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Bob Vance will join the show at around 8 20 possibly a few minutes earlier, but the Browns are five and three and first before we get to Bob Vance, we got we gotta talk.
That's who we are.
This is a Cleveland Browns town, and it was ugly on Sunday, and it doesn't feel like this team is five and three.
I know Baker Mayfield has said that at nauseum.
And it was the ugly Lost the Vegas Raiders who came into town three and three.
This game is concerned.
I just feel like the Browns were out toughed.
And I know we could sit here today on Wednesday, you know, four days after the game and we could say, Oh, well, it was bad whether the Browns air banged up Well, listen, this is Cleveland, Ohio, for one.
This is the A F C North Division.
There's gonna be bad weather.
The Browns lost that game up front, and I know you guys wanted to, you know, don't want to hear about the bad.
So let's not harp on the bad and let's look at the good and the last two games that the Browns have played Baker Mayfield has been the team's best player.
And if you disagree with me, as always, tweet, the show at Pedo might take Tweet me at Nick Padoan 12 on this Wednesday evening, I thought Baker has played really well over the last two games, and he was plagued by drops in the loss to their Vegas Raiders and some uncharacteristic drops it that Jarvis Landry, you know, with some troubles, just things that you don't expect obviously there without Odell Beckham Jr.
But to me on Sunday, as I watched my favorite football team get out toughed, outmanned, and it seemed like a West Coast team came to Cleveland and played a Cleveland brand of hard nose A F C North football.
A dome team came from the West Coast and did that to the Browns, and their injuries aren't an excuse.
But this is a team that looks like they needed the bye week.
And I loved when the schedule came out and we played the schedule game that the mid season by I I thought that was gonna play very well to the Brown strength and being a run heavy team.
Obviously, nobody project projected Nick Chubb to go down with that M c l spring, right? That was kind of a freak thing, but we knew that game football is a game of injuries, right? We knew that there were gonna be guys that got banged up here and there.
But this to me when I when I look at it from top talent, Yes, that wins that that win would have been nice and that lost sucked.
But in the grand scheme of things, I don't know that that I lost to the Las Vegas Raiders means all that much for this team To me.
When I look at the schedule game, you still gotta beat Pittsburgh, who's undefeated, and we'll talk about them at the end of the show.
When we whip around the NFL, you gotta beat Baltimore, and all you have to do now is beat the teams that were in front of you.
All right, you won five throughout the first eight.
That's a really, really, really good thing.
Five out of the first eight.
Had I given fans that when the schedule drops saying, Hey, the Browns are gonna win five of their first eight and from whatever happens, there happens in a year with coronavirus that they've thankfully avoided, and a year with that expanded playoff spot, you're gonna win five of eight.
Okay, give me that that those odds are in our favor.
But the other good thing is you could Onley play who's in front of you and the Browns have a favorable schedule ahead, and we talked about that ad nauseum.
But you come back from the by with a healthy Nick.
Chubb should be a healthy Wyatt.
Teller will preview this game a little bit next week against the Houston Texans and what's left of Romeo Crennel, and I know that it's perfectly fair to be worried about this.
Brown's defense and I want to talk about trade deadline and everything like that after we get through Bob Vance here at 8 15.
But I feel like you play the Houston Texans.
You play the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Philadelphia Eagles, You know, you still have both New York teams on this schedule.
Obviously, the two divisional games we're going to be big.
Including, in my opinion, I think that Pittsburgh game in the last week of the year is going to be big.
It's gonna be cold, and I think it could have seeding implications.
But as I look at this team now at the by, despite fans being upset, I I just can't I can't be to down and out about this team and we do have a comment here.
It says every single receiver needs to get on the jugs machine for every single bye week, and I agree with that every single practice of this bye week.
The team needs to get in there and be better.
Obviously, they had the coronavirus scare ah, couple days ago before the trading deadline.
But I think life as a Cleveland Browns fan as we know it right now is okay.
And and let's talk some trade deadline briefly before we before we bring in Bob Vance at 8 15 East Coast time.
Here, listen, I hear the frustration from Cleveland fans.
I really dio You wanted Andrew Barry to make a move.
That's the thing I wanted to see Andrew Barry go into the deadline at four PM and make another Ronnie Harrison type deal where you give up a mid round pick and get a younger guy that was in a bad, botched situation and and get a little bit in return.
I think that could have been a type move to really benefit the Browns, and they weren't able to pull that off.
What I'm not going to do is write off this team or get way too upset like I saw some people do on Twitter Before my Twitter just went all election this week.
There was a lot of upset people, and I guess I just want to understand why.
And we talked about this last week.
I'll bring it up again quickly before Bob Vance comes on and joins us here.
Listen, when the schedule came out when Kevin Stefanski was hired, if we wanna even back this thing up predraft.
We looked at the roster and we said, We're not doing this again this year That's what I said going into this season, we're not doing this again this year.
Last year, we read our own press clippings.
We were very excited as a fan base, and that's what fans were supposed to dio.
Freddie Kitchens let us down miserably.
The expectations We didn't even come close toe living up Thio.
It was one of the most disappointing things.
As a sports fan that I've ever endured in my in my short career as a fan and my my short life as a fan, shorter career, working in the media, it was a disappointment.
