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00:00:05
Yes.
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What day it is? Yes.
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What day it is, Mike Spencer.
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Can't say Spencer Todo Joe Zizi expenses the expenses.
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Not easy.
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Spence is hard to say that fast. It's crazy.
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What's up? Your You know what day it is? It's Wednesday.
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So that means it is Hump Day hotline Come into your life.
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I got my main man, Joe Miller, with me up Wrong way.
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Got my made from Wheeler with did I'll Never get It right.
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I'll never ever, ever.
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And as you know, I am your co host, Jay Spence The King.
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What's up, brother? Uh, man, I'm having a good day.
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How are you doing? I'm doing great.
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I can't complain.
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I can't complain it all a lot of good stuff going on.
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Obviously, the players reported, which is sweet, So yeah.
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Yes, this is good.
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Well, you know what players reported, but we've also had some if he knew.
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So it's being kind of bittersweet for some things, but I think towards once once we get to the seas and I think everybody would be healthy.
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I know.
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Uh, we got some cold Beasley news that weaken touched on yesterday.
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We got some news about starlet to lay.
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We could talk about what happened.
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What happened with Cole Beasley? Tell me that.
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Do that news first.
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Well, Co, apparently they play someone uninjured list because of his upper back injury.
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I feel I feel your pain, Cole.
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I feel it.
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Yeah, mine is lower back for the most part, you Teoh.
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I'm just a lot probably double his age. That's the only difference.
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Yeah, think Oh, Beazley's younger to me. I'm 34.
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Yeah, OK, but anyway, we're gonna actually talk about to start the show off those So we'll come back to the Kobe Everything.
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We're obviously gonna catch all your guy's comments.
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So really hit us up in the comments were trying to be really interactive today, trying to talk as much as possible.
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Remember, super chatters get priority.
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So hump that life, let's do it can be a part of this man.
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No, that's good stuff.
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And we can talk about we could talk about just the covert stuff is it pertains to training camp.
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I've got a decent enough handle or grasp on it.
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If anybody's got any questions, we can answer some of those questions to Ah, but like Spence just said I mean, this is this is your show eso as much as we have content.
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And if you want to sit there and listen to us podcast, we can bring content to you.
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But that's not what we want.
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We want you guys to interact with us.
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We want you to chat us up.
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We want you to smash that like or humped alike.
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As J.
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Spence just said again as he said, super chatters get priority.
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So if you're on YouTube and you super chat, you're gonna light this place up, which effectively is what we want.
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So Ah, yes.
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So what is going on with Starla Tulay? Give me some of that noise.
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We'll be honest before you get I want I want to come off the wanted.
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Like off the rip.
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I just want to go with the hot topic we were talking about.
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Come on, you're gonna start there.
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I must start there.
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I'm gonna start right there.
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I'm gonna start right there.
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All right? All right.
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Way might not get to anything else judging, judging by the preloaded comments, the preloaded comments 1/2 hour before the show started.
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I don't know that we're gonna get there. But you know what? Voila.
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There's your There's your ticker tape.
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You know what? Okay, we know it.
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So I'm gonna ask it.
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So there's Josh Allen winning one.
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Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly.
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Are you As you're gonna have people? Well, I just read it the way you wrote it, but I'm gonna ask it now.
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I'm gonna axe people now, The way the question was originally posed in the chat, it was my question.
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Do you think that Jim Kelly gets too much credit? We're being this amazing innovative, uh, you know, like this great quarterback when they never won a Super Bowl.
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When you really look at it, he and Josh, I don't have the same won two Super Bowls.
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I'm not trying to make Josh Josh Allen into ah, he's not, You know, he's not the savior, you know.
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He's not that, but what I'm saying is they literally have the same amount of Super Bowl winds, not appearances.
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I'm not talking about No, listen, I'm going to tell you I'm not I'm not.
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There's a lot of people who actually you started comic.
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Well, then Josh Allen must be as good as Dan Marino.
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I didn't say that you did.
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You did not say, Well, really.
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The question is even about Josh.
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If I will be honest with you, think the question isn't even about? Josh kind of threw trash in there just just to kind of get people talking, because I knew comparing Josh and Jim would get people going.
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But in reality, the question is, Do we give Josh Allen? I'm certain? No.
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Do we give Jim Kelly too much credit for, um, making it, but never win? You know, in Buffalo, we kind of revere this guy.
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We treat this guy like he's, um you know, just we just treat him at the top of attack.
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He's the top of the top as far as a listers in Buffalo.
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And anywhere he goes, I bet you he doesn't have to buy a drink anywhere for sure, for sure, I guess the place that I would start unless you want to start with some of the people that are chatting in, um, you know, for me, I guess the question is, is it isn't Jim Kelly.
00:05:02
Who is it? Right? So if it's not Jim Kelly leading the Buffalo Bills to four consecutive Super Bowls.
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What quarterback is doing it? And then you have to You have to follow that up with the question of what was the talent in the nineties.
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And this is gonna be a very, very difficult topic to probably discuss because of the limited amount of people that are gonna be basically having a conversation about.
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I mean, I remember all of it.
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Ah, but a lot of people don't like a lot of people, you know? There's, ah, you know what is there? There's just There's just an aspect of like, you know, there's this.
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There's this aura around that nineties Bills team that somehow they were like the greatest team of the of the nineties.
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And they do.
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They had the most winds of any team in the nineties, and then they just couldn't like win at the end.
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But I think you have to back up with that.
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I was gonna act.
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So are they said if they couldn't win it, do they really qualified to be the greatest team of the nineties? Well, they won more games than any of the team did, but they didn't win the game didn't win the game, so that's absolute.
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But that's not the question.
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The questions about Jim Kelly does Jim Kelly get to interpret it? That was a question, you asked.
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So you have to ask the questions.
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Like I said before, if it's not Jim Kelly, who's doing it? So there's to me.
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There's a limited amount of quarterbacks that they're doing what Jim Kelly did in the nineties with this Buffalo Bills team, specifically based on the skill set that he had.
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And these were always my contributions to that chat.
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And we've already got our first super chat code, if any of the man.
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But like when you think about what Jim Kelly did, who he was as a player and what he accomplished, even though it didn't come through the end, there's nobody else in the NFL before Peyton Manning.
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That was doing what Jim Kelly was doing, and that offense was predicated on Jim Kelly skill set.
00:06:41
So does he get too much credit? I don't know that I would say that, I mean, and there was a lot of good teams, the NFL back then go ahead, go giving, giving, giving what Cody says, Cody, you got some news for it's time we see many years on the physically unable to perform list D.
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Williams and Vince and Taylor is on the cove in 19 lists and be easily with the back injury like we just spoke about.
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And, uh, a the best cornerback we've ever had.
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A Nathan Peterman.
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Where's where's Rico? Knock on.
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What if you're with me not regaling What if you would be so that just wouldn't say just on that covert piece.
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Just everybody knows that just cause they're on the cove in 19 list.
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That doesn't mean that they have cove it or that they tested positive for Coke over, and it basically means that they were.
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They either did test positive for covert or they've been in close proximity.
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So family member has cove it or a friend, or they've been in around somebody with covitz, other just taking precautions.
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So if I'm not mistaken, I believe they have tested negative twice, and then you have to stay away from the tinkle corn thing for a certain amount of time, correct to negative tests before they can come back to play.
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Correct, correct, correct.
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So thank you, Cody, for that super chat.
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You the man, you Domenico, just that Cody strolling.
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But But you said someone right before we read Cody's comment, you said something that I had you and I actually disagree about all the time since we have these Jim Kelly, you could be wrong.
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You said that.
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That's fine.
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If I'm wrong, I You know, I think my, uh, my last, but you don't You haven't accepted it yet.
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You haven't You haven't you haven't equity because I don't think I'm wrong with what I'm about to say.
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Okay, we're giving.
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And this is again.
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It's another way that Jim Kelly is getting too much credit.
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I think that Jim Kelly is not.
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You can't say Jim Kelly is the reason why Peyton Manning is like Peyton Manning and Jim Kelly are two different quarterbacks.
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Peyton Manning gets probably top three greatest quarterbacks of all time, whereas Jim Kelly isn't near this up by you're your age is speaking.
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That's like Page.
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That's like saying that Thurman Thomas had nothing to do with Marshall Falk in the way that they used Thurman Thomas versus the way that Barry was the player that Barry was a player.
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That and it was that Thurman Thomas coming before them and basically paving the way or providing a blueprint for Marshall Falk for LaDainian Tomlinson Thompson.
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For all these players, we have no problem is Bills fans like Bill fans all day long.
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Like, Oh, Thurman Thomas was the first all purpose back.
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He's got three or four consecutive years of all purpose yards from scrimmage like nobody ever beat that record.
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Thurman Thomas was the blueprint for all these running backs today, And when it comes to Jim Kelly, it's like, Oh, Jim Kelly had nothing to do with Peyton Manning.
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Really? Because Jim Kelly was the only quarterback who ever called his own plays from scrimmage.
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They tried it with Marino.
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They tried it with Terry Bradshaw.
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They tried it with several over all the quarterbacks before him.
00:09:18
And basically the piece that everybody misses and I give this to you all the time is Ted Marchibroda, the offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills.
00:09:26
When Jim Kelly became Jim Kelly and the Kegan became the cake, the K gun was Ted Marchibroda.
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Ted Marchibroda gets a head coaching job.
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Guess where he gets it in Indianapolis.
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Who does he draft? Peyton Manning? And then basically, he takes Jim Kelly's offense and expands it and gives it to Peyton. Now I'm never.
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There's nobody in the world that's gonna argue that Peyton Manning was not as good as Jim Kelly.
00:09:47
Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time.
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I think now there's people that think Tom Brady might be right there.
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I don't know.
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Tom Brady's a great quarterback.
00:09:55
I think Peyton is hands down the greatest quarterback to ever play football.
00:09:58
However, Jim Kelly doesn't exist.
00:10:02
Peyton Manning doesn't do Peyton Manning things, and I think we can both agree that players play based on and who they become is largely based on the coaches that coached them.
00:10:12
There are a lot of great players that became great players because of who coached them, and there's a lot of great there's a lot of players that fizzled out, washed out, never saw their potential because of who coached them.
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And at the end of the day you have to give credit where credit is due.
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We have somebody build backers.
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Can I just stop for a second? Hello from Bill's backers? Mexico.
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I got to get a bill like remark.
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Mark, Buddy Mexico, my family.
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We were all about it. We have been to Cancun.
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I think three times you've been the Riviera, Maya.
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Once we've been Kopelson Lucas twice.
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Like, if there's a place I'm going, I'm going to Mexico s Oh, absolutely.
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Hello? Bill's backers.
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Mexico like bro.
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I'm all about it.
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I'm all about it.
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So Ah, for me, there's a direct connection.
00:11:00
It may not be an umbilical, but it's almost umbilical between Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning, and that umbilical is his head coach.
00:11:07
I mean, you you can't deny it, you can robotic.
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And because I feel like I just feel like again, you're doing the Buffalo thing like fans of the Bills.
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No, it seriously, we And it is not just Buffalo.
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Every fan base doesn't there committed and they're connected to their team.
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So they give their teams too much correct and were given Jim Kelly way too much credit.
00:11:28
Peyton Manning and Jim Kelly are not the same quarterback.
00:11:31
Yes, Peyton Manning was calling cause at the line like Jim Kelly esque, But no, it's not like like Jim Kelly.
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And who else you can make it.
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Actually, the question like Jim Kelly and who else? Really? If you want me to be honest about it like nobody, because no running, no pay a man who did it in a way that Jim Kelly never could.
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So what out there? The only thing the only weight were the only two that have done it.
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One of them came before the other, and his head coach was the other guys offensive coordinator that designed the offense and then went out in hand.
00:12:03
Picked a quarterback to run his offense.
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Yes or no? No, not agree with you get, You know, like I'm a Bills fan, too. I'm a Jim Kelly fan.
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You see what I have in my collection? I took it out of my friend.
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You know that Bringing Producto.
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You know I love Jim Kelly.
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No, listen, I loved him.
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Kelly and I could be a fan and all.
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Still be honest, that the problem that I always end up having with these discussions, the discussions with Bills fans is that for some reason we can't look outside of the box.
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Is fire is saying okay? Yeah, I love my team, but they're not good this way or they need to improve this way.
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And if I do it, that means I'm not a Bills fan.
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That's not the case.
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I just So if you what you're saying is relatively valid, I'm not going to say that's not necessarily valid.
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What I would tell you, though, is this isn't Homer glasses were talking about.
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Staff were talking about real information.
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Uh, not to mention the fact that Jim Kelly when he retired and you can look up these statistics.
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Jim Kelly, when he retired, had better stats than John Elway, and he played in the sea in the league three less years.
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Jim Kelly did better than General.
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John Elway blows his numbers away now because Geno had three years before Jim and I think it.
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Four years after Gym or three years after Jim, Jim Kelly's numbers were better than Troy Pigments when Jim and I think Jim Kelly's number still are better than treatment.
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So I don't think Troy Aikman's a great quarterback, but to if you look at that time capsule as Faras when Jim Kelly played and when Jim Kelly retired and you stop the information right there when Jim Kelly retired.
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The numbers speak for themselves.
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It's not Homer ism.
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Jim Kelly's in the Hall of Fame for a reason.
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There's a reason, and it's not because he went to four Super Bowls.
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Jim Kelly as a quarterback did things that other quarterbacks have never done before, ever.
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And you can't argue that that's not a Buffalo Bills homer thing.
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The problem? The reason that it's a Buffalo Bills homer thing is because Buffalo Bills fans and know it.
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It wouldn't be Ah, Buffalo Bills homer thing if fans of the Dolphins knew it.
00:14:00
If fans of the Broncos do it, if fans of the Cowboys knew it, but they don't know it, they don't know that Jim Kelly was the only quarterback ever to call his own place for scrimmage.
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He was his offensive coordinator after Marchibroda left.
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What happened? That offense still was successful was still trucking people because Jim Kelly was the linchpin.
00:14:17
He was the guy.
00:14:18
And, yes, all the players around him helped.
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That's probably the biggest difference between Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning, and this is why I believe Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in like ever to play Peyton Manning elevated the players around him completely.
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He had some good players.
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He had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James, and he had Marshall Faulk and there were guys that he had.
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But he did not have the talent the Jim Kelly had around him.
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So Peyton elevated players around him, whereas Jim had talent around him.
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But as as Jim went, that offense went period.
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And that's just the facts as much as joking for blood, as much as as much as people in Buffalo love Frank Reich.
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And, you know, I've said for forever and set it on my podcast.
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The over action show a 1,000,000 times that were about the underdog Buffalo Buffalo fans like Love the underdog.
00:15:05
They love the guy on the bench more than they love the starter all day long, and Jim Kelly had his moments in Buffalo, where he didn't have a great reputation.
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Whether it was just rumors in the news and just not being nice to people in public where you know the reality is this.
00:15:21
Frank Reich didn't run that offense like Jim Kelly did.
00:15:24
Yes, he has the greatest comeback in NFL history.
00:15:26
But is that because he's Frank Reicher Is that because the talent around him I don't know the answer. That question.
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I just know that when I saw Frank, right? Play football is the Buffalo Bills quarterback.
00:15:33
They didn't look like the same football team.
00:15:35
Yes.
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You know, you could make this.
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You're right.
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They didn't look at the same football team.
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He won that game.
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But you're right.
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They didn't Look what you would have been a starter elsewhere if he was really good.
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But there you don't wish you okay.
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You didn't respond.
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You didn't respond to what I consider relevant.
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If we're in a court of law, it's valid.
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You did not respond to my point about Thurman Thomas Bills.
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Fans love to give Thurman Thomas credit all day long for being one of the very first all purpose NFL running backs ever.
00:16:01
You gave you Ting respond to it.
00:16:03
But Jim Kelly being the only quarterback at that time to ever call plays from scrimmage, use your argument against because I'm a bit about Frank.
00:16:10
Right? Is the same thing with tavon around.
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I'm telling you, Jim was not enough.
00:16:15
Thurman was amazing.
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Thermal was amazing.
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Andrey was amazing.
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We had other receivers that were amazing.
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We had defense. That was amazing.
00:16:22
Defense.
00:16:23
Yeah, the defense was not amazing.
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So we had defensive players that were amazing.
00:16:27
So Bruce Smith was amazing, but that bend, bend, but not break defence wall Corey was the reason that Buffalo Bills football team lost Super Bowls.
00:16:34
That the bend, but not break defence was not great.
00:16:37
I won't argue that.
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No, I agree with players that were great.
00:16:41
But what I'm saying is the argument that I can make is the same thing that you're saying about Frank, right? Was it Jim? You're saying like he led that he did all this stuff.
00:16:49
Was it the players around him? Because what Frank Wright was in that office didn't look the same.
00:16:53
You said yourself.
00:16:54
Peyton elevated people who weren't as good.
00:16:56
Jim Kelly had a team.
00:16:58
If you ask me that the leader on that team was Thurman time, that's on the offense, that leader or anything, it wasn't you could not listen.
00:17:07
I don't want to get into people's personal stories and stuff like that, but you know just as well as I do.
00:17:12
And I'm sure people in the comments will be honest about it and say There are so many stories and true stories that we know are true about Jim, that if he was playing today, we would not consider him a leader and he will be canceled according to.
00:17:25
But you and I, you and I covered this.
00:17:27
There's, you know, quarterbacks lead in different facets in different areas.
00:17:30
Jim is not a great leader off the field.
00:17:32
Well, that isn't true.
00:17:33
He was a great leader of the field, and when it came to, you know, post bickering bills uniting the team is a family.
00:17:39
You know, the requirement of all the players after games, win or lose, going to his house, being at the party, bonding, all that family experience.
00:17:46
He was always great at the podium, but on the football field, on the football field, Jim Kelly was the general like he was the general.
00:17:54
Like as that ts Jim went, that team went, period.
00:17:57
I mean, even Thurman Thomas.
00:17:58
When Thurman Thomas was having off days and bad days, they give the ball of Candy Davis.
00:18:02
And what would happen? Can he blow up? Get good numbers? So, Jim, there was nobody else.
00:18:07
If Jim wasn't playing well, that team wasn't playing well, and that's just the way that it was holding the clipboard real quick before before I read this, because I see a ton of comments that really thinks that we are comparing Josh and, uh, and Jim Wave posed the question.
00:18:24
We know we pose the question that way just to kind of get engagement.
00:18:26
But honestly, the question we can't compare Josh and Jim, we know it.
00:18:31
So everybody was yelling about it.
00:18:33
We understand we can't compare the two.
00:18:35
It's literally just a conversation about, um, if we feel like or if you feel like Jim Kelly gets too much credit.
00:18:42
You know, for the teams of the nineties, that's that's really always about what Bob says.
00:18:46
Holding a clipboard made a he same coach name.
00:18:52
I can't say Marchibroda that you didn't.
00:18:55
Marchibroda may write one of time out, Your Honor.
00:18:59
I rest my case.
00:19:02
Boxer broken.
00:19:04
I arrest my case.
00:19:05
Your honor. Right there.
00:19:07
Oh, no.
00:19:08
Hay is one of the He is one of the best coaches in the league today.
00:19:11
I will say that and I agree with that.
00:19:13
But like I said, that has nothing to do with the argument that we have a chip.
00:19:17
Kelly were giving him way too much.
00:19:18
And you Do you love him? I get it like you really love those guys from the nineties, but you experience it in a different way.
00:19:25
That I did so I don't have.
00:19:26
I don't have an abnormal love for Jim over anybody else.
00:19:29
Like for me, it's Ah, it's a holistic like appreciation.
00:19:33
I mean that that team defined in large ways Ah, use one of the debate That's funny.
00:19:39
That team, in large ways, defined my childhood, so I mean, I'm a I'm a Bruce fan.
00:19:45
I'm I'm according I'm a biscuit fan.
00:19:47
I'm a Darryl Talley fan.
00:19:49
I'm a Henry Jones fan like I loved Henry Jones when I was a kid.
00:19:52
I mean it Z, The reality is, is everybody that was on that football team and Jim was just another part of the team.
00:19:59
But it's not Homer ism toe to believe that Jim Kelly was the general and understand that, like, there's the one I've told you about this my favorite Tyrod Taylor moment favorite Tyrod Taylor moment.
00:20:11
Um and I don't remember the tight end.
00:20:13
I want to say it was Jason Crewes.
00:20:14
It might not have been, Ah, but maybe it was Lee Smith, but the team is that the line on basically the tight end is a little bit lost.
00:20:22
He's not exactly sure what's going on, so you kind of wanted to into 1/2 motion.
00:20:26
And the camera is like right on Tyrod Taylor right on his face.
00:20:29
And you see Tyrod Taylor look at him and he's like any screams get on the line like get on a line like that was Jim Kelly.
00:20:36
Jim Kelly was the general of that football team when they're on the football field.
00:20:40
As Jim went, that team went, period, and that's just the way that it was.
00:20:43
So does he get too much credit? You could probably make a case with the greatness.
00:20:48
I mean that you're talking about a team that put five people in the Hall of Fame.
00:20:51
You could make a case that Jim had amazing talent around him.
00:20:55
That that's probably something that doesn't get talked about enough.
00:20:58
The fact that the Bills put more players in the Hall of Fame from that team than the Cowboys did from their nineties team like.
00:21:03
It's amazing how many NFL Hominy players of bills put in all of fame from that from that team.
00:21:08
But when they were on the field when it came down to it, Jim was the guy calling the shots.
00:21:14
Like as Jim went, the offense went way.
00:21:16
Have a couple more here I need to pay attention to.
00:21:18
It's a tie, both making Scott.
00:21:20
It is not a tie.
00:21:21
I'm winning. He doesn't have the same Marchibroda.
00:21:26
I don't know whose.
00:21:28
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
00:21:30
The drunk man is that's running the Buffalo fanatics handle right now, But I think I've got control and I'll block you.
00:21:36
I'll block the Buffalo fanatics handled with a projected salary cap of only 175 next next offseason.
00:21:43
Uh, what position does that put the jeopardy of losing great players such as Milan await Edmunds.
00:21:48
To be honest, I don't think that it actually puts us in too much jeopardy for certain specific players because they're going to sign Trey way.
00:21:55
They're going to sign Edmunds.
00:21:57
He's not, but Molano It depends.
00:22:00
But the thing is with there's some players that I feel like we're not gonna have next season Just period.
00:22:05
We're gonna cut some guys or it's gonna be salary cap casualties.
00:22:09
We're going to keep our core players if we you know, there may be one or two that we feel like it's a star that we might have to let go just because But the core group of guys are all going to be there.
00:22:19
So it's if you and I hate I hate toe uh, pimp, my own show.
00:22:25
But Greg Thompson was on with me from from the cover One podcast Ah, a couple weeks ago and we talked literally about the free agents coming up.
00:22:33
If you get a chance to go back through the archives of ah Buffel fanatics and check that show out, we talked at length just about the guys that are coming up priorities and stuff like that, and I really got into and dug into it. Looks like we lost J. Spence.
00:22:46
I really got into and dug into Justus Faras like who's coming up and when and who do we let go? So when you're talking about this question, you know, the hard part about that 1 75 is the number was supposed to be, I think, to 25 or to 10 to 15.
00:23:01
So it's coming off like $35 million which is a big number.
00:23:04
So first things first, Edmonds is not necessarily going to get affected at.
00:23:09
Ah, Tremaine Edmonds is gonna They're gonna pick up more than likely.
00:23:13
My guess is his fifth year option, Josh Allen.
00:23:15
They're probably gonna push him to 1/5 year option.
00:23:17
There's an aspect of true Davis White.
00:23:20
They're not.
00:23:21
I can't imagine a scenario.
00:23:23
A world where trade Avis White is allowed to leave this football team.
00:23:28
I mean, trade loves buffalo.
00:23:30
That question was answered just a couple weeks ago.
00:23:33
Ah, he put it out on Twitter.
00:23:34
You know, nothing would be better than winning one for the 716 I mean, I don't know what more people need to see about Trey White now, when you're talking about guys like Milano Milano and Greg and I talked about and it's funny because everything Greg and I talked about almost changed or shifted just a little bit because of that 35 million.
00:23:51
Now the question is with it coming off 35 million that they're gonna push the five billion that they're expected to lose this year.
00:23:59
They're gonna push that into into the next several years.
00:24:02
So as much as it's coming out of 1 75 million for next year, what's it going to be the following year? And then what's gonna be the following? And and then what we can't determine at this point is you know, salaries go up, up, up, up, up Right, Well, if salaries, air, going up, up, up, up, up and all of a sudden the salary cap comes down, are these salary's gonna can continue to go up, up, up? Or does it turn into a situation where well, you know what? We've only got 1 75 and Matt Milano, we think you're great.
