to the media.
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No, never. Never.
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So it's never called anyone else to the media? No, but never heard that reliving the whole deflate gate scandal.
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Yeah, Andi, they did like a word for word on Bill Belichick.
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Statement of the flight gate.
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Um, I didn't realize at the time.
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Maybe I forgot, but re listening to it, like in really getting the He really kind of did hang Brady out to dry in that situation, he basically said I've never asked anybody to do anything.
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And, uh, if you want to know about, you know, preferences for the football, you gotta ask Tom.
00:15:02
Oh, really? I don't even remember that.
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I didn't really remember it. Neither.
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And I just remember thinking the whole deflate Gate was crazy and reliving, like reading this book.
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I'm kind of living in my mind and they're talking about like how Rosie O Donnell was on the view.
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Say another Patriot should be, you know, not allowed to go to the Super Bowl, you know? But it was like it was just like all these.
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It became like a topical conversation and all these sort of different platforms and different things.
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And but, yeah, Belichick And and Brady's first press conference that he did about the Flake eight was because of Belichick's conference.
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And Brady's assistant messaged him and said Belichick just hung us out to dry.
00:15:47
Yeah, so, uh, the PR person of the Patriot don't even want Brady to do the press conference.
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Yeah, I feel like he had no choice At that point, though, the media was just gonna wait.
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They're gonna pounds as soon as he had to take the stand.
00:16:02
Let me ask you some.
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Do you believe that he knew about the footballs? Kind of. Yeah.
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I think they were doing something.
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I think he was trying toe trying to make him like, whatever.
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Firmness he wanted to get it.
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Thio.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I 100% believe he doctored football's.
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Yeah, I just You know, um, I remember Troy Aikman talking about him saying that, you know, Brady definitely knew hey said that every quarterback did it like some of them would have wanted to be s.
00:16:32
Oh, yeah, Like Aaron Rodgers wants his balls to be like, like, over inflated past the legal limit.
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So that's but I 1000 just like the Patriots knew they were doing wrong in Spy Gate.
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Um, you know, I'm so sick of the ideal gas law and all that kind of stuff.
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You know, the guy brought the balls into the bathroom for a minute and a half, like bringing the balls in the bathroom for a minute.
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Brady smashes his phone and all that kind of stuff.
00:16:57
But, you know, the biggest thing is, is I'm not going to spoil the book for anybody or for you, because you're not even there yet, But, um, through the deflate gate thing, though after you see everything that Robert crafted for Roger Goodell.
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Yeah, you're gonna be like behind the scenes, like, personally dead.
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For Roger Goodell, you're going to be even more ****ed that the four game suspension and everything went down.
00:17:22
Right? Okay, Like basically that whole ray Rice thing.
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Yeah, I guess I'm spoiling it a little bit.
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But that whole Ray Rice situation and the domestic assault, all that kind of stuff.
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There were groups and owner's calling for Roger to step down.
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It was Kraft that this happened in 2014.
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This happened in the same year.
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It was Kraft who lobbied the rest of the owners this stand behind Goodell, regardless of his colossal gaffe of Onley suspending Ray Rice for two games.
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Yeah, and then, you know, and then that new report came out.
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They got that FBI guy, the Robert Mueller or was not Mueller.
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Uh, I forget who the guy was. I know.
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I know him.
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He came out and did.
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The report said that, you know, the NFL had enough knowledge into the Ray Rice case and all this kind of like Goodell got hung out to dry right.
00:18:16
It was craft that protected Goodell.
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It was Kraft who lobbied to get Goodell hired for the Patriots.
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And yet, at the end of the day, when it came to having to help the Patriots, Goodell hung craft and radio to dry.
00:18:30
Yeah, he certainly did.
00:18:32
It's funny, and even Roger Goodell, I read already was like a big part of the Patriots staying in Foxboro instead of moving to Connecticut.
00:18:40
That was insane.
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He that he was doing all these like off the book deals because Kraft couldn't negotiate with with With With With Fox were with Foxboro.
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But he wanted He didn't want him to go toe thio Connecticut, either.
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No, because they would have been too close to New York.
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They would have been close toe the Giants in Pittsburgh and and they thought with the new TV deals, they needed a Boston market, right? That's a big market crazy good book, Crazy good book.
00:19:05
It's so funny because they show you so much behind the scenes stuff, and it's it's just nuts.
00:19:10
Like all that goes into it, it's and it's really funny because I know 95% of what I'm reading.
00:19:17
But they give you these like little tidbits, these little really behind the scenes that you didn't know about, you know, private conversations here.
00:19:24
It's like nothing has has flat out shocked me yet, like I never saw this coming.
00:19:30
But it was kind of like, you know, craft, How smart of a businessman he was, like buying the parking lot.
00:19:35
And then that was insane.
00:19:36
Yeah, basically forced the sale.
00:19:40
The Patriots to him, you know, 23 sales.
