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So we're going to do There was talk about, um, the f b a general news, I think Williams Big story.
It's come up in recent days doing so.
I would say inexcusable things when he was on his excused absence and to the point where that could impact the rest of the Clippers schedule.
That's only be two games, but it's still a big problem for them.
Tim's joining on How do you get out here except or invited that I wanted to be on here, but yeah, it's a way of lives.
And then we're going with the award show that we did with the structural podcast, would get our picks for all the major would categories.
And then I don't just talk about the restarts five days away from everybody starting the game play and that we have the two games state on Thursday night, it started just a Velickovic.
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I just think so.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the marquee matchup that everyone's gonna want to see that night.
Yes, it actually is a way.
We've come a long way to get your honest.
And it's been four plus months, no basketball.
We have had two scrimmages over the past week or so, but that is quite indicative of what we're going to see with full minutes and restricted themselves to 15 to 20.
They are maxing out of 25 but we haven't seen the full minutes of what the playoffs rotations are gonna look like, Um, forward.
So you could go on.
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I got to give a little preface of what we're gonna talk about News Williams awards that are going It's me.
I think somebody's I might have to sit out because I'm rather by bucks, so I don't need to get my some of them, but I can give my second choice.
Maybe, um, if I could take a block, I think that's for a lot of those categories.
But, um, that is Sean comments.
John and I had a conversation, Um, a couple days ago.
It is a guest in your way.
Talk about maybe answer a collection of you on, Uh, so he knows exactly what I am going to say for some of this.
So I guess one of the good start off talking about the way I think that's the biggest story right now with, um, Wednesday among a bunch of guys that have left the bubble for various reasons.
And he's the one that's broken his agreement or whatever you wanna call it.
So I guess can't go ahead.
Wouldn't think it z I mean, it's 10 days.
At the same time, it z a very serious offense that could ultimately hurt the bubble.
If it happens again, maybe you just don't know, right? Yeah, exactly.
That's that's where I'm at with It is if, like, that's the the way that this virus moves in silence.
Almost not that it's silent.
But you know, I mean, like, it's moving quietly.
It goes through many, many people, you know.
Obviously, it's a pandemic that's gonna happen.
So him leaving, going Teoh A.
We'll call it a gentleman's club.
Keep this slightly PG.
Um, I just think it's a poor, poor choice, like, because if he gets it and goes to practice, then the whole team has it, and it's over than the whole thing.
Is that because if they don't have Kawai and Paul George in the playoffs for money sake and for player safety sake, they're not having the rest of the season, it's just not gonna happen like they wouldn't not going to do that.
So I think if if that happens again, like Sean Holmes, his his is different.
He went to get food, he was picking up food and he was gonna come back.
And then we've had plenty of names on the Twitter about Chris Paul with the binoculars and the phone.
Call it, um, but I think Louisville did something that everyone was trying to prevent with the whole idea of the bubble, and he went directly against it. Dylan.
Well, it didn't shot Holmes.
Go outside this hotel across the line by, like, five feet or something just to pick up, take out something stupid like that.
You have to take precautions.
If that's where the line is, that's what the line is.
But for Lou Williams and with Rapid that he was thanks.
You remember his name, but discussing, Oh, this is a picture.
It's like nobody was wearing Mass a couple months ago like there's just it's not realistic.
So the fact that it's finally it was his mistake, I'd be more upset, you know, try to keep it.
That obviously wasn't what happened, so, but again, it's you looking based on seven.
A problem with now with the Miami Marlins.
They had eight players, says positive coaches, I believe, and they're not in isolation.
So the fact that the focus is isolation should be the biggest thing for guys they are.
You're supposed to do it something where it's a big part of what's making this fish have it.
So, um James stuff.
Thank you for the popcorn players on the mind, so it increased from Um, that's according to Johnson and Johnson.
I'm guessing, is a Miami guy across the board with guys, but it's just wonder with baseball, because that's 66 60 game, 66 days, there's not a lot of room to resettle.
Also expanded playoffs to 16 teams, which will take a long time.
They shut down and already having problems after one Siri's.
So and I feel well, I'd love for them to play a full 60 game season.
But just look at this point.
But I get back to the NBA.
Talked about Williams any strip.
It highlights that you guys have watched and have seen any changes to players that have even slept down.
Um, Chornovil, you're so badly degrees the other direction.
But if you go ahead and if you've watched any highlights, you wanna like Okay, now we can't hear Cory. I don't know.
Yeah, right away.
I'm not sure what videos still looking good quality.
So I guess camp watching these judges and yeah, that I've watched the time of scrimmages.
All I'm going to say about? I didn't want to talk about the sun's today, but in a very limited sentence.
No, uh, go ahead when I'm just excited for when Devin Booker is a timber wolf because I forgot how good he was.
And then, you know, he came back.
And instead of playing really well, uh, no.
I think as far as you know, you sat like players slimming down.
There's actually a lot of guys that look, you know, different.
Like I think LeBron looked similar.
But I think like Dwight Howard, with little slimmer JaVale McGee looked a little bit slim down like, um, Dion.
Waiters look pudgy as ever, but you know, he could score.
Uh, like, I just I think I think the scrimmages have been fun, like, there's some good energy.
That's, um, Summerlee vibes with it.
But when it gets down to the real stuff, I think it's gonna be a lot different.
So the scrimmages have helped some players get back into shape and stuff.
But, you know, it's not gonna be like you said earlier.
That's not gonna be representative of the real thing, right? And it's just to see players back in action.
I mean, everybody's going on for months and some guys to pick up where they left office is a good sign, especially when it's easy.
