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I've been cooking up going for this bad boy.
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Steph was in four for me personally.
Fun, fun season I've ever watched.
And I defend the way on that light.
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Essentially, I'm gonna get shack up in there once or twice for sure.
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And the So it's, uh let's get it was getting going here.
So, um, so those of you in here extra coming out on this Wednesday night? My name is Bailey.
These my co host got Corbyn were stomach you from the elite.
Where n v a coverage site.
We do this every week.
We have multiple sessions long every week across it.
I covered the war for the lead reading.
So to those of you that may be new to us, that's what we do.
Just so no one is misled.
We're not discussing side pieces in the common usage of the phrase.
Last week we got to talking about really more so sidekicks, as in MBA terms, and Corbyn here caught inside pieces, and we just decided to run with it and make it this week's title.
Uh, that's what we're gonna just go start off talking about.
What makes an M V P that that's the first topic of discussion here.
Corbyn, you said you have a lot to speak on about this.
So let's let's let's start with you.
What makes them being with All right, listen.
So for me, I mean, it starts with the four boxes.
I think if you got a check off, at least three free is fine too iffy.
And if you only get one like you ain't even it for So like the four boxes, one is narrative.
I hate to say it, but like a lot of this story, I rant about this I talked about this week is, well, narratives. One.
The stats is obvious.
God bring the stats up in there as well.
The top seed best team in the league, etcetera.
That's up there and then this is my own.
But overall and I just called a valuable miss.
I don't know this word, not even looking out.
We're gonna live.
It's kind of sad, but valuable. That's right.
That's a spotting one to me.
But how important is this player to the team's overall success? Whatever that success? Maybe, but obviously a winning record.
So I thought Westbrook in 2017.
I thought Harden for the Rockets last year.
I think LeBron pretty much every year since 2006 like that is my angle on how much What would that team be without that player? If I'm going to use the Bucks without you, honest, I feel I mean, that's still feeling pretty solid team, especially in the East boom like I think they'd be OK if you take, let's say Paul George off the Clippers.
I think I'm not seeing a consideration but quietly is a pretty good team, you know, what I mean, if you take I mean, look at the Wizards.
Like they're not even in the consideration.
Would take Bradley be off the Wizards for me.
I mean, what the heck? Look at them in Orlando in two weeks.
That's why I'm trying to save some of the valuable, you know? I mean, Lakers as explain now, thank you.
Without LeBron, where are they? The pelicans of L. A.
You know, like this.
There's nothing there.
So those are the four boxes that check for me.
So all these arguments were gonna be having I mean, arguments, discussions, you know? Well, put out awful discussions.
I'm judging awful, though.
And so very rarely do you get one checks off all of them.
A pretty good case this year, except for me, The viable this box.
But just in general, those of the four kind of quite during that I look for when I look at MBPs someone I considered to be in that list.
So, like Damian Lillard, it's like one of those.
He has narrative a little bit and the team six team success.
He doesn't narrative and like, stats.
I would say we're narrative invaluable nous, but like I wouldn't say staffs or team successes much, obviously cause the injuries.
But like them's the breaks.
That's a fair, like barometer about it.
Measure that because that's how pretty much what people do, I would say a valuable this.
I feel like it is the one that gets looked over the most because I dug Narrative probably takes over, then value of this to that point, but I think you kind of hit it on the UK, hit it on the head with that, Um, I was trying to think if I had anything else to that, but that was pretty solid in terms of how it quarterfinal you keep.
So, yeah, I need a divided government group.
Those for probably remain for, I think, the reason why the players value valuable nous importance.
Whatever you wanna call it, it's hard to tangibly measure.
It is hard to put a measure on that.
I think that's where a lot of discussions come in because he Corbyn says the bucks, the books would be still agency.
I don't say they would be a bad team for safe.
I mean, if the books of the one seed with Yonas.
I think they're probably like I think they're, like 15 without him.
I see so much more so than I would put you on.
I'm a put you on the spot.
What? We're putting the Raptors ahead of them.
Putting the Celtics ahead of them were from the 76.
So that leaves about yet all we dropped him any lower than fourth in the East.
Now we get to Brooklyn, answer Linda match territory.
And I'm positive.
But let's still be better than the magic inventions as they are.
This the older Debo lead pacers probably above.
Okay, fine fiving that.
Yeah, like I'm not something even team.
But, like, I forgot that trash.
No, not at all Solid.
Really going round.
Have a Really It's Eve around.
An incredible plate.
The way I make the argument go.
Okay, Let's do it. Let's get used.
I did not mean to do that way, Okay? Because my argument is and I used all the time one of my favorite players.
2017 Take Westbrook off. That's under Jean.
Where they at the lottery. Right.
just over that number.
G 47 35 1st round exit All that considered may not be super great.
Obviously stats with a big thing with that triple double narrative of Katie leaving relative team success going.
But that's three for me because you take him on 15.
Boom. You just run off of any.
It seemed like a 76 boom like No, we're not.
I mean, even like 9 2007 10 where there's some decent cats, he's only decent around on that team.
Without that, you're lying on like Mo Williams and Ben Wallace and allows if you took LeBron off those casting Kyrie o K.
Love, though there's still there's Still four or five in the East are, like, probably even higher back then, too.
So I would say LeBron get the LeBron by what you do with the Cavs second round.
He didn't want any people kept sticking around the right point.
Like calling my LeBron by like that because you you could have an argument that LeBron could've won last like 10.
So I would argue that Kevin love I had a better supporting cast in Minnesota.
Then he would have in Cleveland without LeBron, that's because, I mean, they suck to the injuries and being in the West.
But you had Ricky Rubio.
You always had a decent wing shooter.
Derek Winds on team.
Although he ended being a bus, no kg, wasn't there.
Just running through the 2013 team.
We have a problem, huh? All right, so here they had Andrei Kirilenko, Kevin Love Rubio.
Um, Nicola Petkovic and his last good season.
You had a couple of solid guards in Luke ridden our before you traded 15 million times and jaded Maria, um, and that team, I mean, that was for the 2013 2014 team.
They finished 40 and 42.
And if you look at that roster this in the West Loop Shama a bomb mood could never get the name right of as Mohammed Ricky Rubio, Jim Moret, Coy Brewer Chase, but injure Kevin Love anchoring and then Kevin Martin averaging like, 15. The game.
And that was again 40 and 42 in the west.
You know, I mean something that you have, you know? I mean, you have guys, I guess who would fit better alongside Kevin love by extension them fitting well, alongside LeBron like that.
But I guess you're right.
I have to give that you got because of this and invited Coptic.
That's about talking all the history that Kyrie is.
What? Every piece on I would have made the finals.
No, I could have seen the Hawks being in my LeBron.
Yeah, Yeah, that team Spain pills World curry sauce.
Sorry, it's first.
See, I've seen in a long time.
Yeah, and they would have Yeah, Yeah, they have, like, four.
Also, they were like, Christian person walks from let now.
Oh, so so do you have for the current NDP? I got the honest man I saw.
I was thinking about it, and I was, uh I was trying to see who I would actually get you, but with those boxes, like, kind of not the same for him where you get but just in terms of what he did the season that had granted in the east.
But, um, I just feel like taking honest off that bucks team.
And I'm not saying people growing up that you seem they're not gonna be worse, but just the way they took the system around him.
The way he played in the way stepped up from last season.
And so lead, I say, because they got the best record right now.
But, um, I love the debate between these two.
Shot out my boys, Eric unwilling to go bucks.
Um, but now I'd probably give me honest at this moment.
Hey, we got 18 years left.
Those don't LeBron's drop 60 like, eight games and Rosie, But, you know, I got I got younger court.
I mean, I don't got I love it.
When? When He is as mbpd.
I'm not gonna argue with I told you understand it.
I feel like Kanye right now trying to take the Grammy from or whatever from Taylor stuff to give it to Beyonce like LeBron James in the best.
You're 17 and I've never seen okay in general engender.
