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00:00:00
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What's up, Phil? Man, welcome back is a show.
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Thank you.
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I'm good, man.
00:00:35
Um, a lot of late breaking news last night, right? Internet was going wild.
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I guess when that anything happens.
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Lakers related.
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So we got the word.
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Avery Bradley is not going to join the Lakers when they go down to Orlando.
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Uh, Bradley was one of the players that was out.
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Spoken about a number of reasons why he might not want to return.
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Um, And then we heard that he's decided, not return.
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His his son of has struggles a bit recovering from respiratory illnesses.
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And if you've been under a rock the last three months.
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That's exactly what Cove it does that attacks respiratory system, among other things, but certainly puts strain on that.
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And so there was some fear that maybe a sudden wouldn't even be approved to come into the bubble at Disney World.
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So, Phil, what what are your immediate or now that you've had some time to digest it? What are your thoughts on Avery Bradley? Not for joining with team.
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My first thought was that it's really understandable.
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Uh, things are getting kind of wild down in Florida.
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Uh, when it comes to Kobe did.
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You don't know how bad it's gonna be in three months, which is how long that you would have to be in the bubble, basically, especially if you're playing with the Lakers, were likely to make a deep playoff run.
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Um, so, yeah, if his son couldn't go there, it makes perfect sense to me that he would decide to sit out, especially because, as you were saying, he was one of the players, uh, along with that group that was on a call with Kyrie, who was really choosing to make social justice there primary their primary priority right now as opposed to basketball, so it's not too surprising from a basketball standpoint.
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It's kind of a bummer, but you can't really blame them for the decision.
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No, you can't and he's a He's a major cog and what we do.
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I mean, before we started recording right now, I tweeted out that a lot of people laughed at us for signing Bradley in the off season, and now those same folks are saying would be going to without him, right? And the truth is, he very much is an important piece of the team.
00:02:38
He's going to starting guards.
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The Lakers already have a small rotation in terms of body size, but then it's not like they have a deep roster of all these guards.
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They can just throw in there anyway.
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Which is one of the reasons they signed Dion waiters and at one point were even talking to Darren Collison.
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But Bradley started in 44 of the Lakers 49 games.
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So if you look at the roster just how it stands it we'll get the J.
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R.
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Smith in a minute.
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But just the roster, Who would you plug in to replace him? Uh, I think of the starting spot.
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You're probably going to see KCP in there.
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Um, because what Bradley really brings to the starting unit that is replaceable or most important, is pointed.
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Detect.
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Defense is the guy who you really want guarding the ball.
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Danny Green is a great team defender, but he gets blown by sometimes when he's guarding the ball handler.
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So you really want someone who can, again, to whoever's got the ball in KCP can do that.
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He's got the lateral quickness and the sort of sneaky length toe frustrate ball handlers at that size.
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Eso I think he is the one who's gonna jump into that role, and on the bench, it's It's kind of a free for all.
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There's a chance for both waiters and Caruso to make really, really big minutes claims it will be interesting to see who ends up getting those.
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Yeah, I mean and shot out the events who just posted this, he said.
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Crisp assaulters is picking the Clippers now that the Lakers don't have Avery Bradley.
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I don't listen very much of what Chris Broussard says thes days.
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Whatever it is that we're gonna be in the middle of hot.
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Take Twitter and Hot.
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Take TV while anything that happens with Lakers.
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But, no, I'm just looking at the roster. You're right.
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My first thought is KCP.
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I know that there are Laker fans that are saying Give Crusoe his shot there.
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Laker fans saying Give tht iss is shot.
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You know Taylor.
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Horton Tucker is not ready. I'm sorry.
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Folks like there is a reason why he has not been in the Lakers.
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Ah, with basically the varsity squad.
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There's a reason for that, and there's no reason to rush him.
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There's time.
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So it's a tailing to us to the side for a moment.
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But KCP that's what I would plug in if you're just looking at who is on the roster as it stands, Um, this is Casey peace third season with the Lakers, and for two years fans were like Get rid of we hate him.
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He's overpaid, right? Um, and this third season he has found his groove with this Lakers team.
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I was looking at his numbers last night.
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He's shooting a career best 47% from the field and a career best 39% from three now.
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His attempt from three are down a little bit.
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Last season, he was shooting around five a game.
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This season, it's around three, but he probably needs to be around three.
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I don't think he needs to be a five or 63 point guy.
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You attempt guy in a game, but if you're just looking at who is on the roster, it's absolutely KCP.
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Um, the Lakers have some decisions to make.
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We're already hearing J. R.
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Smith, um, might be their preferred candidate.
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He was someone that they talked to.
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I'm worked out for them when they were trying to decide who they were going to bring in, whether it be him.
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Dion waiters, um, they chose Dion, who were all still waiting to see what he looks like.
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But Smith impressed them at the workout.
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He's got familiarity with LeBron.
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He played with him in Cleveland, despite all the means and stuff going around about some of the issues that Jr had in the finals.
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Um, he's 66 He would be the biggest guard on our team outside of Danny Green was 67 Um, what do your thoughts on on Jr coming to L. A.
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My biggest question about J.
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R. Smith is easy and cheap.
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He hasn't played really in two years.
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He played 11 games, I think, with Cleveland last year.
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But he's getting older for an N b A guard, Uh, and he hasn't played in a couple of years.
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So seeing if he is sort of game ready, I think would be a very interesting thing.
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If he is, he's got, uh, some of the things that I think we need.
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I would sort of prepare to have someone who I trusted a little bit more is a ball handler than J.
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R.
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Smith, which is one of the ways that KCP is improving this year.
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He has not been a reliable ball handler, but now they've actually had him running, Uh, those horn sets that they run for.
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Avery Bradley had been running them with KCP, and he's been, you know, give him two or three simple reads to making.
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He's been much better than he wasn't passed.
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Um, but I would I would rather have someone who can both space and distribute.
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But the options are kind of limited.
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At this point.
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You have to take what you can get.
00:07:15
Yeah, I mean last night, I jokingly said, Wouldn't it be crazy if the Lakers signed Darren Collison? And you know, when people were saying where he's not in shape, he's not gonna play? It was a joke, folks, but, um, look, beggars can't be choosers, man.
00:07:29
And we have suffered from lack of ball handling all season long.
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Despite the fact the Lakers have the second best record in NBA, LeBron has been amazing, but we expect LeBron to be LeBron.
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But in order to take some of the pressure off for him always having to initiate the offense, you know they have Rondo, who is obviously a capable handler.
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But he falls short and so many other ways at this stage of his career that if you're gonna plug him in that starting line up, you're just This is all Contra spacing issues.
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Defensive Asian issue is not that Bradley was a spacer, But I would say that one is a much better defender than Rondo and I think Bradley, which a lot of the ****ytic guys don't like.
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But he stayed in his lane.
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He was a jump shooter, mid range guy.
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He didn't force the three, um, but Rondo Another hand.
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I have nothing against them.
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I just to me he wouldn't be the answer.
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Caruso.