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And they finally went, **** it, we got to give it toe craft.
00:19:46
You know, um, just so many.
00:19:50
Just just so many little intricate details.
00:19:53
I didn't know that was like, That's what I'm finding.
00:19:57
Really cool.
00:19:58
And I hate Bill Parcells.
00:19:59
Now, by the way, I don't know about you, but after book, I mean, no, no, no women on the flight.
00:20:04
He was a different word that started with the B.
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But, you know, no bees on the flight and this and that.
00:20:08
It's like such a like old school.
00:20:11
Misogynistic, just, I guess.
00:20:13
Yeah, he their book makes him makes him seem like he's a real a hole.
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Just all the stuff, how the whole thing.
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And with him in New England, everything.
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And then he crinkles up the facts.
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What the Patriots wanted to tell Belichick and those in the trash.
00:20:29
It's the whole beef between him and Belichick that he was so upset with Belichick about is exactly what he did to New England.
00:20:38
It was the exact same thing that he did to New England.
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It's just, I don't know.
00:20:43
It's funny to me, All right, let's get back on track here.
00:20:46
I think we could talk about the dynasty all night, but let's let's get back on track.
00:20:51
So if for some reason Belichick doesn't wanna make this big move for Odell Beckham Jr.
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There's now rumors floating around that Alan Robinson.
00:20:58
The Chicago Bears is disgruntled and wants out of Chicago over his contract.
00:21:03
Now reports came out.
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I think about two hours ago that he has demanded a trade.
00:21:07
His agent is now denying that they have not demanded trade from the Chicago Bears.
00:21:13
But I think you could get him a little bit cheaper from a draft pick standpoint.
00:21:19
Definitely.
00:21:20
And but people are gonna wanna look at his, um, they're gonna wanna look at his contract and because that's what I heard.
00:21:28
A lot on Twitter today is well, his contract is so much better than than Odell's and that's what we want him.
00:21:33
But I think he he wants a new contract right, which is why he wants to be traded.
00:21:37
Yes, people need to understand.
00:21:38
If the Patriots make a trade for Alan Robinson, that's going to come with a big time contract attached to it.
00:21:46
Um, and he's making.
00:21:48
He made $16 million last season.
00:21:50
He's making $15 million this season.
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He's in a restricted free agent next season.
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He wants.
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He wants more money.
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You know him.
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He doesn't feel like he's getting market value by by getting that $15 million.
00:22:05
So, um, it's not gonna be cheap, right? So I think people need Thio.
00:22:12
Understand that it's not gonna be cheap to bring in Allen Robinson.
00:22:15
I'd rather odell on for 15 million with no dead cap attach and give up a high draft pick than one 100%.
00:22:21
Yeah, I would agree completely, I think Odell, if you I mean right now he hasn't looked great.
00:22:27
I think, given the right cir***stances, he's he's a better player.
00:22:30
I'm gonna be honest with you, too, though, like what I saw in the Cleveland game on on Sunday because I watched that King because one of you know, one of my partners on SportsCastr news is, um, the Ravens fan.
00:22:43
So we're gonna break down that game.
00:22:45
I can't believe Modell for what happened.
00:22:47
They just They just got smoked, right? They did. Yeah.
00:22:51
And look.
00:22:52
And the other thing, too is is Odell is the better receiver.
00:22:57
Um, Odell, I know, and I don't know why.
00:23:00
People don't think he isn't, but Odell is the better receiver since two.
00:23:04
They both came in in 2014.
00:23:07
Okay, Okay.
00:23:08
Six seasons yet or they're in the sixth.
00:23:10
Yeah.
00:23:11
Allan Robinson has 4800 total yards.
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Odell is 6500.
00:23:15
You know, Odell has 48 touchdowns, Robinson has 33 so I just don't get it.
00:23:25
And they both kind of had a couple of seasons where they missed time.
00:23:29
So people can't turn around and say that Odell had a four game in a one game season.
00:23:33
Uh, Robinson had a couple of one game seasons.
00:23:36
Besides that, they've all the Odell has played 76 games.
00:23:41
Alan Robinson's played 73 right? So they're pretty dead.
00:23:45
Even in that sense, they're pretty dead even.
00:23:47
And they both played with bad quarterbacks like you can't turn around and say, Oh, he said Mitchell, Robiskie and I guess Blake Bortles and you know, when he played in Jacksonville and that kind of thing.
00:23:58
No, The end of the day it's Odell is is the better receiver.
00:24:02
Um, he's, uh, like people are like, Well, Alan Robinson had 1100 yards last year.
00:24:07
I'm like, Yeah, it's only the second time in his career had 1000 yards and Odell had 10 35.
00:24:11
And guess what? The year before that with the Giants at 10 52 and he had 1300 yards of 1400 yards and 1300 yards every season, the guy has played 16 games.
00:24:20
He's had over 1000 yards and receiving.
00:24:24
Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.
00:24:26
I think Alan Robinson is good.
