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Yes, I sent and accepted the invite for both er, accent airplane.
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But there's camp. Cool.
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What's up, guys? Not much, Eric.
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Moment of truth.
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Well, the truth.
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I can area It's a little staticky, but it's it's workable.
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Okay, it's better than normal.
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So I wouldn't I wouldn't complain early, so it looks That's true.
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But, I mean, I think that's kind of just we're all kind of figured this out as we go along.
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So I don't think there's anything really wrong with that, right? So, yeah, I mean, I think I figured we were gonna end up just talking about everything that kind of happened since we last. That a podcast.
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That's kind of Well, there's a lot going on.
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It kind of limits the different topics that we have.
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But ah, enough happened with the call on Friday and stuff like that factory talk about.
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So, um, is that kind of where you guys want to start? Okay, so I know.
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Ah.
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Camp said earlier that he kind of needed to be updated on everything that happened.
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So the gist of it is is you know, they had a call on Friday and they said there was between depending on who? You, whose report you believe between 80 and 200 players on that call and then another was another call today that has, like, 40 players.
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And, uh, but it's not just kind read.
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Ah, they said the other person is mostly vocal about things was, um, Avery Bradley on The big thing is that they just want to see if they can weigh all their options.
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I know that.
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Ah, some people initially thought it was just about the pandemic.
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It's not just that they're worried about the state of the bubble bringing people in family wise.
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Um, it looks, it's safety.
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It's they don't want to take any focus away from everything that's kind of going on right now.
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And, um, Tyree's big thing that he's laid out since then are not screen trying some of it.
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So we can kind of go over his quotes if you really want to.
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But I was that, um his role is He's one of the higher up executives and the Players Association.
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So he's not necessary, even just speaking up for himself, because he said that he was on the initial call and everything like that where they voted to bring the league back.
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He is hearing what some of the people that below him that do not have the voice that he has has said.
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He said He doesn't really Mr to feel like coming back, and I whatever.
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We can discuss that, too.
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But he knows that there's people that don't feel like they have the power to speak out because they're not one of the upper whatever players in the league there, a lower tier player, and they can't necessarily afford to voice this.
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So he's kind of saying that he's trying to bring voice to that as well.
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Um, while also getting into some of the stances.
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So kind, a unique kind of have disagreed about this a little bit.
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So have you.
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Have you thought about it? All of it? What? What? What are your thoughts? Uh, just a general, always speaking physically in the car, starting general way, we could get into a call, but, like, it's kind of lay the groundwork first.
00:02:56
Okay, Yeah, I mean, it's a huge discussion, not just in India, but look, a baseball is struggling to do anything.
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You look at the WNBA's just supposed accepted.
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There was 22 games.
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Their season certainly takes another one.
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And look at where the MBA waas and where it is now work to the point where we're already through a full offseason, right? So right now, this time time off, we be starting next season out of the same time, obviously, but you get what I'm trying to say is that now it's been that hiatus something on the lawsuit and start getting training.
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Cancer started, but we've been the Olympics for the time loss.
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Is this normally so? Look past that.
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What justice to the cities.
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You re imagine spirit of this deal.
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It's like why I love people.
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Yeah, might be advocating for other people, but at the same time you look at the top to bottom, where the pain scale is in some of the questions, things that you set up a phone call that he was quoted in saying it.
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There's a lot of inconsistencies for it for me to directly believe that's his best centrists at heart, and, you know, you can say what he's speaking up for.
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Others, like that one is on the same page, and then you see quotes to come out afterwards, and he doesn't have supporters.
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But he's made enemies from it and made enemies from saying and doing other things on his previous teams.
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With his and a portion of the Cavs in your all of Boston now with Brooklyn, this some prior issues with him.
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Do you? The standpoints, you says.
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And it comes from on any topics.
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But this isn't just anything about bubble.
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Anything about social injustice, that product platform, any of that.
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It's just all the ties together and that you see through some instability jump and I just I just It's difficult for me to believe when his team is in a position to really do anything, especially with Kevin Durant not plan.
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Um, and I still think it's easier.
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Better side of the Nets are a top four team.
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It is really hard for you to sit there and say that you wouldn't have any semblance of interest in playing.
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I just It's just hard for me to think that used.
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That's what he's looking at is nothing new game, which it does to an extent because there are guys that are free agents next year.
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There, guys that you might not be had a team.
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You have 60 draftees coming in, plus undrafted free agents that are gonna take roster spots, guys, they're gonna add up to retire.
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Vince Carter's probably done.
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You look at some of these other guys that are probably gone and all of its because the wave comes in and that's what.
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And that's unfortunate because a lot of these guys that are going to get good teams from across they don't have the chance of more because it's Cesena's, presuming they can't dislike their value and the worth and things have changed since.
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March is a big deal.
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So I mean, that's just where I stand.
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I don't know.
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I'm before only social injustice, all the protests, and that's that's great.
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But it's what would you rather used his platform, where all the attentions with your baseball is not happen? You have.
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You have the WNBA's.
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But football's not happened yet.
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That's the opportunity to really convey on a different platform where people are kind of sick of seeing all the news reports of riots were sick of that.
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You can see this other platform where they could still peacefully.
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Advocates of this stuff for him.
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I think that's a really good opportunity for that on, especially when all eyes around them and there's no one that's gonna be there in person.
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You can have the national audience at a much higher rate because, yeah, there's a regular season games for each of his team's.
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But most of it, it's probably be TNT or ESPN.
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So, yeah, that was kind of my thing.
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I want to hear more from other players and get Dwight Howard and Avery Bradley that you mentioned.
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Yeah, but again, LeBron wasn't on this call.
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So it's That's a huge point for me.
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Even if you disagree is the fact that is out of this call.
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It's like That's, I don't know.
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It's sort of heard from unit, and I'm pretty sure there in such a good position to play and to compete for a championship.
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And I think that's definitely going away.
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And he said, We criticizing my one.
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It's either you selfish for playing for the Uh huh.
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He's like a baby.
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He doesn't want to play or something like that.
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I mean, there's forgetting what? I was trying to stay here, but, um, that's that's kind of where I would just not having a brown that call and you've kindly took nine days to really speak up.
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I don't know why you have the opportunity to say that right away you solidify everything and then a week later I need to get my players together and we need to have a separate conversation where all of a sudden there is all this disconnect without a Mitchell now quoting that leaked report thing again, it's just a lot of stuff intertwined with this.
00:07:35
So it's it's time interested to see how it unfolds.
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But, you know, we're six weeks away from hopefully resuming.
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This is just gonna limit.
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So I think that just to give before I before I let you talk to him, I just want to say it like time to explain a little bit more.
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I think that if you look at it taking nine days, that kind of lends some credence to the fact that maybe he was listening to the players under him in his role as executive vice president of the Players Association.
00:08:02
Um, I know LeBron has historically not been extremely active in the players association.
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That's been more like a Chris Paul type thing.
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So and LeBron soon leather activism stuff and he has more of a pulpit to do that.
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I mean, say what? You will understand all these other guys, their stars, But you don't see other people like doing this.
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This voter suppression thing like LeBron is because he has such a bigger stage that he's able to do that.
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Not all of these guys have that power like Jalen Brown's out here getting arrested at protests.
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And most people unless you're a die hard MBA thin.
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Don't even know that because you don't know who like I mean, Hey, just doesn't get the stage like that.
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So, um, I I think there's a number of reasons why LeBron isn't on the call it.
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I don't necessarily think it's just because he doesn't agree.
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I mean, him and Kyrie have a very fractured relationship.
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Everybody knows that So wouldn't be very surprising to me if he doesn't want to join in on something Kyrie Irving is doing.
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But he obviously does think that they need to stand for something, given what he's doing with the with everything with voter suppression and things like that.
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But I'm not even necessary, saying you're wrong because I do think that Kyrie is an imperfect messenger.
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But he's also doing his job with the Players Association when he is bringing up some of these concerns.
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He is.
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And the one thing I'll leave you with before Campbell on your it's Yeah, it's just a matter of some of the quotes to come out with what he what? He says that it's a little bit off from what the whole point of the discussion is, where it's like there's only 20 of us that are getting paid, you know, this is this is a tiered system against us, and that's not at all what it is.
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Everyone the based 15th player on Memphis or the 15th player on one of the bottom seems 17 to 22.
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That's they're making 900,000 or something around there.
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2.
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5 is the veteran minimum you have, Yeah, Minnesota, too.
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I mean, there, you know there's guys that this won't see this type of exposure, this type of contract because a lot of these guys are contract years.
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I mean, every season we go through and say this might be the last year.
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For this person, this might be the last year or the last contract opportunity for these guys that are entering their thirties and Kevin Durant's part of this.
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I mean, he's he's getting 32 in September and we talked about this during last episode.
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It's convinces X audio Port nest.
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I don't know what it is if it's if it's Dad, tell me if it's better or worse than it was because I don't know.
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I actually think it's getting better.
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Okay, well, I didn't buy my, uh, the thing I ordered exposed to coming in this week.
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So maybe that I thought already came in.
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Look, this is a little out of the four or five cents I tried last time, and apparently it's my laptop.
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It has to be.
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I don't know what it is, but back what I'm saying.
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It's got you know, Brooklyn has that unique opportunity where there's touted as one of the top teams next season.
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We're past this season being that it's normal and the point.
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So we're already in the next season if you want.
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Look at it that way.
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And Kevin Durant spinoff 13 14 months.
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Yeah, I told.
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I brought up the point you in March, how he was seen five on five Duncan on people and might not have had access to doing those workouts.
00:11:01
But at the same time, you kind of look it.
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It's not a very egregious level of play that they're going to be doing played games, and then it's sudden death at that point.
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So it's not a full season.
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It's not.
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In 82 games, it's not half of that.
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It's probably 20 on average and probably less than that, for most of those teams play eight games, half the fields gone at that point after the extra for or maybe five or six.
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Or if they do best seven.
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That's kind of where there are, you know? I mean, that's it's unfortunate because you'd like to see them at that Max level and see what their potential is for the next 23 seasons.
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It just we're not going to see it.
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That's unfortunate and I think we just need to hear more people that are in this middle tier.
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I'm not saying just clued anybody that's 14 to 22 and most teams, but you need to hear from those guys because the consensus is there 80%.
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I would on average, probably want to play.
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Um, because all these intimate, Then there's another big one.
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They think they can compete for a championship.
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Um, Denver's another one.
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You look a out East Toronto, Miami, Boston, Philly.
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I mean, they're all plenty candidates that are.
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I think they have an equal shot at it and they can still use.
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This is a huge platform for themselves, and yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of one minute.
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It's just it's difficult to really break down everything because we don't have all the facts.
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But from what I've seen, some of the existence is weak.
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I read is just not consist enough for me to believe, truly that that's what his best interest is.
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An end.
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Can you kind of listen to us talk for a little bit? So why don't What do you think about everything? Yeah, um, this probably isn't the right answer or the answer that anyone wants to hear, but I'm really on the fence about everything.
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Like I'm so in between.
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Like because I as a basketball fan, regardless of my fandom, like we were talking about this in that Skype call Corey.
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Uh, regardless of my fandom.
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I love basketball like I want to watch these guys play and compete for a championship, which is, you know, that's the end goal of this.
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And there's there's big obstacles to it, so and it's reasonable obstacles.
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It's not like anything stupid or unwarranted, like I I think, Eric, you're you're not wrong about Kyrie.
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I think there's there's some underlying things there.
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But at the same time, um, most of the other guys who have voiced opinions on not playing have some riel like actual fears about playing and keeping their family safe and what? Not like I also the bubble that in perfect bubble thing is ridiculous to me.
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Like what? What are we doing that's like, That's Bush league stuff to me.
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If you're gonna have all these guys quarantined for, however long you got to keep the people who are like their with them, you got to keep them away from other people to you Can't let them, I believe.
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I know it sucks at that point.
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For the employees of Disney, it might be difficult for them, but at the same time like we're willing to put the MBA players through it.
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Yeah, right.
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It's the same thing.