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He's somewhat of, ah capable ball handler, but he's susceptible to pressure and certainly going up against some, like the Clippers, who we may end up meeting in the playoffs.
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Pat Bev loves to talk, but also loves the ball pressure.
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And I don't know Crusoe's ready for that.
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Um, you know, there folks saying that let's just go big and insert Koosman the starting lineup.
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I wouldn't do that, either.
00:08:48
Um, the Lakers need to go another guard.
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They really dio, um, And when you look at Smith, man, it's been, what, a year and 1/2 2 years? I think I think you only play 11 games last year in Cleveland.
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Um, and then he was kind of banished, if you will.
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And so I like J R Man.
00:09:07
The Lakers have this running theme this year of taking guys that the rest of the league laughs at.
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Right. So I mentioned Avery Bradley.
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People said that he was finished, he wasn't good.
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And when he was with the Clippers, you know, they said when he had better numbers in Memphis.
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It was kind of a flash in the pain, but he has never been the same since Boston.
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He comes to L.
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A proves that he's capable, right? Dwight Howard? Everybody laughed at right.
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No one thought Lakers fans didn't think they would bring him back to L.
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A after what happened when he was here.
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And he's been a capable big on the rotation that someone that also might sit out and we'll get to him in a moment.
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But DaMarcus cousins, even though he didn't play this year.
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But you know, there are a lot of reports that he had had a great relationship with the folks on the Lakers front office.
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Some of the players he obviously, I believe, is still rehabbing with the Lakers, even though he's not officially signed by them.
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He's rehabbing on their time.
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Javale.
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I mean, the Lakers have this theme this year.
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Just come here and do your job and and LeBron and a D will do the heavy lifting, and I feel like that's that's been good for them.
00:10:09
I would imagine Jr's tired or saying the Hennessy Mihm's tired, tired of seeing the name of him.
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I think was shooting the ball in the wrong way or it like come if you come to L a man.
00:10:21
I mean, it's an opportunity for him.
00:10:22
Toe figure out, you know? Can he can he right? The wrongs, I guess of the past, right? Yeah, I remember you're talking about Avery Bradley and White when they were signed.
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I remember in training camp when guys were coming out like LeBron and caused by an April was saying, You know, Avery Bradley's, the NDP and training camp like I love the energy of the Dwight Howard springing and everyone was like laughing it off like, yeah, right.
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You know, they're pumping these guys up, and then the season started and everyone was like, Oh, crap, they were serious, like these guys came to play and, ah, there's a chance that something similar could happen with J.
00:10:56
R.
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That's the reason that I have been so excited to see Dion waiters on the court because he's we know that he likes to have a ball handling role.
00:11:05
But the thing that he's proven while he's in Miami is that he can also play off ball, which means you can play him with LeBron right as well as use him as a secondary ball handler with the second unit.
00:11:15
And I think that gives him a potential to be a really key piece in the rotation at the sort of guard small wings Flood.
00:11:23
Yeah, I agree.
00:11:24
I mean, Dion, bring something to the Lakers that they really didn't have, and that's just a ball handler in the guard position that could just score.
00:11:30
I mean, Dion, he's one of those microwave guys.
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Once he gets going, he gets going and he does not lack confidence.
00:11:36
How do you feel about the Lakers potentially having Dion and J.
00:11:40
R.
00:11:41
Two guys that forget the personality stuff? I think that they're fine players.
00:11:44
Everyone has their personal issues, but just on the court, you're bringing on two guys that haven't played very much in the last year.
00:11:50
I mean, how do you integrate them into a team that is very much in the thick of a playoff race in the midst of a pandemic? And ah, this whole bubble thing in in Orlando? The pre existing relationship with LeBron helps, and I think that the guys in the N B A probably know each other enough.
00:12:09
It's such a close knit fraternity that I I don't think personalities will be too much of an issue, especially because the authority structure in that locker room is so set.
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Everyone knows who is in charge, and that really, really helps in terms of people being comfortable in their roles.
00:12:25
Um, I think Dion and Jr complete together quite well, actually.
00:12:28
That's a good thing about J. R.
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Smith is that guys whose offensive skill sets are mostly off all are pretty easy to plug it because you don't need to create possessions for them.
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You can just run them off a screen and let him do its thing.
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And that's where he threats.
00:12:42
What are your thoughts If if Dwight decides to sit out what we where we go at that point, my personal preference for that would be to actually use Markieff Morris as a backup, uh, five at a lot of those minutes because he's strong enough to guard those guys, respectively, and he can based the floor.
00:13:05
He doesn't clog the lane at all.
00:13:07
Um, and I really like lineups where they have had, um, LeBron Morris Davis and then a couple of shooting wings like Green or KCP.
00:13:20
Those lineups are incredibly versatile in both ends, and they've been really, really successful.
00:13:26
Yeah, I like what Marky brings.
00:13:28
I like him a lot.
00:13:29
Um, I know a lot of Lakers fans, one of his brother, Marcus, but I think Mark IV has done just finding limited amount of time that we've got to see him as a Laker.
00:13:37
Anthony Davis would undoubtedly have to play more center if Dwight sits out.
00:13:41
I know 80 doesn't like doing that, but I always figured in the playoff the Lakers might go small a little more often, anyway.
00:13:48
And 80 maybe more so at the five.
00:13:50
So that's something, Um, something.
00:13:53
I've been thinking about it.
00:13:54
I want to get your opinion on this.
00:13:56
So we first we heard, like a few days ago that DeMarcus Cousins was gonna be done for the season and just rehab.
00:14:02
Then we heard Hold on.
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His agent said he has not made a decision.
00:14:06
Do you think that that's in any relation to? If the White sits out, the markets could potentially come back for the Lakers.
00:14:14
I think he's keeping his options open.
00:14:17
I still went out even if that spot becomes available that you would take it as opposed to continuing his rehab.
00:14:25
But I still I think that his agent and probably him got together.
00:14:29
And but, well, it's a little too early to rule it out just yet, especially with Dwight still in limbo.
00:14:35
And as far as the public is concerned, so it just seems like a smart wait and see kind of move.
00:14:42
Yeah, I think with this team.
00:14:44
And, um, I've said this on a number of other episodes, but this team is built for adversity.
00:14:50
You've got LeBron James and Anti Davis, two of the top five players in the NBA.
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LeBron has seen everything right, and then you've got a team of all veterans.
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So even if they have to add some veterans that, you know, maybe they make some mistakes every here, every now and again.
00:15:03
Or maybe they have a couple off games.
00:15:05
This team has got, you know, such good camaraderie.
00:15:08
The front office is as stable front offices we've seen since Jerry West was probably in town, and that's not the discredit Mitch Cup Jack, who I think was actually a great GM, that probably didn't get the credit he deserved.
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Um, and he became a bit of a laughing stock with this stuff was going on with Jim Buss and all that stuff.
00:15:24
But Mitch was a fabulous GM who learned on their under Jerry.
00:15:27
But the Lakers air stable right now, and what's really funny about that stability is what's happening with Jason Kidd.
00:15:36
So in the off season, right either.
00:15:39
I know you remember Phil.