You have just crazy injury that happens in a stupid discriminated fortune.
We haven't seen that today stuff, so that's that's good.
I said, We're going to talk before you.
You could hear you technology, man.
Yeah, I know, it's it seems very erratic, I guess Store keep messing with you can have tools.
Prophecy? Not, uh, not for just so Yeah, I guess what I've seen that watched various seems I do like, watch the blazers a lot.
And I think they even though they have a foal very now to have the best shot at this.
Is that because you have several reasons not Rob, it's not there, But I have seen it.
Looks like he's taking that step for you.
Um, yeah, double its Just look really good.
Lost both of those teams, so I don't know how much stock you want to put it, but it's just the way that they looked because together didn't really didn't play the last one, so they have work to do.
Like Tim points out chatting with this.
They do, so it won't be easy for them to get within four games.
They have to make up taking the way they have to make up at least two way talks. Previously.
Memphis, They just tread water.
If you could go 500 so either sequitur at and they want to play a game at all or table barely stuck in their where they had the bandage.
So, I mean, that's instead of take a lot.
I think people still forget the Memphis has a lot to work with.
They wanted social of advantages where again, just you go forward for five.
Poland is easier than not according absolutely right.
I mean, it's Grizzlies has, like I have to double check.
But again, those teams in the West that are gonna fight that's odd.
It's been a difficult road, regardless of what this gentle looks like, because it's a level playing field, there's no home court advantage that's all out the window.
So whatever teams were able to do, you're getting damaged games with quickly people.
Phoenix, for example, playing in Washington on your schedule those typical games step.
You don't have the luxury of playing a bunch of those like Chicago work.
So sorry, but, um, I it's it's just sand.
So that Golden State again, those you don't have the luxury of client down the steps. True.
Maybe due to get guys rest that exists.
So yeah, I think for once got a shot.
I don't think the pelicans is going to be there.
I just didn't see enough and getting it to guys like Brandon and Susan and my candidate.
It's all it's stuff, but I don't think they ever likes to be.
Oh, so I guess if you want to jump in next well, she jumping awards Or is there something else like this? I think just the words that Okay, I'll give you go for Corey.
So it's like that.
You just heard it and I don't.
But that's what you think about last time.
Well, leave it to me, I guess if we want to jump into awards, we have the six major and six nature.
I think it's every PM my Rookie of the Year Coach of the Year.
Six million in the year defensive player executives out just because that seems to be a very general and familiar way.
I think the biggest one is most improved and how previous seasons we haven't seen any competition that every year it's been a long in the past types of this year.
I've done six of candidates that have also Bamut.
A bottle is one of those six, and but the problem is each one of those guys improved in different ways and have different rules.
That's so where any of these guys will win in 11 cities.
Because just looking at the voting it was like 100.
Some voters 99 1st place votes for somebody at least 80.
The next down was 12.
Russell was second place with 12.
Think that could be split up so much where it's gonna come down to second at third place votes, gets the win because I'm gonna go down my list? Insists it's Duncan.
Robin sits on that top six, By the way, I think that's one of the more underrated ones.
Look, I Don John there, dammit! A bio.
Josh alluded to bring a bigger in this connection.
Previously, to go is another one that I think should get consideration on until with it, just because it's Charlotte not being very good that she killed Alexander was my six.
So before, I don't feel my my, I have Duncan on the list.
Yeah, it's he went from being a two guys never really played to being one of the best three point shooters issue.
I mean, that's that's a seat that is very difficult to attain.
And especially when he's down, started out a playoff team in the Eastern Conference.
That's not a bottom feeding team has previously projected.
That's you have that consideration, whether he's six on your list or for me, he's probably more than middle of them.
So I'm not gonna like what is.
Honestly, I'm still sure I will go out of order here.
Well, so the funny thing.
I also had six players written down, and they were also the exact same six players written down that you have written down.
We were on a par there, but my winner has to be Vampeta bio.
Okay, I think I think at a bio has grown and not only defensively, but as a playmaker as a rebounder.
As a scorer, he's getting better at just about every facet of the game.
He became kind of a modern version of Amar E.
Stoudemire a little bit.
He has that kind of, you know, that kind of like do it all ability against rebounding defense, you know, going to the rim.
I loved watching him this year.
He impressed me more than just about anybody other than like, like, other than like top guys.
He was the guy that surprised me the most.
I guess I should say, and that's what this award is.
So I think Brendan England would be my second, though, because he, yeah, Jock's another good comparison and another heat guy.
So you haven't think since, um, but Brandon Ingram, to me, just doesn't have enough on both ends and his his playmaking improved.
He got better with the ball in his hands, but I think he's still sort of one dimensional a little bit, and I if I'm building a team right now, I think I'd rather have added by on my team then.
So that's where that choice comes from, okay? Yeah, I mean, brandy.
When he was 3 to 7.
Number two overall. Pick you back.
Like working with Kevin Durant.
Everybody compared in.
There's a lengthy guy that's gonna become Kevin Durant, and I think we're starting to see what it is granted.
Design about flying from the Georgia gave him that opportunity to do scenery along with his former teammates Lonzo, Josh Hart, that they're no longer in the l.
A spotlight of everything you do scrutinized.
So, yeah, my originally had no for on this list.
I put SDA and understates about Graham sits, um, bigger number four top threes.
Kind of still up in the air.
I do not dunk it in the top three.
I don't think a lot of people do that just because it is only 30 points a game, but it's still a huge step up.
From what I think, this there's a guy, you know.
Those guys don't have a lot of running when they do.
It's like garbage time.
Um, court out you outside.
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So this is good.
Probably late out of an idea.
So we're just going through my candidates camera.
