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00:00:06
And with that, we welcome you back in two.
00:00:09
SportsCastr news where, as always I am Adam.
00:00:12
Are Breck talking? All things N b A and a happy Fourth of July.
00:00:16
It's Ah, Saturday.
00:00:17
Here on the East Coast we have ah, son, hopefully planning.
00:00:21
I'm poking its head out soon enough, and everybody may be getting to spend some time, if not in slightly smaller groups, and you may normally enjoying the family, enjoying the weekend, enjoying the holiday.
00:00:32
So we do come in here, though, to give you a couple of brief updates.
00:00:36
This news coming out just yesterday that Victrola Depot has officially opted out of playing down in the bubble in Orlando.
00:00:47
Now Braga, who had tested his team and tested positive for the Corona virus of back.
00:00:53
I think it was about mid June, though he is still planning on going down, enjoying the team there as well.
00:01:00
But obviously, Victor Oladipo, not playing, could potentially make it difficult for the Indiana Pacers.
00:01:07
There's a couple of different facets to this one, obviously, we know.
00:01:10
He only appeared in 13 games, starting 10 for the Pacers down the stretch as he was coming back from that very serious injury that he had suffered going back to the before of the year prior.
00:01:23
So it's been a while since all the Depo has been on the court has been a while since he's been on the court and looked like the Victor Oladipo that we've all grown to know.
00:01:33
Now the interesting thing here that I will say is we'll dive in on Victor Oladipo stat lines, most notably so we can talk about here.
00:01:42
Ah, the regular season that we could take a look at that if we want to.
00:01:46
But but more specifically, I think for me is going to be that when you look at Victor Old a depot on, we can go back to because a postseason.
00:01:57
But even the regular season averages where we're talking about here in the 2019 2020 season and that limited sample size though 26 minutes a game, knocking down 39% from the field so that be a career low and again a small sample size.
00:02:13
His career averages up at 44% from the field.
00:02:16
The big number that we noticed, too, though he was looked like he was start to get a little bit more of a rhythm on the back in the season was 30% from beyond the arc.
00:02:24
You know, you go for his career numbers at 35 just the two or three years prior to this are leaving the 1st 2 years in Ah, in Indiana, we can say 34% and 37% from beyond the arc.
00:02:35
So that's a potential issue there as well.
00:02:38
In spite of the fact, though, that he was playing 26 minutes, giving you just under 14 points a game.
00:02:46
Now again go back to the year prior 2018 19 where he only played in 36 games.
00:02:51
So again, maybe a relatively small sample size but 32 minutes per game.
00:02:57
Eso playing significantly more minutes, obviously, and giving you almost 19 points per game, but 42% from the field.
00:03:06
So a few percentage points better there to go along with the fact that using again, knocking down 34% from beyond the arc.
00:03:12
So there was a drop off here and you anticipate that when you see a player suffered the injury like he did, but it's going to be interesting to see how they come back.
00:03:20
This is one of the concerns they have run any players in the league.
00:03:22
But if you know me and being someone who covers the Brooklyn Nets Kevin Durant, right, what is it going to look like when he gets back on the floor? How long will it take him to get back into a rhythm? And will any areas of his game be diminished now, when we talk about the NBA's standings overall right now, Indiana Pacers, If they were to go into the bubble and come out essentially locked into the same position after the eight game restart, their in the five spot.
00:03:48
So they beat looking to take on the Miami Heat there in the first round of the playoffs.
00:03:53
And listen, How does that matchup fair for them? Maybe it's a coin toss in a lot of ways, I think the Pacers have been the kind of team that have maybe outperformed expectations over the last couple years, especially with the loss of Victor Oladipo going back to the year prior.
00:04:08
Brodkin is obviously stepped up on.
00:04:10
There's been other players like Sabonis that have done a nice job for them as well, but I don't know what the playoffs we're gonna look like for them.
