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00:01:43
on today's Padonia.
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My take.
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I'll be joined by the assistant coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Lindsay Gottlieb.
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From there, I'm going to tell you why Kareem Hunt is pivotal to the Cleveland Browns offense and why he could be the identity of the Cleveland Browns this season.
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We're gonna poke fun off Mike D'Antoni and those Houston Rockets get you guys ready for Browns Ravens on Sunday and give you all my takes throughout the rest of the world of sports.
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So let's get right into it, right? I'm a big fan of this bubble.
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What the n.
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Ba has going on? I was skeptical of it like everyone else was at the start.
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I was unsure if it was going toe work, Were the players going to buy in even dating back to when the idea was proposed? You know, Is LEBRON really gonna be cool with being away from his family and from his friends and from his clutch crew for that long And being in some hotel in Orlando with nothing to dio it is working perfectly.
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And we know that we know that the krona virus and everything going on with that, you know, no positive tests since July.
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And even then, I think the one positive was false.
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But I think what has impressed me so much about this bubble and I'm gonna get into this with Coach Lindsay Gottlieb here in a second is the competitive play we have seen.
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Ah, level of competitive play that we haven't seen an n b a playoffs, maybe ever.
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And I feel like, Ah, big part of that is the oncoming stars that have emerged onto the scene this season.
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Right? First season, first playoff series.
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We see Luca Don Church in the Dallas Mavericks.
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Outstanding Siri's last series.
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We got Denver Nuggets, another outstanding Siri's with young players that are working the ranks then you don't even factor into the playoffs, right? How about just the bubble in general? In the play in tournament, The play in games The Phoenix Suns were America's team there for a week.
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When I was on vacation, Devin Booker was raining threes. They were undefeated.
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They were unstoppable.
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The bubble is posing a perfect situation for young teams without a bona fide superstar to succeed.
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It's It's an environment where a team like the Cavs could have gotten invited and done fairly well because it's the perfect team building environments.
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And again, we're going to get into this with Coach Gottlieb here in about three minutes.
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It's perfect because you have nowhere else to go, but the hotel, your whole life at this moment in time in 2020.
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If you're one of those teams in the bubble, whether in the playoffs now or whether it was when you first got invited to Orlando to Disney, your one goal and your one mindset and everything around you and everyone around you is basketball.
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That's all there is is basketball and I feel like a team like the Cavs, with young players like Collin ***ton with various Garland Kevin Porter, Dylan, Wendler? We haven't even seen yet.
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It would benefit a team like the Cavs, so so much to be only around each other with their brand new head coach, their brand new coaching staff and figure out how to win.
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That's what we've seen with these other teams.
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They've learned how toe win we saw it with.
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You know, the Lakers syriza little bit.
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Portland was able to hang in there and they were a fun story.
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You know, we've seen it with the Denver Nuggets, who I've been high on the Miami Heat, who we're gonna talk about at the end of the show today have been on an absolute terror.
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And I think that all comes from the fact that these guys don't have other things going on there not being pulled in a million different directions because their life at this current moment is basketball.
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And I think the Cavs need that, and I'm looking forward to seeing the step that the Cavs take next season at as the N B A playoffs go on tonight and as the draft was announced for, I believe November 17th today, there will be a time where we get to see Cavaliers basketball again in the near future because these months air roaring right past us, I believe in my heart of hearts that we will get to see calves basketball again.
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But after having the conversation that I had with Coach Gottlieb, my big take away from the interview that you're about to hear is I.
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I think that the Cavs really could have used this bubble performance, and it really could have let the team take the next step in their development and in this post LeBron era that we are always hear so much about.
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So let's get right into that interview because joining put on my take right now is the first ever women's head coach to make that transition to the N B A from NC Double A.
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She coached the one women's hoops for over 10 years and now sits right next to J B Bickerstaff on that Cavs bench.
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Here she is to tuck some nb A to talk some Cleveland Cavaliers, ladies and gentlemen, none other than Lindsay Gottlieb.
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Okay, so joining me now from Cleveland, Ohio, is the assistant coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Lindsay got leave.
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Lindsay Thanks for joining the.
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So how are your coach? Thanks for having me.
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I'm I'm good.
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Glad to be here and connected some Cleveland folks.
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Oh, awesome. There.
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Trust me, they're very happy to have you and very happy to hear you on the show today.
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So let's get started right from the beginning.
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If you're cool with that, you attended an Ivy League school like both of your parents.
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You played basketball yourself.
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Talk to me a little bit about how you fell in love with the game and where things all began.
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Well, going all the way back to the beginning right off the bat.
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Um, so I earliest memories of childhood I just always was in love with not just basketball, but all sports having three older siblings, but in particular and older brother, that was really into baseball and basketball.
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And he was eight years older than me on I was follow him around and I want to be part of it.
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And I remember our dinner table conversations were either about sports or somebody's case because they're a bunch of lawyers in the family s.
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I just kind of grew up, uh, really, Just around sports.
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I think when I was super little, I wanted to be the shortstop for the New York Yankees and, you know, played everything.
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And then it wasn't until probably high school that I focused mainly on basketball.
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Um, I think was the sport.
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I love the best, and probably that I was best at and ended up going to play at Brown.
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Um, and while I was in college, I decided I wanted to go into coaching and just that's been the story ever since, for sure.
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So let's talk a little bit about that time coaching.
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I'll let you brag a lot about your time at Cal.
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It was super successful, and you've also worked with Joe and Boil, whose legendary women's basketball coach talked to me about sort of in a sense of working those rants and working below Coach Boyle and becoming the head coach of Cal and having all the success that you had there.
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What was that like for you? Well, I think that you know the coaching profession.
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It's so interesting because there isn't one protocol.
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There isn't one path.
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There's a lot of ways to do it.
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And for me, I realized while I was in college that I want to coach.
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I knew that probably the career in the professional ranks wasn't gonna happen.
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And so my senior year at Brown, I told my coaches that I wanted to coach, and they allowed me to kind of work in the office.
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Almost two and an internship while I was playing, which was need, uh, and that winter we were there over winter break.
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Just the athletes.
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There's not much to do on.
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So I sent out a letter to all 350 Division one basketball.
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Coach is saying, You know, this is who I am.
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I'm graduating in a few months.
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I want a coach and it's pretty cool.
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I got letters back from Pat Summitt and tar of interviewer and some, you know, a lot of different people, most of them saying, Hey, I don't have a job for you, but, you know, stay with it.
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Um, and ultimately I did get my first job at Syracuse right after I graduated.
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Well, my best friend from high school had was a terrific player.
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She was an all American on, ended up playing at Duke, so one of her assistant coaches was joined Boyle, who you mentioned a couple years later.
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I had been at Syracuse for two years and at the University of New Hampshire for a year, and then Joanne left Duke to become the head coach of the University of Richmond and asked me to come along with her on.
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At that time, I was 24.
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I remember I needed toe get a note from the athletic director when I went out recruiting so I could rent a car and not pay the under 25 fee on Joanne.
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Let me really have a lot of ownership of that program with her, Um, got to do a lot of things from, you know, running the offense to recruiting to all the things that kind of go go into starting a program.
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Eso from for me working for a first time, had Coats.
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Join had been a long time assistant.
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A Duke was just a terrific opportunity in my career, and then we did well at Richmond.
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She took the job at Khao.
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I got the chance to go out to cow with her and now sort of do the same thing, but at a higher level and then, you know, a couple years later, I was head coach at Santa Barbara and then back at Cow.
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So that was my path.
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So fast.
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Forward to today.
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You've been in Cleveland for about a year now, with us with the Cavaliers.
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What has been the best part of your time living here in Cleveland and would have been some of the weird, nuanced challenges of transitioning from women's college hoops to the N B. A.
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Well, I don't think this year has been, you know, typical in any shape of the word, obviously, because of a huge transition from, you know, West Coast.
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East Coast women's basketball demands college to pro, but then throw in, you know, a coaching change in a pandemic.
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And, uh, it was just kind of a little bit more than I expected.
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But we love Cleveland.
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I would say, Gosh, what I love the best.
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Clearly the job, you know, and and being in the n B A is just It's not lost on me.
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What an incredible league it is and just sort of the the most elite level of basketball and getting Teoh you know, think the game all the time, talk the game, just find ways to help make this organization better.
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That that's what drives me, and it's been an incredible experience.
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On top of that, we really like Cleveland.
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I mean, people are like, Oh, you left leaving the Bay area But I think you know my husband.
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I believe Cleveland's a hidden gem.
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The fact they've kind of been sheltering in place and quarantine for six months probably has allowed us to get to know the city more quickly.
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I feel like we've lived here more than a year in that sense.
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So I would say Those are the best things that the craziest things I mean the most.
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The most sort of straightforward thing is that, yeah, Coach women's college basketball for 20 years.
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So the biggest transition for me was not coaching men.
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It was more the rhythm of everything.
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You know, I know the college rhythm like the back of my hand. You.
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When do you take a day off? When you start prepping for a game, when do you practice hard when you reel it in? But the n B A.
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That rhythm with 82 games and not that much practice time.
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I just took a little bit for me to kind of catch my my rhythm with that, Um And then, of course, you have a season got got shut down.
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So still adjusting to that.
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But the guys were incredible.
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There was not a lot of difference to me in dealing with men than dealing with women.
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It's where you're dealing with the most elite.
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So there's more similarities between these guys toe the pros that I coached a cow, I would say, because the mind said this similar.
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I know Kobe Altman has done a really good job in Cleveland, kind of working through player development and building through the draft.
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And I know as an assistant coach you have a pretty big hand in working with those guys.
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What were the what were those conversations like with Kobe Altman? And how did you get in touch with him? Teoh come to Cleveland and to work with young players like something that you're used to doing already in college? Yeah, I think that was what was so moving to me about the situation.
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Uh, had some connections in the n b.
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A.
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And, you know, with the with the way that things have gone relative to women.
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I was having more conversations with NBA people about what the next 5 to 10 years might look like for one in the n b A.
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But most of the conversations were about how to get young people involved.
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Hey, do have any players who might be interested? That type of thing will.
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Kobe came at it.
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A mutual friend connected us and said, Hey, you know, I think you'd really hit it off with Kobe. You know, he's progressive.
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He's young and smart and I thought it would just be maybe, you know, friendship or something down the line.
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Well, when he sat down with me, he said, We just hired Coach Bee Line and really were trying to create a staff that is about development and this kind of next phase of, you know, the Cavs organization.
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And he's like, I know I've studied what you've done.
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I know what you bring to the table, and we want you to be a part of that.
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We think you're skill set would add value, and that was just really different than what other you know and the other teams that had spoken to me about anything, and I was really intrigued by that, because I don't think people at that point I've been thinking about women.
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You know, we've been coaching for 20 years who have experience at one level on how can that translate.
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And so for me, I just focus every day on number one, being a great assistant to J.
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B.
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Bickerstaff into the organization, but also how to make Cleveland a place where young guys feel like they can better themselves and their career.
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And that's how we're gonna build through the draft of development through creating, you know, a narrative and free agency that that's what we're about, because it is what what we're about was that a daunting thought and a daunting few days or weeks.
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I'm sure when the offer was made like Holy Cow, I'm going to leave the place where I was so comfortable.
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I have had so much, so much success to come to a city that has again lost LeBron and have to do this all over again.
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Was that scary at all? Absolutely.
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I mean, it's is if you and I talked before was their first time chatting, I would say Daunting is an understatement, and it was really scary.
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But I in that time of sort of thinking about it, that scariness, that feeling off, you know, knowing you're gonna leave a comfort zone and go do something, you know, really different.
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Really exciting.
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But but hard was actually why I I kind of sat in that feeling for a little bit and why I ended up doing it.
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You remember one point my husband said, What do you want your legacy to be? You know, there's nothing.
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There was nothing wrong with staying at Cal for a really long time and, you know, felt a lot of just passion about that and impacting, you know, young women in student athletes.
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But the chance to sort of get out of my comfort zone, see if I could add value.
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This organization challenge myself.
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That's ultimately you know why I did it.
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And even since I've been here, it's It's easy isn't the word that I would use to describe it.
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It's been incredible, but but different and a new challenge, and I'm just really grateful for that and excited about continuing to grow into this role in bringing as much as I can to this organization.
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So in my opinion, you've honestly done a great job even by coaching men to empower women to show that women, especially younger women in sports, can do literally whatever they want in that glass ceiling is slowly starting to be broken.
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It's been a super hectic season.
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We've talked about that.
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Was there ever a moment throughout, were able to sit back and be like, Wow, this is pretty, you know, historic.
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This is pretty monumental when I decided to do and how it's going, especially after moving to the front of the bench after the coaching change there.
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I think that the neat thing about it is that once you're in it and it's such an intense job, right, we're with each other every single day and on airplanes and hotels and in the in the gym and stuff.
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The cool thing is that it actually became you.
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The way I was treated within the building and around there like it felt as normal as possible, right, like they all just, you know, treated me like I was someone else, and I do think that that type of representation matters, right? Like when young women see that that I am just part of the staff like everybody else, and was not just young women.
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You hope that you know, boys watching game.
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But also that the guys that I'm around us, it changes their mind set about.
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You can't really believe things can happen until you see it every day where I would get the wow, you know, this is kind of cool.
