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So not that much going on.
But we're gonna talk about Patrick Ewing whether or not he was robbed of M v P voting.
He did an interview with Alan Hahn yesterday.
I think it was whenever it was.
He didn't interview Alan Hahn and he said that he thinks he was robbed of cement. BB voting.
We're gonna listen to it.
We'll talk about the Knicks interviewing Chris Fleming today assistant coach from the Chicago Bulls.
And what that's all about.
Well, listen, we are No.
The Knicks are interviewing, like 12 different people.
So we'll talk about Chris Fleming a little bit a little bit about Jason Kidd, and then we'll get into some trade rumors.
Yeah, you know, trade rumors from the New York Knicks, and it looks like we lost needs.
So I'll get back over here until we get Nate back on trade rumors from the New York Knicks on and I don't know, you know, we'll talk about all that stuff.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys for being here.
So let Xgo ahead and get this thing and going, man, take a listen to Patrick Ewing.
Talk about being robbed of EVP voting.
All right, so let's take a listen to patch queuing, and then I want to know.
What do you think? Do you think Patrick Ewing was robbed off M v P Voting? The second is in a Patrick Ewing, and then we'll talk about even know you and you know it ain't closed.
I got robbed, you know, in the NDP.
I should have won an M.
Title M v P award, I should say.
And I should have won on All Star MD people, but it is what it is that's allow you.
Hey, don't blame me.
I wasn't in the media back then.
I was trying Teoh Media hated me back there.
Yeah, they hate everybody in New York.
That's a all right. All right.
Obviously, Patrick Ewing is joking.
Was having a good time with Galahad, you know, just just they were just talking, you know, just just hanging out, talking a little bit, but me.
I'm gonna read off some numbers to you about the MVP voting for Patrick Ewing, all right? And and and I also take a look.
I'm gonna read off some numbers about the M V P voting and I also take a look at what is averages where that year.
I guess something like that.
If I'm able to get so this first, Take a look at the M V P.
Voting for four years straight, he was in the top five.
He was fifth in M v P.
He was fourth in M v P.
Voting 93 94 years fifth.
And then in 94 95 again, he was fourth and M v p voting.
All right, that's patch going Now, let's take a look at what he averaged those years.
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And I'm and I'm working towards it.
All right, in 94 95 will go backwards.
9 points and 11 rebounds per game, and we lost weight.
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OK, so and again in 94 95 We're going backwards.
He averaged 24 23.
9 points, 11 rebounds per game, 2.
7 assistant two blocks in 93 94 when he was 15.
Voting Patrick Ewing.
Okay, now, how came Elijah wanted that year? Not remember.
The voting is done before the playoffs.
Let's go back to 94 95 4 minutes.
David Robinson wanted, um, in 94 95 I believe.
All right now in 92 93 Patch Going, who was fourth and voting again his fourth of voting, had his 24 points per game.
9 rebounds, two blocks per game. Charles Barkley.
He was averaging 25 points, 12 rebounds.
And you go back to 91 92 when he was 15 voting at his 24 points, 11 rebounds, three blocks per game.
Michael Jordan want it in that season.
Hopefully, I didn't confuse anybody.
Look, we went forward and then we went backwards, so I don't know, Nate, you tell me.
All right? You tell me.
Do you think patch queuing was robbed of M V P.
Voting for any of those years.
Oh, means the possibility.
I mean, where did the Knicks stand in the in the, uh What was there standing in the conference in the conference? That's a good question. That's a good question.
I'm not sure for those factor.
That's always a factor, right? Listen, 93 94 Of course, the Knicks were, You know, the Knicks were killers that year? A again.
Patch you in 93 94.
Hey, was studying his order.
He was, He said, What you say? Yes, they play Jordan.
Right? That, um, 93 94.
I mean, Michael Jordan wasn't in the in the league at that time.
Michael Jordan In the next year.
The next went to the championship, and they lost to the Houston Rockets again Patch queue at 12 points, 11 rebounds, 2.
7 blocks per game.
And in that season, 93 94 the New York Knicks were 57 25.
They were first in the NBA in the Atlantic Division.
They were first in the Atlantic Division, but with a verse in the conference, No I don't think they were first in the conference.
They fell a little bit below expectations that season, spitting in the wind and your first conference.
Yeah, they wait a minute.
Actually, they may.
Well, they were expected to be 16 27 that season. Let's see.
Let's see if I can find a standing for that season where they were not sure where they were in the standings for that season.
But they were expected to be about 16 22.
They ended up being 57 25.
You can say, I guess you can say that they fell below expectations, but that's right around where they should have been.
That's that's still a really good record.
I mean, even if they were in the top three, I mean, absolutely, he should have got more consideration for M v P.
Um, I think the Rockets, where the Rockets number where they were number one right in the West with a larger one, uh, in the Western.
I'm not sure what they were The rest Western Conference, but looking right now, the Knicks were 57 25.
They were third.
They had the third best record in the league.
Yeah, The Seattle SuperSonics was 63 19 the Houston August 50 18 24 The Atlanta Hawks were 57 25 the New York Knicks were 57 25 3rd of fourth best record in the league.
But that's the problem with New York.
Man is there's like this New York biased, like the guy was joking around with Patrick Ewing.
Everybody else that in New York.
Eight's New York.
I don't know what it is.
Um, you know, I almost bet you that is the next word.
The House, like just a crazy season where they won 50 games.
I guarantee you, the best player on our team probably would barely get a stiff, but the M V p just because there's just New York biased against the Knicks.
I don't know what it iss I mean, Well, look, when When? When? Patrick.
I mean, when Carmelo Anthony, you know, was with Nixon.
He had one of his best seasons.
Uh, you know, coming off the coming off of the you know, coming off was the ****ytics.
He was even in the talk.
His top three he was top three.
Oh, he was top three, you know.
I mean, listen, listen, Patch viewing is right.
The media didn't like him.
I'm not saying that he it's hard to say that he definitely deserved to win it that year or enter here because there's a lot of competition up there.
Listen, came Elijah Wan wanted David Robinson wanted Charles Barkley wanted These are all, you know, Hall of Fame.
A lot of big in that in that race.
Yes, So it's hard to say that he was told he robbed, and obviously he was joking around playing around.
But the media did not like Patrick Ewing at that time.
He's liked now was much more friendly now, but he didn't have a good relationship with the media at that time.
You know, I mean, big shout out to everybody in sportscast demand that's that's on live with this.
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Thank you for the tip.
I appreciate you and everybody.
Listen, there was so many great players, you know, that was in the running.
It's hard to say.
All we know is Patrick Ewing was a warrior man.
It's a pretty good interview.
So if you get a chance to check out that interview, check out that interview a man.
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Yeah, good to man.
Uh, one thing about Ewing at that time, those will elite players back, um, back then, especially at that position, because Net and have a dream.
You had David Robinson, and then you Sprinkle in a little of Shaquille O Neal and Alonzo Mourning.
Those were great centers back then, and wars that they had amongst themselves, you know, playing they were They were epic, man.
They were really epic.
And, um, one thing about Ewing was he He left it all on the floor.
I don't think there was one night where you said, Oh, he didn't, you know, give his all he he was He gave it all the time.
They're all the coaching changes that, uh, that we had.
I forget how many coaches he you know that he, um that he had during his tenure.
You know what? The Knicks, But he just gave it all.
And even through his is contract, Um um, issue I forget the whole, um, what that whole thing involved.
But even through that, he was he was a professional.
He was the warrior.
And, um, once he left, I think, Ah, a part of that Nick Toughness slept left with him.
Oh, clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly, no doubt about it.
And no big shot.
Patrick Ewing, man.
Big shout out to Patch Boon for recovering from cold, but he's lost some weight.
Have you seen that video? He lost a little bit of weight.
Uh, it looks good, you know? Looks good.
I don't know if he lost weight because of cove it or, you know, just because he said, Hey, I got to get myself in better shape, you know, because of all this, Maybe it's a combination of the two big shout outs home, and I'm glad he survived, and he's healthy.
What was you saying now? Gamble.
What? What year were you debating what we were just looking at? You know, Patrick Ewing didn't interview with Alan Hahn and he said, you know, Alan had talked about, uh, the Dream Team and he said, You know, afterwards there were guys from the Dream Team David Robertson, Charles Barkley, Hakeem, Elijah, Juan.
You know, who went on to have some of the best years of their careers when the league M v p.
And you know Patrick Ewing said, You know, he was he was robbed.
