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00:00:00
you know, at minimum, but to the interception obviously switches momentum and takes all the wind out of, Ah, great drive, and I'll put that in my back pocket.
00:00:09
By the way, you went 18 plays an 8.
00:00:11
5 minutes against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:00:13
That is a really impressive accomplishment for this young football team.
00:00:17
I mean, I said, I said going into the game that the Giants were not gonna have any long sustained drives and that we were gonna have quick have to have quick strikes.
00:00:26
Felt good when I when you know our first touchdown is Darius Leighton, you know, 41 yards, big time play, and I said, That's how we're gonna beat this team.
00:00:34
Then we have this amazing 19 play drive.
00:00:36
You know, that will be the longest drive that the Steelers give up all season.
00:00:39
For sure, no one's going 19 plays 90 yards on that Steeler defense and and for it to end and not get any points out of it, it really felt like that was the critical moment in which the Giants could have taken a lead and really made the game interesting.
00:00:55
And instead, you know, you kind of come in with with, ah, field goal from the Steelers, you know, to start the fourth quarter and then the back breaking touchdown to end it by juju Smith Schuster.
00:01:05
Yeah, and we don't I mean, listen, we don't go over too much of what we saw there in the fourth, because I think that is the ac***ulation of then, you know, the defense got some of the nice key stops at the start of the half and, you know, moving their way through it.
00:01:18
You have that interception and it just starts to unravel.
00:01:20
They're a little bit to your point.
00:01:22
You know, that early field goal in the fourth for the Steelers you are talking about Give me six points, right? Give me or you may I say be seven points, technically punching that one early.
00:01:30
When you get the recovery, don't have the turn over there and get that field goal.
00:01:35
You could be sitting somewhere in the world of even 1913 or maybe even 19 to say, 17 if you punched in a touchdown there early.
00:01:44
There's a lot of version of versions of this game where even after that field goal and even after the touchdown, you're still sitting there, a 26 something, you know, 26 14 26 17.
00:01:57
Whatever may be feeling like you have a puncher's chance.
00:01:59
You know, reality young team, all the code of what it showed is right.
00:02:04
Typically, what you point to is the better more experienced teams don't have those.
00:02:07
Whereas the younger teams they're developing say, Well, if we had this, if we didn't miss here into that point, it's like you look a Roethlisberger getting his feet underneath him throughout this game, coming off that elbow surgery, and he was pretty consistent, even keeled and consistent, not taking a lot of big risks, right? And they can afford to do that because of what their defense is doing against our run game.
00:02:28
And they could afford to do it because those matchups were there in the secondary and they could look to shoes there when they really need to play.
00:02:34
So those are the things that make it a lot easier as you work your way through a second half to slowly pull away.
00:02:40
And obviously the late touchdown to slated for Daniel Jones was nice, but we we knew at that point as well. Too little, too late.
00:02:46
Nothing under two minutes there and trying to go for an onside kick.
00:02:49
Yeah, Darius, late in seven yard touchdown from Daniel Jones.
00:02:53
Just under two minutes to go.
00:02:54
I thought, you know, just as a small footnote the last couple of minutes of the game, you know, it was still a two score game.
00:03:00
It felt like the Giant for playing very, very slow and and didn't really have as much urgency as they could have.
00:03:06
It was it was critical, you know, when they had the ball with about 5 5.
00:03:10
5 minutes to go, that if you were going to score, you score before the two minute warning and they ended up scoring with a minute 50.
00:03:16
You had to time out.
00:03:17
Like it just the whole thing didn't work there.
00:03:20
There was there was that sequence there they're about.
00:03:22
They're just coming underneath three minutes.
00:03:24
And I was That's what I was saying was, Hey, if you could get this here with, you know, 2.
00:03:27
30 on the clock because you have the two time out, then you then you can play with the idea of Yeah, we could go for an onside kick.
00:03:33
You know, obviously, Or you could even just say we're gonna try to kick it long to give ourselves a field position opportunity with a two minute warning in two timeouts.
00:03:39
You'll get it with nothing, nothing in your pocket.
00:03:42
But you're talking about having a buck 30 no time outs and a chance to actually go down and get another score.
00:03:47
So you're right.
00:03:49
And again, it's probably that balance right of you wanna start really moving and get up tempo and start moving apace and you don't want to risk another may be air.
00:03:57
Another mistake that you look at the back end of it.
00:04:00
It starts to diminish the positives you take away from a lot of the guys.
00:04:03
Yeah, and with what the Steelers playing a little bit of off the ball.
00:04:08
That was a 13 play, 75 yard drive.
00:04:10
But were you know, really, at that point, it was just too little, too late to your point.
00:04:14
Final score.
00:04:15
Pittsburgh Steelers 26 New York football giants 16 all right, Well, Adam, I think it's time to get into some of the individual things What did you like? What? Didn't you like what takeaways that we could be excited about? What are the ones where we have some serious concerns? Yeah.
00:04:35
Listen, I have a lot of positives from this game.
00:04:37
Overall, I think there's a really a lot, a lot of good things to take away.
00:04:41
I'm gonna get this out of the way now, because I do want to focus on the positives.
00:04:44
You go back to that, uh, you go back to the early drive when we talked about the first drive of the game, when the Giants look what they had a pretty good rhythm.
00:04:51
Easy pass on the outside, routes wide open.
00:04:53
Evan Ingram drops it later in the game, has an opportunity down the scene.
00:04:59
Blows it by having an offensive pass interference call that he didn't need to commit.
00:05:02
You go inside the too tight end sets you take a look at him.
00:05:05
He's getting absolutely turned like a like a turn style coming through the running game.
00:05:08
So he's not contributing their, um and And he also blew, by the way, every by all accounts, miscommunication.
00:05:16
They were calling it on the broadcast, but by all accounts, he ran the wrong route down near the end zone with an opportunity to connect from Daniel Jones for a touchdown.
00:05:24
I'm not going to belabor it, but this is exactly what this guy is.
00:05:28
I know how exciting he is from athleticism standpoint and what he can bring to the offense.
00:05:33
But go back into the off season when so many people are talking about.
00:05:36
You can move them all over the field.
00:05:37
You can do all of these things.
00:05:38
He's never shown that he's a consistent route runner.
00:05:41
He's never shown that.
00:05:42
He's terribly intellectual in terms of understanding the in game strategy and making quick adjustments.
00:05:48
He fairly consistently drops the ball in some usually key spots because he's always trying to make the next big play there.
00:05:54
So that was a third downplay that he blew.
00:05:57
I think on a 3rd 11 nice pass, great protection from from the offensive line and then you talk about in the run game is well, Jason Garrett's gonna want to run these two tight end sets and if you can't offer at least the consistency of staying in front of the guy, you're not eating, Thomas, you're not aiding Fleming by just being another guy that somebody blows through, and if anything, it becomes more of a detriment because now where your double stacking players, it's still effectively, like having one there.
00:06:22
So you're really diminishing the value of the tight end position from that regard.
00:06:25
I'm not saying he's not gonna have big games in the season.
00:06:28
I'm not saying, you know, it's not gonna be exciting toe watching, but for my money And you mentioned it before that.
00:06:32
Caden Smith play.
00:06:34
That's what I want and he's not, and he's not even he's not.
00:06:37
He's an upper echelon, you know, run blocking, tight end.
00:06:39
But I want the guy that catches the ball, covers it up, gets physical, gets a couple extra grunt yards.
00:06:44
That's really what I need out of my tight end position, and it's just it's just incredibly frustrating and deflating.
00:06:50
I would have liked nothing better than to have been wrong about Evan Ingram, and this isn't this isn't a referendum, but I would have loved to see him come out and make the third down catch, get a nice little bit of a block, don't get hit with the often just did so many things wrong periodically throughout the game.
00:07:05
It was just Yep, there you are, same guy that you've always been.
00:07:08
Even when you're healthy, this is still what you are.
00:07:10
Ah, boom or bust up and down.
00:07:13
Inconsistent player Evan Ingram was my most disappointing player for the Giants.
00:07:21
And and that's not to say that he was the worst player on the field for the Giants.
00:07:25
He was the most disappointing because the expectations are he is a game changing athletic, you know, once in a generation type of tight end for the New York Giants, that that's that's the level that he's kind of set in terms of his athleticism, his height, his skill, like all of those things are there.
00:07:44
You know, you talked about the drop passes.
00:07:46
You talked about the pass interference.
00:07:47
You talked about the blocking.
00:07:49
There was also the play, you know, after the after the ****ed punt by the Steelers, it's third down almost on the goal line.
00:07:55
Daniel Jones does roll out to his right.