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Moment is when you know you're we're on the the court in Philly about to play the Sixers, and a woman who is sitting in the court side seats, you know, stops and says, Hey, and you know, what you're doing is really inspirational.
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Things like that are cool that you see the reach of the impact it has on on other people.
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So that is part of my motivation to do.
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It was because I know people have to do things in order for other you know, younger generations to believe they can be done.
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But I also recognize that just doing my job well on a day to day basis is what is going toe actually open doors for other people down there would have to be good at the job in order for it to impact other people.
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As much as I have pasta, you can.
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For sure, Kobe and Jamie have also done a fantastic job with inclusion in this really weird time.
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Not only are we battling Corona virus, we're also dealing with the social injustice that's happening all over.
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They launched the hashtag Be the Solution campaign injunction with the calves and the tribe.
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How great of leaders have JB and Kobe been behind the scenes in these do meetings with these guys? In troubling times where they see their peers in Orlando boycotting games because of the brutality that are happening toe, you know, their own people in their own cities.
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I mean, it's really unbelievable and remarkable.
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And to be honest with you, um, I wasn't just gonna jump it any job in the n.
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B A.
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I was only gonna come to a place where I felt like it was the right fit and usually the right finish about the people.
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So you know, Kobe and J.
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B and the people were surrounded with, like, I really believed in who they were.
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As people now of course, none of us could predict what was gonna happen with the pandemic.
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And even with, you know, this summer of of you know, the movement going on for for social justice.
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But to see them kind of go about, you know, their jobs, their responsibilities every day is it's really inspirational, inspirational.
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And to be honest, we don't have a regular 9 to 5 job.
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And so, in order to do this thing while you have to feel connected to people you know in who they are and their character and their mission, and so it's been great for me just to be that connected to J.
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B and Kobe and believe in what they're about off the court, on the court on, it's been pretty cool.
00:21:00
I've also been so impressed with the whole calves organization from the top down.
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I mean, even the stuff that we've done sort of not just the basketball team part, but like the you know, the business aspect that the people put you know, uh, the calves and monsters and charged together like they've been very progressive on this on the city of Cleveland, and I'm just really proud to be part of it and played my sport.
00:21:22
My small part, definitely.
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They've also, from what I've seen from afar, done a really good job with combating the Corona virus and combat and not being invited to the bubble of even a handful of guys you know, kind of rejected to go back to their hometowns and just stayed local.
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And we're practicing, went, allowed in social distancing, wearing masks, everything like that.
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You're in the building, you're there.
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What's that been like? And how What does that say? I guess about the organization that these guys were willing to put in that work even though they weren't invited to compete this year.
00:21:53
Well, I think you know, JB set a really good tone, and we weren't happy to not be included in Orlando.
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We kind of set the mindset that any party, so to speak, the NBA's having.
00:22:02
We want to be a part of it.
00:22:03
But that's the playoffs, you know, in the future or anything that, you know is is the pinnacle of, you know, the league that we're in.
00:22:11
And so we took it with a little bit of a competitive fire and at the same time we understood.
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We said, This is our situation.
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We have to make the best of it.
00:22:18
So the Cavs organization it, Really? I mean, they really are about taking care of the players, the betterment, betterment of players and sparing no expense to make it as safe and positive as possible.
00:22:28
So in order, you know, to be there and kind of see the on organization run at a high level and do the testing at a high level and the protocols, I mean, I feel safer in that building, that probably anywhere else.
00:22:41
You know, because we get, you know, we get tested and you know, there's intense cleaning going on, and everyone's really followed the the Protocols and like you mentioned to see so many guys show up on a voluntary basis and and, yeah, they want to get the working.
00:22:56
But they could get the work in anywhere.
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It's more that they wanted to be back together and kind of, you know, touch each other.
00:23:02
You know, not literally, but figuratively kind of be around each other and you think about this.
00:23:06
We all as part of teams have been around the group pretty much every single day, of my life for, you know, how many years and then to have that cut off for six months.
00:23:15
It's hard and you feel the poll from everyone.
00:23:18
You know that the chemistry was really building under JB, and you feel the poll from everyone wanting to continue that in whatever way the leave will allow us.
00:23:26
And so that's it's been need to see that.
00:23:28
I know the Cavs really wanted to be invited.
00:23:31
You talked about it.
00:23:32
I know Kobe has talked to it almost ad nauseum, and it has proven to be a valuable experience for young teams.
00:23:39
Look at what the Phoenix Suns were able to dio and their run there.
00:23:43
What do you think in experience? A bubble like invite could have done for the Cavs? Well, I think it's a two part right.
00:23:49
The first thing is, you know, we have a bunch of young players who the more practices and the more games they play.
00:23:56
That's really the best way for them to get better.
00:23:58
Certainly, skill work.
00:23:59
An individual work you know, is one way.
00:24:01
But there's nothing like playing against the other best players in the world and an MBA environment for Colin and Darius and you know, KP and Dylan, you know, being healthy, finally andare The young guys certainly would have served us well on the court.
00:24:16
And hopefully, you know, would have kind of kept their progression going.
00:24:19
But also, you know, being in a bubble and not really having anyone else there except your team, you're forced to spend, you know, a lot of time together.
00:24:28
So I think those were the two areas that we felt a little bit slighted that wouldn't get up that opportunity.
00:24:33
But you also go, you know? Okay, you get a play, the heck out of the cards you're dealt.
00:24:38
And so that's, you know, we stopped kind of being sad about it after a minute and got so Okay, well, what can we dio? Um And we've been able to you do some things virtually with connection with guys.
00:24:50
It's of leadership training with the young guys on the team who, you know, will end up being the cornerstones of this organization and also some team bonding.
00:24:59
And and then the in person stuff, I think, was really positive because you take you take that away for a while and I think there's a greater appreciation for what you have when everyone comes back together.
00:25:09
So a cool part about the bubble that I definitely wanted to ask you was the casualness of the coach dressing.
00:25:15
And I know you.
00:25:16
You had some jokes about that right when you got hired that you need to find 82 different outfits.
00:25:20
I had the privilege to cover some games this season, and you are always were dressed to the nines there.
00:25:26
What do you think? The odds.
00:25:27
We could see some casual coach this upcoming season. Maybe so.
00:25:31
You know, sweat pants or some joggers on Friday.
00:25:34
Like normal people get to do around.
00:25:35
I know we'll see it.
00:25:36
It's interesting.
00:25:37
I kind of I'm going to defer.
00:25:39
I think that's gonna come down to the head coaches in the league, the 30 of them and what they want to push for.
00:25:43
I imagine that I think you know J B would be on team jogger all the way if he could.
00:25:48
That's my guess is that that's what he would vote for but will be interesting to see coming out of the bubble.
00:25:52
If the coaches pushed for that.
00:25:54
You know jokingly said, Like it's funny, you know? There's obviously I think women are in the n b A to stay, and I think it's just the beginning.
00:26:00
But I joke that, you know, we're here and, um, you know, sort of wannabe treated like everyone else and respected.
00:26:08
But then also, there's times at which, you know, people forget we're not actually guys, and it does take longer than 20 minutes to get dressed before the game, and it is harder to pick out, you know, outfits not just switched the tie.
00:26:18
So I do have fun, you know, getting getting dressed up and doing something different, that I spend most of my life in sweats.
00:26:25
But I also think the casual sideline attire would be a lot easier on a lot of people s.
00:26:30
So we'll see what happens.
00:26:31
But you can tell those coaches enjoy wearing the polos and the joggers on the sideline and in Orlando.
00:26:38
I wonder how crazy they could get with it.
00:26:39
You know, like Bill Bella.
00:26:40
Check in the NFL. Just words.
00:26:42
The hoody with the sleeves.
00:26:44
Wonder how crazy they could get there.
00:26:45
So you talked a little bit about Darius and Colin, and you know what? They could have benefited in the bubble.
00:26:50
You were a guard at Brown.
00:26:53
What's that been like for you to see two young guys that the Cavs drafted back to back and spent a lot of draft capital on with those high picks? What's that been like for you to work with those two in particular? Well, one kind of incredible thing about the N B A.
00:27:07
Is that a lot of the time you know, assistant coaches spend is individually.
00:27:11
You kind of work closely with individual players because there's less group practice time.
00:27:15
And so I found that that individual connection, the ability to watch film to translate, you know what a guy needs to individually improve is really big in the NBA's.
00:27:24
That's been kind of fun to figure that out.
00:27:26
Those two guys in particular just they're incredible workers.
00:27:29
I mean, they want to be in the gym, they want to get better on.
00:27:32
And I think we started to see in those last 11 games after the All Star break, Uh, how they could, um, the synergy between them, how they could thrive, you know, Colin was scoring the ball and incredibly high clip in various.
00:27:46
You think about his upward trajectory.
00:27:48
He played four college games.
00:27:50
He wasn't, you know, even a one and done was for four games and done on then coming off of an injury.
00:27:55
So the way that his body transformed and you know, his ability, that kind of grasp is super high.
00:28:01
I Q.
00:28:02
I think we haven't seen yet exactly what they could do together.
00:28:05
You know, we know that that the size thing poses, you know, some things we gotta deal with defensive end.
00:28:10
But on the other hand, you know, you see, the mismatch is that it can create for other people, you know, when those two are in sync.
00:28:16
And I think that's what we're aiming towards like That's the high end of what it can be.
00:28:19
And we're still on that path toe, you know, figuring out how good we can get with those two in the back court, you know, Then you throw in.
00:28:26
You know, KP is in that same kind of young, youthful age, and he's bigger, and Dylan, you know, present something else, being, you know, a long wing, and so hopefully we can eventually throw some different looks at people.
00:28:39
But there's no question, you know, we expect Colin and there is to continue to improve individually and also as a as a backcourt together.
00:28:47
Definitely.
00:28:48
So I'd be remiss if I didn't ask.
00:28:49
You know, you had great success in college hoops.
00:28:52
You've already worked your way up the N B A sideline a little bit here in your first year in Cleveland.
00:28:58
Is the end goal to be the head coach on N B A sideline? Or is it just to see what what happens in to see where life takes you? Well, 20 Nick like that.
00:29:08
You asked.
00:29:09
I will say I have approached my career the whole time.
00:29:11
I'm 21 years now, coaching with never being like a step to an end goal.
00:29:17
I just I haven't thought that way.
00:29:18
I don't think it makes you successful in coaching.
00:29:20
When I was an assistant, I was never saying, you know, two more years and then I'll be a head coach.
00:29:26
And when I went to Santa Barbara's my first head coaching job, I wasn't like, OK, the clock is running till I go to a power five.
00:29:31
I just, I think it's such an all in type of job.
00:29:34
You have to be your feet after you plant it where you are for other things to emerge.
00:29:38
I will say this.
00:29:39
I did not leave Cow to come to the N b a saying You have to be an MBA head coach one day.
00:29:46
I just because there's no guarantee that that happens, you know? And so I had to come into it saying, I want to be an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
00:29:55
Ultimately did.
00:29:56
I really enjoyed being a head coach and and there are things about being a head coach that I missed.
00:30:00
But I think it makes me a better assistant having been a head coach, and I have so much more still to learn and get better at.
00:30:06
Would it be cool to be a head coach in the NBA one day? You know, certainly.
00:30:11
If that's what it feels like, it's going, you know, and if I would be deserving of that.
00:30:16
But, you know, I could be a head coach, you know, at a different level where I could stay and be assistant for a really long time.
00:30:22
If that feels right to I I don't I really don't have this, like timeframe an end goal.
00:30:27
But I do think sooner than later there will be, you know, a head coach in the NBA.
00:30:32
That's a a female, because why not, Right? I mean, I just the the kind of reasons not to are getting smaller and smaller at some point, you know, an ownership group or a GM as they're looking for who the best person is, they're gonna figure out in one time that it's that one person who happens to be female I don't know when that's gonna be, um I just you know, I do think it's going in that direction, and for me, I just want to be, you know, as good as I could be at what I'm doing and see where that goes.
00:31:02
And that's honestly such solid, like career advice in general, like leave coaching out of it like you should never go into something like only to two more years.
00:31:10
And then I could work my way up because that's only, you know, setting yourself up for disappointment, to not achieve what you're going in to do in the first place.
00:31:17
So So, Lindsay, we're so lucky to have you here.
00:31:21
I don't want to keep you on forever.
00:31:23
I know your your little son had his first day ever of school today, so that's awesome.
00:31:28
Thank you for coming on the show.
00:31:30
It was a whole lot of fun.
00:31:31
Where can people give you a follow? Teoh? Keep up with what you're doing.
00:31:35
Yeah, I'm on Twitter and Instagram.
00:31:38
So Coach Lindsay G on both of them.
00:31:41
It was Cal coach G for so long that I had toe Teoh think about that for a second.
00:31:46
But Coach Lindsay G on Twitter and on instagram and just really excited to be in Cleveland.
00:31:52
Can't wait Teoh start whatever is next.
00:31:55
We don't know when you'd be is gonna, you know, get going.
00:31:57
But this group that we have, I think it was special and that the progress that we're making is Israel.
00:32:02
Until we can't wait to get to do that in front of fans again.