So this year we weren't going to do that and this year was supposed to be just a small step in the right direction.
Let's see what Kevin's too fancy could do.
Let's see if this Cleveland Browns team can become, you know, 500.
Let's see if they could have a winning season.
Let's see if they could crack the wild card.
When the C B A was finalized and we found out that there was going to be an extra playoff spot this season.
It's so easy to be upset because I so badly I hear you Browns fans.
I wanted J. J. Watt.
That would have been fun.
I wanted Myles Jack. That would have been fun.
And this defense needs guys like that.
This defense is not in a pretty spot as we stand, you know, today here on November 4th, I hear you and here's what I advise you to dio go on to Brown's dot com and look at that Cleveland Browns defensive depth chart.
It's just not a very talented bunch, and I know Browns fans don't want to hear that.
But there are so many holes in that defensive unit that one trade to trade three trades at the deadline, which is always unlikely in the NFL, much more likely in the n B A.
That's not going to reshape the entire integrity and the entire corps of the Browns defense.
What the Browns defense is right now, and you could feel free to disagree with me on this.
As always, you could drop in the comments.
What the Browns defense is right now is two guys 95 21 hell, I'll even throw 33 in there.
Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward and Ronnie Harrison.
Outside of those three core players, I'm not sure what the Browns have.
I am sure what the Browns have, and it's a bunch of quality depth pieces, which that's not a bad thing.
Goodson, I think Mac Wilson, those guys would be phenomenal linebackers in a situation where your starters were injured in a situation where you might have had somebody fail a drug test or gets the flu Are, you know, in this weird season and who knows what next season will look like? Tests positive for Cove in 19.
But those linebackers Anderson Dejo Carl Joseph, Larry Ogunjobi.
I'm willing to throw his name into that conversation at this point I'm not sure that those type of guys I know for a fact that those type of guys aren't starters on a team that's going to play in the A F C championship game on.
That's not a bad thing, because back this conversation up to just about two minutes ago, the Browns this season we're just supposed to be scratching the surface We went last.
We went from worst to first is what we're trying to do last season, and I so badly wish in a weird type of tormented way that Baker Mayfield historic rookie season didn't happen, that the Odell trade didn't happen, that Nick Chubb didn't burst onto the scene like gangbusters and be an all pro caliber running back.
You know why? Because those things set us up for so much disappointment as fans.
But we're taking steps in the right direction now.
Slowly, you know, everybody wanted it to be the Kansas City Chiefs overnight.
Well, John Dorsey built that team.
He had Kareem Hunt, who he brought here.
He drafted Patrick Mahomes and now drafted Baker Mayfield, who should be what would be doing what Mahomes is doing.
I understand that, and we're gonna get to Bob Vance here in about 30 seconds.
I know that's what everybody's hanging on. Foretell.
See Mr Vance from Vance Refrigeration.
But just hear me out for one second.
Rome wasn't built in one day.
And to put that in NFL terms, the Kansas City Chiefs weren't built in one day.
The Seattle Seahawks, the New England Patriots, these flash in the pan type teams never work, and we witnessed that last year in the N B A and the MLB, where there's no salary cap and you know the teams like the Yankees, the Dodgers could just buy players in the N B A.
Where you know blockbuster trades happen in the middle of the night, where free agency is such a big deal and you have certain players on certain teams trying to form super teams and destination cities in the NFL.
Life doesn't work like that.
It's a process things need to be built up slowly.
And after the deadline, I was disappointed, and I tweeted.
Let's not call for Andrew Barry's job.
Let's relax because the arrow on this Brown's team still trends upward.
And if you don't think that arrow does drop that below Because I want to hear from you.
Do you think the Browns at on November 4th Do you think the browns air still trending upwards? Because I dio So without further ado, I know this is the act that everyone is waiting for.
Heck, this is what I'm waiting for.
I'm a huge fan off the office.
I've loved the show and Bob Vance was grateful enough to come on and join us tonight.
So without further ado, joining us now from Los Angeles, California is Robert Schaeffer.
You might know him best from his role on NBC's The Office where he played Bob Vance.
Ladies and gentlemen, here's Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration.
So joining me now on the show Super Fun guest For us today we're joined by Bob Schaffer, also known as Bob Vance of Vance Refrigeration.
My first question for you, Bob.
What line of work in my friend I'm in to keep in a cool business, baby.
Love to hear it.
I like to think I'm going to keep in a cool business.
A swell to just we do it a little bit different ways.
You know, the office is a huge show now, and it feels like it has been for a really long time.
At the time that you guys were recording it, did you know that it would ever get quite this big? Uh, course not.
It's never happened before in the history of television.
What's happened with this show? I mean, it's a phenomenon.
Like said, it's bigger now when it's off than when it was on.
I mean, when does that ever happen? Thank you, Netflix.
Um, you know the audience that the audience changed when we were on the air on NBC.
Our typical demographic was 30 to 40 year olds with household incomes of $100,000 plus, which is why NBC loved it because they bought all the goodies from NBC store dot com where you can go get your Vance refrigeration here, please get some the hoody.
And also I love the travel mug.
I should have brought it with me.
Uh, now the demographic is 11 12 13 year olds.
I went to Scranton a couple years ago to throw out a pitch at the Rail Riders game.
