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right.
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And with that, we excitedly welcome you back in two.
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SportsCastr news where, of course, we're talking all things MBA joined right now by me and Russell, shortly to be joined by Keith McPherson as we take a look at these teams ramping up for the restart players, or I think it's going mostly OK, Um, before we do dive in when he seems want, Look at Simeone and we say hello to you.
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But we covered the Rockets yesterday and, of course, just a little too soon before.
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Unfortunately, even though he says he's gonna come down and play with Westbrook tests positive and we'll have to wait to clear.
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This is what the NBA's facing right now, right? Just the the uncer*****y of who's gonna maybe test positive, and then will they clear and be able to hop right in and enjoying? Or are we gonna see this linger into possibly the eight game restart and even maybe the playoffs? Right? And it's Ah, it's a difficult situation, and I believe players have tests positive twice once they come in.
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Yeah, door to clear and order.
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Clear right.
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Once they come in, they quarantined for 48 hours, Right.
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And then they've got it clear.
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They've got a test positive twice o negative twice before they're able to play and participate.
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And that's the difficulty around.
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These bodies come in, right? Like you get that on there and you may turn out well.
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Sorry, Westbrook, you you still got to wait a little longer a little bit longer, and at some point, maybe not for Westbrook.
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The rocket is I think they have, at least in their own locker room ambition.
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But at some point, if you're Russell, Westbrook's gonna go. Okay.
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Well, then I'm going like, what am I doing? Uh, I'm going home.
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Not gonna sit around in quarantine inside of a bubble and wait to see if I can get out of it.
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So it will be interesting if it tests some of these players and their resolve to stay a part of it down there.
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Right? And it's going to be I read an article somewhere that, you know, it is really gonna test some when a player is mental.
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42 you know, just, you know, being there inside of one hotel room inside of the bubble.
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Ah, away from the parents.
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away from their families.
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It's gonna be a struggle for some players Gonna be a struggle in Look, I don't know how true this is, but I have already seen but sweet from an instagram model that said I've already been invited to come to the bubble.
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So who knows? Out this old thing is gonna be out.
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No, seriously.
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Is it all being taken? It's It's his chance.
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Koto will know probably sooner than later how serious it is if you start to get some of those instagram post trump from inside hotel rooms and facilities.
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Of that being the case, we as we have highlighted earlier, Keith, Matt and I talked about the Miami Heat and one of the other teams.
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Obviously out there in the East is the Philadelphia 70.
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Sixers had Jimmy Butler just a moment ago.
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Now he's down there with Miami and holding that foresee as they enter.
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Let's just very on the surface, man.
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How can a team like Philadelphia have been so good at home and such an inconsistent team on the road? How can you consider yourself ah quote championship caliber team and not be able to get wins away from your home, your home arena.
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I agree.
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And you know, I feel that Jimmy Butler.
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See, this is just something with Philadelphia that I think is missing.
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And I think Jimmy Butler had that ingredient.
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This kind of just like that will in that toughness that he brings to the table.
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And I think that was missing in Philadelphia this season.
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I think it's gonna be missing down in Orlando as well in the playoffs.
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I just think they're missing well, by the way we were.
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So when we talked early, it's like Keith, Key said.
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He's always been a Jimmy Butler guy, and I remembered saying, and he's in Minnesota.
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I just thought Wolf Boy like it seems like he's a problem more than a solution, but and keep pointed out really well about the idea of just a veteran player knows what it is.
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No, you know, knows what it takes to win games to make deep playoff runs.
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That's what he tried to instill in Minnesota, was meant, was met with a little bit of frustration of young players, got out of there and to your point like Philadelphia man, this will be highlighted was you're a team in Simmons and Embiid.
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It just feels like they go.
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Yeah, well, this is the process we trusted the process to get you to and you have already achieved.
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There's no expectations for you guys.
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Teoh win championships is not internally, doesn't feel like.
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And when you bring in a player like Jimmy, who again wants to be like, Hey, you want you want to win championships, you want to get to the next level? Let's do this thing.
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Let's all challenge you with the B squad and run and run you down in practices and that gets met with frustration to It just feels like maybe this is indicative of some young players in a lot of ways, but that it's hard to get young players to get the understanding of just getting drafted high.
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That's not the achievement that was.
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That wasn't it is not enough.
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Just to be be pretty good in the N b A and B A good player by yourself.
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It's about being a good team, and something's lacking there inside that locker.
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Yeah, something is definitely lacking aside, Ally.
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You know, I think back and I don't want it hardback on like the old days.
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But I think back, you know, you know, we watched the last dance.
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Just how serious the guys take it in Philadelphia.
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I can't see.
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Yeah, you know just how serious they might really be.
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And maybe they're just too young to understand yet.
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And that's where Jimmy Butler does come in, you know, to be able to bring that perspective.
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Um, you know, because he's been on some fairly good teams, you know, end.
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Of course, you know that Tom Thibodeau, who was a serious coach, you know what you don't eso And that's what we had about a touch on about just how young players develop early in their careers.