Although if we grow okay, I still I would argue that LeBron is still the best player in the league.
Now he takes more.
I mean, Yonas has been the most dominant by far, but he's renewed that whole commitments insurance.
He's been one of the anchors, obviously, lots Anthony Davis was the defensive player of the year candidate, one of the toughest units in the MBA.
Right now, he's shown that when he is ramped up, person on his best is still probably better than anyone else.
The best we've seen that in head to head match begins Ion.
We've seen against Scoop on the Bucks we've seen against Lender and the Clippers.
I mean, I think that you can definitely make an argument for it now.
Yes, Johannes is the best player and has the best winning percentage and the best net rating and all that other stuff.
But, like for leave, I'm taking just in terms up.
That's where I guess the stats for me, Okay, give it the honest.
The team's success.
I kind of give both like, I don't think the Bucks have about a record, but like I'm going also by, like East West first included in that away.
And so some of that exactly given a Lakers both of valuable to a SWAT, but already made the argument about what the Lakers will be without that both have a good team success and the narrative.
I'm against LeBron.
What's the night for the bucks this year.
Um, they're good, and Johannes is great.
And okay, Like, I mean, people ate the whole reason you're 17 or 35 but like when we see this again, like anyone who is even remotely effective at this stage of their career was like a car Malone and a cream of your job are.
They play totally different styles.
And with Kareem, he was I, Magic Johnson on a very self supporting cast of Jim.
These were the environs.
Scott kind of helped him along, whereas with car Malone expansion helped weaken, the teams had to play with.
And although he was very productive along the time like that, him and John Stockton co anchor that team.
LeBron is still almost a complete focal point is the point Now the Lakers have a point guard, really? Ah, standard point guard with Rajon Rondo out along Avery Bradley and everyone's going, LeBron will just be the point guard, and we're fine with that.
With him carrying the burden he's been carrying legally to know where he has been and doing this all and events, age would be the narrative and up there, and it means a crapshoot like.
Obviously it's the honest because everyone's been Mignon is since the beginning again, he has play has elevated that he is a dominant player, like 70 wins.
I ain't arguing, but my safe for LeBron would be that the only narrative that I hear about you, honest, is that he's leaving.
That's literally it.
That's all we hear about? Oh, yeah.
In Miami, two years old, he'll be in going stayed in two years like you never hear.
Yeah, like you never give anything.
I think I've only only cut.
I just want their craft about Johannes is like, just step up that they've taken from last then in the final state glued against the Raptors.
Oh, my hot chick that.
I just thought they were the better team last season, But, uh, I know I know.
Wants another debate That too, but I thought the box We're gonna be the team that we're going to the finals.
Um, So for Johnson? Got it? Yeah, I was here.
I got to empty my thought, you know, continue, man.
Because after basically what you say is the only the only, like nice part about Narayanan's narrative is like that.
You know, in a movie, when you get confident, you come back.
That's the last narrative I'm seeing on. Guy could see.
So maybe like Oh, you know that that's tight.
But LeBron's next narrative, I say out BBT honest is in sense that he's the older, Um, the stuff is doing is in san like I I've never even been.
The beings were brought up in my entire life, and I still like in all of Washington do places like it's not in terms of their that I'm giving the LeBron.
But I think of the other stuff.
How? Yeah, any, like something.
You said they're on pace with 70 games Um, the stuff that they were doing in the regular season And I feel like being a small market team like you kind of got a builder and looking good.
Publish Washington Play like they like the honest ones that sits of and like the beam at like the M V P in Miles is being like a system for the one of the best teams.
And not saying LeBron one isn't.
But, um, John ist was really that system so that where I would give you honest the edge and the evidence if I vote But, um narrowed wise, I get I will say this.
I will say you talk about being us.
We talked about being a system and I'm kind of like out here, like I, uh I don't think it was a little bar fan.
There have been times when I've been LeBron hater, but like at this point, like I've got someone, I respect him and appreciate him.
Really liked to watch him play like I haven't.
I mean, he's been around since we were what, like, eight.
But, you know, I'm saying like he's gonna run a lot of time.
Just changed the way I looked at things.
So, um, but my thing is, and I will say this LeBron arguably better than anyone in history, especially honest right now can take worst players to a higher level.
We're just talking.
You were just talking about where the books are the honest and he's their system, which is all true.
But without them, they you know he's sinking a hard hit, but nowhere years on part is the Lakers will without bride because, as Eric said in the chat Mike and in Logan makes important.
We haven't seen any honest with a bad team because he's that type of player that you build around as soon as you can.
And it's quickly you get, um, but like I mean, I feel like you can't You can't reward for LeBron right e really that you can.
It's cause that's more like a front office.
Like they making the choice.
Will I go? We have run out there and we're gonna get served one three readings like two of them.
Are you doing worst like teams that he not not The Heat was obviously with the 16 team, you could say that it was just him carry, and they had, like what you guys are on and like, even when he hasn't won like he's take news ****her, they should totally get that.
But I feel like you can't reward a player for that.
It's like that Za tournament to his greatness on the court.
But you can't like Maki honest, revealing.
You haven't had a worse team like why you bring someone like that.
I like that are like That's a flawed are very argument that's not going to make.
I just wanted to, you know, make sure somebody knowledge is like your LeBron has taken like high school players to the final.
And that's all I want you.
I mean, I'm sorry to say we talking about, um the guys that Briana is carried to the playoffs, you know? DellaVedova 20. So great.
Like, that's a solid team.
What? I'm not knocking.
I'm not going to.
Not LeBron being on the front office.
They didn't realize.
Hey, we should surround a generational talent with teammates.
Apple supported like that.
That's something I'm not going to do.
Like congratulations for the Bucks to do that for LeBron to carry a cast at one full.
I'm just run through some of the guys is my mic It my good.
Okay, I'm reading the comments wrong, but you had Damon Jones ****y get do good Donyell Marshall past his prime to the N B.
I can run through some more luminaries that would consider a supporting cast for LEBRON through the years.
Anyone remember Devin Brown, Sash Pavel Church Joe Smith, the corpse of Joseph of the Course of Lollies er, Biak Ben Wallace.
LeBron carried to the championship.
We're not sure what.
The Finals, Eastern Conference finals. J.
He took a team after the overall u took a team that had gone through just the craziest mid season overall and said, Hey, I'm gonna carry you two guys with them in the playoffs before an urge Born Clocks and Larry Nance Jr.
These guys, come on, we're going to the finals again with the team.
I just came with formers who were underperform.
LeBron's done this on the daily.
I'm not not, I think it honest for not having the have that same adversity LeBron's had to go through. That's ground.
Wished on any great player after have to do with that to prove themselves.
This hasn't and bottom line until I see it, I'm not.
He's had a strong team. You have a solid core.
Ah, nice piece in Chris Milton, who LeBron would have killed for back in the day instead of playing with, um, what was his name? Larry Cuc's that was a psychic for a while.
Larry Cubes than Mo Williams.
It goes where his competent psyches.
Great offense for themselves.
He would have died with him in just a one Who? Big c drew baskets.
The boy junior's with study.
Trudeau's to study, But there was definitely You know what you're getting from every night.
That's just like, I guess.
Yeah, so So there you go.
And that's awesome.
But I'm just saying is different Also, I got to give him Mark.
I know LeBron corny with washed king and everything, but Johannes is corny, Dude, like the dude is just Or today runs almost every game.
This skin in the game will take a picture of me with the playbook.
Laugh out yards. That's crazy.
No, play this stupid game over here.
And the glass like, Come on.
It was nothing like the deputy in 10.
I will give you that these corners out.
Yeah, and like I'm just saying, I'm just I looked at that.
I retweeted corn ball and like corn with each one because I was, like, long do come on and lets you write people back in the Andrew.
Say, don't see movements.
More angel solid.
Well, I'm one of the shot happy guard who worked in a system of LeBron, like Jack Smith worked in a system because you're talking to you saying the facts right now, Logan.