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Um, but like I said, I'm really on the fence like I love to see the season come back.
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But if it does, it wouldn't shock me and I wouldn't be super upset.
00:14:25
Yeah, I I hear what you're saying.
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I think that's what that's one then we can talk about is we've got to talk about like how, um, what they're saying about the social justice, and I think that's obviously very important.
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But we covered that.
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So, like, I mean, obviously we haven't covered enough.
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You can ever cover it enough.
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But in terms of what we're talking about tonight and what they talked about on that call, that's not the only thing.
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Ah, that was an issue for them.
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And that's another thing, Eric.
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That kind of they have come out in the last week that there more information that comes out about what they need because they're gonna press release.
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I think four days after it was approved that they were to come back, they did impressively, saying that they weren't gonna require their employees to stay in the bubble.
00:15:02
Wow, it's not what it is separate from where the park is.
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And, like, obviously, guests and stuff are gonna be able to get into their If you're having a rotation of employees coming to work, they say they won't be in the room at the same time as the players.
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But they're still going into their rooms.
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They're still cleaning everything.
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It's especially in Florida, where I think it was what Thursday? Friday, Saturday had record spikes of the Corona virus.
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I understand that, like and I mean, we talked there for three months about how ridiculous Florida's being with all of this.
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They just haven't taken it seriously.
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And I understand where a lot of people are coming from where they're saying for people in their twenties and thirties who are in great health, that might not be arrest.
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But we are given that we don't know enough about the disease yet.
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It's been in the country for three months.
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We still don't know everything about this disease.
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We don't know how long you could be asymptomatic for sure.
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We don't know, like if a family members come in who you could give it to, Um, and This is another like, low tier playoff guy who's not even invited Cleveland's uninvited to this.
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But, um, we had, ah, Larry Nance say that if he was involved, he wouldn't want to go because he has an auto immune disease.
00:16:02
We don't know all of this about, I mean, obviously the team's dio, but we don't know this about the 14th 15th guy and all these teams and like that's something that affects them.
00:16:10
But if if they're in the position where you're talking about Eric, where they're like, I can't speak up, that I might be out of league next year because X rookie who comes in, they're gonna take my spot.
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So I'm just not gonna ruffle any feathers.
00:16:21
So that is one of the concerns.
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Again, there's no right answer here, and that's I think the biggest issue is and that's why there's a conversation right now.
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Is that obviously everybody wants the N b A back and I mean here, I'll just to give you some of the numbers.
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We've talked about the numbers before, but probably marks put it out today.
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Everything was today or yesterday or something about this is the money that's at stake if they don't play.
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Ah, there is 1.
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2 billion loss in player salary, which is 35% of their pack.
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Ah, the embassy would now have the leverage to tear down the C B A and re negotiate a new one, which we can get into that later about how awful that sounds.
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That the NBA's just gonna use that as a power play to and then two billion lost in league revenue.
00:17:04
So, um, it does.
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It is a very dicey situation.
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There's obviously money is very important.
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I mean, of course, we're dealing with 1,000,000 multi $1,000,000 salaries for basically everybody involved.
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And, um, it is something that absolutely consider.
00:17:19
But is it safe is, But it's been the biggest question the entire time, and I like kind of what the WNBA's doing a little bit better.
00:17:28
Obviously, they're bringing less teams or less people in overall, so it's not as much of a lot like in terms of like you needed somewhere bigger for the N B A.
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So it's what Disney World makes more sense.
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But the I N G.
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Academy sounds much safer than than what we're doing in Disney World, especially whenever you're considering locate where where Disney World is and the fluctuation of bringing people in and out.
00:17:50
And then you mentioned about how it's basically been offseason, so people come back.
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It would be what it is.
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That's one of what Donovan Mitchell said was the biggest.
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And this is actually quite this.
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Is nobody criticized bleacher report about Ah, this is in Watches article today, where he said that one thing.
00:18:04
He's really worried about it, even though we've been off for three months, It's not like we're having our normal basketball activities over the summer where we're able to stay in shape and work out and everything like that, even if you have a gym coming back.
00:18:16
And all these players who are not in peak shape because they haven't been able to practice having all these injury concerns, and that is something to be worried about because there's a lot of guys that aren't ableto, whether whether it be that they're not taking it seriously or even if you're not able to get into a practice facility or not to keep yourself in tip top shape is something to really be worried about.
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and know yet for sure.
00:18:36
And I mean, I talked about Yonas.
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He doesn't have open his house.
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Yeah, that's that's a big problem.
00:18:41
But I'm hoping that they figured that out by now and that he had some to shoot around with at least nearby your outside.
00:18:47
Um, but I mean, it's It's just a huge thing where they are trying to do some sort of training camp where it's on the exact details of it.
00:18:55
But it's like 2 to 3 weeks.
00:18:56
I think of practicing scrimmaging, Inter squad scrimmage and kind of like the normal crew season that you'd see and they're allowing bring extra guys.
00:19:05
I think that mostly will mean the two way players will come along because they only they're not eligible for the playoffs.
00:19:10
Yeah, so next it'd 17.
00:19:13
It gives Jamal Crawford Jr Smith those guys played all season.
00:19:17
He's not my guy.
00:19:18
I just think somebody could use somebody to be able to use them, whether it's mentorship or playing 12 minutes a game.
00:19:25
You know, Vince Carter, you could say Vince Carter doesn't deserve a job because he's on Atlanta.
00:19:29
They're nowhere.
00:19:31
I understand.
00:19:32
Yeah, that's more so in appreciation of what he can teach to these guys and not necessarily his production on the floor is important and think that is huge.
00:19:42
I mean, you got they, uh, has Lamu doneness as them on Miami.
00:19:46
You've been there 15 guy for how many years now, and he's barely cracked any sort of rotational minutes, so you could argue he doesn't deserve to be in the league, either.
00:19:55
So, I mean, that's it's just a huge part of these veterans that again, this is probably the last opportunity.
00:20:00
Or for very few, maybe next year's of last opportunity.
00:20:03
Two years, whatever.
00:20:05
Now there's just the slats disappear without, like Jason Terry, for example, he wanted to play his 20th season than the Bucks just didn't resign him, and that was it.
00:20:13
There was no reform, no, and I wanted him come back because I thought his veteran leadership was incredibly valuable, almost invaluable, because that's how much it meant to guys like you, honest and guys like, you know, the connection you had previously with Coach Kid.
00:20:26
I think that worked out well for what it was.
00:20:28
Um, yeah, no, it's It's the 1.
00:20:31
2 billion that's just the face value me.
00:20:34
There's so many deeper ramifications later on for you know, let's say they do regard renegotiates CB.
00:20:41
And then there's a lot continue lose revenue.
00:20:42
That way you lose revenue and other aspects of it.
00:20:45
So the 1.
00:20:46
2 billion that is just the initial, probably that's the initial thing.
00:20:50
It's not like that's a projection of what you could lose if not just a number, right.
00:20:56
But I'm saying like it could continue on even further if if things just continue to go bad, but hopefully it won't hopefully go figure something out.
00:21:04
And I think, I mean, what are we supposed to know? Because it's getting closer, but they're true traveling, but I think they're supposed to start casting players in their local markets within the next week or so.
00:21:17
I know that They said there was supposed to be another call this week with the Players Association and like the n beside sometime this week, to kind of discuss everything because I mean what what? We've been focusing on Kyrie and then it's more players than that.
00:21:29
So since other people have voiced their concerns, that kind of loop, everybody in to see if they can assuage the concerns in some way because, I mean, say what you will about him being a perfect messenger, like there are concerns and like, he's not the only one concerned.
00:21:42
They want to talk about it because ultimately they do want these.
00:21:44
If these people gonna come down, they're gonna bring their families, the coaching staffs, all that stuff and, like, people have to be some at least somewhat comfortable.
00:21:52
And I wouldn't be surprised if some people say they don't want to go and then and then like, even if they were giving them the option to not go.
00:21:58
But then like you, like we all know that's going to be the story that's leaving.
00:22:02
Everything is this guy decided not to go.
00:22:04
And we've talked before record that public opinion shouldn't be what matters, but like if they become like not not that it might not be this extreme, but if they become like a pariah of some sort, because they're the one guy on the good team that decided not to go, that isn't nothing like I mean, yes, it's public opinion, but that's kind of thing that can stick with you.
00:22:19
I mean, look at how we treat really for how people treat Rubio bear because he touched the microphones when we don't even know if he's case zero.
00:22:25
But, like people are treating him like he infected the whole league and ruin basketball well, but that was just general stupidity.
00:22:31
It wasn't necessarily that matters.
00:22:32
I mean, if I put the team well, but you can consider a general stupidity of it's a personal decision vision, You know, you'd be a mockery of whatever is going on.
00:22:39
Like everyone else.
00:22:40
You have experience about it, and he wasn't so I mean, it was somewhat warranted.
00:22:44
Isn't necessarily why the envy was shut down.
00:22:46
No, but that that's what people don't like is when you have a guy of such a celebrity figure, Um, yeah, not taking it seriously being that role model, and then other people don't take it seriously.
00:22:57
And that's just, you know, it's That sucks from there.
00:23:00
So But I mean, just thinking in general for, um, guys going down there, and they are saying every other day testing, which makes sense because you could still contract the virus.
00:23:11
Um, well, even though you tested negative, so I mean, that's that's something that needs to happen.
00:23:15
I think in general, if we're keep saying in general, because that's a lot of what this is is a lot of different aspects intertwining with the entire issue of going on.
00:23:24
But for example, I coach boys volleyball, the varsity high school level and where it's a fall season, so the schools would come back.
00:23:32
We would start mid August.
00:23:34
They're local, but you know, compared to floor completed Arizona just you're populated and it's not as bad right now.
00:23:44
But you still need to have those precautions you need tohave testing readily available.
00:23:48
I don't know that they're trying to fear ways to have a regular school year start to the school year and regular sports because they cancel everything in the spring half while most of the winter was happened.
00:23:59
But you know, March came in, the tournament's didn't happen in the playoffs.
00:24:02
That happen, Um, and so they don't want that to continue on because it's it's nowhere near that experience that, you know, people Lovas athletes and, um, the kids were just bored.
00:24:13
Other minds doing that.
00:24:15
Um, but yeah, no, it's all kinds of crap and it's It's not going away any time soon.
00:24:24
Yeah, and I'll pick you back up.
00:24:25
What? You said, Eric, Like you said your volleyball coach, Schwab.
00:24:29
I just started this year coaching with a Division two football team, and I have no idea if we're gonna have a season.
00:24:36
Neither do my people above me like it's and for for those kinds of guys, it's This is I mean, this is straining away a little bit from nd a talk.
00:24:45
But like for those guys, it's they're losing a year in college football like that's sometimes that's all they get for their football career, and it's it's really sad to think about a lot of the seniors on the team murder.
00:24:59
You know, they've been really good players and they put a lot into it.
00:25:04
And then it's like your senior year just done before it starts.
00:25:08
Yeah, it's definitely definitely unprecedented, as everybody said, Yeah, I mean, and that's obviously all of this is while we three days kind of new ground because we don't know what.
00:25:24
That's one of the things that came up with, how they're going to get out of the C B.
00:25:27
A is because Ah, lot of the television contracts, Which why would you have a sense that this is something that one would have ever considered? But there's contract language in the TV stations can opt out of the seasons canceled like that's that's thrown in.
00:25:40
There is something that, well, that's never gonna happen, but let's have it in there just in place because the seasons finished 74 straight years.
00:25:46
But we the thing that even like a diehard fans don't even know about because like it's deep down there in the contract language.
00:25:55
But that's where a lot of like that's where a lot of the revenue that we were talking about losing comes from because the TV contract, the TV, uh, that we're can opt out of their contracts if this season's canceled.
00:26:04
So it's, I mean, it's definitely it's definitely a mess, I mean, and that's like while he that's one thing that even me, who is somebody also never like Kyrie.
00:26:15
Let's be honest, fair.
00:26:16
So I didn't like him, but like that's one thing that he actually got wrong is that he's not one of people that safe with this because it's not just like he could lose it if he doesn't come in play.