00:32:04
Yeah, and we're excited to get to that rocket mortgage, field, house and watch.
00:32:08
Thank you so much.
00:32:09
Thanks for having me great stuff there from Cavs assistant coach Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:32:27
I feel like we're a lot smarter today, having heard from her super exciting man.
00:32:32
We're entering such weird times, especially with all these fires around the n b a after the bubble and teams are trying to figure out, you know, what steps to make next to better their organization.
00:32:44
And I think it's an exciting time to be a woman in the n b A.
00:32:47
Because, like she said, now, general managers and now ownership groups are going to start taking a peek at, Well, who is the best candidate, not who's the best male candidate, but who is the best candidate overall.
00:33:00
And I think that's gonna open up some really unique and creative opportunities.
00:33:04
We see it, you know, sometimes in the NFL, with certain type of philosophy.
00:33:08
Hires like, you know, say Sean McVeigh had a really good offense.
00:33:12
He was a young, offensive mind head coach, so that started a trickle down effect of everyone else trying to panic and higher.
00:33:18
Really young offense of minded coach is just like he was.
00:33:22
I think the same thing is bound to happen here in the n b a in a little bit, where it it just takes one for that glass ceiling to be broken, that first female head coach to be hired and then the rest of the G m.
00:33:34
Of course, it all comes down to the success, but the rest of the G M and the rest of the ownership groups air going to just follow suit, because that's how these things normally go.
00:33:42
So great stuff there from Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:33:45
I'm still bummed the Cavs didn't get that invite that they're not in the bubble, but I'll just have to sit on my hands and wait.
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But let's get into the newsman.
00:35:40
We're a few days away from Cleveland Browns kickoff on Tuesday.
00:35:44
We hear the breaking news from ESPN is Adam Schefter and plenty other to father follow.
00:35:49
The Cleveland Browns did, in fact, extend Kareem Hunt to a two year extension, keeping him in Cleveland for the next three years.
00:35:57
It's a 13.
00:35:58
5 million deal over the next 28 million of those dollars or guaranteed.
00:36:03
Here's what I have to say.
00:36:05
You're lacking up the best running back duo in the National Football League for the next two years, at minimum.
00:36:11
Already a big fan, already a big fan.
00:36:14
ESPN already put the article out there earlier this offseason when they were ranking position groups, that the Cleveland Browns have the best running back duo heading into this upcoming season.
00:36:23
I'm buying that Nick Chubb was robbed of the rushing title last year.
00:36:27
We know that we know that cream Hunt was suspended eight games.
00:36:30
We did not have the brightest head coach by any stretch of the imagination, and we didn't get to see those two at their peak at their capacity.
00:36:40
Here's what's something that's kind of crazy to me when I was getting my show notes.
00:36:44
Ready for today? Cream Hunt has only played in 35 NFL games.
00:36:49
A lot of that comes from the suspensions, and we know that that's the biggest part.
00:36:53
Probably off this contract is can't Kareem Hunt stay out of trouble? Because if he can't stay out of trouble and if he's being honest and truthful, that he's turned his life around? This is a great signing and another great extension for Andrew Berry and his is his general manager crew.
00:37:11
However, if he gets into more trouble and he can play less games than what we saw last year, that's big trouble for the Cleveland Browns.
00:37:18
Even though the only 8.
00:37:19
5 of its guaranteed cream hunt needs to be on the field for the Browns.
00:37:24
And we don't talk about Cream hunt enough, he doesn't get enough love in this city.
00:37:28
We spent so much time talking about Odell Beckham Jr and Jarvis Landry, Baker, Mayfield.
00:37:33
We're not talking about a guy that rushed for 30 1800 yards plus in his rookie season.
00:37:40
Ah, guy that last year when he came in the offense was clicking tremendously well.
00:37:44
Baker trusted him as a check down from Day one, but instead were arguing over.
00:37:48
Could Errol Hodge and Jo Jo Nats in.
00:37:51
And who's gonna be the Cleveland Browns fifth and six wide receiver on the team? I think that's foolish.
00:37:55
I think we're looking at a team this year, and we're so excited about Baker.
00:38:00
He Baker is the number one.
00:38:01
Pick him and Stefanski play action wide zone offense.
00:38:05
The receivers are gonna be wide open.
00:38:07
It's gonna be those big Chunk plays down the center of the field like we're hoping for last season with Freddie Kitchens and Todd Monken air in that ball out.
00:38:16
Yeah, football, baby, but I think where I think we're mistaken, I think we're completely off base when we think like that is Browns fans because in my opinion, Cream Hunt is the guy on the team that has the big playability.
00:38:32
This is a guy that averaged 7.
00:38:35
7 yards per catch.
00:38:37
That's tremendous, 4.
00:38:38
2 yards per rush, Tremendous.
00:38:41
This is a guy that's going to move the chains for your football team and keep that football out of the other offenses hands.
00:38:48
That's gonna be so important, and we're gonna get to that when we get to our keys to beating the Baltimore Ravens in a second.
00:38:54
I just think Andrew Barry here is doing a phenomenal job.
00:38:58
The Browns have always had a run first identity, and I wrote about this this week. You could read it.
00:39:04
My latest on fan sides. Dog pound daily.
00:39:07
It's on my Twitter at Nick. Put on 12 of course.
00:39:09
Always tweet the show at Padoan. My take.
00:39:11
I love to hear what you think about the cream hunt signing.
00:39:13
Talk to you a little bit on there after the show.
00:39:17
My thing with the with the Cleveland Browns are.
00:39:19
There have always been a run happy team.
00:39:21
We saw it last year where Freddie tried to come in and try to throw the ball 50 times a game and even had the position players throwing the ball.
00:39:30
And it wasn't working.
00:39:32
Jim Brown, Kevin Mack, Earnest Byner.
00:39:35
How I'll even throw a couple games of Peyton Hillis in there.
00:39:39
What all those guys have in common.
00:39:40
They're all running backs, and they all won games in a Cleveland Browns uniform.
00:39:44
That's because Cleveland is just a running back city.
00:39:47
I don't know what it is about it.
00:39:49
Cleveland, Ohio thrives off the run game where a blue collar, hardworking city like the running back position we happen to play in the A F C North, which is infamous for the rain snow games at the end of the year that thrive on the tales of the running back.
00:40:05
It's just who Cleveland is were run first identity.
00:40:09
So what I hope is that on Sunday, the Browns don't trout out there against the Baltimore Ravens and air the ball out 30 times in the first quarter.
00:40:16
Like what we saw with Freddie Kitchens last year because there's no sense in doing that.
00:40:20
You have the best running back tandem in the NFL.
00:40:23
You have an offense that as much as wide zone is going to help Baker.
00:40:28
It's gonna help Nick Chubb.
00:40:29
It's gonna help Cream Hunt have some gaps in there to shoot through.
00:40:33
And I think that's gonna be the most exciting piece of this team, and nobody's talking about it because we're all bent into arguing about thes 4th and 5th receivers, and I think we're a little bit silly for doing that.
00:40:45
So moving forward, I think Andrew Berry has done a fantastic job.
00:40:50
I think Andrew Berry is playing some four d chest with us right now in terms of setting the market and getting in front of these deals, right.
00:40:59
I tweeted earlier this week that he has the perfect hybrid between the Stones of John Dorsey, the co****s that John Dorsey had in both his drafting in his free agency and trade approach, as well as the brain of Sashi Brown.
00:41:13
To manage this money and to trade and gather those assets when it's smart and ones needed.
00:41:18
It's the perfect hybrid between the two.
00:41:20
We saw the courage going out there, sigh in Austin, Hooper to sign Jack Conklin to make that trade for one of the best full backs in the league and Andy Jankovich to help his head coach exceed.
00:41:30
And then we saw the brain side of it come in.
00:41:33
He traded down a couple of times in the draft.
00:41:36
That's giving us more picks for next season, and, more importantly, he's getting ahead of these contracts.
00:41:41
He did it earlier this summer when he hopped in front of the Myles Garrett situation.
00:41:45
Obviously, Miles had two years left on that five year first overall pick.
00:41:50
Rookie contract Andrew Berry said, Hey, we're going to just put these negotiations aside.
00:41:55
We're gonna pay here, and it already is working out.
00:41:58
It doesn't matter how Miles does on the field because it's already panning out.
00:42:01
He's not even the highest paid defensive player anymore.
00:42:04
Joy Boza passed him up like two weeks later, and after Nick Boza plays another year or two, I'd hate to see what that payday looks like.
00:42:12
So he's giving these guys, you know, in a sense hometown discount.
00:42:17
And he just did the same thing and re signing Kareem Hunt, who he knows.
00:42:21
Cream hunts from Cleveland Cream Hunt put in a statement that he wanted to be a Brown.
00:42:25
It was his lifetime dream toe wear the brown and orange, and now he's here for three more seasons at minimum, and he's doing it on a budget $13 million over two years.
00:42:36
What more you can you ask for? The guy is a borderline genius.
00:42:39
I know we said the same thing about John Dorsey, and I know it's so easy to say, Oh, it's different this time I feel it.
00:42:46
I forget the word that they kept using, not chemistry alignment.
00:42:50
The Browns.
00:42:51
Jimmy has Lim and J. W.
00:42:53
Johnson, in searching for the next head coach and general manager, kept saying Alignment.
00:42:57
And I truly do feel that for the first time in my life as a Browns fan, the team is a line.
00:43:04
I feel like we have smart people making the decisions.
00:43:07
And the one knock on Andrew Berry wasn't.
00:43:09
I knocked him for this plenty as well, because we saw this with the Sashi regime is, Well, the guy didn't play football.
00:43:16
He's not really a football guy.
00:43:18
He doesn't really come from a big coaching general manager.
00:43:21
Tree of football guys.
00:43:23
You know, Freddie had Bruce Arians in front of them and a bunch of a bunch of historic coaches.
00:43:29
You know, he coached Matt Ryan.
00:43:32
You are.
00:43:33
He coached all Carson Palmer in Arizona and stuff like that in Andrew Berry.
00:43:37
Kevin Stefanski.
00:43:38
They haven't been like that.
00:43:39
It's it's nerve racking, but they are football guys.
00:43:42
They've proven that already.
00:43:43
So if things don't go according to plan, I don't want to hear the excuse will.
00:43:47
We didn't have football guys at the home because we clearly do.
00:43:50
They clearly went into this offseason, signed the best right tackle in the but best tight end on the market, and then they were able to extend two of the best football players on the current team.
00:44:01
So there's no question in my mind that these guys know football they do.
00:44:05
That's the basic facts.
00:44:07
So I'm just excited about it and let's get it right into it.
00:44:10
Because Browns Ravens 1 p.m.
00:44:13
On Sunday in the big crab cake off Maryland.
00:44:17
Here's something that doesn't sit right with me and, ah, have to hit up my buddies at my bookie about this one.
00:44:22
Vegas has the Browns at a 7.
00:44:24
5 point road dog.
00:44:28
7.5 points in the NFL.
00:44:30
Seems a little bit ridiculous to me.
00:44:32
I don't know about you guys.
00:44:33
Tweet the show at Nick Pinon.
00:44:35
12. Ah, appetite on my take.
00:44:37
Maybe I'm completely off base here, but to me rarely 7.
00:44:41
5 point, that means they have to win by eight in the NFL.
00:44:45
I mean, in college that happens all the time and then basketball that happens all the time, so I'll give you both of those.
00:44:51
But in the NFL, an eight point spread is a little bit ridiculous.
00:44:54
I think Stefanski easily covers that.
00:44:57
It's gonna be a really tough game for the Browns, and I had such a hard time to thinking about what my take was going to be on this game going into this podcast tonight, to be completely honest with you, I sat down.
00:45:09
I read as much as I could.
00:45:11
I read up on the Ravens.
00:45:12
Obviously, I've been keeping up on the Browns.
00:45:14
I went back and watched the Week four game last year where the Browns were able to succeed.
00:45:19
And here's my big take away is everything we've heard about the NFL season is that the start of the year is going to be slapped.
00:45:28
It's there's no preseason games, no O.
00:45:31
T.
00:45:32
A's shortened training camp Browns have a rookie head coach.
00:45:35
It's gonna be a rocky, messy start to the season that benefits the Browns.
00:45:42
As if Kevin Stefanski is as smart and as organized as he's cracked up to be.
00:45:47
And as smart as I believe that he is from seeing what he's done so far.
00:45:52
I think that benefits the Browns.
00:45:54
I think the Browns will thrive off of messy and sloppy football going into Week one, because that's how they're gonna have to win this game.
00:46:02
We know the Ravens have the reigning M v P.
00:46:05
They won this division last year.
00:46:07
They're the second favorite odds in this FC conference.
00:46:11
To go out there and make the Super Bowl, we know that those are the facts, but a slap.
00:46:17
Your game helps the Browns because that's all they can do.
00:46:20
All they can do is run the ball and keep it away from Lamar Jackson. That's all I ask.
00:46:24
Go out there handed to Nick Chubb.
00:46:26
Let that play clock run down to six or seven, snap it and have Nick Chubb er, Cream Hunt right at your hip again to hand it off.
00:46:34
And I think Baker's gonna have an okay game because he played decently well against Baltimore the first time, however, it's gonna be Slappy.
00:46:42
The offense isn't all the way installed. JC Treader.
