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00:00:03
and welcome back once again to SportsCastr news.
00:00:05
Where, as always I am Adam, are Brecht.
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And today we talk about obviously the return of the N b A.
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Coming up here next month at the end of July.
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But a lot of different things going on around the return.
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Some players were concerned about where the attention and the focus is going to be.
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Some players organizations teams are wondering about the health and the risks to the players and about the format.
00:00:29
And is it equal? Is it fair? And who wants to be a part of it? And will the championship the legitimate? The other piece of it that we've heard some things about, though to is the idea that some of these young players that are in line for big contract extensions are looking at the idea of a couple of things leading into it.
00:00:47
They'd already talked about insurance policies in case they suffer will be labeled as career ending injuries.
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The tricky part there is that you don't know what is career ending right? That would legitimately have to be something where you never play basketball again.
00:01:02
But I think that some players are worried whether it's coming off of you coming into potential big deals or coming off this long layoff going all the way back to mid March, Are you going to be able to be in? Have you kept yourself in as good a shape as you possibly could have? Are you in N B a basketball shape right now? And are you worried about maybe tweaking something because your body is just off of this rhythm that you're normally in on a season to season basis in the N B A.
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Three big names that come to mind here are Donovan Mitchell of the Utah Jazz.
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Bam out a bio down there with the Miami Heat and then, of course, Tatum up there in Boston now, I mean, on the surface, I think that most of these the most of these are guys that you just going to say, obviously, cut those checks, and it's very easy to do that when it's not my check.
00:01:50
But I wanted to just take a peek at each one of these situations and see if there's really any caveats that you might throw into the idea of giving the Max extension to all three of these players in the 1st 1 up, and I think of the easiest one that there is t kind of check the box on, and that's take him up in Boston.
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He was just starting to even take that next evolution of his game this season before the stoppage came.
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So this is the age the angel.
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The age makes sense, the pieces around and make sense in a lot of ways to write.
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Remember, you've got Gordon Hayward coming off the books this year.
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Now will he be back? That's a possibility.
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But I would think that more than likely the Boston Celtics might just try to retool that, right? Obviously, it didn't work out.
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You brought him in injuries, Setback Hayward.
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And now 29 years old.
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He'll be 30 next year.
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Ah, and you don't know Look like he was getting back into into form over the summer stage of the season.
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But just how does he fit in with the pieces when you brought him in? You didn't have Kemba Walker there yet.
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Now you have Kemba Walker, obviously.
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And now you have Tatum becoming more assertive there as well.
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Combined that with Jalen Brown combined with the already existence there off a Marcus Smart.
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You have a lot of nice pieces there, and then you start to think about.
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If you're the Boston Celtics, where might you want to improve a little bit? Certainly, the center position has some young talent there.
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But maybe you want to go out and get a defined piece toe, add into the center of this unit and move you from being that third or fourth seed in the Eastern Conference and get you up over top of the Toronto Raptors and in legitimate battle there with Johannes and the Bucks for the Eastern Conference over these next handful of season.
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So for all of those reasons, plus the talent skill set alone, I think that Tatum is a very easy player to cut that check.
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I don't think you'll see any hesitation from it.
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And the conversations that are happening are asking the question.
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Can they get thes Max extensions prior to the MBA resuming down in Orlando on July 30th? If this is the push, come to shove scenario in this in this particular instance with Tatum, I sign that check.
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I don't think twice about it.
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I love what I have in him, and I love when I'm building around him.
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So there's really no hesitation there.
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And just to briefly go over some of those other tap numbers that we talk about with the Boston Celtics.
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Remember, you got Campbell there for 32.
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Again, Hayward's going to sit there at 32 as well, and then you're paying smart 12 7 for Tatum right now, Almost a 1,000,000.
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And then after that, it's Jaylen Brown who's on that rookie deal so he could be coming up here eventually to.
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And that's what makes some of these numbers interesting in terms of the Gordon Hayward piece, if you want.
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If you're gonna sign, take it to the max.
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And then if you want to reward reward Jaylen Brown as well.
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Whatever that number ends up looking like you're gonna need to free up some other money elsewhere in order to do so and thes 27 of the center position again just to bring that home a power forward.
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But he's worked over there at times as well.
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Then you have cancer of the center position, both older, not over the hill, but in their late twenties, so certainly improving and just improving the skills of that position as well would be nice to do so.
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Those are some of the things that Boston probably looks at beyond what Tatum is as a player, and says, Yeah, we can go ahead and sign off on that pretty quickly.
00:05:05
Head down to Miami Now, when we think about the idea of Bam on a bio, a player that that really kind of came into his own this year in a lot of weights, right? Not as much on him.
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That was much notoriety around him, like a Tatum or the third player that we'll talk about in a minute in Donovan Mitchell.
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But you bring in Jimmy Butler.
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You have this combination now off being in the middle of the pack there in the Eastern Conference.
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Certainly, on the upper end of things you wonder about do don't is Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra.
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The Miami Heat.
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Look it, this team, as it's currently constructed as being a championship caliber team, Or do they look at the Jimmy Butler move and some of the peace that they have? There's one that help stem the tide Miami Heat have been one of those franchises that when you look at them, it's really easy to always see how they make some little tweaks and little adjustments on a year to year basis on a on a who say, You know, ah, Group two group from a player standpoint to make sure that they're always competitive, they don't spend 3456 years out of the playoff picture rights.
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That's not something that Pat Riley's gonna deal with.
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And also Erik Spoelstra has proven to be a quality coach that's adaptable when you think about bringing in a new cast of characters and being able to hold your system and then use some of those skill sets to the best of their ability.
