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Welcome to the big play Re flog show.
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Today is Monday, October 19th, 2025.
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I'm your host.
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Big play, Dave.
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Alongside my main man, Mr Chris MacNeil.
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What is going on, Dave? I've had better day.
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Let me get me.
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I have to get off.
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There you go.
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I'm putting you on the screen. That's a way better Jersey.
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Yeah, yeah, of course.
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We lost our bet with bar stools.
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So with Joey over there, So you have to wear a big bend jersey, and I have to wear a big bend jersey.
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I selected a Miami RedHawks Big bend jersey, so I feel at least somewhat clean.
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Whereas you are completely unclean.
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This smells like cheap cologne from the guy.
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I borrowed it from down the street.
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And to be fair, Big Ben was wearing it himself.
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Would probably smell in the same way.
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You smell like a bathroom.
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Yeah, Nick, what's going on, man? Welcome to the show.
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You look way better than both of us. Oh, yeah.
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Last night was one of those nights where you had toe turn on the final five minutes of Game seven and 2016 so figure no better way toe, you know, balance out the show with the two big Ben jerseys, then throwing this bad boy on tonight.
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Yeah, right to the comments.
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You guys look like hell.
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God, you look horrible in that first time watching the show. Hey, Timmy.
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First time watching the show and I'm were wearing fricking big bend jerseys.
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Welcome to the show.
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This isn't a regular occurrence.
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Just until week 17 E.
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That was a stupid bet.
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That was a really dumb bet, Right? In hindsight, bad move.
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Really bad move.
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Didn't think that one through Barstow was gonna kill Barsa was gonna have their jokes about this in the morning when they all wake up, right? Yeah.
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All right. Well, enough of Big Ben.
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Thanks, Joey.
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We really appreciate that bet.
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Uh, tonight on this show, we're kicking it off with some power rank. Monday.
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We're not gonna talk. Brown's right away.
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We're going Best horror films.
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Best scary movies of all time.
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Top three.
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Get yours in the comments here on.
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Then we're gonna go to our featured interview of the week.
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ESPN Radio producer Lindsey Fulton joining the show.
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Gonna talk some browns with her Cleveland girl on.
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Then we will follow that with Cleveland Headlines Brown's Air four and two.
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That's not bad.
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Brown's Air four and two We're looking ahead to the Battle of Ohio verse Joe Burrow and the Bungles in Cincinnati in Kentucky.
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Uh, maybe do a little Baker Mayfield talk.
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Get our thoughts on him and I know Nick wants to get in there on that.
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After that, we'll get into the big plays of the week sponsored by my bookie, gets, um, parlays in there for that since the game, when we go back to five and two and give our predictions are bold predictions on the show with that.
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So let's kick it off with a little bit of power rank Monday, as we had into Halloween season.
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It's time, fool.
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Power rank Monday.
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All right, it is mid October prime scary movie season.
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So in honor of the Browns offense yesterday, how much power rank the scariest movies we've seen? I will kick it off with my number three. Got my ding ready.
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I am going with scream.
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Very good choice.
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So scary.
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Remember the movie theater, See? Yeah, it really did.
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I was terrified of that movie growing up? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you probably a teenager when that thing came out.
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I was a teenager when that came out, so it had just the right mix for a teenage boy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nick, How old were you and Scream came out? I don't know.
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It was the year two.
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I don't know.
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It's like 97 right? Yeah, Probably right around there.
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It was because it was 96.
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E was closed.
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I was negative.
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Two years old. Oh, my God. Wow.
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December 20th, 96.
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So you missed that. Wow.
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Yeah. I was not here for that one.
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Boy doesn't seem that you go.
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Whoa, man.
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All right, whatever next.
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Shut up.
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Number two, get out! Have you guys seen this? I did.
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I did. I didn't think it was that scary.
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No, it wasn't that.
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It was more of a social commentary type of thing, and I didn't find it a scary I did enjoy the movie, but, uh, it was definitely bizarre.
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I'm not I'm not a scary movie guy.
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I feel like most probably 90% of them are no good.
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I don't know.
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No, uh, have you know, I've got my intern here.
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Noah? No.
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Have you seen the movie? Get out.
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You have? Is that a horror movie? He says he says No.
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He says more of a thriller.
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I kind of take that E.
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I don't know about horror movie, All right.
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What's your number one? No day whatever.
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Number one this'd isn't either alien, but also not have no even get you understand? This category really pulled me.
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Oh, wow.
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You got this all the time like you had.
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These were movies that I was scared off except get out.
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Not really.
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Alien man.
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I went I was on a like, more than my first sleepovers.
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And like the older brother, made us watch Alien.
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I feel like I was like, I don't like seven super Super scary.
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Yeah, for me.
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And like that category, I've like paranormal activity.
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That was like a sleepover movie where the older brother, same with, like, taken like that's not really a horror movie, But it's ****ky, like somebody gets abducted in it.
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So stuff like that, Yeah, I get that John says, Do you know what a horror movie is? Dave And he says, And Nick, you are super super young Chris.
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Top three. Top three.
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Okay, My number three.
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It was actually scream, Aziz.
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Well, I put on a scary movie, but that was that was the satire based upon screaming, basically and a bunch of other movies.
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But I meant scream because I am with you, Dave.
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That one. Definitely.
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Uh, it wasn't all that scary.
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I wouldn't say, but it was entertaining.
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I always loved these kind of movies that have a perspective about themselves and can kind of laugh at themselves while being a little scary as well.
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So that's why I scream kind of rub that spot for me. That's a good one.
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My number two.
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Silence of the Lambs.
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This was great.
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I watched that when I was about,, 16 years old.
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I want to say, okay, and it just freaked me out.
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Just freaked me out the whole Hannibal Lecter thing and about Anthony Hopkins just played that so wonderfully.
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And just so it was just It just freaked me out.
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Just his whole vibe in that movie.
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So that was a fantastic, fantastic movie, and actually, one of my favorite.
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Yeah, you don't get much better than that.
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No.
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And then my number one horror movie, the all 22 film on Baker Mayfield from yesterday.
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I mean, that was that thing was basically snuff porn for Steelers fans, right? I mean, that was That was ugly.
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That was tough to watch.
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Tough to watch.
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Yeah, we'll get into that in a little bit.
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Can't wait.
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MK grandma on Twitter haunting of Hill House.
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Okay, Never heard of it.
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I've heard of it, but gosh, I I don't know.
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Is that black and white? Is that colorized? Don't don't date your mom.
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Well, I'll try not to, uh, Cleveland Sports reports as the conjuring and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Jared says, Ah, horrible batty.
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I know.
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Candy man.
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Hell. Raiser Nightmare on Elm Street camp.
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What's up? Camp says I watched Silence of the Lambs with Nick, and he slept the entire time.
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Oh, Nick.
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Okay, let's let's get into Nick's top three here.
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Alrighty.
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So my number three after camp calls me out on the show.
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I'm going with it because it to me is is both of them.
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They're not the perfect horror movies.
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They're not like, scarier pants off scary.
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But Pennywise the clown as as a storyteller myself and someone that loves to write and loves to interview.
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People get their stories out there.
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Pennywise is such a dynamic character, and he's so interesting the way that he dresses the, you know, balloon, the whole coming out of the Stuart thing.
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I love everything.
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Stephen King. I really love everything.
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Halloween, that's a That's a fun fact about me is I'm super into Halloween.
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That's definitely my favorite holiday.
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So it is my number three now, which, which would cause play anything with cause play for Nick, I'm sure.
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All right.
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Uh, Number two.
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Johnson's Knicks blush number.
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Speaking of Cause play, How about LeBron James back in the day? Dressing up is Pennywise.
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Remember that? I mean, that was amazing.
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That was amazing.
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Every year, LeBron nails Halloween.
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I don't know if you guys keep up on that or what, as much as I do every year.
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LeBron costumes are just out of this world. Good.
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Hey is known to throw some of the best Halloween parties.
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It was it was a huge deal in 2016 after we won the champions 31 literally through a 3 to 1 themed party, LeBron has been as big into Halloween as I am.
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It must be the December 30 birthday.
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Okay, Number two, Nick throwing that out there.
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So we buy him. Gift's coming up. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Coming up. Me and LeBron baby, The Shining.
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This is a good one. This is another classic.
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Uh, it's so ****ky.
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The whole red rum thing that that's out of this world.
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I don't know who wrote this movie, but whatever they were on when they were writing it Thio to create the Red room thing.
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We're the hallways of this building.
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Just flood with blood.
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That is disgusting.
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That is freaky.
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It's gory.
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That's a great movie, too.
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So the shining is my number two.
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You got the Here's Johnny Jif that Browns fans used a lot of one man, So e J f e don't know.
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Is it gift or is it just give The creator of the word has said what it is, but I ignored said Creator, I guess.
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Correct.
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That's what you should do anyway.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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That's another Stephen King, by the way.
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Yeah, that is another Stephen King.
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You notice a trend here? Okay, I'll break that trend, though my number one.
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This is a Netflix movie.
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The autopsy of Jane Doe.
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Have either of you guys watch this one? So this is another one that I watched it cams house.
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When did you stay awake? 2016 stayed awake.
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This is one that after the movie we watched it tonight I sprinted out to my car.
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It is terrifying.
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Watch I I don't want.
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I don't want to spoil everything.
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They get locked in like an asylum type of environment that it turns into you.
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It's super freaky as faras scary movies go.
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This is definitely one of the scariest that I've watched.
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I definitely recommend it to everybody out there if you're looking for a little extra ****ky this October.
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The autopsy of Jane Doe.
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Definitely.
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I was moving my way out of camps house to my car.
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We don't have Netflix.
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There's any kind of a sponsor, but I'm gonna throw one out there for that.
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Kids can watch.
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For the most part, I think it's PG 13 but they cut the Hubie Halloween.
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Have you seen that with Adam Sandler So bad? Yeah, but it's got a bunch of call backs to his other movies, which I just did those Easter eggs.
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So the callbacks air great.
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I mean, the beginning scene.
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He's got Ben Stiller in their reprising his role from, uh, Happy Gilmore, where he plays the nurse.
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That's a male attendant.
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So at the very beginning, and there's a few other Easter eggs like that that make it watchable for the adults.
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And then the kids would like it so But otherwise it's just Adam Sandler playing the exact same Adam Sandler guy he plays in every other.
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So I think Adam Sandler signed a deal with Netflix years ago where you had to come out with a new movie every year.
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Okay, and so he's like, All right, what are we gonna dio? I guess we're going.
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You got Rob Schneider in it? Yes, Rob Schneider's in it.
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I mean, he's got the same lady who's from modern family, who is also the PR person from the PGA and having more okay, She's in it, you know, Just everybody Meadows is Tim Meadows is in it.
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All these folks, I'm gonna have to check that out.
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Nick, were you afraid of the dark? It's no silence of the Lambs, and it's not scary But I mean, it will give you a chuckle here. A chuckle.
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They're kind of lighthearted. Fun for the family.
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That's funny.
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Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown.
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Halloween.
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Also a runner up.
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Not a horror movie, but it's a class that's not a classroom.
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That out there this time of year.
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The great pumpkin.
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You know, he carves it.
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Oh, no, You killed it.
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That's that's just great.
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All right.
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That was Power rank Monday that was powering Monday.
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We're moving on to our featured.
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Any of you were going to talk a little? Brown's here.
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Talk with Lindsay Fulton.
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We will be back in roughly 40 seconds.
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It will take the people already on the line.
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We've got you like that, Chris.
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Clues Like sports.
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Been stepping up your game.
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And ESPN radio producer.
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She has worked with Fox Sports NFL Network.
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Yahoo Sports.
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It is the one and only Lindsay Fulton.
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Welcome to the big play reflux show.
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How are you? I'm great. Thanks for asking.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Absolutely so let's kick right into it.
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So you've worked with all the big guy? All the big guys in sports.
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Uh, ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports Yahoo which has been your favorite one to work with.
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Can't say the one you're at now.
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I got to go in the past.
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Well, if I can't say the one that I met now I'm gonna have to go with Well, that's kind of tough, K and R No, I would say Yahoo Sports, because I had I had, like, an awesome opportunity there.
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Knr.
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I mean, I do really miss like the old Crema Ginny guys complaining about Cleveland Sports 24 7 something We don't get out here in l. A.
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Um, but yeah, Other than that other than those guys that probably say Yahoo Very cool.
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Very cool.
00:19:32
Uh, let's let's talk some Brown's.
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It's on everybody's mind right now.
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We've We've lost Teoh a couple really, really good teams that we face this season.
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We we beat a good Colts team.
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We beat a few bottom dwellers along the way.
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How How good do you think this this Brown's team is? And how long have you been a die hard fan? I mean, I would I wouldn't call myself a die hard fan right now.
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I don't know how to say this.
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So So I grew up is a Browns fan.
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My dad used Thio engineer the Browns games for Casey Coleman.
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Never. Chandler like you name it.
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So I remember, you know, being a little kid and going up and sitting in the up in the booth and hanging out and just thinking it was the coolest thing ever, which is kind of wide.
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I do what I do now.
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Um, but then when they moved, you know, it was like it that formidable age around, like, 10 years old, where I guess that was one like my four sports fandom was really developing.
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So I just became such a diehard Indians fan that my love for the Browns kind of faded, and they've had a hard time getting me back in because I'm sure everybody else you get hooked.
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I got hooked with Johnny Manziel.
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I got hooked with Brady Quinn.
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I got hooked with Baker.
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And now this year I'm just I said if they beat Pittsburgh, I'm I'm 100% all back in, and they didn't.
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So yeah, where we are.
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So that's why you're handles, not Lindsay football.
00:21:00
Exactly.
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Any good stories for being up in the booth from back in the day with your dad and those Casey Coleman and all those guys back in the day.
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I mean, I was pretty young, so I don't remember a ton.
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I do remember the last day, Um, the last game in Cleveland Municipal Stadium.
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My dad took his big, huge video camera and took me in my whole family out there.
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So we've got some pretty cool videos that show him, like touring everything with us going in the locker room and, you know, me holding up jerseys and stuff.
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But, um, I would say, like the coolest memory from the booth days with my dad was when he got struck by lightning on the air.
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Okay, Okay.
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You will have to tell us about this one.
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Now, what happened? How did you get struck by lightning on air during a Browns came, So I guess it was storming.
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Um, there.
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I think they were in Tampa Bay.
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To be honest, he was on the roof because there were transmitter issues or whatever.
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He had to go up and check things out.
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And while he was up there, he got struck by lightning.
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So my mom, who would always listen to the games on the radio.
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We were driving around and I heard them say on the radio, I think it might have been never that said, Well, our engineer, Steve Fulton, we just want to say good luck to him.
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Best wishes because he just got struck by lightning and he didn't say what happened.
00:22:15
So, like, I was like, What's going on? I have no idea what happened.
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Nobody called or anything.
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So it wasn't until, like an hour to later that somebody called her from the hospital that my dad was at and said that he was okay.
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And I guess he said the only you know he's a little shaken up, but like the bottom of his Nikes were melted and that that was pretty much it.
00:22:34
So Oh wow, President perspective.
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Even after yesterday's debacle, the Browns almost killed a man back in the day for him. Oh, man.
00:22:48
So, Lindsay, you used to be back at K and R.
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Did you see the goat of K and R Bracket Challenge? I do.
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I still listen to raise Okay, so I did Listen to that.
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I think it was Jim Donovan, that one, that right Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, I listen to that.
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It was pretty interesting.
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There was people in there I've never even heard of, though.
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Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
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I work okay.
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And are currently your a K and Harlem, both of us snubbed from the goat of K and R Bracket Challenge.
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What the hell is up with that one and two? Any on memories? With Riz there? I'm honored to be snubbed by people like, um, Jordan Zimmermann and, I don't know, trying to think of some other ones that I had never heard of.
00:23:36
There's a few people.
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I was there for a while, too.
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I mean, I work different eight until 2013.
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Um, that's a long time.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I was mostly a board up, and I worked a lot like at night, and I did a lot of random stuff there.
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Um, So I'm like I said, I'm honored to be snubbed by some of the even greater employees there, but I mean, nothing crazy there.
00:24:01
I mean, most of the craziness was working with Munch at five. In the morning.
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Um, my body.
00:24:07
What was that like? Tell.
00:24:09
Tell us a good month story.
00:24:10
I go on with Munch every week.
00:24:12
Lindsey on his show up, The gambler.
00:24:15
Now every Friday morning at 6 30 AM He's doing that thing.
00:24:19
So any good month stories for us, I mean, I used Thio.
00:24:24
It's his show that I produced was one of my first shows I ever produced was lunch with lunch, and we used to go to, like, RBS and tackle bells and all these random places, and we would set up our comrades and do a radio show.
00:24:36
And I remember almost every week Brian Hoyer's dad would come out and sit with Munch and sit right next to us and get his three RBS and hang out.
00:24:44
And like once in a while, he got Brian Hoyer. Come in.
00:24:47
And I remember much saying like, Oh, he's gonna be a big deal.
00:24:49
I'm like, yeah, much. Okay, whatever.
00:24:51
And now you know he's in the NFL so good for him.
00:24:54
Wow.
00:24:55
So you do Hoyer back then when he was, how old was he? This was before college.
00:24:59
He was in high school.
00:25:00
That Ignatius, I think.
00:25:01
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.
00:25:05
All right, Lindsay.
00:25:06
So the a F.
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C.
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Is tough this year.
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You know, you talked about how the Browns kind of lost.
00:25:10
You definitely, really lost after yesterday.
00:25:12
It's tough, but they added 1/7 playoff spot this year.
00:25:15
Where do you think the Browns fall into that conversation? And if they do crack a playoff spot, do you think that's the way that the Cleveland Browns can kind of take your heart back this season? If they if they were able to? Yes, I think so.
00:25:27
Onley Because And it's not that I'm a front runner.
00:25:29
It's just as you guys know, You could only have your heart broken so many times.
00:25:34
And I'm still recovering from the Indians in 2016.
00:25:38
So you know you're on the left Coast now, right? So therefore, everybody's a frontrunner, right? Let's be honest pretty much.
00:25:47
I mean, it's really strange because I have to kinda like, play up the whole Dodgers thing because the Dodgers are obviously going in the world.
00:25:55
Siri's the Lakers.
00:25:56
It was kind of easy for me because I always root for LeBron.
00:25:59
He's the best, Um, but yeah, I don't know.
00:26:02
I think if they make the playoffs, I definitely be all all in again, but I just don't see it happening.
00:26:08
I had them at five wins.
00:26:09
I said they'd be lucky to get five wins at the beginning of the year.
00:26:12
I say that's, I don't know, maybe six or seven now, because they won so many unexpected at the beginning of the season.
00:26:18
But I mean, you have to beat the Steelers.