Both agreed on six pregnant six people better at the top six.
And those guys in no particular order are Look down.
Church, family, the bio.
Duncan Robinson, Brandon Graham, for example.
So not sure what you have, but since you could do you now, gonna let you go ahead.
So I give your top three.
What if you want to discuss? Yeah, so you cut out a little bit, so I'm gonna make sure that I heard everybody I heard SDA Luca, Uh, can you go over the list again? Real quick.
That saw making sugar Robinson bring a new device.
Okay, so, um, I only listed one on I went with them.
But, I mean, I agree with you.
I generally agree with your list.
Uh, I think I like Luca and STS seasons a little bit more, but I'm always a little bit leery to give it to a second year player just because I think it's logical, given when they're getting more opportunity, they're going to improve some.
While those two have improved a lot, I usually try to look at people.
There have been there a little bit more.
I'm saying that's why I didn't necessarily take like SDA or Luca.
So I went with bam because just not only has he taken us step forward in what we already knew he was good at, like he's able to bring the ball up the floor now.
And he's a legitimate defensive, like, all defensive team kind of guy.
It's just I didn't see like I thought he was going to be good, but I didn't think he was gonna be like All Star good this year, and I think that that's kind of taken them to another level.
Wilder woman's give the credit to Jimmy and it is a lot of Jimmy Butler being there. Probably helped him.
His evolution this year has really cemented them.
Is one of the top seeds in these 2 May.
Yeah, so, yeah, Jimmy Butler definitely, you know, got on him about him like he was already a good defensive player.
But that's the thing that that's the difference between out of Ohio and my favorite player.
Cat is a cat is more of a codel kind of guy.
Bennett a bio stuff.
He's gonna take that criticism.
He's gonna work with it like it's just how those two are wires.
Guest? Um, yeah, I like.
I like to give Jimmy Butler credit whenever I can.
Is it to rules fan Because he's, you know, he's a really good player, like, regardless of what he did to us, like he's a very good liar and he deserves a lot of credit.
Did you in a couple of other franchise before? Yeah, hold.
Yeah, those are good points in that as I did.
You go through this this I still think my house the advantage.
Just because he started a 21 point game up that nearly 29 resulted this team playoff team that I otherwise, I think they would be here at all, I think Dallas. I had tests.
I thought they would be OK, like 35 41 Teen.
But I didn't think they would be as good as they are now.
This is great, but you know, people talk about the Western Conference too difficult, and it's hard to wear and what He's a really good I get seeing he was out of the playoffs, likes that's a precursor to what we're going to see four points and died on I've seen unless people think that we might be better than the honest five years.
That's that's the prediction.
But I will wholeheartedly disagree with stuff I've seen.
You know, it's becoming a legitimate what people think that is going to be pretty also, no question.
So I think now, with elephants after 20 anger on a playoff to I think that you heavily weighted with savior now, then they're going to say, **** was the all sorry that he was still challenged and he's doing all this self.
So I think it's good.
I think it's between those.
But again, you have six candidates that otherwise three seasons gets its.
Can we get one runaway candidate, maybe two or three guys day? You have a good improved season, but it's not anywhere near think any of its six guys we've mentioned.
But that's what we want to see.
It's not this board and my beaches in the scoring award and talk about because it's one guy that runs away people.
Yes? And then you have, uh this is one in there.
I'm gonna look it up now, Last five years instead of run away every time while you're looking it up That's what I was gonna say.
I usually hate this award because, like, it's either that or it's like they're also like, What? How do you really quantify? Most improved, But like this year? Okay, Yeah.
Uh, all all of these guys, like it's so drastic what happened for all of them? And that's what's so impressive.
Like while I didn't pick those guys, I absolutely agree with you that they're deserving.
In any other year, they would be the weather, right? Well, it's just crazy because developed around was a guy that went from three points per game.
Now he's granted, Charlie, this is very good, and you would be plenty of opportunity there, but that's something no worthy.
Regardless, I think if you compare it with previous winners, and so hopefully we'll get this kind of stuff every year.
But I know this is my pizza big one that I think that's gonna take up most of our award time.
So we're gonna move on because I think that was a good discussion.
But we need to hit the other categories.
I think you should do next.
Um, what do you think we'll say that? Well, OK, yeah.
So, Court One, Uh, so I hope Bailey is not in the chat because, I mean, I like and this I know that this is not a popular opinion.
Oh, I don't care.
I I absolutely believe it.
I'm going with Ion on.
I'll tell you why I like I get so I get that.
He's only played 19 games.
I obviously that's a problem, but he's better in him than him in points, blocks, efficiency.
He's a better plus minus.
He has a better net rating.
And this was the same argument that I would have made a couple years ago when Malcolm, it's just like I mean, I know.
But who would you have said that I like to me like this isn't like most valuable where, like, you have to make the impact to meet because, I mean, we're looking at who the best rookie is, and I must say, I'm not to do this to take anything away from job.
I'm just saying Joel Embiid was a better player.
He just wants, I mean, yes, it's his sample size was smaller, but we're not looking at what kind of impact like I mean, I guess I can be a factor again, But I'm not looking at this for who has the most impact on their teams wedding.
And if we were, I think if the season had continued and this is why I know they're saying Stop it now, but I'm not withholding.
I'm like I'm not beholden to the things that they're doing I think he would have caught him and I like I know that he still only play 20 something games.
But if his efficiency and his impact on teammates like Juanjo and things like that would have continued, I think he would have had a legitimate shot.
I like I obviously, then jaw is great, and I'm sure that so you guys were going to pick.