I'm saying I'm sorry. You said.
Like he carried DellaVedova to a playoff berth.
LeBron carried into a ring.
My dude, like he got a ring.
I'm a mat contracts from Milwaukee because it also thanks a lot for the fact that he's ableto put him there.
But you can't use that when LeBron's ready.
LeBron made him a literal playoff here on the 25th while he made himself that just by his play, but in that 2015 finals already doubled hadn't even don't know unless rewrite history.
He can see Milwaukee as a day exactly.
Greg Monroe was a big free, aging signing for Milwaukee.
Like these are people who want to go there to team with the ANA.
So one of the carry them allegedly kind of joined casting for Tony style.
I know he didn't make him okay, it out of here out here Anyway, that's my argument on supporting cast like goddesses.
How did these squat? He just hasn't found a knock on him, but yeah, you proving five I don't know how you can prove it.
You could argue and be like with the supporting cast.
How he's elevated that, like that's That's a total of eight. Everyone.
I mean, there are Chris Christie garbage.
I'm Washington more now because the honest and like I don't think that without your honest there, I feel like he's just not as good as people say he is.
And that's just me.
I thought I might know watching notebooks basketball, but like he's elevated his teammates more than I think.
Yeah, Brook Lopez is a sniper now, Like honest Ana.
Look, Lopez helped by having a defender be honest.
A stature alongside is, and you know I mean, like it make Brook Lopez better knowing that he's not the only bath.
Better balance to take back side as far as him shooting two threes and everything.
That was this Brooks evolution already doing.
And I lay right before he came down there so I didn't make life easier for Brooke.
Of course, he did elevate his game.
Yeah, but I'm not thinking that he, like he comes in there and teammates come better.
Yeah, they have more space because driving lanes and stuff.
It's not like he's picking them part of the passing vision.
And even then, I think LeBron maybe gets a lot of of, um, like maybe too much credit for, like, making eyes better when he surrounds himself of guys who fit perfectly in the LeBron system, which is, you know, you have have some dynamic off all creation, but for the most part, Sandy Corn, I'll get you the ball.
Do what you gotta do. I feel like God.
This is like a more rudimentary version of that.
Like I don't see anyone going over there and, like, flourishing or even doing a your turn.
I guess him and Chris Milton do a your turn, my turn, like LeBron and Kyrie, do it back in the final States.
But I don't see him is going over and instantly making that he makes the team better because he's Johannes and that's you can't stop him.
And just if you stop him and others are are lifted up, you know, and right now you can still very much top Young's work wherever that series against, like that's what happens against that.
That's what happening.
It's a Raptor last year like they focused on your honest clamp down and the rest of the guys couldn't step up.
So and that says it was definitely gone.
Ragnar doesn't yet.
I mean, doesn't make it better like that series.
But like my thing is, you know, like I would like to see.
I'd like to see them live.
My thing. We're looking right now. They're great.
Abels on their own pace for 70 wins.
Don't forget Lakers of three games behind them, but whatever.
Like, you know, you have a bus for on pace to look to.
Do I? If I see them other props years against the heat, I'd be worried if I'm the Bucks.
I'm just saying, until you look at the numbers games they lost both times, but he'd have a good system.
They have to have a friend like a stop.
Be honest. And if you stop gone playing down the other guys.
Only guy who has any type of off ceiling making ball creation is Chris Milton.
Those other guys are LeBron here and me downs.
If you talk about dellavedova, I'm sorry.
Back with Cleveland, you're talking about like George Hill and stuff like that like we know we soften Georgia.
We saw in the finals against the Warriors.
Okay, I don't think we're seeing and we in Bledsoe ran away from Scary Terry.
I think he lost all Bolivia mama game in the playoffs.
So I'm saying is if you take ah strong system and defend check out, Young simply gets like a go to shot.
And I'm not saying this because that's the tagline of everything.
But, like real talk, if you can form a wall and make things tougher when you saw the Raptors who looked it up, then what you gonna do? That's my argument.
And that's why I think he's MDG this year by virtue of the week stats.
All of that Congrats.
But I don't think it run away as it is, especially when, like a lot of its ah, no, they were on pace for them.
They didn't get that like, I'm not saying this or that, like based on where they are right now with great.
But it's not like the Bucks are miles away from the Lakers is literally a three game difference.
It's not like the player LeBron is that much less than the honest is down it.
But LeBron's had a great year to one of seven have gotten overlooked like it's not that huge.
It's not like the honest of NDP. Great.
But like, I don't like the whole land side thing.
It's only landside because I've been saying it's been a landslide from October.
That's where the narrative comes in.
And like, that's the part where I feel, like, gets most over recognition rich.
And that's as it is.
Um, it zao these guys vote, so Okay, Yeah.
Okay. But we gotta talk about something.
You gotta You gotta tender.
You gotta share some of your stuff.
You gotta get down to some historic stuff now.
Because and I'm ready to rant.
Can people go? Got a little holes? No.
And V p Snow's nobody.
And I mean, let me take a look.
Yeah, I had a couple at a couple of I got some too.
So, whatever. I mean, I've been talking too much.
I think we got it.
We gotta kick it off a child.
But then we got we got back to me, and I'm ready for these.
I've been waiting.
I want to see what you think about some of these, uh, you go first.
You go for my various one was Steve National Cody.
Uh 06 Thank you.
That that little six so sick.
I remember being a kid, like watching that I was like watching Kobe.
And I never like the Lakers obviously being a warriors fan, but, um, just watching Kobe just were reviewed every night, just like you.
Everything's got, He's got everything.
I start schematics eating actors.
Obviously, I saw a player like you put it like 19 and 10 Insulin.
But Kobe averaged 35 broke? Yeah, there's 3500 season like that does insane.
I think that would work with big snubs of all time.
Kobe should recipe.
You could not have had just 20 feet.
And But I hear with the biggest, uh, in my opinion dates now I feel like after also after watching area uh, what's called the last dance? I don't know if this is a margin of snow, but the Malone over Jordan gotten one.
Any bowl we want static 96 97.
I thought bottom, I think just cause of ah, it was called just cause of washing the last dance, but, like, kind of like did some researchers And re enough that and I don't know if I Cardiss tomorrow just got both.
He is a great, um, Malone was amazing.
So Jordan on a so I can't and I wasn't alive.
So I can't really say it was never not, but you ingredients of stuff.
And after washing life stands on my dan.
How did not return repeated here, but, um, you know, beat in the final.
Jordan, I'm with you.
I gotta pick you back.
You wanted the Kobe ah, national because I the sounds did win 54.
That was college.
He did put him a 50 40 90 season.
The calamari for three games, Like 30? Yeah.
Yeah, like that's insane.
But if we're looking at it entirely like it had to have been Kobe, especially when he was the first, the second before, and the fifth offensive option left out the third become to give that third option tomorrow.
Okay, But like everyone before that, Yeah, and I mean, look at this, You know, they beat them in the playoffs to that year, right? Uh, I don't know.
the Suns beat the Lakers that year.
Okay, maybe at most six and 75 minute.
But like, What's crazy to me about that? It's I look at that Kobe year as the base comparison to the Russell Westbrook 27th NMB PC's because yes, like you put a monster numbers and the team's success was only marginal.
I mean, I think they both lead the team.
Like I think, um, also let them like the 6/5 succeed or whatever the case may be called the lead.
This team to the seventh had the fifth highest effective field goal percentage rear.
And these the other Lakers who averaged at least 50 minutes per game that season.
You had tomorrow great.
And now we immediately go into Apollo Crap.
Smush Parker, Kwamie Brown, Chris Meme, Devon George Our feel, the Sacramento Kings head coach, Luke Wall in Ryan Cook and sauce of religion.
You put anyone else that you put shack that year, you could put LeBron that he was kind of, and you put national on that team.
They're not winning 45 games.
Maybe they're winning 35 games.
They're not winning 45 games in the Western conference.
I was still very tough of the time with the conflict.
It was kind of rising to You're just not getting it.
