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so shortly to take a look for these teams ramping up for the restart players.
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I think it's going mostly OK before we do dive in when he seems wanna look at Simeone and we say hello to you.
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But we covered the Rockets yesterday and, of course, just a little too soon before.
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Unfortunately, even though he says he's gonna come down and play with Westbrook tests positive and we'll have to wait to clear.
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This is what the NBA's facing right now, right? Just the the uncer*****y of who's gonna maybe test positive.
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And then will they clear and be able to hop right in and enjoying, or are because he does linger into possibly the eight game restart and even maybe the playoffs, right? And it's Ah, it's a difficult situation.
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And I believe players have tests positive twice once they come in.
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Yeah, door to clear up and other clear right.
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Once they come in, they quarantined for 48 hours, right? And then they've got it clear.
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They've got a test positive twice negative twice before they're able to play and participate.
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That's the difficulty around.
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These bodies come in, right? Like you get that on there, and it makes you may turn out.
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Sorry, Westbrook, you you still got to wait a little longer a little bit longer, and at some point maybe not for Westbrook, the rocket is I think they have, at least in their own locker room ambition.
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But at some point, if you're Russell, Westbrook's gonna go ahead.
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Well, then I'm going like, what am I doing? Uh, I'm going home, sit around in quarantine inside of a bubble and wait to see if I could get out of it.
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So it will be interesting if it tests some of these players and their resolve to stay a part of it down there, right? And it's going to be I read an article somewhere that, you know, it's really gonna test some.
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When a player is mental 42 you know, just, you know, being there inside of one hotel room, inside of the bubble, away from the parents, away from their families, it's gonna be a struggle for some players.
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Gonna be a struggle.
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And look, I don't know how true this is, but nobody's seen but sweet from an instagram model that said, I've already been invited to come to the bubble.
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So who knows how this this whole thing is gonna Yeah, no seriously.
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Is that all being taken? It's a chance we'll know probably sooner than later how serious it is if you start to get some of those instagram posts from from inside hotel rooms and facilities.
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Of that being the case, we is being highlighted.
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Earlier, Keith, Matt and I talked about the Miami Heat and one of the other teams.
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Obviously out there in the East is the Philadelphia 70.
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Sixers had Jimmy Butler just a moment ago.
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Now he's down there with Miami and holding that foresee as they enter.
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Let's just very on the surface, man.
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How can a team like Philadelphia have been so good at home and such an inconsistent team on the road? How can you consider yourself quote championship caliber team and not be able to get wins away from your home? Your home arena? I agree.
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And you know, I feel that Jimmy Butler.
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This is just something with Philadelphia that I think is missing, and I think Jimmy Butler had an ingredient.
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This kind of just like that will, in that toughness that he brings to the table, and I think that was missing in Philadelphia this season.
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I think is gonna be missing down in Orlando as well in the playoffs.
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I just think they're missing that well by the way we were.
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So when we talked early, it's like Keith, Key said.
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He's always been a Jimmy Butler guy, and I remembered saying, and he's in Minnesota.
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I just thought, Move boy like it seems like he's a problem more than a solution but and keep pointed out really well about the idea of just a veteran player knows what it is.
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No, you know, knows what it takes to win games, to make deep playoff runs.
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That's what he tried to instill in Minnesota was meant was met with a little bit of frustration.
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Some young players got out of there.
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And to your point like Philadelphia, man, this will be highlighted was, You're a team in Simmons and Embiid.
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It just feels that they go.
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Yeah, well, this is the process we trusted the process to get you to and you have already achieved.
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There's no expectations for you guys.
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Teoh win championships is not internally, doesn't feel like and when you bring in a player like Jimmy, who again wants to be like, Hey, you want you want to win championships? You want to get to the next level? Let's do this thing.
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Let's all challenge you with the B squad and run you down in practices and that gets met with frustration to It just feels like maybe this is indicative of some young players in a lot of ways, but that it's hard to get young players to get the understanding of just getting drafted high.
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That's not the achievement that was That wasn't it is not enough.
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Just to be be pretty good in the n b A and a good player by yourself.
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It's about being a good team, and something's lacking there.
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Inside that locker, something is definitely lacking inside.
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You know, I think back and I don't want a heart back on like the old days.
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But I think back, you know, you know, we watched the last dance just how serious the guys take it in Philadelphia.
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I can't see it.
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You know just how serious they might really be.
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And maybe they're just too young to understand yet, and that's where Jimmy Butler does come in, you know, to be able to bring that respect.
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Um, because he's been on some fairly good teams.
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No end, of course.
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You, Tom Thibodeau, who was a serious coat.
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You know what? You don't eso And that's what we had a magic touch on about just how young players develop early in their careers.
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So if you're Jimmy in your under Thibodeau, you get that kind of mentality instilled in you the same way that some players get even just an offensive mind or a defence of mind.
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Or are you a well rounded player? And if you're not asked to do things on both ends of the floor, then by years 45 six.
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Listen, I'm not that guy.
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I'm not a offensive minded player.
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I score points.
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Somebody else needs to do that for me on the other end.