00:26:25
If they rip up the TV contracts.
00:26:27
Everything's kind of because, like a lot of their caught, like the contract negotiations with the teams are based on the basketball revenue that's coming in.
00:26:33
If those things were canceled, the CB is ripped up.
00:26:36
Their contracts aren't safe.
00:26:37
Like so.
00:26:39
It is definitely something that, like that, like that, like that might be why people say, LeBron selfish, just family.
00:26:44
Whenever he didn't speak out against this stuff in China the beginning of the season because he was protecting his money, that could be part of it again.
00:26:50
I mean, obviously, he doesn't want off the court for activism, but that could be some of it again.
00:26:53
And I'm just giggle LeBron standard you'll find.
00:26:56
But like he knows that, like if anybody in many of these players know that he knows exactly everything about what's going on there.
00:27:02
So it's not limited to LeBron.
00:27:06
I mean, just a 1000 which was different.
00:27:08
Lori and then, um, there was really nothing more.
00:27:12
After that.
00:27:13
They pulled everything, and you just I mean, yeah, there's closed door discussion on that for sure.
00:27:18
but there was.
00:27:20
I mean, there's nothing public.
00:27:21
There just wasn't No, especially like a lot of the people here that are typically activists like Steve.
00:27:26
Like it's not just LeBron.
00:27:27
Steve Kerr is looking him and pop right now are the most vocal people in all of sports.
00:27:33
And they didn't say anything about that either.
00:27:34
So I'm not blaming LeBron.
00:27:35
Trust me.
00:27:36
I'm just example of why you might not be speaking right now.
00:27:41
Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, I think that this is something the bar I would I mean, obviously where I'm gonna monitor it.
00:27:47
And me and Cam kind of got into this honors when we were just talking off the air yesterday.
00:27:50
It's just that I will freely admit that I'm more I'm generally more liberal and not in a political sense, but in the sense that I'm all for everything that's going on.
00:28:00
I was about about the protest.
00:28:02
I want all of this any kind of social justice reform we can get.
00:28:06
Right now, I am 100% for so I am a little become a little bit more sympathetic to Kyrie is the messenger.
00:28:11
I don't think that he's ever necessarily been perfect, but he's obviously not stupid.
00:28:16
Like he There are points that he's making the do make sense.
00:28:20
Are they all perfect? Absolutely not.
00:28:23
But no matter what, I'm gonna watch the basketball that comes back.
00:28:26
So I feel kind of hypocritical sitting here and criticizing it and maybe saying Do I think the season should come back because, like, if it comes back, I know I'm gonna watch.
00:28:34
So I feel weird criticizing it because, I mean, I've been nervous since the start way.
00:28:40
You could go back and check this like the stretch threes and stuff like that.
00:28:43
Back in March, when we talked about this, I was I was nervous about a season coming back in general, just because I mean, while, well, I like my feel good of the entertainment of watching stuff get played.
00:28:52
I'd rather it be in the best way possible.
00:28:56
So we'll see.
00:28:58
And like, the comment of that kind of is exactly I'm saying, like they say they have this this place where they can stand up to speak on things.
00:29:06
But I forget who it was.
00:29:07
I think Lou Williams that said that you say that this will distract from what's going on.
00:29:12
But if you're coming to a game or staying home and watching a game been going to the protest, it is distracting.
00:29:18
So we say that they'll let them speak out about it, and they've left them where, like shooting triple stuff in the past.
00:29:23
But when Kaepernick was kneeling during the anthem and they nixed that real quick, so until they actually let them be active, because during that time it was that's all that it once was.
00:29:33
That was what they focused on in SportsCenter.
00:29:35
That's what they focused on.
00:29:37
What I mean, it was good.
00:29:39
No, I'm just saying What I mean is that the FDA came out said they weren't allowed to do it and they would have to find some up, some other way to protest.
00:29:46
Yeah, you're right.
00:29:47
So, yeah, I glossed over really quickly, but you're 100% right.
00:29:51
That is the focus was absolutely on it.
00:29:53
Yeah, I mean, I was exposure part of it, and I think that's again, a huge thing of where people are it.
00:30:00
Make sure it's distracting directly, but for how many weeks this will go on, people will start to just the whole general perspective of a will become tired of seeing the same thing.
00:30:13
So too, have the same, um, type of energy with a different sort of platform where everyone's watching and yeah, that might be there for the game.
00:30:21
But if there's a way that they could do this with interviews with, especially at the local level, I mean the regional, you have those just really intimate interviews with players before the game after the game.
00:30:33
Pro press conference, whatever.
00:30:34
Whatever the media is allowed to do, I don't know yet, Um, but because you know, they might have to keep their distance.
00:30:40
I watched up.
00:30:41
I was like, It's bowling.
00:30:42
It was this really weird bowling thing on Fox where they had, you know, they had two guys.
00:30:45
Bowling is like a race to give May strikes as you could and three lanes.
00:30:48
And then they had the interview.
00:30:50
But the microphones were separate.
00:30:51
They had an attachment.
00:30:53
Um, and the reporter was there, but she was keeping her distance, and that's probably we're going to see no.
00:30:59
Whenever the re are able to resume, whether it's local or national level to, I mean, that's That's definitely something that it'll look weird.
00:31:06
Trust me, if you haven't seen that bowling thing, your doll? No, it was very odd.
00:31:12
I mean, it was just she had a microphone, but she didn't do this.
00:31:15
Like you said, you can't do you think it was? You know there's Zachary.
00:31:19
I'll say that.
00:31:20
But I mean, that's That's the new norm that we're gonna have to use to at this point.
00:31:23
So and the Korean Baseball League putting like stuffed animals in the crowd.
00:31:29
I saw a picture of that and I was pretty like, not in a bad way.
00:31:33
But I was like, floored like it was Jari on.
00:31:35
There were maybe two K audio.
00:31:39
Yeah, for how trash that you Honestly, I'd rather hear the players.
00:31:42
You know, there's PG 13 and R R rated stuff, but that would be entertaining because Melo gets his way through that.
00:31:49
Anyway, he gets his way into the cameras and into the audio.
00:31:53
Probably a few other players.
00:31:54
But, um, yeah, that's something I wish you know if there was, You know, if there was a different broadcast, you could watch where this is heart rated and just to hear what they're saying, and I'd be kind of like what they did for the last dance were like it was on ESPN, and that was like the mature one.
00:32:08
And on ESPN two.
00:32:10
Yeah, we would have to watch out of six years games.
00:32:12
I was going back and looking at some of the stuff from the indeed call towns fight this year.
00:32:16
And I was just like, Oh, that could be interesting, like Doug not to bring that up can.
00:32:21
And it's a sore subject for you.
00:32:23
But I mean, would you have liked to hear that? Yes, I I would love to see what and being what it beats said.
00:32:29
Because, you know, he's kind of a jerk, and that's, uh and they always have something to say.
00:32:36
It is better than everybody else to like.
00:32:38
He's he's established himself as a winner.
00:32:40
He's better.
00:32:41
That's just that has more skill than you may have been.
00:32:45
70. Just you win first.
00:32:49
Yeah, way conducted more about the sixties that another day.
00:32:53
Obviously, God knows who they'll even be, but we don't know who will even be bashed up with At this point.
00:32:57
I just It's I was doing research about something and I saw that I was like, Ooh, I could mention out the camp tonight.
00:33:02
Really appreciate that.
00:33:03
I can't I can't mess with you about Wiggins anymore.
00:33:05
So I gotta find something the But the biggest thing I'm interested in is the 22nd next Monday when they are allowed to.
00:33:15
It's like the free agent period or whatever There, that'll be interesting.
00:33:20
Yeah, So I mean, there's there's plenty of open Ross response and even they were talking about those eight teams that aren't part of this to do something a little bit different with many camps or I don't know what it was, but it's something like that.
00:33:32
From what I remember, Um, you guys don't talk about It's like, uh, I know that they mentioned something and I only know this because it was They paired the Pistons and the Cavs together, I think, basically, because a location or whatever, but I know they had talked about maybe holding some scrimmages or something like that because both teams have some of the young players that are gonna be ableto practice for eight months, 10 months, and, uh, for somebody like me who's rooting for sacred Mboya when they developed 10 months.
00:33:58
Offer him is terrifying.
00:33:59
Like he's so raw.
00:34:00
He needs all the practice.
00:34:01
You can get this scary.
00:34:02
I mean, like, I mean, I don't lose that development time.
00:34:05
Let me take it all the way to the top.
00:34:07
You have Trey Young That is gonna offer how many months now and I'm not saying he's going to regress, But there is definitely that opportunity.
00:34:14
Where now the scouting report specifically on him.
00:34:17
You know, this is first All Star game.
00:34:19
You know, he's gonna be a way.
00:34:20
It could be swarmed way one often than he was this year.
00:34:23
And I know even that much to work with this year, but regardless, that's that's the kind of difference he's going to see.
00:34:30
And this is after him being off for how many months and how many Kallis times the other guys have had the advantage of playing again.
00:34:37
So I mean, that's again, those are all these different intricacies that is part of this new norm, and that's again something that it'll take a while for everybody to be on the same playing field.
00:34:49
It it just won't the normal.
00:34:51
It's unfortunate.
00:34:53
Ah, part of what's become to be the normal? No, uh, have they said anything about what the table's gonna do? Kim, I know Gerson Rosa's RGM was a big like advocate for having, ah, summer league with the remaining eight teams, which I don't know how easy that's gonna be to organize with all the stuff going on.
00:35:15
Um, but I know that they were at least interested in having some kind of basketball in between.
00:35:24
Like, that wasn't a part of the actual season, but was just, you know, like way were talking about earlier.
00:35:29
Just Exterminating pretty much, Yeah.
00:35:32
I mean, the only the only thing that I could even think of that if they were gonna do something else that wasn't just like unofficial scrimmages.
00:35:40
I know, I remember.
00:35:41
And we talked about this before about like, around the All Star break they were talking, doing like you could do, like in, like, the introduction of, like what the mid season tournament would be.
00:35:49
And you don't have any teams this time, but it would be like an alternate trophy.
00:35:52
Um, just like, because this is a time when we can try to develop things anyway.
00:35:57
Ah, they I know that before, like two years ago and the invention, this would be kind of anti thankful thing.
00:36:03
And if you're gonna involve all these eight teams there, the tanking team so you can kind of, I don't know you would put on as incentive to do that.
00:36:09
But like, it's something to consider.
00:36:10
And I It's at least interesting I when I was done watching Kristen's fastball for the year, it would definitely be nice toe to see a little bit more.
00:36:19
So if I'm gonna have to watch the Wizard, I wouldn't like to like to at least watch the fishing's again get bandwagon.
00:36:26
I mean, I'm gonna vote for LeBron.
00:36:28
I love LeBron.
00:36:30
So you was gonna be Lakers.
00:36:35
I love Anthony Davis.
00:36:36
I mean, I'm probably find the matter what I I obviously love the honest Um, I have, like, the old school boxy, honest jersey like the big purple beer across the chest.
00:36:46
So, uh, probably over effective in for most playoffs for the Pistons, eyes just picking players to root for just because my theme hasn't been in it.
00:36:55
So I'm like that with Lillard.
00:36:57
I always wanted him to do well in the playoffs, and I'm trying to get some other guys.
00:37:01
But he's always been the one on.
00:37:03
If I had to pick somebody on the other side, that's that's what I want to be successful.
00:37:06
And I wish they would have a better Siri's last year.
00:37:10
I kept saying, You know, they screwed every second quarter lead.
00:37:12
They had all four games in that series, the conference finals.
00:37:15
But that's whatever they didn't do themselves.
00:37:19
It was the same implosion every time.
00:37:21
I just said I was like Well, this is true Take three and they're gonna continue.
00:37:24
Let Draymond run up and down the floor and cause chaos and it works every time.
00:37:28
Yeah, I mean, that's It was so scripted, and I just hate seeing every second of it.
00:37:32
But yeah, um, I don't We didn't really address that comment in the chat.
