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Yeah, that's like a little bit Or, um, as we've been doing now, checking in on the MBA.
Of course, we've been touching on both teams that have been that are going to the bubble and are going to be in this process.
And that's about liars like the Chicago Bulls and what their expectations are.
Yeah, I wanted to, because now Draymond Green recently, he's starting his MBA on TNT show on a daily or nightly show that's gonna be going on with Charles Barkley and think Dwayne Wade as well.
And maybe another.
Another player there too.
So when asked, he said, I got another good six or seven years.
He feels like a playing career left before he worries about these other adventures that he may want to get into.
Um, let's just let's just start with how did you know that he was only 30 years old? That was my because when I heard my six or seven, I thought, Is he like 33? You know, premonitory 40.
That seems a lot, but not just 30.
I even think playing till 36 37.
I know he was decent, like his defensive numbers didn't really slipped that much.
If you look at, like rapture or player impact plus minus, which is like my have been using this a lot lately, Um, they Yeah, he didn't slip that much.
But like man, he better hope he stays of this Warriors team because I don't know how many teams can support his complete and utter lack of a three point shot that is like just gets worse and worse every year.
I don't know what it's gonna look like for, well, that's like So now you think it's a really weird year.
Um I had kind of, ah, hierarchy of topics, but I feel like it all very much ebbs and flows together.
They're gonna have a top five pick in the upcoming MBA draft.
Maybe the best draft class toe have it, but they still have an incredibly valuable asset for a team that, short of these injuries would have been in the playoffs this year.
Would I listen? Probably one of the top four seed in the Western Conference.
All things being equal.
Well, you mentioned it there, like Let's go here first.
The Big Three If you had to shed a large contract because you're gonna have the likes of Steph Curry, he's there.
He'll be making 45 nearly 46 million.
And then his contract's up.
Clay Thompson all the way through 23 24 along with Draymond Green, making 43 27 million, respectively.
If you're ditching one of these players, I feel like it's the obvious.
Answer is Draymond green, but that's the one that you'd look to shed if you need it to right And you're the Golden State Warriors.
Yeah, I mean, I think you would do that and then also, you'd want to do the ah the like, the pick that they have next year coming in from Minnesota.
So you can, because I think that will be a pretty high pick.
That should be somewhere.
I mean, somewhere in the hurry, I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs.
But if you have that and that warriors pick this year, yeah, I think that's a pretty interesting deal.
The issue is, I think that when they make that pick because it is not a great draft class, I think it will go down almost immediately.
Like no matter who they pick, like the allure of having a top five draft pick.
This is one of those years where the idea is more exciting than when you actually get it. It's weird.
I don't know if that makes sense, but it's like even if you get like a low Melo ball who I think has like the highest ceiling, Um, I don't know if that's like enticing to half the teams in the league.
I just don't know.
This is a quick side note.
The assumption is to like, Ah, Steph Curry is the golden boy of that team like he's the guy.
Yeah, you know he's going to stay there.
But Clay Thompson, at of the say those two players, even like Clay Thompson, is the most valuable player to that team.
Really right, because I mean, he you the true both and plays at both ends of the floor.
Has the perimeter shot can go inside as well, right? Like he actually is the most important piece to this team, having sustained success over next handful years.
Yeah, I would say they're like both equally important to each other, more so even than to the team.
Like they just I don't know if there's ever I would honestly argue there's never been a better the two guys that fit together better.
I really I don't know if you could think of one.
I mean, they both have their pronounced flaws in a way that maybe some other duos in the past don't.
Curry is obviously on the defensive end.
Clay just the ability to create.
I mean, he's improved at it, but he's not a creator, is not.
He shoots off, you know he likes to shoot off the catch.
That's that's what he does he consider board.
And Jill Harris? Yeah.
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I mean, for them, I think they're both equally important to each other.
I wouldn't break those guys up.
Um, until they're I don't know, in wheelchairs like I really those guys air essential for each other.
And so I want to I want to get awakens in his contract on what that looks like for Golden State.
And maybe there's an opportunity to package that with a pick I But I also don't know have insight.
Single Wiggins with that contract really is your instrument.
Oh, by Is it also that these guys seem to make that choice? You mentioned Kevin Durant The top about they you know, this is their core three, right? They did it before Kevin Durant.
I think they want to do it after if these guys all believe in one another.
And it seemed like curry and clay, they're never going to not back Draymond Green.
This is the ride.
This is the right.
You ever see a pull point? I mean, Draymond Green would be the first you think it was.
But I mean, at the very least, you're gonna have him for another four years.
He's gonna be actually 34 35 then need becomes decision time.
When all these guys were in their mid thirties and saying, Do we want to take a little bit of smaller deals and just keep ourselves together for the remainder of our careers? Or at some point, Clay is going to go somewhere else, right? And maybe become a defensive sharpshooter for a championship caliber team at all.