00:24:27
However, we're gonna have to offer you a similar contract with somebody got two years ago or three years ago when the cap was 1 75 And is Matt Molano willing to take that? I can't answer that question, but it's going to affect the future, and it's going to affect who we can retain, but it's not gonna affect just us.
00:24:45
It's gonna affect everybody ever only to be in the same boat.
00:24:48
So if we can't afford a lot of these guys, the reality is a lot of other teams that could be able afford a lot of these guys, which means they might come back and they might take a lower contract, maybe a shorter term, two year deal and then, like, try to cash out two years after that.
00:25:00
But it's definitely gonna affect us.
00:25:02
But if you get a chance, go back and listen.
00:25:03
That podcast, Greg tops.
00:25:04
It was he was on point.
00:25:06
So yeah, Gregory job shot up to Greg and those guys over it. Cover one.
00:25:11
They do a really good job, but breaking down film.
00:25:13
And you know, just those If that's family over there, that's family, would.
00:25:17
But let's get back to the questions.
00:25:19
We got a good one in here from actually going right back to what you're saying.
00:25:23
They can use the fifth year option on Evans to I was supposed to look this up.
00:25:28
Um, can you use it on multiple players? Yes, you Can.
00:25:31
I ask Greg Thompson that same question.
00:25:33
You can use it, but I'm in.
00:25:34
Yep, they used on Josh, Ellen and Evans the same year.
00:25:37
Well, I don't think I don't think they're gonna use it.
00:25:40
Obviously, I think there is going to give Josh that, um, extension there.
00:25:44
They're not gonna use the 50 year old trash.
00:25:46
You really think that's gonna happen? I have no idea.
00:25:48
Dude, I don't know. I mean, it's we've we've had a lot of conversation.
00:25:50
We've played a lot of one if games over the last couple weeks as faras.
00:25:54
You know, if this team makes the playoffs or misses the playoffs, and Josh was a great year versus Josh having a bad year and the team makes the playoffs Or, you know, Josh does what Bruce Nolan talks about, which doesn't progress, but he kind of plateaus.
00:26:07
So does Josh come out? You know, And instead of throwing 3700 and 3800 yards, does he throw 3200 yards or 3300 yards? And disease? Is that a throwing 20 or 36 touchdowns? Is Heathrow 22 touchdowns? So it's improvement, but it's not great improvement, you know, and I'm on record as saying that if that happens that like next year, there's a competition like there's a competition in Buffalo for for the starting quarterback.
00:26:32
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he can't overcome it, But I'm not ready to be the one to necessarily say what is or is not gonna happen. Right.
00:26:40
But they can use the fifth year option.
00:26:41
I don't know.
00:26:42
I don't know that they don't know.
00:26:44
I can't imagine they're gonna lock him up, both of them up prior to. But they could.
00:26:48
And that's a great point, Cody.
00:26:49
There's a lot of people to talk about. Dion Dawkins.
00:26:52
Um, the hard part about that council NDN, Dawkins Walkman Molano needs to be signed right now.
00:26:58
The hard part.
00:26:59
And this was a conversation that you and I have talked about Spence and Greg Thompson and I talked about as well.
00:27:04
It's much harder to find a left tackle late in the first round.
00:27:08
So if the Bills are what we think they are, and they're gonna be making the playoffs relatively every year, especially now that we're considering them to be a F C East favorites, you're going to drafting in the bottom six.
00:27:20
Right? Bottom five, Bottom six.
00:27:22
It's much easier to find an outside linebacker off the ball linebacker than it is to find a left tackle.
00:27:28
Um, and that's the decision that has to be made Like left tackles in the 1st 5 picks are easy to find.
00:27:34
Left tackles in the last five picks are not easy to find.
00:27:38
So not at all.
00:27:39
But, you know, And, you know, I'm on the record for saying as well are undrafted rookie Adams.
00:27:43
I believe this.
00:27:44
I really do think we have a diamond in the rough there.
00:27:47
If if he if he shows us something this year, man, honestly, I could I could really see him.
00:27:53
Oh, my camera turned off so I can really see him.
00:27:56
Yeah, I can really see him.
00:27:58
Um, you know, taking a road, proven himself on the raster, taken that role and been actually allowing Dion to be expendable.
00:28:08
Yeah, I like Chris. Yankees.
00:28:09
Comment.
00:28:10
The market for Milano won't be strong with shrinking camp cap.
00:28:12
I feel they will.
00:28:13
The will work out a fair deal for both sides, and it's gonna come down to what? You know.
00:28:17
It's always the piece that's missing from that.
00:28:20
Chris, um is it's always about, you know, the system situation, you know as much as we were talking about Jim Kelly.
00:28:28
You know, I firmly believe that Jim Kelly was not a system quarterback, that that basically they found a system, and Jim Kelly was able to just thrive in it.
00:28:36
But I think Jim would have thrived and he didn't run.
00:28:38
That system is a Houston gambler.
00:28:40
So when he was in Houston like he owned the USFL is an early quarterback running.
00:28:44
You run on the run and shoot.
00:28:46
Um, the question is about systems as it pertains to this defense and his Mat Milano system guy.
00:28:52
Or, you know, is he really a great player? If he believes he's a great player, if he believes that he's like the man, it's gonna be harder for him to be like, You know what? I'm gonna stick around.
00:29:02
But you know, stranger things have happened, But we've seen a lot of these players all throughout the NFL, not just for us.
00:29:09
We've seen them all come in.
00:29:10
We've signed those guys. We've signed the guys.
00:29:12
It was a Darnell Dawkins or is that it wasn't who's the big guard that we signed from Washington years ago.
00:29:18
Like we paid like $35 million he just basically tanked when he got here.
00:29:22
But regardless, I just don't agree with this, though.
00:29:25
I know I know you said you.
00:29:26
It's an interesting point, but honestly, I think if really the coaches in the NFL in the Scouts and NFL, they even know we feel like the media doesn't watch the Bills.
00:29:35
All these coaches watch film on all of these teams and they see these players.
00:29:39
I don't think Matt Bolano makes it back to Buffalo.
00:29:42
If we actually let him out on free agency, period, I would agree.
00:29:45
I would agree. Totally idea.
00:29:47
Yeah, I'm totally in agreement as far as that goes.
00:29:50
So yeah, you were somebody Derrick Dockery.
00:29:52
Derrick Dockery.
00:29:53
That was the name you knew most. Like, literally.
00:29:55
I remember when we signed, it was like, yes, and then it was like, Oh, never mind.
00:29:59
So yeah, Elliott says, Dawkins is It was also Captain harder to replaces.
00:30:03
Zhou said, We love Milano, but I think we won't have to pay Milano as much.
00:30:06
He's great, but I just don't see like I don't know, man.
00:30:12
I don't want to let my mind go.
00:30:14
I agree with you that it's harder to find a left tackle or a tackle at all like it is, but definitely a left tackle.
00:30:21
Let Molano man, he's special.
00:30:23
He's so special.
00:30:24
And I know we drafted him late, so a lot of fans didn't have the same type of expectations because of where he was drafted.
00:30:30
But even if you watch this film and college, this kid in college, in the NFL, he's doing the same thing he was doing in college and they just he just slipped through the cracks.
00:30:37
I don't know why and how.
00:30:38
But listen, this guy is not.
00:30:41
He's name is not like a he's gonna make money through.
00:30:45
The only thing you gotta tell me and show me the tape on is the fact that this defense is different when Malala was not in there.
00:30:51
And it just is this defense.
00:30:52
They rotate those defensive tackles like crazy, and we can say good, bad, indifferent things about Starla Tulay opting out.
00:31:01
Excuse me, You know, and how you feel about guys like star, uh, versus at Oliver who were all in love with or, you know, horrible Harry Harrison Phillips who were all in love with you.
00:31:11
know we could talk about these defensive tackles all day long, but the reality is as they Cory, look at court.
00:31:16
Liggett came in last year off the street, and, like, performed in this defense.
00:31:23
Matt Molano.
00:31:24
When he's not playing, this defense looks different.
00:31:26
It just looks different.
00:31:27
It just is what it is.
00:31:28
So, yeah, I saw it comin earlier.
00:31:32
Um, obviously we know going down, Gary.
00:31:37
You know, it was in response to a question that I have posted a second ago.
00:31:40
That actually said the Dallas is in trouble as far as the cap space.
00:31:42
What we were talking about? Yeah, Absolutely.
00:31:45
Absolutely.
00:31:46
They air in rough shape, you know, went down.
00:31:49
The Dallas is going down.
00:31:50
Gary guy with Gary went down.
00:31:53
Gary went down, Uh, love for a minute there.
00:31:56
But he says that 51 reasons why you don't let your son run your Twitter account.
00:32:00
Good God, that's just the sidebar comment.
00:32:04
But so you've seen people say that, um, not to let Micah Hyde walk.
00:32:08
Didn't I? Might be crazy.
00:32:10
Didn't we recently just extend him employer? We just extended player.
00:32:16
I can look it up.
00:32:17
I don't know what is in this country, so I'll look it up.
00:32:18
You could do it.
00:32:19
I mean, I just feel like we extended both of them because I remember people being, you know, making over these comments.
00:32:25
And I'm like, No, we only we only extended.
00:32:27
I think Boyer came in on, like, a three year deal and and hide came in on a four or five year deal and two years in or something that we were extended player, like, three more years.
00:32:35
And I think Hyde is living on a five year eso hides.
00:32:37
Got a couple more years left.
00:32:39
I could be wrong. I had it right. Like I said, I had it. My nose.
00:32:41
I had it in the notes with, ah on the show that it would Greg Thompson.
00:32:45
The problem is, is when his contract comes up, I think maybe 32 or 33 which is old for safety Now, as much as they move a lot of defensive backs cornerbacks to the safety position when they get a little bit older.
00:32:55
Cornerback is a different skill set.
00:32:57
Notre Devious White is far more.
00:33:01
He's more of an athlete than Michael hiatus, right? So I mean There's just different skill sets as far as that goes, but yeah, so yeah, but But you're right, though to is a five year deal back in 17 So yeah.
00:33:12
Yes, just a couple years left.
00:33:13
Now, you know what else I'm worried about? Jim Kelly, You're not, But that's OK.
00:33:21
That's OK.
00:33:22
Why you don't love me? Why, You know, love me cameras back.
00:33:25
Well, I guess I can't switch off the app when looking up stuff.
00:33:30
Yeah.
00:33:31
Oh, you don't? I would say I got second computer, so let me know.
00:33:33
I can look stuff up, so it's not that big of a deal. Here's what's up, though.
00:33:36
Chat us up.
00:33:37
So also, super chest get get brighter for those of you that may not know what that is, if you're watching us on Facebook or you're watching us on Twitter, uh, you basically can't super shadows.
00:33:45
You have to jump over to YouTube.
00:33:47
Ah, and basically, if you keep saying basically it's not basically if you super chat us, which you just throw in a couple of bucks or whatever or icy Rico Rico, get $100.
00:33:57
If you want to throw $100 I'll send your birthday card.
00:33:59
Ah, but if you super Chad us, your chat or your question gets priority, but yeah, chat us up now smash that. Like, I think.
00:34:07
Last time we left the show last week, we had I think it was 244 likes because we had the snafu of how many likes do we really have right now? Because we couldn't actually see them live, which was funny, but yes, mass that, like, way got, like, 90 people watching us right now, which is cool.
00:34:22
So be it. Be a part of the show.
00:34:25
Don't Ah, don't sit back and just take it in, uh, interact with the bills. Mafia.
00:34:30
That's that's in the chats.
00:34:32
Talkto us.
00:34:33
Ask us questions.
00:34:34
We're here for you, but we probably should get to, uh, hide.
00:34:37
Employer are getting older.
00:34:38
We have surround Neil coming up the ranks.
00:34:40
Suranyi, listen, impressed me.
00:34:41
That's just me you can speak to.
00:34:42
It can swap a good free agent safety.
00:34:45
Trust me being a draft coach, gonna replace them thoughts on that.
00:34:52
I agree that obviously we could draft, but here's the thing again.
00:34:56
We're homers now, so I get that Brandon being and Sean McDermott have done well so far.
00:35:01
And I'm not questioning them.
00:35:02
I love them, and I trust them.
00:35:04
But here's the thing.
00:35:05
Your dictations like this to say it that easily.
00:35:07
Oh, yeah. We just draft another one like it's nothing.
00:35:09
Listen, is not that easy, man.
00:35:11
Like, And I get it that these guys are good, but we have to stop being so like, Well, can we just start with the fact that we didn't draft hide employer? We didn't.
00:35:23
It's not that easy.
00:35:24
I'm telling you, it was that easy.
00:35:26
If it was that easy to draft those guys, everything would have.
00:35:29
You know? You know who he did draft? You know who didn't want to come to little You know who doesn't want to leave.
00:35:40
Yes, you did. I did, too.
00:35:42
I did, too.
00:35:43
For 13 years came back.
00:35:44
So he went here.
00:35:45
He did go there.
00:35:46
He went to Houston and anyone who, especially New Jersey General for one year.
00:35:49
But the league folded.
00:35:51
So I ended up coming back to coming to Buffalo, which was sweet.
00:35:54
Um, so what should we move on to what time is it? We've been live What time is it? It's 906 Do you want to move on to the other topic? Which is Ah, what we teased, which is still running? Is the ticker down to the bottom of screen? Does Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl? I'd love to know what the fans think.
00:36:10
Like I said, this garnered a lot of comments, even when we before we started.
00:36:14
So before the short showing live with a bunch of comments, US Robotics at the top and, uh, whistles back, I want to know what you guys think does.
00:36:21
Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly.
00:36:25
So Jim Kelly going to four Super Bowls and there's a lot at play, so your mind can wander all over the place.
00:36:30
So, you know, as it pertains to how he wins or what You know what the score is, Or is he the reason that they win, right? I mean, but that's the question of the day.
00:36:39
Does Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly and yeah, I was coming here.
00:36:45
I don't think that Ah, we need I don't think Josh needs to win four.
00:36:48
I just thinking when one.
00:36:49
As much as we love those guys from the nineties, we love them because, yes, they made it to the big game four times.
00:36:55
We love them because for the most part, during that time, they were extremely dominant, right? If if the Bills win one Super Bowl with Josh Allen, I don't think I don't think you have seen what love is.
00:37:08
You know they're the city full.
00:37:10
It was going to make this guy Josh Island.
00:37:12
I think it depends.
00:37:13
I think, really, if you have cash in one's, a Super Bowl of the Buffalo Bills and his stat line is 189 yards passing and 75 yards rushing, and he's got one touchdown and two interceptions.
00:37:25
I don't think it's Joshua Allen love at that point.
00:37:27
I don't know because I see Josh when he might have an off game.
00:37:31
But I guarantee you he's not gonna happen offseason to get us there.
00:37:34
So Josh Adam has been leader for the No.
00:37:37
In order to get to the Super Bowl.
00:37:38
There's no way Josh Allen have 100 yards.
00:37:41
No, that's what I'm saying.
00:37:42
Yes, that that sound That's not why I'm wincing, because I don't understand that comment makes a ton of sense.
00:37:48
I get it, but you don't.
00:37:49
You don't apply the same logic to Jim Kelly, who owned the NFL as a quarterback in the nineties, but he lost the last game of the season.
00:37:57
Therefore, he gets way too much credit for what he does like I disagree with you and this is what the topic is about.
00:38:02
I disagree about the type of credit that Jim Kelly gets because I feel like we just give him too much credit for things that other people did.
00:38:11
What I'm saying is at this point where Josh Allen is in his career, there's no way that if he makes it to the Super Bowl, he's gonna have a horrible season and then just have, you know, like if he has a bad game in a Super Bowl, but he leads us to the Super Bowl and we win it.
00:38:24
I'm telling you, the love will be there.
00:38:25
The love is there for Jim Kelly losing it four times.
00:38:28
So of course, is going to be there for Josh Api.
00:38:29
Was it once right? For sure, and this is a good one, so I know you're at the top, so I'll be at the bottom.
00:38:34
No question, he says.
00:38:35
No, it won't as much as we hate that they never one.
00:38:38
It's still hard to be that consistently good and make it a four Super four straight.
00:38:41
Your for your straight.
00:38:42
Still an accomplishment on its own.
00:38:44
And what gets lost in this is the fact that the two years before they went to the Super Bowl, they went to the A F C championship game loss to Cleveland.
00:38:50
Ah, and then they lost to the Bangles in the playoffs the next year in 89 then they won't divorce trait.
00:38:55
That team was dominant for a very, very long time for me.
00:38:58
I'm not necessarily sure that, uh, I don't I don't think that Josh winning one Super Bowl affects Jim Kelly's legacy.
00:39:08
I think Jim Kelly will still always be a hometown hero.
00:39:11
He will always be that guy that didn't want to come to Buffalo, finally came to Buffalo, turned this franchise into something it had never been before, took it to four straight Super Bowls, and on the day that he retired from the NFL, stood at the podium and cried his eyes out and said, Buffalo will always be my home.
00:39:27
I mean, there's just there's a redemption quality to that story that we as Bills fans, it just connects with us because we are Western New Yorkers. Buffalo.
00:39:37
It's funny because, like I was talking to somebody today, it's amazing to me that I was having coffee today with a friend, and it's amazing to me that people that are from Buffalo, Western New Yorkers love buffalo and hate New York State.
00:39:50
Think about that for a second.
00:39:52
People there from Buffalo love Buffalo with all of our hearts.
00:39:55
We will go to the mat and come to blows and like, we'll fight the entire neighborhood in Arizona if you speak bad words about Buffalo.
00:40:04
But if you want talk about New York State, we all hit New York State, which is interesting.
00:40:07
So there's a redemption quality.
00:40:09
There's something about being, and if that underdog spirit comes from, there's something about being from Buffalo and just knowing at the end of the day that this guy did like he's choosing us now and he never left.
00:40:20
So I think There's something about so Jim that legacy will always live out.
00:40:23
Now this is the caveat if Josh wins two Super Bowls or goes to two and or or goes to three and wins, too.
00:40:31
You're talking about a different conversation, and what's funny about this is, and I don't think about it often.
00:40:36
But I have thought about it.
00:40:37
Is the Brett Farr versus Aaron Rodgers conversation Like Bret Farve was an unbelievable quarterback.
00:40:43
Brett Farve was like insanely good.
00:40:45
And if I love bread far, I love Aaron Rodgers, and I don't know that I would have an easy time.
00:40:50
Is a Bills fan picking far over Rogers? I'm not exactly sure which one I would take over the other, and I think that's literally where it would put us.
00:40:57
It would, as much as they wouldn't be back to back like Farman Rogers were, they're still gonna be Ah, I'm not sure.
00:41:03
And I think what's gonna happen is you're gonna find a lot of the younger fans who have not seen a winning Buffalo Bills team except for the last couple of years in their entire lives, latching on to Al in the way that old fans like me have latched onto Jim Kelly.
00:41:16
But that's just what I think is that Millennials would more so stay.
00:41:20
Just younger people don't care about the past speaking, and that's what I'm saying.
00:41:24
So, like, I agree. Angela Hand.
00:41:27
Young people don't care about the past, but the Dolphins fans do.
00:41:31
Emma, right, Kevin or my right started in 1972.
00:41:37
We were undefeated.
00:41:38
Yeah, and you were going on 15 1972.
00:41:46
But, um, it's like a Browns fan, something their chest about the championships they won in 1935.
00:41:51
It's like this isn't working, bro. Just stop.
00:41:53
That's like That's like those fans.
00:41:54
If we wanted to go back about the games that we want in the NFL, like it's not the same thing like those championships are not Super Bowls.
00:42:02
Zach Allen's I mean, I agree, Zach.
00:42:04
I mean, that's one Super Bowl win is bigger than four losses. It's MAWR.
00:42:08
That's why that's why tagged on all the stuff that I said, there's more about the Jim Kelly story than just the four Super Bowls are the four Super Bowls.
00:42:15
But there's so much more to that story about Jim than just the four Super Bowls, right? Yeah, but again, I keep going back to get your point is what I'm saying.
00:42:25
Like, I fully understand it, but I'm just saying, I really think because we haven't won one, we can't really say how is gonna be.
00:42:32
I guarantee you when If the bills win the championship with Josh high on this quarterback, I'm not saying, uh, Jim Kelly B for gotten I once was.
00:42:41
No, but what I'm saying because we're talking about the four Super you're like, No, it's not gonna be enough.
00:42:45
He has to go to work and maybe go to three and win two or something.
00:42:48
If Josh Island wins one Super Bowl and never goes again, Josh Allen is going to have a statue is going to be cold.
00:42:55
I know about that.
00:42:56
If the first quarterback to Super Bowl in Buffalo won't have a statue, Jack Kemp doesn't doesn't have a statute.
00:43:03
Here's here.
00:43:04
So I'm gonna be honest with you.
00:43:05
I'm gonna be honest, but he doesn't know I'm not crazy about that.
00:43:07
Jack Kemp does not have statues.
00:43:12
Here's the reality.
00:43:13
And my wife my wife, makes fun of fun of me for this all the time.
00:43:16
I've got two little girls.
00:43:17
Um And so for those of you that have done personality tests and leadership things Simon I and T J So I'm an anti ah high I and T j I'm in any a gram. Eight.
00:43:28
So I'm a challenger.
00:43:29
Um, I don't cry.
00:43:30
I'm extremely detached from my emotions.
00:43:32
So much so that when I had my two little girls I didn't cry when they were born Have they softened me? Yes.
00:43:38
My two girls have soft and I'm going somewhere This will just be patient.
00:43:41
My two girls have softened be tremendously But I did not cry when they were born with my two daughters were born I was busy counting fingers and toes and making sure that they were breathing Vs Like you know, some people talk about like, Oh, the baby came out like I just wept.
00:43:53
That wasn't me.
00:43:54
Here's the reality.
00:43:55
I love Jim Kelly.
00:43:56
I'm wearing the dude's jersey.
00:43:57
I'm a nineties Bills kid like Like I said, they defined my childhood When Josh Ellen when Josh Ellen ones a Super Bowl as a buffalo Bill, I'm gonna weep.
00:44:09
I'm gonna and my wife knows it like I'm gonna I'm gonna stand in the living room unless I'm there at the game and I'm And when the parade happens, I'm gonna cry again because there's so much of my identity that's wrapped up in this stupid football t that like And I'm not the only one you're gonna cry Beer is gonna cry Rico's gonna cry We're all gonna get the game crying Buffalo is gonna burn like the city is gonna burn That dominated the Buffalo Bills with Super Bowl.
00:44:36
Go ahead with the word No, we're all gonna be there crying.
00:44:38
No, but, uh, he he says, Tony says, Yep.
00:44:42
You'll be telling the grandkids to gather around and tell the story of Josh or the legend of Josh the night before the Super Bowl.
00:44:49
It was the night before the Super Bowl.
00:44:50
In the nineties, bills were all drunk.
00:44:54
The nineties bills were all drunk.
00:44:55
There are stories that we hear about the nineties bills and certain leaders that you seem to think, you know, was that leader.
00:45:04
But they were drunk.
00:45:05
Oh, so you're blaming your blaming everybody? You're blaming everybody being drunk on Jim Kelly.
00:45:09
So everybody being drunk before the football game was saying Heard stories about Jim Kelly being hungover at halftime.
00:45:17
I heard stories that it was that can't say it's true.
00:45:21
I've heard stories about Santa Claus too, but I don't know what to tell you.
00:45:24
So don't read.
00:45:25
No fat man in a red suit comes in my house on Christmas Eve that if kids, your kids, if you're listening I'm just kidding.
00:45:31
There is a Santa Claus.
00:45:32
No, there's nothing gave up as he gave up on that camera.
00:45:38
Yeah, I'm just gonna switch Teoh, you the good news.
00:45:41
This is your attractive.
00:45:42
So as an attractive guy, like when? When? When your camera freezes.
00:45:46
At least you're good looking, right? So although what? I don't think that I am, But what is that? Mus**** yellow Bills hat like what in the world this is the actual is a one.
00:45:55
A one? Um, I have my man Tyrod room and find my daughter.
00:46:03
My daughter is trying to blow me up on my phone like she's calling me over and over and over again.
00:46:08
I got some pretty decent stuff.
00:46:09
I got some, uh, this is my favorite.
00:46:11
When we play against the Dolphins fans, though my absolute favorite, he doesn't look like Sway.
00:46:20
Who was your most away from sway in the morning? I don't want to look like sway.
00:46:24
I don't who sways.
00:46:26
Do you want him on the radio? That said, Rodney Harrison was like, Bro, Rodney Harrison is watching us on YouTube.
