Good morning, everybody.
FBC RADIO Live It is Tuesday, September 15th.
Week one is officially in the books The traditional doubleheader to kick off Monday Night Football was played last night and it concluded week one.
So, um, it's it's exciting.
One week down, we got 16 more to go before we hit the playoffs, and, uh, it's it's gonna be a lot of fun.
So without further ado, I'm gonna bring in Mr Owen, one in the full press radio Fantasy league. Mr.
Mike Debate Mike.
How are we doing today? No, no, no.
See, I'm laying in the weeds, ready to plan my attack.
I might be down on one right now, but I'm not.
Over the century, I will return.
I will be back like the goat himself.
I will rise from the ashes to build an empire here on the f p C fantasy league. Okay.
I'm not I'm not even buying that myself.
Well, I tried to be prolific.
I tried thio to be, you know, over the top.
And it just did not Too bad.
Fantasy prowess is not definitely not my strongest trip.
But you know what? It's all in good fun.
Too bad you weren't like me Who was dare I say Perfect.
You know, just take it in for a minute.
Ah, beautiful e m going to play that every week that I remain undefeated.
Want to know? This week I plan on winning next week against our good friend, Mr Chris Blackie.
So get ready for the pain, my friend, if you're listening If not, I will surely, uh, chirp you on Twitter.
Um, no, I've been way e said you want to set you up for that one? Uh, no, I I've been waiting.
I've been waiting all weekend to play that if I If I was gonna win, and I'm glad you lost, so I didn't have to share that.
I do got one for you, though.
I I got one for your, uh, for your fantasy weekend E.
See, I think that's disrespected.
Well, I think if you look like a while, these examples it really happened.
I'm thinking I'm thinking this is like, this is like royal rumble bushwhackers.
You know this? Yes.
All right. I got you.
Eso? Yeah, Unfortunately, you did not get the mister perfect song.
You actually got the bushwacker.
So if you continue to go over too well, can you play that for you? So, uh, no, it was fun.
It's all in good fun.
But, you know, again, we try Thio, uh, use it to help stoke up the camaraderie here on the full press radio network.
And, uh, you know what was really interesting, though? I saw Ross and, uh, Chris and my my week to opponent came down to about Let me check here.
It was, like, less than a full point.
I mean, we're talking about, you know, 10th of a point victory for Oh, God, I looked at it this morning, but, you know, my apparently my memory is quite terrible at the moment.
Let's see, uh, up, up, up, up, up.
Okay, there we go, Chris.
One by a whopping 10.
26 fantasy points.
So, yeah, that was It's fun.
Like I said, I mean, there's a lot of bragging rights on the line when it comes to this league.
Yeah, there are.
There are a lot of bragging rights for those of us that are doing pretty good.
Especially, uh, man killer.
I mean, he's right up there right now.
You're you're you're right up there.
You're lucky you're lucky that I did not end up with the top score the week because my my gloating in my my ego, everything.
But it would just be insufferable, more so than what it is now.
So consider yourselves lucky, folks.
And yeah, the stock would mercenaries? Yeah, they are not doing well, folks, if you had any stark any stock in Stark would say that about five times fast stocking starkwood stock and start talking with E O.
But in any case, yeah, I'm looking looking more like Jon Voight's alter ego there right before I got blown up in the truck, which might end up being my fate in this league.
Yeah, you know what? I'm here for it.
I'm here for all of the all of the vitriol that will be thrown my way because I'll get my revenge in somehow.
I'll promise that. Okay, Good.
All right. The revenge is coming, folks.
Look, it's fun. It's week one.
We're gonna have a lot of fun with it throughout the season, so definitely stay tuned.
Maybe we'll start posting the standings.
We'll put it up on the screen tomorrow.
I don't have it readily available in front of me.
But today's Tuesday, which means John Sa***e, it is going to join us a little bit later.
We're gonna talk, obviously, some NFL and some MBA because we've got the Eastern Conference final kicking off tonight.
The Celtics, Celtics, Celtics air there, the Celtics and the Miami Heat, So that should be fun.
We'll ask him about that.
We'll talk about his new podcast.
Another episode released yesterday.
So we'll talk that, um, the Dallas Stars.
They're going to the Stanley Cup Final.
They won in overtime last night, five and O in the overtime, Uh, in overtime games this playoff season, which is which is pretty incredible.
And, yeah, how about those Dallas stars? I mean, we there's some familiar faces there.
I already mentioned Khudobin.
So, um, it was good.
It was good. It was It was a fun.
Um it was a fun Siri's.
Andi, I'm not too far away from being wrong about both Final conference final Siris in the NHL, but, hey, that doesn't matter.
Because I've been wrong a lot this postseason, so I'm kind of used to it.
Yeah, without question.
I mean, you know, credit Dallas.
I mean, you know, look, but look at the season they've been able to put together, um, you know, it just goes to show you in a lot of ways, the layoff that they, you know, that we had during cove it and whatnot brought some teams to prominence.
It seemed thio to sharpen the skills of some others, like our beloved Boston Bruins.