That's the New York Yankees Triple A farm of and Somehow they talked me into a dunk tank, which I'll never do again because these kids were bring er's, I could water.
It was, you know, I mean, it was cold and maybe too.
And so I was signing autographs for six innings, you know, sitting at the table and the whole line was kids.
There were 11, 12, 13 years old, and they would walk up in hammy these DVDs and, you know, pictures.
Why not? And say, You know, I'm binge watching it for the 15th time, but I'm like, uh hey, don't charge there.
The devotion to the Siri's is obviously, uh, I mean, I probably the Star Trek enthusiast, you know, they laid claim to this territory first.
Eso It's not, you know, Western.
It is in modern telling three.
You know, let's take back to the infancy of the show.
A lot of people don't know that Phyllis was a casting director for the show.
That's kind of that was her role behind the scenes.
What was the callback process like for the office and take me through that day where you got the role? It's a funny story when I read for the part.
Um, you know, I've seen a couple of the first episodes.
It was written up in the l a Times calendar section, which, you know, during the business.
You have read that every day and eso I read about it, I thought, Well, let me watch this.
I was like, What? What is this? You know, the do***entary style through it through everybody at first, right? Right.
All the came on the set were thrown by it until they made the adjustments.
Uh, even the pros Pros.
So I go to meet I'm just happy to have a meeting.
It's with Allison Jones.
Who's the premiere comedy casting director.
I go there and it's normally about 15 minute drive for me to get to her off.
Well, there's traffic everywhere.
Taking a half an hour.
I'm late. I'm the last guy of the day.
I didn't realize that it was Halloween.
Halloween in Hollywood.
It's, you know, it makes Mardi Gras looked like, you know, a church festival e mean everybody costumes because I probably I figured it out.
I'm like, Oh, hell, it's Halloween.
So I go running.
I'm the last guy there waiting for me.
You know who likes that? I mean, I'm a punctual person, so that adds stress.
Anyway, I nail the nail it, and I could tell that she liked it, so But I didn't hear anything for two weeks.
And then I get to call back.
They call back to place.
The Chandlers are studios over in Van Nuys, and the director of the episode was really the guy making the call.
They're all the pills was there, and there was some serious competition.
I mean, this was a, you know, a coveted part, even though the show was on unsteady footing at a time.
And then they had me do all this improv.
Uh, and I didn't really know who the character was.
I mean, I was winging it and a Z.
You always are in these things, right? Yeah.
Uh, Bob, you see, Michael, there's Michael looking at your car.
Michael, what are you doing? You know, what do you do with that? So Phyllis was in the room, and there was a lot of people in the shadows, you know? I mean, there always are.
And I think she made the call.
I mean, it was her call, and, uh, the next morning, I went from the call back to being first up on the on the got sheet the next morning.
You know, a lot of people.
One of the Quran gist episodes, at least for me.
You got Scott's tots, and then you have Philip's Wedding.
You talk about some of the improv with Michael.
Bob Vans was not a big fan of Michael Scott.
What was it like working with Steve Carell? Because he's obviously hilarious.
He who is one of the guys that really made the show.
You know what it is today? What was that like for you? Uh, listen, I'm a huge fan.
E mean, people always ask me about that.
How did you not laugh? Well, because Bob doesn't find Michael Scott the least bit funny, right? E? So, you know, he would make me snicker every now and then.
I mean, speaking of pills, his wedding, one of the deleted scenes that ended up on the out take really was him.
Uh, there's a **** ship.
We do a **** ship, and he's hey, says the word pungent.
Well, every time he says the word pungent, he loses it.
He just breaks up.
The kids say the word.
This goes on for about a half an hour.
Every time he says, you lose.
So now everybody's laughing and I get here all the producers and director.
You know, everybody was down for monitors on it was two story deal.
We were at that, but I could hear him down.
Monitors laughing, you know, I was standing outside the door and I'm like, do not do not laugh, because again, you know, uh, there were a few times you got me, but not really never broke me, you know? I mean, that's the the the first intros when Bob Bans comes into Bob Vance Vance Refrigeration.
The famous lines.
Yeah, the Ryan broke on that first take.
I mean, he didn't make it.
So it's famous because he fell apart.
But I just hit him with such big energy, you know, they weren't expecting it because there were the three kings of droll standing there waiting for me.
Stanley, Kevin and Ryan.
I mean, come on, what are you going to do? So my thought.
Waas I'm coming in.
I'm gonna hit these guys really hard with big energy.
They're not gonna know what hit him because Bob is a super salesman.
What? Bob Vance's e.
It's not that complicated.
All these people, all these fans have all these silly theories and their Scranton Strangler and the mob.
You know, the writers had the writers had some They wrote some off screen jokes about Bob that, you know, didn't really In my mind, I was never playing any of that stuff.
Yeah, you know, you talk about some of those out take some of those have made their way to the Internet.
You know where NBC kind of splices up the best off and stuff like that.
You talk about the deleted scene from Phyllis is wedding.
You know, the classic Bob Vance Vance refrigeration handshake seen.
Is there a moment for you? That's kind of underrated moment.
That really when you sit back and you watch the show, it's like, ****, that is really funny.
Well, there's a bunch.
All of them are.
I mean, the Siri's is, you know, I mean, e mean every scene, every character, they're funny.