00:37:37
I mean, it was kind of briefly and I don't think he's hearing anymore, But if I had to check, he's not here anymore.
00:37:44
He's so you mentioned the fluid situation resolved.
00:37:46
I mean, the question is what exactly does that it? Yeah, um, because we really don't know.
00:37:52
We really don't know, and there's not even just him.
00:37:54
But you've had plenty of other, um, unrelated while I'm indirectly related, but not directly the fantasy with other, um, Taylor's tell people still have up interested.
00:38:07
Like, I mean, is that what you mean by resolution? Or, I mean, if if the resolution is like complete police reform, you're gonna hold that you're never going to seasonal back because no, and like, that's that's what's so complicated about it and why Just staying off the social issues is tough because, yes, I want that to be a focus.
00:38:28
But like if we're gonna hold up everything until it's all resolved, you're never gonna come back to anything.
00:38:34
So I do understand what you're pushing back on, Eric saying that you can use this is a platform because if we just hold it off until everything's result were never coming back, no.
00:38:42
And I mean, the thing is, it's a lot of subjectivity with, I mean, the general racism is obviously the main problem.
00:38:49
But then people started throwing other things, too, not distract you, but it's just part it becomes.
00:38:56
Part of it is what I'm trying to say and that I think is where you start to add 234 other issues on top of it where you mean the social distancing, for example, is a huge part of it that people are willing to compromise and that's their decision.
00:39:12
They're allowed to do that.
00:39:13
Excuse me, are allowed to do that.
00:39:15
And that is something a lot of people don't like.
00:39:18
And then there's inconsistencies with all people can go.
00:39:20
Come protest the stay home order.
00:39:22
But then they don't like this other thing by Syverson.
00:39:26
I mean, that's it's all kinds of crap that Yeah, it won't.
00:39:30
It's not gonna go away.
00:39:32
It just isn't that, Yeah, protests are great.
00:39:37
They're great.
00:39:38
But the different platforms that they have access to them, what they think the n b a.
00:39:43
Being the most progressive organization out of all this, there's no question about it.
00:39:48
Um, not even just with, like Black History Month.
00:39:52
You have Hispanic Heritage Month.
00:39:53
I want to say you have one of the early months.
00:39:56
It's ah, I don't know the name of, but it's something to do with the troops and then tell her pride.
00:40:02
But now so I know their individual teams have done Pride nights? Yeah, league wide.
00:40:10
I know that a lot of their merchandise right now is pride, but, like, obviously it's freshman.
00:40:15
Yeah, and I don't I don't know if they'd be doing that.
00:40:17
Obviously, the finals were going on, but I know that they are being big about broadcasting that.
00:40:22
That's like, what? Like, I don't know, a bunch of different teams have put out like stories and stuff like that of fans and former players and stuff like that who have relatives, family members, whatever.
00:40:33
So they are definitely being more out spoken about that than other leagues, right? So I think that's exactly what should define the next movement.
00:40:43
Or, you know, the next, um, possible solution to what's going on is that is your opportunity.
00:40:50
You can't address a crowd like you can do with, um, normally at the beginning of the season, for example.
00:40:56
That's what they do.
00:40:57
We're gonna play hearts out for you.
00:40:58
You know, they say that same kind of B s that they say every season.
00:41:01
But I mean, the thing is, that is another thing.
00:41:04
It's that you're not gonna address the crowd, but everybody's watching from all the different places, and I think that's that could be the key to something different.
00:41:13
And you look at the NFL starting on time? Probably not.
00:41:17
I don't think it is well because the camps, everything that's supposed to start up in a couple of weeks, you know? I mean, there's just no way.
00:41:24
I mean, you need tohave mass testing everywhere, and you need people to be compliant, and that's unfortunate.
00:41:30
Part of it is that people just don't care, not everybody cares.
00:41:33
And when 50% doesn't care, that's why 100% of us are affected.
00:41:37
Um, so that's unfortunate, but that's the kind of a rat.
00:41:42
Yeah, I I I want go back to that comment.
00:41:47
I think since Allen Iverson, like it's been a huge outburst of expressing black culture in basketball and using the N va as maybe even before that, that I'm not aware because I believe in um But I know he was a massive advocate for that and like even off that, like it's the end has become a huge platform.
00:42:11
Like like we talked about Jalen Brad going to protest Malcolm Brogdon going to protest LeBron protest ing.
00:42:16
Like all these guys trade young and there's countless Yonas, even all these.
00:42:22
I think it would be.
00:42:24
I don't disagree with you that there something has to change because it hasn't changed for however many 100 years, 500 years.
00:42:32
Yeah, right.
00:42:33
And but I think using this as something to shed light on that facts and because there are probably unfortunately, race is people who are in the offense and they if they see that, it's like, Hey, this guy, these players, whatever.
00:42:51
You know what I'm talking about? Like, I think it would just be a massive platform to use against police brutality against racism in general.
00:43:00
And I think it could really, you know, sparks and change.
00:43:04
Yeah, Yeah, Any time I've said that, like, I didn't necessarily think that, but that I wasn't sure of.
00:43:10
It is it is ah, like the platform to do it.
00:43:12
It's just because I don't want to tell other people how to protest.
00:43:15
And, um, I like I like 1st 1 to admit it like eso like I've never had.
00:43:24
I never didn't do anything like this.
00:43:26
So the last thing I'm going to do is to tell somebody how to help to feel on how to express those feelings.
00:43:32
Um, so I think that's the biggest reason why I wanted to just step back and listen.
00:43:36
Because while I absolutely empathize and I'm trying to relate and I'm trying every day to get better at relating, like I just have never been there.
00:43:47
So, like, I'm just listening and that's that's that's been and I'm not saying that you guys weren't But obviously I think that we're all on the same page in that regard.
00:43:54
Ah, so that's all it is.
00:43:56
Um, yeah, I understand what the commenters saying, Um, but I just I think that they that they do have to come back at some point, and I don't think that's what the players are saying either.
00:44:08
Is that that's the only reason why they wouldn't want to come back.
00:44:10
I know some people would rather go protest and come back and play, and if that's what they want to dio, I'm not gonna tell them not to do that.
00:44:16
So ah, it'll be complicated for sure.
00:44:20
Um, one other thing that I wanted to mention about that everything that's come out.
00:44:24
It's another report that came up, spun off today, and this is significantly more positive.
00:44:28
Um, and actually, kind of interesting.
00:44:31
One of I forget which team executive brought it up.
00:44:33
But they said that, um, if given the way the season is looking to go, next season might be shortened to accommodate it so that the not like, what is a 2122 would come back on a same time.
00:44:47
So how do you How would you guys feel about maybe like and abbreviated like, kind of what we have from a lockout shortened season coming up next year rather than trying to start in December and in July and kind of complicate things further came Howdy.
00:45:00
We'll start with you because I feel like we kind of cut you off sometimes.
00:45:03
So how do you feel? How do you feel about, ah, the idea of a shortened season next year? Um, I if they do it correctly on for it, if they do it where it's spaced out And because the lockout season, like you said was so crunched into a box like 65 it out.
00:45:20
Uh, some around there was 60 years.
00:45:22
Something 56.
00:45:24
Okay, if you spread it out, where all of the back to back stuff is gone.
00:45:29
Um, and you're not having guys on that like, so I have to sit out because of back to backs.
00:45:37
That's a whole another topic that we won't get into.
00:45:40
Um, I think uncomfortable putting 82 games.
00:45:48
Then they should not have to play a game like if they're worried about their health.
00:45:54
It's a big like that's That's an issue.
00:45:56
And I think it could easily be fixed.
00:45:59
Like if there's a shortened season, but over the same amount of time.
00:46:03
Sure, there's less going on every night, but you're still getting like you might lose.
00:46:10
Lose out on the 20 regular season games where all of the playoff seeds are set anyways.
00:46:15
And it's like you're still going to get that excitement, though, because at the same time they're still playing games.
00:46:21
It's not like you're missing out on the playoff races and all the excitement of the season and then you still in the playoffs.
00:46:28
Like I think a shortened season would make a lot of sense, um, the playoffs and keep the same yeah, the seven game series, because I think it works out well.
00:46:37
But if we went a 65 game season or even down toe like 60 fine by me.
00:46:45
Care about you? Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is they.
00:46:51
For years they've been trying to reduce back to backs.
00:46:54
They eliminated the three games in a row to help for player safety.
00:47:00
And when you go four months, which is it's it'll be 4 4.
00:47:04
5 months if we are scheduled to do July 30th of not playing and a teams aren't participating in this half of the well.
00:47:13
So six teams were eliminated after eight games, the half of that on after another Siri's.
00:47:19
So they're really not playing much anyway.
00:47:20
Then they're off for another, UM, five months for most of those teams.
00:47:24
That will be 34 more months, and then then you're gonna jump into a new season like there's just no way they're going to do that.
00:47:31
There's no way they're gonna be healthy enough for a full season.
00:47:33
That's why I said, now is the possible time where not rushing you back.
00:47:37
But it's your unique opportunity to and just get your face value of what this team is gonna look like next.
00:47:44
You're not even just with Brooklyn, but with other teams that have players that have come back from injury in Orlando, said a bunch of injury problems.
00:47:52
The Sixers, Pacers, the Mavs.
00:47:55
I think we're on that list of They weren't exactly big players, but it was still part of the rotation.
00:48:01
And for me, that's again.
00:48:04
A big problem is that you look at the health where it's a little bit different if you're gonna jump right back in to an 82 game season, condensed.
00:48:13
So you're playing more games and granted, we don't know what's going to go on with traveling at anything, but that's a big part of it, too.
00:48:20
If they do have to travel as well again, it takes the toll you get in at 4 a.
00:48:24
m.
00:48:25
You got to get up to shoot around, and that's all part of it.
00:48:26
And that's what they're trying to reduce.
00:48:28
So going back into it for a season, you could see catastrophic injuries appear way more than normal.
00:48:35
So it's it's gotta be condensed season.
00:48:36
It's got to go 60 even look towards 50.
00:48:39
I mean, I think that's probably a good idea Yeah, yeah, because people get all you can't break records.
00:48:46
Well, screw the records.
00:48:47
I mean, that's that's the thing with baseball, where it's like 162 games and they don't want excluding right now.
00:48:53
But previous season, I think 1 20 is perfect for baseball because it's not a lot.
00:48:58
But it's also, you know, you could still play a bunch of games, and it's way more than every other league.
00:49:02
It's not even close.
00:49:04
That's just my personal base by the 160 years away to money.
00:49:07
And everyone's like Oh, but that nobody could break any records and it's like, Well, it's like that's all using adjust anything.
00:49:12
There's a reason why a bunch of these teams can barely get anybody in the upper section.
00:49:17
It's because there's too many games and it's not.
00:49:19
It's kind of it's weird economically, but it's like you look at if there were fewer games.
00:49:25
People are more interested in attending because those opportunities don't exist.
00:49:29
It's like, Yeah, I can go to a game any day of the week versus okay, if it's three times a week, then you know, I'm gonna make sure that that's the game I can go to or where a team is 50 games under 500 at the 100 game Mark.
00:49:39
You know, that's nobody's gonna care at that point.
00:49:42
So you need to Yeah, that's a warrant.
00:49:46
I know the one.
00:49:47
Worry. A little doubt.
00:49:49
What's that? That's those are Yeah.
00:49:54
Yeah.
00:49:55
That is why the NFL sells out. Absolutely.
00:49:57
Because you know that your only eight home games like you if you want to go, you're gonna go when you can.
00:50:01
So I know the one worry with the condensed season, and obviously, if they cut it from 80 to toe, hopefully closure of the 50 s game Mark was they were There was mention of maybe bringing back four games in five nights.
00:50:14
And if you think players don't like back to backs, do you think they're gonna do that? People not just, like pick allies the world.
00:50:20
A lot of them will be very upset if you think they're going to be four games in five nights like that's just yeah, I mean, especially if you're gonna be like like you said, Eric, for the teams that stopped in March.
00:50:29
If they have nothing until they come back in December.
00:50:31
Their offer.