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So if you're Jimmy in your under Thibodeau, you get that kind of mentality instilled in you the same way that some players get even just an offensive mind or a defence of mind.
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Or are you a well rounded player? And if you're not asked to do things on both ends of the floor, then by years 45 in six, Listen, I'm not that guy.
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I'm not a defensive minded player.
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I score points.
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Somebody else needs to do that for me.
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On the other end.
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And I we always wonder about how much that that impacts players over the course of their career.
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You know, trust The process is obviously what they say down in Philadelphia.
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Do you think that they almost trusted the process to a fault in some ways? Because, okay, you tanked to the top and you get indeed, you get Ben Simmons.
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Um, you eventually in the bring in Tobias Harris.
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But Ben can't certain things that you need arguably your best or second best player to do mainly shoot from the outside.
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When you get that push come to show.
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We know Jimmy maybe didn't want to be there, but it felt like they decided If we can bring Jimmy back great.
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And if we can't will automatically give the money to devise Harris as opposed to saying, If we can't keep Jimmy, then we need to take a step back here and just make sure that the next move, the next decision we make for our roster is the smartest one.
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Long term.
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Because otherwise, as we see now with two bias and with indeed and with Simmons and then you go go out compound, maybe by by throwing money at Al Horford.
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Now, all the sudden you got massive contracts and what I want to shake that some injury concerns, too.
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But now you're the six seed staring up and me com first solidifying themselves behind him.
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The ****** bucks aren't going anywhere.
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The Brooklyn Nets coming next being, ah, five or 60.
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Yeah.
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And you know, being the next fan, we talk about this all the time, thinking right tanking to get to the top.
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And the one is true.
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The one thing that I always harp on is that I understand idle about losing mentality and you never learned how to win.
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At some point, you really got to take your young guys to start grooming, grooming them toe.
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You know, even if you just barely sniffed aid Cedar, you're fighting for the eighth seed.
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You know, you got to start grooming them to win.
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If you always like, Well, we're just gonna lose until we get enough draft picks where you know we can't help but to be a good team or the team because we have so much talent.
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I just don't think that's good enough because you got to develop of the winning attitude.
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The winning character, You know, all of the little pieces that go into winning.
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You know, you gotta develop those.
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You gotta understand how to prepare.
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Even when you're in the midst of, um, a season, you know, you're you're in January.
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You're in February.
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The dog days, right? You gotta understand how to win 100.
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Pay yourself. I eat right.
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How to do all of those things to get yourself there.
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You know, when you have a young team, that's just, you know, your focus is not toe win.
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I don't think you learn those things.
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And so now, when you did will become a good team.
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It's not habit for you to focus on those type of in those type of areas toe win, you know? And, you know, they brought in our whole for, uh who, you know, he wanted Atlanta.
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He was on a good team in Boston.
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I'm not sure if he's dead the leader type of guy that you need those young guys in Philadelphia.
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Yeah, and it makes you wonder who Who you know.
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Is there anyone now at this point of Simmons and Embiid Square? One of them has to be the leader and the leader in the right way, because you're not bringing someone now.
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It feels like to take over that leadership role because it probably would have been a Jimmy Butler potentially, um, the other thing that I just think about two and you mentioned it.
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Not Teoh.
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Obviously, I cover the Nets and that that thing off scraping into the eighth seed in losing to the 70 Sixers and five games last year.
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There's value in that.
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I talked about this so much this year, even though it's not gonna matter for the Nets.
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They're not gonna win anything, obviously.
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But if you look at Jared Allen, Uh, and now this is getting expensive gym anybody? Well, he won't be there, unfortunately, but even just Caris, Levert and Joe Hair, these are three guys last year.
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That's the totality of their playoff experience.
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So they're going to double that just by getting into four more games this postseason.
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So then next year, when you get Katie and Kyrie healthy on this roster, you just have the experience and you had under any Atkinson this dedication to we're going to win games.
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There isn't no there's no there's no tanking tanking here to try to get this extra piece, and it just it seems like it adds value.
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It seems like these players all have that same vision understanding about it, as opposed to, like you say, being in this weird kind of state of flux, where everybody in the media is talking about, Well, you're tanking, your tanking, your tanking.
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But you're arguably have two of the better players in the league, and you're just not allowing them to go that route now.
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To that point, to that end, a couple of guys it would have cost the maybe luxury tax.
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But a guy like JJ Red****, veteran sharpshooter on the outside value, you know, the roster and then a young player in Marquel folds.
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There's a weirdness to me around the idea of trusting the process and then somewhat quickly saying this 21 year old, he's on the scrappy for us.
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We don't need them anymore.
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And when I go down, I had to pull up the stats there.
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Listen, they're not explosive but started as 59 games for Orlando.
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He'll be down in the bubble as well that the Orlando Magic will in 64 games that he played in 47% from the field, didn't take a lot of three dots, is not a part of his game but drastically improved his free throw shooting.
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Improved his assist numbers by two from the year Prior Lake.
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This feels like a kid that maybe needed a little bit of time to get his legs underneath him.
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And for an organization that spent years being like we just take our time, we're gonna take our time.