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And we always wonder about how much that that impacts players over the course of their career.
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You know, trust The process is obviously what they say down in Philadelphia.
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Do you think that they almost trusted the process to a fault in some ways? Because, okay, you tanked to the top, and you get.
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Indeed, you get Ben Simmons.
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Um, you eventually the bring it Tobias Harris.
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But Ben can't certain things that you need arguably your best or second best player to do mainly shoot from the outside.
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When you get that push come to show.
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We know Jimmy maybe didn't want to be there, but it felt like they decided If we can bring Jimmy back great.
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And if we can't will automatically give the money to devise hairs, as opposed to saying, If we can't keep Jimmy, then we need to take a step back here and just make sure that the next move next decision we make for our roster is the smartest one long term.
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Because otherwise, as we see now with two bias and with indeed and with Simmons and then you go go out compound, maybe by by throwing money at Al Horford.
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Now, all the sudden you got massive contracts and what I want to shake that some injury concerns, too.
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But now you're the six seed staring up me com for solidifying themselves behind the ****** books aren't going anywhere.
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The Brooklyn Nets coming next being five or 60.
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Yeah, and you know, being the next thing we talk about this all the time, Tank, right, tanking to get to the top.
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And the one is true.
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The one thing that I always harp on is that I understand.
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I've gullible losing mentality, and you never learned how to win.
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At some point, you really got to take your young guys to start grooming, grooming them toe win.
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You know, even if you just barely sniffed eight cedar, you're fighting for the eighth seed.
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You know, you got to start grooming them toe win If you always like.
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Well, what just gonna lose until we get enough draft picks where you know, we can't help but to be a good team or the team because we have so much talent.
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I just don't think that's good enough because you got to develop of the winning attitude, The winning character.
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Oh, you know, all of the little pieces that goingto winning.
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You know, you gotta develop those.
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You gotta understand how to prepare.
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Even when you're in the midst of, um, a season, you know, you're you're in January.
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You're in February.
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The dog days, right? You've got to understand how the 100 pay yourself.
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I eat right how to do all of those things to get yourself there.
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You know, when you have a young team, that's just, you know, your focus is not the win.
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I don't think you learn those things.
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And so now, when you did will become a good team.
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It's not habit for you to focus on those type of in those type of areas toe win, you know? And, you know, they brought in our whole for, uh who, you know, he wanted Atlanta.
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He was on a good team in Boston, but I'm not sure if he's dead The leader type of guy that you need with those young guys in.
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Yeah, and it makes you wonder who you know.
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Is there anyone now, at this point of Simmons and Embiid career, one of them has to be the leader and the leader in the right way.
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Because you're not bringing someone now, it feels like to take over that leadership role because it probably would have been a Jimmy Butler potentially, um, the other thing that I just think about two and you mentioned it.
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Not Teoh.
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Obviously I cover the nets and that that's thing of scraping into the eighth seed in losing to the 70 Sixers and five games last year.
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There's value in that.
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I talked about this so much this year, even though it's not gonna matter for the Nets.
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They're not gonna win anything, obviously.
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But if you look at Jared Allen, Uh, and now that I was against expensive gym anybody, well, he won't be there, Unfortunately, But even just Caris, Levert and Joe Hair, these are three guys last year.
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That's the totality of their playoff experience.
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So they're going to double that just by getting into four more games this postseason.
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So then next year, when you get Katie and Kyrie healthy on this roster, you just have the experience.
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And you had under any Atkinson this dedication to We're going to win games.
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There isn't so there's no there's no tanking tanking here to try to get this extra piece, and it just it seems like it adds value.
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It seems like these players all have that same vision understanding about it, as opposed to like you say, being in this weird kind of state of flux, where everybody in the media is talking about, well, you're tanking, your tanking tanking.
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But you're arguably have two of the better players in the league, and you're just not allowing them to go that route now.
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To that point, to that end, couple of guys, it would have cost the maybe luxury tax.
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But a guy like JJ Red****, veteran sharpshooter on the outside, value to the roster and then a young player in Marquel folds.
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There's a weirdness to me around the idea of trusting the process and then somewhat quickly saying this 21 year old, he's on the scrap heap for us.
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We don't need them anymore.
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And when I go down, I had to pull up his stats there.
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Listen, they're not explosive but started 59 games for Orlando.
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He'll be down in the bubble as well that the Orlando Magic will, in 64 games.
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That he played in 47% from the field, didn't take a lot of three dots, is not a part of his game but drastically improved his free throw shooting.
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Improved his assist numbers by two from the year prior.
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Like this feels like a kid that maybe needed a little bit of time to get his legs underneath him.
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And for an organization that spent years being like we just take our thought, we're gonna take your time.
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They very quickly bailed on this kid for whatever the next one of the next option, whatever next piece was gonna be as we welcome to keep it here he is going to be talking about Well, so we were just We were covering some of the guys Philadelphia and that, you know, the spectrum of what they've covered here.
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Mistakes may be made in committing to Dubai.
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His hair is after.
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You can't get Jimmy Butler to come back.
