All things N b a How are we this final day, fellas? I think that Matt Brooks is taking it easy.
Yeah, I it good.
It feels like I'm back, though.
My goodness, I don't know.
It's it's going pretty busy week, Uh, the calendar.
And I was like, Oh, man, there's a beverage on Wednesday.
Like, I got to get a lot done between now and then.
So So So it deals were back, which is a good thing.
Um, but I'm good. Otherwise.
Trying to get out there, enjoy the outdoors a little bit, you know, trying on some walks, get some sunshine because I know how to be spent a lot of time indoors a lot this morning.
Have you guys? Yeah, this is it.
This is the last of the days without live sports.
This is the last of the days before the games count.
Just kind of planning, preparing and getting ready for it.
This is something we've never seen.
This is history.
Um, just trying to be ready for it.
Just trying to be as prepared as I could be for whatever is to come.
And it feels good.
It feels like there's meaning.
It feels like there's value.
And like we're getting back to some normalcy and what we all love and you know all we do here online, that's all I want, man.
A little taste of normalcy so that as we ah, ramping back up this week and start to look forward to these scrimmages, that will be starting soon.
Ah, we think about some of these teams have been doing these reviews, knocking out teams left, right and center Ah, out there in the West Man.
A team that sneaks in to the inclusion of the bubble is the Phoenix Suns, obviously a young team.
They played four and six over the last 10 games.
Part of the shutdown put seven and 13 over their final 20 games.
So a little bit of a weird team here because, you know, below 500 obviously.
But young talent, Where do we stand on this team just on its surface? All things considered.
Don't worry about injuries and pandemic and positive test and all that stuff.
How would you feel about this team prior to the shutdown? We'll start with.
I kind of like him like I don't I don't know what the ceiling is for them, It cut.
All depends on the guy who I think we're gonna be talking about quite a bit.
Not not Devin Booker.
Although I do think we'll spend some time on him, but, uh, DeAndre and but I like their pieces like they got some really interesting three Andy players.
Cam Johnson, Uh, I think was a better defender than most people expect that.
I think I thought that was gonna be a total net loss this year, and he wasn't terrible.
Has got decent length on the quickest guy, but, um, outside of that Kelly, you bray me call Bridges, who was one of my favorite role guys, period.
I just think he's awesome.
And I think he's gonna be a very, very interesting perimeter threat.
And, you know, they're they're kind of running it from there.
They have Ricky Rubio Point, who I love just because of my my t wolves roots eso I have a little bit of love for ah, for Ricky Rubio.
But outside of that, yeah.
I mean, it's all kind of what happens with DeAndre eating and how he pops.
It'll sort of take them over the top, you know, and I know there's some stuff going on about book or not being thrilled with the sons.
I feel like there's a weird year to not be thrilled with them, like this is the one year where they kind of really had it together.
I think they're kind of an interesting team to keep an eye on.
Now it all becomes an issue of a What is 18 look like is the number two and B.
I'd even say, What is Devin Booker looked like is the number one so right? That is an interesting part and feel it feels like we have this theme right about who teams number one is and that is that a good or a bad thing.
And is the price tag for that number one quote unquote worth it if they were, Ah, said seven and 13 over the last 20.
But that put them at a 19 and 26 25 kind of clip there.
Before that, Were you more X more or less excited about this team from afar early in the season, and did you expect it to make it work out more kinks as they moved along? Yeah, as, Ah Nets fan.
I don't know if you guys remember when we went on that first West Coast trip to play Phoenix, and they kind of bullied us.
Aaron Baynes was hitting shots against.
They just look like a better team.
We were just outmatched, and I'm pretty sure they didn't have a And But like Uber, he was doing this thing.
You know, these guys like Ricky Rubio were having their way with the Nets team, then fast forward to later in the year they come to the Barclay Center.
I was actually at that game, and I was joking, saying, You know, the Nets always give up there.
You know, guys have their highest point total against the Nets.
The Nets always give up the highest scoring game, whether it be to Brandon Ingram or Marquel Folds are you know, guys like that.
Devante Graham did it against us this year.
I think Ben Simmons to they did nothing against us in Brooklyn late in the season.
They were nowhere to be found.
Devin Booker had a terrible game, and they went on some weird kind of slide where looking at where they're going now.
I'm not so sure These guys even want to be playing in the But I don't think that their one of their one of the teams that is there because they have to be there.
