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00:00:15
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Bills guys presented by Buffalo fanatics.
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My name is Steve Mathis, the guy from Phoenix.
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You can find me on Twitter at Judge Mathis.
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I'm joined, as always by my co host and the I should say, the Iron Man of the Bills guys, because I missed an episode last week and he was year.
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Dave tell you confined him on Twitter at Tilt Money and we are already up into the forties.
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I think that's just Facebook do in terms of the viewer count that we can see.
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So as you roll and hit us up in the comments section, let us know you are here and let's get this party started because I'll tell you what.
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I'm feeling feisty tonight, folks.
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I got my support, your local brewery shirt on.
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I am supporting my local brewery and I'm ready after jets highlight of the week.
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This is this is lazing Tillman F.
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The Justice week because the jets are making moves and it is it's getting, it's getting it's getting rough in in the metal lands.
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Did you see that? They also cut Quincy and don't want today to? Yeah.
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I mean, look, Quincy and Noon.
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Uh, I'm a fan of his.
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I think he's a He's a good player.
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He just could never He's like, there he's like, their version of time across.
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Maybe you could just never stay on the field.
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Um, but yeah, I did see that quick shadow to the guys in the house already tonight.
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If the Jets you mentioned Elliott is in the house, Brett is in the house.
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Are guy Joe? Joe Miller is in the house.
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Christian key in the house.
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Ah, Andrews in the house.
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So we've got a lot of regulars in already, and we'll be sure to shout you guys out as you come in and comments Be sure to do so we can show you out that you are in the room.
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Yeah, and I'll tell you what.
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Let's start with the tire fire that is the New York Jets.
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Through the hearts in the room as well.
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Well, they traded.
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They traded Jamal Adams, which, you know, you could say it was a good deal for them.
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But CJ Mosley, the second he saw that Jamal Adams Street hops out, you know, citing family reasons.
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I'm not gonna judge all that things, But honestly, a little bit of me thinks that he's just gonna wait out.
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Adam Gays.
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Now comes the news that they're cutting Brian winners and the bills have signed him that they're cutting Quincy and none wa It almost looks to me like the New York Jets, despite the fat.
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Like you could have made an argument a week and 1/2 ago that the New York Jets were threats to the Buffalo Bills in the A f C East.
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I'm not saying it was the most silent of arguments, but you could make an argument looking at their roster that that they're a decent team, like they have some good players.
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But now they're cutting players left and right.
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Adam gazes still their head coach, do we even remotely have to worry about the Jets right now? Hey, man, maybe I was Ah, Nostra Thomas There, back when we did the, uh, the pie, the pie slicing for percentage chance.
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Each team is gonna win the division.
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Now, I had I think I have the jets down at 15% or something like that back then and now you could make the case.
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It's less than 15%.
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After all this going on with the opt outs.
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Um, that defense doesn't really have any playmakers now, Um, look, they you know, they've tried to put some stuff around Sam Donald on offense now with Mims and they drafted Beckton, but they still living on Bill.
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But like that team, if you just look at it top to bottom, probably is the worst roster in the entire division.
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Um, outside of the quarterback.
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So, uh, yeah, I think that the Jets are a tire fire right now, but, um, we just got to hope that Adam Gaze is still the guy.
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Ah, you know, maybe still the guy all season and even in the next season, we've seen, um that Ah, you know, Joe Douglas obviously had a history with him, but who knows what could happen after this season? Heating higher? Adam Gay Skase was there first, So let's hope that tire fire continues.
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I mean, if you, uh if you made your way over to the fiery pit that is fan cited in your Google searches today, there was an article from one of the dolphins reporters saying that no one now stands in the Dolphins way.
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So maybe maybe we have the Dolphins Teoh worry about.
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But, uh, you know, Alec with a great comment.
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I wonder how jealous Sand Arnold is Josh Allen.
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And let's talk about this for a second because you look at this Buffalo Bills roster.
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Stefon Diggs, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Zach Moss.
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Dawson knocks Devin Singletary.
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The entire starting five minus now John Feliciano on the office of line coming back.
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But the added Darryl Williams.
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They have tie in Seki.
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And for the first time ever, a guy was released and he didn't go to the Dallas Cowboys in the New England Patriots.
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He signed with the Buffalo friggin bills.
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I mean, the say what you want and we'll get into the conversation about Brian Williams, Brian Winters in a moment.
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But, I mean, come on, it.
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Is there any team that is putting their RUC put their rookie quarterback in their young quarterback in a better position than the Buffalo Bills? I mean, seeing Donald has to be absolutely fuming, despite the fact that New York is a bigger market, that he was drafted to that player fire franchise.
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I mean, Sam Donald probably is a little bit jealous just seeing it.
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And it's not even just about personnel, right at this point.
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It's about the organisational culture, right? Because the Jets have always been kind of a John Paul Quetta, thank you, mostly after doubts when he comes back next year, case camps like, Yeah, I think I think I saw a few people make that comment and it's not Ah, it's not a totally writing is outrageous cutting guys, they're there.
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They're playing for a draft pick.
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But getting back to what I was saying about Donald, it's like, Look, the personnel is one thing, right? And you could say what you want, Joe Douglas, Like what he's been able to do, I think Joe Douglas in the vacuum for the team.
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He's drafted pretty well. From what we can tell.
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He's got the two first round picks in return for Jamal Adams.
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But right now, this year, 2020 this Jets team with Adam gaze at the helm.
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I mean, it is a It is a bit of a dumpster fire, right? And I think that, you know, we know it's well do***ented that the A F.
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C East has a very tough schedule all around for a strength of schedule.
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It's gonna be tough for Sam Donald.
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He's gonna have a rookie receiver, Denzel Memes there, which is fine.
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And he's got, you know, Jamison Crowder, Levian Bells, A nice player.
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But like who's blocking for him, right? I mean, so like Donald.
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I mean, and you could tell even that times last year you could you could tell Levy on.
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Bill was getting frustrated with the situation running into brick balls.
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And I My hat's off to lady on because he got a bad rap for holding out and, like, missing the entire season the season before.
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But that guy didn't say a word last year.
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He didn't say anything.
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The media, he just kept, he just kept going.
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And so, yeah, it's it's going to be interesting.
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And he's got a feel a little just if you think about it, what what other team like you said, has this situation around there, you know, second, like, let's just say, third year or less, quarterback, right? I don't know that there is a better situation.
00:07:12
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's it's literally polar offices, because now I almost feel like the Buffalo Bills are like, All right, Josh, you sewn some promise we're gonna surround.
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You were gonna surround you with talent to see if you can take that next step.
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And you know, then obviously over time, we're gonna have to take some of those pieces away.
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But hopefully by then your game will have developed to a point where you could make the other get the guys around you better.
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The Bills are taking that sort of approach.
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Josh Allen surrounding it with a ton of weapons under his rookie deal.
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It almost seems like the Jets are pulling a full 18 And Underdog was He realizes cases and the guy and he stuck with gays.
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And it's almost like the Jets are going into the season with this approach cut.
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Winners cut. Unknown walk.
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All right, this is cases last year. The writing is on the wall.
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Moses gone. Adams is gone.
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It's almost like they're like, All right, Santa Arnold.
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If you flail out and we have a top 33 pick, we very well might replace replace you with, you know, train lands or Trevor Lawrence adjusting fields we very well might make.
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Make the decision and pulled the trigger to replace you.
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Or Sand Arnold, if you manage to overcome all of our bull**** and still on your own, managed to become a quarterback.
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Despite all the ways we've tried to stop you from becoming a good quarterback, well, then we'll draft Amar Chase and give you a weapon.
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Finally, like that.
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Almost seems like that's the Jets approach.
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And it's just the polar opposite of the Buffalo Bills approach.
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And that's just such a such a freak in New York City approach.
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You know, I'm saying it's just, uh I should even say New York say that such a New Jersey approach.
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I think they have a lot of garbage dumps in New Jersey, right? Oh, my God, Yeah, they do.
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And to be honest with you, like I'm gonna like, don't hate me for saying this, but I kind of feel bad for Sam.
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Donald.
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I like Sam.
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Donald, I It seems like a good guys friends with Josh.
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I mean, their rivals kisses girls.
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I mean their rivals on the field, but they say he seems like a good guy and like I kind of feel bad from now.
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I don't feel bad for the Jets as a team, so don't Don't get me get Don't get my words twisted there.
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I'm fine seeing the jets Jets.
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Ah, crash and burn.
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Thank you, Piers for that.
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This is at the be a fan shop for those who, um, who are interested, Probably just me.
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But that's okay.
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Uh, I think my mom has one.
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Well, yeah. Miss Mathis.
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Thank you for buying that Bills, guys sweatshirt, but yeah, I mean, I kind of feel bad for Sam.
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Donald.
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I mean, the Jets are taking a very, like, sort of opposite approach.
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They're taking the approach that you would take.
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It's not even the same approach, but they're treating him as if he's like this established veteran, and they can just like he can elevate the team.
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And he's not at that point yet.
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We're talking about this for Josh Allen.
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Eventually, the scales are gonna have to tiptoe where he's going to have to be the one elevating guys around him when the cap situation kind of flips and he gets that second contract versus now where he's on that rookie contract, and he's got the the superstars, if you will around him, that are elevating him up into that next echelon.
00:10:12
So they're kind of doing that opposite move in New York, where they're like they don't even have the upper echelon guys there.
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So they're just going to say, Okay, Sam, Donald, you're gonna have to elevate this team on your own.
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We'll see what happens next year when we have two first round picks and it's it's kind of like not the approach I would take.
00:10:27
So all right, let's shift their focus now from the tire fire in the Meadowlands.
00:10:33
Teoh what looks to be a promising roster here in Buffalo Now the Buffalo fanatics legitimately broke the John Feliciano story wide open.
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You always you know, you hate to see a guy and get hurt.
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You hate to see a guy like John Feliciano get hurt a que tres to the Buffalo Fanatics team making me look good cause they let me write the article that John Feliciano is going to miss probably half the season, at least with with his torn pectoral muscle.
00:10:59
And I wrote this nice article, and in the article, I didn't really eloquent job.
00:11:03
I think of laying out all of the that, your stuff in the bag pat yourself on the all of the ways in which I thought, the Buffalo Bills, we're going to be able to handle the loss of John Felicia.
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And I believe somewhere in the article was like, I don't think there's any way in hell we're gonna sign a guy and if you will have that conversation when we come to it.
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So sure enough, three days later, well, we're having this conversation.
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So my original take was, It's gonna be Spencer Long and Darryl Williams duking it out at right guard.
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It was going to Cody Ford at right tackle.
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Maybe Tie in second would work himself in, but they wanted to preserve him to be able to swing over to the left side.
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Evan Bain would be taking most of the second team reps at center.
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That's all shot to hell now with the addition of Brian Winters.
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So what do you think about Brian Winners and where do you think he fits in to this whole sort of offensive line situation that the Buffalo Bills find themselves in which up Feliciano So my my take is this.
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Brian Winters comes in and I think you're dead on within Seki, right? I think he's too valuable to put him over like a lot of people like the idea of having in second at right tackle and Ford and right guard.
00:12:08
But to me, that Len leaves you in a very difficult position.
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If in second or Dawkins get injured, who's gonna play tackle for you? So I think in second off the bench is your swing tackle makes sense to me.
00:12:18
So with Winter's coming in the fold, I personally and I've said this before I've said it on the show.
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I've said it in our Buffalo Fanatics chat.
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I think you need to give for the opportunity to show if he can improve it right tackle, and you need to give him every chance to win that job.
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Now if he completely flops, that's one thing.
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But all things equal, he's gonna play right tackle for this team this year unless something crazy happens and he just completely stinks.
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So to me, this comes down to now a three way competition at the right guard spot, which is not a bad thing.
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You've got Winters, you've got Williams, and you've got long.
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So out of those three guys, I would like to think that one of the three of them is gonna elevate themselves over the other and at least be something serviceable.
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Probably not to the level that Feliciano was on cause Feliciano was kind of underrated.
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Honestly, he was a great guy to have on the line.
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He was the enforcers, and Josh trusted him.
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So I like the idea of that three way competition at right guard and let Ford kind of do its thing at right tackle.
00:13:20
Now, four will probably play, uh, you know, split reps within Seki during camp it right tackle, But I think the bills want him to play right tackle this year.
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So that's kind of how I see it. Playing out.
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Yeah.
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Joe Miller.
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I thought it was a 68 8 week injury. You are correct.
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But if I had to make any assumption, my assumption would be that the Buffalo Bills would put him on.
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I are designated to return.
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I don't think they're gonna hold a roster spot for John Feliciano.
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So my guess is we wouldn't see John Feliciano until at least mid season, even if he was healthy.
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So the reason why I said he was gonna miss half the season despite the fact that he's probably gonna be healthy sooner than that is the simple fact that for the roster space, my assumption is that the Buffalo Bills would put him on.
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I are designated to return now.
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You mentioned Ah, three man group at right guy there between Long and Williams and Winters, and my take here is very similar to my CV to take before E.
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J.
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Gaines opted out three guys.
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All of them, I think, would be like league average.
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I mean, Darryl Williams, his lower body was shot.
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He's coming off of an injury and the injury, but he was once a very good offense of lineman on the right side.
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Brian Williams, our Brian Williams like you, saying Brian Williams, the news anchor from ABC.
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But Brian Winters, the right guard.
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He's had some really highs in his career, he said some high highs in his career.
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But he found a lot of injuries over the past couple of years and you've seen some low lows for him, sort of like you've seen some low lows from Darryl Williams and Spencer Lung is another guy who's been up and down in his career.
00:14:49
So I think the median for for all three of these guys is sort of just league average.
00:14:55
And maybe you'll get a little bit better than that if they're healthy.
00:14:57
So to me, it's sort of a situation where I'm not losing sleep over the like the John Feliciano Feliciano injury, because I think one of these three guys is gonna fill the role adequate.
00:15:10
Like if one of them sucks, Guess what? We got another guy to put in it. That guy sucks.
00:15:14
We got 1/3 guy.
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The Bills essentially have three shots with three guys, so I can't picture them screwing it up three times now.
00:15:23
That being said, one of the points that I brought up that I was most concerned about was backup center, and I said there was a reason last year why John Feliciano kicked inside and Spencer long plate right guard.
00:15:35
It's because the Buffalo Bills didn't trust Spencer Long at center, and that's why I brought up a name like Evan Bean.
00:15:41
But looking at this Brian Winners.
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In addition, maybe it's gonna be Darryl Williams vs Brian winners at right guard, and maybe the Bills are like, All right, Spencer, we need you to put your sole focus in at center.
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And if Mitch Morse was, ah, history of injuries and a history of had problems gets hurt.
00:16:02
You need to be ready to be that pivot because I have said this before and I've gotten flame for it.
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But I honest to goodness believe it.
00:16:09
The center position is the second most important position on the offense.
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It's more important than left tackle.
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It's more important than wide receiver.
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I think that center, the guy who makes the who looks at the defense with your quarterback and makes those offensive line adjustments.
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The guy who you you keep from barrel rushing.
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You know, the defensive tackles in the nose guards from pushing and shutting down your running game, which throws off the flow of your offense center is such an important position.
00:16:34
I think it's more important than left tackle.
00:16:36
In my opinion, I don't think the Bills with the history of injuries that mention wars has want to screw that up.
00:16:41
I wouldn't be surprised if Spencer Long has a new job and his new job is just to not screwed up its center.
00:16:46
And he gets all the reps and second team center and known at right guard.
00:16:50
Yeah, and I'm gonna throw up a common here from an Andrew who's a regular, and this is a very common thing.
00:16:55
This is a very common thing, very Congo take.
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And I think it's a it's a valid take.
00:17:02
Honestly, it's totally valid.
00:17:04
I mean, Darryl Williams before his injury, and I think it was 2018.
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He played two consecutive years at right tackle for the Panthers.
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Ah, believe he started all 16 games both of those years and was a pretty good right tackle for them.
00:17:17
So the history would say that they're a Williams, if healthy and when healthy.
00:17:23
Ah, the best position for him is right tackle.
00:17:26
Um, this is where you're going to get some differing opinions, right? And it's like Is it too early to pull the plug on code Cody Ford at right tackle After just one year after you you came out and said we drafted you to play right tackle or do you see what Darryl Williams brings to the table this year. Health wise.
00:17:43
And if you truly is the best guy for that position, do you put him there from one year, slide Ford over in the Guard and then invest in high draft capital with high draft capital in a true tackle? And I'm not talking about Ah, and I said this in the Chatu.
00:17:58
I'm not talking about some guy who is a tackle, but it may be better suited at guard.
00:18:02
I'm talking about a guy who legitimately is a tackle prospect if you decide to move forward into right guard and throw Williams out there right tackle this year, if that's the case, because if you make that decision and you're the Bills and you're the front office, the Bills, you're pretty much saying, Hey, we said we drafted Cody for the right to play right tackle.
00:18:21
We're admitting that it didn't work out.
00:18:22
We're moving him into right guard.
00:18:24
We think he can better better served the team in the long term.
00:18:27
And we're gonna invest now in a in a true tackle because you and I, you and I have talked a lot about this in draft, Um, crap.
00:18:35
Like the bills value, versatility, blah, blah, blah.
00:18:38
And okay, fine.
00:18:40
But like you going to get to the point where you need someone could play right tackle.
00:18:43
And if it's someone who doesn't have positions like, so be it.
00:18:46
I agree with truth, truth, the hearts fully here, uh, that it is too early to pull the plug.
00:18:51
And that's why I've been banging the drum for Let Cody Ford stay at right tackle this season to see what you have.
00:18:57
You need to let him succeed or fail.
00:19:00
You can't just assume he's gonna fail.
00:19:02
So that's that's my view on it.
00:19:04
Yeah, I mean, and Andrew, you're spot on.
00:19:06
Like I think a lot of people would agree with you that they see Cody Ford is probably just an average right tackle, but a possibility to be an epically good guard.
00:19:16
And I'm one of those people who agrees with you.
00:19:19
But at the end of the day, what we think it's fans and what the coaching staff feels are two completely different things.
00:19:27
And the only way that Cody Ford I'm going defensive solid money on this.
00:19:32
The only way that Cody Ford kicks into right guard is if he completely embarrasses himself at right tackle and continues to on a regular basis.
