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00:00:00
last time for me and came.
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It was like a minute a regal Eric. Okay.
00:00:04
Yeah.
00:00:05
What's up, guys? Welcome to Monday's lead.
00:00:06
We are kind of checking in on day one of the place we're in the middle of the second half game.
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Nothing like to talk about their.
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So we kind of figured we jump on and ah, kind of talk about what they once been like so far.
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So, uh, the first game was at least really fun.
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Did you guys both get to catch that? Yep.
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Most of it.
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Yeah.
00:00:26
Uh, basically into the boiling them to Donovan Mitchell vs Jamal Murray with.
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I mean, I didn't expect.
00:00:33
Like, whenever they said he was out right after we recorded the podcast yesterday, I was a little bit more nervous, like we were all pretty on the Nuggets side yesterday, and I don't think that's gonna change.
00:00:43
But I didn't think that they somehow played better without him.
00:00:46
And Mitchell was just on another level.
00:00:48
So what did you take away from that camp? Uh, yeah, I think I think it's what we've said the whole time.
00:00:56
Like Utah's get a struggle in late game situations that they're having to create offense.
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And they did other than Mitchell, who had almost 60 like they really had a tough time getting the ball, even inside the three point line.
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For the most part, like they were, they were really struggling.
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And I mean, they didn't choke because I guess they weren't up, but kind of like you lost by 10 in overtime like that.
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Substantial, um, prayers to my boy keys for the pick that he made.
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But we'll let that would slash.
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Yeah, Eric, you basically do you agree with that? Are these like I mean, I don't know what else we can really take from because it's one game, and for the majority of the time, it was the Donovan Mitchell show, at least in the second half.
00:01:46
What's the problem is that he just cannot like he needs help and that help isn't there because of down of its not being there.
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And Conley's now, um, he was attending a surprised childbirth because I thought I knew everybody that was gonna leave for that Dennett shooter Gordon Hayward.
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I didn't realize Mike Conley was on that list.
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I think he saw it coming.
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I just don't know if we know he's not coming, but like me, usually it's like, Oh, they're expecting to, you know, play without him at some point.
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So to do that right at the start of the playoffs, that doesn't help.
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So, yeah, it's just if he's gonna drop 57 they lose, I mean, that's just you need more, I think, really go bare.
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I was pretty non existent.
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I think throughout that game he had a couple of good defensive stops, but then the other, it was like two ends of the spectrum.
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With that, he he went from having a good stop on the end of regulation, too completely getting blown by Nokia choose, you know, notoriously slow.
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So if you bite on a pump fake and he's still able to get by you, that's a little concerning when it's kind of 50 50.
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So, but I still I'm taking the Nuggets in a sweep.
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It was entertaining, no question about it.
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But I just don't think did you as have enough to compete and out of a Mitchell acting like Bradley Beal out Washington this season with, he's gonna drop career highs and still lose like the polls.
00:03:02
It's It's just it's too bad. It really is.
00:03:06
Yeah, it was at one point.
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It was just like no one else on the team could do anything.
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Um, I don't know.
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It was I saw some people kind of saying this on Twitter during the game, and I've been a little bit like, Not vocally, but, like I've never had quietly, never loved Donovan Mitchell, and I think it's just because my Pistons passed on him.
00:03:26
But, um, and it like that hurts because we have Luke Kennard knew what want **** later, but like if he's going to do that, I don't know if it's necessary just because, like you said, they don't like if he's gonna put up 57 they lose that, I don't that says more about him or the team now, because a lot of the times, it's just him, like driving it down, not really looking for them.
00:03:45
Hey, kind of has, like the Russell Westbrook like assist numbers where the number looks OK, but it's like he's forcing it just whenever he wants to, not whenever it actually goes in the flow of the offense.
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So it's, I think, that team needs something else.
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He shot up 60% from the field, so it's all he was bad or inefficient or anything like that.
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It was just It was not like you were watching a modern offense, and if he's the one running, it was, I don't know if, like so I don't know what it is.
00:04:10
I don't know if it's just the pieces that are there or what, but it was very much the Donovan Donovan Mitchell offense, as opposed to like the Utah Jazz offense. If that.
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If I'm communicating that well, so I guess it is interesting.
00:04:23
And this is one positive for Utah.
00:04:26
They basically played Michael Porter Jr off the court.
00:04:29
Um, his defense was so bad, they like he's been very good in the bubble, but they made him look like a rookie today.
00:04:35
So, um, I don't know that says going forward, because obviously he's been able to adapt in the bubble.
00:04:42
Um, if he can, that's that's pretty important because he's probably the third most important player.
00:04:47
I like multi month name or stepped up today.
00:04:51
Is it Monta or Monty a dependent with commentator? I hear differently, but it sounds.
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Yeah, he was actually really good today.
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Some big threes, some smart play making.
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But like, if this team, anything I agree with you that they're gonna get past the jazz, that's not what I'm worried about.
00:05:06
But if they're gonna do anything in the next round, I think quarter has to be able to stay on the court.
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And that just wasn't going to be the case today.
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Well, the question could Gary Harris.
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You know Katherine, He's a big part of their offense.
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And him and will Barton.
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I don't Wilburn.
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Did he play today? No, no, no.
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Neither are cleared yet.
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I looked yesterday and it still kept saying like day today, But there's no actual update whenever I looked yesterday.
00:05:31
So because the whole trouble, right, like there it's that mysterious Tyus Jones thing where, like, they were fined prior but otherwise have not shown that they can be cleared to play on the court.
00:05:46
I mean, that's just kind of concerning for if you look past this round, which I don't like doing because the Jazz did play well today and I did pick them into sweet the Nuggets, but they're not gonna be able to beat the Clippers per se if if they don't have every single part of their roster, let alone just compete with the Clippers.
00:06:04
Um, and you know the Mavericks get by and that's still a tough matchup, even if they did play 73 So I don't know.
00:06:12
Well, we'll see how it goes because you know, he carry Harris was essentially healthy all season, so this is very, very strange for that to happen after five months of basically nothing, So I don't know.
00:06:25
Yeah, I don't know what happened to him.
00:06:27
He kind of fell off the face of the Earth last year, and he I'm not saying he's vital, but like tea, he didn't step back this year, but he's still part of their contributions.
00:06:37
And come playoff time, anytime you can get a good 10 or 15 minutes out of somebody like that's vital.
00:06:42
Oh, any any playoff success so, But again, Martin was a starter 58 game starter, 15 points, again, having his probably his best season of his career.
00:06:52
Outside of two seasons ago, he had a pretty decent as I'm looking at it, um, stat line overall, but he's still a part of their team.
00:07:00
Still a big part of what they do.
00:07:01
And it has a lot of Michael Porter journey to probably play extended minutes because prior we only used to seeing him.
00:07:07
What, 2020 a game? 25? Yeah, yeah, something like that.
00:07:11
So that's probably the main reason.
00:07:14
Yeah, both of those guys were regular contributors up to the hiatus, so I hope that they returned because again, you hate to see teams compete not at full strength, because you really don't know what their potential is.
00:07:25
So But I don't We'll see.
00:07:28
Yeah, and then So the game.
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Now it's actually down to 17 points.
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So there's that.
00:07:34
Yeah, it's but I mean, this is what we expected because, like people I know, a lot of people get excited whenever they took it to Portland and, like, that's fun and all.
00:07:43
But like and we talked about this yesterday, the part playing against Portland and playing against Toronto's two very different things and it was cooled.
00:07:50
Portland's like one of the themes it was trying the hardest.
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That didn't mean they were the best teams.
00:07:54
And whenever you're playing against the defense like this, Toronto team.
00:07:58
It's just it's That's the big It's the issue to me, like Brooklyn's been one of best offenses in the restart really have 61 points right now.
00:08:07
There's eight minutes left in the third quarter like they've been.
00:08:10
Oh, I think they've been averaging like 1 19 so they're definitely beyond like not doing what they've been doing the whole time.
00:08:16
And that's because everyone in this to run it It's like Milwaukee, not to the same extent in the regular season.
00:08:21
But every one of Mr one of defense is at least solid.
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So it and like Kyle Lowry leads league and taking charges and stuff like that like they just caused so many issues for this team.
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Yeah, you could roll your eyes.
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I know you don't like how are a I really don't have these Very annoying.
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He's He's like a poor man's Marcus smart when it comes to that flop crap.
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Just hey, you know.
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But if it works, that's tell you in games, man, okay, and I so first on Ilyasova is on that you guys were pretty aware that he does the same thing.
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However, I think he's very like he's very genuine with it.
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Like he's actually courses.
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He doesn't flop.
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Top is, you know, he doesn't When he takes, he takes contact.
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It's not in a flat manner. I'm sorry.
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And I'm not being biased. It's just what I see.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Year glasses are green and purple.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know.
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I know what you're saying.
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I mean, calorie, definitely, like a lot of the superstars that tend to leave any time like a bigger name player, it seems like, does end up leading the league and something like that, Like Blake was early on it, But the beginning of like, the first two months whenever Blake, a nurse on used charges to and a lot of it was like he would take contact.
00:09:34
But then it was he knew how to embellish it in the right way to get the call, which I mean, that is a skill.
00:09:41
But it's also it's very frustrating when you're on the other side of it.
00:09:44
Um, but yeah, So I mean, I don't think there's really my first to talk about what this game, because, I mean, the nets are just kind of I mean, they are what they are.
00:09:53
I think it's kind of crazy and we like like like I keep saying we talked about it yesterday, but what they've done the bubble's pretty impressive for a team that we thought maybe they beat the Wizards game and that was it.
00:10:02
Um, they've been really competitive, but I think that kind of ends pretty quickly.
00:10:08
I think I think I see somebody from the site pick them to lose the one game because they never win game ones.
00:10:15
I think I think it was pretty split 1 50 50 between a sweeping a gentleman sweep.
00:10:22
I had gentlemen sleep for that reason.
00:10:24
I just last year with Orlando losing Game one, they did it every seat, every Siri's.
00:10:30
So I just like, you know what? We'll throw Brooklyn a game and maybe they'll win a game.
00:10:34
You know? It is a Siri's.
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It is.
00:10:36
You do hit 00 every time we start over, so they're gonna make adjustments.
00:10:41
Are they gonna work? Probably not, You know, maybe they get maybe they steal one, but otherwise this is, I think, out of every matchup, this is probably the outside of the box and magic.
00:10:51
Probably the most lopsided for his talent goes top to bottom.
00:10:54
Now, on a regular Brooklyn day where we do have Kevin Durant, we do have careering.
00:10:57
That's another discussion for next season.
00:10:59
But, um, I think that's what all of a sudden that you know, they it's almost like they tabled that that was the whole thing or another.
00:11:05
This season doesn't matter, then, when they're playing pretty decent bowler like Let's go, let's go.
00:11:09
I don't know tryingto save John Bond's job or what? But they're playing with this kind of crazy, considering where they've been all year.
00:11:19
Yeah, it's it's been I respect him for it because there are guys like Jared Allen who you know their potential playing for their minutes next year.
00:11:28
Um, will you go back in? DeAndre Jordan's back in the full.
00:11:32
Katie takes up Caris Levert's minutes.
00:11:35
Um, not all of them.
00:11:36
But you know some of them where he's not gonna play regular.
00:11:38
It's almost like you go back to Boston.
00:11:40
A few years ago in Courtenay, Word and Kyrie Irving weren't there.
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That's the that allowed Terriers Year and Jayson Tatum to play more.
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And now Terry goes years gone and Jayson Tatum is emerging as as an All Star.
