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I can't.
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So it's hard to determine when you think about a guy like Bella checked, you win championships.
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It makes some of those things easier to digest.
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Likewise for a Gregg Popovich, right when he is a little bit short on the sidelines, it could be a lot easier for them to do sound.
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And you just didn't If you bust pose, losing its not make house Look here.
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Is Keith got me coming in now? Looks like Keith may still be dealing with a couple of technical issues. Unfortunately.
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Well, see, it's could This probably isn't even on keys.
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And if I'm being honest cause he has ah, pretty nice set up over there so we'll see if he can connect in there.
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Um, eso one of the things that we think about what Popovich is Well, though, is the stories beyond that, right? So, you know, for example, when Sager was dealing with his illness around the NBA again, another sideline reporter you saw a pop of this show.
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His human side shows personal side.
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And make sure that that Sigur understood how much he cared about him and what I wanted to know that he was loved around the MBA.
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That's a thing where you see Papa, that's kind of break down that fourth wall, right? Going back to the days when he's winning championships even said at a leader, was, Ah, Tim Duncan's retirement saying, Man, I'm not here if not for 10 Duncan.
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So that's a lot of the value that you additionally get when you talk about a head coach that both understand the value he brings and then also can show humility and also can deflect the accolades to the players, knowing that on the back and by the way season this season and run to run, you're going to be in a position where you are setting expectations.
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The work ethic is another thing that everybody talks about.
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Popovich is 68 years old now and yet still going.
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It looks like he's going to write his own ticket at its families, finally done with the San Antonio Spurs.
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But that again is going to be this way in the city because you've built up that kind of cachet with a franchise with a quick be here just to check again and see.
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Looks like Keith is probably still checking on some audio right now.
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So can you hear me? OK, so I'm just not using my headphones.
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I'm not using my set up.
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I'm just gonna go straight into my Mac book.
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And I think that I don't want to interrupt this dream any longer with you're good, man.
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Listen, even if you were to visual, you could've been a visual component for us and just been, you know, eye candy for the listeners.
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Uh huh.
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But no.
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So I ran through.
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I was using a little bit of, ah, and out of the out of the n b a example of, like, Bella check and how you get one.
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You get to get away with certain things, how you handle on interact with the media.
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But that comes on the track record of winning.
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And then you've also seen a few and far between you get stories about Belichick.
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Where you hear that? Like he's a personable guy.
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He's a funny guy.
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He's a family man, like, away from the game.
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You see that he has a very normal has has all of the attributes of a normal human being in spite of what you see on game day, baby, and that feels a lot like Popovich to write.
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Like he spends those times in between quarters being very short, very dismissive with sideline reporters, and I just highlighted this.
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Won't won't be traded, but the door is birth story around the finals of him going out of his way.
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This is something that he's seen and interacted for his entire probably coaching career and just letting her know high.
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I know who you are, what, you how you're spending your summer.
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What are you gonna be dealing? I want talk to you as an individual.
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And it feeds into this this narrative that we heard about Popovich, that he has this very personal, um, intimate kind of side to him when it comes to not just media beyond the televised element.
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But then the players is to write like it seems like the culture.
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That organization is a top down from Gregg Popovich.
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Yeah, I love Pop.
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I think he's an old school guy, and that's why we see that shine through where he was around and doing this stuff before there was so much social media, you know, it's the end coverage, you know, This guy's is treating people right that he's known, like adores Berg outside of her, having a ESPN microphone in her hand and, um, compare person with Belichick, I think with Pop and Belichick, right? We saw Belichick kind of get into, uh, a little bit of media trouble.
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Or at least they tried to drag him last year on Twitter when the woman reporter, the young lady, asked him about Antonio Brown, I didn't have an answer.
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He kind of just stared down and, you know, wasn't very polite with their when all she was doing is, you know, doing her job.
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All she was doing is asking the question that we all wanted to know.
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You sign Antonio Brown like, Tell us something about it now, Um, I still think Bellatrix a good guy, but he has, ah misstep with that recently in his way that he's handled the media.
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Pop doesn't have too many mistakes, and even in this climate that we see in the last couple months, not even in the last month, the Spurs didn't put out a statement.
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They let pop be the first person speak.
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They let pop be their statement.
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He came out and spoke and I saw people saying all the n b A.
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Teams put out statements except for the Spurs and the Knicks.
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I said, Yeah, well, with Spurs like right, Popovich lead them.
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The Knicks let teams Dolan lead them.
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There's a big difference.
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Yes, it's known school guy that really gets it as far as the Mount Rushmore of coaches.
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I was thinking about it quickly.
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It's him in Phil Jackson, and then, if you want to give him the nod because of this is social awareness speaking out.
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He's great, you know.
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But those one liners and his demeanor with the media, but he's always locked in as a coach.
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First media stuff.
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Second, I think that might put him on a feel a little bit.
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Bill also kind of tarnish his legacy by going to the Knicks and being in the front office and not being able to help them at all and having kind of a cop out.
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What is interesting, too, because, like I pulled up, you know, Ah, the list of championships for head coaches, obviously, Phil Jackson with 11 and then you get into that weird one.
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Ah, with red, our back, Just because of the air of N B A that he was coaching in.