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They very quickly bailed on this kid for whatever the next one of the next option, whatever next piece was gonna day as we welcome to keep the fearsome Keith has not going there.
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Are we talking about? Well, so we were just We were covering some of the guys Philadelphia and that, you know, the spectrum of what they've covered here.
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Mistakes may be made in committing to Dubai.
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His hair is after.
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You can't get Jimmy Butler to come back, but I just threw out a couple of of the lower level guys in JJ Red**** veteran.
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Understand how to shoot from the corner, like knows his role.
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And then I was just talking about Marquel faults and the weirdness around, Ah, commitment to taking your time and trusting the process. Quote unquote.
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And yet you bail on a young kid who, coming out of college seem like potential.
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And you're just like, Oh, yeah, this guy, this trap heat Did you this Philadelphia confused.
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We welcome you to the conversation.
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Are they are hard organization to totally understand? Yeah.
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Ah, I never trusted the process.
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When they lost all those games, I remember how cheap their tickets were.
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I wasn't pulling up down there, but it was all trusted process.
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We have a plan.
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And now that you're seeing the plan a few years down the road, I hope there's more to it than what we've seen.
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Bias Harris.
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I don't know if you guys have seen the Toby and Boby show Tobias Harris.
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He's is not gonna be able to play in Orlando because this guy Boban has been cheating on him with Luca.
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He lost his friend.
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He lost his main guy, Lucas going fishing with him, playing one on one with, um, two biases.
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Worried about boby.
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So Toby and Boby show is over.
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I don't know how he's gonna who? But yeah, you talked about Fultz to Marco Fultz.
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I think he's going to start to really come into his own in the next couple of years.
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He bawled on us.
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He had a season high against the Nets this year, and I think he's got a, you know, a year to toe figure it out and he's in a better situation down there.
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But as's faras, the process and Phillies concerned, we spoke on it earlier.
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I thought last year was their best shot with Jimmy Buckets.
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Ben Embiid.
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I don't think they really have any chance of stealing anything here in Orlando and then moving forward, they're gonna have to go get another guy.
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We talked about Al Horford two.
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We talked about a bunch of different moves and things that were made where's just like, Ah, I just don't see it, But I mean, I'm a big time hater.
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I'm a Nets fan.
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I got no love for the sixties.
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But listen, that's I mean, listen, even even a Knicks fan and Simeon, So it's not like, uh, we're not.
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We're not a lot of sense.
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Of the 76 um, one of the other thing, if you look good.
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Oh, if you look at their salaries over the next couple of years Ah, I mean, Philadelphia is in trouble.
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Yeah.
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Do you not want to pay to buy affairs? 41 million in 2123.
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24.
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He is that of the number that feels good. Teoh.
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I mean, between Tobias Harris, our whole fruit.
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So well, in beating Ben Simmons.
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I mean, they're taking up 75% of their cat.
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I don't know what kind of moves they can make to really bring in that guy that keeps talking about that.
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You need, you know, help get them over the top.
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And you would think that guy needs to be.
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I mean, I said earlier keep, uh, you know, Jimmy buckets is a guy that they missed.
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I think they miss.
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They just miss what he brings to the table.
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And I don't know where you get that guy with the amount of money that they're gonna have available.
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You know what's funny, too? Because it is just this little popped in my head right now is, um a guy like Chris Paul might be really well suited to help lead a team like that, but you have absolutely no ability to pick up that kind of contract right now, you know that these veteran players that maybe are older guys, but still playing at a high level but are in situations that hey, if you could get to a championship ready team or a team that could use the value of what you praying that be great.
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But unless you're unless you're moving on, no one's no one's come knocking on your door to trade for the eyes.
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Harris his contract and unless you're gonna look at, I think we've talked about Matt and I did.
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We talked about some different people.
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Um, like Ben Simmons is off the two.
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I'm not saying you're moving either, but Ben Simmons is the movable product you're not gonna move on from, indeed, his size, perimeter shooting, all that stuff so that it becomes can you convince someone to move on to take Simmons off your hands? And at that point, then you're saying trusting the process was like kind of a middle of the road, mildly successful disaster over seven years that we now need to strip down in some way.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah. I don't know what Philadelphia's gonna do.
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You know, about 122 $120 million of the cat between those four players.
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You say you don't feel compelled to respond to that.
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It's a disaster, right? We can.
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We can just leave it.
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We can leave it at that, that it's going horribly wrong for Philly.
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Um, not not to paint it, you know? Listen, they have had some success, but go return.
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I have attention to the bubble.
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One of the things that seems to be getting pivoted on here from Ah, head coach Brett Brown is the idea of what they experimented with Simmons trying to have him run the point a little bit.
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Now they're going to take a look at adjusting that and putting him at the power forward, going into the bubble and trying to shift with Ah, with Milton taking over more of those responsibilities is there.
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This seems another layer of this.
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Is there a simple fix for this roster? Even has constituted that.
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It's Brett Brown, and if you brought in a different head coach, maybe you be able to maximize the value of some of these players, and it is an adjustment like this.