00:50:32
Nine months and you wanted to do four games in five nights.
00:50:34
Like that's just you're asking for a ton of injuries.
00:50:37
Yes.
00:50:38
So, um, do they have negotiation? I'm assuming they dio because there could easily be that lockout effendi is really forcing on.
00:50:46
Yeah, some kind of just grueling schedule.
00:50:50
There's no way they're going to do that.
00:50:52
There's just no way.
00:50:53
And then they're gonna no compromise and then come to something in the middle and which probably isn't optimal either.
00:50:59
Um, and I know there are sacrifices you have to make to try and get back to any form of normalcy, but it's just one of the players willing to do what air.
00:51:10
You know, What is your body say, what do the guys in their mid thirties say versus the guys that are 21 or whatever and that could probably handle it? Um, because, yeah, I mean, those guys that are in there exiting the prime, this is the last contract opportunity.
00:51:24
I mean, if you're thinking like Malcolm Brogdon, he needed to get his money because he's one of the older guys that came in in 2016.
00:51:31
I think that's right.
00:51:32
Um, but yeah, I mean, that's he needed to get his money, and that's where the fit was.
00:51:38
But they want to pay him.
00:51:39
So that was done.
00:51:41
Deal and go get your money.
00:51:42
Um, who? So, Yeah, I assume a lot like that's the other thing whenever we talk about how they could force lock out now, if they're threatening it now, that just makes me think it's coming someday, sometime down the line.
00:51:54
I know things are going great with TV deals or stuff like that, or they were before everything happened with the coronavirus.
00:52:00
But if they're threatening it now, that's not gonna be the last thread of it.
00:52:04
And if you're threatening it, that means it's very like something is gonna have to either change or it's gonna happen.
00:52:09
So it's gonna be a dicey next few years.
00:52:14
Months? I can't remember.
00:52:15
I think it's up.
00:52:16
It's supposed to be up after next season, so we wouldn't even be getting into this right now if everything didn't like multiple landscape of the world overall.
00:52:25
Um, so, yeah, it's gets definitely something to worry about.
00:52:29
Um, so we'll say.
00:52:32
I think the only other nb a news.
00:52:34
And you guys might not even know this because if if you like other teams, it's not really news.
00:52:38
But the pistons are narrowed down to their top three GM candidates today.
00:52:44
So, um, I'm pretty excited because one of them is like, I have one of the most from the start, Troy Weaver.
00:52:50
So, um, do you guys have any opinions on any of the candidates rather than the great about? I don't know. If us care.
00:52:57
You gotta pick the Peterson guy.
00:52:59
That's a really good.
00:53:00
You know, I heard that.
00:53:03
What was with Troy? Weavers with the thunder? Yeah.
00:53:08
Yeah.
00:53:09
Um, I guess you know that the they are Yeah, I know people were upset at first because they wanted us to either go after, like, the Chauncey Billups irritation prince.
00:53:27
Um, but they're looking for something a little bit more experienced because I mean, realistically were tanking, and we're not just talking, but it's gonna be a full one rebuild.
00:53:35
So whether or not they're trying to lose games is not really the questions.
00:53:38
This is not gonna be a quick fix.
00:53:39
So is it rebuild with Blake? I think they would have traded him, probably this summer if he didn't get hurt.
00:53:45
Uh, I don't They were not sold on that before, but whenever you're losing, if they weren't, they were on track to lose around 50 games.
00:53:53
Um, I think that if he that's the biggest issue with their season, is that he showed in inability to stay healthy, because now he's the biggest albatross.
00:54:03
It'll It wasn't just them.
00:54:04
Everybody sucked, correct was, but like everybody else is movable.
00:54:09
But when you're making $40 million you can't stay on the court, it's much tougher to move you.
00:54:13
It's not legal Russell Westbrook, where we're worried that he's gonna get hurt someday.
00:54:16
Blakes already there so like its if he if he has more years like this, instead of the years like last year, he becomes John Wall and not Chris Paul.
00:54:26
So that's that's the biggest worry right now.
00:54:29
But like he came out this week and he said, as long as he's here, he wants to do what's best for the team.
00:54:33
What that means.
00:54:34
No one really knows.
00:54:35
But, um, I said this to Cam yesterday.
00:54:38
We both laughed at it to give you an idea of how close we are to a rebuilt Luke Kennard.
00:54:42
Longest tenured piston.
00:54:45
So, yeah, it's ah.
00:54:48
Whether or not they wanted to be rebuild with Blake. I think we're there.
00:54:51
Um, that's why you give under drumming away for essentially nothing, that's like and I'm fine with that.
00:54:57
Like, I mean, I'd rather I'm tired of being in the middle.
00:54:59
I'm all for complete.
00:55:01
Competing for the 18 if you actually have a chance to like.
00:55:03
Like creating the West is a little bit different than the eighth seed in the East.
00:55:05
Even though the it seems very rarely gonna win, you look at them a little bit differently, whereas the HC means does it is typically gonna be at 500 or below and getting just dumpster in the first round id Rather bought about.
00:55:17
So, um, I'd rather go the guy that is key to them, like scouting and player development.
00:55:23
Which is why I like Troy Weaver out of Oklahoma City.
00:55:26
So that's interesting to me.
00:55:30
But I need a little a good Hello, Please.
00:55:34
No, it's something different.
00:55:36
Complete notes.
00:55:37
And let's not talk about pistons. They're terrible. Don't.
00:55:39
It's still about the Pistons, but it's more of their.
00:55:41
I've still firm believer that they were a top five team that faced a healthy Yeah, it's just that it was my biggest miss.
00:55:48
If you want to call it a miss on my preseason stand pre prediction standings, but and it's just you see those temperate units where they you're not able to see their full circle.
00:55:59
It's the same thing with the honest and Jabari, where they really never saw Christmas was part of that. He was injured.
00:56:05
Jabari has been injured twice.
00:56:07
You never saw the full circle with that.
00:56:08
And there's just a time where you don't have timeto continue to wait for it.
00:56:13
Which sucks because, you know, the Pistons were the eight seed you could.
00:56:17
You know, I know, question healthy.
00:56:18
They're better than Orlando.
00:56:19
They're better than Brooklyn.
00:56:20
I think the way Philly struck build this year, I think they could have been better than them to um, and it's just *** is we didn't see him.
00:56:27
When you add pieces like Luke Kennard is a really good shooter.
00:56:30
On top of what the previous talent core group Waas.
00:56:35
That's a team that had really been at something not necessarily contender.
00:56:40
But a playoff team that we saw your before with Kristen would with Christian would grant that we don't know what is playing time, what it really been Because what? The bucks he could never find a way in just cause they were so deep and they couldn't We thought was the same way, which that I never understood.
00:56:58
I thought he could have got minutes over Thon.
00:56:59
But you now have the same situation.
00:57:01
So you kind of Ah, your urine.
00:57:03
The I You're my shoes that I was in, um, a couple a year ago, so Yeah, it's Ah, if you remember, you probably I don't know if you do, but whenever you guys were picking, I think you Eric, you may pick them to be the five or six seed.
00:57:18
I think him with the rest.
00:57:19
Okay, I think you said six and I was like, I think that they are.
00:57:24
They have the talent for that.
00:57:25
But I'm not gonna pick it because I know they'll break my heart as because they always do that.
00:57:30
I'm going like I expected them to sneak in Is an eight seed? Um, I obviously that's not that was not gonna happen like before the season stop.
00:57:39
They were what they were.
00:57:41
One of the coldest teams in the league we'll talk about is the hottest team in the league stuff, But they want the courts teams in the league and there.
00:57:46
They finished only finished with the fifth best lottery odds, but only 1/2 game out of tying for second.
00:57:51
So, um, they just they stop.
00:57:54
They just could not win games.
00:57:55
I named between Luke in Art and Blake and Reggie Miss games frequently.
00:58:00
Dr Jackson. Of course he did.
00:58:02
Um, yeah, it was just It's a mess of a season, so I don't God pulled up the standings.
00:58:11
Cam was six. Cory was seven.
00:58:14
I was five.
00:58:15
I them the highest people.
00:58:16
Just I didn't believe in Pistons, I guess.
00:58:19
But I remember laughing.
00:58:22
I know for a fact that's what it was.
00:58:24
A maybe not five, but I still think seven or six was attainable and seeing how the season panned out, filling that playing very well, Pacers still didn't have a whole the Depo for the longest time.
00:58:34
So them being tied.
00:58:36
I still think that five was there but can't really say much. That's all hypothetical.
00:58:41
At this point, it was attainable.
00:58:43
Last year, two they were close, like I mean, the finished A.
00:58:45
But like until the last day of the season up, the six was variable, so like and then lately got hurt at the end of the season last year.
00:58:52
That's why they fell all the way back to eight.
00:58:54
But, like, I mean, I agree.
00:58:57
Obviously, I unbiased.
00:58:59
But like there's there was talent there.
00:59:02
I'm always gonna be a fan of Andre Drummond.
00:59:04
I I'm not necessarily sure that he could be even your second best player on a championship team. Fuzz.
00:59:09
He's very good.
00:59:10
I mean, I think that he's probably going to get overpaid just because if he wants something similar was contract Waas.
00:59:16
He's gonna be overpaid.
00:59:18
He's a good basketball player that I mean, he's not a star, but he is a good basketball player, and I will always appreciate what he did here.
00:59:26
So, um, yeah, it's it's a mess.
00:59:29
So it's kind of cool to see them being mentioned as because the last time they were in the running for a GM, they went withstanding Dundee, like, obviously wasn't GM it was president of basketball operations, but, like, not that, what about he was still the coach, right? Van Gundy was coach and president of basketball operations, and people do that.
00:59:46
That was the thing at the time.
00:59:47
If you remember, Cam was, I am tips just killed.
00:59:51
You know, that never made sense to me as a painting.
00:59:54
The dual role crap is Yeah, two vastly different things to manage.
00:59:59
And that's why he picked the Pistons over the Warriors because they gave him power and instead, the Warriors.
01:00:03
What was Steve Kerr? Funny how that works.
01:00:07
I still want to see Jeff Van Gundy get a coaching job because he's clearly itching to get back out there.
01:00:13
Any time you watch those ABC broadcast, he is like upset with the players.
01:00:18
I could just sense that he wants to scream at somebody, so maybe he'll get a spot.
01:00:23
Me, He's always the rumored him.
01:00:25
Mark Jackson.
01:00:26
You have, uh, Kenny Smith, those the ****yst guys, former players, former coaches.
01:00:32
So I mean, that's another thing, too.
01:00:34
With these teams uncertain futures, you have the mixture of Brooklyn.
01:00:38
Um, I'm missing.
01:00:40
One is women.
01:00:43
This is gently blaze bigger is bigger.
01:00:45
Said you're good actually leaving.
01:00:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:49
You gave him an extension, which again, he's This is his third stop being an interim converted into a coach, and it hasn't worked, So I'm not gonna knock the decision, But it's something where a proven track record doesn't exist.
01:01:04
So giving him a chance he's already had with teams of probably the same because it was was a Houston in Memphis.
01:01:13
Good Houston.
01:01:15
James Harden. So that didn't work.
01:01:17
And then the Grizzlies were in that.
01:01:20
I wouldn't say transition phase at the time, but they're still decent, right? So, yeah, that putting him with Cleveland? I don't That's the worst of the three, no question.
01:01:33
So it's not the Cavs worst coaching higher in the last year, though, So there's that.
01:01:39
That's unfortunate.
01:01:40
Mean that right away, you know, people were really hyped in that decision up.
01:01:44
Comparing him to, uh, coaches, other coaches that came over from the collegiate part of this with Billy Donovan, you had skew Fred Stevens.
01:01:53
Red Stevens.
01:01:54
Yeah, it's gonna say Scott Brooks and I knew that wasn't right ahead the Oklahoma City connection, and that wasn't right, but yeah, Brad Stevens.
01:01:59
I think it was in one more thermite.
01:02:01
Maybe he's not coaching a member.
01:02:03
Fred Hoiberg? Yeah, was one.