Just, you know, it didn't seem like they came out of the break with the same type of fire, the same type of energy.
Um, but, you know, credit credit, Dallas.
I mean, Sagan is, uh, going to get another shot at another cup, and we'll see what what happens there, but yeah, definitely a surprise for me.
But all in all, I think a great, uh, great.
You know, great job for them.
Should be should be interesting to watch.
Well, I mean, at this point, um, a tous point.
I'm just gonna I'm probably gonna end up whoever comes out of these I'm just gonna end up picking Dallas because it seems like there's no sense in picking against Dallas.
And I can't bring myself to pick Tampa Bay, who who looked to close it out tonight if they're up three games to one.
So I gotta assume, assume And maybe this is a little reverse psychology.
Maybe I'm gonna jinx, um, here, but I'm going to assume that camp is going to close it out, whether it's tonight or or in Game six or whatever there, they'll end up advancing, and it's gonna be Tampa and Dallas.
So which will be fun again, Obviously has the potential to to score bunched, as does today.
And right now they clearly have the best two goaltenders in in the in the playoffs.
And And look, I, I had I don't want to say doubts about Andrei Vasilevskiy.
I think I underestimated his work horse ability because, you know, coming into this or at this point in the postseason, he's the only goalie that has played every minute of every game for his team, and clearly he's been a huge part of how they've gotten to where they are.
So, you know, tip of the cap to him.
Obviously, Anton Khudobin didn't come in as a starter.
He came in through an opportunity, and he's obviously seized that opportunity and been a huge, huge reason why this Dallas team is in the final now.
So it's gonna be exciting.
I think you're going to get to really high powered offense is but to really good goaltenders, too.
So we might see a lot of Ah lot of action in this final if, like I said through the the final does end up being Tampa versa.
Dallas So that that should be fun.
I'm excited for that with, without question, and I am glad to see who dove and get his.
His just to, you know, did a fairly serviceable job and a very good job here in Boston, at times backing up to a risk.
And it's good to see him get that spotlight gonna put you on the spot here.
But isles have what it takes to extend this.
Siri's maybe even continue to make this a Siri's auras.
Tampa Closing this.
I think Tampa's too good.
I mean, they've been playing too well.
Like I said, Andrei Vasilevskiy has been really good I like what the Islanders are doing.
I think I I just think 31 I just can't Excuse me.
I just don't see the Islanders winning three straight games against the Lightning.
I don't I don't see any team winning three straight games against the Lightning.
So, um yeah, so I would have to say no.
They might put up a nice little fight, but at the end of day, Tampa's gonna end up winning this one.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I think Tampa is just too good to deep.
It's so many levels.
Um, they're they're playing at a pretty good clip right now.
And, you know, the aisles had a tremendous season, no question about it.
They got a lot to build on, but yeah, I think I think the lightning are destined to what? To join the Dallas Stars.
And you know, we'll see.
I agree with you.
If that ends up being Stanley Cup final, I'm going with Dallas on this one.
I just can't bring myself Thio Select Tampa Bay Hockey.
Yeah, um, hockey, rather, uh, you know, it's funny.
We're not going to spend too much time on it, because we do want to touch on the or at least right now we want to touch on Monday Night Football real quick before we were end up going to a break.
And then we'll bring in John and we'll talk some more football and all that stuff.
But I do find it interesting.
There were a lot of people are, are are are good pal Max Kellerman being one of them who very quickly have have jumped all over the quote unquote bad game from Tom Brady and I.
It's funny now, as people were starting to watch film and re watch these games and watch for the more ****ytical I you know, the ones that actually put in the work.
You know, the folks out there, the journalists, the ****ysts out there that actually put in the work they're saying, Well, you know what? He actually wasn't that bad, you know, as bad as people are talking, um, on and in fact E.
And I thought this during the game, Drew Brees was worse.
I mean, yeah, maybe Drew Brees came out on end and he didn't throw two picks, but Drew Brees was was not good and There's a lot of things.
If I'm if I'm a Saints fan, I'd be very concerned about the long term, um, prospects of Drew Brees under center just because again, there's some alarming things that showed up, you know, at times last year and obviously in 2018 that would that were very evident.
Uh, Tom, I think, was credited for throwing the fifth or six most passes beyond, uh, 20 yards and you know, you go back.
And I think I mentioned this yesterday, or at least it was floating around in my head and I meant to mention it.
But those pass the defensive pass interference calls against the Saints, you go back and you watch those froze and they were just on the money.
I mean, those penalties had to be committed or those passes short of the receiver dropping them would have been completed for very big games.
All of a sudden, you're looking at a stat line that's well over 300 yards passing.
And maybe you know, one fewer interception.
Who knows? I mean, we're not going to sit here and play what ifs, but, uh, to kind of put in perspective what these people are seeing when they watch this replay and say, Hey, you know what? Tom is actually really good.
There were mistakes. Sure, absolutely.
And we talked about him yesterday.
The you know, he got fooled on the pick six.
There's no doubt about it, you know that that was just a bad read on his part.