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Him saying, Boy, maybe having a guy that doesn't shoot great from the perimeter, being the one who trails a play and brings the ball up wasn't our best option.
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Starting out a Cindy and want you.
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What's your thoughts there on breath? Brand? Uh, I mean I mean, I guess he's when you look at it, he's admitting that he made a mistake right now.
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I do think it's a good move, though, and it should benefit the team.
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I mean, when you look at Simmons, obviously he can shoot the ball and he refused to shoot the ball.
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Think he shot six threes, six threes the entire season.
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And he was like, two for six for the entire season, you know? So you know, you look at Shake Mill and he shoots 45% from the three point line, right? That's you know, that's good.
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That's good.
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So he can help spread the floor is not really gonna I guess he had a few games throughout the season where he wait.
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Three has he had scored, but for the most part, is not gonna light it up, But this will allow Ben Simmons play a little bit in the low post.
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You could play in the high post.
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Joel and Beat is this somewhat respected shooter from the three point line.
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I think issues 34 35% so he can help spread it out.
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You can get indeed in that.
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You know, the elbow in the elbow area, low post area.
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And he being a passer that he is, he could find cutters and slashes to the Basque.
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So while he may not be playing the point guard position per se, I think he is still be the floor general out there just from a different spot on the floor, where he'll be able to take advantage of maybe slower footed fours.
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He doesn't have the pressure of having to worry about shooting it from three.
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And, you know, he could still kind of create.
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So I do think it could be a good move, although, yeah, I think right now.
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Hell, kind.
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Admit it.
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Yeah, maybe we messed up a little bit, but by having to run that point, guards Listen.
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If I want to give him credit admitting that you've made a mistake and China adjust back is the smart thing, right? Like just banging your head against the wall with it and saying, No, we're going to keep running Simmons.
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That would be, you know, even worse scenario for him.
00:19:35
Is there a weird kind of, um, is there a bit of weird dynamic there, Keith, in terms off in some way in some way you almost want and be to be drifting away from the basket and threatening to shoot from the perimeter as Simmons pushes down into the low block like you want to use your big bodies in such an effective way.
00:19:53
But a lack of personal shopper Simmons makes it tricky to ask these players to do the things that you typically you'd want them to dio, Isn't it laughable? Like how we all know Simmons can't shoot.
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It's all everyone talks about and so, like, you're not surprising anyone on the court.
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They're not gonna all of a sudden roll out there.
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And now Simmons is shooting 10 3 point shots like we know what they're gonna do.
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They don't have too many tricks, and we know what they got to go to.
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And if that ain't working.
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It ain't working like we saw game this year where Embiid had zero points like they don't have too many tricks in the bag.
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So, I mean, whether you change the coach or not, whether you running with what Brown is talking about, like I just don't see, I think it's It's a wrap for them.
00:20:33
They're gonna have to trade some pieces there enoughto figure it out like you said, would Embiid and Simmons If you're breaking up and beat and Sim injure keeping Embiid Simmons, what they should do is they should get Simmons toe like develop that shot enough where? Like it's showcased in Orlando.
00:20:50
That's right, too late to do in Orlando, but maybe next year, like he's got to shoot a little bit to kind of anti someone to say, OK, you know, he's finally develop that shot like, and then maybe they can use him as bait and trading.
00:21:00
But the process? I've been looking at this process, I never trusted the process they're still processing.
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Last year was Kawai collide like literally.
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All I've said is a bunch of times.
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If the ball bounces the other way, you know they might not have done it co I goes on the win it That was their best shot and they had all the hype.
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But everything around them last year, We'll see what they do in Orlando.
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I don't think win it in the future.
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For them, it's kind of tough.
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They kind of dug themselves in a hole with contracts and the players that they made moves to get after Jimmy buckets like, I don't know when you look at buckets Horford, Tobias, Harris and like those acquisitions like it didn't really do much to move the needle for Philadelphia.
00:21:41
No wonder this use that.
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We trust the process, you know, processing.
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I feel like it's the perpetual loading wheel on the on the computer screen where, like that, uh, it's coming.
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Just let let that rainbow pinwheel of death we're going to get there. Don't worry.
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Just stuck.
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There gonna be a competitive team, you know they're gonna beat some teams.
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They're gonna blow out some teams.
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Ben Simmons will have his nights where you know you'll have a triple double and you'll be like, Wow, this guy's amazing, But all in all, they're not going to beat the upper echelon teams in the MBA.
00:22:13
They're far away.
00:22:14
Yeah, I can't see it.
00:22:15
Milwaukee, Toronto, Miami.
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But they're all coming in full strength.
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Listen, that's the let that problem of all, student. You trusted the process.
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But now you're at this point like you're not getting top draft picks anymore, that that phase is done.
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You're too good to be that bad.
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So now, whatever peace you need, you have to go find it somewhere else.
00:22:35
We'll get out of here briefly on this because I feel like the proof is a little bit in the in the putting of the conversation we've had so far.
00:22:41
But they'll come back in when they finally get restarted.
00:22:44
We'll have the Pacers.
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They're gonna have the Spurs, the Wizards, the magic.
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Ah, the sons they get.