01:02:05
And that they really work because Chicago just sucks in general.
01:02:08
Um, but yeah, So I mean, we'll see a my missing any others because I think everybody in the West is safe.
01:02:17
Yeah, I think I like.
01:02:19
It's kind of like how we were unsure about Cleveland.
01:02:21
Chicago.
01:02:22
Still kind of unsure.
01:02:23
I know they just kind of got a new front office structure, and they are non committal toward spoiling.
01:02:28
Um, there's no way there's got to be no way.
01:02:31
I mean, I need a no carb packs isn't there, So I guess anything's possible, but yeah, anything to save a box, nothing would shock me with that thing.
01:02:41
Yeah, it's like, Do they do something else where they ah prioritized the coach? That means probably getting rid of Zach Lavine because they've had the biggest issues.
01:02:49
Um, um I don't think anyone said more issues Player to coach on that team.
01:02:55
No, but I don't think anyone there really like it.
01:02:57
Seems like all of the young guys really don't care for him, so I know that they're not necessarily whether or not you think those are the foundational young guys to build a future on.
01:03:06
I mean, I think you have to at least give it a shot and maybe get a coach that works with them.
01:03:10
So it's alarming because Lowry market and had a receding sop****re season like he and the Bones were one of most injured teams out of everybody, maybe not the most injured, but they're looking at the engine report every day.
01:03:25
There's like 12 names on this thing where it's like My God, I mean, most of them were probably questionable, but tohave that going into every night, where you have no clue who's going to be active or not, I mean, that's as a coach that would drive me like crazy, cause it's like I don't know how to game plan out of the way as a team that's already not very good.
01:03:43
And then my entire rosters.
01:03:46
I don't know if they're gonna be suiting up tonight or not.
01:03:48
Ah, the whole see down.
01:03:49
So that Z I mean, yeah, I don't think Boylan's a really good coach, but you also get a look at what he was given at some point.
01:03:58
I think a lot of coaching failures there, you know? I know the coaches like the main guy to go after, but this Bulls team wasn't going to be any good.
01:04:06
I don't I don't think why any people thought that.
01:04:10
And sorry, all those people that people really thought they could challenge for the playoffs and they were 12th on my list.
01:04:16
I had said, uh, Corey, Adam 11th candid having in the playoffs.
01:04:22
Te'o came intimates, I mean, but then eight seed was I had the Hawks at the eight seed, so I mean, that didn't work out, either.
01:04:28
I mean, I did have a chance close enough.
01:04:31
What's up? I don't have the Pacers in the playoffs.
01:04:34
So really, who's to say who's smart here? Really? That was my heart take of the summer, because I was I was.
01:04:39
I didn't believe I didn't think Sabonis was gonna be like Take the All Star Leaf and I was just like, Well, who knows when Deep was gonna come back? If I maybe I just wasn't a believer enough and Jeremy lands for them, though.
01:04:53
Yeah, I like.
01:04:54
I like the love of their moves.
01:04:55
I just didn't know there was necessarily gonna be enough.
01:04:57
Because I like, I thought, the fishing We're gonna be better.
01:04:59
I thought that Brooklyn was gonna be a little bit better than that ended up being so I think I just kind of value everybody else too much then more than I.
01:05:05
Really, because the Pacers seems fine, but they're always kind of just fine.
01:05:10
You don't even like, Yeah, there.
01:05:12
I never extremely impressive, but they're always rather competitive.
01:05:15
So right.
01:05:17
And that since Paul George Ah, Lance Stephenson, George Hill.
01:05:20
Roy Hibbert days now.
01:05:22
Yeah, they've been very mediocre.
01:05:25
I mean, they've all I kinda lived in that purgatory.
01:05:29
A well, eight seed five somewhere between six and eight. Yeah.
01:05:34
I mean, you get five is even previous seasons.
01:05:37
That 45 really hasn't been his competitive.
01:05:40
It could be, um, you did of Cleveland.
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And in the end of the one season, But that went seven.
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Do we believe it's that you're seven? With LeBron there at all? That's that's always tough.
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Um, yeah, but yeah, we were going down here and Pistons five.
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I had Ah, Toronto seventh.
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Toronto wasn't very high on a lot of people's list, but they've been a huge difference maker.
01:06:06
I think only one had top three and cross the board.
01:06:10
Yes, that's that's pretty crazy and then, But we consistently had calves at the bottom, so that was good.
01:06:18
But even there we were kind of wrong because, like Kevin Porter with somebody that I didn't like and he's been really, really good for them, so I mean, yeah, it's Yeah, I guess that's probably the best thing you can say about the MBA right now, though, is even though they're sometimes they're just really bad.
01:06:33
There's still something positive you can take from a lot of them. So going.
01:06:36
***ton's had a really good season for them.
01:06:38
Yeah, I know it's like him and Kobe White have almost had.
01:06:44
I wouldn't say equal, but their roles of very, very similar when their volume scorers, they could get to the hoop whenever they want and that's part of the problem is that's all that team as really.
01:06:55
I mean, the Bulls do have Zach Lavine and they do have they're younger centers, but when the garden around your junior, he's never held the exactly kind of sections essentially by himself.
01:07:07
I mean, when we look at the grand scheme of things had Kevin Porter had a really good start.
01:07:12
Um, but again, they're young, they're in experience.
01:07:15
And that's part of growing pains that they're gonna have to endure for the next, probably three seasons at the minimum, cause I don't see them getting any crazy free agent coming their way.
01:07:28
Now, the Bryant's not coming back to save them.
01:07:33
So what? The Cavs aren't the worst team out there? I mean, the Knicks are still have you got there? Still a Dumpster fire? They are.
01:07:43
And the Hornets probably proved everybody wrong outside of Chris for some reason.
01:07:47
Had them 11th.
01:07:49
But everybody else was bottom three.
01:07:50
Most momentum last time.
01:07:52
Last I thought they were terrible, and they're just Maybe they're not good, but there Not terrible.
01:07:58
Yeah.
01:07:59
I mean, they kind of when you're I'll go ahead.
01:08:04
Really? Really? Yeah.
01:08:09
But people, um No.
01:08:14
Okay.
01:08:19
What? I believe it.
01:08:28
Would they when I did, you get any of that are No.
01:08:40
I got some of it.
01:08:42
I got bits and pieces, but it came.
01:08:43
I know that you said that.
01:08:44
It sounds like you said that a lot of people came and made jumps for the Hornets.
01:08:47
Like I heard several players.
01:08:49
Yeah, I just get hurt.
01:08:50
Heard some names.
01:08:51
Like I thought you said Maliki.
01:08:52
I thought you said ah.
01:08:53
Heard Malik Monk? Yeah.
01:08:55
I mean, And what the green was like hot in the beginning of the season to so, like, there's something there, but I just I've never been a Terry Rozier fan, so I'm not really get to hide them about what they're doing.
01:09:08
So we've I don't know if he has really, since we've gone for well, like a little bit over an hour at this point.
01:09:15
So I think we kind of covered everything is the point. Yeah.
01:09:19
So I'd say for the first lead weekly show, we're doing pretty good, so I wouldn't call it there for the night.
01:09:29
Yeah.
01:09:30
Alright, guys.
01:09:31
Well, out there.
01:09:32
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:33
Thank you for joining us tonight.
01:09:34
I know that it's ah, probably
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Monday's Lead: Is the NBA Back?

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Eric Peterson @EricTLSM

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Yes, I sent and accepted the invite for both er, accent airplane.
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But there's camp. Cool.
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What's up, guys? Not much, Eric.
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Moment of truth.
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Well, the truth.
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I can area It's a little staticky, but it's it's workable.
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Okay, it's better than normal.
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So I wouldn't I wouldn't complain early, so it looks That's true.
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But, I mean, I think that's kind of just we're all kind of figured this out as we go along.
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So I don't think there's anything really wrong with that, right? So, yeah, I mean, I think I figured we were gonna end up just talking about everything that kind of happened since we last. That a podcast.
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That's kind of Well, there's a lot going on.
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It kind of limits the different topics that we have.
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But ah, enough happened with the call on Friday and stuff like that factory talk about.
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So, um, is that kind of where you guys want to start? Okay, so I know.
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Ah.
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Camp said earlier that he kind of needed to be updated on everything that happened.
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So the gist of it is is you know, they had a call on Friday and they said there was between depending on who? You, whose report you believe between 80 and 200 players on that call and then another was another call today that has, like, 40 players.
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And, uh, but it's not just kind read.
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Ah, they said the other person is mostly vocal about things was, um, Avery Bradley on The big thing is that they just want to see if they can weigh all their options.
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I know that.
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Ah, some people initially thought it was just about the pandemic.
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It's not just that they're worried about the state of the bubble bringing people in family wise.
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Um, it looks, it's safety.
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It's they don't want to take any focus away from everything that's kind of going on right now.
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And, um, Tyree's big thing that he's laid out since then are not screen trying some of it.
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So we can kind of go over his quotes if you really want to.
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But I was that, um his role is He's one of the higher up executives and the Players Association.
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So he's not necessary, even just speaking up for himself, because he said that he was on the initial call and everything like that where they voted to bring the league back.
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He is hearing what some of the people that below him that do not have the voice that he has has said.
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He said He doesn't really Mr to feel like coming back, and I whatever.
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We can discuss that, too.
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But he knows that there's people that don't feel like they have the power to speak out because they're not one of the upper whatever players in the league there, a lower tier player, and they can't necessarily afford to voice this.
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So he's kind of saying that he's trying to bring voice to that as well.
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Um, while also getting into some of the stances.
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So kind, a unique kind of have disagreed about this a little bit.
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So have you.
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Have you thought about it? All of it? What? What? What are your thoughts? Uh, just a general, always speaking physically in the car, starting general way, we could get into a call, but, like, it's kind of lay the groundwork first.
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Okay, Yeah, I mean, it's a huge discussion, not just in India, but look, a baseball is struggling to do anything.
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You look at the WNBA's just supposed accepted.
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There was 22 games.
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Their season certainly takes another one.
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And look at where the MBA waas and where it is now work to the point where we're already through a full offseason, right? So right now, this time time off, we be starting next season out of the same time, obviously, but you get what I'm trying to say is that now it's been that hiatus something on the lawsuit and start getting training.
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Cancer started, but we've been the Olympics for the time loss.
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Is this normally so? Look past that.
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What justice to the cities.
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You re imagine spirit of this deal.
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It's like why I love people.
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Yeah, might be advocating for other people, but at the same time you look at the top to bottom, where the pain scale is in some of the questions, things that you set up a phone call that he was quoted in saying it.
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There's a lot of inconsistencies for it for me to directly believe that's his best centrists at heart, and, you know, you can say what he's speaking up for.
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Others, like that one is on the same page, and then you see quotes to come out afterwards, and he doesn't have supporters.
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But he's made enemies from it and made enemies from saying and doing other things on his previous teams.
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With his and a portion of the Cavs in your all of Boston now with Brooklyn, this some prior issues with him.
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Do you? The standpoints, you says.
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And it comes from on any topics.
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But this isn't just anything about bubble.
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Anything about social injustice, that product platform, any of that.
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It's just all the ties together and that you see through some instability jump and I just I just It's difficult for me to believe when his team is in a position to really do anything, especially with Kevin Durant not plan.
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Um, and I still think it's easier.
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Better side of the Nets are a top four team.
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It is really hard for you to sit there and say that you wouldn't have any semblance of interest in playing.
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I just It's just hard for me to think that used.
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That's what he's looking at is nothing new game, which it does to an extent because there are guys that are free agents next year.
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There, guys that you might not be had a team.
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You have 60 draftees coming in, plus undrafted free agents that are gonna take roster spots, guys, they're gonna add up to retire.
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Vince Carter's probably done.
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You look at some of these other guys that are probably gone and all of its because the wave comes in and that's what.
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And that's unfortunate because a lot of these guys that are going to get good teams from across they don't have the chance of more because it's Cesena's, presuming they can't dislike their value and the worth and things have changed since.
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March is a big deal.
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So I mean, that's just where I stand.