Oh, and by the way, Andrews on which Rose deserved.
I'm totally on that.
I'm saying that's my closest comparison, because that was a total stop.
Nash had booked the the energy behind it.
I mean, he did was that No.
205 was when he turned the team around from 20.
I think they were 29 or 20 and 29.
I just want after the 3 16 2005 well deserved, 06 not a chance, you know, five, said Shack.
But just that single season, I think that's why I think and like Steve Knight, who's Who's There's one. Everybody.
Oh, yeah, like that somewhere like that that I understand is less certain like that.
That team, looking back in history, deserves recognition.
Steve Knight, deserters and everybody, that's what sickness isn't around.
Put pro like the this, your buckets and Shaka earlier, in terms of like choosing every piece picking every piece, this stats on our is just so insanely different, like Mashabane.
Yeah, double double Kobe average 35 shooting. Whatever.
Like what is she like? All right, he had he had his 35 555 Yeah, Or nor at that time would have let anybody close to 12.
No, just that was my biggest one yet.
5 a sissy shot 45% from the field.
27 shots tonight, 27 Next one was Lamar ornament. 11.
Shot, six threes a night.
Made 34% of votes.
I mean, just crazy.
What's the free throw line? Turn comes and I 85% from the free throw line like the dude was a monster.
Do you want the monster? And then after that, the model for 14 points a game, smooched with 11 Chrisman with 10 and that's it for your double figure scores for the seasick.
Like that's a wrap.
Yeah, yeah, which gives no badly guy when he cooking on and then not be no grizzly.
I want a lot of thinking about this.
I was thinking about this and there is ah, hot Take Hill that I'm willing to die on that we won't go down the path of No, no.
Well, guys, end of that.
It has its eyes ended.
And this one is so tough because so long ago and there was a distinctive, like lack of tablet and marketable players.
And I understand the arguments.
But there is no way to me that Kareem Abdul Jabbar won six MBPs and the 70 I don't know.
You're placing with Roman.
I'm I don't have a comparison or replacement.
I just don't think he should have won six.
What? I wasn kind case for someone who might without you cut out my bad.
I don't think Kareem sure wants six MBPs in the seventies.
I think they threw him, Eddie because there was no one.
No, I'm good popular is Mark.
Like statistically is hard to make the argument forward.
Have to look at the other things.
I'm gonna go to one that is a little easier to debate.
And I'm going to call my lawns Second and VP order.
It was it was not you, not me, not you know, I'm is not your Yeah.
Yeah, um, so looking at it, Carmos, 35 years with you saw still Looks like you played 37 minutes average swing around up 24 points. Nine rebounds.
Forces shot 49% 9.
So willing to it the second place position Jin was Alonzo Mourning, which is an interesting game, but I did not expect to see pop up in the M.
I think a lot of people forget about Alonzo Mourning in that regard you with that time.
So I know was young.
They use Miami at that point.
Um, really average 2011.
He was born in the left with four blocks.
Um, but I'm looking down below here, and I'm just going like, I mean, Tim Duncan is right there.
He lived the Spurs championship.
They had a great regular season road in your you know, I think he had a legitimate case Shack, I think had a legitimate case down below, uh, playing like, three minutes less, averaging more, Have a great team.
I mean that that's one year to me that just sticks out to me.
Um, when I was looking back because I was going to say Kobe and I was gonna say, uh, the other example. Just go.
Blinking over your the other Maloney v p.
So, yeah, I caught both My So I just kind of scrolled through here.
Kind of looking at him.
Uh, just full out.
I got one for you.
All right, so I got to.
But first we gotta talk.
About 10 dunk in 2002 San Antonio Spurs.
He said he shouldn't.
Allen, you should not have wanted, like, one of those little three.
Uh, this was old two or three.
From now or no, This was this 2001 season to know Tonto because Shack was in shock. One again.
I gotta check to make sure.
Now, I Look, I put the years down and put the actual seasons down.
Okay? So let me make sure why I'm here. Power the network.
So you if you have them two of that 12 and three year he won.
It should been Jason Kidd, Did you? Jason Kidd spots will be stuff that you have in one that might have edged in the wrong way.
uh, negatively affecting the narrative he spoke of.
Also, Maybe they felt that he should have one before that.
In a couple of years.
I'm not sure, but Jason Kidd went to the New Jersey Nets and did.
Basically we just talked about with Steve Nash and the Suns taking scene that took.
That's up from the train, 1923 wanting, trying, Not yet 20 went into the best team in the entire MBA that took the New Jersey Nets from a 26 17 52.
That same team, they just added Kid to it.
14 points, nine assists, seven rebounds.
Okay, we get it.
Defensively, though. The intangibles.
They're willing the Nets to win as many games they did and bring them to their first trip to the NBA Finals.
Come on, I'm just saying, if that Duncan had a great year.
25 points, 12 rebounds, two blocks.
Those numbers weren't too different from the year before 22 12 and two.
I guess it's pretty similar, but like we were talking about that single handed transformation, a team from the cellar dwellers New East to a quote unquote contender.
I think Jason Kidd won that year.
That's a fair point.
And then well, they talk about the team.
They want us to talk about the d Rose here.
Oh, that's the obvious window, but yeah, you at you And I don't know if I agree with that.
I think the Rose deserve that.
Got you can't just say that you got you got You got explained that because I know a lot of my my data right now.
Okay? It's another thing.
We're all kinds, and it's like they took the day grows.
Yanda's narrowed to train, and they rode that.
I would like to point out that LeBron was actually third in voting that year as well, Right? The white was second.
I would give up your right over the dross I wrote the the a being the youngest M v P.
I think you're something special.
So in terms it was is what, second season? Third season that that it set down.
It's up 22 or some 2122 insane.
They had the best record.
They had a better record in the same conference of LeBron LeBron.
Like he had rain way too.
And Chris Bosh on Steve and D.
Rose still had a better record at 22.
I don't want to hear any other like arguments that he beat him in this own record.
What do you average that it wasn't like he was playing like to see what he averaged? Repeat that 25 48 Pretty much.
Meron was 27 77 Like both putting up stats Narrative goes to D Rose.
Youngest dude best around Chicago Kid.
Um, I get where you can say LeBron's may.
I don't think you got robbed while you could. Oakland.
I could see how you would think that LeBron could win.
But to say that you got robbed from heroes, I think the Rose definitely, yes.
I mean, why are point of contention? I see why it's such a hotly debated MVV.
I don't know just in this regard, like to me just looking at it.
I test and other various features are factors.
Points in the rose.
But this my thing, I think, and I think Andrew just said it.
It's really because everyone hated LeBron's decision.
LeBron's decision worked out horribly for his narrative and dare growth being the Yunque in Chicago was the best one for his night.
If you look at the stats, it's no comparison on any spot across the board.
LeBron Beef D Rose Little Mercury statistic, including twice the number of rebounds, 2.
7 behind by assist.
Points behind bile assists and the roads of the offense in neutral cheese like LeBron just did it better.
LeBron was better, like straight up the entire time.
Look at head to Head D.
Rose and the Bulls owned in the regular season, and LeBron and the Heat made quick work of the Bulls big, including Corner.
Even by that, I still give it Taliban.
They were going my best record and narrative thinking about narrative.
You get it going my best record an out if you get it.
Honestly, if we're going valuable nous, I almost want to say you get it on that, too.
What do you waiting? Chris Bosch? Dude, we've seen D.
Wade and Chris Bosh in previous stops.
Yeah, I got everything and we wait here.
Maybe they figured out they were nice.
It was that first year teacher.
I know they struggle in the beginning of the season.
But then the after life, you also went there.
That is not in my resignation back.
They went like 27.
Something's up here.
Yeah, that was That was the year before, I think.
No, no, they made the last time the heat.
Last time there were about 879 You, your your Well, I everyone by numbers, there's no way D Rose gets it like his numbers were kind of middling.
It's to the point now that he might be one of the only MBPs did not make the Hall of Fame like I'm sorry.