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What was the level of competition that they were sometimes working against what he has.
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Nine? Um, you know, Pat Riley has five Yes, 55 for Popovich and then Steve Kerr with three.
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What I will say is because, ah, I would think that Phil Jackson would've been part of the Steve.
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Kerr and Popovich were immediately a part of the coalition of head coaches in the MBA to try to figure out how do we help continue to move this move, move this social awareness forward? And how do we continue to let the players be heard and support them in what they want to dio? Um, they were very active and also calling out other coaches, whether in the n b a r owners in the NFL, Popovich called out Jerry Jones very, very directly, as far is not coming out and making a direct statement or showing some level of support around these things.
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The the interesting to me is like Steve Kerr.
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I include him in this group.
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Phil Jackson, Popovich.
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The occurred different versions like they approach it differently, but all have very hold intimate connections with their players, right, whether it's Phil Jackson with the yoga and this getting into the mindset that you to approach games with.
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Of course, the last dance do***entaries like to Phil Jackson being around, and I don't know if that paid away at all, but it certainly seems to be.
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I know they say, if you win, win and that's it.
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But even Pat Riley noted, players or players kind of I as well.
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He's in the front office now, but you can without having this element.
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But it seems like it does you leaps and bounds to be someone that is connected to the players as people and then connected to them as n B A players because you know what the town left, you're going to accomplish a lot.
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But if you can get a little bit of actual out of somebody because they feel like you're in their corner, both on and off the court, I have to believe that that moves the needles for these franchises.
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And for some of these bigger name players, I need to buy into a system as opposed to being their own unique talent.
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Yeah, that's That's the biggest thing I think with these coaches.
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All of these coaches are exes and all those guys, they know the game.
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They know where to plug and play players.
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But if you can break through that surface level of OK, this is my point guard.
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This is my center and like who these guys are as people who they are off the court, what they need when you watch the last dance, we saw Phil Jackson, just be honest, said that Dennis Rodman to get the most out of him, he needed a break.
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Need to let Dennis, Gobi, Dennis and he was okay with that.
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He knew that the team could survive without him, and he knew that dentist would be better for it with them letting him go live his life to come back.
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I think Pop is someone that God speaks so highly of, not just on the Spurs Team USA and this is built relationships with some of the greats.
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Coby LeBron and these guys will always be highly apart because he transcends just being the leader on the court.
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He's an overall leader.
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He cares about you.
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He cares about your family, cares about where you're from, what issues you're concerned with more so than he cares about his public image, more so than he cares about Social media more so than he cares about the online interviews or halftime interviews.
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So when you look at a guy like Pop and you look at Phil Jackson, even Pat Riley, right, like adjusting to see what Pop, I would love to see where Pop goes next.
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There's a lot of talk about him putting his house up for sale, and I would also like to see if he does take a front office role because we've seen at Riley do it.
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We've seen Phil Jackson do it Now.
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Pat Riley has some rings in the front office.
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Phil Jackson does not.
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But, you know, we heard Dwayne Wade speak about his relationship with Pat Riley and how it was kind of tarnished when you know he ended up leaving and going to the polls.
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Cavaliers.
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He felt like he deserved mawr.
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Now I feel like Pat Riley had a better relationship with the Wayne.
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Wait or do some, you know, they might have been able to come to a better agreement.
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We might have with that.
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I think Hamas shot to go from coach.
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He's not done as a coach, but he could go from coach to GM and have a better resume as a GM potentially than on Phil Jackson.
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Maybe might not get any rings like like Riley.
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Pop is up there in the basketball world.
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Overall, pop is Yeah, that's, um, you look over.
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There was no special adviser role that a lot of organizations have, like that's what I feel like, i e.
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I wouldn't think that he would deal with the Spurs almost in some ways just because there's such a well build or his haste and that they'd have people that would be coming up the pipeline.
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They're gonna get those opportunities.
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We know he's seen Tim Duncan on the sidelines there, so it feels like there, the other a little more disastrous if it because I think everything that sucks on 100% a part of what makes popular so great, but you go inside winning percentages to any listen.
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Steve Kerr is currently nurses just behind him right now, So they're heard Connect is gonna be interesting to see Onley 2014 for occur 2018 for Nick Nurse, so very relatively small sample size, but Gregg Popovich has done it since not 99.
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It looks like here, with a 6 64 win percentage fit like fifth overall in N BA history for winning percentage.
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And that's one of the things to that, even though some of the other names on the Pat Riley is pretty high up there.
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Remember, like Don Nelson spent a long time as an MBA.
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Head coaches well, on this goes into that other element.
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I'll be curious to see how Nick Nurse does their house.
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People take the courage in line for this being able to hold your position for an extended amount of time, where then you get to develop your style.
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Have you want to be with your players, right? Cause how many times you have a ah, player friendly coach, but they don't have winning success in the first couple of seasons.
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So goes, yeah, he's a great players guy, but he's not winning, so we got to get him to the curb or vice versa.
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Maybe you have some issues with players because you're a hard Exynos guys and you don't get the opportunity to meld those two things together.
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So who schools back to my my long stance of like, I know that you look down.
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It's full showdown in Miami.