00:46:45
You're starting center who's a veteran is a game time decision.
00:46:49
If he doesn't play, you're gonna have a rookie mid round pick starting at center.
00:46:53
We already know your left tackle is a rookie and he's gonna be there all year, so you already have that working against you.
00:46:59
A sloppy game on Sunday helps the Browns as low scoring as possible.
00:47:04
As much as a defense of mashes humanly can be.
00:47:07
I am worried about the linebackers, but a sloppier type of game with no pressure, no fans.
00:47:13
It's not gonna feel like a road game, you know, if things were a mess and it's 77 going into halftime like these F C North Games sometimes get in the brunt of winter.
00:47:25
I think that helps the Browns because you have to keep that ball away from Lamar Jackson.
00:47:30
You have to keep it away from their run happy scheme because they're going to try to do it.
00:47:34
They're going to try to run all over the field, just like Kevin's defense.
00:47:38
You did in Minnesota, though, you need to slow the game down.
00:47:40
You need to be the one that controls the pace, and that's how you're gonna win this football game.
00:47:45
So do they win? I'm not sure it's a tough game that the team that we're going up again.
00:47:50
It's just such a tough draw.
00:47:51
The NFL does this to us every year.
00:47:53
That's why we haven't won in opener since 2004.
00:47:56
Not the only reason.
00:47:57
But, man, it seems like we haven't had an easy start to this season.
00:47:59
And forever, obviously.
00:48:01
Last week, the Browns be Baltimore Week four.
00:48:05
They did.
00:48:06
So the score halftime was 10 to 7.
00:48:08
If you're gonna win this week and needs to be a similar deal, and it needs to be, ah, low scoring defensive affair, even though I am slightly worried about that diva looking a little bit ahead, obviously, Baltimore is gonna be a tough one.
00:48:22
You got the Bengals and the Washington football team next to up to must win games.
00:48:27
In my opinion, even if you beat Baltimore, start off the season three and oh, against those easier type teams and man, this city is going to have a heartbeat like we haven't felt about our football team in a long time.
00:48:40
It's going to have 2016 LeBron Cavs championship vibes all over again, and I can't wait for and I think it's possible because I think if you win this Baltimore game, and you glance ahead of that schedule a little bit.
00:48:58
If you could just get past these Ravens, that locker room is going to be believed.
00:49:04
They haven't done this since 2004 and they know it.
00:49:08
And the last time they did it was against the Baltimore Ravens, and obviously there's nobody on that team that was there in 2004.
00:49:14
But Jarvis knows.
00:49:15
Odell knows.
00:49:16
Baker knows Miles knows that.
00:49:18
If you can go out there and thump the division champs in Week one, you got the Cincinnati Bengals at home in prime time on a short week against a rookie quarterback on Thursday Night Football.
00:49:37
Say what you will, but I like my odds.
00:49:39
I like my chances there, and that's all I'll say about that.
00:49:42
I'm looking forward to Sunday.
00:49:43
I'm so pumped.
00:49:45
Everybody put a let's go browns in the chant.
00:49:47
Here we go, brownies.
00:49:48
Here we go.
00:49:50
It's gonna be a fun season.
00:49:51
You know, the Corona virus and everything that's going with that I'm just so happy that we're finally here.
00:49:57
There was a time where people on Twitter were so negative, with everything with college football and everything with the, you know, cancellation dating back to March badness and the NBA's return and hockey and the struggles that baseball were having early on.
00:50:12
Everybody was pointing their fingers at Roger in the NFL, saying, Hey, buddy, how you gonna pull this off? You got 53 guys on a team, You're a contact sport.
00:50:21
He knew it.
00:50:22
Roger knew it.
00:50:23
We have football back on Thursday, and I couldn't be more excited.
00:50:27
What a great game that's gonna be.
00:50:29
By the way, Chiefs and Taxes.
00:50:31
Whoa, that's gonna be offensive affair, and I'm looking forward to it.
00:50:35
So let's finally wrap this bad boy up because it's already time for our play of the week presented by my guys.
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We got a small play of the week, a medium play of the week and a large play of the week.
00:51:11
So we're looking at a team or athlete or anyone else that missed the mark, that we're somewhere in the middle and that hit the mark.
00:51:19
For example, say Doc Rivers has a really bad we coaching.
00:51:23
He will be the small play of the week.
00:51:26
For example, say LeBron James has a 40 point triple double in the Finals, which he's very capable of doing, and I think he will do very soon.
00:51:34
He is going to be the big play of the week, so let's get right into it without further ado are small play of the week.
00:51:41
Daryl Morey, the general manager of the Houston Rockets.
00:51:44
Congratulations, sir.
00:51:45
You are the small play of the week, but he has no center on his team.
00:51:50
Oh, no center at all.
00:51:52
Tuesday night Ah, the Rockets got smashed against the Los Angeles Lakers.
00:51:57
It was, ah, close game all the way through, but at the end it was just too much.
00:52:00
LeBron too much a D uh, Rockets get completely outplayed in the fourth quarter by Rajan Rondo of all people.
00:52:08
Pretty unbelievable.
00:52:09
If you ask me, the Lakers spring out.
00:52:11
Ah, hilarious line up against the Houston Rockets off nearly all you know, seven footers. They have LeBron.
00:52:18
They had Morris and they had Anthony Davis on the floor at the same time, and Mike D'Antoni and the Houston Rockets pretty much should have just curled up in a ball and cried because from there on out, it was over for them.
00:52:30
I know, I know.
00:52:31
Small ball.
00:52:32
Is there a deal? I get it.
00:52:33
I get.
00:52:34
That's the way the N B A is leaning towards.
00:52:35
I get that the Golden State Warriors changed the game forever.
00:52:38
It's a super smart way to go about playing the game because it creates mismatch disasters in situations.
00:52:45
You can't do this all the time and expected to work is just silly.
00:52:49
It's impish.
00:52:50
I can't believe that they really went through the trade debt Well, First they went through the offseason, and then they went through the trade deadline without having a bonified center on their roster at all.
00:53:03
All they did was say Oh, we're gonna have P.
00:53:05
J.
00:53:06
Tucker Place center, but I get P. J.
00:53:08
Tucker place hard.
00:53:09
I get it. He's a hustle.
00:53:10
Matthew DellaVedova Anderson Varejao type of guy.
00:53:13
He scored six points and six rebounds on average throughout the length of his career, and he is now being expected to play very meaningful N B A playoff minutes in a high pressure environment against one of the greatest, if not the greatest basketball player of all time in LeBron James and one of the best second fiddle players, probably ever in Anthony Davis.
00:53:35
That's you, P.
00:53:36
J.
00:53:37
Tucker.
00:53:38
And that's you, more importantly, Daryl Morey, because you set the guy up to be in this board situation where he's out there, no man's land stranded by himself, trying Teoh defend these future Hall of Fame Biggs.
00:53:51
And he has no chance.
00:53:52
I get that the Siri's is only 21 But let's be honest with ourselves.
00:53:56
Let's look each other in the eye here and say the Houston Rockets are not, and we're never going to defeat the Los Angeles Lakers in LeBron James.
00:54:05
That's just silly.
00:54:06
Who on that team in a Game seven is going to guard LeBron James, who in that team in a Game seven is going to guard Anthony Davis.
00:54:14
I have no idea, because they have not shown me that that they're capable of doing that.
00:54:19
And this offseason, I don't know what's gonna happen in Houston because it's ugly scene over there, your head coaches incompetent.
00:54:27
He's old man that refuses to make any changes.
00:54:29
Your best player is a silly, goofy hack that does nothing but flail around in its first free throws, even from the three point line at any measure necessary, whether it's kicking his feet out, falling down, you name it, he does it, and your collective offensive unit is just chucking threes, *****ing and moaning.
00:54:48
A until you until you get your way.
00:54:50
That's not championship basketball, and it's never going to be.
00:54:53
So That's my take on the Houston Rockets.
00:54:55
I'm excited to see what happens to him this offseason because I've already written them off against these Los Angeles Lakers and ah yeah, Durham or you're the small play the weekend.
00:55:04
You should start looking towards next year, buddy, because that's all you got going for you right now.
00:55:08
My medium play of the week is Novak Djokovic.
00:55:11
Let's talk some tennis year.
00:55:13
I'm a big tennis guy.
00:55:14
It's a fun fact that you guys probably don't know about me.
00:55:17
If you're into tennis, even if you're not tweet the show at Nick Don't 12.
00:55:20
That Padoan might take.
00:55:21
So this week Novak Djokovic hits the line judge from behind them with a tennis ball after being frustrated with a call.
00:55:29
This obviously blew up on Twitter, is a huge deal.
00:55:31
Over the weekend, he pretty much smacks the ball on the ground and, like, hits it towards the back like the backstop, the back wall where the line judge stands.
00:55:40
And typically what happens there is it will hit the wall and fall to the ground, and then one of the little ball kids or one of the ball guys, whoever's working that match, this is the U.
00:55:48
S.
00:55:49
Open, by the way, scatters over and picks up the ball and runs back to the site.
00:55:52
Well, in this off incident, he hits the ball out of frustration.
00:55:56
So we did hit it kind of hard, and it hits the Lady square in the throne now, naturally, how things tend to go in 2020.
00:56:03
The lady makes a gigantic scene out of it.
00:56:06
She starts holding their throat like Freddy Krueger just slitter with one of her Wolverine claws.
00:56:11
She's rolling all over the ground, wailing and moaning, and obviously Novak Djokovic is running over there, like in despair, trying to make sure this lady is okay.
00:56:21
And he didn't like Spike in that, you know, he didn't hit a full on forehand at her.
00:56:24
He just plopped it back.
00:56:26
Ah, frustrated plot backwards is what I would say.
00:56:31
Then he gets ejected.
00:56:32
That's where I say tennis.
00:56:33
Tennis misses the mark this week, and tennis is my medium play of the week because it was an accident.
00:56:39
He wasn't aiming for the line judge.
00:56:41
Go watch the video, and even then the line judge sold it.
00:56:45
She deserves the Emmy or Grammy for the performance that she put on in the U. S.
00:56:50
Open by falling to the ground like that.
00:56:52
That the tennis missed the Mark.
00:56:54
Novak is that one seed.
00:56:56
He's the reason people were tuning into the U.
00:56:58
S. Open this week.
00:57:00
It's obviously mid pandemic.
00:57:01
Tennis players, especially the top ones, make a good chunk of change in endor*****ts, and a lot of, um said I'm not risking it.
00:57:08
I'm sitting at home and I'm chilling with my family, not Novak, Novak said.
00:57:12
I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna play for the fans and try to win Miss String.
00:57:17
Try to win another Grand Slam title.
00:57:18
Tennis said No kicked him out, so that's kind of nonsense to me.
00:57:23
I was disgusted truthfully when I saw that he was disqualified.
00:57:26
Especially for that, I get that you have to give some sort of penalty, especially in a strict kind of behavioral sport like tennis.
00:57:34
I understand a point penalty.
00:57:36
I understand even ah, a game penalty if they had to switch sides or something when that happened.
00:57:41
But to disqualify him completely from the U.
00:57:44
S.
00:57:45
Open in the middle of a pandemic, when a lot of tennis fans were looking forward to watching him.
00:57:49
Tennis tennis really missed the mark to this week.
00:57:53
Let's get into it.
00:57:54
Let's get it to my big play of the week.
00:57:55
A guy that I'm super pumped about on a team that I'm super pumped about is Tyler hero man, I can't get enough of this kid, obviously, he's only averaged 13.
00:58:06
5 points in his rookie season.
00:58:08
He hasn't made the big waves that John Marantz and Zion Williamson have made throughout their young careers thus far.
00:58:15
Batistuta could play.
00:58:16
He's 20 years old and he's getting ready to play in his first ever conference finals.
00:58:21
Obviously, this week, the Miami Heat passed by the Milwaukee Bucks.
00:58:26
Four toe, one big questions are gonna be.
00:58:29
What's Johannes is future? My big question is, how legit is this Miami team? And how big of a wave can they make the that he were my pick going into the bubble.
00:58:40
If you missed any of that action, follow Pinon my take on Spotify on Apple podcasts and go listen through the rest of those episodes.
00:58:48
I'm I was big on the Miami Heat.
00:58:50
Tyler Heroes a perfect fit.
00:58:52
There he becomes the youngest player in N B. A history.
00:58:55
That's a first round draft pick I believe to play on N B A conference finals team.
00:59:01
LeBron was 22 when he did it.
00:59:03
Michael Jordan was 26 when he did it.
00:59:05
So, obviously, Tyler hero joints some super elite company there.
00:59:09
I love the guy He's an awesome player and I love the Miami Heat.
00:59:13
And I really hope they could roll through whatever comes of this next round and have a run at the N B A championship because they play great team basketball.
00:59:21
Obviously, they have stars in Jimmy Butler.
00:59:23
Bam! Out a bio gets better every game that he plays, but it's really the role players.
00:59:27
It's the Jae Crowder's of the world's The Tyler Heroes, the Duncan Robinson's that are really the reason to get excited about the Miami Heat.
00:59:35
And that's what makes them so exciting every time flicked them on.
00:59:37
So consider me on the Miami Heat bandwagon.