00:07:58
It looks like, you know Evan Ingram was kind of selling that he was in the run blocking game and then he kind of turned and almost planted his feet when Daniel Jones was leading him into a wide open space.
00:08:08
So 5 to 7 yards.
00:08:09
And he's why, if he continues his route the way that he should and rolls with Daniel Jones, that is a literally walk in the park.
00:08:17
Touchdown.
00:08:18
And, you know, I saw a bunch of people saying, Oh, Daniel Jones overthrew him.
00:08:21
He didn't throw it right.
00:08:22
It's like, No, he needs Thio disengage from whatever, you know, blocking.
00:08:27
He was not making whatever the block Phantom Block was.
00:08:32
That was happening at the time.
00:08:33
He needs to disengage from that and immediately turn and become a large target and give Daniel Jones as much room for error as humanly possible.
00:08:41
And so I turned around and just kind of stood there and stuck out one arm and and to me, that that was the most frustrating play for me, because if he scores there, the Giants are rolling.
00:08:51
It gives him confidence.
00:08:53
Daniel Jones feels good.
00:08:54
It was a huge play for me that I don't think it's mentioned enough and and to your point, there are other players were gonna point out in a second that did not have good games.
00:09:04
But because Evan Ingram's expectations are so high for how athletic and great he can be in the passing game, it is so disappointing to see him get to catches for eight yards.
00:09:14
That cannot happen, because if he's not making those athletic plays, we need to have Caden Smith in there.
00:09:19
We need to have Titolo in there because he's not a good run blocker.
00:09:23
So if he's not making big time plays down the field and he's not blocking anyone, he's not helping the New York football Giants.
00:09:29
You go back to Dallas right under under Jason Garrett.
00:09:32
What was the beauty of their tight end? It's just it may have heard of him, right? Jason Witten? The whole point was, this guy is not the most athletic dude in the world.
00:09:39
But you know what he did effectively contributed in the block.
00:09:42
And I don't mean effectively high level effectiveness in the plot in the past and run blocking game and then could go out and make consistent catches and move the chains on third dance.
00:09:52
That's what you need first from a tight end.
00:09:54
If you get the athletic bonus.
00:09:55
If you don't even go out there and look at a guy like Greg Kittles for the 40 Niners.
00:09:59
Talk about Travis Kelsey.
00:10:00
I know that all the highlights are about their catches.
00:10:03
Guess what? Those guys are also effective running pass blockers like they are also a plus in those categories.
00:10:09
So those are huge factors, too.
00:10:11
When you think about all the great things that a tight end does, it still has to come with this baseline of if you're going to be on the field.
00:10:17
If you're taking reps from a troop, your blocking tight end, then you have to do those things close to efficient.
00:10:23
You don't have to be great in them, but you have to be better than what Evan Ingram has been.
00:10:28
And that's that.
00:10:29
That's that's a consistency.
00:10:30
And to me, maybe this is probably the thing I hate about in the most, and I we'll move off this because I don't want I didn't wanna belabor this, and there will be big games for for him over the course the season.
00:10:40
I'll be happy about that.
00:10:42
The biggest problem for me is you haven't shown improvement in those areas you've been in this league too long, even with injuries, to not have shown improvement in these areas, and that means that that that, to me, is you're just not making that effort.
00:10:55
You're not making the effort in practice to improve in these areas of your game, and that's the indictment really on him.
00:11:01
You know what? No one was more disappointed than me in our player projections.
00:11:06
I highlighted evident Graham, as expected, to have a big game touchdown, a bunch of yards, and what's crazy is the place where they're like you got targeted, you know, 789 times.
00:11:16
It just seemed like he was on a different page than everybody else.
00:11:19
And they'll be big games for him down the road and against worst defense is, but yes, agreed It was a bad game.
00:11:26
I'm not going to go overreact and say that this is a microcosm of his season.
00:11:31
What I'm going to say.
00:11:32
It was a disappointing game by itself.
00:11:34
I expect him to come out against Chicago and play better.
00:11:38
When we talk about disappointing players, we talk about one, that man.
00:11:41
I don't even know where we go from here with Camp Fleming, you know we way.
00:11:48
We came into this season saying, All right, we have this new offensive line, you know, We talked about it before the podcast.
00:11:54
We moved Nick Gates over to center to try to get a little bit more athleticism there, and we wanted to get him in the starting role.
00:12:00
They bring camp.
00:12:01
Fleming, in from Dallas, has familiarity with Colombo, and Jason Garrett has played swing tackle for quite a bit.
00:12:09
Uh, if we're talking no over reaction Tuesday morning here.
00:12:14
But Adam, this is like a wave, that red flag as high as you can because we may give him another half of football against the Bears to see if he can correct it.
00:12:26
If this is still occurring, he cannot be on the field well.
00:12:29
And here's the problem, right? You go back to the offseason, say, making that switch, we will be debated this a long time.
00:12:35
There was a lot of options and possibilities in free agency and how you wanted to approach this.
00:12:40
You know, I was a big proponent of keeping Gates at the right tackle position and just saying, You have them there.
00:12:46
He's shown you enough.
00:12:47
You know, you have that now start to fix other pieces.
00:12:49
I was excited when they moved them to center, but now you plug in Fleming, a guy that's been essentially a career backup.
00:12:55
He is now a starting tackle, improving that he may may not be able to be a starting tackle, and the real issue is the Giants get hurt in the draft, and they like him and regarded as a great selection for the Giants.
00:13:08
But everyone says This is a guy you want to give a year to really get his feet underneath them, learn the system, improve some areas.
00:13:14
Now you're talking about the potential of what do you want to do here, go to the market and try to find another player to bring in there or thrust a young player.
00:13:22
You know, a little bit of that baptism by fire, and I don't I don't know who's out there right now, but you, like you said, you're about a bad half away against Chicago from saying this is a problem.
00:13:34
You know, we wanted to have a least a level of consistency there and again, very tough defense against the Steelers.
00:13:40
But I I think You know, a lot of times you look at any of these games, something to talk about Daniel Jones, right? Like you could take more positives out of this game than negatives, even against a tough defense.
00:13:50
And that's what you're looking for, even in losses, just to say Yeah, but they played well, played consistent.
00:13:54
There's a lot of guys that did that funding.
00:13:56
Unfortunately, it just looked like you don't have.
00:13:59
You don't have the level to get Thio.
00:14:00
You don't have the gear to get to here.
00:14:02
This is what you are.
00:14:03
And it's not gonna be good enough at right tackle.
00:14:05
Yeah, and you mentioned it.
00:14:07
But it does.
00:14:08
It does need to be stressed.
00:14:09
The Pittsburgh Steelers might be the best defense that the Giants face all year.
00:14:14
Their ability to rush the passer with guys like Dupri and Watt and have a wrecking ball in in Hayward in the middle.
00:14:24
They they are, you know, probably the best defense we're gonna face.
00:14:28
So you know, let's put a baseline there and say that was a very difficult matchup and it's why, why I highlighted it being such a terrible matchup, probably the worst matchup for the Giants.
00:14:38
Week one is a team that, uh, Rush is the quarterback and makes teams turn the ball over when the two issues the Giants have had is Daniel Jones fumbling the ball and the offensive line Getting pressure, you know, pressured consistently.
00:14:54
Once we talked about, I think, 25 interceptions last year for for the Pittsburgh Steelers combined, I think 18 fumbles.
00:15:02
You know, they're plus eight in that margin.
00:15:04
That number gets brought down significantly by not having Roethlisberger there.
00:15:07
You have a lot more turnovers from the quarterback position as well.
00:15:09
So yeah, forcing turnovers.
00:15:11
A real problem for the Giants coming into week.
00:15:14
One new system, new, everything else.
00:15:16
So there is that reality there.
00:15:19
And yet, yes, I agree with it.
00:15:24
Maybe we look at someone like Jackson Barton, who we picked up, you know, off of waivers.
00:15:28
He's kind of a backup tackle on the left side.
00:15:30
Maybe we see how he looks on the right hand side again.
00:15:33
This is overreaction Tuesday.
00:15:35
We're going a little crazy.
00:15:36
But honestly, if if the first half of the Chicago game looks anything like this, well, I mean we gotta protect Daniel Jones we gotta protect sick on Barkley like we can't.
00:15:44
We can't have him getting getting crushed on the right hand side.
00:15:47
And more than anything, my take away is that Now, Now I get now I get hyper focused on Fleming right now.
00:15:52
Now, first half next week becomes really important.
00:15:54
Now that, you know, you start to really look at him and just say okay, really bad matchup Week one first lot.
00:16:00
You know, first game action for this new offensive line.