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He's one that's up there, but you and I being Nets, Guys, the turnover at the head coaching position, like me.
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I think you and I have been talking about another stream where it's man.
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The next course that you hire needs to be someone that you feel like can be here for 57 10 years, and I just turned over is such a brutal thing from a philosophical standpoint.
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And then when you talk about how you want to coach a team you've always known as players retired for the for the Spurs, Popovich is going to be at the helm.
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And, by the way, he's created adjusting based on the talent he has.
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But you always knew that he's going to be the guy laying out the system for you.
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When you have turned over.
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Like some of the teams in the N B A.
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Do, it means the players you had may not fit the new system that's gonna be coming in.
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Yeah, it's extremely rare for these head coaches in the n b A.
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To be able to do a pop is done, and that's balanced.
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Being a players coach, having a relationship with players and winning so you can stay in that position until they retired.
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You know, Now he got to play Tim Duncan.
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He got the coach, Tony Tony Parker like he got a coach.
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These guys, almost their whole careers, develop relationships with them.
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Um, when we talk about the Nets, right, like the Nets, we're looking at the next like the next guy has to be a winner and also has to have a relationship with Katie Kyrie and the superstars.
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It is really up the balance.
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Okay, this is how I want to play.
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Like, I think any actress and kind of fell into that A system.
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Kenny knew how he wanted to play.
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He knew what he wanted coach guys.
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But I don't know how much he stepped out of that off the court to say I want a relationship with these guys.
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I want to talk to these guys and make sure I'm good because we found out a lot of players we're talking about in his back or saying things about him, and that happens when you don't do that.
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Extra Parton and it's stuff.
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This coaching role in the N.
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B.
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A is 24 hour job, 24 hour a day job where it doesn't stop stopping started practice.
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It goes deeper than that.
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I would love to know what happened.
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That's the interesting one, right? Like that one feels like that was more.
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It seems like it was organizationally.
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They were like, Listen, we're not going to be able to pay this guy long.
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Certainly it's really more to me.
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Felt like I don't know if we're going to pay this guy, and that's like the undercurrent then went quiet, gets injured.
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Then there's little Hey, we need you back and he's saying Yes, but I feel like I haven't been taken care of, and all that stuff kind of flows whenever you're right.
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That's probably one of them, because even though like Tony Parker ended his career, but he moved on and there wasn't any kind of animosity around that at right, it was just heading back into your car.
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You want to keep playing more power to you.
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The Kawai one is probably the one situation where it makes you scratch your head a little bit.
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Because it seemed like he had that same type of Tim Duncan personality that will go so well with the Spurs and with Popovich, right? Yeah.
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I honestly was surprised by all that Seiko while even he had won a championship.
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Um, you know, EVP under him, young.
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And when he came into the league, you can.
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No one has to confirm it.
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I could just tell you that.
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Look, his maturation and his development.
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You contribute. That's a poppet.
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Kawai came out of San Diego State and landed in another situation where the heaven which wasn't as strong as Gregg Popovich.
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We might not have seen that come out of him.
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Look, why do we have today is you know, he has a lot.
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Give toe Popovich for his development and type of style and even the professionalism that I'm sorry.
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Learned in San Antonio.
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Yeah. I would love to know what happened with them.
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Uh, I look a pop onda teams that he's at and the players that you had.
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He's got a great run.
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If he does leave San Antonio, which I don't think he's gonna leaves.
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And San Antonio, I think he's going to stay there.
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Barzeh NBA coaches go He's at the top.
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I know.
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And that's fans air, like even Knicks fans Picture went up of this House is like, Okay, he's coming in New York.
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Is he going to Brooklyn? Is he going the Knicks? I don't think you neither getting a different home.
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And you know he doesn't have a Twitter instagram that he's gonna tell us any of that.
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We're not.
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See, uh, yeah, he's done best.
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Leave everything in all sports, and I'm definitely excited to see his next chapter.
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There's a a lot of competition in the league in the West.
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You know, West is a gauntlet.
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Gonna need to, you know, work with some of the younger players he has.
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They might even bring some guys in.
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They know they have Gregg Popovich running the show.
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So whatever talent they bring in whatever guise they put in front of him, he's gonna work.
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You know what? Men? And before you think about where the spurs would be if quiet stay there, right? How? How competitively they've been able to stay.
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One other pieces would have come in around them.
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Even when you talk about, you know, making the trade that they made with Toronto.
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It's like you never got you never got back pieces that we're gonna replace Kawhi Leonard.
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So that's certainly not what I said before 1996 20 started 23 years of the Spurs When you How long will get out on this? Just that.
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This is a curiosity.
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How long the Steve Kerr have to go.
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Oh, are you already Consider him to be close with Gregg Popovich.
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55 championships, the three only five years so far for Steve Kerr.
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How long does he have to go before Hey arguably could win two more titles within the next decade? Let's set a potentially with Golden State and the equal with him.
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But what does it take us far from the longevity standpoint? Or could he just time up for rings and say, Yeah, he's on the same level.
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Is Gregg Popovich first? I want to say Steve Kerr is great.
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He's got rings as a player.
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He was part of, you know, the Bulls dynasty.