00:26:21
You have to beat the Ravens, and they just look like they're on a completely different level than both of those teams.
00:26:26
And if you can't beat the teams in your division, then it is what it iss.
00:26:31
It is what it is.
00:26:32
That's right.
00:26:33
Oh, that's rough.
00:26:34
Now you're bringing me down even ****her than what I was before.
00:26:38
I don't mean to, but it's funny because all of my friends at work, like the one guy's big Baker fan.
00:26:41
He calls him the headband, and he's always rooting for him.
00:26:44
And I'm just like, I don't know guys I don't know.
00:26:46
They're like So, are you excited about your browns For And one? I was like, cautiously optimistic, as Andy Basket would say.
00:26:52
So I guess, s so what do you think about Baker? You said you Baker kind of drew you back into the Browns.
00:27:01
How do you think he's doing thus far? I just don't think he's clicking with the receivers.
00:27:06
And I just think that there is a clear disconnect there.
00:27:10
Um, obviously I know he evidences he was hurt on Sunday.
00:27:13
That's, you know, and then people were praising him for his toughness.
00:27:16
But I think especially at halftime, he had no business being out there.
00:27:21
I liked Baker at first, but over the past season and a half, I think he wore out his welcome with me based on a lot of hiss.
00:27:31
You know, his I don't know off the field stuff.
00:27:33
Not that he necessarily got in trouble.
00:27:35
I just think that, you know, he got a little too ****y a little too quickly, and I just don't think that he thinks he's still in Oklahoma.
00:27:43
You know, he still thinks he's the man, and he still is so much to prove.
00:27:50
How about how about the Browns overall under Stefanski? Any thoughts on Kevin Stefanski? What you've seen? I mean, I personally am a big fan because he's a dreamboat aan den.
00:27:59
He had, you know, he started off the season strong, obviously had a setback yesterday.
00:28:04
What's your ****ysis off Kevin Stefanski and what he's done his head coach of the Cleveland Browns to this point.
00:28:10
I mean, I think he's done a pretty good job.
00:28:13
This is a really, you know, on paper, really talented team.
00:28:16
So I think he's done a good job of managing the personalities because I think with O B J in there and Baker and you know, like the running back situation where you've got to make sure that everybody's kind of happy.
00:28:28
I feel like he's done a pretty good job given with what he has.
00:28:31
But he still has a long ways to go, and you know, all these people that are like, Oh, he's the guy, he's another one Just like Baker like I'm not convinced he's the guy, but I feel a lot better than him as a young up and coming coach than Baker as a third year up and coming quarterback.
00:28:48
So I think Kevin Stefanski, I could see him.
00:28:50
I could see him definitely being the guy to kind of right the ship, but I think it's just gonna take a lot longer than people think, and then getting off to a hot start has gotten people way too excited way too quickly.
00:29:01
All right, I'm taking the show into my own hands here, and I'm bringing the morale up.
00:29:05
LeBron's the goat, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:29:08
Okay, so you're in l a.
00:29:09
You watch him lift that title with the Lakers.
00:29:13
That's not more meaningful than 2016 right? Absolutely not.
00:29:16
I actually got into an argument the other day with my talent because we have Keyshawn Johnson.
00:29:21
You know, he used to be out the local show here in L.
00:29:24
A.
00:29:25
And a couple weeks ago, he started in the ESPN National show.
00:29:27
And so we still have him on once a week.
00:29:29
And he said something so crazy.
00:29:30
He said, I think this will be the most important championship that LeBron ever wins.
00:29:34
And I said, Are you nuts? How could you say that? He's like, It's radio, Lindsay, it's radio.
00:29:38
And I was like, I don't care.
00:29:39
He's like, it's l A.
00:29:40
You gotta play up to l.
00:29:41
A.
00:29:42
And I was like, No, I'm not gonna give in on this one, like for and I had this conversation with my dad yesterday.
00:29:46
For anyone to even think for a second, that it's comparable is insane.
00:29:51
And then to say that it's better, you're just just no, but and then people love throwing out like the whole overall finals record thing out there and trying to compare Jordan until LeBron, Where does this fourth championship put LeBron in the all time ranks for you? I still think he's the greatest ever, and I think you know, you're you're judging LeBron for making it to the finals and getting knocked out in the finals when Michael Jordan, you're saying he's better because he didn't even get that far.
00:30:20
So I just don't understand how you can say, you know, like he didn't win the Eastern Conference championship that year, so he's better than LeBron for winning it and even going seven games and losing.
00:30:29
So I just think that whole conversations bunk like MJ is obviously like there's one A and one B, but LeBron's number one perfect.
00:30:38
That's all I needed here.
00:30:39
Thank you.
00:30:40
Thank you for signing off eso.
00:30:43
How about the reaction of the fans to LeBron James out there and winning a championship for him? Obviously, that's got to be completely different than the field you get in Cleveland.
00:30:54
Can you discuss the difference in the fan reaction on both of these? So when I moved out here my first job, I moved out here for a job.
00:31:02
But NFL Network.
00:31:03
And there's the guy who had a desk across from me who was a huge Lakers fan, and he swore up and down.
00:31:09
This is 2017 that Kobe was better than LeBron back then in 2017 which is insane, and I would get in fights with them about it all the time.
00:31:19
And I realized over time that so many people think that way.
00:31:22
And then when Kobe passed away tragically, of course, that was like 100 fold.
00:31:26
So you've got so many Lakers fans out here who still think that Kobe is better than LeBron or that LeBron isn't one of the best Lakers or even MBA players ever because he hasn't done it in a Lakers uniform.
00:31:40
And LeBron even said himself.
00:31:41
I think a week ago, he said, I realized real quick when I got here that no matter what your resume is, no matter what you've done, it doesn't matter unless you do it here and he's right because people are saying, Oh, he's gotta win a couple more before I'll put him on my all time goat list of Lakers, which is nuts to me and I get in fights with people about it all the time, and their whole argument is just that He's lost in the finals.
00:32:03
He's lost in the finals, and I still I mean, you gotta give him credit for winning.
00:32:07
What was the 2017 for winning two of those games? Pretty much on his own.
00:32:11
And then we all know 2015 when that was 2015 12 of those games on his own, with injured Kyrie, injured Kevin Love and then 2017.
00:32:19
I still think Game one of the Finals changed like the path of history in the NBA forever because I think had the Cavs won that game, it would have been a totally different.
00:32:28
Siri's LeBron may have stayed in Cleveland another year.
00:32:31
Who knows what would happen, But now I'm just rambling.
00:32:33
So we're chatting with Lindsay full.
00:32:37
Give her a follow on Twitter at Lindsey baseball.
00:32:40
We would be remiss if we didn't ask you about the Indians.
00:32:43
So what do we need to do to beat the Yankees? Sell the team? Wow, Coming out.
00:32:53
I don't know what to say to that other than this ownerships.
00:32:57
Terrible.
00:32:58
I know there's, like, a big divide in the town or, you know, the ownership is one of the better owner.
00:33:03
There were some of the best owners in the league, and they've done everything they can.
00:33:06
No, they haven't there always crying, poor.
00:33:08
I'm not a fan of the Dolans.
00:33:10
Um, I just think that they really screwed up big time these past two years where they did that whole throw everything at the wall and see what sticks thing.
00:33:19
Because this is gonna be a completely different team next year.
00:33:21
That completely blew it this offseason by not getting any offense whatsoever.
00:33:26
And I don't know, I think they probably have even traded Linda or before the season started, because his value never would've been higher.
00:33:33
You know, just because with the whole pandemic, I just think it's really, really hard to judge these guys in and be ableto, you know, not knowing what next year is gonna look like either.
00:33:41
I think they probably would have gotten a lot.
00:33:44
Would have been able to get a lot more for him if they traded him before the season started.
00:33:47
But I don't know.
00:33:49
I think we're gonna in for a really dark time with the Indians and God, I sound so pessimistic.
00:33:54
Wow.
00:33:55
But I had not very happy this evening.
00:33:57
This is very just bringing the showdown.
00:34:00
Lindsay, I'm sorry.
00:34:01
I'm sorry, you guys, I'm just I'm a realist.
00:34:03
And I had all of these conversations with my dad yesterday, and I I live like my dad lives.
00:34:08
I curiously, through me, you know, because he still says I'll never see the Brown or the in the Indians.
00:34:14
Now he's like, I'll never see the Indians.
00:34:16
This Windows close.
00:34:17
I'll never see the Indians win again in this lifetime.
00:34:19
Now the Browns.
00:34:20
It's looking that way, too.
00:34:21
And I said, You know, Dad, things were rough when sports talk radio in Cleveland is saying that the Browns are the closest team toe winning a championship, you know we're in trouble.
00:34:31
Ouch.
00:34:32
Let's keep the negativity going here.
00:34:34
Let's talk calves.
00:34:35
I heard there's Ah, Nick.
00:34:36
What'd you say? Breaking rumors that Oh, yeah, breaking rumors.
00:34:39
Calves, calves, air after Josh Jackson, Pat Connaughton all the games in the NBA.
00:34:45
So at least be on the lookout for that, Lindsay.
00:34:48
Because when that news breaks, I'm sure that ESPN National Oh, you know so many nights watching the Lakers and the amazing LeBron and then turning on the Cavs for seconds.
00:35:00
It's just like, Well, one of my watching here I I told my day yesterday.
00:35:06
I don't think I could name three guys on more, you know, aside from Kevin Love, Tristan's gone now.
00:35:11
Thank Tristen.
00:35:13
Free agent Interested Not interesting is not coming back. That's not happening.
00:35:17
Um, we're talking, breaking news, breaking news with Lindsay.
00:35:22
Tristan is gone.
00:35:23
I didn't I didn't watch a second of the Cavs last year, to be honest this past season.
00:35:27
So that bad eso in the comments here we've got, uh, someone said they're they're high school science teacher.
00:35:33
Got struck by lightning twice.
00:35:36
So we're getting some lightning comments in here.
00:35:38
Not bad.
00:35:40
I'm sorry.
00:35:41
I feel really bad coming on here, just trashing all sports teams, But I'm I'm a real Cleveland sports fan.
00:35:46
How do you guys are any of you guys on the same level.
00:35:49
Do you guys have optimism about any of these teams, especially the Browns? We talk ourselves into a Browns win every week.
00:35:55
So Absolutely, absolutely, e will say among the three of the Browns probably have the best chance of making the playoffs.
00:36:03
I just don't I think there's still another year away.
00:36:06
Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, I think I think, at least of really being something, and that's all dependent upon whether we got the right pieces.
00:36:14
And it starts with Baker, right? Right.
00:36:16
Do you guys think about the guy? There's There's the million dollar Question, right? So we got We were talking about this earlier.
00:36:22
We got the option on Baker.
00:36:24
To what? What is it, Nick? You can pick it up in this off season For the fifth year.
00:36:29
He'd be going into his fourth year.
00:36:30
You pick up the option for the fifth year, and there's some question marks around that.
00:36:34
And if he keeps playing like he he just did on Sunday, I don't know that you pick up that option, do you? I mean, you got Stefanski here in new coach.
00:36:42
Obviously, Baker Mayfield is not his guy, right? he didn't draft him.
00:36:46
I mean, presumably, he likes what he sees so far.
00:36:49
I don't know who threw so many games, but you don't know that you're not guaranteed that.
00:36:53
So I boy, that's that's a question for you.
00:36:57
At this point, I'd say they kicked the can down the road.
00:37:00
They pick up the option and we look at him for another year.
00:37:03
But I don't know.
00:37:05
I don't know.
00:37:06
It's Hey, definitely in.
00:37:07
His third year is not making a compelling argument in my opinion, right? I mean, at what point? At what point is he is he still young? Is it's still early, is it? Are you still going to keep making up every excuse in the book? It's the first year of his ribs.
00:37:24
If his ribs were okay, Lindsay, then if we would have been fine, Come on, that's all.
00:37:28
It was just the ribs.
00:37:29
It was just the ribs than he should be.
00:37:31
Good to go in two weeks, right? That's right.
00:37:33
Then he'll be back just in time for the playoffs.
00:37:36
Lindsay.
00:37:37
Yeah, there's no problem, e, I do have a baker.
00:37:40
I don't come with me on this, Lindsay.
00:37:41
Come on, you gotta smile a little more.
00:37:44
Be a little bit more positive.
00:37:46
Come on, we're four.
00:37:47
And to hear this, this is probably gonna be the best.
00:37:50
We are absent last week that the Browns fans can feel about themselves right now.
00:37:55
Just just be with me on this.
00:37:57
I'm excited about what they've done so far.
00:38:00
But the Browns, the Clevelander and me is just, you know, I can't help it.
00:38:06
It just shines through.
00:38:07
And then again, like I said, you know, being out in L. A.
00:38:11
And seeing the Lakers do what they do.
00:38:13
And the Dodgers like what a game that was yesterday.
00:38:15
That was an amazing game.
00:38:16
And seeing them come back down 3 to 1.
00:38:18
And you know, when the Indians were on the other side of that coin, what she's doing here, she's doing the big city thing on us now in the big city with the big lights.
00:38:28
You know, we got real teams out here that actually spend money and have free agents that come in and want to play for us that she's gonna go to next.
00:38:36
We're just fly.
00:38:37
Oh, we're just fly over country now.
00:38:38
Come get me That's what I have to say.
00:38:41
They're not my teams.
00:38:43
They never will be.
00:38:44
But I have to play along. I have to watch.
00:38:47
I have to study the games because it's talk show fodder.
00:38:51
But right, you know, it's the ground.
00:38:54
They're still often the but of all of the jokes every week when it comes toe making picks and stuff like that, so I do what I can.
00:39:04
Well, excellent.
00:39:05
Is there anything you want to plug while you're on here with us, Lindsay? No, not that I can think of everybody.
00:39:12
Go on, Go on.
00:39:13
Twitter and follower at Lindsey.
00:39:15
Baseball. Right.
00:39:16
This podcast.
00:39:17
Even though if you're hearing this, you obviously already listen to this podcast, right? So absolutely no, I mean, I dio l a local radio out here.
00:39:26
It's the ESPN station and I don't think that any of our Cleveland brethren would be really big fans of just hearing.
00:39:35
Everybody praised the Lakers and LeBron and now the Dodgers.
00:39:38
All day, every day.
00:39:39
A lot of LeBron fans here still Yeah, but you know, they talk much football in L.
00:39:46
A.
00:39:47
No, that's going on at that zoo.
00:39:49
Really strange that coming from Cleveland, where, you know, I always tell people we could be, you know, in a playoff hunt with the Indians.
00:39:57
The calves could be about to win the NBA championship.
00:40:00
And people still want to talk about the Browns backup quarterback, no matter what that's exactly right.
00:40:05
And case Keenum, baby, we have a whole segment devoted to him coming up.
00:40:09
We're already back to that.
00:40:11
Yeah.
00:40:12
I wouldn't be mad if case Keenum you know, I'd give case Keenum a shot, right? Oh, come on.
00:40:18
Here we dio here we dio It's a slippery slope.
00:40:21
Now we're in the back up quarterback talk again.
00:40:23
Yeah, Nothing like a good little Cleveland quarterback dispute.
00:40:28
Oh, but yeah, I I just think that it's it's not.
00:40:32
We have two football teams out here, and honestly, most people I know are still Raiders fans, and the Raiders are in l.
00:40:39
A are in Las Vegas now, so there's not very many Charger fans.
00:40:44
I've yet to come across one of those live in in person.
00:40:47
Um, but and then the Rams fans are few and far between.
00:40:50
Usually they're really rich people who have season tickets for the company or something.
00:40:55
I don't really know any real, genuine, diehard Rams fans.
00:40:59
That's insane.
00:41:00
That's what how unfair life is.
00:41:02
Like Cleveland.
00:41:03
People would live and die with the Browns and rightfully so.
00:41:07
It's passed down in families like our fandom, and then Ela ends up with the glitz and the glamour, and teams that float in float out and they'll win at times.
00:41:17
But but the championships never come home here, and it's It's unfortunate, Lindsay.
00:41:22
I know the Cleveland fan base deserves it more than anybody, I think.
00:41:27
And and it's always the teams like Boston, like people complaining about Boston or or even Tampa Bay.
00:41:33
Like who even lives in Tampa Bay? They don't Nobody even goes to the games.
00:41:36
They're the worst in attendance, and they're going to the world. Siri's.
00:41:40
And now you got Tom Brady down there and nobody cares.
00:41:43
And then? Then they won the Stanley Cup and they had a couple 100 fans show up to celebrate that.
00:41:48
It's just crazy.
00:41:49
Uh huh.
00:41:50
Let you going off on every city going on.
00:41:54
Something's going.
00:41:55
Cleveland.
00:41:56
You know, we're getting we're missing out and I don't know why.
00:41:57
Maybe there's some I don't know, some dead bodies buried somewhere that air cursing and everybody.
00:42:04
I'll tell you what.
00:42:05
Once the curse is lifted and the Browns make the playoffs this year, Lindsay, we're gonna have you back on at that point to bring some or positivity to that playoff run.
00:42:12
Yeah, because I'm so positive.
00:42:15
E feel really bad thing.
00:42:18
The Browns just got trounced yesterday.
00:42:20
We're all up for this. This is fine.
00:42:22
Yeah.
00:42:23
I mean, this is the whole mood right now.
00:42:24
It's like the whole Yeah, that's right.
00:42:27
That's right.
00:42:28
Let it all out.
00:42:29
Well, thank you, Lindsey.
00:42:30
Once again, everybody go give her a follower at Lindsey. Baseball.
00:42:34
Thanks, guys.
00:42:37
All right.
00:42:38
Great stuff from Lindsay.
00:42:41
Sorry.
00:42:42
I didn't realize how negative I was were still on the air.
00:42:45
Okay, you're ask.
00:42:46
You're good.
00:42:47
Thanks for Thanks for joining.
00:42:49
We'll have you out of good. Definitely.
00:42:51
Okay, Take care.
00:42:54
Love it, Lindsay.
00:42:55
Baseball, ladies and gentlemen, probably more positive than a lot of bronze fans right now.
00:43:01
So, you know, let's let's bring up the positivity.
00:43:04
Chris, what do you say? Oh, absolutely.
00:43:06
I am here for the possible.
00:43:07
You know, we debris on the show again.
00:43:09
16 and oh, yeah, she'd still be swearing.
00:43:12
We're going to the Super Bowl right now.
00:43:14
We need that vibe that we dio that we dio good stuff.
00:43:18
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00:43:20
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00:43:25
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00:43:34
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00:43:42
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00:43:43
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00:43:48
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And John is going to give them $100 just because he's an awesome dude.
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So greatly giving back Dave do giving back? Yeah, he just reached out to me randomly.
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I think that's fantastic. Thanks, John.