00:59:40
You know, Heat Nation.
00:59:42
Let's go.
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I'll be joined by the assistant coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers, Lindsay Gottlieb.
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From there, I'm going to tell you why Kareem Hunt is pivotal to the Cleveland Browns offense and why he could be the identity of the Cleveland Browns this season.
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We're gonna poke fun off Mike D'Antoni and those Houston Rockets get you guys ready for Browns Ravens on Sunday and give you all my takes throughout the rest of the world of sports.
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So buckle in because we've got a great show.
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Great interview today with Coach Gottlieb.
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You're not gonna want to miss that.
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So let's get right into it, right? I'm a big fan of this bubble.
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What the n.
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Ba has going on? I was skeptical of it like everyone else was at the start.
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I was unsure if it was going toe work, Were the players going to buy in even dating back to when the idea was proposed? You know, Is LEBRON really gonna be cool with being away from his family and from his friends and from his clutch crew for that long And being in some hotel in Orlando with nothing to dio it is working perfectly.
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And we know that we know that the krona virus and everything going on with that, you know, no positive tests since July.
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And even then, I think the one positive was false.
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But I think what has impressed me so much about this bubble and I'm gonna get into this with Coach Lindsay Gottlieb here in a second is the competitive play we have seen.
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Ah, level of competitive play that we haven't seen an n b a playoffs, maybe ever.
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And I feel like, Ah, big part of that is the oncoming stars that have emerged onto the scene this season.
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Right? First season, first playoff series.
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We see Luca Don Church in the Dallas Mavericks.
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Outstanding Siri's last series.
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We got Denver Nuggets, another outstanding Siri's with young players that are working the ranks then you don't even factor into the playoffs, right? How about just the bubble in general? In the play in tournament, The play in games The Phoenix Suns were America's team there for a week.
00:05:07
When I was on vacation, Devin Booker was raining threes. They were undefeated.
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They were unstoppable.
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The bubble is posing a perfect situation for young teams without a bona fide superstar to succeed.
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It's It's an environment where a team like the Cavs could have gotten invited and done fairly well because it's the perfect team building environments.
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And again, we're going to get into this with Coach Gottlieb here in about three minutes.
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It's perfect because you have nowhere else to go, but the hotel, your whole life at this moment in time in 2020.
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If you're one of those teams in the bubble, whether in the playoffs now or whether it was when you first got invited to Orlando to Disney, your one goal and your one mindset and everything around you and everyone around you is basketball.
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That's all there is is basketball and I feel like a team like the Cavs, with young players like Collin ***ton with various Garland Kevin Porter, Dylan, Wendler? We haven't even seen yet.
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It would benefit a team like the Cavs, so so much to be only around each other with their brand new head coach, their brand new coaching staff and figure out how to win.
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That's what we've seen with these other teams.
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They've learned how toe win we saw it with.
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You know, the Lakers syriza little bit.
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Portland was able to hang in there and they were a fun story.
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You know, we've seen it with the Denver Nuggets, who I've been high on the Miami Heat, who we're gonna talk about at the end of the show today have been on an absolute terror.
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And I think that all comes from the fact that these guys don't have other things going on there not being pulled in a million different directions because their life at this current moment is basketball.
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And I think the Cavs need that, and I'm looking forward to seeing the step that the Cavs take next season at as the N B A playoffs go on tonight and as the draft was announced for, I believe November 17th today, there will be a time where we get to see Cavaliers basketball again in the near future because these months air roaring right past us, I believe in my heart of hearts that we will get to see calves basketball again.
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But after having the conversation that I had with Coach Gottlieb, my big take away from the interview that you're about to hear is I.
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I think that the Cavs really could have used this bubble performance, and it really could have let the team take the next step in their development and in this post LeBron era that we are always hear so much about.
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So let's get right into that interview because joining put on my take right now is the first ever women's head coach to make that transition to the N B A from NC Double A.
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She coached the one women's hoops for over 10 years and now sits right next to J B Bickerstaff on that Cavs bench.
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Here she is to tuck some nb A to talk some Cleveland Cavaliers, ladies and gentlemen, none other than Lindsay Gottlieb.
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Okay, so joining me now from Cleveland, Ohio, is the assistant coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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Lindsay got leave.
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Lindsay Thanks for joining the.
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So how are your coach? Thanks for having me.
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I'm I'm good.
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Glad to be here and connected some Cleveland folks.
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Oh, awesome. There.
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Trust me, they're very happy to have you and very happy to hear you on the show today.
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So let's get started right from the beginning.
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If you're cool with that, you attended an Ivy League school like both of your parents.
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You played basketball yourself.
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Talk to me a little bit about how you fell in love with the game and where things all began.
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Well, going all the way back to the beginning right off the bat.
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Um, so I earliest memories of childhood I just always was in love with not just basketball, but all sports having three older siblings, but in particular and older brother, that was really into baseball and basketball.
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And he was eight years older than me on I was follow him around and I want to be part of it.
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And I remember our dinner table conversations were either about sports or somebody's case because they're a bunch of lawyers in the family s.
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I just kind of grew up, uh, really, Just around sports.
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I think when I was super little, I wanted to be the shortstop for the New York Yankees and, you know, played everything.
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And then it wasn't until probably high school that I focused mainly on basketball.
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Um, I think was the sport.
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I love the best, and probably that I was best at and ended up going to play at Brown.
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Um, and while I was in college, I decided I wanted to go into coaching and just that's been the story ever since, for sure.
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So let's talk a little bit about that time coaching.
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I'll let you brag a lot about your time at Cal.
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It was super successful, and you've also worked with Joe and Boil, whose legendary women's basketball coach talked to me about sort of in a sense of working those rants and working below Coach Boyle and becoming the head coach of Cal and having all the success that you had there.
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What was that like for you? Well, I think that you know the coaching profession.
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It's so interesting because there isn't one protocol.
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There isn't one path.
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There's a lot of ways to do it.
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And for me, I realized while I was in college that I want to coach.
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I knew that probably the career in the professional ranks wasn't gonna happen.
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And so my senior year at Brown, I told my coaches that I wanted to coach, and they allowed me to kind of work in the office.
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Almost two and an internship while I was playing, which was need, uh, and that winter we were there over winter break.
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Just the athletes.
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There's not much to do on.
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So I sent out a letter to all 350 Division one basketball.
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Coach is saying, You know, this is who I am.
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I'm graduating in a few months.
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I want a coach and it's pretty cool.
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I got letters back from Pat Summitt and tar of interviewer and some, you know, a lot of different people, most of them saying, Hey, I don't have a job for you, but, you know, stay with it.
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Um, and ultimately I did get my first job at Syracuse right after I graduated.
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Well, my best friend from high school had was a terrific player.
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She was an all American on, ended up playing at Duke, so one of her assistant coaches was joined Boyle, who you mentioned a couple years later.
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I had been at Syracuse for two years and at the University of New Hampshire for a year, and then Joanne left Duke to become the head coach of the University of Richmond and asked me to come along with her on.
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At that time, I was 24.
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I remember I needed toe get a note from the athletic director when I went out recruiting so I could rent a car and not pay the under 25 fee on Joanne.
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Let me really have a lot of ownership of that program with her, Um, got to do a lot of things from, you know, running the offense to recruiting to all the things that kind of go go into starting a program.
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Eso from for me working for a first time, had Coats.
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Join had been a long time assistant.
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A Duke was just a terrific opportunity in my career, and then we did well at Richmond.
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She took the job at Khao.
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I got the chance to go out to cow with her and now sort of do the same thing, but at a higher level and then, you know, a couple years later, I was head coach at Santa Barbara and then back at Cow.
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So that was my path.
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So fast.
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Forward to today.
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You've been in Cleveland for about a year now, with us with the Cavaliers.
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What has been the best part of your time living here in Cleveland and would have been some of the weird, nuanced challenges of transitioning from women's college hoops to the N B. A.
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Well, I don't think this year has been, you know, typical in any shape of the word, obviously, because of a huge transition from, you know, West Coast.
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East Coast women's basketball demands college to pro, but then throw in, you know, a coaching change in a pandemic.
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And, uh, it was just kind of a little bit more than I expected.
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But we love Cleveland.
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I would say, Gosh, what I love the best.
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Clearly the job, you know, and and being in the n B A is just It's not lost on me.
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What an incredible league it is and just sort of the the most elite level of basketball and getting Teoh you know, think the game all the time, talk the game, just find ways to help make this organization better.
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That that's what drives me, and it's been an incredible experience.
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On top of that, we really like Cleveland.
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I mean, people are like, Oh, you left leaving the Bay area But I think you know my husband.
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I believe Cleveland's a hidden gem.
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The fact they've kind of been sheltering in place and quarantine for six months probably has allowed us to get to know the city more quickly.
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I feel like we've lived here more than a year in that sense.
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So I would say Those are the best things that the craziest things I mean the most.
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The most sort of straightforward thing is that, yeah, Coach women's college basketball for 20 years.
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So the biggest transition for me was not coaching men.
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It was more the rhythm of everything.
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You know, I know the college rhythm like the back of my hand. You.
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When do you take a day off? When you start prepping for a game, when do you practice hard when you reel it in? But the n B A.
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That rhythm with 82 games and not that much practice time.
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I just took a little bit for me to kind of catch my my rhythm with that, Um And then, of course, you have a season got got shut down.
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So still adjusting to that.
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But the guys were incredible.
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There was not a lot of difference to me in dealing with men than dealing with women.
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It's where you're dealing with the most elite.
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So there's more similarities between these guys toe the pros that I coached a cow, I would say, because the mind said this similar.
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I know Kobe Altman has done a really good job in Cleveland, kind of working through player development and building through the draft.
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And I know as an assistant coach you have a pretty big hand in working with those guys.
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What were the what were those conversations like with Kobe Altman? And how did you get in touch with him? Teoh come to Cleveland and to work with young players like something that you're used to doing already in college? Yeah, I think that was what was so moving to me about the situation.
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Uh, had some connections in the n b.
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A.
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And, you know, with the with the way that things have gone relative to women.
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I was having more conversations with NBA people about what the next 5 to 10 years might look like for one in the n b A.
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But most of the conversations were about how to get young people involved.
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Hey, do have any players who might be interested? That type of thing will.
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Kobe came at it.
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A mutual friend connected us and said, Hey, you know, I think you'd really hit it off with Kobe. You know, he's progressive.
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He's young and smart and I thought it would just be maybe, you know, friendship or something down the line.
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Well, when he sat down with me, he said, We just hired Coach Bee Line and really were trying to create a staff that is about development and this kind of next phase of, you know, the Cavs organization.
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And he's like, I know I've studied what you've done.
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I know what you bring to the table, and we want you to be a part of that.
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We think you're skill set would add value, and that was just really different than what other you know and the other teams that had spoken to me about anything, and I was really intrigued by that, because I don't think people at that point I've been thinking about women.
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You know, we've been coaching for 20 years who have experience at one level on how can that translate.
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And so for me, I just focus every day on number one, being a great assistant to J.
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B.
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Bickerstaff into the organization, but also how to make Cleveland a place where young guys feel like they can better themselves and their career.
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And that's how we're gonna build through the draft of development through creating, you know, a narrative and free agency that that's what we're about, because it is what what we're about was that a daunting thought and a daunting few days or weeks.
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I'm sure when the offer was made like Holy Cow, I'm going to leave the place where I was so comfortable.
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I have had so much, so much success to come to a city that has again lost LeBron and have to do this all over again.
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Was that scary at all? Absolutely.
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I mean, it's is if you and I talked before was their first time chatting, I would say Daunting is an understatement, and it was really scary.
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But I in that time of sort of thinking about it, that scariness, that feeling off, you know, knowing you're gonna leave a comfort zone and go do something, you know, really different.
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Really exciting.
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But but hard was actually why I I kind of sat in that feeling for a little bit and why I ended up doing it.
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You remember one point my husband said, What do you want your legacy to be? You know, there's nothing.
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There was nothing wrong with staying at Cal for a really long time and, you know, felt a lot of just passion about that and impacting, you know, young women in student athletes.
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But the chance to sort of get out of my comfort zone, see if I could add value.
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This organization challenge myself.
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That's ultimately you know why I did it.
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And even since I've been here, it's It's easy isn't the word that I would use to describe it.
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It's been incredible, but but different and a new challenge, and I'm just really grateful for that and excited about continuing to grow into this role in bringing as much as I can to this organization.
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So in my opinion, you've honestly done a great job even by coaching men to empower women to show that women, especially younger women in sports, can do literally whatever they want in that glass ceiling is slowly starting to be broken.
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It's been a super hectic season.
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We've talked about that.
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Was there ever a moment throughout, were able to sit back and be like, Wow, this is pretty, you know, historic.
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This is pretty monumental when I decided to do and how it's going, especially after moving to the front of the bench after the coaching change there.
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I think that the neat thing about it is that once you're in it and it's such an intense job, right, we're with each other every single day and on airplanes and hotels and in the in the gym and stuff.
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The cool thing is that it actually became you.
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The way I was treated within the building and around there like it felt as normal as possible, right, like they all just, you know, treated me like I was someone else, and I do think that that type of representation matters, right? Like when young women see that that I am just part of the staff like everybody else, and was not just young women.