00:11:53
So that, I mean, you do look at that, uh, sort of discrepancy between what? What happens now on what could happen next season for there their rotation Because we really don't know what that will look like.
00:12:05
They do make a big trade.
00:12:06
Let's say go south like Spencer didn't ready.
00:12:09
They might get rid of.
00:12:10
Who knows? It's just a lot of a lot of things going on there with coaching you mentioned.
00:12:16
So they have the probably most question mice.
00:12:20
I hate the fact that Jared Allen is just this expendable piece, decent team.
00:12:25
I hate that because it's like, Why? Why should DeAndre Jordan get any minutes next year? He's a statue on defense Now.
00:12:33
Jared Allen is what DeAndre Jordan was five years ago.
00:12:37
That they did the same player.
00:12:38
It's just your Allen is maybe a little less athletic, maybe, and I don't even know, like I don't know.
00:12:46
I would rather have the guy who's 23 doing the same thing that the guy who's 32 is losing a step, you know, like I I've never understood why, out of all the guys on their team like he's been the one guy that's like, Yeah, yeah, it's not even that They just like e like I understood, like I don't agree with it, But I understood why they paid DeAndre.
00:13:08
Jordan come like that was like the price to pay to get the two stars to come.
00:13:11
But the fact that he's also just playing over the young guys, what's confusing like? I don't care if he's on the team.
00:13:17
I care when he starts playing over him, and that's kind of my foot.
00:13:20
And Alan still had the slight edge in minutes.
00:13:23
But if you're setting minutes, it's still not good.
00:13:26
Yeah, I'm saying I think that it should like it shouldn't be split. It should.
00:13:30
It should be.
00:13:31
He should be the clear back up the Jared Allen, right? Like even go 35 15.
00:13:36
However, that interchanges you know, there's gonna be some overlap put.
00:13:40
I'm gonna look this up quick because I want to say I look it up.
00:13:43
But it was 25 27.
00:13:45
Okay? Never.
00:13:48
And maybe it's just because way I mean, we all agree we, like, dried out and more every time I would watch them.
00:13:55
It would feel like it was just very.
00:13:57
He's very mobile when it comes to being down loan and that lateral ability agility rather, um, is pretty rare for people have size because you see, Go Bare struggled to do that today against a really slow Yokich.
00:14:12
It's just one prime example.
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He's considered one of the better defense defenders.
00:14:16
Okay, him away.
00:14:20
I'll take him, him in towns together.
00:14:22
That's, uh, don't know what towns it before.
00:14:27
You need somebody to defend the Raymond, Minnesota.
00:14:29
This town.
00:14:33
Hey, there were there were some flashes like you'd like to tear this year.
00:14:38
I think he's capable.
00:14:39
I just don't know, you know, because wasn't he touted as a defender? It Kentucky? I feel like and they tell us a lot.
00:14:48
You're right, but I mean, like, usually, like whenever it's a top prospect, they when people are trying to like pointing to discredit before they'll find it.
00:14:55
And I actually think that they were trying to say that with a strength for him coming out.
00:15:00
We'll even Willie Cauley.
00:15:01
Stein was part of that group and yeah, he was really, really good and he's pretty much out of the league in the next two seasons.
00:15:09
I think, Yeah, I want to lose toe toe my alma mater in the n i t tournament, so I'm never to think too much of that from Mauritz, baby.
00:15:20
So it's 26 22 for minutes.
00:15:24
Okay.
00:15:25
Still, that's too too close of a split to me.
00:15:28
Um, yeah, because when you have, um, And if there's health issues, I get it.
00:15:34
But there really wasn't ah, this year because DeAndre Jordan played pretty much never game and tear it.
00:15:41
Alan was the starter, but, you know, it doesn't matter if he's not gonna good starters minutes, like, I think that's that's a huge thing to point to.
00:15:50
And, yeah, he didn't have any health ailments either, So you can't really take a step forward.
00:15:55
Um, and I think because he did take that big step forward from year one to your to last year.
00:16:02
Um, so who knows? If he developed the three point shot now, then that would get further for Brooklyn.
00:16:11
Yeah.
00:16:12
Yeah.
00:16:13
It seems like everybody for them just okay, you can You could run a pick and pop with him and Durant.
00:16:18
And that's I mean, you're not stopping that or even him And Kyrie.
00:16:22
I mean, here it's just you're not No one's stopping that if you could shoot like that.
00:16:25
So take me.
00:16:28
Yeah, it feels like everyone's just kind of everyone for this team.
00:16:32
Just feel like they're auditioning, whether it's to be with the team next year or there's a trade piece this summer because, like they have pieces, it's really it's really interesting.
00:16:41
I'll say that Ah, TLC is not guaranteed for next year.
00:16:45
And if they if they let go of him, that somebody, that I love him and he's been really fun, I don't think he's what he's looked like in the bubble.
00:16:54
Obviously, I think that right now it's kind of like he has a huge of much more bit, much greater opportunity, and he would usually get.
00:16:59
But there's something there.
00:17:01
He's a fun player, and I feel like you can cut almost two million by waving him.
00:17:06
I I could see that being something they doing over there looking to kind of fill out this roster.
00:17:11
Um, I wish Michael Beasley would have had a chance with that.
00:17:15
Yeah, because I think you know he It's said that he can't find a home.
00:17:21
I just I love him in Milwaukee, and I I understood why he left to get more money with the Knicks.
00:17:26
But even then, he was still played.
00:17:28
Really well. I don't know why.
00:17:29
There's no place for him.
00:17:30
Um, uh, I guess Solidified place where he can sit there for more than a season and a half or two seasons because he's the definition of a journeyman.
00:17:39
Nobody teams.
00:17:40
Is he on now? If you consider Brooklyn, which he signed with, that's that's got to be up there towards eight, maybe 19.
00:17:47
I was going to say it off the top.
00:17:49
It's a lot because Lakers Rockets were all part of it.
00:17:52
It's a very short tenure.
00:17:54
Next bucks, You know the Timberwolves, right? Yeah.
00:17:59
Yeah, it was He was.
00:18:01
He was on the summer league team for us last year.
00:18:03
We cut him for Christian would.
00:18:05
Michael Beasley was your summer league team? Yeah.
00:18:08
I never appeared in a game.
00:18:09
Not some early whatever.
00:18:10
In between summer league in preseason, they signed him in like, uh Ok, thank you.
00:18:15
Really? Yeah, really.
00:18:17
How do you remember this? Because he never appeared.
00:18:19
It was They caught him, like, two weeks later.
00:18:22
Whatever they got, Christian would Ah, yeah, Well, I, um well, you know that.
00:18:28
But it further defines and confirmed excited.
00:18:32
He's he fun.
00:18:33
He's very fun.
00:18:34
And he's a really good, really cool guy.
00:18:36
Have you ever see him When they do there social media stuff, He's really down to earth guy, and there's really no negatives.
00:18:43
So hopefully finds a spot.
00:18:45
I really you know, when I saw that is a perfect fit for me seeing this Brooklyn team.
00:18:51
Everybody's auditioning for that.
00:18:53
Um, Jamal Crawford included.
00:18:54
So we'll see.
00:18:55
But, um but to be honest, that's maybe maybe yeah, maybe he'll be their coats head coz you never know.
00:19:05
It can't be worse than Jason Kidd.
00:19:08
How Will see, See? But Tyler Johnson's another one, too.
00:19:13
Yeah, I think is not necessarily auditioning.
00:19:17
Simply tried to sign him four years ago.
00:19:20
Um, but I mean again, this is if it goes well, they're probably gonna retain most of those guys if they can, you know, if they're gonna get a pay raise somewhere else, lose him.
00:19:28
But, um, a bunch of those guys are pretty much expired.
00:19:33
Wilson Chandler.
00:19:34
He's a free agent, and he's not even there.
00:19:36
So I doubt that he's back there next year.
00:19:39
He really that's a disappointing thing.
00:19:41
Because I thought he was gonna find a place there, too.
00:19:43
And the suspension, he just really never played.
00:19:48
It sucks.
00:19:50
Yeah, he's kind of guy that I like.
00:19:51
I like, I like I like them on the next level almost 10 years ago.
00:19:55
Just get something.
00:19:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was part of Carmelo Trade.
00:19:58
So Yeah, it's so is the Allen. Ari.
00:20:01
That's wow.
00:20:02
That trade.
00:20:03
Looking back is actually kind of crazy because a bunch of guys that like or odds and ends that ended up actually liking.
00:20:08
That's why that Denver came on 57 games the next year because it was enough arguments.
00:20:12
The wind they couldn't win in New York.
00:20:14
But the other nicks just like toe watch everything.
00:20:19
So they sap the life out of it, man, do the West's Phoenix.
00:20:26
Yeah, yeah, um, the East phoenix Or however that works.
00:20:29
I followed you.
00:20:32
So what you guys looking forward to tonight? Boston, Philly? It's I said.
00:20:38
Well, yeah, I am.
00:20:40
I mean, that's yeah, I'm pretty excited that that's gonna be a good Siri's.
00:20:45
I think I was washing Tatum.
00:20:47
He's one of my favorite players.
00:20:49
My friend, actually, uh, is a is a hybrid fan because he loved Carmelo Anthony.
00:20:54
So he was a Knicks fan.
00:20:55
He's also a Bulls fan, and he's a Celtics fan.
00:20:58
Interesting, all the same time.
00:21:01
And yeah, people are weird.
00:21:03
That's what I tell him.
00:21:04
I'm like, Dude, you have to pick one.
00:21:06
So he went with the Celtics.
00:21:08
Uh, and he I bought a Jayson Tatum jersey because we both love watching him play.
00:21:12
We watched him every time to Celtics around.
00:21:14
So yeah, I'll just say I do that like Jason Tatum.
00:21:21
I get it. I give it.
00:21:23
I just think him of the blocks don't get along for whatever reason, it all it goes all the way back to their first playoff series like him and yacht has got tangled up.
00:21:32
He gets up first, and he just blatantly steps on the honest, his shoulder like pretty aggressively.
00:21:37
And I was like, All right, dude, you can like stuff off.
00:21:39
There's no need to do that, especially one and then there's just No, I've just never been a Jayson Tatum fan.
00:21:48
Never have been.
00:21:49
That's also why I don't like Ben Simmons.
00:21:52
The average oil indeed, because they tried to beat up my boy.
00:21:56
So you know, and they also talk way too much.
00:21:59
Yeah, that's you know that's it.
00:22:01
That's a big part of it.
00:22:03
Like they hadn't played any combined minutes.
00:22:07
Couple seasons pack When you know Ben Simmons that missed two full seasons, right? I think if you missed two and seven.
00:22:13
Smith similarly missed one right when he came in and won rookie of the year, so But either way, those guys were always talking everything.
00:22:21
They hadn't stepped on the court yet, and there is still the no results.
00:22:26
So but the sixties, when the Sixers win tonight and set the tone, Al Horford is gonna be the huge key to that.
00:22:33
Um, everyone's gonna be alarmed about the Celtics, and I love it.
00:22:38
I love knocking one of those teams out in the first round.
00:22:41
That happened every season.
00:22:42
I would be so satisfied like I would love it.
00:22:46
I think you meant to say when Dwelling Beat has 40 and 20 tonight and sets the tone, but an Al Horford shuts down, you know, remember? Yeah, I like I don't like I don't know if I because we and we talked again.
00:22:57
I we talked yesterday, and B is gonna be insane in the Siri's man.
00:23:02
Like, I guess I have never been a true believer in Paice.