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We get inside the payroll here for a minute because I do want to take a look.
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So you got Jimmy Butler on the books through 2023 will be making 37 a half $1,000,000.
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Ah, beyond him, though, however you've got drug it, he's gonna come off the books here after this season, So that's 20 million that you're gonna have out there just just north of 19 million really? So that's going to give you a little bit of space there.
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Andre Iguodala, at 36 years old right now on the books through 2022 where he make 15 million, wouldn't be surprised if it at the best.
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He's on this roster next season, but I wouldn't see him there the following year.
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But still you have to count for that.
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15 million you're gonna have Ah, Kelly Olynyk.
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I would expect maybe that he is a body that could be moved if you wanted to.
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So this is what we talk about.
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The roster is currently is currently constructed is a stem the tide roster.
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But if you were, if you were to move on from drug it and move on from Kelly Olynyk, they combine there for $30 million.
00:07:23
So now you're already starting to open up some some more cap room to bring in some free agents.
00:07:28
We would have this conversation the other day about who are other guys that are out there that maybe the Miami Heat would love to get down.
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It was that wild speculation about the Yonas Victor Oladipo, not speculation.
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Just the fun, the fun conversation right.
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But Victor Oladipo might be someone that legitimately you could attract down to Miami because it is a little bit of unrest there in ah, in Indy.
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And he wants that Max contract that Pays had offered him.
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I think of four for 80 million.
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So he feels like there's just this big gap there between who he is as a player and what the Pacers are willing to pay him.
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So now, all the sudden, if you need to open up some cap room to create space for a player like all the Depo, that again shifts this Miami Heat team up another level once more.
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Beyond that, though, there's really not a ton of money on the books beyond this upcoming season.
00:08:14
You know Meyers Leonard, a 28 making 11 million, and then you have to go pretty far down before you get to Auto Bio, whose only making 3.
00:08:21
5 this year five million next year on a 22 years old, now a 22.
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There's so much upside still for him to develop in his game, it once again does feel like a closer to easy than difficult choice to sign him to in the Vax.
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And there's a number of reasons why you could be excited about that, too, right? You know, you talk about what he did here this past season.
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65 games at gave you 16 and 10.
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So a double double obviously did a lot of that good work on the interior.
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We've highlighted him from that rapture reading standpoint, which will try to pull up.
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Here is well, because when you think about where he waas in the league as a 22 year old already establishing himself as a viable weapon year, we'll get inside these numbers real quick to see if we can just lock it up for you.
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Oughta Bile.
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There is so on the defensive end.
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Let's talk about it.
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Defense advantage of plus two.
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He's a minus half on the offensive end, so 11.
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5 nothing to write home about, necessarily, but still trending in the right direction and giving you obviously strong defensive presence.
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The wins above replacement is another good number to look at with him because it is at 4.
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8, and if you think about the fact that he's just 22 years old and sits there as the 31st overall in terms of wins above replacement, the war as we always talk about.
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So that's a big number there to thank you to above a book for throwing out some popcorn.
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Little midday snack never hurt anybody.
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So that's the issue, though, right? Um, not the issue.
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But that's the caveat, their 31st overall in wins above replacement as a 22 year old center.
00:09:56
So if you need to be to continue to develop his game, it's certainly going to be a peace that he can probably look at and say, Yes, we can build around him after having shipped off some other bad assets that had they've been dealing with that center position in recent memory.
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The other benefit for them is from a cap standpoint, they have the space to do so.
00:10:15
So signing him to a Max deal, knowing that in the world worst case quote unquote scenario in a couple more years, you're going tohave.
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Butler's contract come off the books if you chose to, and they're still give you plenty of room to work with the thing with any of these deals.
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Ah, and I don't think Boston's gonna worry about it.
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Maybe the Heat would.
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Considering any of these.
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Any team on the MBA is.
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What is the Cap Saudi Capital look like Next year, right? Howard team's going to be affected based on past contracts and then where the salary cap ends up.
00:10:45
If it's going to take a hit and come down a little bit, there's gonna be a lot of teams as a Nets fan and commentator.
00:10:51
They're going to be in the luxury tax already, But it's going to even steeper of a hit for the owner.
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They're in Josephs.
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I had to deep into dip into his pockets to make sure that he covers those extra penalties that you're gonna take from the leak.
00:11:03
So those are factors, but Miami is in a really strong position to be able to get through this, pay a young player like this, continue to start to then slowly build around him as some of the older talent phases itself Out down there in Miami, the final piece that we talk about So we've already given to check marks here for Tatum and for Adam Bio.
00:11:25
The only scenario, I would say is if you are the Miami Heat and you theoretically think that what you're looking at is, ah, player like I am on a bio as a valuable piece.
00:11:38
But that will never be the centerpiece for your team and that I'm not not saying one way or the other.
00:11:42
But if he isn't from Pat Riley's perspective, from, you know, from Spoelstra's perspective, the idea of as we get into the Utah Jazz here if Rudy Gobert needs to be moved, what is the value that you get of a Rudy Gobert on the Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler rate now, as opposed to what on a bio will be right now and versus what he will be for you a handful of years from now? I think.
00:12:09
And I talked about this with Matt Brooks on here the other day.
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I think that probably you're talking about Gold Bear having another couple of really strong years before things start to fall off for him.
00:12:20
We know how elite he is defensively, if you can.
00:12:23
If that's enough for you, number one in the Rapture rating as Faras defensive efficiency s so far this season, then you can hang your hat on that and maybe that trade off is worth it.
00:12:34
And maybe that's the kind of player sign and trade that the Miami Heat would be willing to part with.