00:16:03
Communication, etcetera.
00:16:04
So, you know, But you're gonna be hyper focused on him now and then.
00:16:07
Likewise, You know, I will say we mentioned him about I would have preferred about that.
00:16:11
Right tackle Nick Gates.
00:16:12
By all accounts, you know, the middle of this offensive line.
00:16:15
Had it struggles, There were a number of plays here.
00:16:18
We'll hold off for one second.
00:16:20
Is there anybody else that was egregious to you in terms off the negatives he took away from here? No, I think those are the two big glaring ones Where if you watch that game over again, you probably look at the film and you feel the exact same way because the place we're just there consistently for both of them.
00:16:35
It wasn't like, Oh, is one bad play for Ingraham or Oh, it was just this one whiffed, blocked by camp.
00:16:41
I mean, it was systemic, consistent, and you know we can.
00:16:44
We can kind of put a pause on the on the bad Adam.
00:16:47
And I think, let's let's get some optimism heading into Chicago and talk about maybe one or two places that we thought the Giants did perform well, I think we should stick on the offensive line and swing over to the left hand side and look at our number one draft pick. Andrew Thomas.
00:17:06
Yeah, for for For me, as bad as the offensive line looked especially in run protection as we know a disastrous night for sake, want Barkley? You know, January Jones had more yards than him.
00:17:19
I think that the Pittsburgh Steelers had more yards on one play than, say, Kwan Barkley ac***ulated in this game.
00:17:24
That that was really weird to me, to see that to see in the run game specifically because you thought Hernandez and Zettler and you're gonna start to build off of it.
00:17:31
But Thomas was, as about as ready as a rookie left tackle.
00:17:39
Could be.
00:17:40
I mean, I think that he held his own against TJ Watt and against these incredible defensive players for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:17:47
I think that he looked oddly enough.
00:17:49
He looked a little bit shaky and run because everybody looked a little bit shaky.
00:17:53
But he looks surprisingly strong.
00:17:56
Or at least baseline good in pass protection so that you wanna talk positive.
00:18:01
I come out of this game saying, Uh, this is a guy that could at least be getting those nods, you know, for getting those discussions about a player, that is, I'm saying, you know, rookie of the year kind of things where you go, you know, big rookie surprises, especially on offensive line.
00:18:16
He's gonna be there.
00:18:17
I think that my week three or four, you're gonna be talking about seeing some pretty consistent play, still going to get those hiccups as every young player does.
00:18:24
But I loved what I saw from him.
00:18:27
I mean, we watched, you know during during the combine and when we were doing all of our predraft work, we looked at Andrew Thomas and we said this is a starting caliber guy that could come in.
00:18:39
He's polished, he said.
00:18:40
Multiple years in the SEC, you know, blocking, blocking the left hand side.
00:18:44
He is as ready made as possible.
00:18:46
We needed to see validation that that would transfer over into the pros.
00:18:50
And as much as we take it with a grain of salt with complaining that it was a very, very tough defense, you got a heap.
00:18:58
Some praise on Andrew Thomas for doing as well as he did in that regard against such a tough defense.
00:19:03
It made me think like we have found the answer on the left hand side and again overreaction Tuesday.
00:19:10
But to me, you know, this is one where I feel really good because everything that we thought was gonna happen was validated.
00:19:17
And to me, that feels like it's got a better chance of happening continually for the New York Giants.
00:19:21
Yeah, they'll be bad place for Thomas, as we know, but this is a great first showing for him and and like you say, especially with high high draft picks, not just in the first, but 2nd and 3rd.
00:19:30
Even what you want is just validation that it was the right call and I think, especially with this type of challenge, given the revamp of the offensive line playing Pittsburgh really positive returns for him.
00:19:41
I'll flip it over and we can jump around.
00:19:43
But on the on the defensive side of the ball, I really liked what I saw from Blake Martinez.
00:19:49
Listen, you know, you know he's a tackling machine.
00:19:51
That's the positive right.
00:19:53
The negative was, Yeah, he's just ac***ulated because he sits back.
00:19:56
I thought that he showed up great and run support, closed in on on ball carriers and on receivers to give secondary efforts to supplement a cornerback's tackle.
00:20:05
I really thought that he looked incredibly crisp.
00:20:08
I thought that he was instinctual and he looked quicker than I maybe would have would have anticipated.
00:20:13
Based on what the perception of what he's gonna be for for this defense.
00:20:16
And, you know, I I took a ton of positives for his game as well.
00:20:20
Every time a player was getting tackled for the Steelers, I was like, Who is that? And then I looked up on, like all that was Blake Martinez, like you can kind of see the mannerisms of a lot of Giants in terms of how they tackle or like how they get up like this is new because Black Marty, we haven't seen any preseason.
00:20:35
But he's all over feeling like, Who is that? And then all of a sudden, of course, it ends up being Blake Martinez.
00:20:40
I think you're right.
00:20:41
You know, he had 12 tackles, he was everywhere.
00:20:44
And it is refreshing to see that that he was all over the field, you know, sticking on the defensive side of the ball.
00:20:51
I do think that Leonard Williams looked great and again if you want, if you want Saks if the only thing you care about a sacks he got you one.
00:21:01
And there you go.
00:21:02
You're happy if you care more about all of the other advanced metrics he had.
00:21:07
Mork, you be rushes.
00:21:08
He had Mork you be hits.
00:21:09
He was getting in the backfield.
00:21:11
He made tackles.
00:21:12
He, you know, forget about the number of how much money he is making.
00:21:16
And just ask yourself if he is contributing to the success of the defense.
00:21:22
And my answer is a resounding yes, Yes.
00:21:25
Listen, I'll be very curious to see how a lot of people react to this, you could go one of two ways with it, right? You could be a real pessimist about it and say always finally doing what he was supposed to be doing right and getting some of these pressures.
00:21:36
It's the exact same thing that he was doing last year for us.
00:21:38
Yeah, he was getting close, getting pressures.
00:21:40
Sometimes the net result of the play was better or worse than what you might want.
00:21:45
Or you're gonna be on the flip side of it and say he's still got to get home on those sack opportunities, right? Like I love what I saw from him.
00:21:51
I again, and this goes down the line about saying, I thought Dexter Lawrence had a really strong game as well.
00:21:57
There on the line, he gets the sack.
00:21:58
He had a fantastic play at one point where he was going down in towards the line and then stepped immediately back and ended up getting in on a short run Stop.
00:22:08
I'm sorry.
00:22:09
It's short, short reception stop out of a dump from Roethlisberger.
00:22:11
So great instincts from him a little bit slimmer, a little more muscular, but you're 100% right? Leonard Williams showed up really well in this game.
00:22:18
I thought the defensive front of the whole showed up pretty consistently in this one, too.
00:22:23
Are you surprised? Because again, great positives there.
00:22:27
And I'll look to just Seymour of it.
00:22:28
Were you surprised that, you know, factual was popping up a lot there in this based on what we saw, I mean, I can also, by the way, I could double down here and say I loved what I saw from one Lorenzo Carter.
00:22:42
I I think that that that that knew that next step for him is very clear and apparent.
00:22:47
I think that he's going more instinctual.
00:22:49
I think that Patrick Graham immediately came in and identified where you want to use him and is having him do what he is most effective at.
00:22:55
And I thought that he had a really strong game, especially in run support.
00:22:58
You know, the run defense was great.
00:23:00
He got pressure, got into the backfield against Roethlisberger a couple of times there as well, so I took a lot of positives from his game overall in this one too.
00:23:09
Were there anything that surprised you just in terms of personnel that you saw out there on the defensive side of the ball a little bit.
00:23:15
Um, you know, I thought we were going to see a bit mawr of Devante Downs.
00:23:20
You know, he was He was touted all all preseason as the guy and then didn't end up having a tackle.
00:23:26
You know, of course, he ended up having the fumble on special fumble recovery on special teams found a way to contribute, but everyone was saying they let Ryan Connolly go because Devante down said, look so great.
00:23:37
And then he doesn't even register a tackle in the game.
00:23:39
To me, that was surprising.
00:23:41
But overall, I liked what I saw from the linebacker corps.
00:23:43
You talked about Lorenzo Carter.
00:23:44
You talked about Blake Martinez.
00:23:46
They looked very good to me.
00:23:48
And our defensive line, which is supposed to be our strongest unit, really delivered now.
00:23:53
I don't wanna We're staying on the positive end of things, but oh, it's worth noting that in this game, when you go over back into the numbers and you take a look at a player like Marcus Golden and you take a look at a player like ocean examine is, you know, examiners recorded one Q B hit.