00:04:16
The unfortunate element here when you talk about every team replacing players that they have lost would be that Victrola Depot.
00:04:26
So just to give you kind of the full scope here, Victor Older Depot says, quote, I really want to play.
00:04:32
And as a competitor and a teammate, this is tearing me apart.
00:04:35
I feel like I'm at a great place in my rehab and getting closer and closer to 100% with all the variables from how I have to build my five on five workload back up to the increased risk of soft tissue injury which could delay my rehab and the unknown exact set up in the bubble.
00:04:52
I just can't get my mind to be fully comfortable in playing.
00:04:56
I have to be smart and this decision hasn't been easy.
00:04:58
But I truly believe continuing on the course I am, I am on and getting fully healthy for the 2021 season is the right decision for May and that's fair and I think the front office for the Pacers said they completely understand that rehab is a process that you don't really wanna have these type of variables around, on top of which, because he was getting back and building up those last 20 games of the season before the shutdown really would have served him well.
00:05:25
To be able to get into that rhythm, no matter how you look at it to stop, is going to put a kink in him building up that workload because he only got 13 games in order to start to get that rhythm 30 games.
00:05:36
I think you see him being healthy, feeling really comfortable and being excited to go into the bubble in Orlando and show that he's back fully healthy over the playoff run now.
00:05:47
The other problem is here, though, is even though all the Depo is not going to be playing due to the injury.
00:05:53
He will still travel with the Pacers to Orlando and will receive his full salary because of that.
00:05:59
So basically he's making the distinction and rightfully so.
00:06:03
This is an injury on coming back to play, but I'm injured and I don't feel comfortable enough to play, so this isn't about specifically saying I'm opting out of playing in the bubble.
00:06:15
This is just saying I physically am not comfortable playing when the season resumes.
00:06:19
So because of that one, he collects his full salary, lose anything out there, and then the other side of it is, it prevents the Indiana Pacers from being able to bring another player onto the roster to quote replacing.
00:06:31
If it was opting out, then they have the chance possibly to replace him with someone.
00:06:35
If he had tested positive for the Corona virus, then they're being opportunity replacing.
00:06:40
So instead, this is still going occupy a roster spot for the Pacers, and that puts them in a more difficult spot.
00:06:46
When you think about there's depth and having viable bodies on the court for them, the last thing that we will touch on here is, ah, the free agency that will be coming following this season.
00:07:00
And when we take a look at that list, the interesting one that you start to have to wonder about is if you recall.
00:07:07
I think I've got a stream on this a while back, and that was Victor.
00:07:09
Oladipo turns down the four year, $80 million extension offer from the Indiana Pacers he feels like he should be in line for that Max contract opportunity, and I can't necessarily argue with that from his perspective.
00:07:24
He was playing at an incredibly high level prior, and now, even though he had a little of a slow return, he still feels like, Listen, I want to be paid for what I've accomplished to this point, right? Not the 13 game sample size, and certainly not based around the injury concerns that some people, including the Pacers, may have.
00:07:43
If you want security, I will say that there you can make the case that the Pacers are offering him.
00:07:50
Ah, some level.
00:07:53
Excuse me as I try to just bring up the ah, the contracts at here, Um, having security when you're coming off of an injury like this, having the understanding that you know, when you think about, um, when you think about all the depo and whether we're not, he'll ever get back to that same place.
00:08:23
I apologize from just gathered up all my thoughts here when you think about whether or not he'll ever get back to the same level he was at.
00:08:29
And when you think about where the MBA is and the impact that the shutdown has had, the impact that the Corona virus has had and where the salary cap is going to look next year.
00:08:37
Based on it they get, they get the revenue shares up.
00:08:39
If the contracts all line up, all of those factors could mean that the four year for 80 million was actually a pretty solid baseline to give yourself.
00:08:47
He will be, of course, an unrestricted free agent in 2021.