I didn't mind a lot of that.
I was attorney, even guard.
He had a couple.
He had one great year with the Bulls.
He means 100 peer with the Bulls is career got cut short by injuries, but not like Grant Hill did more like pinch art away.
Did you know where he was? A good player.
Who exactly? Now he's been a journeymen guard for a couple of teams and no, I don't see it.
I'm not I'm not sound like that.
I could see the whole thing or even that's fair.
I Pete should not be in the Hall of Fame and Rosa a job just finding his police in that stays game and making a spot.
And he's still a solid player, but he's not gonna be calling.
And so it really does, if anything, that that that that M.
V P year helped roses like I don't know if he deserved or not.
I kind of hedging.
I kind of feel that LeBron did, even though by my own rules I have to go with zero so well by my own little market, I have to go deeper.
So, like, if you look at it, yeah, I'm a bit like it's not gonna make him in there there but like that.
M v p was probably the best thing for his career, given Alistair, not afar, looking back on it to those IV's.
So let's talk about our side.
I mean, you have a bad way traded midseason? Yeah, that you go from MPP to market Patty, give your own like arrival to me and then just five chips.
You won't be found out.
Maybe in coming for me and running offense while I'm out.
Now, a lot of that was and the started falling.
So I want to knock on the roads too much for yeah, I was looking at you, you know, it's cop and they didn't have that last hurrah with 2015 Bulls in the playoff against LeBron.
Yeah, there are up to 200 politica oh, broken before your side pieces.
There is one more I have to talk about.
Charles Barkley, 1990.
Yeah, Philadelphia 76 were a crappy team.
Charles Barkley had 25 points and 11 rebounds, four assists, almost two steals and 60% from the field, 60% for the field for 65 generously labeled 66 Power forward, who somehow managed to 27% from three because he liked the three ball back then, even if the three bodies like him and led on Eastern Conference team, where your best players were Mike Tyminski.
And And if I'm talking about this right, Earthsea Hawkins to, like, ah, high seen in Eastern Conference under way.
Yep, and you start the Bulls, you start the Pistons.
The Bucks were started, got a bunch of teams in the Eastern Conference, Then the Celtics You still around? He led them to a top spot with numbers like that, just putting that team on his shoulders.
I didn't realize he was 42 inches total.
Yeah, he played some good teams in with 76 years.
He got fortunate a lot.
And the Hornets.
Hawkins, Hawkins also saw squad tonight.
He knew where to get him.
Blood going back to going back to Miami.
It was given to match Johnson, who you did.
OK, but like if we're being completely riel again, we're going by regular season award.
Then this was fine because you, the season this is the first year after you have do the bar have retired and we're going to, um, what happened first, other criminals are retiring.
A lot of the narrative was on.
What would magic do in the absence of, even though I'm doing riding in the same for like, four years? But whatever, he said, we're not there.
He had 22 points a game.
Greatest system out shot 48% from the field.
Mind you, Charles Barkley shot 60 on a much better team.
You still have James Worthy and Byron Scott filling the wings.
You started very solid team for the Lakers.
Worst of this is all across the board, but because the Lakers won 10 more games, 16 53 then and top C in the West with the end of squandering losing to the sounds in the playoffs that year, they gave the NDP matchup.
Matt Johnson had months.
MVP's deserved that when he didn't and to run off of the column.
Nothing did win the 93 MBPs, but he should have had two because in 1990 probably is Beth work when I need it.
83 was a lot more narrative based because going from a bad 30 team to a great sons team them having a 62 and 20 record.
You know, all this good stuff.
A lot of that attitude with the SATs back then were much more impressive.
And this was broccoli, this pine.
By the time he got to the sons, he had the two or three good season without a injuries in the playoffs, and then she so I nto you could have a monarchy looking him over Charles for his actually deal work pretty easily.
Yeah, and 93 just looking at good post that his Charles had 26 12 5 assists.
Deal and 1/2 in a block on 52 30 from downtown Akeem had 26 13 3.
5 cylinder, four blocks on 53 there.
That for blocking, I mean.
And of course, you have Jordan lurking right there in the third spot.
Always an option.
I can definitely see the 100 shows like Subjective this and the M V P Award is like it's This comes on and like you can be sure you can argue for 234 dive back in.
You can. You can map.
You can give it to somebody one year Like you know, five years online will be debating that 20 years done run, you know, left 30 years on the run.
Um, I think it's cool.
Guys just don't get it.
But, um um, content wise, just discussion.
You never copies like this who's who deserved it, who did it.
So All right, so now we're talking, But let's hop in here because I know my Kaminski is not will be in this discussion for much longer.
Some record and you put aside four boxes for making the elite side piece.
All right, I got three.
Besides, good guy like you would be like a six on your own, but like eight or nine alongside the top dog, you gotta be a thing.
Kyra Higher Airman's like almost like he's like, borderline like Not he's Portland, Maine.
He's like between a main do tie.
He's trying to elevate beyond that, but you just keep doing stupid things like himself in a corner. But year.
Okay, the way right.
Perfect side pieces.
Quite perfect time, Diego.
Someone who can explode four big games on or you know you have that exactly.
Exactly that Madre Madre Mountains like you.
You're like you know your matter, you to other side pieces and you want to go talk to beginning with another level.
I mean, that's after the game.
7 2016 Like he's kind of with him.
Be like someone who is Yeah, I think you're pretty light.
I would say like somebody like Clay, you put you put him on his own team.
I must say they're not going good.
You just not gonna be as, uh, valuables years.
Two warriors are like, You'll be great looking around.
You put up number in terms of maximum effectiveness for me.
So something that clear, I would say it is like a hurry.
Signed peace, too.
Step like any other.
Put him on any superstar.
LeBron hand strong.
How that roof Exactly.
And see how that team does without the main player there.
So I put more Williams, Obviously, Clay Thompson wanted had ah, Mari styling Myers when I had even going back further.
James Worthy is why Scottie Pippen's another I had you take out that main person.
And what are they doing with Grace, right? He's just because of how great Jordan was.
But you like Scotty in those two years that Jordan was playing baseball like they still had, like, 50 some wins made the conference finals with years of Stalin, but they take it over the hump.
There was no you run looking ago.
Okay? Wow, Their win, the whole thing.
That never happened.
And then even when you know, by the time 98 happened, study was order anyway, So I don't give a nondescript, But he had a great 2000 team that in the blues once.
That was done exactly once.
He lost out to the Blazers once it lost to the Lakers that year, show the one that got something but never done like Skies on the tale.
And I'm saying that if you had one last gasping on a seven game against AH Young team, that was led by Shack, whose previous Finals experience against slept and playoff experience of Spotty and Kobe had had extensive play experience, and some old vets on the Lakers who pretty much kind of beating down, including a Ron Harmer who played with Scottie Pippen.
I'm saying that we have a team with some young guys who are hungry, some established vets, and you can take one game and leave them all.
And it happened.
It didn't happen.
They have the 15 point collapse in the game, 71 1975 in the second half in the third quarter on the four with the pain of losing.
The whole day may not be on Scotty Big night.
Scotty had the pretty good Siri's that year was like he was holding a thin rope He was after that year, But Scotties, like the creme de la creme of side piece to me because he's still a very good player.
I still think you can get all the fame.
Obviously, my Jordan immensely helped that, but I would have 40 solid piece in.
Chris Bosh was always very, very solid, supporting peace.
He was always a great second banana who compose as a first banana.
That's I look at it, but, yeah, those are those the rules I have.
Like you're someone who has the variance and you're getting that you can stand out and put a team on your back for a couple months.
Couple games, couple Siri's.
But it's not a long term thing.
And if it is, you know your team is cap.
It's a player who really saw a player in general but looks that much better.
Almost overrated, because he's playing with someone who is even more superfluous.
Thomas Lipton will be a South small for the MBA, no matter what.
Because Milton is like, amazing can place alongside the honest right.