00:12:40
The Utah Jazz will be excited to get a younger player, a young center, that side by side with Donovan Mitchell in terms off, not just salary and, you know, in the contract.
00:12:52
But in age so now they're going to develop together because they were talking about this idea of how Gobert and Mitchell might be the you know, the new, the new stock in him alone, right? Be 67 years apart.
00:13:06
So at some point, Goldberger's garden going to start to fade away, his skill sets going, start to diminish and you're gonna end up with an age Gobert and then a Donovan Mitchell just entering his prime.
00:13:16
Where is making a move? If you get in on a bio, obviously or player of that, like would be a really big move for the Utah Jazz to have sustainability around Mitchell Going forward with that, though, we move into finally, the Donovan Mitchell piece of this and the Utah Jazz are an interesting spot, really.
00:13:32
you know, But one thing that I'll say is that when you talk about guard positions, you know he's been a little bit up and down a Z faras his career goes that you could start there with Jonathan Mitchell.
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I just don't know how as the Utah Jazz, you could afford not to pay him.
00:13:51
You know, when you're in quote unquote, the smaller market teams, you're gonna have difficulty attracting, attracting some of those big names when it comes to free agency.
00:14:00
That's why if you're gonna pull something off often times, you have to think about it from the sign and trade perspective like we're talking about with an auto by.
00:14:07
Or maybe you could even think about, Ah, the young player at their Christian would in the Detroit Pistons, right? Another young player? Well, maybe there's a sign and trade opportunity there that you get this this this young talent to your team.
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Pair him with a young player who also is very skilled.
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And then is that relationship grows.
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You get commitment for them to want to stay there.
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We've seen it around the league.
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Guys like Damian Lillard.
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We saw rest Westbrook try to stay there in O K.
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C. For a number of years.
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You know, players want to do it, or at least on the surface.
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They said they want to appeal.
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Is saying this now that in Washington, but 10 you realistically maintain these players on their contract in man's and the success of the team, and it's always harder when the team isn't doing well.
00:14:47
So when you look at now the Utah Jazz, you realized you're talking about a team that hasn't success that hasn't had, you know that is having a pretty good run right now.
00:14:56
Here's the problem You brought in the player like my Connolly accounts for 32 million.
00:15:00
You got gold bear making 24.
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Right now you've got Bogdanovich of 30 years old, making 17 million.
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You've got Jordan Clarkson making 13 Joe angles, making nearly $12 million as well.
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Top end of this roster.
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Those names I just listed there 31 27 30 27 31.
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Not a young unit here.
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Donovan Mitchell making just 3.
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5 1,000,000 in just 23 years old at the guard position.
00:15:25
This is the interesting piece to that.
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I talked about with with with a few people.
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With that Brooks.
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I talked about it with Doug Gloria's.
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Well, guards are a somewhat replenish a ble commodity.
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You know, when we talk about the Brooklyn Nets and what they chose to do even before knowing for sure that they were gonna be able to pursue Kyrie Irving when you like when you send off D'Angelo Russell, that ends up coming to trade for Kevin Durant.
00:15:49
But the idea was they weren't going to give him a Max contract for all of the value that he showed you on the court for all the the big A couple of big shots that he hit, you know, the consistency, some offensive explosion. Fantastic.
00:16:01
But when you took us that back from it, what was the real impact at all right, you made the playoffs, but you weren't going to make a deep playoff run with DeAngelo Russell necessarily.
00:16:09
And we've seen him rotate through a couple of stops.
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Maybe he's found his home now in Minnesota, but you see how he's looked at.
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It's just kind of this rotational cap piece in a lot of ways that teams are willing to throw in as a part of a deal to make other moves that they want to have happen in the background.
00:16:25
Now.
00:16:26
I'm not saying that that the Donovan Mitchell and D'Angelo Russell on the same level, but the concern that you have to think about in some ways is as we talk about his rapture rating is what? What is he ultimately giving you on the court, plus 2.
00:16:40
5 on the offense event? It's a nice number.
00:16:43
Negative 2.3 on the defense's side.
00:16:46
This is something that Matt Brooks spoke to about how you're supposed to have a bit more defensive prowess and whether or not, as we've seen, sometimes Well, because you have a go bare there.
00:16:54
Maybe because that relationship, the communication, whatever the case may be, he's gotten a little more lax on that end of the floor.
00:17:00
So then you talk about coming out there with the overall just barely, barely on the positive side of things.
00:17:06
A 0.
00:17:07
2 for that rapture rating, which, but now the interesting number that is worth throwing out in spite of that is the 3.
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3 war that he gives you so He is, of course, impacting the game in that way.
00:17:18
But much like we just listed Ban Maada Bio there.
00:17:20
That's good for 71st in the league for Donovan Mitchell.
00:17:25
So how do you about how do you balance this? And again, if you're a small market team like the Utah Jazz, how do you balance giving a max contract to a player like Donovan Mitchell? And not necessarily knowing or may or may be knowing in the back of your mind that that this may not lead to deep playoff runs like we want the fan base will brutalizing if you don't sign it because fans are reactionary that way.
00:17:50
You want this talent union? He is talented.
00:17:54
But once you lock into that money and again with the way things were gonna look, the C B A is coming up.
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We know there's given impact from Cove it and the layoff on a league and on the money and what the new cap room looks like.
00:18:06
So how much are you going to end up locking yourself into a very difficult situation? Potentially where one of two things it'll be hard to have extra money to bring another talent and that and then let alone attracting it and order.
00:18:19
You end up just riding out a big contract and for small market teams, sometimes is important to sacrifice that and know that you have this star there to make sure that you keep bringing fans back in.