00:46:32
You right now you're always going to do is trash the Bills.
00:46:38
You didn't tell us how bad were and that they're not gonna win anything.
00:46:41
Well, I would.
00:46:42
I would take the guest.
00:46:43
Okay, I would take the guest.
00:46:46
I think it's Shawn Merriman on the show.
00:46:48
Wouldn't be amazing.
00:46:49
Sean Maryland, like Shawn Merriman, is like the quintessential all Bills fans hated him until he put on a Bills uniform like Remember that? Like they had that one amazing preseason game.
00:46:58
And then that was it.
00:46:59
And he's still a Bills fan, which is cool.
00:47:01
So what's going on? Give us some questions.
00:47:03
Feel I feel like we're power power and down a little bit now that yes, they send us some good questions, guys.
00:47:08
I know way already talked about, uh, Josh Island Jim Kelly debate, but let's get some different topics in here.
00:47:15
Elliot agrees with you, bro.
00:47:17
Elliott agrees with you.
00:47:20
I feel like everybody honestly will agree with me when it happens.
00:47:24
Like right now you're saying this because you were so humbling.
00:47:27
Port, You're so happy.
00:47:29
I am.
00:47:30
I honestly have.
00:47:31
And I feel like everybody agrees with me.
00:47:34
No, I said, You will once this happens, because here's the thing.
00:47:38
If if we win one Super Bowl, I guarantee you I'm not saying we're gonna forget the past about the nineties, but the celebration of one championship.
00:47:49
Come on, man.
00:47:51
I I I admitted to you on the air for But it's not about the that I'm going to cry.
00:47:58
What do you want from me? I want you to admit that of Super Bowl victory is better than four Super Bowl losses.
00:48:05
A Super Bowl victory is better than four Super Bowl losses.
00:48:08
Yes, but your that's not the question.
00:48:10
That's not the conversation.
00:48:12
A Super Bowl victory does not erase the accomplishments and achievements of the greatest quarterback to ever.
00:48:20
Donna Buffalo Bills Jersey, this quarterback right here, Jim Josh Allen has a ways to go to eclipse the accomplishments of Jim Kelly is a pretend And then we have this conversation in the chat to one Super Bowls greater than everything.
00:48:32
But Jim Kelly is a Hall of Famer, and that is the greatest personal accomplishment you can have.
00:48:36
A Super Bowl is not a personal accomplishment.
00:48:38
Winning, going, the Hall of Fame, going to Pro Bowls and go to the Hall of Fame.
00:48:42
Josh on also has never gone to a Pro Bowl, so there's personal accomplishments, team account accomplishments, Super Bowls of accomplishment. But that's a different.
00:48:50
That's a different debate.
00:48:51
Pro bows are really pro.
00:48:53
Bows are a popularity contest.
00:48:55
In the nineties, the Bills were probably the most popular team in a F C other than like Miami because of Marino.
00:49:01
Like there's a couple, you know, I'm not saying it like they were D, but they were one of the most popular teams, especially after going to the Super Bowl four years in a row.
00:49:08
So Jim Kelly was popular.
00:49:10
He's gonna go to the Probo general right now.
00:49:12
The team that we have in Buffalo, how many pro boaters do we really have every year? We were lucky when shady went, and it is only because he was shady before he got here, and everybody still knew him to be shady.
00:49:21
But we have certain players every year that will come in here.
00:49:24
They might not be, like, literally top five in the league in certain statistics.
00:49:27
But we have top players on our teams, maybe not 50 but literally we'll have one or two sprinkled and and they don't get the recognition that they deserve.
00:49:35
And so what I'm saying is you can't compare like pro bows and Player of the week and all that stuff when it comes down to popularity.
00:49:43
Cody Finney. I'd love that.
00:49:45
I mean, I'm in, bro. I'm in.
00:49:48
No, no, no.
00:49:51
He had his chance in the nineties.
00:49:53
He had four chances to get his ring. He's retired.
00:49:57
I love you know, He's really funny.
00:50:01
No, I love it.
00:50:02
I love it.
00:50:03
We go once a rule signs You killed a one day contract? Yep.
00:50:05
Actually put it on the coaching staff.
00:50:06
He did.
00:50:07
He did put the ball on the coaching staff and they worry.
00:50:10
And Pierre, we are from two different areas, but I'm from the air. That's right.
00:50:14
Just so you know.
00:50:15
So see that? That's what happens with these baby boomers? Are you a baby boomer? Do you want me to come through this phone computer right now and punch you in the face? Hey, I knew Joe is not a baby bell.
00:50:27
Rogers.
00:50:28
What? That's going to get a reaction at him.
00:50:31
Gen X baby gen x X.
00:50:37
But Cory said, Ah, he's a t o got the key to the city before playing a single snap.
00:50:41
If Joshua is the Super Bowl, they might rename the city after him.
00:50:44
This is what I'm saying.
00:50:45
Like I'm telling you, Buffalo, we just have, like, a jaded memory.
00:50:48
We forget everything when we get comfortable in something new.
00:50:51
Like when CEO got here as a free agent before he even signed Snap, You had the mayor out there all excited about him.
00:50:58
Come and you had the new like it was.
00:50:59
It was so different.
00:51:01
It was it wasn't t o.
00:51:03
Coming to Buffalo was a nice day, but it wasn't one.
00:51:05
Drew Bledsoe came to Buffalo.
00:51:06
It was like Drew Bledsoe coming.
00:51:09
A buffalo was big.
00:51:10
It was a huge.
00:51:11
It was a great again.
00:51:13
It was.
00:51:14
It was.
00:51:15
It was the second coming of Jim Kelly like So we thought. You imagine.
00:51:18
Now imagine the energy that's gonna happen that Sunday night in a February when Josh Allen is raising the Lombardi Trophy standing next to Brandon being and Sean McDermott, you don't think Buffalo is gonna literally like Buffalo.
00:51:32
Listen, man, I just I can't with you tonight, remember? I don't know that time.
00:51:37
I really just like you're pounding me into the ground.
00:51:39
On what? The conversation.
00:51:41
The argument is not your pounding me in the ground on how excited Bills fans are gonna be of Joshua and hoist the Lombardi.
00:51:46
It's true we are, but it does not negate the legacy of Jim Kelly.
00:51:50
I never said is gonna negate the legacy.
00:51:52
That's the question at the bottom.
00:51:53
The question, that's what taker.
00:51:55
That's not the question that I originally posed in the group or on early.
00:51:58
What's your question? What's the question? Original question was, do we give him too much credit for not winning or actually the way I work? The question was, do we give Jim Kelly too much credit for having won the same amount of Super Bowls as Josh? That was the original question.
00:52:13
He hasn't won any So how are we giving him so much credit for being such a great on? You'll need to help a brother out like hell No, not you.
00:52:20
I mean, the people.
00:52:21
The fans like me to help me out.
00:52:23
Jim Kelly has the same amount of Super Bowls is Josh Allen, Antron Edwards and J. B.
00:52:30
Lawson and Kelly Hopman Woods.
00:52:33
Sean SE Josh Allen wins the Super Bowl.
00:52:36
He'll surpassed without question without that's question.
00:52:41
Question.
00:52:42
What do you think? The ultimate goal.
00:52:45
This is a time out now, not a technical foul.
00:52:48
Time out.
00:52:50
Josh Allen this year or next year, Josh on in the next two years, wins.
00:52:54
The Super Bowl is the Buffalo Bills quarterback.
00:52:57
You can get there any way that you want so they don't make the playoffs this year or they do.
00:53:01
Uh, and then they went next year or they win.
00:53:03
This year, they don't make it next year.
00:53:05
Then Josh Allen leaves in free agency and goes to Miami and signs $185 million contract.
00:53:12
Still better than, like gets more accolades.
00:53:13
And Jim Kelly, you're full of No, they really know.
00:53:19
Do people people still 25 years later, Hold a grudge and Thurman Thomas for signing with the Dolphins for one year.
00:53:27
And Thurman told you on your show.
00:53:28
The reason that he did it was because he didn't even get a phone call.
00:53:31
He saw it on ESPN ticket all on the bottom like that.
00:53:34
Thurman Thomas was cut from the Bills today.
00:53:36
That's why he went.
00:53:37
That's why he went the dollars and any Bills fans giving him grief about that.
00:53:41
I see Bill saying I don't want to see pictures and video.
00:53:44
I'm saying I don't see it.
00:53:45
How do you see people saying that? They don't want to see? Even when I did the show, I put a video of, like, thermal from Miami and people were like, Oh, man, you just had to play the video.
00:53:55
I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that.
00:53:57
So I don't hear people saying Thurman, you know, uh, he should have never I don't hear that.
00:54:02
I hear them saying, God, I don't want to see those pictures.
00:54:04
It's weight videos.
00:54:05
This is This is right After with the whole concept or idea that Joe Borough is somehow a better quarterback in Josh Allen right now, can we let the kid play it down by? Josh needs to finish his career before we decide.
00:54:15
We need to find out of Josh Josh on these to play a career of football before we decide Josh Allen could win a Super Bowl as a Buffalo bill and then turn into Mark, Rip in and suck and be cut.
00:54:25
Two years later, you're not telling me that Josh Allen is more beloved than Jim Kelly.
00:54:29
If that happens, it's just not true.
00:54:34
People have a Super Bowl.
00:54:37
He will be forever loved in Buffalo, and not if he starts sucking Brad Johnson.
00:54:41
I mean, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, like I could go on and on with quarterbacks that won Super Bowls it like weren't great.
00:54:48
Quarterbacks like Trent Dilfer is not beloved in Baltimore.
00:54:51
Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl 56 years ago, and people in Baltimore hate the dude for Kate.
00:54:58
Hartman has won Super Bowls, but I'm talking about the first Super Bowl.
00:55:01
You're bringing up stuff that's not relevant.
00:55:03
That would be trained for verbose.
00:55:04
That would be trying over Okay, Trend over is not love in Baltimore.
00:55:11
It's Also Baltimore is not that you're not comparing the same stuff, but some were also isn't the city who had to go to four straight Super Bowls and never one and then, two decades later, finally win with the quarterback? I'm saying with what Buffalo has been through.
00:55:25
If Josh Allen wins the Super Bowl, there will be nobody.
00:55:28
Who, who what? Who? How about if Josh has Eli Manning type career? He's beloved in New York.
00:55:36
All right, getting me Are you kidding me? They were ready for him to sit down a little.
00:55:42
No, no, they were ready for him to sit down, but they loved him.
00:55:47
Thank you, Tony.
00:55:48
Where Who is this Tony guy? Are you on Twitter? Tony, I need to follow you.
00:55:53
Me? You need to be friends.
00:55:55
This isn't true.
00:55:58
It's true, I said.
00:56:00
I said it was the last week I said it just a couple weeks ago that I've never seen a situation where an opposing team quarterback came into our stadium and got a standing ovation before the game.
00:56:08
That happened last year, and you think if Josh was a Super Bowl and then go somewhere else in free agency that he won't be beloved.
00:56:14
Still, your trip him and people are gonna love Josh Allen to the day that he dies.
00:56:21
And after his legend over there, saying they can't get to come up somewhat like, Why would not publish What, uh, there goes tell you that.
00:56:35
What clique? That you must take it off.
00:56:36
Oh yeah, we have to click at the same time.
00:56:41
Eso Yet Buffalo definitely has the on to the next mentality.
00:56:45
Josh wins one and then start sucking will be campaigning to get rid of him.
00:56:51
I don't believe that, Dude, if here's here's a fun situation.
00:56:55
Josh on one's a Super Bowl, right? So this year, Josh on wins the Super Bowl.
00:56:59
This year, the Bills come out next year and stinking up the place stink up the place, which has happened.
00:57:05
There's been championship teams that have fallen off the year after they won a Super Bowl.
00:57:09
It's happened.
00:57:10
It's a very, very common story.
00:57:13
So Josh Ellen regresses the team doesn't play well.
00:57:16
In the meantime, Jake from has a fantastic pre season next year, right, and people see it.
00:57:23
Josh gets hurt that year that he kind of regresses.
00:57:25
He comes out, wins two games for the Bills.
00:57:28
There's a quarterback controversy in Buffalo, and people are running that dude out of town, running him out of town and you know it's true.
00:57:37
So where is the legacy in the folklore? At that point, it's back to Jim Kelly.
00:57:42
I feel like we're saying it's because we haven't won when you win, winning the gate, so much stuff man is gonna be, I think, the biggest you keep using keep You've used several times the Homer Ism conversation and Kevin in the chat talks about the homer goggles.
00:57:57
You what the homer goggles are.
00:57:59
The Homer goggles are the assumption that we is Bills fans have that.
00:58:03
Somehow, Josh on is gonna have the same career that Jim Kelly have had.
00:58:07
Which means that, like Josh on is the next coming.
00:58:10
So he's gonna win a bunch of games and go toe championships and have a chance to play in the Super Bowl.
00:58:15
There's a chance to Josh.
00:58:16
Ellen May never won a playoff game, right? I mean, there's a chance you have is the chance that he could win a Super Bowl in seven years as the Bills quarterback after a career of mediocrity, Like Joe Ferguson.
00:58:27
I mean, Jefferson didn't want Super Bowl, but I'm saying, like, he could be mediocre.
00:58:31
Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:33
I think I think there's just this Steve Joe spends.
00:58:38
We Axler Whose team again? Looking after you.
00:58:41
What? Actually, guys know what in the comments? Let us know.
00:58:43
Looking.
00:58:44
Look, look, look, Dad, you have to pick one of us.
00:58:46
You can't pick both of us.
00:58:48
One of us have to be your favorite.
00:58:49
You said nobody will have a favorite.
00:58:53
Mom and Dad have a favorite.
00:58:54
We know it's right there.
00:58:55
You, Cody Finney, is like, Do I love you, bro? I love you like this guy.
00:59:00
Like we're going to have to show this, though, because this comment has been posted 47 times.
00:59:05
Thank God.
00:59:06
I'm not the only one who thinks Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time. He is.
00:59:10
Well, he is.
00:59:11
Okay, we agree.
00:59:12
That's why I haven't brought it up, but yeah, no, it's it's true already.
00:59:16
And the reality is for me.
00:59:18
Um, if I'm putting if I'm putting Tom Brady and I'm putting Peyton Manning in a contest between who's the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
00:59:25
The argument is going to come back to not how many Super Bowls Tom Brady one.
00:59:29
Because we all know that the head coach that Tom Brady had is the greatest head coach who has ever coached football period in the story.
00:59:36
What it comes back to me to or when it comes back to me for they say that, right? Whatever.
00:59:41
What I have to come back to is the season that Peyton Manning didn't play.
00:59:46
His team went one and 15 the season that Tom Brady didn't play.
00:59:50
His team went 12 and four, and that literally is where it comes back to for me, like we'll have to.
00:59:55
That's I'm team Peyton, although I'm actually excited to see see time down in Tampa Bay this year just because of what you just said.
01:00:03
You know, it's like so when these things were you watching, it is like, Oh, that guy is good But then when you think about it, like you said, the coach is really good to the system is really good and it's like when he wasn't when he was injured.
01:00:13
Grant, I'm not saying at all that the other quarterbacks looked like I'm still won games and they still performed.
01:00:19
So it's one of things.
01:00:20
I'm actually excited to see him see how he performs down there in Tampa Bay with the whole new coach, a whole new offensive coordinator in new.
01:00:27
But other than Grant now, um, but new receivers.
01:00:30
I got bad news for you.
01:00:31
Tom Brady is going to a head coach that loves to throw the football all over the field, and he's got real weapons.
01:00:37
E.
01:00:38
I don't think Tom Brady's arm is as strong as it was like looking at a last year.
01:00:43
I don't think it needs to be.
01:00:44
And I think he was checking the ball in the dirt because he was so afraid to get hit on the doesn't have that problem do.
01:00:47
There's all kinds of people blowing this thing up. Team Joe.
01:00:52
That's what I already knew.
01:00:53
We only had the one he finds the won t know.
01:00:56
But you know what? I wanted to shout out, Um, I want to start up my guy Mark.
01:01:00
That's the only reason why I picked that one, because eso mathematics that the former Buffalo Bills player Saturday's if you guys are interested every Saturday.
01:01:09
Lately he's been doing bingo.
01:01:11
I will post it on Twitter so you can if you want to get involved. You can.
01:01:14
It's so much fun.
01:01:15
He has special guest this weekend.
01:01:17
I don't know if I can tell who it is, but I'm gonna tell you it's a special, actually.
01:01:21
Just tell you if I get in trouble.
01:01:22
Markham.
01:01:23
Sorry, Uh, they're gonna have Eric modes Eric Moses Saturday and Steve Christie next Saturday.
01:01:28
So it's gonna be a couple of good guests.
01:01:29
Is $20 per bingle bore, But you get the face time with these guys, and you have conversations to tell good stories and you have some fun. I want this.
01:01:37
Two weeks ago went on the show, so it's a it's a really good time.
01:01:40
So I make sure I put that up here.
01:01:42
You most makes some good points.
01:01:44
You doesn't think you're dead to appear dead to me.
01:01:49
I'm gonna have to have to reach out to cover one or rumblings to see if they're looking for talent jumping ship.
01:01:57
I'm jumping ship, baby.
01:02:01
You got one here to Joe versus any other guy, that school school job, But you know what? Before, Before we had to show, though I actually told jokes because of the love that Buffalo Bills fans really have for their team and because the way we love our players, I knew I wasn't gonna win this debate in the fans eyes.
01:02:17
But when Josh Allen was the Super Bowl, I would really like actually, you know what? I'm going to save this.
01:02:22
I'm gonna download this whole thing after it's done and I'm gonna save it.
01:02:26
So when Joshua, is this the first video in my post that I might be right? Great, Because the only debate that I kind of clause I lost you ever was about Kirk Cousins.
01:02:34
And then somebody showed up with receipts.
01:02:36
Have you posted to Twitter? Thing is, what's going to take to get Kirk Cousins of the Buffalo Bills? So that's saying that you know, like I think I won that debate to No, you didn't.
01:02:47
You didn't just just liking fans were on your side.
01:02:50
And any time that Viking fans are on your side, you're not.
01:02:52
When I'm just telling, that's a l love Richard Rush.
01:02:57
Rich Russians, the man.
01:02:58
This is good.
01:02:59
Zach Allen I agree with you.
01:03:00
Zack expenses The man.
01:03:01
He's one of my best East.
01:03:02
He's one of my BFFs.
01:03:04
Appreciate that.
01:03:05
And I appreciate you, Joe.
01:03:06
I have fun doing this stuff with Joe.
01:03:08
Joe is awesome.
01:03:10
Try.
01:03:12
It wasn't a low blow, Pierre, because the thing is like I said I was fully prepared for.
01:03:17
I literally found the tweet before somebody else could do it and I screen shotted.
01:03:21
And I said, I said that the job.
01:03:23
And I said, I really don't have a problem with cousins.
01:03:25
Biking winner.
01:03:28
This which one did you just pull it up? Thanks for putting the big game since Oh, yeah, Uh, one above it.
01:03:34
Kelly's legends legacy will never take a hit. I agree.
01:03:37
I mean, I just you know what? That's not That wasn't the debate, because I do see that those comments keep coming up.
01:03:42
I've never said, um, that Kelly's legacy was gonna take a hit.
01:03:47
What I'm saying is, if Josh Allen wins one like the love that we have for Jim Kelly won't even be comparable to the way they're going to level.
01:03:57
That's what it's a time thing to.
01:03:59
I mean the amount of time that it's been since, you know Jim is played football.
01:04:02
So this is great.
01:04:03
I see this like because if you follow my zipper's years, who's Ah, uh uh, it's gone out.
01:04:09
Um, Mike Servers Years.
01:04:10
Who is Ah, Vikings fan and a Bills fan like people are in his mentions all the time blowing up the bills.
01:04:16
It's funny because they are salty, like Viking, super duper salty about the Buffalo Bills.
01:04:20
It's that we are living rent free in their heads, and it's awesome.
01:04:24
Is anyone over 35 on Spence? What's that mean? So the debate that we're having anybody over the age of 35 are you on my side? So is there anybody over the age of 35 who thinks that if Josh having wins a Super Bowl, that the love for him would be something that we haven't seen, you know at all in Buffalo? Somebody give me Rico's bell.
01:04:43
Ring was sick.
01:04:47
That's the other night when you got that $100 get $100 super chatty, saying, remember, it was amazing.
01:04:52
Rico's hilarious mitt.
01:04:53
And then here's another.
01:04:54
We got a couple over 35 whose, whose in agreement with me about the love that Josh and I will get all three home, all three.
01:05:04
But Cody's 27.
01:05:05
And he agrees with you.
01:05:06
So I don't I don't necessarily think it's the age thing, but I also do think that it depends on how you fell in love with the team.
01:05:14
To that, to me, that makes a difference.
01:05:16
If you fell in love during a time when those guys in the nineties or even before that and then you kind of fell into those guys, um, or if you fell in love after, because for me, I was a kid when the guys were going to Super Bowl.
01:05:27
I liked football, but I was a kid.
01:05:28
So really, I liked it cause my grandfather and my father like when I really got to the point where I started to love football.
01:05:35
My favorite player, like my favorite player on the Bills team when I started to love the team, was Doug Flutie.
01:05:40
Yeah, so that's what seemed like I fell in love with the Bills when it was a completely different roster.
01:05:45
So, no, I don't look at it through the same lens, but I do appreciate Jim Kelly Thurman.
01:05:48
Time is Brooke, although I appreciate them for the legacy, the four Super Bowls.
01:05:53
I'm not a fan that's embarrassed.
01:05:54
When I talk to people, they're like, Oh, you guys, never one for you before I'm not embarrassed.
01:05:58
I'm like That's an accomplishment.
01:06:01
So Tony B says I'm 46 but and I love Kelly, but I will be king.
01:06:05
The problem that I have with the statements.
01:06:06
What has said, We just don't know what else is going to do the rest of his career.
01:06:09
If Alan washes out of Buffalo, even after winning a Super Bowl, I just don't see it, so I just don't see it.
01:06:15
It's like the Jordan LeBron debate.
01:06:16
Once LeBron is done, the fans will be young enough to not really have the same passion towards Jordan.
01:06:22
LeBron is not the goat, it's Michael Owen.
01:06:25
I'm 47 years old and I watched a lot of Michael Jordan.
01:06:27
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player to ever play play basketball hands huge LeBron seem like I'm a huge LeBron and Jordan is the gold man.
01:06:39
It just is what it is.
01:06:41
If you've watched the do***entary, even if you have it just going YouTube and watch.
01:06:45
Just just watched Jordan.
01:06:47
There is. It is not a debate.
01:06:49
Kelly is not Jordan.
01:06:50
Let's not compare just no link to the Jordan saying, Listen, that compared like that because I think Alan was surpassed.
01:06:57
It's apples and oranges.
01:07:00
I mean, even when we say Peyton Manning is not, you know, is the greatest quarterback of all time.
01:07:04
I mean, Peyton is not Jordan.
01:07:05
Jordan just had there was something about the way that dude played basketball and he would just take over games.
01:07:10
It's probably more relevant.
01:07:12
A Gretzky comparison would probably be a little more relevant.
01:07:15
You one guy on a smaller team that's just basically taking over everything, which is what Jordan did.
01:07:20
Jordan was just other world.
01:07:22
It's I steer away from those LeBron versus Jordan debates because you can't win because you're fighting with a bunch of people that never watched Jordan play.
01:07:30
And it was like, How do you know? Anyway, just moving on is Rico, even in the haven't seen Rico.
01:07:37
Have you seen Rico? I don't know.
01:07:39
Caitlin. Caitlin? Whose Team? Rico. Tonight.
01:07:42
Why are we talking about? Because I I started singing Ring my Bell.
01:07:46
So no, she just She just shown us in love.
01:07:49
So, Rico.
01:07:50
Oh, yeah.
01:07:51
So, Rico, to come over here sometime, I got some heat for him, and he's been running for you.
01:07:54
Tell Rico to come on the hotline so I can show him in front of Caitlyn.
01:07:58
Who's the main? So So, Rico is, you know, Rico Rico is the easy.
01:08:04
Oh, jeez, E o g.
01:08:05
But he's Oh, here we go.
01:08:06
Not going to say nothing about you, about your about to get run out of town, actually, already out of town, I'm about to get run out of town, Rico being any being, being being.
01:08:16
So I think we're just hanging around with Rico's people right now.
01:08:19
Like when peers say Kobe Bryant is definitely He's close, but he's not to go.
01:08:27
He's closed.
01:08:28
He stopped five for me, and I'm a Lakers fan.
01:08:33
Absolutely true.
01:08:34
That's what that's if Spence is right about Josh Allen.