00:23:05
I know he's solid, but, I mean, he just has to love seeing that across the court from him and be like, Well, this this is my Siri's.
00:23:12
I hope he reacts that way because that's the only way they have a chance to win the game.
00:23:16
You might not, but that's what's been weird about the scene the entire time is that you never know mentality wise what you're gonna get from them for how stack they were.
00:23:27
Oh, sorry.
00:23:28
What? I understand, Embiid.
00:23:34
Well oh, 1st 18 like that have, like, a lot beautiful.
00:23:47
Noticeable. That was clean.
00:23:49
A little Cory was that shopping for you? I got some of it.
00:23:53
Yeah, I was a little bit choppy.
00:23:55
Um, but like yes, somewhere here, most of it I just tryingto Yeah.
00:24:02
I mean, so I think if I say something you said exactly I don't mean to repeat you, but it is all about effort level and, like the Pentagon, if he wants to come out, come out and be when he's on.
00:24:12
And this.
00:24:13
I don't think this is controversial, but whenever he's playing, it is absolute peak.
00:24:16
He has the potential to be a top five player in the league, just on pure talent.
00:24:19
That happens like once every 20 games.
00:24:21
So it's That's what's frustrating.
00:24:25
I can't remember if we debated here or the part of whatever, but like whenever they people talk about which one of them, you would trade as much.
00:24:32
I personally actually like both of them, but I don't think that someone's gonna come out and give like a one effort once every 20 games, and that's the big difference to May get you.
00:24:44
But he, at least you know, tries doing everything else.
00:24:48
I think I think the I said like it's beautiful, that ball now here's a question.
00:25:01
If they do well, let's say they want this Siri's do they trade Benson? Um, I think if they win the series, they probably stand pat.
00:25:08
Honestly, I think change is only come if they lose in the first round, right, But him not being there is still Yeah, I I get what you're saying.
00:25:22
Yeah, The same thing with the coaching steps situation.
00:25:26
Everybody thinks that backgrounds gonna get fired for a couple of seasons.
00:25:30
Now they've they thought he would be can.
00:25:32
So what's their threshold today? You know, keep dealing with it because, I mean, there's only so many coaches that last more than five years.
00:25:41
And if they do, their legendary coach is most of the time Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra.
00:25:48
And it is probably more than 10 years.
00:25:50
Honestly, five years is because you still have, like, Alvin Gentry, that that was there for five years, right? I think, you know, I think five or six 10.
00:25:59
So then he didn't really complicated.
00:26:01
So I guess I should say, like as a minimum of seven or eight, they give you their for seven or eight years.
00:26:06
You're there for the long haul, and Red Brown has started from that literally bottom.
00:26:10
Thanks, Drake Teoh.
00:26:12
You know, as far as you want to go with Philly, but one playoff series win and I like to think he's gone, but at the same time, it's just it's It's frustrating cause for me.
00:26:25
I hate seeing teams not at full strength, as I mentioned time and time again.
00:26:28
So I guess we'll see.
00:26:30
But I do get the feeling that he's going to take any sort of blame.
00:26:34
And that's gonna be That's gonna be it.
00:26:38
Yeah.
00:26:39
I looked away for a second to Toronto games. A nine point game.
00:26:44
Not that I think that means anything.
00:26:46
But like when we got on, it was almost 30.
00:26:47
So it was like, 71 to 41? Yeah.
00:26:50
Yeah, it's 89 79 with 2 56 left in the third.
00:26:56
Um, but yeah.
00:26:58
I mean, it's like a 42.
00:27:01
It's it's seen runners.
00:27:02
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:27:03
Um, yeah, I think you're right.
00:27:05
Like, and then you see this too much.
00:27:07
And like, if Alvin Gentry had gotten fired at the end of last year because this is the most recent example.
00:27:12
If he had gotten fired at the end of last year, I don't think anyone would have thought anything, cause it's like, yeah, they were disappointing in the Anthony Davis years. Cool. CIA.
00:27:18
But since you brought him back and you mean when you find now It's like Wait, why did they change? Like you're rushing expectations too much.
00:27:25
It's like sometimes if the coach is right to be fired, Yeah, I mean, they just are like, and then I get the point Brown suffered through the process years and whatever.
00:27:34
But like, it's like Mark Jackson, though.
00:27:36
Yeah, sometimes you just know that we're gonna compare the warriors to the sixties right now, But, uh, you know, I'm saying, Hey, if there's a Draymond green on that bench, I don't know who it is, but, like maybe great hungry.
00:27:47
Oh, yeah, Whatever happened, you know what you just said? They'll make sense. I agree.
00:27:53
It's gonna be I think they trade Ben Simmons.
00:27:56
If they win this first round, it really do.
00:27:57
And it's going to shock people.
00:28:00
I mean, why wouldn't it shocked people? But I think it makes sense to change it up because, like I said, as much as I like both of them, I think I don't think that they fit well together.
00:28:10
And I think you're just making work because there's a lot of and I know you didn't hit the water and get on beat it one.
00:28:16
But those are the theoretical lotteries that you hit with topics that you took a swing on And say what you feel about that we give the Jabari.
00:28:23
Yeah, what you will you found to all the n b a players in tanking.
00:28:26
So, um, but that was assuming they fit together and you can try to force it and try to say that that's what works.
00:28:33
Or, I mean, if you had a competent GM, you would smartly flip one and re fill out your roster so you don't have to play Glenn Robinson and meaningful minutes, But no.
00:28:45
Yeah, those were their deadline deals.
00:28:46
I think him and Alec works is a lot better than Glenn Robinson from a contribution standpoint, but, um, yeah, like Berkson Josh Richardson were the ones that took over one of the later mobile games and that just as a test, how deep they can be and their potential is there, it might have been against Portland For what it's worth, Uh, Richardson, like 26.
00:29:12
It was him against Lillard pretty much that whole fourth quarter.
00:29:15
Alec Parks was a big part of that too, So, yeah, I mean, only time will tell I do think you set the tone and went tonight donned.
00:29:24
Surprise, everybody.
00:29:25
I think that Simmons trade things like, if you want to go back to that produced a second, uh, it I think it depends on the taste left in their mouth after they lose.
00:29:37
Like if they lose, if they win the title.
00:29:39
Obviously, I mean depends.
00:29:41
I guess we'll have a lot of other things to talk about, right? We'll have to make some apologies and correct some stuff.
00:29:48
But, uh, like I just think if they so, if they win against Boston and then you know, they lose because of something that they could have used for Ben. Senators like it.
00:29:58
I think it really depends on on a lot of different things in their next match up.
00:30:03
I would say if they do win, well, they went and they played Toronto again.
00:30:09
So Well, unless Brooklyn deal, they're coming back here.
00:30:13
You might force you could speak better.
00:30:18
This aircraft, you're the one that, actually what would probably have watches, but I mean, I don't know how much I really dug into the matchup, but like when they played Milwaukee, it's Simmons that guards Ah, you honest right primarily? Or is it Horford? Yeah.
00:30:33
Um, see, it was a mixed bag because the sixties were really dominant that Christmas Day game.
00:30:38
And otherwise it was There were blowouts, OK, but I think it was Simmons and a little bit of combination of Richardson and Tobias Harris.
00:30:50
Um, but Al Horford was when he was on the Celtics, he was part of that wall.
00:30:55
You have Game One where they won pretty ****ly last season.
00:30:59
So I think if they were to meet up, that would probably be their game plan is to, well, offi honest.
00:31:05
That's that's the game plan.
00:31:06
But the anger is probably Orford with Embiid back there at the rim.
00:31:11
And, um, see, I have to go back and watch because I'm guessing it was Simmons for the majority of it.
00:31:20
But I do think that they Horford was thrown at him at some point, and Richard said a little bit, even though he's undersized.
00:31:28
But I'm just trying to think of which one like they have to plant up that this is the only reason why you would keep somebody but like you have to try to plan out which one is more impactful in the matchups that you face in your conference, because that's who they're gonna be trying to be.
00:31:40
I know you don't want to like a Houston only be built to beat the Warriors and then still fail to do so.
00:31:44
But, like that's still something like that's That's your court matchup.
00:31:47
You have to think about.
00:31:48
And I obviously worked.
00:31:51
We've talked in B.
00:31:52
It's more important in this Boston matchup just because they, like, refused to have a able bodied center that can guard him.
00:31:58
But if Simmons is more important, the other matchups in the conference, that's where you start getting into the complicated stuff, Um, and the reason why I asked this earlier.
00:32:07
And Eric, you laughed earlier when I said What game we're looking forward to tonight when I when I was listening to the wonderful commentary of Ah, Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy, all they were talking about with Luca and I, I like I love Luca.
00:32:21
Obviously, I don't think that game is gonna be I just don't think they can keep it close.
00:32:25
Maybe I'm crazy, but now he's gonna deport thing is to do something which he has rights.
00:32:31
I think even if they both have 30 they still probably lose pretty handily.
00:32:35
Yeah, there's nobody to stop, but you're gonna put Tim Hardaway Jr on one of those two.
00:32:39
There's no going to Dio and it's gonna be on God.
00:32:45
You can't put Luca on either one because he's not.
00:32:49
Do you have a good defensive player on this team right now? I know that Utilized White.
00:32:55
Callie's not there with his Achilles injury.
00:32:57
Yeah, you utilised him for some specific matchups.
00:33:03
That's not that.
00:33:04
Doesn't matter because he's gone.
00:33:05
Yeah, that's what I mean, Like, I mean, and and they're like a historically great offense.
00:33:08
Like, I think I figure what stat it was.
00:33:10
But, like of all time, they're like Number one, I think, was in offensive efficiency.
00:33:13
Are offensive rating or something like that, or but, like they also they think, was 155 points per 100 possessions or something like that.
00:33:21
But they also lead up like over 140.
00:33:23
So, like if you're not scoring at that level of efficiency, which you're probably not against this Clippers defense, then things start to get really complicated.
00:33:32
It'll be fun to watch Luke in the playoffs because we haven't seen it yet.
00:33:35
But through I'm just hoping one match up where? Other than the books, well, the one West matchup.
00:33:42
I shouldn't say that was everybody picked Clippers 36 of us, which I'm impressed by the way that we had 36 people submit.
00:33:49
Like that's That's actually really let's turn out.
00:33:52
Um, because I would say compared a couple years ago, that last year, probably 20 years less, 15 20.
00:34:00
So when they posted the sheet that as a cheese, that's not what I was expecting.
00:34:05
I just size wise.
00:34:06
I was.
00:34:07
That's a lot of surprising fiddle on there, and it made a super high def.
00:34:10
And everything usually like the one I did last year was was good.
00:34:13
But again, it was a lot throw on there for just a aesthetic standpoint.
00:34:21
Yeah, but I think the Clippers, I think I picked them in five.
00:34:24
What did you guys have them in? I had a man asleep.
00:34:27
I think I did to let me look because and that's weird because we we do.
00:34:35
You speak high of Dallas and that just shows you the match of specific alive five.
00:34:42
OK, I'll go down the line.
00:34:44
We had, um nobody.
00:34:48
Nobody actually had them in a suite.
00:34:50
At least according to this, it was a couple of them had a seven, but the majority was five.
00:34:56
I would say six was a close second.
00:34:59
Um, but yeah, that was the low onwards.
00:35:01
Really decisive in the West.
00:35:03
The Nuggets? Obviously, we do have.
00:35:04
Keith is the outlier for picking jazz.
00:35:08
It's seven, but the to teach the two guys picked blazers.