00:08:52
So now the question becomes, Will he play this out and look to go to the free agent market? Remember, he is 28 years old, so you know, you're talking about being right in the prime window of his career and looking to get paid to do so.
00:09:07
Going back over the length of this contract, he did earn at 25 when this contract started 21 million.
00:09:14
That is Ah, the cap hit that follows all the way through every year, so they're in balance.
00:09:19
Contract in that regard did not rise on a year by year basis, but again at 28 2020 2021 season will be the final year of his deal and then it will hit the unrestricted free agency.
00:09:32
So because he came off of injury, Indiana was looking for a little bit of a discount, offering to security and effectively offering in $4 million less over the same four year period.
00:09:42
If you rule the depo, you probably feel like I already proved myself over the 1st 2 years off this contract, regardless, some of the injuries that I sustained.
00:09:50
If you're the Pacers, you're thinking if we pay you out a substantial contract that you can't get out from underneath, and you continue to have injury issues where we fall on that similar player like Gordon Hayward there with Celtics, right? Never quite got himself off the ground there with them. Now.
00:10:05
Looks like he's trying to get health and get his legs back underneath him.
00:10:07
But he is going to be a free agent as well.
00:10:09
This immediate off season.
00:10:11
What do you How do you do? How do you do that? How do you assess the value of Gordon Hayward when you haven't been able to keep him and keep him on the court for your team? And if you're Gordon Hayward, you're thinking I had a hard time staying healthy.
00:10:22
This next payday needs to be a good one for me.
00:10:24
I don't know where I'll be in a year or two as far as my ability to stay healthy, stay on the court and stay productive.
00:10:31
So these are some of the caveats.
00:10:33
I find it interesting.
00:10:34
I think if this is a walk here for older Depot, you might be hearing a very different tune from the Indiana Pacers.
00:10:40
That early extension offered by them, I think, is again trying to get value, but also thinking if he gets healthy and if he gets back on to being Victrola deeper that we've known, we're gonna get some real value in a couple of years.
00:10:51
It'll be interesting to say, to say the least you're gonna have some moving parts here for the Pacers of the Enter the bubble will keep an eye on.
00:10:57
It will be curious and, as we've said before, will continue to say there's nothing really to prevent any of these teams from entering the bubble and having a really sense off, we can make some noisier right, depending on what players, for what teams have to pull out whether it's health, whether it's Cove in 19 of whether it's ah, injury risks.
00:11:19
Whatever the case may be.
00:11:20
Those of the factors that a lot of players are taking to account.
00:11:22
We'll continue to see more positive tests, unfortunately come out and all we can do is wait and see how the rosters look when they go in.
00:11:30
And then the 1st 8 games, once everybody's in the bubble is going to be is everybody stay healthy.
00:11:35
Do you get any more positive test wall inside the bubble? If over the eight games everyone seems to test clean and clear, then I feel like you can move forward into the playoffs.
00:11:43
Knowing these teams and saying I think these are the rosters will see all the way through.
00:11:47
But there's no guarantee with the workers and who's gonna be in contact with the players over the course of their time in the bubble that you won't still get the occasional flare up.
00:11:56
The big question mark will be Is it going to be the same percentage wise that we've seen? Especially down in Florida, where spike in cases have occurred not to bring us down on July 4th weekend keep an eye on the Indiana Pacers.
00:12:09
They always manage to somehow still be a competitive team, and I'll be watching them as the restart begins at the end of this month.
00:12:17
That being said, as always on Madame Orbit right here on SportsCastr news reminding you to have a safe, happy and healthy Fourth of July weekend with friends and family wherever you're spending it, I will be back again, talking all things N b A Thank you for checking in with us.
00:12:31
We will catch up with you soon.