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I don't know.
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I'm before only social injustice, all the protests, and that's that's great.
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But it's what would you rather used his platform, where all the attentions with your baseball is not happen? You have.
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You have the WNBA's.
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But football's not happened yet.
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That's the opportunity to really convey on a different platform where people are kind of sick of seeing all the news reports of riots were sick of that.
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You can see this other platform where they could still peacefully.
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Advocates of this stuff for him.
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I think that's a really good opportunity for that on, especially when all eyes around them and there's no one that's gonna be there in person.
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You can have the national audience at a much higher rate because, yeah, there's a regular season games for each of his team's.
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But most of it, it's probably be TNT or ESPN.
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So, yeah, that was kind of my thing.
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I want to hear more from other players and get Dwight Howard and Avery Bradley that you mentioned.
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Yeah, but again, LeBron wasn't on this call.
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So it's That's a huge point for me.
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Even if you disagree is the fact that is out of this call.
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It's like That's, I don't know.
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It's sort of heard from unit, and I'm pretty sure there in such a good position to play and to compete for a championship.
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And I think that's definitely going away.
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And he said, We criticizing my one.
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It's either you selfish for playing for the Uh huh.
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He's like a baby.
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He doesn't want to play or something like that.
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I mean, there's forgetting what? I was trying to stay here, but, um, that's that's kind of where I would just not having a brown that call and you've kindly took nine days to really speak up.
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I don't know why you have the opportunity to say that right away you solidify everything and then a week later I need to get my players together and we need to have a separate conversation where all of a sudden there is all this disconnect without a Mitchell now quoting that leaked report thing again, it's just a lot of stuff intertwined with this.
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So it's it's time interested to see how it unfolds.
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But, you know, we're six weeks away from hopefully resuming.
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This is just gonna limit.
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So I think that just to give before I before I let you talk to him, I just want to say it like time to explain a little bit more.
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I think that if you look at it taking nine days, that kind of lends some credence to the fact that maybe he was listening to the players under him in his role as executive vice president of the Players Association.
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Um, I know LeBron has historically not been extremely active in the players association.
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That's been more like a Chris Paul type thing.
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So and LeBron soon leather activism stuff and he has more of a pulpit to do that.
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I mean, say what? You will understand all these other guys, their stars, But you don't see other people like doing this.
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This voter suppression thing like LeBron is because he has such a bigger stage that he's able to do that.
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Not all of these guys have that power like Jalen Brown's out here getting arrested at protests.
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And most people unless you're a die hard MBA thin.
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Don't even know that because you don't know who like I mean, Hey, just doesn't get the stage like that.
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So, um, I I think there's a number of reasons why LeBron isn't on the call it.
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I don't necessarily think it's just because he doesn't agree.
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I mean, him and Kyrie have a very fractured relationship.
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Everybody knows that So wouldn't be very surprising to me if he doesn't want to join in on something Kyrie Irving is doing.
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But he obviously does think that they need to stand for something, given what he's doing with the with everything with voter suppression and things like that.
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But I'm not even necessary, saying you're wrong because I do think that Kyrie is an imperfect messenger.
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But he's also doing his job with the Players Association when he is bringing up some of these concerns.
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He is.
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And the one thing I'll leave you with before Campbell on your it's Yeah, it's just a matter of some of the quotes to come out with what he what? He says that it's a little bit off from what the whole point of the discussion is, where it's like there's only 20 of us that are getting paid, you know, this is this is a tiered system against us, and that's not at all what it is.
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Everyone the based 15th player on Memphis or the 15th player on one of the bottom seems 17 to 22.
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That's they're making 900,000 or something around there.
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2.
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5 is the veteran minimum you have, Yeah, Minnesota, too.
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I mean, there, you know there's guys that this won't see this type of exposure, this type of contract because a lot of these guys are contract years.
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I mean, every season we go through and say this might be the last year.
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For this person, this might be the last year or the last contract opportunity for these guys that are entering their thirties and Kevin Durant's part of this.
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I mean, he's he's getting 32 in September and we talked about this during last episode.
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It's convinces X audio Port nest.
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I don't know what it is if it's if it's Dad, tell me if it's better or worse than it was because I don't know.
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I actually think it's getting better.
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Okay, well, I didn't buy my, uh, the thing I ordered exposed to coming in this week.
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So maybe that I thought already came in.
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Look, this is a little out of the four or five cents I tried last time, and apparently it's my laptop.
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It has to be.
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I don't know what it is, but back what I'm saying.
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It's got you know, Brooklyn has that unique opportunity where there's touted as one of the top teams next season.
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We're past this season being that it's normal and the point.
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So we're already in the next season if you want.
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Look at it that way.
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And Kevin Durant spinoff 13 14 months.
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Yeah, I told.
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I brought up the point you in March, how he was seen five on five Duncan on people and might not have had access to doing those workouts.
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But at the same time, you kind of look it.
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It's not a very egregious level of play that they're going to be doing played games, and then it's sudden death at that point.
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So it's not a full season.
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It's not.
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In 82 games, it's not half of that.
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It's probably 20 on average and probably less than that, for most of those teams play eight games, half the fields gone at that point after the extra for or maybe five or six.
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Or if they do best seven.
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That's kind of where there are, you know? I mean, that's it's unfortunate because you'd like to see them at that Max level and see what their potential is for the next 23 seasons.
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It just we're not going to see it.
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That's unfortunate and I think we just need to hear more people that are in this middle tier.
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I'm not saying just clued anybody that's 14 to 22 and most teams, but you need to hear from those guys because the consensus is there 80%.
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I would on average, probably want to play.
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Um, because all these intimate, Then there's another big one.
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They think they can compete for a championship.
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Um, Denver's another one.
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You look a out East Toronto, Miami, Boston, Philly.
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I mean, they're all plenty candidates that are.
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I think they have an equal shot at it and they can still use.
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This is a huge platform for themselves, and yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of one minute.
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It's just it's difficult to really break down everything because we don't have all the facts.
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But from what I've seen, some of the existence is weak.
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I read is just not consist enough for me to believe, truly that that's what his best interest is.
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An end.
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Can you kind of listen to us talk for a little bit? So why don't What do you think about everything? Yeah, um, this probably isn't the right answer or the answer that anyone wants to hear, but I'm really on the fence about everything.
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Like I'm so in between.
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Like because I as a basketball fan, regardless of my fandom, like we were talking about this in that Skype call Corey.
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Uh, regardless of my fandom.
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I love basketball like I want to watch these guys play and compete for a championship, which is, you know, that's the end goal of this.
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And there's there's big obstacles to it, so and it's reasonable obstacles.
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It's not like anything stupid or unwarranted, like I I think, Eric, you're you're not wrong about Kyrie.
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I think there's there's some underlying things there.
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But at the same time, um, most of the other guys who have voiced opinions on not playing have some riel like actual fears about playing and keeping their family safe and what? Not like I also the bubble that in perfect bubble thing is ridiculous to me.
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Like what? What are we doing that's like, That's Bush league stuff to me.
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If you're gonna have all these guys quarantined for, however long you got to keep the people who are like their with them, you got to keep them away from other people to you Can't let them, I believe.
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I know it sucks at that point.
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For the employees of Disney, it might be difficult for them, but at the same time like we're willing to put the MBA players through it.
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Yeah, right.
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It's the same thing.
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Um, but like I said, I'm really on the fence like I love to see the season come back.
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But if it does, it wouldn't shock me and I wouldn't be super upset.
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Yeah, I I hear what you're saying.
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I think that's what that's one then we can talk about is we've got to talk about like how, um, what they're saying about the social justice, and I think that's obviously very important.
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But we covered that.
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So, like, I mean, obviously we haven't covered enough.
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You can ever cover it enough.
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But in terms of what we're talking about tonight and what they talked about on that call, that's not the only thing.
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Ah, that was an issue for them.
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And that's another thing, Eric.
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That kind of they have come out in the last week that there more information that comes out about what they need because they're gonna press release.
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I think four days after it was approved that they were to come back, they did impressively, saying that they weren't gonna require their employees to stay in the bubble.
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Wow, it's not what it is separate from where the park is.
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And, like, obviously, guests and stuff are gonna be able to get into their If you're having a rotation of employees coming to work, they say they won't be in the room at the same time as the players.
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But they're still going into their rooms.
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They're still cleaning everything.
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It's especially in Florida, where I think it was what Thursday? Friday, Saturday had record spikes of the Corona virus.
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I understand that, like and I mean, we talked there for three months about how ridiculous Florida's being with all of this.
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They just haven't taken it seriously.
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And I understand where a lot of people are coming from where they're saying for people in their twenties and thirties who are in great health, that might not be arrest.
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But we are given that we don't know enough about the disease yet.
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It's been in the country for three months.
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We still don't know everything about this disease.
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We don't know how long you could be asymptomatic for sure.
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We don't know, like if a family members come in who you could give it to, Um, and This is another like, low tier playoff guy who's not even invited Cleveland's uninvited to this.
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But, um, we had, ah, Larry Nance say that if he was involved, he wouldn't want to go because he has an auto immune disease.
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We don't know all of this about, I mean, obviously the team's dio, but we don't know this about the 14th 15th guy and all these teams and like that's something that affects them.
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But if if they're in the position where you're talking about Eric, where they're like, I can't speak up, that I might be out of league next year because X rookie who comes in, they're gonna take my spot.
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So I'm just not gonna ruffle any feathers.
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So that is one of the concerns.
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Again, there's no right answer here, and that's I think the biggest issue is and that's why there's a conversation right now.
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Is that obviously everybody wants the N b A back and I mean here, I'll just to give you some of the numbers.
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We've talked about the numbers before, but probably marks put it out today.
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Everything was today or yesterday or something about this is the money that's at stake if they don't play.
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Ah, there is 1.
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2 billion loss in player salary, which is 35% of their pack.
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Ah, the embassy would now have the leverage to tear down the C B A and re negotiate a new one, which we can get into that later about how awful that sounds.
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That the NBA's just gonna use that as a power play to and then two billion lost in league revenue.
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So, um, it does.
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It is a very dicey situation.
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There's obviously money is very important.
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I mean, of course, we're dealing with 1,000,000 multi $1,000,000 salaries for basically everybody involved.
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And, um, it is something that absolutely consider.
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But is it safe is, But it's been the biggest question the entire time, and I like kind of what the WNBA's doing a little bit better.
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Obviously, they're bringing less teams or less people in overall, so it's not as much of a lot like in terms of like you needed somewhere bigger for the N B A.
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So it's what Disney World makes more sense.
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But the I N G.
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Academy sounds much safer than than what we're doing in Disney World, especially whenever you're considering locate where where Disney World is and the fluctuation of bringing people in and out.
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And then you mentioned about how it's basically been offseason, so people come back.
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It would be what it is.
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That's one of what Donovan Mitchell said was the biggest.
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And this is actually quite this.
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Is nobody criticized bleacher report about Ah, this is in Watches article today, where he said that one thing.
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He's really worried about it, even though we've been off for three months, It's not like we're having our normal basketball activities over the summer where we're able to stay in shape and work out and everything like that, even if you have a gym coming back.
00:18:16
And all these players who are not in peak shape because they haven't been able to practice having all these injury concerns, and that is something to be worried about because there's a lot of guys that aren't ableto, whether whether it be that they're not taking it seriously or even if you're not able to get into a practice facility or not to keep yourself in tip top shape is something to really be worried about.
00:18:34
and know yet for sure.
00:18:36
And I mean, I talked about Yonas.
00:18:37
He doesn't have open his house.
00:18:39
Yeah, that's that's a big problem.
00:18:41
But I'm hoping that they figured that out by now and that he had some to shoot around with at least nearby your outside.
00:18:47
Um, but I mean, it's It's just a huge thing where they are trying to do some sort of training camp where it's on the exact details of it.
00:18:55
But it's like 2 to 3 weeks.
00:18:56
I think of practicing scrimmaging, Inter squad scrimmage and kind of like the normal crew season that you'd see and they're allowing bring extra guys.