He said he was robbed a couple of those years, you know? So we went on to look at where it was again. I go over it again.
Where he was in 91 92 he was fifth in M V P.
Voting 92 93 is 4th 93 94 He was fifth.
Maybe he should have been higher in 93 94 but it's hard to say.
I mean, they were the third best at at least 1/3 best record in League 94 95.
He was fourth in M V P. Voting.
So you're Robinson.
Want it in 94 95? Yeah.
So it s so here's who.
So here's who wanted.
It was Jordan he wanted in 91 92 and 92 93 It was Barkley.
So you had Barkley.
Ron Jordan was third.
Patrick Ewing was 4th 93 94 He had a key Malaysia, one wanted.
Then you had David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O.
Neil. Patrick Ewing was fifth.
I'm not all right.
And then 94 95 David Robinson he wanted.
And then he had to kill O'Neill, Carla Moni, Karl Malone and then Patrick Ewing was fourth.
So, yeah, about throw, I'll throw this into the pot.
If there was no Michael Jordan, so many things would have would have changed.
And I do believe that Patrick Ewing probably would have won one of those, Um, probably won a championship and probably would have won one of those MB MVP's.
Because when you take the Jordan, um, when you take Jordan out of the picture brings hope.
Yeah, I mean, I The only thing I say to that is the years surrounding.
So I gave off about five years the years around that he wasn't even in the top five, you know? So, you know, before 91 92 you know, he was like number 11 you know, he was on the rise.
Dobie was like number 11.
Um, you know, after 94 95 I mean, be active in 94 95.
You know, he wasn't really mentioned. Aziz.
One of the Oh, he wasn't devoting as much, you know, he was breaking down.
He was old, right? Right.
When it was at the year, he scored, like, 70.
Some points that might have been that might have been together.
He scored like that.
And it's tough because when you actually bring it down outside of the Jordan years, Barkley that year, he did have us Absurd year for the sons.
Now here they went to the finals.
Remember? There was like, the bases.
I all should join up one in his.
Jordan is a better player.
By that year, Barkley did deserve NBG and then the David Robinson year.
Um, here's a thing, right? It's tough because I got when you look at it, right, and they Rob said, Yeah, I mean, they don't really have anybody.
Really. Only on the Spurs.
I don't remember what, like they have shown that lead.
Even I don't remember.
We have a team, I think, Yes, he they did, cause I forget when Sean Elliott went to Detroit first.
But yeah, they did have ah, Elliott Elliott, then Yeah, So it's.
And when you see it sucks because the mixed always got looking as, like this ultra defensive team.
Right? So we're because Ewing, if you think about it, if you're being honest about it and this is one of the floors about these writers is that they go with storylines for a lot of the NDP is many time, right? When you look at the team, if you're China, say no actuality.
A guy who is a leader on both offense and defense.
That doesn't have, you know, a second offensive star, right? Legit bonafide offensive start.
You think that patch of, um would be up there right on? And look, this would hurt him back then.
The fact that I think Kevin said you had so many elite centers, right, so kind of muddies the water, right? Um, you know, if you had like, saying right now, even though he's not a center G honest gets mentioned because he's kind of one of a kind, right? I think At one point he was He average he was, like last year.
But here before, I think when you actually wanted he was number one and defensive efficiency and then number three in offensive efficiency, right? And you could just clear cut.
Look, I think this guy's an alien, nor is really like him.
And unfortunately, um, Plano ever where the guys have got it.
So do you think about Jordan? Was probably be proved the first wing player to dominate a center century.
I mean, dominate, dominate, dominate might just have a few years.
But we up Mom, nominee and change the power down the basketball in a missile tightened centers.
Right? So he was He was always going to stand out and then, you know, obviously with David Robinson being who was and Nicks also had a bad rep, you know, such one at Pat Riley.
They had this wrap up all their just There's 30 18.
That's just not sure which is not is not really even just the truth.
I mean, yeah, other teams are going to say that.
I mean it, Pistons.
We do the same thing.
So, Patron, I don't know if he got robbed by the voters for, say, you got robbed by the error, though the only thing I would say is the only season I would say that maybe it's possible is 93 94.
That was a logical was okay.
Allies you want was right, Allies want was a large one, so you can't argue with that.
But when you look at 93 94 by the way and 1988 89 you know, I took years after the Dream Team.
But in 18 89 he was fourth in voting, have its 22.
7 points and nine rebounds in 89 90.
He was fifth and voting in the average 28.
6 points and 10.
9 rebounds along with four blocks.
OK, that was a That's a dominant Magic Johnson.
Magic Johnson wanted that.
Yet Magic Johnson averaged 22.
6 rebounds and 11.
5 assists per game.
I want to go, and then you had Charles Barkley, who was second.
Jordan was third that year.
Karl Malone was fourth that year.
Patrick Ewing was fifth that year.
Now you know 28.
6 points at stomach.
9 rebounds, four blocks per game.
Man, he was dominating, dominating what? It came.
A larger one. How stupid.
This old Bassel this house stupid that year was 93 94.
Patrick Ewing was fit at 24.
24 point five points, 11.
7 blocks up the hill.
And then you had a LA Jawan.
Even though Ewing nothing to see that you and did have 2.3 assists.
The big man back that could pass.
I mean, literally get the 474 out of the top five that year were centers with sentence.
So the only the only one. Scottie Pippen.
David Robinson, 28 29.
8 points per game.
Three point Shack Averaged 29.
9 blocks per game, but for Ah Shaquille O Neal Best you just blame the parents, bro.
You alright? Was David Robinson Spurs better than the Knicks? or was the next better than the strident way we're bending the Spurs way.
They were going to the playoffs, right? I'm pretty Spurs e understand, but no, because the next had the fourth best record in the in the whole n b a.
So the Knicks were better than the Spurs Robinson got.
I mean, what was David Robinson's number? 20 six and 26 93 90 four? The Knicks were like 57 25.
It was a one game difference somewhere around there, so that better stats.
Robinson had better stats.
He shot better from the field a little bit, a little bit better from the field.
That gas he shot 50%.
Ewing South, 49%.
I never stalked up, Rob says. The score.
Osama's like a guy right around the rim.
Like problem was, Ewing was a guy who could space out a little bit.
Yeah, you're not sentence like that.
They're not gonna look at the center like it like this.
If ah, guy like Yokich right, was back, then they will look at yoga.
It's like Arvydas Sabonis, right? A guy who could score, but they didn't really.
I don't think they they really appreciate the finesse game of the centers, because again, the game was so settle Orient to that when you saw it.
Shack breaking, you know, the glass room and a team a la John with the dream shake down low.
That was more because Patrick Ewing he gets no credit for having a mid range that was, like, legit mid range.
He has no credit for that.
I am the only person I saw give him credit with.
Shaq was like, Yo, dogs, you guys not respecting Patrick.
And he's one of the greatest centers that no one talks about.
And he's one of guys that made the mid range for the center like like he was.
He perfected that.
So, yeah, you know, it was necessary.
That got old, because remember, you started, you know, kind of breakdown.
You guys like Shadow? Me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they they x patches doing, You know, if he played today, would he step out and shoot the three? And he was like, he was like, Yeah, he said it wouldn't be my total game.
He said I'd still dominate in the post, but I would definitely step out and shoot a couple threes and look, he had the form, you know, he had the shot to be able to step out and make a couple of threes, you know? Now he shot 29.
You know, I don't know what he shot throughout his career from three, but it wasn't there wasn't high.
Let me see Patrick Ewing with attempts right there.
The attempts weren't there, you know, because big men just didn't step out and shoot threes like that.
It's a time when Jordan was shooting, like 29% from three.
I mean, the three was not.
The three was like I was saying, Jimmy, but it wasn't Give me.
It wasn't really giving me, but it wasn't a stable part of the carrot, right? Right.
But I think you like this one.
Better medicine, better medical techniques, better nutrition and a guy would be dominant on defense and give you that often pattern.
You might win NDP this year.
And then he said, You know, you talked about some of the All Star Games I always wanted Patrick Ewing to go in to dominate when those All Star games man E never got around to dominate.
I know, I know two minutes.
So many people around his.
His top three All Star games in 90 and 90 91 he had 18 points and 10 rebounds, 92 93 at 15 points and 10 rebounds in 93 94 20 points and 15 rebounds in All Star game.
You know, knows and I don't know what you know.
The whoever won M v p.
I don't know what they had no to mean.