00:24:09
That's his stat line for the game, and they talk about Markus Golden with three solo tackles.
00:24:13
That's his stat line for the game.
00:24:15
Something just to keep an eye on there.
00:24:16
You know, we talked about wanting Carter to take that next step.
00:24:19
He's clearly doing it.
00:24:20
We're thinking about X Man, and I just This is in the back of my mind about we always say, Well, why was Marcus Golden Golden just out there, right? Looking for a particular contract, Wanted a certain thing, going to be watching to see how they progress for very different reasons because they do need to be impact players for us.
00:24:36
But that's that's That's a footnote toe watch as we move forward.
00:24:39
Yeah, I think there's a couple of other different bright spots that we can we can say, you know, all the player flashed out.
00:24:44
This player showed.
00:24:45
The only other player I'm gonna go to is is Darius Leighton.
00:24:49
I think we mentioned it earlier.
00:24:50
I think it's worth noting, you know, six catches for over 102 touchdowns.
00:24:54
He looked tall, He looked athletic, He looked explosive.
00:24:57
He was getting Open, He made himself a big target for Daniel Jones.
00:25:02
This is just reaffirming everything that we saw last year.
00:25:05
I don't think I saw anything that I would say, Oh, he's now change something in his game.
00:25:09
I think he's exactly the guy that we, you know, saw him to be last year, and now he's really proving that.
00:25:14
He's, you know, looking around saying, I can be a number one guy here for sure.
00:25:18
You know, you said six for 10 to even take away the 41 yard touchdown.
00:25:22
You're still sitting there five for 60 plus yards, you know, really consistent.
00:25:25
And he clearly has the dynamic kind of burst where you're able to look for him down the field with some consistency targeted nine times as was, say, Kwan Barkley out of the backfield, who went six for 60.
00:25:35
Now that that could be in conjunction with what? You didn't get out of the run game, but we talked about this coming into it as well, that getting him out in space and finding a way to get him the football and let him be dynamic.
00:25:46
Now you gotta way.
00:25:49
No, we need to fix here going forward.
00:25:51
But the fact that you can that you can go ahead and get him out in space and be picking up 10 yards at a clip is also something nice.
00:25:58
You could take a positive out of there, but to your point, we said it earlier.
00:26:01
You highlighted it to me.
00:26:03
We can really feel like we got 1/5 round steel who is now our number one wide receiver and, by the way, supplemented with has a clear connection with Daniel Jones.
00:26:13
Like, that was what we thought last year when he came in, it just seemed like they had a good report.
00:26:17
Both young players, both rookies.
00:26:19
And this is kind of how you want a pair something with the offensive line.
00:26:23
Get a quality center there in front of Jones, right? You want these guys to be growing and learning together, and that that that really projects nicely for a player like Slaten as he continues to develop that relationship with our quarterback.
00:26:34
Yeah, agree that I'm excited about that.
00:26:36
You know, it's gonna look even better when we have someone like Tate on the other side.
00:26:41
Who is someone that that that opposing defense is gonna have to watch.
00:26:45
You know, if if Slaten continues this this dominance that he's having, you know he's going to start commanding double teams and really, you open up the field for other people to make big plays, and that's where we can see a guy like Sterling Shepard come in.
00:26:57
You know, he he was, ah, reliable kind of slot guy.
00:27:00
You know, I think he had six catches, is well, he was.
00:27:03
He was in the flow of the offense.
00:27:05
He's another guy that I would kind of say he had a B B plus game, like he did everything that you asked him to, but didn't really make any big time plays or make you know that that huge third or fourth down play eso There's a bunch of different players that we could highlight that had flashes.
00:27:19
But I think overall we look at you know, Fleming in Ingram as a to that we have major concerns about and, you know, you look at the positives were all around in terms of Thomas in terms of like Martinez in terms of letter Williams and a lot just overall on the defense that we thought we were excited about.
00:27:36
Yeah, and that's again why, you know, you come out of it and you can look at those turnovers and, you know, you could look at the games in 26 16.
00:27:42
You weren't really ended at the back end of the fourth quarter, but again, I have far more positives here to take away the negatives regard regarding this team.
00:27:51
Especially when you talk about the matchup that you're facing there and in week one weird preseason, everything that goes into it, I I come out feeling a lot stronger than I did going into it, necessarily.
00:28:03
There could have been a lot more things that I say, Boy, we've got issues here and there again.
00:28:08
We'll focus on the offensive line and we two and see how that develops.
00:28:11
Well, the big picture here is we wrap this one up.
00:28:13
Obviously, listen, you know, 21st downs to 19 in favor of the Giants.
00:28:18
You're talking about a team that on Lee surrendered 208 passing yards to the Pittsburgh Steelers in that offense.
00:28:24
Now they gave up 141 in the run game.
00:28:26
But the fact that you're sitting there, You know that there's some value there figuring out later in the game when they can start to dictate tempo a little bit.
00:28:34
And you really saw Snell for them.
00:28:36
Come in after Connor tweaked his ankle and have an incredibly effective performance.
00:28:39
So he may be a guy toe.
00:28:41
Keep an eye on from a fantasy perspective, if you wanna have a tidbit out there.
00:28:44
But, you know, you did a pretty good job.
00:28:46
Only four penalties in the game for 25 yards.
00:28:49
Um, you know, three sacks.
00:28:51
You like that? Even with all of that pressure, whether it was Daniel Jones being effective and moving on or just trying to be dynamic, get quick passes on.
00:28:59
Lee surrendered two sacks as well.
00:29:00
So the silver lining here is against a really stiff opponent.
00:29:05
You found a way to play a really tight, consistent game and having given up a long drive to Pittsburgh along the way, you had a big driver yourself.
00:29:13
Time of possession, 31 28.
00:29:15
We asked that question out there on Twitter about where you thought the Giants would be in terms of controlling the ball.
00:29:21
Very nobody put him near 30.
00:29:23
But you know, even that north of 20 to 20 to 30 was a hard area to kind of hang your hat on.
00:29:28
So that's nice to the fact that you could have consistency, have some sustained drives.
00:29:32
It just listen, you trick yourself into wanting.
00:29:37
Ah, w right.
00:29:39
What I will say is, and we won't get it.
00:29:41
We'll get into it at the end of the week.
00:29:44
This upcoming match up.
00:29:45
Now, you gotta you do get you into an immediate must win territory for the Giants because of how the schedule shakes out.
00:29:51
You want to stay positive and build off of it.
00:29:53
You've got to be able to turn those into successes as we started.
00:29:57
It doesn't hurt any less, right? We kind of really It really doesn't.
00:30:02
And we kind of knew that, you know, we were underdogs were six point underdogs.
00:30:06
We both predicted that the Steelers were gonna win.
00:30:09
Yet during the middle of the game.
00:30:10
I'm like, man, I hope I'm wrong.
00:30:11
And it certainly doesn't hurt any any less knowing that.
00:30:15
And, you know, I think the easiest way to wrap this up in and one final bright spot is the Dallas Cowboys lost, the Philadelphia Eagles lost, and the Washington football team is the Onley team ahead of the New York Giants in the NFC East.
00:30:29
So when you talk about losing ground to some of your division opponents, it's not all doom and gloom.
00:30:33
Yet we still have an opportunity to come back.
00:30:35
But to your point, I think it's easy.
00:30:38
Easy enough to say at this point, we're on to Chicago.
00:30:41
Uh huh.
00:30:43
Last footnote, because we didn't touch on this at all, and I think it's really important.
00:30:49
Joe Johns seemed fine.
00:30:52
You know, Joe, Joe, there weren't any of these really ish glaring issues out there.
00:30:56
Now you're relying heavily on Jason Garrett and I'm Patrick Graham.
00:31:00
But this is a great This is a great way to have a little chuckle here.
00:31:04
He didn't have a problem like Denver did, keeping three timeouts in their pocket with, you know, 2.
00:31:09
5 minutes to go and letting the Tennessee Titans bleed them dry and then kick a field goal to win the game.
00:31:15
There weren't any of those blunders out there, and I think that that's a nice thing to remind everybody to.
00:31:19
Or maybe how Dallas, you know, kind of inexcusable play calling and then not tying up the game and then not calling time out and then keeping a time out like, Yeah, there was none of that from Joe Judge.
00:31:31
You didn't feel like like he wasn't doing the right things.
00:31:33
I will say there was an opportunity to potentially challenge, You know, that that early ball gates, you know, just just, you know, one of those sad the things he could done.
00:31:42
But overall, it seemed like he had commanded the team.
00:31:45
And, you know, like you said, No concerns there.
00:31:48
Like what I saw, You know, if anything, this week, one made me more optimistic about Chicago than I was before the game.