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You know, by the end of it, they'll get the Raptors in the 70 Sixers when they conclude, you know.
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Listen, we talked about this earlier teeth and I, along with Matt, they could hop over the Pacers off

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right.
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And with that, we excitedly welcome you back in two.
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SportsCastr news where, of course, we're talking all things MBA joined right now by me and Russell, shortly to be joined by Keith McPherson as we take a look at these teams ramping up for the restart players, or I think it's going mostly OK, Um, before we do dive in when he seems want, Look at Simeone and we say hello to you.
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But we covered the Rockets yesterday and, of course, just a little too soon before.
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Unfortunately, even though he says he's gonna come down and play with Westbrook tests positive and we'll have to wait to clear.
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This is what the NBA's facing right now, right? Just the the uncer*****y of who's gonna maybe test positive, and then will they clear and be able to hop right in and enjoying? Or are we gonna see this linger into possibly the eight game restart and even maybe the playoffs? Right? And it's Ah, it's a difficult situation, and I believe players have tests positive twice once they come in.
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Yeah, door to clear and order.
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Clear right.
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Once they come in, they quarantined for 48 hours, Right.
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And then they've got it clear.
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They've got a test positive twice o negative twice before they're able to play and participate.
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And that's the difficulty around.
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These bodies come in, right? Like you get that on there and you may turn out well.
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Sorry, Westbrook, you you still got to wait a little longer a little bit longer, and at some point, maybe not for Westbrook.
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The rocket is I think they have, at least in their own locker room ambition.
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But at some point, if you're Russell, Westbrook's gonna go. Okay.
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Well, then I'm going like, what am I doing? Uh, I'm going home.
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Not gonna sit around in quarantine inside of a bubble and wait to see if I can get out of it.
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So it will be interesting if it tests some of these players and their resolve to stay a part of it down there.
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Right? And it's going to be I read an article somewhere that, you know, it is really gonna test some when a player is mental.
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42 you know, just, you know, being there inside of one hotel room inside of the bubble.
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Ah, away from the parents.
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away from their families.
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It's gonna be a struggle for some players Gonna be a struggle in Look, I don't know how true this is, but I have already seen but sweet from an instagram model that said I've already been invited to come to the bubble.
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So who knows? Out this old thing is gonna be out.
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No, seriously.
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Is it all being taken? It's It's his chance.
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Koto will know probably sooner than later how serious it is if you start to get some of those instagram post trump from inside hotel rooms and facilities.
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Of that being the case, we as we have highlighted earlier, Keith, Matt and I talked about the Miami Heat and one of the other teams.
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Obviously out there in the East is the Philadelphia 70.
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Sixers had Jimmy Butler just a moment ago.
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Now he's down there with Miami and holding that foresee as they enter.
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Let's just very on the surface, man.
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How can a team like Philadelphia have been so good at home and such an inconsistent team on the road? How can you consider yourself ah quote championship caliber team and not be able to get wins away from your home, your home arena.
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I agree.
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And you know, I feel that Jimmy Butler.
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See, this is just something with Philadelphia that I think is missing.
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And I think Jimmy Butler had that ingredient.
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This kind of just like that will in that toughness that he brings to the table.
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And I think that was missing in Philadelphia this season.
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I think it's gonna be missing down in Orlando as well in the playoffs.
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I just think they're missing well, by the way we were.
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So when we talked early, it's like Keith, Key said.
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He's always been a Jimmy Butler guy, and I remembered saying, and he's in Minnesota.
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I just thought Wolf Boy like it seems like he's a problem more than a solution, but and keep pointed out really well about the idea of just a veteran player knows what it is.
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No, you know, knows what it takes to win games to make deep playoff runs.
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That's what he tried to instill in Minnesota, was meant, was met with a little bit of frustration of young players, got out of there and to your point like Philadelphia man, this will be highlighted was you're a team in Simmons and Embiid.
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It just feels like they go.
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Yeah, well, this is the process we trusted the process to get you to and you have already achieved.
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There's no expectations for you guys.
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Teoh win championships is not internally, doesn't feel like.
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And when you bring in a player like Jimmy, who again wants to be like, Hey, you want you want to win championships, you want to get to the next level? Let's do this thing.
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Let's all challenge you with the B squad and run and run you down in practices and that gets met with frustration to It just feels like maybe this is indicative of some young players in a lot of ways, but that it's hard to get young players to get the understanding of just getting drafted high.
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That's not the achievement that was.
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That wasn't it is not enough.
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Just to be be pretty good in the N b A and B A good player by yourself.
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It's about being a good team, and something's lacking there inside that locker.
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Yeah, something is definitely lacking aside, Ally.
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You know, I think back and I don't want it hardback on like the old days.
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But I think back, you know, you know, we watched the last dance.
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Just how serious the guys take it in Philadelphia.
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I can't see.
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Yeah, you know just how serious they might really be.
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And maybe they're just too young to understand yet.
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And that's where Jimmy Butler does come in, you know, to be able to bring that perspective.
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Um, you know, because he's been on some fairly good teams, you know, end.
