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Forecaster News where we're talking, all things NBA. I'm Adam.
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Are Brecht in the center square is keep McPherson.
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Now they're on the right hand.
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Side is map book salary, fellas.
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Good, good, good.
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Pardoning it up.
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How's it going? Living right.
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Ah, so as we've been doing covering.
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So the MBA bubble and the teams that are going to be a part of it before we dive in a I don't know, bubble, non pulled elite eight. There's a lot of love.
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The things around really hear the Chicago Bulls is we're going to touch on.
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But before we get in on that man, scrimmage starts this week for these MBA teams.
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They got a handful of those before we get into the game.
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Research.
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What the what? The expectations for these criminals that we back the real live coverage on some local and national networks.
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You know, when you see those instagram videos of, like, lifetime Fitness and it's got like so the guy like this random like random guys mixed in, I think it's just gonna look like a pickup. Basketball.
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It's gonna look like scrimmages.
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I'm sure they have their jerseys on.
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This will be the first time we'll get to see these ballroom courts, but I just don't think it's gonna be what MBA fans are expecting.
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Obviously, there's no fans in the stands, and I don't think we can take it too seriously.
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I think these are gonna be, you know, straight up test runs.
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They're gonna be, um, exhibitions That don't matter where.
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We're gonna try and run different sets, put different guys together, not just the nets.
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I'm all of these teams, and some of these teams are gonna be a missing players from the virus.
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And then also, these teams are gonna have guys rest like I don't expect LeBron and a d to be getting 40 minutes in.
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Ah, the first scrimmage.
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You know what I'm saying, right? Do you think, Matt, that, um, the first thing I thought of was like, when they do the All American your high school basketball games and or the scouting runs that they started to do some times where it's people commentating, quote unquote.
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But it's really just like a conversation around basketball.
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Is that more of the expectation you think about how they're going to approach discussing these scrimmages? Because I don't I just don't see a high value in some of the players that you're going to be talking about, right? I've been Look, I'm having an internal struggle with how long? So so what I'm supposed to do with these? Like, what am I supposed to do with some of this? I don't know.
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I mean, I guess I don't know.
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I kind of I think I'm honestly, we're doing more excited to watch other teams, like, not watch the Nets.
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Because the Nets, I'm gonna feel like, Oh, I need to have a take away.
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Like Go look, look, it's out on Moussa.
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He's got 19 points in the first half, which is like, but I think with other teams, I'm actually gonna be kind of excited because it will be like, Oh, I haven't actually watched the books and three months, um, wonder if this is gonna be indicative anything.
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So in a way, I'm excited for that, but I don't have. It's on a takeaways.
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I don't know who is gonna be out there.
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We might have Brian Egan out there.
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Our guy was on a vacation.
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Could be flashing on the court.
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All of a sudden they'll say Igen, Igen from deep here, you guys, even in my hair, so eso So the bar is being set relatively low.
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We'll put it that way as far as what we want from the scrimmages now, while the bubble starts to get organized and underway in Orlando, we said before we got on the air here.
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Do you guys remember when the NBA's just kind of floated a very loose news briefing about how they were looking to start a second bubble in Chicago? Is that in anyone's by? Because that doesn't seem to have really had a lot in the news cycle.
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It seems like they're still working towards it and coming to an end created.
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But it was like flag second bubble coming, said Sanders.
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Chicago.
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Watch out and then radio silence across the board.
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It reminded me when they did the pot smoke album cover and they were just like, Oh, this is terrible And then they scrapped it.
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I'm hoping that's what happened.
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I think I'm hoping happened.
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I think it was for clicks.
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I think it was the media thing.
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One of the first things we found out was out of those eight teams.
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The New York Knicks didn't even get on the call about it.
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So if the Knicks didn't take you seriously, how come we his fans take it serious? It got some clicks.
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There was some articles written about it.
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You know, these bloggers got to make money to these writers, got to make money to, and it was good for maybe a week.
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People toe talk about the delete a talk about this? Ah n I T style bubble butt.
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There's no reason these guys will play.
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Steph Curry came out and said, I'm not playing meaningless games like No, like some sub meaningless, self meaningless games for some of these teams to some of these players, like depending on if you have, you already view this bubble and you know the commitment that some guys want to make.
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But Golden State's a great example of a team that, yes, because of injuries, had a bad record and had a bad season like, But these This is LeBron James and a D level players that are like, No, no, I'm not going to Chicago to play with the Scrubs of the league for a handful of games.
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Um, that not down in the bubble, though they just announced is, well, that there's an opportunity three people to do some scouting.
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However, they wouldn't be able to actually directly interact with any players.
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So it's the equivalent of watching the TV feed but live in person.
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So I don't know what the value might be there is.