But 18 points and 10 rebounds gate well, all star games with different back then, You know, they played them differently back then, right? So it's a different game.
So they get 18 points and 10 rebounds.
And those all star games would was actually pretty good.
20 points, eight rebounds back in 20 actually, was actually pretty good.
You know, today, 18 points and 10 rebounds is nothing, because all they do is run up and down the floor.
You know, back then they actually played a little bit of basketball.
Yeah, and that's what really makes me you know, upset with many of these centers that are playing right now.
Because if they would just look at the film that that Patrick Moon **** and she killing all these guys did back then it would be more effective than what they are right now.
Because you take a guy like Mitchell Robinson.
He will be such a beast in the post if they would just if he can some assemble any amount of Patrick dealings Gang, Uh, from the, you know, come back then.
I mean, he'd be so, uh, so more effective.
I mean, just being right there in the post, cause that's pretty much what it is.
Ah, Center will be in a pose.
You you get it to him and he either make the past or make some either a turnaround or ah, hoc shot the Miss Net today.
Yeah, I it's definitely a different game, but when you get someone who can go outside and inside, you know they can definitely dominating needful need food now.
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What? You guys soon Patrick got robbed the year we went to the chip against the Rockets.
Hey, Sam, I got a question for you was out.
Do you think that Patrick Ewing's gain kind of hurt him a little bit because he was nothing special? I mean, he was a good player, no doubt about that.
But his game wasn't like, transcendent, like maybe a Barkley at his size are Jordon or a Magic Johnson or Shaquille O'Neal really flashy about his game, that he wasn't flashy? But I'm not going to say.
I mean, he was definitely Trance, um, franchise changing was clearly franchise changing because when he came to the Knicks, they were you talk about.
I mean, they were what we are now.
Maybe even worse.
You know what I'm saying? And once Patrick Ewing got to the team, you know, they, you know, they were not the what did they make 15 straight All Star team that I mean 15 straight playoffs or something like that at one point? So I mean, he was definitely a franchise changing player, you know? Um, but anyway, let's fast forward because Patch was not coming back to the Knicks.
Probably not even in the coaching manner.
The Knicks got to do something to get the ****** off the back.
Man, the Knicks occurs shaded patch beyond Nick's accursed.
I thought they had the chance a long time ago, even if they did it for just the season.
Patrick Ewing Jr was trying out for the team. He was.
He was in training camp.
In all that, I was like, Look, just put him on the team for a season.
Let's break the curse And there were good.
They put him on a team, Obviously, you know Pat Ewing, Jr.
They didn't put him on the team.
I see someone in the you tube chat, you know, say they didn't know that Charles Oakley was a an All Star.
Yes, he did make the All Star team once.
What I think is just wants.
No, he made it with the Knicks. He made it with the Knicks.
There was a time when it was Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley and John Stocks all made the All Star team.
That was the next year.
They all made Austin 19.
I think that's when they all went to the, uh to the All Star Game.
And so the Knicks now today, the actually interviewing Chris Fleming from the assistant with the Chicago Bulls.
You know they're going through there, you know, whatever they got to go through.
Chris Haynes reported that the Chicago Bulls lead assistant Chris Fleming in an innovative and innovative offensive architect interview for the New York Knicks head coaching vacancy on Thursday, which is today.
League sources tell Yahoo Sports, you know, Look, the Knicks had 12 people that they're interviewing, you know, and it's hard to say whether or not they're actually looking at this guy for a head coaching position or if they're looking at him as someone who could work with a if he is an offensive guru or whatever.
He says that maybe assistant right by what he called him an offensive architect.
You know, maybe he's someone who can help out a Tom Thibodeau, if that's what they're looking to get broken.
Maybe Tom Thibodeau says, Yeah, you know what? I need someone who can be an offensive guru on offense.
I like this guy, you know? No, that could help.
Boom put together an offensive system.
Listen, he's been an assistant coach with the Denver Nuggets 2015 16 an assistant coach with the Denver Nuggets, 16 17 to 18 19.
He was an assistant coach with the Nets, and then 19 2020.
He was with the Chicago Bulls.
A Symone Kilmer.
Let me ask you guys a question which you would you just Do You think it's a problem when the head coach can't pick his own assistance and management is doing that? You think that problem? Yes, yes, that that's definitely a problem with the head coach.
Should pick all of their own assistance.
And other people.
The only Yeah, all of his own people.
The only thing I would say is, Oh, if they are, you know, they got 11 12 guys that they're interviewing.
If they are interviewing thes guys, their top candidates, I would think on from the way that they have been going so far, seems like their strategic smart, right? Yeah, I would, but you But I would argue, too, that you Fizdale chose his own staff and those guys are a bunch of Muppets.
But I mean, but that's Fizdale you know that that's visiting.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, you know, I mean, you can trust you want guys that came out with You want guys, we're going to sit there and implement what you're doing, right? So this is actually a good example, but just slip into reverse like member when Doug Collins was with the Bulls and he had text winners and then they brought in Phil Jackson.
Get Colin CEO basically jittery, like he kind of had to have his, you know, his head on a swivel like you have to watch his back because they knew that that was a guy Look obviously worked better, but it usually doesn't like that's an extremely case.
I mean, I mean, for the most part, we don't want to be looking over years.
That and coaching different.
Also, the players skip displays are done.
They know that this is about being a chopping block.
That's why LeBron situation so interesting. Interesting.
But it's like most interesting because Opal has a basic walking a title, right? He based LeBron James basically coaching a team because they really looking for a head coach.
So he asked me, You don't want that in your locker room where now we have visions and is this is just not healthy.
Yeah, Same thing because you talk about the Lakers situation.
Okay, higher, Vogel.
But then you used a sin clean.
That's miss as an assistant.
I mean, was that forced on you, or did you actually pick him? And I'm gonna say he probably global, probably didn't pick it to be, as you know, is this is Well, then then did Frank vocal coach doesn't No, I think about everything about Lawrence. Frank Lawrence.
See? Oh, yeah. Frank Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah. Frank.
Yeah, it's Frank. Yeah.
Last name first.
I mean, I mean, I think, you know, coaches have to pick their assistance in those type of things.
You know what I'm saying? You know, it just has to happen that way.
And now, you know, a coats could say, you know, let's say Tom Thibodeau is the guy, right? And in the next thing, Tom Thibodeau is the guy, and they could say, Who would you like? Who would you consider? Give us a list of names? All right.
And then they go and start and then they go and start interviewing those guys.
You know, that's on that list.
So, you know, those type of things could happen.
Yeah, I was I don't know how Syria, and that's what I'm thinking about guys like Chris Fleming.
You know, you know, he doesn't have much of a coaching history, right? You know, five seasons as an assistant coach, not much of a coaching history.
So that's what I'm thinking.
It's probably it's probably them saying, you know, looking at, you know, maybe, uh, listen, he was with the Nets for a couple of years.
Can he act and send? Of course with the Nets, Right.
That could be someone that Kenny Atkinson said, Yeah, if I take your job, I want Chris Fleming, right? Cause you know Chris Fleming was with the Nets from 2016.
17 2017 18 2018 and 19.
So I don't know.
Things could be lining up.
Listen the next, interviewing Chris Fleming, maybe as an assistant to Kenny Atkinson course Kenny Atkinson.
And then what's his name that they just signed from the Nets that they picked up off waivers? Pinson Theo picks in, So I don't know.
Maybe he's lining up for Kenya like, but that guy in the booth, The reason why I was saying that is because what if Kenny Atkinson said, Hey, bring this guy because he's a locker room guy that I like? You never know, You know, we'll find out it's July 9th.
They said By the end of the month, we're gonna find out who the coach is gonna be.
Find out, of course, when killing, Of course, Jason Kidd also interviewed for the job as well.
And once Jason Kidd interviewed, you know all the rumors about Johannes and those type of things come out.
You know there's interviewing Jason Kidd gets you closer to Yonas, Bubba, Bubba, Bubba, Bubba, I one possibility.
And that's the thing that makes other players disrespect.
The Knicks are not have expected.
Next was like, Don't you hire wrong culture? Has a mixed sister.
Even with the honest, it was very honest.
It wasn't, is it the box wanted championship or got to the finals.
I mean, I really hope you don't do that.
I really hope we are.
Rose goes organic route because I hope not. I hope not to.
I got to get the honest and say We don't get Yana So you have Jason Kidd and say Jason Kidd wants to get rid of about charging or even a guy like Mitch if it doesn't warrant it right, because I don't want another Larry Brown with these things.