Why Pacers can’t replace Victor Oladipo with Lance Stephenson

Bad news for Indiana Pacers fans: Star guard Victor Oladipo will not be playing when the NBA bubble games get underway. Still bad news, but slightly less bad than the first news for Pacers fans: They can’t sign Lance Stephenson as an injury replacement for Oladipo even if they wanted to. Vic shared his sentiments […]

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00:00:06
And with that, we welcome you back in two.
00:00:09
SportsCastr news where, as always I am Adam.
00:00:12
Are Breck talking? All things N b A and a happy Fourth of July.
00:00:16
It's Ah, Saturday.
00:00:17
Here on the East Coast we have ah, son, hopefully planning.
00:00:21
I'm poking its head out soon enough, and everybody may be getting to spend some time, if not in slightly smaller groups, and you may normally enjoying the family, enjoying the weekend, enjoying the holiday.
00:00:32
So we do come in here, though, to give you a couple of brief updates.
00:00:36
This news coming out just yesterday that Victrola Depot has officially opted out of playing down in the bubble in Orlando.
00:00:47
Now Braga, who had tested his team and tested positive for the Corona virus of back.
00:00:53
I think it was about mid June, though he is still planning on going down, enjoying the team there as well.
00:01:00
But obviously, Victor Oladipo, not playing, could potentially make it difficult for the Indiana Pacers.
00:01:07
There's a couple of different facets to this one, obviously, we know.
00:01:10
He only appeared in 13 games, starting 10 for the Pacers down the stretch as he was coming back from that very serious injury that he had suffered going back to the before of the year prior.
00:01:23
So it's been a while since all the Depo has been on the court has been a while since he's been on the court and looked like the Victor Oladipo that we've all grown to know.
00:01:33
Now the interesting thing here that I will say is we'll dive in on Victor Oladipo stat lines, most notably so we can talk about here.
00:01:42
Ah, the regular season that we could take a look at that if we want to.
00:01:46
But but more specifically, I think for me is going to be that when you look at Victor Old a depot on, we can go back to because a postseason.
00:01:57
But even the regular season averages where we're talking about here in the 2019 2020 season and that limited sample size though 26 minutes a game, knocking down 39% from the field so that be a career low and again a small sample size.
00:02:13
His career averages up at 44% from the field.
00:02:16
The big number that we noticed, too, though he was looked like he was start to get a little bit more of a rhythm on the back in the season was 30% from beyond the arc.
00:02:24
You know, you go for his career numbers at 35 just the two or three years prior to this are leaving the 1st 2 years in Ah, in Indiana, we can say 34% and 37% from beyond the arc.
00:02:35
So that's a potential issue there as well.
00:02:38
In spite of the fact, though, that he was playing 26 minutes, giving you just under 14 points a game.
00:02:46
Now again go back to the year prior 2018 19 where he only played in 36 games.
00:02:51
So again, maybe a relatively small sample size but 32 minutes per game.
00:02:57
Eso playing significantly more minutes, obviously, and giving you almost 19 points per game, but 42% from the field.
00:03:06
So a few percentage points better there to go along with the fact that using again, knocking down 34% from beyond the arc.
00:03:12
So there was a drop off here and you anticipate that when you see a player suffered the injury like he did, but it's going to be interesting to see how they come back.
00:03:20
This is one of the concerns they have run any players in the league.
00:03:22
But if you know me and being someone who covers the Brooklyn Nets Kevin Durant, right, what is it going to look like when he gets back on the floor? How long will it take him to get back into a rhythm? And will any areas of his game be diminished now, when we talk about the NBA's standings overall right now, Indiana Pacers, If they were to go into the bubble and come out essentially locked into the same position after the eight game restart, their in the five spot.
00:03:48
So they beat looking to take on the Miami Heat there in the first round of the playoffs.
00:03:53
And listen, How does that matchup fair for them? Maybe it's a coin toss in a lot of ways, I think the Pacers have been the kind of team that have maybe outperformed expectations over the last couple years, especially with the loss of Victor Oladipo going back to the year prior.