So I'm gonna stand on my soap box a little bit longer that it's not just about the highlight reel dunks or anything like that.
It's it's It's a lot of and I already said his name.
The way he longs Oh, transformed when he's on the court with Zion is kind of what I'm saying.
It's and I know draw makes his teammates better food.
But Lonza looks so much better.
He fits the offense so much better.
And if he can have that kind of an impact on somebody like that in 19 games, in addition to all those other highlights like to me, it's just, I I know it's obviously clothes and I'm not gonna be right.
But that's I I'll just always make the argument for who I think the better player is.
And I think even in five years, well, I think job will probably be an All Star.
I think we'll both well think that Zion's the better player, so that's that's that's much feel.
You guys come get us going, obviously, tell me how wrong I am.
I I'm picking John Moran because of I think as a total like like it's it's out, it's I don't disagree with you that Zion is maybe a better player.
But I think the I mean the health stuff is kind of it's it's weird, like tea to deal with that because I like in those 19 games like you, said, Zion was so impactful.
But he made players better in a different way, that a lot of people make other players better.
Like normally, it's your playmaking.
It's like receiving playmaking, I guess.
Like you were talking about with Alonso like he can, he can make plausible, better he could make and we'll get you made burning worse.
So I guess I won't say that he has a gravitational force that also pulls him up, which gives.
Learned a little bit of extra space that he needs, right? Yeah, but John Moran coming in and being that much of a leader right away.
This team, from what I literally predicted, is the worst team in the N B.
This year to the eighth seed, I think is special.
I think it's worth Rookie of the Year.
I think, Ah, a lot of his highlights or just is good design on because they're very different, obviously, because they're different players.
But, um, you know, I think jod deserves it because of his his impact on their team at 19 years old.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it looks like a mini Westbrook with his explosiveness and his ability to primitive size.
I mean, it's not very common in today's you guys that you don't see in their eyes.
It's on this friend since Saturday, when you everything 20 plus game.
So hopefully John stick around.
That's still one difference.
So I'm gonna dressing Josh.
Setting jobs again is a guy with us.
You wrote a piece that Kendrick that was really informative and highlight stuff that I think is pushed out of the road too much this season.
It is difficult for me to pick him over job just because the job was expected to be that talk to which again, I think that might play a part both for and against him because everybody expects those to be good jobs on.
But every knows about Kevin, not once.
None of us knew.
He waas opening week, and then you look at its history and it's like your Judy drafted with Ellis.
I do remember one thing from opening week.
How Kendrick Nunn, uh, when he played the Timberwolves the first week of the season, he scored about 25 points and destroyed Jeff Teague.
He was pretty quickly and I was like, Oh, you might be able to destroy Jeff Teague if he was still on the temples.
Yeah, yeah, but again, I think he's gotta be Yeah, absolutely.
Question it's a matter of impact.
So the impact is completely between the two jobs.
Your number one option on Kendrick non while he is a stunner is probably down there.
Baby number four.
So But for you to do this and stuff into a contending team, where did credit to John and the Grizzlies? Because way off, they finish last in the standings out west.
Maybe you guys have 14 more in their Yeah.
I didn't think they were gonna be any good.
Do you have a bunch of Mexico shoes now? Their head coach Transit.
How? That How that works, Bucks Guys coming in with fixing organizations.
But so I think that the instead of a job but Kendrick not is gonna has to be.
Maybe not close eye.
You just say something Output and I dont know science faster, Better player.
It's the same thing with my kids.
Just totally filled rocket because they be quiet and 34 already.
Something that's that's also I think you're going anyway, So yeah, job would be a year Kendricks gonna be close.
It's a close second.
My people done well okay.
Now instead averaged 20 games because he already took that step from from nothing so I wouldn't be alive.
Eligible couples that work if you because I was yelled you, obviously, but I don't think I would have to looking.
So how about six million year? Because this is something that I have sort of an issue with the overall eligibility of 16 year, because you put your guys, they're averaging 30 minutes a game.
So they have the starters love minutes that ***ually and then there are eligible for six minutes year because they come off the bench.
This thing Williams, that shooter mantra sterile.
And again, this is gonna be argument for George Hill because, like three three so and Lou Williams, you go down the list.
Obviously, he's been the victorious six minutes here, and there had been a shooting that was once a starter.
He's on the bench, but again, just 31 minutes a game.
So how much stock you put it? I have to change the eligibility.
But if we're looking strictly what it is now, I think, for instance, that the shooter, as the overall impact over Lou Williams over mantra, is just because Oklahoma City again with sources nowhere near the playoffs.
I was gonna make them a thing that I saw something better.
Sacramento which, again? That didn't work out.
So But I did a picture just because that is such a piece that their success you have Chris Paul, you have gallanar.
But truth is the one that that fits the mold and getting from point guards nothing that's not supposed to work with how just general rotations go.
You know, that's that's something you don't see very often.
Were three little able to be successful in their own way? Somebody sure this is.
Uh, I am actually making this decision right now, because I yeah, I mean, it's it's because then a shorter has.
Not that he's a most improved candidate, but he you know, he got so much better as a fit into a system that he was in Atlanta, But he was a lot better this year, kind of working with instead of working just by himself, scoring 20 points on 18 shots like I like that, uh, he improved is a like a playmaker, like he did.
He did a lot of good things this year, but I just I think it's mantra. Several.
He's very solid.
He gets rebounds.
He does all the little stuff.
He's the impeded me of what a six minute it's like.
He does all of the not in the box score things other, like God's blocks, whatever.
But he could work very well with a lot of different players.
He can do a lot of different things.
I think he did that this year with even with a lot of star power coming in like he you know, he held his own right.