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And then he went on to win Spurs Great e kind of walked into a great situation with the Bulls and Spurs, and then he walked into an amazing situation with the Warriors.
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Mark Jackson gets some of that credit for Steve Curtis accepts he, you know, room that team.
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They drafted that team.
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He helped build that team and after he couldn't get it done, Steve per walk until perfect situation.
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So I do think the Warriors, I've been saying this on Park that some streams.
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I think the Warriors are not done.
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I think the Warriors are gonna be looking for revenge.
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I think Step healthy, play healthy.
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Rested Draymond next year.
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They have draft capital like they're gonna look to compete again.
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And they could potentially be right in the Western Conference finals again with guys that have been there with done Steve Kerr, obviously knowing how to leave them there and lead the way.
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But I just can't put him.
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Maybe he'd have to go in another life, maybe three championships with the Warriors.
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They're gonna need another dynasty run.
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Okay, so the reason that these guys have gotten there partly occurs coaching and not really something that he walked into A He's a good coach, but I just can't give him all the credit for that.
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And I can't put him up next to that somebody's graces.
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Mount Rushmore coaches.
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Yeah, there's been a great obviously, obviously publishes at a great blend of players over the years.
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But you can argue that none of his lineups have ever been as strong as clay Draymond Steph in their primes when he walked into the public, you know, and you can forget E.
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Katie for a couple of years just for fun.
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Just that all you need.
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You know, you put Katie on a team like that, like Mark Jackson didn't have Katie, you could walk into a perfect situation, Teoh be a head coach and add some brings to his mantle from where he had as a player.
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And I think if they do come back and win and they do come back and form another dynasty in this life now you know Fremont and step.
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Those guys on the other side of 30 plays there to like, you know, they probably got another five year window to run, and if he can, if he can get to another three championships, maybe win one or two, then I guess you can start talking about more from the ranks of the top coaches.
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But he walked one of the best teams ever assembled, a 73 and 19 Katie led team like I could have coached them, won a bunch of games, keep McPherson run, rising up the ranks of the N B.
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A coach is actually the last I just thought about if Popovich was gonna leave, allow this talk around around.
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Bradley, Beal, the Wizards.
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That's it.
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Like if you were gonna leave, I would go to the East if I was Popovich.
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Try to find a team that I could try to build up their on.
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But obviously, if you love a cup of Nets more, more power to him. Flight.
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The Wizards would be like that.
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It's like a first popped my head of like, man, that is so interesting.
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You've got talent. Offensively.
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You have zero defensive identities, something I feel like populace could really mould like.
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There's a handful of teams like that in the East that I feel like if you got Popovich, you'd instantly go with a nine seed.
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It's making up.
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You lot have added.
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We just like from a pure as a 1,000,000 point and for millions as a coach that, like he would move the needle like that for one of these franchises, maybe felt a little bit waterless over the last five or six years.
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So that's just rattling around my head, man, and be weird to see it.
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And I wouldn't want to do.
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Ah, you know, have a Phil Jackson moment where it kind of diminishes what accomplished in any way.
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I think, you know, I think he's smart.
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Vicky seen God's kind of diminished their legacy at the end or kind of make a move at the end, thinking they still got in.
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They don't I thought about the Spurs situation and he's been there for a couple decades.
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That's, you know, his friend franchise.
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I was like, Why would you go on? And I wasn't thinking that he was gonna move on because there's another role or another spot in the N B.
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A.
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That's more feeling there can't be anything more feeling than what you built your legacy and be in that God.
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But rose a lot of talk around Becky Hammond, and there's a lot of talk about her being deserving of a head coaching role.
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But like, you know, as far as Britain is concerned, people saying, Oh, she'd be great to be the first woman head coach in the NBA Brooklyn.
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I'm like they were also in New York, Capital One.
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I don't think that, you know, I don't think that a big market team is going to jump out there and be the one to do it now in San Antonio, where she's familiar where she's been, if populace to leave and step aside and she become the heir to the throne, I would see that happening more than anything else but that I don't think Pop is leaving.
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He's just getting a different credit.
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I just think he wants to move in, maybe live somewhere else.
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Is Mansion out there? I'm sure it's nice he's got his own little compound, but I don't think he's looking to go from San Antonio to New York or even see.
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I think he still got a lot of coaching in front of him and he's not ready to just abandon ship on the only place I've ever been and literally the place that he feels Yeah, no 100% and this is where I fall on it to be nothing more Gregg Popovich, Ian than if he did step aside to allow the first female head coach, Andy a right, that I almost feel like it went right along with his track record of being somebody who's connected both on have come in with the hot take.
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Gregg Popovich is one of the greatest coaches in history.
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He deserved it to write his own ticket as far as when he wants to leave San Antonio.
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And hopefully that's still a few years off.
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Because I would love to see even is one more deep playoff push from Gregg Popovich and the Spurs.
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It feels like that's been the theme over the last 20 years.
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And you always you always wanna have those story lines play out once or twice more follow keeping fears and not just on here, but also on social media.
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Doris Burke tells amazing story that captures the essence of Spurs coach Gregg Popovich

San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich can sometimes be a very mysterious man. Aside from his legendary status as one of the greatest coaches in league history, Pop is also known for giving reporters a tough time whenever they get a chance to interview him — something that veteran reporter Doris Burke can relate […]

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I can't.