00:31:56
Yes, 100%.
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00:32:04
We are lining up a special guest that will give us some insights to the Chicago Bears team that will be facing next weekend, and in the meantime, we'll come back in and talk about any injury updates.
00:32:15
Some of the inactives from this game that maybe we'll see get rotated up into the starting rotation for the New York football giants.
00:32:21
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you know, at minimum, but to the interception obviously switches momentum and takes all the wind out of, Ah, great drive, and I'll put that in my back pocket.
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By the way, you went 18 plays an 8.
00:00:11
5 minutes against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:00:13
That is a really impressive accomplishment for this young football team.
00:00:17
I mean, I said, I said going into the game that the Giants were not gonna have any long sustained drives and that we were gonna have quick have to have quick strikes.
00:00:26
Felt good when I when you know our first touchdown is Darius Leighton, you know, 41 yards, big time play, and I said, That's how we're gonna beat this team.
00:00:34
Then we have this amazing 19 play drive.
00:00:36
You know, that will be the longest drive that the Steelers give up all season.
00:00:39
For sure, no one's going 19 plays 90 yards on that Steeler defense and and for it to end and not get any points out of it, it really felt like that was the critical moment in which the Giants could have taken a lead and really made the game interesting.
00:00:55
And instead, you know, you kind of come in with with, ah, field goal from the Steelers, you know, to start the fourth quarter and then the back breaking touchdown to end it by juju Smith Schuster.
00:01:05
Yeah, and we don't I mean, listen, we don't go over too much of what we saw there in the fourth, because I think that is the ac***ulation of then, you know, the defense got some of the nice key stops at the start of the half and, you know, moving their way through it.
00:01:18
You have that interception and it just starts to unravel.
00:01:20
They're a little bit to your point.
00:01:22
You know, that early field goal in the fourth for the Steelers you are talking about Give me six points, right? Give me or you may I say be seven points, technically punching that one early.
00:01:30
When you get the recovery, don't have the turn over there and get that field goal.
00:01:35
You could be sitting somewhere in the world of even 1913 or maybe even 19 to say, 17 if you punched in a touchdown there early.
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There's a lot of version of versions of this game where even after that field goal and even after the touchdown, you're still sitting there, a 26 something, you know, 26 14 26 17.
00:01:57
Whatever may be feeling like you have a puncher's chance.
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You know, reality young team, all the code of what it showed is right.
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Typically, what you point to is the better more experienced teams don't have those.
00:02:07
Whereas the younger teams they're developing say, Well, if we had this, if we didn't miss here into that point, it's like you look a Roethlisberger getting his feet underneath him throughout this game, coming off that elbow surgery, and he was pretty consistent, even keeled and consistent, not taking a lot of big risks, right? And they can afford to do that because of what their defense is doing against our run game.
00:02:28
And they could afford to do it because those matchups were there in the secondary and they could look to shoes there when they really need to play.
00:02:34
So those are the things that make it a lot easier as you work your way through a second half to slowly pull away.
00:02:40
And obviously the late touchdown to slated for Daniel Jones was nice, but we we knew at that point as well. Too little, too late.
00:02:46
Nothing under two minutes there and trying to go for an onside kick.
00:02:49
Yeah, Darius, late in seven yard touchdown from Daniel Jones.
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Just under two minutes to go.
00:02:54
I thought, you know, just as a small footnote the last couple of minutes of the game, you know, it was still a two score game.
00:03:00
It felt like the Giant for playing very, very slow and and didn't really have as much urgency as they could have.
00:03:06
It was it was critical, you know, when they had the ball with about 5 5.
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5 minutes to go, that if you were going to score, you score before the two minute warning and they ended up scoring with a minute 50.
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You had to time out.
00:03:17
Like it just the whole thing didn't work there.
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There was there was that sequence there they're about.
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They're just coming underneath three minutes.
00:03:24
And I was That's what I was saying was, Hey, if you could get this here with, you know, 2.
00:03:27
30 on the clock because you have the two time out, then you then you can play with the idea of Yeah, we could go for an onside kick.
00:03:33
You know, obviously, Or you could even just say we're gonna try to kick it long to give ourselves a field position opportunity with a two minute warning in two timeouts.
00:03:39
You'll get it with nothing, nothing in your pocket.
00:03:42
But you're talking about having a buck 30 no time outs and a chance to actually go down and get another score.
00:03:47
So you're right.
00:03:49
And again, it's probably that balance right of you wanna start really moving and get up tempo and start moving apace and you don't want to risk another may be air.
00:03:57
Another mistake that you look at the back end of it.
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It starts to diminish the positives you take away from a lot of the guys.
00:04:03
Yeah, and with what the Steelers playing a little bit of off the ball.
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That was a 13 play, 75 yard drive.
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But were you know, really, at that point, it was just too little, too late to your point.
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Final score.
00:04:15
Pittsburgh Steelers 26 New York football giants 16 all right, Well, Adam, I think it's time to get into some of the individual things What did you like? What? Didn't you like what takeaways that we could be excited about? What are the ones where we have some serious concerns? Yeah.
00:04:35
Listen, I have a lot of positives from this game.
00:04:37
Overall, I think there's a really a lot, a lot of good things to take away.
00:04:41
I'm gonna get this out of the way now, because I do want to focus on the positives.
00:04:44
You go back to that, uh, you go back to the early drive when we talked about the first drive of the game, when the Giants look what they had a pretty good rhythm.
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Easy pass on the outside, routes wide open.
00:04:53
Evan Ingram drops it later in the game, has an opportunity down the scene.
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Blows it by having an offensive pass interference call that he didn't need to commit.
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You go inside the too tight end sets you take a look at him.
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He's getting absolutely turned like a like a turn style coming through the running game.
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So he's not contributing their, um and And he also blew, by the way, every by all accounts, miscommunication.
00:05:16
They were calling it on the broadcast, but by all accounts, he ran the wrong route down near the end zone with an opportunity to connect from Daniel Jones for a touchdown.
00:05:24
I'm not going to belabor it, but this is exactly what this guy is.
00:05:28
I know how exciting he is from athleticism standpoint and what he can bring to the offense.
00:05:33
But go back into the off season when so many people are talking about.
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You can move them all over the field.
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You can do all of these things.
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He's never shown that he's a consistent route runner.
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He's never shown that.
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He's terribly intellectual in terms of understanding the in game strategy and making quick adjustments.
00:05:48
He fairly consistently drops the ball in some usually key spots because he's always trying to make the next big play there.
00:05:54
So that was a third downplay that he blew.
00:05:57
I think on a 3rd 11 nice pass, great protection from from the offensive line and then you talk about in the run game is well, Jason Garrett's gonna want to run these two tight end sets and if you can't offer at least the consistency of staying in front of the guy, you're not eating, Thomas, you're not aiding Fleming by just being another guy that somebody blows through, and if anything, it becomes more of a detriment because now where your double stacking players, it's still effectively, like having one there.
00:06:22
So you're really diminishing the value of the tight end position from that regard.
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I'm not saying he's not gonna have big games in the season.
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I'm not saying, you know, it's not gonna be exciting toe watching, but for my money And you mentioned it before that.
00:06:32
Caden Smith play.
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That's what I want and he's not, and he's not even he's not.
00:06:37
He's an upper echelon, you know, run blocking, tight end.
00:06:39
But I want the guy that catches the ball, covers it up, gets physical, gets a couple extra grunt yards.
00:06:44
That's really what I need out of my tight end position, and it's just it's just incredibly frustrating and deflating.
00:06:50
I would have liked nothing better than to have been wrong about Evan Ingram, and this isn't this isn't a referendum, but I would have loved to see him come out and make the third down catch, get a nice little bit of a block, don't get hit with the often just did so many things wrong periodically throughout the game.
00:07:05
It was just Yep, there you are, same guy that you've always been.
00:07:08
Even when you're healthy, this is still what you are.
00:07:10
Ah, boom or bust up and down.
00:07:13
Inconsistent player Evan Ingram was my most disappointing player for the Giants.
00:07:21
And and that's not to say that he was the worst player on the field for the Giants.
00:07:25
He was the most disappointing because the expectations are he is a game changing athletic, you know, once in a generation type of tight end for the New York Giants, that that's that's the level that he's kind of set in terms of his athleticism, his height, his skill, like all of those things are there.
00:07:44
You know, you talked about the drop passes.
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You talked about the pass interference.
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You talked about the blocking.
00:07:49
There was also the play, you know, after the after the ****ed punt by the Steelers, it's third down almost on the goal line.
00:07:55
Daniel Jones does roll out to his right.