Well, this is another one real quick Korea now.
But you get, please.
This is a little bit, I think, in previous seasons has really been a competition.
Have you nothing there? Gordon wanted by a landslide, and Williams has always been that guy.
But now you have three legitimate can.
It's really instructive being part of that.
It's still a good rigs that we can that these awards that wait nine months for no after the season's over to decide we actually have some discussion of awards and that's what I think makes it done before stuff.
And so I said in my picks for another site and your argument, Eric actually convinced me because I was so close to the entire time between the two and something else that I like.
I've seen, I think, really sets it apart.
Um, because I originally picked Trez, but the line up with shrewder Chris Paul, um, sda Danilo and Steven Adams is the number one line up in the N B.
And while that's obviously not all on him, that's impactful.
And it's not something you would have ever thought like I mean, even if you're talking about where we thought they were gonna finish in the standings, take that out of it.
There's not a world where you thought we could compare a thunder lineup to a Clipper lineup, and it's tough because, well, I do know that Harold is technically the sixth man.
It's not even about the minutes thing when you have two people on the same team that air combined for it.
Like which one of them, actually the sixth man that I think I know that that's a lot of matchup based stuff.
And at that point There's no match up where Dennis routers, not the answer is the sixth man off the bench for the thunder.
So, um, I agree with everything Camp said about Harold.
If he was my sixth lib, I'd be extremely excited.
It's just while you said the hair that Carol is the quintessential six man, not the parts heirs, but for I mean, as long as I've been watching basketball at the quintessence, the quintessential six man is a guard off the bench that knows how to come in and laid it up.
And shrewder has done done that this year better than we've ever seen him do it.
And I like to me.
That's just I'm flip flopping on my other by previous assume because, like my paper that I have written down in front of you has tries on it.
But Aaron are saying it really kind of reaffirmed that for me.
Um, I would be remiss if I did not mention Derrick Rose.
Obviously, I don't think he's the answer.
I think he has to be on the ballot just because it's easy to ignore somebody that was on a terrible team by pistons were terrible, but he had no and he had a nice bounce back and not bounce back because he was good for the tip werewolves last year.
But where he showed again this year that he is a quality six man on a bad team and he can be.
And if you guys saw the article I think was ready for Ugur that talked about how he should have been our teams in the West were trying to trade him for him for, like, literally nothing, because I thought he could be the kind of six man that could sway a title run.
And I firmly believe that after watching him, obviously he was never swaying a little run in Detroit.
That the only thing they're competing for the top pick in the draft.
But I think on the right team s so I'm not gonna punish him for being on my team.
I would say he's probably fourth or fifth, depending on how you want to argue George Hill because I think toward shells on about like I gave you.
I laughter what you were saying, but like I I obviously told me, and I'm just rolling my eyes because I'm so happy for you, the of the best team in the league.
Um, I think that's another.
Like you said, it's kind of cool that there's five candidates that even if I don't really agree with there grows.
In fact, that I could make an argument for the fifth candidate is something we haven't been able to do in years.
No, I put goes on that top five. No question.
He's resurrected his after everybody kind of thought he was done when Cleveland story inconsistent at first.
You so everybody kind of done.
But now he comes back.
Yeah, I was with Was With was really good.
And unfortunately again, that's not their fault.
All the injuries, We're just absolutely devastating to anybody's progress.
18. They're not gonna be wedding.
I mean, they're not.
It's just it's the unfortunate part of this team.
Is this injury riddled quickly? It's just It's what happens when you put all that salary and people that always get injured.
Yeah, trades people.
Yeah, that's the trick.
Is part of that small market.
Um, Rob wouldn't can't the track free agency business.
Oh, just two examples I can think of, but big markets, little markets, fish, little fish.
So real quick, I want address with, Tim said in the comments, from where he thinks that someone from Toronto should be on the ballot.
Um, I'm pretty high on Toronto.
I've I've actually been pretty like I'm really intrigued by their chances, but my issue is who because I think they have such a strong bench, but it's not one person, so I don't think anyone really separates themselves from the pack enough for me to put somebody on this list.
But I think their bench might be, if not the best, one of the best in the league, and I think that's what's really intriguing.
But I just don't think I don't think it's like 1/6 man type of thing.
I think it's more of a bench mob type of thing.
If that makes sense to you guys, I'll give them second place for the best.
I like I said, I'm not saying they're the best.
I just think they're in the conversation.
But I think that, you know, even if their worst of the Bucks like if that's what you're comparing them to that's a pretty high standard to compare them toe.
I look in Toronto, and I think they might think it's set in the East.
It's a lot of people are sort of Miami like you get a full 5 600 votes and talked about this on the podcast shot, but it was over 40%.
It would I get it because they lost both times, but one was in overtime.
It was in my early averaged 16 points down there for somebody.
So Toronto again? Yeah, they twice no quiet because hasn't changed its little beer of last season.
It's 12 and then it's everybody else where Toronto is within striking distance and pretty much always WAAS, technically better than last year.
The winning percentage wise point differential.
Everything like that.
They're off to a better start than they were last year.
Obviously, I don't think they have the same ceiling, but people don't talk about them, and I just think that's fascinating.
Yeah, I guess this is a good transition to what the next award is coach of the year and I don't mean to say that that's what I think is what it is.
If I couldn't pick Noser, which is why I think it would be Nick Nurse because they're supposed to be a lower D playoff team.
I think I had seven or eight and everyone's like, otherwise go out of dead and gone.
Take a step back.
Every person that has a lot of basketball would say that.
You take a superstar any team.
You got to be a little bit worse.
But they have that Toronto has from watching them as much as I have.
