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start. That's it.
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I'm feeling pretty good about this debate.
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Okay, we're back.
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Technical difficulties done.
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Oh, my God.
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We're going through that camera.
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It's actually working.
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What the ****? Okay, we'll get that.
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Look at this thing.
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They're working.
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I'm Zak Bruner.
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Joining me is Jake.
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Hello, Jay.
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Hello.
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And Henry were to be doing some 80 p dollars yet again, discussing some people that ain't drafted at similar positions.
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Henry and J Ground opposing sides I to be completely honest, don't know what side I am on from motive.
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These so you guys will probably do some convincing of me because I picked these because I honestly, I don't know who to pick between a lot of, but we can start, actually.
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You know what, Jake? We were talking about cowboys last time.
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Cowboys, you know, big coward within, um, Greg Hardy knew that was, uh, your big cowboys fan.
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Defending deck Prescott.
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Ezekiel Elliott.
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What? What do you make of Greg Hardy going down? Uh, you know, rupturing is quad.
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Somehow a ruptured quad was in his contract.
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Cowboys, you know, ditched him, got away from that.
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How do you think that hurts? They're DST over.
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Ah, especially in the division, like the NFC East.
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You know, Powerhouse.
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Well, I mean, say what you want about the guy when he's on the field, he can produce.
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Um, so obviously, take a player away, the player that could do something away from them, and they're probably going to hurt slightly.
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But I mean, um, I I think they're gonna be fine without him.
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At least they lose him early in a just move on.
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And I don't really know I'm not on the amount on the Cowboys beat just because I think that Prescott and, uh and, uh, Elliot, um are gonna have good seasons? I don't know.
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I'm no cowboys expert.
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Really? So, um, just the fan.
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No, not Fanny.
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That can, either.
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I just think big Elliott, Dak Prescott are gonna have big years.
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And I actually saw floating around on Twitter.
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I forget who put it out.
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It might have been somebody from bar stool, but, um Colin Dak Prescott for MPP already, so I don't know if I'm willing to go that far.
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I don't think I'm willing to go that far quite yet, but hey, other people, other people are coming up with more outrageous cowboy steaks.
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And I am so I'm fine resting.
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Do you? Obviously, in our Cowboys fans, for both of you, Who do you think's gonna win the NFC East? The probably them, Yeah.
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I mean, who else is gonna be? I think I was on Dallas and now losing losing Gerald McCoy.
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That that's a problem.
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Because when you look at what the major issue was last year for them, it was defensive play, particularly the defensive front.
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And they spent draft capital and free agency capital trying to address that.
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Now you're losing one of the likely key contributors.
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And granted, they had some injuries last year with guys in and out.
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But that's I don't know.
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That's a big issue to solve, and I think offensive explosion, all the shining toys.
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You gotta love Dallas.
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I think Philadelphia, though they've proven it last year, and they've proven it in years past.
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Just kind of big grind out wins.
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And I think I'm leaning eagles after that injury.
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And also there's a lot of continuity in Philly and thing I like about the Eagles, they actually have secondary now would get, um, Darius Slay in there.
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Um so that was their major area of weakness last year, and I think that that should be much improved for them Defensively.
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That defense is nasty minus the secondary last year.
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So I've heard talk.
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I just got back from Philly this past weekend, so maybe that's why I'm all Pro Eagles.
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But Jalen Mills, like this, might be moving to safety.
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So there, working on moving some things around there on.
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And I think the defense is gonna be, uh, tougher.
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Even that Dallas offense to go up against, especially when you consider Dallas is line.
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Might not be quite a strong as it's been.
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I think the Eagle is gonna be really good.
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I fully expect them to probably split their season series.
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I think they both should probably take care of the Redskins and the, uh and the Giants as well.
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So I think it comes down to who wins more games total.
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And I think that the team and set up better do that right now is the Ah Dallas Cowboys.
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I think they have, um, I don't know as faras like strength of schedule, like officially, but just from what I remember, I think they have a few more winnable games, a few like easier games than the Eagles.
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So I think they might just have a little bit better record.
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And then if they can split the season series with them one, the one you know, see what it comes down to.
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But, um, I don't know.
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I think they're both gonna be competitive.
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I just think, you know, you lose somebody important on defense, but you've got until one of those offensive players goes down until we lose, you know, um Cooper or deck or seek somebody like that, I think the offense is gonna be able to score points, so I don't know.
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I guess hit the over is on.
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The Cowboy games is here, straight from the Cowboys fans.
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Now, before we get into the actual battles sting on the NFC East with transitioning to fantasy a little bit, I'm not sure if you guys heard that Miles Sanders is actually week to week now in Philadelphia with a lower body injury.
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Do you guys think they're going to reach out to a veteran like, you know, divide Freeman? Somebody like that who still available, and if so, does this how far does Mile Sanders drop for you guys? Is he so RB one or does he dropped down to like, the RV to tear? Well, if you bring somebody in, like, a Freeman or somebody that has, you know past that we've seen be really successful, especially in the fantasy world.
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I mean, his stock could drop quickly after a couple weeks of success by replacement.
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Um, as faras Ah, without any further signing, I think he drops maybe a few positions, but probably a guy that if he is there at the right spot, you still want to scoop him up.
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But, uh, also a guy that again somebody could come in.
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And, you know, you missed your first few weeks and somebody else is producing.
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We've seen it in other roles on other teams.
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You might come back, but, you know, your carries might drop from, you know, 15 or whatever.
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Game toe, single digits.
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I mean, who knows? Yeah, I think anything in Philly.
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I did not while I was down there.
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He was not week to week at that point, but expectations obviously been really high four miles Sanders taking not just leap in your too but also with no Jordan, our there and a bigger workload as well.
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I feel like Philadelphia's got to reach out to somebody if he is indeed going Teoh, you know, being in jeopardy of missing games.
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I like Boston Scott.
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I don't know about a consistent work horseback.
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They also drafted Michael Warren, which I guess that's interesting.
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But he's got to be a depth players rookie year, I would think, although I really like a lot of what he did in college, maybe just another name to keep an eye on further down the depth chart.
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But Freeman, it's still out there.
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So you know this is a team Eagles fans and the Eagles.
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I think both believe that there's still built to win now and it's hard to argue that when you look at the defense and such because we've already talked about.
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So if Sanders system this time I would definitely pull resume that they would make a move well and the thing is due and you got when you got a young back like that, they're obviously planning on leaning on him over the course of the next couple of years, so if you bring in a veteran guy who's producing for you.
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Just find there's no reason to rush your young young player back.
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You might bring him back slowly, like that's why I said you might.
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You might be back on the sidelines, but you might see five carries, six carries.
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Next week, you get eight carries.
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Uh, you know, slowly build himself back up, and that's fine in the long run, especially just talking real life football.
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But if you're talking fantasy and this guy's not in a full fledged role until halfway through the season, that's not necessarily maybe somebody you got you want on your team.
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Yeah, angry.
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This is just frustrating.
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I was not as high on Mile Sanders as some people were, but there's just been crazy high panem this offseason, but pretty much immediately after Doug Peterson.
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Like while Sanders is our guy, he's gonna be every down back.
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He goes down in his week to week, so even if he's ready from the start of the season, I just feel like they need to bring somebody in that because he's not gonna hold up like if he's the every down back.
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I'm here already can make it through non count contact practice.
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Yeah, there's been no pre season.
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There's been, like, hardly any hitting.
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They started late, and yet he still gets hurt right off the bat.
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That's not the greatest sign and just playing for Philadelphia.
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I see who it seems like is full of injuries.
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Like if you want a lower body injury, I could guaranteed lower body injury, go play in Philadelphia first season or to let everyone gets hurt.
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Do you guys think that not to prolong this preamble into the 80 p debates, but without a preseason? Do you guys think? Well, Seymour injuries early on in this season because I'm in that boat where I think we're going to see, sadly, more names than we want to kind of fall by the wayside early because you think about it every preseason, every training camp you have guys go down and you know it sucks from a fantasy standpoint because they're lost for the year.
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But I think some of those players might make it to the regular season with no pre season, um, and modified camps.
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But I got feel like we're gonna see arise and early season injuries so that's gonna that could cause some crazy lineup shuffling and roster management Early on, I think injuries and penalties are going to be plentiful in the first few weeks.
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Yeah, and I think, uh, I think it could go both ways for the offenses as well.
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Obviously they have.
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No, I mean, a lot of teams take the Packers, for example.
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Aaron Rodgers.
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I believe last year didn't take a single snap in the, uh in the preseason.
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I'm remembering correctly.
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Maybe my mind been two seasons ago. I can't remember.
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But, you know, a lot of teams will only start their starting quarterback a few down a few plays.
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But as far as everybody else, the offensive line working together, the running backs reading holes, getting a feel for for their offensive line, everything like that, it could stifle offenses.
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And we could see some pretty low scoring games or everybody could just come out shooting and defense is might not be ready offense.
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It might be more successful.
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You never really know.
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It's gonna be extremely hard to gauge without this preseason at all, even though pre season typically doesn't mean too much anyways.
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Um, still, when you're when you're talking starters with absolutely not, not a single snap playing together.
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Especially like I said, those offensive linemen and other other players like that non position players it could be, could be a rough week or two.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I think defense's will be ahead of offenses to start the season defense.
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You know, see ball, get ball.
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It's not too complicated offenses.
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There's a lot of moving parts.
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And no, they didn't have mini camp.
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They didn't have all these things.
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They're really just starting this week, honestly, getting going.
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And it's gonna be complicated.
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And then on top of not having football activity, Uh, that's leading to gonna impolite him or injuries.
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But no one's taking hits right now, even in contact practices like Pack Packers.
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You know, with Leclere.
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Anyways, he's known for basically walk throughs 24 7 anyway.
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But, um, like there's people you don't you don't have a plan until they get punched in the face right.
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Like that's the whole I quote.
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That's how it's going to be in here about players like Rob Gronkowski looks at the best of his physical, you know, physically is the best.
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He's ever been right.
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He's never He hasn't taken a hit in two years like his injuries were back injuries.
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He might be able to run in a straight line faster than he's ever.
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But if he gets knocked on his ass, it could be bad.
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In speaking of rock Gronkowski, you know, good Segways that let's get into the ADP battles will do tight ends first.
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We do have Rob Gronkowski going up against another injury prone tight, and Evan Ingram, a Rob Gronkowski Arena, was being selected as tight and sick.
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73 overall.
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Evan Ingram, tight and 7 77 overall, obviously ground captain played since 2018 that year.
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He was 10 and 11 while missing three games.