I thought we don't need these coaches coming in doing trash and they get fire two years or a year after the guys like those to get the right coat and build organic way, Get the ones organic.
Draft the right weight, though the team property or structure when those three agents come.
When you're in a position like the Clippers to make that type of move where we already have 40 wins off bare bones, whatever your team is now, they get him and you get the Collide.
Get the 50 60 runs through that Otis.
I just think you're media right now, but it's just immediate.
That's to me that we don't know.
We don't know what their mindset is in interviewing Jason Kidd.
I don't think he's going to become the next head coach.
I don't want, I just don't want it.
I just feel like I feel like the same thing.
My same reasoning.
And you all noticed that Mark Jackson is not on the list, but my same reasoning for not wanting Mark Jackson.
It's not that Mark Jackson can't is not a good coach.
I just feel like and you're gonna have 50% are gonna have to People stand people saying that we're doing the wrong thing, but not given, uh, Mark Jackson.
And of course, of course, Of course.
Of course, you know.
But I just feel like the personality is too big right now for the New York needs with Mark Jackson.
I don't you know anything that happened in Golden State with all of that? I don't have all the details.
I just feel like the personality is too big.
It's not just the personality.
It is also the just stuff that comes along with Jason Kidd.
Yeah, I got a question was up.
Um, I don't know if he did, it's already, but are you going to do a show where we may be talked like baby? The top five candidates for the head coaching dumb? Oh, man, we already do.
You get what you doing segments, but like, I mean, I don't know.
Have you narrowed it down to, like, the top fibers? No, I didn't narrow narrow down. We've just been through.
I don't know how many coaches I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks, man.
I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.
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So, Devin Booker and game I know you said you you're gonna covers, you know, cover a little bit of Devin Booker, right? Do you think it's serious? Do you think that he is a serious trade candidate? If that's what you want to say? If it in the old Knicks Yes.
Not waited it out.
Do we really want to go back down? The same around that we went through with Carmelo Anthony? The only difference is is that Devin Booker is on a long contract that he just started.
Why is that? I think we're going to get Devin Booker.
We're not getting Devin Booker Zisson struck way that Devin Booker is the best thing that has happened to the sons since since Steve Nash in a martyr side of miners.
Shawn, Marion, Ariel Winter.
What would they think about fleecing what they think about getting rid of Devin Booker? They have toe fleece.
So are we really going to get please again.
Come on, people like, stay the course.
We're not getting Devin Booker.
It makes no sense to try and get Devin Booker knowing that we got it fleecing and dropped a whole bunch of people our team has trade value right now really is all right now again, a Keio supported under heavy Subotic Children drills right now.
Also said was, Is it sir, You say it is serious.
I agree that book.
If you look at the sons this year of money Williams, they will.
A lot of people get seven book.
His individual stats say its usage rate, which actually went down.
He's actually a slightly better, more efficient player as a guy would have the ball in his hands.
So what they have right now something not winning its There's high what they could do with him.
Rubio over a three party offering.
So, yeah, they're not giving him up and again, it's all about a team like the Sun.
This is a team that had to they had to write the book.
If they can't, they can't attract major clears, right? You're talking about the economy in terms of your help and I'm not saying it's a suffering, but when you have a draw like that, we're not giving up.
Unless, like you said, you've given of the Carmelo Anthony entree a player.
So I I think it's have washed.
I think again, it's New York media trying to put things in.
People send it, you know, hopefully on roses, not like Dolan and doesn't pull that trigger.
But now, not that you have to give up its for years to come in and basically a whole team and playing with Jared Jeffries again.
But you have to bring him out of tired because no one else of you in the mix.
So this this is where it came from.
This where it came from, You know, uh, Mark Berman does a mailbag e.
He doesn't male back session every every every week or whatever it is okay.
And in the mail bag session, you know, he was ext about players.
And he said, however, since Leon Rose was hired as president the player to watch out for most it's sons combo guard Devin Booker, according to league sources.
And so, of course, from their you know, that's where it no, that's where that's where it goes.
Look, Devin Booker he's and he's under contract for four more seasons.
I'm not exactly service contract.
There's gonna look that up now to see what his contract is.
Uh, let's see what his contract is.
Devin Booker I'm pretty sure he's getting paid, you know, getting paid nicely and put ashore.
Phoenix Suns Devin Booker's contract.
Devin Booker makes 27 million this season.
1920 which this season is done for the Phoenix Suns.
He makes 29 million in 2020.
2131 million in 2021.
22 Hey! Makes 2033.
7 million in 22 23 36 million in 23.
That's his contract now.
They would he would if you if you trade it for Devin Booker.
First of all, you got to match that salary.
Okay? You can dio actually absolutely can match that salary.
You could match the salary.
I mean, Julius Randle makes 20 million by himself.
You got to find another 13.
Obviously they would want young players and they would obviously want pigs.
You know what I'm saying? That we can we could do that.
It's possible that was not about policing, right? That's precisely my point about policing.
You get rid of Randall, right? Then you have the other 12,000 contracts that we have that all the one and one deals you're not.
You don't know if you're gonna be able to retain those dudes if they're going to want to re sign.
So that leaves you the other young assets.
Who are the other young assets that we have on a team before? Robin Org.
And listen, it's probably, you know, it's probably a long shot in Phoenix.
Wants to keep him, you know, saying, But let's just for the sake of conversation, you know, you're gonna have to give up something young, you know that you're gonna have to get something young.
Um, and you would hope that it's not RJ, but those contracts the Bobby Portis is in those guys that's country'd those contracts, right? Even though and and then the other team would have until October 27th.
I mean, I'm sorry.
October 17th 2 Teoh wave those guys and then they would save money.
Now they if they traded Randall.
They couldn't do it with Randall because, I mean, they couldn't wave Randall this season.
They would have to wait until next to the end of next season.
Then they could wave ran.
Don't get out of that contract.
Eso if you look so it's if, let's just say for whatever reason, definable could say, I don't want to be here And the sun said, OK, we could look to trade you the next school together package where they could be relieved of his salary and not have to.
They could be believed that salary.
The Knicks were willing to take that on and get draft picks like those Dallas Mavericks draft picks and stuff like that.
I mean, it's impossible, in my opinion, in my opinion, obviously, you're gonna have to give up a young player If you're not trading RJ.
I would say it's possible to get it done without getting fleeced, because the Knicks the Knicks have more assets.
I think as far as being in a trade market that people believe because they have a contract that other teams can get out off, they can get out of him this season.
They could get out of Julius Randle's contract at the end of next season, and I have to pay him the third year if they want to.
The Knicks have multiple draft picks, multiple first round draft picks in this draft.
Then they have multiple first round draft picks coming up in subsequent drafts.
A since I got a question.
Okay, so I actually do believe that Booker is very realistic because the fact is that you have already said that they would entertain a disgruntled player.
Well, I tell you what, I'm going to go ahead and making this, um, make a bold statement here, but I feel that he's gonna be the next external player that's gonna want out.
Because Phoenix is not a market where he can. He can.
He can market himself.
And on top of that, they're not winning.
So he's gonna want to go somewhere where he's gonna wanna wanna win more gains.
And I have anybody is gonna win in New York.
Yeah, the market was over.
It was like, that's a ****ing start.
These guys don't care.
They get you're gonna pay 200 million like a hard and even uses a big market.
You don't get paid from a sneaker deal.
A bunch of 100. You don't care.
You you traveled to the cities of market yourself.
The New Yorker lore is Noah is not there.
And just because he is disgruntled again, I mean, the simple fact is not always gonna happen because he's disgruntled.
If will it happen if it's feasible? And right now we have little to no leverage in trying to pull a kid like that, especially with a team that's action on the uptick with a new coach and new silent play, which is a faster pace, we really have no leverage, right? And people have to remember.
But we had Carmelo Anthony.
What was one of the biggest issues over You don't We can't put enough town around Wareham strong with the situation that we're in.
So we had to pick up a chancy boat.
So, you know I don't want Trump Billups.
All of it is in the old every older years.
Jason Kidd, who again had that happy or whatever was great.
But against this 39 40 year old Jason Kidd, Me.
Do you want a superstar in the team when you have a bare bones team and you're scraping and gets a 40 weeks.
How many times you gonna place them? The only thing I say in this situation and I'm not saying that you know, Devin Booker is the guy that's on the market and that I'm just saying it with any one of these guys.