00:19:41
Because the Buffalo Bills don't even care of Cody, Ford is the best right tackle on their roster current.
00:19:45
He's still going to be their starting right tackle.
00:19:47
You know, I know that the Bills don't care about who the best right tackle on the roster is, and it's gonna be Cody for it anyway, because Ty and ***y didn't start 16 games last year.
00:19:57
If the Buffalo Bills truly cared about who is the best right tackle, Ty and Seki would have started all 16 games last year.
00:20:03
He did, and there was a reason for it.
00:20:05
The Buffalo Bills want Cody Ford toe work at right tackle, and it's going to take a failure of epic proportions for them to admit that mistake and kick him inside.
00:20:15
So to me, I'm willing to bet some pretty decent money that's gonna be Darryl Williams vs Brian Brian Winters at right guard.
00:20:22
Maybe some Spencer long in there, and Cody Ford is going to continue at right tackle, with Ty and Seki bailing him out mid game.
00:20:29
If he needs to, and it would take to at least mid season for the Buffalo Bills to finally say, All right, let's pull the plug now.
00:20:36
If there was a pretty season and Cody Ford was getting embarrassed all preseason, maybe, but guess what? There's no pre season this year.
00:20:43
All the only people they're playing is their own team.
00:20:45
And I don't think Cody for is gonna embarrass himself in a practice that it's gonna take a gang setting for Cody Ford to embarrass himself to a level where he get benches.
00:20:52
Three tackle.
00:20:53
And I don't see that happening before at least mid seas.
00:20:57
Okay, I agree. And nap here.
00:20:59
Ah, from the daily Buffalo uh, newest Ah, one of our newest additions to the network here.
00:21:05
No reason to create unnecessary variants on the O line.
00:21:07
Replace right Garden keeps the other guys in place.
00:21:09
That's true.
00:21:10
Um, you know, we lose Feliciano.
00:21:11
So we're now No, we're no longer in that group of teams who have the same returning starting five.
00:21:17
But if you simply plug and play at the right guard spot and you leave everyone else the same, it does let you leave you some semblance of continuity there, where you're only replacing right guard.
00:21:27
I do think that you know, Ford in and Feliciano probably had a nice chemistry there on the right side.
00:21:33
But that's something I think Ford can can build with someone else this year.
00:21:36
I'm not too worried about that, so I kind of like that, Um, Elliot and ***y was already one of our best.
00:21:42
O Lineman went on the field last year, so we haven't really talked about in Seki as a possible starting Kennedy's.
00:21:46
I mean, use the thirties that their best offense of lineman on the team and one of the biggest things that I have an issue he's literally he's the third best office is very frequent. Spain.
00:21:55
He's better than John Feliciano inspire the narrow Like he he is really good.
00:21:58
If you throw on his tape from the wash when he was with Washington Football Club, arguing arguably, he's a better left tackle, then right tackle, cause he's a pretty agile guy.
00:22:07
I mean, he absolutely embarrassed the likes of Jadeveon Clowney.
00:22:10
So, like the tape is there to show that tie and ***y has a super high ceiling, you know, I've compared use Lorenzo Alexander of offense of lineman.
00:22:17
If you if you look into his backstory, it's absolutely incredible.
00:22:20
I mean, this guy's like 35 35 36 years old and his career.
00:22:23
His career is like rather new, because I he's played like indoor league football and stuff.
00:22:28
But in the time he's had a chance opportunity play, he's shown Flash.
00:22:31
Flash is, I would argue one of the reasons that maybe he struggled last year was because he didn't play consistently.
00:22:36
And as an offensive lineman, you need to get into a rhythm and you could be out there.
00:22:39
And the constant rotation between Cody Ford and Tie and second last year wasn't helping anybody.
00:22:44
Ty and second included.
00:22:45
Now Dion Dawkins proved is worth the left tackle, so I would never suggest taking Diane second over the left tackle.
00:22:52
But I do think he's a better left tackle, then right tackle.
00:22:53
With that being said, he is without a doubt one of your five best offense of lineman.
00:22:57
I think personally that your five best guys should be out there, but I hold harder.
00:23:02
They believe the coaching staff doesn't want him to be a full time player because they are just so scared ****less of Dion Dawkins getting hurt and not having an option at left tackle if Ty and second gets hurt.
00:23:12
Playing right tackle.
00:23:13
Yeah, and in that scenario, I believe what you're saying is your five best offensive linemen are Dawkins, Spain Morse, Ford at right guard.
00:23:20
And in second, everything that would be.
00:23:22
That would be, in my opinion, if the Buffalo Bills were truly putting their best offensive line on the field, that would be their best offense. Flying combination.
00:23:30
Yes, yeah, yeah, so I mean the point you are making earlier about Long kind of plays into this comment that Justin's making your playing much more states healthy.
00:23:39
That's why should be to bubble wrap it all times.
00:23:40
And I think that's another reason why it's like, probably scares the Bills a bit.
00:23:45
You mean you think about how quickly and effectively they retooled that offensive line.
00:23:50
But that scenario where you have those five guys out there, I mean more skits hurt, you know, if in second gets hurt, what you gonna do like you don't like, is Ryan Bates gonna come in and play right tackle like what's gonna happen.
00:24:02
So I do like your opinion.
00:24:04
Your your thought you made earlier with long being the backup center.
00:24:07
And maybe it's a two man race at right guard.
00:24:09
May be long is like 1/3 option in an emergency.
00:24:13
So and we see Brett homes here in seconds.
00:24:16
Ankle injury set him back. He's 1% correct.
00:24:18
So I sort of was being hyperbolic in that statement.
00:24:21
Times like he did have definitely had an ankle injury last year that affected him.
00:24:25
So that is, does need to be taken into account as well.
00:24:28
Um, a Latino guy was coming as well, but you could you could read off.
00:24:32
You know, this kind of gets this hits on a little bit.
00:24:35
What? I was saying it, Feliciano being the enforcer of that offensive line this year and being the guy that had Josh is back, right? Storyline, people, tomatoes.
00:24:41
Feliciano brought the nasty to the old line.
00:24:43
Lots of one of Alan got a cheap shot.
00:24:44
I remember him getting in the mix a few times last year when people were getting on our And one play that comes to mind is that, um there was a late like a somewhat late hit.
00:24:55
I believe in the Thanksgiving game.
00:24:56
If I'm not mistaken where Alan got hit late and they didn't call anything, Felicio came to his back.
00:25:01
So I mean, who is going to be that guy this year? I'll be honest with you.
00:25:06
I think Ford could developed that.
00:25:09
I think Ford could end up developing that like Nasty Streak and being that enforcer guy and maybe since he was a rookie last year and Feliciano was there, he didn't need to.
00:25:18
But maybe this is a year we could see Ford step up and trying to bring that attitude as an enforcer on that line.
00:25:23
He's been working with Lane Johnson all offseason to, so there's something to be said about development like Dion Dawkins.
00:25:29
I know that there were some other, you know, exigent cir***stances there.
00:25:33
The fact that the office of our land around him was New York Jets esque.
00:25:37
It was pretty bad around Dion Dawkins with the year he struggled his second year.
00:25:41
But there is something to be said for development.
00:25:43
We've seen guys like Dawkins get better.
00:25:45
John Feliciano took a while to find himself.
00:25:47
He had a transition from Oakland Buffalo to really come into his own quit in Spain, took him a while to develop like there is something to be said, especially along the office of line in terms of development.
00:25:57
And speaking of development, Ryan sealed to comment here, traders might win the right tackle job in camp.
00:26:02
Listen, I like Trae Adams Mean, you were both on that wagon of drafting a young Officer, Lyman, that we could redshirt for a year and bring along slowly.
00:26:13
But I don't know how many ways I can say this in a cove in short, off season, where you're not gonna be playing any opponents in the preseason where you're only gonna play against your own team.
00:26:22
I highly doubt that any of these UDF phase, whether it's Trae Adams or Reggie Gillam, I doubt any of them make the final roster because it's gonna be super easy for the Buffalo Bills to slip them on the practice squad.
00:26:33
And I just can't see them getting up to snuff quick enough to be able to contribute.
00:26:39
And, you know, I would say if you're putting percentages on it, I think there's about as as much as I like Trae Adams and he could turn into something special.
00:26:47
I'd say I put about a 25% chance he ever becomes even a swing tackle in this league and about a 5% chance he ever turns into above average starters.
00:26:55
He has the possibility to do all those things.
00:26:57
I just think the note that the percentage of it happening is super, super, super low, but it's still exciting to think about.
00:27:02
I just don't think we're gonna see it in 2020.
00:27:05
Yeah, I mean, he's a perfect, perfect guided Teoh pick in the late rounds.
00:27:09
Or do you try to develop as an undrafted? Easy.
00:27:12
You know, high potential Guy was like a really highly thought of prospect a couple of years ago before the injury, and so why not take a chance? But I'm with you.
00:27:20
I think, you know, maybe back up, swing, tackle, or maybe like a right tackle, an average right tackle.
00:27:27
Maybe he's in his future, but it's too early to tell right of self speculation.
00:27:30
So that's a good question Question from Chris cause Ryan Bates, maybe is the for gotten man this Ah entire offensive line.
00:27:37
Not that He's like a superstar by any means.
00:27:40
But the versatility we talk about, what do you guys think about Ryan based chance of making the team? I think he's a Swiss Army knife of the old line that the team likes to.
00:27:47
Have you seen this with, Like but heard in the past? Um, they brought Basin last year.
00:27:52
It was a guy that we liked in the predraft process.
00:27:54
So thoughts from you on my invents I mean, so so So what else mentioned the comment? Section 288 offensive linemen have to be active on GameDay and Ryan Bates seems like the perfect eight or nine off deployment and because I'm not saying he could do any of it well.
00:28:09
But Ryan Bates could legitimately play all five positions in the office if you play left tackle, he could play guard.
00:28:14
He could play center.
00:28:15
You could play right so he could play all five position.
00:28:17
And that kind of jack of all trades guy, it's sort of like Jeremiah circles was a couple of years ago.
00:28:21
He could legitimately play almost every position and have some light now that he's never probably gonna ever played well or even well enough to start in the National Football League.
00:28:29
But he's capable of doing it, which is a lot more to be said then then some other office of linemen, uh, that we could possibly put on the roster.
00:28:35
So he's the perfect guy to have as sort of that 8th 9th guy on your roster.
00:28:39
And I think Ryan Bates's versatility is gonna land him on the active roster because he's even more versatile.
00:28:45
The night bunker, who's really justified despite the fact that he played tackle in college, is really guard guard, center flex.
00:28:52
There really is no tackle flex in the pros for ICT bunkers.
00:28:54
So you know, I'm finding it really hard to find a spot for, like, Buck around the team.
00:28:58
He's gonna have beat out.
00:28:59
Spencer longer have in vain.
00:29:01
Um, you know, despite the fact that the Bills have reassured him for two years now, you know, and that's something to be said.
00:29:06
They clearly like the guy if they'd be willing to redshirt him for so long.
00:29:09
But he stuck practice squad eligibility, but I'm finding it harder and harder to justify a roster spot for Ike Booker and I definitely can think of more reasons why Ryan Bates is deserving of that roster spot.
00:29:19
Especially.
00:29:20
We're gonna keep Spencer long, right? I mean, um, Long Bates Behm.
00:29:25
I mean, that leaves you on the outside looking in of your bunker.
00:29:29
Uh, interesting question from Heather because winter is coming from a New York team.
00:29:33
Is that why he was able to be signed so fast? Being Presser said it was more like a five day process with the required tests.
00:29:38
I my guess is they signed him to a contract electronically, and he's probably gonna have to go through five days of quarantine and five days of testing before he is allowed to join the team.
00:29:48
So I don't know if that affects the way they signed.
00:29:51
My guess is the bill said we don't need to see about We want, um And from what I've read, he had a couple of their office.
00:29:58
So to me, it seems like the bills reached out and said, You don't need to come in here and take a physical.
00:30:02
We trust you.
00:30:03
We want you.
00:30:04
We haven't opening here.
00:30:06
We will sign you. We will give you a contract.
00:30:08
Obviously.
00:30:09
Coming in five days and passing physical and then join the team.
00:30:11
So my guess is he probably won't join the team for five days.
00:30:14
I'm free. Sure, you'd be a lot of signs.
00:30:16
Yeah.
00:30:18
So any last thoughts on the O line? Because Elliott's comment recent comment here is kind of leading us into our next topic.
00:30:24
So maybe we should just get right to it.
00:30:26
Ah, the opt out of E.
00:30:27
J.
00:30:28
Gaines and just the opt out in general deadline, I believe now is officially Wednesday or Thursday.
00:30:35
I think someone said it was Thursday, four PM Joshua Barrett says there's a 4 p.
00:30:38
m.
00:30:40
So thoughts on this Steve opt out.
00:30:43
I actually eso a couple of thoughts.
00:30:46
One was my take this off season that they're kind of like what I said was spent.
00:30:49
So long jump Or, uh, that's along.
00:30:51
Brian Winners and Darryl Williams.
00:30:52
One of them is gonna work out like they're three average up Disappointment.
00:30:55
Josh Norman, Levi Wallace in E. J. Gaines.
00:30:58
They're all average.
00:30:59
They're all average quarters.
00:31:00
One of them is gonna work out, right.
00:31:02
So the bill skins possibly screw it up three times.
00:31:05
Well, now they've only got two chances, so they either got to make Levi Wallace or Josh Norman work.
00:31:10
It appears day after day after day comment after comment for comment that Josh Norman is gonna be the guy is going to his job to lose, Which means Levi Wallace easy.
00:31:18
You're gonna be traded or a depth player.
00:31:19
My guess is more likely.
00:31:20
With E.
00:31:21
J.
00:31:22
Gaines gone eight death players, we're not gonna have the luxury to trade him.
00:31:26
But, you know, it's gonna be tougher for Levi Wallace, cause very frail.
00:31:30
I wonder what his special teams versatility is gonna be.
00:31:33
I don't picture Levi Wallace with his lack with his lack of ability to be aggressive playing inside.
00:31:38
So it's gonna be really I we could specie Levi Wallace inactive a lot where the only time Levi Wallace gets activated is if you know Josh Norman trail like it's hurt.
00:31:46
So we could see a situation like that for lead by walls this year.
00:31:49
But at the end of the day, I think there's a little bit of a blessing in disguise for this and hear me out when I say this.
00:31:54
Um, I think that Josh Norman's on a one year deal, it's clear that the Buffalo Bills do not believe in Levi Wallace.
00:32:02
If the Bills go and decide to draft a cornerback like in the first or second round next year, and put him opposite a tray white.
00:32:10
We now have another year of E.
00:32:11
J.
00:32:12
Gaines at what, like $600,000 to be sort of that veteran insurance policy behind whatever guy we draft next year because Josh Norman is gonna be gone and leave our Wallace's.
00:32:21
Who knows what's gonna go out? Levi Wallace.
00:32:23
He's definitely still got some years on that contract, but E.
00:32:25
J.
00:32:26
Gaines is the perfect guy.
00:32:27
To come in here next year and just be another one of those veteran guys behind was probably gonna be a rookie versus second round draft pick over at the second, the second quarterback spot.
00:32:35
So, to me, it very well could be a blessing in disguise that we just get another guy in a cheap contract next year that he can't play out of that cheap contract.
00:32:41
You can't go on the field this year and earned himself a $3 million contract.
00:32:45
He's gonna be stuck with this 67 or 8000 minimum deal next year.
00:32:48
And he's a good player.
00:32:50
Yeah, and I mean, this could potentially also increased danger, action.
00:32:54
Jackson's chances of making teams.
00:32:56
I think he was probably going to make the team anyway.
00:32:59
But now I think it's Ah, it's a pretty good chance that Jane Jackson is in the mix.
00:33:03
And Akeem King eyes like another recent signing we made.
00:33:06
I'm Seattle played 13 games last year.
00:33:08
Andrew mentions any knowledge on King.
00:33:10
I was just saying Just training.
00:33:12
I mean, yes, yes, The short answer is yes.
00:33:14
But I mean, at this point now, the timing is actually pretty good of E. J.
00:33:18
Gaines opting out, bringing in a keen thing. I think E. J.
00:33:21
Gaines probably a little more talented than King.
00:33:23
But it's not bad to have a guy in that at the same position for a guy who just prompted outs.
00:33:28
And and here's what I will say about from the knowledge of him that I've gathered over the past couple of days.
00:33:38
Special teams ace in Seattle played with you farewell.
00:33:41
So he's got that familiar here.
00:33:42
Familiarity with you feral to play special teams and contribute from what I else I can gather is he's not a boundary guy.
00:33:49
So we talked all offseason about how it was gonna be gains in Norman and Wallace on the boundaries.
00:33:55
And it was going to be Neil and Barlow and Jackson and Johnson on the interior.
00:33:59
And maybe gains would push inside a little bit if I had to guess now, I would probably say a King Knicks probably joins the mix of Toronto, Johnson, DeMarlo and Sarandi along the inside.
00:34:10
And I think this sort of kick stain Jackson outside.
00:34:13
Yeah, so I think where you probably would have seen Dane Jackson compete as it as a nickel guy.
00:34:19
Uh, this season, early in his career, I think you're now going to see him compete as a boundary guy.
00:34:24
So I do think this has a little bit of an effect on the depth of our rosters.
00:34:27
I do think it kicks.
00:34:29
I do think it kicks Dean Jackson.
00:34:30
I do think ink stain Jackson to the perimeter when his initial role probably would have been on the interior.
00:34:37
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I just, like, find myself, like, really liking Dean Jackson.
00:34:41
I hope he actually does something I maybe film this fun is still he's like he's like a big, aggressive Levi Wallace.
00:34:48
Yeah, remember less, uh, like sees like the last offseason before Priest preseason started.
00:34:53
I was like, all in on Jaquan Johnson.
00:34:55
I really wanted him to, like, crush it.
00:34:57
That's kind of like the feeling I have for Dean Jackson this year.
00:35:00
I just want him to be like awesome buddies.
00:35:02
Unfortunately, obviously no preseason to do that, but, ah, yeah, I mundane Jackson fan.
00:35:07
I like his film.
00:35:08
I think he looks great on film.