00:18:29
But if I'm the Utah Jazz and this is something that note very rarely, you're gonna see a team do this.
00:18:35
But I would wonder, Where is your best value? Are you going to get the most value out of Donovan Mitchell on a Max contract? They will undoubtedly sign it if that's what he wants to do before the NBA's resumes.
00:18:50
They'll undoubtedly trade Rudy Gobert before they would ever consider the idea of moving Mitchell.
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Because Gold Bears older because he plays ah position and plays a position in a way that is diminishing in this league over the last handful of years.
00:19:06
You know that defensive first style doesn't have a ton of perimeter shooting to his game.
00:19:10
These are all the questions that have to be asked from the Utah Jazz perspective.
00:19:14
The last thing that will take a look at here, too, is the Utah Jazz and their contracts right now, because we already highlighted some of those bigger numbers that are going to be on the books here.
00:19:24
Let's assume is, well, that any of the conversations around this idea that they're going to move on from, ah, from Rudy Gobert Let's just assume that he's going to be there long term.
00:19:35
This is not something that is simply going to get taken care of my movies, by the way, that number that we threw out there, which was what you're talking about.
00:19:43
2024 a half.
00:19:45
25 million In a number that obviously is going to go up Well, you know, that's gonna be tricky.
00:19:49
So as we see here, Rudy Gobert making that 25 million this year next year, 26 a half 1,000,000.
00:19:54
That's the last year of his contract.
00:19:56
So that's the other impetus for the Jazz to consider making a move like that another guy would be.
00:20:00
Bogdanovich will be 31 17 18 19 19.
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5 1,000,000 all the way out to 2023.
00:20:07
That's a number that you probably think about moving because again, I don't think that he's giving you necessarily.
00:20:12
The impact based on what you're allocating for him under the cap is, well, a guy like Joe Ingles.
00:20:18
He's probably someone at 30 to listen at the end of 2021 22 seasons.
00:20:23
Gonna make 14 million.
00:20:24
You can probably live with that a lot of ways, and he's been there a long time.
00:20:27
He is very much tied to that franchise on has not been out of the disruption like Regal Bear has recently, so you probably can live with him.
00:20:36
Beyond that, the only other one is gonna be Royce O Neill currently has a deal that takes him all the way to 2023 24 season making just under 10 million but nevertheless still a number that you're gonna have to work with.
00:20:48
Beyond that, those are older numbers you really have to worry about.
00:20:52
Mike Conley comes off after next season as well.
00:20:54
So you have Conley and go bare both coming off the books before you have to pay a Donovan Mitchell.
00:21:00
And again, the question you have to ask is if I just have Donovan Mitchell here, and if we are always a good enough team, to be in and around that playoff conversation to be the 6th 5th 6th 7th seed in the Western Conference.
00:21:13
We're never going to get into the lottery to maybe mix it up and then it of drafting in the next great big player.
00:21:19
So how do you find a way to move the needle on that? You have to start to look around the league this summer and going into next season, find the teams that are ready for championship caliber runs and see if they're willing to give up something, whether it's a draft asset or a player, a young player that you think you can continue to build around.
00:21:37
You see the way the Pelicans rebooted themselves once they got that lottery and then sent a d two l A.
00:21:43
Now you start to think about looking around the league, and who could use a 30 30 31 year old Rudy Gobert to help them get over the hump.
00:21:51
That really needs a defensive stopper at that center position is specifically in the next two seasons toe win themselves a championship, grab some assets, move on down the road and unfortunately I think out of these three teams.
00:22:04
The worst case scenario right now is probably with the Utah Jazz, simply because the position that Jonathan Mitchell plays Tatum on a bio, they impact the game in different ways.
00:22:14
Their size at the respective positions, air going toe, have bigger impacts.
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And you can then afford to allocate smaller amounts of cap space to fill out the rest of us around if you need to.
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If you don't really have a Kemba Walker there in Boston, if you don't really have a veteran leader like Jimmy Butler in my So that's the concern right now, the veteran presence you have on the Utah Jazz is a guy that Donovan Mitchell doesn't like.
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And you have to wonder how Utah is going to try to stem this time now and make sure that they either stay competitive or get as much value out of every single player and just legitimately reboot this entire thing.
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That would be the risk reward that I don't think will ever take, and maybe one that they should be, considering that being said, everybody getting contracts, that's the bottom line.
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If this is what these players all push for prior to the return of the MBA.
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Like I said, I think it will be easy for every single team across the board to do this.
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In the short term, Jazz will be really strapped for cash, but they can certainly try to make moves with some of their roster to go along with it.
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And then, in the case of Miami and in Boston, I think you're just basically cementing for the future.
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The curiosity will be How do they try to structure that Max deal? Knowing what could happen with the N B A and the Cap Room Will Tatum and on a bio take semi Max contracts right? Would Auto Bio be looking at a number slightly lesser than where Tatum is just because of track record? And Tatum is certainly in the league for a number of years and proven what he's capable of? Where you could say, I don't think so, But you could say, Is that a little bit of a flash for Auto Bio and you want to prove it before you give him that contract? I would think that if all three of these guys want those contracts out of bio could be pushed the easiest to come back and play and worry about it after, whereas if Tatum want to do it, he could say, I'm not gonna come down without the Max contract.
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I think from a character standpoint, he would go and play anyway.
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And I think Jonathan Mitchell very much would be one of those players that would consider sitting out. He said.
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A lot of times, right now, his biggest focus is getting that contract.
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So if it came down to it and Utah was unwilling to sign that prior to the resumption of the NBA's season, I think it Donovan Mitchell push back from the table and say, That's fine.