00:44:14
And, uh, this week will put out something so that people can nominate and hopefully we can spread around some of the love this This holiday season it's been a tough 2024.
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Ritchie says, Uh, sorry.
00:44:37
I love that you said sorry for being negative.
00:44:39
John goes, Where's gabbed, Miss Positivity? When you need her, Nick's gonna get positive.
00:44:44
I'll try to bring us up here. Come on, now.
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Look at that.
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Oh, we've got matching donations, but Grandma is going to match.
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Oh, wow. So we're at $200.
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I say we matches a show to make it $300.
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I'm in on that.
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That's a big turkey.
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300 bucks.
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Alright, We're up to 300.
00:45:01
John, look what you started starting tastic stuff.
00:45:05
Fan staff.
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And he looked great in that big play reflux shirt, too.
00:45:09
Yes, he did.
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Yes, he did.
00:45:11
All right, so let's all right, we got some positivity going now.
00:45:14
300.
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Go. Turn it all around.
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This is good karma.
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This is good.
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Caramba! Were playing the Bangles.
00:45:19
That helps out a little bit, giving back to the community.
00:45:23
This is all good stuff.
00:45:25
This is all good stuff.
00:45:26
You pay the money you get on the ride, it goes up, down and around. Positive.
00:45:30
Let's talk some breaking news, not breaking news.
00:45:44
All right, so everybody knows.
00:45:46
Brown's dropped to four and two yesterday.
00:45:48
Got pounded by the Steelers.
00:45:50
That's why we're wearing Big Ben jerseys.
00:45:51
38 to 7.
00:45:54
Baker look bad.
00:45:56
Offensive line looked awful.
00:45:58
They got bullied the entire game.
00:46:00
Defense gave up over 100 yards rushing.
00:46:03
Nick.
00:46:04
Curious to get your thoughts here? Who do you think deserves the blame for this God awful nightmare? That was yesterday, Kevin Love.
00:46:13
Yeah, Kevin Love.
00:46:14
That's the only, And that's the only answer I could think of.
00:46:16
You could throw RG three.
00:46:18
His name into that conversation is Well, I'm always up for a good RG three.
00:46:21
Blame, I think who I'm blaming, though, is ourselves for getting a, for for getting that excited, you know and way did it before ball towards the We played our two losses this season.
00:46:34
The quota more.
00:46:35
That was the first game of the season.
00:46:37
Nick, Come on.
00:46:38
What are you supposed to be? Up way? Come on.
00:46:42
And that's and that's why we hate the NFL when this when we play the schedule game every year because they could never do us a favor for that first game of the year.
00:46:49
So the Browns to losses of the first six come against teams that are elite teams that have solidified organizations with proven head coaches, longtime GM's and a culture.
00:47:02
The Browns are a team that air learning how to become good, and that's how that's not a bad thing.
00:47:07
The Browns are a team that air learning to become high.
00:47:10
How to be good.
00:47:11
They're beating up on the teams that they're supposed to be beating up on their winning a few surprise herbal games along the way.
00:47:16
I mean, Dallas, the Colts look at Twitter.
00:47:18
Before those games, they were the favorite pick in those by, you know, majority, the Browns fans going in.
00:47:24
So they're winning the games that they need to be winning, and they and they lost the two elite teams.
00:47:30
Are we going to do this to the Buffalo Bills today as I have the you know wot whites of this game on TV.
00:47:35
Josh Allen, who's the third guy in the M V P race going right now, played horrible.
00:47:40
They put up 17 points, But guess what? It was against the Chiefs, who are an elite team.
00:47:45
The Bills browns in the same situation.
00:47:47
They're learning how to become good.
00:47:49
This is just a growing pain.
00:47:51
Without Nick Chubb, defense actually was the only bright spot yesterday.
00:47:56
If you could believe that or not, it's gonna be OK.
00:47:58
The sun came up today.
00:48:00
It's a new day.
00:48:01
Everything's gonna be fine.
00:48:03
We have some awesome listeners.
00:48:04
So, Kev on Twitter says, Make it 3.
00:48:06
50 were up to 3.
00:48:08
50 for Thanksgiving.
00:48:10
You guys are awesome. Thanks, Kev.
00:48:12
Thanks.
00:48:13
Everyone on Thanks, John, for starting that off.
00:48:16
Nick, I think that was a very rational take.
00:48:19
Yeah.
00:48:20
I mean, we're four and two guys like we're four and two.
00:48:23
It'd be a different conversation if this was ah, Freddy kitchens team or a huge Jackson team.
00:48:28
And we're sitting here.
00:48:29
Uh oh.
00:48:30
In six with no identity scratching our head after dash on, Kaiser lasted another three interception game and saying, Man, I wonder what the Browns.
00:48:38
We're gonna do, man.
00:48:39
Are there any good free agent quarterbacks? This.
00:48:41
It's freaking Cleveland, man.
00:48:42
No, no. Free agent quarterbacks.
00:48:44
They're gonna wanna come here.
00:48:45
Well, let's look towards the draft.
00:48:46
Let's get those mock draft simulators fired up were four and two guys.
00:48:50
Yeah, but Nick So here's where I fall on this because I think that you have to question how good our offensive line is.
00:48:58
I know why I tell us out.
00:48:59
But yeah, maybe there was one guy all of a sudden our way, played the Pittsburgh defensive line.
00:49:06
They're really, really good.
00:49:08
So we pushed around some bad teams.
00:49:11
Colts were, you know that they were good, but we pushed around some bad teams.
00:49:15
If if our line can't compete against one the elite teams, we don't have a chance.
00:49:22
You look at Aaron Rodgers yesterday got sacked like five times.
00:49:27
No one's calling for his head.
00:49:28
He looked awful.
00:49:30
How many points of this square like 10? Yeah, he and he And he looked bad.
00:49:33
And he's a guy that's up there in that M V P conversation as well.
00:49:37
The thing with the line yesterday, Boy T.
00:49:39
J.
00:49:40
Watson, but to Pre were just anticipating the living hell out of those snap counts.
00:49:44
They had almost a running start on virtually every snap, and you're not gonna win football games that way.
00:49:49
And Stefanski blamed himself after the game not once, but twice that he continually put the Browns and that offense in a tough situation on.
00:49:58
You know, those third downs like that was so predictable.
00:50:01
Any fifth grader that's ever played, Madden knew what was coming up.
00:50:04
So definitely room for improvement after yesterday.
00:50:07
Like you said Dave, the line was bad and it made you.
00:50:11
It made you wonder things about the dude that you drafted.
00:50:14
And I don't want to go there yet because it's literally the guys sixth game and participant to play.
00:50:20
Just drink.
00:50:21
Really? E.
00:50:23
I mean, he played a pretty good year.
00:50:25
Yeah, yeah, he's had a great year.
00:50:26
And he played one of the elite guys in the league and one of the elite defense is in the league like it's OK.
00:50:33
That was his worst game by far.
00:50:35
Okay, so be it.
00:50:38
Yeah, that's true, Chris, What do you think? Like we're usually pretty optimistic on Baker, But if if the lines.
00:50:47
Pushing back like I tweeted out during the game was like he he looked scared like you go through his one read and then he would just look at these Pittsburgh defenders running in at him and got the happy feet in the pocket.
00:50:59
I feel like you got to just roll this guy out.
00:51:02
If you've got, if you've got strong defensive line, that's going to put any pressure on him well and that's been kind of the winning formula for him is first of all not to have him throw the ball whole lot and second of all to roll them out.
00:51:14
Um, you know, a lot of people are making excuses for him being injured.
00:51:17
The problem.
00:51:19
The red flag that I saw in this game and we've talked about Baker on this show and I have several times about him overthrowing people and just physically missing guys.
00:51:28
And a lot of people were saying that he was, you know, some of the interceptions from yesterday and some of the poor throws that he was having that he had, um were due to the fact he was injured, but I question his decision making.
00:51:40
I mean that that first interception went back like where you throwing that ball? I don't care how messed up his ribs are, like, what's going on in your head to make that throw or attempt to make that throw.
00:51:54
So that's That's where I have some serious concerns right now because he's got to know if he is injured, some of his limitations with the throws.
00:52:03
And then, secondly, he should, after studying the Steelers defense, be able to to pick him apart a little bit better than that.
00:52:11
A little bit better than that.
00:52:12
And I know the defense is good for the Steelers, and I know that.
00:52:16
You know, the Steelers overall are good ball club, but I'm expecting more progression out of one Baker Mayfield.
00:52:21
If he's gonna be our franchise quarterback, and there's a big question marks right now is we just talked about with with Lindsay s.
00:52:27
So they're kind of going back to your point.
00:52:30
Um, they I put a chart up here and it's the Cleveland Browns perspectives chart, and and it has all of the different level.
00:52:41
So Nick and Chris, I want I want you to Where do you think we are on this chart, and I'm gonna start at the bottom.
00:52:47
Hugh Jackson era.
00:52:49
No laughing stock of the entire NFL.
00:52:53
No, a new Jets.
00:52:55
A New York football team.
00:52:56
Right in Africa.
00:52:58
Giants picking up that w this weekend.
00:53:01
Right? Way to go, Greg Williams.
00:53:03
Shut out again by right.
00:53:06
All right, We're so we're still climbing Average NFL team.
00:53:09
We're right there.
00:53:11
You think we're average? I think we're average.
00:53:14
I'm taking one stop shop of average NFL team.
00:53:17
Chris, are you willing to go there? I mean, we're right at 15 right? We're right at 15.
00:53:22
If you're ranking all the teams in the league, I don't know that we're top 10.
00:53:26
I think we peek a top 10 baby, but I think realistically playing the whole season out, we're probably a 15 ranked team.
00:53:34
Alright, So, Nick, you're going above average team.
00:53:36
Do you go playoff team? Yes.
00:53:41
And And I go? Yes, because you play both of those New York teams that we just insulted.
00:53:47
You play the Jacksonville Jaguars, you play the Houston Texans, which, by the way, you know, shout out, shout out Romeo Crennel.
00:53:53
He could hey was really wobbling around on that sideline, like what's left of Romeo Cornell is, is coaching the Texans.
00:54:01
You know you have Carson Wentz, who's really slow and looks really bad with the Philly Eagles.
00:54:07
The Browns, you know, using that ****ytics in the ESPN, FBI and everything have the easiest schedule ahead in the entire National Football League.
00:54:16
So I have them above being, uh, you know, above average team.
00:54:20
I have them being a playoff contending team.
00:54:22
Yes. Okay.
00:54:23
So playoff you could be middle of the pack.
00:54:26
Could be a place you want.
00:54:29
If you want to get into the point, we're gonna be the NHL here pretty soon.
00:54:33
Everybody, except for two teams, makes it.
00:54:34
If you wanna play like the whole, like the mighty dot the adjusted schedule game, like 10 and six, you get the Browns could go 10 and six, Realistically, go look through that schedule and still be the third best team in the division.
00:54:49
And I have to play a wild card game like that's just the cards that we're dealt because this division is that good.
00:54:54
But a wild card game is still a playoff game, so I'm giving them that.
00:54:58
Well, it's much better than last If you want.
00:55:00
If you God don't way didn't make the playoffs, I remember that very well.
00:55:05
Yeah, we went out.
00:55:06
And since you didn't make the playoffs, thank God they added that Extras playoff Seriously? Yeah, but I mean, think Think about that.
00:55:12
Like a couple years ago.
00:55:15
A few coaches ago way were awful.
00:55:19
And I know we're, like at a different a different place now because we have an actual star studded team in a real coach.
00:55:25
But, like, where did you think we were gonna be like? There's only one more thing on that chart, which is contender.
00:55:31
We're not a contender yet.
00:55:32
Like, I don't think anyone it could have been.
00:55:34
A I don't think anyone in Cleveland thought we were going to go to the Super Bowl this year.
00:55:39
I mean, there's a few 16 no people out there, but this isn't that bad.
00:55:46
You know, when the schedule came out, I just talked about the schedule game when the when the schedule came out a couple months ago.
00:55:51
You know, after we were all worried about the covert stuff and then once that god of the way and it seemed like the NFL was gonna have a season for sure.
00:56:00
Had I told you guys throughout six weeks, this team is going to be four and two? Would you have taken it because I would have taken it? Absolutely.
00:56:08
Yeah, so? So, there you go.
00:56:10
That's kind of a victory Monday in and of itself.
00:56:14
God, we talked ourselves into victory Monday.
00:56:16
Yeah, but all right, let's bring it down.
00:56:17
Let's step it down a notch.
00:56:18
Because is Baker ever going to get to the point where he can beat those elite teams? Do you trust him enough right now? Where? If the runs not working and we're losing that, he can bring us back for a victory through passing the ball to these elite wide receivers.
00:56:36
The good news is you don't have to worry about it this week.
00:56:39
We don't have to worry about way.
00:56:41
Got the Bangles, run the ball like running game of the time.
00:56:45
Decent defense.
00:56:47
Let's see.
00:56:48
Let's see if we can confuse Burrow A little bit will be fine.
00:56:51
And and here's where I'm at it with that Dave is.
00:56:54
So what's the alternative? So if Baker isn't correct, those, you know, win those big games, and he's only gonna win against the easy teams.
00:57:01
Well of him winning against You know, Brown's Twitter and angry Baker's Twitter that mind you majority wanted Sam Donald wanted Josh Allen, Josh Rosen just a couple of years ago, and those guys love bringing up those takes from the from three years ago.
00:57:16
Well, what's what's the alternative? Is it case Keenum? Because, yeah, Is it Kyle Loleta like, because I saw yesterday Case Keenum is no Joe Montana, and it's it's about time before the down throw is awful.
00:57:29
Lot bright.
00:57:31
It's about time that people in this city stop chasing talent out of, said City.
00:57:37
Sometimes you need to develop a guy, and I almost wish that Baker didn't have that all world rookie season, so these expectations wouldn't be sky high.
00:57:46
I have a little graph here that I'm gonna read off my phone of their of three of three quarterbacks in their 1st 34 NFL games.
00:57:55
Wait Peyton Manning Troy Aikman and helps the third getting one Drew Brees, Baker, Mayfield and Brett Farve, a guy that Baker compares himself to so really two guys, both on the smaller scale spectrum wise so throughout 34 breeze was 25.
00:58:13
Baker is 25 far was 24.
00:58:16
Baker has thrown MAWR attempts than all of those guys.
00:58:18
Obviously, the NFL is moving towards past heavy Baker's at 1135.
00:58:24
Far was at 11.
00:58:25
25 breezes at 10.
00:58:28
58.
00:58:29
Okay, that doesn't really matter.
00:58:30
Attempts per game also doesn't matter, Baker and far both at 33 breeze at 31.
00:58:35
Then we look into the yards total.
00:58:38
82.
00:58:39
We're gonna do this.
00:58:40
Yes, we are going to compare them. Thio.
00:58:42
Yes, I am going to compare them to Brett Farve because everybody needs to relax.
00:58:46
We run this guy out of town For what? We have four wins.
00:58:50
What? Where do we turn with four wins, Chris, are we turning contract? We're gonna finish four and 12 because I don't even think four and 12.
00:58:57
You get Trevor Lawrence, You're not getting Trevor Lawrence.
00:59:00
You're not getting Justin Fields.
00:59:01
Do we hope that we could trade for deck because I surely don't think that's gonna happen.
00:59:06
So here's a question.
00:59:07
Who in Brown's past quarterbacks would you take over Baker Mayfield.
00:59:13
Nobody from 1999.
00:59:15
Chris.
00:59:16
Anyone you would take? Okay.
00:59:17
Tim Couch on the stars of the team.
00:59:18
Probably pretty good outside of Tim Couch.
00:59:21
Anyone else you would take over Baker? Mayfield.
00:59:24
I'd hear an argument for Derek Anderson.
00:59:27
He didn't even go to the playoffs.
00:59:31
10 wins, brother and wins.
00:59:34
But he had Braylon Edwards? No, seriously.
00:59:36
There you would take Derek Sanderson over Baker.
00:59:38
Mayfield? I don't know. It might be close.
00:59:42
You give him some weapons, man.
00:59:43
It's I would take Baker.
00:59:47
Take Baker out of all of those.
00:59:49
I'm taking Tim Couch, though.
00:59:50
My point is I'm taking Tim Couch.
00:59:53
Baker could be a pretty decent quarterback.
00:59:56
He's not going to be the most elite guy in the league.
00:59:58
But I'm not trying to go, you know? Oh, you know, Let's just settle for Baker.
01:00:04
Mayfield.
01:00:05
But to next point, what the heck else are we gonna dio? We gotta develop somebody at some time.
01:00:10
What do we do? We want to go back to the third round and pick some random jokes.
01:00:15
Who's doing that? Dustin Crumb from Cat.
01:00:18
No one's running him out of town right now.
01:00:20
People are if you start case twitters Twitter.
01:00:24
If you If you bench case Keenum and then there's people.
01:00:27
There's plenty of people out there.
01:00:28
I'm sure if we ran a poll, there would be an alarming amount of people that want Case Keenum to play with the Browns.
01:00:34
Well, if you do that, you're You've ran Baker out of town successfully because we said that with bringing Baker in for Tyrod Taylor.
01:00:42
Once you open that bag of chips, you gotta eat the whole freaking bag and we're eating it with Baker now.
01:00:48
And if you open the bag of chips that says Case Keenum on it, guess what? The other bag of chips, which is Baker Mayfield, is in the garbage because he's done here.
01:00:56
You can't You can't do that.
01:00:59
You can't.
01:01:00
I'm so sick and tired of these case Keenum people, because once you take Baker out, you can't go back to him.
01:01:06
That's the Mike Pettine philosophy this week.
01:01:09
It's Johnny this weekend toy er, where you just pick quarterbacks off the seat of your pants, Kevin says.
01:01:15
Hopefully he could become Tannehill.
01:01:17
John, says Trent Dilfer.
01:01:20
I take Trent Dilfer with this right? So that was the other name.
01:01:23
It was at the tip of my tongue.
01:01:24
Todo your Twitter account for commenting that All right, you know what we gotta do? What's that? Let's break up the headlines.
01:01:33
Let's play the baseball card game, break it up and then we're gonna talk Bangles and then we're going to get out of here.
01:01:38
That's fine.
01:01:39
Let's do it.
01:01:40
So, Dave, I've got Fleer 91.
01:01:42
I've got score Siri's to which is also 91.
01:01:45
Which would you rather have? Fleer or score? I feel like my luck's been really good with Fleer.
01:01:52
I'm gonna switch it up just in case because I don't think I could win somebody in a room going score.
01:01:56
You're gonna go score.
01:01:57
By the way, I gotta throw this out there because I did before we got on the show.
01:02:02
Other John in the comments on Facebook.
