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Oh, my goodness.
Running backs this year all getting paid.
It's just throwing money to everybody.
Um, if you were running back and you're here, the end of your contract, all you gotta do is say I'm not going to play until I get paid and you're guaranteed to get paid.
Or at least that's what it looks like to me.
I mean, right now, the only running back in the NFL that is kicking themselves is probably Zeke Elliot.
Uh, so, Ray, apparently Dalvin cook earlier this offseason, as we reported, uh, straight upset.
I'm not gonna play a day.
I'll come to training camp.
I'll practice with everybody.
But I'm not playing a single down of football unless I get a new contract.
Five years, $63 million.
A 28 million guaranteed.
What's your thoughts, my guy? Um you know, we're talking about Dalvin.
We're probably gonna talk about I'm assuming Tamara's well um, to be honest with you both those teams needed to make those moves for various reasons.
Now the Saints have more talent than Minnesota, so I'll leave that one for a moment.
But the state's loss Stefon Diggs this year when they traded him away to the um to the Buffalo Bills.
It's been a nightmare of a situation for them there.
Um, Kirk Cousins, in my opinion, at least, is one of the more overrated quarterbacks in the NFL. Now.
The is the awful.
No, I'm not gonna say is an awful quarterback.
But do I believe that Kirk Cousins can pick a team up on his back and win a Super Bowl on his own? Absolutely not.
I always point back to the year that he signed with Minnesota and Alex Smith went to Washington, and Washington was on pace to make the playoffs with the same team that Kirk Cousins couldn't get past five winds.
Uh, until Alex, you know, had that unfortunate catastrophic leg injury, eso wouldn't have happened.
We'll never know the deal, but they were on pace to get there. At that moment.
Dalvin Cook was very is going to be instrumental into Minnesota's offense this year.
Why did it take until now? I think that Minnesota said.
Let's look at camp and let's see if we really need Dalvin Cook, Do we really need the run game? Do we really need his involvement? I think they watched camp.
I think they realize what they lost in.
Probably one of the top 10 receivers in the NFL when they lost out are Stefon Diggs.
And I think there was a oh s moment.
Oh, shoot will say when they turned around and said, We do need him, um, and they need to get paid.
Obviously, I think a lot of guys, they're looking for their payments now because the cap is going to drop next year and they're not gonna take losing revenue as a an excuse for not getting paid.
That's why we've seen a lot of guys get paid this year.
I mean, when we think when we start listing all the running backs we got paid this year, it's insane.
I also think it tells us that the NFL, even though it's still a passing league, I think that teams we're starting to see the importance of the run game there.
There came a time when the run game wasn't seen as important.
And I know guys like our colleague Joe New beau thinks that running backs are a dime a dozen.
Um, but I challenge him toe go draft another Dalvin cook or or Or or Alvin Kamara or Ezekiel Elliott.
Go find me those guys.
Go find another shaquan, Barkley or Christian McCaffrey.
Yes, there's guys in the league, her like that.
But, you know, many running backs were drafted a year that don't even make practice squads.
These guys don't grow on trees.
Starting running backs don't grow on trees.
Um, you know, because if you took that ****ogy will just go find another quarterback.
You know, every year you draft, you know, some team drafted Joe Burrow or something that just, you know, if if Lamar Jackson wants to get paid, just go find another quarterback.
I don't understand why we put so much importance on one position on the other position, and they're all equally important, and I think that we're also maybe we'll start seeing a shift.
You know, I'll never forget.
When I was listening Pat McKinley about three months ago, when he was talking about the salary cap.
This is obviously pre coded, and at this time there was a talk to the salary cap.
Was gonna jump significantly last season, not drop significantly.
And he said, I don't see why it matters when the salary cap goes up, All that means is more money for quarterbacks.
You know, I mean that the money is still gonna be distributed the exact same for everybody else.
But no, I think Minnesota the same way the Saints needed to a Camara for different reasons.