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Of course, you know that Tom Thibodeau, who was a serious coach, you know what you don't eso And that's what we had about a touch on about just how young players develop early in their careers.
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So if you're Jimmy in your under Thibodeau, you get that kind of mentality instilled in you the same way that some players get even just an offensive mind or a defence of mind.
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Or are you a well rounded player? And if you're not asked to do things on both ends of the floor, then by years 45 in six, Listen, I'm not that guy.
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I'm not a defensive minded player.
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I score points.
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Somebody else needs to do that for me.
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On the other end.
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And I we always wonder about how much that that impacts players over the course of their career.
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You know, trust The process is obviously what they say down in Philadelphia.
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Do you think that they almost trusted the process to a fault in some ways? Because, okay, you tanked to the top and you get indeed, you get Ben Simmons.
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Um, you eventually in the bring in Tobias Harris.
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But Ben can't certain things that you need arguably your best or second best player to do mainly shoot from the outside.
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When you get that push come to show.
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We know Jimmy maybe didn't want to be there, but it felt like they decided If we can bring Jimmy back great.
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And if we can't will automatically give the money to devise Harris as opposed to saying, If we can't keep Jimmy, then we need to take a step back here and just make sure that the next move, the next decision we make for our roster is the smartest one.
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Long term.
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Because otherwise, as we see now with two bias and with indeed and with Simmons and then you go go out compound, maybe by by throwing money at Al Horford.
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Now, all the sudden you got massive contracts and what I want to shake that some injury concerns, too.
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But now you're the six seed staring up and me com first solidifying themselves behind him.
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The ****** bucks aren't going anywhere.
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The Brooklyn Nets coming next being, ah, five or 60.
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Yeah.
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And you know, being the next fan, we talk about this all the time, thinking right tanking to get to the top.
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And the one is true.
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The one thing that I always harp on is that I understand idle about losing mentality and you never learned how to win.
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At some point, you really got to take your young guys to start grooming, grooming them toe.
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You know, even if you just barely sniffed aid Cedar, you're fighting for the eighth seed.
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You know, you got to start grooming them to win.
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If you always like, Well, we're just gonna lose until we get enough draft picks where you know we can't help but to be a good team or the team because we have so much talent.
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I just don't think that's good enough because you got to develop of the winning attitude.
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The winning character, You know, all of the little pieces that go into winning.
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You know, you gotta develop those.
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You gotta understand how to prepare.
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Even when you're in the midst of, um, a season, you know, you're you're in January.
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You're in February.
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The dog days, right? You gotta understand how to win 100.
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Pay yourself. I eat right.
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How to do all of those things to get yourself there.
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You know, when you have a young team, that's just, you know, your focus is not toe win.
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I don't think you learn those things.
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And so now, when you did will become a good team.
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It's not habit for you to focus on those type of in those type of areas toe win, you know? And, you know, they brought in our whole for, uh who, you know, he wanted Atlanta.
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He was on a good team in Boston.
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I'm not sure if he's dead the leader type of guy that you need those young guys in Philadelphia.
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Yeah, and it makes you wonder who Who you know.
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Is there anyone now at this point of Simmons and Embiid Square? One of them has to be the leader and the leader in the right way, because you're not bringing someone now.
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It feels like to take over that leadership role because it probably would have been a Jimmy Butler potentially, um, the other thing that I just think about two and you mentioned it.
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Not Teoh.
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Obviously, I cover the Nets and that that thing off scraping into the eighth seed in losing to the 70 Sixers and five games last year.
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There's value in that.
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I talked about this so much this year, even though it's not gonna matter for the Nets.
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They're not gonna win anything, obviously.
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But if you look at Jared Allen, Uh, and now this is getting expensive gym anybody? Well, he won't be there, unfortunately, but even just Caris, Levert and Joe Hair, these are three guys last year.
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That's the totality of their playoff experience.
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So they're going to double that just by getting into four more games this postseason.
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So then next year, when you get Katie and Kyrie healthy on this roster, you just have the experience and you had under any Atkinson this dedication to we're going to win games.
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There isn't no there's no there's no tanking tanking here to try to get this extra piece, and it just it seems like it adds value.
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It seems like these players all have that same vision understanding about it, as opposed to, like you say, being in this weird kind of state of flux, where everybody in the media is talking about, Well, you're tanking, your tanking, your tanking.
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But you're arguably have two of the better players in the league, and you're just not allowing them to go that route now.
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To that point, to that end, a couple of guys it would have cost the maybe luxury tax.
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But a guy like JJ Red****, veteran sharpshooter on the outside value, you know, the roster and then a young player in Marquel folds.
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There's a weirdness to me around the idea of trusting the process and then somewhat quickly saying this 21 year old, he's on the scrappy for us.
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We don't need them anymore.
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And when I go down, I had to pull up the stats there.
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Listen, they're not explosive but started as 59 games for Orlando.
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He'll be down in the bubble as well that the Orlando Magic will in 64 games that he played in 47% from the field, didn't take a lot of three dots, is not a part of his game but drastically improved his free throw shooting.
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Improved his assist numbers by two from the year Prior Lake.