01:02:05
Hey said, I've got some boxing winnings.
01:02:08
Yes, I want some squares on boxing this Saturday night, but he came up to me around the fire watching boxing outside, and it's like, Hey, I'm doing pretty well with those baseball cards.
01:02:21
So I was like, I didn't know anyone.
01:02:22
Watch that. Thank you.
01:02:24
Alright, Dave, I'm nervous.
01:02:26
You're going away from what works here.
01:02:28
I hope you know that's what I'm going to case Keenum. Let's go.
01:02:31
Yeah.
01:02:32
Okay. Hopefully.
01:02:33
So for those of you don't know how we play this game, we open up two packs.
01:02:37
One for me, one for Dave.
01:02:39
We pick each two dudes, two of the players out of this pack that we think are the best.
01:02:44
And then we're gonna use my in turn over here.
01:02:46
Noah is going to be the decider on who's got the better to cards.
01:02:50
All inspired by Mike Levinger and Mike Love Interest game play during covitz.
01:02:56
Alright, Dave, Here's what you got.
01:02:57
So this is me.
01:02:58
This is the score pack, right? Yes.
01:03:00
This is, you know Greg Olsen from the Orioles tight Ruben Sierra.
01:03:05
Oh, that's a great card.
01:03:07
Yeah, right fielder for the rangers.
01:03:08
Brad, Brad, Arms.
01:03:10
Berg from the Padres? No, Danny Tartabull.
01:03:14
That's right.
01:03:15
That's a good card to know.
01:03:16
Boy staying with the Royals.
01:03:18
Mike McFarlane, catcher.
01:03:19
He was around for a while.
01:03:21
Rob Ducey from the Blue Jays. No idea.
01:03:24
Doug Jennings from the Athletics.
01:03:27
Walt Terrel from the Tigers.
01:03:29
Sounds made up.
01:03:30
Scott Lewis rookie card from the Angels.
01:03:33
Another rookie card.
01:03:35
Ray Young from the Athletics.
01:03:36
That's not worth.
01:03:37
Oh, Eric Davis from the Reds.
01:03:40
Oh! Oh! A first round draft pick.
01:03:44
Rookie card.
01:03:46
Chipper Jones should stop Atlanta Burn Chipper Jones, But he's phenomenal.
01:03:52
This is a shortstop there.
01:03:54
I got a tough Jones.
01:03:55
This is a good package.
01:03:56
This is a great pass.
01:03:57
Oh, wow.
01:03:59
John R.
01:04:00
Two D two ola Rude.
01:04:02
Oh, no.
01:04:03
John Old Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:06
What the heck is going on? Ben McDonald, Pitcher.
01:04:10
I won.
01:04:11
It's over. Don't even open your car. Third base.
01:04:13
So, Darryl Strawberry, I got You're gonna get Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:18
Uh, basically e love John Ole Rude.
01:04:21
Yeah, he's definitely wearing a batting helmet.
01:04:24
Chipper Jones rookie card.
01:04:26
All right, I'm gonna go, man.
01:04:28
I had some good ones early to. I'm gonna go.
01:04:30
Yeah, I'm gonna go Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:32
And I'm going to G o.
01:04:34
Um Whose? Whose? Last one.
01:04:36
You just said. Not chippers.
01:04:38
Yeah, I gotta go. Chipper.
01:04:39
Gotta go.
01:04:40
Chipper Chipper Jones, rookie card and Darryl Strawberry with the Nine Mets.
01:04:44
Okay, here's mine.
01:04:45
McNeil is going to get.
01:04:47
Cannot wait for this pack.
01:04:49
A pack of stickers, a piece of gum from the nineties and logo card and three checklists.
01:04:56
So we start off with a card stuck together a Twins logo sticker.
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There's a call we're starting off.
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Well, Lloyd most be from the Tigers.
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Wow, Tom her from the Mets.
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Dave Steve from the Blue Jays.
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I'm not making these up. They sound like accountants.
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Darren Fletcher from the Phillies.
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These are the guys that Michael Jordan played against in the Finals.
01:05:22
Duane Ward.
01:05:24
The way an award from the Blue Jays.
01:05:25
Dan Pascua least hurt.
01:05:27
Am Terry Steinbach? Yep.
01:05:33
Jim Deshays.
01:05:35
Oh my God! Melido Perez.
01:05:39
Greg Olsen tightened.
01:05:41
Hey, Indians outfielder Bo Al Rid already thinks is great.
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Hey, here we go.
01:05:50
Cubs pitcher Greg Maddux there.
01:05:53
There's a days.
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Come on, I need one more.
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Do you have I got two left? Oh, man, I got Billy Ripken.
01:06:01
Cal.
01:06:02
I got the wrong Ripken locale.
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Todd Todd Base.
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Benzinger.
01:06:08
Oh, this is rough.
01:06:09
Greg Maddux from the So who are you going to pair with Greg Maddux? Greg Maddux is.
01:06:15
It matters what Billy Ripken, Al's brother.
01:06:20
Let's see.
01:06:21
I don't think I have anybody older, younger brother.
01:06:23
He's younger.
01:06:24
He's remember he's the one with the famous baseball card.
01:06:26
What was? What's his average on? That's all right where it says F face at the face of that.
01:06:31
That's a tremendous story.
01:06:34
It is so okay.
01:06:36
No, uh, my team is Greg Maddux from the Cubs at the time, and Billy Ripken versus Darrell Strawberry and a guy by the name of Chipper Jones, who was a first round draft pick evidently.
01:06:49
Okay, so you're really downplaying.
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You're really playing up home field advantage here. E.
01:06:54
Which one are you going with? Yes, going with Darryl Strawberry and Chipper Jones.
01:07:02
Folks, that's an upset for you.
01:07:04
I really thought I had it with E 02 solid cargo ship Jones Rookie card draft, Actually, Yeah, that's a good card.
01:07:14
Greg Maddux with the Cubs, those air keepers and the Minnesota Twins sticker.
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Here you go.
01:07:20
No, Uh, that's what you get for being our judge today.
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Minnesota Twins sticker.
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Lucky guy.
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What? That was well learned.
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That was a Well, yes, it waas All right, back on track.
01:07:31
What were you talking about? In headlines? No idea.
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Who, All right, so Cincinnati Bangles safe to say we didn't cover the spread last week. Yesterday.
01:09:40
First, the Steelers moving on.
01:09:42
We are 3.
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5 point favorite.
01:09:45
We were 3.
01:09:46
5 point underdog against the Steelers, 3.
01:09:48
5 point favorite against the 14 and one sounds like a Brown's record of past Cincinnati Bengals.
01:09:57
Nick, you're betting on Baker and the Browns to cover this? Yeah, I'm done on Baker in the Browns to cover this, because if you remember to our show before the first Bengals game, they didn't do that.
01:10:08
Joe Burrow rallied behind and made it way too close at five.
01:10:12
And the Brown and the question then was, can the Browns defense sing with anybody, let alone the big boys.
01:10:19
So I think we've come a long way in six weeks.
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And I do think the Browns take care of that spread on Sunday.
01:10:26
Chris, I'll tell you what.
01:10:28
Just coming out firing today is Hey, really is man.
01:10:33
He's like, super fan over here.
01:10:36
I'm loving it.
01:10:37
Come on.
01:10:38
I mean, I mean, they're not super fan, but 3.5 points.
01:10:41
Like if the Browns win by a touchdown, you're winning money.
01:10:44
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.
01:10:46
I think the Browns can cover.
01:10:47
I think they're gonna come out a little ****ed off after what happened to him yesterday.
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And I think they're gonna cover that 3.5.
01:10:53
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it's a little bit closer than what it should be once again, just because I know that Cincinnati is gonna have some fight in him, you know, Borough really wants to show that he's the best quarterback in Ohio already, I think, and eso that's going to drive a little bit.
01:11:08
But it also caused him to make some murky missed aches.
01:11:11
So that's the reason I think the brown we're gonna cover this week.
01:11:14
Alright, So over under this week.
01:11:16
Brown's defense did their best to hit it yesterday against Steelers, but this week, 51 a half is the line.
01:11:25
Last time it was 65.
01:11:27
Chris, you're going over.
01:11:29
You know I'm going under.
01:11:31
I think I'm going under.
01:11:32
Really? Yeah, I hate to bet the under.
01:11:34
You know, real men go over, but it just seems like, you know, we could get into some sort of a slugfest, just an unexpected slugfest that happens every once in a while in this division.
01:11:45
You've seen the Browns kind of putting up a lot of points generally this season, Um, and I could see just something unexpected happening where we just slow down the pace of the game.
01:11:56
Cincinnati follows our lead, and then it's a lower scoring ballgame.
01:12:00
Start to run the ball.
01:12:02
Alright, so let's let's look at Baker and Joe Burrow because last time these teams met Joe Burrow through the ball 61 times, his baker even thrown at 61 times.
01:12:15
This year, it's close.
01:12:18
No, no, no has Baker has Baker Noah.
01:12:20
What's the highest number of attempts this season? It's not 61.
01:12:25
No, it's gotta be week one you would think when they got behind really real quick and Baltimore.
01:12:32
Yeah.
01:12:33
So do you think those two combined borough and Baker the over under for passes? Um, 65 attempts, not completions attempts.
01:12:46
65.
01:12:47
I'm gonna go under again, Dave, For the same reasons that I just said.
01:12:50
You think we're gonna run the ball, we're gonna run the ball.
01:12:53
And I think Cincinnati is gonna kind of match that.
01:12:55
I really think with mixing, they're probably gonna be gonna be rolling a little bit more with the run.
01:13:00
Nick, what do you think? Is this gonna be a game where Baker tries to come out and prove himself or you think he's kind of still hurt and he's gonna run? I mean, I think they're gonna run.
01:13:08
But 65 combined between two quarterbacks is a relatively low number facing the fact that, you know, like you said, Dave burrow through it over 60 times himself the first one.
01:13:18
So I'm going over there as well, Like Chris said, people kinda right out Joe Mix.
01:13:23
And I think he's a really good player, and they like throwing to him as well.
01:13:26
Even those stupid one yard passes that break for six that still counts is a throw, which is very frustrating because the Browns tend to give those up Thio tackles on those Bakers.
01:13:38
Most attempts in a game this season actually happened yesterday.
01:13:42
Wow, 39.
01:13:44
That's not smart, either.
01:13:45
I have to say that is not smart.
01:13:48
A guy with bruise ribs on his throwing side, throwing for the most times that he has.
01:13:52
Yet this season, I know Kareem really didn't get a game.
01:13:56
Yeah, Case took some of his touches to Boy, not a great game plan.
01:14:02
No, not at all.
01:14:04
Alright, so let's there.
01:14:05
There is a positive Myles Garrett.
01:14:08
He's recorded a second five straight games.
01:14:11
Can't remember the last Cleveland Brown to do that.
01:14:14
That would be a great stat for Notre.
01:14:15
Michael Dean Perry.
01:14:16
Did he really I doubt it.
01:14:18
Who's the? You said there was such confidence, though.
01:14:22
I believed you, of course, because he was my favorite player.
01:14:25
Yeah, Chris could have.
01:14:27
Chris could have said ish Molly kitchens with that amount of confidence, and I was like, Okay, kitchens did do that 1011 e Myles Garrett over under sacks against Joe Burle and the Bangles.
01:14:43
1.5, Nick.
01:14:45
Actually, Chris, I'm gonna go to you because I want you to redeem yourself and take the over.
01:14:50
Let's take the over.
01:14:51
Why not? Come on.
01:14:52
Two sacks for Mr Myles Garrett.
01:14:55
They hear it over there, too? Yeah, You heard it over, man.
01:14:59
Their offensive line.
01:15:00
Somehow it got worse, and they refused to make any changes to it over there in Cincinnati.
01:15:05
And the fans there are frustrated.
01:15:07
I think maybe this could be the game where forced They're forced to make a change on the offensive line because Burrows getting eaten alive and with Garrett. Vernon.
01:15:17
Dave.
01:15:18
I know you asked me on my show if I thought Vernon would do anything.
01:15:20
Hey, batted the ball down yesterday.
01:15:22
So look at that.
01:15:23
I think those guys will wreak some havoc on borough.
01:15:26
Okay, there we go.
01:15:27
More positivity.
01:15:29
Alright, Chris, trick play.
01:15:30
We run in 1.5.
01:15:32
Trick play over under.
01:15:34
Really? Okay.
01:15:36
It's going to involve Jamie Guillain.
01:15:39
You know what? We were at the I think we were at, like, the 50 ish during that game, and Guillen had it.
01:15:46
I was like, There's no way he does it again.
01:15:49
They're not gonna block for him.
01:15:50
Don't do it.
01:15:51
Then he was yesterday to Was he started? Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, yes.
01:15:57
Scottish hammer banged up hamstring.
01:15:59
You can't hurt the Scottish hammer.
01:16:01
No, no, you know that.
01:16:02
That was just deception on the part of Kevin's too fancy in the Browns training staff.
01:16:06
To put that on the injury report.
01:16:08
He's like Jim Brown used to be.
01:16:10
He get up slowly and then he'd come out on the next plane, go 100%.
01:16:14
That's the way Jamie Guillen is. Come on.
01:16:16
That's right.
01:16:17
So how you guys feeling about this game, Chris? Overall thoughts? Well, one day removed, talked a good game about how we're gonna beat the hell out of this Bangles because they suck their 14 and one.
01:16:29
What does surprise you? What does surprise you? If we went down there and laid another egg? I do not want to go on the Internet If we lose this game.
01:16:37
No, let's not make any bets because I don't wanna have to wear Bangles.
01:16:40
Jersey on top of this, I kind of e.
01:16:44
I was thinking about that.
01:16:45
I was like All right, I'm gonna go better Bangles, personality, influence or whatever on Twitter.
01:16:51
Just so I could wear a Joe Burrow jersey over this big Ben jersey for the rest of the year.
01:16:55
Someone have a big bed, and then I'm gonna have a borough.
01:16:57
Ls you may be a borough.
01:16:59
Ohio State will go burro. E o.
01:17:02
We gotta get Nick wearing jerseys.
01:17:04
Nick Europe on betting this week.
01:17:07
Okay.
01:17:08
Actually, I'm gonna sit that out.
01:17:10
Maybe.
01:17:11
Maybe.
01:17:12
Maybe I'll try that out against, like, the Jaguars.
01:17:14
I wouldn't mind wearing a Gardner Minshew jersey.
01:17:17
Uh, just are picking the teams.
01:17:20
I'll try it.
01:17:21
I'll try it out versus Philly because I can't wear, You know, we got green behind me.
01:17:26
I can't really wear the green on this, so I'll try it out with one of those there.
01:17:31
We dio All right, let's do some bold predictions and get the heck out of here.
01:17:38
We're running late.
01:17:39
Let's do it.
01:17:44
Oh, brother Trip.
01:17:53
All right, Nick, you have a bold prediction for us this week.
01:17:57
I do have a bold prediction, David.
01:17:59
I agree with Chris.
01:18:00
I think the game is gonna be a little bit closer.
01:18:02
I like you said, I'm not super optimistic.
01:18:05
Way talked a big game on the show.
01:18:07
We got all excited.
01:18:09
I told you guys not to panic about Baker Mayfield.
01:18:12
But I do think it's gonna be close.
01:18:13
And I do think at some point Baker is gonna have toe win a game with his arm.
01:18:17
We saw Kareem Hunt not be able to get much traction on the ground.
01:18:21
I'm predicting The Cleveland Plain Dealer headline on Monday morning.
01:18:26
Browns and Baker bounce back.
01:18:29
Browns beat Bangles Baker three.
01:18:31
Tut ease over 300 in the air and the Browns air right back five and two were celebrating a victory Monday.
01:18:37
Next week. Boys. Nice.
01:18:39
There you go, P.
01:18:40
D.
01:18:41
He's doing your work for you.
01:18:42
That's right.
01:18:43
There you go again.
01:18:44
Come get me, Christie.
01:18:46
You have a bold prediction for us.
01:18:48
I am Noah.
01:18:49
Think of a bold prediction.
01:18:51
I'm gonna have you give a bold prediction after mine.
01:18:53
So we didn't talk about it all on the show, But the Ohio State University's begins play this Saturday.
01:19:01
They're playing Nebraska, and my bold prediction is Ohio State is going to do the bidding of the Big 10 and blow out Nebraska just totally blow the doors off because Nebraska president went out there and spoil the surprise announcement.
01:19:15
The foot ball was coming back.
01:19:17
The Big 10 wanted to get back at him.
01:19:19
That's why they gave them Nebraska, Nebraska, Ohio State on the schedule, Week one.
01:19:24
So Ohio State's gonna do their bidding and just destroy those corn Huskers on Saturday.
01:19:29
Chris, give me a score for that.
01:19:31
It's gonna be 50 to 21.
01:19:34
, hell, yeah.
01:19:37
How about that? And those They're all gonna be garbage time.
01:19:40
21 points from Nebraska.
01:19:42
And then everyone on Brown's Twitter would be calling for Justin Fields.
01:19:47
Way even had a common in here today.
01:19:50
It was like, Well, I wonder if you could still trade Odell and move up for Justin Fields like, Nope, not going there.
01:19:56
We're not going there. My bold prediction.
01:19:58
I am going to say Baker, Mayfield outplays Joe Burrow.
01:20:04
That's not.
01:20:05
Yes, it is.
01:20:06
That's bold.
01:20:07
Third year quarterback out bold.
01:20:10
That's bold, man.
01:20:12
That's really bold, Dave, you're really feeling your oats today? No.
01:20:15
You got a better one than David.
01:20:17
Come on.
01:20:18
No, I bring us on here Sunday Sunday.
01:20:26
All 30.
01:20:28
We're gonna 31 points in the first half for your Cleveland Browns. You heard it here.
01:20:33
First Intern? No.
01:20:34
A 31 point is that mostly gonna come through the air via the ground, going to come from the ground and pound for 31 points in the first half in Cincinnati.
01:20:46
Book it.
01:20:47
There you go.
01:20:48
That's bold, Dave.
01:20:49
That is trying to teach you how to make a bold prediction.
01:20:51
Not a third year quarterback.
01:20:52
You know what? After this week, I thought that was pretty bold.
01:20:54
John says Ward, pick six for the win.
01:20:57
He's a 63 17 Buckeyes.
01:21:00
I love it.
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All right.
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Thanks to everyone in the comments, that was super cool.
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Raising some money for some people in need live on the air.
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That was sweet thanks to everyone for chipping in with that huge shoutout to shock news for the continued sponsorship, uh, shadow to my bookie as well.
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Just do the opposite of me.
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And thanks to Lindsay baseball, we got some positivity in thanks.
01:21:30
Tune in.
01:21:31
Well, thanks.
01:21:32
Thanks to David and a joke who for answering my D.