I do think this next situation is different, where they would not be stuck in a situation where they can't add more players.
You get a look when you look at the salary structure of the players that's on the team now, and the draft picks that they have that are not the New York Knicks draft picks, but draft picks from other teams that where the Knicks would not have to trade their own draft picks, they could trade other team's draft picks and the way that the salaries is set up right now.
I mean, the Knicks could trade for a player that has a contract like Devin Booker and still have enough money.
Teoh have enough money and still have draft picks in the future, you know, to put players around that guy.
You know, I'm saying, obviously this and the ghost you know you got to negotiate with the other team.
You know, the next gotta negotiate.
The other team has has to negotiate, but with the way things set up, you know, like I said, Devin Booker.
And this is just for the sake of argument right now, because this is who we're talking about.
His contract for 24,021 is $29 million.
You know, I'm saying you could easily, but you could easily you could easily trade Randall's 18 million, right? And then some of those other players that you had on short contracts, Obviously, you know, I'm just talking about salary cap stuff, you know, saying because obviously you gotta so young players in there and draft picks in there to make it worthwhile for the Phoenix Suns.
But you could trade those contracts and still have some young players on your team draft picks.
And really, it could be that i e I think it's a much different situation than Carmelo Anthony and about getting these species thes role players right on these again and wonder competing for these players so you don't even know you're going to get him.
No, But that's but that's but that's not what I'm saying.
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm talking about, the difference between Carmelo Anthony situation because you brought that up.
The difference between the Carmelo Anthony situation and the suits in the situation now is that the Knicks salary cap in the flexibility that they have is way different than it was then way different.
But because Sodom and mellows right at the Center Cup is definitely different.
Yeah, that's just take away the idea that the last thing you said is, But you know, when we drink about putting a team around Devin Booker again, do we want a situation where we have a uber talented player and nothing to put around him? Truly Nothing, really, too.
But I know we have draft picks, stuff like that.
We could miss a gap initiated Amtrak pace, but I have also come going to compete with some of these role players, right? Oh, I mean, these broke plays.
If that was a case that the book is this great time, he would have had a a lot more role players or better players playing with them with the sons.
I just I just don't want to get in and around the holdup that have finished.
It just doesn't.
I just want to become a name with this idea.
You bring them in, book it here, and then you get the peace around.
I mean, this is a guy as much as I like the talent. Devin Booker.
He's not a guy who brought his team to 40 50 some winds off his back.
Right? So when we talk about superstars, aji honest could do that.
LeBron could do that, you know? I mean, you know, I guess hard you to call in that, which is basically I often said around him.
But Devin Booker is an elite score.
It's not a plus defender.
He's not gonna give you much.
But that offense and it is often it can be elite.
This guy's gonna carry a team.
So I just want us to be careful, because when you do that, your staff the bill again.
When you're rolling the dice, I get it.
I get it. I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying, but I'm just saying, you know, it's possible for even regardless of Devin Booker and I see someone say, You know, why would Phoenix want Randall? I just used Rando as I just use a contract as as as an example, you know, saying you could do Bobby Portis.
He makes $15 million.
You could do Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson and another player, you know, plus in young player.
And I'm just saying, I'm just showing you guys out there.
It doesn't have to be Randall because they may not want Randall, but the Knicks have the flexibility in their with their salary capped the witness.
And I cant destruction right now to be able to make moves and still have money left over Teoh, ADM or players.
So that's the point that I'm making.
I'm not saying that it's going to be Randall or anything like that, you know, saying you're right.
You know, the Phoenix Suns.
They're in a better position in the New York Knicks.
Like someone just said in sports, guys in the chat, you know, they're actually, you know, gonna be playing for a playoff spot I got there in the West.
So how one of the things about that, the only thing I'll say I don't know what their, uh what their record actually is.
Right now, the only thing I I'll say about that is some of that is politics, because the 39 26 39 the n b.
Wanted to make sure that Zion Williamson was going to be in the bubble, right? Right.
So they was like, You know what? We got to make sure we have just enough teams in the West so that Zion could be there.
You know, um, I want to say one thing.
I think that the management team that Liam Rose has in place along with this Kabbalah gist I think that they would make they will find a way to make that trade work if it materialized.
That's what I was going to say because Leon Rose put some key people in positions where we've struggled with.
So I mean, he put it, apologised.
In there. He's got World Wide West.
All those all those relationships that they've developed over the years.
I think that's another key for us, too.
Teoh get not only Kevin Booker for probably some other free agents as well, because when you look at the management team that we have that we have before Leon Rose Canning and then the management team That was back during the with Carmela.
Carmelo and, um and, um in Star Mark right here.
This management team right here.
I'm really like what's you know, everyone that's in place.
And I think that they could really make that trade work.
That's what I want to say.
Way have to give up.
Let's let's come up with the right.
Let me get taking.
Let me get to Andy.
Got Andy. I'm sorry.
Yeah, isn't getting you.
I think you got yourself, you know? And you he's off mute.
It looks like there goes.
Try again to try to get in now you still needed Hey, me trying to get high, I think.
Okay, It says over here it says over here you are muted.
He says over here plugged in.
But why is getting that fixed? Because I don't understand sign language.
So how did you get that fixed? What was just saying Gamow? I was just saying Let's let's come up with what we think Theoretically could work in terms of every package out picks and players.
What do you think That doesn't have to be Devin Booker or just any me.
I mean, I know if you're talking about Devin Booker, you know, because every player that just trading for its going to be the other team is gonna want something a little bit different, right? Because you're giving up a guard.
They probably want a guard or whatever it is that they need for their team.
Um, jeez, if you're talking about Devin Booker again, he's gonna make, like, $29 million next season.
So you got a match that salary now, you know.
Sorry Didn't go, Andy? Yes, and I was gonna ask the same thing.
Get what's gonna be the package that team is gonna pay for months? I don't know, man.
Probably they probably would.
That probably were along two first round picks.
They would probably want one this year.
One from this year's draft and one from next year's draft.
The way you do, they want the early first round pick the lottery pick, or do they want the number 27 who lives and who knows? And a lot of that depends on I think a lot of that also depends on the team that Leon Rose put together their negotiating skills to Because they, you know, who knows? You know, they could say, we'll give you the 27 will give you the Clippers pick this year.
And the next year you get the high pick, you know, trying to bet that they're not gonna have this high of a pick next year.
Um, clearly, in my opinion, is gonna be to first.
It would be two first round picks, one year with a high pick and one year with a little pick.
And of course, So you know, next year you have Dallas.
You have Dallas is pick next year.
So now the next.
The next question follows, that is.
Well, what is it if we make that trade foot for Devin Booker, what is it that Phoenix actually needs on the floor? Because we already know that we're probably gonna have toe include Julius Randle on there so they don't want a power forward.
They're probably going to be looking at getting another to ward three guard, assuming to guard or three.
So Well, that's that.
Why you're gonna look at you? Gonna look at the number the projected number six lottery pick going because there's no there's no real twos or threes like that coming out out out early in the draft.
So I'm looking at it like this one thing.
If I'm a team like the Phoenix Suns and Devin Booker says to me, I don't want to be there anymore and I'm going to trade him, I'm going to say, OK, I'm not at this point now.
I'm starting over.
I'm not going to take back four years off $30 million salaries, So I'm gonna look to get contracts that I could get from under.
And the Knicks do have that without even trading Julius Randle to them.
If they didn't want him right, they could trade Bobby Portis ties, gifts and Elford pay in.
They may not even want help paying back right, but still, you know, they wouldn't have to keep him.
They could wave on families $1 million then he's gone, right? Eso so you could make salaries match just by using those guys and then a young player, and you might have to give up the number six pick.
So would you do this? What if they said.
If they said if they said this and obviously this is just a scenario if they said Give us Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson Elford pay in this year's six pick if that's what it's going to be and next year's Dallas pig would you do it? I would.
I would do that.
I would do that if and on Lee.
If we can find a way to move that number 27 pick to move up in the draft with that number 27 pick, that's the only way way.
Don't need that point guard trying to put all of our assets into the incident, Harper and, um, And so And unless we're trying to put all of our assets on the point guard position in the Harper and who's the other point guard from the league, then what's his **** name? Uh, talking about years.
Peters the Mark Peters LaBarre, Peters.
Unless we're trying to put all of our all of our point guy assets inside them to and really trying to focus on their development for the future of potentially DOJ being moved or you know, injuries, I'm I'm trying to move up in the draft to somehow some way get a point guard.