00:24:28
I wouldn't be upset if they went and got him.
00:24:30
But if given the option between the two, I think Odell is hands down, the better option E to.
00:24:35
I think that if Belichick had to make a move, your they're gonna invest financially, you're going to invest in PICS, right? Um, what's the most right now? Are the Patriots in a rebuild? They're going into a rebuild.
00:24:45
Um, bringing in Odell.
00:24:47
I guess we're bringing it.
00:24:48
Robinson, too, But I think legitimize his team.
00:24:50
Even Mawr? Absolutely.
00:24:52
You know, because I don't think we're having this conversation three months ago.
00:24:55
I think you and I are sitting there going Why? You're trading throttle back in junior.
00:24:58
Jared Stidham can throw toe.
00:24:59
You know it Z changed.
00:25:03
Yeah, it's changed a lot.
00:25:04
I no longer look at this is like a rebuild season where hopefully they could go, you know, 10 and 69 and seven in, you know, make it to the wild powered round.
00:25:13
This is back.
00:25:14
This is Patriots football as usual.
00:25:15
That's what I'm hoping for.
00:25:16
And I want to see them go get somebody if they can.
00:25:19
They are.
00:25:20
And they have this killer defense who's gonna Who's gonna be elite this year.
00:25:25
I agree.
00:25:26
The secondary looks phenomenal.
00:25:28
And we didn't even get to watch Joshua J play, you know? And then you got this other kid.
00:25:33
Um, she was good, though. Well, yeah.
00:25:37
I mean, I love seeing him on every play.
00:25:39
You can see his versatility.
00:25:41
What about this Adrian Phillips and he can play linebacker.
00:25:46
I mean, you wanna talk about versatility? That is a Bill Belichick guy.
00:25:49
Certainly, And that was in that thing.
00:25:52
You send me the quote just from Gerard Mayo.
00:25:54
I love it that I I was forgetting that Gerard Mayo is a big part of the defensive play calling now until I started reading that.
00:26:00
And then that reminded May.
00:26:01
And, uh, he's got such the Patriots mentality, too.
00:26:05
He's like, I want defensive ends playing linebackers, safeties playing linebackers, you know, vice versa.
00:26:10
And that's that's what makes the Patriots so dangerous.
00:26:12
Man, Such a guy who grew up in the system Seriously, Yeah, that's that was my thought.
00:26:17
Such a guy that grew up in the Patriot system? No, man, Look, I'm I'm jacked about what this team can look like, and I think bringing in a legitimate receiver, whether it's Odell or Robinson, makes this team that much better.
00:26:29
And again.
00:26:30
I think Bill Belichick is going to, and this is the perfect transition in our next subject is, um, it's Bill Belichick is just gonna adapt the game plan based on who his players are and who is playing now.
00:26:40
There was a little bit of a stir on social media today, not a whole lot, but a little bit of a stir because Bill Belichick did mention Tom Brady by name.
00:26:47
Not sure if you saw this.
00:26:48
He did? Yeah.
00:26:50
Basically explaining.
00:26:51
They asked, you know, how did you adapt to game plan with Cam Newton? And he did what? He kind of explain what we all know, at least on this channel here.
00:26:57
I've been talking about it since 2017.
00:27:00
Bill Belichick builds a game plan.
00:27:02
Whether it's offense, defense, special teams, builds it around the strength of the players that are on the field.
00:27:09
Right? And he basically said, we did that.
00:27:12
We did that for Tom Brady.
00:27:13
We built on offense, you know, for Brady strength.
00:27:15
Now we're building one for Cam Newton strength.
00:27:18
I don't think it was a slight or a knock it.
00:27:22
I think it was a dig at all.
00:27:24
People are taking it as a like well on the coach and see a Brady.
00:27:28
You know, I was the system, and I'm just like, you know, not everything these two are going to say about each other is gonna be some personal bashing of the two right? But there's there's such a divide right now, right? It's such a hostile territory, but they adopt that game plan.
00:27:43
And now Josh McDaniels kind of hinted today that, um, everything we saw against Miami.
00:27:48
We may not see against Seattle, you know? So we're expecting to see the same sort of play.
00:27:53
It's, um, Josh McDaniels says they changed their game plan pending on the team that they're playing. Right.
00:28:00
So we'll see.
00:28:01
They Maybe they're gonna They're gonna have Cam Newton stay in the pocket more because he ran a lot.
00:28:04
They look like they were run first team on Sunday.
00:28:07
And we'll see if that changes for Seattle, and I will.
00:28:12
And you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
00:28:13
I like the matchup against Seattle when I started, you know? And I just started sort of my breakdown on it a little bit.
00:28:21
I'm preparing for my other podcast with Joe tomorrow and then when you and I do our picks on Thursday, um, assuming you're here Thursday.
00:28:31
Yeah, I'll be here.
00:28:33
Um, I like to match up, man.