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This feels like a kid that maybe needed a little bit of time to get his legs underneath him.
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And for an organization that spent years being like we just take our time, we're gonna take our time.
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They very quickly bailed on this kid for whatever the next one of the next option, whatever next piece was gonna day as we welcome to keep the fearsome Keith has not going there.
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Are we talking about? Well, so we were just We were covering some of the guys Philadelphia and that, you know, the spectrum of what they've covered here.
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Mistakes may be made in committing to Dubai.
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His hair is after.
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You can't get Jimmy Butler to come back, but I just threw out a couple of of the lower level guys in JJ Red**** veteran.
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Understand how to shoot from the corner, like knows his role.
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And then I was just talking about Marquel faults and the weirdness around, Ah, commitment to taking your time and trusting the process. Quote unquote.
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And yet you bail on a young kid who, coming out of college seem like potential.
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And you're just like, Oh, yeah, this guy, this trap heat Did you this Philadelphia confused.
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We welcome you to the conversation.
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Are they are hard organization to totally understand? Yeah.
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Ah, I never trusted the process.
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When they lost all those games, I remember how cheap their tickets were.
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I wasn't pulling up down there, but it was all trusted process.
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We have a plan.
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And now that you're seeing the plan a few years down the road, I hope there's more to it than what we've seen.
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Bias Harris.
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I don't know if you guys have seen the Toby and Boby show Tobias Harris.
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He's is not gonna be able to play in Orlando because this guy Boban has been cheating on him with Luca.
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He lost his friend.
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He lost his main guy, Lucas going fishing with him, playing one on one with, um, two biases.
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Worried about boby.
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So Toby and Boby show is over.
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I don't know how he's gonna who? But yeah, you talked about Fultz to Marco Fultz.
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I think he's going to start to really come into his own in the next couple of years.
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He bawled on us.
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He had a season high against the Nets this year, and I think he's got a, you know, a year to toe figure it out and he's in a better situation down there.
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But as's faras, the process and Phillies concerned, we spoke on it earlier.
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I thought last year was their best shot with Jimmy Buckets.
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Ben Embiid.
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I don't think they really have any chance of stealing anything here in Orlando and then moving forward, they're gonna have to go get another guy.
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We talked about Al Horford two.
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We talked about a bunch of different moves and things that were made where's just like, Ah, I just don't see it, But I mean, I'm a big time hater.
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I'm a Nets fan.
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I got no love for the sixties.
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But listen, that's I mean, listen, even even a Knicks fan and Simeon, So it's not like, uh, we're not.
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We're not a lot of sense.
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Of the 76 um, one of the other thing, if you look good.
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Oh, if you look at their salaries over the next couple of years Ah, I mean, Philadelphia is in trouble.
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Yeah.
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Do you not want to pay to buy affairs? 41 million in 2123.
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24.
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He is that of the number that feels good. Teoh.
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I mean, between Tobias Harris, our whole fruit.
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So well, in beating Ben Simmons.
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I mean, they're taking up 75% of their cat.
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I don't know what kind of moves they can make to really bring in that guy that keeps talking about that.
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You need, you know, help get them over the top.
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And you would think that guy needs to be.
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I mean, I said earlier keep, uh, you know, Jimmy buckets is a guy that they missed.
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I think they miss.
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They just miss what he brings to the table.
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And I don't know where you get that guy with the amount of money that they're gonna have available.
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You know what's funny, too? Because it is just this little popped in my head right now is, um a guy like Chris Paul might be really well suited to help lead a team like that, but you have absolutely no ability to pick up that kind of contract right now, you know that these veteran players that maybe are older guys, but still playing at a high level but are in situations that hey, if you could get to a championship ready team or a team that could use the value of what you praying that be great.
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But unless you're unless you're moving on, no one's no one's come knocking on your door to trade for the eyes.
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Harris his contract and unless you're gonna look at, I think we've talked about Matt and I did.
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We talked about some different people.
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Um, like Ben Simmons is off the two.
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I'm not saying you're moving either, but Ben Simmons is the movable product you're not gonna move on from, indeed, his size, perimeter shooting, all that stuff so that it becomes can you convince someone to move on to take Simmons off your hands? And at that point, then you're saying trusting the process was like kind of a middle of the road, mildly successful disaster over seven years that we now need to strip down in some way.
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah. I don't know what Philadelphia's gonna do.
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You know, about 122 $120 million of the cat between those four players.
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You say you don't feel compelled to respond to that.
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It's a disaster, right? We can.
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We can just leave it.
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We can leave it at that, that it's going horribly wrong for Philly.
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Um, not not to paint it, you know? Listen, they have had some success, but go return.
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I have attention to the bubble.
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One of the things that seems to be getting pivoted on here from Ah, head coach Brett Brown is the idea of what they experimented with Simmons trying to have him run the point a little bit.
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Now they're going to take a look at adjusting that and putting him at the power forward, going into the bubble and trying to shift with Ah, with Milton taking over more of those responsibilities is there.
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This seems another layer of this.
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Is there a simple fix for this roster? Even has constituted that.