00:35:14
So that was That was cool, was it? Both places lead people.
00:35:19
Nose teeth can again l b okay.
00:35:23
I can keep did this.
00:35:24
A few years ago, he picked all the teams that nobody as faith in, um so leave it at that.
00:35:31
But, uh, it's movies like Awesome.
00:35:37
What's that? If he's right, it sounds awesome, right? One of these times he's gonna It's the same like dancing tournament.
00:35:43
Probably fix all that 16 seeds to win.
00:35:45
Oh, who knows? But close game alert.
00:35:50
That's not a close game.
00:35:51
Nine points isn't close to me.
00:35:53
It is what it was like.
00:35:54
30 man.
00:35:55
It should say closer game alerts.
00:35:57
I don't know.
00:35:58
I don't think that's how the automated E That would catch my attention like way.
00:36:04
Oh, it's only a 15 point deficit.
00:36:08
Um ah, that not ESPN MLS.
00:36:13
Start reading an email knobs getting, but it's, um Yeah, Look a tomorrow, quick.
00:36:20
And then watch this closer game now.
00:36:23
Yeah, sure.
00:36:26
So it looks magic.
00:36:27
Are we over under? 30.
00:36:29
5 would be taken.
00:36:32
I'll take the over.
00:36:33
I don't care what the line is.
00:36:34
I hate saying that, but they don't have their defensive anchors.
00:36:40
Who's gonna go? Johannes, I'm gonna say 25 because I assume you honestly play about 25 minutes.
00:36:44
So true, then then then, like 50 point game rounds into 25? Yes.
00:36:49
Yeah, That's the reason why I'm taking me under.
00:36:51
I think if they actually played like they would against, like, the the upper tier teams and yeah, I mean, it could be 40.
00:36:56
It wouldn't shock me.
00:36:57
The talent gap here is pretty significant.
00:37:00
D a m. Obama.
00:37:02
He's gone.
00:37:03
I think he's out, too, Though he's out.
00:37:04
Burke, He left the bottle, posed a which was odd.
00:37:07
But what is that? It's post Corona virus evaluation was the official Yeah, what is that? But I guess if they would tell us what it is, it's probably ahead the violation because they don't have like, but like, that's definitely weird wording, but for to be because a bunch of them had it and I wasn't wearing Obama had it prior.
00:37:30
But I don't really think there's my bombs underlying underlying issue or making sure he's okay.
00:37:36
Which is definitely the number one priority.
00:37:38
But it is weird to see him isolated from everyone else that had, and that's still there, because six teams that were eliminated, a few of them handful had it.
00:37:50
So we haven't heard much as faras what their plan is if they're going to do something similar.
00:37:57
But who knows? So yeah, him and Jonathan Isaac not being there is it's detrimental for any type of competitiveness with against Yana sort race and you look at the injury reported Aaron Gordon playing or no still profitable game time decision.
00:38:12
Yeah, I I assumed yo control are not Yokich. Jesus.
00:38:16
Blue Ceviche will have 23 12 like he does every game and they'll lose by 25 the Orlando Magic basketball and Evan Fournier.
00:38:25
You can't forget about him. Hello, 20.
00:38:27
Yeah, it's either Hammer.
00:38:28
Terrence Ross.
00:38:29
It's always one of the other and then the other.
00:38:31
But the other one is terrible this game.
00:38:32
After I said that the it was the game winner against Toronto last year in that Game one, I think so.
00:38:37
You did something that maybe said it's over time.
00:38:39
I can't remember exactly.
00:38:41
Um Oh, yeah.
00:38:44
The magic could win one game.
00:38:46
We can't rule it out.
00:38:48
No, there would rule it out there.
00:38:51
Were you faced last year? Yeah, Tell me.
00:38:56
I agree.
00:38:58
I agree.
00:38:59
It's Yeah, you have to.
00:39:00
James, at us again is the one that's talking.
00:39:01
Did I mention this on the pod? You know, I have been in slack.
00:39:06
Yeah.
00:39:07
Yeah, cause I six there's just a journeyman.
00:39:12
Maybe stick on a team for a long into the season and you could start talking, but he talks so much on the court to like, I don't think that seem like a back of the bench.
00:39:21
Player.
00:39:22
Talked more trash in the middle of a game.
00:39:23
It's never just 12.
00:39:24
Yeah, 12 minutes a game guy.
00:39:26
6.5 points.
00:39:28
Yeah, but I need better than I give that.
00:39:34
What is that? I said he's better than us, so I guess I'll give him that.
00:39:37
But who else is tomorrow? What's all the one eights and 45 Oh, okay.
00:39:45
Lakers places.
00:39:47
Just fun.
00:39:49
Um, I guess they said Ron does not playing tomorrow even though he's cleared.
00:39:52
So I would be crazy to me.
00:39:55
I thought second round was like, the earliest he couldn't when they when they mapped it out, it was gonna be the end of this month.
00:40:03
Yeah, i e I don't think he'll play.
00:40:05
I mean, unless they really need him.
00:40:07
I don't think go into playing him in this first round, because yeah, even if he's cleared, he hasn't like, we've seen some guys come back and look winded, and I'm sure has kept himself in great shape.
00:40:15
But like, there's a difference between staying in shaping and playing like playoff basketball.
00:40:19
So I assume I'll bring that a lot.
00:40:22
Um, yeah, you also don't want a lasting.
00:40:26
Would you say, Can I? I just think the other games like Eric, you can say what you're gonna say, but I think the other game they're gonna be really interesting, though.
00:40:33
Who? The before five matches are both really, really good this year is Ah, Is Westbrook playing? No.
00:40:40
No.
00:40:42
So it's gonna be ah, lot of a lot of James Harden.
00:40:47
Manhunt is under fence.
00:40:48
How did that how to both fan bases feel like? Like you think about this, how different it waas that whole trade.
00:40:56
And it's just I can't imagine what they're how they're looking at this.
00:41:00
Yeah, I don't think Rockets fans are upset because they're still pretty good.
00:41:05
And but thunder static.
00:41:10
I think both connect teams actually just got better from what happened last summer.
00:41:13
Honestly, she's weird, but yeah, well, yeah, because the thunder got rid of of playoff P.
00:41:21
It's a like I just want to say I let him get out of the first round.
00:41:26
Another going to use a plane.
00:41:27
The Maverick What? Yeah, pre season.
00:41:30
Yeah.
00:41:32
Uh um I wish I was watching this in the Czech today.
00:41:37
It was Jeremy Grant was one of the like, late late trades that happened.
00:41:42
Yeah, and I was like, OK, they're going to do this.
00:41:44
They're gonna get rid of Stephen.
00:41:46
Ads is going next.
00:41:48
Chris Paul's going next So I really wish they would have kept him because you start thinking about that and you're like an he saw as good as they are.
00:41:58
And if they were kept Jeremy Grant, What are we looking at today? What could we be looking at today with everybody tied that if he wins, you're 34 more games, their third or second? I think it makes sense.
00:42:11
Like I think it kind of gives you a chance to play somebody like door a little bit more like they were, like, even like that.
00:42:18
I don't think that this carry on you didn't start playing till, like, midseason.
00:42:21
Yeah, Or like there is Fazli, who has been good the last few games again.
00:42:25
I don't think that will carry on because I think there was a lot of we're but like it's giving you chances to develop them.
00:42:31
Whereas if Jeremy Grant was on the team, that's 26 minutes, you know, is going somewhere else.
00:42:36
What is this person in the chat say? I like he's out of his mind, right? It's just somebody that with us because for some reason that says no.
00:42:43
Yeah, I know.
00:42:45
Okay, But he said. Naps. Take them in seven.
00:42:48
So there's that.
00:42:49
He's he's he's coming in with all the ****e right now.
00:42:51
Um, yeah, I just I think that this team works so well because they're just the perfect mixture of guys that really care.
00:42:58
And I must say, Jeremy, Grandma fit that, but like, it's made it so you they can try some things out, and I've never been very big one.
00:43:06
Billy Donovan in the n B A.
00:43:07
But this year's been fantastic for Hammer.
00:43:10
There's no other way to put it.
00:43:11
So yeah, he's a right good.
00:43:14
I'm not supporting the coach of the year, but I just I know that by myself.
00:43:20
Brunell's has done a great job, but you can't discredit that.
00:43:23
I mean, the Raptors air in a similar situation.
00:43:25
Not that they're rebuilding at all, but, you know, they lost probably more than anyone expected them to gain in return.
00:43:32
So that's gonna be tough.
00:43:35
I want to see the you know, I'm be interested to see what the voting ends up, stacking up when we do received those awards because not even stat you look at the other awards that we went through.
00:43:48
It's gonna be really close across the board pretty much.
00:43:50
I mean, there's only a few where it's it's obvious.
00:43:52
Run away for probably job Rookie of the Year.
00:43:57
Six Man of the Year.
00:43:58
Do we probably give it to Lou Williams, or does that assured her slide in there? I think, Sugar, I don't think you'll be Lou.
00:44:03
I think I've heard enough like people that say they have votes say that they were choosing just between Herro and true er that, I mean, maybe they're lying, but or maybe there's a bunch of people who just don't say anything, but I think we Wells falling up enough that he's just not there.
00:44:18
Not that he's fallen off, but, like he's not like the number one bench die anymore, right? I still think there needs to be a minutes cap on.
00:44:25
Would you consider yourself a six man? But that's another debate, because the because the *** man's gonna average more minutes in the M V day.
00:44:34
Ah, yeah, I mean, well, not thanks for pointing out, but that's not what I was thinking.
00:44:40
I was just from a general standpoint.
00:44:42
If you if you're six man is averaging more minutes than some of them starters.
00:44:45
I mean, that doesn't make sense.
00:44:46
Um, for the the idea of 1/6 man is supposed to be your second unit, not ending the game as your first unit.
00:44:55
I don't Money is not a *** Mandia.
00:44:58
Yeah, Manu Ginobili led a six man Theo.
00:45:01
Well, all right.
00:45:03
Okay.
00:45:04
I'm says, though. Can't says no.
00:45:06
Same idea.
00:45:08
Yeah, Yeah, I just I don't know, I Is he a six man? Like, how many minutes did he play per game? All waking up 30 I think.
00:45:20
Thirties to cap, if you're over 30.
00:45:22
Well, that's right.
00:45:23
Where that's right with shredder is this year.
00:45:26
I thought I think it like 30.3 million. 32.
00:45:28
Yeah, but thirties, like a hard cap.
00:45:31
I I don't like 29.
00:45:34
I'd rather have like, 25 is your is your ideal sixth man.
00:45:41
And I understand why teams do that to give you a boost if you need it.
00:45:45
But this monument, 25.
00:45:46
4 per game for his career.
00:45:49
Okay, So then fine.
00:45:51
Nearly broke.
00:45:52
30 twice ever.
00:45:55
Yeah.
00:45:56
Only 30. Only 30 per game twice.
00:45:58
Ok, but still like that's for a what? 12 season career? That's pretty crazy because I agree with you.
00:46:05
Feels like that he was always in there.
00:46:08
Yeah, You just look like the whole first half off.
00:46:13
Essentially.
00:46:14
So, Lou Williams, I'm just gonna double check this.
00:46:17
Um, come on.
00:46:22
Also everything starting to get back to being right in the world.
00:46:24
Toronto's up 17.
00:46:26
Yeah.
00:46:27
Okay.
00:46:28
When he ever is 29 this year.
00:46:29
So that's right on the cusp.
00:46:30
I guess I'll allow it.