You know, Damian Little is an interesting one, Logan.
Like that would be Yeah, Maybe he is.
What? He is at the head.
First, he's playing, and yeah, you're right.
You don't mean like, these are the kind that I'm thinking about, that they're like, they're just they don't have it in them to be a top piece in general.
And I don't consider former stars who be came side pieces like Clyde Drexler leading those of the Portland teams in 1990 1992 and then as he aged, he mesh better with a key.
I don't look at that again.
We saw that I could do.
That team was solved.
They didn't do it and he was a great side.
Ah, sidekick for a key.
I don't look a former Stars who are going back like Anthony Davis is an interesting one.
Anthony Davis will be one that will consider.
She looks great.
Plan against someone who is better or playing with something better on his own.
You could see what we get, but that you've also seen a lot of years where you know exactly how far you're going.
That's another question.
What do you think right now? What they are going to be good, like like like you were looking her.
I think we take any member of the group inside their a team of good side pieces of the Grizzlies are, you know? Yeah.
I think that I was like that.
Make That's a compliment, I think.
You said it, Chris.
Fact, that set the first one.
I get my crew stops and BUCA.
I think I got something.
Got potential to be special.
I think game won't leave for them.
Well, that's the thing I think is gonna go down a little, You know, a perfect in Paris in the name Lillard in terms of a side piece.
Again, this is a great example.
Right now I can't without this.
Ah, great side piece is because he's playing in his one area for his entire career.
Is going to be the best person on a team, Even though, you know, you're only going a certain as far as you have. Like a cap, too.
Game Luit to Portland is what Reggie Miller is to the cases they needed someone to play with.
That was better than that, and they didn't have it.
And so they think I get Reggie Miller me was really Well, yeah, just remind the only thing I don't think like howling games, everything to be able to get to the finals like Reggie was able to get the finals.
But he had Jalen Rose.
He had Mark Jackson like he had yet, but he was Time was more start to at least get him over the hump of getting over his own conference.
I don't think James ever did not the West.
Oh, yeah, like I don't know how they like they needed it like you could like.
I don't know who they'd go out and get, like with the team as they're currently constructed.
Like if it kind of build around it like he's already just turned 30 today.
So, um, yeah, in terms of longevity has left.
And with the teams aren't we see that this year was a perfect year for the blaze.
They did Congress finals last year.
They couldn't get over words.
They pretty much came out the same team.
But, you know, obviously injuries happen.
But you that's the time when you would want a Damian Lillard to be like, Yo, this is my time to shine.
I was almost there last year.
Let me go out and shop the world and they're a fringe playoffs when it's not gonna get easy where we'll be back next year.
The saying We have the discussion last week like there's gonna B 12 teams find braids, boss.
So I don't see Daniel would ever getting out of the West unless he gets out of Corman and join somebody.
Which, why that would be great side.
He's, um, but, uh, exactly staying in Portland shots air for the trip.
I break up exactly.
No, God made a great point like he's not going up the way.
And that's why I said the whole regiment of thing, even then regiment of the Perfect Storm.
Like I look it again, You don't even go down to the regiment was like before at the time that they made the finals.
But we're gonna compare right down to that.
All the cases, a different Then the then the believers did.
Aside from facing a much better team, you know, the blaze had to go through the Warriors and at the end of the pace, had to go through a mix which was a very solid team.
But the next great it made the finals the year before.
It's an eighth seed and they weren't that much better the year afterwards.
In water past you, they just took advantage of their chance, you know? I mean, you have a bad landing.
You hadn't got together yet. The Miami he were fading already.
The Knicks were fading, but we're still in the mix.
If the Pacers to stay consistent.
Jalen Rose ascended.
It was a perfect storm to get there.
And even when they got there were there was no chance in the head.
They were getting it for the Lakers.
It was the blade is they probably lost.
They would just have to get their You know what I mean? The base is best chance of 1990 it with the Bulls.
When they had that Game seven and they lost that I was making.
And when? Because they had a deep team that my 2000 hadn't gotten old like 98 was I will get is are desperate on.
We have to trust now.
By the time they got to thousands like, well, you know, Rick Smith retired right after that.
Reggie Miller, at that point, was still the best guy, but only because he was in Indiana then it wasn't leave, and they didn't make the team better.
And, you know, Neil was just being understanding a year after that.
It just didn't work, you know? Well, im honey, Yeah, it's a perfect ****ogy.
And you're right, like game is going to be that people loved important gonna be great there, you know, maybe rack up enough points, accolades and all star games, whatever to be, ah, Hall of Fame.
I don't see an M v p in the future at this point, but is this not gonna happen? And I look at I could see a Drew holiday is a great side piece.
I could see who was sitting about sisters.
You think you're a star player or not? You want You know what I mean? Like you make pregnant are worse.
I'd say about Paul George, one of the most perfect signed pieces and lead.
I would say Paula Georgia's well, like that makes sense to me.
I remains to be seen what Karl Anthony towns is because if you're not a side piece, but you're on a horrible team like I don't consider that a yea for, you know, I mean like looking up and down.
Everyone is what Devin Booker is.
We don't know what Ben Simmons is.
We don't know, you know.
I mean, he's one of the the top pieces, but until him enjoy Long Beach.
But we don't know about that.
Brandon Ingram is another one.
As far like young guys who are in the N B A right now we're having Kevin loves interesting.
In my opinion, I don't anything.
When he was the main piece, they didn't win.
And when he was 30 they wanted to use 1/3 piece with LeBron and Kyrie.
So I don't even know if you've ever seen as like that second in the ground.
Yeah, he was never ***ual water.
Like why? I'm like, he's toys too old.
Now, I just don't think he's gonna because he could get me.
Maybe in under the recounting this Um, yeah, that's a wrap.
You said it, Kevin.
Love it happened for, like, let's see how, like what is that so many? No, I was you say Janet Jackson Jr to like that.
That's a nice I depends on how they like developing stuff with John's.
Like another group but there's a lot of young guys.
Old Molly, 80 Cardinals.
Those guys are one more kill force for Adlai Deal.
Bradley Beal could be one.
You know, like these air, Some guys and young guys I'm looking at.
Who knows what the Aaron Fox will be, You know? I mean, Jayson Tatum looks like he could be a main do, but we'll see.
You know? I mean, like you guys are, Donovan Mitchell looks to be a ah, Damian Lillard right now for me, in terms of like, they're gonna as decry for you, you know? I don't see it.
I think he needs his own better than him.
It just doesn't have that with you know what I mean, But these guys are looking at some of my tray young.
That's an interesting one.
It is interesting one.
Um, great for me and Trey, it raises interesting just cause I feel like the game's gonna change towards his place out in the next five.
This year, we're going to see guys playing like staff going electric where trail will be.
We're guy who could be like a stupor star kind of player black in bed like I could also see it being a perfect I put trade and doesn't go together, I guess to side piece kind of guys that I think would be great together, trade calling the town.
Um and so I've been tracing to be kind of his place.
I was going to be way more, uh, was the word like, it's gonna be way more suited to his place.
Thou as as his career goes on.
Compared to a lot of these other guys, I got one right here.
I got a hot one.
What do you think about? And this is who I think could be a side piece or is one? Well, he just doesn't know it yet.
Nicole Yokich school.
I know these little piece right now.
Because he asked to be, you know? What do you say that? Because I was about just say, Jamal Murray.
That's what I was about to spit out.
So that's where my my way and it may be because I got into a debate the other day about job versus Jamal Murray on TWU butter.
But how I'm Jamaat Perfect number.
I think he's a 32 but I think in Denver right now he plays that to to Yokich is one.
And I think Corbyn Yeah, maybe.
Or something where yoga is, She could realistically be a to No, I Oh, yes, Perfect.
Yeah, I was going along with you in that regard, but I I wasn't gonna say it right.
It's like 23 or 2017 wizards like Bradley Beal and John Wall led that team or lead those teams.
They both ideal twos.
I don't see either of them as the number one go to guy.