Okay, Uh, And so it was an incredible array of talent, you know? I mean, it used to actually, you know, I remember thinking to myself where there was some rapid fire exchanges and just being mesmerized by the talents, they took it.
All this talent, any one of these people could have their own show.
You know, that's how good all these people are.
I mean, so it's magical when you get a cast like that and the writing is, you know, also exemplary cause it's the writing in TV, right? People think you're improv ing. No, no, no, no.
You don't improv anything.
You do it exactly as it's written.
It's an NBC show.
It's a network show.
The network improves every line in the script before you shoot it.
It's not a question of you.
Just go have Oh, we'll just wing it.
No, there's You know, the only improv that you saw was when John and Steve and Rain, uh, we're trying to make each other laugh, you know? And well, no, no.
The other players, uh, took those liberties mean you're not there to slow things down.
You are there to move the machine along, so you don't you know you don't blow takes? That's all I'm saying.
Couple times I snuck a couple of improv lines it, you know.
But one time Greg Daniels was not happy with it whatsoever.
He was like, uh, could you just do what I wrote? I'm like, Yeah, let's do it, Let's do it right way I'm ready.
You know, there's always a lot of talk and I feel like there will be for just the rest of time of fans like myself, that air just begging for reboot.
But, you know, if somebody that works in media, you know you're an actor, you've done plenty of other things outside of the office.
Could you explain to people kind of why that's so difficult to pull off? And if it were to happen? Is Bob Vance in? Well, of course, Look, there's a lot of speculation about it.
I mean, it's not coming from Idol sources is not coming from the fans.
This is from the network executives.
They're trying to figure out how to do it.
Well, it's easy here.
Here you go, NBC It's called Vance Refrigeration, and Bob Vance hires a bunch of people that used to work with under mifflin.
So do their Ugo.
Wow, I was I solved the problem of how to reboot it right there. They're Ugo.
I like that now.
And, you know, they almost got into that there When Saber kind of blinks in with Dunder Mifflin.
Saber sends it to Vance refrigeration.
The rest is history.
You know something we talked about before we press record heard through the g****vine.
You're a lifelong Los Angeles Lakers fan.
This show is based here in Cleveland.
You guys got one of our own LeBron James in Hollywood.
How you feelin, champ? Because the Lakers just want it all.
Well, they didn't feel like much of a championship.
Really, Without fans, it's nothing, you know? I mean, that whole thing sucks, so, yeah, we'll take the win in number 17.
It ties in Boston.
Good thing I'm not the biggest LeBron fan.
He's a little too mouthy for me.
I mean, everybody can have their opinion, but I don't really need your politics.
Thank you very much.
So let's move on.
Um, you know, how is LeBron perceived in L.
A. Because L. A is kind of a liberal place.
A lot of people here in Cleveland had conspiracies like, Oh, he left Cleveland, you know.
Not only are were Red State, the Cavs are owned by Dan Gilbert, who's very Republican owner.
He's kind of right hand man with Donald Trump.
Obviously, Lakers fans, though, are passionate.
They're like it's kind of about rings.
Not really about your politics.
What's the perception of LeBron like basketball? I mean, l a Kobe town.
What is Magic Johnson town? I mean, you you don't win one in the town Falls in love with you in Laker land.
He still has toe prove his bona feeds.
That was Anthony Davis to carry that team.
I mean to me, watching them play this year early in the season, I was astonished by David.
I mean, that guy, that guy, that's who you want.
I mean, if I was starting franchise right now, that would be my first.
It could be an today if you if you don't mind. Tell people.
How did you How did you fall in love with the Lakers? Well, I'm a West Virginia.
So Jerry West was my guy when I was a kid growing up, you know? I mean, the 6 ft four shooting guard.
I mean, his stats.
People should go back to read Jerry West, stat.
They'll make LeBron cry.
Okay? I mean, this this guy did it all mean averaged in the playoffs 44 15 and 12.
I mean, astonishing stuff.
And then when I moved to L.
A. Of course, that's when Showtime began.
And I had season seats one year, luckily at forum.
And, you know, that was a fun year.
Did you goto You know, how many, 50 games? 100 games, a 60 games. Good.
So really feel like you're part of it.
And I usedto have dinner and Jerry Buss box.
I mean, I got to do all kinds of fun stuff, and so when they moved tables, it sort of changed, you know, changed a little bit.
I mean that that that arena was nowhere near the forum.
You know, so much is made now of, like, basketball now versus basketball.
Then was is it more physical then? Obviously, you have the nineties.
You had the Showtime Lakers before that.
Now you know a lot of complaining about the whistles.
A lot of crying around the basket.
Where does Bob Vance fall in all that? Well, I put the Showtime Lakers up against any squad in history.
I mean, really, uh, seriously, I mean, because Kareem Abdul Jabbar, you know, really, people forget that this guy was unstoppable, really had the best shot ever.
The 15 ft baseline skyhook with either hand. Come on.
I mean, no one e think it got blocked once or twice in his 20 year career.
You know, Bob Vance is a superstar on cameo.
Now tell people as you sign off here, where can people go check you out on cameo and get a personal message from Bob Bands of e even breakup? I did break up.
So you know, if you gotta deliver some bad news like it's not you, it's me.