01:08:37
That's the reason right there.
01:08:38
That's the reason if Josh is right about about John.
01:08:41
Spence is right about Josh, and that's the reason, because the memory thing.
01:08:44
So, in my opinion, that's just my opinion.
01:08:47
You know, I mean, that's it.
01:08:48
That's a good This is the way to look at it, I guess.
01:08:51
My argument, though, isn't about the bite.
01:08:53
What I'm saying is, let's just take take away the recency like if you let's just say we're 10 20 years down the line and then we come back and look at it after Josh Winds.
01:09:02
What I'm saying is the one wind will be weighted.
01:09:06
It will just mean so much more than the four losses.
01:09:09
That's so we haven't had a super chatting a while.
01:09:12
What you want when you When do you want to wrap this thing up? It's 9 39 so way we have eclipsed the hour mark and ah, it some point.
01:09:20
I think we're just ah, hamsters on the hamster wheel, if you know what I'm saying.
01:09:24
Ah, what you got there Anything Alistair Pascali.
01:09:27
But it'll take more than one Super Bowl to do it.
01:09:28
I'm a big Tim.
01:09:30
I just don't understand how four losses would need more than one win.
01:09:34
I just don't get that.
01:09:36
And I think I'm a Kelly hater.
01:09:38
I'm not.
01:09:39
It was I loved. It was more than four losses.
01:09:41
It was more than that.
01:09:42
It was more than four losses.
01:09:43
I mean, it's the winningest team in the nineties.
01:09:46
He made the Hall of Fame like it's even if Josh wins the Super Bowl, it's on a guaranteed Hall of Fame ballot.
01:09:51
I mean, it's right.
01:09:53
I mean, there's a There's a lot to it.
01:09:55
So it was a lot to it.
01:09:56
O J. Simpson is the goat. Don't at me.
01:10:00
I wouldn't debate you, but I don't I don't want people yelling at me today, so yeah, yeah, I'll stay out.
01:10:07
Steer steer clear of that one as well.
01:10:09
So do we want to wrap this thing up? So just so everybody knows my name is Joe Miller, and you can find me on Twitter how we kill all this stuff.
01:10:16
So get rid of getting open up, and then we just gotta get through it up there.
01:10:20
That's what happens every time.
01:10:22
We can't get away. We just can't get away.
01:10:25
I love the show.
01:10:26
They have.
01:10:27
Thanks, Josh.
01:10:28
Joshua, I don't know if you like to be called Josh. Look alike is actually thank you.
01:10:30
Yeah, dude, for real.
01:10:31
And we love the interaction, so that's probably as much as I love doing a podcast on Dino Spence does as well.
01:10:37
And for those of you that have not listen to my podcast dispenses podcast, Um, you know, we enjoy like that part of the content, but the fact that there's an opportunity to interact with you guys is like it's it's other world like the real time conversation.
01:10:53
I wish that we could get you guys on the show.
01:10:54
Somehow it would be in tremendously awesome, but obviously this is somewhat limited.
01:10:59
So well, she got going there.
01:11:00
Is that Cardinal your card nail Based on talent? It will take a lot for just be declared better than Jim.
01:11:05
But hero status will come up.
01:11:06
Josh Ones of Super Bowl. It's true.
01:11:08
I'm not saying it's not true.
01:11:09
I just don't know the gym's turn legacy is tarnished.
01:11:12
Enlist.
01:11:13
Josh is going to doom or Teoh Eclipse, and that's the like, I said.
01:11:16
That's the Rogers five debate.
01:11:17
I don't know.
01:11:18
The Rogers has eclipsed Farve in Green Bay.
01:11:22
He may have one they want, like when he wants for Super Bowl.
01:11:24
There may have been a ton of love for him, but now that the years have droned on a little bit like I'm not sure that Rogers has eclipsed far in Green Bay.
01:11:32
See, that's that's interesting.
01:11:33
I would have I have some friends that actually lived in Wisconsin.
01:11:37
I want to ask because the thing is outside looking in, it looks the way they loved five in that city was different.
01:11:44
You mean like and I feel like they appreciate, um, Aaron Rodgers for his talent, his pinpoint accuracy, His leader, You know, like they appreciate him, but I just feel like the connection to the city was completely different for Brett.
01:11:57
Yeah, No, I agree.
01:11:58
I agree. Totally.
01:11:59
Totally.
01:12:00
So we're we're getting a lot of fanfare for Rico.
01:12:02
So we're going to get Rico on the show, so Yeah.
01:12:04
And just for the record, I know I'm joking, but I love Rico.
01:12:08
I love all my guys.
01:12:09
Listen, support the entire buffalo fanatics.
01:12:13
Raster, we have hat hot topics coming at you every single day.
01:12:17
We would keep adding talent.
01:12:19
We got some this stuff coming, and, uh, season's coming.
01:12:22
So we're actually we're about to be in the mode for it, So I'm telling you, if you like the topics now, when you think how they are You think they're going? Well, when the season gets here hummed a hotline is especially going to be high.
01:12:33
The recall reports going to especially be hot.
01:12:35
Those guys is gonna you know, everybody.
01:12:38
So so really support all my guys And just everybody knows that the Humpty hotline is gonna have a little bit of a different feel in season because we're gonna be talking about things that went right and wrong on Sunday.
01:12:49
And we're gonna take the rest of show to talk about and take questions just about what we think is gonna happen in the preview sense for the re coming.
01:12:55
So it'll be far more interactive even than it is now.
01:12:58
And obviously will be fielding questions, which should be fun.
01:13:00
And maybe throw some fantasy stuff in there, too, Which I gotta pay you for your fantasy league.
01:13:03
Still that you invited me to? I'm done that yet.
01:13:06
Oh, my gosh. $1.
01:13:07
Calling me again.
01:13:10
Well, like the, uh, somebody just that I feel like the legend of Rico with a clip.
01:13:14
Josh Rico, as fans, man, it z he casts a big shadow is casting a huge shadow.
01:13:25
That's so funny.
01:13:27
That's funny. Rego got me here.
01:13:29
What's that say? But I love you is exceptional.
01:13:31
I give him a judge in love.
01:13:37
That's hilarious of worry, Ellie, If we don't get an actual hotline is coming.
01:13:42
I'm trying to make it.
01:13:43
I'm trying to make it happen by the time this season gets here.
01:13:45
So one more month and I'm hoping that we're able to have the interaction live on the show on and if not, what I can actually do.
01:13:52
You know, I have an idea that we might we might talk about, But that happened.
01:13:55
What's your idea? Give it to me now, brother.
01:13:58
What my is because you know we can have guests on here.
01:14:01
I would say like the week.
01:14:02
So for instance, like now we're looking at comments that the people who super chat if you know, weaken invite them in as a guest on the show during a season.
01:14:11
Yeah, about that super chatters.
01:14:13
Yeah.
01:14:14
The person who was super chest the most during an episode will have you as a guest on the next show.
01:14:17
Could be dangerous.
01:14:18
Like it could be like they might.
01:14:21
It could be one of two things they like.
01:14:23
They could be horrible, like, totally freeze up on air and just be like or they could be, like, awesome.
01:14:30
And then they kick one of us off the show like, Hey, we want that guy.
01:14:33
So, Joe, you're gone.
01:14:34
All right, so you never know.
01:14:36
Although I think I think Rico might take her spot.
01:14:39
I'm just saying, I think we could afford a phone.
01:14:41
I think so.
01:14:42
Just doesn't want his number out.
01:14:44
I think that's what it is.
01:14:45
Yeah, that's what it is.
01:14:48
I'm not a scholar.
01:14:49
So no nobody when you call me anyway.
01:14:52
Uh, way.
01:14:54
Listen, guys do only so much fun, Kyle. Over.
01:15:00
Do you want to go there? No, I don't want to go there.
01:15:03
I feel I feel like we'll go there.
01:15:06
Oakley eso in the chat Guys in the Buffalo Fanatics chat.
01:15:12
We've been having these debates, probably for the last, like four weeks, literally, about Kyla Murray, Joe Borough Josh, seven.
01:15:19
In just different quarterbacks who really, Steve feels like he could pick over Josh Island at this point.
01:15:25
Um, the worst topic for the wears one that he chose was Joe Borough and everybody's opinion because, you know, that is not the worst trouble.
01:15:34
Lawrence later Trevor Lawrence of the year You forgot about the kid get first right when he's ready.
01:15:43
I feel like Steve's gonna do the same thing again next year.
01:15:45
He's going like Steve.
01:15:46
He's just Steve.
01:15:48
He says he loves Josh, needs a Bills fan.
01:15:50
I just don't I just don't know, man.
01:15:52
Yeah, I just don't know the legend.
01:15:55
The legend of Judge Mathis.
01:15:56
I love it.
01:15:57
Dude, I love the fact that he's building a following. I love.
01:15:59
I love the fact that he's not afraid to bring some takes That might not necessarily be popular, even if I don't agree with him.
01:16:05
And the reality is, is you know, I do the same thing and you do the same thing.
01:16:08
And and Steve is the man I appreciate Steve Appreciate the way his mind works.
01:16:13
Um, I just do.
01:16:14
I got mad love.
01:16:15
I got mad love for him.
01:16:16
So that's just that's just a personal thing to know.
01:16:18
Steve is the love, Steve. Absolutely.
01:16:20
So he's the man he's the and the energy brings to is just like off off the charts.
01:16:25
So yeah, he has that.
01:16:26
He definitely has some takes that a lot of people don't agree with.
01:16:30
But what I'm learning is to since I've started doing these shows, when you have those takes like that, you have to stand firm on them because you know the amount of people who will try to change your boy or you change your opinion.
01:16:40
For instance, My Cam Newton ST everybody in Buffalo disagree with me, but every other show that I've been on as a guess discipline that a Buffalo disagrees.
01:16:49
But there's so many people outside of Buffalo.
01:16:52
I've been a guest on shows lately, and I'm telling you, outside of Buffalo, the view is that Cam Newton and has something to prove, and he's going to do it.
01:17:00
And a lot of people seem to think that he's actually gonna bring a some type of, you know, little bits of that offense that Tom Brady couldn't do.
01:17:09
For instance, he couldn't run him.
01:17:10
What do you think the media line is going to be about Cam Newton in New England? Do you think that they're going to like? I think he's gonna suck this year? Sorry.
01:17:17
No, there. Of course we're gonna pump up.
01:17:19
It's a freakin Patriots.
01:17:20
Of course, that's what the media know.
01:17:21
The media saying that he'll set No saying that, dude everywhere that I don't get and I don't see any camera.
01:17:27
I'm seeing everybody saying that his Army shot is throwing motions off its throne, But that's what everybody's saying.
01:17:34
Here's I said it before talking to.
01:17:36
But when I'm talking to beat reporters like people who are in, like not and I'm not just talking to England, be reporters sometimes beat reporters for teams, the view one Cam Newton is completely different than what the reporters on TV Ursa and what you're saying.
01:17:52
Way to get a job.
01:17:54
I I haven't seen anybody talking about how cam other than you talking about how can and Patriot fans telling Ron came has something to prove.
01:18:02
I haven't seen nobody talking about that, but that's just me.
01:18:05
That's just me.
01:18:06
Sorry.
01:18:07
You read the during the Jets, you can hold me to it.
01:18:11
I'm not saying that the patch you're gonna go 16 or no or 12 and four.
01:18:15
What I'm saying is, Cam Newton is gonna I'm not a patriot late.
01:18:18
Let me back up.
01:18:20
I'm not a patriots made this, um, a Cam Newton, but no, no.
01:18:23
Let me make my love very clear.
01:18:25
Parallels Cam Newton.
01:18:27
Cam Newton is my guy.
01:18:28
He's got my guy since he was at Auburn.
01:18:30
I love him.
01:18:31
I've always left here.
01:18:32
If you if you If you go dispenses Twitter and you search J Spence and Robert Kraft, you'll see Tweet Re says that he believes that craft is innocent.
01:18:40
Just, you know, if you find if you find it, please send it to me.
01:18:44
I would you Would you $100 check right now? Like immediately, That's what.
01:18:49
I was just gonna say something Cameron was, though. That's funny.
01:18:52
Um, well, yeah, you in your country it Union Patriots love Cam signed for league minimum.
01:18:56
Something's broken? No, he signed for league minimum because that's the narrative, is that something's broken? I'm telling you, he's going, especially on the league minimum.
01:19:04
He's gonna prove you wrong, and he's going to tell you it's gonna be a walk over when we get when we get to those two games this season.
01:19:11
Don't go in there overly confident.
01:19:14
The best part about this conversation and just our relationship in generals.
01:19:17
It's so good cop, bad cop and it's not planned.
01:19:20
You're just the bad cop all the time.
01:19:21
I e actually said in the chat the other day.
01:19:25
I'm like, Yeah, I'll be the bad guy about this. He's like a newsflash.
01:19:28
You're always always the bad guy because you're a Patriots fan.
01:19:32
Just admit it, own it, bro, Your a Patriots fan who writes checks of bankers.
01:19:39
You know it's true.
01:19:41
He works for a bank boom, boom.
01:19:43
By the way, there's so there's like there's, like, 80 people watching this thing.
01:19:46
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01:19:48
So if anyone much in what I got so much in ah, here, they call it hair.
01:19:57
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01:20:01
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OK, ok, OK, because, uh, my wife just got home and I'm hungry.
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She got subway.
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So did you see that? You say that, you know, I put it up there.
01:21:11
Monument Cody finished making something.
01:21:16
So where is it? Oh, you're just looking for one? Yeah.
01:21:20
Does that count? Let me.
01:21:23
Okay.
01:21:24
This is what I do hit me up in the comments real quick.
01:21:25
Let me, actually, because there's a bunch of fantasy leagues that are about to start drafts and, you know, other stuff.
01:21:31
Like Joe just mentioned he isn't it in the league with me as well.
01:21:34
So if you do not have the number one or to pick, you got number three.
01:21:39
Who are you picking? Oh, you're asking me at addressing the people? Well, the people is gonna take them a second.
01:21:49
Getting sick on Barclays.
01:21:51
Are we talking PPR? Are we talking? What? So that the sake ones going first? So sick when Barclays going first.
01:21:58
And at that point in time, I mean, you're always going to be in an argument at number two over, you know, probably one of the great wide receivers, right? So Julio Jones, although did Michael Thomas Did Michael Thomas opt out? Or was that just a joke that I saw on Twitter? I don't know, but I'm taking I'm taking CMC second.
01:22:17
No, no, no.
01:22:18
I was I was done.
01:22:19
I wasn't done.
01:22:20
I said there's going to be an argument about taking one of the great wide receivers.
01:22:23
Second, somebody always seems to come up in that top three spot to take one, Guys.
01:22:28
Yeah, well, you didn't hear me wrong. I just didn't get to finish.
01:22:31
So yes, I mean, for me at three.
01:22:32
If CMC is there, I'm taking CMC, um, from ah from a total overall running back standpoint, I don't know if there's anybody I'm trying to do.
01:22:42
The math in my head is far.
01:22:43
Not the math, which is strange breaks on the players in my head.
01:22:45
I don't know that there's anybody left worth the third overall pick from a running back standpoint.
01:22:50
I mean, the running backs were pretty deep this year.
01:22:52
Um, you know, you're talking about a lot of teams like Singletary is gonna have the value.
01:22:56
I don't think that he had last year.
01:22:57
I think Moss is gonna cut the news carries.
01:23:00
But, I mean, he wouldn't be worthy of the top three pick anyway, But I don't know.
01:23:04
Um, yeah, what do you Would you take it three.
01:23:07
But you got to love you know who's going first and second.
01:23:09
I mean, you can't just be like, 03 I'm taking this guy.
01:23:11
Yeah, I got so first, um, obviously, like you said Barclays going first, then I think McCaffrey's going second.
01:23:21
So, me, I'm sticking with a running back.
01:23:23
At this point, I would go with Zeke.
01:23:27
Ah, probably.
01:23:29
You're probably right.
01:23:30
Um, so, Zeke, what so z I took? I think it took the third last year.
01:23:34
Um, if I'm not mistaken in one of the league's that I was in and I want my league, by the way, um, interestingly enough, um, it's tough to see sparks in here, but yeah, it's gonna be CMC or Barkley, right? So what I'm saying, there's always everybody.
01:23:51
Everybody knows it.
01:23:52
There's always the one guy that top three picks that, like, jumps up and takes.
01:23:56
Actually in the top four, a quarterback and wide receiver.
01:23:58
There's always somebody that doesn't in a PPR league.
01:24:00
Like uh, OK, like PPR leagues.
01:24:03
The first A player should always be running backs, in my opinion, but that's just me.
01:24:07
So what? It depends for me depends on the lead.
01:24:11
Like so, for instance, the league that you and Ira we have a super flicks so you can have a quarterback your flex position, and that's not normal.
01:24:18
That's not normal, though.
01:24:19
There's some leads.
01:24:20
There's, like most leagues, actually, no money leads that have been playing like that.
01:24:24
That's the reason why it's set up like this for ours.
01:24:27
But I could seek Amira.
01:24:30
Yeah.
01:24:32
Oh, you haven't Alvin handle.
01:24:33
Alvin had an off year last year like he didn't have a great year last year.
01:24:38
Was he down a little bit last year, just in numbers.
01:24:40
He was just a little bit.
01:24:41
But I think the team had to adjust.
01:24:43
They just lost.
01:24:44
Ah, what's my guy that went up the box? And Aaron Jones.
01:24:48
I'm not back in Aaron Jones.
01:24:50
Aaron Jones had a great season last year.
01:24:52
And, yes, he had a monster loaded touchdowns.
01:24:54
That's not gonna happen again.
01:24:56
Like it's just not gonna happen again.
01:24:58
That team.
01:24:59
Yeah, I'm just Yeah, I'm just gonna stop it there, so Yeah, And don't be yelling at us, Elliot.
01:25:05
Using cap is I saw this somewhere, and I debated it.
01:25:12
So, uh, the wide receiver down in Dallas.
01:25:16
Uh, help me.
01:25:18
I'm having a brain ****.
01:25:19
The wide receiver Omar Cooper Cooper.
01:25:22
Do you think he's a top five receiving a leak right now? Top five in the league.
01:25:28
It's debatable.
01:25:30
it's debate.
01:25:31
I'm like he is, but it's debatable.
01:25:32
You're gonna find people to do.
01:25:34
Surprisingly, a ton of people think he is.
01:25:37
I think I think I think I think stuff on ****s Get out.
01:25:39
Gain him this year.
01:25:41
Absolutely.
01:25:42
I now give him top set like that in that top 10 like but closer to five.
01:25:46
But I just wouldn't put him in that.
01:25:47
I'm not gonna lie.
01:25:48
That's not a bad that son of a bad third pick overall.
01:25:52
Was that Kelsey? Travis Kelsey.
01:25:54
I've seen guys do that.
01:25:55
I've seen guys win that way because when you're talking tight ends like it's Travis Kelsey and everybody else still as much as like, you know, some of these, uh, who's the dude from the 40 Niners with, uh, my brains were both having brain for it's time to eat, that's what.
01:26:14
Yeah, but yeah, it Z that that's not a bad idea.
01:26:17
So Mark Ingram Mark Ingram is not.
01:26:18
I don't I don't think that I don't think that about that's what someone When I said the reason why Camaro had the issue like his numbers dropped because they just walked Ingram so teams were adjusting.
01:26:29
Teoh running game, and they knew your Camaro was getting the ball.
01:26:32
George Kittel.
01:26:33
It was right on that red turn.
01:26:34
The tip of my tongue.
01:26:35
Thanks, everybody. Everybody, you guys are awesome.
01:26:37
Um, Cooper's two is 25 Yeah, you got their top five you get running for Didn't, um interesting.
01:26:47
Interesting stuff.
01:26:49
Listen, guys, if you if there's enough people that wants to do a Buffalo Fanatics Fantasy League, we have one that separate that we're doing with just our guys, But I would be more than happy to put together.
01:27:00
That's a dining that's a dynasty league.
01:27:02
So that's a little different, but But I would be more than happy to put together a league.
01:27:05
I just need to any engagement, and I need to make sure that people pay in advance.
01:27:10
I'm the type of commissioner.
01:27:11
Money has to be paid before the draft.
01:27:13
If that were not drafted, money talks.
01:27:17
What happens if you end up getting like 70 people? That's like seven leagues.
01:27:20
You run all seven leagues? Yeah, do it really Look at this guy that I know.
01:27:25
It's kind of like what cover one did last year.
01:27:27
I don't know if anybody in the chat was part of the Cover One leagues, but they had like seven or eight different leagues under the umbrella of Cover one.
01:27:33
I just I won't play in every week, but I can help them run it.
01:27:37
Christian Key Coming in hot.
01:27:39
Michael Thomas, Julio Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Beckham.
01:27:41
I'm not sure about Beckham.
01:27:42
See, that's the problem.
01:27:43
That's where it gets hazy, right about Beckham because he placed in the Browns.
01:27:48
But that doesn't mean he's not a top five stever.
01:27:50
That just means his quarterback.
01:27:51
Okay, I were thinking differently.
01:27:53
If we're talking about top five potential receiver if if.
01:27:55
If Odo Beckham Jr played for you know, a better quarterback, then yes, he's top five.
01:28:00
But in his current situation, I don't think they have top five wide receiver numbers.
01:28:04
Well, there's I don't Are we still talking fantasy? Because when I actually I would be in the top five player, I wasn't talking fantasy value player.
01:28:12
Well, no, we're having this conversation.
01:28:14
But then I say that.
01:28:16
Then I say, No, I don't I don't think Cooper's a top five player in the like wider Steve in the NFL.
01:28:20
I don't think so.
01:28:21
No, I think there's better water shooters in the NFL.
01:28:22
I think Keenan Allen better than Amari Cooper.
01:28:27
We have all of O B J.
01:28:30
What? What do we do? That I miss it? That was the top five that you just put up.
01:28:34
Yeah, he put the top five up.
01:28:36
So he's putting up hot.
01:28:37
He's right.
01:28:38
Nuke is better than O B. J and current situation.
01:28:41
Although, But see, I don't put Tyreke your Mike Evans Overbeck a nuclear Iran nuke might be running a lot of wide receiver screens this year.
01:28:50
I think that's gonna change.
01:28:51
Honestly, No look at other than because we've had to stop to.
01:28:55
So obviously, he has the most reliable wide receiver out there from last season in the years before.
01:29:02
But this year, kind of Murray having, um, these type of receivers now I'm selling is not gonna be that dink and dunk that we saw last season is gonna be a completely different I'm not saying because I live in Arizona now.
01:29:12
He's just gonna be a better quarterback, Pierre.
01:29:14
The answer is you.
01:29:15
You Pierre? Yeah, is you? The answer is you.
01:29:19
Everybody wants it.
01:29:23
She just ended there is that like the end of the show? We have 30 seconds left fantasy.
01:29:30
I don't get it.
01:29:31
I started comin earlier.
01:29:32
Cody, you said, You feel like is ruining football.
01:29:34
I don't I don't feel like his running football.
01:29:36
I think it actually helps the engagement for for common fans because you're following players that you wouldn't normally watch or pay attention to.
01:29:44
I just think that it it allows people who don't really watch everything to pay attention to everything else.
01:29:48
I love it.
01:29:49
I love it when you get when they when they interview the players and, ah like it some of those not just some of the off show, so not like a normal interview.
01:29:57
But when they, like, the players, talk about like other players that like like, let them down in fantasy, I think that's really, really funny, so why don't we wrap this thing up? Because we've lost about 2020 viewers in the last probably three minutes, so I think everybody check every checking out alone.
01:30:13
90 minutes is a long time to hang out.
01:30:15
I want to just thank everybody for tuning into the Humpty Hotline were one day every day we're one day closer to the NFL season happening.
01:30:22
And right now everything is on schedule.
01:30:24
Just for those of you that don't know, there's gonna be a ramp up period with training camp so they can't do anything until the 12th of August.
01:30:30
And then they can start doing football activities from the 12th to the 17th and they can't actually put pads on and hit each other until the 17th.
01:30:36
So there's really gonna be no true information that probably comes from the NFL's first training camps Will be very weird this year.
01:30:43
No pre season if you haven't heard that.
01:30:45
But the season is expected to start on time.
01:30:48
My name is Joe Miller.
01:30:49
I'm the host of the overreaction podcast and ah, super Thankful for you to be here.
01:30:52
That is my guy over there.
01:30:54
I did it right the first time.
01:30:55
Yeah, I think I did that.
01:30:57
But Well, it is J.
01:31:01
Spencer King.
01:31:02
I am the host of Code of Conduct podcast.
01:31:04
We had an episode come out today, so if you ah still wanna listen System build stuff before you go to bed tonight that during Buffalo, go ahead and, uh, take a listen to it.