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Evan Engram was tight and 18 last year.
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Missed half of the season.
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He was taken seven Kerr game.
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Um, you know, talking about both of these guys.
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It really is injuries.
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Most of its health.
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Henry, I know you're on Evan Ingram's side.
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Do you think he stays healthy this year? Does that not matter to you? I think he's not gonna miss eight games like he did last year.
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Injuries are definitely gonna be a risk, especially with the modified preseason and camps and such that we just talked about an increased risk, maybe even more so for a guy like Ingram who has missed time in the past few years, the number that you said that I had jotted down as well that really stood out to me and tight end.
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Seven in points per game, 13.
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7 points per game last year for Ingram and PDR scoring.
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You're too of Daniel Jones full Daniel Jones at the home last year.
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There was a little bit of Eli Manning in there as well, particularly when Ingram was on the field.
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Because I started the season at quarterback for the Giants.
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It can only get better.
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You know they're gonna be new coaching regime coming in as well.
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So, yes, there are other miles to feed. Yes, Take, want.
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Barkley is going to be the focal point of this offense.
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Anger.
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I'm still gonna be a solid safety valve going over the middle.
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You know, the big target? Um, wide receivers have been banged up and there are a lot of injury question marks.
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Health concerns for those players as well.
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Here for the giants, Sterling Shepard last year, we weren't even sure if he was gonna play another down in the NFL.
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Fortunately, he's coming back.
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Hopefully, for his sake, it works out.
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Golden Tate, miss some games last year with the suspension.
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He's well, getting older could be more prone to injury.
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They're working out of the slot as well, and we saw City quite miss some time as well.
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Presumably, he's gonna be have a healthy season.
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But you know, if he goes down, there's more targets to go around there as well.
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I think it's gonna be a fairly pass happy offense.
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Jones should be throwing the ball quite a bit, and uh, basically the rebuttal against Gronkowski here.
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I'm just not buying, all right, Him being all that.
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It's, I guess, getting hyped up to be down in Tampa Bay.
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I think Tom Brady will be fine.
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It might take some adjustment at first, but, uh, Arians, not really known for using the tight end a whole lot.
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There are two other tight ends there.
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O.
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J. Howard, for me, is in the prime of his career.
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Yes, he's not used enough, but, uh, he's got to see some time on the field right? And you got Chris Godwin.
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Like Evans, we talked about that wide receivers for Tampa Bay, in depth on the last show.
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They're going to see targets.
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The backfield is kind of shaping up to be interesting here as well, so I can't touch Gronkowski.
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I don't I don't even think even if he felt to me, I would be hesitant to pull the trigger over several other guys well down the board.
00:16:25
I'm not sure that this one's really close for me.
00:16:27
Honestly, Well, um, you said you have a lot of good points.
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You said a lot of things I want to touch on.
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Basically, for Ingram, In my opinion, the biggest thing he's got going for him is like you said. The questions.
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Ah, at wide receiver.
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The fact that plays with the young quarterback Young quarterbacks loved to use big, talented, uh, tight ends as safety blankets, so I think he's gonna get a lot of looks in his direction.
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But I also think that he's going to be probably defense is key in on.
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I think he might get double team quite a bit, team.
00:17:04
We're gonna plan for him and again We don't really know who Daniel Jones is.
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He saw him have a couple really big games, a couple really bad games.
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He's gonna have a lot to prove here in year in Year two, but I think he's gonna look in the direction of Evan Ingram quite a bit.
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So you might Ah, you might benefit from a lot of those extra catches, especially in a PPR league.
00:17:25
Um, Evan Ingram, though, does not convert in the red zone or scores money.
00:17:29
**** Stones as Rob Gronkowski has his entire career like grand cause.
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A lot of haters for, you know, whatever.
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There'd been many various reasons, but kind of like Tom Brady and kind of like the Patriots.
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How we just heard.
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You know Brady's gonna go downhill.
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The Patriots are over Baba block.
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I quickly moved in the camp of like I'm not gonna doubt them until I see it.
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Until I see Grant come back, be totally handled by defense is not produce on the field.
00:17:56
Like I just don't believe a man who was selected to the top 100 team retired at 29 years old, multiple times, super Super Bowl winner, obviously, even contribute.
00:18:07
That said, You know, that will check Brady whatever you want, but he was, But it's Nick and roll on those games.
00:18:13
I just don't think a guy like that can come back after a year off the football.
00:18:17
And, like you said, Zack, you know, he hasn't taken a hit in two years.
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That could be a terrible thing for him.
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His body might not know how to react anymore, or he could truly just be rejuvenated, ready to go.
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He's a football guy.
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He's a big he's a meathead by backward.
00:18:32
Gronk is he wants contact.
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So, um, I haven't taken this much time off getting healthy and feeling good.
00:18:39
I think you know, Grog came back, uh, fully on his own volition.
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You want to come back to any other team except for, you know, with a different situation with Brady.
00:18:49
So he clearly wants to be here.
00:18:52
He's one of the best tight ends of all time, and you may be right where you could get you know, you might be able to get better, better production on a per game basis out of somebody else.
00:19:03
But I think he's going to rack up the touchdowns.
00:19:05
I think he's gonna be the same old drunk that maybe not 23 24 year old drunk.
00:19:10
But I I don't think he's gonna be any worse that he wants his last couple years, and I put worse in air quotes his last couple years in New England, and that was still a pretty **** good tight.
00:19:19
Um, so I'm just rolling with drunk for all of those reasons.
00:19:23
Like I said, if he comes out this year and it wasn't meant to be like, Hey, I rolled the dice on something on you know, monster potential.
00:19:32
I think Evan Ingram has, ah, lower ceiling this year, then Gronk can't grok would if everything plays out perfectly for drunk.
00:19:41
And again, he's got a lot of talent around him on this Tampa Bay offense.
00:19:45
Um, as you mentioned, Bruce Aaron's doesn't like Teoh or typically has not use the tight end a lot in the past.
00:19:51
But guess what? It's really easy to adjust your coaching strategy and your playbook when you have when you bring in one of my students of all time.
00:19:58
You parent with O.
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J.
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Howard and he, um O.
00:20:02
J.
00:20:03
Howard is gonna benefit from having drunk on the field.
00:20:05
Same thing is going to go the other way around.
00:20:07
Um, we've seen drunk just absolutely destroyed defenders before.
00:20:10
Double coverage doesn't matter.
00:20:12
Ah, it's not like you forgot how to catch the ball.
00:20:15
So as long as you can stay healthy, I think Gronk is is going to be grunt.
00:20:19
And I can understand the question marks.
00:20:21
I can understand the hesitation, um, from you and many others, Henry, But, uh, for me, I'm in the, uh, you know, prove it to me.
00:20:30
Prove that you can shut down ground, prove that he's no good anymore and then maybe I'll believe you.
00:20:35
But until then, I'm a rolling down.
00:20:38
I totally respect your arguments.
00:20:39
I'm just going to say I have a little bit of a problem, I guess saying Gronk has a higher ceiling on the wrong side of 30.
00:20:46
Then anger, who should get very age wise.
00:20:50
The product is either.
00:20:51
Yeah, Ingram's also it.
00:20:53
He's also young player, and he's also not playing with the best quarterback of all time.
00:20:56
He's playing under a new head coach.
00:20:58
I mean, there's just there's a lot of Don't don't laugh at the, but I had widely considered the best quarterback of all time, and it three, Uh, but at Ingram's playing with the new coach, he playing with a young quarterback again, like I'm taking the what I know in ground versus, you know, the question marks.
00:21:18
The potential of Ingraham is there, of course, and, uh, he might be one of the best tight end in the league for many years moving forward.
00:21:25
But as far as this year, I'm not even convinced the Giants can win more than four or five games again this year there and approve it to me.
00:21:32
Ah, type situation as well.
00:21:34
So I mean, you want to take want taking room, you know, take Ingram.
00:21:40
I don't think is gonna have a bad year, but I don't I don't I don't think it's going to be quite as good as what crack can potentially put out there.
00:21:48
I'll just add the one area of the Giants that I don't think he's going to prove anything.
00:21:53
Issues the defense.
00:21:54
And so, like you said, this isn't probably isn't gonna be a good team, and I think I might have mentioned it earlier.
00:21:59
But if They're losing a lot of games and giving up a lot of points.
00:22:02
That's just our past targets to go around.
00:22:04
So for fantasy, they can suck on the field for fantasy.
00:22:09
And my God Fresh Ingram.
00:22:11
Sure, but then again, in that situation, you know you want to try and force the young quarterback, throw the ball down the field to his unproven wide receivers and take away his easy option in the big tight and across the middle of.
00:22:24
So I just think Ingram is gonna be keyed in by the fences and they're going up, especially early on in the season.
00:22:30
And they're going to try and force, um, Daniel Jones toe throw the ball down the field.
00:22:39
No, they're fair.
00:22:40
Uh, this one really is a toss up to me.
00:22:43
I think there's zero chance either.
00:22:45
Tight end plays a full season.
00:22:48
You know, you don't want to predict injuries, but, uh, I don't need to because sports injury predictor dot com can do it for me.
00:22:57
Uh, you look at it, Able Ingram 98% chance of injury and 2020 which is stupid.
00:23:05
I think the only person hire might be Rob Gronkowski who is 99%.
00:23:10
Hey, it's ridiculous and it shows every, you know, not not to plug them a lot, but it shows a detailed list of every injury they've ever had.
00:23:21
Gronk, you know, recently was dealing with the back stuff.
00:23:25
Evan Ingram.
00:23:26
His injuries feel fluky to me.
00:23:28
I just I don't I don't believe they're making injuries.
00:23:31
Last time was a foot sprain, Um, and then before that, like the big ones were a hamstring pull.
00:23:40
And like, you know, can that happen again? Absolutely.
00:23:43
It seems like he keeps getting a lot of lower body injuries, but never really the same thing.
00:23:49
It doesn't seem like something's not a wear and tear injury like, you know, back that that scares me.
00:23:56
Um, which also kind of place to the point of like, you know, those were his injuries were injuries that compiled over crazy amounts of usage over years and years and years.
00:24:08
So the fact that he's now been off for two basically two calendar years he hasn't played a football game, and he still is, like all the wrong side of 30 being 30 like you know, or is he 31? I think he's on the third either way.
00:24:23
Okay, well, all right.
00:24:24
So you were right. You're right, Henry.
00:24:26
But either way, you know, he's still he's got a fresh body.
00:24:30
Ah, compared to what you played with for the previous eight or nine years.
00:24:35
And we saw a drunk.