00:04:08
Brodkin is obviously stepped up on.
00:04:10
There's been other players like Sabonis that have done a nice job for them as well, but I don't know what the playoffs we're gonna look like for them.
00:04:16
The unfortunate element here when you talk about every team replacing players that they have lost would be that Victrola Depot.
00:04:26
So just to give you kind of the full scope here, Victor Older Depot says, quote, I really want to play.
00:04:32
And as a competitor and a teammate, this is tearing me apart.
00:04:35
I feel like I'm at a great place in my rehab and getting closer and closer to 100% with all the variables from how I have to build my five on five workload back up to the increased risk of soft tissue injury which could delay my rehab and the unknown exact set up in the bubble.
00:04:52
I just can't get my mind to be fully comfortable in playing.
00:04:56
I have to be smart and this decision hasn't been easy.
00:04:58
But I truly believe continuing on the course I am, I am on and getting fully healthy for the 2021 season is the right decision for May and that's fair and I think the front office for the Pacers said they completely understand that rehab is a process that you don't really wanna have these type of variables around, on top of which, because he was getting back and building up those last 20 games of the season before the shutdown really would have served him well.
00:05:25
To be able to get into that rhythm, no matter how you look at it to stop, is going to put a kink in him building up that workload because he only got 13 games in order to start to get that rhythm 30 games.
00:05:36
I think you see him being healthy, feeling really comfortable and being excited to go into the bubble in Orlando and show that he's back fully healthy over the playoff run now.
00:05:47
The other problem is here, though, is even though all the Depo is not going to be playing due to the injury.
00:05:53
He will still travel with the Pacers to Orlando and will receive his full salary because of that.
00:05:59
So basically he's making the distinction and rightfully so.
00:06:03
This is an injury on coming back to play, but I'm injured and I don't feel comfortable enough to play, so this isn't about specifically saying I'm opting out of playing in the bubble.
00:06:15
This is just saying I physically am not comfortable playing when the season resumes.
00:06:19
So because of that one, he collects his full salary, lose anything out there, and then the other side of it is, it prevents the Indiana Pacers from being able to bring another player onto the roster to quote replacing.
00:06:31
If it was opting out, then they have the chance possibly to replace him with someone.
00:06:35
If he had tested positive for the Corona virus, then they're being opportunity replacing.
00:06:40
So instead, this is still going occupy a roster spot for the Pacers, and that puts them in a more difficult spot.
00:06:46
When you think about there's depth and having viable bodies on the court for them, the last thing that we will touch on here is, ah, the free agency that will be coming following this season.
00:07:00
And when we take a look at that list, the interesting one that you start to have to wonder about is if you recall.
00:07:07
I think I've got a stream on this a while back, and that was Victor.
00:07:09
Oladipo turns down the four year, $80 million extension offer from the Indiana Pacers he feels like he should be in line for that Max contract opportunity, and I can't necessarily argue with that from his perspective.
00:07:24
He was playing at an incredibly high level prior, and now, even though he had a little of a slow return, he still feels like, Listen, I want to be paid for what I've accomplished to this point, right? Not the 13 game sample size, and certainly not based around the injury concerns that some people, including the Pacers, may have.
00:07:43
If you want security, I will say that there you can make the case that the Pacers are offering him.
00:07:50
Ah, some level.
00:07:53
Excuse me as I try to just bring up the ah, the contracts at here, Um, having security when you're coming off of an injury like this, having the understanding that you know, when you think about, um, when you think about all the depo and whether we're not, he'll ever get back to that same place.
00:08:23
I apologize from just gathered up all my thoughts here when you think about whether or not he'll ever get back to the same level he was at.
00:08:29
And when you think about where the MBA is and the impact that the shutdown has had, the impact that the Corona virus has had and where the salary cap is going to look next year.
00:08:37
Based on it they get, they get the revenue shares up.