00:35:10
These competitors, er I mean, hear that from his coaches.
00:35:12
So I like, I like that, um So there are people.
00:35:17
There were some people going back and forth about the the comment section right here daily.
00:35:21
It's point was, is Levi Wallace Robert Foster? But at the end of the day, you know it gives me the most hope for the Buffalo Bills.
00:35:29
Is that Levi Wallace and Robert Foster, both undrafted free agents, in the same utf eight class in the same draft class? And you know what? If Josh Ellen takes the next step this year, um or should I say when? So I don't get flamed anyone.
00:35:42
When Crouch takes the next step this year and they have to pay guys like him and to remain Emmons and Matt Milano and beyond Dawkins and all of these guys knowing that Brandon Beane and Chamakh German can go out and find these guys off the scrap heats, scrap heaps of of draft classes, that's sort of like it makes me feel good.
00:36:02
And it makes me feel comfortable because the likes of Levi Wallace and Robert Foster, those are the types of players that are sort of the unsung heroes on those really competitive teens.
00:36:13
They see competing for Super Bowls year after year after year, because look at all the money the Kansas City Chiefs are paying guys that team is gonna have to draft.
00:36:20
Well, that seem, is gonna have to find UDF A's who who compete on the roster.
00:36:25
Jaquan Johnson is another name.
00:36:28
Ah, guy, really impressive off the bench last year.
00:36:31
Who's the guy who could maybe step in and feel the gym and player in this league at a very low, minimal salary.
00:36:37
So I have an abundance of confidence and Brandon being and Chamakh German to go in and find these players, and it makes me confident.
00:36:44
The future.
00:36:45
I don't know if Levi Wallace, a Robert Foster, have a future here, but I like the fact that being found them, and I'm confident that he could find him again.
00:36:52
Yeah, just like really quick to the moderators.
00:36:55
Um Stephen, Campy own.
00:36:57
Who's a regular of ours.
00:36:59
There's something weird going on with his situation in the comments.
00:37:04
His comments aren't showing up, so I could just ask the moderators really quick while we're still chatting to make sure he's not on any kind of block list because he's, Ah, he's a good regular of ours.
00:37:14
I will make sure his comments get through.
00:37:15
So sorry to cause real quick there.
00:37:18
I just want to mention that, um, everyone see here says if Wallace gets more physical, watch out.
00:37:24
I think his body might be a little maxed out.
00:37:26
I mean, I see I've seen Levi Wallace all offseason.
00:37:29
He's been posting sort of, his journey on social media.
00:37:31
I love his.
00:37:33
I love his mindset, and I love his heart, but I don't know if his body is gonna allow him to pack on that kind of way and still be ineffective.
00:37:39
Football player.
00:37:40
But guess what? I just mentioned it three minutes ago.
00:37:43
I really do think pain Jackson is a more physical, aggressive version of Leave our wallets.
00:37:48
So it's gonna be really exciting to see emptying Jackson can turn into you this sort of player appeared.
00:37:54
Stephen Camp Young The c m p i o N e uh, he messaged me.
00:38:00
Just want to check that and make sure he's good. Yeah.
00:38:02
I mean, Levi Wallace putting on some muscle, like to me, like it's not even really about that.
00:38:08
I mean, it's about his style more than anything, right? I think.
00:38:11
Like, Okay, you could make the argument that if you put on some more muscle, would he be more a little more aggressive when he'd be a little more physical? Yeah, maybe, but at the same time, you Mark, there might already have that Indian Jackson.
00:38:22
Yes.
00:38:23
Levi Wallace is kind of somewhat proven himself over the last two years, so he's gonna have the leg up naturally.
00:38:27
But who knows? Danger.
00:38:29
Axon could be a successor to him.
00:38:30
And maybe you can trade a Levi Wallace.
00:38:32
Like you said, you know we could trade a Robert Foster if there's not a space on the roster for him.
00:38:36
But again, with E. J.
00:38:38
Gaines going down, I think the Bills maybe would err on the side of caution with Norman at the CB two.
00:38:42
And they probably like the idea of the comfort of having Wallace's that backup boundary.
00:38:47
Now it was.
00:38:48
It was pretty exciting this week to see sort of ESPN app shoot out there, alert on the John Feliciano injury and tag Buffalo fanatics in it and get Buffalo fanatics credit.
00:38:58
But to the Robert Foster point, if the Green Bay Packers trade for Robert Foster, I want everyone to tag the Bills.
00:39:05
Guys, I want ESPN app to attack the bills, guys, because we called it two months ago.
00:39:10
So when the Green Bay Packers trade for Robert Foster because that seemed just screams trading for Robert Foster to me when they dio uh, you know, I want I mean, you we want the credit.
00:39:20
Yeah, And when they don't like April, when they don't want crop will crop is 30 seconds out of existence.
00:39:26
Didn't have.
00:39:27
All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is about that time.
00:39:30
There's 40 minutes left.
00:39:32
I want Teoh get on my soap box a little bit about Josh Allen for a minute or two.
00:39:38
And while I do, I want you guys to hit up our common section with your hottest takes, your questions, topics that you guys want to talk about.
00:39:47
And we're gonna hit that the last 20 minutes of the show.
00:39:50
But before that, I want to get on my soapbox about Josh Young because some people have been giving me some hate.
00:39:55
They say, like, Hey, you know, you don't You don't like Josh Ellen.
00:39:59
You hate Josh Ellen.
00:40:00
I've yet to see someone find legitimate proof that I hate Josh Ellen.
00:40:03
That's all I'm saying.
00:40:04
Somebody was certain somebody called me out a week ago, said, I hate Judge Alan.
00:40:07
Hasn't really found me any proof.
00:40:08
What's that? What's that? A new doll.
00:40:10
Josh on behind.
00:40:11
You think I saw him about a and here's what I'll tell you what I love about Josh and one of the reasons that I really do think that Josh Allen is going to hit the mark this year and grow and it has nothing to do with him as a quarterback and has everything to do with him is a human being.
00:40:25
What stood out to me the most one of the most of anything that saw season was a instagram post by John Feliciano last night.
00:40:34
John Felician John Feliciano is sitting there with, like, his arm in a in a rap after his Tauron Peck surgery.
00:40:41
And I think he commented it like, uh, like Daddy, Josh, uh, you know, taking care of me and who walks up behind John Feliciano with the biggest freakin bottle or with the biggest Rick a glass of wine I have ever seen.
00:40:55
Josh Allen like that is that is the kind of guy that Josh Ellen is like his, his teammates.
00:41:00
We saw in the Dallas game on that fourth and one.
00:41:03
It just epitomises who he is, a person who uses a player who he is as a teammate.
00:41:09
I I love that about Josh Allen on, and I know that I criticizes his game a little bit, and I know that I say I want to see him take the next step next.
00:41:18
But I mean, don't get me wrong.
00:41:22
I absolutely love that that aspect of him as a quarterback, I really do think that all you know, 70 guys in that locker room would would do anything for that guy.
00:41:31
And you know, there are.
00:41:33
There are some quarterbacks in this league where that's not the case, and quarterbacks like that, I think can go a long way.
00:41:39
If they can put it all together on the field as well.
00:41:41
There's just that sort of X factor.
00:41:44
Yeah, and look, I mean, we've been burned right in the past.
00:41:48
My quarterbacks, you know, I'll never forget.
00:41:51
For me, it was going into that 2008 season.
00:41:55
Someone asked.
00:41:56
JP lost men in his locker about how he was gonna build on the 20 22,007 year, that he had a good year with Lee Evans, and he made some comment about like Bills Fans love the long ball, and then he just, like, absolutely flopped in 2008.
00:42:09
So Josh Allen has a different feel to him, and pierces is Josh is just different, right? I mean, you get the sense that he's got a quiet confidence about him, but he's still kind of loose, right? He seems always like he's lose.
00:42:22
He's having a good time, and I just hope I mean to Alex's point.
00:42:27
I just hope the expectations aren't going to get too high to the point where it collapses on him.
00:42:31
He doesn't come across as the guy that worries too much about that.
00:42:35
I mean, he even got asked today.
00:42:37
I don't have anyone caught it, But he had, like, a 20 minute press conference for with some of the buffalo media, and I think it was, um, I can't remember who asked.
00:42:45
I think I made him.
00:42:46
Might have been that of a that asked him What does success look like to you, Josh in year three as compared to year two? And he immediately said, like I'm not putting numbers on it.
00:42:56
He's like, I just want to try to get better.
00:42:57
Eliminate mistakes may be better Decision making, you know, be better.
00:43:02
On third down, he made like he made a point to kind of be, uh, you know, take the statistical aspect of it out of it, and you could tell that in his heart he just really wants to win, right? So, um, I think that might get what? Hello? Just Yeah, there we go their way.
00:43:24
You don't to to To Alex's point, I think that probably one of the reasons why Josh Helen's had hasn't gotten so big this offseason.
00:43:33
One.
00:43:34
The reason why he stays so humble and so hungry is because he's got guys like me, you know, keeping him in its place like it's Ah, if Josh Ellen's successful this year, I take full credit because I wouldn't let him get too full of himself.
00:43:48
I wouldn't let him get to himself.
00:43:50
I'm always gonna give Give him something to prove, and Josh will always have me to thank for continually pushing him and pushing him and make him a better quarterback.
00:43:59
So you're welcome, Josh.
00:44:01
But truth the hearts with the nice singer here on 10 and I don't want to spoil anything for Joe because I'll tell you what.
00:44:14
If you're not listening to the overreaction podcast, I need you to listen on Monday because I can already tell based on some of the previews and clips I've been getting, that Joe Miller and his guest on Monday are gonna absolutely blow your mind when it comes to talking about Josh on and when it comes to talking about expectations for quarterbacks, so I'm not gonna blow it for Joe.
00:44:35
But I will tell you if you don't know who Joe Miller is, and you don't listen to the overreaction podcast is, you are going to know what that show is by Monday afternoon because it's going to absolutely blow up. Social Media.
00:44:49
Three expectations high.
00:44:52
Uh, I must have the expectation side he's gonna talk on Monday about the expectations for quarterback.
00:44:57
I don't think Josh Ellen is ever going to be a top five quarterback in the National Football League. I don't.
00:45:02
But I don't think that that's that.
00:45:04
I still think he could win Super Bowls being the top 6 to 10 quarterback, you know, or being a stop 6 to 12 quarterback and the way he plays football and the way we can build on offense around him, I think we can win.
00:45:16
Despite the fact that I don't think the guy's gonna be a future Hall of Famer.
00:45:19
I'm sorry I don't but I still think we can be really, really good with him, and Joe is going to set the record straight.
00:45:25
On Monday, so thank you, Joe, in advance for that.
00:45:28
Ryan's giving you a little sympathy tonight.
00:45:30
Just like because you keep digging yourself a hole.
00:45:33
Really? The viewers air digging the hole for you and throwing you in it.
00:45:36
So, uh, give judge breakouts.
00:45:39
Look, I mean, yeah, I mean, look, he's he lives in Arizona.
00:45:42
He loves Colin Murray.
00:45:43
You can't blame him for that.
00:45:44
I mean, awful.
00:45:46
Oh, says Buffalo fan says Money. The 10th. Yes.
00:45:49
One week from today, your mind will be blown.
00:45:51
I don't mean to get I don't mean to get Joe's heads.
00:45:54
You big Well, here's a Joe.
00:45:56
If you haven't listed him, he's got a great voice and he made the funniest coming before we talk about his voice like, Can we just say like the guys got other attributes to? I mean, Machine of his valise is have used.
00:46:10
Hey, he's got, you know, he's fairly intelligent.
00:46:14
Uh, he's got a little bit of hair on the top, is he's musically inclined, politically inclined.
00:46:20
He's like a really nice person.
00:46:21
He's more than just a voice, guys, he's more than just the voice.
00:46:24
Any super smart, too, so you should listen to him.
00:46:27
Uh, you know, So he knows how to, like, set up microphones when my audio sounds better with each progressing week is because Joe is helping me.
00:46:36
And when Josh Elements Super Bowl, your opinion will change 100 80 degrees.
00:46:40
Your **** ready.
00:46:41
Well, you are never right.
00:46:44
Uh, no, she did.
00:46:45
It's a kiss on.
00:46:46
This was Yeah, he did.
00:46:48
Jo Jo dropped a lot of superlatives about his voice on this tutorial video he made for us here at the network in, um, you know, that's another thing.
00:46:57
His vocabulary is.
00:46:59
Ah, is something to behold.
00:47:00
So, uh, we really love Joe Miller, So we just We're just giving him a hard time judge.
00:47:07
When you find yourself in such a deep hole, put down the shovel.
00:47:10
So all right, we I think our time now to open it up to you and a for the rest of the show.
00:47:18
Wait.
00:47:20
About 15 20 minutes left to go.
00:47:22
So we're gonna open it up to Q and a, um, I want to go back.
00:47:27
Teoh comment The question that trick reviewer had from earlier as the other questions start coming in.
00:47:34
So if there's no college season shortened season.
00:47:36
Could you see the Bills trading a 2nd 3rd round for maybe Trent Murphy? Tyler Eifert, Dawkins For Gilmore, it looks like they're not trading Gilmore.
00:47:43
But I think the question is more around.
00:47:45
With no college season, could you potentially see the Bills trading anything at this point for getting an established player? I think it's kind of the route we're going with this question, likening GAC way or something like that.
00:47:58
With the salary cap situation being what it is.
00:48:01
I doubt it on, and not to mention listen, it's it's going to be a huge flow.
00:48:05
It's gonna be a huge blow if there isn't a college football season.
00:48:09
Our college football season is a shell of itself.
00:48:11
But another thing that we have to understand is like these guys have been scouting some of these some of these players since they were in, like Pop Warner.
00:48:19
I mean, they know these guys are when they come on a high school, they know who they think.
00:48:24
They're asking questions to coaches when they go visit, and they're looking at juniors and seniors.
00:48:28
They're looking at freshman and sop****re, too, and they're talking to coaches about freshman sop****re, and I'm sure that they have draft boards 23 years into the future and names on lists.
00:48:38
So will it be different? Will it be a challenge? Yes, but I know for a fact that Brandon being and Dan Morgan and Joe Shane the way that some of these guys grind.
00:48:47
They understand to quote the players that are in college now and sort of the way they could impact a football game.
00:48:54
Would it look different? Would it be different? Yes.
00:48:56
Could I see them treating maybe middle round picks? Yes, but I just don't think you'd see them training for big money players because I don't think we're in that place in that place of roster building, especially the salary cap is going down.
00:49:09
We got too many guys of our own to pay.
00:49:11
Yeah, this is a question that's come up Ah, little bit over the last few days and social media, the Antonio Brown news of him getting suspended.
00:49:20
But, I mean, our guy Pierre, uh, the kingpin.
00:49:25
He's got some thoughts on a B, and he thinks it wouldn't be crazy if let's say the bills are making a deep run do the bills consider at all trying to sign a B two point? Oh, after we obviously signed him two off seasons ago, and it never happens.
00:49:42
That was a little facetious there, but I'm just going on my head.
00:49:46
I'm not even gonna answer the question.
00:49:48
Feel free to touch on this if you want, but I am not.
00:49:52
I would not I don't think unique.
00:49:54
I I want I don't think you need to.
00:49:57
I mean, look, I'm not gonna deny a be ast talent.
00:50:00
I think he probably goes down as well, like a top 10 wide receiver in NFL history, even if he doesn't never play again.
00:50:06
Um, and but I just don't think that's that doesn't seem like the thing the Bills would do.
00:50:12
Um, probably felt like they got burned a little bit last time when, you know, the reports were that they were trying toe trying to get him, and so I just don't see it happening especially.
00:50:20
Or is that off? The pier says Yes, I like I said, So there's only one ball we got.
00:50:25
Really? Remember, there's only one fault we gotta get Stefon Diggs of all we gotta get John Brown the ball.
00:50:28
I'm not too worried about the Cole Beasley injury, but let's bring up the Let's bring up the Colby's injury.
00:50:34
Colby's is on that.
00:50:35
If I right now with another back injury, and I saw way too many people on Twitter talking about gave Davis time to shine, gave Davis slot receiver gave Davis in a slot receiver, folks.
00:50:46
So if Cole Beasley goes down, I think you're looking at a situation where Isaiah Hodgins would step in.
00:50:52
Duke Williams stepping in.
00:50:53
Isaiah Mackenzie, Andre Roberts.
00:50:55
These are the guys who would float in the slot if Cole Beasley was hurt.
00:50:59
If Gabe Davis work to make it on the field because of a cold Beasley injury, it's because they've rotated John Browner, Stefon Diggs inside and put Game Davis on the boundary.
00:51:08
I mean, when gave Davis was drafted, first thing Daniel Jeremiah said was you know what the University of Central Florida did with game Davis.
00:51:16
They put a one yard from the sideline and let it run down the field, and he's a really good player, like down the field, 63 to 20.
00:51:21
Great body control is really good at stacking corners and getting open down the field.
00:51:25
But right now he's a one trick pony wide receiver and that tricking running routes, which is not something that really bodes well for you in the slot.
00:51:32
So if Kobe's injury is serious, I think you're either going to see digs and Brown step inside if you want.
00:51:39
Keep Davis on the field or Hey, I said, That's what three weeks, two weeks ago, I say Hodgins, baby pageants What they say, Hodgins.
00:51:47
He's the better receiver than he's a better receiver than game Davis right now, period, and a story like, In my opinion, he's better than gave Davis.
00:51:55
But the key word here is right now.
00:51:58
I think he's a more.
00:51:59
I think he's more NFL ready.
00:52:00
But the ceiling is nowhere near that of gave Davis's Because game Davis has the physical.
00:52:05
Yep, piers not happy with all the A B hate, but he seems to be getting gang up on now.
00:52:10
We've drawn the attention off of you and I want appear, but that's not gonna last, because that, Carlisle says, does Brian.
00:52:17
I'll tell you what does.
00:52:18
Brian looks pretty good.
00:52:19
I'm surprised nobody's giving him a shot I personally wouldn't give him a shot because I think we're like, 15 deeper receiver right now.
00:52:24
I love every single receiver on this roster like I don't want to cut any of them.
00:52:28
Nick easily include Huge snake usually stand here, but, uh, does Bryant, with his dad Prescott workouts, has been looking incredible.