00:46:31
But it's still Commissioner Eric will allow it.
00:46:35
I will allow it. Yes.
00:46:37
Um, well
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last time for me and came.
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It was like a minute a regal Eric. Okay.
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Yeah.
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What's up, guys? Welcome to Monday's lead.
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We are kind of checking in on day one of the place we're in the middle of the second half game.
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Nothing like to talk about their.
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So we kind of figured we jump on and ah, kind of talk about what they once been like so far.
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So, uh, the first game was at least really fun.
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Did you guys both get to catch that? Yep.
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Most of it.
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Yeah.
00:00:26
Uh, basically into the boiling them to Donovan Mitchell vs Jamal Murray with.
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I mean, I didn't expect.
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Like, whenever they said he was out right after we recorded the podcast yesterday, I was a little bit more nervous, like we were all pretty on the Nuggets side yesterday, and I don't think that's gonna change.
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But I didn't think that they somehow played better without him.
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And Mitchell was just on another level.
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So what did you take away from that camp? Uh, yeah, I think I think it's what we've said the whole time.
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Like Utah's get a struggle in late game situations that they're having to create offense.
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And they did other than Mitchell, who had almost 60 like they really had a tough time getting the ball, even inside the three point line.
00:01:12
For the most part, like they were, they were really struggling.
00:01:15
And I mean, they didn't choke because I guess they weren't up, but kind of like you lost by 10 in overtime like that.
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Substantial, um, prayers to my boy keys for the pick that he made.
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But we'll let that would slash.
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Yeah, Eric, you basically do you agree with that? Are these like I mean, I don't know what else we can really take from because it's one game, and for the majority of the time, it was the Donovan Mitchell show, at least in the second half.
00:01:46
What's the problem is that he just cannot like he needs help and that help isn't there because of down of its not being there.
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And Conley's now, um, he was attending a surprised childbirth because I thought I knew everybody that was gonna leave for that Dennett shooter Gordon Hayward.
00:02:03
I didn't realize Mike Conley was on that list.
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I think he saw it coming.
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I just don't know if we know he's not coming, but like me, usually it's like, Oh, they're expecting to, you know, play without him at some point.
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So to do that right at the start of the playoffs, that doesn't help.
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So, yeah, it's just if he's gonna drop 57 they lose, I mean, that's just you need more, I think, really go bare.
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I was pretty non existent.
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I think throughout that game he had a couple of good defensive stops, but then the other, it was like two ends of the spectrum.
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With that, he he went from having a good stop on the end of regulation, too completely getting blown by Nokia choose, you know, notoriously slow.
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So if you bite on a pump fake and he's still able to get by you, that's a little concerning when it's kind of 50 50.
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So, but I still I'm taking the Nuggets in a sweep.
00:02:50
It was entertaining, no question about it.
00:02:52
But I just don't think did you as have enough to compete and out of a Mitchell acting like Bradley Beal out Washington this season with, he's gonna drop career highs and still lose like the polls.
00:03:02
It's It's just it's too bad. It really is.
00:03:06
Yeah, it was at one point.
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It was just like no one else on the team could do anything.
00:03:11
Um, I don't know.
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It was I saw some people kind of saying this on Twitter during the game, and I've been a little bit like, Not vocally, but, like I've never had quietly, never loved Donovan Mitchell, and I think it's just because my Pistons passed on him.
00:03:26
But, um, and it like that hurts because we have Luke Kennard knew what want **** later, but like if he's going to do that, I don't know if it's necessary just because, like you said, they don't like if he's gonna put up 57 they lose that, I don't that says more about him or the team now, because a lot of the times, it's just him, like driving it down, not really looking for them.
00:03:45
Hey, kind of has, like the Russell Westbrook like assist numbers where the number looks OK, but it's like he's forcing it just whenever he wants to, not whenever it actually goes in the flow of the offense.
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So it's, I think, that team needs something else.
00:03:59
He shot up 60% from the field, so it's all he was bad or inefficient or anything like that.
00:04:03
It was just It was not like you were watching a modern offense, and if he's the one running, it was, I don't know if, like so I don't know what it is.
00:04:10
I don't know if it's just the pieces that are there or what, but it was very much the Donovan Donovan Mitchell offense, as opposed to like the Utah Jazz offense. If that.
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If I'm communicating that well, so I guess it is interesting.
00:04:23
And this is one positive for Utah.
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They basically played Michael Porter Jr off the court.
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Um, his defense was so bad, they like he's been very good in the bubble, but they made him look like a rookie today.
00:04:35
So, um, I don't know that says going forward, because obviously he's been able to adapt in the bubble.
00:04:42
Um, if he can, that's that's pretty important because he's probably the third most important player.
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I like multi month name or stepped up today.
00:04:51
Is it Monta or Monty a dependent with commentator? I hear differently, but it sounds.
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Yeah, he was actually really good today.
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Some big threes, some smart play making.
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But like, if this team, anything I agree with you that they're gonna get past the jazz, that's not what I'm worried about.
00:05:06
But if they're gonna do anything in the next round, I think quarter has to be able to stay on the court.
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And that just wasn't going to be the case today.
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Well, the question could Gary Harris.
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You know Katherine, He's a big part of their offense.
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And him and will Barton.
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I don't Wilburn.
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Did he play today? No, no, no.
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Neither are cleared yet.
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I looked yesterday and it still kept saying like day today, But there's no actual update whenever I looked yesterday.
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So because the whole trouble, right, like there it's that mysterious Tyus Jones thing where, like, they were fined prior but otherwise have not shown that they can be cleared to play on the court.
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I mean, that's just kind of concerning for if you look past this round, which I don't like doing because the Jazz did play well today and I did pick them into sweet the Nuggets, but they're not gonna be able to beat the Clippers per se if if they don't have every single part of their roster, let alone just compete with the Clippers.
00:06:04
Um, and you know the Mavericks get by and that's still a tough matchup, even if they did play 73 So I don't know.
00:06:12
Well, we'll see how it goes because you know, he carry Harris was essentially healthy all season, so this is very, very strange for that to happen after five months of basically nothing, So I don't know.
00:06:25
Yeah, I don't know what happened to him.
00:06:27
He kind of fell off the face of the Earth last year, and he I'm not saying he's vital, but like tea, he didn't step back this year, but he's still part of their contributions.
00:06:37
And come playoff time, anytime you can get a good 10 or 15 minutes out of somebody like that's vital.
00:06:42
Oh, any any playoff success so, But again, Martin was a starter 58 game starter, 15 points, again, having his probably his best season of his career.
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Outside of two seasons ago, he had a pretty decent as I'm looking at it, um, stat line overall, but he's still a part of their team.
00:07:00
Still a big part of what they do.
00:07:01
And it has a lot of Michael Porter journey to probably play extended minutes because prior we only used to seeing him.
00:07:07
What, 2020 a game? 25? Yeah, yeah, something like that.
00:07:11
So that's probably the main reason.
00:07:14
Yeah, both of those guys were regular contributors up to the hiatus, so I hope that they returned because again, you hate to see teams compete not at full strength, because you really don't know what their potential is.
00:07:25
So But I don't We'll see.
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Yeah, and then So the game.
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Now it's actually down to 17 points.
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So there's that.
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Yeah, it's but I mean, this is what we expected because, like people I know, a lot of people get excited whenever they took it to Portland and, like, that's fun and all.
00:07:43
But like and we talked about this yesterday, the part playing against Portland and playing against Toronto's two very different things and it was cooled.
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Portland's like one of the themes it was trying the hardest.
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That didn't mean they were the best teams.
00:07:54
And whenever you're playing against the defense like this, Toronto team.
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It's just it's That's the big It's the issue to me, like Brooklyn's been one of best offenses in the restart really have 61 points right now.
00:08:07
There's eight minutes left in the third quarter like they've been.
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Oh, I think they've been averaging like 1 19 so they're definitely beyond like not doing what they've been doing the whole time.
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And that's because everyone in this to run it It's like Milwaukee, not to the same extent in the regular season.
00:08:21
But every one of Mr one of defense is at least solid.
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So it and like Kyle Lowry leads league and taking charges and stuff like that like they just caused so many issues for this team.
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Yeah, you could roll your eyes.
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I know you don't like how are a I really don't have these Very annoying.
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He's He's like a poor man's Marcus smart when it comes to that flop crap.
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Just hey, you know.
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But if it works, that's tell you in games, man, okay, and I so first on Ilyasova is on that you guys were pretty aware that he does the same thing.
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However, I think he's very like he's very genuine with it.
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Like he's actually courses.
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He doesn't flop.
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Top is, you know, he doesn't When he takes, he takes contact.
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It's not in a flat manner. I'm sorry.
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And I'm not being biased. It's just what I see.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Year glasses are green and purple.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know.
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I know what you're saying.
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I mean, calorie, definitely, like a lot of the superstars that tend to leave any time like a bigger name player, it seems like, does end up leading the league and something like that, Like Blake was early on it, But the beginning of like, the first two months whenever Blake, a nurse on used charges to and a lot of it was like he would take contact.
00:09:34
But then it was he knew how to embellish it in the right way to get the call, which I mean, that is a skill.
00:09:41
But it's also it's very frustrating when you're on the other side of it.
00:09:44
Um, but yeah, So I mean, I don't think there's really my first to talk about what this game, because, I mean, the nets are just kind of I mean, they are what they are.
00:09:53
I think it's kind of crazy and we like like like I keep saying we talked about it yesterday, but what they've done the bubble's pretty impressive for a team that we thought maybe they beat the Wizards game and that was it.
00:10:02
Um, they've been really competitive, but I think that kind of ends pretty quickly.
00:10:08
I think I think I see somebody from the site pick them to lose the one game because they never win game ones.
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I think I think it was pretty split 1 50 50 between a sweeping a gentleman sweep.
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I had gentlemen sleep for that reason.
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I just last year with Orlando losing Game one, they did it every seat, every Siri's.
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So I just like, you know what? We'll throw Brooklyn a game and maybe they'll win a game.
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You know? It is a Siri's.
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It is.
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You do hit 00 every time we start over, so they're gonna make adjustments.
00:10:41
Are they gonna work? Probably not, You know, maybe they get maybe they steal one, but otherwise this is, I think, out of every matchup, this is probably the outside of the box and magic.
00:10:51
Probably the most lopsided for his talent goes top to bottom.
00:10:54
Now, on a regular Brooklyn day where we do have Kevin Durant, we do have careering.
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That's another discussion for next season.
00:10:59
But, um, I think that's what all of a sudden that you know, they it's almost like they tabled that that was the whole thing or another.
00:11:05
This season doesn't matter, then, when they're playing pretty decent bowler like Let's go, let's go.
00:11:09
I don't know tryingto save John Bond's job or what? But they're playing with this kind of crazy, considering where they've been all year.
00:11:19
Yeah, it's it's been I respect him for it because there are guys like Jared Allen who you know their potential playing for their minutes next year.
00:11:28
Um, will you go back in? DeAndre Jordan's back in the full.
00:11:32
Katie takes up Caris Levert's minutes.
00:11:35
Um, not all of them.
00:11:36
But you know some of them where he's not gonna play regular.
00:11:38
It's almost like you go back to Boston.
00:11:40
A few years ago in Courtenay, Word and Kyrie Irving weren't there.
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That's the that allowed Terriers Year and Jayson Tatum to play more.
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And now Terry goes years gone and Jayson Tatum is emerging as as an All Star.
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So that, I mean, you do look at that, uh, sort of discrepancy between what? What happens now on what could happen next season for there their rotation Because we really don't know what that will look like.