01:31:12
And tomorrow, who seems chose tomorrow? Uh, Thursday.
01:31:17
Pierre, I forget, But you had Dell read on your show today.
01:31:21
Did have read on my show a very good show. Super good.
01:31:24
If you're interested in how the bills Mafia started, jump on and listen to Ah ah, the code of conduct.
01:31:29
Because that was a really great interview, Del.
01:31:32
Just a great interview just in general.
01:31:36
So Yeah, but I appreciate you guys joining us, Uh, until next time next week.
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Yes.
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What day it is? Yes.
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What day it is, Mike Spencer.
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Can't say Spencer Todo Joe Zizi expenses the expenses.
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Not easy.
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Spence is hard to say that fast. It's crazy.
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What's up? Your You know what day it is? It's Wednesday.
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So that means it is Hump Day hotline Come into your life.
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I got my main man, Joe Miller, with me up Wrong way.
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Got my made from Wheeler with did I'll Never get It right.
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I'll never ever, ever.
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And as you know, I am your co host, Jay Spence The King.
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What's up, brother? Uh, man, I'm having a good day.
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How are you doing? I'm doing great.
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I can't complain.
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I can't complain it all a lot of good stuff going on.
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Obviously, the players reported, which is sweet, So yeah.
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Yes, this is good.
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Well, you know what players reported, but we've also had some if he knew.
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So it's being kind of bittersweet for some things, but I think towards once once we get to the seas and I think everybody would be healthy.
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I know.
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Uh, we got some cold Beasley news that weaken touched on yesterday.
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We got some news about starlet to lay.
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We could talk about what happened.
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What happened with Cole Beasley? Tell me that.
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Do that news first.
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Well, Co, apparently they play someone uninjured list because of his upper back injury.
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I feel I feel your pain, Cole.
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I feel it.
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Yeah, mine is lower back for the most part, you Teoh.
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I'm just a lot probably double his age. That's the only difference.
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Yeah, think Oh, Beazley's younger to me. I'm 34.
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Yeah, OK, but anyway, we're gonna actually talk about to start the show off those So we'll come back to the Kobe Everything.
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We're obviously gonna catch all your guy's comments.
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So really hit us up in the comments were trying to be really interactive today, trying to talk as much as possible.
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Remember, super chatters get priority.
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So hump that life, let's do it can be a part of this man.
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No, that's good stuff.
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And we can talk about we could talk about just the covert stuff is it pertains to training camp.
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I've got a decent enough handle or grasp on it.
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If anybody's got any questions, we can answer some of those questions to Ah, but like Spence just said I mean, this is this is your show eso as much as we have content.
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And if you want to sit there and listen to us podcast, we can bring content to you.
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But that's not what we want.
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We want you guys to interact with us.
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We want you to chat us up.
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We want you to smash that like or humped alike.
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As J.
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Spence just said again as he said, super chatters get priority.
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So if you're on YouTube and you super chat, you're gonna light this place up, which effectively is what we want.
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So Ah, yes.
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So what is going on with Starla Tulay? Give me some of that noise.
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We'll be honest before you get I want I want to come off the wanted.
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Like off the rip.
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I just want to go with the hot topic we were talking about.
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Come on, you're gonna start there.
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I must start there.
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I'm gonna start right there.
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I'm gonna start right there.
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All right? All right.
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Way might not get to anything else judging, judging by the preloaded comments, the preloaded comments 1/2 hour before the show started.
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I don't know that we're gonna get there. But you know what? Voila.
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There's your There's your ticker tape.
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You know what? Okay, we know it.
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So I'm gonna ask it.
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So there's Josh Allen winning one.
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Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly.
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Are you As you're gonna have people? Well, I just read it the way you wrote it, but I'm gonna ask it now.
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I'm gonna axe people now, The way the question was originally posed in the chat, it was my question.
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Do you think that Jim Kelly gets too much credit? We're being this amazing innovative, uh, you know, like this great quarterback when they never won a Super Bowl.
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When you really look at it, he and Josh, I don't have the same won two Super Bowls.
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I'm not trying to make Josh Josh Allen into ah, he's not, You know, he's not the savior, you know.
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He's not that, but what I'm saying is they literally have the same amount of Super Bowl winds, not appearances.
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I'm not talking about No, listen, I'm going to tell you I'm not I'm not.
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There's a lot of people who actually you started comic.
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Well, then Josh Allen must be as good as Dan Marino.
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I didn't say that you did.
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You did not say, Well, really.
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The question is even about Josh.
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If I will be honest with you, think the question isn't even about? Josh kind of threw trash in there just just to kind of get people talking, because I knew comparing Josh and Jim would get people going.
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But in reality, the question is, Do we give Josh Allen? I'm certain? No.
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Do we give Jim Kelly too much credit for, um, making it, but never win? You know, in Buffalo, we kind of revere this guy.
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We treat this guy like he's, um you know, just we just treat him at the top of attack.
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He's the top of the top as far as a listers in Buffalo.
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And anywhere he goes, I bet you he doesn't have to buy a drink anywhere for sure, for sure, I guess the place that I would start unless you want to start with some of the people that are chatting in, um, you know, for me, I guess the question is, is it isn't Jim Kelly.
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Who is it? Right? So if it's not Jim Kelly leading the Buffalo Bills to four consecutive Super Bowls.
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What quarterback is doing it? And then you have to You have to follow that up with the question of what was the talent in the nineties.
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And this is gonna be a very, very difficult topic to probably discuss because of the limited amount of people that are gonna be basically having a conversation about.
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I mean, I remember all of it.
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Ah, but a lot of people don't like a lot of people, you know? There's, ah, you know what is there? There's just There's just an aspect of like, you know, there's this.
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There's this aura around that nineties Bills team that somehow they were like the greatest team of the of the nineties.
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And they do.
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They had the most winds of any team in the nineties, and then they just couldn't like win at the end.
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But I think you have to back up with that.
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I was gonna act.
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So are they said if they couldn't win it, do they really qualified to be the greatest team of the nineties? Well, they won more games than any of the team did, but they didn't win the game didn't win the game, so that's absolute.
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But that's not the question.
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The questions about Jim Kelly does Jim Kelly get to interpret it? That was a question, you asked.
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So you have to ask the questions.
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Like I said before, if it's not Jim Kelly, who's doing it? So there's to me.
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There's a limited amount of quarterbacks that they're doing what Jim Kelly did in the nineties with this Buffalo Bills team, specifically based on the skill set that he had.
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And these were always my contributions to that chat.
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And we've already got our first super chat code, if any of the man.
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But like when you think about what Jim Kelly did, who he was as a player and what he accomplished, even though it didn't come through the end, there's nobody else in the NFL before Peyton Manning.
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That was doing what Jim Kelly was doing, and that offense was predicated on Jim Kelly skill set.
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So does he get too much credit? I don't know that I would say that, I mean, and there was a lot of good teams, the NFL back then go ahead, go giving, giving, giving what Cody says, Cody, you got some news for it's time we see many years on the physically unable to perform list D.
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Williams and Vince and Taylor is on the cove in 19 lists and be easily with the back injury like we just spoke about.
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And, uh, a the best cornerback we've ever had.
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A Nathan Peterman.
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Where's where's Rico? Knock on.
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What if you're with me not regaling What if you would be so that just wouldn't say just on that covert piece.
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Just everybody knows that just cause they're on the cove in 19 list.
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That doesn't mean that they have cove it or that they tested positive for Coke over, and it basically means that they were.
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They either did test positive for covert or they've been in close proximity.
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So family member has cove it or a friend, or they've been in around somebody with covitz, other just taking precautions.
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So if I'm not mistaken, I believe they have tested negative twice, and then you have to stay away from the tinkle corn thing for a certain amount of time, correct to negative tests before they can come back to play.
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Correct, correct, correct.
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So thank you, Cody, for that super chat.
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You the man, you Domenico, just that Cody strolling.
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But But you said someone right before we read Cody's comment, you said something that I had you and I actually disagree about all the time since we have these Jim Kelly, you could be wrong.
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You said that.
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That's fine.
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If I'm wrong, I You know, I think my, uh, my last, but you don't You haven't accepted it yet.
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You haven't You haven't you haven't equity because I don't think I'm wrong with what I'm about to say.
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Okay, we're giving.
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And this is again.
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It's another way that Jim Kelly is getting too much credit.
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I think that Jim Kelly is not.
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You can't say Jim Kelly is the reason why Peyton Manning is like Peyton Manning and Jim Kelly are two different quarterbacks.
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Peyton Manning gets probably top three greatest quarterbacks of all time, whereas Jim Kelly isn't near this up by you're your age is speaking.
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That's like Page.
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That's like saying that Thurman Thomas had nothing to do with Marshall Falk in the way that they used Thurman Thomas versus the way that Barry was the player that Barry was a player.
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That and it was that Thurman Thomas coming before them and basically paving the way or providing a blueprint for Marshall Falk for LaDainian Tomlinson Thompson.
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For all these players, we have no problem is Bills fans like Bill fans all day long.
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Like, Oh, Thurman Thomas was the first all purpose back.
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He's got three or four consecutive years of all purpose yards from scrimmage like nobody ever beat that record.
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Thurman Thomas was the blueprint for all these running backs today, And when it comes to Jim Kelly, it's like, Oh, Jim Kelly had nothing to do with Peyton Manning.
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Really? Because Jim Kelly was the only quarterback who ever called his own plays from scrimmage.
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They tried it with Marino.
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They tried it with Terry Bradshaw.
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They tried it with several over all the quarterbacks before him.
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And basically the piece that everybody misses and I give this to you all the time is Ted Marchibroda, the offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills.
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When Jim Kelly became Jim Kelly and the Kegan became the cake, the K gun was Ted Marchibroda.
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Ted Marchibroda gets a head coaching job.
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Guess where he gets it in Indianapolis.
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Who does he draft? Peyton Manning? And then basically, he takes Jim Kelly's offense and expands it and gives it to Peyton. Now I'm never.
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There's nobody in the world that's gonna argue that Peyton Manning was not as good as Jim Kelly.
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Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time.
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I think now there's people that think Tom Brady might be right there.
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I don't know.
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Tom Brady's a great quarterback.
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I think Peyton is hands down the greatest quarterback to ever play football.
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However, Jim Kelly doesn't exist.
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Peyton Manning doesn't do Peyton Manning things, and I think we can both agree that players play based on and who they become is largely based on the coaches that coached them.
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There are a lot of great players that became great players because of who coached them, and there's a lot of great there's a lot of players that fizzled out, washed out, never saw their potential because of who coached them.
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And at the end of the day you have to give credit where credit is due.
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We have somebody build backers.
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Can I just stop for a second? Hello from Bill's backers? Mexico.
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I got to get a bill like remark.
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Mark, Buddy Mexico, my family.
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We were all about it. We have been to Cancun.
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I think three times you've been the Riviera, Maya.
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Once we've been Kopelson Lucas twice.
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Like, if there's a place I'm going, I'm going to Mexico s Oh, absolutely.
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Hello? Bill's backers.
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Mexico like bro.
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I'm all about it.
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I'm all about it.
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So Ah, for me, there's a direct connection.
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It may not be an umbilical, but it's almost umbilical between Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning, and that umbilical is his head coach.
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I mean, you you can't deny it, you can robotic.
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And because I feel like I just feel like again, you're doing the Buffalo thing like fans of the Bills.
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No, it seriously, we And it is not just Buffalo.
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Every fan base doesn't there committed and they're connected to their team.
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So they give their teams too much correct and were given Jim Kelly way too much credit.
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Peyton Manning and Jim Kelly are not the same quarterback.
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Yes, Peyton Manning was calling cause at the line like Jim Kelly esque, But no, it's not like like Jim Kelly.
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And who else you can make it.
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Actually, the question like Jim Kelly and who else? Really? If you want me to be honest about it like nobody, because no running, no pay a man who did it in a way that Jim Kelly never could.
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So what out there? The only thing the only weight were the only two that have done it.
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One of them came before the other, and his head coach was the other guys offensive coordinator that designed the offense and then went out in hand.
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Picked a quarterback to run his offense.
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Yes or no? No, not agree with you get, You know, like I'm a Bills fan, too. I'm a Jim Kelly fan.
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You see what I have in my collection? I took it out of my friend.
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You know that Bringing Producto.
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You know I love Jim Kelly.
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No, listen, I loved him.
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Kelly and I could be a fan and all.
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Still be honest, that the problem that I always end up having with these discussions, the discussions with Bills fans is that for some reason we can't look outside of the box.
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Is fire is saying okay? Yeah, I love my team, but they're not good this way or they need to improve this way.
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And if I do it, that means I'm not a Bills fan.
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That's not the case.
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I just So if you what you're saying is relatively valid, I'm not going to say that's not necessarily valid.
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What I would tell you, though, is this isn't Homer glasses were talking about.
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Staff were talking about real information.
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Uh, not to mention the fact that Jim Kelly when he retired and you can look up these statistics.
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Jim Kelly, when he retired, had better stats than John Elway, and he played in the sea in the league three less years.
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Jim Kelly did better than General.
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John Elway blows his numbers away now because Geno had three years before Jim and I think it.
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Four years after Gym or three years after Jim, Jim Kelly's numbers were better than Troy Pigments when Jim and I think Jim Kelly's number still are better than treatment.
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So I don't think Troy Aikman's a great quarterback, but to if you look at that time capsule as Faras when Jim Kelly played and when Jim Kelly retired and you stop the information right there when Jim Kelly retired.
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The numbers speak for themselves.
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It's not Homer ism.
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Jim Kelly's in the Hall of Fame for a reason.
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There's a reason, and it's not because he went to four Super Bowls.
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Jim Kelly as a quarterback did things that other quarterbacks have never done before, ever.
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And you can't argue that that's not a Buffalo Bills homer thing.
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The problem? The reason that it's a Buffalo Bills homer thing is because Buffalo Bills fans and know it.
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It wouldn't be Ah, Buffalo Bills homer thing if fans of the Dolphins knew it.
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If fans of the Broncos do it, if fans of the Cowboys knew it, but they don't know it, they don't know that Jim Kelly was the only quarterback ever to call his own place for scrimmage.
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He was his offensive coordinator after Marchibroda left.
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What happened? That offense still was successful was still trucking people because Jim Kelly was the linchpin.
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He was the guy.
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And, yes, all the players around him helped.
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That's probably the biggest difference between Jim Kelly and Peyton Manning, and this is why I believe Peyton Manning is the best quarterback in like ever to play Peyton Manning elevated the players around him completely.
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He had some good players.
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He had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James, and he had Marshall Faulk and there were guys that he had.
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But he did not have the talent the Jim Kelly had around him.
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So Peyton elevated players around him, whereas Jim had talent around him.
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But as as Jim went, that offense went period.
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And that's just the facts as much as joking for blood, as much as as much as people in Buffalo love Frank Reich.
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And, you know, I've said for forever and set it on my podcast.
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The over action show a 1,000,000 times that were about the underdog Buffalo Buffalo fans like Love the underdog.
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They love the guy on the bench more than they love the starter all day long, and Jim Kelly had his moments in Buffalo, where he didn't have a great reputation.
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Whether it was just rumors in the news and just not being nice to people in public where you know the reality is this.
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Frank Reich didn't run that offense like Jim Kelly did.
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Yes, he has the greatest comeback in NFL history.
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But is that because he's Frank Reicher Is that because the talent around him I don't know the answer. That question.
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I just know that when I saw Frank, right? Play football is the Buffalo Bills quarterback.
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They didn't look like the same football team.
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Yes.
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You know, you could make this.
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You're right.
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They didn't look at the same football team.
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He won that game.
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But you're right.
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They didn't Look what you would have been a starter elsewhere if he was really good.
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But there you don't wish you okay.
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You didn't respond.
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You didn't respond to what I consider relevant.
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If we're in a court of law, it's valid.
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You did not respond to my point about Thurman Thomas Bills.
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Fans love to give Thurman Thomas credit all day long for being one of the very first all purpose NFL running backs ever.
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You gave you Ting respond to it.
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But Jim Kelly being the only quarterback at that time to ever call plays from scrimmage, use your argument against because I'm a bit about Frank.
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Right? Is the same thing with tavon around.
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I'm telling you, Jim was not enough.
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Thurman was amazing.
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Thermal was amazing.
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Andrey was amazing.
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We had other receivers that were amazing.
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We had defense. That was amazing.
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Defense.
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Yeah, the defense was not amazing.
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So we had defensive players that were amazing.
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So Bruce Smith was amazing, but that bend, bend, but not break defence wall Corey was the reason that Buffalo Bills football team lost Super Bowls.
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That the bend, but not break defence was not great.
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I won't argue that.
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No, I agree with players that were great.
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But what I'm saying is the argument that I can make is the same thing that you're saying about Frank, right? Was it Jim? You're saying like he led that he did all this stuff.
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Was it the players around him? Because what Frank Wright was in that office didn't look the same.
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You said yourself.
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Peyton elevated people who weren't as good.
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Jim Kelly had a team.
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If you ask me that the leader on that team was Thurman time, that's on the offense, that leader or anything, it wasn't you could not listen.
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I don't want to get into people's personal stories and stuff like that, but you know just as well as I do.
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And I'm sure people in the comments will be honest about it and say There are so many stories and true stories that we know are true about Jim, that if he was playing today, we would not consider him a leader and he will be canceled according to.
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But you and I, you and I covered this.
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There's, you know, quarterbacks lead in different facets in different areas.
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Jim is not a great leader off the field.
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Well, that isn't true.
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He was a great leader of the field, and when it came to, you know, post bickering bills uniting the team is a family.
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You know, the requirement of all the players after games, win or lose, going to his house, being at the party, bonding, all that family experience.
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He was always great at the podium, but on the football field, on the football field, Jim Kelly was the general like he was the general.
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Like as that ts Jim went, that team went, period.
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I mean, even Thurman Thomas.
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When Thurman Thomas was having off days and bad days, they give the ball of Candy Davis.
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And what would happen? Can he blow up? Get good numbers? So, Jim, there was nobody else.
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If Jim wasn't playing well, that team wasn't playing well, and that's just the way that it was holding the clipboard real quick before before I read this, because I see a ton of comments that really thinks that we are comparing Josh and, uh, and Jim Wave posed the question.
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We know we pose the question that way just to kind of get engagement.
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But honestly, the question we can't compare Josh and Jim, we know it.
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So everybody was yelling about it.
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We understand we can't compare the two.
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It's literally just a conversation about, um, if we feel like or if you feel like Jim Kelly gets too much credit.
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You know, for the teams of the nineties, that's that's really always about what Bob says.
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Holding a clipboard made a he same coach name.
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I can't say Marchibroda that you didn't.
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Marchibroda may write one of time out, Your Honor.
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I rest my case.
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Boxer broken.
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I arrest my case.
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Your honor. Right there.
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Oh, no.
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Hay is one of the He is one of the best coaches in the league today.
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I will say that and I agree with that.
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But like I said, that has nothing to do with the argument that we have a chip.
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Kelly were giving him way too much.
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And you Do you love him? I get it like you really love those guys from the nineties, but you experience it in a different way.
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That I did so I don't have.
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I don't have an abnormal love for Jim over anybody else.
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Like for me, it's Ah, it's a holistic like appreciation.
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I mean that that team defined in large ways Ah, use one of the debate That's funny.
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That team, in large ways, defined my childhood, so I mean, I'm a I'm a Bruce fan.
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I'm I'm according I'm a biscuit fan.
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I'm a Darryl Talley fan.
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I'm a Henry Jones fan like I loved Henry Jones when I was a kid.
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I mean it Z, The reality is, is everybody that was on that football team and Jim was just another part of the team.
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But it's not Homer ism toe to believe that Jim Kelly was the general and understand that, like, there's the one I've told you about this my favorite Tyrod Taylor moment favorite Tyrod Taylor moment.
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Um and I don't remember the tight end.
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I want to say it was Jason Crewes.
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It might not have been, Ah, but maybe it was Lee Smith, but the team is that the line on basically the tight end is a little bit lost.
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He's not exactly sure what's going on, so you kind of wanted to into 1/2 motion.
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And the camera is like right on Tyrod Taylor right on his face.
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And you see Tyrod Taylor look at him and he's like any screams get on the line like get on a line like that was Jim Kelly.
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Jim Kelly was the general of that football team when they're on the football field.
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As Jim went, that team went, period, and that's just the way that it was.
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So does he get too much credit? You could probably make a case with the greatness.
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I mean that you're talking about a team that put five people in the Hall of Fame.
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You could make a case that Jim had amazing talent around him.
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That that's probably something that doesn't get talked about enough.
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The fact that the Bills put more players in the Hall of Fame from that team than the Cowboys did from their nineties team like.
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It's amazing how many NFL Hominy players of bills put in all of fame from that from that team.
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But when they were on the field when it came down to it, Jim was the guy calling the shots.
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Like as Jim went, the offense went way.
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Have a couple more here I need to pay attention to.
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It's a tie, both making Scott.
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It is not a tie.
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I'm winning. He doesn't have the same Marchibroda.
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I don't know whose.
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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
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The drunk man is that's running the Buffalo fanatics handle right now, But I think I've got control and I'll block you.
00:21:36
I'll block the Buffalo fanatics handled with a projected salary cap of only 175 next next offseason.
00:21:43
Uh, what position does that put the jeopardy of losing great players such as Milan await Edmunds.
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To be honest, I don't think that it actually puts us in too much jeopardy for certain specific players because they're going to sign Trey way.
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They're going to sign Edmunds.
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He's not, but Molano It depends.
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But the thing is with there's some players that I feel like we're not gonna have next season Just period.
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We're gonna cut some guys or it's gonna be salary cap casualties.
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We're going to keep our core players if we you know, there may be one or two that we feel like it's a star that we might have to let go just because But the core group of guys are all going to be there.
00:22:19
So it's if you and I hate I hate toe uh, pimp, my own show.
00:22:25
But Greg Thompson was on with me from from the cover One podcast Ah, a couple weeks ago and we talked literally about the free agents coming up.
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If you get a chance to go back through the archives of ah Buffel fanatics and check that show out, we talked at length just about the guys that are coming up priorities and stuff like that, and I really got into and dug into it. Looks like we lost J. Spence.
00:22:46
I really got into and dug into Justus Faras like who's coming up and when and who do we let go? So when you're talking about this question, you know, the hard part about that 1 75 is the number was supposed to be, I think, to 25 or to 10 to 15.
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So it's coming off like $35 million which is a big number.
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So first things first, Edmonds is not necessarily going to get affected at.
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Ah, Tremaine Edmonds is gonna They're gonna pick up more than likely.
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My guess is his fifth year option, Josh Allen.
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They're probably gonna push him to 1/5 year option.
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There's an aspect of true Davis White.
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They're not.
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I can't imagine a scenario.
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A world where trade Avis White is allowed to leave this football team.
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I mean, trade loves buffalo.
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That question was answered just a couple weeks ago.
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Ah, he put it out on Twitter.
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You know, nothing would be better than winning one for the 716 I mean, I don't know what more people need to see about Trey White now, when you're talking about guys like Milano Milano and Greg and I talked about and it's funny because everything Greg and I talked about almost changed or shifted just a little bit because of that 35 million.
00:23:51
Now the question is with it coming off 35 million that they're gonna push the five billion that they're expected to lose this year.
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They're gonna push that into into the next several years.
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So as much as it's coming out of 1 75 million for next year, what's it going to be the following year? And then what's gonna be the following? And and then what we can't determine at this point is you know, salaries go up, up, up, up, up Right, Well, if salaries, air, going up, up, up, up, up and all of a sudden the salary cap comes down, are these salary's gonna can continue to go up, up, up? Or does it turn into a situation where well, you know what? We've only got 1 75 and Matt Milano, we think you're great.
00:24:27
However, we're gonna have to offer you a similar contract with somebody got two years ago or three years ago when the cap was 1 75 And is Matt Molano willing to take that? I can't answer that question, but it's going to affect the future, and it's going to affect who we can retain, but it's not gonna affect just us.
00:24:45
It's gonna affect everybody ever only to be in the same boat.
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So if we can't afford a lot of these guys, the reality is a lot of other teams that could be able afford a lot of these guys, which means they might come back and they might take a lower contract, maybe a shorter term, two year deal and then, like, try to cash out two years after that.
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But it's definitely gonna affect us.
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But if you get a chance, go back and listen.
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That podcast, Greg tops.
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It was he was on point.
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So yeah, Gregory job shot up to Greg and those guys over it. Cover one.
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They do a really good job, but breaking down film.
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And you know, just those If that's family over there, that's family, would.
00:25:17
But let's get back to the questions.