00:52:36
I'm surprised no one has really given him a shake yet.
00:52:40
Do you guys think there will be less players being signed off? Other teams practice squads or cut lists? I guess taking because Andrew Miller said DK was a one trick pony to work.
00:52:51
Ever see out? Yes, he did.
00:52:54
But guess what D came back for? Three.
00:52:56
Because guess where DK Metcalf never played never played the slot, but he also reflected this lot.
00:53:02
He was always on the boundary.
00:53:04
He was always on the boundary, which is what they would have to do with game.
00:53:08
Game is if it was cold, easily injured, it would have to be.
00:53:11
Browner takes moving inside and he was going out.
00:53:14
I mean, it was better than, ofcourse he's running.
00:53:17
He's right.
00:53:18
He's right.
00:53:19
You're not wrong here. You're not wrong.
00:53:21
Like no one's gonna sit here and say A B is a bad player, but one he's suspended eight games and two that.
00:53:28
Come on, come on like digs won't be happy about it.
00:53:32
I just I don't want to take myself into an even deeper hole and say something stupid, but, like I I'm not gonna touch it.
00:53:39
But I I'm not a big fan of the guy.
00:53:41
We'll move on to another question.
00:53:43
Do you guys think there be less players? Sign off other teams practice.
00:53:46
What's your cuts? We're making it.
00:53:47
Five States players has Kobe testing this season, So this kind of gets the words and a campus Guys are getting cut.
00:53:53
Um, moving, getting moved, practice squads.
00:53:55
Do you think they're leave? Do you think? I mean, to be honest with you, there's not a ton of guys each year that get cut that would have cleared waivers, goto a practice one and then get immediately signed by another team.
00:54:08
It doesn't happen too often, even in a normal cir***stance.
00:54:11
So I don't know that this is gonna change all that much.
00:54:14
Do you have any thoughts on this one? I mean, I don't think it's going to be all that different than then we see most years.
00:54:20
No, Uh, I think of anything.
00:54:22
You're right. I think you'll be easier.
00:54:24
My biggest fear is because I love as a Ajit.
00:54:27
I think I say Hodgins a really good football player.
00:54:29
And I think one of my one of my biggest fears right now is that the Buffalo Bills think they can sneak some guys under the practice.
00:54:40
What, and cut them loose.
00:54:42
And Isaiah Hodgins is number one on my list.
00:54:44
I really hope that the Buffalo Bills, like, make a decision that tight end to cut Lee Smith and keep a Tommy Sweeney and only three tight ends.
00:54:52
I hope they make the cut somewhere in order to roll with seven wide receivers because I really don't want to lose a guy like Isaiah Hodgins.
00:55:00
I would rather cut a Duke.
00:55:01
Williams, I think, would be easier to get a Duke Williams into a practice spot, and it would be in Isaiah audience.
00:55:05
But you mentioned in season Yeah, in season is gonna be tough, right? Because like you said, you're gonna have to have five days.
00:55:11
It's not gonna be like now where we sign of Brian winters, and we could wait five days from to come in like you're gonna have to be signing a signing.
00:55:17
A guy with the expectation.
00:55:20
Probably that he's not gonna play until that game after, If you sign him early in the week.
00:55:23
The week prior.
00:55:24
So yeah, Maybe in that regard, there would be fewer situations like that.
00:55:30
Um, Pierre, still going on a B, But I'm gonna go ahead and pass on those that Sorry, Pierre, are we in the conversation with chiefs and Ravens now for a SEC championship? If not what are being missing? Um, I also think he probably need to throw Houston still into that mix, even though, um, you know, they you know, they lost the Chiefs in the playoffs last year.
00:55:52
There's not really a ton that I could say that.
00:55:55
Ah, you know, at this point would say that we're even, you know, ahead of Houston.
00:56:00
I mean, they they did beat us.
00:56:02
They did, you know, win their division.
00:56:04
Um, so I mean, I think those are the four teams, if you're gonna ask me, and I also wouldn't count out the Steelers quite yet, So I think we're probably right in that that makes in that 3 to 5 range in the A f.
00:56:16
C.
00:56:17
I think it's clearly the Chiefs and Ravens at the top.
00:56:19
And then I think after that, you know, you could make the case for us.
00:56:22
For the Steelers, for the Texans, the Titans are still going to be a pretty solid team.
00:56:27
Um, you know, who knows what the Colts are going to be like with Philip Rivers at the helm this year? So I mean, there's there's some some good teams in the FC, but I put us right up there in that 3 to 5 range right now.
00:56:38
And they have seen for the season starts.
00:56:41
Yeah, I mean, if you look at it on paper, the Buffalo Bills have one of the best rosters in the A F. C.
00:56:49
I think the Ravens and the cheese probably have better rosters and in totality with the Bills are right up there with the rock with outside the quarterback position.
00:56:56
The Bills are right up there with the Chiefs, the Ravens.
00:56:58
So what are we missing? Were missing the Our quarterback hasn't taken the next step.
00:57:04
Baltimore's quarterback to pack stuff.
00:57:05
You won the M v P.
00:57:07
Yes, he scored back to back stop after winning.
00:57:09
You won't have the P two years ago, right? 50 Teoh.
00:57:12
After winning the MVP two years ago, you went, He came back.
00:57:14
Anyone suitable? So you know what we're missing right now? Is the quarterback taking that next step? So Josh Ellen takes the next step this year, and we're not one of the best teams in the in the A F C.
00:57:27
It means something went seriously wrong, whether it be on defense or injuries or something because of Josh, Allen comes out.
00:57:33
Scores like 40 touchdowns this year, and we're not one of the best teams in the NFC East.
00:57:38
What happened? Did the whole defense did hold the funds get hurt like what the heck went wrong? So I'd say that two things holding the Buffalo Bills back Right now, I'm not saying this like Mike Lombardi says this.
00:57:50
I'm not saying in a Mike Lombardi tone, but where I say that that the problem will never be fixed.
00:57:56
But the only problem is our quarterback hasn't taken the next step yet.
00:57:59
I fully expected to.
00:58:00
And the other problem, I think could be Brian Table.
00:58:03
I really like.
00:58:04
We haven't talked about this yet, and I want to talk about this a little bit on Thursday.
00:58:07
I want to talk about Brian Table because there are some running backs in this back field.
00:58:12
Devin Singletary, Zach Boss, T J.
00:58:13
Yeldon and I was having a conversation gushing my body Mr Feeling on the Yang pod for the for the for the daily Buffalo.
00:58:19
And we started talking about running backs, and he talked about how he was really disappointed.
00:58:23
The Buffalo Bills didn't use T.
00:58:24
J Yeldon properly last year that having a guy who catch the ball of the backfield would've been really nice for for Josh Allen last last year.
00:58:32
And I talked about how I don't want to see Zach Moss used like Frank Gore, because I think Zach Moss can be so much more than what a 30 hump, 39 year old, 38 year old, 36 year old whatever, Frank or Waas.
00:58:44
So, Brian table still out here being an absolute idiot with his running backs, we're probably not gonna be able to move the ball between the 35 in the 50 this year like we weren't able to last year.
00:58:56
I think justice, as inconsistent as Josh Allen might about, is inconsistent as our receivers might have. Emerson Drive's.
00:59:02
We also didn't know how to call the game properly, and we're using our running backs completely wrong after midfield, like completely wrong.
00:59:09
So if Brian Table doesn't get his head out of his ass, that's another reason why the Buffalo Bills won't be ableto with with the likes of the Ravens and the Chiefs, who have Andy Reid and great Roman calling plays who are sure when they could do it.
00:59:21
And they could do it really well.
00:59:23
And, you know, and I'm getting some flak in the comment section about Houston and I get it, they lost nuke and they have Bill Brian.
00:59:28
Still, it's their coach was just always interesting.
00:59:30
But, you know, you mentioned the quarterback.
00:59:32
You mean the teams I mentioned Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson to Sean Watson.
00:59:37
You know Philip Rivers, uh, you know, Ben Roethlisberger becomes back like Josh Ellen Celesta prove he's better than all those guys.
00:59:45
So I don't think you can count Houston out just quite yet.
00:59:48
This is an interesting question, and Houston still has like a solid trio of receivers.
00:59:52
They got cob.
00:59:53
They got fuller.
00:59:54
They got Kiki Q T.
00:59:56
They added a bunch of guys.
00:59:58
They have a very you know they have David Johnson, so not knock their moves all you want.
01:00:03
But I legitimately think you're going to see Bill O Brien run a spread offense this year, and they have the ponies to run a spread offense and the Sean Watson Rohana spread offense very well in college.
01:00:12
So, um, I think you're going to see a little bit different oven offense from Houston this year.
01:00:17
I think you're going to see them go legitimate spread.
01:00:19
So that's really that I think could take a lot of people by surprise, and I'm not saying they're perfect by any means.
01:00:25
They gave up one of the top five best players National police, and they got like a middling running back in return.
01:00:32
But the guys that they got in return and the guys that I didn't free agency kind of sort of fit the direction.
01:00:38
I think they're going on offense so they could surprise some people, not saying long term.
01:00:42
They'll be good not saying that defense is gonna be any good with Anjali Weaver now leading the show, and Bill O Brien still a friggin moron like.
01:00:49
But you still got that going for Yeah, he's got that.
01:00:52
He's the he's Adam Gaze with a weird chin.
01:00:55
Um, so you know, But at the end of the day, I still do you think that they could surprise some people, do what they do every year, like a 9 10 win team.
01:01:07
So you you've had a few seconds here and now think about this as he read the question.
01:01:12
Who is the most overrated quarterback in the league will say going into this season.
01:01:16
And who is the most underrated? Um, this is an interesting question.
01:01:22
I will say, I'm gonna I'll give you my most overrated first.
01:01:26
Okay? I think I need a full roster.
01:01:30
I'm going.
01:01:31
I'm going off memory here, and just like what I think it would popped into my head.
01:01:34
I think the most overrated quarterback going into this year is Jimmy G.
01:01:39
I just I don't you know, I don't I don't think he's bad, right? I don't think he's bad, so I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback.
01:01:46
But I do think he's maybe a little bit overrated.
01:01:48
I don't think he really showed up in big moments.
01:01:50
I mean, you talk about that ST scheme last year where George Kittel did all the work down the sideline to that like Dawson, not Knox s play.
01:01:59
Didn't think Jimmy G had the you know, he didn't have a great Super Bowl.
01:02:03
So I do think you maybe he's a little overrated.
01:02:04
And the only reason I'm saying he's overrated because San Francisco is, you know, it's just one of the Super Bowl favorites.
01:02:09
So, um, that Prescott Pierce's Dak Prescott? I don't know if he's overrated.
01:02:15
He's he's he is maybe a little bit overrated.
01:02:18
So I'll give him that, um, back and Jimmy, Do you? I guess, Or two good options here, you know, And everyone's making good point.
01:02:26
Josh could be the most underrated in the league.
01:02:29
Um, but as Faras, like, ever talked were taking Josh out of the equation, which I do agree he is one of the more underrated quarterbacks in the league.
01:02:38
Um, let me think.
01:02:40
Who will be another underrated? Do you have anyone for overrated? While I think a bit for? On underrated.
01:02:46
I have three names that I'm considering.
01:02:48
Okay, But I'm gonna go big because my other two miler to or Teddy B and Ryan Tannehill I just don't know if those are big enough names.
01:02:55
Um, almost a Drew Brees.
01:02:58
I think one of the more statistically you're gonna say Tom Brady.
01:03:01
No, I'm gonna go with Drew Brees because you know what? Like he's a quarterback who don't get me wrong.
01:03:07
I'm not trying to knock Drew Brees.
01:03:09
I love his game.
01:03:10
I love you know, he's he's won a Super Bowl.
01:03:13
But I always feel like I want to see is a product of the system.
01:03:17
But I always feel like there were limited the reason why the Saints couldn't get over the hump all of these years, since they won that last trouble.
01:03:25
It's not all on the defense.
01:03:27
It's not all on.
01:03:28
Look, I really do you think that you know some of the intangibles that Josh Allen have with the size of his arm and his running ability? These are things that, like Drew Brees just doesn't have.
01:03:36
Like he's forced to be in that pocket, and I sort of feel like that Oh baby holds the New Orleans Saints back a little bit.
01:03:43
E think there's a reason why Sean Print Peyton brings brings tight tasted Hill out as much as he does because he's looking for something different because you're agrees is so one dimensional.
01:03:52
Now you know, the guy's a freakin Hall of Famer, you know, and he's won a Super Bowl, so I don't know how overrated I can call him.
01:04:01
But I always felt like, you know, a quarterback of his stature should have Dunmore with their career, and maybe he's still got a chance this year.
01:04:09
But I'm gonna go Drew Brees.
01:04:12
Okay, Uh, I have the right home underrated underrated mind stair car.
01:04:18
Yeah, I was going to say and like someone.
01:04:20
Ah, someone said it in here.
01:04:23
Kristen.
01:04:24
I think that Stafford's underrated.
01:04:25
Like Iceman Stafford's my favorite quarterback.
01:04:30
He's I've always liked Matt Stafford.
01:04:32
Uh, he was the quarterback on my fantasy team in 2011 when he threw those uh, 43 touchdowns.
01:04:39
It's Calvin Johnson on the team, and I want it.
01:04:41
So I always have a soft spot in my heart for Matt Stafford.
01:04:45
Um, you know, he's an Iron Man to man.
01:04:48
He never misses games like the dude is tough.
01:04:51
He's got He's just you think about those teams he was on were like they could just never had a running game.
01:04:57
It was all him.
01:04:58
So I really like, I do like Stafford.
01:05:00
I think he's underrated.
01:05:01
And I like your pick there to of, um, you know, uh, of breeze being overrated.
01:05:06
I think that that's Ah, that's a big name.
01:05:08
And I think there may be some truth to that this year.
01:05:11
He's gonna follow eventually, right? All right, ladies jumping were at the hour, 5 march.
01:05:15
So unless any questions come here in the final seconds, that'll that'll just about just about do it for us tonight make sure that you, uh, you know, check out the both with an ex podcasting network Code of conduct pod drops on Wednesday.
01:05:30
NFL ba*****t Thursday.
01:05:32
Hope Podcast Friday.
01:05:34
Bills overdue on Saturday, maybe.
01:05:36
You know, once you roll through your buffalo fanatics podcasts, check out the daily buffalo.
01:05:41
There's ah, certain guy.
01:05:43
Uh, there's a certain guy who was an afternoon show on the daily buffalo called The Daily Drive drops every day at 12 PM.
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It's usually 2020 to 30 minutes of Buffalo sports talk daily for your ride home from work.
01:05:55
There's a bunch of other great shows in the daily Buffalo network as well.
01:05:57
So once you roll through all of your buffalo fanatic stuff, head over the daily buffalo and uh um, first he loves Murray. Now you listen.
01:06:06
How about like I can I can like other quarterbacks, It's OK.
01:06:11
So I I've said this before.
01:06:13
I hope.
01:06:14
I hope Josh Ellen's, I hope Tosh Ellen can become is good as as Mets effort, because I think that Matt Stafford, the reason why he's underrated, is because he's played for a franchise that has completely misused him for for a decade.
01:06:27
Like if Matt Stafford was drafted to another franchise, if Matt's effort was drafted to an organization with vision and brains and intellect, which is not something that the Fords possesses, owners of the Detroit Lions.
01:06:41
I think that there's a lot of owners you can say that for in the Fords defense, um, you know, I think that I think that's that there could be a multiple Super Bowl winner if he was drafted to the right situation.
01:06:53
Now that's completely hyperbolic statement.
01:06:55
I have no facts to support that evidence, but it's just like a gut feeling I have, because if you if you ever watch that guy playing football, he's got all the tools and when he's got the supporting cast and he's healthy food, you look so good out there.
01:07:07
And that scene didn't have a running game for so long.
01:07:10
And, uh, you know now they got Patricia running into the ground and tell me you wouldn't You wouldn't want to be in a huddle with that guy, man.
01:07:17
He he is an iron man.
01:07:19
He just never misses time. He's so tough.
01:07:21
He's a great leader.
01:07:22
I mean, great guy, but Josh Allen could be, he's got.
01:07:28
He's got a lot of massive effort to him because it's that one point that sticks out his rookie year, right? We're mad.
01:07:33
Staffer like, threw the ball to the goal line and got smoked because of his rookie year, and they had no offensive lineman.
01:07:39
They were coming off that own 16 season, and he bluntly I think, broke his collarbone or separated shoulder and he walks over the sidelines, pops it back in and he goes in and throws the game winning touchdown two plays later as time expires.
01:07:51
I mean, that's just Iron Man.
01:07:53
Leadership personified.
01:07:55
And he also can chug a beer.
01:07:56
So, uh, that's something in our quarterback have in common.
01:08:00
Oh, yeah.
01:08:01
So we'll appreciate all the nice comments tonight.
01:08:04
We hope everyone had a good time in this show.
01:08:06
God, we got Stephen back in.
01:08:08
Not sure what happened, but glad he's back.
01:08:10
So definitely appreciate all the comments.
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Really good chatter tonight.
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I have some local local beers in my fridge right now.
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I think that about does it for tonight.
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Shall we let your followers I have two followers on my you tube page.
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Uh, my side of the page today, I was gonna say, Are they like Mom's that have a crush on you or something? No, they just meals.
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And as always, of course.
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Right? Uh, Rico was on two days in a row.
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So, uh, invade, humid, Mr.
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Mathis, by the way, as people are leaving because they're leaving in droves now because we this is the longest sign off of all time.
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The Buffalo Buffalo fanatics teaching and become a brew meister.
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I guess, uh, we'll get we'll take We'll take ideas for beer names.
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How about that of the, uh, between shows? So all right, ladies, jump until next time.
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Go bills, go bills.
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00:00:15
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the Bills guys presented by Buffalo fanatics.
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My name is Steve Mathis, the guy from Phoenix.
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You can find me on Twitter at Judge Mathis.
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I'm joined, as always by my co host and the I should say, the Iron Man of the Bills guys, because I missed an episode last week and he was year.
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Dave tell you confined him on Twitter at Tilt Money and we are already up into the forties.
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I think that's just Facebook do in terms of the viewer count that we can see.