00:12:05
They do make a big trade.
00:12:06
Let's say go south like Spencer didn't ready.
00:12:09
They might get rid of.
00:12:10
Who knows? It's just a lot of a lot of things going on there with coaching you mentioned.
00:12:16
So they have the probably most question mice.
00:12:20
I hate the fact that Jared Allen is just this expendable piece, decent team.
00:12:25
I hate that because it's like, Why? Why should DeAndre Jordan get any minutes next year? He's a statue on defense Now.
00:12:33
Jared Allen is what DeAndre Jordan was five years ago.
00:12:37
That they did the same player.
00:12:38
It's just your Allen is maybe a little less athletic, maybe, and I don't even know, like I don't know.
00:12:46
I would rather have the guy who's 23 doing the same thing that the guy who's 32 is losing a step, you know, like I I've never understood why, out of all the guys on their team like he's been the one guy that's like, Yeah, yeah, it's not even that They just like e like I understood, like I don't agree with it, But I understood why they paid DeAndre.
00:13:08
Jordan come like that was like the price to pay to get the two stars to come.
00:13:11
But the fact that he's also just playing over the young guys, what's confusing like? I don't care if he's on the team.
00:13:17
I care when he starts playing over him, and that's kind of my foot.
00:13:20
And Alan still had the slight edge in minutes.
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But if you're setting minutes, it's still not good.
00:13:26
Yeah, I'm saying I think that it should like it shouldn't be split. It should.
00:13:30
It should be.
00:13:31
He should be the clear back up the Jared Allen, right? Like even go 35 15.
00:13:36
However, that interchanges you know, there's gonna be some overlap put.
00:13:40
I'm gonna look this up quick because I want to say I look it up.
00:13:43
But it was 25 27.
00:13:45
Okay? Never.
00:13:48
And maybe it's just because way I mean, we all agree we, like, dried out and more every time I would watch them.
00:13:55
It would feel like it was just very.
00:13:57
He's very mobile when it comes to being down loan and that lateral ability agility rather, um, is pretty rare for people have size because you see, Go Bare struggled to do that today against a really slow Yokich.
00:14:12
It's just one prime example.
00:14:14
He's considered one of the better defense defenders.
00:14:16
Okay, him away.
00:14:20
I'll take him, him in towns together.
00:14:22
That's, uh, don't know what towns it before.
00:14:27
You need somebody to defend the Raymond, Minnesota.
00:14:29
This town.
00:14:33
Hey, there were there were some flashes like you'd like to tear this year.
00:14:38
I think he's capable.
00:14:39
I just don't know, you know, because wasn't he touted as a defender? It Kentucky? I feel like and they tell us a lot.
00:14:48
You're right, but I mean, like, usually, like whenever it's a top prospect, they when people are trying to like pointing to discredit before they'll find it.
00:14:55
And I actually think that they were trying to say that with a strength for him coming out.
00:15:00
We'll even Willie Cauley.
00:15:01
Stein was part of that group and yeah, he was really, really good and he's pretty much out of the league in the next two seasons.
00:15:09
I think, Yeah, I want to lose toe toe my alma mater in the n i t tournament, so I'm never to think too much of that from Mauritz, baby.
00:15:20
So it's 26 22 for minutes.
00:15:24
Okay.
00:15:25
Still, that's too too close of a split to me.
00:15:28
Um, yeah, because when you have, um, And if there's health issues, I get it.
00:15:34
But there really wasn't ah, this year because DeAndre Jordan played pretty much never game and tear it.
00:15:41
Alan was the starter, but, you know, it doesn't matter if he's not gonna good starters minutes, like, I think that's that's a huge thing to point to.
00:15:50
And, yeah, he didn't have any health ailments either, So you can't really take a step forward.
00:15:55
Um, and I think because he did take that big step forward from year one to your to last year.
00:16:02
Um, so who knows? If he developed the three point shot now, then that would get further for Brooklyn.
00:16:11
Yeah.
00:16:12
Yeah.
00:16:13
It seems like everybody for them just okay, you can You could run a pick and pop with him and Durant.
00:16:18
And that's I mean, you're not stopping that or even him And Kyrie.
00:16:22
I mean, here it's just you're not No one's stopping that if you could shoot like that.
00:16:25
So take me.
00:16:28
Yeah, it feels like everyone's just kind of everyone for this team.
00:16:32
Just feel like they're auditioning, whether it's to be with the team next year or there's a trade piece this summer because, like they have pieces, it's really it's really interesting.
00:16:41
I'll say that Ah, TLC is not guaranteed for next year.
00:16:45
And if they if they let go of him, that somebody, that I love him and he's been really fun, I don't think he's what he's looked like in the bubble.
00:16:54
Obviously, I think that right now it's kind of like he has a huge of much more bit, much greater opportunity, and he would usually get.
00:16:59
But there's something there.
00:17:01
He's a fun player, and I feel like you can cut almost two million by waving him.
00:17:06
I I could see that being something they doing over there looking to kind of fill out this roster.
00:17:11
Um, I wish Michael Beasley would have had a chance with that.
00:17:15
Yeah, because I think you know he It's said that he can't find a home.
00:17:21
I just I love him in Milwaukee, and I I understood why he left to get more money with the Knicks.
00:17:26
But even then, he was still played.
00:17:28
Really well. I don't know why.
00:17:29
There's no place for him.
00:17:30
Um, uh, I guess Solidified place where he can sit there for more than a season and a half or two seasons because he's the definition of a journeyman.
00:17:39
Nobody teams.
00:17:40
Is he on now? If you consider Brooklyn, which he signed with, that's that's got to be up there towards eight, maybe 19.
00:17:47
I was going to say it off the top.
00:17:49
It's a lot because Lakers Rockets were all part of it.
00:17:52
It's a very short tenure.
00:17:54
Next bucks, You know the Timberwolves, right? Yeah.
00:17:59
Yeah, it was He was.
00:18:01
He was on the summer league team for us last year.
00:18:03
We cut him for Christian would.
00:18:05
Michael Beasley was your summer league team? Yeah.
00:18:08
I never appeared in a game.
00:18:09
Not some early whatever.
00:18:10
In between summer league in preseason, they signed him in like, uh Ok, thank you.
00:18:15
Really? Yeah, really.
00:18:17
How do you remember this? Because he never appeared.
00:18:19
It was They caught him, like, two weeks later.
00:18:22
Whatever they got, Christian would Ah, yeah, Well, I, um well, you know that.
00:18:28
But it further defines and confirmed excited.
00:18:32
He's he fun.
00:18:33
He's very fun.
00:18:34
And he's a really good, really cool guy.
00:18:36
Have you ever see him When they do there social media stuff, He's really down to earth guy, and there's really no negatives.
00:18:43
So hopefully finds a spot.
00:18:45
I really you know, when I saw that is a perfect fit for me seeing this Brooklyn team.
00:18:51
Everybody's auditioning for that.
00:18:53
Um, Jamal Crawford included.
00:18:54
So we'll see.
00:18:55
But, um but to be honest, that's maybe maybe yeah, maybe he'll be their coats head coz you never know.
00:19:05
It can't be worse than Jason Kidd.
00:19:08
How Will see, See? But Tyler Johnson's another one, too.
00:19:13
Yeah, I think is not necessarily auditioning.
00:19:17
Simply tried to sign him four years ago.
00:19:20
Um, but I mean again, this is if it goes well, they're probably gonna retain most of those guys if they can, you know, if they're gonna get a pay raise somewhere else, lose him.
00:19:28
But, um, a bunch of those guys are pretty much expired.
00:19:33
Wilson Chandler.
00:19:34
He's a free agent, and he's not even there.
00:19:36
So I doubt that he's back there next year.
00:19:39
He really that's a disappointing thing.
00:19:41
Because I thought he was gonna find a place there, too.
00:19:43
And the suspension, he just really never played.
00:19:48
It sucks.
00:19:50
Yeah, he's kind of guy that I like.
00:19:51
I like, I like I like them on the next level almost 10 years ago.
00:19:55
Just get something.
00:19:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was part of Carmelo Trade.
00:19:58
So Yeah, it's so is the Allen. Ari.
00:20:01
That's wow.
00:20:02
That trade.
00:20:03
Looking back is actually kind of crazy because a bunch of guys that like or odds and ends that ended up actually liking.
00:20:08
That's why that Denver came on 57 games the next year because it was enough arguments.
00:20:12
The wind they couldn't win in New York.
00:20:14
But the other nicks just like toe watch everything.
00:20:19
So they sap the life out of it, man, do the West's Phoenix.
00:20:26
Yeah, yeah, um, the East phoenix Or however that works.
00:20:29
I followed you.
00:20:32
So what you guys looking forward to tonight? Boston, Philly? It's I said.
00:20:38
Well, yeah, I am.
00:20:40
I mean, that's yeah, I'm pretty excited that that's gonna be a good Siri's.
00:20:45
I think I was washing Tatum.
00:20:47
He's one of my favorite players.
00:20:49
My friend, actually, uh, is a is a hybrid fan because he loved Carmelo Anthony.
00:20:54
So he was a Knicks fan.
00:20:55
He's also a Bulls fan, and he's a Celtics fan.
00:20:58
Interesting, all the same time.
00:21:01
And yeah, people are weird.
00:21:03
That's what I tell him.
00:21:04
I'm like, Dude, you have to pick one.
00:21:06
So he went with the Celtics.
00:21:08
Uh, and he I bought a Jayson Tatum jersey because we both love watching him play.
00:21:12
We watched him every time to Celtics around.
00:21:14
So yeah, I'll just say I do that like Jason Tatum.
00:21:21
I get it. I give it.
00:21:23
I just think him of the blocks don't get along for whatever reason, it all it goes all the way back to their first playoff series like him and yacht has got tangled up.
00:21:32
He gets up first, and he just blatantly steps on the honest, his shoulder like pretty aggressively.
00:21:37
And I was like, All right, dude, you can like stuff off.
00:21:39
There's no need to do that, especially one and then there's just No, I've just never been a Jayson Tatum fan.
00:21:48
Never have been.
00:21:49
That's also why I don't like Ben Simmons.
00:21:52
The average oil indeed, because they tried to beat up my boy.
00:21:56
So you know, and they also talk way too much.
00:21:59
Yeah, that's you know that's it.
00:22:01
That's a big part of it.
00:22:03
Like they hadn't played any combined minutes.
00:22:07
Couple seasons pack When you know Ben Simmons that missed two full seasons, right? I think if you missed two and seven.
00:22:13
Smith similarly missed one right when he came in and won rookie of the year, so But either way, those guys were always talking everything.
00:22:21
They hadn't stepped on the court yet, and there is still the no results.
00:22:26
So but the sixties, when the Sixers win tonight and set the tone, Al Horford is gonna be the huge key to that.
00:22:33
Um, everyone's gonna be alarmed about the Celtics, and I love it.
00:22:38
I love knocking one of those teams out in the first round.
00:22:41
That happened every season.
00:22:42
I would be so satisfied like I would love it.
00:22:46
I think you meant to say when Dwelling Beat has 40 and 20 tonight and sets the tone, but an Al Horford shuts down, you know, remember? Yeah, I like I don't like I don't know if I because we and we talked again.
00:22:57
I we talked yesterday, and B is gonna be insane in the Siri's man.
00:23:02
Like, I guess I have never been a true believer in Paice.
00:23:05
I know he's solid, but, I mean, he just has to love seeing that across the court from him and be like, Well, this this is my Siri's.