00:08:39
If the contracts all line up, all of those factors could mean that the four year for 80 million was actually a pretty solid baseline to give yourself.
00:08:47
He will be, of course, an unrestricted free agent in 2021.
00:08:52
So now the question becomes, Will he play this out and look to go to the free agent market? Remember, he is 28 years old, so you know, you're talking about being right in the prime window of his career and looking to get paid to do so.
00:09:07
Going back over the length of this contract, he did earn at 25 when this contract started 21 million.
00:09:14
That is Ah, the cap hit that follows all the way through every year, so they're in balance.
00:09:19
Contract in that regard did not rise on a year by year basis, but again at 28 2020 2021 season will be the final year of his deal and then it will hit the unrestricted free agency.
00:09:32
So because he came off of injury, Indiana was looking for a little bit of a discount, offering to security and effectively offering in $4 million less over the same four year period.
00:09:42
If you rule the depo, you probably feel like I already proved myself over the 1st 2 years off this contract, regardless, some of the injuries that I sustained.
00:09:50
If you're the Pacers, you're thinking if we pay you out a substantial contract that you can't get out from underneath, and you continue to have injury issues where we fall on that similar player like Gordon Hayward there with Celtics, right? Never quite got himself off the ground there with them. Now.
00:10:05
Looks like he's trying to get health and get his legs back underneath him.
00:10:07
But he is going to be a free agent as well.
00:10:09
This immediate off season.
00:10:11
What do you How do you do? How do you do that? How do you assess the value of Gordon Hayward when you haven't been able to keep him and keep him on the court for your team? And if you're Gordon Hayward, you're thinking I had a hard time staying healthy.
00:10:22
This next payday needs to be a good one for me.
00:10:24
I don't know where I'll be in a year or two as far as my ability to stay healthy, stay on the court and stay productive.
00:10:31
So these are some of the caveats.
00:10:33
I find it interesting.
00:10:34
I think if this is a walk here for older Depot, you might be hearing a very different tune from the Indiana Pacers.
00:10:40
That early extension offered by them, I think, is again trying to get value, but also thinking if he gets healthy and if he gets back on to being Victrola deeper that we've known, we're gonna get some real value in a couple of years.
00:10:51
It'll be interesting to say, to say the least you're gonna have some moving parts here for the Pacers of the Enter the bubble will keep an eye on.
00:10:57
It will be curious and, as we've said before, will continue to say there's nothing really to prevent any of these teams from entering the bubble and having a really sense off, we can make some noisier right, depending on what players, for what teams have to pull out whether it's health, whether it's Cove in 19 of whether it's ah, injury risks.
00:11:19
Whatever the case may be.
00:11:20
Those of the factors that a lot of players are taking to account.
00:11:22
We'll continue to see more positive tests, unfortunately come out and all we can do is wait and see how the rosters look when they go in.
00:11:30
And then the 1st 8 games, once everybody's in the bubble is going to be is everybody stay healthy.
00:11:35
Do you get any more positive test wall inside the bubble? If over the eight games everyone seems to test clean and clear, then I feel like you can move forward into the playoffs.
00:11:43
Knowing these teams and saying I think these are the rosters will see all the way through.
00:11:47
But there's no guarantee with the workers and who's gonna be in contact with the players over the course of their time in the bubble that you won't still get the occasional flare up.
00:11:56
The big question mark will be Is it going to be the same percentage wise that we've seen? Especially down in Florida, where spike in cases have occurred not to bring us down on July 4th weekend keep an eye on the Indiana Pacers.
00:12:09
They always manage to somehow still be a competitive team, and I'll be watching them as the restart begins at the end of this month.
00:12:17
That being said, as always on Madame Orbit right here on SportsCastr news reminding you to have a safe, happy and healthy Fourth of July weekend with friends and family wherever you're spending it, I will be back again, talking all things N b A Thank you for checking in with us.
00:12:31
We will catch up with you soon.

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