01:21:34
And when I asked him if he'd be on the show to a trust the rumors today and Dave, what did he respond with? No, within a minute.
01:21:42
No, it was like five seconds.
01:21:46
Thanks, David. Joke, Thanks to David joke.
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Alright, guys, We will see you next Monday night, nine pm Have a good week.
01:21:54
Go browns.
01:21:56
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It's just going backwards.
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Big plays with fire food Truck alike.
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Welcome to the big play Re flog show.
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Today is Monday, October 19th, 2025.
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I'm your host.
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Big play, Dave.
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Alongside my main man, Mr Chris MacNeil.
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What is going on, Dave? I've had better day.
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Let me get me.
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I have to get off.
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There you go.
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I'm putting you on the screen. That's a way better Jersey.
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Yeah, yeah, of course.
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We lost our bet with bar stools.
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So with Joey over there, So you have to wear a big bend jersey, and I have to wear a big bend jersey.
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I selected a Miami RedHawks Big bend jersey, so I feel at least somewhat clean.
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Whereas you are completely unclean.
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This smells like cheap cologne from the guy.
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I borrowed it from down the street.
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And to be fair, Big Ben was wearing it himself.
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Would probably smell in the same way.
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You smell like a bathroom.
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Yeah, Nick, what's going on, man? Welcome to the show.
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You look way better than both of us. Oh, yeah.
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Last night was one of those nights where you had toe turn on the final five minutes of Game seven and 2016 so figure no better way toe, you know, balance out the show with the two big Ben jerseys, then throwing this bad boy on tonight.
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Yeah, right to the comments.
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You guys look like hell.
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God, you look horrible in that first time watching the show. Hey, Timmy.
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First time watching the show and I'm were wearing fricking big bend jerseys.
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Welcome to the show.
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This isn't a regular occurrence.
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Just until week 17 E.
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That was a stupid bet.
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That was a really dumb bet, Right? In hindsight, bad move.
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Really bad move.
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Didn't think that one through Barstow was gonna kill Barsa was gonna have their jokes about this in the morning when they all wake up, right? Yeah.
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All right. Well, enough of Big Ben.
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Thanks, Joey.
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We really appreciate that bet.
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Uh, tonight on this show, we're kicking it off with some power rank. Monday.
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We're not gonna talk. Brown's right away.
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We're going Best horror films.
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Get yours in the comments here on.
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Then we're gonna go to our featured interview of the week.
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ESPN Radio producer Lindsey Fulton joining the show.
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Gonna talk some browns with her Cleveland girl on.
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Then we will follow that with Cleveland Headlines Brown's Air four and two.
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That's not bad.
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Brown's Air four and two We're looking ahead to the Battle of Ohio verse Joe Burrow and the Bungles in Cincinnati in Kentucky.
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Uh, maybe do a little Baker Mayfield talk.
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Get our thoughts on him and I know Nick wants to get in there on that.
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After that, we'll get into the big plays of the week sponsored by my bookie, gets, um, parlays in there for that since the game, when we go back to five and two and give our predictions are bold predictions on the show with that.
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So let's kick it off with a little bit of power rank Monday, as we had into Halloween season.
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It's time, fool.
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Power rank Monday.
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All right, it is mid October prime scary movie season.
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So in honor of the Browns offense yesterday, how much power rank the scariest movies we've seen? I will kick it off with my number three. Got my ding ready.
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I am going with scream.
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Very good choice.
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So scary.
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Remember the movie theater, See? Yeah, it really did.
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I was terrified of that movie growing up? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you probably a teenager when that thing came out.
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I was a teenager when that came out, so it had just the right mix for a teenage boy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nick, How old were you and Scream came out? I don't know.
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It was the year two.
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I don't know.
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It's like 97 right? Yeah, Probably right around there.
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It was because it was 96.
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E was closed.
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I was negative.
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Two years old. Oh, my God. Wow.
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December 20th, 96.
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So you missed that. Wow.
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Yeah. I was not here for that one.
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Boy doesn't seem that you go.
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Whoa, man.
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All right, whatever next.
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Shut up.
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Number two, get out! Have you guys seen this? I did.
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I did. I didn't think it was that scary.
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No, it wasn't that.
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It was more of a social commentary type of thing, and I didn't find it a scary I did enjoy the movie, but, uh, it was definitely bizarre.
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I'm not I'm not a scary movie guy.
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I feel like most probably 90% of them are no good.
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I don't know.
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No, uh, have you know, I've got my intern here.
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Noah? No.
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Have you seen the movie? Get out.
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You have? Is that a horror movie? He says he says No.
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He says more of a thriller.
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I kind of take that E.
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I don't know about horror movie, All right.
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What's your number one? No day whatever.
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Number one this'd isn't either alien, but also not have no even get you understand? This category really pulled me.
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Oh, wow.
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You got this all the time like you had.
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These were movies that I was scared off except get out.
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Not really.
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Alien man.
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I went I was on a like, more than my first sleepovers.
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And like the older brother, made us watch Alien.
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I feel like I was like, I don't like seven super Super scary.
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Yeah, for me.
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And like that category, I've like paranormal activity.
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That was like a sleepover movie where the older brother, same with, like, taken like that's not really a horror movie, But it's ****ky, like somebody gets abducted in it.
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So stuff like that, Yeah, I get that John says, Do you know what a horror movie is? Dave And he says, And Nick, you are super super young Chris.
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Top three. Top three.
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Okay, My number three.
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It was actually scream, Aziz.
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Well, I put on a scary movie, but that was that was the satire based upon screaming, basically and a bunch of other movies.
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But I meant scream because I am with you, Dave.
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That one. Definitely.
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Uh, it wasn't all that scary.
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I wouldn't say, but it was entertaining.
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I always loved these kind of movies that have a perspective about themselves and can kind of laugh at themselves while being a little scary as well.
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So that's why I scream kind of rub that spot for me. That's a good one.
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My number two.
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Silence of the Lambs.
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This was great.
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I watched that when I was about,, 16 years old.
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I want to say, okay, and it just freaked me out.
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Just freaked me out the whole Hannibal Lecter thing and about Anthony Hopkins just played that so wonderfully.
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And just so it was just It just freaked me out.
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Just his whole vibe in that movie.
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So that was a fantastic, fantastic movie, and actually, one of my favorite.
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Yeah, you don't get much better than that.
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No.
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And then my number one horror movie, the all 22 film on Baker Mayfield from yesterday.
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I mean, that was that thing was basically snuff porn for Steelers fans, right? I mean, that was That was ugly.
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That was tough to watch.
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Tough to watch.
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Yeah, we'll get into that in a little bit.
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Can't wait.
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MK grandma on Twitter haunting of Hill House.
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Okay, Never heard of it.
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I've heard of it, but gosh, I I don't know.
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Is that black and white? Is that colorized? Don't don't date your mom.
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Well, I'll try not to, uh, Cleveland Sports reports as the conjuring and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Jared says, Ah, horrible batty.
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I know.
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Candy man.
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Hell. Raiser Nightmare on Elm Street camp.
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What's up? Camp says I watched Silence of the Lambs with Nick, and he slept the entire time.
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Oh, Nick.
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Okay, let's let's get into Nick's top three here.
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Alrighty.
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So my number three after camp calls me out on the show.
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I'm going with it because it to me is is both of them.
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They're not the perfect horror movies.
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They're not like, scarier pants off scary.
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But Pennywise the clown as as a storyteller myself and someone that loves to write and loves to interview.
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People get their stories out there.
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Pennywise is such a dynamic character, and he's so interesting the way that he dresses the, you know, balloon, the whole coming out of the Stuart thing.
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I love everything.
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Stephen King. I really love everything.
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Halloween, that's a That's a fun fact about me is I'm super into Halloween.
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That's definitely my favorite holiday.
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So it is my number three now, which, which would cause play anything with cause play for Nick, I'm sure.
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All right.
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Uh, Number two.
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Johnson's Knicks blush number.
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Speaking of Cause play, How about LeBron James back in the day? Dressing up is Pennywise.
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Remember that? I mean, that was amazing.
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That was amazing.
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Every year, LeBron nails Halloween.
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I don't know if you guys keep up on that or what, as much as I do every year.
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LeBron costumes are just out of this world. Good.
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Hey is known to throw some of the best Halloween parties.
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It was it was a huge deal in 2016 after we won the champions 31 literally through a 3 to 1 themed party, LeBron has been as big into Halloween as I am.
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It must be the December 30 birthday.
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Okay, Number two, Nick throwing that out there.
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So we buy him. Gift's coming up. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Coming up. Me and LeBron baby, The Shining.
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This is a good one. This is another classic.
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Uh, it's so ****ky.
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The whole red rum thing that that's out of this world.
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I don't know who wrote this movie, but whatever they were on when they were writing it Thio to create the Red room thing.
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We're the hallways of this building.
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Just flood with blood.
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That is disgusting.
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That is freaky.
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It's gory.
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That's a great movie, too.
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So the shining is my number two.
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You got the Here's Johnny Jif that Browns fans used a lot of one man, So e J f e don't know.
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Is it gift or is it just give The creator of the word has said what it is, but I ignored said Creator, I guess.
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Correct.
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That's what you should do anyway.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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That's another Stephen King, by the way.
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Yeah, that is another Stephen King.
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You notice a trend here? Okay, I'll break that trend, though my number one.
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This is a Netflix movie.
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The autopsy of Jane Doe.
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Have either of you guys watch this one? So this is another one that I watched it cams house.
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When did you stay awake? 2016 stayed awake.
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This is one that after the movie we watched it tonight I sprinted out to my car.
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It is terrifying.
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Watch I I don't want.
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I don't want to spoil everything.
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They get locked in like an asylum type of environment that it turns into you.
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It's super freaky as faras scary movies go.
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This is definitely one of the scariest that I've watched.
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I definitely recommend it to everybody out there if you're looking for a little extra ****ky this October.
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The autopsy of Jane Doe.
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Definitely.
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I was moving my way out of camps house to my car.
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We don't have Netflix.
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There's any kind of a sponsor, but I'm gonna throw one out there for that.
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Kids can watch.
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For the most part, I think it's PG 13 but they cut the Hubie Halloween.
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Have you seen that with Adam Sandler So bad? Yeah, but it's got a bunch of call backs to his other movies, which I just did those Easter eggs.
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So the callbacks air great.
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I mean, the beginning scene.
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He's got Ben Stiller in their reprising his role from, uh, Happy Gilmore, where he plays the nurse.
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That's a male attendant.
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So at the very beginning, and there's a few other Easter eggs like that that make it watchable for the adults.
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And then the kids would like it so But otherwise it's just Adam Sandler playing the exact same Adam Sandler guy he plays in every other.
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So I think Adam Sandler signed a deal with Netflix years ago where you had to come out with a new movie every year.
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Okay, and so he's like, All right, what are we gonna dio? I guess we're going.
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You got Rob Schneider in it? Yes, Rob Schneider's in it.
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I mean, he's got the same lady who's from modern family, who is also the PR person from the PGA and having more okay, She's in it, you know, Just everybody Meadows is Tim Meadows is in it.
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All these folks, I'm gonna have to check that out.
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Nick, were you afraid of the dark? It's no silence of the Lambs, and it's not scary But I mean, it will give you a chuckle here. A chuckle.
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They're kind of lighthearted. Fun for the family.
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That's funny.
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Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown.
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Halloween.
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Also a runner up.
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Not a horror movie, but it's a class that's not a classroom.
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That out there this time of year.
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The great pumpkin.
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You know, he carves it.
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Oh, no, You killed it.
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That's that's just great.
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All right.
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That was Power rank Monday that was powering Monday.
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We're moving on to our featured.
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Any of you were going to talk a little? Brown's here.
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Talk with Lindsay Fulton.
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We will be back in roughly 40 seconds.
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It will take the people already on the line.
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We've got you like that, Chris.
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Clues Like sports.
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Been stepping up your game.
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And ESPN radio producer.
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She has worked with Fox Sports NFL Network.
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Yahoo Sports.
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It is the one and only Lindsay Fulton.
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Welcome to the big play reflux show.
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How are you? I'm great. Thanks for asking.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Absolutely so let's kick right into it.
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So you've worked with all the big guy? All the big guys in sports.
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Uh, ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports Yahoo which has been your favorite one to work with.
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Can't say the one you're at now.
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I got to go in the past.
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Well, if I can't say the one that I met now I'm gonna have to go with Well, that's kind of tough, K and R No, I would say Yahoo Sports, because I had I had, like, an awesome opportunity there.
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Knr.
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I mean, I do really miss like the old Crema Ginny guys complaining about Cleveland Sports 24 7 something We don't get out here in l. A.
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Um, but yeah, Other than that other than those guys that probably say Yahoo Very cool.
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Very cool.
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Uh, let's let's talk some Brown's.
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It's on everybody's mind right now.
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We've We've lost Teoh a couple really, really good teams that we face this season.
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We we beat a good Colts team.
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We beat a few bottom dwellers along the way.
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How How good do you think this this Brown's team is? And how long have you been a die hard fan? I mean, I would I wouldn't call myself a die hard fan right now.
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I don't know how to say this.
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So So I grew up is a Browns fan.
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My dad used Thio engineer the Browns games for Casey Coleman.
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Never. Chandler like you name it.
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So I remember, you know, being a little kid and going up and sitting in the up in the booth and hanging out and just thinking it was the coolest thing ever, which is kind of wide.
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I do what I do now.
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Um, but then when they moved, you know, it was like it that formidable age around, like, 10 years old, where I guess that was one like my four sports fandom was really developing.
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So I just became such a diehard Indians fan that my love for the Browns kind of faded, and they've had a hard time getting me back in because I'm sure everybody else you get hooked.
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I got hooked with Johnny Manziel.
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I got hooked with Brady Quinn.
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I got hooked with Baker.
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And now this year I'm just I said if they beat Pittsburgh, I'm I'm 100% all back in, and they didn't.
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So yeah, where we are.
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So that's why you're handles, not Lindsay football.
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Exactly.
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Any good stories for being up in the booth from back in the day with your dad and those Casey Coleman and all those guys back in the day.
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I mean, I was pretty young, so I don't remember a ton.
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I do remember the last day, Um, the last game in Cleveland Municipal Stadium.
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My dad took his big, huge video camera and took me in my whole family out there.
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So we've got some pretty cool videos that show him, like touring everything with us going in the locker room and, you know, me holding up jerseys and stuff.
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But, um, I would say, like the coolest memory from the booth days with my dad was when he got struck by lightning on the air.
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Okay, Okay.
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You will have to tell us about this one.
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Now, what happened? How did you get struck by lightning on air during a Browns came, So I guess it was storming.
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Um, there.
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I think they were in Tampa Bay.
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To be honest, he was on the roof because there were transmitter issues or whatever.
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He had to go up and check things out.
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And while he was up there, he got struck by lightning.
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So my mom, who would always listen to the games on the radio.
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We were driving around and I heard them say on the radio, I think it might have been never that said, Well, our engineer, Steve Fulton, we just want to say good luck to him.
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Best wishes because he just got struck by lightning and he didn't say what happened.
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So, like, I was like, What's going on? I have no idea what happened.
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Nobody called or anything.
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So it wasn't until, like an hour to later that somebody called her from the hospital that my dad was at and said that he was okay.
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And I guess he said the only you know he's a little shaken up, but like the bottom of his Nikes were melted and that that was pretty much it.
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So Oh wow, President perspective.
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Even after yesterday's debacle, the Browns almost killed a man back in the day for him. Oh, man.
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So, Lindsay, you used to be back at K and R.
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Did you see the goat of K and R Bracket Challenge? I do.
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I still listen to raise Okay, so I did Listen to that.
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I think it was Jim Donovan, that one, that right Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, I listen to that.
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It was pretty interesting.
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There was people in there I've never even heard of, though.
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Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
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I work okay.
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And are currently your a K and Harlem, both of us snubbed from the goat of K and R Bracket Challenge.
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What the hell is up with that one and two? Any on memories? With Riz there? I'm honored to be snubbed by people like, um, Jordan Zimmermann and, I don't know, trying to think of some other ones that I had never heard of.
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There's a few people.
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I was there for a while, too.
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I mean, I work different eight until 2013.
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Um, that's a long time.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I was mostly a board up, and I worked a lot like at night, and I did a lot of random stuff there.
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Um, So I'm like I said, I'm honored to be snubbed by some of the even greater employees there, but I mean, nothing crazy there.
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I mean, most of the craziness was working with Munch at five. In the morning.
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Um, my body.
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What was that like? Tell.
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Tell us a good month story.
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I go on with Munch every week.
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Lindsey on his show up, The gambler.
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Now every Friday morning at 6 30 AM He's doing that thing.
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So any good month stories for us, I mean, I used Thio.
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It's his show that I produced was one of my first shows I ever produced was lunch with lunch, and we used to go to, like, RBS and tackle bells and all these random places, and we would set up our comrades and do a radio show.
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And I remember almost every week Brian Hoyer's dad would come out and sit with Munch and sit right next to us and get his three RBS and hang out.
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And like once in a while, he got Brian Hoyer. Come in.
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And I remember much saying like, Oh, he's gonna be a big deal.
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I'm like, yeah, much. Okay, whatever.
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And now you know he's in the NFL so good for him.
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Wow.
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So you do Hoyer back then when he was, how old was he? This was before college.
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He was in high school.
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That Ignatius, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.
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All right, Lindsay.
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So the a F.
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C.
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Is tough this year.
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You know, you talked about how the Browns kind of lost.
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You definitely, really lost after yesterday.
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It's tough, but they added 1/7 playoff spot this year.
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Where do you think the Browns fall into that conversation? And if they do crack a playoff spot, do you think that's the way that the Cleveland Browns can kind of take your heart back this season? If they if they were able to? Yes, I think so.
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Onley Because And it's not that I'm a front runner.
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It's just as you guys know, You could only have your heart broken so many times.
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And I'm still recovering from the Indians in 2016.
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So you know you're on the left Coast now, right? So therefore, everybody's a frontrunner, right? Let's be honest pretty much.
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I mean, it's really strange because I have to kinda like, play up the whole Dodgers thing because the Dodgers are obviously going in the world.
00:25:55
Siri's the Lakers.
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It was kind of easy for me because I always root for LeBron.
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He's the best, Um, but yeah, I don't know.
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I think if they make the playoffs, I definitely be all all in again, but I just don't see it happening.
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I had them at five wins.
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I said they'd be lucky to get five wins at the beginning of the year.
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I say that's, I don't know, maybe six or seven now, because they won so many unexpected at the beginning of the season.
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But I mean, you have to beat the Steelers.
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You have to beat the Ravens, and they just look like they're on a completely different level than both of those teams.
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And if you can't beat the teams in your division, then it is what it iss.