00:07:58
It looks like, you know Evan Ingram was kind of selling that he was in the run blocking game and then he kind of turned and almost planted his feet when Daniel Jones was leading him into a wide open space.
00:08:08
So 5 to 7 yards.
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And he's why, if he continues his route the way that he should and rolls with Daniel Jones, that is a literally walk in the park.
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Touchdown.
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And, you know, I saw a bunch of people saying, Oh, Daniel Jones overthrew him.
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He didn't throw it right.
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It's like, No, he needs Thio disengage from whatever, you know, blocking.
00:08:27
He was not making whatever the block Phantom Block was.
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That was happening at the time.
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He needs to disengage from that and immediately turn and become a large target and give Daniel Jones as much room for error as humanly possible.
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And so I turned around and just kind of stood there and stuck out one arm and and to me, that that was the most frustrating play for me, because if he scores there, the Giants are rolling.
00:08:51
It gives him confidence.
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Daniel Jones feels good.
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It was a huge play for me that I don't think it's mentioned enough and and to your point, there are other players were gonna point out in a second that did not have good games.
00:09:04
But because Evan Ingram's expectations are so high for how athletic and great he can be in the passing game, it is so disappointing to see him get to catches for eight yards.
00:09:14
That cannot happen, because if he's not making those athletic plays, we need to have Caden Smith in there.
00:09:19
We need to have Titolo in there because he's not a good run blocker.
00:09:23
So if he's not making big time plays down the field and he's not blocking anyone, he's not helping the New York football Giants.
00:09:29
You go back to Dallas right under under Jason Garrett.
00:09:32
What was the beauty of their tight end? It's just it may have heard of him, right? Jason Witten? The whole point was, this guy is not the most athletic dude in the world.
00:09:39
But you know what he did effectively contributed in the block.
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And I don't mean effectively high level effectiveness in the plot in the past and run blocking game and then could go out and make consistent catches and move the chains on third dance.
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That's what you need first from a tight end.
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If you get the athletic bonus.
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If you don't even go out there and look at a guy like Greg Kittles for the 40 Niners.
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Talk about Travis Kelsey.
00:10:00
I know that all the highlights are about their catches.
00:10:03
Guess what? Those guys are also effective running pass blockers like they are also a plus in those categories.
00:10:09
So those are huge factors, too.
00:10:11
When you think about all the great things that a tight end does, it still has to come with this baseline of if you're going to be on the field.
00:10:17
If you're taking reps from a troop, your blocking tight end, then you have to do those things close to efficient.
00:10:23
You don't have to be great in them, but you have to be better than what Evan Ingram has been.
00:10:28
And that's that.
00:10:29
That's that's a consistency.
00:10:30
And to me, maybe this is probably the thing I hate about in the most, and I we'll move off this because I don't want I didn't wanna belabor this, and there will be big games for for him over the course the season.
00:10:40
I'll be happy about that.
00:10:42
The biggest problem for me is you haven't shown improvement in those areas you've been in this league too long, even with injuries, to not have shown improvement in these areas, and that means that that that, to me, is you're just not making that effort.
00:10:55
You're not making the effort in practice to improve in these areas of your game, and that's the indictment really on him.
00:11:01
You know what? No one was more disappointed than me in our player projections.
00:11:06
I highlighted evident Graham, as expected, to have a big game touchdown, a bunch of yards, and what's crazy is the place where they're like you got targeted, you know, 789 times.
00:11:16
It just seemed like he was on a different page than everybody else.
00:11:19
And they'll be big games for him down the road and against worst defense is, but yes, agreed It was a bad game.
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I'm not going to go overreact and say that this is a microcosm of his season.
00:11:31
What I'm going to say.
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It was a disappointing game by itself.
00:11:34
I expect him to come out against Chicago and play better.
00:11:38
When we talk about disappointing players, we talk about one, that man.
00:11:41
I don't even know where we go from here with Camp Fleming, you know we way.
00:11:48
We came into this season saying, All right, we have this new offensive line, you know, We talked about it before the podcast.
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We moved Nick Gates over to center to try to get a little bit more athleticism there, and we wanted to get him in the starting role.
00:12:00
They bring camp.
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Fleming, in from Dallas, has familiarity with Colombo, and Jason Garrett has played swing tackle for quite a bit.
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Uh, if we're talking no over reaction Tuesday morning here.
00:12:14
But Adam, this is like a wave, that red flag as high as you can because we may give him another half of football against the Bears to see if he can correct it.
00:12:26
If this is still occurring, he cannot be on the field well.
00:12:29
And here's the problem, right? You go back to the offseason, say, making that switch, we will be debated this a long time.
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There was a lot of options and possibilities in free agency and how you wanted to approach this.
00:12:40
You know, I was a big proponent of keeping Gates at the right tackle position and just saying, You have them there.
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He's shown you enough.
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You know, you have that now start to fix other pieces.
00:12:49
I was excited when they moved them to center, but now you plug in Fleming, a guy that's been essentially a career backup.
00:12:55
He is now a starting tackle, improving that he may may not be able to be a starting tackle, and the real issue is the Giants get hurt in the draft, and they like him and regarded as a great selection for the Giants.
00:13:08
But everyone says This is a guy you want to give a year to really get his feet underneath them, learn the system, improve some areas.
00:13:14
Now you're talking about the potential of what do you want to do here, go to the market and try to find another player to bring in there or thrust a young player.
00:13:22
You know, a little bit of that baptism by fire, and I don't I don't know who's out there right now, but you, like you said, you're about a bad half away against Chicago from saying this is a problem.
00:13:34
You know, we wanted to have a least a level of consistency there and again, very tough defense against the Steelers.
00:13:40
But I I think You know, a lot of times you look at any of these games, something to talk about Daniel Jones, right? Like you could take more positives out of this game than negatives, even against a tough defense.
00:13:50
And that's what you're looking for, even in losses, just to say Yeah, but they played well, played consistent.
00:13:54
There's a lot of guys that did that funding.
00:13:56
Unfortunately, it just looked like you don't have.
00:13:59
You don't have the level to get Thio.
00:14:00
You don't have the gear to get to here.
00:14:02
This is what you are.
00:14:03
And it's not gonna be good enough at right tackle.
00:14:05
Yeah, and you mentioned it.
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But it does.
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It does need to be stressed.
00:14:09
The Pittsburgh Steelers might be the best defense that the Giants face all year.
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Their ability to rush the passer with guys like Dupri and Watt and have a wrecking ball in in Hayward in the middle.
00:14:24
They they are, you know, probably the best defense we're gonna face.
00:14:28
So you know, let's put a baseline there and say that was a very difficult matchup and it's why, why I highlighted it being such a terrible matchup, probably the worst matchup for the Giants.
00:14:38
Week one is a team that, uh, Rush is the quarterback and makes teams turn the ball over when the two issues the Giants have had is Daniel Jones fumbling the ball and the offensive line Getting pressure, you know, pressured consistently.
00:14:54
Once we talked about, I think, 25 interceptions last year for for the Pittsburgh Steelers combined, I think 18 fumbles.
00:15:02
You know, they're plus eight in that margin.
00:15:04
That number gets brought down significantly by not having Roethlisberger there.
00:15:07
You have a lot more turnovers from the quarterback position as well.
00:15:09
So yeah, forcing turnovers.
00:15:11
A real problem for the Giants coming into week.
00:15:14
One new system, new, everything else.
00:15:16
So there is that reality there.
00:15:19
And yet, yes, I agree with it.
00:15:24
Maybe we look at someone like Jackson Barton, who we picked up, you know, off of waivers.
00:15:28
He's kind of a backup tackle on the left side.
00:15:30
Maybe we see how he looks on the right hand side again.
00:15:33
This is overreaction Tuesday.
00:15:35
We're going a little crazy.
00:15:36
But honestly, if if the first half of the Chicago game looks anything like this, well, I mean we gotta protect Daniel Jones we gotta protect sick on Barkley like we can't.
00:15:44
We can't have him getting getting crushed on the right hand side.
00:15:47
And more than anything, my take away is that Now, Now I get now I get hyper focused on Fleming right now.
00:15:52
Now, first half next week becomes really important.
00:15:54
Now that, you know, you start to really look at him and just say okay, really bad matchup Week one first lot.
00:16:00
You know, first game action for this new offensive line.
00:16:03
Communication, etcetera.
00:16:04
So, you know, But you're gonna be hyper focused on him now and then.
00:16:07
Likewise, You know, I will say we mentioned him about I would have preferred about that.
00:16:11
Right tackle Nick Gates.
00:16:12
By all accounts, you know, the middle of this offensive line.