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So as you roll and hit us up in the comments section, let us know you are here and let's get this party started because I'll tell you what.
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I'm feeling feisty tonight, folks.
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I got my support, your local brewery shirt on.
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I am supporting my local brewery and I'm ready after jets highlight of the week.
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This is this is lazing Tillman F.
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The Justice week because the jets are making moves and it is it's getting, it's getting it's getting rough in in the metal lands.
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Did you see that? They also cut Quincy and don't want today to? Yeah.
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I mean, look, Quincy and Noon.
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Uh, I'm a fan of his.
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I think he's a He's a good player.
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He just could never He's like, there he's like, their version of time across.
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Maybe you could just never stay on the field.
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Um, but yeah, I did see that quick shadow to the guys in the house already tonight.
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If the Jets you mentioned Elliott is in the house, Brett is in the house.
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Are guy Joe? Joe Miller is in the house.
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Christian key in the house.
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Ah, Andrews in the house.
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So we've got a lot of regulars in already, and we'll be sure to shout you guys out as you come in and comments Be sure to do so we can show you out that you are in the room.
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Yeah, and I'll tell you what.
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Let's start with the tire fire that is the New York Jets.
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Through the hearts in the room as well.
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Well, they traded.
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They traded Jamal Adams, which, you know, you could say it was a good deal for them.
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But CJ Mosley, the second he saw that Jamal Adams Street hops out, you know, citing family reasons.
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I'm not gonna judge all that things, But honestly, a little bit of me thinks that he's just gonna wait out.
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Adam Gays.
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Now comes the news that they're cutting Brian winners and the bills have signed him that they're cutting Quincy and none wa It almost looks to me like the New York Jets, despite the fat.
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Like you could have made an argument a week and 1/2 ago that the New York Jets were threats to the Buffalo Bills in the A f C East.
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I'm not saying it was the most silent of arguments, but you could make an argument looking at their roster that that they're a decent team, like they have some good players.
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But now they're cutting players left and right.
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Adam gazes still their head coach, do we even remotely have to worry about the Jets right now? Hey, man, maybe I was Ah, Nostra Thomas There, back when we did the, uh, the pie, the pie slicing for percentage chance.
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Each team is gonna win the division.
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Now, I had I think I have the jets down at 15% or something like that back then and now you could make the case.
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It's less than 15%.
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After all this going on with the opt outs.
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Um, that defense doesn't really have any playmakers now, Um, look, they you know, they've tried to put some stuff around Sam Donald on offense now with Mims and they drafted Beckton, but they still living on Bill.
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But like that team, if you just look at it top to bottom, probably is the worst roster in the entire division.
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Um, outside of the quarterback.
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So, uh, yeah, I think that the Jets are a tire fire right now, but, um, we just got to hope that Adam Gaze is still the guy.
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Ah, you know, maybe still the guy all season and even in the next season, we've seen, um that Ah, you know, Joe Douglas obviously had a history with him, but who knows what could happen after this season? Heating higher? Adam Gay Skase was there first, So let's hope that tire fire continues.
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I mean, if you, uh if you made your way over to the fiery pit that is fan cited in your Google searches today, there was an article from one of the dolphins reporters saying that no one now stands in the Dolphins way.
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So maybe maybe we have the Dolphins Teoh worry about.
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But, uh, you know, Alec with a great comment.
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I wonder how jealous Sand Arnold is Josh Allen.
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And let's talk about this for a second because you look at this Buffalo Bills roster.
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Stefon Diggs, Cole Beasley, John Brown, Zach Moss.
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Dawson knocks Devin Singletary.
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The entire starting five minus now John Feliciano on the office of line coming back.
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But the added Darryl Williams.
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They have tie in Seki.
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And for the first time ever, a guy was released and he didn't go to the Dallas Cowboys in the New England Patriots.
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He signed with the Buffalo friggin bills.
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I mean, the say what you want and we'll get into the conversation about Brian Williams, Brian Winters in a moment.
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But, I mean, come on, it.
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Is there any team that is putting their RUC put their rookie quarterback in their young quarterback in a better position than the Buffalo Bills? I mean, seeing Donald has to be absolutely fuming, despite the fact that New York is a bigger market, that he was drafted to that player fire franchise.
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I mean, Sam Donald probably is a little bit jealous just seeing it.
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And it's not even just about personnel, right at this point.
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It's about the organisational culture, right? Because the Jets have always been kind of a John Paul Quetta, thank you, mostly after doubts when he comes back next year, case camps like, Yeah, I think I think I saw a few people make that comment and it's not Ah, it's not a totally writing is outrageous cutting guys, they're there.
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They're playing for a draft pick.
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But getting back to what I was saying about Donald, it's like, Look, the personnel is one thing, right? And you could say what you want, Joe Douglas, Like what he's been able to do, I think Joe Douglas in the vacuum for the team.
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He's drafted pretty well. From what we can tell.
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He's got the two first round picks in return for Jamal Adams.
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But right now, this year, 2020 this Jets team with Adam gaze at the helm.
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I mean, it is a It is a bit of a dumpster fire, right? And I think that, you know, we know it's well do***ented that the A F.
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C East has a very tough schedule all around for a strength of schedule.
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It's gonna be tough for Sam Donald.
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He's gonna have a rookie receiver, Denzel Memes there, which is fine.
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And he's got, you know, Jamison Crowder, Levian Bells, A nice player.
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But like who's blocking for him, right? I mean, so like Donald.
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I mean, and you could tell even that times last year you could you could tell Levy on.
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Bill was getting frustrated with the situation running into brick balls.
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And I My hat's off to lady on because he got a bad rap for holding out and, like, missing the entire season the season before.
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But that guy didn't say a word last year.
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He didn't say anything.
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The media, he just kept, he just kept going.
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And so, yeah, it's it's going to be interesting.
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And he's got a feel a little just if you think about it, what what other team like you said, has this situation around there, you know, second, like, let's just say, third year or less, quarterback, right? I don't know that there is a better situation.
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Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it's it's literally polar offices, because now I almost feel like the Buffalo Bills are like, All right, Josh, you sewn some promise we're gonna surround.
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You were gonna surround you with talent to see if you can take that next step.
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And you know, then obviously over time, we're gonna have to take some of those pieces away.
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But hopefully by then your game will have developed to a point where you could make the other get the guys around you better.
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The Bills are taking that sort of approach.
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Josh Allen surrounding it with a ton of weapons under his rookie deal.
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It almost seems like the Jets are pulling a full 18 And Underdog was He realizes cases and the guy and he stuck with gays.
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And it's almost like the Jets are going into the season with this approach cut.
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Winners cut. Unknown walk.
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All right, this is cases last year. The writing is on the wall.
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Moses gone. Adams is gone.
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It's almost like they're like, All right, Santa Arnold.
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If you flail out and we have a top 33 pick, we very well might replace replace you with, you know, train lands or Trevor Lawrence adjusting fields we very well might make.
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Make the decision and pulled the trigger to replace you.
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Or Sand Arnold, if you manage to overcome all of our bull**** and still on your own, managed to become a quarterback.
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Despite all the ways we've tried to stop you from becoming a good quarterback, well, then we'll draft Amar Chase and give you a weapon.
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Finally, like that.
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Almost seems like that's the Jets approach.
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And it's just the polar opposite of the Buffalo Bills approach.
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And that's just such a such a freak in New York City approach.
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You know, I'm saying it's just, uh I should even say New York say that such a New Jersey approach.
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I think they have a lot of garbage dumps in New Jersey, right? Oh, my God, Yeah, they do.
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And to be honest with you, like I'm gonna like, don't hate me for saying this, but I kind of feel bad for Sam.
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Donald.
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I like Sam.
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Donald, I It seems like a good guys friends with Josh.
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I mean, their rivals kisses girls.
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I mean their rivals on the field, but they say he seems like a good guy and like I kind of feel bad from now.
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I don't feel bad for the Jets as a team, so don't Don't get me get Don't get my words twisted there.
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I'm fine seeing the jets Jets.
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Ah, crash and burn.
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Thank you, Piers for that.
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This is at the be a fan shop for those who, um, who are interested, Probably just me.
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But that's okay.
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Uh, I think my mom has one.
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Well, yeah. Miss Mathis.
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Thank you for buying that Bills, guys sweatshirt, but yeah, I mean, I kind of feel bad for Sam.
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Donald.
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I mean, the Jets are taking a very, like, sort of opposite approach.
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They're taking the approach that you would take.
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It's not even the same approach, but they're treating him as if he's like this established veteran, and they can just like he can elevate the team.
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And he's not at that point yet.
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We're talking about this for Josh Allen.
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Eventually, the scales are gonna have to tiptoe where he's going to have to be the one elevating guys around him when the cap situation kind of flips and he gets that second contract versus now where he's on that rookie contract, and he's got the the superstars, if you will around him, that are elevating him up into that next echelon.
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So they're kind of doing that opposite move in New York, where they're like they don't even have the upper echelon guys there.
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So they're just going to say, Okay, Sam, Donald, you're gonna have to elevate this team on your own.
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We'll see what happens next year when we have two first round picks and it's it's kind of like not the approach I would take.
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So all right, let's shift their focus now from the tire fire in the Meadowlands.
00:10:33
Teoh what looks to be a promising roster here in Buffalo Now the Buffalo fanatics legitimately broke the John Feliciano story wide open.
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You always you know, you hate to see a guy and get hurt.
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You hate to see a guy like John Feliciano get hurt a que tres to the Buffalo Fanatics team making me look good cause they let me write the article that John Feliciano is going to miss probably half the season, at least with with his torn pectoral muscle.
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And I wrote this nice article, and in the article, I didn't really eloquent job.
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I think of laying out all of the that, your stuff in the bag pat yourself on the all of the ways in which I thought, the Buffalo Bills, we're going to be able to handle the loss of John Felicia.
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And I believe somewhere in the article was like, I don't think there's any way in hell we're gonna sign a guy and if you will have that conversation when we come to it.
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So sure enough, three days later, well, we're having this conversation.
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So my original take was, It's gonna be Spencer Long and Darryl Williams duking it out at right guard.
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It was going to Cody Ford at right tackle.
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Maybe Tie in second would work himself in, but they wanted to preserve him to be able to swing over to the left side.
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Evan Bain would be taking most of the second team reps at center.
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That's all shot to hell now with the addition of Brian Winters.
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So what do you think about Brian Winners and where do you think he fits in to this whole sort of offensive line situation that the Buffalo Bills find themselves in which up Feliciano So my my take is this.
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Brian Winters comes in and I think you're dead on within Seki, right? I think he's too valuable to put him over like a lot of people like the idea of having in second at right tackle and Ford and right guard.
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But to me, that Len leaves you in a very difficult position.
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If in second or Dawkins get injured, who's gonna play tackle for you? So I think in second off the bench is your swing tackle makes sense to me.
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So with Winter's coming in the fold, I personally and I've said this before I've said it on the show.
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I've said it in our Buffalo Fanatics chat.
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I think you need to give for the opportunity to show if he can improve it right tackle, and you need to give him every chance to win that job.
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Now if he completely flops, that's one thing.
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But all things equal, he's gonna play right tackle for this team this year unless something crazy happens and he just completely stinks.
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So to me, this comes down to now a three way competition at the right guard spot, which is not a bad thing.
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You've got Winters, you've got Williams, and you've got long.
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So out of those three guys, I would like to think that one of the three of them is gonna elevate themselves over the other and at least be something serviceable.
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Probably not to the level that Feliciano was on cause Feliciano was kind of underrated.
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Honestly, he was a great guy to have on the line.
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He was the enforcers, and Josh trusted him.
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So I like the idea of that three way competition at right guard and let Ford kind of do its thing at right tackle.
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Now, four will probably play, uh, you know, split reps within Seki during camp it right tackle, But I think the bills want him to play right tackle this year.
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So that's kind of how I see it. Playing out.
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Yeah.
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Joe Miller.
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I thought it was a 68 8 week injury. You are correct.
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But if I had to make any assumption, my assumption would be that the Buffalo Bills would put him on.
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I are designated to return.
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I don't think they're gonna hold a roster spot for John Feliciano.
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So my guess is we wouldn't see John Feliciano until at least mid season, even if he was healthy.
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So the reason why I said he was gonna miss half the season despite the fact that he's probably gonna be healthy sooner than that is the simple fact that for the roster space, my assumption is that the Buffalo Bills would put him on.
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I are designated to return now.
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You mentioned Ah, three man group at right guy there between Long and Williams and Winters, and my take here is very similar to my CV to take before E.
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J.
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Gaines opted out three guys.
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All of them, I think, would be like league average.
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I mean, Darryl Williams, his lower body was shot.
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He's coming off of an injury and the injury, but he was once a very good offense of lineman on the right side.
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Brian Williams, our Brian Williams like you, saying Brian Williams, the news anchor from ABC.
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But Brian Winters, the right guard.
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He's had some really highs in his career, he said some high highs in his career.
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But he found a lot of injuries over the past couple of years and you've seen some low lows for him, sort of like you've seen some low lows from Darryl Williams and Spencer Lung is another guy who's been up and down in his career.
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So I think the median for for all three of these guys is sort of just league average.
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And maybe you'll get a little bit better than that if they're healthy.
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So to me, it's sort of a situation where I'm not losing sleep over the like the John Feliciano Feliciano injury, because I think one of these three guys is gonna fill the role adequate.
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Like if one of them sucks, Guess what? We got another guy to put in it. That guy sucks.
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We got 1/3 guy.
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The Bills essentially have three shots with three guys, so I can't picture them screwing it up three times now.
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That being said, one of the points that I brought up that I was most concerned about was backup center, and I said there was a reason last year why John Feliciano kicked inside and Spencer long plate right guard.
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It's because the Buffalo Bills didn't trust Spencer Long at center, and that's why I brought up a name like Evan Bean.
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But looking at this Brian Winners.
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In addition, maybe it's gonna be Darryl Williams vs Brian winners at right guard, and maybe the Bills are like, All right, Spencer, we need you to put your sole focus in at center.
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And if Mitch Morse was, ah, history of injuries and a history of had problems gets hurt.
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You need to be ready to be that pivot because I have said this before and I've gotten flame for it.
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But I honest to goodness believe it.
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The center position is the second most important position on the offense.
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It's more important than left tackle.
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It's more important than wide receiver.
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I think that center, the guy who makes the who looks at the defense with your quarterback and makes those offensive line adjustments.
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The guy who you you keep from barrel rushing.
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You know, the defensive tackles in the nose guards from pushing and shutting down your running game, which throws off the flow of your offense center is such an important position.
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I think it's more important than left tackle.
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In my opinion, I don't think the Bills with the history of injuries that mention wars has want to screw that up.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Spencer Long has a new job and his new job is just to not screwed up its center.
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And he gets all the reps and second team center and known at right guard.
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Yeah, and I'm gonna throw up a common here from an Andrew who's a regular, and this is a very common thing.
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This is a very common thing, very Congo take.
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And I think it's a it's a valid take.
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Honestly, it's totally valid.
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I mean, Darryl Williams before his injury, and I think it was 2018.
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He played two consecutive years at right tackle for the Panthers.
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Ah, believe he started all 16 games both of those years and was a pretty good right tackle for them.
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So the history would say that they're a Williams, if healthy and when healthy.
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Ah, the best position for him is right tackle.
00:17:26
Um, this is where you're going to get some differing opinions, right? And it's like Is it too early to pull the plug on code Cody Ford at right tackle After just one year after you you came out and said we drafted you to play right tackle or do you see what Darryl Williams brings to the table this year. Health wise.
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And if you truly is the best guy for that position, do you put him there from one year, slide Ford over in the Guard and then invest in high draft capital with high draft capital in a true tackle? And I'm not talking about Ah, and I said this in the Chatu.
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I'm not talking about some guy who is a tackle, but it may be better suited at guard.
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I'm talking about a guy who legitimately is a tackle prospect if you decide to move forward into right guard and throw Williams out there right tackle this year, if that's the case, because if you make that decision and you're the Bills and you're the front office, the Bills, you're pretty much saying, Hey, we said we drafted Cody for the right to play right tackle.
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We're admitting that it didn't work out.
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We're moving him into right guard.
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We think he can better better served the team in the long term.
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And we're gonna invest now in a in a true tackle because you and I, you and I have talked a lot about this in draft, Um, crap.
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Like the bills value, versatility, blah, blah, blah.
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And okay, fine.
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But like you going to get to the point where you need someone could play right tackle.
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And if it's someone who doesn't have positions like, so be it.
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I agree with truth, truth, the hearts fully here, uh, that it is too early to pull the plug.
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And that's why I've been banging the drum for Let Cody Ford stay at right tackle this season to see what you have.
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You need to let him succeed or fail.
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You can't just assume he's gonna fail.
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So that's that's my view on it.
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Yeah, I mean, and Andrew, you're spot on.
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Like I think a lot of people would agree with you that they see Cody Ford is probably just an average right tackle, but a possibility to be an epically good guard.
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And I'm one of those people who agrees with you.
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But at the end of the day, what we think it's fans and what the coaching staff feels are two completely different things.
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And the only way that Cody Ford I'm going defensive solid money on this.
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The only way that Cody Ford kicks into right guard is if he completely embarrasses himself at right tackle and continues to on a regular basis.
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Because the Buffalo Bills don't even care of Cody, Ford is the best right tackle on their roster current.
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He's still going to be their starting right tackle.
00:19:47
You know, I know that the Bills don't care about who the best right tackle on the roster is, and it's gonna be Cody for it anyway, because Ty and ***y didn't start 16 games last year.
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If the Buffalo Bills truly cared about who is the best right tackle, Ty and Seki would have started all 16 games last year.
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He did, and there was a reason for it.
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The Buffalo Bills want Cody Ford toe work at right tackle, and it's going to take a failure of epic proportions for them to admit that mistake and kick him inside.
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So to me, I'm willing to bet some pretty decent money that's gonna be Darryl Williams vs Brian Brian Winters at right guard.
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Maybe some Spencer long in there, and Cody Ford is going to continue at right tackle, with Ty and Seki bailing him out mid game.
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If he needs to, and it would take to at least mid season for the Buffalo Bills to finally say, All right, let's pull the plug now.
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If there was a pretty season and Cody Ford was getting embarrassed all preseason, maybe, but guess what? There's no pre season this year.