I think they needed to make this.
They needed to do this.
Um, when you commit yourself to Kurt Cousins and you get away, your best receiver, you're forced toe, have to rely on your running game and look, there's no Dalvin.
Cook's waiting in the wind, All right, so you did touch a little on the album.
Camara and his contract was significantly bigger, but less in the guaranteed he get.
He also got a five year contract, but it's $75 million a year, so that's 15 million year rather than like 12.6.
But he only gets $15 million in signing bonus, whereas Cook has a five year, 63 million.
So like I said, much less overall.
But he gets $28 million guaranteed.
When you look at those contracts, which one do you think is better for the player themselves? Which one do you think you're like? Wow, that actually looks really good, because you could you could look at it as, like Dalvin.
Cook's only played 29 games right on Lee.
Now, that's not even two full seasons, and yet he's getting $28 million guaranteed.
But he's got a lot less topping money, whereas Alvin Kamara has a lot Mawr topping money.
But ah, lot less in the signing bonus.
It kind of tells me that you know, Cook wanted that guaranteed and less top in because, let's face it, he's had problems with injury issues.
Do you think that might be the case? Yeah.
I mean, if you really look at it from a running back perspective, it was a very similar to a Kirk Cousins contract, right? Kirk Cousins, on his new deal, took less money than he probably could have garnered from them, but from or guaranteed money.
I'm expecting more players going forward to make deals like this where maybe they're taking 23 million less a year, but adding more guaranteed money because, yeah, I think tomorrow is only guaranteed, What, 15 year? 15 million? 15 total? Um, I mean, that's that's stupid money when you put it in perspective.
But for a football player, I mean 15 year salary for a guy like tomorrow, you know what I mean? It's, um and we talk about lifestyles and how you do things.
Um, yeah, I think so, too, though that for a guy like Dalvin Cook, it's a better contract for him because because he can't stay healthy, right, because when he's out, he's leaving money, sitting on the table every game that he misses every game.
He's on the r I or or, you know every day he's got a treatment that he's leaving money on the table now.
I was reading a little bit more about these deals before we came on, and Kamara's deal to has a little bit more incentive, heavy as well, so he's got an opportunity to make even more money from incentives.
Um, I think the differences between the guaranteed money and the money like tomorrow and having incentive Lated is Camara bet on himself and Dalvin Cook said I don't know if I'm really to stay healthy, so give me the money so I can take care of my family and do my thing.
So, um you know, I think if tomorrow wanted guaranteed money, he could have got it s so I think that they're both equally good deals.
But if I had to pick one for myself, I would take Dalvin Cook because I'd want that guarantee pocket cash.
I'd like to know that I could blow my knee out and my career tomorrow and still have $28 million coming to me.
But when you're looking, you're moving forward.
Let's say you're a GM for a football team and you've got a running back.
That's that's wanting 13 6, 13 to $16 million.
And you know you've got other especially let's say, on the offensive line, you got offensive lineman that air definitely needing money.
And if you give the big money to your running back, that offensive lineman might have to take less or have to move on from him.
Which way would you go if you had that situation? Would you lean more heavy towards the offensive lineman? Or did you lean more heavy to a running back who can make things happen? Even if the offensive line isn't as good as what it possibly could be, it would be situational.
So can I compare with both those teams again? Um, if I was Minnesota, I wouldn't be investing all my money into a running back.
I know I've got a quarterback for a little while.
I would say, Dalvin, This is what we could pay if you don't like it, you know, tough.
We'll try to find a trade partner for you.
Um and you know, I because I need to invest into my offensive line.
I know they've got big money into too tight ends right now.
Um, they're gonna have to put money into receiver at some point on, and then their defense is A lot of them are coming up.
We're gonna demand a lot of big money, so I wouldn't have done if I'm the saints.
I make this move 10 times that attend because this could be your last year with Drew Brees.
This you don't know Jamis Winston can step up and do it for you next year.