00:24:36
We saw Gronk dominate, you know, with all his robo gear on.
00:24:41
He had so many problems, whatever.
00:24:43
And he's still out there performance.
00:24:44
And I think even if he does get hurt or injured, um, this year, as long as it's not like a c l or something crazy like that, I think this might be his only year back unless they find incredible success and he comes back next year.
00:24:56
But he could push through.
00:24:57
We know that you can push through and he will push through.
00:25:00
So even if they do both end of hurt, anger might be off the field drunk.
00:25:04
Might be honest.
00:25:05
I don't know, man.
00:25:06
He might still be feeling the, uh effects of that dive off the podium at the performance center to take the 24 7 title.
00:25:14
That was That was quite the fall that was heard a long time ago.
00:25:20
is his friend Mojo Rally has been, uh, has not had the greatest success in the W W I.
00:25:27
I will say that his biggest moment ever was his Brown was right.
00:25:33
Yeah, I wasn't.
00:25:34
Although speaking of that, um, Adam Cole first Pat McAfee I believe that you cannot wait that electric like I don't know how many people watching this scream watch nxt Ian General, uh, next is probably my favorite wrestling promotion.
00:25:50
I also love a W.
00:25:52
But that's some good stuff.
00:25:53
That's some good content even put.
00:25:55
Now.
00:25:56
My two guys were both going for titles.
00:25:57
We got the feed going for the ah, Universal championship.
00:26:03
He's my feet remain roster guy that we got carrying cross who's like all about him in that entrance is so great knees going for Is it North American or the United States? I have watched the next team and I know he's got the title of opportunity.
00:26:16
Yeah, I think it's the North American okay championship, But I'm not.
00:26:22
I'm not as caught up on ext either, and this is interesting extreme, so we shouldn't get too deep in the weeds but fallen prey.
00:26:29
I've always thought that he the used people whose check it out even if you're not like you know, W W fan.
00:26:34
Whatever much different, different promoting, different kind of wrestling.
00:26:37
Very cool.
00:26:38
And Pat McAfee is gonna be on, not at NFC take over 30.
00:26:42
So check it out.
00:26:44
Pat McAfee and he's got a Jayhawk Witham theories.
00:26:47
Butler has been walking with him.
00:26:49
He's getting a whole whole posse going with him right now. It's pretty sick.
00:26:52
Yeah, triple eights like he doesn't good **** on Annex D.
00:26:55
Like, I think if this was on main roster, you know, all the stuff we've seen in the past the celebrities, football players that kind of turned hokey and like, you know, it's cool that they're there and whatever, but I think whatever they come up with with Pat is gonna be **** good.
00:27:08
And I've heard that Pat's been actually trip like, you know, he might frozen legit wrestling stuff out there might actually look for to give it.
00:27:15
That's what I've been hearing and Pam act.
00:27:17
He's good at everything he does, so I'm excited for it.
00:27:21
Completely agree.
00:27:23
Ah, a couple last points here on this tight ends and then we'll jump over and running back.
00:27:27
I just feel like the range of outcomes with wrapped around house be so much more.
00:27:33
Ban Evan Engram.
00:27:34
Just because of the teeming plays on I don't put too much stock into him being on the wrong side of 30 just because, I mean, you know, like I do fully believe that he's energized and he's feeling the bus he's ever felt.
00:27:47
I believe that's 100% true again.
00:27:50
How long is that gonna happen? Maybe first game when he gets clocked, you know? But they're gonna run a lot of 12 personnel, so he's gonna be on the field quite a bit.
00:27:58
But he's not going to be the only tight end, you know, Red Zone.
00:28:03
I mean, there's Mike Evans there as well.
00:28:05
I think they eat into each other middle of the field.
00:28:08
If Chris Godwin going underneath the same as Gronk, I mean, it's not the theme is New England, where they had one guy who could run straight, five running backs who can run routes and then rob Gronkowski.
00:28:19
I was about, you know, and then Julian Edelman or Wes Welker, you know, doing their thing.
00:28:24
That's about it.
00:28:25
um, but I What I would predict is Rob Gronkowski finishes higher than Evan Ingram the season.
00:28:33
But I would much rather have Ingram.
00:28:35
I think he is higher ceiling.
00:28:37
I think he it's gonna be better in points per game.
00:28:42
I just I don't I think it's injuries, air flukey.
00:28:45
But I think there's gonna be something else happening.
00:28:47
I don't think he can hold up for whatever.
00:28:51
Let's put two running backs who are very, very similar in terms of fantasy.
00:28:57
For me this season, it's It's weird.
00:28:59
There's lady on Bell verses. Melvin Gordon.
00:29:01
Maybe I'm Bell second year with the Jets.
00:29:03
He is currently going as running back 16 overall, 28 overall.
00:29:09
He finished as running back 16 last season while missing one game.
00:29:14
Melvin Gordon went over to the Broncos This year I was running back 23 last year, obviously missed those four games because the holdout he's currently being drafted.
00:29:23
Running back 21 36 15.
00:29:28
1 Fancy points per game Last season.
00:29:31
Maybe Annabelle. 14.3.
00:29:33
Pretty pretty similar Boulder in a shared backfield.
00:29:39
Jaker on Melvin Gordon side.
00:29:41
Why do you like Melvin Gordon in Denver this season.
00:29:46
I honestly don't have, like, all too much to say about this matchup.
00:29:50
I don't necessarily.
00:29:52
I'm not gonna be gunning for either of these guys, but if I had to choose between the two, I'm gonna take Gordon.
00:29:57
Um, just because is ah, a little bit less of a risk, I think.
00:30:03
And I think that he wants to be with the team that he's playing for.
00:30:07
And that's key for me.
00:30:08
Lady on Bell.
00:30:10
I don't think he wants to be not only wants to play on the Jets, and if the Jets start one in five, I'm, like, not so sure that he wouldn't just be like I'm out like he's already lost.
00:30:20
He's already, You know, I had a problem with Adam's leaving.
00:30:25
He's said other things about the organization, and we've seen him hold out for an entire year before and do what he did to the Steelers after the Steelers.
00:30:34
You know, I guess you could say they did or did not treat him very well, but he was in a good position.
00:30:38
There he was, uh, he was liked by the fan base by the most.
00:30:42
For the most part, he was leading the entire league and stats.
00:30:46
And yet he decided, Teoh, you know, get out of town.
00:30:49
He ends up with the Jets.
00:30:51
I don't see why he wouldn't try and do the same thing to get out of the Jets.
00:30:54
That as far as as far as all the shenanigans aside, I think he's gonna be the number one option on the team is gonna have the ball in his hands a lot.
00:31:04
So he has a chance to produce.
00:31:05
Um, sure.
00:31:07
But I think mouthing Gordon in that hopefully explosive Denver offense is gonna be fun to watch.
00:31:13
Uh, remember Gordon's great when you can get the ball around it out around the outside.
00:31:21
I love watching him dio like sweet plays runs for your home pitches.
00:31:27
Thank you.
00:31:28
He ah, he excels when he gets to the outside, gets a little space.
00:31:31
I think Denver's offensive line is a little bit better than the Jets offensive line, and I think that they're going Teoh just bomb the ball a ton this year with the ah young quarterback with the big arm.
00:31:44
John Elway loves throwing the ball downfield.
00:31:46
He loves you love prominent.
00:31:48
So I think defense Is there going to be playing back a little bit, buying off expecting that? And Salvadorans been able to eat up either up the middle, swing to the outside, whatever.
00:31:58
But I think Gordon's set up for a pretty good year and he never really had a bad year.
00:32:02
Um, as a charger.
00:32:04
So that's all I got to say.
00:32:12
All right, I can jump in.
00:32:13
Uh, nothing, Gordon.
00:32:15
I'm excited to see what he does on Denver.
00:32:16
I think the number is actually really sneaky Team in the FC just in terms of, you know, win total making the playoffs, Uh, for all your betters out there may be looking at some of those odds and shopping around seeing what you might be able to find.
00:32:30
I think this is a bounce back here.
00:32:32
That defense is still good.
00:32:33
It's not what it waas when they wanted.
00:32:34
Super Bowl was still very good.
00:32:36
A good offensive line.
00:32:38
One of the I believe they were top 10 in run blocking efficiency, if not very close to it last year.
00:32:45
So Gordon coming over and being able to run behind that compared to the oft banged up kind of patch ordeal that was in, uh, that he acted the Chargers last year.
00:32:57
That should bode well for him.
00:32:58
My main concern for Melvin Gordon, from a fantasy standpoint, is filled ones.
00:33:02
He still gotta have a role in this offense, right? He's been to the not to roads.
00:33:06
Freeman's also there, and Drew Lock is still a question. Mark it quarterback.
00:33:11
So, um well, I think that the hated con much too far and I'm higher on him.
00:33:16
I think that a lot of people that seems like a to this point, I am excited to see what this passing offense can do.
00:33:22
It's not a proven thing.
00:33:24
Uh, the Jets passing offense also not a proven thing.
00:33:27
Uh, and we could say We want about Adam Cases play calling Theme the major problem for me.
00:33:34
And I think underlying in the statistics last year for the Jets was the atrocious offensive line play.
00:33:42
Uh, the 31st ranked offensive line in run blocking efficiency last year, uh, were the New York Jets.
00:33:50
The line has gotten a complete makeover here this offseason.
00:33:53
Mukai Beckton, Obviously the splashy move will be 11th overall pick in the draft, but free agent signings include condiment governed George fan Ah, Gregg Rotten.
00:34:03
And they also drafted camera Clark Who stuff of him coming out of Charlotte.
00:34:09
There is some late round potential value there, depending on how the offense of line situation shakes out for the Jets.
00:34:16
It's going to be tough, you know, we're hearing team chemistry and continuity from last year's such a big thing this season more than ever, without pre season with a ah modified training camp, UH, outlook.
00:34:30
So building that chemistry along the line, where chemistry is probably the most important on the field that that's something to watch for with the Jets.
00:34:41
But it can't be worse than last year.
00:34:42
Really, can it? Um, Levy a bell? He's He's the best talent in the offense, that most proven talent.
00:34:49
Um, as far as the shenanigans.
00:34:52
I'm not expecting to see it in the second year.
00:34:53
He did get paid.
00:34:54
We have to remember that, Um, unless the season really goes south and I guess we can start to worry.
00:35:01
And yes, Frank Gore came in? Yes, Adam Gates over used him in Miami.
00:35:06
Yes.
00:35:07
That is a concern I'm gonna lean towards.
00:35:09
He's more of a spell than getting in there as a vulture until I'm proven otherwise.