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It's Brett Brown, and if you brought in a different head coach, maybe you be able to maximize the value of some of these players, and it is an adjustment like this.
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Him saying, Boy, maybe having a guy that doesn't shoot great from the perimeter, being the one who trails a play and brings the ball up wasn't our best option.
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Starting out a Cindy and want you.
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What's your thoughts there on breath? Brand? Uh, I mean I mean, I guess he's when you look at it, he's admitting that he made a mistake right now.
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I do think it's a good move, though, and it should benefit the team.
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I mean, when you look at Simmons, obviously he can shoot the ball and he refused to shoot the ball.
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Think he shot six threes, six threes the entire season.
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And he was like, two for six for the entire season, you know? So you know, you look at Shake Mill and he shoots 45% from the three point line, right? That's you know, that's good.
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That's good.
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So he can help spread the floor is not really gonna I guess he had a few games throughout the season where he wait.
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Three has he had scored, but for the most part, is not gonna light it up, But this will allow Ben Simmons play a little bit in the low post.
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You could play in the high post.
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Joel and Beat is this somewhat respected shooter from the three point line.
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I think issues 34 35% so he can help spread it out.
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You can get indeed in that.
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You know, the elbow in the elbow area, low post area.
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And he being a passer that he is, he could find cutters and slashes to the Basque.
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So while he may not be playing the point guard position per se, I think he is still be the floor general out there just from a different spot on the floor, where he'll be able to take advantage of maybe slower footed fours.
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He doesn't have the pressure of having to worry about shooting it from three.
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And, you know, he could still kind of create.
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So I do think it could be a good move, although, yeah, I think right now.
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Hell, kind.
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Admit it.
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Yeah, maybe we messed up a little bit, but by having to run that point, guards Listen.
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If I want to give him credit admitting that you've made a mistake and China adjust back is the smart thing, right? Like just banging your head against the wall with it and saying, No, we're going to keep running Simmons.
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That would be, you know, even worse scenario for him.
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Is there a weird kind of, um, is there a bit of weird dynamic there, Keith, in terms off in some way in some way you almost want and be to be drifting away from the basket and threatening to shoot from the perimeter as Simmons pushes down into the low block like you want to use your big bodies in such an effective way.
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But a lack of personal shopper Simmons makes it tricky to ask these players to do the things that you typically you'd want them to dio, Isn't it laughable? Like how we all know Simmons can't shoot.
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It's all everyone talks about and so, like, you're not surprising anyone on the court.
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They're not gonna all of a sudden roll out there.
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And now Simmons is shooting 10 3 point shots like we know what they're gonna do.
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They don't have too many tricks, and we know what they got to go to.
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And if that ain't working.
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It ain't working like we saw game this year where Embiid had zero points like they don't have too many tricks in the bag.
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So, I mean, whether you change the coach or not, whether you running with what Brown is talking about, like I just don't see, I think it's It's a wrap for them.
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They're gonna have to trade some pieces there enoughto figure it out like you said, would Embiid and Simmons If you're breaking up and beat and Sim injure keeping Embiid Simmons, what they should do is they should get Simmons toe like develop that shot enough where? Like it's showcased in Orlando.
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That's right, too late to do in Orlando, but maybe next year, like he's got to shoot a little bit to kind of anti someone to say, OK, you know, he's finally develop that shot like, and then maybe they can use him as bait and trading.
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But the process? I've been looking at this process, I never trusted the process they're still processing.
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Last year was Kawai collide like literally.
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All I've said is a bunch of times.
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If the ball bounces the other way, you know they might not have done it co I goes on the win it That was their best shot and they had all the hype.
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But everything around them last year, We'll see what they do in Orlando.
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I don't think win it in the future.
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For them, it's kind of tough.
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They kind of dug themselves in a hole with contracts and the players that they made moves to get after Jimmy buckets like, I don't know when you look at buckets Horford, Tobias, Harris and like those acquisitions like it didn't really do much to move the needle for Philadelphia.
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No wonder this use that.
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We trust the process, you know, processing.
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I feel like it's the perpetual loading wheel on the on the computer screen where, like that, uh, it's coming.
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Just let let that rainbow pinwheel of death we're going to get there. Don't worry.
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Just stuck.
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There gonna be a competitive team, you know they're gonna beat some teams.
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They're gonna blow out some teams.
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Ben Simmons will have his nights where you know you'll have a triple double and you'll be like, Wow, this guy's amazing, But all in all, they're not going to beat the upper echelon teams in the MBA.
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They're far away.
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Yeah, I can't see it.
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Milwaukee, Toronto, Miami.
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But they're all coming in full strength.
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Listen, that's the let that problem of all, student. You trusted the process.
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But now you're at this point like you're not getting top draft picks anymore, that that phase is done.
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You're too good to be that bad.
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So now, whatever peace you need, you have to go find it somewhere else.
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We'll get out of here briefly on this because I feel like the proof is a little bit in the in the putting of the conversation we've had so far.
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But they'll come back in when they finally get restarted.
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We'll have the Pacers.
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They're gonna have the Spurs, the Wizards, the magic.
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