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It was we were gonna talkto Amani Williams tie Lulu.
00:15:44
There were rumors that Tyler was basically and it was in the bag.
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He was a LeBron guy.
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He's an ex Laker, blah, blah, blah.
00:15:51
That doesn't happen, right? The Lakers.
00:15:53
They wanted to give him a shorter contract.
00:15:55
From what I understand, whatever, he doesn't become the head coach, right? And then you start hearing Jason Kidd rumors and Stephen A.
00:16:03
Smith goes on TV and says the Lakers actually wanted to hire Jason Kidd, but they didn't want to deal with the public backlash because of some things in his background.
00:16:12
So they hire Frank Vogel that people laugh at and they say, Well, OK, Vogue was gonna come in town.
00:16:17
Sure, he was great in Indiana.
00:16:19
But that was years ago.
00:16:20
The game has evolved and, oh, my God, he's got a higher Jason Kidd kids going to stab him in the back.
00:16:25
Well, fast forward, what, six months or so and Jason Kidd has been integral. The Lakers success.
00:16:32
I believe he's had a lot to do with LeBron moving more to point guard, and now the Knicks are looking at Jason Kidd.
00:16:39
I mean, it's funny how this works when no one wanted to touch him just last summer, and now all of a sudden he's up for one of the most popular franchises in the world.
00:16:50
I mean, how does that happen? Well, in his his head, coaching stints have also not ended harmoniously in Brooklyn.
00:16:57
He that whole situation up, he basically got run out of town in the walkie in spite of the honest, this attempt to lobby for him.
00:17:06
Um, so it's He seems to be a coach that's very popular with players and not really anyone else.
00:17:13
Um, so it it might be an interesting fit in New York, actually, because there is.
00:17:22
I don't think that anyone who is playing for the next has a very high opinion of Mr Dolan or the way that the team has been run.
00:17:30
So maybe having players coaches, a buffer would be beneficial for them.
00:17:35
Either way, I do think it's It's very funny that Jason Kidd's next head coaching job probably will not be for the Lakers, and I'm very pleased for him.
00:17:43
I'll put it that way.
00:17:46
You know Leon Rose.
00:17:47
He's now running the Knicks, and just today they brought in, um, World wide West, another super agent to be a part of that front office.
00:17:54
And so the Knicks, they're going in a different direction.
00:17:57
I have no idea how and how hands on Dolan is right now as opposed to how he used to be.
00:18:03
Um, But I always tell people this man, if you're a player and you're kind of on the fringes and you come to L.
00:18:10
A and you do well, you'll stick around in the NBA.
00:18:12
If you're a coach and you're on the fringes, you come in L.
00:18:14
A and the Lakers do well, you'll get another job.
00:18:17
I mean, that's just what happens when you coach or you played for the Lakers.
00:18:20
And so I do think you're right.
00:18:22
I think, Ah, lot of players respect Kiev.
00:18:24
Think 99% of all the NBA players respect Jason Kidd.
00:18:27
He's absolutely one of the best point guards of all time.
00:18:30
He's second all time and assist with over 12,000 assist.
00:18:33
I mean, the man, he was amazing when he was in his prime and one a champion.
00:18:45
You're going to see this thing? Um, if Kid ends up in New York, God bless him if that's what he wants to do.
00:18:52
Um, but he is the highest paid assistant coach in the NBA.
00:18:56
And there are some rumors that the Knicks might think that he could.
00:19:00
Somehow Laurie honest to New York because of their relationship.
00:19:04
And maybe the Lakers think the same.
00:19:07
I don't know, um, but one thing I do know, I don't think any of any player, particularly a superstar, is choosing a team because of the coach.
00:19:15
Now that certainly plays a role and who you play for plays a role.
00:19:20
But there are other things that we know.
00:19:22
Players now find more important.
00:19:24
Max contracts, um, the city that the team plays in other business ventures that they can enter and based on playing for that team. Snow.
00:19:32
I think Kid would have to have a seriously strong relationship with the honest Teoh go there.
00:19:38
I mean, and no matter what I mean, I think kids record, I just headed up kids coaching record is 183 and 1 90 So, to your point, he hasn't had a great coaching stint at all.
00:19:48
All eyes will be on him in New York if he does go there, and if they bring you honest, they're all eyes will certainly be on your honest and four franchise that has not been good for basically 30 years.
00:19:57
I mean, I know they went to the finals and 99 the lockout season, but they haven't been good for the better part of 30 years.
00:20:04
That's a lot of pressure to bring in kid, then bring try to get him to bring in Yana.
00:20:08
So I just find it funny that the narrative on kid is completely flipped, it seems, Yeah, um, and it's It does seem like a characteristically next move to try to put a lot of eggs in the kiddie honest basket just because they very recently I know it was a different uh, general management team.
00:20:26
But they also recently put all of their eggs in the KD Kyrie basket way.
00:20:31
All saw how that went when they basically traded Kristaps Portion goes for Dennis Smith and a bag of potato chips.
00:20:39
Um, so it it ah, high risk, high reward move.
00:20:43
You think if they make enough of them eventually one of them will pay off, but it is the next.
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So you never know.
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I say the Knicks like the Nick.
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I mean, they just can't get it right, man.
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And it's a There's an old Jay Z line.
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I think that even a garbage can gets a stake and next, they have not gotten a stake in a really long time.
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I mean, they didn't have Carmelo Ana Mari there in their primes, but I think that was the last time they won 50 games.
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But that didn't really work out successfully, even after they gave up basically everything to get mellow.
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But I don't know if kid goes there more power to him.
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If he staged the Lakers, um, the way he's been right now, he's behind the scenes.
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You don't hear a lot from him the players clearly like him if he decides to stay in that capacity, and the Lakers won him great.
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But Frank Vogel has done such a great job this year.
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Um, not just on the corporate.
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Off the court, he has handled the L A media.
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I mean, I don't Maybe Phil Jackson's the last guy and fills a different breed away.
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He jabs the media and way he deals with things.
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But, you know, Frank Vogel has handled the media wonderfully, and he's handled having two superstars, you know, just in a way that I don't know if he could have asked for better start for Vogel.
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You mean, what do you think? Uh, no, we couldn't have and shameless plug time.
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Uh, this morning I had a piece go up the Lakers UK outlining his coach of the year case, so be sure to check that up.
00:22:08
Um, he got my vote, but the he really seems like he's approaching this from a sort of eagle s perspective, which I think is how he has to do it when he's got two superstars and just the bears of the Los Angeles media.
00:22:22
On top of him, all the time.
00:22:24
The very direct, simple, honest, collaborative approach that he's put together has not just earned him the respective of the players and buy in from the players.
00:22:32
But it really has shielded him from a lot of the bad press that we thought was going to come his way.
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I mean, remember over the summertime we heard that curtain in the Rambis were running the team.
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We heard Jason Kidd was gonna backstab Vogel.
00:22:46
We heard Rob didn't know anything about the salary cap.
00:22:49
And now long sandal Wendell Hollins into an assassin in the media Man.