00:35:16
You know it's interesting and Gates and talked about how he overused lovey on earlier in last year.
00:35:21
And, of course, Donald was on the field for three games because of mono, all right, and he's looking to not overwork him early this year.
00:35:31
What kind of gonna be interested to see how it all plays out? I guess you know if we could have a full season of Diamond, a better improved offensive line play, some exciting young town out of receiver and men's Jamison Crowder coming back as well a couple of good tight ends there.
00:35:45
I've heard it can stay on the field with all his issues.
00:35:50
I don't know if it's gonna be quite as bad as a lot of people think.
00:35:53
This Jets offenses it, I should say, right off the top of the Jets fan, So I'm optimistic.
00:35:59
Yes, it's painful to be a Jets fan, but at the same time as I'm optimistic, it could also go horribly wrong and I could just be spewing nonsense right now.
00:36:08
But for me, I got to go with Love Yang because he has the more the more clear path, um, to being a workhorse running back, I guess for me this year, even if the offense is not as productive overall, is Denver's.
00:36:26
It's interesting to that.
00:36:27
You bring up that Adam Gates wants to back off on him a little bit in the first few weeks, opening weeks, I going off that I honestly could see both of these running backs may becoming like starting off a little bit slow, just coming in tow both of these offenses.
00:36:44
Getting getting work, getting reps.
00:36:47
We're not the full, uh, not full workload because again, as we mentioned already know preseason, Uh, if if Gates wants to back off a little bit and you know Vic Fangio might look to his guy Phillip Lindsay, a guy that started it, I already did it for him last year and then might just plug and play Melvin Gordon in those first couple weeks until they can find what's working for him.
00:37:10
Because again, you don't have the preseason to kind of know that, Um, so I think they both could start off a little bit slow, but I just think obviously you're locked.
00:37:19
Is is a big question mark.
00:37:21
He did look good last year, for the most part, but, um, Vic Fangio, a defensive guy.
00:37:28
So I think he might look to run the ball quite a bit, even know John Elway again loves that big arm quarterback.
00:37:34
Will, probably trying nudged him a little bit.
00:37:35
Throw the ball down the field.
00:37:37
But either way, however they get there.
00:37:38
I think the Broncos were set up to have a lead in games more often than the Jets are set up to have a leading games, and obviously they have a lead.
00:37:49
As the game goes on, you're gonna be running the ball more so Melvin Gordon might get more looks from that aspect as well.
00:37:55
So just something to keep in mind there.
00:37:59
Yeah, we're touching on the other element of offenses to improved offensive line played in the run game should also mean better passing protection for Donald, which the tests were also terrible at that.
00:38:10
I don't have the line last year, Um, and you bring in a couple of new targets here for Donald to play with, hopefully the passing game.
00:38:19
We'll see a little bit of an uptick as well, and I know both backs can get it done in the re the receiving game.
00:38:26
But I guess trailing games for me, that wouldn't be as much of a worry.
00:38:30
Um, in favor of backing Bell here because of his pro us in the passing game.
00:38:36
Um, Frank Gore is not really gonna be your past catching back.
00:38:39
And I know they drafted LaMichael p Ryan, too.
00:38:41
But he's looking at being the third guy, I guess right now on the depth chart.
00:38:45
So, um, even in a trail in a even in a losing spot, I think both still has a major role in the offense.
00:38:53
And the other thing, I guess I would just add from last year.
00:38:55
He had the high volume.
00:38:57
Um, but he was He was really the what? What else were defense is defending when they were playing the Jets.
00:39:04
You know, you're able to throw all these guys at him and just the fact that he was able to, um, do as well as he did, I think is commendable.
00:39:14
Yeah, he missed a game Zach mentioned off the top.
00:39:19
Uh, there should be more touchdowns.
00:39:20
I would think this year a little bit of a positive Russian just to the, uh, career standard there, assuming this offense does improve.
00:39:29
Uh, so just a couple more knows their toe support.
00:39:32
My, uh my God Levy on both of these running backs took it's this week with news that came out, which is interesting.
00:39:42
Melvin Gordon says he's still struggling to adjust to Denver's altitude, which I put almost double stock in.
00:39:49
But whatever, um, that's his ADP is going down foot.
00:39:54
I mean, he's had a really good games in Denver in his career, and he, you know, was one game.
00:39:58
I don't think you really adjusted for that one game.
00:40:01
Um, that's like I just literally reminds me of like, yesterday Dave Portnoy tweeted out that he was sick and pen stock went down.
00:40:11
I mean, that's the same thing is like hearing that he's not used to the altitude and his ADP starts to drop its like Dude, it's not.
00:40:17
That's not gonna left.
00:40:18
That's not something that should matter.
00:40:19
That's just it's just fun.
00:40:21
I mean, if he's dropping, grab that value.
00:40:23
I'll today I'll take out the two concerns for value any time.
00:40:27
Oh, any time.
00:40:28
Those are Those are very minimal concerns in my mind, especially when you know half a season you're not even there and buy your telling me by December you're not gonna be used to the altitude even.
00:40:39
But after you play, it's probably too, because if not, he hasn't played an actual game situation.
00:40:45
You know, like when you're just practicing training and stuff, you notice how much more tired you are for one year, you know, amped up, ready to go.
00:40:52
You got the adrenaline flowing in a game situation, but I'm not gonna notice it as much.
00:40:55
And then all of a sudden look here to three games in and you're totally back to normal.
00:41:01
We're also three weeks away, too.
00:41:02
So he's got time True? Yeah, he's gonna be fine.
00:41:06
And before I get into, like, a hit on, leave Ian Bell.
00:41:10
I just looked up.
00:41:11
The stats are percentage of his rushes against eight men in the box.
00:41:14
Just cause I thought that would be interesting.
00:41:17
Like you said, Jets passing a.
00:41:18
My season sucked even when Donald was back.
00:41:22
I mean, there's no weapons outside of James in crowded, but surprisingly, you only had 17.
00:41:29
About 17% of his rushes against eight men in the box, which isn't bad.
00:41:35
I mean, even Christian McCaffrey, a 24% Which is crazy.
00:41:40
Um, Derrick Henry let it with 34% which isn't surprising.
00:41:45
But 17%.
00:41:46
And that's probably going to drop would be my guest.
00:41:50
Um, Jets.
00:41:51
Offense of line, I think, is better than Denver's offensive line.
00:41:54
Even though it's relatively inexperienced in terms off.
00:41:58
You know, chemistry and being with each other, I don't think beckons very good.
00:42:03
Ah, the guy they just drafted.
00:42:04
He's touted as the best tack on the draft.
00:42:07
I don't think his techniques very good.
00:42:09
He's gonna think he's better and run blocking, obviously, but he's going to get Donald's head kicking off at least once a season.
00:42:17
Um, Donald doesn't like it.
00:42:19
I mean, it's not like you, you know, it's not like it's something complains that much.
00:42:23
You can tell he doesn't like it. Hit.
00:42:25
It wasn't hit a lot in college.
00:42:26
Not a guy that likes to get him.
00:42:28
I mean, I wouldn't have to get it either.
00:42:30
No, no.
00:42:31
Especially when you play.
00:42:32
Got the chats like you get up.
00:42:34
I got ****, you know.
00:42:36
Come on, Uh, at least I'm not hopping on this cowboys.
00:42:41
I'm staying true to my team.
00:42:43
Four years old, maybe bleeding green.
00:42:46
Would you cheer for before the Jets? I didn't watch football.
00:42:50
It's when I was four.
00:42:52
I was.
00:42:53
I was too young and naive to Oh, and since you were for I thought it was someone for Yeah, you got a Jets fan.
00:43:00
The story goes, my favorite color was green.
00:43:03
I guess it still is.
00:43:04
But you know that kind of waivers as you get older.
00:43:08
And I saw the Green Team playing on TV because being in upstate New York, we get those games and they played the pills twice years.
00:43:13
I'm sure that's how it happened.
00:43:15
And I was like, Yeah, that's my favorite team And I cried that year.
00:43:19
They I think they went to the divisional round against the Steelers and lost.
00:43:23
I cried, and my dad, a lifelong Giants fan, is just glad that I saw the Jets before the Eagles.
00:43:31
Yeah, you gotta You gotta be a friend of somebody.
00:43:33
That's not that's not the Giants.
00:43:36
At least it's not the right, Exactly.
00:43:41
I could be the charge a quick my computer always knows this whenever we stream my head like 60% like 30 minutes ago, announced on a 9% go for talk about these two.
00:43:51
Henry, you were talking about how you don't think Frank or is going to take anything away.
00:43:56
And this week they actually came out and said the exact opposite.
00:43:58
They really want to take down bells, carries in favor of Gore.
00:44:02
And at the same time, cores like, by the way, 37 years old said he could have had 1000 rushing yards last season if that gave him the ball, more guys were over.
00:44:11
He is 37.
00:44:13
I fully believe he could have led the league last year in rushing yards that they just gave the ball.
00:44:17
I feel like his retirement is just gonna be him hopping into a spaceship that comes out of his back and he just leaves Earth and he's like, I'm done with football.
00:44:26
It is incredible.
00:44:29
He's so good.
00:44:31
He's not obviously not what he once was.
00:44:33
He's gonna get touches.
00:44:34
I think there's a legitimate chance he gets 10 carries per game in this offense.
00:44:39
But here's the debate, though, so frank or he's gonna get touches.
00:44:43
You know, Phil plans he's gonna get touches in Denver.
00:44:45
Which, Which player? Which backup player? Do you think it's more touches per game between Phillip Lindsay and Frank Gore? Well, if I'm the coach, it's Lindsay.
00:44:56
I mean, you got a young guy there who has produced his first two years in the league.
00:45:02
Um, why wouldn't you wanna have him in almost for me? It could be almost an identical split with him and Gordon.
00:45:11
Honestly, I would not be surprised.
00:45:13
Ah, Granite.
00:45:15
The contract, I guess regarding Denver doesn't have a whole lot tied up.
00:45:18
And then he definitely did not get what he was hoping for in free agency.
00:45:23
Um, you know, I would feed Lindsay the rock more than gore.
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The big concern for me, Um, I think from the Jets and Frank Gore standpoint, is we saw Adam gays just fall in love with him, but Miami And granted, there was not a love Ian Bell in Miami.
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But there was a Kenyan Drake, and you know, I'm not gonna dive into opinions on Drake now.
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I think there are different ones out there, but I would say that I'm gonna put Bell a notch above him, I think on also Gore being a few years older now.
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So I guess this is out of Gates is one chance.