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You hope that you know, boys watching game.
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But also that the guys that I'm around us, it changes their mind set about.
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You can't really believe things can happen until you see it every day where I would get the wow, you know, this is kind of cool.
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Moment is when you know you're we're on the the court in Philly about to play the Sixers, and a woman who is sitting in the court side seats, you know, stops and says, Hey, and you know, what you're doing is really inspirational.
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Things like that are cool that you see the reach of the impact it has on on other people.
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So that is part of my motivation to do.
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It was because I know people have to do things in order for other you know, younger generations to believe they can be done.
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But I also recognize that just doing my job well on a day to day basis is what is going toe actually open doors for other people down there would have to be good at the job in order for it to impact other people.
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As much as I have pasta, you can.
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For sure, Kobe and Jamie have also done a fantastic job with inclusion in this really weird time.
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Not only are we battling Corona virus, we're also dealing with the social injustice that's happening all over.
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They launched the hashtag Be the Solution campaign injunction with the calves and the tribe.
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How great of leaders have JB and Kobe been behind the scenes in these do meetings with these guys? In troubling times where they see their peers in Orlando boycotting games because of the brutality that are happening toe, you know, their own people in their own cities.
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I mean, it's really unbelievable and remarkable.
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And to be honest with you, um, I wasn't just gonna jump it any job in the n.
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B A.
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I was only gonna come to a place where I felt like it was the right fit and usually the right finish about the people.
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So you know, Kobe and J.
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B and the people were surrounded with, like, I really believed in who they were.
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As people now of course, none of us could predict what was gonna happen with the pandemic.
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And even with, you know, this summer of of you know, the movement going on for for social justice.
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But to see them kind of go about, you know, their jobs, their responsibilities every day is it's really inspirational, inspirational.
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And to be honest, we don't have a regular 9 to 5 job.
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And so, in order to do this thing while you have to feel connected to people you know in who they are and their character and their mission, and so it's been great for me just to be that connected to J.
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B and Kobe and believe in what they're about off the court, on the court on, it's been pretty cool.
00:21:00
I've also been so impressed with the whole calves organization from the top down.
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I mean, even the stuff that we've done sort of not just the basketball team part, but like the you know, the business aspect that the people put you know, uh, the calves and monsters and charged together like they've been very progressive on this on the city of Cleveland, and I'm just really proud to be part of it and played my sport.
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My small part, definitely.
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They've also, from what I've seen from afar, done a really good job with combating the Corona virus and combat and not being invited to the bubble of even a handful of guys you know, kind of rejected to go back to their hometowns and just stayed local.
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And we're practicing, went, allowed in social distancing, wearing masks, everything like that.
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You're in the building, you're there.
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What's that been like? And how What does that say? I guess about the organization that these guys were willing to put in that work even though they weren't invited to compete this year.
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Well, I think you know, JB set a really good tone, and we weren't happy to not be included in Orlando.
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We kind of set the mindset that any party, so to speak, the NBA's having.
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We want to be a part of it.
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But that's the playoffs, you know, in the future or anything that, you know is is the pinnacle of, you know, the league that we're in.
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And so we took it with a little bit of a competitive fire and at the same time we understood.
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We said, This is our situation.
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We have to make the best of it.
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So the Cavs organization it, Really? I mean, they really are about taking care of the players, the betterment, betterment of players and sparing no expense to make it as safe and positive as possible.
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So in order, you know, to be there and kind of see the on organization run at a high level and do the testing at a high level and the protocols, I mean, I feel safer in that building, that probably anywhere else.
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You know, because we get, you know, we get tested and you know, there's intense cleaning going on, and everyone's really followed the the Protocols and like you mentioned to see so many guys show up on a voluntary basis and and, yeah, they want to get the working.
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But they could get the work in anywhere.
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It's more that they wanted to be back together and kind of, you know, touch each other.
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You know, not literally, but figuratively kind of be around each other and you think about this.
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We all as part of teams have been around the group pretty much every single day, of my life for, you know, how many years and then to have that cut off for six months.
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It's hard and you feel the poll from everyone.
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You know that the chemistry was really building under JB, and you feel the poll from everyone wanting to continue that in whatever way the leave will allow us.
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And so that's it's been need to see that.
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I know the Cavs really wanted to be invited.
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You talked about it.
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I know Kobe has talked to it almost ad nauseum, and it has proven to be a valuable experience for young teams.
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Look at what the Phoenix Suns were able to dio and their run there.
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What do you think in experience? A bubble like invite could have done for the Cavs? Well, I think it's a two part right.
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The first thing is, you know, we have a bunch of young players who the more practices and the more games they play.
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That's really the best way for them to get better.
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Certainly, skill work.
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An individual work you know, is one way.
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But there's nothing like playing against the other best players in the world and an MBA environment for Colin and Darius and you know, KP and Dylan, you know, being healthy, finally andare The young guys certainly would have served us well on the court.
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And hopefully, you know, would have kind of kept their progression going.
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But also, you know, being in a bubble and not really having anyone else there except your team, you're forced to spend, you know, a lot of time together.
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So I think those were the two areas that we felt a little bit slighted that wouldn't get up that opportunity.
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But you also go, you know? Okay, you get a play, the heck out of the cards you're dealt.
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And so that's, you know, we stopped kind of being sad about it after a minute and got so Okay, well, what can we dio? Um And we've been able to you do some things virtually with connection with guys.
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It's of leadership training with the young guys on the team who, you know, will end up being the cornerstones of this organization and also some team bonding.
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And and then the in person stuff, I think, was really positive because you take you take that away for a while and I think there's a greater appreciation for what you have when everyone comes back together.
00:25:09
So a cool part about the bubble that I definitely wanted to ask you was the casualness of the coach dressing.
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And I know you.
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You had some jokes about that right when you got hired that you need to find 82 different outfits.
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I had the privilege to cover some games this season, and you are always were dressed to the nines there.
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What do you think? The odds.
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We could see some casual coach this upcoming season. Maybe so.
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You know, sweat pants or some joggers on Friday.
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Like normal people get to do around.
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I know we'll see it.
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It's interesting.
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I kind of I'm going to defer.
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I think that's gonna come down to the head coaches in the league, the 30 of them and what they want to push for.
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I imagine that I think you know J B would be on team jogger all the way if he could.
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That's my guess is that that's what he would vote for but will be interesting to see coming out of the bubble.
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If the coaches pushed for that.
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You know jokingly said, Like it's funny, you know? There's obviously I think women are in the n b A to stay, and I think it's just the beginning.
00:26:00
But I joke that, you know, we're here and, um, you know, sort of wannabe treated like everyone else and respected.
00:26:08
But then also, there's times at which, you know, people forget we're not actually guys, and it does take longer than 20 minutes to get dressed before the game, and it is harder to pick out, you know, outfits not just switched the tie.
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So I do have fun, you know, getting getting dressed up and doing something different, that I spend most of my life in sweats.
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But I also think the casual sideline attire would be a lot easier on a lot of people s.
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So we'll see what happens.
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But you can tell those coaches enjoy wearing the polos and the joggers on the sideline and in Orlando.
00:26:38
I wonder how crazy they could get with it.
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You know, like Bill Bella.
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Check in the NFL. Just words.
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The hoody with the sleeves.
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Wonder how crazy they could get there.
00:26:45
So you talked a little bit about Darius and Colin, and you know what? They could have benefited in the bubble.
00:26:50
You were a guard at Brown.
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What's that been like for you to see two young guys that the Cavs drafted back to back and spent a lot of draft capital on with those high picks? What's that been like for you to work with those two in particular? Well, one kind of incredible thing about the N B A.
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Is that a lot of the time you know, assistant coaches spend is individually.
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You kind of work closely with individual players because there's less group practice time.
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And so I found that that individual connection, the ability to watch film to translate, you know what a guy needs to individually improve is really big in the NBA's.
00:27:24
That's been kind of fun to figure that out.
00:27:26
Those two guys in particular just they're incredible workers.
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I mean, they want to be in the gym, they want to get better on.
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And I think we started to see in those last 11 games after the All Star break, Uh, how they could, um, the synergy between them, how they could thrive, you know, Colin was scoring the ball and incredibly high clip in various.
00:27:46
You think about his upward trajectory.
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He played four college games.
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He wasn't, you know, even a one and done was for four games and done on then coming off of an injury.
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So the way that his body transformed and you know, his ability, that kind of grasp is super high.
00:28:01
I Q.
00:28:02
I think we haven't seen yet exactly what they could do together.
00:28:05
You know, we know that that the size thing poses, you know, some things we gotta deal with defensive end.
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But on the other hand, you know, you see, the mismatch is that it can create for other people, you know, when those two are in sync.
00:28:16
And I think that's what we're aiming towards like That's the high end of what it can be.
00:28:19
And we're still on that path toe, you know, figuring out how good we can get with those two in the back court, you know, Then you throw in.
00:28:26
You know, KP is in that same kind of young, youthful age, and he's bigger, and Dylan, you know, present something else, being, you know, a long wing, and so hopefully we can eventually throw some different looks at people.
00:28:39
But there's no question, you know, we expect Colin and there is to continue to improve individually and also as a as a backcourt together.
00:28:47
Definitely.
00:28:48
So I'd be remiss if I didn't ask.
00:28:49
You know, you had great success in college hoops.
00:28:52
You've already worked your way up the N B A sideline a little bit here in your first year in Cleveland.
00:28:58
Is the end goal to be the head coach on N B A sideline? Or is it just to see what what happens in to see where life takes you? Well, 20 Nick like that.
00:29:08
You asked.
00:29:09
I will say I have approached my career the whole time.
00:29:11
I'm 21 years now, coaching with never being like a step to an end goal.
00:29:17
I just I haven't thought that way.
00:29:18
I don't think it makes you successful in coaching.
00:29:20
When I was an assistant, I was never saying, you know, two more years and then I'll be a head coach.
00:29:26
And when I went to Santa Barbara's my first head coaching job, I wasn't like, OK, the clock is running till I go to a power five.
00:29:31
I just, I think it's such an all in type of job.
00:29:34
You have to be your feet after you plant it where you are for other things to emerge.
00:29:38
I will say this.
00:29:39
I did not leave Cow to come to the N b a saying You have to be an MBA head coach one day.
00:29:46
I just because there's no guarantee that that happens, you know? And so I had to come into it saying, I want to be an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
00:29:55
Ultimately did.
00:29:56
I really enjoyed being a head coach and and there are things about being a head coach that I missed.
00:30:00
But I think it makes me a better assistant having been a head coach, and I have so much more still to learn and get better at.
00:30:06
Would it be cool to be a head coach in the NBA one day? You know, certainly.
00:30:11
If that's what it feels like, it's going, you know, and if I would be deserving of that.
00:30:16
But, you know, I could be a head coach, you know, at a different level where I could stay and be assistant for a really long time.
00:30:22
If that feels right to I I don't I really don't have this, like timeframe an end goal.
00:30:27
But I do think sooner than later there will be, you know, a head coach in the NBA.
00:30:32
That's a a female, because why not, Right? I mean, I just the the kind of reasons not to are getting smaller and smaller at some point, you know, an ownership group or a GM as they're looking for who the best person is, they're gonna figure out in one time that it's that one person who happens to be female I don't know when that's gonna be, um I just you know, I do think it's going in that direction, and for me, I just want to be, you know, as good as I could be at what I'm doing and see where that goes.
00:31:02
And that's honestly such solid, like career advice in general, like leave coaching out of it like you should never go into something like only to two more years.
00:31:10
And then I could work my way up because that's only, you know, setting yourself up for disappointment, to not achieve what you're going in to do in the first place.
00:31:17
So So, Lindsay, we're so lucky to have you here.
00:31:21
I don't want to keep you on forever.
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I know your your little son had his first day ever of school today, so that's awesome.
00:31:28
Thank you for coming on the show.
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It was a whole lot of fun.
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Where can people give you a follow? Teoh? Keep up with what you're doing.
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Yeah, I'm on Twitter and Instagram.
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So Coach Lindsay G on both of them.
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It was Cal coach G for so long that I had toe Teoh think about that for a second.
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But Coach Lindsay G on Twitter and on instagram and just really excited to be in Cleveland.
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Can't wait Teoh start whatever is next.
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We don't know when you'd be is gonna, you know, get going.
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But this group that we have, I think it was special and that the progress that we're making is Israel.
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Until we can't wait to get to do that in front of fans again.
00:32:04
Yeah, and we're excited to get to that rocket mortgage, field, house and watch.
00:32:08
Thank you so much.
00:32:09
Thanks for having me great stuff there from Cavs assistant coach Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:32:27
I feel like we're a lot smarter today, having heard from her super exciting man.
00:32:32
We're entering such weird times, especially with all these fires around the n b a after the bubble and teams are trying to figure out, you know, what steps to make next to better their organization.
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And I think it's an exciting time to be a woman in the n b A.
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Because, like she said, now, general managers and now ownership groups are going to start taking a peek at, Well, who is the best candidate, not who's the best male candidate, but who is the best candidate overall.
00:33:00
And I think that's gonna open up some really unique and creative opportunities.
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We see it, you know, sometimes in the NFL, with certain type of philosophy.