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Vogel is now a coach of the year candidate.
00:22:56
I think Rob Pelinka is absolutely a executive of the year candidate as well.
00:23:01
And you don't hear a peep the way the Lakers run things now, as opposed to how magic ran things.
00:23:07
And this isn't this isn't meteo, you know, make fun of magic.
00:23:10
And he's one of the greatest players of all time. A legend.
00:23:12
I've got a Lakers magic jersey in my closet right next to me, but obviously he wasn't great as the Lakers president of basketball operations and everything leaked all the time and you hear nothing from Rob Pelinka.
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I mean, he goes to games, he says kind of that little tunnel area.
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He walks away.
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He's not.
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It's not about him, and he could very well make it about him.
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But he doesn't.
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And so the Lakers have cleaned up this franchise, and I'm I'm excited to see what they do in Orlando.
00:23:39
You mentioned earlier the cases in Orlando going up on a number of other places as well.
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I think it was just earlier today.
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Jared Dudley said, Uh, Disney employees can still kind of come and go, which I can't believe the MBA is not Stop that or not, you know, jumped in to say, Wait a minute, we've got You know, Malcolm Brogdon recently tested positive.
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Um, the big from my Denver I can't now.
00:24:02
His name eludes me.
00:24:03
Yo, yo, Kit's tested positive.
00:24:05
Um, and that's to be expected.
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Like, now these guys are getting tested.
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That's that's that's to be expected.
00:24:12
But I still can't understand how you're gonna have Disney staff going to add there.
00:24:18
Yeah, that that is kind of eye opening in that the players are having to sacrifice so much and the early so many people.
00:24:26
They can bring their force to be there.
00:24:28
If they leave, they have to go through a training regimen.
00:24:30
And then you've just got this back door where people are going in and out on a day to day basis.
00:24:34
It's It is weird.
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Just say no, it is.
00:24:39
And you know, just today the M V p.
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A.
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And then B announced that the league is gonna, you know, doom or what the players have asked for.
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Invest more in the black community, make sure they are hiring more black people, working more black vendors.
00:24:51
And so they've asked for all that.
00:24:53
And I'm wondering if at some point we will hear that the N B A and M V P.
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A.
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Has talked to Disney and they've ironed out, you know, not allowing the employees that come and go as they choose, because this is just It's too risky with the way that Florida saying the spikes and covert cases.
00:25:07
And so, um, I hope that they figure that part out, but it looks like basketball.
00:25:11
It's going to take place.
00:25:12
I mean, it was just a week ago, people were fearing that that it was gonna happen, and now we haven't heard anything.
00:25:17
If the funny part is, we haven't heard anything about Kyrie either.
00:25:21
And he was the center of attention for like a week in the media.
00:25:25
We have heard anything about him.
00:25:26
So I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Well, it's I it's I'm disappointed but not surprised in the national media and that it hasn't really been reported.
00:25:38
That group that Kyrie was sort of facilitating has been very successful in their names.
00:25:44
There was a lot of press about how disruptive and how he was going rogue and blowing up the process and a lot of other coded language that you was in there.
00:25:53
But no one's really talking about the fact that they are getting these investments from the league.
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In black communities they are getting The Lakers just made a higher for permanent staff toe, be educating the staff in tow, have community engagement with communities of color.
00:26:07
So the they're getting very, very real things from the N b A.
00:26:10
And I think that without that meeting last week, and without enough players saying, Hey, wait a minute, let's let's talk I don't think they get those kinds of concessions out of the league.
00:26:20
No, I agree.
00:26:21
I it's certainly being under reported right now.
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I think it was the M V p.
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A s Twitter account that actually made the announcement.
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Not woes, not shams.
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Not any of the big guys out there. They didn't.
00:26:30
They didn't talk much about it.
00:26:31
And so, um, maybe I'll get around to putting a piece up on Laker Central about that because I was some of that defended on Kyrie.
00:26:37
And I thought that the way he was being talked about, you know, by Stephen A.
00:26:41
Smith by Kendrick Perkins by a number of other folks, and it was ridiculous.
00:26:44
It was They really threw him under the bus.
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Ah, in a way that didn't need to happen.
00:26:48
And I kept telling people he's an elected vice president of the M V P. A.
00:26:53
It's literally his job.
00:26:54
And so people don't like the redefined print man.
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That's that's just that's what it is.
00:27:00
Um, let me get you out of here on this field.
00:27:04
How much of a loss is Avery Bradley? Um, it's significant.
00:27:09
I think he has a lot of intangibles that I think are really well defined by that clip from the Clippers game that everyone showed, where he took it from Pat bed and laid it up.
00:27:20
And then at a few things to say about it like he brings that that energy to defense that will be missed.
00:27:25
But I do think that there are enough guys with enough skills to step up and fill the spot.
00:27:31
And that sort of has been the mantra this year.
00:27:34
Bradley was out for a long time with an injury, and KCP really stepped up.
00:27:38
And that was when he started to shine.
00:27:39
This year s oh, it is a loss.
00:27:42
Make no mistake, but I think it's something that they can plan to overcome.
00:27:47
Yeah, I mean, the Lakers are not gonna be the only team that loses a key piece and a team's rotation.
00:27:53
We're probably gonna hear more about some of the other contenders where they may have players that might not want to go.
00:27:57
And so this is What were they big rocks for Portland recently? That hasn't been talked about a lot.
00:28:02
No, I I completely agree.
00:28:04
And a reason another, another player that had to step away because of some family issues.
00:28:09
I mean, we're dealing with the situation where there's still a pandemic going on amongst a number of other issues that these players are faced with.
00:28:17
And so it won't be easy for any of these guys that go into a bubble, especially when their families can't join them for several weeks down the road.
00:28:23
So, um, we'll find out more and more.
00:28:26
I think the Lakers tested their players yesterday, so it's a 24 hour test.
00:28:31
I would imagine at some point tonight we'll start hearing.
00:28:34
You know this player is positive.
00:28:35
This player was negative, and then Lakers, Twitter and MBA Twitter will act crazy about all that news, you know, because we can't be rational.
00:28:43
So, Phil, thank you for coming on.
00:28:46
Go ahead and plug another piece, man, I know you're working on something.
00:28:49
You're always working on something.
00:28:50
I I currently have two things in the pipeline.
00:28:54
One of them is a profile on Portland that I'm working on in terms potential playoff opponents, and another one is about.
00:29:01
It's gonna end up being a video pretty big video about the comeback of zone defense in the MBA, so keeping up with that stuff.
00:29:09
Sounds good.
00:29:10
We'll make sure you guys get Philip Follow.
00:29:11
He's one of the best.
00:29:12
What writers? That Laker Central.
00:29:13
He also writes for Lakers UK Shot automatic.
00:29:16
Those guys.
00:29:17
Um you know who I am, folks? So until next.
00:29:20
Ah, I'm out.
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What's up, Phil? Man, welcome back is a show.
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Thank you.
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I'm good, man.
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Um, a lot of late breaking news last night, right? Internet was going wild.
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I guess when that anything happens.
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Lakers related.