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I mean, it just feels like the MBA is trying to extend every opportunity.
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But this just feels like another miss number.
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Where you go, I'll see it on TV. Probably.
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I think you could see game speed a little bit better, like see how certain guys move and like, maybe there's gonna be little movements that you're gonna catch, But, um, I mean, I get that in a way.
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I don't think you're gonna get like, the hands on temporary.
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But I mean, I'm sure there's something you can learn from it.
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You goto again.
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You always see little things.
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Um, you know, you'll see a guy run off a screen that you can't really see because it's shot in that, you know, I guess perpendicular before I guess perpendicular way to the court.
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So I mean, there might be something to gain from it.
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I don't know. I'm not a scout.
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I'm I mean, if a lot of people were talking about the bubble being, you know, tampers but guys tampering.
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Now, if you really want to go down there and, you know, mix it up with some guys and maybe you fish with the guy that you're interested in are you Ah, you know, go eat your box lunch with the guy like there's gonna be some crossover, but placing your singles ping pong tournament man, Yeah, you know, socially distance yourself, but tamper, maybe, but I don't know.
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It's weird because they're supposed to be keeping this bubble free from contamination.
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I know guys got a test negative before they can come in, but when you want to keep the numbers low before you have anybody extra coming in like, these guys have more opportunity than ever through technology to get tape and livestream the game and watch like I don't know, I think it's just the MBA trying to be inclusive of everyone and saying, Hey, even if you know, these eight clubs didn't make the bubble, you know you can send some scouts and still be a part of this, hopefully, once in a lifetime one time thing.
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Welcome.
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By the way, that's your point.
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If you ended up up to three so you can have as many as 24 additional people down into the bubble to do some scouting over the course of this and then on top of which, I guess they could leave at any time when they want to.
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But what would it be? And if you want to watch the playoff action, you're gonna have to.
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You can scout, but you'll be living in the bubble for three months, just just to just to be clear, you will be locked in here.
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So regardless of any of that, as we turn our attention to one of these non bubble teams in Orlando on the Chicago Bulls, it doesn't feel like it was a long that long ago when when Ah, Tommy Tibbs was at the helm there and they were, they were winning 40 plus 50 plus games and going to the playoffs.
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It has not been great for them of late, what with a run here, I had my official stat line 71 in 1 58 over the last three seasons, including this shortened one dope, Hands down dope.
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Um, right now, Boylan still stands as the head coach of that roster.
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They're making front office changes.
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So you assume that trickles down to head coach? I won't even bother with the quote that he had had out there because it was basically Yeah, I didn't do great.
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I'm not great.
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Gotta acknowledge when you're not doing so well.
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Um, not agree.
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And how to create resume to submit to maintain your job.
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We'll start there, though.
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Expectations for this team new head coach needs to come in and just top of your head.
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We'll start with you.
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Matt.
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Are there any thoughts around a young coach that might be in line to take over a young team? I like their pieces.
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I mean, I don't love the Levine, uh, white backcourt.
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I'm not a huge fan of that back court right now, but, um, I would probably try to move Levin.
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That would be the thing I would look to do.
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And like, I think he's an interesting, like, six men like I really like him in, like in l.
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A.
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With the Lakers.
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So even if you're doing like a Koosman, something else for him, like he's a and he's probably each piece until they learned how to facilitate a little bit more.
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I know that sounds crazy because he's like averaging well above 20 points, but he is someone I I like Lou being a lot.
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The thing that I would really do is like, just redistribute shots a little bit.
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So I tweeted this earlier today because this project is now giving me so much information and that all the seams I don't get to normally cover, um, where I, uh, I feel like I don't quite know what Laurie Marketing and Window Carter Jr are at this point, but I like them.
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I like the idea of them.
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At the very least, I do think that those guys are in a position where it's just about the worst place they can be.
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When Nell Carter Jr just doesn't have the polling offense now, he's not like it, necessarily a nuanced offensive presence.
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But he is, at the very least, like I think he shot pretty well from the free throw line in college.
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He's interesting in that way, and then market and just had a disaster.
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It started the year, Yes, he was just super cold coming into it.
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But he's got a little bit of bounce to his game.
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He's not just like this spot up shooter.
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You can take guys off the dribble of pretty decent handles.
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So I that's what I would be looking for is I would just look to involve that front court a little bit more and just have a little bit less of this, like this backcourt, where it's to shoot first guys and not do much else.
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Keith, when you look at that, go back these last three draft, they got white.
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Ah, who they got.
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They got Gifford in that second round from this past draft.
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You had a Wendell Carter Hutchinson three years ago.
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That's the one where Jordan melons up in the Golden State Warriors to a couple series of moves.
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But so the question is then, like, Is there enough of this young talent? How do you feel about White? You mentioned you mentioned Jr.