00:33:08
Hires like, you know, say Sean McVeigh had a really good offense.
00:33:12
He was a young, offensive mind head coach, so that started a trickle down effect of everyone else trying to panic and higher.
00:33:18
Really young offense of minded coach is just like he was.
00:33:22
I think the same thing is bound to happen here in the n b a in a little bit, where it it just takes one for that glass ceiling to be broken, that first female head coach to be hired and then the rest of the G m.
00:33:34
Of course, it all comes down to the success, but the rest of the G M and the rest of the ownership groups air going to just follow suit, because that's how these things normally go.
00:33:42
So great stuff there from Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:33:45
I'm still bummed the Cavs didn't get that invite that they're not in the bubble, but I'll just have to sit on my hands and wait.
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But let's get into the newsman.
00:35:40
We're a few days away from Cleveland Browns kickoff on Tuesday.
00:35:44
We hear the breaking news from ESPN is Adam Schefter and plenty other to father follow.
00:35:49
The Cleveland Browns did, in fact, extend Kareem Hunt to a two year extension, keeping him in Cleveland for the next three years.
00:35:57
It's a 13.
00:35:58
5 million deal over the next 28 million of those dollars or guaranteed.
00:36:03
Here's what I have to say.
00:36:05
You're lacking up the best running back duo in the National Football League for the next two years, at minimum.
00:36:11
Already a big fan, already a big fan.
00:36:14
ESPN already put the article out there earlier this offseason when they were ranking position groups, that the Cleveland Browns have the best running back duo heading into this upcoming season.
00:36:23
I'm buying that Nick Chubb was robbed of the rushing title last year.
00:36:27
We know that we know that cream Hunt was suspended eight games.
00:36:30
We did not have the brightest head coach by any stretch of the imagination, and we didn't get to see those two at their peak at their capacity.
00:36:40
Here's what's something that's kind of crazy to me when I was getting my show notes.
00:36:44
Ready for today? Cream Hunt has only played in 35 NFL games.
00:36:49
A lot of that comes from the suspensions, and we know that that's the biggest part.
00:36:53
Probably off this contract is can't Kareem Hunt stay out of trouble? Because if he can't stay out of trouble and if he's being honest and truthful, that he's turned his life around? This is a great signing and another great extension for Andrew Berry and his is his general manager crew.
00:37:11
However, if he gets into more trouble and he can play less games than what we saw last year, that's big trouble for the Cleveland Browns.
00:37:18
Even though the only 8.
00:37:19
5 of its guaranteed cream hunt needs to be on the field for the Browns.
00:37:24
And we don't talk about Cream hunt enough, he doesn't get enough love in this city.
00:37:28
We spent so much time talking about Odell Beckham Jr and Jarvis Landry, Baker, Mayfield.
00:37:33
We're not talking about a guy that rushed for 30 1800 yards plus in his rookie season.
00:37:40
Ah, guy that last year when he came in the offense was clicking tremendously well.
00:37:44
Baker trusted him as a check down from Day one, but instead were arguing over.
00:37:48
Could Errol Hodge and Jo Jo Nats in.
00:37:51
And who's gonna be the Cleveland Browns fifth and six wide receiver on the team? I think that's foolish.
00:37:55
I think we're looking at a team this year, and we're so excited about Baker.
00:38:00
He Baker is the number one.
00:38:01
Pick him and Stefanski play action wide zone offense.
00:38:05
The receivers are gonna be wide open.
00:38:07
It's gonna be those big Chunk plays down the center of the field like we're hoping for last season with Freddie Kitchens and Todd Monken air in that ball out.
00:38:16
Yeah, football, baby, but I think where I think we're mistaken, I think we're completely off base when we think like that is Browns fans because in my opinion, Cream Hunt is the guy on the team that has the big playability.
00:38:32
This is a guy that averaged 7.
00:38:35
7 yards per catch.
00:38:37
That's tremendous, 4.
00:38:38
2 yards per rush, Tremendous.
00:38:41
This is a guy that's going to move the chains for your football team and keep that football out of the other offenses hands.
00:38:48
That's gonna be so important, and we're gonna get to that when we get to our keys to beating the Baltimore Ravens in a second.
00:38:54
I just think Andrew Barry here is doing a phenomenal job.
00:38:58
The Browns have always had a run first identity, and I wrote about this this week. You could read it.
00:39:04
My latest on fan sides. Dog pound daily.
00:39:07
It's on my Twitter at Nick. Put on 12 of course.
00:39:09
Always tweet the show at Padoan. My take.
00:39:11
I love to hear what you think about the cream hunt signing.
00:39:13
Talk to you a little bit on there after the show.
00:39:17
My thing with the with the Cleveland Browns are.
00:39:19
There have always been a run happy team.
00:39:21
We saw it last year where Freddie tried to come in and try to throw the ball 50 times a game and even had the position players throwing the ball.
00:39:30
And it wasn't working.
00:39:32
Jim Brown, Kevin Mack, Earnest Byner.
00:39:35
How I'll even throw a couple games of Peyton Hillis in there.
00:39:39
What all those guys have in common.
00:39:40
They're all running backs, and they all won games in a Cleveland Browns uniform.
00:39:44
That's because Cleveland is just a running back city.
00:39:47
I don't know what it is about it.
00:39:49
Cleveland, Ohio thrives off the run game where a blue collar, hardworking city like the running back position we happen to play in the A F C North, which is infamous for the rain snow games at the end of the year that thrive on the tales of the running back.
00:40:05
It's just who Cleveland is were run first identity.
00:40:09
So what I hope is that on Sunday, the Browns don't trout out there against the Baltimore Ravens and air the ball out 30 times in the first quarter.
00:40:16
Like what we saw with Freddie Kitchens last year because there's no sense in doing that.
00:40:20
You have the best running back tandem in the NFL.
00:40:23
You have an offense that as much as wide zone is going to help Baker.
00:40:28
It's gonna help Nick Chubb.
00:40:29
It's gonna help Cream Hunt have some gaps in there to shoot through.
00:40:33
And I think that's gonna be the most exciting piece of this team, and nobody's talking about it because we're all bent into arguing about thes 4th and 5th receivers, and I think we're a little bit silly for doing that.
00:40:45
So moving forward, I think Andrew Berry has done a fantastic job.
00:40:50
I think Andrew Berry is playing some four d chest with us right now in terms of setting the market and getting in front of these deals, right.
00:40:59
I tweeted earlier this week that he has the perfect hybrid between the Stones of John Dorsey, the co****s that John Dorsey had in both his drafting in his free agency and trade approach, as well as the brain of Sashi Brown.
00:41:13
To manage this money and to trade and gather those assets when it's smart and ones needed.
00:41:18
It's the perfect hybrid between the two.
00:41:20
We saw the courage going out there, sigh in Austin, Hooper to sign Jack Conklin to make that trade for one of the best full backs in the league and Andy Jankovich to help his head coach exceed.
00:41:30
And then we saw the brain side of it come in.
00:41:33
He traded down a couple of times in the draft.
00:41:36
That's giving us more picks for next season, and, more importantly, he's getting ahead of these contracts.
00:41:41
He did it earlier this summer when he hopped in front of the Myles Garrett situation.
00:41:45
Obviously, Miles had two years left on that five year first overall pick.
00:41:50
Rookie contract Andrew Berry said, Hey, we're going to just put these negotiations aside.
00:41:55
We're gonna pay here, and it already is working out.
00:41:58
It doesn't matter how Miles does on the field because it's already panning out.
00:42:01
He's not even the highest paid defensive player anymore.
00:42:04
Joy Boza passed him up like two weeks later, and after Nick Boza plays another year or two, I'd hate to see what that payday looks like.
00:42:12
So he's giving these guys, you know, in a sense hometown discount.
00:42:17
And he just did the same thing and re signing Kareem Hunt, who he knows.
00:42:21
Cream hunts from Cleveland Cream Hunt put in a statement that he wanted to be a Brown.
00:42:25
It was his lifetime dream toe wear the brown and orange, and now he's here for three more seasons at minimum, and he's doing it on a budget $13 million over two years.
00:42:36
What more you can you ask for? The guy is a borderline genius.
00:42:39
I know we said the same thing about John Dorsey, and I know it's so easy to say, Oh, it's different this time I feel it.
00:42:46
I forget the word that they kept using, not chemistry alignment.
00:42:50
The Browns.
00:42:51
Jimmy has Lim and J. W.
00:42:53
Johnson, in searching for the next head coach and general manager, kept saying Alignment.
00:42:57
And I truly do feel that for the first time in my life as a Browns fan, the team is a line.
00:43:04
I feel like we have smart people making the decisions.
00:43:07
And the one knock on Andrew Berry wasn't.
00:43:09
I knocked him for this plenty as well, because we saw this with the Sashi regime is, Well, the guy didn't play football.
00:43:16
He's not really a football guy.
00:43:18
He doesn't really come from a big coaching general manager.
00:43:21
Tree of football guys.
00:43:23
You know, Freddie had Bruce Arians in front of them and a bunch of a bunch of historic coaches.
00:43:29
You know, he coached Matt Ryan.
00:43:32
You are.
00:43:33
He coached all Carson Palmer in Arizona and stuff like that in Andrew Berry.
00:43:37
Kevin Stefanski.
00:43:38
They haven't been like that.
00:43:39
It's it's nerve racking, but they are football guys.
00:43:42
They've proven that already.
00:43:43
So if things don't go according to plan, I don't want to hear the excuse will.
00:43:47
We didn't have football guys at the home because we clearly do.
00:43:50
They clearly went into this offseason, signed the best right tackle in the but best tight end on the market, and then they were able to extend two of the best football players on the current team.
00:44:01
So there's no question in my mind that these guys know football they do.
00:44:05
That's the basic facts.
00:44:07
So I'm just excited about it and let's get it right into it.
00:44:10
Because Browns Ravens 1 p.m.
00:44:13
On Sunday in the big crab cake off Maryland.
00:44:17
Here's something that doesn't sit right with me and, ah, have to hit up my buddies at my bookie about this one.
00:44:22
Vegas has the Browns at a 7.
00:44:24
5 point road dog.
00:44:28
7.5 points in the NFL.
00:44:30
Seems a little bit ridiculous to me.
00:44:32
I don't know about you guys.
00:44:33
Tweet the show at Nick Pinon.
00:44:35
12. Ah, appetite on my take.
00:44:37
Maybe I'm completely off base here, but to me rarely 7.
00:44:41
5 point, that means they have to win by eight in the NFL.
00:44:45
I mean, in college that happens all the time and then basketball that happens all the time, so I'll give you both of those.
00:44:51
But in the NFL, an eight point spread is a little bit ridiculous.
00:44:54
I think Stefanski easily covers that.
00:44:57
It's gonna be a really tough game for the Browns, and I had such a hard time to thinking about what my take was going to be on this game going into this podcast tonight, to be completely honest with you, I sat down.
00:45:09
I read as much as I could.
00:45:11
I read up on the Ravens.
00:45:12
Obviously, I've been keeping up on the Browns.
00:45:14
I went back and watched the Week four game last year where the Browns were able to succeed.
00:45:19
And here's my big take away is everything we've heard about the NFL season is that the start of the year is going to be slapped.
00:45:28
It's there's no preseason games, no O.
00:45:31
T.
00:45:32
A's shortened training camp Browns have a rookie head coach.
00:45:35
It's gonna be a rocky, messy start to the season that benefits the Browns.
00:45:42
As if Kevin Stefanski is as smart and as organized as he's cracked up to be.
00:45:47
And as smart as I believe that he is from seeing what he's done so far.
00:45:52
I think that benefits the Browns.
00:45:54
I think the Browns will thrive off of messy and sloppy football going into Week one, because that's how they're gonna have to win this game.
00:46:02
We know the Ravens have the reigning M v P.
00:46:05
They won this division last year.
00:46:07
They're the second favorite odds in this FC conference.
00:46:11
To go out there and make the Super Bowl, we know that those are the facts, but a slap.
00:46:17
Your game helps the Browns because that's all they can do.
00:46:20
All they can do is run the ball and keep it away from Lamar Jackson. That's all I ask.
00:46:24
Go out there handed to Nick Chubb.
00:46:26
Let that play clock run down to six or seven, snap it and have Nick Chubb er, Cream Hunt right at your hip again to hand it off.
00:46:34
And I think Baker's gonna have an okay game because he played decently well against Baltimore the first time, however, it's gonna be Slappy.
00:46:42
The offense isn't all the way installed. JC Treader.
00:46:45
You're starting center who's a veteran is a game time decision.
00:46:49
If he doesn't play, you're gonna have a rookie mid round pick starting at center.
00:46:53
We already know your left tackle is a rookie and he's gonna be there all year, so you already have that working against you.
00:46:59
A sloppy game on Sunday helps the Browns as low scoring as possible.
00:47:04
As much as a defense of mashes humanly can be.
00:47:07
I am worried about the linebackers, but a sloppier type of game with no pressure, no fans.
00:47:13
It's not gonna feel like a road game, you know, if things were a mess and it's 77 going into halftime like these F C North Games sometimes get in the brunt of winter.
00:47:25
I think that helps the Browns because you have to keep that ball away from Lamar Jackson.
00:47:30
You have to keep it away from their run happy scheme because they're going to try to do it.