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So we got the word.
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Avery Bradley is not going to join the Lakers when they go down to Orlando.
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Uh, Bradley was one of the players that was out.
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Spoken about a number of reasons why he might not want to return.
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Um, And then we heard that he's decided, not return.
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His his son of has struggles a bit recovering from respiratory illnesses.
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And if you've been under a rock the last three months.
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That's exactly what Cove it does that attacks respiratory system, among other things, but certainly puts strain on that.
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And so there was some fear that maybe a sudden wouldn't even be approved to come into the bubble at Disney World.
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So, Phil, what what are your immediate or now that you've had some time to digest it? What are your thoughts on Avery Bradley? Not for joining with team.
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My first thought was that it's really understandable.
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Uh, things are getting kind of wild down in Florida.
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Uh, when it comes to Kobe did.
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You don't know how bad it's gonna be in three months, which is how long that you would have to be in the bubble, basically, especially if you're playing with the Lakers, were likely to make a deep playoff run.
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Um, so, yeah, if his son couldn't go there, it makes perfect sense to me that he would decide to sit out, especially because, as you were saying, he was one of the players, uh, along with that group that was on a call with Kyrie, who was really choosing to make social justice there primary their primary priority right now as opposed to basketball, so it's not too surprising from a basketball standpoint.
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It's kind of a bummer, but you can't really blame them for the decision.
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No, you can't and he's a He's a major cog and what we do.
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I mean, before we started recording right now, I tweeted out that a lot of people laughed at us for signing Bradley in the off season, and now those same folks are saying would be going to without him, right? And the truth is, he very much is an important piece of the team.
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He's going to starting guards.
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The Lakers already have a small rotation in terms of body size, but then it's not like they have a deep roster of all these guards.
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They can just throw in there anyway.
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Which is one of the reasons they signed Dion waiters and at one point were even talking to Darren Collison.
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But Bradley started in 44 of the Lakers 49 games.
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So if you look at the roster just how it stands it we'll get the J.
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R.
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Smith in a minute.
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But just the roster, Who would you plug in to replace him? Uh, I think of the starting spot.
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You're probably going to see KCP in there.
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Um, because what Bradley really brings to the starting unit that is replaceable or most important, is pointed.
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Detect.
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Defense is the guy who you really want guarding the ball.
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Danny Green is a great team defender, but he gets blown by sometimes when he's guarding the ball handler.
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So you really want someone who can, again, to whoever's got the ball in KCP can do that.
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He's got the lateral quickness and the sort of sneaky length toe frustrate ball handlers at that size.
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Eso I think he is the one who's gonna jump into that role, and on the bench, it's It's kind of a free for all.
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There's a chance for both waiters and Caruso to make really, really big minutes claims it will be interesting to see who ends up getting those.
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Yeah, I mean and shot out the events who just posted this, he said.
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Crisp assaulters is picking the Clippers now that the Lakers don't have Avery Bradley.
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I don't listen very much of what Chris Broussard says thes days.
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Whatever it is that we're gonna be in the middle of hot.
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Take Twitter and Hot.
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Take TV while anything that happens with Lakers.
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But, no, I'm just looking at the roster. You're right.
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My first thought is KCP.
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I know that there are Laker fans that are saying Give Crusoe his shot there.
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Laker fans saying Give tht iss is shot.
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You know Taylor.
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Horton Tucker is not ready. I'm sorry.
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Folks like there is a reason why he has not been in the Lakers.
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Ah, with basically the varsity squad.
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There's a reason for that, and there's no reason to rush him.
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There's time.
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So it's a tailing to us to the side for a moment.
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But KCP that's what I would plug in if you're just looking at who is on the roster as it stands, Um, this is Casey peace third season with the Lakers, and for two years fans were like Get rid of we hate him.
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He's overpaid, right? Um, and this third season he has found his groove with this Lakers team.
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I was looking at his numbers last night.
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He's shooting a career best 47% from the field and a career best 39% from three now.
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His attempt from three are down a little bit.
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Last season, he was shooting around five a game.
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This season, it's around three, but he probably needs to be around three.
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I don't think he needs to be a five or 63 point guy.
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You attempt guy in a game, but if you're just looking at who is on the roster, it's absolutely KCP.
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Um, the Lakers have some decisions to make.
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We're already hearing J. R.
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Smith, um, might be their preferred candidate.
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He was someone that they talked to.
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I'm worked out for them when they were trying to decide who they were going to bring in, whether it be him.
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Dion waiters, um, they chose Dion, who were all still waiting to see what he looks like.
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But Smith impressed them at the workout.
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He's got familiarity with LeBron.
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He played with him in Cleveland, despite all the means and stuff going around about some of the issues that Jr had in the finals.
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Um, he's 66 He would be the biggest guard on our team outside of Danny Green was 67 Um, what do your thoughts on on Jr coming to L. A.
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My biggest question about J.
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R. Smith is easy and cheap.
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He hasn't played really in two years.
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He played 11 games, I think, with Cleveland last year.
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But he's getting older for an N b A guard, Uh, and he hasn't played in a couple of years.
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So seeing if he is sort of game ready, I think would be a very interesting thing.
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If he is, he's got, uh, some of the things that I think we need.
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I would sort of prepare to have someone who I trusted a little bit more is a ball handler than J.
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R.
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Smith, which is one of the ways that KCP is improving this year.
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He has not been a reliable ball handler, but now they've actually had him running, Uh, those horn sets that they run for.
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Avery Bradley had been running them with KCP, and he's been, you know, give him two or three simple reads to making.
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He's been much better than he wasn't passed.
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Um, but I would I would rather have someone who can both space and distribute.
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But the options are kind of limited.
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At this point.
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You have to take what you can get.
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Yeah, I mean last night, I jokingly said, Wouldn't it be crazy if the Lakers signed Darren Collison? And you know, when people were saying where he's not in shape, he's not gonna play? It was a joke, folks, but, um, look, beggars can't be choosers, man.
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And we have suffered from lack of ball handling all season long.
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Despite the fact the Lakers have the second best record in NBA, LeBron has been amazing, but we expect LeBron to be LeBron.
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But in order to take some of the pressure off for him always having to initiate the offense, you know they have Rondo, who is obviously a capable handler.
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But he falls short and so many other ways at this stage of his career that if you're gonna plug him in that starting line up, you're just This is all Contra spacing issues.
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Defensive Asian issue is not that Bradley was a spacer, But I would say that one is a much better defender than Rondo and I think Bradley, which a lot of the ****ytic guys don't like.
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But he stayed in his lane.
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He was a jump shooter, mid range guy.
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He didn't force the three, um, but Rondo Another hand.
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I have nothing against them.
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I just to me he wouldn't be the answer.
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Caruso.
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He's somewhat of, ah capable ball handler, but he's susceptible to pressure and certainly going up against some, like the Clippers, who we may end up meeting in the playoffs.
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Pat Bev loves to talk, but also loves the ball pressure.
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And I don't know Crusoe's ready for that.
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Um, you know, there folks saying that let's just go big and insert Koosman the starting lineup.