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It is what it is.
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That's right.
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Oh, that's rough.
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Now you're bringing me down even ****her than what I was before.
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I don't mean to, but it's funny because all of my friends at work, like the one guy's big Baker fan.
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He calls him the headband, and he's always rooting for him.
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And I'm just like, I don't know guys I don't know.
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They're like So, are you excited about your browns For And one? I was like, cautiously optimistic, as Andy Basket would say.
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So I guess, s so what do you think about Baker? You said you Baker kind of drew you back into the Browns.
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How do you think he's doing thus far? I just don't think he's clicking with the receivers.
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And I just think that there is a clear disconnect there.
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Um, obviously I know he evidences he was hurt on Sunday.
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That's, you know, and then people were praising him for his toughness.
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But I think especially at halftime, he had no business being out there.
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I liked Baker at first, but over the past season and a half, I think he wore out his welcome with me based on a lot of hiss.
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You know, his I don't know off the field stuff.
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Not that he necessarily got in trouble.
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I just think that, you know, he got a little too ****y a little too quickly, and I just don't think that he thinks he's still in Oklahoma.
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You know, he still thinks he's the man, and he still is so much to prove.
00:27:50
How about how about the Browns overall under Stefanski? Any thoughts on Kevin Stefanski? What you've seen? I mean, I personally am a big fan because he's a dreamboat aan den.
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He had, you know, he started off the season strong, obviously had a setback yesterday.
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What's your ****ysis off Kevin Stefanski and what he's done his head coach of the Cleveland Browns to this point.
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I mean, I think he's done a pretty good job.
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This is a really, you know, on paper, really talented team.
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So I think he's done a good job of managing the personalities because I think with O B J in there and Baker and you know, like the running back situation where you've got to make sure that everybody's kind of happy.
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I feel like he's done a pretty good job given with what he has.
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But he still has a long ways to go, and you know, all these people that are like, Oh, he's the guy, he's another one Just like Baker like I'm not convinced he's the guy, but I feel a lot better than him as a young up and coming coach than Baker as a third year up and coming quarterback.
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So I think Kevin Stefanski, I could see him.
00:28:50
I could see him definitely being the guy to kind of right the ship, but I think it's just gonna take a lot longer than people think, and then getting off to a hot start has gotten people way too excited way too quickly.
00:29:01
All right, I'm taking the show into my own hands here, and I'm bringing the morale up.
00:29:05
LeBron's the goat, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:29:08
Okay, so you're in l a.
00:29:09
You watch him lift that title with the Lakers.
00:29:13
That's not more meaningful than 2016 right? Absolutely not.
00:29:16
I actually got into an argument the other day with my talent because we have Keyshawn Johnson.
00:29:21
You know, he used to be out the local show here in L.
00:29:24
A.
00:29:25
And a couple weeks ago, he started in the ESPN National show.
00:29:27
And so we still have him on once a week.
00:29:29
And he said something so crazy.
00:29:30
He said, I think this will be the most important championship that LeBron ever wins.
00:29:34
And I said, Are you nuts? How could you say that? He's like, It's radio, Lindsay, it's radio.
00:29:38
And I was like, I don't care.
00:29:39
He's like, it's l A.
00:29:40
You gotta play up to l.
00:29:41
A.
00:29:42
And I was like, No, I'm not gonna give in on this one, like for and I had this conversation with my dad yesterday.
00:29:46
For anyone to even think for a second, that it's comparable is insane.
00:29:51
And then to say that it's better, you're just just no, but and then people love throwing out like the whole overall finals record thing out there and trying to compare Jordan until LeBron, Where does this fourth championship put LeBron in the all time ranks for you? I still think he's the greatest ever, and I think you know, you're you're judging LeBron for making it to the finals and getting knocked out in the finals when Michael Jordan, you're saying he's better because he didn't even get that far.
00:30:20
So I just don't understand how you can say, you know, like he didn't win the Eastern Conference championship that year, so he's better than LeBron for winning it and even going seven games and losing.
00:30:29
So I just think that whole conversations bunk like MJ is obviously like there's one A and one B, but LeBron's number one perfect.
00:30:38
That's all I needed here.
00:30:39
Thank you.
00:30:40
Thank you for signing off eso.
00:30:43
How about the reaction of the fans to LeBron James out there and winning a championship for him? Obviously, that's got to be completely different than the field you get in Cleveland.
00:30:54
Can you discuss the difference in the fan reaction on both of these? So when I moved out here my first job, I moved out here for a job.
00:31:02
But NFL Network.
00:31:03
And there's the guy who had a desk across from me who was a huge Lakers fan, and he swore up and down.
00:31:09
This is 2017 that Kobe was better than LeBron back then in 2017 which is insane, and I would get in fights with them about it all the time.
00:31:19
And I realized over time that so many people think that way.
00:31:22
And then when Kobe passed away tragically, of course, that was like 100 fold.
00:31:26
So you've got so many Lakers fans out here who still think that Kobe is better than LeBron or that LeBron isn't one of the best Lakers or even MBA players ever because he hasn't done it in a Lakers uniform.
00:31:40
And LeBron even said himself.
00:31:41
I think a week ago, he said, I realized real quick when I got here that no matter what your resume is, no matter what you've done, it doesn't matter unless you do it here and he's right because people are saying, Oh, he's gotta win a couple more before I'll put him on my all time goat list of Lakers, which is nuts to me and I get in fights with people about it all the time, and their whole argument is just that He's lost in the finals.
00:32:03
He's lost in the finals, and I still I mean, you gotta give him credit for winning.
00:32:07
What was the 2017 for winning two of those games? Pretty much on his own.
00:32:11
And then we all know 2015 when that was 2015 12 of those games on his own, with injured Kyrie, injured Kevin Love and then 2017.
00:32:19
I still think Game one of the Finals changed like the path of history in the NBA forever because I think had the Cavs won that game, it would have been a totally different.
00:32:28
Siri's LeBron may have stayed in Cleveland another year.
00:32:31
Who knows what would happen, But now I'm just rambling.
00:32:33
So we're chatting with Lindsay full.
00:32:37
Give her a follow on Twitter at Lindsey baseball.
00:32:40
We would be remiss if we didn't ask you about the Indians.
00:32:43
So what do we need to do to beat the Yankees? Sell the team? Wow, Coming out.
00:32:53
I don't know what to say to that other than this ownerships.
00:32:57
Terrible.
00:32:58
I know there's, like, a big divide in the town or, you know, the ownership is one of the better owner.
00:33:03
There were some of the best owners in the league, and they've done everything they can.
00:33:06
No, they haven't there always crying, poor.
00:33:08
I'm not a fan of the Dolans.
00:33:10
Um, I just think that they really screwed up big time these past two years where they did that whole throw everything at the wall and see what sticks thing.
00:33:19
Because this is gonna be a completely different team next year.
00:33:21
That completely blew it this offseason by not getting any offense whatsoever.
00:33:26
And I don't know, I think they probably have even traded Linda or before the season started, because his value never would've been higher.
00:33:33
You know, just because with the whole pandemic, I just think it's really, really hard to judge these guys in and be ableto, you know, not knowing what next year is gonna look like either.
00:33:41
I think they probably would have gotten a lot.
00:33:44
Would have been able to get a lot more for him if they traded him before the season started.
00:33:47
But I don't know.
00:33:49
I think we're gonna in for a really dark time with the Indians and God, I sound so pessimistic.
00:33:54
Wow.
00:33:55
But I had not very happy this evening.
00:33:57
This is very just bringing the showdown.
00:34:00
Lindsay, I'm sorry.
00:34:01
I'm sorry, you guys, I'm just I'm a realist.
00:34:03
And I had all of these conversations with my dad yesterday, and I I live like my dad lives.
00:34:08
I curiously, through me, you know, because he still says I'll never see the Brown or the in the Indians.
00:34:14
Now he's like, I'll never see the Indians.
00:34:16
This Windows close.
00:34:17
I'll never see the Indians win again in this lifetime.
00:34:19
Now the Browns.
00:34:20
It's looking that way, too.
00:34:21
And I said, You know, Dad, things were rough when sports talk radio in Cleveland is saying that the Browns are the closest team toe winning a championship, you know we're in trouble.
00:34:31
Ouch.
00:34:32
Let's keep the negativity going here.
00:34:34
Let's talk calves.
00:34:35
I heard there's Ah, Nick.
00:34:36
What'd you say? Breaking rumors that Oh, yeah, breaking rumors.
00:34:39
Calves, calves, air after Josh Jackson, Pat Connaughton all the games in the NBA.
00:34:45
So at least be on the lookout for that, Lindsay.
00:34:48
Because when that news breaks, I'm sure that ESPN National Oh, you know so many nights watching the Lakers and the amazing LeBron and then turning on the Cavs for seconds.
00:35:00
It's just like, Well, one of my watching here I I told my day yesterday.
00:35:06
I don't think I could name three guys on more, you know, aside from Kevin Love, Tristan's gone now.
00:35:11
Thank Tristen.
00:35:13
Free agent Interested Not interesting is not coming back. That's not happening.
00:35:17
Um, we're talking, breaking news, breaking news with Lindsay.
00:35:22
Tristan is gone.
00:35:23
I didn't I didn't watch a second of the Cavs last year, to be honest this past season.
00:35:27
So that bad eso in the comments here we've got, uh, someone said they're they're high school science teacher.
00:35:33
Got struck by lightning twice.
00:35:36
So we're getting some lightning comments in here.
00:35:38
Not bad.
00:35:40
I'm sorry.
00:35:41
I feel really bad coming on here, just trashing all sports teams, But I'm I'm a real Cleveland sports fan.
00:35:46
How do you guys are any of you guys on the same level.
00:35:49
Do you guys have optimism about any of these teams, especially the Browns? We talk ourselves into a Browns win every week.
00:35:55
So Absolutely, absolutely, e will say among the three of the Browns probably have the best chance of making the playoffs.
00:36:03
I just don't I think there's still another year away.
00:36:06
Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, I think I think, at least of really being something, and that's all dependent upon whether we got the right pieces.
00:36:14
And it starts with Baker, right? Right.
00:36:16
Do you guys think about the guy? There's There's the million dollar Question, right? So we got We were talking about this earlier.
00:36:22
We got the option on Baker.
00:36:24
To what? What is it, Nick? You can pick it up in this off season For the fifth year.
00:36:29
He'd be going into his fourth year.
00:36:30
You pick up the option for the fifth year, and there's some question marks around that.
00:36:34
And if he keeps playing like he he just did on Sunday, I don't know that you pick up that option, do you? I mean, you got Stefanski here in new coach.
00:36:42
Obviously, Baker Mayfield is not his guy, right? he didn't draft him.
00:36:46
I mean, presumably, he likes what he sees so far.
00:36:49
I don't know who threw so many games, but you don't know that you're not guaranteed that.
00:36:53
So I boy, that's that's a question for you.
00:36:57
At this point, I'd say they kicked the can down the road.
00:37:00
They pick up the option and we look at him for another year.
00:37:03
But I don't know.
00:37:05
I don't know.
00:37:06
It's Hey, definitely in.
00:37:07
His third year is not making a compelling argument in my opinion, right? I mean, at what point? At what point is he is he still young? Is it's still early, is it? Are you still going to keep making up every excuse in the book? It's the first year of his ribs.
00:37:24
If his ribs were okay, Lindsay, then if we would have been fine, Come on, that's all.
00:37:28
It was just the ribs.
00:37:29
It was just the ribs than he should be.
00:37:31
Good to go in two weeks, right? That's right.
00:37:33
Then he'll be back just in time for the playoffs.
00:37:36
Lindsay.
00:37:37
Yeah, there's no problem, e, I do have a baker.
00:37:40
I don't come with me on this, Lindsay.
00:37:41
Come on, you gotta smile a little more.
00:37:44
Be a little bit more positive.
00:37:46
Come on, we're four.
00:37:47
And to hear this, this is probably gonna be the best.
00:37:50
We are absent last week that the Browns fans can feel about themselves right now.
00:37:55
Just just be with me on this.
00:37:57
I'm excited about what they've done so far.
00:38:00
But the Browns, the Clevelander and me is just, you know, I can't help it.
00:38:06
It just shines through.
00:38:07
And then again, like I said, you know, being out in L. A.
00:38:11
And seeing the Lakers do what they do.
00:38:13
And the Dodgers like what a game that was yesterday.
00:38:15
That was an amazing game.
00:38:16
And seeing them come back down 3 to 1.
00:38:18
And you know, when the Indians were on the other side of that coin, what she's doing here, she's doing the big city thing on us now in the big city with the big lights.
00:38:28
You know, we got real teams out here that actually spend money and have free agents that come in and want to play for us that she's gonna go to next.
00:38:36
We're just fly.
00:38:37
Oh, we're just fly over country now.
00:38:38
Come get me That's what I have to say.
00:38:41
They're not my teams.
00:38:43
They never will be.
00:38:44
But I have to play along. I have to watch.
00:38:47
I have to study the games because it's talk show fodder.
00:38:51
But right, you know, it's the ground.
00:38:54
They're still often the but of all of the jokes every week when it comes toe making picks and stuff like that, so I do what I can.
00:39:04
Well, excellent.
00:39:05
Is there anything you want to plug while you're on here with us, Lindsay? No, not that I can think of everybody.
00:39:12
Go on, Go on.
00:39:13
Twitter and follower at Lindsey.
00:39:15
Baseball. Right.
00:39:16
This podcast.
00:39:17
Even though if you're hearing this, you obviously already listen to this podcast, right? So absolutely no, I mean, I dio l a local radio out here.
00:39:26
It's the ESPN station and I don't think that any of our Cleveland brethren would be really big fans of just hearing.
00:39:35
Everybody praised the Lakers and LeBron and now the Dodgers.
00:39:38
All day, every day.
00:39:39
A lot of LeBron fans here still Yeah, but you know, they talk much football in L.
00:39:46
A.
00:39:47
No, that's going on at that zoo.
00:39:49
Really strange that coming from Cleveland, where, you know, I always tell people we could be, you know, in a playoff hunt with the Indians.
00:39:57
The calves could be about to win the NBA championship.
00:40:00
And people still want to talk about the Browns backup quarterback, no matter what that's exactly right.
00:40:05
And case Keenum, baby, we have a whole segment devoted to him coming up.
00:40:09
We're already back to that.
00:40:11
Yeah.
00:40:12
I wouldn't be mad if case Keenum you know, I'd give case Keenum a shot, right? Oh, come on.
00:40:18
Here we dio here we dio It's a slippery slope.
00:40:21
Now we're in the back up quarterback talk again.
00:40:23
Yeah, Nothing like a good little Cleveland quarterback dispute.
00:40:28
Oh, but yeah, I I just think that it's it's not.
00:40:32
We have two football teams out here, and honestly, most people I know are still Raiders fans, and the Raiders are in l.
00:40:39
A are in Las Vegas now, so there's not very many Charger fans.
00:40:44
I've yet to come across one of those live in in person.
00:40:47
Um, but and then the Rams fans are few and far between.
00:40:50
Usually they're really rich people who have season tickets for the company or something.
00:40:55
I don't really know any real, genuine, diehard Rams fans.
00:40:59
That's insane.
00:41:00
That's what how unfair life is.
00:41:02
Like Cleveland.
00:41:03
People would live and die with the Browns and rightfully so.
00:41:07
It's passed down in families like our fandom, and then Ela ends up with the glitz and the glamour, and teams that float in float out and they'll win at times.
00:41:17
But but the championships never come home here, and it's It's unfortunate, Lindsay.
00:41:22
I know the Cleveland fan base deserves it more than anybody, I think.
00:41:27
And and it's always the teams like Boston, like people complaining about Boston or or even Tampa Bay.
00:41:33
Like who even lives in Tampa Bay? They don't Nobody even goes to the games.
00:41:36
They're the worst in attendance, and they're going to the world. Siri's.
00:41:40
And now you got Tom Brady down there and nobody cares.
00:41:43
And then? Then they won the Stanley Cup and they had a couple 100 fans show up to celebrate that.
00:41:48
It's just crazy.
00:41:49
Uh huh.
00:41:50
Let you going off on every city going on.
00:41:54
Something's going.
00:41:55
Cleveland.
00:41:56
You know, we're getting we're missing out and I don't know why.
00:41:57
Maybe there's some I don't know, some dead bodies buried somewhere that air cursing and everybody.
00:42:04
I'll tell you what.
00:42:05
Once the curse is lifted and the Browns make the playoffs this year, Lindsay, we're gonna have you back on at that point to bring some or positivity to that playoff run.
00:42:12
Yeah, because I'm so positive.
00:42:15
E feel really bad thing.
00:42:18
The Browns just got trounced yesterday.
00:42:20
We're all up for this. This is fine.
00:42:22
Yeah.
00:42:23
I mean, this is the whole mood right now.
00:42:24
It's like the whole Yeah, that's right.
00:42:27
That's right.
00:42:28
Let it all out.
00:42:29
Well, thank you, Lindsey.
00:42:30
Once again, everybody go give her a follower at Lindsey. Baseball.
00:42:34
Thanks, guys.
00:42:37
All right.
00:42:38
Great stuff from Lindsay.
00:42:41
Sorry.
00:42:42
I didn't realize how negative I was were still on the air.
00:42:45
Okay, you're ask.
00:42:46
You're good.
00:42:47
Thanks for Thanks for joining.
00:42:49
We'll have you out of good. Definitely.
00:42:51
Okay, Take care.
00:42:54
Love it, Lindsay.
00:42:55
Baseball, ladies and gentlemen, probably more positive than a lot of bronze fans right now.
00:43:01
So, you know, let's let's bring up the positivity.
00:43:04
Chris, what do you say? Oh, absolutely.
00:43:06
I am here for the possible.
00:43:07
You know, we debris on the show again.
00:43:09
16 and oh, yeah, she'd still be swearing.
00:43:12
We're going to the Super Bowl right now.
00:43:14
We need that vibe that we dio that we dio good stuff.
00:43:18
Go give her follow at Lindsey Baseball.
00:43:20
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00:43:25
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00:43:34
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00:43:42
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00:43:43
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00:43:48
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00:44:05
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00:44:12
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00:44:14
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00:44:35
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00:44:37
I love that you said sorry for being negative.
00:44:39
John goes, Where's gabbed, Miss Positivity? When you need her, Nick's gonna get positive.
00:44:44
I'll try to bring us up here. Come on, now.
00:44:47
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00:44:48
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That's a big turkey.
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300 bucks.
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00:45:01
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00:45:05
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00:45:06
And he looked great in that big play reflux shirt, too.
00:45:09
Yes, he did.
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00:45:11
All right, so let's all right, we got some positivity going now.
00:45:14
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Go. Turn it all around.