00:16:15
Had it struggles, There were a number of plays here.
00:16:18
We'll hold off for one second.
00:16:20
Is there anybody else that was egregious to you in terms off the negatives he took away from here? No, I think those are the two big glaring ones Where if you watch that game over again, you probably look at the film and you feel the exact same way because the place we're just there consistently for both of them.
00:16:35
It wasn't like, Oh, is one bad play for Ingraham or Oh, it was just this one whiffed, blocked by camp.
00:16:41
I mean, it was systemic, consistent, and you know we can.
00:16:44
We can kind of put a pause on the on the bad Adam.
00:16:47
And I think, let's let's get some optimism heading into Chicago and talk about maybe one or two places that we thought the Giants did perform well, I think we should stick on the offensive line and swing over to the left hand side and look at our number one draft pick. Andrew Thomas.
00:17:06
Yeah, for for For me, as bad as the offensive line looked especially in run protection as we know a disastrous night for sake, want Barkley? You know, January Jones had more yards than him.
00:17:19
I think that the Pittsburgh Steelers had more yards on one play than, say, Kwan Barkley ac***ulated in this game.
00:17:24
That that was really weird to me, to see that to see in the run game specifically because you thought Hernandez and Zettler and you're gonna start to build off of it.
00:17:31
But Thomas was, as about as ready as a rookie left tackle.
00:17:39
Could be.
00:17:40
I mean, I think that he held his own against TJ Watt and against these incredible defensive players for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
00:17:47
I think that he looked oddly enough.
00:17:49
He looked a little bit shaky and run because everybody looked a little bit shaky.
00:17:53
But he looks surprisingly strong.
00:17:56
Or at least baseline good in pass protection so that you wanna talk positive.
00:18:01
I come out of this game saying, Uh, this is a guy that could at least be getting those nods, you know, for getting those discussions about a player, that is, I'm saying, you know, rookie of the year kind of things where you go, you know, big rookie surprises, especially on offensive line.
00:18:16
He's gonna be there.
00:18:17
I think that my week three or four, you're gonna be talking about seeing some pretty consistent play, still going to get those hiccups as every young player does.
00:18:24
But I loved what I saw from him.
00:18:27
I mean, we watched, you know during during the combine and when we were doing all of our predraft work, we looked at Andrew Thomas and we said this is a starting caliber guy that could come in.
00:18:39
He's polished, he said.
00:18:40
Multiple years in the SEC, you know, blocking, blocking the left hand side.
00:18:44
He is as ready made as possible.
00:18:46
We needed to see validation that that would transfer over into the pros.
00:18:50
And as much as we take it with a grain of salt with complaining that it was a very, very tough defense, you got a heap.
00:18:58
Some praise on Andrew Thomas for doing as well as he did in that regard against such a tough defense.
00:19:03
It made me think like we have found the answer on the left hand side and again overreaction Tuesday.
00:19:10
But to me, you know, this is one where I feel really good because everything that we thought was gonna happen was validated.
00:19:17
And to me, that feels like it's got a better chance of happening continually for the New York Giants.
00:19:21
Yeah, they'll be bad place for Thomas, as we know, but this is a great first showing for him and and like you say, especially with high high draft picks, not just in the first, but 2nd and 3rd.
00:19:30
Even what you want is just validation that it was the right call and I think, especially with this type of challenge, given the revamp of the offensive line playing Pittsburgh really positive returns for him.
00:19:41
I'll flip it over and we can jump around.
00:19:43
But on the on the defensive side of the ball, I really liked what I saw from Blake Martinez.
00:19:49
Listen, you know, you know he's a tackling machine.
00:19:51
That's the positive right.
00:19:53
The negative was, Yeah, he's just ac***ulated because he sits back.
00:19:56
I thought that he showed up great and run support, closed in on on ball carriers and on receivers to give secondary efforts to supplement a cornerback's tackle.
00:20:05
I really thought that he looked incredibly crisp.
00:20:08
I thought that he was instinctual and he looked quicker than I maybe would have would have anticipated.
00:20:13
Based on what the perception of what he's gonna be for for this defense.
00:20:16
And, you know, I I took a ton of positives for his game as well.
00:20:20
Every time a player was getting tackled for the Steelers, I was like, Who is that? And then I looked up on, like all that was Blake Martinez, like you can kind of see the mannerisms of a lot of Giants in terms of how they tackle or like how they get up like this is new because Black Marty, we haven't seen any preseason.
00:20:35
But he's all over feeling like, Who is that? And then all of a sudden, of course, it ends up being Blake Martinez.
00:20:40
I think you're right.
00:20:41
You know, he had 12 tackles, he was everywhere.
00:20:44
And it is refreshing to see that that he was all over the field, you know, sticking on the defensive side of the ball.
00:20:51
I do think that Leonard Williams looked great and again if you want, if you want Saks if the only thing you care about a sacks he got you one.
00:21:01
And there you go.
00:21:02
You're happy if you care more about all of the other advanced metrics he had.
00:21:07
Mork, you be rushes.
00:21:08
He had Mork you be hits.
00:21:09
He was getting in the backfield.
00:21:11
He made tackles.
00:21:12
He, you know, forget about the number of how much money he is making.
00:21:16
And just ask yourself if he is contributing to the success of the defense.
00:21:22
And my answer is a resounding yes, Yes.
00:21:25
Listen, I'll be very curious to see how a lot of people react to this, you could go one of two ways with it, right? You could be a real pessimist about it and say always finally doing what he was supposed to be doing right and getting some of these pressures.
00:21:36
It's the exact same thing that he was doing last year for us.
00:21:38
Yeah, he was getting close, getting pressures.
00:21:40
Sometimes the net result of the play was better or worse than what you might want.
00:21:45
Or you're gonna be on the flip side of it and say he's still got to get home on those sack opportunities, right? Like I love what I saw from him.
00:21:51
I again, and this goes down the line about saying, I thought Dexter Lawrence had a really strong game as well.
00:21:57
There on the line, he gets the sack.
00:21:58
He had a fantastic play at one point where he was going down in towards the line and then stepped immediately back and ended up getting in on a short run Stop.
00:22:08
I'm sorry.
00:22:09
It's short, short reception stop out of a dump from Roethlisberger.
00:22:11
So great instincts from him a little bit slimmer, a little more muscular, but you're 100% right? Leonard Williams showed up really well in this game.
00:22:18
I thought the defensive front of the whole showed up pretty consistently in this one, too.
00:22:23
Are you surprised? Because again, great positives there.
00:22:27
And I'll look to just Seymour of it.
00:22:28
Were you surprised that, you know, factual was popping up a lot there in this based on what we saw, I mean, I can also, by the way, I could double down here and say I loved what I saw from one Lorenzo Carter.
00:22:42
I I think that that that that knew that next step for him is very clear and apparent.
00:22:47
I think that he's going more instinctual.
00:22:49
I think that Patrick Graham immediately came in and identified where you want to use him and is having him do what he is most effective at.
00:22:55
And I thought that he had a really strong game, especially in run support.
00:22:58
You know, the run defense was great.
00:23:00
He got pressure, got into the backfield against Roethlisberger a couple of times there as well, so I took a lot of positives from his game overall in this one too.
00:23:09
Were there anything that surprised you just in terms of personnel that you saw out there on the defensive side of the ball a little bit.
00:23:15
Um, you know, I thought we were going to see a bit mawr of Devante Downs.
00:23:20
You know, he was He was touted all all preseason as the guy and then didn't end up having a tackle.
00:23:26
You know, of course, he ended up having the fumble on special fumble recovery on special teams found a way to contribute, but everyone was saying they let Ryan Connolly go because Devante down said, look so great.
00:23:37
And then he doesn't even register a tackle in the game.
00:23:39
To me, that was surprising.
00:23:41
But overall, I liked what I saw from the linebacker corps.
00:23:43
You talked about Lorenzo Carter.
00:23:44
You talked about Blake Martinez.
00:23:46
They looked very good to me.
00:23:48
And our defensive line, which is supposed to be our strongest unit, really delivered now.
00:23:53
I don't wanna We're staying on the positive end of things, but oh, it's worth noting that in this game, when you go over back into the numbers and you take a look at a player like Marcus Golden and you take a look at a player like ocean examine is, you know, examiners recorded one Q B hit.
00:24:09
That's his stat line for the game, and they talk about Markus Golden with three solo tackles.
00:24:13
That's his stat line for the game.
00:24:15
Something just to keep an eye on there.
00:24:16
You know, we talked about wanting Carter to take that next step.
00:24:19
He's clearly doing it.