And is it all built around Steph Curry? And when he finishes his career, I really think it's gonna be those two.
They're gonna keep them both.
And Draymond is the one that I think is like a total wild card.
Um, like, you wouldn't when his productivity slows down to a point where it's like all the antics and everything that comes with Draymond become like a little bit of too much extra baggage.
I could see that happening almost instantaneously, like wooden cures everything.
So Draymond not always the easiest guy to deal with, I think we all know that at this point.
So when that scale tips a little too far, Yeah, I know they've been playing together forever, but again, it's just it's that's a a personality that to deal with all the time. It really is.
But I think those two, I don't know, I would be like, I can't believe I'm saying this and with today's league.
But I would be really shocked if they don't retire.
Charlotte Hornets Cup of Coffee, which feels like a 1,000,000 years ago that I don't know it's 22 because it's like some level of awareness, maybe from Draymond Green to say, I know I'm not going to be the I'm not gonna have the same value I did so that start to control my contract a little bit.
I can probably always have a place on this roster if I want it.
I know that probably a hard thing to do, because I'm sure there's points where Draymond Green felt like he was, and maybe arguably was as in struggle to them, winning as any of the pieces on that rock.
Um, you brief and I'll say not the same, but the way that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
You said the tandem, Which is the fact that Scottie Pippen was this locked down.
He could be a lock down defender for you.
He had the length, and the size could do things offensively.
Incompetent Michael Jordan like that.
It's a bad one, for one, like kind of comparison, but just the idea of it's like, Where am I not great stuff? Curry offensively and list.
I'm not big enough, really to be challenging going into the lane.
And that's good.
Okay, yeah, I could do that for you. If you want, I can pick up the defensive player.
So, um, you need that? You need that.
You need that balance in every single team.
And obviously I'll do an extra Nets reference.
That's what we're hoping with Kyrie and Katie, right? You want to see the complementary down there? Let's talk, Wiggins, Man, Uh, let's let's Let's the deal.
What's the deal with Wiggins? He's gonna be on the roster as it right now until 22 23 at which point he'll be making almost $34 million.
Um, if they want to retain these three players, if they want to be successful, can he Can he be a piece of this or this forever? Going to be the guy that's just never living up to the expectations? I think they're hoping at best you can become a Harrison Barnes.
And for that money, that's a really overpaid Harrison Barnes and Harrison Barnes has been overpaid his whole career.
So let's not forget that, Um, look, I mean, I will say this.
He was productive.
He's always been, you know, good for like a steel.
Maybe it's still in 1/2 a game.
His blocks went up in Golden State, which was really nice.
He had this little, a little bit of like, weak side presence, not weak side, but like that.
Ah, you don't like slamming him off the backboard.
He was kind of athleticism, enough soft eyes.
Teoh plays the three point shot is, like forever gonna be his downfall.
I think he shot around like they're 3% somewhere in that territory, which at certain points, it looks really good.
Other points when it's not falling, he's like **** near unplayable.
Still, a great cutter has always been a great cutter.
Um, you know, we saw it this year once again.
Their Nets reference very first game of the season for the Nets This year, there was a couple moments where he rose up over the top of Jared Allen, who? You don't see that old that often.
This guy's got unreal athleticism when he taps into it.
So I mean, I think he was largely the same player that he was in Minnesota compared to Golden State.
Yes, I think the defense of intensity was up a little bit.
And maybe that's just from having a simplified role instead of being expected to be, you know, a number two on off one, since I really don't think that's gonna be his role in the MBA whatsoever.
But even if everything goes perfect, he's that Harrison Barnes.
He's everything they could walk from that.
He's still overpaid, and I almost worry that because of the three point shot being a little variable, if they want to move off him, I'm a little worried.
It's gonna take a pic.
So that's what I'd be worried about is if you're going to trade him, you might have to trade a pick to get rid of him off your books and then trade a pick for whatever asset, assuming that you're going for something that fits a little bit better.
So your end up trading two picks with this guy to make money match, I don't know, a little worried about it well, and that's the curiosity of, say, it's in the top five pick, right? Is that enticing enough even in a down draft class to say We'll give you a top five asset, You'll take Wiggins in his contract over hands.
He still has value for a team.
And then we're looking back.
We're looking for Player X and return.
Probably You're probably overvaluing that player for sake of getting Wiggins off your roster, but in the Fits and Golden State, and that's maybe that's how you make it work.
But it's not like Wiggins in his issues.
Is something a secret, right? Like it's It's a very widely known thing.
So you have to then look to the lower end of the pool to find a team that would want to go that route, and only because we talked about the other day and just had a bad records.
Like, you know, the Chicago Bulls or the Hawks were really bad, but they have talent there, you know.