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This is good karma.
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This is all good stuff.
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This is all good stuff.
00:45:26
You pay the money you get on the ride, it goes up, down and around. Positive.
00:45:30
Let's talk some breaking news, not breaking news.
00:45:44
All right, so everybody knows.
00:45:46
Brown's dropped to four and two yesterday.
00:45:48
Got pounded by the Steelers.
00:45:50
That's why we're wearing Big Ben jerseys.
00:45:51
38 to 7.
00:45:54
Baker look bad.
00:45:56
Offensive line looked awful.
00:45:58
They got bullied the entire game.
00:46:00
Defense gave up over 100 yards rushing.
00:46:03
Nick.
00:46:04
Curious to get your thoughts here? Who do you think deserves the blame for this God awful nightmare? That was yesterday, Kevin Love.
00:46:13
Yeah, Kevin Love.
00:46:14
That's the only, And that's the only answer I could think of.
00:46:16
You could throw RG three.
00:46:18
His name into that conversation is Well, I'm always up for a good RG three.
00:46:21
Blame, I think who I'm blaming, though, is ourselves for getting a, for for getting that excited, you know and way did it before ball towards the We played our two losses this season.
00:46:34
The quota more.
00:46:35
That was the first game of the season.
00:46:37
Nick, Come on.
00:46:38
What are you supposed to be? Up way? Come on.
00:46:42
And that's and that's why we hate the NFL when this when we play the schedule game every year because they could never do us a favor for that first game of the year.
00:46:49
So the Browns to losses of the first six come against teams that are elite teams that have solidified organizations with proven head coaches, longtime GM's and a culture.
00:47:02
The Browns are a team that air learning how to become good, and that's how that's not a bad thing.
00:47:07
The Browns are a team that air learning to become high.
00:47:10
How to be good.
00:47:11
They're beating up on the teams that they're supposed to be beating up on their winning a few surprise herbal games along the way.
00:47:16
I mean, Dallas, the Colts look at Twitter.
00:47:18
Before those games, they were the favorite pick in those by, you know, majority, the Browns fans going in.
00:47:24
So they're winning the games that they need to be winning, and they and they lost the two elite teams.
00:47:30
Are we going to do this to the Buffalo Bills today as I have the you know wot whites of this game on TV.
00:47:35
Josh Allen, who's the third guy in the M V P race going right now, played horrible.
00:47:40
They put up 17 points, But guess what? It was against the Chiefs, who are an elite team.
00:47:45
The Bills browns in the same situation.
00:47:47
They're learning how to become good.
00:47:49
This is just a growing pain.
00:47:51
Without Nick Chubb, defense actually was the only bright spot yesterday.
00:47:56
If you could believe that or not, it's gonna be OK.
00:47:58
The sun came up today.
00:48:00
It's a new day.
00:48:01
Everything's gonna be fine.
00:48:03
We have some awesome listeners.
00:48:04
So, Kev on Twitter says, Make it 3.
00:48:06
50 were up to 3.
00:48:08
50 for Thanksgiving.
00:48:10
You guys are awesome. Thanks, Kev.
00:48:12
Thanks.
00:48:13
Everyone on Thanks, John, for starting that off.
00:48:16
Nick, I think that was a very rational take.
00:48:19
Yeah.
00:48:20
I mean, we're four and two guys like we're four and two.
00:48:23
It'd be a different conversation if this was ah, Freddy kitchens team or a huge Jackson team.
00:48:28
And we're sitting here.
00:48:29
Uh oh.
00:48:30
In six with no identity scratching our head after dash on, Kaiser lasted another three interception game and saying, Man, I wonder what the Browns.
00:48:38
We're gonna do, man.
00:48:39
Are there any good free agent quarterbacks? This.
00:48:41
It's freaking Cleveland, man.
00:48:42
No, no. Free agent quarterbacks.
00:48:44
They're gonna wanna come here.
00:48:45
Well, let's look towards the draft.
00:48:46
Let's get those mock draft simulators fired up were four and two guys.
00:48:50
Yeah, but Nick So here's where I fall on this because I think that you have to question how good our offensive line is.
00:48:58
I know why I tell us out.
00:48:59
But yeah, maybe there was one guy all of a sudden our way, played the Pittsburgh defensive line.
00:49:06
They're really, really good.
00:49:08
So we pushed around some bad teams.
00:49:11
Colts were, you know that they were good, but we pushed around some bad teams.
00:49:15
If if our line can't compete against one the elite teams, we don't have a chance.
00:49:22
You look at Aaron Rodgers yesterday got sacked like five times.
00:49:27
No one's calling for his head.
00:49:28
He looked awful.
00:49:30
How many points of this square like 10? Yeah, he and he And he looked bad.
00:49:33
And he's a guy that's up there in that M V P conversation as well.
00:49:37
The thing with the line yesterday, Boy T.
00:49:39
J.
00:49:40
Watson, but to Pre were just anticipating the living hell out of those snap counts.
00:49:44
They had almost a running start on virtually every snap, and you're not gonna win football games that way.
00:49:49
And Stefanski blamed himself after the game not once, but twice that he continually put the Browns and that offense in a tough situation on.
00:49:58
You know, those third downs like that was so predictable.
00:50:01
Any fifth grader that's ever played, Madden knew what was coming up.
00:50:04
So definitely room for improvement after yesterday.
00:50:07
Like you said Dave, the line was bad and it made you.
00:50:11
It made you wonder things about the dude that you drafted.
00:50:14
And I don't want to go there yet because it's literally the guys sixth game and participant to play.
00:50:20
Just drink.
00:50:21
Really? E.
00:50:23
I mean, he played a pretty good year.
00:50:25
Yeah, yeah, he's had a great year.
00:50:26
And he played one of the elite guys in the league and one of the elite defense is in the league like it's OK.
00:50:33
That was his worst game by far.
00:50:35
Okay, so be it.
00:50:38
Yeah, that's true, Chris, What do you think? Like we're usually pretty optimistic on Baker, But if if the lines.
00:50:47
Pushing back like I tweeted out during the game was like he he looked scared like you go through his one read and then he would just look at these Pittsburgh defenders running in at him and got the happy feet in the pocket.
00:50:59
I feel like you got to just roll this guy out.
00:51:02
If you've got, if you've got strong defensive line, that's going to put any pressure on him well and that's been kind of the winning formula for him is first of all not to have him throw the ball whole lot and second of all to roll them out.
00:51:14
Um, you know, a lot of people are making excuses for him being injured.
00:51:17
The problem.
00:51:19
The red flag that I saw in this game and we've talked about Baker on this show and I have several times about him overthrowing people and just physically missing guys.
00:51:28
And a lot of people were saying that he was, you know, some of the interceptions from yesterday and some of the poor throws that he was having that he had, um were due to the fact he was injured, but I question his decision making.
00:51:40
I mean that that first interception went back like where you throwing that ball? I don't care how messed up his ribs are, like, what's going on in your head to make that throw or attempt to make that throw.
00:51:54
So that's That's where I have some serious concerns right now because he's got to know if he is injured, some of his limitations with the throws.
00:52:03
And then, secondly, he should, after studying the Steelers defense, be able to to pick him apart a little bit better than that.
00:52:11
A little bit better than that.
00:52:12
And I know the defense is good for the Steelers, and I know that.
00:52:16
You know, the Steelers overall are good ball club, but I'm expecting more progression out of one Baker Mayfield.
00:52:21
If he's gonna be our franchise quarterback, and there's a big question marks right now is we just talked about with with Lindsay s.
00:52:27
So they're kind of going back to your point.
00:52:30
Um, they I put a chart up here and it's the Cleveland Browns perspectives chart, and and it has all of the different level.
00:52:41
So Nick and Chris, I want I want you to Where do you think we are on this chart, and I'm gonna start at the bottom.
00:52:47
Hugh Jackson era.
00:52:49
No laughing stock of the entire NFL.
00:52:53
No, a new Jets.
00:52:55
A New York football team.
00:52:56
Right in Africa.
00:52:58
Giants picking up that w this weekend.
00:53:01
Right? Way to go, Greg Williams.
00:53:03
Shut out again by right.
00:53:06
All right, We're so we're still climbing Average NFL team.
00:53:09
We're right there.
00:53:11
You think we're average? I think we're average.
00:53:14
I'm taking one stop shop of average NFL team.
00:53:17
Chris, are you willing to go there? I mean, we're right at 15 right? We're right at 15.
00:53:22
If you're ranking all the teams in the league, I don't know that we're top 10.
00:53:26
I think we peek a top 10 baby, but I think realistically playing the whole season out, we're probably a 15 ranked team.
00:53:34
Alright, So, Nick, you're going above average team.
00:53:36
Do you go playoff team? Yes.
00:53:41
And And I go? Yes, because you play both of those New York teams that we just insulted.
00:53:47
You play the Jacksonville Jaguars, you play the Houston Texans, which, by the way, you know, shout out, shout out Romeo Crennel.
00:53:53
He could hey was really wobbling around on that sideline, like what's left of Romeo Cornell is, is coaching the Texans.
00:54:01
You know you have Carson Wentz, who's really slow and looks really bad with the Philly Eagles.
00:54:07
The Browns, you know, using that ****ytics in the ESPN, FBI and everything have the easiest schedule ahead in the entire National Football League.
00:54:16
So I have them above being, uh, you know, above average team.
00:54:20
I have them being a playoff contending team.
00:54:22
Yes. Okay.
00:54:23
So playoff you could be middle of the pack.
00:54:26
Could be a place you want.
00:54:29
If you want to get into the point, we're gonna be the NHL here pretty soon.
00:54:33
Everybody, except for two teams, makes it.
00:54:34
If you wanna play like the whole, like the mighty dot the adjusted schedule game, like 10 and six, you get the Browns could go 10 and six, Realistically, go look through that schedule and still be the third best team in the division.
00:54:49
And I have to play a wild card game like that's just the cards that we're dealt because this division is that good.
00:54:54
But a wild card game is still a playoff game, so I'm giving them that.
00:54:58
Well, it's much better than last If you want.
00:55:00
If you God don't way didn't make the playoffs, I remember that very well.
00:55:05
Yeah, we went out.
00:55:06
And since you didn't make the playoffs, thank God they added that Extras playoff Seriously? Yeah, but I mean, think Think about that.
00:55:12
Like a couple years ago.
00:55:15
A few coaches ago way were awful.
00:55:19
And I know we're, like at a different a different place now because we have an actual star studded team in a real coach.
00:55:25
But, like, where did you think we were gonna be like? There's only one more thing on that chart, which is contender.
00:55:31
We're not a contender yet.
00:55:32
Like, I don't think anyone it could have been.
00:55:34
A I don't think anyone in Cleveland thought we were going to go to the Super Bowl this year.
00:55:39
I mean, there's a few 16 no people out there, but this isn't that bad.
00:55:46
You know, when the schedule came out, I just talked about the schedule game when the when the schedule came out a couple months ago.
00:55:51
You know, after we were all worried about the covert stuff and then once that god of the way and it seemed like the NFL was gonna have a season for sure.
00:56:00
Had I told you guys throughout six weeks, this team is going to be four and two? Would you have taken it because I would have taken it? Absolutely.
00:56:08
Yeah, so? So, there you go.
00:56:10
That's kind of a victory Monday in and of itself.
00:56:14
God, we talked ourselves into victory Monday.
00:56:16
Yeah, but all right, let's bring it down.
00:56:17
Let's step it down a notch.
00:56:18
Because is Baker ever going to get to the point where he can beat those elite teams? Do you trust him enough right now? Where? If the runs not working and we're losing that, he can bring us back for a victory through passing the ball to these elite wide receivers.
00:56:36
The good news is you don't have to worry about it this week.
00:56:39
We don't have to worry about way.
00:56:41
Got the Bangles, run the ball like running game of the time.
00:56:45
Decent defense.
00:56:47
Let's see.
00:56:48
Let's see if we can confuse Burrow A little bit will be fine.
00:56:51
And and here's where I'm at it with that Dave is.
00:56:54
So what's the alternative? So if Baker isn't correct, those, you know, win those big games, and he's only gonna win against the easy teams.
00:57:01
Well of him winning against You know, Brown's Twitter and angry Baker's Twitter that mind you majority wanted Sam Donald wanted Josh Allen, Josh Rosen just a couple of years ago, and those guys love bringing up those takes from the from three years ago.
00:57:16
Well, what's what's the alternative? Is it case Keenum? Because, yeah, Is it Kyle Loleta like, because I saw yesterday Case Keenum is no Joe Montana, and it's it's about time before the down throw is awful.
00:57:29
Lot bright.
00:57:31
It's about time that people in this city stop chasing talent out of, said City.
00:57:37
Sometimes you need to develop a guy, and I almost wish that Baker didn't have that all world rookie season, so these expectations wouldn't be sky high.
00:57:46
I have a little graph here that I'm gonna read off my phone of their of three of three quarterbacks in their 1st 34 NFL games.
00:57:55
Wait Peyton Manning Troy Aikman and helps the third getting one Drew Brees, Baker, Mayfield and Brett Farve, a guy that Baker compares himself to so really two guys, both on the smaller scale spectrum wise so throughout 34 breeze was 25.
00:58:13
Baker is 25 far was 24.
00:58:16
Baker has thrown MAWR attempts than all of those guys.
00:58:18
Obviously, the NFL is moving towards past heavy Baker's at 1135.
00:58:24
Far was at 11.
00:58:25
25 breezes at 10.
00:58:28
58.
00:58:29
Okay, that doesn't really matter.
00:58:30
Attempts per game also doesn't matter, Baker and far both at 33 breeze at 31.
00:58:35
Then we look into the yards total.
00:58:38
82.
00:58:39
We're gonna do this.
00:58:40
Yes, we are going to compare them. Thio.
00:58:42
Yes, I am going to compare them to Brett Farve because everybody needs to relax.
00:58:46
We run this guy out of town For what? We have four wins.
00:58:50
What? Where do we turn with four wins, Chris, are we turning contract? We're gonna finish four and 12 because I don't even think four and 12.
00:58:57
You get Trevor Lawrence, You're not getting Trevor Lawrence.
00:59:00
You're not getting Justin Fields.
00:59:01
Do we hope that we could trade for deck because I surely don't think that's gonna happen.
00:59:06
So here's a question.
00:59:07
Who in Brown's past quarterbacks would you take over Baker Mayfield.
00:59:13
Nobody from 1999.
00:59:15
Chris.
00:59:16
Anyone you would take? Okay.
00:59:17
Tim Couch on the stars of the team.
00:59:18
Probably pretty good outside of Tim Couch.
00:59:21
Anyone else you would take over Baker? Mayfield.
00:59:24
I'd hear an argument for Derek Anderson.
00:59:27
He didn't even go to the playoffs.
00:59:31
10 wins, brother and wins.
00:59:34
But he had Braylon Edwards? No, seriously.
00:59:36
There you would take Derek Sanderson over Baker.
00:59:38
Mayfield? I don't know. It might be close.
00:59:42
You give him some weapons, man.
00:59:43
It's I would take Baker.
00:59:47
Take Baker out of all of those.
00:59:49
I'm taking Tim Couch, though.
00:59:50
My point is I'm taking Tim Couch.
00:59:53
Baker could be a pretty decent quarterback.
00:59:56
He's not going to be the most elite guy in the league.
00:59:58
But I'm not trying to go, you know? Oh, you know, Let's just settle for Baker.
01:00:04
Mayfield.
01:00:05
But to next point, what the heck else are we gonna dio? We gotta develop somebody at some time.
01:00:10
What do we do? We want to go back to the third round and pick some random jokes.
01:00:15
Who's doing that? Dustin Crumb from Cat.
01:00:18
No one's running him out of town right now.
01:00:20
People are if you start case twitters Twitter.
01:00:24
If you If you bench case Keenum and then there's people.
01:00:27
There's plenty of people out there.
01:00:28
I'm sure if we ran a poll, there would be an alarming amount of people that want Case Keenum to play with the Browns.
01:00:34
Well, if you do that, you're You've ran Baker out of town successfully because we said that with bringing Baker in for Tyrod Taylor.
01:00:42
Once you open that bag of chips, you gotta eat the whole freaking bag and we're eating it with Baker now.
01:00:48
And if you open the bag of chips that says Case Keenum on it, guess what? The other bag of chips, which is Baker Mayfield, is in the garbage because he's done here.
01:00:56
You can't You can't do that.
01:00:59
You can't.
01:01:00
I'm so sick and tired of these case Keenum people, because once you take Baker out, you can't go back to him.
01:01:06
That's the Mike Pettine philosophy this week.
01:01:09
It's Johnny this weekend toy er, where you just pick quarterbacks off the seat of your pants, Kevin says.
01:01:15
Hopefully he could become Tannehill.
01:01:17
John, says Trent Dilfer.
01:01:20
I take Trent Dilfer with this right? So that was the other name.
01:01:23
It was at the tip of my tongue.
01:01:24
Todo your Twitter account for commenting that All right, you know what we gotta do? What's that? Let's break up the headlines.
01:01:33
Let's play the baseball card game, break it up and then we're gonna talk Bangles and then we're going to get out of here.
01:01:38
That's fine.
01:01:39
Let's do it.
01:01:40
So, Dave, I've got Fleer 91.
01:01:42
I've got score Siri's to which is also 91.
01:01:45
Which would you rather have? Fleer or score? I feel like my luck's been really good with Fleer.
01:01:52
I'm gonna switch it up just in case because I don't think I could win somebody in a room going score.
01:01:56
You're gonna go score.
01:01:57
By the way, I gotta throw this out there because I did before we got on the show.
01:02:02
Other John in the comments on Facebook.
01:02:05
Hey said, I've got some boxing winnings.
01:02:08
Yes, I want some squares on boxing this Saturday night, but he came up to me around the fire watching boxing outside, and it's like, Hey, I'm doing pretty well with those baseball cards.
01:02:21
So I was like, I didn't know anyone.
01:02:22
Watch that. Thank you.
01:02:24
Alright, Dave, I'm nervous.
01:02:26
You're going away from what works here.
01:02:28
I hope you know that's what I'm going to case Keenum. Let's go.
01:02:31
Yeah.
01:02:32
Okay. Hopefully.
01:02:33
So for those of you don't know how we play this game, we open up two packs.
01:02:37
One for me, one for Dave.
01:02:39
We pick each two dudes, two of the players out of this pack that we think are the best.
01:02:44
And then we're gonna use my in turn over here.
01:02:46
Noah is going to be the decider on who's got the better to cards.
01:02:50
All inspired by Mike Levinger and Mike Love Interest game play during covitz.
01:02:56
Alright, Dave, Here's what you got.
01:02:57
So this is me.
01:02:58
This is the score pack, right? Yes.