You don't know if if the saints are, you know, gonna be as competitive this year's they were next year.
I think you you bite the bullet, you pay them knowing, Hey, I might have to go through a rebuild for a couple of seasons, and I'm paying or running back a lot of money.
But I'm not spending money in other places because I'm getting draft picks.
Um, you know, Breezes pretty much said, This is it.
You know what I mean? Like, let's go.
Let's take one more shot.
I don't think they could Look, I think they looked at the camera situation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Drew Brees was there going.
You can't lose him.
You know what I mean? On my final season, let's make the push.
So again, I think it all depends where you are is a franchise.
If I'm the Indianapolis Colts who are just starting my run, I'm at the end of my rebuild.
I'm ready to move forward.
I'm not investing huge money into a running back What? I mean, but if I'm the Saints or on the Patriots, who are, you know, kind of the tail end of what they've had? Um, but I'm investing into whatever position I need to invest in that that time to make sure that I'm successful.
See, I got a kind of a different thing when it came to the Indianapolis Colts.
I'm thinking with them they have two running backs right now.
One of them, obviously, on the tail end of their contract.
He's going to get paid by somebody at some point.
Maybe not 12 $15 million.
But he's gonna get paid somewhere, probably in the ranges of 6 to 10.
Right? And if he would take a 68 to stay with Indianapolis, I think that would be a huge move for Indianapolis.
Because when you got Jonathan Taylor there, you got basically, you would have to very, very good running backs on the contract of one.
And I think that would be something that the Colts could really take advantage of over a course of three years.
You know, e mean if you're paying $8 million for two very good running backs basically per year for for three or four years that I think you jump on that every day because you're extending the health and the playability because, you know, they're they're not taking as many snaps over the course of the season eso at the end of the season.
I think they both are still very, very fresh and can really, uh, take on, uh, more responsibility towards the end of the season.
If you could get it running back for that 6 to 8.
I mean, I paid both my running back 6 to 8 because you're getting two solid positions to solid positional players at $60 million I wouldn't have won a 12.
5 and one at six, though.
You know, I agree there and, you know, and the thing is, when you talk about the running back position, I know some people, so I'm talking to you and I have my eye on European football right now as we talk, Um, when you think about the running back position, there is Yeah, there's a lot of disrespect for the position, right, And it's important to those kind of players.
You know, Joe says a running back.
The diamond doesn't well, LeGarrette Blunt is probably a dime a dozen quarterback or running back.
I mean, he would never be ever a top 50 in anybody's mind of all time.
I'm sure you could name 49 or 50.
Other running backs were better than LeGarrette Blount, but the Patriots running game suffered huge in 2017 compared to 16 when he left to go play for Philadelphia, even though the Patriots were primarily passing team.
I mean, while you're Colts fan, you know exactly what LeGarrette Blunt can do to a team when you're against, you know, a week, a week or running defense like that.
We didn't have that, and we still haven't since that day had that power back who could just blow through the line and and pick you up eight hard yards or six hard yards or 10 hard yards.
Um, you know, I would have paid him the five or six million that he wanted.
Belichick elected not to Belichick and do as he pleases.
You know, we went to another.
They went to another Super Bowl in 11 Who am I to question the Hoody? But um it was a big impact on the team, so yeah, again.
I think it all comes down to and then you have generational running back.
Ezekiel Elliott, Guam, Barkley, Christian McCaffrey.
You know, those guys, they're going to demand big money.
They're going to get big money.
You've got to make the decision.
Is the big money on my team or another team? Um you know, maybe Jerry Jones did it wrong by signing his receiver and running back before his quarterback, you know? But when you look at Christian McCaffrey, what else could Carolina dio? But at the same time, they have handcuffed themselves a little bit.
Uh, if they do start making a run of Teddy, Bridgewater does perform, um, to expectation, which isn't gonna became Newton like, But it should be better than what they've had.