They have seven or eight guys that could get 20 points.
You just don't know it is.
It's like Russian roulette.
Stood the chamber and it's rather Hollis.
Jefferson gets 25.
Matt Thomas got model asteroid stops and gets 20 tonight where you get points in five minutes.
Who are these guys? Like what? Why are they all of a sudden so good? It is season where they're not still three lowering you guys there.
Um but for those guys that are new, jump in there and I'm gonna consider, um, moment, Pollen O G N O.
B has those new guys because they're still young and they haven't quite carved out a little.
And Ogi referred last year Norman Powell falling out of the rotation.
So now that they have stepped up, I think that is that.
That's what you get. Nick Nurse.
A chance that Coach of the Year.
That like, of course I'm not.
So I've been going to funerals just because he kept nothing changed.
I mean, they're they're on pace for 70 wins before the shutdown, and I think that's a good point.
And, Justicia point chance told probably top five, not top three, because Miami was Toronto from Nice Perspective, where they were in the fall of the standings is seven or eight and other sports and they had to potentially get to three they really want.
And I think they do want to.
Gets to the last time you guys.
So, yeah, I could go over the victors on up there.
Um, do you wanna go first game? Yeah, I know.
My men will be quick.
Martic is Nick Nurse.
I I like what he's done.
I think he's the best coach in the N B A right now, like I did, and that's what this award is like.
I think the way that he's raised this team up and it's not just him, it's the players to like they've been. They've been great.
Um, But like you, said Eric, for instance, the Raptors have people who can give you 25 at night.
They played the Timberwolves this year after we traded our whole team.
Kyle Lowry, 27 points, Pascal Siachen 34 points in Ogi and it only 25 points around the Hollis Jefferson 21 points.
That's all it Once you get feels right, it's one game.
Like what? So I I think he's smart.
They've like you, said they drastically improved the projected win total.
Um, and they stayed afloat while losing arguably the best player in the league.
So not really arguably, but like he's in the top three.
Like I just It's quick.
I think Nick nurses, you know, in all honesty like would be the best player leave.
If we saw a little bit more, I would put him in the regular season because he's had postings inoculates, that's all.
But it's not regular season where he's not constantly dominant, where we seen with LeBron, you see, with enormous received wrapped like they're always down and then collide.
This isn't area.
Well, by the way, he had a really rough script today.
Not that it matters, but that was not good.
Was one for 12/7 from three in the first half against the Kings.
I'm not gonna ready raise any red flags.
That's That's definitely a little bit of a question mark.
It's such a to the Clippers right now.
And they, Mrs guys, that might not be there right away.
We started the 1st 2 games.
They could lose that.
Saw that they're in.
Um, yes, about those guys aren't there right away.
And Colli struggles.
Let Paul George ****el like, legitimately relevant since 2014.
So that role, okay, in a local where angry.
Okay, so I've met that.
Yes, he's a great player, but he hasn't shown up when they need it the most.
Last year, Oklahoma City just couldn't go in the first round playoff series.
That's a little alarming.
So I hope that I like culture.
So I'm ragging on my get well, so But you get what I'm saying.
Like that was the Syriza took Miami to seven.
I agree with you that that's the last time he was a good number one option.
I'm not even like work were laughing, but like you're right.
But he's under impressed. Whatever.
I know that they were an eight seed or a seven seed in Indiana, but he was still.
He came up super short his last couple years in Indiana, and then he was Preeti unimpressive last year in the playoffs.
So I understand the criticism.
It didn't help that the LeBron in the first series that, like 2018 year, though, like when he was like, possibly the best version of LeBron in that first round series of the Eastern playoffs like that was 2018 15 6 70.
I think 17 it was only was with O.
K C one year number 62 because maybe you're right.
Time blends together for May.
Think guys like yeah, like it feels like the shutdown was Yeah, yeah, it was two seasons with Oklahoma City and he was dead at 28 points last season.
So what in the playoffs, he at every Klaus for game Waas well was 28 So that's rising Yeah, Still 28 granted future for 3 30%.
But, I mean, he's gonna be a high option using regardless of what we see here.
Like that's gonna be I don't want to say it's gonna falla gave him.
Um But it is these plus whatever they play after so crucial for somebody guys like, full of people, I think it's just the biggest question mark for Superstar.
What does the future gonna be like? Because Indiana is not that top tier contender that we thought there still good.
But are they victory? People gonna be there long term? We don't know that.
So I think this wasn't gonna play.
And now he is gonna play.
I think that was a good will cinema to see how it goes.
I didn't like the whole I'm not gonna play now.
Let's see how it goes and then step on the court.
But I just thought that was a little stupid, but I guess it's way all set with E.
I would just say I didn't say my mind's also Nick Mair's, um so because we all generally agreed, I do want to give shelves with one other guy.
No, I think Taylor Jenkins needs to be talked about.
And it's something I was gonna bring up with my Zion and John Grant.
Um, I think that has to be given as much credit as job for what? For what they become in the West.
Is that the way he's unlock? Because it's not just jaw, it's You see Brandon Clarke taking having a huge year.
You see Valence Souness having a very solid year for somebody who was kind of in and a little bit of an afterthought in Toronto.
I just think that the job that he has done for a team that you thought was going to be a 4 14 or 15 seed, while a lot of that is John Moran, the whole team has gotten better.
It's not just Jaw, and I think that Brandon Clarke to that's what I mean.
Yeah, it's just the job he has done with the roster.
We expected nothing from I think is really impressive.
I agree with the camp said.
I think at this point right now, Nick nurse looks like the best coach.
Um, I think Bob's absolutely on the list obviously.