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But I just threw out a couple of of the lower level guys in JJ Red**** veteran understands at a shoot from the corner, Like knows his role.
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And then I was just talking about Marquel faults and the weirdness around Ah, commitment to taking your time and trusting the process. Quote unquote.
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And yet you bail on a young kid who, coming out of college had potential.
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And you're just like, Oh, yeah, this guy, this trap heat Did you Philadelphia confused? OK, we welcome you to the conversation Are they are hard organization to totally understand? Yeah.
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Ah, I never trusted the process.
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When they lost all those games, I remember how cheap their tickets were.
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I wasn't pulling up down there, but it was all trusted process.
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We have a plan.
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And now that you're seeing the plan a few years down the road, I hope there's more to it than what we've seen.
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Bias Harris.
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I don't know if you guys have seen the Toby and Boby show Tobias Harris.
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He's not gonna be able to play in Orlando because this guy Boban has been cheating on him with Luca.
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He lost his friend.
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He lost his main guy Lucas going fishing with them, playing one on one with, um, two biases.
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Worried about Boby.
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So Toby and Boby show is over.
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I don't know how he's gonna who but yeah, you talked about Fultz to Marco Fultz? Ah, I think he's going to start to really come into his own in the next couple of years.
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He bawled on us.
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He had a season high against the Nets this year and I think he's got a, you know, a year to toe figure it out and he's in a better situation down there.
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But as's faras, the process and Phillies concerned, we spoke on it earlier.
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I thought last year was their best shot with Jimmy Buckets.
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Ben Embiid.
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I don't think they really have any chance of stealing anything here in Orlando and then moving forward, they're gonna have to go get another guy.
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We talked about Al Horford two.
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We talked about a bunch of different moves and things that were made where just like, Ah, I just don't see it.
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But, I mean, I'm a big time hater on the Nets fan.
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I got no love for the sixes.
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But listen, that's I mean, listen, even even a Knicks fan and Simi and so it's not like, uh, we're not.
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We're not a lot of sense of 76.
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Um, one of the other thing.
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If you look good Oh, time.
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If you look at their salaries over the next couple of years, uh, I mean, Philadelphia is in trouble.
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Yeah.
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Do you not want to pay to buy affairs? 41 million in 2123 24.
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He is that Is that a number? That feels good, Teoh.
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I mean, between Tobias Harris, our whole foot so well in beating Ben Simmons.
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I mean, they're taking up 75% of the cat.
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I don't know what kind of moves they can make to really bring in that guy that keeps talking about that you need, you know, I don't get them over the top.
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And you would think that guy needs to be.
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I mean, I said it earlier, keep, uh, Jim, you know, Jimmy buckets is a guy that they missed.
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I think they miss.
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They just miss what he brings to the table.
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And I don't know where you get that guy with the amount of money that they're gonna have available.
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You know what's funny, too? Because it into this little pocket in my head right now is, um a guy like Chris Paul might be really well suited to help lead a team like that.
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But you have absolutely no ability to pick up that kind of contract right now, you know that these veteran players that maybe are older guys, but still playing at a high level but are in situations that hey, if you could get to a championship ready team or a team that could use the value of what? You praying that Be great.
00:15:38
But unless you're unless you're moving on, no one's No one's could knocking down your door to trade for the eyes. Harris is contract.
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And unless you're gonna look at, I think we've talked about Matt.
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And I did.
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We talked about some different people.
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Um, like Ben Simmons is off the two.
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I'm not saying you're moving either, but Ben Simmons is the movable product you're not gonna move on from, indeed, his size, perimeter shooting, all that stuff so that it becomes Can you convince someone to move on to take Simmons off your hands? And at that point, then you're saying trust road mildly successful disaster over seven years that we now need to strip down in some way.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah.
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I don't know what Philadelphia did.
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About 120 20 $120 million of the cat, which we know is four players.
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You say you don't feel compelled to respond to that? It's a disaster waiting.
00:16:31
Just leave it.
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We can leave it at that, that it's going horribly wrong for Philly.
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Um, not not to paint it, you know? Listen, they have had some success.
00:16:39
But go, does he turn our attention to the bubble? One of the things that seems to be getting pivoted on here from Ah, head coach Brett Brown is the idea of what they experimented with Simmons trying to have him run the point a little bit.
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Now they're going to take a look at adjusting that and putting him at the power forward, going into the bubble and trying to shift with.
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Ah, with Milton taking over more of those responsibilities is there.
00:17:01
This seems another layer of this.
00:17:03
Is there a simple fix for this roster? Even has constituted that.
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It's Brett Brown.
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And if you brought in a different head coach, maybe you be able to maximize the value of some of these players.
00:17:12
And it is an adjustment like this.
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Him saying, Boy, Maybe having a guy that doesn't shoot great from the perimeter, being the one who trails a play and brings the ball up wasn't our best option.
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Starting out of Simeon wants you.
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What's your thoughts there on bread Brand? Uh, me.
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I mean, I guess he's when you look at it, he's admitting that he made a mistake, right? No, I do think it's a good move, though, and it should benefit the team.
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I mean, when you look at Simmons, obviously he can't shoot the ball.