00:23:12
I hope he reacts that way because that's the only way they have a chance to win the game.
00:23:16
You might not, but that's what's been weird about the scene the entire time is that you never know mentality wise what you're gonna get from them for how stack they were.
00:23:27
Oh, sorry.
00:23:28
What? I understand, Embiid.
00:23:34
Well oh, 1st 18 like that have, like, a lot beautiful.
00:23:47
Noticeable. That was clean.
00:23:49
A little Cory was that shopping for you? I got some of it.
00:23:53
Yeah, I was a little bit choppy.
00:23:55
Um, but like yes, somewhere here, most of it I just tryingto Yeah.
00:24:02
I mean, so I think if I say something you said exactly I don't mean to repeat you, but it is all about effort level and, like the Pentagon, if he wants to come out, come out and be when he's on.
00:24:12
And this.
00:24:13
I don't think this is controversial, but whenever he's playing, it is absolute peak.
00:24:16
He has the potential to be a top five player in the league, just on pure talent.
00:24:19
That happens like once every 20 games.
00:24:21
So it's That's what's frustrating.
00:24:25
I can't remember if we debated here or the part of whatever, but like whenever they people talk about which one of them, you would trade as much.
00:24:32
I personally actually like both of them, but I don't think that someone's gonna come out and give like a one effort once every 20 games, and that's the big difference to May get you.
00:24:44
But he, at least you know, tries doing everything else.
00:24:48
I think I think the I said like it's beautiful, that ball now here's a question.
00:25:01
If they do well, let's say they want this Siri's do they trade Benson? Um, I think if they win the series, they probably stand pat.
00:25:08
Honestly, I think change is only come if they lose in the first round, right, But him not being there is still Yeah, I I get what you're saying.
00:25:22
Yeah, The same thing with the coaching steps situation.
00:25:26
Everybody thinks that backgrounds gonna get fired for a couple of seasons.
00:25:30
Now they've they thought he would be can.
00:25:32
So what's their threshold today? You know, keep dealing with it because, I mean, there's only so many coaches that last more than five years.
00:25:41
And if they do, their legendary coach is most of the time Popovich, Carlisle, Spoelstra.
00:25:48
And it is probably more than 10 years.
00:25:50
Honestly, five years is because you still have, like, Alvin Gentry, that that was there for five years, right? I think, you know, I think five or six 10.
00:25:59
So then he didn't really complicated.
00:26:01
So I guess I should say, like as a minimum of seven or eight, they give you their for seven or eight years.
00:26:06
You're there for the long haul, and Red Brown has started from that literally bottom.
00:26:10
Thanks, Drake Teoh.
00:26:12
You know, as far as you want to go with Philly, but one playoff series win and I like to think he's gone, but at the same time, it's just it's It's frustrating cause for me.
00:26:25
I hate seeing teams not at full strength, as I mentioned time and time again.
00:26:28
So I guess we'll see.
00:26:30
But I do get the feeling that he's going to take any sort of blame.
00:26:34
And that's gonna be That's gonna be it.
00:26:38
Yeah.
00:26:39
I looked away for a second to Toronto games. A nine point game.
00:26:44
Not that I think that means anything.
00:26:46
But like when we got on, it was almost 30.
00:26:47
So it was like, 71 to 41? Yeah.
00:26:50
Yeah, it's 89 79 with 2 56 left in the third.
00:26:56
Um, but yeah.
00:26:58
I mean, it's like a 42.
00:27:01
It's it's seen runners.
00:27:02
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:27:03
Um, yeah, I think you're right.
00:27:05
Like, and then you see this too much.
00:27:07
And like, if Alvin Gentry had gotten fired at the end of last year because this is the most recent example.
00:27:12
If he had gotten fired at the end of last year, I don't think anyone would have thought anything, cause it's like, yeah, they were disappointing in the Anthony Davis years. Cool. CIA.
00:27:18
But since you brought him back and you mean when you find now It's like Wait, why did they change? Like you're rushing expectations too much.
00:27:25
It's like sometimes if the coach is right to be fired, Yeah, I mean, they just are like, and then I get the point Brown suffered through the process years and whatever.
00:27:34
But like, it's like Mark Jackson, though.
00:27:36
Yeah, sometimes you just know that we're gonna compare the warriors to the sixties right now, But, uh, you know, I'm saying, Hey, if there's a Draymond green on that bench, I don't know who it is, but, like maybe great hungry.
00:27:47
Oh, yeah, Whatever happened, you know what you just said? They'll make sense. I agree.
00:27:53
It's gonna be I think they trade Ben Simmons.
00:27:56
If they win this first round, it really do.
00:27:57
And it's going to shock people.
00:28:00
I mean, why wouldn't it shocked people? But I think it makes sense to change it up because, like I said, as much as I like both of them, I think I don't think that they fit well together.
00:28:10
And I think you're just making work because there's a lot of and I know you didn't hit the water and get on beat it one.
00:28:16
But those are the theoretical lotteries that you hit with topics that you took a swing on And say what you feel about that we give the Jabari.
00:28:23
Yeah, what you will you found to all the n b a players in tanking.
00:28:26
So, um, but that was assuming they fit together and you can try to force it and try to say that that's what works.
00:28:33
Or, I mean, if you had a competent GM, you would smartly flip one and re fill out your roster so you don't have to play Glenn Robinson and meaningful minutes, But no.
00:28:45
Yeah, those were their deadline deals.
00:28:46
I think him and Alec works is a lot better than Glenn Robinson from a contribution standpoint, but, um, yeah, like Berkson Josh Richardson were the ones that took over one of the later mobile games and that just as a test, how deep they can be and their potential is there, it might have been against Portland For what it's worth, Uh, Richardson, like 26.
00:29:12
It was him against Lillard pretty much that whole fourth quarter.
00:29:15
Alec Parks was a big part of that too, So, yeah, I mean, only time will tell I do think you set the tone and went tonight donned.
00:29:24
Surprise, everybody.
00:29:25
I think that Simmons trade things like, if you want to go back to that produced a second, uh, it I think it depends on the taste left in their mouth after they lose.
00:29:37
Like if they lose, if they win the title.
00:29:39
Obviously, I mean depends.
00:29:41
I guess we'll have a lot of other things to talk about, right? We'll have to make some apologies and correct some stuff.
00:29:48
But, uh, like I just think if they so, if they win against Boston and then you know, they lose because of something that they could have used for Ben. Senators like it.
00:29:58
I think it really depends on on a lot of different things in their next match up.
00:30:03
I would say if they do win, well, they went and they played Toronto again.
00:30:09
So Well, unless Brooklyn deal, they're coming back here.
00:30:13
You might force you could speak better.
00:30:18
This aircraft, you're the one that, actually what would probably have watches, but I mean, I don't know how much I really dug into the matchup, but like when they played Milwaukee, it's Simmons that guards Ah, you honest right primarily? Or is it Horford? Yeah.
00:30:33
Um, see, it was a mixed bag because the sixties were really dominant that Christmas Day game.
00:30:38
And otherwise it was There were blowouts, OK, but I think it was Simmons and a little bit of combination of Richardson and Tobias Harris.
00:30:50
Um, but Al Horford was when he was on the Celtics, he was part of that wall.
00:30:55
You have Game One where they won pretty ****ly last season.
00:30:59
So I think if they were to meet up, that would probably be their game plan is to, well, offi honest.
00:31:05
That's that's the game plan.
00:31:06
But the anger is probably Orford with Embiid back there at the rim.
00:31:11
And, um, see, I have to go back and watch because I'm guessing it was Simmons for the majority of it.
00:31:20
But I do think that they Horford was thrown at him at some point, and Richard said a little bit, even though he's undersized.
00:31:28
But I'm just trying to think of which one like they have to plant up that this is the only reason why you would keep somebody but like you have to try to plan out which one is more impactful in the matchups that you face in your conference, because that's who they're gonna be trying to be.
00:31:40
I know you don't want to like a Houston only be built to beat the Warriors and then still fail to do so.
00:31:44
But, like that's still something like that's That's your court matchup.
00:31:47
You have to think about.
00:31:48
And I obviously worked.
00:31:51
We've talked in B.
00:31:52
It's more important in this Boston matchup just because they, like, refused to have a able bodied center that can guard him.
00:31:58
But if Simmons is more important, the other matchups in the conference, that's where you start getting into the complicated stuff, Um, and the reason why I asked this earlier.
00:32:07
And Eric, you laughed earlier when I said What game we're looking forward to tonight when I when I was listening to the wonderful commentary of Ah, Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy, all they were talking about with Luca and I, I like I love Luca.
00:32:21
Obviously, I don't think that game is gonna be I just don't think they can keep it close.
00:32:25
Maybe I'm crazy, but now he's gonna deport thing is to do something which he has rights.
00:32:31
I think even if they both have 30 they still probably lose pretty handily.
00:32:35
Yeah, there's nobody to stop, but you're gonna put Tim Hardaway Jr on one of those two.
00:32:39
There's no going to Dio and it's gonna be on God.
00:32:45
You can't put Luca on either one because he's not.
00:32:49
Do you have a good defensive player on this team right now? I know that Utilized White.
00:32:55
Callie's not there with his Achilles injury.
00:32:57
Yeah, you utilised him for some specific matchups.
00:33:03
That's not that.
00:33:04
Doesn't matter because he's gone.
00:33:05
Yeah, that's what I mean, Like, I mean, and and they're like a historically great offense.
00:33:08
Like, I think I figure what stat it was.
00:33:10
But, like of all time, they're like Number one, I think, was in offensive efficiency.
00:33:13
Are offensive rating or something like that, or but, like they also they think, was 155 points per 100 possessions or something like that.
00:33:21
But they also lead up like over 140.
00:33:23
So, like if you're not scoring at that level of efficiency, which you're probably not against this Clippers defense, then things start to get really complicated.
00:33:32
It'll be fun to watch Luke in the playoffs because we haven't seen it yet.
00:33:35
But through I'm just hoping one match up where? Other than the books, well, the one West matchup.
00:33:42
I shouldn't say that was everybody picked Clippers 36 of us, which I'm impressed by the way that we had 36 people submit.
00:33:49
Like that's That's actually really let's turn out.
00:33:52
Um, because I would say compared a couple years ago, that last year, probably 20 years less, 15 20.
00:34:00
So when they posted the sheet that as a cheese, that's not what I was expecting.
00:34:05
I just size wise.
00:34:06
I was.
00:34:07
That's a lot of surprising fiddle on there, and it made a super high def.
00:34:10
And everything usually like the one I did last year was was good.
00:34:13
But again, it was a lot throw on there for just a aesthetic standpoint.
00:34:21
Yeah, but I think the Clippers, I think I picked them in five.
00:34:24
What did you guys have them in? I had a man asleep.
00:34:27
I think I did to let me look because and that's weird because we we do.
00:34:35
You speak high of Dallas and that just shows you the match of specific alive five.
00:34:42
OK, I'll go down the line.
00:34:44
We had, um nobody.
00:34:48
Nobody actually had them in a suite.
00:34:50
At least according to this, it was a couple of them had a seven, but the majority was five.
00:34:56
I would say six was a close second.
00:34:59
Um, but yeah, that was the low onwards.
00:35:01
Really decisive in the West.
00:35:03
The Nuggets? Obviously, we do have.
00:35:04
Keith is the outlier for picking jazz.
00:35:08
It's seven, but the to teach the two guys picked blazers.
00:35:14
So that was That was cool, was it? Both places lead people.
00:35:19
Nose teeth can again l b okay.