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Like he can prove me.
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Ah, that to me that he is truly incompetent and, uh oh, suffer the consequences is a fan and for keeping up for for Bell in this ADP them? Yeah.
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Both Lindsay and Gore.
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I mean, they couldn't be more opposite in terms of their careers in terms of the way that play, I
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Debating Fantasy Football ADPs

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Henry John @HankTimeSports

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start. That's it.
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I'm feeling pretty good about this debate.
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Okay, we're back.
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Oh, my God.
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We're going through that camera.
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It's actually working.
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What the ****? Okay, we'll get that.
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Look at this thing.
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They're working.
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I'm Zak Bruner.
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Joining me is Jake.
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Hello, Jay.
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Hello.
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And Henry were to be doing some 80 p dollars yet again, discussing some people that ain't drafted at similar positions.
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Henry and J Ground opposing sides I to be completely honest, don't know what side I am on from motive.
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These so you guys will probably do some convincing of me because I picked these because I honestly, I don't know who to pick between a lot of, but we can start, actually.
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You know what, Jake? We were talking about cowboys last time.
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Cowboys, you know, big coward within, um, Greg Hardy knew that was, uh, your big cowboys fan.
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Defending deck Prescott.
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Ezekiel Elliott.
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What? What do you make of Greg Hardy going down? Uh, you know, rupturing is quad.
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Somehow a ruptured quad was in his contract.
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Cowboys, you know, ditched him, got away from that.
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How do you think that hurts? They're DST over.
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Ah, especially in the division, like the NFC East.
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You know, Powerhouse.
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Well, I mean, say what you want about the guy when he's on the field, he can produce.
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Um, so obviously, take a player away, the player that could do something away from them, and they're probably going to hurt slightly.
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But I mean, um, I I think they're gonna be fine without him.
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At least they lose him early in a just move on.
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And I don't really know I'm not on the amount on the Cowboys beat just because I think that Prescott and, uh and, uh, Elliot, um are gonna have good seasons? I don't know.
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I'm no cowboys expert.
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Really? So, um, just the fan.
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No, not Fanny.
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That can, either.
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I just think big Elliott, Dak Prescott are gonna have big years.
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And I actually saw floating around on Twitter.
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I forget who put it out.
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It might have been somebody from bar stool, but, um Colin Dak Prescott for MPP already, so I don't know if I'm willing to go that far.
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I don't think I'm willing to go that far quite yet, but hey, other people, other people are coming up with more outrageous cowboy steaks.
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And I am so I'm fine resting.
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Do you? Obviously, in our Cowboys fans, for both of you, Who do you think's gonna win the NFC East? The probably them, Yeah.
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I mean, who else is gonna be? I think I was on Dallas and now losing losing Gerald McCoy.
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That that's a problem.
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Because when you look at what the major issue was last year for them, it was defensive play, particularly the defensive front.
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And they spent draft capital and free agency capital trying to address that.
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Now you're losing one of the likely key contributors.
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And granted, they had some injuries last year with guys in and out.
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But that's I don't know.
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That's a big issue to solve, and I think offensive explosion, all the shining toys.
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You gotta love Dallas.
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I think Philadelphia, though they've proven it last year, and they've proven it in years past.
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Just kind of big grind out wins.
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And I think I'm leaning eagles after that injury.
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And also there's a lot of continuity in Philly and thing I like about the Eagles, they actually have secondary now would get, um, Darius Slay in there.
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Um so that was their major area of weakness last year, and I think that that should be much improved for them Defensively.
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That defense is nasty minus the secondary last year.
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So I've heard talk.
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I just got back from Philly this past weekend, so maybe that's why I'm all Pro Eagles.
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But Jalen Mills, like this, might be moving to safety.
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So there, working on moving some things around there on.
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And I think the defense is gonna be, uh, tougher.
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Even that Dallas offense to go up against, especially when you consider Dallas is line.
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Might not be quite a strong as it's been.
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I think the Eagle is gonna be really good.
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I fully expect them to probably split their season series.
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I think they both should probably take care of the Redskins and the, uh and the Giants as well.
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So I think it comes down to who wins more games total.
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And I think that the team and set up better do that right now is the Ah Dallas Cowboys.
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I think they have, um, I don't know as faras like strength of schedule, like officially, but just from what I remember, I think they have a few more winnable games, a few like easier games than the Eagles.
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So I think they might just have a little bit better record.
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And then if they can split the season series with them one, the one you know, see what it comes down to.
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But, um, I don't know.
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I think they're both gonna be competitive.
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I just think, you know, you lose somebody important on defense, but you've got until one of those offensive players goes down until we lose, you know, um Cooper or deck or seek somebody like that, I think the offense is gonna be able to score points, so I don't know.
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I guess hit the over is on.
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The Cowboy games is here, straight from the Cowboys fans.
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Now, before we get into the actual battles sting on the NFC East with transitioning to fantasy a little bit, I'm not sure if you guys heard that Miles Sanders is actually week to week now in Philadelphia with a lower body injury.
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Do you guys think they're going to reach out to a veteran like, you know, divide Freeman? Somebody like that who still available, and if so, does this how far does Mile Sanders drop for you guys? Is he so RB one or does he dropped down to like, the RV to tear? Well, if you bring somebody in, like, a Freeman or somebody that has, you know past that we've seen be really successful, especially in the fantasy world.
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I mean, his stock could drop quickly after a couple weeks of success by replacement.
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Um, as faras Ah, without any further signing, I think he drops maybe a few positions, but probably a guy that if he is there at the right spot, you still want to scoop him up.
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But, uh, also a guy that again somebody could come in.
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And, you know, you missed your first few weeks and somebody else is producing.
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We've seen it in other roles on other teams.
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You might come back, but, you know, your carries might drop from, you know, 15 or whatever.
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Game toe, single digits.
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I mean, who knows? Yeah, I think anything in Philly.
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I did not while I was down there.
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He was not week to week at that point, but expectations obviously been really high four miles Sanders taking not just leap in your too but also with no Jordan, our there and a bigger workload as well.
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I feel like Philadelphia's got to reach out to somebody if he is indeed going Teoh, you know, being in jeopardy of missing games.
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I like Boston Scott.
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I don't know about a consistent work horseback.
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They also drafted Michael Warren, which I guess that's interesting.
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But he's got to be a depth players rookie year, I would think, although I really like a lot of what he did in college, maybe just another name to keep an eye on further down the depth chart.
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But Freeman, it's still out there.
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So you know this is a team Eagles fans and the Eagles.
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I think both believe that there's still built to win now and it's hard to argue that when you look at the defense and such because we've already talked about.
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So if Sanders system this time I would definitely pull resume that they would make a move well and the thing is due and you got when you got a young back like that, they're obviously planning on leaning on him over the course of the next couple of years, so if you bring in a veteran guy who's producing for you.
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Just find there's no reason to rush your young young player back.
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You might bring him back slowly, like that's why I said you might.
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You might be back on the sidelines, but you might see five carries, six carries.
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Next week, you get eight carries.
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Uh, you know, slowly build himself back up, and that's fine in the long run, especially just talking real life football.
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But if you're talking fantasy and this guy's not in a full fledged role until halfway through the season, that's not necessarily maybe somebody you got you want on your team.
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Yeah, angry.
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This is just frustrating.
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I was not as high on Mile Sanders as some people were, but there's just been crazy high panem this offseason, but pretty much immediately after Doug Peterson.
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Like while Sanders is our guy, he's gonna be every down back.
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He goes down in his week to week, so even if he's ready from the start of the season, I just feel like they need to bring somebody in that because he's not gonna hold up like if he's the every down back.
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I'm here already can make it through non count contact practice.
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Yeah, there's been no pre season.
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There's been, like, hardly any hitting.
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They started late, and yet he still gets hurt right off the bat.
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That's not the greatest sign and just playing for Philadelphia.
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I see who it seems like is full of injuries.
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Like if you want a lower body injury, I could guaranteed lower body injury, go play in Philadelphia first season or to let everyone gets hurt.
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Do you guys think that not to prolong this preamble into the 80 p debates, but without a preseason? Do you guys think? Well, Seymour injuries early on in this season because I'm in that boat where I think we're going to see, sadly, more names than we want to kind of fall by the wayside early because you think about it every preseason, every training camp you have guys go down and you know it sucks from a fantasy standpoint because they're lost for the year.
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But I think some of those players might make it to the regular season with no pre season, um, and modified camps.
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But I got feel like we're gonna see arise and early season injuries so that's gonna that could cause some crazy lineup shuffling and roster management Early on, I think injuries and penalties are going to be plentiful in the first few weeks.
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Yeah, and I think, uh, I think it could go both ways for the offenses as well.
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Obviously they have.
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No, I mean, a lot of teams take the Packers, for example.
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Aaron Rodgers.
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I believe last year didn't take a single snap in the, uh in the preseason.
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I'm remembering correctly.
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Maybe my mind been two seasons ago. I can't remember.
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But, you know, a lot of teams will only start their starting quarterback a few down a few plays.
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But as far as everybody else, the offensive line working together, the running backs reading holes, getting a feel for for their offensive line, everything like that, it could stifle offenses.
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And we could see some pretty low scoring games or everybody could just come out shooting and defense is might not be ready offense.
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It might be more successful.
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You never really know.
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It's gonna be extremely hard to gauge without this preseason at all, even though pre season typically doesn't mean too much anyways.
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Um, still, when you're when you're talking starters with absolutely not, not a single snap playing together.
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Especially like I said, those offensive linemen and other other players like that non position players it could be, could be a rough week or two.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I think defense's will be ahead of offenses to start the season defense.
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You know, see ball, get ball.
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It's not too complicated offenses.
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There's a lot of moving parts.
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And no, they didn't have mini camp.
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They didn't have all these things.
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They're really just starting this week, honestly, getting going.
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And it's gonna be complicated.
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And then on top of not having football activity, Uh, that's leading to gonna impolite him or injuries.
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But no one's taking hits right now, even in contact practices like Pack Packers.
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You know, with Leclere.
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Anyways, he's known for basically walk throughs 24 7 anyway.
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But, um, like there's people you don't you don't have a plan until they get punched in the face right.
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Like that's the whole I quote.
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That's how it's going to be in here about players like Rob Gronkowski looks at the best of his physical, you know, physically is the best.
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He's ever been right.
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He's never He hasn't taken a hit in two years like his injuries were back injuries.
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He might be able to run in a straight line faster than he's ever.
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But if he gets knocked on his ass, it could be bad.