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So it's hard to determine when you think about a guy like Bella checked, you win championships.
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It makes some of those things easier to digest.
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Likewise for a Gregg Popovich, right when he is a little bit short on the sidelines, it could be a lot easier for them to do sound.
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And you just didn't If you bust pose, losing its not make house Look here.
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Is Keith got me coming in now? Looks like Keith may still be dealing with a couple of technical issues. Unfortunately.
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Well, see, it's could This probably isn't even on keys.
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And if I'm being honest cause he has ah, pretty nice set up over there so we'll see if he can connect in there.
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Um, eso one of the things that we think about what Popovich is Well, though, is the stories beyond that, right? So, you know, for example, when Sager was dealing with his illness around the NBA again, another sideline reporter you saw a pop of this show.
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His human side shows personal side.
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And make sure that that Sigur understood how much he cared about him and what I wanted to know that he was loved around the MBA.
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That's a thing where you see Papa, that's kind of break down that fourth wall, right? Going back to the days when he's winning championships even said at a leader, was, Ah, Tim Duncan's retirement saying, Man, I'm not here if not for 10 Duncan.
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So that's a lot of the value that you additionally get when you talk about a head coach that both understand the value he brings and then also can show humility and also can deflect the accolades to the players, knowing that on the back and by the way season this season and run to run, you're going to be in a position where you are setting expectations.
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The work ethic is another thing that everybody talks about.
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Popovich is 68 years old now and yet still going.
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It looks like he's going to write his own ticket at its families, finally done with the San Antonio Spurs.
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But that again is going to be this way in the city because you've built up that kind of cachet with a franchise with a quick be here just to check again and see.
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Looks like Keith is probably still checking on some audio right now.
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So can you hear me? OK, so I'm just not using my headphones.
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I'm not using my set up.
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I'm just gonna go straight into my Mac book.
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And I think that I don't want to interrupt this dream any longer with you're good, man.
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Listen, even if you were to visual, you could've been a visual component for us and just been, you know, eye candy for the listeners.
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Uh huh.
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But no.
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So I ran through.
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I was using a little bit of, ah, and out of the out of the n b a example of, like, Bella check and how you get one.
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You get to get away with certain things, how you handle on interact with the media.
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But that comes on the track record of winning.
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And then you've also seen a few and far between you get stories about Belichick.
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Where you hear that? Like he's a personable guy.
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He's a funny guy.
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He's a family man, like, away from the game.
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You see that he has a very normal has has all of the attributes of a normal human being in spite of what you see on game day, baby, and that feels a lot like Popovich to write.
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Like he spends those times in between quarters being very short, very dismissive with sideline reporters, and I just highlighted this.
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Won't won't be traded, but the door is birth story around the finals of him going out of his way.
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This is something that he's seen and interacted for his entire probably coaching career and just letting her know high.
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I know who you are, what, you how you're spending your summer.
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What are you gonna be dealing? I want talk to you as an individual.
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And it feeds into this this narrative that we heard about Popovich, that he has this very personal, um, intimate kind of side to him when it comes to not just media beyond the televised element.
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But then the players is to write like it seems like the culture.
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That organization is a top down from Gregg Popovich.
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Yeah, I love Pop.
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I think he's an old school guy, and that's why we see that shine through where he was around and doing this stuff before there was so much social media, you know, it's the end coverage, you know, This guy's is treating people right that he's known, like adores Berg outside of her, having a ESPN microphone in her hand and, um, compare person with Belichick, I think with Pop and Belichick, right? We saw Belichick kind of get into, uh, a little bit of media trouble.
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Or at least they tried to drag him last year on Twitter when the woman reporter, the young lady, asked him about Antonio Brown, I didn't have an answer.
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He kind of just stared down and, you know, wasn't very polite with their when all she was doing is, you know, doing her job.
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All she was doing is asking the question that we all wanted to know.
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You sign Antonio Brown like, Tell us something about it now, Um, I still think Bellatrix a good guy, but he has, ah misstep with that recently in his way that he's handled the media.
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Pop doesn't have too many mistakes, and even in this climate that we see in the last couple months, not even in the last month, the Spurs didn't put out a statement.
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They let pop be the first person speak.
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They let pop be their statement.
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He came out and spoke and I saw people saying all the n b A.
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Teams put out statements except for the Spurs and the Knicks.
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I said, Yeah, well, with Spurs like right, Popovich lead them.
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The Knicks let teams Dolan lead them.
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There's a big difference.
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Yes, it's known school guy that really gets it as far as the Mount Rushmore of coaches.
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I was thinking about it quickly.
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It's him in Phil Jackson, and then, if you want to give him the nod because of this is social awareness speaking out.
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He's great, you know.
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But those one liners and his demeanor with the media, but he's always locked in as a coach.
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First media stuff.
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Second, I think that might put him on a feel a little bit.
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Bill also kind of tarnish his legacy by going to the Knicks and being in the front office and not being able to help them at all and having kind of a cop out.
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What is interesting, too, because, like I pulled up, you know, Ah, the list of championships for head coaches, obviously, Phil Jackson with 11 and then you get into that weird one.