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I will not be going down to Orlando and risking my health prior to going into the biggest off season of my professional career.
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I, as always have been Adam arm wreck, a quick chat out once again The bubble boy.
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Players in line for contract extensions trying to convince NBPA, NBA that they sign prior to restart

One of the biggest concerns by a fair amount of NBA players right now is the increased risk of injury they will be subjecting themselves to once the bubble restarts, and how a potential injury will have an adverse effect on their contract negotiations in the upcoming offseason. According to reports, these players and their […]

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and welcome back once again to SportsCastr news.
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Where, as always I am Adam, are Brecht.
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And today we talk about obviously the return of the N b A.
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Coming up here next month at the end of July.
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But a lot of different things going on around the return.
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Some players were concerned about where the attention and the focus is going to be.
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Some players organizations teams are wondering about the health and the risks to the players and about the format.
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And is it equal? Is it fair? And who wants to be a part of it? And will the championship the legitimate? The other piece of it that we've heard some things about, though to is the idea that some of these young players that are in line for big contract extensions are looking at the idea of a couple of things leading into it.
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They'd already talked about insurance policies in case they suffer will be labeled as career ending injuries.
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The tricky part there is that you don't know what is career ending right? That would legitimately have to be something where you never play basketball again.
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But I think that some players are worried whether it's coming off of you coming into potential big deals or coming off this long layoff going all the way back to mid March, Are you going to be able to be in? Have you kept yourself in as good a shape as you possibly could have? Are you in N B a basketball shape right now? And are you worried about maybe tweaking something because your body is just off of this rhythm that you're normally in on a season to season basis in the N B A.
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Three big names that come to mind here are Donovan Mitchell of the Utah Jazz.
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Bam out a bio down there with the Miami Heat and then, of course, Tatum up there in Boston now, I mean, on the surface, I think that most of these the most of these are guys that you just going to say, obviously, cut those checks, and it's very easy to do that when it's not my check.
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But I wanted to just take a peek at each one of these situations and see if there's really any caveats that you might throw into the idea of giving the Max extension to all three of these players in the 1st 1 up, and I think of the easiest one that there is t kind of check the box on, and that's take him up in Boston.
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He was just starting to even take that next evolution of his game this season before the stoppage came.
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So this is the age the angel.
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The age makes sense, the pieces around and make sense in a lot of ways to write.
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Remember, you've got Gordon Hayward coming off the books this year.
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Now will he be back? That's a possibility.
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But I would think that more than likely the Boston Celtics might just try to retool that, right? Obviously, it didn't work out.
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You brought him in injuries, Setback Hayward.
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And now 29 years old.
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He'll be 30 next year.
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Ah, and you don't know Look like he was getting back into into form over the summer stage of the season.
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But just how does he fit in with the pieces when you brought him in? You didn't have Kemba Walker there yet.
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Now you have Kemba Walker, obviously.
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And now you have Tatum becoming more assertive there as well.
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Combined that with Jalen Brown combined with the already existence there off a Marcus Smart.
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You have a lot of nice pieces there, and then you start to think about.
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If you're the Boston Celtics, where might you want to improve a little bit? Certainly, the center position has some young talent there.
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But maybe you want to go out and get a defined piece toe, add into the center of this unit and move you from being that third or fourth seed in the Eastern Conference and get you up over top of the Toronto Raptors and in legitimate battle there with Johannes and the Bucks for the Eastern Conference over these next handful of season.
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So for all of those reasons, plus the talent skill set alone, I think that Tatum is a very easy player to cut that check.
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I don't think you'll see any hesitation from it.
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And the conversations that are happening are asking the question.
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Can they get thes Max extensions prior to the MBA resuming down in Orlando on July 30th? If this is the push, come to shove scenario in this in this particular instance with Tatum, I sign that check.
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I don't think twice about it.
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I love what I have in him, and I love when I'm building around him.
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So there's really no hesitation there.
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And just to briefly go over some of those other tap numbers that we talk about with the Boston Celtics.
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Remember, you got Campbell there for 32.
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Again, Hayward's going to sit there at 32 as well, and then you're paying smart 12 7 for Tatum right now, Almost a 1,000,000.
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And then after that, it's Jaylen Brown who's on that rookie deal so he could be coming up here eventually to.
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And that's what makes some of these numbers interesting in terms of the Gordon Hayward piece, if you want.
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If you're gonna sign, take it to the max.
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And then if you want to reward reward Jaylen Brown as well.
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Whatever that number ends up looking like you're gonna need to free up some other money elsewhere in order to do so and thes 27 of the center position again just to bring that home a power forward.
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But he's worked over there at times as well.
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Then you have cancer of the center position, both older, not over the hill, but in their late twenties, so certainly improving and just improving the skills of that position as well would be nice to do so.
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Those are some of the things that Boston probably looks at beyond what Tatum is as a player, and says, Yeah, we can go ahead and sign off on that pretty quickly.
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Head down to Miami Now, when we think about the idea of Bam on a bio, a player that that really kind of came into his own this year in a lot of weights, right? Not as much on him.
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That was much notoriety around him, like a Tatum or the third player that we'll talk about in a minute in Donovan Mitchell.
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But you bring in Jimmy Butler.
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You have this combination now off being in the middle of the pack there in the Eastern Conference.
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Certainly, on the upper end of things you wonder about do don't is Pat Riley and Erik Spoelstra.
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The Miami Heat.