I mean, you don't have a historic winning percentage in a historic, uh uh, scoring margin and not be on the list.
And I think Spoelstra, I think that rounds out the top four.
Pretty consistent. Pretty concisely.
I I know Chris isn't watching us, but me and him have argued about them about before.
Um, I mean, he's good, I guess.
I think that on one of that is like, I just think, a LeBron team with talent.
I mean, like, I know he didn't win any games last year, but like, so you like, he is definitely an upgrading coach over what they had last year.
But, like, I'm easy, I It's not a comparison, but if that I like Google in India, I think Vogel is a good coach, and I think you'll probably end up on the list because of in L. A biased, I think.
But honestly, I'd rather give it the Doc Rivers just because of the inconsistencies and who's available in the line.
I'm not just the load man spent, but like it just seems like every other day if someone has a nagging injury, that the fact that they're still right in contention here.
I usually don't like Dr.
I think he's done a really good job with this team, right, that's for sure.
And I think Mike Malone is another one that doesn't get enough recognition.
But again, there's a lot of good candidates.
And there's again.
This is one of the wards that it doesn't presage competition year after year.
Jenkins is absolutely outstanding choice.
That which I don't think it will, but no consideration should get enough votes to put in four times.
Maybe, um, if he gets lucky.
But yeah, that's a to get that stepped up from not having any pressure on them.
It's cause I didn't mention Ryan Saunders.
I guess this is just sick of that.
Maybe next you can, maybe way only 1 12 games this year.
And now we want 40 next case.
But all right, we'll move on because I have your teammates himself in the final straight edge.
Uh, so that's gonna be a slaughter again.
So we did both improve rookie of the year, sixth man of your coach of the year.
So we only got awards left.
We'll get to left.
So everything Yeah, that's OK, we're gonna, uh I want to hear your ticket because I'm biased with both of these.
Um, so yeah, go ahead and have a different opinion.
So I really wanted Teoh just not even because I wanted, like, not because I want to be contrarian, But I think that, like I I think especially with us, we do a better drop when we're arguing our sides.
Um, and I could try to argue aside for like, I think lebron had a great year.
I think you're honest, is the obvious answer.
Um, so I mean, he's my pick.
I'm not like, I mean, there's no reason to beat around the bush.
Honest is the pick to me, he was just because if we had done last week before I did my research, I would have probably said LeBron and made the argument that the West is tougher and is your honest that much better than he was last year? That Ah, uh, I just he's better than everybody else in every statistical category.
I as much of a LEBRON lover as I am, I mean, and he's probably my second favorite player of all time other than a piston please, my favorite non piston of all time.
Um I mean, you honest was just better than this year.
I think that if the season had played out without the stoppage, they would've had a chance for me to sell the narrative of LeBron just because if you understand, this time with the knee injury and the Lakers had surpassed him in win percentage, which looked like it was something that was possible, maybe then.
But like where I made the argument for the stoppage with Zion.
I can't make that argument here because I don't have the staff to back me up.
I mean, he's just statistically superior.
So yeah, the honest answer for me.
Yeah, they were getting moment.
And I think that six win on Friday night in L.
Yeah, that's gonna give you a step up.
You're gonna close the gap.
Remember what happens just because of how highly touted that game waas? And unfortunately, he didn't have enough do at that point.
And then there's not enough data to support that water.
Snow is not part of this phone, so yeah, obviously LeBron is still leads you to a 35 year old with him.
But, yeah, these things that we haven't seen, very many players do it, Um, but that's just not discredit.
What ya This is done in the tournament.
Um, it's just Yeah, you make the argument.
If you remove the player and the Lakers and what's worse off, then the Bucks are.
Yes, I understand that.
But we're talking about one of the most historically, well, Tyne Eunice being the Bucks in and how impressive they have been.
But I didn't write out.
It's just so it's not a contest.
Get my second vote and I don't think there's a really a clear cut third person in there.
This is a 12 days I don't know, because it's just a huge drop off that, um, Luca or hardened.
I guess I don't because, like, I just I don't see.
I don't think anyone else has made enough of an individual impact on a team to be third.
Like I think you mean Yeah, I think I just think his jump has taken them from an afterthought like afterthought team in the West to a potential like it could have been a succeed if the season.
I mean, it's so good.
They're only like like a couple games out of moving up in the standings.
So I think those two right there, I mean, obviously we talk a lot of trash on hard on this podcast.
He still extremely effective.
So I think he's always gonna be in this conversation as long as he continues to be like that.
Um, but I probably look 1/3.
I think that I mean, he's just awesome.
Um, I think anybody else would just be just to just to limited with this limited of a sample like Kawai didn't play enough.
Jimmy Butler is great, but like I don't he's not an M v P like he's not in the conversation with those other two players at the top of the league.
I tend to kind of push back when we do like the storyline M v p.
I didn't like when we gave it the rust because the average of triple double, because we probably will.
It was just dumb like I mean, if self he had ever it's like 99.
He wouldn't want it.
No, to me, Yeah, So I'm just like I'm always who, by the way I personally view this award is I will always vote for who I think the best player in the league was this year.
I don't care if that's what everybody else vote for.
That's how I vote for it.
And the best player was the artist.
So again, if I didn't have 1/3 party perspective, maybe I'm looking differently.
But it's, I think, the numbers just alone in quiet.
And maybe you look at every other season as talks like towards the end.
I think LeBron I would any other season just because it's what his attitude is.
It's a team that has been in the playoffs is forever for what it's worth.
Cam Road in his Internet's down, But he wanted to let us know that the honest is also his up.
His friend Bebe.
So he's on the same page.