I'll do that for you dudes.
I mean, it's cowardly.
You should do your own break up.
It's a cameo dot com.
You love to hear that.
Hey, man, thank you so much for joining the show.
It was definitely a lot of fun.
Everybody loves the office.
Thanks so much love.
That's what she said.
Thanks so much, Man.
Refrigeration out man.
Great stuff there.
Robert Schaeffer from NBC's The Office.
Not a huge LeBron James guy is Bob Vance thinking that if he would start his own franchise, Anthony Davis, not LeBron, would be the player that he would start set franchise with fantastic, hilarious stuff from Mr Schafer? Thanks for huge thanks to him for coming on the show.
If you need a cameo like he said, he's done breakup off of cameo.
So if you need a video from Bob Vance Vance refrigeration, make sure to go check him out on there.
Great stuff, weird stuff.
Let's get into some by we grades, huh? What do you say? How about we talk about some Browns on this fine Wednesday evening? Eso The Browns are halfway through their season, and I still don't feel like I have, like, a firm grasp on what this team is on who they are.
We know some things.
We know that Kevin Stefanski has been cautious with Baker.
He's kind of used them in a game manager type role.
We know that the team has definitely run heavy that they're going to utilize the tight ends that they're gonna pull the guards on the offensive line on.
That's gonna kind of be their identity there.
I'm still looking for what this team's identity is on defense.
For a second, we knew that the identity was creating turnovers, and I think that's a good identity toe have is a team that's ableto, you know, forced turnovers.
But what concerns me most about the Browns defense's what happens and where do they go when that turnover, that's well of turnovers dries up.
And Boy did a dry up on Sunday in that 16 to 6 loss versus the Las Vegas Raiders? Um, something that bugged me that game.
Time of possession.
Brown's got murdered.
Brown's only had the ball on offense six times, so the defense of identity is in question.
Were on offense.
We kind of know the identity, but sticking to set identity, I would say it would be a little has been a little bit of a challenge in the three games that they lost, so but let's go through the position groups and it's kind of rank where things stand with our favorite football team.
So I feel as if when you do that, you need to start with the quarterback.
Everything starts with Baker. Mayfield.
It's all on Baker.
He's been the only quarterback that we've seen this season outside of case Keenum and garbage time.
When it comes to fans, he was being cautious about Baker's ribs, so q B play.
This is strictly Baker.
I'm not gonna throw in that quarter of case.
I'm going to give it a C plus, and I know people are gonna be like Nick.
That's harsh, You know.
The Browns are five and three.
He's progressed from last year. I'm with you.
See, is a is a passing grade? Barely.
I'm giving him a C plus.
I think he's shown me enough.
That he's the guy in Cleveland is Baker Mayfield.
He's definitely my franchise quarterback.
I'm not wavering.
I don't want to see them look to the draft or towards free agency.
You know, first round this, that and the other Baker Mayfield.
My guy, he's shown me enough even in the losses.
He's shown me that he could make the throws to keep the Browns involved in football games and out of the third year quarterback on his fourth head coach.
That's all I can ask for.
So I'm gonna give Baker C Plus.
And the reason why it's not a B or it's not a is because I think as a quarterback that was drafted based off of swagger, moxie, leadership and overall winning Alfa male mentality, you need to bring it in those games against Baltimore and in Pittsburgh.
And those were the two.
Those were the two bad games that Baker played this year and versus Pittsburgh.
His ribs looked at all time bad.
The offensive line played their worst game of the season, so so he gets some past there.
But on the same hand, the reason that you were drafted was because of that leadership.
Because of the winning mentality and the winning lifestyle.
Almost, I'd be willing to say, I can't give Baker and A or B.
I will give him a C plus, though, which is still good.
Still passing grade.
Still my quarterback, he's still my guy.
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What are your grades for the season so far? Quarterback Baker Mayfield has a C plus. Not bad.
So the guys that helped Baker Mayfield out and really probably the guys that got Baker Mayfield to a C plus to a passing grade After what I would consider a failing grade last season.
What is the running back play? And I know Nick Chubb went down during the game in Dallas.
We've seen a lot of cream hunt.
Cream is a completely type of running back than Nick.
He's a much better pass catcher.
I don't think he runs through the tackles and hits the holes as quickly as Nick Chubb does.
He's more of a side to side horizontal runner, where Chubb is more of a vertical threat.
Um, my running back play, though I have to given a and that's an impressive A facing the fact that you're RB one has been out for for some games here, and it is coming back, thankfully supposed to on scheduled to be returning after the bye week.
But my running back play just has to get a because that's the identity And when you finally identify an identity on your team, which technically this age should also be shared with Kevin Stefanski, I would like to give him some props here, too, because he established the identity that they were going to run the ball, and they've been doing it an extremely effective rate.
There are up top of NFL and, you know, average rush our average yards per rush.
Kareem Hunt really dominates that category in the passing game.
Cream hunting Nick Chubb, when healthy, have brought a completely different variant to what Baker is able to do versus what Freddie tried to do last year.
So my running back play man that has to get a let's move the wide receivers.
This one is super hard for me because the Browns had, you know before the back of injury, one of the most dynamic receiver tandems in the NFL, with Odell Beckham Jr and Jarvis Landry Sprinkle Rashard Higgins or could Errol Hodge into that three spot? That's decent, but I'm going to give this group of B, and I think it could be better.