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All the only people they're playing is their own team.
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And I don't think Cody for is gonna embarrass himself in a practice that it's gonna take a gang setting for Cody Ford to embarrass himself to a level where he get benches.
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Three tackle.
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And I don't see that happening before at least mid seas.
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Okay, I agree. And nap here.
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Ah, from the daily Buffalo uh, newest Ah, one of our newest additions to the network here.
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No reason to create unnecessary variants on the O line.
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Replace right Garden keeps the other guys in place.
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That's true.
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Um, you know, we lose Feliciano.
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So we're now No, we're no longer in that group of teams who have the same returning starting five.
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But if you simply plug and play at the right guard spot and you leave everyone else the same, it does let you leave you some semblance of continuity there, where you're only replacing right guard.
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I do think that you know, Ford in and Feliciano probably had a nice chemistry there on the right side.
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But that's something I think Ford can can build with someone else this year.
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I'm not too worried about that, so I kind of like that, Um, Elliot and ***y was already one of our best.
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O Lineman went on the field last year, so we haven't really talked about in Seki as a possible starting Kennedy's.
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I mean, use the thirties that their best offense of lineman on the team and one of the biggest things that I have an issue he's literally he's the third best office is very frequent. Spain.
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He's better than John Feliciano inspire the narrow Like he he is really good.
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If you throw on his tape from the wash when he was with Washington Football Club, arguing arguably, he's a better left tackle, then right tackle, cause he's a pretty agile guy.
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I mean, he absolutely embarrassed the likes of Jadeveon Clowney.
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So, like the tape is there to show that tie and ***y has a super high ceiling, you know, I've compared use Lorenzo Alexander of offense of lineman.
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If you if you look into his backstory, it's absolutely incredible.
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I mean, this guy's like 35 35 36 years old and his career.
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His career is like rather new, because I he's played like indoor league football and stuff.
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But in the time he's had a chance opportunity play, he's shown Flash.
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Flash is, I would argue one of the reasons that maybe he struggled last year was because he didn't play consistently.
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And as an offensive lineman, you need to get into a rhythm and you could be out there.
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And the constant rotation between Cody Ford and Tie and second last year wasn't helping anybody.
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Ty and second included.
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Now Dion Dawkins proved is worth the left tackle, so I would never suggest taking Diane second over the left tackle.
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But I do think he's a better left tackle, then right tackle.
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With that being said, he is without a doubt one of your five best offense of lineman.
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I think personally that your five best guys should be out there, but I hold harder.
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They believe the coaching staff doesn't want him to be a full time player because they are just so scared ****less of Dion Dawkins getting hurt and not having an option at left tackle if Ty and second gets hurt.
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Playing right tackle.
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Yeah, and in that scenario, I believe what you're saying is your five best offensive linemen are Dawkins, Spain Morse, Ford at right guard.
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And in second, everything that would be.
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That would be, in my opinion, if the Buffalo Bills were truly putting their best offensive line on the field, that would be their best offense. Flying combination.
00:23:30
Yes, yeah, yeah, so I mean the point you are making earlier about Long kind of plays into this comment that Justin's making your playing much more states healthy.
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That's why should be to bubble wrap it all times.
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And I think that's another reason why it's like, probably scares the Bills a bit.
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You mean you think about how quickly and effectively they retooled that offensive line.
00:23:50
But that scenario where you have those five guys out there, I mean more skits hurt, you know, if in second gets hurt, what you gonna do like you don't like, is Ryan Bates gonna come in and play right tackle like what's gonna happen.
00:24:02
So I do like your opinion.
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Your your thought you made earlier with long being the backup center.
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And maybe it's a two man race at right guard.
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May be long is like 1/3 option in an emergency.
00:24:13
So and we see Brett homes here in seconds.
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Ankle injury set him back. He's 1% correct.
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So I sort of was being hyperbolic in that statement.
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Times like he did have definitely had an ankle injury last year that affected him.
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So that is, does need to be taken into account as well.
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Um, a Latino guy was coming as well, but you could you could read off.
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You know, this kind of gets this hits on a little bit.
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What? I was saying it, Feliciano being the enforcer of that offensive line this year and being the guy that had Josh is back, right? Storyline, people, tomatoes.
00:24:41
Feliciano brought the nasty to the old line.
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Lots of one of Alan got a cheap shot.
00:24:44
I remember him getting in the mix a few times last year when people were getting on our And one play that comes to mind is that, um there was a late like a somewhat late hit.
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I believe in the Thanksgiving game.
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If I'm not mistaken where Alan got hit late and they didn't call anything, Felicio came to his back.
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So I mean, who is going to be that guy this year? I'll be honest with you.
00:25:06
I think Ford could developed that.
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I think Ford could end up developing that like Nasty Streak and being that enforcer guy and maybe since he was a rookie last year and Feliciano was there, he didn't need to.
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But maybe this is a year we could see Ford step up and trying to bring that attitude as an enforcer on that line.
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He's been working with Lane Johnson all offseason to, so there's something to be said about development like Dion Dawkins.
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I know that there were some other, you know, exigent cir***stances there.
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The fact that the office of our land around him was New York Jets esque.
00:25:37
It was pretty bad around Dion Dawkins with the year he struggled his second year.
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But there is something to be said for development.
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We've seen guys like Dawkins get better.
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John Feliciano took a while to find himself.
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He had a transition from Oakland Buffalo to really come into his own quit in Spain, took him a while to develop like there is something to be said, especially along the office of line in terms of development.
00:25:57
And speaking of development, Ryan sealed to comment here, traders might win the right tackle job in camp.
00:26:02
Listen, I like Trae Adams Mean, you were both on that wagon of drafting a young Officer, Lyman, that we could redshirt for a year and bring along slowly.
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But I don't know how many ways I can say this in a cove in short, off season, where you're not gonna be playing any opponents in the preseason where you're only gonna play against your own team.
00:26:22
I highly doubt that any of these UDF phase, whether it's Trae Adams or Reggie Gillam, I doubt any of them make the final roster because it's gonna be super easy for the Buffalo Bills to slip them on the practice squad.
00:26:33
And I just can't see them getting up to snuff quick enough to be able to contribute.
00:26:39
And, you know, I would say if you're putting percentages on it, I think there's about as as much as I like Trae Adams and he could turn into something special.
00:26:47
I'd say I put about a 25% chance he ever becomes even a swing tackle in this league and about a 5% chance he ever turns into above average starters.
00:26:55
He has the possibility to do all those things.
00:26:57
I just think the note that the percentage of it happening is super, super, super low, but it's still exciting to think about.
00:27:02
I just don't think we're gonna see it in 2020.
00:27:05
Yeah, I mean, he's a perfect, perfect guided Teoh pick in the late rounds.
00:27:09
Or do you try to develop as an undrafted? Easy.
00:27:12
You know, high potential Guy was like a really highly thought of prospect a couple of years ago before the injury, and so why not take a chance? But I'm with you.
00:27:20
I think, you know, maybe back up, swing, tackle, or maybe like a right tackle, an average right tackle.
00:27:27
Maybe he's in his future, but it's too early to tell right of self speculation.
00:27:30
So that's a good question Question from Chris cause Ryan Bates, maybe is the for gotten man this Ah entire offensive line.
00:27:37
Not that He's like a superstar by any means.
00:27:40
But the versatility we talk about, what do you guys think about Ryan based chance of making the team? I think he's a Swiss Army knife of the old line that the team likes to.
00:27:47
Have you seen this with, Like but heard in the past? Um, they brought Basin last year.
00:27:52
It was a guy that we liked in the predraft process.
00:27:54
So thoughts from you on my invents I mean, so so So what else mentioned the comment? Section 288 offensive linemen have to be active on GameDay and Ryan Bates seems like the perfect eight or nine off deployment and because I'm not saying he could do any of it well.
00:28:09
But Ryan Bates could legitimately play all five positions in the office if you play left tackle, he could play guard.
00:28:14
He could play center.
00:28:15
You could play right so he could play all five position.
00:28:17
And that kind of jack of all trades guy, it's sort of like Jeremiah circles was a couple of years ago.
00:28:21
He could legitimately play almost every position and have some light now that he's never probably gonna ever played well or even well enough to start in the National Football League.
00:28:29
But he's capable of doing it, which is a lot more to be said then then some other office of linemen, uh, that we could possibly put on the roster.
00:28:35
So he's the perfect guy to have as sort of that 8th 9th guy on your roster.
00:28:39
And I think Ryan Bates's versatility is gonna land him on the active roster because he's even more versatile.
00:28:45
The night bunker, who's really justified despite the fact that he played tackle in college, is really guard guard, center flex.
00:28:52
There really is no tackle flex in the pros for ICT bunkers.
00:28:54
So you know, I'm finding it really hard to find a spot for, like, Buck around the team.
00:28:58
He's gonna have beat out.
00:28:59
Spencer longer have in vain.
00:29:01
Um, you know, despite the fact that the Bills have reassured him for two years now, you know, and that's something to be said.
00:29:06
They clearly like the guy if they'd be willing to redshirt him for so long.
00:29:09
But he stuck practice squad eligibility, but I'm finding it harder and harder to justify a roster spot for Ike Booker and I definitely can think of more reasons why Ryan Bates is deserving of that roster spot.
00:29:19
Especially.
00:29:20
We're gonna keep Spencer long, right? I mean, um, Long Bates Behm.
00:29:25
I mean, that leaves you on the outside looking in of your bunker.
00:29:29
Uh, interesting question from Heather because winter is coming from a New York team.
00:29:33
Is that why he was able to be signed so fast? Being Presser said it was more like a five day process with the required tests.
00:29:38
I my guess is they signed him to a contract electronically, and he's probably gonna have to go through five days of quarantine and five days of testing before he is allowed to join the team.
00:29:48
So I don't know if that affects the way they signed.
00:29:51
My guess is the bill said we don't need to see about We want, um And from what I've read, he had a couple of their office.
00:29:58
So to me, it seems like the bills reached out and said, You don't need to come in here and take a physical.
00:30:02
We trust you.
00:30:03
We want you.
00:30:04
We haven't opening here.
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We will sign you. We will give you a contract.
00:30:08
Obviously.
00:30:09
Coming in five days and passing physical and then join the team.
00:30:11
So my guess is he probably won't join the team for five days.
00:30:14
I'm free. Sure, you'd be a lot of signs.
00:30:16
Yeah.
00:30:18
So any last thoughts on the O line? Because Elliott's comment recent comment here is kind of leading us into our next topic.
00:30:24
So maybe we should just get right to it.
00:30:26
Ah, the opt out of E.
00:30:27
J.
00:30:28
Gaines and just the opt out in general deadline, I believe now is officially Wednesday or Thursday.
00:30:35
I think someone said it was Thursday, four PM Joshua Barrett says there's a 4 p.
00:30:38
m.
00:30:40
So thoughts on this Steve opt out.
00:30:43
I actually eso a couple of thoughts.
00:30:46
One was my take this off season that they're kind of like what I said was spent.
00:30:49
So long jump Or, uh, that's along.
00:30:51
Brian Winners and Darryl Williams.
00:30:52
One of them is gonna work out like they're three average up Disappointment.
00:30:55
Josh Norman, Levi Wallace in E. J. Gaines.
00:30:58
They're all average.
00:30:59
They're all average quarters.
00:31:00
One of them is gonna work out, right.
00:31:02
So the bill skins possibly screw it up three times.
00:31:05
Well, now they've only got two chances, so they either got to make Levi Wallace or Josh Norman work.
00:31:10
It appears day after day after day comment after comment for comment that Josh Norman is gonna be the guy is going to his job to lose, Which means Levi Wallace easy.
00:31:18
You're gonna be traded or a depth player.
00:31:19
My guess is more likely.
00:31:20
With E.
00:31:21
J.
00:31:22
Gaines gone eight death players, we're not gonna have the luxury to trade him.
00:31:26
But, you know, it's gonna be tougher for Levi Wallace, cause very frail.
00:31:30
I wonder what his special teams versatility is gonna be.
00:31:33
I don't picture Levi Wallace with his lack with his lack of ability to be aggressive playing inside.
00:31:38
So it's gonna be really I we could specie Levi Wallace inactive a lot where the only time Levi Wallace gets activated is if you know Josh Norman trail like it's hurt.
00:31:46
So we could see a situation like that for lead by walls this year.
00:31:49
But at the end of the day, I think there's a little bit of a blessing in disguise for this and hear me out when I say this.
00:31:54
Um, I think that Josh Norman's on a one year deal, it's clear that the Buffalo Bills do not believe in Levi Wallace.
00:32:02
If the Bills go and decide to draft a cornerback like in the first or second round next year, and put him opposite a tray white.
00:32:10
We now have another year of E.
00:32:11
J.
00:32:12
Gaines at what, like $600,000 to be sort of that veteran insurance policy behind whatever guy we draft next year because Josh Norman is gonna be gone and leave our Wallace's.
00:32:21
Who knows what's gonna go out? Levi Wallace.
00:32:23
He's definitely still got some years on that contract, but E.
00:32:25
J.
00:32:26
Gaines is the perfect guy.
00:32:27
To come in here next year and just be another one of those veteran guys behind was probably gonna be a rookie versus second round draft pick over at the second, the second quarterback spot.
00:32:35
So, to me, it very well could be a blessing in disguise that we just get another guy in a cheap contract next year that he can't play out of that cheap contract.
00:32:41
You can't go on the field this year and earned himself a $3 million contract.
00:32:45
He's gonna be stuck with this 67 or 8000 minimum deal next year.
00:32:48
And he's a good player.
00:32:50
Yeah, and I mean, this could potentially also increased danger, action.
00:32:54
Jackson's chances of making teams.
00:32:56
I think he was probably going to make the team anyway.
00:32:59
But now I think it's Ah, it's a pretty good chance that Jane Jackson is in the mix.
00:33:03
And Akeem King eyes like another recent signing we made.
00:33:06
I'm Seattle played 13 games last year.
00:33:08
Andrew mentions any knowledge on King.
00:33:10
I was just saying Just training.
00:33:12
I mean, yes, yes, The short answer is yes.
00:33:14
But I mean, at this point now, the timing is actually pretty good of E. J.
00:33:18
Gaines opting out, bringing in a keen thing. I think E. J.
00:33:21
Gaines probably a little more talented than King.
00:33:23
But it's not bad to have a guy in that at the same position for a guy who just prompted outs.
00:33:28
And and here's what I will say about from the knowledge of him that I've gathered over the past couple of days.
00:33:38
Special teams ace in Seattle played with you farewell.
00:33:41
So he's got that familiar here.
00:33:42
Familiarity with you feral to play special teams and contribute from what I else I can gather is he's not a boundary guy.
00:33:49
So we talked all offseason about how it was gonna be gains in Norman and Wallace on the boundaries.
00:33:55
And it was going to be Neil and Barlow and Jackson and Johnson on the interior.
00:33:59
And maybe gains would push inside a little bit if I had to guess now, I would probably say a King Knicks probably joins the mix of Toronto, Johnson, DeMarlo and Sarandi along the inside.
00:34:10
And I think this sort of kick stain Jackson outside.
00:34:13
Yeah, so I think where you probably would have seen Dane Jackson compete as it as a nickel guy.
00:34:19
Uh, this season, early in his career, I think you're now going to see him compete as a boundary guy.
00:34:24
So I do think this has a little bit of an effect on the depth of our rosters.
00:34:27
I do think it kicks.
00:34:29
I do think it kicks Dean Jackson.
00:34:30
I do think ink stain Jackson to the perimeter when his initial role probably would have been on the interior.
00:34:37
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I just, like, find myself, like, really liking Dean Jackson.
00:34:41
I hope he actually does something I maybe film this fun is still he's like he's like a big, aggressive Levi Wallace.
00:34:48
Yeah, remember less, uh, like sees like the last offseason before Priest preseason started.
00:34:53
I was like, all in on Jaquan Johnson.
00:34:55
I really wanted him to, like, crush it.
00:34:57
That's kind of like the feeling I have for Dean Jackson this year.
00:35:00
I just want him to be like awesome buddies.
00:35:02
Unfortunately, obviously no preseason to do that, but, ah, yeah, I mundane Jackson fan.
00:35:07
I like his film.
00:35:08
I think he looks great on film.
00:35:10
These competitors, er I mean, hear that from his coaches.
00:35:12
So I like, I like that, um So there are people.
00:35:17
There were some people going back and forth about the the comment section right here daily.
00:35:21
It's point was, is Levi Wallace Robert Foster? But at the end of the day, you know it gives me the most hope for the Buffalo Bills.
00:35:29
Is that Levi Wallace and Robert Foster, both undrafted free agents, in the same utf eight class in the same draft class? And you know what? If Josh Ellen takes the next step this year, um or should I say when? So I don't get flamed anyone.
00:35:42
When Crouch takes the next step this year and they have to pay guys like him and to remain Emmons and Matt Milano and beyond Dawkins and all of these guys knowing that Brandon Beane and Chamakh German can go out and find these guys off the scrap heats, scrap heaps of of draft classes, that's sort of like it makes me feel good.
00:36:02
And it makes me feel comfortable because the likes of Levi Wallace and Robert Foster, those are the types of players that are sort of the unsung heroes on those really competitive teens.
00:36:13
They see competing for Super Bowls year after year after year, because look at all the money the Kansas City Chiefs are paying guys that team is gonna have to draft.
00:36:20
Well, that seem, is gonna have to find UDF A's who who compete on the roster.
00:36:25
Jaquan Johnson is another name.
00:36:28
Ah, guy, really impressive off the bench last year.
00:36:31
Who's the guy who could maybe step in and feel the gym and player in this league at a very low, minimal salary.
00:36:37
So I have an abundance of confidence and Brandon being and Chamakh German to go in and find these players, and it makes me confident.
00:36:44
The future.
00:36:45
I don't know if Levi Wallace, a Robert Foster, have a future here, but I like the fact that being found them, and I'm confident that he could find him again.
00:36:52
Yeah, just like really quick to the moderators.
00:36:55
Um Stephen, Campy own.
00:36:57
Who's a regular of ours.
00:36:59
There's something weird going on with his situation in the comments.