00:47:34
They're going to try to run all over the field, just like Kevin's defense.
00:47:38
You did in Minnesota, though, you need to slow the game down.
00:47:40
You need to be the one that controls the pace, and that's how you're gonna win this football game.
00:47:45
So do they win? I'm not sure it's a tough game that the team that we're going up again.
00:47:50
It's just such a tough draw.
00:47:51
The NFL does this to us every year.
00:47:53
That's why we haven't won in opener since 2004.
00:47:56
Not the only reason.
00:47:57
But, man, it seems like we haven't had an easy start to this season.
00:47:59
And forever, obviously.
00:48:01
Last week, the Browns be Baltimore Week four.
00:48:05
They did.
00:48:06
So the score halftime was 10 to 7.
00:48:08
If you're gonna win this week and needs to be a similar deal, and it needs to be, ah, low scoring defensive affair, even though I am slightly worried about that diva looking a little bit ahead, obviously, Baltimore is gonna be a tough one.
00:48:22
You got the Bengals and the Washington football team next to up to must win games.
00:48:27
In my opinion, even if you beat Baltimore, start off the season three and oh, against those easier type teams and man, this city is going to have a heartbeat like we haven't felt about our football team in a long time.
00:48:40
It's going to have 2016 LeBron Cavs championship vibes all over again, and I can't wait for and I think it's possible because I think if you win this Baltimore game, and you glance ahead of that schedule a little bit.
00:48:58
If you could just get past these Ravens, that locker room is going to be believed.
00:49:04
They haven't done this since 2004 and they know it.
00:49:08
And the last time they did it was against the Baltimore Ravens, and obviously there's nobody on that team that was there in 2004.
00:49:14
But Jarvis knows.
00:49:15
Odell knows.
00:49:16
Baker knows Miles knows that.
00:49:18
If you can go out there and thump the division champs in Week one, you got the Cincinnati Bengals at home in prime time on a short week against a rookie quarterback on Thursday Night Football.
00:49:37
Say what you will, but I like my odds.
00:49:39
I like my chances there, and that's all I'll say about that.
00:49:42
I'm looking forward to Sunday.
00:49:43
I'm so pumped.
00:49:45
Everybody put a let's go browns in the chant.
00:49:47
Here we go, brownies.
00:49:48
Here we go.
00:49:50
It's gonna be a fun season.
00:49:51
You know, the Corona virus and everything that's going with that I'm just so happy that we're finally here.
00:49:57
There was a time where people on Twitter were so negative, with everything with college football and everything with the, you know, cancellation dating back to March badness and the NBA's return and hockey and the struggles that baseball were having early on.
00:50:12
Everybody was pointing their fingers at Roger in the NFL, saying, Hey, buddy, how you gonna pull this off? You got 53 guys on a team, You're a contact sport.
00:50:21
He knew it.
00:50:22
Roger knew it.
00:50:23
We have football back on Thursday, and I couldn't be more excited.
00:50:27
What a great game that's gonna be.
00:50:29
By the way, Chiefs and Taxes.
00:50:31
Whoa, that's gonna be offensive affair, and I'm looking forward to it.
00:50:35
So let's finally wrap this bad boy up because it's already time for our play of the week presented by my guys.
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00:51:07
We got a small play of the week, a medium play of the week and a large play of the week.
00:51:11
So we're looking at a team or athlete or anyone else that missed the mark, that we're somewhere in the middle and that hit the mark.
00:51:19
For example, say Doc Rivers has a really bad we coaching.
00:51:23
He will be the small play of the week.
00:51:26
For example, say LeBron James has a 40 point triple double in the Finals, which he's very capable of doing, and I think he will do very soon.
00:51:34
He is going to be the big play of the week, so let's get right into it without further ado are small play of the week.
00:51:41
Daryl Morey, the general manager of the Houston Rockets.
00:51:44
Congratulations, sir.
00:51:45
You are the small play of the week, but he has no center on his team.
00:51:50
Oh, no center at all.
00:51:52
Tuesday night Ah, the Rockets got smashed against the Los Angeles Lakers.
00:51:57
It was, ah, close game all the way through, but at the end it was just too much.
00:52:00
LeBron too much a D uh, Rockets get completely outplayed in the fourth quarter by Rajan Rondo of all people.
00:52:08
Pretty unbelievable.
00:52:09
If you ask me, the Lakers spring out.
00:52:11
Ah, hilarious line up against the Houston Rockets off nearly all you know, seven footers. They have LeBron.
00:52:18
They had Morris and they had Anthony Davis on the floor at the same time, and Mike D'Antoni and the Houston Rockets pretty much should have just curled up in a ball and cried because from there on out, it was over for them.
00:52:30
I know, I know.
00:52:31
Small ball.
00:52:32
Is there a deal? I get it.
00:52:33
I get.
00:52:34
That's the way the N B A is leaning towards.
00:52:35
I get that the Golden State Warriors changed the game forever.
00:52:38
It's a super smart way to go about playing the game because it creates mismatch disasters in situations.
00:52:45
You can't do this all the time and expected to work is just silly.
00:52:49
It's impish.
00:52:50
I can't believe that they really went through the trade debt Well, First they went through the offseason, and then they went through the trade deadline without having a bonified center on their roster at all.
00:53:03
All they did was say Oh, we're gonna have P.
00:53:05
J.
00:53:06
Tucker Place center, but I get P. J.
00:53:08
Tucker place hard.
00:53:09
I get it. He's a hustle.
00:53:10
Matthew DellaVedova Anderson Varejao type of guy.
00:53:13
He scored six points and six rebounds on average throughout the length of his career, and he is now being expected to play very meaningful N B A playoff minutes in a high pressure environment against one of the greatest, if not the greatest basketball player of all time in LeBron James and one of the best second fiddle players, probably ever in Anthony Davis.
00:53:35
That's you, P.
00:53:36
J.
00:53:37
Tucker.
00:53:38
And that's you, more importantly, Daryl Morey, because you set the guy up to be in this board situation where he's out there, no man's land stranded by himself, trying Teoh defend these future Hall of Fame Biggs.
00:53:51
And he has no chance.
00:53:52
I get that the Siri's is only 21 But let's be honest with ourselves.
00:53:56
Let's look each other in the eye here and say the Houston Rockets are not, and we're never going to defeat the Los Angeles Lakers in LeBron James.
00:54:05
That's just silly.
00:54:06
Who on that team in a Game seven is going to guard LeBron James, who in that team in a Game seven is going to guard Anthony Davis.
00:54:14
I have no idea, because they have not shown me that that they're capable of doing that.
00:54:19
And this offseason, I don't know what's gonna happen in Houston because it's ugly scene over there, your head coaches incompetent.
00:54:27
He's old man that refuses to make any changes.
00:54:29
Your best player is a silly, goofy hack that does nothing but flail around in its first free throws, even from the three point line at any measure necessary, whether it's kicking his feet out, falling down, you name it, he does it, and your collective offensive unit is just chucking threes, *****ing and moaning.
00:54:48
A until you until you get your way.
00:54:50
That's not championship basketball, and it's never going to be.
00:54:53
So That's my take on the Houston Rockets.
00:54:55
I'm excited to see what happens to him this offseason because I've already written them off against these Los Angeles Lakers and ah yeah, Durham or you're the small play the weekend.
00:55:04
You should start looking towards next year, buddy, because that's all you got going for you right now.
00:55:08
My medium play of the week is Novak Djokovic.
00:55:11
Let's talk some tennis year.
00:55:13
I'm a big tennis guy.
00:55:14
It's a fun fact that you guys probably don't know about me.
00:55:17
If you're into tennis, even if you're not tweet the show at Nick Don't 12.
00:55:20
That Padoan might take.
00:55:21
So this week Novak Djokovic hits the line judge from behind them with a tennis ball after being frustrated with a call.
00:55:29
This obviously blew up on Twitter, is a huge deal.
00:55:31
Over the weekend, he pretty much smacks the ball on the ground and, like, hits it towards the back like the backstop, the back wall where the line judge stands.
00:55:40
And typically what happens there is it will hit the wall and fall to the ground, and then one of the little ball kids or one of the ball guys, whoever's working that match, this is the U.
00:55:48
S.
00:55:49
Open, by the way, scatters over and picks up the ball and runs back to the site.
00:55:52
Well, in this off incident, he hits the ball out of frustration.
00:55:56
So we did hit it kind of hard, and it hits the Lady square in the throne now, naturally, how things tend to go in 2020.
00:56:03
The lady makes a gigantic scene out of it.
00:56:06
She starts holding their throat like Freddy Krueger just slitter with one of her Wolverine claws.
00:56:11
She's rolling all over the ground, wailing and moaning, and obviously Novak Djokovic is running over there, like in despair, trying to make sure this lady is okay.
00:56:21
And he didn't like Spike in that, you know, he didn't hit a full on forehand at her.
00:56:24
He just plopped it back.
00:56:26
Ah, frustrated plot backwards is what I would say.
00:56:31
Then he gets ejected.
00:56:32
That's where I say tennis.
00:56:33
Tennis misses the mark this week, and tennis is my medium play of the week because it was an accident.
00:56:39
He wasn't aiming for the line judge.
00:56:41
Go watch the video, and even then the line judge sold it.
00:56:45
She deserves the Emmy or Grammy for the performance that she put on in the U. S.
00:56:50
Open by falling to the ground like that.
00:56:52
That the tennis missed the Mark.
00:56:54
Novak is that one seed.
00:56:56
He's the reason people were tuning into the U.
00:56:58
S. Open this week.
00:57:00
It's obviously mid pandemic.
00:57:01
Tennis players, especially the top ones, make a good chunk of change in endor*****ts, and a lot of, um said I'm not risking it.
00:57:08
I'm sitting at home and I'm chilling with my family, not Novak, Novak said.
00:57:12
I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna play for the fans and try to win Miss String.
00:57:17
Try to win another Grand Slam title.
00:57:18
Tennis said No kicked him out, so that's kind of nonsense to me.
00:57:23
I was disgusted truthfully when I saw that he was disqualified.
00:57:26
Especially for that, I get that you have to give some sort of penalty, especially in a strict kind of behavioral sport like tennis.
00:57:34
I understand a point penalty.
00:57:36
I understand even ah, a game penalty if they had to switch sides or something when that happened.
00:57:41
But to disqualify him completely from the U.
00:57:44
S.
00:57:45
Open in the middle of a pandemic, when a lot of tennis fans were looking forward to watching him.
00:57:49
Tennis tennis really missed the mark to this week.
00:57:53
Let's get into it.
00:57:54
Let's get it to my big play of the week.
00:57:55
A guy that I'm super pumped about on a team that I'm super pumped about is Tyler hero man, I can't get enough of this kid, obviously, he's only averaged 13.
00:58:06
5 points in his rookie season.
00:58:08
He hasn't made the big waves that John Marantz and Zion Williamson have made throughout their young careers thus far.
00:58:15
Batistuta could play.
00:58:16
He's 20 years old and he's getting ready to play in his first ever conference finals.
00:58:21
Obviously, this week, the Miami Heat passed by the Milwaukee Bucks.
00:58:26
Four toe, one big questions are gonna be.
00:58:29
What's Johannes is future? My big question is, how legit is this Miami team? And how big of a wave can they make the that he were my pick going into the bubble.
00:58:40
If you missed any of that action, follow Pinon my take on Spotify on Apple podcasts and go listen through the rest of those episodes.
00:58:48
I'm I was big on the Miami Heat.
00:58:50
Tyler Heroes a perfect fit.
00:58:52
There he becomes the youngest player in N B. A history.
00:58:55
That's a first round draft pick I believe to play on N B A conference finals team.
00:59:01
LeBron was 22 when he did it.
00:59:03
Michael Jordan was 26 when he did it.
00:59:05
So, obviously, Tyler hero joints some super elite company there.
00:59:09
I love the guy He's an awesome player and I love the Miami Heat.
00:59:13
And I really hope they could roll through whatever comes of this next round and have a run at the N B A championship because they play great team basketball.
00:59:21
Obviously, they have stars in Jimmy Butler.
00:59:23
Bam! Out a bio gets better every game that he plays, but it's really the role players.
00:59:27
It's the Jae Crowder's of the world's The Tyler Heroes, the Duncan Robinson's that are really the reason to get excited about the Miami Heat.
00:59:35
And that's what makes them so exciting every time flicked them on.
00:59:37
So consider me on the Miami Heat bandwagon.
00:59:40
You know, Heat Nation.
00:59:42
Let's go.
00:59:43
Thanks, everybody, for hanging out here.
00:59:44
We're up against it.
00:59:45
Superfund our again, man. We're on a roll.
00:59:48
Huge, thanks to Cavs assistant coach Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:59:51
Awesome interview with her.
00:59:52
If you're listening to me, talk now and you missed Lindsay Gottlieb.
00:59:56
Go check her out on apple podcasts on Spotify.
00:59:59
And if you're listening there, make sure to hit that subscribe button.
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01:00:23
I'm looking forward to it.
01:00:24
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01:00:29
Super excited to watch the Browns and the guys all season long Next Wednesday.
01:00:33
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01:00:34
Same bat channel.
01:00:36
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01:00:38
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01:00:39
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