I mean, I just didn't think it would really be different on that one, But you know, he's a Karl Anthony Towns guy very similar, with not necessarily don't.
It's all you honest.
Like that may not necessarily the game play let me finish, I said.
They're both young guys who are Nagase.
You could call records, but they are very leading what they do in town, saying this is obviously very different.
You look at them, they're both young guys and people come up.
So I think the general sports down is there.
I think the reciprocates for was trying to say so All right, last award and then get out of here is defensive player of the year.
So this is another one that I've always said I have never agree with who wins this award.
Yeah, maybe that's the profits of going to be disappointed because I think you're honest against when this award and again you see my biases.
That's that's my disclaimer is there's going to be buying you.
Look at how crazy these numbers are their best defensive team by far, and you have seven of the top 10 guys with us defence we have.
So yeah, well, over all the really good defensive team is the same.
Argument is best of the best team in the best defender on the best intensity and I think that should be in that last question is one of the craziest protection in a while.
For someone that is, you know, a bulky center.
It's a little on court, mated.
She's able to defend it at Ridiculous Room.
They settled for mid Rangers and contest.
So deflections on nos.
Yeah, well, you absolutely deserve consideration.
Almost argue you compare him to really compare he still more impactful room pretending to go bears and maybe that's not sure, but I have seen numbers do back that up so the honest might pick up Lopez is definitely in the top five.
Uh, yes, I will say the camp has the honest um So I I And again, this is another thing that, like I went in and did the research because it's always were doing Lord and I don't know why, because it shouldn't because it should make sense that if you could be the M v p.
You can also be the defensive player of the year.
But to me it's always been weird.
I mean, there's a reason why it's happened so infrequently that somebody has won both.
So I was like, Well, I think three times I don't remember that I remember seeing that has for no it's, I think the most recent time was in the eighties if I'm remembering correctly because I did try to do some research and I wrote down stuff about the current guys as opposed to reading about the done it before.
But, um, it's to me the only way you could make the argument that I think there's only one other person you could make the argument for and that's Anthony Davis.
And I think Anthony Davis is better at guarding the big guys. Fignon is's.
I think there's a reason why I know blocks Aaron in perfect Sattar everything like that.
But there's a reason why he's better in those regards.
He's better rim protection, everything like that.
He is more elite at guarding two positions, but the ground that you honest makes up guarding the other three positions outweighs the gap they have in the other two because the gap on fours and fives is not significant.
The gaps that you want, the gap the honest has guarding guarding the other three positions is so I wanted to come in to make the argument for Anthony Davis because I do think he's the only other candidate.
I mean we could make the jump that route to go bare shut down the whole league.
But, um, he he's like and he's great, obviously.
I mean, there's a reason why the Jazz air consistently a top defense, but they slid like 12th in defensive rating this year, and obviously that's not all on him.
They went for a more offensive focus system this year with the people that they brought in.
Uh, but yeah, I mean, so I think their overall team defense struggled so that that has lowered some of his overall impact because there's only so much he could make up for it.
I do think he's still lead, Um, but you're honest is just better against every position. I think.
I think being able to guard every position at an elite level, which he does, I think just kind of outweighs everybody.
Um, so, yeah, I really wanted to come in and argue with you because it's much more fun for me.
Don't let you just gloat over the bucks, but, um, way Yeah, I think I have like So I did that defense, all defensive teams and Brook Lopez made it for my second team.
All defense just But like, I mean, I think he's right there for me.
It's if you had told me he was first team and somebody else was second name.
I'm not really gonna argue with you because he has, I mean, because I didn't think I didn't realize that while since I don't watch them every night, I don't realize the steps that he's taking forward because when he was in Brooklyn and even in l.
To he was not a great defender.
But he's evolved in this team defense to become better individually.
Um, no, I just know it's gonna be a block or just getting laid all day.
Oh, there's no chance to get set in their necks.
Watson in the fifth row.
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It gets filed that goes in there, are baffled in yourself way that went in like this kind of stuff.
That's what makes him a real player and get some 35 feet out.
You like just thinking of guys that previously don't shoot three pointers, and now 75% of guys believe he's one of the few that still here and take a step back so you won't get sound about 1% of from like 35 36.
But it's still the threat of having to close out and having to spend so, but back to the defense, it's just his impacts on the floor General and going for his brother and Robin.
Robin is a little bit smaller things, but expanded.
It's just It's absurd, sir. Exactly.
It's just it's hard to describe because absolutely somebody times now where, like a district, you had three blocks in the 1st 2 minutes against Sacramento.
Yeah, regards playing and it's He's a threat that will never back down.
So I think you definitely should be up there and nothing.
A lot of people that don't watch the boxer Bill C top five finishes.
No, it's well, because here's that and I mean, you could appreciate this.
I don't think we've actually talked about this.
You mentioned before the air volleyball coach.
I played volleyball in high school the way whenever he was in Brooklyn, he was not a good defender.
It was kind of callous on Whiteside is in that He looked at a lot of them volleyball blocks where he come up and do the full approach and knocking out of the park.
But like it was like it was an empty stat in terms of infected three position possessions.
Whereas now he effects every possession and it's not even about the blocks he gets.
It's the fear that he puts in them that he's not just going for the highlight.
He is there to anchor everything.
So it's the past.
Is that go away? Well, he makes for mid range is that nobody wants you thinking like serious people settle for mid renders.
I try to think of people that do, and when they do, it's a really low percentage shot like you.
If you go too far blacked out, it's like a long to which wants taking more.
Yeah, because it's Howard efficient.
Yeah, I was my like you must pick it up, but it's just so fun to watch.
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