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And he refused to shoot the barking.
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He shot six threes, six threes the entire season.
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He was like two for six for the entire season, you know? So you know, you look at Shake Mill and he shoots 45% from the three point line, right? That's you know, that's good.
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That's good.
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So he could help spread the floor is not really gonna I guess he had a few games throughout the season where he wait.
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Three is he had scored, but for the most part is not gonna light it up.
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But this will allow Ben Simmons play a little bit in the low post.
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Playing the high post Joel and Beat is this somewhat respected shooter from the three point line.
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I think he seems 34 35% so he could help spread it out.
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You could get indeed in that you know, the elbow in the elbow area, low post area and he being a passer that he is, could find cutters and slashes to the basket.
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So while he may not be playing the point guard position per se, I think he would still be the floor general out there just from a different spot on the floor, where he'll be able to take advantage of maybe slower footed fours.
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He doesn't have the pressure of having to worry about shooting it from three a.
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You know when he could still kind of create.
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So I do think it could be a good move.
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Although, Yeah, I think Britain, you know, kind, admit it.
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Yeah, maybe we messed up a little bit.
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But by having to run that point, guards, listen.
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If I want to give him credit.
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Admitting that you've made a mistake and try to adjust back is the smart thing, right? Like just banging your head against the wall with it and saying, No, we're going to keep running Simmons.
00:19:18
That would be, you know, even worse scenario for him.
00:19:21
Is there a weird kind of, um, is there a bill little weird dynamic there, Keith, in terms off in some way, in some way, you almost want and be to be drifting away from the basket and threatening to shoot from the perimeter as Simmons pushes down into the low block like you want to use your big bodies in such an effective way.
00:19:39
But a lack of personal shopper Simmons makes it tricky to ask these players to do the things that you know.
00:19:45
Typically you'd want them to do.
00:19:47
Isn't it laughable? Like how we all know Simmons can't shoot.
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It's all everyone talks about.
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And so, like, you're not surprising anyone on the court.
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They're not gonna all of a sudden roll out there.
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And now Simmons is shooting 10 3 point shots like we know what they're gonna do.
00:20:01
They don't have too many tricks, and we know what they got to go to.
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And if that ain't working, it ain't working.
00:20:06
Like we saw game this year were indeed had zero points like they don't have too many tricks in the bag.
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So, I mean, whether you change the coach or not, whether you running with what Brown is talking about, like I just don't see, I think it's it's a wrap for them.
00:20:19
They're gonna have to trade some pieces there enoughto figure it out on like you said, Would Embiid and Simmons, if you're breaking up and beat.
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And Simmons, you're keeping envied Simmons.
00:20:28
What they should do is they should get Simmons toe like develop that shot enough where? Like it's showcased in Orlando.
00:20:36
It's too late to do in Orlando, but maybe next year, like he's got to shoot a little bit to kind of anti someone to say, OK, you know, he's finally develop that shot like and then maybe they can use him as bait and trading.
00:20:46
But the process? I've been looking at this process, I never trusted the process they're still processing.
00:20:52
Last year was co wide, like literally.
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All I've said is a bunch of times.
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If the ball bounces the other way, you know they might not have done it CO.
00:21:02
I goes on the win it that was their best shot, and they had all the hype.
00:21:05
But everything around them last year, We'll see what they do in Orlando.
00:21:08
I don't think so when it in the future.
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For them, it's kind of tough.
00:21:10
They kind of dug themselves in a hole with contracts and the players that they made moves to get after Jimmy buckets like, I don't know when you look at buckets, Horford, Tobias, Harris.
00:21:21
And like those acquisitions like it didn't really do much to move the needle for Philadelphia.
00:21:27
No wonder this use that we trust the process.
00:21:30
You know, processing.
00:21:31
I feel like it's the perpetual loading wheel on the on the computer screen were like that.
00:21:35
Uh, it's coming.
00:21:36
Just let let that rainbow pinwheel of yeah, we're going to get there.
00:21:42
Don't worry, just they're stuck.
00:21:44
There gonna be a competitive team, you know? They're gonna beat some teams.
00:21:48
They're gonna blow out some teams.
00:21:49
Ben Simmons will have his nights where you know you'll have a triple double and you'll be like, Wow, this guy's amazing.
00:21:54
But all in all, they're not going to beat the upper echelon teams in the MBA.
00:21:59
They're far away.
00:22:00
Yeah, I can't see it.
00:22:01
Milwaukee, Toronto, Miami.
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But they're all coming in full strength.
00:22:06
I listen to that.
00:22:10
Let the problem of all student, you trusted the process.
00:22:12
But now you're at this point like you're not getting top draft picks anymore that that phase is done.
00:22:17
You're too good to be that bad.
00:22:18
So now whatever peace you need, you have to go find it somewhere else.
00:22:22
We'll get out of here briefly on this because I feel like the proof is a little bit of the putting of the conversation without so far, but they'll come back in when they finally get restarted.
00:22:30
We'll have the Pacers.
00:22:31
They're gonna have the Spurs, the Wizards, the magic.