00:28:35
I mean, look, Russell Wilson had a great game completed 88% of his passes we can't take away from now.
00:28:40
Yeah, He looked good But they weren't playing the secondary of the Patriots, either.
00:28:44
I think that Stephon Gilmore Stephon Gilmore can lock down Tyler Lockett.
00:28:49
I think J.
00:28:50
C.
00:28:51
Jackson can lock down D.
00:28:52
K.
00:28:53
Metcalf, and after that, things get a little bit thinner.
00:28:55
And here's the Patriots team who can rush the ball pretty well.
00:28:59
And it's, um, the Seattle, In my opinion, that defense look susceptible to the rush.
00:29:10
Um, you know, they were averaging 40 yards per run.
00:29:13
Atlanta was, and they didn't run the ball a whole lot.
00:29:15
And I'm out.
00:29:16
Ryan had actually crazy, like 500 something yards and passing or 400 something yards and passing like he had stupid crazy starts as well.
00:29:25
Yeah, he kind of looked him up.
00:29:27
He did just not on the scoreboard, right? And I watched it, and it's funny because I was really not just because the Patriots were playing them.
00:29:36
I was really just curious to see.
00:29:40
I was really curious to see this, to see the game because when you see a guy got 88% completion, you just think and I watched it today, um, I watched the condensed version, so it took 45 minutes.
00:29:52
So I watched the game and I kind of sat there and went.
00:29:57
He didn't look as impressive as I thought he was gonna look, you know? And he got, you know, the first touchdown for Seattle.
00:30:05
They got the benefit of a pretty bogus pass interference call.
00:30:08
It wasn't really a penalty in my mind when I saw it.
00:30:11
I watched it a couple of times.
00:30:12
Um, I kind of like the matchup against Seattle.
00:30:16
I'm not gonna Let's put it this way.
00:30:18
I might not come out and say I take it's a pickup game for me and I take him straight up.
00:30:23
But if you're a betting person, man, I'm not laying four points.
00:30:27
Seattle's a four point favorite.
00:30:29
I'm not laying four points.
00:30:30
I'd be taking the Patriots on the spread because it's gonna be a three point game, and any time it's a three point game, it can go in either direction.
00:30:37
Yeah, I agree.
00:30:38
So maybe it was a straight pick up.
00:30:40
I might be leaning Seattle, but if I'm looking appoints, But I'm taking the Patriots, which tells me this is a tossup game, right? And you know what I think the Patriots are gonna benefit big time from the fact that there's not gonna be a crowd.
00:30:51
Wait, is there? Is there a crowd in Seattle? No, right.
00:30:54
Not all season. Not all season.
00:30:56
Okay, so the 12th man will not be a factor.
00:30:59
12 man, no more.
00:31:01
That's gonna be tough for them.
00:31:02
Especially at night.
00:31:03
I feel like always at night the teams go even crazier than prime time.
00:31:07
The crowd, I mean, yeah, it is.
00:31:10
So it's it's going to be an interesting game.
00:31:14
I don't think it's gonna be this blowout that people think.
00:31:17
I mean, look, if anybody wants to entertainment, I suggest that you watch my my thing with Joe tomorrow on his channel.
00:31:22
Knuble Podcasting like that because I know that him and his little sidekick there who I can't stand is gonna pick.
00:31:29
Uh, you know, Seattle, and tell me all these reasons why the Patriots sock and all that? Yeah, They only played Miami and all those other ridiculous crap and I mean, I've got the starts to back it up now.
00:31:39
They can only play who's on the schedule? Well, they can.
00:31:42
But on top of that, though, it's I I've now got some stuff to back it up.
00:31:45
And that's what I want to think and I Look, dude, I think that we got people gotta start showing some respect for J. C.
00:31:52
Jackson.
00:31:53
I agree.
00:31:54
Let me re carry these starts to you because these air these air insane okay in 2019 and these thoughts recording Espy Nation.
00:32:05
Okay, He played 69% of the Patriots snaps.
00:32:08
He was targeted 57 times.
00:32:10
He gave up 22 catches.
00:32:11
That's 38% of his catches for 208 yards.
00:32:14
Dude, the whole the whole time.
00:32:16
The whole season.
00:32:17
Zero touchdowns, five Interstate conception, six pass breakups.
00:32:21
That's absurd.
00:32:22
Okay, According to Pff, in 2018 the quarterback pass rating against J.
00:32:28
C. Jackson passer rating against J.
00:32:30
C. Jackson was 42.
00:32:32
That's first in the league.
00:32:33
Okay, in 2019 he improved quarterback passer ratings 28.
00:32:38
6, Number one in the NFL.
00:32:41
So it's two different sources.
00:32:43
Now You want another stat? NFL Next.
00:32:45
Gen stats raided the top five cornerbacks last season.
00:32:50
Stephon Gilmore number one J.
00:32:52
C. Jackson number two.
00:32:54
Yeah. Wow.