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They're at the center position, like is he enough to build around because you have a very bloated contract for Otto Porter Jr.
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Worth about 28 million right now, you could move that.
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They're not tied to a lot of numbers.
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You with any of these players? But what do you building like it if you move on from, even mentioned Levin to you can move on from him.
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But then you have a very young team and that young team still a couple of pieces away from even being young and exciting and, you know, at least a challenging team in the East.
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I mean, I think they're they're gonna be at the bottom of the East for the next few years, but it starts at the top.
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They, um they hired the mark ever XLII guy as their new GM.
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So he'll make some changes, make some moves.
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If we didn't fall into this suspended season pandemic quarantine Corona virus, I think, uh, their head coach would have been out of there already.
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Jim Boylan, like, I can't think about him besides the fact that he benched Zach Lavine.
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And then the next night, Levine comes out and drops 49 points just to spite him in that comeback win against the Hornets.
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It's like you got a break.
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Those guys up, um whether you get, you know, Jim out of there.
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Whether you get Zach out of there are both out of their GM has got to figure that out.
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And then once he figures that out, they have young guys like marketing Wendell Carter White.
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I think all those three like those three of the guys that you should at least start to try and build around.
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Auto Porter Porter Jr.
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He's a veteran, you know, been in the league a few years.
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He's a solid N b a guy, but they might look to move him.
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And then, you know, Matt was talking about Levin possibly going to L. A. I think L.
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A.
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Is a perfect fit for the kid.
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I think he's a U.
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C L A guy from out there and then team wise with LeBron a d.
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That'd be great.
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So if the Lakers are interested, why not try and make that deal? See what you can get from them as faras picks or players? And I mean, it's the bulls, right? So this is a basketball town of basketball City s so much history, so much tradition.
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When you go to the madhouse on Madison The United Center is full of just like banners and Jordan statues, and they're gonna figure out how to get it right around there.
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They have no choice but to figure out how to get it.
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Get it right, right, right, right around there.
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Well, it's funny, too, because you talk about that history in the legacy.
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The Chicago Bulls and listen.
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We all watched that last dance.
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We know that coming out of the break up of the Bulls, it was because we can redo this thing and we can retool it, and it is that they haven't had success.
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That was the Derrick Rose run there.
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Obviously, you can throw in the Jimmy Butler there as well, but you never did crest it.
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And now and I feel like we were just talking about the Kings the other day.
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Matt, right? Like games when you talk about your hometown in the league, the young players on Chicago do not get into your probably top 20 young talent in the league, and that Cindy is probably the biggest detriment for them is they still don't at least have the one guy.
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And before we get started talking about Levin It's like he's still young, but it also seems like you're probably right.
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Brenda on him is Well, he's not your centerpiece.
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You know, he's not the leader off of your franchise, So you're probably best suited to move on from him.
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And then you just end up a You're going to the lottery cycle here, Chicago.
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Oh, you're gonna end up in that same position of And this isn't gonna be the year for the draft, by the way, because the talent pool is it isn't really great.
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So if you're not getting the guy this year, then it's next year.
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And then these contracts for some of these younger players start to come up and you start making the decisions like you did with Levin.
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Where you go, OK, we'll give you almost 20 year to keep you around.
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To be a team that's 20 games under 500 like it just seems like the struggle is going to be very prevalent for them and arguably, like, they're gonna be like the Knicks were in a better position than that problem right now.
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And that's a fairly ****ing thing to say that any franchise in the league just from top down, right? I'll say this about them.
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I saw they put a graphic up of, like, potential guys that could go number one.
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Their PR was the NBC for the Bulls and ah, me just looking through comments.
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Somebody like what we should get.
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Oh, I don't know if he fits with Kobe White.
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I'm like, Yeah, I hate to be This guy just grabbed the best player because there's a good chance none of these guys air here within four years like I am to be that guy.
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But I'm like, What are you building her? I think I like Kobe White.
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I don't know if I really like Kobe White Market and I He could be interesting.
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He might not be as he a Nicola Mirotic's.
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I don't know.
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Um, so I don't know.
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That's kind of where I'm at with them is like they're in a tricky position where I just keep you kind of Weirdly, they went forward a little bit this year, and that's kind of the subtlety of all this is that they brought inside Iran ski.
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They brought in fat, young two guys.
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I like a lot.
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I think good vets for a young team to actually make some noise.
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It didn't work Werdel down now, and I think they won't even have to.
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They keep boiling around.
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I mean, he's the perfect coach to take Well, so then let me put this out there, too, because I think this was floated at one point.
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Um, it seems like Kenny Atkinson getting passed over in some other areas.
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And Nick Job seemed like one that, at least from from nets, I know from Nets fans perspectives were like, Hey, we're on him trying to run messing with you.