00:37:04
His comments aren't showing up, so I could just ask the moderators really quick while we're still chatting to make sure he's not on any kind of block list because he's, Ah, he's a good regular of ours.
00:37:14
I will make sure his comments get through.
00:37:15
So sorry to cause real quick there.
00:37:18
I just want to mention that, um, everyone see here says if Wallace gets more physical, watch out.
00:37:24
I think his body might be a little maxed out.
00:37:26
I mean, I see I've seen Levi Wallace all offseason.
00:37:29
He's been posting sort of, his journey on social media.
00:37:31
I love his.
00:37:33
I love his mindset, and I love his heart, but I don't know if his body is gonna allow him to pack on that kind of way and still be ineffective.
00:37:39
Football player.
00:37:40
But guess what? I just mentioned it three minutes ago.
00:37:43
I really do think pain Jackson is a more physical, aggressive version of Leave our wallets.
00:37:48
So it's gonna be really exciting to see emptying Jackson can turn into you this sort of player appeared.
00:37:54
Stephen Camp Young The c m p i o N e uh, he messaged me.
00:38:00
Just want to check that and make sure he's good. Yeah.
00:38:02
I mean, Levi Wallace putting on some muscle, like to me, like it's not even really about that.
00:38:08
I mean, it's about his style more than anything, right? I think.
00:38:11
Like, Okay, you could make the argument that if you put on some more muscle, would he be more a little more aggressive when he'd be a little more physical? Yeah, maybe, but at the same time, you Mark, there might already have that Indian Jackson.
00:38:22
Yes.
00:38:23
Levi Wallace is kind of somewhat proven himself over the last two years, so he's gonna have the leg up naturally.
00:38:27
But who knows? Danger.
00:38:29
Axon could be a successor to him.
00:38:30
And maybe you can trade a Levi Wallace.
00:38:32
Like you said, you know we could trade a Robert Foster if there's not a space on the roster for him.
00:38:36
But again, with E. J.
00:38:38
Gaines going down, I think the Bills maybe would err on the side of caution with Norman at the CB two.
00:38:42
And they probably like the idea of the comfort of having Wallace's that backup boundary.
00:38:47
Now it was.
00:38:48
It was pretty exciting this week to see sort of ESPN app shoot out there, alert on the John Feliciano injury and tag Buffalo fanatics in it and get Buffalo fanatics credit.
00:38:58
But to the Robert Foster point, if the Green Bay Packers trade for Robert Foster, I want everyone to tag the Bills.
00:39:05
Guys, I want ESPN app to attack the bills, guys, because we called it two months ago.
00:39:10
So when the Green Bay Packers trade for Robert Foster because that seemed just screams trading for Robert Foster to me when they dio uh, you know, I want I mean, you we want the credit.
00:39:20
Yeah, And when they don't like April, when they don't want crop will crop is 30 seconds out of existence.
00:39:26
Didn't have.
00:39:27
All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is about that time.
00:39:30
There's 40 minutes left.
00:39:32
I want Teoh get on my soap box a little bit about Josh Allen for a minute or two.
00:39:38
And while I do, I want you guys to hit up our common section with your hottest takes, your questions, topics that you guys want to talk about.
00:39:47
And we're gonna hit that the last 20 minutes of the show.
00:39:50
But before that, I want to get on my soapbox about Josh Young because some people have been giving me some hate.
00:39:55
They say, like, Hey, you know, you don't You don't like Josh Ellen.
00:39:59
You hate Josh Ellen.
00:40:00
I've yet to see someone find legitimate proof that I hate Josh Ellen.
00:40:03
That's all I'm saying.
00:40:04
Somebody was certain somebody called me out a week ago, said, I hate Judge Alan.
00:40:07
Hasn't really found me any proof.
00:40:08
What's that? What's that? A new doll.
00:40:10
Josh on behind.
00:40:11
You think I saw him about a and here's what I'll tell you what I love about Josh and one of the reasons that I really do think that Josh Allen is going to hit the mark this year and grow and it has nothing to do with him as a quarterback and has everything to do with him is a human being.
00:40:25
What stood out to me the most one of the most of anything that saw season was a instagram post by John Feliciano last night.
00:40:34
John Felician John Feliciano is sitting there with, like, his arm in a in a rap after his Tauron Peck surgery.
00:40:41
And I think he commented it like, uh, like Daddy, Josh, uh, you know, taking care of me and who walks up behind John Feliciano with the biggest freakin bottle or with the biggest Rick a glass of wine I have ever seen.
00:40:55
Josh Allen like that is that is the kind of guy that Josh Ellen is like his, his teammates.
00:41:00
We saw in the Dallas game on that fourth and one.
00:41:03
It just epitomises who he is, a person who uses a player who he is as a teammate.
00:41:09
I I love that about Josh Allen on, and I know that I criticizes his game a little bit, and I know that I say I want to see him take the next step next.
00:41:18
But I mean, don't get me wrong.
00:41:22
I absolutely love that that aspect of him as a quarterback, I really do think that all you know, 70 guys in that locker room would would do anything for that guy.
00:41:31
And you know, there are.
00:41:33
There are some quarterbacks in this league where that's not the case, and quarterbacks like that, I think can go a long way.
00:41:39
If they can put it all together on the field as well.
00:41:41
There's just that sort of X factor.
00:41:44
Yeah, and look, I mean, we've been burned right in the past.
00:41:48
My quarterbacks, you know, I'll never forget.
00:41:51
For me, it was going into that 2008 season.
00:41:55
Someone asked.
00:41:56
JP lost men in his locker about how he was gonna build on the 20 22,007 year, that he had a good year with Lee Evans, and he made some comment about like Bills Fans love the long ball, and then he just, like, absolutely flopped in 2008.
00:42:09
So Josh Allen has a different feel to him, and pierces is Josh is just different, right? I mean, you get the sense that he's got a quiet confidence about him, but he's still kind of loose, right? He seems always like he's lose.
00:42:22
He's having a good time, and I just hope I mean to Alex's point.
00:42:27
I just hope the expectations aren't going to get too high to the point where it collapses on him.
00:42:31
He doesn't come across as the guy that worries too much about that.
00:42:35
I mean, he even got asked today.
00:42:37
I don't have anyone caught it, But he had, like, a 20 minute press conference for with some of the buffalo media, and I think it was, um, I can't remember who asked.
00:42:45
I think I made him.
00:42:46
Might have been that of a that asked him What does success look like to you, Josh in year three as compared to year two? And he immediately said, like I'm not putting numbers on it.
00:42:56
He's like, I just want to try to get better.
00:42:57
Eliminate mistakes may be better Decision making, you know, be better.
00:43:02
On third down, he made like he made a point to kind of be, uh, you know, take the statistical aspect of it out of it, and you could tell that in his heart he just really wants to win, right? So, um, I think that might get what? Hello? Just Yeah, there we go their way.
00:43:24
You don't to to To Alex's point, I think that probably one of the reasons why Josh Helen's had hasn't gotten so big this offseason.
00:43:33
One.
00:43:34
The reason why he stays so humble and so hungry is because he's got guys like me, you know, keeping him in its place like it's Ah, if Josh Ellen's successful this year, I take full credit because I wouldn't let him get too full of himself.
00:43:48
I wouldn't let him get to himself.
00:43:50
I'm always gonna give Give him something to prove, and Josh will always have me to thank for continually pushing him and pushing him and make him a better quarterback.
00:43:59
So you're welcome, Josh.
00:44:01
But truth the hearts with the nice singer here on 10 and I don't want to spoil anything for Joe because I'll tell you what.
00:44:14
If you're not listening to the overreaction podcast, I need you to listen on Monday because I can already tell based on some of the previews and clips I've been getting, that Joe Miller and his guest on Monday are gonna absolutely blow your mind when it comes to talking about Josh on and when it comes to talking about expectations for quarterbacks, so I'm not gonna blow it for Joe.
00:44:35
But I will tell you if you don't know who Joe Miller is, and you don't listen to the overreaction podcast is, you are going to know what that show is by Monday afternoon because it's going to absolutely blow up. Social Media.
00:44:49
Three expectations high.
00:44:52
Uh, I must have the expectation side he's gonna talk on Monday about the expectations for quarterback.
00:44:57
I don't think Josh Ellen is ever going to be a top five quarterback in the National Football League. I don't.
00:45:02
But I don't think that that's that.
00:45:04
I still think he could win Super Bowls being the top 6 to 10 quarterback, you know, or being a stop 6 to 12 quarterback and the way he plays football and the way we can build on offense around him, I think we can win.
00:45:16
Despite the fact that I don't think the guy's gonna be a future Hall of Famer.
00:45:19
I'm sorry I don't but I still think we can be really, really good with him, and Joe is going to set the record straight.
00:45:25
On Monday, so thank you, Joe, in advance for that.
00:45:28
Ryan's giving you a little sympathy tonight.
00:45:30
Just like because you keep digging yourself a hole.
00:45:33
Really? The viewers air digging the hole for you and throwing you in it.
00:45:36
So, uh, give judge breakouts.
00:45:39
Look, I mean, yeah, I mean, look, he's he lives in Arizona.
00:45:42
He loves Colin Murray.
00:45:43
You can't blame him for that.
00:45:44
I mean, awful.
00:45:46
Oh, says Buffalo fan says Money. The 10th. Yes.
00:45:49
One week from today, your mind will be blown.
00:45:51
I don't mean to get I don't mean to get Joe's heads.
00:45:54
You big Well, here's a Joe.
00:45:56
If you haven't listed him, he's got a great voice and he made the funniest coming before we talk about his voice like, Can we just say like the guys got other attributes to? I mean, Machine of his valise is have used.
00:46:10
Hey, he's got, you know, he's fairly intelligent.
00:46:14
Uh, he's got a little bit of hair on the top, is he's musically inclined, politically inclined.
00:46:20
He's like a really nice person.
00:46:21
He's more than just a voice, guys, he's more than just the voice.
00:46:24
Any super smart, too, so you should listen to him.
00:46:27
Uh, you know, So he knows how to, like, set up microphones when my audio sounds better with each progressing week is because Joe is helping me.
00:46:36
And when Josh Elements Super Bowl, your opinion will change 100 80 degrees.
00:46:40
Your **** ready.
00:46:41
Well, you are never right.
00:46:44
Uh, no, she did.
00:46:45
It's a kiss on.
00:46:46
This was Yeah, he did.
00:46:48
Jo Jo dropped a lot of superlatives about his voice on this tutorial video he made for us here at the network in, um, you know, that's another thing.
00:46:57
His vocabulary is.
00:46:59
Ah, is something to behold.
00:47:00
So, uh, we really love Joe Miller, So we just We're just giving him a hard time judge.
00:47:07
When you find yourself in such a deep hole, put down the shovel.
00:47:10
So all right, we I think our time now to open it up to you and a for the rest of the show.
00:47:18
Wait.
00:47:20
About 15 20 minutes left to go.
00:47:22
So we're gonna open it up to Q and a, um, I want to go back.
00:47:27
Teoh comment The question that trick reviewer had from earlier as the other questions start coming in.
00:47:34
So if there's no college season shortened season.
00:47:36
Could you see the Bills trading a 2nd 3rd round for maybe Trent Murphy? Tyler Eifert, Dawkins For Gilmore, it looks like they're not trading Gilmore.
00:47:43
But I think the question is more around.
00:47:45
With no college season, could you potentially see the Bills trading anything at this point for getting an established player? I think it's kind of the route we're going with this question, likening GAC way or something like that.
00:47:58
With the salary cap situation being what it is.
00:48:01
I doubt it on, and not to mention listen, it's it's going to be a huge flow.
00:48:05
It's gonna be a huge blow if there isn't a college football season.
00:48:09
Our college football season is a shell of itself.
00:48:11
But another thing that we have to understand is like these guys have been scouting some of these some of these players since they were in, like Pop Warner.
00:48:19
I mean, they know these guys are when they come on a high school, they know who they think.
00:48:24
They're asking questions to coaches when they go visit, and they're looking at juniors and seniors.
00:48:28
They're looking at freshman and sop****re, too, and they're talking to coaches about freshman sop****re, and I'm sure that they have draft boards 23 years into the future and names on lists.
00:48:38
So will it be different? Will it be a challenge? Yes, but I know for a fact that Brandon being and Dan Morgan and Joe Shane the way that some of these guys grind.
00:48:47
They understand to quote the players that are in college now and sort of the way they could impact a football game.
00:48:54
Would it look different? Would it be different? Yes.
00:48:56
Could I see them treating maybe middle round picks? Yes, but I just don't think you'd see them training for big money players because I don't think we're in that place in that place of roster building, especially the salary cap is going down.
00:49:09
We got too many guys of our own to pay.
00:49:11
Yeah, this is a question that's come up Ah, little bit over the last few days and social media, the Antonio Brown news of him getting suspended.
00:49:20
But, I mean, our guy Pierre, uh, the kingpin.
00:49:25
He's got some thoughts on a B, and he thinks it wouldn't be crazy if let's say the bills are making a deep run do the bills consider at all trying to sign a B two point? Oh, after we obviously signed him two off seasons ago, and it never happens.
00:49:42
That was a little facetious there, but I'm just going on my head.
00:49:46
I'm not even gonna answer the question.
00:49:48
Feel free to touch on this if you want, but I am not.
00:49:52
I would not I don't think unique.
00:49:54
I I want I don't think you need to.
00:49:57
I mean, look, I'm not gonna deny a be ast talent.
00:50:00
I think he probably goes down as well, like a top 10 wide receiver in NFL history, even if he doesn't never play again.
00:50:06
Um, and but I just don't think that's that doesn't seem like the thing the Bills would do.
00:50:12
Um, probably felt like they got burned a little bit last time when, you know, the reports were that they were trying toe trying to get him, and so I just don't see it happening especially.
00:50:20
Or is that off? The pier says Yes, I like I said, So there's only one ball we got.
00:50:25
Really? Remember, there's only one fault we gotta get Stefon Diggs of all we gotta get John Brown the ball.
00:50:28
I'm not too worried about the Cole Beasley injury, but let's bring up the Let's bring up the Colby's injury.
00:50:34
Colby's is on that.
00:50:35
If I right now with another back injury, and I saw way too many people on Twitter talking about gave Davis time to shine, gave Davis slot receiver gave Davis in a slot receiver, folks.
00:50:46
So if Cole Beasley goes down, I think you're looking at a situation where Isaiah Hodgins would step in.
00:50:52
Duke Williams stepping in.
00:50:53
Isaiah Mackenzie, Andre Roberts.
00:50:55
These are the guys who would float in the slot if Cole Beasley was hurt.
00:50:59
If Gabe Davis work to make it on the field because of a cold Beasley injury, it's because they've rotated John Browner, Stefon Diggs inside and put Game Davis on the boundary.
00:51:08
I mean, when gave Davis was drafted, first thing Daniel Jeremiah said was you know what the University of Central Florida did with game Davis.
00:51:16
They put a one yard from the sideline and let it run down the field, and he's a really good player, like down the field, 63 to 20.
00:51:21
Great body control is really good at stacking corners and getting open down the field.
00:51:25
But right now he's a one trick pony wide receiver and that tricking running routes, which is not something that really bodes well for you in the slot.
00:51:32
So if Kobe's injury is serious, I think you're either going to see digs and Brown step inside if you want.
00:51:39
Keep Davis on the field or Hey, I said, That's what three weeks, two weeks ago, I say Hodgins, baby pageants What they say, Hodgins.
00:51:47
He's the better receiver than he's a better receiver than game Davis right now, period, and a story like, In my opinion, he's better than gave Davis.
00:51:55
But the key word here is right now.
00:51:58
I think he's a more.
00:51:59
I think he's more NFL ready.
00:52:00
But the ceiling is nowhere near that of gave Davis's Because game Davis has the physical.
00:52:05
Yep, piers not happy with all the A B hate, but he seems to be getting gang up on now.
00:52:10
We've drawn the attention off of you and I want appear, but that's not gonna last, because that, Carlisle says, does Brian.
00:52:17
I'll tell you what does.
00:52:18
Brian looks pretty good.
00:52:19
I'm surprised nobody's giving him a shot I personally wouldn't give him a shot because I think we're like, 15 deeper receiver right now.
00:52:24
I love every single receiver on this roster like I don't want to cut any of them.
00:52:28
Nick easily include Huge snake usually stand here, but, uh, does Bryant, with his dad Prescott workouts, has been looking incredible.
00:52:36
I'm surprised no one has really given him a shake yet.
00:52:40
Do you guys think there will be less players being signed off? Other teams practice squads or cut lists? I guess taking because Andrew Miller said DK was a one trick pony to work.
00:52:51
Ever see out? Yes, he did.
00:52:54
But guess what D came back for? Three.
00:52:56
Because guess where DK Metcalf never played never played the slot, but he also reflected this lot.
00:53:02
He was always on the boundary.
00:53:04
He was always on the boundary, which is what they would have to do with game.
00:53:08
Game is if it was cold, easily injured, it would have to be.
00:53:11
Browner takes moving inside and he was going out.
00:53:14
I mean, it was better than, ofcourse he's running.
00:53:17
He's right.
00:53:18
He's right.
00:53:19
You're not wrong here. You're not wrong.
00:53:21
Like no one's gonna sit here and say A B is a bad player, but one he's suspended eight games and two that.
00:53:28
Come on, come on like digs won't be happy about it.
00:53:32
I just I don't want to take myself into an even deeper hole and say something stupid, but, like I I'm not gonna touch it.
00:53:39
But I I'm not a big fan of the guy.
00:53:41
We'll move on to another question.
00:53:43
Do you guys think there be less players? Sign off other teams practice.
00:53:46
What's your cuts? We're making it.
00:53:47
Five States players has Kobe testing this season, So this kind of gets the words and a campus Guys are getting cut.
00:53:53
Um, moving, getting moved, practice squads.
00:53:55
Do you think they're leave? Do you think? I mean, to be honest with you, there's not a ton of guys each year that get cut that would have cleared waivers, goto a practice one and then get immediately signed by another team.
00:54:08
It doesn't happen too often, even in a normal cir***stance.
00:54:11
So I don't know that this is gonna change all that much.
00:54:14
Do you have any thoughts on this one? I mean, I don't think it's going to be all that different than then we see most years.
00:54:20
No, Uh, I think of anything.