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Look it, this team, as it's currently constructed as being a championship caliber team, Or do they look at the Jimmy Butler move and some of the peace that they have? There's one that help stem the tide Miami Heat have been one of those franchises that when you look at them, it's really easy to always see how they make some little tweaks and little adjustments on a year to year basis on a on a who say, You know, ah, Group two group from a player standpoint to make sure that they're always competitive, they don't spend 3456 years out of the playoff picture rights.
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That's not something that Pat Riley's gonna deal with.
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And also Erik Spoelstra has proven to be a quality coach that's adaptable when you think about bringing in a new cast of characters and being able to hold your system and then use some of those skill sets to the best of their ability.
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We get inside the payroll here for a minute because I do want to take a look.
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So you got Jimmy Butler on the books through 2023 will be making 37 a half $1,000,000.
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Ah, beyond him, though, however you've got drug it, he's gonna come off the books here after this season, So that's 20 million that you're gonna have out there just just north of 19 million really? So that's going to give you a little bit of space there.
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Andre Iguodala, at 36 years old right now on the books through 2022 where he make 15 million, wouldn't be surprised if it at the best.
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He's on this roster next season, but I wouldn't see him there the following year.
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But still you have to count for that.
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15 million you're gonna have Ah, Kelly Olynyk.
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I would expect maybe that he is a body that could be moved if you wanted to.
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So this is what we talk about.
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The roster is currently is currently constructed is a stem the tide roster.
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But if you were, if you were to move on from drug it and move on from Kelly Olynyk, they combine there for $30 million.
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So now you're already starting to open up some some more cap room to bring in some free agents.
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We would have this conversation the other day about who are other guys that are out there that maybe the Miami Heat would love to get down.
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It was that wild speculation about the Yonas Victor Oladipo, not speculation.
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Just the fun, the fun conversation right.
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But Victor Oladipo might be someone that legitimately you could attract down to Miami because it is a little bit of unrest there in ah, in Indy.
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And he wants that Max contract that Pays had offered him.
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I think of four for 80 million.
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So he feels like there's just this big gap there between who he is as a player and what the Pacers are willing to pay him.
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So now, all the sudden, if you need to open up some cap room to create space for a player like all the Depo, that again shifts this Miami Heat team up another level once more.
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Beyond that, though, there's really not a ton of money on the books beyond this upcoming season.
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You know Meyers Leonard, a 28 making 11 million, and then you have to go pretty far down before you get to Auto Bio, whose only making 3.
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5 this year five million next year on a 22 years old, now a 22.
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There's so much upside still for him to develop in his game, it once again does feel like a closer to easy than difficult choice to sign him to in the Vax.
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And there's a number of reasons why you could be excited about that, too, right? You know, you talk about what he did here this past season.
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65 games at gave you 16 and 10.
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So a double double obviously did a lot of that good work on the interior.
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We've highlighted him from that rapture reading standpoint, which will try to pull up.
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Here is well, because when you think about where he waas in the league as a 22 year old already establishing himself as a viable weapon year, we'll get inside these numbers real quick to see if we can just lock it up for you.
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Oughta Bile.
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There is so on the defensive end.
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Let's talk about it.
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Defense advantage of plus two.
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He's a minus half on the offensive end, so 11.
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5 nothing to write home about, necessarily, but still trending in the right direction and giving you obviously strong defensive presence.
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The wins above replacement is another good number to look at with him because it is at 4.
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8, and if you think about the fact that he's just 22 years old and sits there as the 31st overall in terms of wins above replacement, the war as we always talk about.
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So that's a big number there to thank you to above a book for throwing out some popcorn.
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Little midday snack never hurt anybody.
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So that's the issue, though, right? Um, not the issue.
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But that's the caveat, their 31st overall in wins above replacement as a 22 year old center.
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So if you need to be to continue to develop his game, it's certainly going to be a peace that he can probably look at and say, Yes, we can build around him after having shipped off some other bad assets that had they've been dealing with that center position in recent memory.
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The other benefit for them is from a cap standpoint, they have the space to do so.
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So signing him to a Max deal, knowing that in the world worst case quote unquote scenario in a couple more years, you're going tohave.
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Butler's contract come off the books if you chose to, and they're still give you plenty of room to work with the thing with any of these deals.
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Ah, and I don't think Boston's gonna worry about it.
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Maybe the Heat would.
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Considering any of these.
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Any team on the MBA is.
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What is the Cap Saudi Capital look like Next year, right? Howard team's going to be affected based on past contracts and then where the salary cap ends up.
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If it's going to take a hit and come down a little bit, there's gonna be a lot of teams as a Nets fan and commentator.
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They're going to be in the luxury tax already, But it's going to even steeper of a hit for the owner.
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They're in Josephs.
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I had to deep into dip into his pockets to make sure that he covers those extra penalties that you're gonna take from the leak.
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So those are factors, but Miami is in a really strong position to be able to get through this, pay a young player like this, continue to start to then slowly build around him as some of the older talent phases itself Out down there in Miami, the final piece that we talk about So we've already given to check marks here for Tatum and for Adam Bio.
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The only scenario, I would say is if you are the Miami Heat and you theoretically think that what you're looking at is, ah, player like I am on a bio as a valuable piece.
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But that will never be the centerpiece for your team and that I'm not not saying one way or the other.
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But if he isn't from Pat Riley's perspective, from, you know, from Spoelstra's perspective, the idea of as we get into the Utah Jazz here if Rudy Gobert needs to be moved, what is the value that you get of a Rudy Gobert on the Miami Heat with Jimmy Butler rate now, as opposed to what on a bio will be right now and versus what he will be for you a handful of years from now? I think.
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And I talked about this with Matt Brooks on here the other day.