00:22:34
Ah, the sons.
00:22:36
They you know by the end of it, they'll get the Raptors and

Sixers coach Brett Brown reveals bold strategy change involving Ben Simmons, Shake Milton

Ben Simmons will return at 100% capacity when he resumes the 2019-20 season with the rest of his Philadelphia 76ers teammates. But the Sixers star might be doing so playing a different position. Simmons has been playing off the ball a lot during practice and experimenting at the power forward spot, according to head coach […]

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so shortly to take a look for these teams ramping up for the restart players.
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I think it's going mostly OK before we do dive in when he seems wanna look at Simeone and we say hello to you.
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But we covered the Rockets yesterday and, of course, just a little too soon before.
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Unfortunately, even though he says he's gonna come down and play with Westbrook tests positive and we'll have to wait to clear.
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This is what the NBA's facing right now, right? Just the the uncer*****y of who's gonna maybe test positive.
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And then will they clear and be able to hop right in and enjoying, or are because he does linger into possibly the eight game restart and even maybe the playoffs, right? And it's Ah, it's a difficult situation.
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And I believe players have tests positive twice once they come in.
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Yeah, door to clear up and other clear right.
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Once they come in, they quarantined for 48 hours, right? And then they've got it clear.
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They've got a test positive twice negative twice before they're able to play and participate.
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That's the difficulty around.
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These bodies come in, right? Like you get that on there, and it makes you may turn out.
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Sorry, Westbrook, you you still got to wait a little longer a little bit longer, and at some point maybe not for Westbrook, the rocket is I think they have, at least in their own locker room ambition.
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But at some point, if you're Russell, Westbrook's gonna go ahead.
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Well, then I'm going like, what am I doing? Uh, I'm going home, sit around in quarantine inside of a bubble and wait to see if I could get out of it.
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So it will be interesting if it tests some of these players and their resolve to stay a part of it down there, right? And it's going to be I read an article somewhere that, you know, it's really gonna test some.
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When a player is mental 42 you know, just, you know, being there inside of one hotel room, inside of the bubble, away from the parents, away from their families, it's gonna be a struggle for some players.
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Gonna be a struggle.
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And look, I don't know how true this is, but nobody's seen but sweet from an instagram model that said, I've already been invited to come to the bubble.
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So who knows how this this whole thing is gonna Yeah, no seriously.
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Is that all being taken? It's a chance we'll know probably sooner than later how serious it is if you start to get some of those instagram posts from from inside hotel rooms and facilities.
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Of that being the case, we is being highlighted.
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Earlier, Keith, Matt and I talked about the Miami Heat and one of the other teams.
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Obviously out there in the East is the Philadelphia 70.
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Sixers had Jimmy Butler just a moment ago.
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Now he's down there with Miami and holding that foresee as they enter.
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Let's just very on the surface, man.
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How can a team like Philadelphia have been so good at home and such an inconsistent team on the road? How can you consider yourself quote championship caliber team and not be able to get wins away from your home? Your home arena? I agree.
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And you know, I feel that Jimmy Butler.
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This is just something with Philadelphia that I think is missing, and I think Jimmy Butler had an ingredient.
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This kind of just like that will, in that toughness that he brings to the table, and I think that was missing in Philadelphia this season.
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I think is gonna be missing down in Orlando as well in the playoffs.
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I just think they're missing that well by the way we were.
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So when we talked early, it's like Keith, Key said.
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He's always been a Jimmy Butler guy, and I remembered saying, and he's in Minnesota.
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I just thought, Move boy like it seems like he's a problem more than a solution but and keep pointed out really well about the idea of just a veteran player knows what it is.
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No, you know, knows what it takes to win games, to make deep playoff runs.
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That's what he tried to instill in Minnesota was meant was met with a little bit of frustration.
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Some young players got out of there.
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And to your point like Philadelphia, man, this will be highlighted was, You're a team in Simmons and Embiid.
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It just feels that they go.
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Yeah, well, this is the process we trusted the process to get you to and you have already achieved.
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There's no expectations for you guys.
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Teoh win championships is not internally, doesn't feel like and when you bring in a player like Jimmy, who again wants to be like, Hey, you want you want to win championships? You want to get to the next level? Let's do this thing.
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Let's all challenge you with the B squad and run you down in practices and that gets met with frustration to It just feels like maybe this is indicative of some young players in a lot of ways, but that it's hard to get young players to get the understanding of just getting drafted high.
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That's not the achievement that was That wasn't it is not enough.
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Just to be be pretty good in the n b A and a good player by yourself.
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It's about being a good team, and something's lacking there.
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Inside that locker, something is definitely lacking inside.
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You know, I think back and I don't want a heart back on like the old days.
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But I think back, you know, you know, we watched the last dance just how serious the guys take it in Philadelphia.
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I can't see it.
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You know just how serious they might really be.
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And maybe they're just too young to understand yet, and that's where Jimmy Butler does come in, you know, to be able to bring that respect.
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Um, because he's been on some fairly good teams.
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No end, of course.
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You, Tom Thibodeau, who was a serious coat.