And with that number that that first you know that that number six lottery pick being gone were really hurting our chances at getting a solid point guard.
I hear you trying to move that 27.
So if there was a way, listen, everybody, you know, this is just all hypothetical scenarios were talking.
If there was a way that, you know, they knew okay, we could trade because I'm gonna read off these contracts for you with the New York Knicks and how it could match up to that 29 million for Devin Booker.
Because that's what you would have to match right without without it being Julius Randle.
We're assuming that, you know they don't want Julius Randle because he's not a stretch four, right? It's not a stretch for.
So let's assume that you're talking about Bobby Portis, who makes 15.
That's a big chunk of change right there.
Taj Gibson makes 9.
4 million already.
That's 24 million right there.
All you gotta do is find another $4 million to match it.
You could throw Reggie Bullock in there.
That's the other $4 million that could match that salary, right? And they could get rid of all of those guys and not have to and have $30 million free for the next free agency.
Not this free agency coming up.
Well, yeah, actually, they could.
They could do that and have $30 million free for this free agency if they traded him during the draft and in Phoenix waived those guys by October the 17th.
Phoenix could have $30 million for this free agency to use if they cared about this free agency and then the next gave up the six pick next year's one of next year's Dallas picks.
They may want to even go deeper to a second round pick who knows.
But add to that.
Let's just say the Knicks knew that they had a plan in place to trade up so they could get killed.
Lewis, Would you do that? Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. In a heartbeat.
I would do that.
So, you know, what was it? What was the trade package so certain? All six were trained.
So the trade, The trade package is essentially Bobby Portis, Reggie Bullock, Elfrid Payton.
Right? Which would make up that something like that and that would make up our that would make out bar.
What would you say? 27 million.
29 for that make up.
That's when I'm running and making 29 million and then put together a package to move up the 27th pick.
So potentially get care, Lewis.
We have the six again and I'll be giving up any other way.
I think we've got to give up the six pick and we possibly gotta pick give up the Dallas pick for next year.
So with that being said, yes, I would do that.
However, I'm only doing that on the pretense that I can move the 27th pick and a couple assets first.
But I can guarantee that I have a high enough position to possibly pick up Karen Lewis.
That 27 pick doesn't get moved and moved up first.
I'm not touching that idea of trying to move for Devin Booker, okay? And I know a lot of people probably like all wise, and right now it says, you know that I No, that never happened.
And of course, you know, we're looking at it and looking at it and trying to find a way not to give up.
Mitchell Robinson R J.
Barrett, right? Eso todo So the only thing.
So the only thing that you can think of is what will relieve you so that you don't have to pay any money, But obviously they would want Ah, young player in return.
You would think that they would want to young player in return, they might want Frank Miller.
Kina, would you add frankly, looking into the package? No, I'm not.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that.
E they I mean, talented play.
They're gonna want Frank of Mitch, bro for Devin Booker that I yes, they want they want through.
Negotiation is coming into play where you like yo to the the two young players.
You're getting this year's draft pick your own drafting from this year and next year's ran with me in this to that, that I'm looking at my because again these moves are going to be made before the season starts.
So if they I'm sure I'm sure Phoenix is already looking at Okay, what are players I can pick up in the draft it's again.
Guarantee me some type of young assets.
Phoenix is thinking that.
Then guess what? They may strike and get.
Get a silent lottery pick, right, And they're going to get the next ladder.
You think that what you say, fleece, you have a disgruntled player like it Snows.
Hypothetically speaking that he's at this kind of player.
They want to put him on a situation on a team where he don't have nothing.
You don't have nothing to play.
Well, you okay? You want to do this to us? The team that some of you put all that surrounds you.
We'll put you on the team, and we take away all the assets open.
Even if they don't want a frank, They have a friend and possibly sitting on a bench and not implement him at all.
But they don't want a situation.
You have to think about these teams.
Also, Justice Petty.
It's all my friends of pity.
He seems a petty, so I still could see that I look at the logic like, Oh, I could draft this guy, This guy, this guy, because it in their mind, they might be thinking right.
We make this trade, right? You know, like looking 80 trade right way.
Give this place a They gave some pics.
They might be like we might, even if we have the fab picks.
Dallas has been relatively well, so we're never ever, ever gonna be able to get another guy like that.
So you know what? We're gonna get Devon book that he's gonna be a If we didn't trade him, he's gonna be this team beat this.
Gonna play or not play Mr and Games.
He wants to do that.
Who put him on a team where he could have nothing to play with making bathroom.
So I agree with you that happen? What you think about is, theoretically, you're thinking I would be thinking in a logical manner, but I am not.
Things are frank.
Let me ask you this.
If you could let's just say that they say Okay, you know, we'll do it without giving up without taking Franco Mitch, which I agree with you.
They would want one of those guys, but let's just say hypothetically.
They did say that.
Would you then trade Frank to try to move up so that you could get care.
Lewis trade the 27th pick and Frank Miller Key.
And so you could move up to get care of Louis.
Lewis Devin Booker, R.
Barrett Mitchell Robinson knocks for trading Prank.
Yep, they make it on the same page with that doing, not before Franks and I move RJ to the three.
Let Devin Booker play that, too, and leave Julius Randle at the four Mitch at the five.
And let's just start rock like that.
But let's think.
But let's think logically about a dough.
If a team Well, now, let me not say, Let's think logically, because the team that they trade for the move up may not care about Karen Lewis.
So if you trade away Phoenix, they would want Frank because they would be looking to replace a young guard.
It said What we can't were not gonna replace him on offense will place him on defense.
You don't need and I know I don't know. Get Booker.
I mean, you're gonna have to give up some mad assets, but I'll say this if the Knicks could find a way to trade for Booker and keep Mitch and RJ that extends Scott Perry.
The only thing is that I would say this about Mitch is that they already have a guy in 18.
Exactly what? Just wouldn't work, but again, assets, assets and his team, they would.
One acquires many assets as possible, cause you could also take out, like, mission flipping.
You take a guy like a and if you see what they want, even I think they were in over ***** and flip them.
So just having those that cachet of assets, they might be able to go into a drive and say, All right, we'll go to another team and give you Mitch, give up the number three or whatever we allow someone to whatever facts, right.
Let me get a phone call. Call your life.
How you feeling? Good.
Just talk about the potential of trading for Devin Booker.
I think Julius has to be in that deal.
Why Julia has to be an ideal is because his production value, you know, cause you still want it still kind of what? The sun we're gonna look for.
Okay, we're losing Booker.
But how do we get that kind of production that he's giving? No matter what we think of as Nick Sand's about Julius Randle, he's not a number one option.
They have already a number one option in 18.
So now Julie's becomes the number two.
Yeah, but does Alien and Julius Randle fit together? I think so.
Because five think eight years later, I think 88 so is a better passer and his offensive game construction cause I've watched sons games and I and 18 to stretch the floor a little bit with his mid rage and not sensibly stretch it out to the three to the three point.
But he can still stretch the floor, and he's a Willy's a better passer than nature.
Okay, but I think that the trade, the trade that I would give to the sons that is realistic, I think, would be Julius Randle.
And then you give them the pick off.
What Whatever other young guys do you want, isn't it? Is DS J is account that about a hill.
These are still these are still young players at the end.
There still 2122 they still fame that arc.
I don't think you're touching the 2000.
This year's first round pick.
You go over to him and say, Listen, you could have our 2021 pick next year, but it has to be top three.
It has to be top three protected.
If it falls inside the three, you can have it, then you get to 20 to pick.
But also, you can have also the pick off either the Mavericks tapes as well as the Clippers pick for this year.
They're not gonna want to take Taj and Bobby Portis, but an elf opinion.
But see the thing I think we'll see.
I think the reasoning behind those guys is not that they're going to keep him is the fact that they had the ability to waive them and open up $30 million.
That that is true.
But also, if you're the Suns, would you rather just get that extra money off? Or would you rather have young pieces? Well, try to have it.
Would you rather have a DEA chair? Knocks other than a other than waving l for opinion? Yes.
Well, I would me May.
I would rather have the money, because if I'm getting this six pick and I got my pick and you know I got another pick for next year, I would rather wait.
Those guys get that six pick and then now look to see what I could do with that $30 million some other young players.
Because Dennis Smith Jr he's probably going to be a free agent.
Not next year, but the year after.
Frankly, Lucchino be a free agent the year after, right, you know, and so they'll have money to be able to say, Well, you know, look, they got Devon.