But, you know, considering the cir***stances considering Thea outcome of the game and considering, you know, the quick jump to chomping at the bit to do for months, I mean, let's let's not kid ourselves.
I mean, Max Kellerman has had this written for months now.
I mean, he was just waiting at any opportunity.
Um, but yeah, he was really good.
And here's the thing.
I like that Max is doing this because it's gonna make all it's gonna make shoving it back in his face all that much more sweeter because, well, you know, again, he just couldn't help himself without question.
I mean, you knew the narrative was gonna be there.
And I'm so glad that you brought up the point about pass interference and what that can do to a quarterback's passer rating what it can do to with statistics and the perceived notion of how he performed during the game.
You get an opportunity to go back and take a look and their opportunities now that I'm getting an opportunity to see in the Patriots game, where a lot of you know immediate praise was heaped upon Cam Newton look cameras razor sharp in this game for the first game of the season, but there were a lot of instances in which he looked a little bit hesitant.
Sometimes you're seeing open, you know, looks that were ignored.
He's extending plays with his legs, which is great.
He was able to do it on Sunday without any question.
But if teams start to stack the box, defend against the run Force Cam into the pocket and make him beat you with his arm, how is he going to react these air things that we don't know yet, so overreaction is very, very common when it comes to week one.
I'm glad that you brought that up about Brady because the more footage I'm seeing and again I don't have access to Brady's all 22 or anything of that nature to be able to go in and look at exactly every throw, every nuance.
But from what I'm seeing and from what I'm reading from people that are covering the team in depth, that seems to be the common consensus that his performance wasn't necessarily as bad as people want to believe.
Um, but you look at those things, then you look at the comments made by Bruce Arians, and people are twisting those completely out of context.
I think those were a little more benign than people are saying.
They're saying, Oh, it's a scathing, You know, uh, you know, indictment on Tom Brady by his own head coach.
And he's terrible now, not folks read between the lines.
Don't listen to the talking heads don't listen to, you know, people like Max and stuff that live for moments like this, that all they want to do is tear down because all they care about is watching the ratings go up or getting the clicks or getting the attention.
It's not about that.
It's about what you see on the field.
Use that as your barometer, and I guarantee you fans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they're not going to be as dissatisfied with Tom as everyone else around you is telling you you have to be.
There's a good common sense.
There's a good number, though, that have looked and said the same thing like, you know, the biggest impression, you know, from from the new fan base.
The new Brady fan base, obviously, in Tampa is where did this idea that he doesn't have an arm come from? Because, like I said, they're they're they're watching the same things. I'm watching.
And yes, you know, obviously the, you know, the passes fell incomplete because of, you know, penalties or whatever.
And when you look at it like, oh, well, they benefited from penalties, but no, he was pushing the ball down the field with relative ease, and I go back.
That one play where he kind of threw off, falling back.
It was like a fadeaway jump shot that he somehow on one leg, barely one leg.
Baron Rogers special, Um, barely on one leg, falling backwards.
Yeah, but won't bone.
No, actually, no, Kyle, no. There was no shy.
I was I was incredibly impressive. Rogers.
Um and I appreciate Kyle's mutual.
I don't want maybe to staying is too harsh, but disdain for Drew Brees and his over the top coronation of source.
But there was a throw in particular in that game where Brady was pushed backwards.
He threw falling backwards.
Like I said, it was a fade away shot that went nearly 20 yards in the air.
And you don't do that.
You don't do that when you have no arm strength.
And I think people, especially in Tampa Bay, and you're seeing the same thing from, you know, different people all over.
Okay, where? You know.
So what's this idea that he doesn't have arm strength? Because from what I see, he looks fine.
But when I look at the Saints quarterback when I looked at Drew Brees, that's someone who I'm like.
Wow, Okay, that's someone who just lacks the ability to throw deep anymore.
And it shows, considering he attempted or completed two passes beyond 10 yards.
And a lot of them in that like middle, you know, shorter distance.
So, yeah, I don't know, like I said it z funny how narratives work, and it's funny how that narrative doesn't exactly make that lines, either.
So you know folks once again, it really is.
Take a look at the you know, if you want an informed opinion.
If you want to drink the sand, drink the sand.
I mean, that's your right.
As a consumer, if you want to believe that Tom Brady has a noodle for an arm or that he's done, or that whatever stick a fork in and whatever colloquialism you want to use, then buy into that because if you nothing, anyone says nothing, Ian says is going to change your mind.
But if you want to go into this with an open mind, take a look at what happens on the field.
Look at all the cir***stances surrounding it.
Guarantee you'll get a clear picture.
But you know what? That's R.
P s a of the day for for sports fans and particularly NFL fans as well.
But, uh, we have one cup officially in the books now, buddy, actually, in the books we got through on Monday night games and we are officially week one in, and now our focus starts to turn too weak to Yeah, and we will tomorrow.
I didn't get a chance to, but you know, I don't want to brag too much, but we'll see what happens with our picks and who's leading.
After week one, we'll get those tallied up.