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You know what? You don't eso And that's what we had a magic touch on about just how young players develop early in their careers.
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So if you're Jimmy in your under Thibodeau, you get that kind of mentality instilled in you the same way that some players get even just an offensive mind or a defence of mind.
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Or are you a well rounded player? And if you're not asked to do things on both ends of the floor, then by years 45 six.
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Listen, I'm not that guy.
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I'm not a offensive minded player.
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I score points.
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Somebody else needs to do that for me on the other end.
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And we always wonder about how much that that impacts players over the course of their career.
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You know, trust The process is obviously what they say down in Philadelphia.
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Do you think that they almost trusted the process to a fault in some ways? Because, okay, you tanked to the top, and you get.
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Indeed, you get Ben Simmons.
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Um, you eventually the bring it Tobias Harris.
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But Ben can't certain things that you need arguably your best or second best player to do mainly shoot from the outside.
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When you get that push come to show.
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We know Jimmy maybe didn't want to be there, but it felt like they decided If we can bring Jimmy back great.
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And if we can't will automatically give the money to devise hairs, as opposed to saying, If we can't keep Jimmy, then we need to take a step back here and just make sure that the next move next decision we make for our roster is the smartest one long term.
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Because otherwise, as we see now with two bias and with indeed and with Simmons and then you go go out compound, maybe by by throwing money at Al Horford.
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Now, all the sudden you got massive contracts and what I want to shake that some injury concerns, too.
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But now you're the six seed staring up me com for solidifying themselves behind the ****** books aren't going anywhere.
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The Brooklyn Nets coming next being five or 60.
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Yeah, and you know, being the next thing we talk about this all the time, Tank, right, tanking to get to the top.
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And the one is true.
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The one thing that I always harp on is that I understand.
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I've gullible losing mentality, and you never learned how to win.
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At some point, you really got to take your young guys to start grooming, grooming them toe win.
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You know, even if you just barely sniffed eight cedar, you're fighting for the eighth seed.
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You know, you got to start grooming them toe win If you always like.
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Well, what just gonna lose until we get enough draft picks where you know, we can't help but to be a good team or the team because we have so much talent.
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I just don't think that's good enough because you got to develop of the winning attitude, The winning character.
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Oh, you know, all of the little pieces that goingto winning.
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You know, you gotta develop those.
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You gotta understand how to prepare.
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Even when you're in the midst of, um, a season, you know, you're you're in January.
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You're in February.
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The dog days, right? You've got to understand how the 100 pay yourself.
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I eat right how to do all of those things to get yourself there.
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You know, when you have a young team, that's just, you know, your focus is not the win.
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I don't think you learn those things.
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And so now, when you did will become a good team.
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It's not habit for you to focus on those type of in those type of areas toe win, you know? And, you know, they brought in our whole for, uh who, you know, he wanted Atlanta.
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He was on a good team in Boston, but I'm not sure if he's dead The leader type of guy that you need with those young guys in.
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Yeah, and it makes you wonder who you know.
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Is there anyone now, at this point of Simmons and Embiid career, one of them has to be the leader and the leader in the right way.
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Because you're not bringing someone now, it feels like to take over that leadership role because it probably would have been a Jimmy Butler potentially, um, the other thing that I just think about two and you mentioned it.
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Not Teoh.
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Obviously I cover the nets and that that's thing of scraping into the eighth seed in losing to the 70 Sixers and five games last year.
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There's value in that.
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I talked about this so much this year, even though it's not gonna matter for the Nets.
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They're not gonna win anything, obviously.
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But if you look at Jared Allen, Uh, and now that I was against expensive gym anybody, well, he won't be there, Unfortunately, But even just Caris, Levert and Joe Hair, these are three guys last year.
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That's the totality of their playoff experience.
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So they're going to double that just by getting into four more games this postseason.
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So then next year, when you get Katie and Kyrie healthy on this roster, you just have the experience.
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And you had under any Atkinson this dedication to We're going to win games.
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There isn't so there's no there's no tanking tanking here to try to get this extra piece, and it just it seems like it adds value.
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It seems like these players all have that same vision understanding about it, as opposed to like you say, being in this weird kind of state of flux, where everybody in the media is talking about, well, you're tanking, your tanking tanking.
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But you're arguably have two of the better players in the league, and you're just not allowing them to go that route now.
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To that point, to that end, couple of guys, it would have cost the maybe luxury tax.
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But a guy like JJ Red****, veteran sharpshooter on the outside, value to the roster and then a young player in Marquel folds.
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There's a weirdness to me around the idea of trusting the process and then somewhat quickly saying this 21 year old, he's on the scrap heap for us.
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We don't need them anymore.
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And when I go down, I had to pull up his stats there.
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Listen, they're not explosive but started 59 games for Orlando.
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He'll be down in the bubble as well that the Orlando Magic will, in 64 games.
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That he played in 47% from the field, didn't take a lot of three dots, is not a part of his game but drastically improved his free throw shooting.
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Improved his assist numbers by two from the year prior.
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Like this feels like a kid that maybe needed a little bit of time to get his legs underneath him.