It's like, Do you look at one of those teams and try to say, Are you willing to take a chance on Wiggins for a couple of seasons here before his contract runs out and get what made you know? Iguodala Replacement.
That's what they need right now.
They might see like their their center rotation.
They could definitely use a shot blocker as well.
I mean, you could just use a little more talent period outside of the 23 guys that they have that make up their their top players, I guess.
But, uh but yeah, I mean, they could use an Iggy Replacement really bad cause right now, Wiggins just isn't big enough to guard some of the guys that you're going to see in the West.
Like you really, really want to have Andrew Wiggins guarding LeBron or Kawai or pulled George.
I wouldn't I sure what if e so I mean, but that's that layer deeper that you just said it.
Like when you look at their roster, you have young players there.
But do any of the young players here not even an Iggy replaced necessarily.
Do you have confidence in any of the young players that are currently on this roster? Or do you think that it has to be over the next couple of years that you bring in enough youth and enough talented youth that can develop to? And this really speaks to longevity? Like, how are you going to thread this needle of the back ends of clay and Steph and Draymond even these contracts for right now and then knowing that you're going to be able to replace them and continue to be successful, especially the Western Conference, Right? Yeah.
So I think Chris is an interesting piece.
I think they want to retain him.
He was He looked good for them.
Like he was just good.
He's a, uh, really strong, um you know, alley oop threat.
The decent defender.
This year, he actually had a little bit of passing finesse that he was doing toward the end.
I think I saw that on Twitter a couple of days ago.
That's a little bit of ah, got a little bit of touch on his tacit.
I would also say Erich Pascal has been nice for them.
Just a really good offensive boost.
Now you have to be.
You sort of have to wonder a little bit what that's gonna look like next year.
Is this just a guy that scoring a lot of points on a really bad team or see somebody that can fitted? I mean, they can use they could use it.
Look, I know they have, you know, clay and step, but outside of that, they could use a little bit of a bench presence.
Can he be? There are? Oh, I'm just throwing this up.
But, like there, Rodney Hood or somebody like that shirt, it's not the best comparison, but gave you that instant offense that Rodney Hood gave the Blazers last year.
So So that's the two guys I would look at everybody else.
I mean, I don't know, but that, But that's and so that's the That's the issue for them, like an issue quote unquote, cause it gets two parts.
Where would this team have been? I said, you know, fourth in the West, probably a worst if they had all been healthy this year, and that's just saying maybe you're playing a tougher schedule with the L a zoo and everybody.
I haven't listened.
Even the Houston Rockets playing their small ball, whatever.
But if you're a four seed this year, healthy ah, will they just go back out there and say, OK, we got a couple of pieces we think we like on this roster.
We are a little bit thin is for his young talent, but we can ride their young contracts for at least two years before there's real concern.
Me, they don't have to.
Technically, don't worry about anything for probably two years, right? Yeah.
I mean, I think that they They're tricky, though, because I do feel like they their window if they want to continue this is going to be this year, this upcoming year and the year after that.
Like, as greatest step in clay are, I think that they're trying to extend that a little bit.
I don't think they want to just be like, OK, well, I think we're done winning titles like their competitive.
I mean so much. Thanks.
So So they're interesting.
They're kind of in that mix of teams that I think is gonna be looking to win.
Now, you have your honest in the books there, obviously trying to win to keep him around the Clippers.
Because those guys come off the books in 2021 LeBron on an a d.
Just because LeBron is getting up their age the Nets with Kyrie and Katie, which who knows how long that window last.
So there's all these teams they're looking to win now.
I can even throw Houston in there if I wanted to.
Um and I think Golden State's gonna be in that mix because they have these two guys.
So the money is a little bit crazy right now, but if they begins and get somebody in or maybe just one of those or both of those guys, um, if they could make that happen, I do think they're going to do it.
That this is this is the time to do it.
And if it doesn't work, whatever rebuild.
Look, I like to do this, no matter what.
Any time, any time that any team anywhere.
I didn't like what other people did this.
First, I just enjoy the conversation.
Um, when they throughout Miami about clear, you know, clearing their books and bring it in.
Bring it, Bring it Johannes and older Depot into the fold.
Listen, while you just clear Draymond clear Wiggins and then just make a run it at Ah John issue no less afraid like like 20 picks.
You could just go full full, Houston and just be like, here.
Take 10 million picks like you could do that team.
Just don't I don't know one that became a thing again.
You think everybody would have, You know, Billy Kingston trophy and deal worried is all about that, but ah, but no, it seems, don't care.
They're just gonna trade everything.
It's so I guess that's the new move, but I don't know.
So if they wanted to, they could do that.
Yeah, it's Yeah, it's weird.
It's where it's weird that teams is like It's like that's like nets.