00:24:20
We're thinking about X Man, and I just This is in the back of my mind about we always say, Well, why was Marcus Golden Golden just out there, right? Looking for a particular contract, Wanted a certain thing, going to be watching to see how they progress for very different reasons because they do need to be impact players for us.
00:24:36
But that's that's That's a footnote toe watch as we move forward.
00:24:39
Yeah, I think there's a couple of other different bright spots that we can we can say, you know, all the player flashed out.
00:24:44
This player showed.
00:24:45
The only other player I'm gonna go to is is Darius Leighton.
00:24:49
I think we mentioned it earlier.
00:24:50
I think it's worth noting, you know, six catches for over 102 touchdowns.
00:24:54
He looked tall, He looked athletic, He looked explosive.
00:24:57
He was getting Open, He made himself a big target for Daniel Jones.
00:25:02
This is just reaffirming everything that we saw last year.
00:25:05
I don't think I saw anything that I would say, Oh, he's now change something in his game.
00:25:09
I think he's exactly the guy that we, you know, saw him to be last year, and now he's really proving that.
00:25:14
He's, you know, looking around saying, I can be a number one guy here for sure.
00:25:18
You know, you said six for 10 to even take away the 41 yard touchdown.
00:25:22
You're still sitting there five for 60 plus yards, you know, really consistent.
00:25:25
And he clearly has the dynamic kind of burst where you're able to look for him down the field with some consistency targeted nine times as was, say, Kwan Barkley out of the backfield, who went six for 60.
00:25:35
Now that that could be in conjunction with what? You didn't get out of the run game, but we talked about this coming into it as well, that getting him out in space and finding a way to get him the football and let him be dynamic.
00:25:46
Now you gotta way.
00:25:49
No, we need to fix here going forward.
00:25:51
But the fact that you can that you can go ahead and get him out in space and be picking up 10 yards at a clip is also something nice.
00:25:58
You could take a positive out of there, but to your point, we said it earlier.
00:26:01
You highlighted it to me.
00:26:03
We can really feel like we got 1/5 round steel who is now our number one wide receiver and, by the way, supplemented with has a clear connection with Daniel Jones.
00:26:13
Like, that was what we thought last year when he came in, it just seemed like they had a good report.
00:26:17
Both young players, both rookies.
00:26:19
And this is kind of how you want a pair something with the offensive line.
00:26:23
Get a quality center there in front of Jones, right? You want these guys to be growing and learning together, and that that that really projects nicely for a player like Slaten as he continues to develop that relationship with our quarterback.
00:26:34
Yeah, agree that I'm excited about that.
00:26:36
You know, it's gonna look even better when we have someone like Tate on the other side.
00:26:41
Who is someone that that that opposing defense is gonna have to watch.
00:26:45
You know, if if Slaten continues this this dominance that he's having, you know he's going to start commanding double teams and really, you open up the field for other people to make big plays, and that's where we can see a guy like Sterling Shepard come in.
00:26:57
You know, he he was, ah, reliable kind of slot guy.
00:27:00
You know, I think he had six catches, is well, he was.
00:27:03
He was in the flow of the offense.
00:27:05
He's another guy that I would kind of say he had a B B plus game, like he did everything that you asked him to, but didn't really make any big time plays or make you know that that huge third or fourth down play eso There's a bunch of different players that we could highlight that had flashes.
00:27:19
But I think overall we look at you know, Fleming in Ingram as a to that we have major concerns about and, you know, you look at the positives were all around in terms of Thomas in terms of like Martinez in terms of letter Williams and a lot just overall on the defense that we thought we were excited about.
00:27:36
Yeah, and that's again why, you know, you come out of it and you can look at those turnovers and, you know, you could look at the games in 26 16.
00:27:42
You weren't really ended at the back end of the fourth quarter, but again, I have far more positives here to take away the negatives regard regarding this team.
00:27:51
Especially when you talk about the matchup that you're facing there and in week one weird preseason, everything that goes into it, I I come out feeling a lot stronger than I did going into it, necessarily.
00:28:03
There could have been a lot more things that I say, Boy, we've got issues here and there again.
00:28:08
We'll focus on the offensive line and we two and see how that develops.
00:28:11
Well, the big picture here is we wrap this one up.
00:28:13
Obviously, listen, you know, 21st downs to 19 in favor of the Giants.
00:28:18
You're talking about a team that on Lee surrendered 208 passing yards to the Pittsburgh Steelers in that offense.
00:28:24
Now they gave up 141 in the run game.
00:28:26
But the fact that you're sitting there, You know that there's some value there figuring out later in the game when they can start to dictate tempo a little bit.
00:28:34
And you really saw Snell for them.
00:28:36
Come in after Connor tweaked his ankle and have an incredibly effective performance.
00:28:39
So he may be a guy toe.
00:28:41
Keep an eye on from a fantasy perspective, if you wanna have a tidbit out there.
00:28:44
But, you know, you did a pretty good job.
00:28:46
Only four penalties in the game for 25 yards.
00:28:49
Um, you know, three sacks.
00:28:51
You like that? Even with all of that pressure, whether it was Daniel Jones being effective and moving on or just trying to be dynamic, get quick passes on.
00:28:59
Lee surrendered two sacks as well.
00:29:00
So the silver lining here is against a really stiff opponent.
00:29:05
You found a way to play a really tight, consistent game and having given up a long drive to Pittsburgh along the way, you had a big driver yourself.
00:29:13
Time of possession, 31 28.
00:29:15
We asked that question out there on Twitter about where you thought the Giants would be in terms of controlling the ball.
00:29:21
Very nobody put him near 30.
00:29:23
But you know, even that north of 20 to 20 to 30 was a hard area to kind of hang your hat on.
00:29:28
So that's nice to the fact that you could have consistency, have some sustained drives.
00:29:32
It just listen, you trick yourself into wanting.
00:29:37
Ah, w right.
00:29:39
What I will say is, and we won't get it.
00:29:41
We'll get into it at the end of the week.
00:29:44
This upcoming match up.
00:29:45
Now, you gotta you do get you into an immediate must win territory for the Giants because of how the schedule shakes out.
00:29:51
You want to stay positive and build off of it.
00:29:53
You've got to be able to turn those into successes as we started.
00:29:57
It doesn't hurt any less, right? We kind of really It really doesn't.
00:30:02
And we kind of knew that, you know, we were underdogs were six point underdogs.
00:30:06
We both predicted that the Steelers were gonna win.
00:30:09
Yet during the middle of the game.
00:30:10
I'm like, man, I hope I'm wrong.
00:30:11
And it certainly doesn't hurt any any less knowing that.
00:30:15
And, you know, I think the easiest way to wrap this up in and one final bright spot is the Dallas Cowboys lost, the Philadelphia Eagles lost, and the Washington football team is the Onley team ahead of the New York Giants in the NFC East.
00:30:29
So when you talk about losing ground to some of your division opponents, it's not all doom and gloom.
00:30:33
Yet we still have an opportunity to come back.
00:30:35
But to your point, I think it's easy.
00:30:38
Easy enough to say at this point, we're on to Chicago.
00:30:41
Uh huh.
00:30:43
Last footnote, because we didn't touch on this at all, and I think it's really important.
00:30:49
Joe Johns seemed fine.
00:30:52
You know, Joe, Joe, there weren't any of these really ish glaring issues out there.
00:30:56
Now you're relying heavily on Jason Garrett and I'm Patrick Graham.
00:31:00
But this is a great This is a great way to have a little chuckle here.
00:31:04
He didn't have a problem like Denver did, keeping three timeouts in their pocket with, you know, 2.
00:31:09
5 minutes to go and letting the Tennessee Titans bleed them dry and then kick a field goal to win the game.
00:31:15
There weren't any of those blunders out there, and I think that that's a nice thing to remind everybody to.
00:31:19
Or maybe how Dallas, you know, kind of inexcusable play calling and then not tying up the game and then not calling time out and then keeping a time out like, Yeah, there was none of that from Joe Judge.
00:31:31
You didn't feel like like he wasn't doing the right things.
00:31:33
I will say there was an opportunity to potentially challenge, You know, that that early ball gates, you know, just just, you know, one of those sad the things he could done.
00:31:42
But overall, it seemed like he had commanded the team.
00:31:45
And, you know, like you said, No concerns there.
00:31:48
Like what I saw, You know, if anything, this week, one made me more optimistic about Chicago than I was before the game.
00:31:56
Yes, 100%.
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We are lining up a special guest that will give us some insights to the Chicago Bears team that will be facing next weekend, and in the meantime, we'll come back in and talk about any injury updates.
00:32:15
Some of the inactives from this game that maybe we'll see get rotated up into the starting rotation for the New York football giants.
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