But we are gonna take a quick break right now, because when we come back, we're gonna have John's Chedi join us, and we're gonna chat with him.
We're gonna talk some MBA, some NFL, and, uh, yeah, it's gonna be a grand old time.
We'll be back in just a couple minutes.
All right? Welcome back.
Way got a little held up.
The countdown ended, and we kind of left you hanging there, but we got into a discussion off the air and kind of bled into, Um it bled into everything.
That way we try to come back on time, but we are here.
We got Mike back.
He's He's still here.
He's still trying to figure out what to do about this fantasy team for this week.
But we also have Mr John SAPA Chetty for our weekly sit with sap.
John, how we doing today? I'm doing okay.
You know, I would appreciate Go on a Tuesday morning after my man Aaron Rodgers.
Four touchdown passes that at least had a rejoinder of one of those passes.
Especially the first one to Davante Adams.
It's only two quarterbacks on the planet.
Make that throw.
Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes E come back.
Music, I think I think I think I didn't have the clip already.
Unfortunately, I was unprepared there, you know? But I think that was a little bit of a bait you threw out there for me.
And, uh, it kind of goes yes.
Okay, so it goes into the discussion that we had, and here I am.
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna visualize it for the folks out there on watching on SportsCastr here.
The plants that we had for the next 30 minutes crumpling it up, throwing them out because I have a feeling this is going Thio extend far beyond what we're going to talk about.
So this'll this'll is something technically, you've done in this morning because, you know, Rodgers had a great game on Sunday.
You don't want to talk about him because LeBron is playing in a Zen like moment on a team in the Western Conference finals.
Everybody's gonna rule for the Clippers is gonna face the seventh games.
And I couldn't avoid talking about LeBron James and Aaron Rodgers.
Bring up someone else's e think very highly of, And I'm kind of looking at him as being maybe being my favorite player once Aaron retires.
Well, you know, again, uh, we're obviously referencing Patrick Mahomes and I made a comment, and like I said, I was going to say I was gonna save this for a later date when I had a little bit more ammunition.
But I was making the point that Patrick Mahomes is one of the most incredibly overrated players in the league currently.
And and here's the thing.
I'm not saying he's bad.
I'm saying he's a really good quarterback.
But as I've said many times here before, I think his elevation to this, uh, no one, you know, no one could do it, but him status is just far too premature, because everything people say no one can do but him.
I've seen multiple people do multiple times, including, including your guy Aaron Rodgers.
Don't think I'm not going to give him a little bit credit here.
Um, so e mean, for example, and this was kind of what I was talking about off.
They're a little bit, um What? What's gonna happen when I and and this is what I anticipate? Lamar Jackson has a better season, then Patrick Mahomes This year, I think Lamar Jackson.
It's an incredible quarterback, and I'll let you answer that in just a second.
I'm just, uh Last year, Mark Jackson has struggled and Patrick Mahomes himself? No, that's exactly what everyone pays attention to, which is unfortunate, because again, I have to push back with Aaron Rodgers, who I think is the most gifted quarterback ever, but only has one Super Bowl.
I mean, it is a team sport, and Tom Brady saw that on Sunday, right? It's a sure when you're playing out there with the coaching staff that's not up pilot with the coaching staff that you've had for the last 20 years and doing stupid things like nine penalties and the coach decides toe, you know, only keep five offensive lineman not at a six offensive lineman that derail the same pass rush.
You got a 43 year old quarterback that's getting hit a lot.
Uh, you know that's something that Belichick would never do.
He would do everything to make Brady stand out.
It's almost as if Bruce Areas on Sunday said, Alright, guy, you're the greatest quarterback ever. Here's our system.
Learn it and let's let's just fly by the seat of our pants.
And meanwhile, you know, Cameron Jordan has been half the game in the backfield.
Camp a Buccaneer.
So you know, there's a lot that gets involved with that.
But I guess what you're saying now, before you conceive you want and two things be true, can you be the best quarterback in football and be overrated? Yeah, sure, sure.
I mean, what? But But at the same time, it's like and that's and that's the thing.
And Kyle in the chat room? Kyle Center.
Of course, he's always in there.
He's keeping us going in that chat.
Um, you know, he says, Obviously, my homes as the goat is an exaggeration, but But he also says, But it's tough toe overrate, the best player in the NFL, and and and I again right there.
I pause and I'm like, Why is he the best player in the NFL? I mean, you know.
Most important position, right? Sure, Some sort of just came out that Aaron Donald is the best player in football.
Maybe he's so much better than every other defensive linemen.
Uh, that that gives him that title.
Although I'm a huge Cam Jordan.
And not just from Sunday. They got that.
Yeah, most underrated players and all of the football.
Uh, and I think he may do as much, if not more, than Aaron.
Remember, Donald was no factor in the Super Bowl against the paper.
Most of the playoff games of human Rand play.
He doesn't seem to stand out, likely which I did when I was much younger and he was dominating or even like a Richard Seymour, who has, you know, kind of a great players.
Well, yeah, very similar.