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I wouldn't do that, either.
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Um, the Lakers need to go another guard.
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They really dio, um, And when you look at Smith, man, it's been, what, a year and 1/2 2 years? I think I think you only play 11 games last year in Cleveland.
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Um, and then he was kind of banished, if you will.
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And so I like J R Man.
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The Lakers have this running theme this year of taking guys that the rest of the league laughs at.
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Right. So I mentioned Avery Bradley.
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People said that he was finished, he wasn't good.
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And when he was with the Clippers, you know, they said when he had better numbers in Memphis.
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It was kind of a flash in the pain, but he has never been the same since Boston.
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He comes to L.
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A proves that he's capable, right? Dwight Howard? Everybody laughed at right.
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No one thought Lakers fans didn't think they would bring him back to L.
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A after what happened when he was here.
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And he's been a capable big on the rotation that someone that also might sit out and we'll get to him in a moment.
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But DaMarcus cousins, even though he didn't play this year.
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But you know, there are a lot of reports that he had had a great relationship with the folks on the Lakers front office.
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Some of the players he obviously, I believe, is still rehabbing with the Lakers, even though he's not officially signed by them.
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He's rehabbing on their time.
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Javale.
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I mean, the Lakers have this theme this year.
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Just come here and do your job and and LeBron and a D will do the heavy lifting, and I feel like that's that's been good for them.
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I would imagine Jr's tired or saying the Hennessy Mihm's tired, tired of seeing the name of him.
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I think was shooting the ball in the wrong way or it like come if you come to L a man.
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I mean, it's an opportunity for him.
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Toe figure out, you know? Can he can he right? The wrongs, I guess of the past, right? Yeah, I remember you're talking about Avery Bradley and White when they were signed.
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I remember in training camp when guys were coming out like LeBron and caused by an April was saying, You know, Avery Bradley's, the NDP and training camp like I love the energy of the Dwight Howard springing and everyone was like laughing it off like, yeah, right.
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You know, they're pumping these guys up, and then the season started and everyone was like, Oh, crap, they were serious, like these guys came to play and, ah, there's a chance that something similar could happen with J.
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R.
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That's the reason that I have been so excited to see Dion waiters on the court because he's we know that he likes to have a ball handling role.
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But the thing that he's proven while he's in Miami is that he can also play off ball, which means you can play him with LeBron right as well as use him as a secondary ball handler with the second unit.
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And I think that gives him a potential to be a really key piece in the rotation at the sort of guard small wings Flood.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I mean, Dion, bring something to the Lakers that they really didn't have, and that's just a ball handler in the guard position that could just score.
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I mean, Dion, he's one of those microwave guys.
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Once he gets going, he gets going and he does not lack confidence.
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How do you feel about the Lakers potentially having Dion and J.
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R.
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Two guys that forget the personality stuff? I think that they're fine players.
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Everyone has their personal issues, but just on the court, you're bringing on two guys that haven't played very much in the last year.
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I mean, how do you integrate them into a team that is very much in the thick of a playoff race in the midst of a pandemic? And ah, this whole bubble thing in in Orlando? The pre existing relationship with LeBron helps, and I think that the guys in the N B A probably know each other enough.
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It's such a close knit fraternity that I I don't think personalities will be too much of an issue, especially because the authority structure in that locker room is so set.
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Everyone knows who is in charge, and that really, really helps in terms of people being comfortable in their roles.
00:12:25
Um, I think Dion and Jr complete together quite well, actually.
00:12:28
That's a good thing about J. R.
00:12:30
Smith is that guys whose offensive skill sets are mostly off all are pretty easy to plug it because you don't need to create possessions for them.
00:12:37
You can just run them off a screen and let him do its thing.
00:12:40
And that's where he threats.
00:12:42
What are your thoughts If if Dwight decides to sit out what we where we go at that point, my personal preference for that would be to actually use Markieff Morris as a backup, uh, five at a lot of those minutes because he's strong enough to guard those guys, respectively, and he can based the floor.
00:13:05
He doesn't clog the lane at all.
00:13:07
Um, and I really like lineups where they have had, um, LeBron Morris Davis and then a couple of shooting wings like Green or KCP.
00:13:20
Those lineups are incredibly versatile in both ends, and they've been really, really successful.
00:13:26
Yeah, I like what Marky brings.
00:13:28
I like him a lot.
00:13:29
Um, I know a lot of Lakers fans, one of his brother, Marcus, but I think Mark IV has done just finding limited amount of time that we've got to see him as a Laker.
00:13:37
Anthony Davis would undoubtedly have to play more center if Dwight sits out.
00:13:41
I know 80 doesn't like doing that, but I always figured in the playoff the Lakers might go small a little more often, anyway.
00:13:48
And 80 maybe more so at the five.
00:13:50
So that's something, Um, something.
00:13:53
I've been thinking about it.
00:13:54
I want to get your opinion on this.
00:13:56
So we first we heard, like a few days ago that DeMarcus Cousins was gonna be done for the season and just rehab.
00:14:02
Then we heard Hold on.
00:14:03
His agent said he has not made a decision.
00:14:06
Do you think that that's in any relation to? If the White sits out, the markets could potentially come back for the Lakers.
00:14:14
I think he's keeping his options open.
00:14:17
I still went out even if that spot becomes available that you would take it as opposed to continuing his rehab.
00:14:25
But I still I think that his agent and probably him got together.
00:14:29
And but, well, it's a little too early to rule it out just yet, especially with Dwight still in limbo.
00:14:35
And as far as the public is concerned, so it just seems like a smart wait and see kind of move.
00:14:42
Yeah, I think with this team.
00:14:44
And, um, I've said this on a number of other episodes, but this team is built for adversity.
00:14:50
You've got LeBron James and Anti Davis, two of the top five players in the NBA.
00:14:54
LeBron has seen everything right, and then you've got a team of all veterans.
00:14:58
So even if they have to add some veterans that, you know, maybe they make some mistakes every here, every now and again.
00:15:03
Or maybe they have a couple off games.
00:15:05
This team has got, you know, such good camaraderie.
00:15:08
The front office is as stable front offices we've seen since Jerry West was probably in town, and that's not the discredit Mitch Cup Jack, who I think was actually a great GM, that probably didn't get the credit he deserved.
00:15:19
Um, and he became a bit of a laughing stock with this stuff was going on with Jim Buss and all that stuff.
00:15:24
But Mitch was a fabulous GM who learned on their under Jerry.
00:15:27
But the Lakers air stable right now, and what's really funny about that stability is what's happening with Jason Kidd.
00:15:36
So in the off season, right either.
00:15:39
I know you remember Phil.
00:15:40
It was we were gonna talkto Amani Williams tie Lulu.
00:15:44
There were rumors that Tyler was basically and it was in the bag.
00:15:47
He was a LeBron guy.
00:15:48
He's an ex Laker, blah, blah, blah.
00:15:51
That doesn't happen, right? The Lakers.
00:15:53
They wanted to give him a shorter contract.