Um, you know, do they get to a point where it's man, All we're missing is a big free agent or a big trade and all those that they looked at their money and there's a lot of money tied into Christian McCaffrey.
Right? And do they get it there on then? So Kwan Barkley, but but at the same time shaquan Barkley and Christian McCaffrey.
Probably only two guys in the league.
You give them what they want because somebody else will, and they'll burn you.
And, you know, especially when you are the when you are both those teams offense I mean completely.
You gotta pay if you are the offense, you pay the offense and they are the offense of both their teams.
So absolutely so.
I mean, you make it.
And again with the Saints, I think it's, you know, the Saints probably aren't going to be great next year.
They'll probably be good, but they're not gonna be great.
And I think that, I think, to with loyalty that Drew Brees has showed New Orleans.
Um, you know, unlike Tom Brady, who just want to change and wanted to go play for somebody else, the loyalty that he showed Sean Payton in that organization, Um, I think you had to make sure Camara was playing for you this year just to give him every possible operate.
The last thing you want to do is losing the first round of the playoffs again and think man, an extra 50 rushing yards could have made the difference you know, or him coming out.
And he's been out of the backfield, you know, our him coming out of the backfield.
Um, you know, you know, one of the more underrated moves that I think kind of got lost.
Just with the way the week is gonna wrapped up is Leonard for net to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
And to me, that was the missing piece on that offense, right? I mean, wow, that in the offensive line, I know it's gotten better.
It's not great yet, but But when You know how the option to throw a guy who has downfield speed, who can come out of the backfield to make catches, I mean, like, f you Brady? Um uh, s Oh, yes.
Oh, it's That's kind of where I sit with paying a running back.
It all depends on the situation you're in and where your team is headed to the next, you know, 5 to 10 air, you know, 4 to 5 years.
So who gets paid in Denver? Oh, well, I think it z receivers, right? Obviously, um I mean, the good news about them is their young, so they're not in a situation yet.
where they're all going to come up at the same time.
But I'm trying to think like, uh, I'm talking running back wise.
I mean, you got you got Phillip Lindsay and Melvin Gordon that that are going to need extension soon.
But I think Phillip Lindsay is the future.
Melvin Gordon is I don't wanna come to stop the stopgap, but he's the I think he was the go for it this year.
I think that was John Elway saying, We're good enough.
What? I mean, uh, to make a run and let's bring in a guy like Melvin Gordon.
I think Lindsay is the guy who gets the extension from a running back standpoint.
Even if Gordon say I think Gordon is the, uh listed on the depth chart is the number one running back.
What if Gordon blows up? Yeah, you know what? He could do that, but again, I think that Denver is in a situation where, you know, we've had a lot of talks that we think, you know, I think Denver is gonna be the most improved team this year, but I don't think that they're gonna win the Super Bowl this year.
they're not even there yet.
There's still another draft, maybe two drafts away from being that, you know, that sort of what I call three year window for most teams were there, you know, absolutely dominant.
Especially after the loss of injuries to both their pass rushers, you know? Yeah.
Which is which is gonna hurt them drastically.
Um, let's put it this way.
I drafted the Denver defense in the 12th round of my fantasy draft, and I just traded them for the Packers.
You know what I mean? Because it's the pass rush is gone in my eyes.
Eso I don't think they need to make that move now.
And if Gordon turns around and says I want huge money, I'd say, Okay, go somewhere else.
What? I mean, because Lindsay is the future.
Um, you know, we're building this nucleus together.
I mean, I love this Denver team.
I know I'm digressing here, but you got Lindsey.
You got, uh what's his name? Court Court in Southern.
You got Drew lock? You got Noah Fant.
You just drafted buddy. They're out of the draft.
What? I mean, like this, This offense and it's they're all growing up together.
You know what I mean? Like Portland, like a third year player coming in with another with a rookie coming in with a second year quarterback coming in with a second year tight end like this is a core that you could keep together for a long time.