Like maybe doesn't show up on the stat sheet is much, but has a huge impact all the time.
I think by definition, we always say the best point in football is whoever the best quarterback is.
And sure, this recently, Bias won the Super Bowl seven months ago, the year before that he put up one of the five or six greatest season ever by a quarterback.
I don't think there's any denying that he's also playing in a great system.
He's got a great offensive coordinator, a lot of weapons.
Uh, conversely, Toe what Brady face on Sunday.
Um, you know, they'll keep in an extra offensive lineman to protect for him, so he has time to throw.
They did that on Sunday, and that's why Roger looked like he was in us zone like he hadn't been in many years.
Was for Syrians again.
Um, you know, five offensive lineman would send, uh, four guys out of what we're doing.
We're not gonna protect the quarterback.
You know, this is my system learning.
So, yeah, there's there's a lot of factors that go in there without question and and the whole was fortunate, right? He went through a winning organization.
He got the city for the first year behind a total prone Alex, who was great to him.
He learned the system, and when he stepped in, he was stepping into a Super Bowl.
Pretending keeps him.
He somewhat like Dan Marino in 1983 was the late first round pick, not even a mid first round pick.
But he went to go with a great coaches on, True on a winning organization so he could He could step right in and be that guy was You know, Joe Burrow is, you know, two strikes against him already.
Bad organization, not a lot of talent.
You're gonna have to try to, you know, think of forming his own well, And in that and in a way I don't want to say, because I think that's kind of ah, kind of an arrogant thing to say.
And from my perspective, if I were to say, You just proved my point, that's not That's not what I'm trying to say, but I think you I hear you definitely well, I think because exactly because like and you think about it, I'm not saying Like I said, I keep going back to Lamar Jackson because I think it's a very relevant a counterpoint because, like, I'm not going to say he certainly came into a bad situation.
I mean, you know, you talk about some of the best organizations, the Ravens air, certainly up there, but I would I would certainly argue that he has less or has had less offensive talent and advantages around him than Mahomes.
And all things being being equal, he was considerably better than Mahomes last year and and, you know, injury aside.
I mean, he only missed two games.
Um, he was out there.
I'm not like I said, I'm not going to sit there and say, Oh, you know, he he has a mole again for the entire season because he got injured early on.
No, I mean, it's just he was out there. He was playing.
Um, yeah, I know Kyle makes a good point that the Ravens old line is better than the cheese.
But, you know, again we're well across the board.
Is is favorable towards the Chiefs.
So my point is, is how how are we even sure he's the best player in the NFL? Because, like, I understand, I understand your premise that, you know the best quarterback is generally considered the best player and and I agree with that for the most part, Um, but I'll go back to 2015 and say Okay, Cam Newton won the M v p.
They had an incredible season.
Did anyone think that he was either a the best quarterback in the league or be the best player in the league because I I don't think it's an automatic, you know, automatic title that's given to you just because you win in M v P.
I think it's a great accomplishment.
But like, you know, again, if we could just going based on that, then, well, you know Lamar Jackson with, you know again had a better season, I think, then Patrick Mahomes in 2018.
So again, how, unfortunately, unfortunately and you've got Tom Brady to blame for this and Patriots fans to blame for this.
It's about Super Bowls, and Lamar Jackson has not played well in the postseason.
Cam Newton went toe one Super Bowl did not play Well, um on and let me a quarter.
Not great against San Francisco, but he was great in the fourth quarter and and let me chime in real quick because it kind of it kind of came up, and Kyle brought it up in the chat room and said, You know, Newton didn't win the Super Bowl in the homes.
Is defending champ well again? The best player, best quarterback in the NFL title? Uh, and best player in the NFL title got handed to Patrick Mahomes after 2018.
Except for the fact that, well, you know, Tom Brady was just still coming off in M v P.
And also a Super Bowl in which he beat Patrick Bones twice.
So again, the standard has shifted.
So if we're going by that well again, Lamar Jackson, Here you go.
I mean, he should have that title, then the assumption being that maybe he goes out and wins the Super Bowl this year and secures that.
So, um, so that's my That's That's again, my counterpoint.
Um, both against the Colts and the Patriots.
And those two playoff but great Lamar Jackson.
The Brady was better than Brady was better than and Thio again Go back to the better.
Oh, absolutely, Absolutely.
I get that, But they have a much better running game.
Yeah, but but at the it's all played them in the game.
Yeah, but at the end of the day, though, I know Brady one, but yeah, but yeah, well, no, no, no, no, no.
We can't go to the what if Game, though that's the thing We can't.
We can't play that.
What if Because I can I can sit here since you already mentioned it.
I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it out there.
I can mention it that the Chiefs wouldn't even been in the situation that have the lead had the refs properly called a very blatant pick.
That allowed the Chiefs to really set up a huge play that that set them up for an eventual score.
So, um so yeah, so that would be my counter one drive one.
Drivers continued on a phantom roughing the passer call.
You could do this all the time.
Well, that's That's my That's my point.
It came down to the flip of a coin.