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New York would be a good idea to have Kenny Atkinson coming in.
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Coach, is that maybe the routes? I really I can't speak to Boylan's track record about whether they think is a quality coach or not, but it feels like Chicago might be a good one over the next couple of years to say, Hey, Kenny Atkinson, why don't you try to maximize our young talent with whatever they are? And maybe you end up saying we know that a Caris Levert, you know, can convey could be someone we could develop.
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Kobe, what white we can develop with you.
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We like you.
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And then maybe you also take a guy on the roster and tournament to a Spencer dignity that you may like.
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And he could be around on on a high talent team that adds a Kevin Durant or adds a Kyrie Irving.
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Or I could just increase your stock enough that maybe you get us value in a trade on the market.
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So, like that feels the only way you can learn about any of these players.
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If you know you have a head coach like you can't you can't subject these young players to boil it and go.
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We're not really a big fan of him, But we're gonna let him run these players in the ground for a couple of years that we have to scrap everyone because we have literally done nothing in terms of the evaluation process, like and I know identity there, right there, zero identity and zero path as it currently stands, and now they have a new front office, and maybe you're gonna see those decisions get made.
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But I just don't I don't see a vision, or I don't see at least a consistency there.
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I mean, it Wouldn't it be funny if they give? Because Kobe White got some D'Angelo Russell cops in in call Its are? Yeah, and call it.
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Really? Wouldn't it be funny if he gave Kenny Atkinson went there and gave him the chance? A Russell Trayvon's sitting in and fourth corners and doing nothing all over again.
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The grief that can be learned from that can be our way.
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Don't know Kenny got fired.
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Hey, can you? I've been kidding.
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Would be a great option for them for the Knicks.
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I think he's like I'm yet for them or even the Hawks if they do go a different direction.
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So I like that I have no plot.
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I'm really hoping Kenny lends a head coach job versus an assistant coach job.
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When we think about this Bulls team there, in the exact opportunity for a guy like Kenny to come in, developed young players and then for him to also help, like reestablish their culture, that's not a destination Anyone is.
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Trying to go to Chicago used to be more glamorous, obviously, from, um, the Rings, they one and the championship pedigree they had.
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But nobody's trying to go to the windy City city to play basketball.
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It's cold there most of the year.
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Um, stars aren't looking to play there.
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The last star to go there was what d.
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Wade was trying to, you know, have, ah, homecoming.
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He's in.
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That didn't work out.
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I think you know, you need someone like Kenny that can develop these young guys.
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And that's what you gotta do.
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Develop these young guys, turn them into stars and then get them to a level where players want to go there to play with them.
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Because there's really nothing else.
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They're attracting the top like tear N B A players to Chicago.
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You're probably right on that.
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Anything we'll get out of here on that note of Chicago is a major market city, right? You're supposed to be at least mentioned friendly.
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It's one of the New York L A Coastal, and then it's supposed to be Chicago.
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It's supposed to be these larger cities.
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I mean, you know, I guess the MBA, in some respects like San Antonio, has been able to do a great job of making themselves a major organization, But they're not a major market.
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So the fact that Chicago has kind of Let themselves Drift.
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I well, you have to acknowledge like it's again.
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It's only three or four years ago that they were in the mix and going to the playoffs.
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But it is interesting to see how quickly things reorder and reshuffle went to your point.
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Keith, you can't attract high in free agents so you can't supplement your young town that you're getting with a superstar.
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All the sudden you fall by the wayside and the idea that there rotational Lee down at the back end of the East, Atlanta and New York and the Hornets and all these other young teams that we all kind of clip of the go.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe not.
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Who knows? Who cares? Kind of this mixed bag like Chicago is not supposed to be that, like you're you're supposed to be led by a Derrick Rose and making you know, angry runs and playing with a little bit of grit there.
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And I think that's probably the identity you like to see them take on right, bringing some veteran players that are edgy that offer you a little bit of hustle and are going to be in here, attend to other teams in the league play chippy and see what you get over the next couple of years before you make the move.
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I guess the only disappointing part for them is that it is at least a couple years down the road for your establishing anything that you feel like you can build forward on.
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They need Kid Cunningham.
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That's all I got.
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He's amazing. Next year. You heard it.
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You heard it here first.
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You heard here first.
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That already knows.
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I know one player in the 2121 class and it's Anthony's. Amazing.
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I don't know anything about the draft.
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Well, listen, I'm not bombshell news.
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You're talking about Chicago Bulls.
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Obviously, they got a long road ahead and we'll see the me.
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They will be scouting and we'll hear about some tampering.
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Maybe they're looking to bring in that she owes to the to the Windy City to take over the point guard position after they shipped away Zach living into a six man opportunity.
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That's what I do.