00:32:56
I feel like he gets overshadowed because of how good step on Gilmore is.
00:33:00
But then we forget that JC Jackson's is studying himself.
00:33:04
I think it is well and it's kind of ties in beautifully.
00:33:07
I don't know if you heard these.
00:33:08
These stories were coming down now, but apparently Belichick was shopping.
00:33:11
Stephon Gilmore.
00:33:13
I heard that, Yeah, I heard that.
00:33:14
I didn't know if that was true or if that was mostly a rumor, I don't know, but then they gave a $5 million raise, but I think a lot of it had.
00:33:23
But I think a lot of it had to do a salary cap, to be honest, because at the time when the conversation started round draft time, I remember the Patriots didn't have enough money to sign their draft picks.
00:33:33
They were trying to make moves to sign their draft picks.
00:33:36
And from what I've read and from what I understand and from a couple people who clarified some stuff from me for me from what I understand is is they approached Gilmore about reading to go like restructuring his contract needs had absolutely F and not um and they realize like we need the money and he had a big chunk of money on him and they were shopping him.
00:33:56
And then Hightower opted out.
00:33:58
Chung opted out, you know, And then all of sudden, all this money.
00:34:01
Marcus Cannon opted out and also has money opened up and they were ableto give me a raise because I was gonna talk to you about the whole Jalen Ramsey contract and said, What does that mean for Stefan Gilmore, who is a free agent after the 2021 season? Right? I e.
00:34:14
Feel like he got overpaid me personally. Jalen Ramsey.
00:34:17
I think he's really he's really good.
00:34:19
But honestly, I think he would be the number three cornerback on the Patriots.
00:34:24
Well, the Rams overpaid everybody.
00:34:27
That is true.
00:34:28
That's that's what they dio.
00:34:30
But the issue is, is he now set the market.
00:34:32
So whether he's overpaid or not, when Gilmour becomes a free agent, the mark that's the market.
00:34:37
There's the line, Um, who is better Stefan Gilmore or Stephon Gilmore or J.
00:34:43
Lee Ramsey? And it's Stephon Gilmore believes he's the best cornerback he's gonna want more than Jalen Ramsey money.
00:34:48
You know that Bill Belichick is not gonna be giving him more than what Jalen Ramsey is making.
00:34:52
I think that's why he bumped into five million for this season, right? Well, Bill Belichick has a great track record when it comes to cornerbacks.
00:34:59
I mean, we've had stud cornerbacks for 20 years from Ty Law.
00:35:02
He got Darrelle Revis.
00:35:04
We had Malcolm Butler, who stinks now but was great for a few years there.
00:35:08
And then step on Gilmore.
00:35:09
You replace them with.
00:35:10
I feel like if step on Gilmore leaves will still have J.
00:35:13
C.
00:35:14
Jackson who replaced him with somebody else.
00:35:15
Well, here's the thing.
00:35:18
If that trade would have went through if they would have traded Stephon Gilmore, Jason Jackson could have easily been the number one on this team.
00:35:26
Now it's better to have them both.
00:35:29
Let's not agree.
00:35:30
Agree? Absolutely, Absolutely.
00:35:32
It's better toe.
00:35:33
Have them both, but they could have very easily had Stephon Gilmore step in to that number one position because I was sitting there on the weekend and I didn't even like dawn on me.
00:35:44
I was like, Did Jason McCourty play? I didn't notice if he played either.
00:35:50
Did he play? I don't know.
00:35:52
Let's look up.
00:35:53
I'll look up the stats now, but I was sitting there and all of a sudden I was like, today I was thinking about when I was preparing for the show very rapidly because we had to change.
00:36:01
We had We had a whole plan for today.
00:36:03
I mean, I was sending you stuff.
00:36:04
We had a whole plan, and then all this freaking news came out and changed our whole day.
00:36:07
Right now, a lot of news did come out today, so that will be J thing.
00:36:10
I saw the Allen Robinson thing.
00:36:12
Yeah, but so I'm sitting there like, normally, he's involved in some way, you know what I mean.
00:36:20
And I know what you played.
00:36:21
He wasn't an active, but I'm just trying to pull up the full stats here.
00:36:25
But I was I was a little I was a little shocked.
00:36:30
You know what I mean? That he wasn't like, I don't know, front and center.
00:36:34
I don't know why, right.
00:36:36
Well, you think about it.
00:36:37
I mean, it's gonna be stepped on Gilmore and J C.
00:36:40
Jackson by default all season long, I guess, right? I don't know.
00:36:46
Just Okay, so here we go.
00:36:47
I'm bringing up the defense right now.
00:36:52
He had a tackle.
00:36:53
Hey, he had one tackle, so he played.
00:36:56
I apologize, Jace.
00:36:58
That's not a knock on on you.
00:37:00
I just I don't remember you being on the field.
00:37:03
Me neither.
00:37:05
I remember John Williams being on the field. I remember.