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In speaking of rock Gronkowski, you know, good Segways that let's get into the ADP battles will do tight ends first.
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We do have Rob Gronkowski going up against another injury prone tight, and Evan Ingram, a Rob Gronkowski Arena, was being selected as tight and sick.
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73 overall.
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Evan Ingram, tight and 7 77 overall, obviously ground captain played since 2018 that year.
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He was 10 and 11 while missing three games.
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Evan Engram was tight and 18 last year.
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Missed half of the season.
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He was taken seven Kerr game.
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Um, you know, talking about both of these guys.
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It really is injuries.
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Most of its health.
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Henry, I know you're on Evan Ingram's side.
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Do you think he stays healthy this year? Does that not matter to you? I think he's not gonna miss eight games like he did last year.
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Injuries are definitely gonna be a risk, especially with the modified preseason and camps and such that we just talked about an increased risk, maybe even more so for a guy like Ingram who has missed time in the past few years, the number that you said that I had jotted down as well that really stood out to me and tight end.
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Seven in points per game, 13.
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7 points per game last year for Ingram and PDR scoring.
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You're too of Daniel Jones full Daniel Jones at the home last year.
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There was a little bit of Eli Manning in there as well, particularly when Ingram was on the field.
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Because I started the season at quarterback for the Giants.
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It can only get better.
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You know they're gonna be new coaching regime coming in as well.
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So, yes, there are other miles to feed. Yes, Take, want.
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Barkley is going to be the focal point of this offense.
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Anger.
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I'm still gonna be a solid safety valve going over the middle.
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You know, the big target? Um, wide receivers have been banged up and there are a lot of injury question marks.
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Health concerns for those players as well.
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Here for the giants, Sterling Shepard last year, we weren't even sure if he was gonna play another down in the NFL.
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Fortunately, he's coming back.
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Hopefully, for his sake, it works out.
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Golden Tate, miss some games last year with the suspension.
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He's well, getting older could be more prone to injury.
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They're working out of the slot as well, and we saw City quite miss some time as well.
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Presumably, he's gonna be have a healthy season.
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But you know, if he goes down, there's more targets to go around there as well.
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I think it's gonna be a fairly pass happy offense.
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Jones should be throwing the ball quite a bit, and uh, basically the rebuttal against Gronkowski here.
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I'm just not buying, all right, Him being all that.
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It's, I guess, getting hyped up to be down in Tampa Bay.
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I think Tom Brady will be fine.
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It might take some adjustment at first, but, uh, Arians, not really known for using the tight end a whole lot.
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There are two other tight ends there.
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O.
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J. Howard, for me, is in the prime of his career.
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Yes, he's not used enough, but, uh, he's got to see some time on the field right? And you got Chris Godwin.
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Like Evans, we talked about that wide receivers for Tampa Bay, in depth on the last show.
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They're going to see targets.
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The backfield is kind of shaping up to be interesting here as well, so I can't touch Gronkowski.
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I don't I don't even think even if he felt to me, I would be hesitant to pull the trigger over several other guys well down the board.
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I'm not sure that this one's really close for me.
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Honestly, Well, um, you said you have a lot of good points.
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You said a lot of things I want to touch on.
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Basically, for Ingram, In my opinion, the biggest thing he's got going for him is like you said. The questions.
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Ah, at wide receiver.
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The fact that plays with the young quarterback Young quarterbacks loved to use big, talented, uh, tight ends as safety blankets, so I think he's gonna get a lot of looks in his direction.
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But I also think that he's going to be probably defense is key in on.
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I think he might get double team quite a bit, team.
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We're gonna plan for him and again We don't really know who Daniel Jones is.
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He saw him have a couple really big games, a couple really bad games.
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He's gonna have a lot to prove here in year in Year two, but I think he's gonna look in the direction of Evan Ingram quite a bit.
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So you might Ah, you might benefit from a lot of those extra catches, especially in a PPR league.
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Um, Evan Ingram, though, does not convert in the red zone or scores money.
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**** Stones as Rob Gronkowski has his entire career like grand cause.
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A lot of haters for, you know, whatever.
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There'd been many various reasons, but kind of like Tom Brady and kind of like the Patriots.
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How we just heard.
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You know Brady's gonna go downhill.
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The Patriots are over Baba block.
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I quickly moved in the camp of like I'm not gonna doubt them until I see it.
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Until I see Grant come back, be totally handled by defense is not produce on the field.
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Like I just don't believe a man who was selected to the top 100 team retired at 29 years old, multiple times, super Super Bowl winner, obviously, even contribute.
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That said, You know, that will check Brady whatever you want, but he was, But it's Nick and roll on those games.
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I just don't think a guy like that can come back after a year off the football.
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And, like you said, Zack, you know, he hasn't taken a hit in two years.
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That could be a terrible thing for him.
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His body might not know how to react anymore, or he could truly just be rejuvenated, ready to go.
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He's a football guy.
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He's a big he's a meathead by backward.
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Gronk is he wants contact.
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So, um, I haven't taken this much time off getting healthy and feeling good.
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I think you know, Grog came back, uh, fully on his own volition.
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You want to come back to any other team except for, you know, with a different situation with Brady.
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So he clearly wants to be here.
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He's one of the best tight ends of all time, and you may be right where you could get you know, you might be able to get better, better production on a per game basis out of somebody else.
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But I think he's going to rack up the touchdowns.
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I think he's gonna be the same old drunk that maybe not 23 24 year old drunk.
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But I I don't think he's gonna be any worse that he wants his last couple years, and I put worse in air quotes his last couple years in New England, and that was still a pretty **** good tight.
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Um, so I'm just rolling with drunk for all of those reasons.
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Like I said, if he comes out this year and it wasn't meant to be like, Hey, I rolled the dice on something on you know, monster potential.
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I think Evan Ingram has, ah, lower ceiling this year, then Gronk can't grok would if everything plays out perfectly for drunk.
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And again, he's got a lot of talent around him on this Tampa Bay offense.
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Um, as you mentioned, Bruce Aaron's doesn't like Teoh or typically has not use the tight end a lot in the past.
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But guess what? It's really easy to adjust your coaching strategy and your playbook when you have when you bring in one of my students of all time.
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You parent with O.
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J.
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Howard and he, um O.
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J.
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Howard is gonna benefit from having drunk on the field.
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Same thing is going to go the other way around.
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Um, we've seen drunk just absolutely destroyed defenders before.
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Double coverage doesn't matter.
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Ah, it's not like you forgot how to catch the ball.
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So as long as you can stay healthy, I think Gronk is is going to be grunt.
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And I can understand the question marks.
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I can understand the hesitation, um, from you and many others, Henry, But, uh, for me, I'm in the, uh, you know, prove it to me.
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Prove that you can shut down ground, prove that he's no good anymore and then maybe I'll believe you.
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But until then, I'm a rolling down.
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I totally respect your arguments.
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I'm just going to say I have a little bit of a problem, I guess saying Gronk has a higher ceiling on the wrong side of 30.
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Then anger, who should get very age wise.
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The product is either.
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Yeah, Ingram's also it.
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He's also young player, and he's also not playing with the best quarterback of all time.
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He's playing under a new head coach.
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I mean, there's just there's a lot of Don't don't laugh at the, but I had widely considered the best quarterback of all time, and it three, Uh, but at Ingram's playing with the new coach, he playing with a young quarterback again, like I'm taking the what I know in ground versus, you know, the question marks.
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The potential of Ingraham is there, of course, and, uh, he might be one of the best tight end in the league for many years moving forward.
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But as far as this year, I'm not even convinced the Giants can win more than four or five games again this year there and approve it to me.
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Ah, type situation as well.
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So I mean, you want to take want taking room, you know, take Ingram.
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I don't think is gonna have a bad year, but I don't I don't I don't think it's going to be quite as good as what crack can potentially put out there.
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I'll just add the one area of the Giants that I don't think he's going to prove anything.
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Issues the defense.
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And so, like you said, this isn't probably isn't gonna be a good team, and I think I might have mentioned it earlier.
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But if They're losing a lot of games and giving up a lot of points.
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That's just our past targets to go around.
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So for fantasy, they can suck on the field for fantasy.
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And my God Fresh Ingram.
00:22:11
Sure, but then again, in that situation, you know you want to try and force the young quarterback, throw the ball down the field to his unproven wide receivers and take away his easy option in the big tight and across the middle of.
00:22:24
So I just think Ingram is gonna be keyed in by the fences and they're going up, especially early on in the season.
00:22:30
And they're going to try and force, um, Daniel Jones toe throw the ball down the field.
00:22:39
No, they're fair.
00:22:40
Uh, this one really is a toss up to me.
00:22:43
I think there's zero chance either.
00:22:45
Tight end plays a full season.
00:22:48
You know, you don't want to predict injuries, but, uh, I don't need to because sports injury predictor dot com can do it for me.
00:22:57
Uh, you look at it, Able Ingram 98% chance of injury and 2020 which is stupid.
00:23:05
I think the only person hire might be Rob Gronkowski who is 99%.
00:23:10
Hey, it's ridiculous and it shows every, you know, not not to plug them a lot, but it shows a detailed list of every injury they've ever had.
00:23:21
Gronk, you know, recently was dealing with the back stuff.
00:23:25
Evan Ingram.
00:23:26
His injuries feel fluky to me.
00:23:28
I just I don't I don't believe they're making injuries.
00:23:31
Last time was a foot sprain, Um, and then before that, like the big ones were a hamstring pull.
00:23:40
And like, you know, can that happen again? Absolutely.
00:23:43
It seems like he keeps getting a lot of lower body injuries, but never really the same thing.
00:23:49
It doesn't seem like something's not a wear and tear injury like, you know, back that that scares me.
00:23:56
Um, which also kind of place to the point of like, you know, those were his injuries were injuries that compiled over crazy amounts of usage over years and years and years.
00:24:08
So the fact that he's now been off for two basically two calendar years he hasn't played a football game, and he still is, like all the wrong side of 30 being 30 like you know, or is he 31? I think he's on the third either way.
00:24:23
Okay, well, all right.
00:24:24
So you were right. You're right, Henry.
00:24:26
But either way, you know, he's still he's got a fresh body.
00:24:30
Ah, compared to what you played with for the previous eight or nine years.
00:24:35
And we saw a drunk.
00:24:36
We saw Gronk dominate, you know, with all his robo gear on.
00:24:41
He had so many problems, whatever.
00:24:43
And he's still out there performance.
00:24:44
And I think even if he does get hurt or injured, um, this year, as long as it's not like a c l or something crazy like that, I think this might be his only year back unless they find incredible success and he comes back next year.