00:25:19
We got a good one in here from actually going right back to what you're saying.
00:25:23
They can use the fifth year option on Evans to I was supposed to look this up.
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Um, can you use it on multiple players? Yes, you Can.
00:25:31
I ask Greg Thompson that same question.
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You can use it, but I'm in.
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Yep, they used on Josh, Ellen and Evans the same year.
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Well, I don't think I don't think they're gonna use it.
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Obviously, I think there is going to give Josh that, um, extension there.
00:25:44
They're not gonna use the 50 year old trash.
00:25:46
You really think that's gonna happen? I have no idea.
00:25:48
Dude, I don't know. I mean, it's we've we've had a lot of conversation.
00:25:50
We've played a lot of one if games over the last couple weeks as faras.
00:25:54
You know, if this team makes the playoffs or misses the playoffs, and Josh was a great year versus Josh having a bad year and the team makes the playoffs Or, you know, Josh does what Bruce Nolan talks about, which doesn't progress, but he kind of plateaus.
00:26:07
So does Josh come out? You know, And instead of throwing 3700 and 3800 yards, does he throw 3200 yards or 3300 yards? And disease? Is that a throwing 20 or 36 touchdowns? Is Heathrow 22 touchdowns? So it's improvement, but it's not great improvement, you know, and I'm on record as saying that if that happens that like next year, there's a competition like there's a competition in Buffalo for for the starting quarterback.
00:26:32
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he can't overcome it, But I'm not ready to be the one to necessarily say what is or is not gonna happen. Right.
00:26:40
But they can use the fifth year option.
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I don't know.
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I don't know that they don't know.
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I can't imagine they're gonna lock him up, both of them up prior to. But they could.
00:26:48
And that's a great point, Cody.
00:26:49
There's a lot of people to talk about. Dion Dawkins.
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Um, the hard part about that council NDN, Dawkins Walkman Molano needs to be signed right now.
00:26:58
The hard part.
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And this was a conversation that you and I have talked about Spence and Greg Thompson and I talked about as well.
00:27:04
It's much harder to find a left tackle late in the first round.
00:27:08
So if the Bills are what we think they are, and they're gonna be making the playoffs relatively every year, especially now that we're considering them to be a F C East favorites, you're going to drafting in the bottom six.
00:27:20
Right? Bottom five, Bottom six.
00:27:22
It's much easier to find an outside linebacker off the ball linebacker than it is to find a left tackle.
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Um, and that's the decision that has to be made Like left tackles in the 1st 5 picks are easy to find.
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Left tackles in the last five picks are not easy to find.
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So not at all.
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But, you know, And, you know, I'm on the record for saying as well are undrafted rookie Adams.
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I believe this.
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I really do think we have a diamond in the rough there.
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If if he if he shows us something this year, man, honestly, I could I could really see him.
00:27:53
Oh, my camera turned off so I can really see him.
00:27:56
Yeah, I can really see him.
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Um, you know, taking a road, proven himself on the raster, taken that role and been actually allowing Dion to be expendable.
00:28:08
Yeah, I like Chris. Yankees.
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Comment.
00:28:10
The market for Milano won't be strong with shrinking camp cap.
00:28:12
I feel they will.
00:28:13
The will work out a fair deal for both sides, and it's gonna come down to what? You know.
00:28:17
It's always the piece that's missing from that.
00:28:20
Chris, um is it's always about, you know, the system situation, you know as much as we were talking about Jim Kelly.
00:28:28
You know, I firmly believe that Jim Kelly was not a system quarterback, that that basically they found a system, and Jim Kelly was able to just thrive in it.
00:28:36
But I think Jim would have thrived and he didn't run.
00:28:38
That system is a Houston gambler.
00:28:40
So when he was in Houston like he owned the USFL is an early quarterback running.
00:28:44
You run on the run and shoot.
00:28:46
Um, the question is about systems as it pertains to this defense and his Mat Milano system guy.
00:28:52
Or, you know, is he really a great player? If he believes he's a great player, if he believes that he's like the man, it's gonna be harder for him to be like, You know what? I'm gonna stick around.
00:29:02
But you know, stranger things have happened, But we've seen a lot of these players all throughout the NFL, not just for us.
00:29:09
We've seen them all come in.
00:29:10
We've signed those guys. We've signed the guys.
00:29:12
It was a Darnell Dawkins or is that it wasn't who's the big guard that we signed from Washington years ago.
00:29:18
Like we paid like $35 million he just basically tanked when he got here.
00:29:22
But regardless, I just don't agree with this, though.
00:29:25
I know I know you said you.
00:29:26
It's an interesting point, but honestly, I think if really the coaches in the NFL in the Scouts and NFL, they even know we feel like the media doesn't watch the Bills.
00:29:35
All these coaches watch film on all of these teams and they see these players.
00:29:39
I don't think Matt Bolano makes it back to Buffalo.
00:29:42
If we actually let him out on free agency, period, I would agree.
00:29:45
I would agree. Totally idea.
00:29:47
Yeah, I'm totally in agreement as far as that goes.
00:29:50
So yeah, you were somebody Derrick Dockery.
00:29:52
Derrick Dockery.
00:29:53
That was the name you knew most. Like, literally.
00:29:55
I remember when we signed, it was like, yes, and then it was like, Oh, never mind.
00:29:59
So yeah, Elliott says, Dawkins is It was also Captain harder to replaces.
00:30:03
Zhou said, We love Milano, but I think we won't have to pay Milano as much.
00:30:06
He's great, but I just don't see like I don't know, man.
00:30:12
I don't want to let my mind go.
00:30:14
I agree with you that it's harder to find a left tackle or a tackle at all like it is, but definitely a left tackle.
00:30:21
Let Molano man, he's special.
00:30:23
He's so special.
00:30:24
And I know we drafted him late, so a lot of fans didn't have the same type of expectations because of where he was drafted.
00:30:30
But even if you watch this film and college, this kid in college, in the NFL, he's doing the same thing he was doing in college and they just he just slipped through the cracks.
00:30:37
I don't know why and how.
00:30:38
But listen, this guy is not.
00:30:41
He's name is not like a he's gonna make money through.
00:30:45
The only thing you gotta tell me and show me the tape on is the fact that this defense is different when Malala was not in there.
00:30:51
And it just is this defense.
00:30:52
They rotate those defensive tackles like crazy, and we can say good, bad, indifferent things about Starla Tulay opting out.
00:31:01
Excuse me, You know, and how you feel about guys like star, uh, versus at Oliver who were all in love with or, you know, horrible Harry Harrison Phillips who were all in love with you.
00:31:11
know we could talk about these defensive tackles all day long, but the reality is as they Cory, look at court.
00:31:16
Liggett came in last year off the street, and, like, performed in this defense.
00:31:23
Matt Molano.
00:31:24
When he's not playing, this defense looks different.
00:31:26
It just looks different.
00:31:27
It just is what it is.
00:31:28
So, yeah, I saw it comin earlier.
00:31:32
Um, obviously we know going down, Gary.
00:31:37
You know, it was in response to a question that I have posted a second ago.
00:31:40
That actually said the Dallas is in trouble as far as the cap space.
00:31:42
What we were talking about? Yeah, Absolutely.
00:31:45
Absolutely.
00:31:46
They air in rough shape, you know, went down.
00:31:49
The Dallas is going down.
00:31:50
Gary guy with Gary went down.
00:31:53
Gary went down, Uh, love for a minute there.
00:31:56
But he says that 51 reasons why you don't let your son run your Twitter account.
00:32:00
Good God, that's just the sidebar comment.
00:32:04
But so you've seen people say that, um, not to let Micah Hyde walk.
00:32:08
Didn't I? Might be crazy.
00:32:10
Didn't we recently just extend him employer? We just extended player.
00:32:16
I can look it up.
00:32:17
I don't know what is in this country, so I'll look it up.
00:32:18
You could do it.
00:32:19
I mean, I just feel like we extended both of them because I remember people being, you know, making over these comments.
00:32:25
And I'm like, No, we only we only extended.
00:32:27
I think Boyer came in on, like, a three year deal and and hide came in on a four or five year deal and two years in or something that we were extended player, like, three more years.
00:32:35
And I think Hyde is living on a five year eso hides.
00:32:37
Got a couple more years left.
00:32:39
I could be wrong. I had it right. Like I said, I had it. My nose.
00:32:41
I had it in the notes with, ah on the show that it would Greg Thompson.
00:32:45
The problem is, is when his contract comes up, I think maybe 32 or 33 which is old for safety Now, as much as they move a lot of defensive backs cornerbacks to the safety position when they get a little bit older.
00:32:55
Cornerback is a different skill set.
00:32:57
Notre Devious White is far more.
00:33:01
He's more of an athlete than Michael hiatus, right? So I mean There's just different skill sets as far as that goes, but yeah, so yeah, but But you're right, though to is a five year deal back in 17 So yeah.
00:33:12
Yes, just a couple years left.
00:33:13
Now, you know what else I'm worried about? Jim Kelly, You're not, But that's OK.
00:33:21
That's OK.
00:33:22
Why you don't love me? Why, You know, love me cameras back.
00:33:25
Well, I guess I can't switch off the app when looking up stuff.
00:33:30
Yeah.
00:33:31
Oh, you don't? I would say I got second computer, so let me know.
00:33:33
I can look stuff up, so it's not that big of a deal. Here's what's up, though.
00:33:36
Chat us up.
00:33:37
So also, super chest get get brighter for those of you that may not know what that is, if you're watching us on Facebook or you're watching us on Twitter, uh, you basically can't super shadows.
00:33:45
You have to jump over to YouTube.
00:33:47
Ah, and basically, if you keep saying basically it's not basically if you super chat us, which you just throw in a couple of bucks or whatever or icy Rico Rico, get $100.
00:33:57
If you want to throw $100 I'll send your birthday card.
00:33:59
Ah, but if you super Chad us, your chat or your question gets priority, but yeah, chat us up now smash that. Like, I think.
00:34:07
Last time we left the show last week, we had I think it was 244 likes because we had the snafu of how many likes do we really have right now? Because we couldn't actually see them live, which was funny, but yes, mass that, like, way got, like, 90 people watching us right now, which is cool.
00:34:22
So be it. Be a part of the show.
00:34:25
Don't Ah, don't sit back and just take it in, uh, interact with the bills. Mafia.
00:34:30
That's that's in the chats.
00:34:32
Talkto us.
00:34:33
Ask us questions.
00:34:34
We're here for you, but we probably should get to, uh, hide.
00:34:37
Employer are getting older.
00:34:38
We have surround Neil coming up the ranks.
00:34:40
Suranyi, listen, impressed me.
00:34:41
That's just me you can speak to.
00:34:42
It can swap a good free agent safety.
00:34:45
Trust me being a draft coach, gonna replace them thoughts on that.
00:34:52
I agree that obviously we could draft, but here's the thing again.
00:34:56
We're homers now, so I get that Brandon being and Sean McDermott have done well so far.
00:35:01
And I'm not questioning them.
00:35:02
I love them, and I trust them.
00:35:04
But here's the thing.
00:35:05
Your dictations like this to say it that easily.
00:35:07
Oh, yeah. We just draft another one like it's nothing.
00:35:09
Listen, is not that easy, man.
00:35:11
Like, And I get it that these guys are good, but we have to stop being so like, Well, can we just start with the fact that we didn't draft hide employer? We didn't.
00:35:23
It's not that easy.
00:35:24
I'm telling you, it was that easy.
00:35:26
If it was that easy to draft those guys, everything would have.
00:35:29
You know? You know who he did draft? You know who didn't want to come to little You know who doesn't want to leave.
00:35:40
Yes, you did. I did, too.
00:35:42
I did, too.
00:35:43
For 13 years came back.
00:35:44
So he went here.
00:35:45
He did go there.
00:35:46
He went to Houston and anyone who, especially New Jersey General for one year.
00:35:49
But the league folded.
00:35:51
So I ended up coming back to coming to Buffalo, which was sweet.
00:35:54
Um, so what should we move on to what time is it? We've been live What time is it? It's 906 Do you want to move on to the other topic? Which is Ah, what we teased, which is still running? Is the ticker down to the bottom of screen? Does Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl? I'd love to know what the fans think.
00:36:10
Like I said, this garnered a lot of comments, even when we before we started.
00:36:14
So before the short showing live with a bunch of comments, US Robotics at the top and, uh, whistles back, I want to know what you guys think does.
00:36:21
Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly.
00:36:25
So Jim Kelly going to four Super Bowls and there's a lot at play, so your mind can wander all over the place.
00:36:30
So, you know, as it pertains to how he wins or what You know what the score is, Or is he the reason that they win, right? I mean, but that's the question of the day.
00:36:39
Does Josh Allen winning one Super Bowl changed the legacy of Jim Kelly and yeah, I was coming here.
00:36:45
I don't think that Ah, we need I don't think Josh needs to win four.
00:36:48
I just thinking when one.
00:36:49
As much as we love those guys from the nineties, we love them because, yes, they made it to the big game four times.
00:36:55
We love them because for the most part, during that time, they were extremely dominant, right? If if the Bills win one Super Bowl with Josh Allen, I don't think I don't think you have seen what love is.
00:37:08
You know they're the city full.
00:37:10
It was going to make this guy Josh Island.
00:37:12
I think it depends.
00:37:13
I think, really, if you have cash in one's, a Super Bowl of the Buffalo Bills and his stat line is 189 yards passing and 75 yards rushing, and he's got one touchdown and two interceptions.
00:37:25
I don't think it's Joshua Allen love at that point.
00:37:27
I don't know because I see Josh when he might have an off game.
00:37:31
But I guarantee you he's not gonna happen offseason to get us there.
00:37:34
So Josh Adam has been leader for the No.
00:37:37
In order to get to the Super Bowl.
00:37:38
There's no way Josh Allen have 100 yards.
00:37:41
No, that's what I'm saying.
00:37:42
Yes, that that sound That's not why I'm wincing, because I don't understand that comment makes a ton of sense.
00:37:48
I get it, but you don't.
00:37:49
You don't apply the same logic to Jim Kelly, who owned the NFL as a quarterback in the nineties, but he lost the last game of the season.
00:37:57
Therefore, he gets way too much credit for what he does like I disagree with you and this is what the topic is about.
00:38:02
I disagree about the type of credit that Jim Kelly gets because I feel like we just give him too much credit for things that other people did.
00:38:11
What I'm saying is at this point where Josh Allen is in his career, there's no way that if he makes it to the Super Bowl, he's gonna have a horrible season and then just have, you know, like if he has a bad game in a Super Bowl, but he leads us to the Super Bowl and we win it.
00:38:24
I'm telling you, the love will be there.
00:38:25
The love is there for Jim Kelly losing it four times.
00:38:28
So of course, is going to be there for Josh Api.
00:38:29
Was it once right? For sure, and this is a good one, so I know you're at the top, so I'll be at the bottom.
00:38:34
No question, he says.
00:38:35
No, it won't as much as we hate that they never one.
00:38:38
It's still hard to be that consistently good and make it a four Super four straight.
00:38:41
Your for your straight.
00:38:42
Still an accomplishment on its own.
00:38:44
And what gets lost in this is the fact that the two years before they went to the Super Bowl, they went to the A F C championship game loss to Cleveland.
00:38:50
Ah, and then they lost to the Bangles in the playoffs the next year in 89 then they won't divorce trait.
00:38:55
That team was dominant for a very, very long time for me.
00:38:58
I'm not necessarily sure that, uh, I don't I don't think that Josh winning one Super Bowl affects Jim Kelly's legacy.
00:39:08
I think Jim Kelly will still always be a hometown hero.
00:39:11
He will always be that guy that didn't want to come to Buffalo, finally came to Buffalo, turned this franchise into something it had never been before, took it to four straight Super Bowls, and on the day that he retired from the NFL, stood at the podium and cried his eyes out and said, Buffalo will always be my home.
00:39:27
I mean, there's just there's a redemption quality to that story that we as Bills fans, it just connects with us because we are Western New Yorkers. Buffalo.
00:39:37
It's funny because, like I was talking to somebody today, it's amazing to me that I was having coffee today with a friend, and it's amazing to me that people that are from Buffalo, Western New Yorkers love buffalo and hate New York State.
00:39:50
Think about that for a second.
00:39:52
People there from Buffalo love Buffalo with all of our hearts.
00:39:55
We will go to the mat and come to blows and like, we'll fight the entire neighborhood in Arizona if you speak bad words about Buffalo.
00:40:04
But if you want talk about New York State, we all hit New York State, which is interesting.
00:40:07
So there's a redemption quality.
00:40:09
There's something about being, and if that underdog spirit comes from, there's something about being from Buffalo and just knowing at the end of the day that this guy did like he's choosing us now and he never left.
00:40:20
So I think There's something about so Jim that legacy will always live out.
00:40:23
Now this is the caveat if Josh wins two Super Bowls or goes to two and or or goes to three and wins, too.
00:40:31
You're talking about a different conversation, and what's funny about this is, and I don't think about it often.
00:40:36
But I have thought about it.
00:40:37
Is the Brett Farr versus Aaron Rodgers conversation Like Bret Farve was an unbelievable quarterback.
00:40:43
Brett Farve was like insanely good.
00:40:45
And if I love bread far, I love Aaron Rodgers, and I don't know that I would have an easy time.
00:40:50
Is a Bills fan picking far over Rogers? I'm not exactly sure which one I would take over the other, and I think that's literally where it would put us.
00:40:57
It would, as much as they wouldn't be back to back like Farman Rogers were, they're still gonna be Ah, I'm not sure.
00:41:03
And I think what's gonna happen is you're gonna find a lot of the younger fans who have not seen a winning Buffalo Bills team except for the last couple of years in their entire lives, latching on to Al in the way that old fans like me have latched onto Jim Kelly.
00:41:16
But that's just what I think is that Millennials would more so stay.
00:41:20
Just younger people don't care about the past speaking, and that's what I'm saying.
00:41:24
So, like, I agree. Angela Hand.
00:41:27
Young people don't care about the past, but the Dolphins fans do.
00:41:31
Emma, right, Kevin or my right started in 1972.
00:41:37
We were undefeated.
00:41:38
Yeah, and you were going on 15 1972.
00:41:46
But, um, it's like a Browns fan, something their chest about the championships they won in 1935.
00:41:51
It's like this isn't working, bro. Just stop.
00:41:53
That's like That's like those fans.
00:41:54
If we wanted to go back about the games that we want in the NFL, like it's not the same thing like those championships are not Super Bowls.
00:42:02
Zach Allen's I mean, I agree, Zach.
00:42:04
I mean, that's one Super Bowl win is bigger than four losses. It's MAWR.
00:42:08
That's why that's why tagged on all the stuff that I said, there's more about the Jim Kelly story than just the four Super Bowls are the four Super Bowls.
00:42:15
But there's so much more to that story about Jim than just the four Super Bowls, right? Yeah, but again, I keep going back to get your point is what I'm saying.
00:42:25
Like, I fully understand it, but I'm just saying, I really think because we haven't won one, we can't really say how is gonna be.
00:42:32
I guarantee you when If the bills win the championship with Josh high on this quarterback, I'm not saying, uh, Jim Kelly B for gotten I once was.
00:42:41
No, but what I'm saying because we're talking about the four Super you're like, No, it's not gonna be enough.
00:42:45
He has to go to work and maybe go to three and win two or something.
00:42:48
If Josh Island wins one Super Bowl and never goes again, Josh Allen is going to have a statue is going to be cold.
00:42:55
I know about that.
00:42:56
If the first quarterback to Super Bowl in Buffalo won't have a statue, Jack Kemp doesn't doesn't have a statute.
00:43:03
Here's here.
00:43:04
So I'm gonna be honest with you.
00:43:05
I'm gonna be honest, but he doesn't know I'm not crazy about that.
00:43:07
Jack Kemp does not have statues.
00:43:12
Here's the reality.
00:43:13
And my wife my wife, makes fun of fun of me for this all the time.
00:43:16
I've got two little girls.
00:43:17
Um And so for those of you that have done personality tests and leadership things Simon I and T J So I'm an anti ah high I and T j I'm in any a gram. Eight.
00:43:28
So I'm a challenger.
00:43:29
Um, I don't cry.
00:43:30
I'm extremely detached from my emotions.
00:43:32
So much so that when I had my two little girls I didn't cry when they were born Have they softened me? Yes.
00:43:38
My two girls have soft and I'm going somewhere This will just be patient.
00:43:41
My two girls have softened be tremendously But I did not cry when they were born with my two daughters were born I was busy counting fingers and toes and making sure that they were breathing Vs Like you know, some people talk about like, Oh, the baby came out like I just wept.
00:43:53
That wasn't me.
00:43:54
Here's the reality.
00:43:55
I love Jim Kelly.
00:43:56
I'm wearing the dude's jersey.
00:43:57
I'm a nineties Bills kid like Like I said, they defined my childhood When Josh Ellen when Josh Ellen ones a Super Bowl as a buffalo Bill, I'm gonna weep.
00:44:09
I'm gonna and my wife knows it like I'm gonna I'm gonna stand in the living room unless I'm there at the game and I'm And when the parade happens, I'm gonna cry again because there's so much of my identity that's wrapped up in this stupid football t that like And I'm not the only one you're gonna cry Beer is gonna cry Rico's gonna cry We're all gonna get the game crying Buffalo is gonna burn like the city is gonna burn That dominated the Buffalo Bills with Super Bowl.
00:44:36
Go ahead with the word No, we're all gonna be there crying.
00:44:38
No, but, uh, he he says, Tony says, Yep.
00:44:42
You'll be telling the grandkids to gather around and tell the story of Josh or the legend of Josh the night before the Super Bowl.
00:44:49
It was the night before the Super Bowl.
00:44:50
In the nineties, bills were all drunk.
00:44:54
The nineties bills were all drunk.
00:44:55
There are stories that we hear about the nineties bills and certain leaders that you seem to think, you know, was that leader.
00:45:04
But they were drunk.
00:45:05
Oh, so you're blaming your blaming everybody? You're blaming everybody being drunk on Jim Kelly.
00:45:09
So everybody being drunk before the football game was saying Heard stories about Jim Kelly being hungover at halftime.
00:45:17
I heard stories that it was that can't say it's true.
00:45:21
I've heard stories about Santa Claus too, but I don't know what to tell you.
00:45:24
So don't read.
00:45:25
No fat man in a red suit comes in my house on Christmas Eve that if kids, your kids, if you're listening I'm just kidding.
00:45:31
There is a Santa Claus.
00:45:32
No, there's nothing gave up as he gave up on that camera.
00:45:38
Yeah, I'm just gonna switch Teoh, you the good news.
00:45:41
This is your attractive.
00:45:42
So as an attractive guy, like when? When? When your camera freezes.
00:45:46
At least you're good looking, right? So although what? I don't think that I am, But what is that? Mus**** yellow Bills hat like what in the world this is the actual is a one.
00:45:55
A one? Um, I have my man Tyrod room and find my daughter.
00:46:03
My daughter is trying to blow me up on my phone like she's calling me over and over and over again.
00:46:08
I got some pretty decent stuff.
00:46:09
I got some, uh, this is my favorite.
00:46:11
When we play against the Dolphins fans, though my absolute favorite, he doesn't look like Sway.
00:46:20
Who was your most away from sway in the morning? I don't want to look like sway.
00:46:24
I don't who sways.
00:46:26
Do you want him on the radio? That said, Rodney Harrison was like, Bro, Rodney Harrison is watching us on YouTube.
00:46:32
You right now you're always going to do is trash the Bills.
00:46:38
You didn't tell us how bad were and that they're not gonna win anything.
00:46:41
Well, I would.
00:46:42
I would take the guest.
00:46:43
Okay, I would take the guest.
00:46:46
I think it's Shawn Merriman on the show.
00:46:48
Wouldn't be amazing.
00:46:49
Sean Maryland, like Shawn Merriman, is like the quintessential all Bills fans hated him until he put on a Bills uniform like Remember that? Like they had that one amazing preseason game.
00:46:58
And then that was it.
00:46:59
And he's still a Bills fan, which is cool.
00:47:01
So what's going on? Give us some questions.
00:47:03
Feel I feel like we're power power and down a little bit now that yes, they send us some good questions, guys.
00:47:08
I know way already talked about, uh, Josh Island Jim Kelly debate, but let's get some different topics in here.
00:47:15
Elliot agrees with you, bro.
00:47:17
Elliott agrees with you.
00:47:20
I feel like everybody honestly will agree with me when it happens.
00:47:24
Like right now you're saying this because you were so humbling.
00:47:27
Port, You're so happy.
00:47:29
I am.
00:47:30
I honestly have.
00:47:31
And I feel like everybody agrees with me.