I mean, Patriots won the flip.
Go down, score touchdown Chiefs never get the ball, which I think the floor in the overtime system.
And it's not a patriot.
We'll say we'll say that we should have one possession.
Well, the Chiefs had the Chiefs had an opportunity to get a possession and that Z, we're finding a lot of things we disagree with.
Well, well, they had three opportunities on third and long, third and long to make one stop and and all the Chiefs had to do, they could.
They could have given up.
They could have started the Patriots at their own one yard line, given up 98 yards of offense and held them to a field goal, and they would have had a chance to win.
And and that's, you know, So I agree with you.
Yeah, in that point, I still don't have a system.
That's but that's what makes this conversation.
Ah, lot of fun, I think with Mahomes different than Cam Newton at the time when they won their respective MVPs and again, Mahomes the next year came back on the Super Bowl and Cam Newton was only had three winning seasons in his career.
Um, although the looks of Sunday's and have 1/4 1.
I totally misread this Patriots team.
There was only one week, but the homes, it's just the better quarterback than Cam Newton.
Yeah, I I don't know.
I'm not disputing that at all.
Yeah, I mean, I think he's e I've been watching.
Football has been like this natural progression of pure throwers.
Andi Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback in super Bowl or not even are you that? But as far as pure throwers of the football, Um, you know, Dan Marino was the best for a while, and then I wouldn't put Bread Farm in there because he was a little careless with the ball.
But then Aaron Rodgers became the guy.
And now Patrick Mahomes the guy, the guy that control every single past imaginable.
And yet they don't turn the ball over that much.
Mahomes doesn't turn the ball over much, either.
Does Aaron Rodgers.
Andi. That's what makes them so.
The media is always kind of push back against baby because he's been around for so long.
They want the fresh faces, a fresh face.
He's a likable guy.
He's fun to watch.
Um, he's got kind of a Steph Curry quality to him, Uh, where every young kid loves Patrick Mahomes.
I got grand nephew.
I said, Who's your favorite football player? Goes, Oh, Patrick Mahomes.
And he lives in New Hampshire.
It's not like a story.
Yeah, Brady guys like e gave Hey! Whoa, oh, whoa.
I'm the I'm the young of the young gun on this show.
Okay? You know, just speak up my way.
Hey, you know what? I'm sitting here.
I got microwave popcorn enjoying the show right now.
I'm not that much older than Ian.
By any stretch of the occasion, I still consider myself on the cusp.
In all actuality, I think the essence of the argument here is exactly what you guys have been saying.
It really is perception versus reality versus the perceived reality that I think is being pushed by.
Well, I'm not gonna mince words by the national media.
And John, I think you're wearing the nail right on the head. Right now.
Mahomes is the fresh face.
He's like a police, someone who's exciting toe watch people, you know, I like in it.
And And, John, you can, you know, talk about you know this as well as anyone for years up here in New England.
And this is a different sport, different cir***stance.
But for years, up here in New England, Roger Clemens was loud it as the greatest picture that anyone in Boston ever seen.
Where a uniformed that changed very quickly.
When Pedro Martinez came in here and was explosive.
I remember it was appointment viewing I could.
I used to plan my day around watching.
I would keep the red socks on in the background.
I would casually watch the game.
But if if I knew Pedro was taking them out on that night, that was appointment viewing for me.
I wanted to make sure that I was in front of the TV and saw every single pitch because you wanted to hang on everything the guy did.
I see a lot of that in Patrick Mahomes, and I see a lot of what s.
S o betwixt in between by him.
And I think that's the reason for it is because you never know what's going toe to come out of his ****nal, whether it's the no look past whether it and a lot of that is for show, a lot of it is for Flash.
We understand that we know that, but it's part of what makes him the media spectacle.
I think that he's become Look, you can't deny the success that the guy has had on the field.
Without any question, I do agree with you and that I do think there is a touch of overrated that is attached to him.
I think a lot of that is because the media is pushing that narrative so much that they want the anointing, too happen immediately.
But you know, we'll, we'll see what happens.
I do think it's an interesting case study, and I know he has brought this up several times, But I think it's an interesting case study to see if by in fact, well, Mark Jackson does have as good or is better statistically of a season as Patrick Mahomes.
And if he is able to harness some postseason success, then all of a sudden, how does the narrative change? Does it change? Do the media ride with Mahomes because they've been doing this now for the last couple of years? Or do we see an erosion towards Lamar Jackson? So I think it's gonna be interesting to see.
I think the national media love Lamar Jackson.
They gave him the M V p last year, deservedly so unanimously.
Not one other voter, not one voter voter for anybody but Lamar Jackson.
I think people love Lamar Jackson is Well, the difference between the two quarterbacks is this.
Patrick Mahomes is very comfortable coming from behind all this Tom Brady.
I mean, even Sunday against the wall.
And just like Brady gets the ball one more time, you know the only thing that's going to stop him is the clock's gonna run out E or two guys running into each other.
Hey, they look like a E.
I mean, it's, you know, Bruce Arians coach is kind of loose on it.