00:15:55
From what I understand, whatever, he doesn't become the head coach, right? And then you start hearing Jason Kidd rumors and Stephen A.
00:16:03
Smith goes on TV and says the Lakers actually wanted to hire Jason Kidd, but they didn't want to deal with the public backlash because of some things in his background.
00:16:12
So they hire Frank Vogel that people laugh at and they say, Well, OK, Vogue was gonna come in town.
00:16:17
Sure, he was great in Indiana.
00:16:19
But that was years ago.
00:16:20
The game has evolved and, oh, my God, he's got a higher Jason Kidd kids going to stab him in the back.
00:16:25
Well, fast forward, what, six months or so and Jason Kidd has been integral. The Lakers success.
00:16:32
I believe he's had a lot to do with LeBron moving more to point guard, and now the Knicks are looking at Jason Kidd.
00:16:39
I mean, it's funny how this works when no one wanted to touch him just last summer, and now all of a sudden he's up for one of the most popular franchises in the world.
00:16:50
I mean, how does that happen? Well, in his his head, coaching stints have also not ended harmoniously in Brooklyn.
00:16:57
He that whole situation up, he basically got run out of town in the walkie in spite of the honest, this attempt to lobby for him.
00:17:06
Um, so it's He seems to be a coach that's very popular with players and not really anyone else.
00:17:13
Um, so it it might be an interesting fit in New York, actually, because there is.
00:17:22
I don't think that anyone who is playing for the next has a very high opinion of Mr Dolan or the way that the team has been run.
00:17:30
So maybe having players coaches, a buffer would be beneficial for them.
00:17:35
Either way, I do think it's It's very funny that Jason Kidd's next head coaching job probably will not be for the Lakers, and I'm very pleased for him.
00:17:43
I'll put it that way.
00:17:46
You know Leon Rose.
00:17:47
He's now running the Knicks, and just today they brought in, um, World wide West, another super agent to be a part of that front office.
00:17:54
And so the Knicks, they're going in a different direction.
00:17:57
I have no idea how and how hands on Dolan is right now as opposed to how he used to be.
00:18:03
Um, But I always tell people this man, if you're a player and you're kind of on the fringes and you come to L.
00:18:10
A and you do well, you'll stick around in the NBA.
00:18:12
If you're a coach and you're on the fringes, you come in L.
00:18:14
A and the Lakers do well, you'll get another job.
00:18:17
I mean, that's just what happens when you coach or you played for the Lakers.
00:18:20
And so I do think you're right.
00:18:22
I think, Ah, lot of players respect Kiev.
00:18:24
Think 99% of all the NBA players respect Jason Kidd.
00:18:27
He's absolutely one of the best point guards of all time.
00:18:30
He's second all time and assist with over 12,000 assist.
00:18:33
I mean, the man, he was amazing when he was in his prime and one a champion.
00:18:45
You're going to see this thing? Um, if Kid ends up in New York, God bless him if that's what he wants to do.
00:18:52
Um, but he is the highest paid assistant coach in the NBA.
00:18:56
And there are some rumors that the Knicks might think that he could.
00:19:00
Somehow Laurie honest to New York because of their relationship.
00:19:04
And maybe the Lakers think the same.
00:19:07
I don't know, um, but one thing I do know, I don't think any of any player, particularly a superstar, is choosing a team because of the coach.
00:19:15
Now that certainly plays a role and who you play for plays a role.
00:19:20
But there are other things that we know.
00:19:22
Players now find more important.
00:19:24
Max contracts, um, the city that the team plays in other business ventures that they can enter and based on playing for that team. Snow.
00:19:32
I think Kid would have to have a seriously strong relationship with the honest Teoh go there.
00:19:38
I mean, and no matter what I mean, I think kids record, I just headed up kids coaching record is 183 and 1 90 So, to your point, he hasn't had a great coaching stint at all.
00:19:48
All eyes will be on him in New York if he does go there, and if they bring you honest, they're all eyes will certainly be on your honest and four franchise that has not been good for basically 30 years.
00:19:57
I mean, I know they went to the finals and 99 the lockout season, but they haven't been good for the better part of 30 years.
00:20:04
That's a lot of pressure to bring in kid, then bring try to get him to bring in Yana.
00:20:08
So I just find it funny that the narrative on kid is completely flipped, it seems, Yeah, um, and it's It does seem like a characteristically next move to try to put a lot of eggs in the kiddie honest basket just because they very recently I know it was a different uh, general management team.
00:20:26
But they also recently put all of their eggs in the KD Kyrie basket way.
00:20:31
All saw how that went when they basically traded Kristaps Portion goes for Dennis Smith and a bag of potato chips.
00:20:39
Um, so it it ah, high risk, high reward move.
00:20:43
You think if they make enough of them eventually one of them will pay off, but it is the next.
00:20:47
So you never know.
00:20:50
I say the Knicks like the Nick.
00:20:52
I mean, they just can't get it right, man.
00:20:54
And it's a There's an old Jay Z line.
00:20:56
I think that even a garbage can gets a stake and next, they have not gotten a stake in a really long time.
00:21:04
I mean, they didn't have Carmelo Ana Mari there in their primes, but I think that was the last time they won 50 games.
00:21:09
But that didn't really work out successfully, even after they gave up basically everything to get mellow.
00:21:14
But I don't know if kid goes there more power to him.
00:21:17
If he staged the Lakers, um, the way he's been right now, he's behind the scenes.
00:21:22
You don't hear a lot from him the players clearly like him if he decides to stay in that capacity, and the Lakers won him great.
00:21:30
But Frank Vogel has done such a great job this year.
00:21:33
Um, not just on the corporate.
00:21:35
Off the court, he has handled the L A media.
00:21:37
I mean, I don't Maybe Phil Jackson's the last guy and fills a different breed away.
00:21:42
He jabs the media and way he deals with things.
00:21:44
But, you know, Frank Vogel has handled the media wonderfully, and he's handled having two superstars, you know, just in a way that I don't know if he could have asked for better start for Vogel.
00:21:56
You mean, what do you think? Uh, no, we couldn't have and shameless plug time.
00:22:00
Uh, this morning I had a piece go up the Lakers UK outlining his coach of the year case, so be sure to check that up.
00:22:08
Um, he got my vote, but the he really seems like he's approaching this from a sort of eagle s perspective, which I think is how he has to do it when he's got two superstars and just the bears of the Los Angeles media.
00:22:22
On top of him, all the time.
00:22:24
The very direct, simple, honest, collaborative approach that he's put together has not just earned him the respective of the players and buy in from the players.
00:22:32
But it really has shielded him from a lot of the bad press that we thought was going to come his way.
00:22:38
I mean, remember over the summertime we heard that curtain in the Rambis were running the team.
00:22:44
We heard Jason Kidd was gonna backstab Vogel.
00:22:46
We heard Rob didn't know anything about the salary cap.
00:22:49
And now long sandal Wendell Hollins into an assassin in the media Man.
00:22:55
Vogel is now a coach of the year candidate.
00:22:56
I think Rob Pelinka is absolutely a executive of the year candidate as well.