I think what dams this group from getting it from getting a is the bitter, nasty taste that I have in my mouth from what happened in that ***ue that Vegas Raiders game, You know that that was the most drops that we've seen out of a Browns game since 2018, Baker's rookie season and Jarvis head to David, a joke who I know is in a receiver.
He'll get lumped in with the tight ends, had a bad drop.
It's just they're doing well enough to get open, which is all I can ask.
The whole ghetto del involved thing really frustrated me.
I'm glad that's no longer a thing, but I feel like the receivers they're doing their job case in point.
They're gonna be tight end play.
I'm also going to give a be solely because Harrison Bryant has been such a pleasant surprise for this tight end room.
And I don't think I could stress that enough for as disappointing.
That David joke, who has been throughout his Brown's career, and you you have the drops, you have the complete inability and unwillingness to become a blocker out of David. No joke.
I'm Harrison Bryant has been the complete inverse of that.
He's done everything that's been asked of him, and I just think he's kind of the model tight end.
He does well in the blocking game.
He's been a good pass catcher outside of the fumble, so that's what's gonna give my tight end group.
Ah B for the Cleveland Browns.
The one thing that's been kind of about the tight ends and about the offense in whole I thought, I think Austin Hooper has been a little bit of a disappointment.
When we signed Austin Hooper, I knew he wasn't George Kittle. Travis Kelsey.
You know, I I'd even the Saints tight end.
You know those guys air top tier, T E one caliber guys.
I thought Austin Hooper was going to be just a tier below those dudes, and I don't know if he has been.
He got paid a lot of money to be serving as the average tight end.
Throughout eight games.
He's only played six of them.
He had that appendix surgery, so we still have eight more games of Austin Hooper this year.
and then a ton more throughout the rest of his Brown's career because of that massive contract.
But he has been a little bit of a letdown, at least to me.
Offensive line play.
Let's wrap up the offense with that before we get into the defense.
And, boy, do we have to get into the defense.
The offensive line play is also going to get a B for me so far on the season because Jed Rick Wills has played great in the games that they won, and horribly, in the three games that they have lost, he his Pff grade graded out horribly against the Vegas Raiders.
I don't know what it is, and I'm thankful that I don't know what it is.
I suppressed that memory because he played bad against Vegas and he was getting bullied around, and so was the entire offensive front.
So they get a B for me solely because Baker was on his backside in the loss to Pittsburgh and in the Los Thio.
Baltimore they did.
A much better job is a unit keeping him up upright, even though it was a loss to the Raiders on Sunday.
But to be The offensive line is just a complete, vast overhaul improvement from what we saw last year with Freddie Kitchens.
And I don't think that can.
That can be said enough that they've done a fantastic job with those guys in Cleveland and getting that group overhauled.
Bringing in Jed recoils, bringing in Jack Conklin the career resurgence of Wyatt Teller that I'm really looking forward to seeing after the bye week can't be, can't say enough about that offensive line.
Those big boys up front.
They're getting the job done.
Let's move to the defense and and let's just start ugly.
Let's start ugly with this defense and let's look at the safety I have the safeties for the Cleveland Browns graded at a D going into tonight, and that's solely because Ronnie Harrison has played well.
The dropped interceptions, though, have plagued him.
That pick six that should have been against the Raiders would have been huge.
He's dropped a couple picks so far in his Brown's career.
The safeties on this team have to play better.
How much do we have to complain about Andrew Sendejo before we finally get some Sheldrick red wine steps? Why is Andrew Sendejo, still playing 100% of defense of snaps for this Cleveland Browns defense.
I'm super curious, and I need to see what Joe Woods does after the bye week with Sendejo snap count because he cannot be playing 100 per snap percent of the snaps for this defense.
And that's why the defense of the first defensive grade that I'm going to give out tonight goes to the safeties and they're gonna get a D.
So let's go into the linebacker play, which has been equally bad.
And this is tough.
I gotta give these linebackers and F Mac Wilson.
We were high on him. He's bad.
I don't even want to talk about it.
Malcolm Smith has surprised me.
He's played incredibly well, but these linebackers or bad as we round out the defense, I want to give the defensive line of B.
Garrett has done a fantastic job upfront, forcing that football out.
Um, jeez, you can't say enough about him.
Sheldon Richardson has played better this year than he did last year, and Olivier Vernon is making plays, especially in the run game.
My only complaint with the defensive line is Larry Ogunjobi.
Bit of a disappointment out of him so far this season, at least the way that I see it.
So we go into cornerbacks, I'm going to give them a B as well.
Just because Dens Award, in my opinion, is exactly what you want out of a cover corner.
That's all I could say about them.
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No better way to do it with Thursday Night Football, where this game is played by the coronavirus, and we knew that there were going to be games that fell into this category this season, that we're gonna have a hard time getting their feet off the ground, and this seems to be the case, even though it looks like it's happening.
The Packers are gonna travel to San Francisco.
Both teams air without key players due to the coronavirus.
Obviously, the 40 Niners are without a lot of players due to other injury.
I think the Packers were just too good of a team this season.
You've heard me talk about it all season long.