00:37:08
Obviously remember J c and stuff and being on the earth stuff on being on the field.
00:37:12
Devon, remember Devin helping out, right? Well, that's the thing to when I seem according I feel like I always, always assume it's Devon.
00:37:19
So maybe you did see Jason, right? I know that.
00:37:23
I was like, I was super impressed with Phillips.
00:37:26
I know.
00:37:27
Leading tackler on the team.
00:37:29
Uh, he had a pick right to you.
00:37:32
Did have a pick. Yeah, they had three interceptions.
00:37:34
Write stuff on Gilmore.
00:37:36
Remember that one? Yeah.
00:37:37
I remember still stuffing Phillips and then J C Jackson up to do it at the end.
00:37:42
And Juwan Williams had a pretty good game, the whole defense.
00:37:47
I thought it would look great.
00:37:49
And, dude, I mean, you and I talked to nauseum about the middle linebacking position, and we were worried, and it looked I mean, held them the under four rushing yards.
00:37:58
Joanne Bentley in on hits.
00:38:00
I mean, you had Phillips playing some linebacker.
00:38:02
You had guys shifting in and out.
00:38:04
You were missing Josh UCI, who was supposed to be that versatile piece for you.
00:38:09
And, you know, you end up, you know, slide, you know, just other guys doing things.
00:38:15
Um, guys were making plays that are literally and this is my bad that like I forgot we're on the team that like we didn't talk about at all.
00:38:23
You know Anthony Jennings.
00:38:25
When did we ever talk about Anthony Jennings? When did we talk about Eggs? A viewer. Williams.
00:38:29
Brandon Copeland had a pretty solid game, you know, We had a tackle for a loss.
00:38:35
You had three tackles on the day like the whole defense contributed just so beautifully and massively.
00:38:42
And I get they were playing Miami.
00:38:44
Get that.
00:38:46
But I mean, dude, there are only gonna get better.
00:38:50
That's what I liked about it, right? I agree.
00:38:52
I mean, this is the first time they actually got to play football.
00:38:55
That's an actual opponent because obviously no preseason.
00:38:59
So they're only gonna get better. I agree.
00:39:01
The more time they spend with each other the more time they were out there, they're gonna get better as the goes on.
00:39:05
And they have a lot of talent.
00:39:08
So let me ask you this.
00:39:11
So I'm thinking about a couple of different things now, right? Yeah.
00:39:15
Now, Patrick Chung and Dont'a Hightower both could very well retire after this season.
00:39:20
Or they Yeah, or I could see us just moving on.
00:39:23
I don't know.
00:39:25
Well, that's what I'm thinking.
00:39:26
Hightower is due $12 million next year, right? And if they don't miss him, as much as we anticipate, we're gonna miss him this year.
00:39:33
I think they move on.
00:39:36
Yeah, because you could you could cut him and save $10 million in capital.
00:39:40
Right? And, dude, guys, you know, Hightower is my guy.
00:39:45
Like that is my guy I love.
00:39:49
Like that's my favorite.
00:39:50
That that's been my favorite player in the Patriots for the last, you know, four years.
00:39:54
Um, it would break my heart to see 54 leave.
00:39:59
Um, but it broke my heart to see the other, uh, 54 leave on.
00:40:04
And when Bruschi left, and but my boy high and but I'm sitting there going like man like If the defense, especially that middle, keeps playing the way they do, why not say to 10 million? I agree.
00:40:18
I mean, at the end of the day, Bill Belichick's been running this thing like a business since Day one.
00:40:22
So we've seen a lot of really good people who've been really big fan favorites leave.
00:40:29
And you know what? Bill Belichick has almost never been wrong.
00:40:33
Yeah, it's funny. I have.
00:40:35
I wish all Patriots success with Belichick cuts them.
00:40:38
I wish them no success when they leave on their own.
00:40:43
Hi, dude.
00:40:44
Hightower would hit me harder than Brady.
00:40:46
I'll be honest with.
00:40:47
Yeah, I would hit me harder than Brady.
00:40:49
I love high top.
00:40:50
I love I'm a defense guy.
00:40:52
Yeah, that's why, for the sake of this show and for our fan base and entertainment process, I'll talk more about offense because I know that's what people care about.
00:41:01
But I could sit down and talk about defense all day.
00:41:04
Right? I tell her, is my guide.
00:41:06
That one's gonna hurt me more than Brady.
00:41:08
I'll be honest with you.
00:41:09
Maybe you'll stay, though you know what we'll see.
00:41:12
Honestly, that might be one of the guys, though, that Belichick tells he needs to take a pay cut to because he does that all the time, too, is he pulls people aside and tells them that they're gonna play for less money.
00:41:22
I love that you're being super optimistic with you.
00:41:27
Don't you? Don't think Belichick will approach you and be like, Look, man, if you want to stay, we're gonna have to pay you less.
00:41:32
I think the arena, I think they'll give an extension If he comes back.