They've been invited, But I don't look to see these guys compete in the bubble.
And then when you look at their schedule coming up, you know they have games that they should be able to win.
They start off Friday, July 31st with Wizards.
I don't expect them to beat Dallas or L. A.
Maybe they can tango with Indiana.
Ah, the Heat, the thunder, the Sixers, Dallas Like they have a couple of games in there.
I think they could win two games, but like they're not gonna.
There's no way, in my opinion, they're gonna make the top eight in the West.
So it's like they're there and they know that they're gonna be, you know, in and out.
And if anything, that should be for them.
So, like, I guess, see who they have.
See how guys stack up, see what guys mentalities are.
But I wouldn't bet a dollar on the sons.
I don't even really put them in the picture.
They're gonna be out just as quick as they got it.
Not unlike the San Antonio Spurs, right? For different reasons, their arm or veteran heavy team, your just like. Okay, you're there.
T finish this thing out.
I don't think it was expected.
Like watch out for the Spurs in this restart, at least for my perspective, Matt Real quick on on the Orlando side of things low.
Expectations for the Sun's relatively speaking is, We don't want to belabor this.
I think it's like he says, This is we need an extra team.
You are that extra team.
Yep, I don't have anything that I'll be honest.
The only thing that is, uh, that was the Sun's Netscape knows the Carousel Overt game has a total Nets aside.
Or he really showed out against Booker as a defender.
Definitely not the point of this stream.
But I have been sitting on that idea.
I think caress, caress, His season high for points was 29.
I think he either matched it right that game or broke it, but that's where he started coming on late in the I guess, mid season before the shutdown.
Yeah, it's interesting.
We think about flows of other teams and how it helps, like a caress delivered unlocked, just cause the pace of the game playing in style of the game dictates that you just kind of woken up a little bit.
But not too late for any Nets boys here for the Phoenix Suns that I listen to the sound that way myself.
I'm sorry, Almost Derails went when she started talking about how they know I'm like, Well, you know, it's true about the Nets, all the bigs from with that, But they're not just going to be a problem.
Uh, but we digress on the Phoenix on side of things we think about beyond this bubble.
Monty Williams, five years as the assistant coach there in the Portland Trail Blazers.
So have a nice stint there? Well, more than a cup of coffee in the MBA played for in 65 games.
What with the do you have a take away on him and his first season? This is a team of at least trending in the right direction from a winds perspective, but do you think that he is a long term coach there for them? Or is this the Let's see how we go over the next few years and decide if we need someone else Keep him stopped running through coaches.
This is why young.
This is why bad teams stay bad because they're, you know, reshuffling the deck every single year with a new coach.
You have these young players that are learning a different system every year.
There's playbooks that are different.
He's I think he had a good year, and he's shown that he is capable of at least.
I mean, they started off really hot this year.
I mean, there was a time not too long ago when they were in the playoff hunt.
So clearly there's something there.
Yeah, I mean, they were, like, in it in it for a little while, But, you know, I mean again, like, what's the upside or you gonna just fire him and hire a I don't know, a Mark Jackson or somebody like that, Like just keep I.
I think he's a good coach.
It seems like the players really like him.
So the upside versus the downside, I don't really think makes a difference either way.
Um, and sometimes just having a little normalcy isn't the worst thing for a young scene.
I think you need a consistent coach, somebody to be the like leader figurehead.
And I hate how in the n b A we judge these coaches off of a year, two years? It's like they need at least two years for their system to develop for their relationships to develop for these players, to trust them for them, like, developed these bonds.
So if you're building something, don't quit on the building in the 1st 12 years of production, let these guys figure it out.
And you know you're keeping dead Devin Booker A in like, have a coach that they can confide in.
And they know, like, this guy won't be out of here in a couple weeks.
Like, Look at the Bucks And the Warriors like the bucks with Bud, They win like 60 games and was like, Wow, that seems like there's no way they're gonna replicate that.
Oh, no, they're They're actually better the next year.
Same thing with warriors after year.
They go, you know, they win the title, and then they win 73 games like it takes a year for some of these things even set in.
Especially if it's a little more philosophical.
The same thing with Kenny Atkinson.
You give them that extra year once you sign a suit.
Listen, the bottom line is I'm gonna put it right.
You're right, because I don't know.