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I stir the pot as we get out the door.
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Ah, Loki, think Pearson here and on all social media platforms.
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Forecaster News where we're talking, all things NBA. I'm Adam.
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Good, good, good.
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Pardoning it up.
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How's it going? Living right.
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Ah, so as we've been doing covering.
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So the MBA bubble and the teams that are going to be a part of it before we dive in a I don't know, bubble, non pulled elite eight. There's a lot of love.
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The things around really hear the Chicago Bulls is we're going to touch on.
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But before we get in on that man, scrimmage starts this week for these MBA teams.
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They got a handful of those before we get into the game.
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Research.
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What the what? The expectations for these criminals that we back the real live coverage on some local and national networks.
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You know, when you see those instagram videos of, like, lifetime Fitness and it's got like so the guy like this random like random guys mixed in, I think it's just gonna look like a pickup. Basketball.
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It's gonna look like scrimmages.
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I'm sure they have their jerseys on.
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This will be the first time we'll get to see these ballroom courts, but I just don't think it's gonna be what MBA fans are expecting.
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Obviously, there's no fans in the stands, and I don't think we can take it too seriously.
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I think these are gonna be, you know, straight up test runs.
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They're gonna be, um, exhibitions That don't matter where.
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We're gonna try and run different sets, put different guys together, not just the nets.
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I'm all of these teams, and some of these teams are gonna be a missing players from the virus.
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And then also, these teams are gonna have guys rest like I don't expect LeBron and a d to be getting 40 minutes in.
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Ah, the first scrimmage.
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You know what I'm saying, right? Do you think, Matt, that, um, the first thing I thought of was like, when they do the All American your high school basketball games and or the scouting runs that they started to do some times where it's people commentating, quote unquote.
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But it's really just like a conversation around basketball.
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Is that more of the expectation you think about how they're going to approach discussing these scrimmages? Because I don't I just don't see a high value in some of the players that you're going to be talking about, right? I've been Look, I'm having an internal struggle with how long? So so what I'm supposed to do with these? Like, what am I supposed to do with some of this? I don't know.
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I mean, I guess I don't know.
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I kind of I think I'm honestly, we're doing more excited to watch other teams, like, not watch the Nets.
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Because the Nets, I'm gonna feel like, Oh, I need to have a take away.
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Like Go look, look, it's out on Moussa.
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He's got 19 points in the first half, which is like, but I think with other teams, I'm actually gonna be kind of excited because it will be like, Oh, I haven't actually watched the books and three months, um, wonder if this is gonna be indicative anything.
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So in a way, I'm excited for that, but I don't have. It's on a takeaways.
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I don't know who is gonna be out there.
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We might have Brian Egan out there.
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Our guy was on a vacation.
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Could be flashing on the court.
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All of a sudden they'll say Igen, Igen from deep here, you guys, even in my hair, so eso So the bar is being set relatively low.
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We'll put it that way as far as what we want from the scrimmages now, while the bubble starts to get organized and underway in Orlando, we said before we got on the air here.
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Do you guys remember when the NBA's just kind of floated a very loose news briefing about how they were looking to start a second bubble in Chicago? Is that in anyone's by? Because that doesn't seem to have really had a lot in the news cycle.
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It seems like they're still working towards it and coming to an end created.
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But it was like flag second bubble coming, said Sanders.
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Chicago.
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Watch out and then radio silence across the board.
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It reminded me when they did the pot smoke album cover and they were just like, Oh, this is terrible And then they scrapped it.
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I'm hoping that's what happened.
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I think I'm hoping happened.
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I think it was for clicks.
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I think it was the media thing.
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One of the first things we found out was out of those eight teams.
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The New York Knicks didn't even get on the call about it.
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So if the Knicks didn't take you seriously, how come we his fans take it serious? It got some clicks.
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There was some articles written about it.
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You know, these bloggers got to make money to these writers, got to make money to, and it was good for maybe a week.
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People toe talk about the delete a talk about this? Ah n I T style bubble butt.
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There's no reason these guys will play.
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Steph Curry came out and said, I'm not playing meaningless games like No, like some sub meaningless, self meaningless games for some of these teams to some of these players, like depending on if you have, you already view this bubble and you know the commitment that some guys want to make.
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But Golden State's a great example of a team that, yes, because of injuries, had a bad record and had a bad season like, But these This is LeBron James and a D level players that are like, No, no, I'm not going to Chicago to play with the Scrubs of the league for a handful of games.
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Um, that not down in the bubble, though they just announced is, well, that there's an opportunity three people to do some scouting.
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However, they wouldn't be able to actually directly interact with any players.
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So it's the equivalent of watching the TV feed but live in person.
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So I don't know what the value might be there is.
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I mean, it just feels like the MBA is trying to extend every opportunity.