Kind of showed that on Sunday, but the point when the homes that he could come from behind he did it three times in the postseason last year, all by double digits, arm or off, all by double digits.
Can't be trailing by 100 points.
That would be, You know, I know grade is on that grade, but Lamar Jackson has to play with the lead.
You know, we saw in that playoff game against Tennessee.
Once they got down, it was like, Now what we dio that's the biggest difference between the two and that.
That comparison with Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens sensational because you guys remember this when Pedro pitch for scripts for empty.
Yeah, this is different.
This is 20 years ago when, you know, social media wasn't around he would play in your day around Pedro Martinez pitching.
If you got tickets to a Red Sox game, you count down the the pitching rotation say, Oh, man, I'm gonna see Pedro pits on Saturday afternoon. Clemens.
It was more like Brady, right? Like this adorable work than, like, you know, possessed competitive guy with Pedro was more of an artist.
Mahomes feels like an artist on the field.
Right where Brady is is.
You know, this is gonna check down, is gonna make the right throw.
He's the corporate quarterback was.
Mahomes is much flashier Reap with the watch.
And not that I don't like watching Tom Brady, because what he's done over 20 years is unprecedented.
It's it's insane, but I think it's a good discussion to have, um, three guy that's always left out in this conversation.
Is Russell Wilson.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's ever received BP vote, and I know every time the Packers play the Seahawks, I my pants every time the ball, because you just feel like he's gonna do something could beat you.
And in this Sunday, the Patriots play the Seahawks, and people here will say, Well, this was really good.
I didn't realize that.
Yes, all is not really a national brand.
I mean, they're a contending team every year, and he's He's got a big, tall guy.
He doesn't have the greatest arms.
They're real good arm.
But I mean, he's in that discussion to almost think it's like a pyramid at this point.
And I do put my homes on top.
But Russell, Wilson, Rogers, Brady, Brees, Mama and Sean I think those are the seven best quarterbacks.
Despite what some of those old guys that on Sunday, well, and actually, it's a good.
It's a good opportunity for us to transition to what we actually kind of planned on talking about, except for this 20 minute discussion.
No, look, look, this was great.
And we will actually talk more about this throughout the course of the season because, you know, again, I way we when we have these discussion, it's all done respectfully.
So we may disagree on certain things and and there's no animosity here.
So I enjoy these conversations and I enjoy, uh, maybe, uh, counting that I was right a little bit later in the season, but But I'll save that showboating.
I'll save that showboating for later because, uh, you know, But it's again.
It's all in good fun.
And again, we just wanna have a good conversation and hope that, you know, maybe people that listening to the show we'll continue the conversation elsewhere or, you know, just rip me a new one because, well, e feel like I'm a, uh, a one man party here.
At the moment we'll see.
I'll get some more people on my side.
But let's let's let let's let's talk current.
And I know you mentioned, uh, Seattle in the Patriots.
I do want to get your thoughts on on.
You know, it is one week, but I want to get your thoughts on this Cam Newton debut because I came away with a much more Not that I had a negative view of it all.
I was actually very positive going into the season, but I feel like my positivity level has has shot up considerably.
And there's a lot of things that I saw just in that game alone.
Um, not even necessarily football play wise, but just in general, where I'm like mhm, Okay, I'm really into this and and assuming he stays healthy.
I think the Patriots have a pretty good team beyond Cam Newton, and I think it's gonna be a fun season to watch play out.
And look, you know, this may be jumping the gun a little bit, but, you know, I don't think it's going to take long for for games like this to go on before you see him get signed long term.
I don't think if this keeps going, if, if he has a really good start to his Patriots run, I don't see him getting to free agency.
I see the Patriots doing something, you know.
I don't think it will be a Darrelle Revis type thing.
Such a critical position Exactly.
And I think different cir***stances.
Cam, I think we all knew at the time that this was a one year thing with Darrelle Revis.
Despite the two year contract.
I think it was very transparent that he was.
He was in it for the money and also the wind.
But you know, most importantly, he wanted his payday.
I think cams, the exact doctor that I think he's seen, he's made money, he's he by all accounts loves being here.
He's really taken to the atmosphere, and I think the coaching staff, especially Bill Belichick, loves them.
And I don't think I think you're going to see the Patriots signed him before the season is out long before the season is done.
Thing you have to realize about Cam Newton.
He's only 31 years old, injuries, the shoulder and the foot.
However, when people feel to realize you heard the shoulder in the pocket, you know T J want that blew him up and that caused that shoulder toe just explode.
And you continue to play that game and several others with that, you know, beat up.
Winning the foot also happened in the park it so when he runs, he does take a pounding because he's not looking for Sly.
He's not looking to run out of bound that tackle him, Henry yards downfield with him with a full head of steam, which he can't quite get upto did 56 years ago, and he's older.
But I mean, who wants to tackle him? He's a lot 2 52 60 Great athlete.
Um, you know, throwing the football.
It looks okay on Sunday I've never been crazy about his release.