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And for an organization that spent years being like we just take our thought, we're gonna take your time.
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They very quickly bailed on this kid for whatever the next one of the next option, whatever next piece was gonna be as we welcome to keep it here he is going to be talking about Well, so we were just We were covering some of the guys Philadelphia and that, you know, the spectrum of what they've covered here.
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Mistakes may be made in committing to Dubai.
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His hair is after.
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You can't get Jimmy Butler to come back.
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But I just threw out a couple of of the lower level guys in JJ Red**** veteran understands at a shoot from the corner, Like knows his role.
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And then I was just talking about Marquel faults and the weirdness around Ah, commitment to taking your time and trusting the process. Quote unquote.
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And yet you bail on a young kid who, coming out of college had potential.
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And you're just like, Oh, yeah, this guy, this trap heat Did you Philadelphia confused? OK, we welcome you to the conversation Are they are hard organization to totally understand? Yeah.
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Ah, I never trusted the process.
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When they lost all those games, I remember how cheap their tickets were.
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I wasn't pulling up down there, but it was all trusted process.
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We have a plan.
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And now that you're seeing the plan a few years down the road, I hope there's more to it than what we've seen.
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Bias Harris.
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I don't know if you guys have seen the Toby and Boby show Tobias Harris.
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He's not gonna be able to play in Orlando because this guy Boban has been cheating on him with Luca.
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He lost his friend.
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He lost his main guy Lucas going fishing with them, playing one on one with, um, two biases.
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Worried about Boby.
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So Toby and Boby show is over.
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I don't know how he's gonna who but yeah, you talked about Fultz to Marco Fultz? Ah, I think he's going to start to really come into his own in the next couple of years.
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He bawled on us.
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He had a season high against the Nets this year and I think he's got a, you know, a year to toe figure it out and he's in a better situation down there.
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But as's faras, the process and Phillies concerned, we spoke on it earlier.
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I thought last year was their best shot with Jimmy Buckets.
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Ben Embiid.
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I don't think they really have any chance of stealing anything here in Orlando and then moving forward, they're gonna have to go get another guy.
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We talked about Al Horford two.
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We talked about a bunch of different moves and things that were made where just like, Ah, I just don't see it.
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But, I mean, I'm a big time hater on the Nets fan.
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I got no love for the sixes.
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But listen, that's I mean, listen, even even a Knicks fan and Simi and so it's not like, uh, we're not.
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We're not a lot of sense of 76.
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Um, one of the other thing.
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If you look good Oh, time.
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If you look at their salaries over the next couple of years, uh, I mean, Philadelphia is in trouble.
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Yeah.
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Do you not want to pay to buy affairs? 41 million in 2123 24.
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He is that Is that a number? That feels good, Teoh.
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I mean, between Tobias Harris, our whole foot so well in beating Ben Simmons.
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I mean, they're taking up 75% of the cat.
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I don't know what kind of moves they can make to really bring in that guy that keeps talking about that you need, you know, I don't get them over the top.
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And you would think that guy needs to be.
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I mean, I said it earlier, keep, uh, Jim, you know, Jimmy buckets is a guy that they missed.
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I think they miss.
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They just miss what he brings to the table.
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And I don't know where you get that guy with the amount of money that they're gonna have available.
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You know what's funny, too? Because it into this little pocket in my head right now is, um a guy like Chris Paul might be really well suited to help lead a team like that.
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But you have absolutely no ability to pick up that kind of contract right now, you know that these veteran players that maybe are older guys, but still playing at a high level but are in situations that hey, if you could get to a championship ready team or a team that could use the value of what? You praying that Be great.
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But unless you're unless you're moving on, no one's No one's could knocking down your door to trade for the eyes. Harris is contract.
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And unless you're gonna look at, I think we've talked about Matt.
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And I did.
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We talked about some different people.
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Um, like Ben Simmons is off the two.
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I'm not saying you're moving either, but Ben Simmons is the movable product you're not gonna move on from, indeed, his size, perimeter shooting, all that stuff so that it becomes Can you convince someone to move on to take Simmons off your hands? And at that point, then you're saying trust road mildly successful disaster over seven years that we now need to strip down in some way.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah.
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I don't know what Philadelphia did.
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About 120 20 $120 million of the cat, which we know is four players.
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You say you don't feel compelled to respond to that? It's a disaster waiting.
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Just leave it.
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We can leave it at that, that it's going horribly wrong for Philly.
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Um, not not to paint it, you know? Listen, they have had some success.
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But go, does he turn our attention to the bubble? One of the things that seems to be getting pivoted on here from Ah, head coach Brett Brown is the idea of what they experimented with Simmons trying to have him run the point a little bit.
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Now they're going to take a look at adjusting that and putting him at the power forward, going into the bubble and trying to shift with.
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Ah, with Milton taking over more of those responsibilities is there.
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This seems another layer of this.
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Is there a simple fix for this roster? Even has constituted that.
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It's Brett Brown.
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And if you brought in a different head coach, maybe you be able to maximize the value of some of these players.
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And it is an adjustment like this.