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But this just feels like another miss number.
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Where you go, I'll see it on TV. Probably.
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I think you could see game speed a little bit better, like see how certain guys move and like, maybe there's gonna be little movements that you're gonna catch, But, um, I mean, I get that in a way.
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I don't think you're gonna get like, the hands on temporary.
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But I mean, I'm sure there's something you can learn from it.
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You goto again.
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You always see little things.
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Um, you know, you'll see a guy run off a screen that you can't really see because it's shot in that, you know, I guess perpendicular before I guess perpendicular way to the court.
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So I mean, there might be something to gain from it.
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I don't know. I'm not a scout.
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I'm I mean, if a lot of people were talking about the bubble being, you know, tampers but guys tampering.
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Now, if you really want to go down there and, you know, mix it up with some guys and maybe you fish with the guy that you're interested in are you Ah, you know, go eat your box lunch with the guy like there's gonna be some crossover, but placing your singles ping pong tournament man, Yeah, you know, socially distance yourself, but tamper, maybe, but I don't know.
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It's weird because they're supposed to be keeping this bubble free from contamination.
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I know guys got a test negative before they can come in, but when you want to keep the numbers low before you have anybody extra coming in like, these guys have more opportunity than ever through technology to get tape and livestream the game and watch like I don't know, I think it's just the MBA trying to be inclusive of everyone and saying, Hey, even if you know, these eight clubs didn't make the bubble, you know you can send some scouts and still be a part of this, hopefully, once in a lifetime one time thing.
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Welcome.
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By the way, that's your point.
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If you ended up up to three so you can have as many as 24 additional people down into the bubble to do some scouting over the course of this and then on top of which, I guess they could leave at any time when they want to.
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But what would it be? And if you want to watch the playoff action, you're gonna have to.
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You can scout, but you'll be living in the bubble for three months, just just to just to be clear, you will be locked in here.
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So regardless of any of that, as we turn our attention to one of these non bubble teams in Orlando on the Chicago Bulls, it doesn't feel like it was a long that long ago when when Ah, Tommy Tibbs was at the helm there and they were, they were winning 40 plus 50 plus games and going to the playoffs.
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It has not been great for them of late, what with a run here, I had my official stat line 71 in 1 58 over the last three seasons, including this shortened one dope, Hands down dope.
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Um, right now, Boylan still stands as the head coach of that roster.
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They're making front office changes.
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So you assume that trickles down to head coach? I won't even bother with the quote that he had had out there because it was basically Yeah, I didn't do great.
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I'm not great.
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Gotta acknowledge when you're not doing so well.
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Um, not agree.
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And how to create resume to submit to maintain your job.
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We'll start there, though.
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Expectations for this team new head coach needs to come in and just top of your head.
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We'll start with you.
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Matt.
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Are there any thoughts around a young coach that might be in line to take over a young team? I like their pieces.
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I mean, I don't love the Levine, uh, white backcourt.
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I'm not a huge fan of that back court right now, but, um, I would probably try to move Levin.
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That would be the thing I would look to do.
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And like, I think he's an interesting, like, six men like I really like him in, like in l.
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A.
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With the Lakers.
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So even if you're doing like a Koosman, something else for him, like he's a and he's probably each piece until they learned how to facilitate a little bit more.
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I know that sounds crazy because he's like averaging well above 20 points, but he is someone I I like Lou being a lot.
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The thing that I would really do is like, just redistribute shots a little bit.
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So I tweeted this earlier today because this project is now giving me so much information and that all the seams I don't get to normally cover, um, where I, uh, I feel like I don't quite know what Laurie Marketing and Window Carter Jr are at this point, but I like them.
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I like the idea of them.
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At the very least, I do think that those guys are in a position where it's just about the worst place they can be.
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When Nell Carter Jr just doesn't have the polling offense now, he's not like it, necessarily a nuanced offensive presence.
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But he is, at the very least, like I think he shot pretty well from the free throw line in college.
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He's interesting in that way, and then market and just had a disaster.
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It started the year, Yes, he was just super cold coming into it.
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But he's got a little bit of bounce to his game.
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He's not just like this spot up shooter.
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You can take guys off the dribble of pretty decent handles.
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So I that's what I would be looking for is I would just look to involve that front court a little bit more and just have a little bit less of this, like this backcourt, where it's to shoot first guys and not do much else.
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Keith, when you look at that, go back these last three draft, they got white.
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Ah, who they got.
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They got Gifford in that second round from this past draft.
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You had a Wendell Carter Hutchinson three years ago.
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That's the one where Jordan melons up in the Golden State Warriors to a couple series of moves.
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But so the question is then, like, Is there enough of this young talent? How do you feel about White? You mentioned you mentioned Jr.