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Ah, with red, our back, Just because of the air of N B A that he was coaching in.
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What was the level of competition that they were sometimes working against what he has.
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Nine? Um, you know, Pat Riley has five Yes, 55 for Popovich and then Steve Kerr with three.
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What I will say is because, ah, I would think that Phil Jackson would've been part of the Steve.
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Kerr and Popovich were immediately a part of the coalition of head coaches in the MBA to try to figure out how do we help continue to move this move, move this social awareness forward? And how do we continue to let the players be heard and support them in what they want to dio? Um, they were very active and also calling out other coaches, whether in the n b a r owners in the NFL, Popovich called out Jerry Jones very, very directly, as far is not coming out and making a direct statement or showing some level of support around these things.
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The the interesting to me is like Steve Kerr.
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I include him in this group.
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Phil Jackson, Popovich.
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The occurred different versions like they approach it differently, but all have very hold intimate connections with their players, right, whether it's Phil Jackson with the yoga and this getting into the mindset that you to approach games with.
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Of course, the last dance do***entaries like to Phil Jackson being around, and I don't know if that paid away at all, but it certainly seems to be.
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I know they say, if you win, win and that's it.
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But even Pat Riley noted, players or players kind of I as well.
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He's in the front office now, but you can without having this element.
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But it seems like it does you leaps and bounds to be someone that is connected to the players as people and then connected to them as n B A players because you know what the town left, you're going to accomplish a lot.
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But if you can get a little bit of actual out of somebody because they feel like you're in their corner, both on and off the court, I have to believe that that moves the needles for these franchises.
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And for some of these bigger name players, I need to buy into a system as opposed to being their own unique talent.
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Yeah, that's That's the biggest thing I think with these coaches.
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All of these coaches are exes and all those guys, they know the game.
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They know where to plug and play players.
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But if you can break through that surface level of OK, this is my point guard.
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This is my center and like who these guys are as people who they are off the court, what they need when you watch the last dance, we saw Phil Jackson, just be honest, said that Dennis Rodman to get the most out of him, he needed a break.
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Need to let Dennis, Gobi, Dennis and he was okay with that.
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He knew that the team could survive without him, and he knew that dentist would be better for it with them letting him go live his life to come back.
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I think Pop is someone that God speaks so highly of, not just on the Spurs Team USA and this is built relationships with some of the greats.
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Coby LeBron and these guys will always be highly apart because he transcends just being the leader on the court.
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He's an overall leader.
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He cares about you.
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He cares about your family, cares about where you're from, what issues you're concerned with more so than he cares about his public image, more so than he cares about Social media more so than he cares about the online interviews or halftime interviews.
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So when you look at a guy like Pop and you look at Phil Jackson, even Pat Riley, right, like adjusting to see what Pop, I would love to see where Pop goes next.
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There's a lot of talk about him putting his house up for sale, and I would also like to see if he does take a front office role because we've seen at Riley do it.
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We've seen Phil Jackson do it Now.
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Pat Riley has some rings in the front office.
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Phil Jackson does not.
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But, you know, we heard Dwayne Wade speak about his relationship with Pat Riley and how it was kind of tarnished when you know he ended up leaving and going to the polls.
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Cavaliers.
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He felt like he deserved mawr.
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Now I feel like Pat Riley had a better relationship with the Wayne.
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Wait or do some, you know, they might have been able to come to a better agreement.
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We might have with that.
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I think Hamas shot to go from coach.
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He's not done as a coach, but he could go from coach to GM and have a better resume as a GM potentially than on Phil Jackson.
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Maybe might not get any rings like like Riley.
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Pop is up there in the basketball world.
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Overall, pop is Yeah, that's, um, you look over.
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There was no special adviser role that a lot of organizations have, like that's what I feel like, i e.
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I wouldn't think that he would deal with the Spurs almost in some ways just because there's such a well build or his haste and that they'd have people that would be coming up the pipeline.
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They're gonna get those opportunities.
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We know he's seen Tim Duncan on the sidelines there, so it feels like there, the other a little more disastrous if it because I think everything that sucks on 100% a part of what makes popular so great, but you go inside winning percentages to any listen.
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Steve Kerr is currently nurses just behind him right now, So they're heard Connect is gonna be interesting to see Onley 2014 for occur 2018 for Nick Nurse, so very relatively small sample size, but Gregg Popovich has done it since not 99.
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It looks like here, with a 6 64 win percentage fit like fifth overall in N BA history for winning percentage.
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And that's one of the things to that, even though some of the other names on the Pat Riley is pretty high up there.
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Remember, like Don Nelson spent a long time as an MBA.
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Head coaches well, on this goes into that other element.
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I'll be curious to see how Nick Nurse does their house.
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People take the courage in line for this being able to hold your position for an extended amount of time, where then you get to develop your style.
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Have you want to be with your players, right? Cause how many times you have a ah, player friendly coach, but they don't have winning success in the first couple of seasons.
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So goes, yeah, he's a great players guy, but he's not winning, so we got to get him to the curb or vice versa.
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Maybe you have some issues with players because you're a hard Exynos guys and you don't get the opportunity to meld those two things together.