You don't know what's gonna happen.
Like, how is a player going to develop? How is he gonna you know his book? You're gonna develop their His game is eight.
We're gonna get to eat here in second.
Like how does he evolved as a player? How does the head coach identify certain traits or attributes and say, Oh, I could accentuate the use by making some tweaks.
You bring in a new head coach, he's gonna go.
All right, let's start clean slate.
Let me assess where everyone's at and see if I could maybe waste a year or two of some young town.
So I really don't think that I don't think there is that much of an upside moving on from in any time soon.
So why not just see would get with a on the roster side of things.
We heard from some teammates down in the bubble that Eaten is apparently working on some of his more.
I'll say non center related attributes and looks like he's getting a little bit stronger in some of those areas, which could either be a positive or a negative for the steam, depending on how you feel about that player.
I think you have some pretty strong feelings on 18.
But when we look at this team overall, they maxed out the maxed out Booker. There.
He's on the books until 23 24.
Rubio the veteran, 2122 comparables 18 million.
You got 12 million invested in eight and all the way through 2122 as well.
Outside of that, you have a lot of young talent that's relatively small.
As far as on the books Chiefs are with you.
How do you feel about eight? And how do you feel about this roster? Where does the money need to get dedicated beyond saying, moving on? Maybe from Ricky Rubio in the next year or two? This guy was a topic.
The franchise he should be looked at as a star.
I know they have Booker maxed, and he's been out here for a while.
We know what book is.
We know what his game is.
We know what he could do if a team is trying to develop and, um, you know, extend his game and his reach from just being in the paint and being dominant around the basket.
Let's see if he can shoot.
Let's see if you can build out a little bit more like Karl Anthony towns like Joel and be.
You know, these guys are monsters.
They're seven footers.
But if they can add that little element of a shot, they can add it a couple other tools to their belt.
Then you know that that's how they become superstars.
And you want him to complement Devin Booker because the better that he gets right, the more range he has, the more open looks and things they're gonna create for Devin Booker and then even the guys around them.
When we talk about Aaron Baynes, Kelly, you bray Ricky Rubio, whoever else might join this team it the more the more tools that eight and has the more complete player that their superstar is, the more opportunities gonna open up for everyone else around.
Where do you land on that math? The idea that because they're saying that him developing these other kind of skills could you to be a positive or if you go on the side of some think that he thought strong enough down in the post and doesn't use his physicality enough.
But that notion about what that position is supposed to date.
But I think this guy wants to be LaMarcus Aldridge so bad.
And I'm like, You are so supremely athletic.
Host up, Please post up.
You're, like, incredible with both hands.
Why are you shooting fade away? 20 foot? I don't understand.
Not even 20 footers.
He takes like 15 footers.
I'm fine with that shot.
If you got in your ****nal.
But you're supremely athletic.
You should be used as a role man a little bit more, cause Devin Booker has become a really nice passer.
Be post up a little bit.
It's all right, like the league going bigger guys are posting up again.
LeBron had one of his best seasons ever because he was a post up threat.
I mean, really, I'm being honest.
So if he wants to extend his range to three, that's awesome.
But at the same time, I'm like, don't be afraid to get down there.
Um, I personally wouldn't allocate a ton of money.
I know that they've invested a number one pick in him for what he is right now.
I probably I mean, there gonna be forced to because it's a small market team.
And when his extension comes up, he's gonna get it.
But I wouldn't give him, you know, crazy Max money.
I just I don't know unless you're, you know, like a you know, one of these top top centers.
I don't really know if that's worth a max contract.
What do you think, though? Because the idea of say, he doesn't develop the outside shot because I feel like especially for bait, it's really one of the other.
Either you're gonna continue to get better down in the low block or you're making active choice about the perimeter shot, and it's gonna become something the balance between the two you think about, let's say, a Brook Lopez in Milwaukee prior to him, developing that shot from three point.
We all love them on the Nets.
Nobody looked at him as a terribly dangerous player as something you rely on him for some of the easy stat lines.
Getting rebounds on both ends because of his size, now eight and clearly a far more athletic player than Brook Lopez.
But do you worry about that at all about if you focus so heavily on that, that then you become somewhat a you know, ah, known quantity for other teams.
Like All right, we'll worry about him in the low post.
He's gonna get points there.
And now it's going to you about those perimeter shooters for Phoenix and defending against that.