But, you know, you know, I'm trying to be, you know, Orlowski.
But But the whole thing is the thing I like about him, man.
He's an Alfa, isn't he? Yeah.
Tell that that team fired up for him when he scored his first.
I found, uh, they clearly like him, and that's that's so important for the quarterback.
And I think they respect him, too, because by all accounts, first time the building last guy.
He loves playing football.
Andi, I think some people put it this way.
Older guys even older than me, 57 so far, 98 get turned off with the outfits and stuff.
I love it. He's a personality.
Let it be a personality.
Because when you're on the field is all about football.
And apparently throughout the week is all about football.
He likes, you know, we're different clothes.
Yeah, Look, I'm right there with you and like that, I I'm so impressed by the d the you know, like you said, Just how these players gravitate towards him in such a short period of time to We're not talking about a player that's been here for years or months.
Even we're talking about a guy who showed up at the end of, uh, you know, at the end of July, excuse me into the middle of beginning of August.
So, like, we're talking about a guy who's done this in such a short period of time and and I think his play on the field will improve because we're also got to remember, you know, this is the first time playing in almost a year in his first win in 18 months.
So I think there's a lot to that.
I think we're going to see this, uh, you know, play on the field, developed and see him do the things that he does.
And look, I like what I saw.
So, um, again, our our our initial conversation, as we as we brought you on, kind of derailed some of our plans before.
But I would have thio.
Um, I would be disappointed if I did not bring this up to you.
And I asked Mike this, uh, kind of before we got on there, and it's like we're destined for a Celtics and Lakers final, right? I mean neither one of those teams can get to the final without playing one of one another.
So if the Celtics lose, I don't expect the the Lakers to make it invites first.
I just I feel like right now this is the only result in my mind that that that can happen.
We were going to have a Lakers versus Celtics, a LeBron verse Boston, um, final.
And I could not be happier because you know what? If we could get Celtics Lakers every single year, I know that would **** off a lot of people, but not me.
I'd be happy with that.
Well, you're not being feel to it, right, because, I mean, I'm new Oldfield to remember the sixties.
I don't remember the sixties like the Celtics.
I'm not that old, but the Magic Bird eighties battles were phenomenal and not to cover the games that so.
The Kobe Paul Pierce battles weren't quite as great, but they were still must watch TV.
This has a totally new feel, because now LeBron's in there, someone who's won five straight series against the Celtics and now is a Laker, and the Celtics have all these young stars, and it's really been a nice story in this bubble.
Oh, me and sign me up for this.
I mean, before the class started, that's what I yeah, um, and I think it'll be a fascinating Siri's.
I don't think ABC wants to see Miami. Denver.
I mean, that's not exactly ah, ***y Siri's.
And look, Denver's got a chance.
They're playing 1/7 game against the Clippers tonight.
All the pressure on the Clippers.
Um, I think the Lakers will get by either of those two teams that they're playing a very high level right now that he thought the excellent and guys like Alex Caruso and Rajon Rondo really stepped up the Celtics.
I think if the Celtics could defend the three, you'll beat the Miami Heat.
I think they're better Squad, Um, but the key with Miami and beating Miami is defending the three because they can light it up from three.
They've got several three point shooters.
Duncan Robinson, Tyler hero.
These guys are not afraid to shoot from 30 ft, and you better be ready to defend them.
But you can also hunt them out on the other end of the court because I don't think they really look defenders.
Yeah, and that That's why it's gonna be fascinating.
Like I said, I mean, I think it's good for the Celtics Thio.
Uh, it looks like they're gonna be getting Gordon Hayward back here soon, and that that's gonna help them.
I know they have a lot of success without him in the lineup, but they're they're they're a better team when he's an option for them, Uh, whether off the bench or whatever, But it's gonna be fascinating.
Like I said, I mean, like, I think that real quick because we are gonna have to get off the air here. We do have time limits.
Um uh, that that Siri's 10 years ago.
The Pierce Kobe I think that helped bridge the gap with some of the younger fan base because, like again, prior to that, it was 1986 I was born in 86.
But, you know, I wasn't old enough, obviously, to to have experienced that in the flesh.
You know, I was able to experience it after the fact.
Well, while growing up relatively close to that, but at the same time, you know, watching the Celtics and Lakers go go at it.
Um, during those finals in, you know, 10 years ago, that was fun.
That was, you know, again, that that kind of reignited that rivalry.
And now all of a sudden, like you said, it's it's fresh.
Now you've got a young group in in Boston.
You had the added element of LeBron, who has a natural rivalry with there was Cleveland, Miami and, you know, like again it just makes sense.
That would be Boston in the final.
So, John, thank you very much.
Mike, I'm glad you said a few words.
We will try to get you in.
Yes, men of very few words.
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See? Look at that.
We will be back tomorrow Wednesday.
We're gonna, you know, kind of start shifting towards with you.
We're gonna talk some MBA.
We're gonna talk about game one.
We're gonna talk about a whole bunch of stuff that comes line, and I will remind everyone once again then I am perfect in our fantasy football league.
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