00:41:35
I think they'll give him like, a three year extension and spread that money out a little bit.
00:41:39
He'll probably like a back end.
00:41:40
Big deal where he'll, like retired, be cut before it even gets there. Thio.
00:41:44
That's what I could see happening that I don't see him saying like take a pay cut.
00:41:48
I could see him saying Let's extend it, let's put some more money and signing bonus Let's just spread some money out because that's that's true to a lot of the money is like funny money.
00:41:55
I feel like they're always moving it around and some of its like considered a signing bonus and there's there's always ways to mess with it.
00:42:02
Look what the Kansas City Chiefs had, like, $13 and it's somehow gave Patrick Mahomes this massive extension resigned.
00:42:08
Chris Jones.
00:42:09
You know, like, um, give somebody else a massive.
00:42:13
Who else to give him a contract extension to Travis Kelsey.
00:42:16
Travis Kelsey Got a big contract? Yep.
00:42:19
Travis, Kelsey got paid big time yet, so you had no money yet? You managed to get about three big extensions, you know, with big money.
00:42:27
And it's there's ways to manipulate the cap.
00:42:29
And Bill Belichick is a master manipulating the cap.
00:42:31
He knows how to move money around.
00:42:33
And because don't forget, man, if the what? From what I saw yesterday, we gotta pay Cam Newton next year.
00:42:39
So they're gonna find him.
00:42:41
Yeah.
00:42:42
They're gonna pay a quarterback as might as well be.
00:42:43
Can't do it if he's gonna play this.
00:42:45
Well, can I throw a worst case scenario? You and you tell me how you feel. Yeah.
00:42:50
So I'm a big you know, me.
00:42:52
I'm on in Bill.
00:42:53
We trust urine and Bill, you trust guy, right? Where I think that it's fair to say where Bill Belichick guys, um, if they made us pick a side braid your Belichick.
00:43:02
We both probably step towards Belichick.
00:43:03
Am I correct? I don't I never wanna pick.
00:43:06
But if they may choose, but But Brady already left.
00:43:09
So here we are.
00:43:10
Yeah, but they made us choose.
00:43:12
We in Bill, we trust, right? What if Cam Newton continues what we saw? It only gets better.
00:43:19
And Belichick doesn't wanna pay when we go with your instead of next season.
00:43:22
Would you, for the first time ever questioned the Hoody? I would feel like there was some reason why.
00:43:29
I don't know.
00:43:30
I would think that there was some under the underlying reason why Belichick decided not to go with them and not give them an extension.
00:43:36
I don't know.
00:43:37
I don't I wouldn't really question it that much.
00:43:40
Now.
00:43:41
I wonder now that you've read bits and piece of the dynasty.
00:43:43
I wonder if they do resign Cam Newton.
00:43:44
If Belichick does that contractor of craft does that contract.
00:43:49
Because if you haven't read the book guys, you may not know this.
00:43:53
Robert Kraft handles quarterback contracts, not Belichick.
00:43:56
People talk about Brady and Belichick.
00:43:57
Contract negotiations.
00:43:58
There never was one.
00:44:00
Robert Kraft covered Bledsoe in his Big 10 year extension.
00:44:03
He's covered all the Bradys extensions.
00:44:05
When he had to separate from him and Brady when they had some contention back in 2012 Jonathan Kraft had to step in and get try to get a deal done.
00:44:17
Um, so it's I wonder when Cam Newton's contract is up.
00:44:21
If if Robert Kraft is taking the same investment that that he did in Brady and Bledsoe, where he'll have Belichick do it or does, does he want to negotiate that contract as well? That's actually a good question because, like you said, going all the way back to blood, so you don't think Belichick even talked to him? What was it, even Belichick at the time? I think it was watching those parcels, but Craft just went right.
00:44:44
Thio Blood zone.
00:44:45
It said that they hashed it out in a couple of one on one conversations.
00:44:49
Do you know what the crazy actually sorry it was parcels the first time.
00:44:54
And then the big one came in in Belichick's first year in 2000 because in 2000 and one, when he was on his first year of his 10 year extension, um, the craziest part I found about that whole dynasty was back in 2000, and this was something I didn't know.
00:45:08
That blew my mind.
00:45:10
But the fact that Belichick wanted to start Brady Game one no eso the second Glatze went out with an injury.
00:45:21
It was already Brady's job. Toe lose.
00:45:24
That's insane to me, right? And then, yeah, it was funny because I just read that the other night that blood so went to go talk to craft.
00:45:33
To see a craft would override Belichick's decision to keep Brady playing after he came back and was healthy in November.
00:45:41
And he tried.
00:45:42
And it's funny.
00:45:43
That's the one thing that craft does metal more than we thought, and he'll stand up for He gets very close to his quarterbacks.
00:45:51
He got very close to Drew and very close to Brady, and, you know, and I think that that's where I think reading the dynasty has upset me a little bit more about Tom Brady.