Um, well, I don't know.
OK, so here's the thing.
I'm just looking up numbers 68% free throw shooter, which, like, isn't great.
And I would assume that's not a great sign for things to translate outside.
So in a way, I'm like Why, like unless you're I mean Brook Lopez.
The thing that's great about him is he's done it in years past.
So even though he's having a down year from three, you still have to defend him because you're worried.
Well, maybe he was just in a year long slump, and they're still defending him.
If DeAndre 18 comes out and he misses his first well, three guys, we're just gonna leave him there.
There's no pedigree, no track record of him making freeze now.
Conversely, he's a great rebounder.
He's averaging, what, 12 boards a game.
So, yes, it doesn't seem conducive with how the game is played now.
But if he's not making threes, there's no point in sticking him at the top of the key and having him sit there, thrown down there and see what he could do.
Let him get some offensive wards.
Let him be like a you know, let him be.
Oh, Jordan, DeAndre.
You could even do like Andre Drum it like he could be a little bit.
But Andre Drummond, which like, hey, that's probably not what you want. Teoh.
Number one pick as but sal***e it because he's not gonna be useful if he's just sitting there shooting 25% from three.
It's just realistically, guys, they're gonna leave them open.
But you know, it's interesting and could be really interesting to see how he developed Keith.
If we look at this team, we say as Matt brought up right? Is Booker is booking your number one.
If he is your number one, Do you want it to be your number two? Where else do you? You look at anybody else on this roster and say, Boy, here's a valuable piece that's probably worth thinking about as maybe our once you punch and then eight and could arguably stay as that rim runner kind of guy.
Low post presence, not worrying about the outside shoot.
I mean, if we're looking at duos Tandem, I guess his Booker and and Kelly you bray, I don't know.
I think they probably want.
They want it to be Booker and A.
And and even if it is, Booker taking way more of the shots.
Um, other than that on this team, it's like Ricky Rubio, Aaron Baynes, Bridges like I think right now, as currently constructed, ITT's Booker and, um, this guy had a 25 game suspension that kind of probably threw off his second year.
There's still a lot to be seen with them.
I think it's Booker and eight and as the 12 punch duo for the Phoenix Suns.
As we have the fast forward into past this past this bubble and free agency, what moves, if anything, are there? Are there some lower level, Maybe some veteran guys that you think would be nice to complement this young roster and help them to? The idea is to we're gonna get this well is like, What is the prospects for this team going forward right there, Fairly low on the totem, even though they're in this bubble playoff opportunity, what are they gonna need to do in free agency to get beyond the Spurs and to get into those conversations with the seventh in the A C c.
Maybe see? And I don't think the thunder are gonna come back that much to reality.
But you got to be winning 40 to 45 games to be competitive in the West.
What can they accomplish potentially in the offseason? Do that means funny enough.
You mentioned the thunder.
Could you Could you swing a deal for, like, CP three? He really wanted to.
I don't underst thinking under spitballing stuff like, if you upgrade that Rubio spot that does take them a level higher.
That's a sick backcourt beat between him and Booker.
Now, I don't know if you want to put that.
That's a lot of money on the books, and it gets complicated.
But the thing for them is like this isn't a great free agent class in terms of stars.
Yeah, there's a lot of roll guys, but I think they already have their role.
Guys, in a way, like you got to just I mean, if anything, like if you bring in another three and D guy that actually might hurt somebody like a new Bray or me call Bridges like you don't want to bring too many people into the picture.
There's much of backup centers on the market.
They probably won't make too much.
So the only spot for me that really needs any upgrading, if at all, is Ricky Rubio spot.
If so, if you can swing some type of a deal for that, that's kind of interesting to me.
Um, I'm actually pretty optimistic, and I know I expressed some skepticism in this at the beginning of the of the broadcast, but I kind of like Devin Booker as the number one option.
I think he's a lot better than people realize.
He's proved a lot of things to me.
I wish he was a little bit better of a three point shooter.
But if you put him next to the right guy like, hey, I mean CP three Um, that's kind of interesting for me.
Well and relatively speaking, like if you talk about something that deal there.
Rubio making 17.
18 million, even though the number for CP three is pretty big.
If you could swap those contracts, then you're getting on track, neither with Local 12 But then you're talking about being like reasonable at 25 million for, you know, for CP three.