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They're at the center position, like is he enough to build around because you have a very bloated contract for Otto Porter Jr.
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Worth about 28 million right now, you could move that.
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They're not tied to a lot of numbers.
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You with any of these players? But what do you building like it if you move on from, even mentioned Levin to you can move on from him.
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But then you have a very young team and that young team still a couple of pieces away from even being young and exciting and, you know, at least a challenging team in the East.
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I mean, I think they're they're gonna be at the bottom of the East for the next few years, but it starts at the top.
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They, um they hired the mark ever XLII guy as their new GM.
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So he'll make some changes, make some moves.
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If we didn't fall into this suspended season pandemic quarantine Corona virus, I think, uh, their head coach would have been out of there already.
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Jim Boylan, like, I can't think about him besides the fact that he benched Zach Lavine.
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And then the next night, Levine comes out and drops 49 points just to spite him in that comeback win against the Hornets.
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It's like you got a break.
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Those guys up, um whether you get, you know, Jim out of there.
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Whether you get Zach out of there are both out of their GM has got to figure that out.
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And then once he figures that out, they have young guys like marketing Wendell Carter White.
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I think all those three like those three of the guys that you should at least start to try and build around.
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Auto Porter Porter Jr.
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He's a veteran, you know, been in the league a few years.
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He's a solid N b a guy, but they might look to move him.
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And then, you know, Matt was talking about Levin possibly going to L. A. I think L.
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A.
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Is a perfect fit for the kid.
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I think he's a U.
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C L A guy from out there and then team wise with LeBron a d.
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That'd be great.
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So if the Lakers are interested, why not try and make that deal? See what you can get from them as faras picks or players? And I mean, it's the bulls, right? So this is a basketball town of basketball City s so much history, so much tradition.
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When you go to the madhouse on Madison The United Center is full of just like banners and Jordan statues, and they're gonna figure out how to get it right around there.
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They have no choice but to figure out how to get it.
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Get it right, right, right, right around there.
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Well, it's funny, too, because you talk about that history in the legacy.
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The Chicago Bulls and listen.
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We all watched that last dance.
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We know that coming out of the break up of the Bulls, it was because we can redo this thing and we can retool it, and it is that they haven't had success.
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That was the Derrick Rose run there.
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Obviously, you can throw in the Jimmy Butler there as well, but you never did crest it.
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And now and I feel like we were just talking about the Kings the other day.
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Matt, right? Like games when you talk about your hometown in the league, the young players on Chicago do not get into your probably top 20 young talent in the league, and that Cindy is probably the biggest detriment for them is they still don't at least have the one guy.
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And before we get started talking about Levin It's like he's still young, but it also seems like you're probably right.
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Brenda on him is Well, he's not your centerpiece.
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You know, he's not the leader off of your franchise, So you're probably best suited to move on from him.
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And then you just end up a You're going to the lottery cycle here, Chicago.
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Oh, you're gonna end up in that same position of And this isn't gonna be the year for the draft, by the way, because the talent pool is it isn't really great.
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So if you're not getting the guy this year, then it's next year.
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And then these contracts for some of these younger players start to come up and you start making the decisions like you did with Levin.
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Where you go, OK, we'll give you almost 20 year to keep you around.
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To be a team that's 20 games under 500 like it just seems like the struggle is going to be very prevalent for them and arguably, like, they're gonna be like the Knicks were in a better position than that problem right now.
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And that's a fairly ****ing thing to say that any franchise in the league just from top down, right? I'll say this about them.
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I saw they put a graphic up of, like, potential guys that could go number one.
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Their PR was the NBC for the Bulls and ah, me just looking through comments.
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Somebody like what we should get.
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Oh, I don't know if he fits with Kobe White.
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I'm like, Yeah, I hate to be This guy just grabbed the best player because there's a good chance none of these guys air here within four years like I am to be that guy.
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But I'm like, What are you building her? I think I like Kobe White.
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I don't know if I really like Kobe White Market and I He could be interesting.
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He might not be as he a Nicola Mirotic's.
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I don't know.
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Um, so I don't know.
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That's kind of where I'm at with them is like they're in a tricky position where I just keep you kind of Weirdly, they went forward a little bit this year, and that's kind of the subtlety of all this is that they brought inside Iran ski.
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They brought in fat, young two guys.
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I like a lot.
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I think good vets for a young team to actually make some noise.
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It didn't work Werdel down now, and I think they won't even have to.
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They keep boiling around.
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I mean, he's the perfect coach to take Well, so then let me put this out there, too, because I think this was floated at one point.
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Um, it seems like Kenny Atkinson getting passed over in some other areas.
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And Nick Job seemed like one that, at least from from nets, I know from Nets fans perspectives were like, Hey, we're on him trying to run messing with you.