00:35:23
I can keep did this.
00:35:24
A few years ago, he picked all the teams that nobody as faith in, um so leave it at that.
00:35:31
But, uh, it's movies like Awesome.
00:35:37
What's that? If he's right, it sounds awesome, right? One of these times he's gonna It's the same like dancing tournament.
00:35:43
Probably fix all that 16 seeds to win.
00:35:45
Oh, who knows? But close game alert.
00:35:50
That's not a close game.
00:35:51
Nine points isn't close to me.
00:35:53
It is what it was like.
00:35:54
30 man.
00:35:55
It should say closer game alerts.
00:35:57
I don't know.
00:35:58
I don't think that's how the automated E That would catch my attention like way.
00:36:04
Oh, it's only a 15 point deficit.
00:36:08
Um ah, that not ESPN MLS.
00:36:13
Start reading an email knobs getting, but it's, um Yeah, Look a tomorrow, quick.
00:36:20
And then watch this closer game now.
00:36:23
Yeah, sure.
00:36:26
So it looks magic.
00:36:27
Are we over under? 30.
00:36:29
5 would be taken.
00:36:32
I'll take the over.
00:36:33
I don't care what the line is.
00:36:34
I hate saying that, but they don't have their defensive anchors.
00:36:40
Who's gonna go? Johannes, I'm gonna say 25 because I assume you honestly play about 25 minutes.
00:36:44
So true, then then then, like 50 point game rounds into 25? Yes.
00:36:49
Yeah, That's the reason why I'm taking me under.
00:36:51
I think if they actually played like they would against, like, the the upper tier teams and yeah, I mean, it could be 40.
00:36:56
It wouldn't shock me.
00:36:57
The talent gap here is pretty significant.
00:37:00
D a m. Obama.
00:37:02
He's gone.
00:37:03
I think he's out, too, Though he's out.
00:37:04
Burke, He left the bottle, posed a which was odd.
00:37:07
But what is that? It's post Corona virus evaluation was the official Yeah, what is that? But I guess if they would tell us what it is, it's probably ahead the violation because they don't have like, but like, that's definitely weird wording, but for to be because a bunch of them had it and I wasn't wearing Obama had it prior.
00:37:30
But I don't really think there's my bombs underlying underlying issue or making sure he's okay.
00:37:36
Which is definitely the number one priority.
00:37:38
But it is weird to see him isolated from everyone else that had, and that's still there, because six teams that were eliminated, a few of them handful had it.
00:37:50
So we haven't heard much as faras what their plan is if they're going to do something similar.
00:37:57
But who knows? So yeah, him and Jonathan Isaac not being there is it's detrimental for any type of competitiveness with against Yana sort race and you look at the injury reported Aaron Gordon playing or no still profitable game time decision.
00:38:12
Yeah, I I assumed yo control are not Yokich. Jesus.
00:38:16
Blue Ceviche will have 23 12 like he does every game and they'll lose by 25 the Orlando Magic basketball and Evan Fournier.
00:38:25
You can't forget about him. Hello, 20.
00:38:27
Yeah, it's either Hammer.
00:38:28
Terrence Ross.
00:38:29
It's always one of the other and then the other.
00:38:31
But the other one is terrible this game.
00:38:32
After I said that the it was the game winner against Toronto last year in that Game one, I think so.
00:38:37
You did something that maybe said it's over time.
00:38:39
I can't remember exactly.
00:38:41
Um Oh, yeah.
00:38:44
The magic could win one game.
00:38:46
We can't rule it out.
00:38:48
No, there would rule it out there.
00:38:51
Were you faced last year? Yeah, Tell me.
00:38:56
I agree.
00:38:58
I agree.
00:38:59
It's Yeah, you have to.
00:39:00
James, at us again is the one that's talking.
00:39:01
Did I mention this on the pod? You know, I have been in slack.
00:39:06
Yeah.
00:39:07
Yeah, cause I six there's just a journeyman.
00:39:12
Maybe stick on a team for a long into the season and you could start talking, but he talks so much on the court to like, I don't think that seem like a back of the bench.
00:39:21
Player.
00:39:22
Talked more trash in the middle of a game.
00:39:23
It's never just 12.
00:39:24
Yeah, 12 minutes a game guy.
00:39:26
6.5 points.
00:39:28
Yeah, but I need better than I give that.
00:39:34
What is that? I said he's better than us, so I guess I'll give him that.
00:39:37
But who else is tomorrow? What's all the one eights and 45 Oh, okay.
00:39:45
Lakers places.
00:39:47
Just fun.
00:39:49
Um, I guess they said Ron does not playing tomorrow even though he's cleared.
00:39:52
So I would be crazy to me.
00:39:55
I thought second round was like, the earliest he couldn't when they when they mapped it out, it was gonna be the end of this month.
00:40:03
Yeah, i e I don't think he'll play.
00:40:05
I mean, unless they really need him.
00:40:07
I don't think go into playing him in this first round, because yeah, even if he's cleared, he hasn't like, we've seen some guys come back and look winded, and I'm sure has kept himself in great shape.
00:40:15
But like, there's a difference between staying in shaping and playing like playoff basketball.
00:40:19
So I assume I'll bring that a lot.
00:40:22
Um, yeah, you also don't want a lasting.
00:40:26
Would you say, Can I? I just think the other games like Eric, you can say what you're gonna say, but I think the other game they're gonna be really interesting, though.
00:40:33
Who? The before five matches are both really, really good this year is Ah, Is Westbrook playing? No.
00:40:40
No.
00:40:42
So it's gonna be ah, lot of a lot of James Harden.
00:40:47
Manhunt is under fence.
00:40:48
How did that how to both fan bases feel like? Like you think about this, how different it waas that whole trade.
00:40:56
And it's just I can't imagine what they're how they're looking at this.
00:41:00
Yeah, I don't think Rockets fans are upset because they're still pretty good.
00:41:05
And but thunder static.
00:41:10
I think both connect teams actually just got better from what happened last summer.
00:41:13
Honestly, she's weird, but yeah, well, yeah, because the thunder got rid of of playoff P.
00:41:21
It's a like I just want to say I let him get out of the first round.
00:41:26
Another going to use a plane.
00:41:27
The Maverick What? Yeah, pre season.
00:41:30
Yeah.
00:41:32
Uh um I wish I was watching this in the Czech today.
00:41:37
It was Jeremy Grant was one of the like, late late trades that happened.
00:41:42
Yeah, and I was like, OK, they're going to do this.
00:41:44
They're gonna get rid of Stephen.
00:41:46
Ads is going next.
00:41:48
Chris Paul's going next So I really wish they would have kept him because you start thinking about that and you're like an he saw as good as they are.
00:41:58
And if they were kept Jeremy Grant, What are we looking at today? What could we be looking at today with everybody tied that if he wins, you're 34 more games, their third or second? I think it makes sense.
00:42:11
Like I think it kind of gives you a chance to play somebody like door a little bit more like they were, like, even like that.
00:42:18
I don't think that this carry on you didn't start playing till, like, midseason.
00:42:21
Yeah, Or like there is Fazli, who has been good the last few games again.
00:42:25
I don't think that will carry on because I think there was a lot of we're but like it's giving you chances to develop them.
00:42:31
Whereas if Jeremy Grant was on the team, that's 26 minutes, you know, is going somewhere else.
00:42:36
What is this person in the chat say? I like he's out of his mind, right? It's just somebody that with us because for some reason that says no.
00:42:43
Yeah, I know.
00:42:45
Okay, But he said. Naps. Take them in seven.
00:42:48
So there's that.
00:42:49
He's he's he's coming in with all the ****e right now.
00:42:51
Um, yeah, I just I think that this team works so well because they're just the perfect mixture of guys that really care.
00:42:58
And I must say, Jeremy, Grandma fit that, but like, it's made it so you they can try some things out, and I've never been very big one.
00:43:06
Billy Donovan in the n B A.
00:43:07
But this year's been fantastic for Hammer.
00:43:10
There's no other way to put it.
00:43:11
So yeah, he's a right good.
00:43:14
I'm not supporting the coach of the year, but I just I know that by myself.
00:43:20
Brunell's has done a great job, but you can't discredit that.
00:43:23
I mean, the Raptors air in a similar situation.
00:43:25
Not that they're rebuilding at all, but, you know, they lost probably more than anyone expected them to gain in return.
00:43:32
So that's gonna be tough.
00:43:35
I want to see the you know, I'm be interested to see what the voting ends up, stacking up when we do received those awards because not even stat you look at the other awards that we went through.
00:43:48
It's gonna be really close across the board pretty much.
00:43:50
I mean, there's only a few where it's it's obvious.
00:43:52
Run away for probably job Rookie of the Year.
00:43:57
Six Man of the Year.
00:43:58
Do we probably give it to Lou Williams, or does that assured her slide in there? I think, Sugar, I don't think you'll be Lou.
00:44:03
I think I've heard enough like people that say they have votes say that they were choosing just between Herro and true er that, I mean, maybe they're lying, but or maybe there's a bunch of people who just don't say anything, but I think we Wells falling up enough that he's just not there.
00:44:18
Not that he's fallen off, but, like he's not like the number one bench die anymore, right? I still think there needs to be a minutes cap on.
00:44:25
Would you consider yourself a six man? But that's another debate, because the because the *** man's gonna average more minutes in the M V day.
00:44:34
Ah, yeah, I mean, well, not thanks for pointing out, but that's not what I was thinking.
00:44:40
I was just from a general standpoint.
00:44:42
If you if you're six man is averaging more minutes than some of them starters.
00:44:45
I mean, that doesn't make sense.
00:44:46
Um, for the the idea of 1/6 man is supposed to be your second unit, not ending the game as your first unit.
00:44:55
I don't Money is not a *** Mandia.
00:44:58
Yeah, Manu Ginobili led a six man Theo.
00:45:01
Well, all right.
00:45:03
Okay.
00:45:04
I'm says, though. Can't says no.
00:45:06
Same idea.
00:45:08
Yeah, Yeah, I just I don't know, I Is he a six man? Like, how many minutes did he play per game? All waking up 30 I think.
00:45:20
Thirties to cap, if you're over 30.
00:45:22
Well, that's right.
00:45:23
Where that's right with shredder is this year.
00:45:26
I thought I think it like 30.3 million. 32.
00:45:28
Yeah, but thirties, like a hard cap.
00:45:31
I I don't like 29.
00:45:34
I'd rather have like, 25 is your is your ideal sixth man.
00:45:41
And I understand why teams do that to give you a boost if you need it.
00:45:45
But this monument, 25.
00:45:46
4 per game for his career.
00:45:49
Okay, So then fine.
00:45:51
Nearly broke.
00:45:52
30 twice ever.
00:45:55
Yeah.
00:45:56
Only 30. Only 30 per game twice.
00:45:58
Ok, but still like that's for a what? 12 season career? That's pretty crazy because I agree with you.
00:46:05
Feels like that he was always in there.
00:46:08
Yeah, You just look like the whole first half off.
00:46:13
Essentially.
00:46:14
So, Lou Williams, I'm just gonna double check this.
00:46:17
Um, come on.
00:46:22
Also everything starting to get back to being right in the world.
00:46:24
Toronto's up 17.
00:46:26
Yeah.
00:46:27
Okay.
00:46:28
When he ever is 29 this year.
00:46:29
So that's right on the cusp.
00:46:30
I guess I'll allow it.
00:46:31
But it's still Commissioner Eric will allow it.
00:46:35
I will allow it. Yes.
00:46:37
Um, well

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