Not that there's a lot and free agency right now, But if you're giving away one of your main star players, right when your franchise supposed to be a franchise player, that's on the books for 30 million plus for the next four years, then you say, you know what we might as well, instead of taking back players that maybe we don't want, we might as well have this money free.
Now, if you talk about someone like, Frankly, Lykina or Dennis Smith Jr.
Maybe they agreed to take that person because they could get rid of the contract at the end of next year if they want that that.
But also those guys are more cost control than the other guys because we've seen Phoenix say, Oh, we're trying to go after LaMarcus.
They never get that free agent.
They've never gotten right.
I don't remember the last time they so maybe I do take the two young guys.
And even if it's frank, India's just for argument's sake, they take Frank India's J I.
Okay, now I still have these young guys which are in our age, our age arc, of how we're building this team.
And we had thematic out of controlled costs.
Those guys are getting 10 maybe 10 to $12 million other than trying to sling for big free age that we've never done so I would rather take the young pieces rather than take the shot of Okay, we have $30 million.
Let's see, somebody would finally take our money that we've been trying to give it away since the amount of s****om are Steve Nash.
I think about it.
I don't think anybody's going to Phoenix.
Okay, was the destination because the destination because they had Steve Nash.
They had Mike D'Antoni.
You know, they had those.
They had an innovative offense.
So that's why freeze will go there now.
There's no reason to go to Phoenix other than the weather right now.
I'm not talking about them adding a major free agent with that money.
I'm talking about them now.
They've got the six pick.
They have their own pick, right? What? What? What is that pick projected to be this year? I don't know how things are gonna play out.
You know, somehow they made the playoffs.
That would drastically change their pick, right? I think so.
I think there's still water.
They're still in the lottery.
If they don't make the playoffs, If they don't make the playoffs, there's still in the lottery.
So what they projected to be this year? I think it was maybe ninth or something like that. Ninth or 10th.
But they weren't far behind bars for a total.
I think a Zara's went a lost four games in front of mixed.
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
Somewhere around 9th 9th or 10th maybe they're projected to be eso Now you get a six pick, you get possibly to top 10 picks with this year you have DeAndre in.
And then you say, Okay, now we got $30 million not to add a star, but to put little pieces around these guys and young pieces.
Other young piece around these guys and see what you know.
See if they can flourish a little bit.
I mean, there's different ways to go about.
And who knows what Phoenix would want to do if that were to happen? Yeah, I think for them it's a decision of Do we take the money? Do we take the extra money, or do we just go after the production value of like Julius and a couple of the other young players along with along with pics? Because I think that's what kind of gets it done is getting Julius, which is somebody because they can like like everybody said before they conflict Julius.
The next year they keep taken, taken, taken, taken from next season.
They can slip him, they wave.
They can waive them at the next season if they wanted to, but I doubt they were.
They can use them as an expiring two seasons.
For now, they decided to pick up his option because he's still 24 years old.
I think 24 are you just turned 25.
So he's still in that he's still in.
I think around them us Knick fans.
We see Julius Randle.
We get sick a title because we've seen him every day.
I think that he does have value around the league as not a number one, but maybe a middle of a number two or a definitely ah, high number three type player on your team.
I just don't think that hey, he and DeAndre eight and would fit well together.
I think they'd be too slow at the 45 spot to guard.
You know what's out there today, and I don't think that they would have enough.
Although the Andre eight and consume the mid range.
I don't think there would be enough shooting to spread the floor out to allow either one of those guys to really go to work.
Um, between those between the four or five.
That's that's why I don't think that they would look towards Julie's.
But I don't know you never know.
Hey, I appreciate it, but I figured I one last thing.
I think it's I think it's going.
You think it's gonna happen? Okay, I think so.
I think it's gonna happen because I think Devin Booker is gonna want to say I Devin Booker scored 26 points a night and he can't even get into the All Star Game unless somebody gets hurt.
That's the stuff about the branding stuff that I think that helps in New York.
He's going to get more.
Look, she's coming into a sneaker contract being in New York.
That was gonna help him for exposure.
That's what these athletes are looking at now.
Obviously, if you're Katie LeBron, it don't matter where you are.
You could be in the middle of the ocean and you can, you know you can garner on attention because who you are.
But some of these other players sometimes they need that L.
A. Or that New York market.
So you think it happens at the draft because if it was gonna happen, it's gonna happen over.
I think I think it happens in this quote unquote the summer.
But in cities in the free agency, period in free agency, period.
If you're going, If you could make it in December Well, I say if you if you have to, it if you're going to include some of the x o are some of the contracts that you can wave, then it's gotta happen during the draft because those contracts have to be waived by October 17th.
So noted the Phoenix.
In order for Phoenix to be able to waive any of these contracts, the trade has to be done.
And they've got to be able to, you know, Then then then Phoenix can waive those players.
So and now those players are not included.
Then it could happen at any time.
Yes, we'll see a man.
I appreciate your call, bro.
Uh, Nate and I only got a few minutes here, so I only got a few minutes left.
I got Oh, I got the wrong thing up on the screen and get that off.
Let me get you a new technique.
So the caller brought up a good point about dfj and we productive include him.
Um, if let me ask you this question If, let's say Phoenix does value this draft, you know, maybe they have players they have circled on their board that they feel my be around there in the middle of the late round.
If they ask for the players with expiring contracts DS J and both New York for from picks this year, would you consider Oh, say that again? Say it again.
If they offered that they wanted all the expiring contracts.
A Taj, the L for Pains, all those whatever you want, say, and D.
S J and both New York Knicks first round picks this year, would you do it? I'm not giving up both phone for this season.
That's a that's a some not getting from this season.
Both picks that If we do both picks, who's our point guard? Mill? Akina.
Okay, so Frank Lucchino is starting one who's coming off the bench.
Weigh other options on the roster.
But that's what I'm saying.
Well, you talk about all those expired.
We still got money to that.
It kills Elbert statement.
If you talk about all the expiring contracts that includes Alfred painting, who's a point guard that and then we lose it D S J.
Who is another point guard.
So I only point guard that we're gonna have is gonna be, frankly, Latina.
And there you go offer friends that Ben believe that contract was You wouldn't You wouldn't have to.
You wouldn't have to give up all of those contracts.
You could do three.
You could do like, now you could do.
You could do Bobby Portis.
You could do Wayne Ellington because he made $10 million you could do Reggie Bullock if you wanted to.
And that would make up 30 million.
And then you still have Elford paying.
You know, I'm just saying, if that's what you wanted to do, so you wouldn't have to give up all of them.
I was just curious that I think that I think that Phoenix would want acquire as many assets right now as possible because they don't know what those of the draft picks are gonna look like it down the line.
I mean, yeah, I don't know why you guys so positive about this about the feeding sounds first.
Think I'm asking is R J.
And it's not I'm called putting down the phone back in the 1st 2nd because I don't believe Booker has that no trade process.
So I can straight into the next 28 around for the better package.
If you're not putting in RJ two parts around pigs or a pick and Mitch or or Frank or not, I don't think they're gonna do it off a favor and take those contract that we signed.
The guy just just traded way doing us a favor, but it wouldn't be doing.
Obviously, they're gonna ask for young, ah, young player.
But I think taking those contract doesn't you know, it doesn't just do us a favor because we have to give up.
You know, we've got to give up either young guy and, ah, high draft pick to it.
Does them a favor.
Because remember Denver Booker's on the books for, you know, 100 for But for years, Paul George, you saw the Packers football George guys gave up 44 sound things.
Now that's crazy.
And I took I think Booker over Paul George now because Paul George is not finished our timeline, I think Well, I think the thing with Paul George, though it is a little bit different because Paul George has been there.
You know, he's been there, has something a little bit different.
Um, I I mean, e obviously, obviously, if you did Knicks and they say R J Barrett in nothing less than R.
J Barrett and another picked and you say no.
You okay? I'm not interested.
And managed one for one That that's not possible.
Like so I think that's why I don't see it happening.
I don't even know if he's disgruntled.
Yeah, that's what if he had a no trade clause.
That's a whole different kind.
That's a whole different story, right? That's a good start in half that if he doesn't have a man taken over him for I don't know who just, you know, really a doesn't of being play instead of just away on over pay.
Oh, you know the wit, You know, I don't even know, you know, obviously, because Leon Roles and Devin Booker have a relationship, you know, from agent, you know, you know, agent player relationship.
You know, all those all these rumors come to be.