We do this NFL whip segment.
I'm a believer and Aaron Rodgers, even though there without Erin Jones, they're probably without Jamal Williams due to Kobe.
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I just have to take the Packers in this one because of what Aaron Rodgers has showed me this season.
I know the 40 Niners at home are at home, but Rodgers is from Cali.
It's gonna be warm weather.
I just can't see how Green Bay loses this game.
So let's get into the Sunday matchups.
Kind of boring guys.
A disappointing NFL week.
In my opinion, fantasy is gonna be a weird week if you have to have a week where you pick a Sunday with no Browns football on to do chores.
This would be the week because the other games that are on this late aren't that polarizing? Let's head to Mercedes Benz Superdome in Atlanta, where the Falcons host the Denver Broncos.
I think Atlanta could get a win here.
I don't know what's up with Denver, especially having to travel to Atlanta.
They've been a Jackal and Hyde team all season.
Um, you know, they won last week, Drew lock, shows you really good things and then shows you really bad things.
I don't know what to make of that defense yet, and Atlanta on the inverse is just the team that will do anything to lose.
And this is just one of those games where the quarterback experience matters.
So I'm gonna pick the Falcons at home in this one.
Um, really, for no reason.
Just because I feel like Matt Ryan outplays Drew Lock and and then that's gonna be the end game in this one.
So let's move on.
Let's head to Buffalo, where the Seattle Seahawks and Russell Wilson's M V P candidacy continues against the Buffalo Bills.
This will be the best of the one o'clock games.
Obviously, the bills have been good this year.
Some people think there are fools gold type of five wind team.
I'm actually gonna pick the Seahawks in this one on the road just because the pick your poison receiver duo in Seattle for Russell Wilson off D.
K. Metcalf for Tyler Lockett.
We haven't seen a game yet.
We're both of those guys get acclimated.
Their running back situation should be slightly more balanced.
This past week, they were on Lee with D J.
Dallas due to Chris Carson breaking his foot.
Carlos Hyde dealing with injury.
Some of those players should be back for Seattle this week.
Not to mention that defense got a little bit of help.
They signed Carlos Dunlap.
Well, I expect to be active for this game.
Give me Seattle on the road, beating Josh Allen and those Buffalo Bills in a tight, close game.
Probably the best of one o'clock, though, so we head to Nissan Stadium in Nashville, where the Chicago Bears come to town against the Tennessee Titans.
I'm a big Rabel guy.
I've talked about it on this show before, and I think Tennessee comes into this game completely ****ed off.
They were embarrassed by Joe Burrow in the Cincinnati Bengals last week.
I think This is just revenge game written all over it.
Listen, I know the Bears have five wins.
They are the definition of fools gold.
They have no quarterback outside of Alan Robinson.
They really have no offensive talent.
Their defense is spotty at best.
There in a similar fashion to the Browns when they can't force turnovers.
I don't know what the Bears defense really is, especially with the banged up clear Mac give me the Titans at home because I think they're going to go into that game playing angry.
We had Thio Indianapolis, where this game has playoff implications for the A F C North as the Baltimore Ravens in the Indianapolis Colts do battle.
Obviously, the Colts like the Browns in a position to be dealing with.
You know, some of those wild card spots, obviously an extra one this season.
Culture at home.
I think the Ravens get a comeback game here, and it's gonna be close, and I so badly want to see the Colts win this game.
The Ravens are going to be without Marlon Humphrey.
There's somewhere 789 players that came into contact with Marlon Humphrey, who tested positive for Cove in 19 interested to see how bad situation plays out in Baltimore.
I just think the Ravens air a little bit more talented than the colt.
The Browns were able to beat the Colts.
I don't know if that bodes well for Indy, even though they're at home.
Give me the Ravens on the road, and that one is bad, as I kind of hate to do that where we had to.
Kansas City, where the reigning Super Bowl champs and Patty Mahomes Chiefs are gonna host the Carolina Panthers.
Panthers have hit a bit of a skin, but they get Christian McCaffrey back in a huge game.
Unfortunately, it looks like the Chiefs are right back into Super Bowl stride.
Mahomes looks good, Andy Reid.
Look, it's good that defense certainly looks good.
I can't pick against the cheese.
I can't pick against them in Arrowhead Stadium.
Uh, give me the Chiefs here just because I think it's gonna be too much Patty Mahomes and no disrespect to Carolina because as you guys know, if you watch the show before I'm high on the Panthers, I like Matt rule.
I like the receiving court that they have their obviously How can you be a fan of Christian McCaffrey's? But I I think too much offensive firepower in this one.
For the Chiefs, we head to the beautiful US Banks stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota Were the Vikings play host to the Detroit Lions? Obviously, Lions don't have to travel very far for this game.
Vikings gotta win last week against the Green Bay Packers, and I feel like this could be a little bit of a turn of the tide type of game for Mike Zimmer's Vikings.
I projected at the beginning of the year that, as did many that Matt Patricia would be fired from the as the head coach of the Detroit Lions after this year.
So I'm going to stand true to that, and I'm gonna pick the Vikings at home.
I think the Vikings have the Mo mentum.
They didn't blow up in abandoned ship like many people expected them to at the deadline.
Harrison Smith, Anthony Anthony, uh Harris.