00:24:56
But he could push through.
00:24:57
We know that you can push through and he will push through.
00:25:00
So even if they do both end of hurt, anger might be off the field drunk.
00:25:04
Might be honest.
00:25:05
I don't know, man.
00:25:06
He might still be feeling the, uh effects of that dive off the podium at the performance center to take the 24 7 title.
00:25:14
That was That was quite the fall that was heard a long time ago.
00:25:20
is his friend Mojo Rally has been, uh, has not had the greatest success in the W W I.
00:25:27
I will say that his biggest moment ever was his Brown was right.
00:25:33
Yeah, I wasn't.
00:25:34
Although speaking of that, um, Adam Cole first Pat McAfee I believe that you cannot wait that electric like I don't know how many people watching this scream watch nxt Ian General, uh, next is probably my favorite wrestling promotion.
00:25:50
I also love a W.
00:25:52
But that's some good stuff.
00:25:53
That's some good content even put.
00:25:55
Now.
00:25:56
My two guys were both going for titles.
00:25:57
We got the feed going for the ah, Universal championship.
00:26:03
He's my feet remain roster guy that we got carrying cross who's like all about him in that entrance is so great knees going for Is it North American or the United States? I have watched the next team and I know he's got the title of opportunity.
00:26:16
Yeah, I think it's the North American okay championship, But I'm not.
00:26:22
I'm not as caught up on ext either, and this is interesting extreme, so we shouldn't get too deep in the weeds but fallen prey.
00:26:29
I've always thought that he the used people whose check it out even if you're not like you know, W W fan.
00:26:34
Whatever much different, different promoting, different kind of wrestling.
00:26:37
Very cool.
00:26:38
And Pat McAfee is gonna be on, not at NFC take over 30.
00:26:42
So check it out.
00:26:44
Pat McAfee and he's got a Jayhawk Witham theories.
00:26:47
Butler has been walking with him.
00:26:49
He's getting a whole whole posse going with him right now. It's pretty sick.
00:26:52
Yeah, triple eights like he doesn't good **** on Annex D.
00:26:55
Like, I think if this was on main roster, you know, all the stuff we've seen in the past the celebrities, football players that kind of turned hokey and like, you know, it's cool that they're there and whatever, but I think whatever they come up with with Pat is gonna be **** good.
00:27:08
And I've heard that Pat's been actually trip like, you know, he might frozen legit wrestling stuff out there might actually look for to give it.
00:27:15
That's what I've been hearing and Pam act.
00:27:17
He's good at everything he does, so I'm excited for it.
00:27:21
Completely agree.
00:27:23
Ah, a couple last points here on this tight ends and then we'll jump over and running back.
00:27:27
I just feel like the range of outcomes with wrapped around house be so much more.
00:27:33
Ban Evan Engram.
00:27:34
Just because of the teeming plays on I don't put too much stock into him being on the wrong side of 30 just because, I mean, you know, like I do fully believe that he's energized and he's feeling the bus he's ever felt.
00:27:47
I believe that's 100% true again.
00:27:50
How long is that gonna happen? Maybe first game when he gets clocked, you know? But they're gonna run a lot of 12 personnel, so he's gonna be on the field quite a bit.
00:27:58
But he's not going to be the only tight end, you know, Red Zone.
00:28:03
I mean, there's Mike Evans there as well.
00:28:05
I think they eat into each other middle of the field.
00:28:08
If Chris Godwin going underneath the same as Gronk, I mean, it's not the theme is New England, where they had one guy who could run straight, five running backs who can run routes and then rob Gronkowski.
00:28:19
I was about, you know, and then Julian Edelman or Wes Welker, you know, doing their thing.
00:28:24
That's about it.
00:28:25
um, but I What I would predict is Rob Gronkowski finishes higher than Evan Ingram the season.
00:28:33
But I would much rather have Ingram.
00:28:35
I think he is higher ceiling.
00:28:37
I think he it's gonna be better in points per game.
00:28:42
I just I don't I think it's injuries, air flukey.
00:28:45
But I think there's gonna be something else happening.
00:28:47
I don't think he can hold up for whatever.
00:28:51
Let's put two running backs who are very, very similar in terms of fantasy.
00:28:57
For me this season, it's It's weird.
00:28:59
There's lady on Bell verses. Melvin Gordon.
00:29:01
Maybe I'm Bell second year with the Jets.
00:29:03
He is currently going as running back 16 overall, 28 overall.
00:29:09
He finished as running back 16 last season while missing one game.
00:29:14
Melvin Gordon went over to the Broncos This year I was running back 23 last year, obviously missed those four games because the holdout he's currently being drafted.
00:29:23
Running back 21 36 15.
00:29:28
1 Fancy points per game Last season.
00:29:31
Maybe Annabelle. 14.3.
00:29:33
Pretty pretty similar Boulder in a shared backfield.
00:29:39
Jaker on Melvin Gordon side.
00:29:41
Why do you like Melvin Gordon in Denver this season.
00:29:46
I honestly don't have, like, all too much to say about this matchup.
00:29:50
I don't necessarily.
00:29:52
I'm not gonna be gunning for either of these guys, but if I had to choose between the two, I'm gonna take Gordon.
00:29:57
Um, just because is ah, a little bit less of a risk, I think.
00:30:03
And I think that he wants to be with the team that he's playing for.
00:30:07
And that's key for me.
00:30:08
Lady on Bell.
00:30:10
I don't think he wants to be not only wants to play on the Jets, and if the Jets start one in five, I'm, like, not so sure that he wouldn't just be like I'm out like he's already lost.
00:30:20
He's already, You know, I had a problem with Adam's leaving.
00:30:25
He's said other things about the organization, and we've seen him hold out for an entire year before and do what he did to the Steelers after the Steelers.
00:30:34
You know, I guess you could say they did or did not treat him very well, but he was in a good position.
00:30:38
There he was, uh, he was liked by the fan base by the most.
00:30:42
For the most part, he was leading the entire league and stats.
00:30:46
And yet he decided, Teoh, you know, get out of town.
00:30:49
He ends up with the Jets.
00:30:51
I don't see why he wouldn't try and do the same thing to get out of the Jets.
00:30:54
That as far as as far as all the shenanigans aside, I think he's gonna be the number one option on the team is gonna have the ball in his hands a lot.
00:31:04
So he has a chance to produce.
00:31:05
Um, sure.
00:31:07
But I think mouthing Gordon in that hopefully explosive Denver offense is gonna be fun to watch.
00:31:13
Uh, remember Gordon's great when you can get the ball around it out around the outside.
00:31:21
I love watching him dio like sweet plays runs for your home pitches.
00:31:27
Thank you.
00:31:28
He ah, he excels when he gets to the outside, gets a little space.
00:31:31
I think Denver's offensive line is a little bit better than the Jets offensive line, and I think that they're going Teoh just bomb the ball a ton this year with the ah young quarterback with the big arm.
00:31:44
John Elway loves throwing the ball downfield.
00:31:46
He loves you love prominent.
00:31:48
So I think defense Is there going to be playing back a little bit, buying off expecting that? And Salvadorans been able to eat up either up the middle, swing to the outside, whatever.
00:31:58
But I think Gordon's set up for a pretty good year and he never really had a bad year.
00:32:02
Um, as a charger.
00:32:04
So that's all I got to say.
00:32:12
All right, I can jump in.
00:32:13
Uh, nothing, Gordon.
00:32:15
I'm excited to see what he does on Denver.
00:32:16
I think the number is actually really sneaky Team in the FC just in terms of, you know, win total making the playoffs, Uh, for all your betters out there may be looking at some of those odds and shopping around seeing what you might be able to find.
00:32:30
I think this is a bounce back here.
00:32:32
That defense is still good.
00:32:33
It's not what it waas when they wanted.
00:32:34
Super Bowl was still very good.
00:32:36
A good offensive line.
00:32:38
One of the I believe they were top 10 in run blocking efficiency, if not very close to it last year.
00:32:45
So Gordon coming over and being able to run behind that compared to the oft banged up kind of patch ordeal that was in, uh, that he acted the Chargers last year.
00:32:57
That should bode well for him.
00:32:58
My main concern for Melvin Gordon, from a fantasy standpoint, is filled ones.
00:33:02
He still gotta have a role in this offense, right? He's been to the not to roads.
00:33:06
Freeman's also there, and Drew Lock is still a question. Mark it quarterback.
00:33:11
So, um well, I think that the hated con much too far and I'm higher on him.
00:33:16
I think that a lot of people that seems like a to this point, I am excited to see what this passing offense can do.
00:33:22
It's not a proven thing.
00:33:24
Uh, the Jets passing offense also not a proven thing.
00:33:27
Uh, and we could say We want about Adam Cases play calling Theme the major problem for me.
00:33:34
And I think underlying in the statistics last year for the Jets was the atrocious offensive line play.
00:33:42
Uh, the 31st ranked offensive line in run blocking efficiency last year, uh, were the New York Jets.
00:33:50
The line has gotten a complete makeover here this offseason.
00:33:53
Mukai Beckton, Obviously the splashy move will be 11th overall pick in the draft, but free agent signings include condiment governed George fan Ah, Gregg Rotten.
00:34:03
And they also drafted camera Clark Who stuff of him coming out of Charlotte.
00:34:09
There is some late round potential value there, depending on how the offense of line situation shakes out for the Jets.
00:34:16
It's going to be tough, you know, we're hearing team chemistry and continuity from last year's such a big thing this season more than ever, without pre season with a ah modified training camp, UH, outlook.
00:34:30
So building that chemistry along the line, where chemistry is probably the most important on the field that that's something to watch for with the Jets.
00:34:41
But it can't be worse than last year.
00:34:42
Really, can it? Um, Levy a bell? He's He's the best talent in the offense, that most proven talent.
00:34:49
Um, as far as the shenanigans.
00:34:52
I'm not expecting to see it in the second year.
00:34:53
He did get paid.
00:34:54
We have to remember that, Um, unless the season really goes south and I guess we can start to worry.
00:35:01
And yes, Frank Gore came in? Yes, Adam Gates over used him in Miami.
00:35:06
Yes.
00:35:07
That is a concern I'm gonna lean towards.
00:35:09
He's more of a spell than getting in there as a vulture until I'm proven otherwise.
00:35:16
You know it's interesting and Gates and talked about how he overused lovey on earlier in last year.
00:35:21
And, of course, Donald was on the field for three games because of mono, all right, and he's looking to not overwork him early this year.