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New York would be a good idea to have Kenny Atkinson coming in.
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Coach, is that maybe the routes? I really I can't speak to Boylan's track record about whether they think is a quality coach or not, but it feels like Chicago might be a good one over the next couple of years to say, Hey, Kenny Atkinson, why don't you try to maximize our young talent with whatever they are? And maybe you end up saying we know that a Caris Levert, you know, can convey could be someone we could develop.
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Kobe, what white we can develop with you.
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We like you.
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And then maybe you also take a guy on the roster and tournament to a Spencer dignity that you may like.
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And he could be around on on a high talent team that adds a Kevin Durant or adds a Kyrie Irving.
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Or I could just increase your stock enough that maybe you get us value in a trade on the market.
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So, like that feels the only way you can learn about any of these players.
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If you know you have a head coach like you can't you can't subject these young players to boil it and go.
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We're not really a big fan of him, But we're gonna let him run these players in the ground for a couple of years that we have to scrap everyone because we have literally done nothing in terms of the evaluation process, like and I know identity there, right there, zero identity and zero path as it currently stands, and now they have a new front office, and maybe you're gonna see those decisions get made.
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But I just don't I don't see a vision, or I don't see at least a consistency there.
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I mean, it Wouldn't it be funny if they give? Because Kobe White got some D'Angelo Russell cops in in call Its are? Yeah, and call it.
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Really? Wouldn't it be funny if he gave Kenny Atkinson went there and gave him the chance? A Russell Trayvon's sitting in and fourth corners and doing nothing all over again.
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The grief that can be learned from that can be our way.
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Don't know Kenny got fired.
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Hey, can you? I've been kidding.
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Would be a great option for them for the Knicks.
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I think he's like I'm yet for them or even the Hawks if they do go a different direction.
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So I like that I have no plot.
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I'm really hoping Kenny lends a head coach job versus an assistant coach job.
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When we think about this Bulls team there, in the exact opportunity for a guy like Kenny to come in, developed young players and then for him to also help, like reestablish their culture, that's not a destination Anyone is.
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Trying to go to Chicago used to be more glamorous, obviously, from, um, the Rings, they one and the championship pedigree they had.
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But nobody's trying to go to the windy City city to play basketball.
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It's cold there most of the year.
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Um, stars aren't looking to play there.
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The last star to go there was what d.
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Wade was trying to, you know, have, ah, homecoming.
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He's in.
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That didn't work out.
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I think you know, you need someone like Kenny that can develop these young guys.
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And that's what you gotta do.
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Develop these young guys, turn them into stars and then get them to a level where players want to go there to play with them.
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Because there's really nothing else.
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They're attracting the top like tear N B A players to Chicago.
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You're probably right on that.
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Anything we'll get out of here on that note of Chicago is a major market city, right? You're supposed to be at least mentioned friendly.
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It's one of the New York L A Coastal, and then it's supposed to be Chicago.
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It's supposed to be these larger cities.
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I mean, you know, I guess the MBA, in some respects like San Antonio, has been able to do a great job of making themselves a major organization, But they're not a major market.
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So the fact that Chicago has kind of Let themselves Drift.
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I well, you have to acknowledge like it's again.
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It's only three or four years ago that they were in the mix and going to the playoffs.
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But it is interesting to see how quickly things reorder and reshuffle went to your point.
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Keith, you can't attract high in free agents so you can't supplement your young town that you're getting with a superstar.
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All the sudden you fall by the wayside and the idea that there rotational Lee down at the back end of the East, Atlanta and New York and the Hornets and all these other young teams that we all kind of clip of the go.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe not.
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Who knows? Who cares? Kind of this mixed bag like Chicago is not supposed to be that, like you're you're supposed to be led by a Derrick Rose and making you know, angry runs and playing with a little bit of grit there.
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And I think that's probably the identity you like to see them take on right, bringing some veteran players that are edgy that offer you a little bit of hustle and are going to be in here, attend to other teams in the league play chippy and see what you get over the next couple of years before you make the move.
00:19:43
I guess the only disappointing part for them is that it is at least a couple years down the road for your establishing anything that you feel like you can build forward on.
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They need Kid Cunningham.
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That's all I got.
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He's amazing. Next year. You heard it.
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You heard it here first.
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You heard here first.
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That already knows.
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I know one player in the 2121 class and it's Anthony's. Amazing.
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I don't know anything about the draft.
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Well, listen, I'm not bombshell news.
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You're talking about Chicago Bulls.
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Obviously, they got a long road ahead and we'll see the me.
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They will be scouting and we'll hear about some tampering.
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Maybe they're looking to bring in that she owes to the to the Windy City to take over the point guard position after they shipped away Zach living into a six man opportunity.
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That's what I do.
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I stir the pot as we get out the door.
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