But just because you have a twos and threes and you decide that cares, they're the best you got.
There gonna be your ones and twos.
Doesn't make them once and to do you know what I mean? Like a two, in my opinion, are Andrews is making a point about how it's you can have the ball in his hands for some reason.
I think a to have to have some limits.
In some ways, they're not.
They're not partners.
Anthony Davis and LeBron.
Some has to give the ball to 80 80 has iffy mid range shot creation.
A D could be taken out of the game.
You bring someone LeBron, who was still dominant but at this stage of his career, needs a star player that could eat up.
And it's an eat up points and they work.
Send biotic together.
They're both solid players, but that's the difference.
Or like we just mentioned John Wall and Bradley Beal.
Things number one.
No, I think, Yeah, I totally agree.
But I think I could hear what you're saying.
Too insensitive having ball in your hands.
But if if you're number two is distributing of all your number one, and that's why I like it like a Benson, it's time.
Play out these number two and like you bring.
If he's a guy that many has blown, he's getting the body. Your number one player.
Some of that Yokich was gifted with court vision.
Great passer can put up numbers.
Um, you have him handling the ball.
You got a guy coming off Just scoring.
You get him our number one kind of play that can go score.
Did you just get your buckets? I think facilitating is different than like your number two having it to try and, like, get their own stocks for their own shots stuff.
But if you got number two trying, sir Cake thes addicts always said like snapper.
And I see Yoki terminated.
Got stepping quite coming off like that would do Would be being number two on that scene with Steph Clay and drain on Jochen should be the number two, but you would be the perfect number two for that team.
Like, plays like that who steps to number one.
But you got your freedom of all doing shots for everybody around.
So I think it depends on how you used the number two house I used other using the ball, but, uh uh, totally agree.
For the most part, I feel you Israel, it is different because, well, I got a lot mainly hit the lead on some of this, but I'm with you right there on that.
I just think, like even with we're talking about yoga.
Yokich in lieu? Yeah, they be attacks on defensive end.
Yokozuna wins would be like, just run out the building over and over.
You think my treasures and that Oh my gosh.
But I feel like Yokich, either a really, really good point guy, like a staff or something like that or shot creating facilitating wing who can take over.
I want to, like 80 or something, but someone like that who's dynamic with the ball can create his own shot effortlessly and your pay with someone who you don't want to run the on time you want to run the offense.
Doing around is not going to go and get you like 40 and 20 rebounds and 10 assists with someone hand in glove.
You know you could work the offense.
Doing this guy can play off.
This guy can read it on offense, even like Kyrie will be really interesting for Nicole Yokich type, because a week ago often would not lined and you have someone else on the offensive end again.
Defensively is where the struggles live.
But, I mean, I guess that's why they think I think drew holiday be such a good match.
It wouldn't be a number one, maybe two number cheese, but maybe two number twos that match really well together.
But what do you what do you think you got the number twos or anything.
I don't be gotten Khatami and got you a e told me. Fine.
I'm always down with being the number two here.
Don't don't think Oh, my God.
OK, but no, I No, We're talking about this and and I've got to call players that comes to mind about, like, where would they fit? You know, And like you talked about those old Wizards teams on the as John Wall and Bradley being in, like, who was next? Out of order.
You're not important.
Zach Lavine is That will be the number one.
Does Chicago have a number one? No, no, I guess, Yeah, I guess you'd say Zach Lavine, what would you I was used their number one, but he's not a war.
Yeah, I was thinking about a lot of something about a lot of players in this area, like words De lo, What is de lo number three deals? Do you close? A deal? Would be a fantastic to really three on it.
I would I don't think that's why aren't more.
That's why I didn't want him to get traded because I wanted to see m r.
Three with the warriors like defense.
It would be tough, but staff Clay deal.
I thought it was gonna be a perfect fit for deal those kind of play and just his role would have been perfect.
So I think you would be a perfect three.
So, Corbyn, I have I have a question for you.
Talked about Donovan Mitchell, right? Uh, yeah.
Who do you if you keep you keep say, you keep mentioning Go care.
Who do you add to that? To elevate? Who was the one for them? For the Jazz? For Donovan Mitchell.
That's a good question.
Who? I feel like you need it on.
This is the most sought after commodity, an MBA.
But he was shot creating.
Wait, who won't get played off the floor? Defense of the United? I'm some big Middleton guy, but that would just be funny, man.
Like I'm just imagine, like, playing to gate and you pick the jazz.
And that's like the ugly is to Katie Tok.
But you got there.
It really would.
I mean a Brandon Ingram type of work for them.
You just need someone who's I don't know, you know, like they Yeah, you have a guy like the role that Gordon Hayward played is kind of what they need, because I think Donald Mitchell could take the shots, you know? I mean, like, you can be that guy, but you can't just go to him for your soul offense.
Joe Ingles is already he's a great role player.
He's only 32 is only gonna go down from here, or at least a as the type of player he is.
Um, Gobert's already lose limited offenses once the ball can't do too much with it if he's not done there laying it up, huh? I'm sorry.
I said joining us to Oh, so you these Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
We'll talk about playoff p in this in this.
Now, I don't time my playoff when he were the son New Jersey And I'm now like but, like, I mean that it was different in that way, you know? But if you get a guy like that with the jazz, I think you make in a way that you go through one player whether that is going to be the Chris Milton we talked about or like a Brandon Ingram or someone who can take the ball and kind of be that guy.
Jimmy Butler will be great.
They're not gonna be the Alfa.
I mean, if they have, the Alpha personality is great.
At end of the day, you just someone there who can tie it all together.
Right now, you have a bunch of really solid role players, led by a great second option.
Left the masquerade as the number one that only gets you so far.
Usually the second round, you know? I mean, that's a lot of for us.
A lot of teams are like a lot of teams have great number tunes, but they just don't have a number one con players like That's the best you could argue to.
Can you grab it to you four twos and threes that get you get you over the hump, which I think is possible that you get the right guys around $2011 Mavericks.
I mean, you think there's a too difficult turkeys in that note? Well, I mean, OK, that's true, but I'm saying you hadn't won it in a bunch of threes.
I don't think anyone of that out of my 16 was the number two I would give.
I will give Dirk a number one year.
And the way he went through clubs only confirmed it 1 10 11 But after that, a bunch of number threes.
74 Pisces will be a great one.
I think they're a bunch of shoes and threes.
Um, I can't think of another team, I think 2015 Atlanta Hawks.
That that 2015 Land Hawks team.
That was a bunch of fours, you know.
Okay, Yes, thank you.
They did, Coach.
But it has the system.
And then I go back.
To be honest, how much of this will be given a coach but coach, but made a team affords or good? You're Weight Watchers going impact.
But I'm just saying, Here's a question for you.
Come in. Here's the question.
Sin for the German here.
Can a coach being number two or number three? Yes.
Yes, I argue, Coach could be one Carlisle Pappas.
A great GMO, Mike.
It's a good point.
Yeah, and I thought about that back when we were talking about LeBron.
I have one thing they LeBron people talk about and that you really going to is like not everyone has there been a general manager that realistically had of LeBron's talent effectively, and it took him pretty much definitely like, you know, you're going to do this.
I'm not gonna play for you or you're gonna do this or this third and making things happen for him to get what he needed around it.
You know? You know, those names were going around Twitter announced, like the show villain versus the actual villain.
And I see all of your liver on and Dan Gilbert, that's really, really true.
Like, if you give a LeBron if you give prime young LeBron like, um Assad or, um, you know, just another good owner I can think of any outside my like, you know, is not afraid.
Toe shake things up in, is willing to let go get what he needs to get.
My LeBron is probably sitting on at least six, at least in all seriousness.
I mean, e he's been very miss vanished as a player when it comes to building a lot of like, I'm not going to say love that song LeBron Bullet When You Had Yet Pat Riley and Erik Sculpture for five years.
And, um, I just they didn't capitalize the team.