00:35:31
What kind of gonna be interested to see how it all plays out? I guess you know if we could have a full season of Diamond, a better improved offensive line play, some exciting young town out of receiver and men's Jamison Crowder coming back as well a couple of good tight ends there.
00:35:45
I've heard it can stay on the field with all his issues.
00:35:50
I don't know if it's gonna be quite as bad as a lot of people think.
00:35:53
This Jets offenses it, I should say, right off the top of the Jets fan, So I'm optimistic.
00:35:59
Yes, it's painful to be a Jets fan, but at the same time as I'm optimistic, it could also go horribly wrong and I could just be spewing nonsense right now.
00:36:08
But for me, I got to go with Love Yang because he has the more the more clear path, um, to being a workhorse running back, I guess for me this year, even if the offense is not as productive overall, is Denver's.
00:36:26
It's interesting to that.
00:36:27
You bring up that Adam Gates wants to back off on him a little bit in the first few weeks, opening weeks, I going off that I honestly could see both of these running backs may becoming like starting off a little bit slow, just coming in tow both of these offenses.
00:36:44
Getting getting work, getting reps.
00:36:47
We're not the full, uh, not full workload because again, as we mentioned already know preseason, Uh, if if Gates wants to back off a little bit and you know Vic Fangio might look to his guy Phillip Lindsay, a guy that started it, I already did it for him last year and then might just plug and play Melvin Gordon in those first couple weeks until they can find what's working for him.
00:37:10
Because again, you don't have the preseason to kind of know that, Um, so I think they both could start off a little bit slow, but I just think obviously you're locked.
00:37:19
Is is a big question mark.
00:37:21
He did look good last year, for the most part, but, um, Vic Fangio, a defensive guy.
00:37:28
So I think he might look to run the ball quite a bit, even know John Elway again loves that big arm quarterback.
00:37:34
Will, probably trying nudged him a little bit.
00:37:35
Throw the ball down the field.
00:37:37
But either way, however they get there.
00:37:38
I think the Broncos were set up to have a lead in games more often than the Jets are set up to have a leading games, and obviously they have a lead.
00:37:49
As the game goes on, you're gonna be running the ball more so Melvin Gordon might get more looks from that aspect as well.
00:37:55
So just something to keep in mind there.
00:37:59
Yeah, we're touching on the other element of offenses to improved offensive line played in the run game should also mean better passing protection for Donald, which the tests were also terrible at that.
00:38:10
I don't have the line last year, Um, and you bring in a couple of new targets here for Donald to play with, hopefully the passing game.
00:38:19
We'll see a little bit of an uptick as well, and I know both backs can get it done in the re the receiving game.
00:38:26
But I guess trailing games for me, that wouldn't be as much of a worry.
00:38:30
Um, in favor of backing Bell here because of his pro us in the passing game.
00:38:36
Um, Frank Gore is not really gonna be your past catching back.
00:38:39
And I know they drafted LaMichael p Ryan, too.
00:38:41
But he's looking at being the third guy, I guess right now on the depth chart.
00:38:45
So, um, even in a trail in a even in a losing spot, I think both still has a major role in the offense.
00:38:53
And the other thing, I guess I would just add from last year.
00:38:55
He had the high volume.
00:38:57
Um, but he was He was really the what? What else were defense is defending when they were playing the Jets.
00:39:04
You know, you're able to throw all these guys at him and just the fact that he was able to, um, do as well as he did, I think is commendable.
00:39:14
Yeah, he missed a game Zach mentioned off the top.
00:39:19
Uh, there should be more touchdowns.
00:39:20
I would think this year a little bit of a positive Russian just to the, uh, career standard there, assuming this offense does improve.
00:39:29
Uh, so just a couple more knows their toe support.
00:39:32
My, uh my God Levy on both of these running backs took it's this week with news that came out, which is interesting.
00:39:42
Melvin Gordon says he's still struggling to adjust to Denver's altitude, which I put almost double stock in.
00:39:49
But whatever, um, that's his ADP is going down foot.
00:39:54
I mean, he's had a really good games in Denver in his career, and he, you know, was one game.
00:39:58
I don't think you really adjusted for that one game.
00:40:01
Um, that's like I just literally reminds me of like, yesterday Dave Portnoy tweeted out that he was sick and pen stock went down.
00:40:11
I mean, that's the same thing is like hearing that he's not used to the altitude and his ADP starts to drop its like Dude, it's not.
00:40:17
That's not gonna left.
00:40:18
That's not something that should matter.
00:40:19
That's just it's just fun.
00:40:21
I mean, if he's dropping, grab that value.
00:40:23
I'll today I'll take out the two concerns for value any time.
00:40:27
Oh, any time.
00:40:28
Those are Those are very minimal concerns in my mind, especially when you know half a season you're not even there and buy your telling me by December you're not gonna be used to the altitude even.
00:40:39
But after you play, it's probably too, because if not, he hasn't played an actual game situation.
00:40:45
You know, like when you're just practicing training and stuff, you notice how much more tired you are for one year, you know, amped up, ready to go.
00:40:52
You got the adrenaline flowing in a game situation, but I'm not gonna notice it as much.
00:40:55
And then all of a sudden look here to three games in and you're totally back to normal.
00:41:01
We're also three weeks away, too.
00:41:02
So he's got time True? Yeah, he's gonna be fine.
00:41:06
And before I get into, like, a hit on, leave Ian Bell.
00:41:10
I just looked up.
00:41:11
The stats are percentage of his rushes against eight men in the box.
00:41:14
Just cause I thought that would be interesting.
00:41:17
Like you said, Jets passing a.
00:41:18
My season sucked even when Donald was back.
00:41:22
I mean, there's no weapons outside of James in crowded, but surprisingly, you only had 17.
00:41:29
About 17% of his rushes against eight men in the box, which isn't bad.
00:41:35
I mean, even Christian McCaffrey, a 24% Which is crazy.
00:41:40
Um, Derrick Henry let it with 34% which isn't surprising.
00:41:45
But 17%.
00:41:46
And that's probably going to drop would be my guest.
00:41:50
Um, Jets.
00:41:51
Offense of line, I think, is better than Denver's offensive line.
00:41:54
Even though it's relatively inexperienced in terms off.
00:41:58
You know, chemistry and being with each other, I don't think beckons very good.
00:42:03
Ah, the guy they just drafted.
00:42:04
He's touted as the best tack on the draft.
00:42:07
I don't think his techniques very good.
00:42:09
He's gonna think he's better and run blocking, obviously, but he's going to get Donald's head kicking off at least once a season.
00:42:17
Um, Donald doesn't like it.
00:42:19
I mean, it's not like you, you know, it's not like it's something complains that much.
00:42:23
You can tell he doesn't like it. Hit.
00:42:25
It wasn't hit a lot in college.
00:42:26
Not a guy that likes to get him.
00:42:28
I mean, I wouldn't have to get it either.
00:42:30
No, no.
00:42:31
Especially when you play.
00:42:32
Got the chats like you get up.
00:42:34
I got ****, you know.
00:42:36
Come on, Uh, at least I'm not hopping on this cowboys.
00:42:41
I'm staying true to my team.
00:42:43
Four years old, maybe bleeding green.
00:42:46
Would you cheer for before the Jets? I didn't watch football.
00:42:50
It's when I was four.
00:42:52
I was.
00:42:53
I was too young and naive to Oh, and since you were for I thought it was someone for Yeah, you got a Jets fan.
00:43:00
The story goes, my favorite color was green.
00:43:03
I guess it still is.
00:43:04
But you know that kind of waivers as you get older.
00:43:08
And I saw the Green Team playing on TV because being in upstate New York, we get those games and they played the pills twice years.
00:43:13
I'm sure that's how it happened.
00:43:15
And I was like, Yeah, that's my favorite team And I cried that year.
00:43:19
They I think they went to the divisional round against the Steelers and lost.
00:43:23
I cried, and my dad, a lifelong Giants fan, is just glad that I saw the Jets before the Eagles.
00:43:31
Yeah, you gotta You gotta be a friend of somebody.
00:43:33
That's not that's not the Giants.
00:43:36
At least it's not the right, Exactly.
00:43:41
I could be the charge a quick my computer always knows this whenever we stream my head like 60% like 30 minutes ago, announced on a 9% go for talk about these two.
00:43:51
Henry, you were talking about how you don't think Frank or is going to take anything away.
00:43:56
And this week they actually came out and said the exact opposite.
00:43:58
They really want to take down bells, carries in favor of Gore.
00:44:02
And at the same time, cores like, by the way, 37 years old said he could have had 1000 rushing yards last season if that gave him the ball, more guys were over.
00:44:11
He is 37.
00:44:13
I fully believe he could have led the league last year in rushing yards that they just gave the ball.
00:44:17
I feel like his retirement is just gonna be him hopping into a spaceship that comes out of his back and he just leaves Earth and he's like, I'm done with football.
00:44:26
It is incredible.
00:44:29
He's so good.
00:44:31
He's not obviously not what he once was.
00:44:33
He's gonna get touches.
00:44:34
I think there's a legitimate chance he gets 10 carries per game in this offense.
00:44:39
But here's the debate, though, so frank or he's gonna get touches.
00:44:43
You know, Phil plans he's gonna get touches in Denver.
00:44:45
Which, Which player? Which backup player? Do you think it's more touches per game between Phillip Lindsay and Frank Gore? Well, if I'm the coach, it's Lindsay.
00:44:56
I mean, you got a young guy there who has produced his first two years in the league.
00:45:02
Um, why wouldn't you wanna have him in almost for me? It could be almost an identical split with him and Gordon.
00:45:11
Honestly, I would not be surprised.
00:45:13
Ah, Granite.
00:45:15
The contract, I guess regarding Denver doesn't have a whole lot tied up.
00:45:18
And then he definitely did not get what he was hoping for in free agency.
00:45:23
Um, you know, I would feed Lindsay the rock more than gore.
00:45:29
The big concern for me, Um, I think from the Jets and Frank Gore standpoint, is we saw Adam gays just fall in love with him, but Miami And granted, there was not a love Ian Bell in Miami.
00:45:43
But there was a Kenyan Drake, and you know, I'm not gonna dive into opinions on Drake now.
00:45:49
I think there are different ones out there, but I would say that I'm gonna put Bell a notch above him, I think on also Gore being a few years older now.
00:46:00
So I guess this is out of Gates is one chance.
00:46:04
Like he can prove me.
00:46:05
Ah, that to me that he is truly incompetent and, uh oh, suffer the consequences is a fan and for keeping up for for Bell in this ADP them? Yeah.
00:46:20
Both Lindsay and Gore.
00:46:22
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