00:47:34
No, I said, You will once this happens, because here's the thing.
00:47:38
If if we win one Super Bowl, I guarantee you I'm not saying we're gonna forget the past about the nineties, but the celebration of one championship.
00:47:49
Come on, man.
00:47:51
I I I admitted to you on the air for But it's not about the that I'm going to cry.
00:47:58
What do you want from me? I want you to admit that of Super Bowl victory is better than four Super Bowl losses.
00:48:05
A Super Bowl victory is better than four Super Bowl losses.
00:48:08
Yes, but your that's not the question.
00:48:10
That's not the conversation.
00:48:12
A Super Bowl victory does not erase the accomplishments and achievements of the greatest quarterback to ever.
00:48:20
Donna Buffalo Bills Jersey, this quarterback right here, Jim Josh Allen has a ways to go to eclipse the accomplishments of Jim Kelly is a pretend And then we have this conversation in the chat to one Super Bowls greater than everything.
00:48:32
But Jim Kelly is a Hall of Famer, and that is the greatest personal accomplishment you can have.
00:48:36
A Super Bowl is not a personal accomplishment.
00:48:38
Winning, going, the Hall of Fame, going to Pro Bowls and go to the Hall of Fame.
00:48:42
Josh on also has never gone to a Pro Bowl, so there's personal accomplishments, team account accomplishments, Super Bowls of accomplishment. But that's a different.
00:48:50
That's a different debate.
00:48:51
Pro bows are really pro.
00:48:53
Bows are a popularity contest.
00:48:55
In the nineties, the Bills were probably the most popular team in a F C other than like Miami because of Marino.
00:49:01
Like there's a couple, you know, I'm not saying it like they were D, but they were one of the most popular teams, especially after going to the Super Bowl four years in a row.
00:49:08
So Jim Kelly was popular.
00:49:10
He's gonna go to the Probo general right now.
00:49:12
The team that we have in Buffalo, how many pro boaters do we really have every year? We were lucky when shady went, and it is only because he was shady before he got here, and everybody still knew him to be shady.
00:49:21
But we have certain players every year that will come in here.
00:49:24
They might not be, like, literally top five in the league in certain statistics.
00:49:27
But we have top players on our teams, maybe not 50 but literally we'll have one or two sprinkled and and they don't get the recognition that they deserve.
00:49:35
And so what I'm saying is you can't compare like pro bows and Player of the week and all that stuff when it comes down to popularity.
00:49:43
Cody Finney. I'd love that.
00:49:45
I mean, I'm in, bro. I'm in.
00:49:48
No, no, no.
00:49:51
He had his chance in the nineties.
00:49:53
He had four chances to get his ring. He's retired.
00:49:57
I love you know, He's really funny.
00:50:01
No, I love it.
00:50:02
I love it.
00:50:03
We go once a rule signs You killed a one day contract? Yep.
00:50:05
Actually put it on the coaching staff.
00:50:06
He did.
00:50:07
He did put the ball on the coaching staff and they worry.
00:50:10
And Pierre, we are from two different areas, but I'm from the air. That's right.
00:50:14
Just so you know.
00:50:15
So see that? That's what happens with these baby boomers? Are you a baby boomer? Do you want me to come through this phone computer right now and punch you in the face? Hey, I knew Joe is not a baby bell.
00:50:27
Rogers.
00:50:28
What? That's going to get a reaction at him.
00:50:31
Gen X baby gen x X.
00:50:37
But Cory said, Ah, he's a t o got the key to the city before playing a single snap.
00:50:41
If Joshua is the Super Bowl, they might rename the city after him.
00:50:44
This is what I'm saying.
00:50:45
Like I'm telling you, Buffalo, we just have, like, a jaded memory.
00:50:48
We forget everything when we get comfortable in something new.
00:50:51
Like when CEO got here as a free agent before he even signed Snap, You had the mayor out there all excited about him.
00:50:58
Come and you had the new like it was.
00:50:59
It was so different.
00:51:01
It was it wasn't t o.
00:51:03
Coming to Buffalo was a nice day, but it wasn't one.
00:51:05
Drew Bledsoe came to Buffalo.
00:51:06
It was like Drew Bledsoe coming.
00:51:09
A buffalo was big.
00:51:10
It was a huge.
00:51:11
It was a great again.
00:51:13
It was.
00:51:14
It was.
00:51:15
It was the second coming of Jim Kelly like So we thought. You imagine.
00:51:18
Now imagine the energy that's gonna happen that Sunday night in a February when Josh Allen is raising the Lombardi Trophy standing next to Brandon being and Sean McDermott, you don't think Buffalo is gonna literally like Buffalo.
00:51:32
Listen, man, I just I can't with you tonight, remember? I don't know that time.
00:51:37
I really just like you're pounding me into the ground.
00:51:39
On what? The conversation.
00:51:41
The argument is not your pounding me in the ground on how excited Bills fans are gonna be of Joshua and hoist the Lombardi.
00:51:46
It's true we are, but it does not negate the legacy of Jim Kelly.
00:51:50
I never said is gonna negate the legacy.
00:51:52
That's the question at the bottom.
00:51:53
The question, that's what taker.
00:51:55
That's not the question that I originally posed in the group or on early.
00:51:58
What's your question? What's the question? Original question was, do we give him too much credit for not winning or actually the way I work? The question was, do we give Jim Kelly too much credit for having won the same amount of Super Bowls as Josh? That was the original question.
00:52:13
He hasn't won any So how are we giving him so much credit for being such a great on? You'll need to help a brother out like hell No, not you.
00:52:20
I mean, the people.
00:52:21
The fans like me to help me out.
00:52:23
Jim Kelly has the same amount of Super Bowls is Josh Allen, Antron Edwards and J. B.
00:52:30
Lawson and Kelly Hopman Woods.
00:52:33
Sean SE Josh Allen wins the Super Bowl.
00:52:36
He'll surpassed without question without that's question.
00:52:41
Question.
00:52:42
What do you think? The ultimate goal.
00:52:45
This is a time out now, not a technical foul.
00:52:48
Time out.
00:52:50
Josh Allen this year or next year, Josh on in the next two years, wins.
00:52:54
The Super Bowl is the Buffalo Bills quarterback.
00:52:57
You can get there any way that you want so they don't make the playoffs this year or they do.
00:53:01
Uh, and then they went next year or they win.
00:53:03
This year, they don't make it next year.
00:53:05
Then Josh Allen leaves in free agency and goes to Miami and signs $185 million contract.
00:53:12
Still better than, like gets more accolades.
00:53:13
And Jim Kelly, you're full of No, they really know.
00:53:19
Do people people still 25 years later, Hold a grudge and Thurman Thomas for signing with the Dolphins for one year.
00:53:27
And Thurman told you on your show.
00:53:28
The reason that he did it was because he didn't even get a phone call.
00:53:31
He saw it on ESPN ticket all on the bottom like that.
00:53:34
Thurman Thomas was cut from the Bills today.
00:53:36
That's why he went.
00:53:37
That's why he went the dollars and any Bills fans giving him grief about that.
00:53:41
I see Bill saying I don't want to see pictures and video.
00:53:44
I'm saying I don't see it.
00:53:45
How do you see people saying that? They don't want to see? Even when I did the show, I put a video of, like, thermal from Miami and people were like, Oh, man, you just had to play the video.
00:53:55
I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that.
00:53:57
So I don't hear people saying Thurman, you know, uh, he should have never I don't hear that.
00:54:02
I hear them saying, God, I don't want to see those pictures.
00:54:04
It's weight videos.
00:54:05
This is This is right After with the whole concept or idea that Joe Borough is somehow a better quarterback in Josh Allen right now, can we let the kid play it down by? Josh needs to finish his career before we decide.
00:54:15
We need to find out of Josh Josh on these to play a career of football before we decide Josh Allen could win a Super Bowl as a Buffalo bill and then turn into Mark, Rip in and suck and be cut.
00:54:25
Two years later, you're not telling me that Josh Allen is more beloved than Jim Kelly.
00:54:29
If that happens, it's just not true.
00:54:34
People have a Super Bowl.
00:54:37
He will be forever loved in Buffalo, and not if he starts sucking Brad Johnson.
00:54:41
I mean, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, like I could go on and on with quarterbacks that won Super Bowls it like weren't great.
00:54:48
Quarterbacks like Trent Dilfer is not beloved in Baltimore.
00:54:51
Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl 56 years ago, and people in Baltimore hate the dude for Kate.
00:54:58
Hartman has won Super Bowls, but I'm talking about the first Super Bowl.
00:55:01
You're bringing up stuff that's not relevant.
00:55:03
That would be trained for verbose.
00:55:04
That would be trying over Okay, Trend over is not love in Baltimore.
00:55:11
It's Also Baltimore is not that you're not comparing the same stuff, but some were also isn't the city who had to go to four straight Super Bowls and never one and then, two decades later, finally win with the quarterback? I'm saying with what Buffalo has been through.
00:55:25
If Josh Allen wins the Super Bowl, there will be nobody.
00:55:28
Who, who what? Who? How about if Josh has Eli Manning type career? He's beloved in New York.
00:55:36
All right, getting me Are you kidding me? They were ready for him to sit down a little.
00:55:42
No, no, they were ready for him to sit down, but they loved him.
00:55:47
Thank you, Tony.
00:55:48
Where Who is this Tony guy? Are you on Twitter? Tony, I need to follow you.
00:55:53
Me? You need to be friends.
00:55:55
This isn't true.
00:55:58
It's true, I said.
00:56:00
I said it was the last week I said it just a couple weeks ago that I've never seen a situation where an opposing team quarterback came into our stadium and got a standing ovation before the game.
00:56:08
That happened last year, and you think if Josh was a Super Bowl and then go somewhere else in free agency that he won't be beloved.
00:56:14
Still, your trip him and people are gonna love Josh Allen to the day that he dies.
00:56:21
And after his legend over there, saying they can't get to come up somewhat like, Why would not publish What, uh, there goes tell you that.
00:56:35
What clique? That you must take it off.
00:56:36
Oh yeah, we have to click at the same time.
00:56:41
Eso Yet Buffalo definitely has the on to the next mentality.
00:56:45
Josh wins one and then start sucking will be campaigning to get rid of him.
00:56:51
I don't believe that, Dude, if here's here's a fun situation.
00:56:55
Josh on one's a Super Bowl, right? So this year, Josh on wins the Super Bowl.
00:56:59
This year, the Bills come out next year and stinking up the place stink up the place, which has happened.
00:57:05
There's been championship teams that have fallen off the year after they won a Super Bowl.
00:57:09
It's happened.
00:57:10
It's a very, very common story.
00:57:13
So Josh Ellen regresses the team doesn't play well.
00:57:16
In the meantime, Jake from has a fantastic pre season next year, right, and people see it.
00:57:23
Josh gets hurt that year that he kind of regresses.
00:57:25
He comes out, wins two games for the Bills.
00:57:28
There's a quarterback controversy in Buffalo, and people are running that dude out of town, running him out of town and you know it's true.
00:57:37
So where is the legacy in the folklore? At that point, it's back to Jim Kelly.
00:57:42
I feel like we're saying it's because we haven't won when you win, winning the gate, so much stuff man is gonna be, I think, the biggest you keep using keep You've used several times the Homer Ism conversation and Kevin in the chat talks about the homer goggles.
00:57:57
You what the homer goggles are.
00:57:59
The Homer goggles are the assumption that we is Bills fans have that.
00:58:03
Somehow, Josh on is gonna have the same career that Jim Kelly have had.
00:58:07
Which means that, like Josh on is the next coming.
00:58:10
So he's gonna win a bunch of games and go toe championships and have a chance to play in the Super Bowl.
00:58:15
There's a chance to Josh.
00:58:16
Ellen May never won a playoff game, right? I mean, there's a chance you have is the chance that he could win a Super Bowl in seven years as the Bills quarterback after a career of mediocrity, Like Joe Ferguson.
00:58:27
I mean, Jefferson didn't want Super Bowl, but I'm saying, like, he could be mediocre.
00:58:31
Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:33
I think I think there's just this Steve Joe spends.
00:58:38
We Axler Whose team again? Looking after you.
00:58:41
What? Actually, guys know what in the comments? Let us know.
00:58:43
Looking.
00:58:44
Look, look, look, Dad, you have to pick one of us.
00:58:46
You can't pick both of us.
00:58:48
One of us have to be your favorite.
00:58:49
You said nobody will have a favorite.
00:58:53
Mom and Dad have a favorite.
00:58:54
We know it's right there.
00:58:55
You, Cody Finney, is like, Do I love you, bro? I love you like this guy.
00:59:00
Like we're going to have to show this, though, because this comment has been posted 47 times.
00:59:05
Thank God.
00:59:06
I'm not the only one who thinks Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time. He is.
00:59:10
Well, he is.
00:59:11
Okay, we agree.
00:59:12
That's why I haven't brought it up, but yeah, no, it's it's true already.
00:59:16
And the reality is for me.
00:59:18
Um, if I'm putting if I'm putting Tom Brady and I'm putting Peyton Manning in a contest between who's the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
00:59:25
The argument is going to come back to not how many Super Bowls Tom Brady one.
00:59:29
Because we all know that the head coach that Tom Brady had is the greatest head coach who has ever coached football period in the story.
00:59:36
What it comes back to me to or when it comes back to me for they say that, right? Whatever.
00:59:41
What I have to come back to is the season that Peyton Manning didn't play.
00:59:46
His team went one and 15 the season that Tom Brady didn't play.
00:59:50
His team went 12 and four, and that literally is where it comes back to for me, like we'll have to.
00:59:55
That's I'm team Peyton, although I'm actually excited to see see time down in Tampa Bay this year just because of what you just said.
01:00:03
You know, it's like so when these things were you watching, it is like, Oh, that guy is good But then when you think about it, like you said, the coach is really good to the system is really good and it's like when he wasn't when he was injured.
01:00:13
Grant, I'm not saying at all that the other quarterbacks looked like I'm still won games and they still performed.
01:00:19
So it's one of things.
01:00:20
I'm actually excited to see him see how he performs down there in Tampa Bay with the whole new coach, a whole new offensive coordinator in new.
01:00:27
But other than Grant now, um, but new receivers.
01:00:30
I got bad news for you.
01:00:31
Tom Brady is going to a head coach that loves to throw the football all over the field, and he's got real weapons.
01:00:37
E.
01:00:38
I don't think Tom Brady's arm is as strong as it was like looking at a last year.
01:00:43
I don't think it needs to be.
01:00:44
And I think he was checking the ball in the dirt because he was so afraid to get hit on the doesn't have that problem do.
01:00:47
There's all kinds of people blowing this thing up. Team Joe.
01:00:52
That's what I already knew.
01:00:53
We only had the one he finds the won t know.
01:00:56
But you know what? I wanted to shout out, Um, I want to start up my guy Mark.
01:01:00
That's the only reason why I picked that one, because eso mathematics that the former Buffalo Bills player Saturday's if you guys are interested every Saturday.
01:01:09
Lately he's been doing bingo.
01:01:11
I will post it on Twitter so you can if you want to get involved. You can.
01:01:14
It's so much fun.
01:01:15
He has special guest this weekend.
01:01:17
I don't know if I can tell who it is, but I'm gonna tell you it's a special, actually.
01:01:21
Just tell you if I get in trouble.
01:01:22
Markham.
01:01:23
Sorry, Uh, they're gonna have Eric modes Eric Moses Saturday and Steve Christie next Saturday.
01:01:28
So it's gonna be a couple of good guests.
01:01:29
Is $20 per bingle bore, But you get the face time with these guys, and you have conversations to tell good stories and you have some fun. I want this.
01:01:37
Two weeks ago went on the show, so it's a it's a really good time.
01:01:40
So I make sure I put that up here.
01:01:42
You most makes some good points.
01:01:44
You doesn't think you're dead to appear dead to me.
01:01:49
I'm gonna have to have to reach out to cover one or rumblings to see if they're looking for talent jumping ship.
01:01:57
I'm jumping ship, baby.
01:02:01
You got one here to Joe versus any other guy, that school school job, But you know what? Before, Before we had to show, though I actually told jokes because of the love that Buffalo Bills fans really have for their team and because the way we love our players, I knew I wasn't gonna win this debate in the fans eyes.
01:02:17
But when Josh Allen was the Super Bowl, I would really like actually, you know what? I'm going to save this.
01:02:22
I'm gonna download this whole thing after it's done and I'm gonna save it.
01:02:26
So when Joshua, is this the first video in my post that I might be right? Great, Because the only debate that I kind of clause I lost you ever was about Kirk Cousins.
01:02:34
And then somebody showed up with receipts.
01:02:36
Have you posted to Twitter? Thing is, what's going to take to get Kirk Cousins of the Buffalo Bills? So that's saying that you know, like I think I won that debate to No, you didn't.
01:02:47
You didn't just just liking fans were on your side.
01:02:50
And any time that Viking fans are on your side, you're not.
01:02:52
When I'm just telling, that's a l love Richard Rush.
01:02:57
Rich Russians, the man.
01:02:58
This is good.
01:02:59
Zach Allen I agree with you.
01:03:00
Zack expenses The man.
01:03:01
He's one of my best East.
01:03:02
He's one of my BFFs.
01:03:04
Appreciate that.
01:03:05
And I appreciate you, Joe.
01:03:06
I have fun doing this stuff with Joe.
01:03:08
Joe is awesome.
01:03:10
Try.
01:03:12
It wasn't a low blow, Pierre, because the thing is like I said I was fully prepared for.
01:03:17
I literally found the tweet before somebody else could do it and I screen shotted.
01:03:21
And I said, I said that the job.
01:03:23
And I said, I really don't have a problem with cousins.
01:03:25
Biking winner.
01:03:28
This which one did you just pull it up? Thanks for putting the big game since Oh, yeah, Uh, one above it.
01:03:34
Kelly's legends legacy will never take a hit. I agree.
01:03:37
I mean, I just you know what? That's not That wasn't the debate, because I do see that those comments keep coming up.
01:03:42
I've never said, um, that Kelly's legacy was gonna take a hit.
01:03:47
What I'm saying is, if Josh Allen wins one like the love that we have for Jim Kelly won't even be comparable to the way they're going to level.
01:03:57
That's what it's a time thing to.
01:03:59
I mean the amount of time that it's been since, you know Jim is played football.
01:04:02
So this is great.
01:04:03
I see this like because if you follow my zipper's years, who's Ah, uh uh, it's gone out.
01:04:09
Um, Mike Servers Years.
01:04:10
Who is Ah, Vikings fan and a Bills fan like people are in his mentions all the time blowing up the bills.
01:04:16
It's funny because they are salty, like Viking, super duper salty about the Buffalo Bills.
01:04:20
It's that we are living rent free in their heads, and it's awesome.
01:04:24
Is anyone over 35 on Spence? What's that mean? So the debate that we're having anybody over the age of 35 are you on my side? So is there anybody over the age of 35 who thinks that if Josh having wins a Super Bowl, that the love for him would be something that we haven't seen, you know at all in Buffalo? Somebody give me Rico's bell.
01:04:43
Ring was sick.
01:04:47
That's the other night when you got that $100 get $100 super chatty, saying, remember, it was amazing.
01:04:52
Rico's hilarious mitt.
01:04:53
And then here's another.
01:04:54
We got a couple over 35 whose, whose in agreement with me about the love that Josh and I will get all three home, all three.
01:05:04
But Cody's 27.
01:05:05
And he agrees with you.
01:05:06
So I don't I don't necessarily think it's the age thing, but I also do think that it depends on how you fell in love with the team.
01:05:14
To that, to me, that makes a difference.
01:05:16
If you fell in love during a time when those guys in the nineties or even before that and then you kind of fell into those guys, um, or if you fell in love after, because for me, I was a kid when the guys were going to Super Bowl.
01:05:27
I liked football, but I was a kid.
01:05:28
So really, I liked it cause my grandfather and my father like when I really got to the point where I started to love football.
01:05:35
My favorite player, like my favorite player on the Bills team when I started to love the team, was Doug Flutie.
01:05:40
Yeah, so that's what seemed like I fell in love with the Bills when it was a completely different roster.
01:05:45
So, no, I don't look at it through the same lens, but I do appreciate Jim Kelly Thurman.
01:05:48
Time is Brooke, although I appreciate them for the legacy, the four Super Bowls.
01:05:53
I'm not a fan that's embarrassed.
01:05:54
When I talk to people, they're like, Oh, you guys, never one for you before I'm not embarrassed.
01:05:58
I'm like That's an accomplishment.
01:06:01
So Tony B says I'm 46 but and I love Kelly, but I will be king.
01:06:05
The problem that I have with the statements.
01:06:06
What has said, We just don't know what else is going to do the rest of his career.
01:06:09
If Alan washes out of Buffalo, even after winning a Super Bowl, I just don't see it, so I just don't see it.
01:06:15
It's like the Jordan LeBron debate.
01:06:16
Once LeBron is done, the fans will be young enough to not really have the same passion towards Jordan.
01:06:22
LeBron is not the goat, it's Michael Owen.
01:06:25
I'm 47 years old and I watched a lot of Michael Jordan.
01:06:27
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player to ever play play basketball hands huge LeBron seem like I'm a huge LeBron and Jordan is the gold man.
01:06:39
It just is what it is.
01:06:41
If you've watched the do***entary, even if you have it just going YouTube and watch.
01:06:45
Just just watched Jordan.
01:06:47
There is. It is not a debate.
01:06:49
Kelly is not Jordan.
01:06:50
Let's not compare just no link to the Jordan saying, Listen, that compared like that because I think Alan was surpassed.
01:06:57
It's apples and oranges.
01:07:00
I mean, even when we say Peyton Manning is not, you know, is the greatest quarterback of all time.
01:07:04
I mean, Peyton is not Jordan.
01:07:05
Jordan just had there was something about the way that dude played basketball and he would just take over games.
01:07:10
It's probably more relevant.
01:07:12
A Gretzky comparison would probably be a little more relevant.
01:07:15
You one guy on a smaller team that's just basically taking over everything, which is what Jordan did.
01:07:20
Jordan was just other world.
01:07:22
It's I steer away from those LeBron versus Jordan debates because you can't win because you're fighting with a bunch of people that never watched Jordan play.
01:07:30
And it was like, How do you know? Anyway, just moving on is Rico, even in the haven't seen Rico.
01:07:37
Have you seen Rico? I don't know.
01:07:39
Caitlin. Caitlin? Whose Team? Rico. Tonight.
01:07:42
Why are we talking about? Because I I started singing Ring my Bell.
01:07:46
So no, she just She just shown us in love.
01:07:49
So, Rico.
01:07:50
Oh, yeah.
01:07:51
So, Rico, to come over here sometime, I got some heat for him, and he's been running for you.
01:07:54
Tell Rico to come on the hotline so I can show him in front of Caitlyn.
01:07:58
Who's the main? So So, Rico is, you know, Rico Rico is the easy.
01:08:04
Oh, jeez, E o g.
01:08:05
But he's Oh, here we go.
01:08:06
Not going to say nothing about you, about your about to get run out of town, actually, already out of town, I'm about to get run out of town, Rico being any being, being being.
01:08:16
So I think we're just hanging around with Rico's people right now.
01:08:19
Like when peers say Kobe Bryant is definitely He's close, but he's not to go.
01:08:27
He's closed.
01:08:28
He stopped five for me, and I'm a Lakers fan.
01:08:33
Absolutely true.
01:08:34
That's what that's if Spence is right about Josh Allen.
01:08:37
That's the reason right there.
01:08:38
That's the reason if Josh is right about about John.
01:08:41
Spence is right about Josh, and that's the reason, because the memory thing.
01:08:44
So, in my opinion, that's just my opinion.
01:08:47
You know, I mean, that's it.
01:08:48
That's a good This is the way to look at it, I guess.
01:08:51
My argument, though, isn't about the bite.
01:08:53
What I'm saying is, let's just take take away the recency like if you let's just say we're 10 20 years down the line and then we come back and look at it after Josh Winds.
01:09:02
What I'm saying is the one wind will be weighted.
01:09:06
It will just mean so much more than the four losses.
01:09:09
That's so we haven't had a super chatting a while.
01:09:12
What you want when you When do you want to wrap this thing up? It's 9 39 so way we have eclipsed the hour mark and ah, it some point.
01:09:20
I think we're just ah, hamsters on the hamster wheel, if you know what I'm saying.
01:09:24
Ah, what you got there Anything Alistair Pascali.
01:09:27
But it'll take more than one Super Bowl to do it.
01:09:28
I'm a big Tim.
01:09:30
I just don't understand how four losses would need more than one win.
01:09:34
I just don't get that.
01:09:36
And I think I'm a Kelly hater.