00:46:02
Like how he had no problem pushing Bledsoe out the door.
00:46:09
But when Jimmy Garoppolo came suddenly Belichick's Amine Amini.
00:46:13
You know, um, he loves Dion Branch and you know rookie Dion Branch and you know.
00:46:19
He talked about his love and admiration for Bledsoe and how Bledsoe took him under his wing.
00:46:24
And, you know, last season, Brady sitting there going, Well, it's not my job to coach rookies.
00:46:29
Uh, it's phenomenal how, when it was beneficial for him, it was, you know, it was fine, but when it was beneficial for you know, everybody else, it wasn't.
00:46:38
There's a lot of irony in this book, man.
00:46:40
Just from like the Bill Parcells to the Bill Belichick situations from Brady, Jimmy G.
00:46:46
Like blood.
00:46:47
So it's very ironic.
00:46:48
It's like multiple things have come full circle just reading that it is.
00:46:51
And the more I dig into it, the more I'm just like I sit back and go like, Oh, okay, And I've been upset of Belichick.
00:47:00
I've been upset of Brady.
00:47:01
I've been upset of craft, had been upset of parcels.
00:47:04
I got upset of blood.
00:47:05
So like you get and you know what I mean big handed.
00:47:08
Drew Bledsoe.
00:47:10
Um, he could have made things really held that season and no one for Brady and he decided not to, you know, decided to take the high road and and keep mentoring the kids.
00:47:20
So see that Drew Bledsoe knew that his career in New England was over and kept mentoring Tom Brady to basically here, kid.
00:47:30
Take my job, right? Tom Brady couldn't coach up receivers last season toe to help benefit the team a little bit more.
00:47:39
Understand that. It's just the irony.
00:47:41
Doesn't get lost on me, right? And there's a lot of it in that book.
00:47:45
Tons of tons of stuff. Yeah.
00:47:49
Anything else you wanna talk about, or should we start wrapping things up? What do you think? You have any big prediction? Just wait till Thursday for him.
00:47:55
I think we'll get into the predictions on Thursday.
00:47:58
Um, like I said, I just I like the matchup against Seattle.
00:48:00
We could break it a little bit down on Thursday, a little more.
00:48:03
Maybe you want to do your research, I'll do a little bit more mind.
00:48:05
We can come into the really good educated thing for the people.
00:48:09
Nice.
00:48:10
You know, we'll follow this receiver thing, see if the Patriots do you make a move.
00:48:14
It will be, You know, maybe something can happen between now and Thursday.
00:48:18
It'll be fun and interesting. The watchman.
00:48:20
Hopefully, that's really will be.
00:48:21
Hopefully, that is what we're talking about on Thursday.
00:48:25
But if not, we'll break down all the week.
00:48:26
One games give you our predictions.
00:48:29
Um, on our show, you're going to get this straight pickups, and we'll also give you are spread picks is well, we'll talk about any crucial Patriots news.
00:48:38
Hopefully, it's either really good news or no news at all.
00:48:41
One of the other.
00:48:42
Yeah, yeah, nothing else.
00:48:43
Uh, man, don't forget to check out Connor tomorrow at 5 p.
00:48:47
m.
00:48:48
Eastern time on the Connor commentary Facebook page where he does his show.
00:48:51
Connor Commentary.
00:48:53
You can also find it up on his YouTube page about 6 p.m. Eastern Time.
00:48:57
Connor Commentary You can find me here tomorrow at around 10 p.m.
00:49:02
Eastern time talking a little bit of football talking soccer.
00:49:06
I'll also be doing a short Patriot stream.
00:49:08
You also find me on Joe New balls podcast over on his channel Thursday night.
00:49:12
You can catch me here on SportsCastr live with my boys, Lawrence, my boy Joe and our new boy, Keith, who's now joined the fray of SportsCastr news NFL where we do the pregame show for Thursday Night Football.
00:49:25
You can catch us every prime time game.
00:49:27
Thursday night, Monday night, Sunday night, all primetime pre games.
00:49:31
You can also catch us at 10 a.
00:49:32
m.
00:49:33
Sunday mornings where we break down and make our predictions for the week.
00:49:37
Find me and Conner here every Tuesday at 9 p.m.
00:49:42
Eastern time for DPM commentary.
00:49:44
Anything else I dio? Yeah, Mondays and Wednesdays.
00:49:48
You can catch deer Pass nation.
00:49:49
Where? Just me flying solo talking a little bit of New England patriots.
00:49:53
Um, find us on Twitter.
00:49:55
You can find me at d p n underscore.
00:49:56
Ray, you confined corner at Connor Commentary you, buddy? Um, I missing anything.
00:50:02
Conner, I think you got it.
00:50:04
All right.
00:50:05
Thank you. Covered all the bases.
00:50:07
Perfect.
00:50:08
Thank you so much, guys. Between you and we will see you Thursday.
00:50:10
Take care.
00:50:11
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