01:03:00
This is, you know Greg Olsen from the Orioles tight Ruben Sierra.
01:03:05
Oh, that's a great card.
01:03:07
Yeah, right fielder for the rangers.
01:03:08
Brad, Brad, Arms.
01:03:10
Berg from the Padres? No, Danny Tartabull.
01:03:14
That's right.
01:03:15
That's a good card to know.
01:03:16
Boy staying with the Royals.
01:03:18
Mike McFarlane, catcher.
01:03:19
He was around for a while.
01:03:21
Rob Ducey from the Blue Jays. No idea.
01:03:24
Doug Jennings from the Athletics.
01:03:27
Walt Terrel from the Tigers.
01:03:29
Sounds made up.
01:03:30
Scott Lewis rookie card from the Angels.
01:03:33
Another rookie card.
01:03:35
Ray Young from the Athletics.
01:03:36
That's not worth.
01:03:37
Oh, Eric Davis from the Reds.
01:03:40
Oh! Oh! A first round draft pick.
01:03:44
Rookie card.
01:03:46
Chipper Jones should stop Atlanta Burn Chipper Jones, But he's phenomenal.
01:03:52
This is a shortstop there.
01:03:54
I got a tough Jones.
01:03:55
This is a good package.
01:03:56
This is a great pass.
01:03:57
Oh, wow.
01:03:59
John R.
01:04:00
Two D two ola Rude.
01:04:02
Oh, no.
01:04:03
John Old Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:06
What the heck is going on? Ben McDonald, Pitcher.
01:04:10
I won.
01:04:11
It's over. Don't even open your car. Third base.
01:04:13
So, Darryl Strawberry, I got You're gonna get Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:18
Uh, basically e love John Ole Rude.
01:04:21
Yeah, he's definitely wearing a batting helmet.
01:04:24
Chipper Jones rookie card.
01:04:26
All right, I'm gonna go, man.
01:04:28
I had some good ones early to. I'm gonna go.
01:04:30
Yeah, I'm gonna go Darryl Strawberry.
01:04:32
And I'm going to G o.
01:04:34
Um Whose? Whose? Last one.
01:04:36
You just said. Not chippers.
01:04:38
Yeah, I gotta go. Chipper.
01:04:39
Gotta go.
01:04:40
Chipper Chipper Jones, rookie card and Darryl Strawberry with the Nine Mets.
01:04:44
Okay, here's mine.
01:04:45
McNeil is going to get.
01:04:47
Cannot wait for this pack.
01:04:49
A pack of stickers, a piece of gum from the nineties and logo card and three checklists.
01:04:56
So we start off with a card stuck together a Twins logo sticker.
01:05:03
There's a call we're starting off.
01:05:05
Well, Lloyd most be from the Tigers.
01:05:08
Wow, Tom her from the Mets.
01:05:11
Dave Steve from the Blue Jays.
01:05:14
I'm not making these up. They sound like accountants.
01:05:17
Darren Fletcher from the Phillies.
01:05:19
These are the guys that Michael Jordan played against in the Finals.
01:05:22
Duane Ward.
01:05:24
The way an award from the Blue Jays.
01:05:25
Dan Pascua least hurt.
01:05:27
Am Terry Steinbach? Yep.
01:05:33
Jim Deshays.
01:05:35
Oh my God! Melido Perez.
01:05:39
Greg Olsen tightened.
01:05:41
Hey, Indians outfielder Bo Al Rid already thinks is great.
01:05:49
Hey, here we go.
01:05:50
Cubs pitcher Greg Maddux there.
01:05:53
There's a days.
01:05:54
Come on, I need one more.
01:05:56
Do you have I got two left? Oh, man, I got Billy Ripken.
01:06:01
Cal.
01:06:02
I got the wrong Ripken locale.
01:06:05
Todd Todd Base.
01:06:07
Benzinger.
01:06:08
Oh, this is rough.
01:06:09
Greg Maddux from the So who are you going to pair with Greg Maddux? Greg Maddux is.
01:06:15
It matters what Billy Ripken, Al's brother.
01:06:20
Let's see.
01:06:21
I don't think I have anybody older, younger brother.
01:06:23
He's younger.
01:06:24
He's remember he's the one with the famous baseball card.
01:06:26
What was? What's his average on? That's all right where it says F face at the face of that.
01:06:31
That's a tremendous story.
01:06:34
It is so okay.
01:06:36
No, uh, my team is Greg Maddux from the Cubs at the time, and Billy Ripken versus Darrell Strawberry and a guy by the name of Chipper Jones, who was a first round draft pick evidently.
01:06:49
Okay, so you're really downplaying.
01:06:51
You're really playing up home field advantage here. E.
01:06:54
Which one are you going with? Yes, going with Darryl Strawberry and Chipper Jones.
01:07:02
Folks, that's an upset for you.
01:07:04
I really thought I had it with E 02 solid cargo ship Jones Rookie card draft, Actually, Yeah, that's a good card.
01:07:14
Greg Maddux with the Cubs, those air keepers and the Minnesota Twins sticker.
01:07:19
Here you go.
01:07:20
No, Uh, that's what you get for being our judge today.
01:07:23
Minnesota Twins sticker.
01:07:25
Lucky guy.
01:07:26
What? That was well learned.
01:07:27
That was a Well, yes, it waas All right, back on track.
01:07:31
What were you talking about? In headlines? No idea.
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Who, All right, so Cincinnati Bangles safe to say we didn't cover the spread last week. Yesterday.
01:09:40
First, the Steelers moving on.
01:09:42
We are 3.
01:09:43
5 point favorite.
01:09:45
We were 3.
01:09:46
5 point underdog against the Steelers, 3.
01:09:48
5 point favorite against the 14 and one sounds like a Brown's record of past Cincinnati Bengals.
01:09:57
Nick, you're betting on Baker and the Browns to cover this? Yeah, I'm done on Baker in the Browns to cover this, because if you remember to our show before the first Bengals game, they didn't do that.
01:10:08
Joe Burrow rallied behind and made it way too close at five.
01:10:12
And the Brown and the question then was, can the Browns defense sing with anybody, let alone the big boys.
01:10:19
So I think we've come a long way in six weeks.
01:10:22
And I do think the Browns take care of that spread on Sunday.
01:10:26
Chris, I'll tell you what.
01:10:28
Just coming out firing today is Hey, really is man.
01:10:33
He's like, super fan over here.
01:10:36
I'm loving it.
01:10:37
Come on.
01:10:38
I mean, I mean, they're not super fan, but 3.5 points.
01:10:41
Like if the Browns win by a touchdown, you're winning money.
01:10:44
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.
01:10:46
I think the Browns can cover.
01:10:47
I think they're gonna come out a little ****ed off after what happened to him yesterday.
01:10:51
And I think they're gonna cover that 3.5.
01:10:53
I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it's a little bit closer than what it should be once again, just because I know that Cincinnati is gonna have some fight in him, you know, Borough really wants to show that he's the best quarterback in Ohio already, I think, and eso that's going to drive a little bit.
01:11:08
But it also caused him to make some murky missed aches.
01:11:11
So that's the reason I think the brown we're gonna cover this week.
01:11:14
Alright, So over under this week.
01:11:16
Brown's defense did their best to hit it yesterday against Steelers, but this week, 51 a half is the line.
01:11:25
Last time it was 65.
01:11:27
Chris, you're going over.
01:11:29
You know I'm going under.
01:11:31
I think I'm going under.
01:11:32
Really? Yeah, I hate to bet the under.
01:11:34
You know, real men go over, but it just seems like, you know, we could get into some sort of a slugfest, just an unexpected slugfest that happens every once in a while in this division.
01:11:45
You've seen the Browns kind of putting up a lot of points generally this season, Um, and I could see just something unexpected happening where we just slow down the pace of the game.
01:11:56
Cincinnati follows our lead, and then it's a lower scoring ballgame.
01:12:00
Start to run the ball.
01:12:02
Alright, so let's let's look at Baker and Joe Burrow because last time these teams met Joe Burrow through the ball 61 times, his baker even thrown at 61 times.
01:12:15
This year, it's close.
01:12:18
No, no, no has Baker has Baker Noah.
01:12:20
What's the highest number of attempts this season? It's not 61.
01:12:25
No, it's gotta be week one you would think when they got behind really real quick and Baltimore.
01:12:32
Yeah.
01:12:33
So do you think those two combined borough and Baker the over under for passes? Um, 65 attempts, not completions attempts.
01:12:46
65.
01:12:47
I'm gonna go under again, Dave, For the same reasons that I just said.
01:12:50
You think we're gonna run the ball, we're gonna run the ball.
01:12:53
And I think Cincinnati is gonna kind of match that.
01:12:55
I really think with mixing, they're probably gonna be gonna be rolling a little bit more with the run.
01:13:00
Nick, what do you think? Is this gonna be a game where Baker tries to come out and prove himself or you think he's kind of still hurt and he's gonna run? I mean, I think they're gonna run.
01:13:08
But 65 combined between two quarterbacks is a relatively low number facing the fact that, you know, like you said, Dave burrow through it over 60 times himself the first one.
01:13:18
So I'm going over there as well, Like Chris said, people kinda right out Joe Mix.
01:13:23
And I think he's a really good player, and they like throwing to him as well.
01:13:26
Even those stupid one yard passes that break for six that still counts is a throw, which is very frustrating because the Browns tend to give those up Thio tackles on those Bakers.
01:13:38
Most attempts in a game this season actually happened yesterday.
01:13:42
Wow, 39.
01:13:44
That's not smart, either.
01:13:45
I have to say that is not smart.
01:13:48
A guy with bruise ribs on his throwing side, throwing for the most times that he has.
01:13:52
Yet this season, I know Kareem really didn't get a game.
01:13:56
Yeah, Case took some of his touches to Boy, not a great game plan.
01:14:02
No, not at all.
01:14:04
Alright, so let's there.
01:14:05
There is a positive Myles Garrett.
01:14:08
He's recorded a second five straight games.
01:14:11
Can't remember the last Cleveland Brown to do that.
01:14:14
That would be a great stat for Notre.
01:14:15
Michael Dean Perry.
01:14:16
Did he really I doubt it.
01:14:18
Who's the? You said there was such confidence, though.
01:14:22
I believed you, of course, because he was my favorite player.
01:14:25
Yeah, Chris could have.
01:14:27
Chris could have said ish Molly kitchens with that amount of confidence, and I was like, Okay, kitchens did do that 1011 e Myles Garrett over under sacks against Joe Burle and the Bangles.
01:14:43
1.5, Nick.
01:14:45
Actually, Chris, I'm gonna go to you because I want you to redeem yourself and take the over.
01:14:50
Let's take the over.
01:14:51
Why not? Come on.
01:14:52
Two sacks for Mr Myles Garrett.
01:14:55
They hear it over there, too? Yeah, You heard it over, man.
01:14:59
Their offensive line.
01:15:00
Somehow it got worse, and they refused to make any changes to it over there in Cincinnati.
01:15:05
And the fans there are frustrated.
01:15:07
I think maybe this could be the game where forced They're forced to make a change on the offensive line because Burrows getting eaten alive and with Garrett. Vernon.
01:15:17
Dave.
01:15:18
I know you asked me on my show if I thought Vernon would do anything.
01:15:20
Hey, batted the ball down yesterday.
01:15:22
So look at that.
01:15:23
I think those guys will wreak some havoc on borough.
01:15:26
Okay, there we go.
01:15:27
More positivity.
01:15:29
Alright, Chris, trick play.
01:15:30
We run in 1.5.
01:15:32
Trick play over under.
01:15:34
Really? Okay.
01:15:36
It's going to involve Jamie Guillain.
01:15:39
You know what? We were at the I think we were at, like, the 50 ish during that game, and Guillen had it.
01:15:46
I was like, There's no way he does it again.
01:15:49
They're not gonna block for him.
01:15:50
Don't do it.
01:15:51
Then he was yesterday to Was he started? Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, yes.
01:15:57
Scottish hammer banged up hamstring.
01:15:59
You can't hurt the Scottish hammer.
01:16:01
No, no, you know that.
01:16:02
That was just deception on the part of Kevin's too fancy in the Browns training staff.
01:16:06
To put that on the injury report.
01:16:08
He's like Jim Brown used to be.
01:16:10
He get up slowly and then he'd come out on the next plane, go 100%.
01:16:14
That's the way Jamie Guillen is. Come on.
01:16:16
That's right.
01:16:17
So how you guys feeling about this game, Chris? Overall thoughts? Well, one day removed, talked a good game about how we're gonna beat the hell out of this Bangles because they suck their 14 and one.
01:16:29
What does surprise you? What does surprise you? If we went down there and laid another egg? I do not want to go on the Internet If we lose this game.
01:16:37
No, let's not make any bets because I don't wanna have to wear Bangles.
01:16:40
Jersey on top of this, I kind of e.
01:16:44
I was thinking about that.
01:16:45
I was like All right, I'm gonna go better Bangles, personality, influence or whatever on Twitter.
01:16:51
Just so I could wear a Joe Burrow jersey over this big Ben jersey for the rest of the year.
01:16:55
Someone have a big bed, and then I'm gonna have a borough.
01:16:57
Ls you may be a borough.
01:16:59
Ohio State will go burro. E o.
01:17:02
We gotta get Nick wearing jerseys.
01:17:04
Nick Europe on betting this week.
01:17:07
Okay.
01:17:08
Actually, I'm gonna sit that out.
01:17:10
Maybe.
01:17:11
Maybe.
01:17:12
Maybe I'll try that out against, like, the Jaguars.
01:17:14
I wouldn't mind wearing a Gardner Minshew jersey.
01:17:17
Uh, just are picking the teams.
01:17:20
I'll try it.
01:17:21
I'll try it out versus Philly because I can't wear, You know, we got green behind me.
01:17:26
I can't really wear the green on this, so I'll try it out with one of those there.
01:17:31
We dio All right, let's do some bold predictions and get the heck out of here.
01:17:38
We're running late.
01:17:39
Let's do it.
01:17:44
Oh, brother Trip.
01:17:53
All right, Nick, you have a bold prediction for us this week.
01:17:57
I do have a bold prediction, David.
01:17:59
I agree with Chris.
01:18:00
I think the game is gonna be a little bit closer.
01:18:02
I like you said, I'm not super optimistic.
01:18:05
Way talked a big game on the show.
01:18:07
We got all excited.
01:18:09
I told you guys not to panic about Baker Mayfield.
01:18:12
But I do think it's gonna be close.
01:18:13
And I do think at some point Baker is gonna have toe win a game with his arm.
01:18:17
We saw Kareem Hunt not be able to get much traction on the ground.
01:18:21
I'm predicting The Cleveland Plain Dealer headline on Monday morning.
01:18:26
Browns and Baker bounce back.
01:18:29
Browns beat Bangles Baker three.
01:18:31
Tut ease over 300 in the air and the Browns air right back five and two were celebrating a victory Monday.
01:18:37
Next week. Boys. Nice.
01:18:39
There you go, P.
01:18:40
D.
01:18:41
He's doing your work for you.
01:18:42
That's right.
01:18:43
There you go again.
01:18:44
Come get me, Christie.
01:18:46
You have a bold prediction for us.
01:18:48
I am Noah.
01:18:49
Think of a bold prediction.
01:18:51
I'm gonna have you give a bold prediction after mine.
01:18:53
So we didn't talk about it all on the show, But the Ohio State University's begins play this Saturday.
01:19:01
They're playing Nebraska, and my bold prediction is Ohio State is going to do the bidding of the Big 10 and blow out Nebraska just totally blow the doors off because Nebraska president went out there and spoil the surprise announcement.
01:19:15
The foot ball was coming back.
01:19:17
The Big 10 wanted to get back at him.
01:19:19
That's why they gave them Nebraska, Nebraska, Ohio State on the schedule, Week one.
01:19:24
So Ohio State's gonna do their bidding and just destroy those corn Huskers on Saturday.
01:19:29
Chris, give me a score for that.
01:19:31
It's gonna be 50 to 21.
01:19:34
, hell, yeah.
01:19:37
How about that? And those They're all gonna be garbage time.
01:19:40
21 points from Nebraska.
01:19:42
And then everyone on Brown's Twitter would be calling for Justin Fields.
01:19:47
Way even had a common in here today.
01:19:50
It was like, Well, I wonder if you could still trade Odell and move up for Justin Fields like, Nope, not going there.
01:19:56
We're not going there. My bold prediction.
01:19:58
I am going to say Baker, Mayfield outplays Joe Burrow.
01:20:04
That's not.
01:20:05
Yes, it is.
01:20:06
That's bold.
01:20:07
Third year quarterback out bold.
01:20:10
That's bold, man.
01:20:12
That's really bold, Dave, you're really feeling your oats today? No.
01:20:15
You got a better one than David.
01:20:17
Come on.
01:20:18
No, I bring us on here Sunday Sunday.
01:20:26
All 30.
01:20:28
We're gonna 31 points in the first half for your Cleveland Browns. You heard it here.
01:20:33
First Intern? No.
01:20:34
A 31 point is that mostly gonna come through the air via the ground, going to come from the ground and pound for 31 points in the first half in Cincinnati.
01:20:46
Book it.
01:20:47
There you go.
01:20:48
That's bold, Dave.
01:20:49
That is trying to teach you how to make a bold prediction.
01:20:51
Not a third year quarterback.
01:20:52
You know what? After this week, I thought that was pretty bold.
01:20:54
John says Ward, pick six for the win.
01:20:57
He's a 63 17 Buckeyes.
01:21:00
I love it.
01:21:01
All right.
01:21:02
Thanks to everyone in the comments, that was super cool.
01:21:05
Raising some money for some people in need live on the air.
01:21:09
That was sweet thanks to everyone for chipping in with that huge shoutout to shock news for the continued sponsorship, uh, shadow to my bookie as well.
01:21:19
Get those bets in.
01:21:20
Get those parlays in.
01:21:22
Just do the opposite of me.
01:21:23
You'll win money.
01:21:24
And thanks to Lindsay baseball, we got some positivity in thanks.
01:21:30
Tune in.
01:21:31
Well, thanks.
01:21:32
Thanks to David and a joke who for answering my D.
01:21:34
And when I asked him if he'd be on the show to a trust the rumors today and Dave, what did he respond with? No, within a minute.
01:21:42
No, it was like five seconds.
01:21:46
Thanks, David. Joke, Thanks to David joke.
01:21:48
That's right.
01:21:49
Alright, guys, We will see you next Monday night, nine pm Have a good week.
01:21:54
Go browns.
01:21:56
See you later.
01:21:57
Okay? Do you need medical attention? Yeah.
01:22:00
What? What is wrong? I don't know. I know.
01:22:04
**** **** back.
01:22:05
My job.
01:22:19
Yeah, Yeah.
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