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So who schools back to my my long stance of like, I know that you look down.
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It's full showdown in Miami.
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He's one that's up there, but you and I being Nets, Guys, the turnover at the head coaching position, like me.
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I think you and I have been talking about another stream where it's man.
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The next course that you hire needs to be someone that you feel like can be here for 57 10 years, and I just turned over is such a brutal thing from a philosophical standpoint.
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And then when you talk about how you want to coach a team you've always known as players retired for the for the Spurs, Popovich is going to be at the helm.
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And, by the way, he's created adjusting based on the talent he has.
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But you always knew that he's going to be the guy laying out the system for you.
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When you have turned over.
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Like some of the teams in the N B A.
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Do, it means the players you had may not fit the new system that's gonna be coming in.
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Yeah, it's extremely rare for these head coaches in the n b A.
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To be able to do a pop is done, and that's balanced.
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Being a players coach, having a relationship with players and winning so you can stay in that position until they retired.
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You know, Now he got to play Tim Duncan.
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He got the coach, Tony Tony Parker like he got a coach.
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These guys, almost their whole careers, develop relationships with them.
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Um, when we talk about the Nets, right, like the Nets, we're looking at the next like the next guy has to be a winner and also has to have a relationship with Katie Kyrie and the superstars.
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It is really up the balance.
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Okay, this is how I want to play.
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Like, I think any actress and kind of fell into that A system.
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Kenny knew how he wanted to play.
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He knew what he wanted coach guys.
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But I don't know how much he stepped out of that off the court to say I want a relationship with these guys.
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I want to talk to these guys and make sure I'm good because we found out a lot of players we're talking about in his back or saying things about him, and that happens when you don't do that.
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Extra Parton and it's stuff.
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This coaching role in the N.
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B.
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A is 24 hour job, 24 hour a day job where it doesn't stop stopping started practice.
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It goes deeper than that.
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I would love to know what happened.
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That's the interesting one, right? Like that one feels like that was more.
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It seems like it was organizationally.
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They were like, Listen, we're not going to be able to pay this guy long.
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Certainly it's really more to me.
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Felt like I don't know if we're going to pay this guy, and that's like the undercurrent then went quiet, gets injured.
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Then there's little Hey, we need you back and he's saying Yes, but I feel like I haven't been taken care of, and all that stuff kind of flows whenever you're right.
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That's probably one of them, because even though like Tony Parker ended his career, but he moved on and there wasn't any kind of animosity around that at right, it was just heading back into your car.
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You want to keep playing more power to you.
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The Kawai one is probably the one situation where it makes you scratch your head a little bit.
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Because it seemed like he had that same type of Tim Duncan personality that will go so well with the Spurs and with Popovich, right? Yeah.
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I honestly was surprised by all that Seiko while even he had won a championship.
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Um, you know, EVP under him, young.
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And when he came into the league, you can.
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No one has to confirm it.
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I could just tell you that.
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Look, his maturation and his development.
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You contribute. That's a poppet.
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Kawai came out of San Diego State and landed in another situation where the heaven which wasn't as strong as Gregg Popovich.
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We might not have seen that come out of him.
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Look, why do we have today is you know, he has a lot.
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Give toe Popovich for his development and type of style and even the professionalism that I'm sorry.
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Learned in San Antonio.
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Yeah. I would love to know what happened with them.
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Uh, I look a pop onda teams that he's at and the players that you had.
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He's got a great run.
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If he does leave San Antonio, which I don't think he's gonna leaves.
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And San Antonio, I think he's going to stay there.
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Barzeh NBA coaches go He's at the top.
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I know.
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And that's fans air, like even Knicks fans Picture went up of this House is like, Okay, he's coming in New York.
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Is he going to Brooklyn? Is he going the Knicks? I don't think you neither getting a different home.
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And you know he doesn't have a Twitter instagram that he's gonna tell us any of that.
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We're not.
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See, uh, yeah, he's done best.
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Leave everything in all sports, and I'm definitely excited to see his next chapter.
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There's a a lot of competition in the league in the West.
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You know, West is a gauntlet.
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Gonna need to, you know, work with some of the younger players he has.
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They might even bring some guys in.
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They know they have Gregg Popovich running the show.
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So whatever talent they bring in whatever guise they put in front of him, he's gonna work.
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You know what? Men? And before you think about where the spurs would be if quiet stay there, right? How? How competitively they've been able to stay.
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One other pieces would have come in around them.
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Even when you talk about, you know, making the trade that they made with Toronto.
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It's like you never got you never got back pieces that we're gonna replace Kawhi Leonard.
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So that's certainly not what I said before 1996 20 started 23 years of the Spurs When you How long will get out on this? Just that.
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This is a curiosity.
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How long the Steve Kerr have to go.
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Oh, are you already Consider him to be close with Gregg Popovich.
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55 championships, the three only five years so far for Steve Kerr.
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How long does he have to go before Hey arguably could win two more titles within the next decade? Let's set a potentially with Golden State and the equal with him.
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But what does it take us far from the longevity standpoint? Or could he just time up for rings and say, Yeah, he's on the same level.
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Is Gregg Popovich first? I want to say Steve Kerr is great.
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He's got rings as a player.