00:54:22
You're right. I think you'll be easier.
00:54:24
My biggest fear is because I love as a Ajit.
00:54:27
I think I say Hodgins a really good football player.
00:54:29
And I think one of my one of my biggest fears right now is that the Buffalo Bills think they can sneak some guys under the practice.
00:54:40
What, and cut them loose.
00:54:42
And Isaiah Hodgins is number one on my list.
00:54:44
I really hope that the Buffalo Bills, like, make a decision that tight end to cut Lee Smith and keep a Tommy Sweeney and only three tight ends.
00:54:52
I hope they make the cut somewhere in order to roll with seven wide receivers because I really don't want to lose a guy like Isaiah Hodgins.
00:55:00
I would rather cut a Duke.
00:55:01
Williams, I think, would be easier to get a Duke Williams into a practice spot, and it would be in Isaiah audience.
00:55:05
But you mentioned in season Yeah, in season is gonna be tough, right? Because like you said, you're gonna have to have five days.
00:55:11
It's not gonna be like now where we sign of Brian winters, and we could wait five days from to come in like you're gonna have to be signing a signing.
00:55:17
A guy with the expectation.
00:55:20
Probably that he's not gonna play until that game after, If you sign him early in the week.
00:55:23
The week prior.
00:55:24
So yeah, Maybe in that regard, there would be fewer situations like that.
00:55:30
Um, Pierre, still going on a B, But I'm gonna go ahead and pass on those that Sorry, Pierre, are we in the conversation with chiefs and Ravens now for a SEC championship? If not what are being missing? Um, I also think he probably need to throw Houston still into that mix, even though, um, you know, they you know, they lost the Chiefs in the playoffs last year.
00:55:52
There's not really a ton that I could say that.
00:55:55
Ah, you know, at this point would say that we're even, you know, ahead of Houston.
00:56:00
I mean, they they did beat us.
00:56:02
They did, you know, win their division.
00:56:04
Um, so I mean, I think those are the four teams, if you're gonna ask me, and I also wouldn't count out the Steelers quite yet, So I think we're probably right in that that makes in that 3 to 5 range in the A f.
00:56:16
C.
00:56:17
I think it's clearly the Chiefs and Ravens at the top.
00:56:19
And then I think after that, you know, you could make the case for us.
00:56:22
For the Steelers, for the Texans, the Titans are still going to be a pretty solid team.
00:56:27
Um, you know, who knows what the Colts are going to be like with Philip Rivers at the helm this year? So I mean, there's there's some some good teams in the FC, but I put us right up there in that 3 to 5 range right now.
00:56:38
And they have seen for the season starts.
00:56:41
Yeah, I mean, if you look at it on paper, the Buffalo Bills have one of the best rosters in the A F. C.
00:56:49
I think the Ravens and the cheese probably have better rosters and in totality with the Bills are right up there with the rock with outside the quarterback position.
00:56:56
The Bills are right up there with the Chiefs, the Ravens.
00:56:58
So what are we missing? Were missing the Our quarterback hasn't taken the next step.
00:57:04
Baltimore's quarterback to pack stuff.
00:57:05
You won the M v P.
00:57:07
Yes, he scored back to back stop after winning.
00:57:09
You won't have the P two years ago, right? 50 Teoh.
00:57:12
After winning the MVP two years ago, you went, He came back.
00:57:14
Anyone suitable? So you know what we're missing right now? Is the quarterback taking that next step? So Josh Ellen takes the next step this year, and we're not one of the best teams in the in the A F C.
00:57:27
It means something went seriously wrong, whether it be on defense or injuries or something because of Josh, Allen comes out.
00:57:33
Scores like 40 touchdowns this year, and we're not one of the best teams in the NFC East.
00:57:38
What happened? Did the whole defense did hold the funds get hurt like what the heck went wrong? So I'd say that two things holding the Buffalo Bills back Right now, I'm not saying this like Mike Lombardi says this.
00:57:50
I'm not saying in a Mike Lombardi tone, but where I say that that the problem will never be fixed.
00:57:56
But the only problem is our quarterback hasn't taken the next step yet.
00:57:59
I fully expected to.
00:58:00
And the other problem, I think could be Brian Table.
00:58:03
I really like.
00:58:04
We haven't talked about this yet, and I want to talk about this a little bit on Thursday.
00:58:07
I want to talk about Brian Table because there are some running backs in this back field.
00:58:12
Devin Singletary, Zach Boss, T J.
00:58:13
Yeldon and I was having a conversation gushing my body Mr Feeling on the Yang pod for the for the for the daily Buffalo.
00:58:19
And we started talking about running backs, and he talked about how he was really disappointed.
00:58:23
The Buffalo Bills didn't use T.
00:58:24
J Yeldon properly last year that having a guy who catch the ball of the backfield would've been really nice for for Josh Allen last last year.
00:58:32
And I talked about how I don't want to see Zach Moss used like Frank Gore, because I think Zach Moss can be so much more than what a 30 hump, 39 year old, 38 year old, 36 year old whatever, Frank or Waas.
00:58:44
So, Brian table still out here being an absolute idiot with his running backs, we're probably not gonna be able to move the ball between the 35 in the 50 this year like we weren't able to last year.
00:58:56
I think justice, as inconsistent as Josh Allen might about, is inconsistent as our receivers might have. Emerson Drive's.
00:59:02
We also didn't know how to call the game properly, and we're using our running backs completely wrong after midfield, like completely wrong.
00:59:09
So if Brian Table doesn't get his head out of his ass, that's another reason why the Buffalo Bills won't be ableto with with the likes of the Ravens and the Chiefs, who have Andy Reid and great Roman calling plays who are sure when they could do it.
00:59:21
And they could do it really well.
00:59:23
And, you know, and I'm getting some flak in the comment section about Houston and I get it, they lost nuke and they have Bill Brian.
00:59:28
Still, it's their coach was just always interesting.
00:59:30
But, you know, you mentioned the quarterback.
00:59:32
You mean the teams I mentioned Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson to Sean Watson.
00:59:37
You know Philip Rivers, uh, you know, Ben Roethlisberger becomes back like Josh Ellen Celesta prove he's better than all those guys.
00:59:45
So I don't think you can count Houston out just quite yet.
00:59:48
This is an interesting question, and Houston still has like a solid trio of receivers.
00:59:52
They got cob.
00:59:53
They got fuller.
00:59:54
They got Kiki Q T.
00:59:56
They added a bunch of guys.
00:59:58
They have a very you know they have David Johnson, so not knock their moves all you want.
01:00:03
But I legitimately think you're going to see Bill O Brien run a spread offense this year, and they have the ponies to run a spread offense and the Sean Watson Rohana spread offense very well in college.
01:00:12
So, um, I think you're going to see a little bit different oven offense from Houston this year.
01:00:17
I think you're going to see them go legitimate spread.
01:00:19
So that's really that I think could take a lot of people by surprise, and I'm not saying they're perfect by any means.
01:00:25
They gave up one of the top five best players National police, and they got like a middling running back in return.
01:00:32
But the guys that they got in return and the guys that I didn't free agency kind of sort of fit the direction.
01:00:38
I think they're going on offense so they could surprise some people, not saying long term.
01:00:42
They'll be good not saying that defense is gonna be any good with Anjali Weaver now leading the show, and Bill O Brien still a friggin moron like.
01:00:49
But you still got that going for Yeah, he's got that.
01:00:52
He's the he's Adam Gaze with a weird chin.
01:00:55
Um, so you know, But at the end of the day, I still do you think that they could surprise some people, do what they do every year, like a 9 10 win team.
01:01:07
So you you've had a few seconds here and now think about this as he read the question.
01:01:12
Who is the most overrated quarterback in the league will say going into this season.
01:01:16
And who is the most underrated? Um, this is an interesting question.
01:01:22
I will say, I'm gonna I'll give you my most overrated first.
01:01:26
Okay? I think I need a full roster.
01:01:30
I'm going.
01:01:31
I'm going off memory here, and just like what I think it would popped into my head.
01:01:34
I think the most overrated quarterback going into this year is Jimmy G.
01:01:39
I just I don't you know, I don't I don't think he's bad, right? I don't think he's bad, so I'm not saying he's a bad quarterback.
01:01:46
But I do think he's maybe a little bit overrated.
01:01:48
I don't think he really showed up in big moments.
01:01:50
I mean, you talk about that ST scheme last year where George Kittel did all the work down the sideline to that like Dawson, not Knox s play.
01:01:59
Didn't think Jimmy G had the you know, he didn't have a great Super Bowl.
01:02:03
So I do think you maybe he's a little overrated.
01:02:04
And the only reason I'm saying he's overrated because San Francisco is, you know, it's just one of the Super Bowl favorites.
01:02:09
So, um, that Prescott Pierce's Dak Prescott? I don't know if he's overrated.
01:02:15
He's he's he is maybe a little bit overrated.
01:02:18
So I'll give him that, um, back and Jimmy, Do you? I guess, Or two good options here, you know, And everyone's making good point.
01:02:26
Josh could be the most underrated in the league.
01:02:29
Um, but as Faras, like, ever talked were taking Josh out of the equation, which I do agree he is one of the more underrated quarterbacks in the league.
01:02:38
Um, let me think.
01:02:40
Who will be another underrated? Do you have anyone for overrated? While I think a bit for? On underrated.
01:02:46
I have three names that I'm considering.
01:02:48
Okay, But I'm gonna go big because my other two miler to or Teddy B and Ryan Tannehill I just don't know if those are big enough names.
01:02:55
Um, almost a Drew Brees.
01:02:58
I think one of the more statistically you're gonna say Tom Brady.
01:03:01
No, I'm gonna go with Drew Brees because you know what? Like he's a quarterback who don't get me wrong.
01:03:07
I'm not trying to knock Drew Brees.
01:03:09
I love his game.
01:03:10
I love you know, he's he's won a Super Bowl.
01:03:13
But I always feel like I want to see is a product of the system.
01:03:17
But I always feel like there were limited the reason why the Saints couldn't get over the hump all of these years, since they won that last trouble.
01:03:25
It's not all on the defense.
01:03:27
It's not all on.
01:03:28
Look, I really do you think that you know some of the intangibles that Josh Allen have with the size of his arm and his running ability? These are things that, like Drew Brees just doesn't have.
01:03:36
Like he's forced to be in that pocket, and I sort of feel like that Oh baby holds the New Orleans Saints back a little bit.
01:03:43
E think there's a reason why Sean Print Peyton brings brings tight tasted Hill out as much as he does because he's looking for something different because you're agrees is so one dimensional.
01:03:52
Now you know, the guy's a freakin Hall of Famer, you know, and he's won a Super Bowl, so I don't know how overrated I can call him.
01:04:01
But I always felt like, you know, a quarterback of his stature should have Dunmore with their career, and maybe he's still got a chance this year.
01:04:09
But I'm gonna go Drew Brees.
01:04:12
Okay, Uh, I have the right home underrated underrated mind stair car.
01:04:18
Yeah, I was going to say and like someone.
01:04:20
Ah, someone said it in here.
01:04:23
Kristen.
01:04:24
I think that Stafford's underrated.
01:04:25
Like Iceman Stafford's my favorite quarterback.
01:04:30
He's I've always liked Matt Stafford.
01:04:32
Uh, he was the quarterback on my fantasy team in 2011 when he threw those uh, 43 touchdowns.
01:04:39
It's Calvin Johnson on the team, and I want it.
01:04:41
So I always have a soft spot in my heart for Matt Stafford.
01:04:45
Um, you know, he's an Iron Man to man.
01:04:48
He never misses games like the dude is tough.
01:04:51
He's got He's just you think about those teams he was on were like they could just never had a running game.
01:04:57
It was all him.
01:04:58
So I really like, I do like Stafford.
01:05:00
I think he's underrated.
01:05:01
And I like your pick there to of, um, you know, uh, of breeze being overrated.
01:05:06
I think that that's Ah, that's a big name.
01:05:08
And I think there may be some truth to that this year.
01:05:11
He's gonna follow eventually, right? All right, ladies jumping were at the hour, 5 march.
01:05:15
So unless any questions come here in the final seconds, that'll that'll just about just about do it for us tonight make sure that you, uh, you know, check out the both with an ex podcasting network Code of conduct pod drops on Wednesday.
01:05:30
NFL ba*****t Thursday.
01:05:32
Hope Podcast Friday.
01:05:34
Bills overdue on Saturday, maybe.
01:05:36
You know, once you roll through your buffalo fanatics podcasts, check out the daily buffalo.
01:05:41
There's ah, certain guy.
01:05:43
Uh, there's a certain guy who was an afternoon show on the daily buffalo called The Daily Drive drops every day at 12 PM.
01:05:49
It's usually 2020 to 30 minutes of Buffalo sports talk daily for your ride home from work.
01:05:55
There's a bunch of other great shows in the daily Buffalo network as well.
01:05:57
So once you roll through all of your buffalo fanatic stuff, head over the daily buffalo and uh um, first he loves Murray. Now you listen.
01:06:06
How about like I can I can like other quarterbacks, It's OK.
01:06:11
So I I've said this before.
01:06:13
I hope.
01:06:14
I hope Josh Ellen's, I hope Tosh Ellen can become is good as as Mets effort, because I think that Matt Stafford, the reason why he's underrated, is because he's played for a franchise that has completely misused him for for a decade.
01:06:27
Like if Matt Stafford was drafted to another franchise, if Matt's effort was drafted to an organization with vision and brains and intellect, which is not something that the Fords possesses, owners of the Detroit Lions.
01:06:41
I think that there's a lot of owners you can say that for in the Fords defense, um, you know, I think that I think that's that there could be a multiple Super Bowl winner if he was drafted to the right situation.
01:06:53
Now that's completely hyperbolic statement.
01:06:55
I have no facts to support that evidence, but it's just like a gut feeling I have, because if you if you ever watch that guy playing football, he's got all the tools and when he's got the supporting cast and he's healthy food, you look so good out there.
01:07:07
And that scene didn't have a running game for so long.
01:07:10
And, uh, you know now they got Patricia running into the ground and tell me you wouldn't You wouldn't want to be in a huddle with that guy, man.
01:07:17
He he is an iron man.
01:07:19
He just never misses time. He's so tough.
01:07:21
He's a great leader.
01:07:22
I mean, great guy, but Josh Allen could be, he's got.
01:07:28
He's got a lot of massive effort to him because it's that one point that sticks out his rookie year, right? We're mad.
01:07:33
Staffer like, threw the ball to the goal line and got smoked because of his rookie year, and they had no offensive lineman.
01:07:39
They were coming off that own 16 season, and he bluntly I think, broke his collarbone or separated shoulder and he walks over the sidelines, pops it back in and he goes in and throws the game winning touchdown two plays later as time expires.
01:07:51
I mean, that's just Iron Man.
01:07:53
Leadership personified.
01:07:55
And he also can chug a beer.
01:07:56
So, uh, that's something in our quarterback have in common.
01:08:00
Oh, yeah.
01:08:01
So we'll appreciate all the nice comments tonight.
01:08:04
We hope everyone had a good time in this show.
01:08:06
God, we got Stephen back in.
01:08:08
Not sure what happened, but glad he's back.
01:08:10
So definitely appreciate all the comments.
01:08:12
Really good chatter tonight.
01:08:14
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01:08:17
I will do that.
01:08:18
I have some local local beers in my fridge right now.
01:08:21
So also, by the way, I like you.
01:08:23
Ah, like how you made it, Mr Memphis tonight.
01:08:26
Oh, I I thought you didn't think it from your classroom.
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01:09:06
I think that about does it for tonight.
01:09:08
Shall we let your followers I have two followers on my you tube page.
01:09:12
Uh, my side of the page today, I was gonna say, Are they like Mom's that have a crush on you or something? No, they just meals.
01:09:22
A friend of a friend about the friend. Me on Facebook.
01:09:25
And as always, of course.
01:09:28
Where's Rico? You guys been getting a lot of Rico lately, so I mean, give us a chance.
01:09:33
Right? Uh, Rico was on two days in a row.
01:09:35
So, uh, invade, humid, Mr.
01:09:38
Mathis, by the way, as people are leaving because they're leaving in droves now because we this is the longest sign off of all time.
01:09:44
But if you are in Buffalo and you know any of the local brewers craft brewers in Buffalo, I want to get buffalo fanatics and a local Buffel brewery.
01:09:58
I want to find ah, partnership.
01:10:00
And I will not rest until there is a being dignity being buffalo fanatics.
01:10:06
I p a at some local brewery somewhere.
01:10:08
So I need ah, I need Ah, I need somebody with the hook up.
01:10:13
Somebody with way up a local brewer.
01:10:16
Why don't we just Why don't we just know? Why don't we just start our own line of beer shy to start shy to start brewing my own beer in my garage? This Let's just make our own line of beer.
01:10:26
The Buffalo Buffalo fanatics teaching and become a brew meister.
01:10:31
You know, it takes like 20 years to become a brew meister like legit room Istres in Germany.
01:10:36
Start like apprenticing when there was brewmaster.
01:10:39
No, it's through my Germany.
01:10:43
Right, some through my eyes.
01:10:44
I took a tour it every once in North Carolina in North Carolina.
01:10:48
By the way, one.
01:10:49
Which wall? That's your birthday.
01:10:51
Nashville? No, it was in Ah, Greensboro.
01:10:55
But oh, let me let Oak Yes, yes, Red oak.
01:10:59
And I talked to the guy.
01:11:00
He said that in Germany, the broom Istres start apprenticing when they're like 13 14 and can actually become the brew master until they're like 34 35.
01:11:09
So dropping some knowledge bombs on your people, it's what I do.
01:11:13
We'll have to talk to Pierre about this, Uh, BF beer.
01:11:17
Mature.
01:11:18
We, uh we've got the uh, the way that I still went through with I mean, I can brew my own beer.
01:11:24
I've done it before, but I still think the big thing.
01:11:26
Anything. I p a is a great name.
01:11:28
It is.
01:11:29
A great name is great name.
01:11:30
I come over the all round.
01:11:32
Let's Ah, let's end it on that.
01:11:35
I guess, uh, we'll get we'll take We'll take ideas for beer names.
01:11:39
How about that of the, uh, between shows? So all right, ladies, jump until next time.
01:11:45
Go bills, go bills.

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