00:23:01
And you don't hear a peep the way the Lakers run things now, as opposed to how magic ran things.
00:23:07
And this isn't this isn't meteo, you know, make fun of magic.
00:23:10
And he's one of the greatest players of all time. A legend.
00:23:12
I've got a Lakers magic jersey in my closet right next to me, but obviously he wasn't great as the Lakers president of basketball operations and everything leaked all the time and you hear nothing from Rob Pelinka.
00:23:24
I mean, he goes to games, he says kind of that little tunnel area.
00:23:27
He walks away.
00:23:28
He's not.
00:23:29
It's not about him, and he could very well make it about him.
00:23:32
But he doesn't.
00:23:33
And so the Lakers have cleaned up this franchise, and I'm I'm excited to see what they do in Orlando.
00:23:39
You mentioned earlier the cases in Orlando going up on a number of other places as well.
00:23:43
I think it was just earlier today.
00:23:45
Jared Dudley said, Uh, Disney employees can still kind of come and go, which I can't believe the MBA is not Stop that or not, you know, jumped in to say, Wait a minute, we've got You know, Malcolm Brogdon recently tested positive.
00:23:58
Um, the big from my Denver I can't now.
00:24:02
His name eludes me.
00:24:03
Yo, yo, Kit's tested positive.
00:24:05
Um, and that's to be expected.
00:24:08
Like, now these guys are getting tested.
00:24:10
That's that's that's to be expected.
00:24:12
But I still can't understand how you're gonna have Disney staff going to add there.
00:24:18
Yeah, that that is kind of eye opening in that the players are having to sacrifice so much and the early so many people.
00:24:26
They can bring their force to be there.
00:24:28
If they leave, they have to go through a training regimen.
00:24:30
And then you've just got this back door where people are going in and out on a day to day basis.
00:24:34
It's It is weird.
00:24:37
Just say no, it is.
00:24:39
And you know, just today the M V p.
00:24:41
A.
00:24:42
And then B announced that the league is gonna, you know, doom or what the players have asked for.
00:24:46
Invest more in the black community, make sure they are hiring more black people, working more black vendors.
00:24:51
And so they've asked for all that.
00:24:53
And I'm wondering if at some point we will hear that the N B A and M V P.
00:24:57
A.
00:24:58
Has talked to Disney and they've ironed out, you know, not allowing the employees that come and go as they choose, because this is just It's too risky with the way that Florida saying the spikes and covert cases.
00:25:07
And so, um, I hope that they figure that part out, but it looks like basketball.
00:25:11
It's going to take place.
00:25:12
I mean, it was just a week ago, people were fearing that that it was gonna happen, and now we haven't heard anything.
00:25:17
If the funny part is, we haven't heard anything about Kyrie either.
00:25:21
And he was the center of attention for like a week in the media.
00:25:25
We have heard anything about him.
00:25:26
So I mean, what are your thoughts on that? Well, it's I it's I'm disappointed but not surprised in the national media and that it hasn't really been reported.
00:25:38
That group that Kyrie was sort of facilitating has been very successful in their names.
00:25:44
There was a lot of press about how disruptive and how he was going rogue and blowing up the process and a lot of other coded language that you was in there.
00:25:53
But no one's really talking about the fact that they are getting these investments from the league.
00:25:57
In black communities they are getting The Lakers just made a higher for permanent staff toe, be educating the staff in tow, have community engagement with communities of color.
00:26:07
So the they're getting very, very real things from the N b A.
00:26:10
And I think that without that meeting last week, and without enough players saying, Hey, wait a minute, let's let's talk I don't think they get those kinds of concessions out of the league.
00:26:20
No, I agree.
00:26:21
I it's certainly being under reported right now.
00:26:23
I think it was the M V p.
00:26:24
A s Twitter account that actually made the announcement.
00:26:26
Not woes, not shams.
00:26:28
Not any of the big guys out there. They didn't.
00:26:30
They didn't talk much about it.
00:26:31
And so, um, maybe I'll get around to putting a piece up on Laker Central about that because I was some of that defended on Kyrie.
00:26:37
And I thought that the way he was being talked about, you know, by Stephen A.
00:26:41
Smith by Kendrick Perkins by a number of other folks, and it was ridiculous.
00:26:44
It was They really threw him under the bus.
00:26:47
Ah, in a way that didn't need to happen.
00:26:48
And I kept telling people he's an elected vice president of the M V P. A.
00:26:53
It's literally his job.
00:26:54
And so people don't like the redefined print man.
00:26:58
That's that's just that's what it is.
00:27:00
Um, let me get you out of here on this field.
00:27:04
How much of a loss is Avery Bradley? Um, it's significant.
00:27:09
I think he has a lot of intangibles that I think are really well defined by that clip from the Clippers game that everyone showed, where he took it from Pat bed and laid it up.
00:27:20
And then at a few things to say about it like he brings that that energy to defense that will be missed.
00:27:25
But I do think that there are enough guys with enough skills to step up and fill the spot.
00:27:31
And that sort of has been the mantra this year.
00:27:34
Bradley was out for a long time with an injury, and KCP really stepped up.
00:27:38
And that was when he started to shine.
00:27:39
This year s oh, it is a loss.
00:27:42
Make no mistake, but I think it's something that they can plan to overcome.
00:27:47
Yeah, I mean, the Lakers are not gonna be the only team that loses a key piece and a team's rotation.
00:27:53
We're probably gonna hear more about some of the other contenders where they may have players that might not want to go.
00:27:57
And so this is What were they big rocks for Portland recently? That hasn't been talked about a lot.
00:28:02
No, I I completely agree.
00:28:04
And a reason another, another player that had to step away because of some family issues.
00:28:09
I mean, we're dealing with the situation where there's still a pandemic going on amongst a number of other issues that these players are faced with.
00:28:17
And so it won't be easy for any of these guys that go into a bubble, especially when their families can't join them for several weeks down the road.
00:28:23
So, um, we'll find out more and more.
00:28:26
I think the Lakers tested their players yesterday, so it's a 24 hour test.
00:28:31
I would imagine at some point tonight we'll start hearing.
00:28:34
You know this player is positive.
00:28:35
This player was negative, and then Lakers, Twitter and MBA Twitter will act crazy about all that news, you know, because we can't be rational.
00:28:43
So, Phil, thank you for coming on.
00:28:46
Go ahead and plug another piece, man, I know you're working on something.
00:28:49
You're always working on something.
00:28:50
I I currently have two things in the pipeline.
00:28:54
One of them is a profile on Portland that I'm working on in terms potential playoff opponents, and another one is about.
00:29:01
It's gonna end up being a video pretty big video about the comeback of zone defense in the MBA, so keeping up with that stuff.
00:29:09
Sounds good.
00:29:10
We'll make sure you guys get Philip Follow.
00:29:11
He's one of the best.
00:29:12
What writers? That Laker Central.
00:29:13
He also writes for Lakers UK Shot automatic.
00:29:16
Those guys.
00:29:17
Um you know who I am, folks? So until next.
00:29:20
Ah, I'm out.

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