But I think that maybe the added benefit their that is two.
You can look at CP three the back into his career next to Booker and say, Let's look at this for two years, two seasons, and if it doesn't work out, we could be dumping 75 million off our books in a couple of years with both those players if we think it's time to rebuild and see how it develops or some of these other pieces.
But you're I think I think the role players were there.
Now it's about if you have the true top two or three guys on your roster to carry that right and I could see CP three being great for a Sorry to cut in there real quick, but that could really, really, really, really take it stealing up.
I was going to say, Do we think guys want to go there like the West the way the way the West is set of? Do we think guys want to go to Phoenix or do we think they have to build with what they have? I don't think they're gonna be able to track that many guys to go there.
Um, Booker's the number one we know.
He wants to be the number one.
He wants to be an All Star games.
He got snow that something to say about it, Like I think they pretty much have there squad for the near future.
I don't really see any big free agents decided that they want to go play in Phoenix after this.
How that would be why they'd swing it right, cause if they're worried about him, I mean, there's the incessant towns.
D'Angelo, Russell rumors that never seems to stop.
Like if you're a little bit worried about that, I almost feel like I don't I wouldn't say a panic move.
But, man, you got to show him that you're committed to winning.
So I would be mindful something I'd be mindful of.
So what trade would be a way to do that? The players really like living in Phoenix.
Like I've heard pretty good things about that.
Uh, what about what about what about a van fleet in free agency.
What about, um I don't hate that at all.
And then you could you keep you, have you move Rubio and they Ah, and the Raptors re sign Gasol.
You could have like Team Spain there.
Yeah, but there you go.
Yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be interesting because it feels like what you need is, like, quantifiable.
Just to know whether it's a CP three of an fleet.
I think he has his track record now just to know, I just need to know what I'm going to get from this guy and not that Rubio And you know, you get from Rubio is just about we could use a little more than then what Rubio is able to give us.
So it will be interesting to see, unfortunately, out there in the West, I can see this team improving in the off season.
I could see Booker playing better.
I could see eight and playing better.
I could see the role players playing better and then still being 1/10 or 11th seeded, you know, 29 wins right now.
They had maybe about 20 more games to play, you know, 38 35 win team.
You want to say, You know, you gotta move that needle 10 games to really be Ah, threat 45 wins.
You're right in the mix of it in the Western Conference.
But again, the thunder are falling off the face of the earth.
The Spurs, you anticipate at least retooling get better.
The pelicans are going to be a better team.
So you're still talking about a very, very crowded Western conference where, as I said on here before we started, put them in the East and I feel like there are really exciting team going into next year and you go, Wow, let's talk about them being a seven c fighting, maybe toe chase the Pacers for a 60 kind of opportunity.
Cold, Agree, Totally agree.
I think that I mean, I think they're in a there, there in a perilous spot.
They're like, they're kind of them the Timberwolves.
All these teams are like, you feel like there.
Probably a move away.
And Ah, but I mean, the thing that's funny about the West is that you have all these forever.
It's been like the better conference, and it seemed like the power was going to the East, and it's like, No, actually, Mitt, this is now got John Moran into in Triple J, and New Orleans has got his eye on, and it's like It never is gonna end.
May look a little bad for Phoenix is.
And how bad is it that this is a bad draft class? So even the bad Eastern Conference teams aren't necessarily gonna be like, But now we got the next day.
I honestly think now we got that guy that we may not resign to a second contract, so think we'll get out of here on is that we talked about your Chicago recently and I said it to keep before we got on here.
There's just the idea of young team.
A lot, A lot of part there in Chicago.
Zero confident about what? They could be going forward.
Phoenix Young teams.
So many young teams around the league.
You go men exciting.
Can't wait to see what they dio at.
At least if you're Phoenix, it feels like you're on the right side of that as opposed to being in the Chicago.
But where you go young, A lot of assets.
Not so sure it's gonna pan over the next five years.
Yeah, this is what I think.
I think when I make breaking likes guys, you can assess the way that Adam's been comparison.
Comparison with the Bulls and the sons was great.
Adam's been to on it today.
I'm just sitting here like, Yeah, we're in echo chamber.
So I got I gotta listen.
Take off at least 10 minutes for my research before we start the broadcast.
Leave myself a little bit of room for the guys.
Listen, we did it.
That'll do it for us here.
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