So in the same like and LeBron wanted to get rid of Spoelstra at 2014 year old over the course of that feel like I'm obviously, I told the group, which saying, But like when we have seen one time LeBron did have problem management, global culture around, they bought it at a busy, hard I like in that control of life, being able to be like, I'm running this team like I'm gonna get the guys that they didn't know.
Yeah, they ran into great for me.
But maybe in 2013 2014 we'll see nothing.
And that's that.
I think about that.
That was like if LeBron gets proper management earlier in his career, and he probably doesn't feel like he has to be that aggressive and opening up front.
Oh, there's a chance, I mean, in an alternate universe.
If LeBron gets a proper GM and owner combination at the beginning, his career, he's still a cavalier.
Never let, probably because I he I think really it got to a point where LeBron had to make this decision for his career.
I don't think he wanted to necessarily leave Cleveland from a personal standpoint.
That's why you have back.
He has a lot of times there, but, like they just really didn't do what they needed to do around him and wasted a lot of really good opportunities and a lot of really good years.
I'm not saying I don't know or whatever, but like you were five, three and six, it is not.
Excuse it, six probably Plaza book.
And so you have the ended He, uh, so that he has to turn around and do really an about face personality wise, that just really simple Biaggio.
This is what's gonna happen.
Coast, LeBron gm, LeBron gm, Whatever you wanna call it like, Yes, I can be back.
Yeah, I'm not totally hundreds like that.
That one you've LeBron was younger and they were building around him or tried to release Dan Gilbert took him for granted.
He he used it very when LeBron's lead in the first time, he handed it like a six year old like Dan Gilbert Definite Lachlan.
My only point is that when we did you, LeBron and proper management.
I, like you said, probably you can attribute out having all the control that he did when he was younger.
Um, well, I asked that was Yeah, Yeah, like that.
You make a valid pull.
Put hypothetically speaking, there is nothing you can say that if things are as they should, he handled the situation better, and I would also we're lucky that LeBron was given the he was given.
Like if LeBron has average player injury history, man the capsule even worse right now.
But like, here's my thing.
If it gets sketchy, if we judged by health because then you know I know what you mean.
Like, yeah, like a lot of it.
I body type durability, the attention he gives to his body a lot.
That's a lot of work.
He does schemes of year round because we also uses before his number.
One time I saw Kobe out of the off season, and Kobe's work ethic was amazing.
But like during the summer, he was had the value Mary that uses doing his living his best summer.
And then he worked back and got right back to the code we all knew and loved during the season.
But like LeBron keeps it that way, you know? I mean, they got me some credit that really was another player like that.
Where during offseason, he lived low, You know, you did.
We had doing. They knew he'd worked back and get back there.
LeBron stays LeBron 24 7 I think I want to knock too much away from that because that takes some work and dedication to, like, go there.
You know, I mean to kind of keep that, But I'm on which one? I agree with what? You attempt a point.
I just I think even obvious is weird to me because, you know, Reggie Miller was healthy with durable late 18 years.
A lot of games, 18 years regimental.
Still Reggie Miller, not Venus.
Durable is taking the pounding registered after picks and screens is delivering at the highest level and doing it again and again and again and again.
Crew will do the bar right up and down that flow for 20 years.
Yeah, one of years.
All right. Great.
He was good, but I'm just saying no. Where near.
You know, I don't know where.
Knew that you had guys like Carmelo, who did 18 solid years and then just broke down your 19.
You know, like for LeBron only to be consistently durable.
J directs No running around 35.
I'm not just saying being healthy, but being healthy and shouldering the load of one of the best players in the game year after year here from 2003 through 2020.
Like that's what's crazy.
And I think that's what more of the credit has to go because all these other guys who played great into their careers you bring up trying to think.
Vince Carter, um, you brought Kevin Willis that Maisie played 21 years.
Moved Jumbo played a lot.
Their role changed dramatically between your and then you're 15 through the end of their career.
Kevin Willis is last 10 years.
He played 22 years.
He played about 14 of themselves after that and even tempted 14 year old from your 14 22.
You not around this half of the MBA it happened.
Will is saying, Hey, man, big guy, we need you to step up for us.
You know what I mean? We were just at the Laban.
We just expect that.
And that's what's crazy.
By the time Crew will do in the bar shot.
His last guy hook.
You had Magic Johnson squarely is the number one option.
One could debate that James Worthy was right behind him.
Then one could look at Byron Scott and then maybe a C.
And then we know that we need a big basket or the first basket.
We're gonna give it to Kareem.
So, like, it wasn't the same.
You know, we saw everything that, um, harm alone was doing and how far they went.
And he kept hitting that baseline jumper.
And I pick him well stocked with the roof off.
Yeah, and you know, you roughly was going with that.
By the time what's the Lakers? He was behind Kobe.
He's behind shack You behind? Probably Gary Pilyeon.
I I put Derek Fisher at now.
I'm kidding, but the plane being like the rules changed dramatically, so I think it's it's It's easy to say he's the healthiest, but like it's also unprecedented to say how much is able to do and the role that he's going to have Is the Alfa this long in his career? I mean, we could still debating being the best player, the MBA.
Almost two decades from when he entered the league.
Yeah, and we could still say that in the world of Johannes is in a world with co wise weakens Don't say it.
Lucas and Trace get in there and Zions weaken still say that he had a month where he took down the top three Other people talk about the n b A in terms designed being talked about.
But quien Yonas head to head with saying that you're plays on each one like I'm just saying Do little got great here now, playing right now you're looking more like Uncle Drew them LeBron James.
You're exactly right, So I don't know.
I get you know, But I think I love you mean we bring up his health and it's amazing.
I just feel like I just feel like LeBron is.
We don't have anyone else to compare to at this stage.
We really don't like maybe 45 years refused to allow you burned other guys, But LeBron's past that you don't like very bird was broken when you retire.
If you have a year without your OK? Like before.
Just like his biggest injury that I can ever remember was on growing things like last year last year, your 16 years, they seem like and even now he comes back it right back to where he is, the point that one second and then be devoting.
He's second EVP voting.
You know, the commerce didn't help you write about that.
You write about that? I'm not saying that condition.
That stuff didn't help, or I'm saying you get these guys now and playing the role of the had just compare LeBron to anyone else from that decade.
Aside from Chris Bosh, because obviously Christmas it out compared when weight do anyway, about out two years ago, now or last year, Black.
And you're really not only for you.
Like when he left Miami, he was done when he left when he left Miami.
That was his last year.
You know, LeBron gotta conserve washed king for us to even think about him is washed.
What now? And 1/2 Had we were going to come free agency and stuff.
Yeah, we're until you got what, 16 days way.
Have to do something.
Um, and yet, Tim, you and some other guys have expressed interest in doing this.
We have open spots.
Uh, I think that it is a pretty Oh, things are OK.
Uh, if you want to touch base with some of the other guys you know, just at the channel and try to see so you might get Doc informal tree go, you can go up. Six.
It is a little hectic, but yeah, the better, but yeah, yeah, I don't have my wife.
I all right, Detective, from the teacher.
You have my I don't have his while.
I'm working on it.
It's my rodeo, Nick.
And we make it work.
Consistency is was key.
And that's what really matters to your soul, I guess.
You know, we've been here an hour and 1/2.
It's a little longer than we normally go.
It was a good chat.
We had a good good one lined up some.
I'm not tripping over that.
But according how's your too much love from a lawyer's either Compared to post guys.
That's right. Just picture that.
Close your eyes and imagine Close your eyes.
And I mean, I heard people saying Vinny del Negro had to be a worthy psychical.
Just think about some later school life.
15 points and five assists tonight, dog.
I'm just saying he became all soften that I'm just trying to close out on that one right there.
You're doubling the honest makes George Hill and all started tumbling.
Johannes makes, um, Who is the guy who was just there? Oh, Eric Bledsoe An All Star.
Or or was the guy who just like Malcolm Rajan? Oh, he didn't like, you know, I mean, like, LeBron all day.
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