Just you know, what is that? PTSD syndrome? Good lord, like stop.
Stop taking on bloated contract, giving up every asset you've ever had.
It's only gonna hurt you for 45 years, so that'll be interesting.
The last thing I guess is you and I have talked about Steve Kerr before, but he is he entrenched there like well, he ride this this wave out of Steph Curry and Clay, and then at least get the will he get the Popovich treatment of Yeah, you can have years where you go two years and urinate seats scraping to get in.
But you know that the town level's gonna Evan flow can can he and can Golden State stay relevant? Or is Golden State's legacy really built around these three players and what they accomplished during their careers? And then do they may be, fade into the background off L.
A Lakers L. A Clippers.
As far as you know, the hierarchy of California, the hierarchy of the MBA.
That's a really good question.
Let me filibuster for once again.
How old is he? How this Cooper? So he would be.
You'd be looking at a lot easier math about when his player and where we are.
It's that I want.
Yeah, 20 years 50 four isn't bad, right? Like I mean, I always worry about him.
The back issues like that's just like some that I really keep it on.
I don't know that's here nor there, but, um, so I hope you want your around a big sort of a season when you miss time the way they did.
Yeah, Yeah, I would always I always kind of keep an eye on that back.
Problems are not easy to deal with.
Um, you just never really seem to go away.
But it s so let's say he coaches until he's 70.
Let's capita 17 16 years.
Do you think that he can? He can ride out 16 years with the Gold and State Warriors.
So that means you're right.
Take take Steph Curry them insular 40.
That's only gonna get you midway through.
That's gonna get you eight years down the road.
Does he have what? We have another 878 years with this team knowing that they're the turnover talent.
I mean, I would hope they would keep him around, but then again, did we expect the spurs to turn into the DEMAR DeRozan LaMarcus Aldridge? Uh, not playing their young guys ever.
Patty Mills playing 30 minutes a game, Uh, who I like, But I mean, they they just have Eventually you win so much that kind of clouds.
I feel like your perspective of where you are as a team.
Um, and the Spurs never really dipped.
They got lucky with Kwai.
I mean, co, I just broke out right when they really would have hit the decline, and that kept them kind of been in.
They just never really had an opportunity where they had to sink to the bottom.
So with Golden State, I don't know what that looks like.
They hang on for too long.
Do they figure out Hey, let's try to retool.
Um, they're they're in a tricky spot.
I would have I would probably say, Yeah, I think they'll try to keep her around for a long as Curry and Claire there.
But you never know.
Crazier things have happened.
Who knows? Maybe they move on from him.
Bring Mark Jackson back because it turns out Mark Jackson and Steph Curry or close.
I don't know, because I know they loved him when they fired him.
I'm ready for anything.
The NBA's crazy.
There's no way to predict, so I don't know it.
Well, you know it's funny, too, because you wonder if you're Steve Kerr, right? Like, Oh, yeah, Well, I'm not going anywhere if I have.
If I have Clay and I have curry and if I have Draymond Green, you know, great.
But if five years from now you know Steph Curry is slow down and that he claims that the same guy you go Well, maybe I wouldn't mind looking around the league because our whenever, if you were ever to leave there, he will be one of the most pursuit had coaches.
Everyone is going to look at him and say, Oh, of course, we want to bring this guy in And I highly doubt that he would go toe, go to young team.
He's going to go to a ready to win team and go a great You got whatever.
Let's see where ah Durant is at that point of his career.
Let's see where, um well, I was maybe, like, I seem like Miami, actually.
You know, whatever palette There you go.
That would die on Happy's.
Let me go ahead, go down there and talk about legacy building.
For a franchise that needs to be good to be good, you don't mean they have to be playing well to sustain their franchise.
That would be just an epic combination.
My brain just just like a little thought bubble right there.
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Ah, emotion offense where these guys were running off screens.
You have anger from coming off screens like Katie.
That's sweet, man.
I hope that happens now.
I just talked myself into it.
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Listen, we We'll get out of here on on that bombshell as we like.
Just like to do that out here.
It will be interesting.
I think that Golden State become Yeah, that's our thing.
Right? Um, it is 20th day, 22 minutes, and we'll be like, Hey, Chris, Paul on the sons.
You know what? Yeah.
Don't worry about my clothing.
Same was gonna be I do like that. That is our method.
By the time we finish the it was like, you know what I was thinking That we say it were like, Well, that is interesting friends.
I couldn't I couldn't possibly I couldn't possibly flesh that out.
They aren't exciting, you know, like Golden State.
And there, there, the back nine for these guys is going to be really interesting because there is there is legacy building here for those three core players and an for Steve Kerr like this is about cementing what your nb a legacy is over the next 34 seasons.
So how all those things being considered, it will be really interesting to see where they go.
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