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I think that probably you're talking about Gold Bear having another couple of really strong years before things start to fall off for him.
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We know how elite he is defensively, if you can.
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If that's enough for you, number one in the Rapture rating as Faras defensive efficiency s so far this season, then you can hang your hat on that and maybe that trade off is worth it.
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And maybe that's the kind of player sign and trade that the Miami Heat would be willing to part with.
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The Utah Jazz will be excited to get a younger player, a young center, that side by side with Donovan Mitchell in terms off, not just salary and, you know, in the contract.
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But in age so now they're going to develop together because they were talking about this idea of how Gobert and Mitchell might be the you know, the new, the new stock in him alone, right? Be 67 years apart.
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So at some point, Goldberger's garden going to start to fade away, his skill sets going, start to diminish and you're gonna end up with an age Gobert and then a Donovan Mitchell just entering his prime.
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Where is making a move? If you get in on a bio, obviously or player of that, like would be a really big move for the Utah Jazz to have sustainability around Mitchell Going forward with that, though, we move into finally, the Donovan Mitchell piece of this and the Utah Jazz are an interesting spot, really.
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you know, But one thing that I'll say is that when you talk about guard positions, you know he's been a little bit up and down a Z faras his career goes that you could start there with Jonathan Mitchell.
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I just don't know how as the Utah Jazz, you could afford not to pay him.
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You know, when you're in quote unquote, the smaller market teams, you're gonna have difficulty attracting, attracting some of those big names when it comes to free agency.
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That's why if you're gonna pull something off often times, you have to think about it from the sign and trade perspective like we're talking about with an auto by.
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Or maybe you could even think about, Ah, the young player at their Christian would in the Detroit Pistons, right? Another young player? Well, maybe there's a sign and trade opportunity there that you get this this this young talent to your team.
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Pair him with a young player who also is very skilled.
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And then is that relationship grows.
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You get commitment for them to want to stay there.
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We've seen it around the league.
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Guys like Damian Lillard.
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We saw rest Westbrook try to stay there in O K.
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C. For a number of years.
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You know, players want to do it, or at least on the surface.
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They said they want to appeal.
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Is saying this now that in Washington, but 10 you realistically maintain these players on their contract in man's and the success of the team, and it's always harder when the team isn't doing well.
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So when you look at now the Utah Jazz, you realized you're talking about a team that hasn't success that hasn't had, you know that is having a pretty good run right now.
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Here's the problem You brought in the player like my Connolly accounts for 32 million.
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You got gold bear making 24.
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Right now you've got Bogdanovich of 30 years old, making 17 million.
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You've got Jordan Clarkson making 13 Joe angles, making nearly $12 million as well.
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Top end of this roster.
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Those names I just listed there 31 27 30 27 31.
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Not a young unit here.
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Donovan Mitchell making just 3.
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5 1,000,000 in just 23 years old at the guard position.
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This is the interesting piece to that.
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I talked about with with with a few people.
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With that Brooks.
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I talked about it with Doug Gloria's.
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Well, guards are a somewhat replenish a ble commodity.
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You know, when we talk about the Brooklyn Nets and what they chose to do even before knowing for sure that they were gonna be able to pursue Kyrie Irving when you like when you send off D'Angelo Russell, that ends up coming to trade for Kevin Durant.
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But the idea was they weren't going to give him a Max contract for all of the value that he showed you on the court for all the the big A couple of big shots that he hit, you know, the consistency, some offensive explosion. Fantastic.
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But when you took us that back from it, what was the real impact at all right, you made the playoffs, but you weren't going to make a deep playoff run with DeAngelo Russell necessarily.
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And we've seen him rotate through a couple of stops.
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Maybe he's found his home now in Minnesota, but you see how he's looked at.
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It's just kind of this rotational cap piece in a lot of ways that teams are willing to throw in as a part of a deal to make other moves that they want to have happen in the background.
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Now.
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I'm not saying that that the Donovan Mitchell and D'Angelo Russell on the same level, but the concern that you have to think about in some ways is as we talk about his rapture rating is what? What is he ultimately giving you on the court, plus 2.
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5 on the offense event? It's a nice number.
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Negative 2.3 on the defense's side.
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This is something that Matt Brooks spoke to about how you're supposed to have a bit more defensive prowess and whether or not, as we've seen, sometimes Well, because you have a go bare there.
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Maybe because that relationship, the communication, whatever the case may be, he's gotten a little more lax on that end of the floor.
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So then you talk about coming out there with the overall just barely, barely on the positive side of things.
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A 0.
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2 for that rapture rating, which, but now the interesting number that is worth throwing out in spite of that is the 3.
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3 war that he gives you so He is, of course, impacting the game in that way.
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But much like we just listed Ban Maada Bio there.
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That's good for 71st in the league for Donovan Mitchell.
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So how do you about how do you balance this? And again, if you're a small market team like the Utah Jazz, how do you balance giving a max contract to a player like Donovan Mitchell? And not necessarily knowing or may or may be knowing in the back of your mind that that this may not lead to deep playoff runs like we want the fan base will brutalizing if you don't sign it because fans are reactionary that way.
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You want this talent union? He is talented.
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But once you lock into that money and again with the way things were gonna look, the C B A is coming up.
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We know there's given impact from Cove it and the layoff on a league and on the money and what the new cap room looks like.
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So how much are you going to end up locking yourself into a very difficult situation? Potentially where one of two things it'll be hard to have extra money to bring another talent and that and then let alone attracting it and order.
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You end up just riding out a big contract and for small market teams, sometimes is important to sacrifice that and know that you have this star there to make sure that you keep bringing fans back in.