I wouldn't allow the g m a guy like Melvin Gordon to get in the way of keeping my core together.
I mean, like you said, the draft Jerry Judy was raided by most ****ysts, I believe, as the number one wide receiver in the draft.
And, you know, they grabbed him up as the third receiver drafted.
So, you know, they kind of fell into that one.
Uh, their offense looks really it Drew.
Lock can step up being impressive.
I I do agree, but as you said we were digressing.
Is just that That question that came to mind because you had two running backs needing a contract at the time? Um, yeah.
So I guess we pretty much covered our feelings on both these guys is contract extensions.
I waas surprised by cameras a little bit, but in the end, you kind of last time we talked about tomorrow when he said he wanted to contract extension.
You kind of showed me everything.
And you know how how I've turned you around a little bit.
You turned me around on that.
I will admit that.
Um, now, now, when it comes to cook, I didn't expect him to get no $15 million a year.
I figured closer to 12 and that's Mawr.
Like what he got just because of his injury history.
That's that's exactly what it was.
He has yet to prove that he could hold ah, full season and not get injured.
Right, Theo? Guaranteed money is what shocked me about him.
The 12 million? No, I think you, me and Joe all agree.
No, Joe didn't agree.
Doesn't like 12 million.
But you and I agree 12 million was the price for him.
But this is a big risk by Minnesota.
I know you had to sign him and give him that money to keep him, but the guarantee is huge.
I would have almost offered him more money and not put the guarantee.
And I mean, obviously we would have known that we would have been dissecting this a different way.
Um, but yeah, it was the guaranteed money for a guy who I don't think it's played a full season in his whole career.
And And if I remember right, both the saints and the Vikings are kind of low on the cap space, you know? So, um, they're they're kind of putting their money right there and that they're they're betting on this year.
I think both both teams.
Okay, so I'll ask you this question.
Then they both made the bet on the running backs.
When you look at both teams, you know all three, not just offense, but all three phases of the game.
Who's got the better chance of winning the Super Bowl this year? The same for the Vikings.
The Saints? Yeah, and that's that's me, too.
It's a saint's easy.
I was hoping to say the Vikings, we could have an argument, but but yeah. No, it's that.
But I'm most happy.
Um, yeah, I do like I do like I do like the saints.
Um, I think are the Vikings.
I like certain aspects of the Vikings. Right.
Um, they're gonna have to pay e I don't know if they even paid in God way.
Did they? Or was that? No, that's Rams.
What? I mean, they've got they've got a lot of money invested in tow.
Positions you don't normally do it with, right? Like they've got.
They've got a lot of money invested tight end, a lot of money invested at running back, verily, very little money invested at quarterback.
They just gave him a lot of guarantee.
Um, but it's listen to me.
Minnesota has not done a great job building this roster.
They got a bunch of, you know, sometimes you can't just take a bunch of good players and put them all on the same team and hope for them toe win, right? It's you have toe.
I go back to the you know her, Brooks the miracle.
You know, the miracle on ice coach, right? I don't need the best players.
I need the right players where I looked at Sean Payton, you know? Okay, Michael Thomas is a bit of a cry, baby, but you know, Michael Thomas Camara, cooks and, uh, and Drew Brees to me like that's the right nucleus to play around if you're, you know, and plus a pretty good defense in New Orleans as well.
You know what I mean? So to me, it's like, Are there better wide receivers and Michael Thomas? He'll say No, I say, Absolutely.
There's better receivers.
Are there better running backs in Camara? Absolutely.
Are the better quarterbacks than Breeze? Absolutely.
But the four of them together, I think, is the perfect nucleus of players to really cause a lot of damage.
Plus, think of a good supporting cast around them as well.
But those were just the big four.
Yeah, they work well together, right? That's that's the big thing.
They all have a really good feel for each other.
They work well with each other.
They trusted each other on the field.
And that's what makes a team go, especially on offense. Absolutely.
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