So I guess we you know, the next the next three months I think that they could talk something off a little bit later.
His contract, Not that much money all the way.
So I think that that that's not my happen in two years.
But not now, that in this year Yeah.
I mean, you know, probably right.
And it probably doesn't happen at all, you know? But I guess we'll watch it and see if anything like that even comes about.
I do feel like, you know, they're going to be looking to make some kind of a move during the draft or or during this summer.
I think they're gonna be looking to make some kind of Hey, Andy, got a question for you, don't you? Don't you think that it would be a good incentive if you know Devin Booker and says, Hey, I don't want to be here anymore.
Wouldn't it be a good sensitive Teoh get up off of his contract for the next four years and only be able only need toe payout players from a trade from from an option, trade team option trade and only give them an extra $1 million be free on the books like I'm not.
I'm not too sure if having you know a guy on the books for the next four years is something that's a off the books for the next four years.
It's something that they were not willing to do, especially if he's disgruntled.
But it is not like after they trade him.
They still gotta pay him like we're literally trading that years that years finances that they would have normally spent.
Then they only have to pay out that year with a $1,000,000 per those players that we trade and their their books are completely clean from any large contracts.
So we had the air of a good incentive for them to do off course would be.
But I said if he doesn't have a no trade clause, he can't pick the team so they can.
They can trade him toe very sort of for cap.
They can trade on.
Oh yeah, well, yeah, I mean, the Boston for Tatum, for for John Brown wherever not know that gets and then and Julius Randle.
So you know, I think I think I think what he's saying, always at this point, would they be not fully starting over but saying, you know, instead of trying to go get a gentleman, Brown, you know, we got this six pick.
We're gonna have to pay the six.
Pick about $10 million a year for about four years.
We got our own pick our time.
We're gonna have to pay about 77 to $9 million for four years, Right? Because those first round picks are guaranteed.
You know, we could get up out of his contract.
You know, we take back about 10 million with the first round draft, pick that number six pick and then, you know, do whatever else they're going to do.
I mean, who act drama game of the bidding sounds.
I'm not doing that because that's a tool.
That's a restart.
And that's gonna be a factory start because you're gonna have that extra big and extra cap space.
But for me, it's still not enough for losing Booker.
If I can trade him for, you know, All star player Now, almost another co author player.
Even so, uh, I don't know.
I guess it will all depend on their strategy.
Would they be looking to say, you know, we want to add another all star player trying to put with eight because we think we can get into the playoffs.
We think with that good or you know what we'll take and we'll try to get these young guys who knows? I don't know, eat away.
I guess we'll find out.
You know, we'll find out what the Knicks are looking to do in the next 03 months.
We'll see what it's all about.
But I'm about to head out of here.
Fellas, uh, I'll probably jump on tonight and do a, um just do a call in show.
Probably had this conversation all over again, but we had this conversation all over again.
Goes but, uh, any last words? You guys want to get off before I get out of here? I said I just sent everybody and unused and yourself Evergreen.
Don't get police.
New York, Do not get pleased If this idea of Devin Booker is something that I want to put a few Russian I'm OK with, You know, just understand that the intent is to move RJ to the three nationally.
If we're getting rid of random, then we quit.
Kevin knocks at the four where I've been saying for two seasons now where he naturally should be, and then you're building with the right coach, whoever the hell that maybe.
But whatever you do, whatever you do, do not get caught in the mellow trap.
Do not go in the middle track because I'm telling you like that is, that is one of my biggest fears.
Is losing a bunch of assets and a bunch of players specifically draft picks, great losing draft picks for for Devin Booker.
And we don't even have the correct system toe to be able to run improperly.
So whatever. Whatever.
New York fans who just be three patient but pray to God that Leon Rose and World Wide West and all these other people, all these other assets we got will allow us what will allow us to be in the best position available without getting a Sooners are under Isaiah.
We get a whole bunch of noise in the background talking about okay, I think the Knicks, the Knicks are probably in the best position.
They've been the longest time with assets, expiring contracts, draft picks.
I mean, like I said, they could not make any moves and still improve this team just by the draft and free agency.
Um, I would like to see them bring in a, uh, you know, appear, you know, up and coming superstar player like a booker.
But if it means giving away R J.
Barrett or even Mitch, then I'm probably hanging up the phone and just saying, you know what? We're just gonna stick with what we're doing here and, you know, wait for the next best deal.
Okay? All right.
Um, I was a good man.
This Listen, you tried a new talent.
Can you talk about talent? But you can't like your technology is terrible.
You say you got noise in the background.
What kind of talent is that? Palin with big mouths.
You know, I just wanted to say today with the Evergreen Show and we were just on the part of the Evergreen show.
Uh, you know, I just got to say, man, when it comes to Denver book of its kind of polarizing because, like, is he really that good? Is he just really a good offensive player that just in sport and you know, points.
So because I noticed, you know, Carmelo him are different, But do we really want to play it as offensively? Good, but doesn't mean anything else, really? To the table.
Like, you know, I just got I just got to trust the Knicks and hopefully, you know, if it's if the deal is good for us, but we're not giving up to too much Aziz because we protect that, you know, the next year's pick because I know elections talent and the job is gonna be good, but I'm not trying to bank on that.
But I'm just saying so let's a man it is.
The deal is gonna do it.
If it's not, then let's just keep doing what we're doing organically and all right.
Let me see Andy.
Yes, isn't I don't know if you saw my SportsCastrs bu Let's call it if you heard me.
At least I would solve stress Man, I did the over.
Yes, they know that the calf and they didn't plug into SportsCastr videos.
I was like talking to the camera.
Didn't see gettable writing, breathing and the voices store.
Oh, man, I did like 30 minutes and then I read the first common and voices loathe.
I hope the guys from sports got to bump it up because they said they could do it and put the stream on.
So, you know, I think that if someone watched it, watches it and joins me for part two, I hope I'm gonna open to support the window.
Yeah, hopefully, um, I wasn't able to get on at the time, but they do a good job of going back and fixing some things like that.
So it's easy to take care of it right away.
Yeah, It makes you guys go check Andy out, man, I'm telling you, the NBK network is gonna be hit and went to the season starts.
We're gonna practice mode now.
We're in training camp.
We change right now, but went to the season starts on all seven.
A lot of that was because of my name.
And I wanted to look more pro than his move.
The whole the whole stream.
Like I was afraid todo time, you know, and yeah, because, you know, I was a You know, Isaiah.
He'll have his phone.
You have the phone flashing all feel have a can of coconut water in front of a screen.
You know it is Mama.
Minute. Back ahead.
No, you're exactly right.
We can hear him give.
I had a difficult thing, man.
Again, this is a guy who's a really good offensive talent defense fees.
I'm gonna give you much what we have to give up.
I'm pretty sure you have to give him a ransom for him.
You know, because again, the Phoenix Suns, they look at them in books, like are changing the team around you.
Write it. Got money.
Williams aboard Ricky Rubio.
I get better streets and take the blob.
Um, uh, Booker's hands make it more effective off the ball like a legit shooting guard on bits.
Seemed to be working, you know, even though the records not back Great that some of the workings of the statistics t statistics offensively look a lot better on it.
Seems like they trust him.
So I doubt that makes somebody but in touch just do.
Devin Booker would not want.
Yes, but for what we have to pay. Probably not.
So I got again, you know, on my channel leading the Knicks Got episode coming out 7 15 today.
Got to channel on YouTube on bed.
I think I'm gonna go on with Devin.
Book are a small Devin Booker bricked out.
I'm gonna toy around with the stupid SportsCastr thing that should be issued before getting issues because of the old bs ing.
But I'm gonna try to do it just but I guess we'll be s just feel myself.
But stupid question.
Do you need the O.
B s? If you want to do, like, say, zoom and have other people.
So, uh, SportsCastr has its own version of that.
So you you don't need You don't need o b s to do it.
All you got to do is when you go into SportsCastr, take on co hosts, and it lets you let up to, like, five people.
And they just did a new feature.
They just opened up a new feature called The Waiting Room.
So you got people kind of in like a green room, you know? S Oh, that's pretty cool.
So, no, you don't need sports.
You don't need o b s to do all of that.
I will try to go around like se three o'clock.
Three, maybe 3 30 on SportsCastr.
My SportsCastr channel is Oh, is, uh name is Guillermo kissed a or at Guillermo, I guess.
So I could send it out to you guys so we could just sit in China and talking about a They haven't Booker and fantasized got probably right, you know.
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