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But if I'm the Utah Jazz and this is something that note very rarely, you're gonna see a team do this.
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But I would wonder, Where is your best value? Are you going to get the most value out of Donovan Mitchell on a Max contract? They will undoubtedly sign it if that's what he wants to do before the NBA's resumes.
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They'll undoubtedly trade Rudy Gobert before they would ever consider the idea of moving Mitchell.
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Because Gold Bears older because he plays ah position and plays a position in a way that is diminishing in this league over the last handful of years.
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You know that defensive first style doesn't have a ton of perimeter shooting to his game.
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These are all the questions that have to be asked from the Utah Jazz perspective.
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The last thing that will take a look at here, too, is the Utah Jazz and their contracts right now, because we already highlighted some of those bigger numbers that are going to be on the books here.
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Let's assume is, well, that any of the conversations around this idea that they're going to move on from, ah, from Rudy Gobert Let's just assume that he's going to be there long term.
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This is not something that is simply going to get taken care of my movies, by the way, that number that we threw out there, which was what you're talking about.
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2024 a half.
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25 million In a number that obviously is going to go up Well, you know, that's gonna be tricky.
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So as we see here, Rudy Gobert making that 25 million this year next year, 26 a half 1,000,000.
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That's the last year of his contract.
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So that's the other impetus for the Jazz to consider making a move like that another guy would be.
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Bogdanovich will be 31 17 18 19 19.
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5 1,000,000 all the way out to 2023.
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That's a number that you probably think about moving because again, I don't think that he's giving you necessarily.
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The impact based on what you're allocating for him under the cap is, well, a guy like Joe Ingles.
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He's probably someone at 30 to listen at the end of 2021 22 seasons.
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Gonna make 14 million.
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You can probably live with that a lot of ways, and he's been there a long time.
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He is very much tied to that franchise on has not been out of the disruption like Regal Bear has recently, so you probably can live with him.
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Beyond that, the only other one is gonna be Royce O Neill currently has a deal that takes him all the way to 2023 24 season making just under 10 million but nevertheless still a number that you're gonna have to work with.
00:20:48
Beyond that, those are older numbers you really have to worry about.
00:20:52
Mike Conley comes off after next season as well.
00:20:54
So you have Conley and go bare both coming off the books before you have to pay a Donovan Mitchell.
00:21:00
And again, the question you have to ask is if I just have Donovan Mitchell here, and if we are always a good enough team, to be in and around that playoff conversation to be the 6th 5th 6th 7th seed in the Western Conference.
00:21:13
We're never going to get into the lottery to maybe mix it up and then it of drafting in the next great big player.
00:21:19
So how do you find a way to move the needle on that? You have to start to look around the league this summer and going into next season, find the teams that are ready for championship caliber runs and see if they're willing to give up something, whether it's a draft asset or a player, a young player that you think you can continue to build around.
00:21:37
You see the way the Pelicans rebooted themselves once they got that lottery and then sent a d two l A.
00:21:43
Now you start to think about looking around the league, and who could use a 30 30 31 year old Rudy Gobert to help them get over the hump.
00:21:51
That really needs a defensive stopper at that center position is specifically in the next two seasons toe win themselves a championship, grab some assets, move on down the road and unfortunately I think out of these three teams.
00:22:04
The worst case scenario right now is probably with the Utah Jazz, simply because the position that Jonathan Mitchell plays Tatum on a bio, they impact the game in different ways.
00:22:14
Their size at the respective positions, air going toe, have bigger impacts.
00:22:18
And you can then afford to allocate smaller amounts of cap space to fill out the rest of us around if you need to.
00:22:24
If you don't really have a Kemba Walker there in Boston, if you don't really have a veteran leader like Jimmy Butler in my So that's the concern right now, the veteran presence you have on the Utah Jazz is a guy that Donovan Mitchell doesn't like.
00:22:36
And you have to wonder how Utah is going to try to stem this time now and make sure that they either stay competitive or get as much value out of every single player and just legitimately reboot this entire thing.
00:22:49
That would be the risk reward that I don't think will ever take, and maybe one that they should be, considering that being said, everybody getting contracts, that's the bottom line.
00:22:59
If this is what these players all push for prior to the return of the MBA.
00:23:03
Like I said, I think it will be easy for every single team across the board to do this.
00:23:07
In the short term, Jazz will be really strapped for cash, but they can certainly try to make moves with some of their roster to go along with it.
00:23:13
And then, in the case of Miami and in Boston, I think you're just basically cementing for the future.
00:23:18
The curiosity will be How do they try to structure that Max deal? Knowing what could happen with the N B A and the Cap Room Will Tatum and on a bio take semi Max contracts right? Would Auto Bio be looking at a number slightly lesser than where Tatum is just because of track record? And Tatum is certainly in the league for a number of years and proven what he's capable of? Where you could say, I don't think so, But you could say, Is that a little bit of a flash for Auto Bio and you want to prove it before you give him that contract? I would think that if all three of these guys want those contracts out of bio could be pushed the easiest to come back and play and worry about it after, whereas if Tatum want to do it, he could say, I'm not gonna come down without the Max contract.
00:24:01
I think from a character standpoint, he would go and play anyway.
00:24:04
And I think Jonathan Mitchell very much would be one of those players that would consider sitting out. He said.
00:24:10
A lot of times, right now, his biggest focus is getting that contract.
00:24:13
So if it came down to it and Utah was unwilling to sign that prior to the resumption of the NBA's season, I think it Donovan Mitchell push back from the table and say, That's fine.
00:24:22
I will not be going down to Orlando and risking my health prior to going into the biggest off season of my professional career.
00:24:30
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