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Him saying, Boy, Maybe having a guy that doesn't shoot great from the perimeter, being the one who trails a play and brings the ball up wasn't our best option.
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Starting out of Simeon wants you.
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What's your thoughts there on bread Brand? Uh, me.
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I mean, I guess he's when you look at it, he's admitting that he made a mistake, right? No, I do think it's a good move, though, and it should benefit the team.
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I mean, when you look at Simmons, obviously he can't shoot the ball.
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And he refused to shoot the barking.
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He shot six threes, six threes the entire season.
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He was like two for six for the entire season, you know? So you know, you look at Shake Mill and he shoots 45% from the three point line, right? That's you know, that's good.
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That's good.
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So he could help spread the floor is not really gonna I guess he had a few games throughout the season where he wait.
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Three is he had scored, but for the most part is not gonna light it up.
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But this will allow Ben Simmons play a little bit in the low post.
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Playing the high post Joel and Beat is this somewhat respected shooter from the three point line.
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I think he seems 34 35% so he could help spread it out.
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You could get indeed in that you know, the elbow in the elbow area, low post area and he being a passer that he is, could find cutters and slashes to the basket.
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So while he may not be playing the point guard position per se, I think he would still be the floor general out there just from a different spot on the floor, where he'll be able to take advantage of maybe slower footed fours.
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He doesn't have the pressure of having to worry about shooting it from three a.
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You know when he could still kind of create.
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So I do think it could be a good move.
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Although, Yeah, I think Britain, you know, kind, admit it.
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Yeah, maybe we messed up a little bit.
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But by having to run that point, guards, listen.
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If I want to give him credit.
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Admitting that you've made a mistake and try to adjust back is the smart thing, right? Like just banging your head against the wall with it and saying, No, we're going to keep running Simmons.
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That would be, you know, even worse scenario for him.
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Is there a weird kind of, um, is there a bill little weird dynamic there, Keith, in terms off in some way, in some way, you almost want and be to be drifting away from the basket and threatening to shoot from the perimeter as Simmons pushes down into the low block like you want to use your big bodies in such an effective way.
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But a lack of personal shopper Simmons makes it tricky to ask these players to do the things that you know.
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Typically you'd want them to do.
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Isn't it laughable? Like how we all know Simmons can't shoot.
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It's all everyone talks about.
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And so, like, you're not surprising anyone on the court.
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They're not gonna all of a sudden roll out there.
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And now Simmons is shooting 10 3 point shots like we know what they're gonna do.
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They don't have too many tricks, and we know what they got to go to.
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And if that ain't working, it ain't working.
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Like we saw game this year were indeed had zero points like they don't have too many tricks in the bag.
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So, I mean, whether you change the coach or not, whether you running with what Brown is talking about, like I just don't see, I think it's it's a wrap for them.
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They're gonna have to trade some pieces there enoughto figure it out on like you said, Would Embiid and Simmons, if you're breaking up and beat.
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And Simmons, you're keeping envied Simmons.
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What they should do is they should get Simmons toe like develop that shot enough where? Like it's showcased in Orlando.
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It's too late to do in Orlando, but maybe next year, like he's got to shoot a little bit to kind of anti someone to say, OK, you know, he's finally develop that shot like and then maybe they can use him as bait and trading.
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But the process? I've been looking at this process, I never trusted the process they're still processing.
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Last year was co wide, like literally.
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All I've said is a bunch of times.
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If the ball bounces the other way, you know they might not have done it CO.
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I goes on the win it that was their best shot, and they had all the hype.
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But everything around them last year, We'll see what they do in Orlando.
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I don't think so when it in the future.
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For them, it's kind of tough.
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They kind of dug themselves in a hole with contracts and the players that they made moves to get after Jimmy buckets like, I don't know when you look at buckets, Horford, Tobias, Harris.
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And like those acquisitions like it didn't really do much to move the needle for Philadelphia.
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No wonder this use that we trust the process.
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You know, processing.
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I feel like it's the perpetual loading wheel on the on the computer screen were like that.
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Uh, it's coming.
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Just let let that rainbow pinwheel of yeah, we're going to get there.
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Don't worry, just they're stuck.
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There gonna be a competitive team, you know? They're gonna beat some teams.
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They're gonna blow out some teams.
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Ben Simmons will have his nights where you know you'll have a triple double and you'll be like, Wow, this guy's amazing.
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But all in all, they're not going to beat the upper echelon teams in the MBA.
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They're far away.
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Yeah, I can't see it.
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Milwaukee, Toronto, Miami.
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But they're all coming in full strength.
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I listen to that.
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Let the problem of all student, you trusted the process.
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But now you're at this point like you're not getting top draft picks anymore that that phase is done.
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You're too good to be that bad.
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So now whatever peace you need, you have to go find it somewhere else.
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We'll get out of here briefly on this because I feel like the proof is a little bit of the putting of the conversation without so far, but they'll come back in when they finally get restarted.
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We'll have the Pacers.
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They're gonna have the Spurs, the Wizards, the magic.
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Ah, the sons.
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They you know by the end of it, they'll get the Raptors and

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