Still two key players on that defense that remain in Minnesota after this deadline.
They didn't trade Adam feeling they still have Justin Jefferson.
I think Kirk Cousins is good enough to get the job done and win this game against the Detroit Lions were we head to Washington, where the football team hosts the New York Giants.
Do we have to talk about this game? I'm gonna pick the Giants just because they impressed me. Really.
On Monday Night Football, I thought Danny Dimes played good enough.
Their defense certainly showed up and looked ready to play.
Just for the sake of things, man, give me the Giants on the road because they look like they're picking up steam.
I can't buy into him Daniel again. Daniel Jones.
I can't buy into him, either, but I think New York could do enough to win this football game against the football team who just can't trust them, either.
That's the prison inmate game of the week.
That's gonna be on all the prison televisions where we head to Jacksonville, where the Houston Texans come to town and the Jacksonville Jaguars, likely without, are not likely, definitely without Gardner Minshew for this game.
And I'm actually gonna pick the Jags here.
I think Mike Glennon in Jacksonville, or if that's even the starter.
They also were saying not to count out the rookie I believe it will be Mike Glennon on Sunday, though.
I'm gonna pick the Jags in this one just because Houston has to go to Florida.
Uh, DeShaun Watson Will Fuller.
Who knows what the morale of the Texan of the Texans looked like? Will Fuller was rumored and reported toe really be close to going on the move toe head to Green Bay to play with the Packers.
I wonder what morale looks like in Houston and, ah, blow on the road to Jacksonville would not bode well for the Texans, who, of course, after the by will play the Cleveland Browns.
That's a game to keep your eye on.
If you're a Browns fan, I know it's a random game, but I'm gonna keep be keeping my eye on that one, where we head to the brand new sofa I stadium in Los Angeles, California, where the Los Angeles Chargers play host to the Las Vegas Raiders, two teams that have moved cities recently.
Give me the Chargers in this one.
They broke my heart last week. Justin Herbert.
I was all aboard the hype train.
I still am Vegas beat the Browns, but I still don't think they're that good of a team.
They had that Hunter Renfroe Phantom touchdown, where there wasn't conclusive evidence to see if that ball popped out.
Josh Jacobs against the fraudulent Brown's defense and the defensive front ran wild.
I don't think that happens against the Chargers, and I'm picking the Chargers toe win this game at home, where we head to Jerry World and we're heading into Jerry World because the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are undefeated, are going to play the Dallas Cowboys, possibly without bending Nucci.
Obviously, they lose Dak.
They lose Andy Dalton concussion protocol, then gets Cova.
Benda Nucci plays horribly on Thursday Night Football in prime time, and they might start Garrett Gilbert, former Browns back up straight off the practice squad in Jerry World in front of their fans at home against the unbeaten Pittsburgh Steelers.
Oh, dear Lord, my heart is gonna give out on me, but I have to pick the Steelers.
I mean I mean, come on, Dallas is a mess at at the quarterback position on I don't know what they're gonna dio because, you know, yeah, they're just in for a rough year.
They'll get a good pick, maybe It'll be a 40 Niners type situation where you had a bad year, where you only win three games.
You draft Nick Bosa.
You're in the Super Bowl.
Maybe hold on to that type of hope.
Because this game against the unbeaten Pittsburgh Steelers defense, if you're starting, you know Ben DeNucci.
Garrett Gilbert, the other guy that you got in Dallas? Uh, that's bad.
We had to Arizona, where the Cardinals host the Miami Dolphins to looked good enough in his first game.
Um, obviously, it helps when you get a defensive touchdown, followed by an 88 yard punt return to the House.
So that definitely gave the Dolphins a spark.
I think Ryan Forest is a great coach for Miami.
I think to, uh, will work out there enough to prove that he's the guy for the Dolphins.
Unfortunately for him in this game, I'm a bigger believer in Kyler Murray.
It's his second year.
The D hop connection has looked good, and Cliff Kingsbury has looked good in his second season.
Quite frankly, he's everything that we kind of hope Freddy would be in that offense.
It seems to be clicking, so I'm gonna take the Cardinals in that one in our last 4 25 spot where we head to Sunday Night Football.
Finally, we deal with some horrible games.
Not horrible, but some unfavorable? Not really.
Ah, whole lot of fun type of games During the four o'clock in the one o'clock slates, we finally get blessed with Sunday Night Football or the Saints traveled to Tampa Bay and Brady hosts Breeze.
Obviously, they're tied for that all time touchdown record.
I'm picking Brady at home in this one.
Drew Brees is really good.
I need to see him get the ball down the field.
Michael Thomas could possibly be back for the Saints for this game.
Something to keep your eye on bites.
I think Brady wins.
He's just too good.
How could I pick? How could I pick against Tom? Where in this one Monday night Football? Uh, man.
Poor Bill Belichick to win Team New England Patriots head to New York to play the Jets, listen to Jets blow.
I don't know why they're on prime time.
I don't know how that happened.
I'm excited to watch Cam Newton and Bill Belichick and the Patriots on prime time.
I feel like they've been given the short end of the stick this year.
They're better than advertised.
But I'm gonna pick them in this game because, man, the Jets, the Jets are just miserable.
And I cannot pick that at all, So yeah, give me the Patriots.
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