01:09:38
I'm not.
01:09:39
It was I loved. It was more than four losses.
01:09:41
It was more than that.
01:09:42
It was more than four losses.
01:09:43
I mean, it's the winningest team in the nineties.
01:09:46
He made the Hall of Fame like it's even if Josh wins the Super Bowl, it's on a guaranteed Hall of Fame ballot.
01:09:51
I mean, it's right.
01:09:53
I mean, there's a There's a lot to it.
01:09:55
So it was a lot to it.
01:09:56
O J. Simpson is the goat. Don't at me.
01:10:00
I wouldn't debate you, but I don't I don't want people yelling at me today, so yeah, yeah, I'll stay out.
01:10:07
Steer steer clear of that one as well.
01:10:09
So do we want to wrap this thing up? So just so everybody knows my name is Joe Miller, and you can find me on Twitter how we kill all this stuff.
01:10:16
So get rid of getting open up, and then we just gotta get through it up there.
01:10:20
That's what happens every time.
01:10:22
We can't get away. We just can't get away.
01:10:25
I love the show.
01:10:26
They have.
01:10:27
Thanks, Josh.
01:10:28
Joshua, I don't know if you like to be called Josh. Look alike is actually thank you.
01:10:30
Yeah, dude, for real.
01:10:31
And we love the interaction, so that's probably as much as I love doing a podcast on Dino Spence does as well.
01:10:37
And for those of you that have not listen to my podcast dispenses podcast, Um, you know, we enjoy like that part of the content, but the fact that there's an opportunity to interact with you guys is like it's it's other world like the real time conversation.
01:10:53
I wish that we could get you guys on the show.
01:10:54
Somehow it would be in tremendously awesome, but obviously this is somewhat limited.
01:10:59
So well, she got going there.
01:11:00
Is that Cardinal your card nail Based on talent? It will take a lot for just be declared better than Jim.
01:11:05
But hero status will come up.
01:11:06
Josh Ones of Super Bowl. It's true.
01:11:08
I'm not saying it's not true.
01:11:09
I just don't know the gym's turn legacy is tarnished.
01:11:12
Enlist.
01:11:13
Josh is going to doom or Teoh Eclipse, and that's the like, I said.
01:11:16
That's the Rogers five debate.
01:11:17
I don't know.
01:11:18
The Rogers has eclipsed Farve in Green Bay.
01:11:22
He may have one they want, like when he wants for Super Bowl.
01:11:24
There may have been a ton of love for him, but now that the years have droned on a little bit like I'm not sure that Rogers has eclipsed far in Green Bay.
01:11:32
See, that's that's interesting.
01:11:33
I would have I have some friends that actually lived in Wisconsin.
01:11:37
I want to ask because the thing is outside looking in, it looks the way they loved five in that city was different.
01:11:44
You mean like and I feel like they appreciate, um, Aaron Rodgers for his talent, his pinpoint accuracy, His leader, You know, like they appreciate him, but I just feel like the connection to the city was completely different for Brett.
01:11:57
Yeah, No, I agree.
01:11:58
I agree. Totally.
01:11:59
Totally.
01:12:00
So we're we're getting a lot of fanfare for Rico.
01:12:02
So we're going to get Rico on the show, so Yeah.
01:12:04
And just for the record, I know I'm joking, but I love Rico.
01:12:08
I love all my guys.
01:12:09
Listen, support the entire buffalo fanatics.
01:12:13
Raster, we have hat hot topics coming at you every single day.
01:12:17
We would keep adding talent.
01:12:19
We got some this stuff coming, and, uh, season's coming.
01:12:22
So we're actually we're about to be in the mode for it, So I'm telling you, if you like the topics now, when you think how they are You think they're going? Well, when the season gets here hummed a hotline is especially going to be high.
01:12:33
The recall reports going to especially be hot.
01:12:35
Those guys is gonna you know, everybody.
01:12:38
So so really support all my guys And just everybody knows that the Humpty hotline is gonna have a little bit of a different feel in season because we're gonna be talking about things that went right and wrong on Sunday.
01:12:49
And we're gonna take the rest of show to talk about and take questions just about what we think is gonna happen in the preview sense for the re coming.
01:12:55
So it'll be far more interactive even than it is now.
01:12:58
And obviously will be fielding questions, which should be fun.
01:13:00
And maybe throw some fantasy stuff in there, too, Which I gotta pay you for your fantasy league.
01:13:03
Still that you invited me to? I'm done that yet.
01:13:06
Oh, my gosh. $1.
01:13:07
Calling me again.
01:13:10
Well, like the, uh, somebody just that I feel like the legend of Rico with a clip.
01:13:14
Josh Rico, as fans, man, it z he casts a big shadow is casting a huge shadow.
01:13:25
That's so funny.
01:13:27
That's funny. Rego got me here.
01:13:29
What's that say? But I love you is exceptional.
01:13:31
I give him a judge in love.
01:13:37
That's hilarious of worry, Ellie, If we don't get an actual hotline is coming.
01:13:42
I'm trying to make it.
01:13:43
I'm trying to make it happen by the time this season gets here.
01:13:45
So one more month and I'm hoping that we're able to have the interaction live on the show on and if not, what I can actually do.
01:13:52
You know, I have an idea that we might we might talk about, But that happened.
01:13:55
What's your idea? Give it to me now, brother.
01:13:58
What my is because you know we can have guests on here.
01:14:01
I would say like the week.
01:14:02
So for instance, like now we're looking at comments that the people who super chat if you know, weaken invite them in as a guest on the show during a season.
01:14:11
Yeah, about that super chatters.
01:14:13
Yeah.
01:14:14
The person who was super chest the most during an episode will have you as a guest on the next show.
01:14:17
Could be dangerous.
01:14:18
Like it could be like they might.
01:14:21
It could be one of two things they like.
01:14:23
They could be horrible, like, totally freeze up on air and just be like or they could be, like, awesome.
01:14:30
And then they kick one of us off the show like, Hey, we want that guy.
01:14:33
So, Joe, you're gone.
01:14:34
All right, so you never know.
01:14:36
Although I think I think Rico might take her spot.
01:14:39
I'm just saying, I think we could afford a phone.
01:14:41
I think so.
01:14:42
Just doesn't want his number out.
01:14:44
I think that's what it is.
01:14:45
Yeah, that's what it is.
01:14:48
I'm not a scholar.
01:14:49
So no nobody when you call me anyway.
01:14:52
Uh, way.
01:14:54
Listen, guys do only so much fun, Kyle. Over.
01:15:00
Do you want to go there? No, I don't want to go there.
01:15:03
I feel I feel like we'll go there.
01:15:06
Oakley eso in the chat Guys in the Buffalo Fanatics chat.
01:15:12
We've been having these debates, probably for the last, like four weeks, literally, about Kyla Murray, Joe Borough Josh, seven.
01:15:19
In just different quarterbacks who really, Steve feels like he could pick over Josh Island at this point.
01:15:25
Um, the worst topic for the wears one that he chose was Joe Borough and everybody's opinion because, you know, that is not the worst trouble.
01:15:34
Lawrence later Trevor Lawrence of the year You forgot about the kid get first right when he's ready.
01:15:43
I feel like Steve's gonna do the same thing again next year.
01:15:45
He's going like Steve.
01:15:46
He's just Steve.
01:15:48
He says he loves Josh, needs a Bills fan.
01:15:50
I just don't I just don't know, man.
01:15:52
Yeah, I just don't know the legend.
01:15:55
The legend of Judge Mathis.
01:15:56
I love it.
01:15:57
Dude, I love the fact that he's building a following. I love.
01:15:59
I love the fact that he's not afraid to bring some takes That might not necessarily be popular, even if I don't agree with him.
01:16:05
And the reality is, is you know, I do the same thing and you do the same thing.
01:16:08
And and Steve is the man I appreciate Steve Appreciate the way his mind works.
01:16:13
Um, I just do.
01:16:14
I got mad love.
01:16:15
I got mad love for him.
01:16:16
So that's just that's just a personal thing to know.
01:16:18
Steve is the love, Steve. Absolutely.
01:16:20
So he's the man he's the and the energy brings to is just like off off the charts.
01:16:25
So yeah, he has that.
01:16:26
He definitely has some takes that a lot of people don't agree with.
01:16:30
But what I'm learning is to since I've started doing these shows, when you have those takes like that, you have to stand firm on them because you know the amount of people who will try to change your boy or you change your opinion.
01:16:40
For instance, My Cam Newton ST everybody in Buffalo disagree with me, but every other show that I've been on as a guess discipline that a Buffalo disagrees.
01:16:49
But there's so many people outside of Buffalo.
01:16:52
I've been a guest on shows lately, and I'm telling you, outside of Buffalo, the view is that Cam Newton and has something to prove, and he's going to do it.
01:17:00
And a lot of people seem to think that he's actually gonna bring a some type of, you know, little bits of that offense that Tom Brady couldn't do.
01:17:09
For instance, he couldn't run him.
01:17:10
What do you think the media line is going to be about Cam Newton in New England? Do you think that they're going to like? I think he's gonna suck this year? Sorry.
01:17:17
No, there. Of course we're gonna pump up.
01:17:19
It's a freakin Patriots.
01:17:20
Of course, that's what the media know.
01:17:21
The media saying that he'll set No saying that, dude everywhere that I don't get and I don't see any camera.
01:17:27
I'm seeing everybody saying that his Army shot is throwing motions off its throne, But that's what everybody's saying.
01:17:34
Here's I said it before talking to.
01:17:36
But when I'm talking to beat reporters like people who are in, like not and I'm not just talking to England, be reporters sometimes beat reporters for teams, the view one Cam Newton is completely different than what the reporters on TV Ursa and what you're saying.
01:17:52
Way to get a job.
01:17:54
I I haven't seen anybody talking about how cam other than you talking about how can and Patriot fans telling Ron came has something to prove.
01:18:02
I haven't seen nobody talking about that, but that's just me.
01:18:05
That's just me.
01:18:06
Sorry.
01:18:07
You read the during the Jets, you can hold me to it.
01:18:11
I'm not saying that the patch you're gonna go 16 or no or 12 and four.
01:18:15
What I'm saying is, Cam Newton is gonna I'm not a patriot late.
01:18:18
Let me back up.
01:18:20
I'm not a patriots made this, um, a Cam Newton, but no, no.
01:18:23
Let me make my love very clear.
01:18:25
Parallels Cam Newton.
01:18:27
Cam Newton is my guy.
01:18:28
He's got my guy since he was at Auburn.
01:18:30
I love him.
01:18:31
I've always left here.
01:18:32
If you if you If you go dispenses Twitter and you search J Spence and Robert Kraft, you'll see Tweet Re says that he believes that craft is innocent.
01:18:40
Just, you know, if you find if you find it, please send it to me.
01:18:44
I would you Would you $100 check right now? Like immediately, That's what.
01:18:49
I was just gonna say something Cameron was, though. That's funny.
01:18:52
Um, well, yeah, you in your country it Union Patriots love Cam signed for league minimum.
01:18:56
Something's broken? No, he signed for league minimum because that's the narrative, is that something's broken? I'm telling you, he's going, especially on the league minimum.
01:19:04
He's gonna prove you wrong, and he's going to tell you it's gonna be a walk over when we get when we get to those two games this season.
01:19:11
Don't go in there overly confident.
01:19:14
The best part about this conversation and just our relationship in generals.
01:19:17
It's so good cop, bad cop and it's not planned.
01:19:20
You're just the bad cop all the time.
01:19:21
I e actually said in the chat the other day.
01:19:25
I'm like, Yeah, I'll be the bad guy about this. He's like a newsflash.
01:19:28
You're always always the bad guy because you're a Patriots fan.
01:19:32
Just admit it, own it, bro, Your a Patriots fan who writes checks of bankers.
01:19:39
You know it's true.
01:19:41
He works for a bank boom, boom.
01:19:43
By the way, there's so there's like there's, like, 80 people watching this thing.
01:19:46
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01:19:48
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01:20:49
All right, so one more topic and then we can Ah, a whole topic.
01:20:54
Well, no, I mean one more comment, actually.
01:20:55
OK, ok, OK, because, uh, my wife just got home and I'm hungry.
01:20:59
She got subway.
01:21:00
Oh, so we're getting back to them making making humped a great again.
01:21:04
So did you see that? You say that, you know, I put it up there.
01:21:11
Monument Cody finished making something.
01:21:16
So where is it? Oh, you're just looking for one? Yeah.
01:21:20
Does that count? Let me.
01:21:23
Okay.
01:21:24
This is what I do hit me up in the comments real quick.
01:21:25
Let me, actually, because there's a bunch of fantasy leagues that are about to start drafts and, you know, other stuff.
01:21:31
Like Joe just mentioned he isn't it in the league with me as well.
01:21:34
So if you do not have the number one or to pick, you got number three.
01:21:39
Who are you picking? Oh, you're asking me at addressing the people? Well, the people is gonna take them a second.
01:21:49
Getting sick on Barclays.
01:21:51
Are we talking PPR? Are we talking? What? So that the sake ones going first? So sick when Barclays going first.
01:21:58
And at that point in time, I mean, you're always going to be in an argument at number two over, you know, probably one of the great wide receivers, right? So Julio Jones, although did Michael Thomas Did Michael Thomas opt out? Or was that just a joke that I saw on Twitter? I don't know, but I'm taking I'm taking CMC second.
01:22:17
No, no, no.
01:22:18
I was I was done.
01:22:19
I wasn't done.
01:22:20
I said there's going to be an argument about taking one of the great wide receivers.
01:22:23
Second, somebody always seems to come up in that top three spot to take one, Guys.
01:22:28
Yeah, well, you didn't hear me wrong. I just didn't get to finish.
01:22:31
So yes, I mean, for me at three.
01:22:32
If CMC is there, I'm taking CMC, um, from ah from a total overall running back standpoint, I don't know if there's anybody I'm trying to do.
01:22:42
The math in my head is far.
01:22:43
Not the math, which is strange breaks on the players in my head.
01:22:45
I don't know that there's anybody left worth the third overall pick from a running back standpoint.
01:22:50
I mean, the running backs were pretty deep this year.
01:22:52
Um, you know, you're talking about a lot of teams like Singletary is gonna have the value.
01:22:56
I don't think that he had last year.
01:22:57
I think Moss is gonna cut the news carries.
01:23:00
But, I mean, he wouldn't be worthy of the top three pick anyway, But I don't know.
01:23:04
Um, yeah, what do you Would you take it three.
01:23:07
But you got to love you know who's going first and second.
01:23:09
I mean, you can't just be like, 03 I'm taking this guy.
01:23:11
Yeah, I got so first, um, obviously, like you said Barclays going first, then I think McCaffrey's going second.
01:23:21
So, me, I'm sticking with a running back.
01:23:23
At this point, I would go with Zeke.
01:23:27
Ah, probably.
01:23:29
You're probably right.
01:23:30
Um, so, Zeke, what so z I took? I think it took the third last year.
01:23:34
Um, if I'm not mistaken in one of the league's that I was in and I want my league, by the way, um, interestingly enough, um, it's tough to see sparks in here, but yeah, it's gonna be CMC or Barkley, right? So what I'm saying, there's always everybody.
01:23:51
Everybody knows it.
01:23:52
There's always the one guy that top three picks that, like, jumps up and takes.
01:23:56
Actually in the top four, a quarterback and wide receiver.
01:23:58
There's always somebody that doesn't in a PPR league.
01:24:00
Like uh, OK, like PPR leagues.
01:24:03
The first A player should always be running backs, in my opinion, but that's just me.
01:24:07
So what? It depends for me depends on the lead.
01:24:11
Like so, for instance, the league that you and Ira we have a super flicks so you can have a quarterback your flex position, and that's not normal.
01:24:18
That's not normal, though.
01:24:19
There's some leads.
01:24:20
There's, like most leagues, actually, no money leads that have been playing like that.
01:24:24
That's the reason why it's set up like this for ours.
01:24:27
But I could seek Amira.
01:24:30
Yeah.
01:24:32
Oh, you haven't Alvin handle.
01:24:33
Alvin had an off year last year like he didn't have a great year last year.
01:24:38
Was he down a little bit last year, just in numbers.
01:24:40
He was just a little bit.
01:24:41
But I think the team had to adjust.
01:24:43
They just lost.
01:24:44
Ah, what's my guy that went up the box? And Aaron Jones.
01:24:48
I'm not back in Aaron Jones.
01:24:50
Aaron Jones had a great season last year.
01:24:52
And, yes, he had a monster loaded touchdowns.
01:24:54
That's not gonna happen again.
01:24:56
Like it's just not gonna happen again.
01:24:58
That team.
01:24:59
Yeah, I'm just Yeah, I'm just gonna stop it there, so Yeah, And don't be yelling at us, Elliot.
01:25:05
Using cap is I saw this somewhere, and I debated it.
01:25:12
So, uh, the wide receiver down in Dallas.
01:25:16
Uh, help me.
01:25:18
I'm having a brain ****.
01:25:19
The wide receiver Omar Cooper Cooper.
01:25:22
Do you think he's a top five receiving a leak right now? Top five in the league.
01:25:28
It's debatable.
01:25:30
it's debate.
01:25:31
I'm like he is, but it's debatable.
01:25:32
You're gonna find people to do.
01:25:34
Surprisingly, a ton of people think he is.
01:25:37
I think I think I think I think stuff on ****s Get out.
01:25:39
Gain him this year.
01:25:41
Absolutely.
01:25:42
I now give him top set like that in that top 10 like but closer to five.
01:25:46
But I just wouldn't put him in that.
01:25:47
I'm not gonna lie.
01:25:48
That's not a bad that son of a bad third pick overall.
01:25:52
Was that Kelsey? Travis Kelsey.
01:25:54
I've seen guys do that.
01:25:55
I've seen guys win that way because when you're talking tight ends like it's Travis Kelsey and everybody else still as much as like, you know, some of these, uh, who's the dude from the 40 Niners with, uh, my brains were both having brain for it's time to eat, that's what.
01:26:14
Yeah, but yeah, it Z that that's not a bad idea.
01:26:17
So Mark Ingram Mark Ingram is not.
01:26:18
I don't I don't think that I don't think that about that's what someone When I said the reason why Camaro had the issue like his numbers dropped because they just walked Ingram so teams were adjusting.
01:26:29
Teoh running game, and they knew your Camaro was getting the ball.
01:26:32
George Kittel.
01:26:33
It was right on that red turn.
01:26:34
The tip of my tongue.
01:26:35
Thanks, everybody. Everybody, you guys are awesome.
01:26:37
Um, Cooper's two is 25 Yeah, you got their top five you get running for Didn't, um interesting.
01:26:47
Interesting stuff.
01:26:49
Listen, guys, if you if there's enough people that wants to do a Buffalo Fanatics Fantasy League, we have one that separate that we're doing with just our guys, But I would be more than happy to put together.
01:27:00
That's a dining that's a dynasty league.
01:27:02
So that's a little different, but But I would be more than happy to put together a league.
01:27:05
I just need to any engagement, and I need to make sure that people pay in advance.
01:27:10
I'm the type of commissioner.
01:27:11
Money has to be paid before the draft.
01:27:13
If that were not drafted, money talks.
01:27:17
What happens if you end up getting like 70 people? That's like seven leagues.
01:27:20
You run all seven leagues? Yeah, do it really Look at this guy that I know.
01:27:25
It's kind of like what cover one did last year.
01:27:27
I don't know if anybody in the chat was part of the Cover One leagues, but they had like seven or eight different leagues under the umbrella of Cover one.
01:27:33
I just I won't play in every week, but I can help them run it.
01:27:37
Christian Key Coming in hot.
01:27:39
Michael Thomas, Julio Tyreek Hill, Mike Evans, Beckham.
01:27:41
I'm not sure about Beckham.
01:27:42
See, that's the problem.
01:27:43
That's where it gets hazy, right about Beckham because he placed in the Browns.
01:27:48
But that doesn't mean he's not a top five stever.
01:27:50
That just means his quarterback.
01:27:51
Okay, I were thinking differently.
01:27:53
If we're talking about top five potential receiver if if.
01:27:55
If Odo Beckham Jr played for you know, a better quarterback, then yes, he's top five.
01:28:00
But in his current situation, I don't think they have top five wide receiver numbers.
01:28:04
Well, there's I don't Are we still talking fantasy? Because when I actually I would be in the top five player, I wasn't talking fantasy value player.
01:28:12
Well, no, we're having this conversation.
01:28:14
But then I say that.
01:28:16
Then I say, No, I don't I don't think Cooper's a top five player in the like wider Steve in the NFL.
01:28:20
I don't think so.
01:28:21
No, I think there's better water shooters in the NFL.
01:28:22
I think Keenan Allen better than Amari Cooper.
01:28:27
We have all of O B J.
01:28:30
What? What do we do? That I miss it? That was the top five that you just put up.
01:28:34
Yeah, he put the top five up.
01:28:36
So he's putting up hot.
01:28:37
He's right.
01:28:38
Nuke is better than O B. J and current situation.
01:28:41
Although, But see, I don't put Tyreke your Mike Evans Overbeck a nuclear Iran nuke might be running a lot of wide receiver screens this year.
01:28:50
I think that's gonna change.
01:28:51
Honestly, No look at other than because we've had to stop to.
01:28:55
So obviously, he has the most reliable wide receiver out there from last season in the years before.
01:29:02
But this year, kind of Murray having, um, these type of receivers now I'm selling is not gonna be that dink and dunk that we saw last season is gonna be a completely different I'm not saying because I live in Arizona now.
01:29:12
He's just gonna be a better quarterback, Pierre.
01:29:14
The answer is you.
01:29:15
You Pierre? Yeah, is you? The answer is you.
01:29:19
Everybody wants it.
01:29:23
She just ended there is that like the end of the show? We have 30 seconds left fantasy.
01:29:30
I don't get it.
01:29:31
I started comin earlier.
01:29:32
Cody, you said, You feel like is ruining football.
01:29:34
I don't I don't feel like his running football.
01:29:36
I think it actually helps the engagement for for common fans because you're following players that you wouldn't normally watch or pay attention to.
01:29:44
I just think that it it allows people who don't really watch everything to pay attention to everything else.
01:29:48
I love it.
01:29:49
I love it when you get when they when they interview the players and, ah like it some of those not just some of the off show, so not like a normal interview.
01:29:57
But when they, like, the players, talk about like other players that like like, let them down in fantasy, I think that's really, really funny, so why don't we wrap this thing up? Because we've lost about 2020 viewers in the last probably three minutes, so I think everybody check every checking out alone.
01:30:13
90 minutes is a long time to hang out.
01:30:15
I want to just thank everybody for tuning into the Humpty Hotline were one day every day we're one day closer to the NFL season happening.
01:30:22
And right now everything is on schedule.
01:30:24
Just for those of you that don't know, there's gonna be a ramp up period with training camp so they can't do anything until the 12th of August.
01:30:30
And then they can start doing football activities from the 12th to the 17th and they can't actually put pads on and hit each other until the 17th.
01:30:36
So there's really gonna be no true information that probably comes from the NFL's first training camps Will be very weird this year.
01:30:43
No pre season if you haven't heard that.
01:30:45
But the season is expected to start on time.
01:30:48
My name is Joe Miller.
01:30:49
I'm the host of the overreaction podcast and ah, super Thankful for you to be here.
01:30:52
That is my guy over there.
01:30:54
I did it right the first time.
01:30:55
Yeah, I think I did that.
01:30:57
But Well, it is J.
01:31:01
Spencer King.
01:31:02
I am the host of Code of Conduct podcast.
01:31:04
We had an episode come out today, so if you ah still wanna listen System build stuff before you go to bed tonight that during Buffalo, go ahead and, uh, take a listen to it.
01:31:12
And tomorrow, who seems chose tomorrow? Uh, Thursday.
01:31:17
Pierre, I forget, But you had Dell read on your show today.
01:31:21
Did have read on my show a very good show. Super good.
01:31:24
If you're interested in how the bills Mafia started, jump on and listen to Ah ah, the code of conduct.
01:31:29
Because that was a really great interview, Del.
01:31:32
Just a great interview just in general.
01:31:36
So Yeah, but I appreciate you guys joining us, Uh, until next time next week.
01:31:41
Right. So we'll be doing this the same bat time.
01:31:43
Same bat channel next week.
01:31:44
Humpty Hotline bringing a t hot Bring it Making Making Hump Day relevant again All around Western New York and the country.
01:31:52
J.
01:31:53
Spencer.
01:31:54
Love you do have a wonderful evening until the wife I said Hi.
01:31:55
We'll talk to you soon.
01:31:57
Yes, sir.
01:31:58
You tell your wife is saying all right.
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