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He was part of, you know, the Bulls dynasty.
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And then he went on to win Spurs Great e kind of walked into a great situation with the Bulls and Spurs, and then he walked into an amazing situation with the Warriors.
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Mark Jackson gets some of that credit for Steve Curtis accepts he, you know, room that team.
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They drafted that team.
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He helped build that team and after he couldn't get it done, Steve per walk until perfect situation.
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So I do think the Warriors, I've been saying this on Park that some streams.
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I think the Warriors are not done.
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I think the Warriors are gonna be looking for revenge.
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I think Step healthy, play healthy.
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Rested Draymond next year.
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They have draft capital like they're gonna look to compete again.
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And they could potentially be right in the Western Conference finals again with guys that have been there with done Steve Kerr, obviously knowing how to leave them there and lead the way.
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But I just can't put him.
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Maybe he'd have to go in another life, maybe three championships with the Warriors.
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They're gonna need another dynasty run.
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Okay, so the reason that these guys have gotten there partly occurs coaching and not really something that he walked into A He's a good coach, but I just can't give him all the credit for that.
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And I can't put him up next to that somebody's graces.
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Mount Rushmore coaches.
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Yeah, there's been a great obviously, obviously publishes at a great blend of players over the years.
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But you can argue that none of his lineups have ever been as strong as clay Draymond Steph in their primes when he walked into the public, you know, and you can forget E.
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Katie for a couple of years just for fun.
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Just that all you need.
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You know, you put Katie on a team like that, like Mark Jackson didn't have Katie, you could walk into a perfect situation, Teoh be a head coach and add some brings to his mantle from where he had as a player.
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And I think if they do come back and win and they do come back and form another dynasty in this life now you know Fremont and step.
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Those guys on the other side of 30 plays there to like, you know, they probably got another five year window to run, and if he can, if he can get to another three championships, maybe win one or two, then I guess you can start talking about more from the ranks of the top coaches.
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But he walked one of the best teams ever assembled, a 73 and 19 Katie led team like I could have coached them, won a bunch of games, keep McPherson run, rising up the ranks of the N B.
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A coach is actually the last I just thought about if Popovich was gonna leave, allow this talk around around.
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Bradley, Beal, the Wizards.
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That's it.
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Like if you were gonna leave, I would go to the East if I was Popovich.
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Try to find a team that I could try to build up their on.
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But obviously, if you love a cup of Nets more, more power to him. Flight.
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The Wizards would be like that.
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It's like a first popped my head of like, man, that is so interesting.
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You've got talent. Offensively.
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You have zero defensive identities, something I feel like populace could really mould like.
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There's a handful of teams like that in the East that I feel like if you got Popovich, you'd instantly go with a nine seed.
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It's making up.
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You lot have added.
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We just like from a pure as a 1,000,000 point and for millions as a coach that, like he would move the needle like that for one of these franchises, maybe felt a little bit waterless over the last five or six years.
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So that's just rattling around my head, man, and be weird to see it.
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And I wouldn't want to do.
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Ah, you know, have a Phil Jackson moment where it kind of diminishes what accomplished in any way.
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I think, you know, I think he's smart.
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Vicky seen God's kind of diminished their legacy at the end or kind of make a move at the end, thinking they still got in.
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They don't I thought about the Spurs situation and he's been there for a couple decades.
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That's, you know, his friend franchise.
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I was like, Why would you go on? And I wasn't thinking that he was gonna move on because there's another role or another spot in the N B.
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A.
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That's more feeling there can't be anything more feeling than what you built your legacy and be in that God.
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But rose a lot of talk around Becky Hammond, and there's a lot of talk about her being deserving of a head coaching role.
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But like, you know, as far as Britain is concerned, people saying, Oh, she'd be great to be the first woman head coach in the NBA Brooklyn.
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I'm like they were also in New York, Capital One.
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I don't think that, you know, I don't think that a big market team is going to jump out there and be the one to do it now in San Antonio, where she's familiar where she's been, if populace to leave and step aside and she become the heir to the throne, I would see that happening more than anything else but that I don't think Pop is leaving.
00:21:44
He's just getting a different credit.
00:21:45
I just think he wants to move in, maybe live somewhere else.
00:21:50
Is Mansion out there? I'm sure it's nice he's got his own little compound, but I don't think he's looking to go from San Antonio to New York or even see.
00:21:57
I think he still got a lot of coaching in front of him and he's not ready to just abandon ship on the only place I've ever been and literally the place that he feels Yeah, no 100% and this is where I fall on it to be nothing more Gregg Popovich, Ian than if he did step aside to allow the first female head coach, Andy a right, that I almost feel like it went right along with his track record of being somebody who's connected both on have come in with the hot take.
00:22:31
Gregg Popovich is one of the greatest coaches in history.
00:22:33
He deserved it to write his own ticket as far as when he wants to leave San Antonio.
00:22:37
And hopefully that's still a few years off.
00:22:39
Because I would love to see even is one more deep playoff push from Gregg Popovich and the Spurs.
00:22:44
It feels like that's been the theme over the last 20 years.
00:22:47
And you always you always wanna have those story lines play out once or twice more follow keeping fears and not just on here, but also on social media.
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