00:19:05
I think that mostly will mean the two way players will come along because they only they're not eligible for the playoffs.
00:19:10
Yeah, so next it'd 17.
00:19:13
It gives Jamal Crawford Jr Smith those guys played all season.
00:19:17
He's not my guy.
00:19:18
I just think somebody could use somebody to be able to use them, whether it's mentorship or playing 12 minutes a game.
00:19:25
You know, Vince Carter, you could say Vince Carter doesn't deserve a job because he's on Atlanta.
00:19:29
They're nowhere.
00:19:31
I understand.
00:19:32
Yeah, that's more so in appreciation of what he can teach to these guys and not necessarily his production on the floor is important and think that is huge.
00:19:42
I mean, you got they, uh, has Lamu doneness as them on Miami.
00:19:46
You've been there 15 guy for how many years now, and he's barely cracked any sort of rotational minutes, so you could argue he doesn't deserve to be in the league, either.
00:19:55
So, I mean, that's it's just a huge part of these veterans that again, this is probably the last opportunity.
00:20:00
Or for very few, maybe next year's of last opportunity.
00:20:03
Two years, whatever.
00:20:05
Now there's just the slats disappear without, like Jason Terry, for example, he wanted to play his 20th season than the Bucks just didn't resign him, and that was it.
00:20:13
There was no reform, no, and I wanted him come back because I thought his veteran leadership was incredibly valuable, almost invaluable, because that's how much it meant to guys like you, honest and guys like, you know, the connection you had previously with Coach Kid.
00:20:26
I think that worked out well for what it was.
00:20:28
Um, yeah, no, it's It's the 1.
00:20:31
2 billion that's just the face value me.
00:20:34
There's so many deeper ramifications later on for you know, let's say they do regard renegotiates CB.
00:20:41
And then there's a lot continue lose revenue.
00:20:42
That way you lose revenue and other aspects of it.
00:20:45
So the 1.
00:20:46
2 billion that is just the initial, probably that's the initial thing.
00:20:50
It's not like that's a projection of what you could lose if not just a number, right.
00:20:56
But I'm saying like it could continue on even further if if things just continue to go bad, but hopefully it won't hopefully go figure something out.
00:21:04
And I think, I mean, what are we supposed to know? Because it's getting closer, but they're true traveling, but I think they're supposed to start casting players in their local markets within the next week or so.
00:21:17
I know that They said there was supposed to be another call this week with the Players Association and like the n beside sometime this week, to kind of discuss everything because I mean what what? We've been focusing on Kyrie and then it's more players than that.
00:21:29
So since other people have voiced their concerns, that kind of loop, everybody in to see if they can assuage the concerns in some way because, I mean, say what you will about him being a perfect messenger, like there are concerns and like, he's not the only one concerned.
00:21:42
They want to talk about it because ultimately they do want these.
00:21:44
If these people gonna come down, they're gonna bring their families, the coaching staffs, all that stuff and, like, people have to be some at least somewhat comfortable.
00:21:52
And I wouldn't be surprised if some people say they don't want to go and then and then like, even if they were giving them the option to not go.
00:21:58
But then like you, like we all know that's going to be the story that's leaving.
00:22:02
Everything is this guy decided not to go.
00:22:04
And we've talked before record that public opinion shouldn't be what matters, but like if they become like not not that it might not be this extreme, but if they become like a pariah of some sort, because they're the one guy on the good team that decided not to go, that isn't nothing like I mean, yes, it's public opinion, but that's kind of thing that can stick with you.
00:22:19
I mean, look at how we treat really for how people treat Rubio bear because he touched the microphones when we don't even know if he's case zero.
00:22:25
But, like people are treating him like he infected the whole league and ruin basketball well, but that was just general stupidity.
00:22:31
It wasn't necessarily that matters.
00:22:32
I mean, if I put the team well, but you can consider a general stupidity of it's a personal decision vision, You know, you'd be a mockery of whatever is going on.
00:22:39
Like everyone else.
00:22:40
You have experience about it, and he wasn't so I mean, it was somewhat warranted.
00:22:44
Isn't necessarily why the envy was shut down.
00:22:46
No, but that that's what people don't like is when you have a guy of such a celebrity figure, Um, yeah, not taking it seriously being that role model, and then other people don't take it seriously.
00:22:57
And that's just, you know, it's That sucks from there.
00:23:00
So But I mean, just thinking in general for, um, guys going down there, and they are saying every other day testing, which makes sense because you could still contract the virus.
00:23:11
Um, well, even though you tested negative, so I mean, that's that's something that needs to happen.
00:23:15
I think in general, if we're keep saying in general, because that's a lot of what this is is a lot of different aspects intertwining with the entire issue of going on.
00:23:24
But for example, I coach boys volleyball, the varsity high school level and where it's a fall season, so the schools would come back.
00:23:32
We would start mid August.
00:23:34
They're local, but you know, compared to floor completed Arizona just you're populated and it's not as bad right now.
00:23:44
But you still need to have those precautions you need tohave testing readily available.
00:23:48
I don't know that they're trying to fear ways to have a regular school year start to the school year and regular sports because they cancel everything in the spring half while most of the winter was happened.
00:23:59
But you know, March came in, the tournament's didn't happen in the playoffs.
00:24:02
That happen, Um, and so they don't want that to continue on because it's it's nowhere near that experience that, you know, people Lovas athletes and, um, the kids were just bored.
00:24:13
Other minds doing that.
00:24:15
Um, but yeah, no, it's all kinds of crap and it's It's not going away any time soon.
00:24:24
Yeah, and I'll pick you back up.
00:24:25
What? You said, Eric, Like you said your volleyball coach, Schwab.
00:24:29
I just started this year coaching with a Division two football team, and I have no idea if we're gonna have a season.
00:24:36
Neither do my people above me like it's and for for those kinds of guys, it's This is I mean, this is straining away a little bit from nd a talk.
00:24:45
But like for those guys, it's they're losing a year in college football like that's sometimes that's all they get for their football career, and it's it's really sad to think about a lot of the seniors on the team murder.
00:24:59
You know, they've been really good players and they put a lot into it.
00:25:04
And then it's like your senior year just done before it starts.
00:25:08
Yeah, it's definitely definitely unprecedented, as everybody said, Yeah, I mean, and that's obviously all of this is while we three days kind of new ground because we don't know what.
00:25:24
That's one of the things that came up with, how they're going to get out of the C B.
00:25:27
A is because Ah, lot of the television contracts, Which why would you have a sense that this is something that one would have ever considered? But there's contract language in the TV stations can opt out of the seasons canceled like that's that's thrown in.
00:25:40
There is something that, well, that's never gonna happen, but let's have it in there just in place because the seasons finished 74 straight years.
00:25:46
But we the thing that even like a diehard fans don't even know about because like it's deep down there in the contract language.
00:25:55
But that's where a lot of like that's where a lot of the revenue that we were talking about losing comes from because the TV contract, the TV, uh, that we're can opt out of their contracts if this season's canceled.
00:26:04
So it's, I mean, it's definitely it's definitely a mess, I mean, and that's like while he that's one thing that even me, who is somebody also never like Kyrie.
00:26:15
Let's be honest, fair.
00:26:16
So I didn't like him, but like that's one thing that he actually got wrong is that he's not one of people that safe with this because it's not just like he could lose it if he doesn't come in play.
00:26:25
If they rip up the TV contracts.
00:26:27
Everything's kind of because, like a lot of their caught, like the contract negotiations with the teams are based on the basketball revenue that's coming in.
00:26:33
If those things were canceled, the CB is ripped up.
00:26:36
Their contracts aren't safe.
00:26:37
Like so.
00:26:39
It is definitely something that, like that, like that, like that might be why people say, LeBron selfish, just family.
00:26:44
Whenever he didn't speak out against this stuff in China the beginning of the season because he was protecting his money, that could be part of it again.
00:26:50
I mean, obviously, he doesn't want off the court for activism, but that could be some of it again.
00:26:53
And I'm just giggle LeBron standard you'll find.
00:26:56
But like he knows that, like if anybody in many of these players know that he knows exactly everything about what's going on there.
00:27:02
So it's not limited to LeBron.
00:27:06
I mean, just a 1000 which was different.
00:27:08
Lori and then, um, there was really nothing more.
00:27:12
After that.
00:27:13
They pulled everything, and you just I mean, yeah, there's closed door discussion on that for sure.
00:27:18
but there was.
00:27:20
I mean, there's nothing public.
00:27:21
There just wasn't No, especially like a lot of the people here that are typically activists like Steve.
00:27:26
Like it's not just LeBron.
00:27:27
Steve Kerr is looking him and pop right now are the most vocal people in all of sports.
00:27:33
And they didn't say anything about that either.
00:27:34
So I'm not blaming LeBron.
00:27:35
Trust me.
00:27:36
I'm just example of why you might not be speaking right now.
00:27:41
Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, I think that this is something the bar I would I mean, obviously where I'm gonna monitor it.
00:27:47
And me and Cam kind of got into this honors when we were just talking off the air yesterday.
00:27:50
It's just that I will freely admit that I'm more I'm generally more liberal and not in a political sense, but in the sense that I'm all for everything that's going on.
00:28:00
I was about about the protest.
00:28:02
I want all of this any kind of social justice reform we can get.
00:28:06
Right now, I am 100% for so I am a little become a little bit more sympathetic to Kyrie is the messenger.
00:28:11
I don't think that he's ever necessarily been perfect, but he's obviously not stupid.
00:28:16
Like he There are points that he's making the do make sense.
00:28:20
Are they all perfect? Absolutely not.
00:28:23
But no matter what, I'm gonna watch the basketball that comes back.
00:28:26
So I feel kind of hypocritical sitting here and criticizing it and maybe saying Do I think the season should come back because, like, if it comes back, I know I'm gonna watch.
00:28:34
So I feel weird criticizing it because, I mean, I've been nervous since the start way.
00:28:40
You could go back and check this like the stretch threes and stuff like that.
00:28:43
Back in March, when we talked about this, I was I was nervous about a season coming back in general, just because I mean, while, well, I like my feel good of the entertainment of watching stuff get played.
00:28:52
I'd rather it be in the best way possible.
00:28:56
So we'll see.
00:28:58
And like, the comment of that kind of is exactly I'm saying, like they say they have this this place where they can stand up to speak on things.
00:29:06
But I forget who it was.
00:29:07
I think Lou Williams that said that you say that this will distract from what's going on.
00:29:12
But if you're coming to a game or staying home and watching a game been going to the protest, it is distracting.
00:29:18
So we say that they'll let them speak out about it, and they've left them where, like shooting triple stuff in the past.
00:29:23
But when Kaepernick was kneeling during the anthem and they nixed that real quick, so until they actually let them be active, because during that time it was that's all that it once was.
00:29:33
That was what they focused on in SportsCenter.
00:29:35
That's what they focused on.
00:29:37
What I mean, it was good.
00:29:39
No, I'm just saying What I mean is that the FDA came out said they weren't allowed to do it and they would have to find some up, some other way to protest.
00:29:46
Yeah, you're right.
00:29:47
So, yeah, I glossed over really quickly, but you're 100% right.
00:29:51
That is the focus was absolutely on it.
00:29:53
Yeah, I mean, I was exposure part of it, and I think that's again, a huge thing of where people are it.
00:30:00
Make sure it's distracting directly, but for how many weeks this will go on, people will start to just the whole general perspective of a will become tired of seeing the same thing.
00:30:13
So too, have the same, um, type of energy with a different sort of platform where everyone's watching and yeah, that might be there for the game.
00:30:21
But if there's a way that they could do this with interviews with, especially at the local level, I mean the regional, you have those just really intimate interviews with players before the game after the game.
00:30:33
Pro press conference, whatever.
00:30:34
Whatever the media is allowed to do, I don't know yet, Um, but because you know, they might have to keep their distance.
00:30:40
I watched up.
00:30:41
I was like, It's bowling.
00:30:42
It was this really weird bowling thing on Fox where they had, you know, they had two guys.
00:30:45
Bowling is like a race to give May strikes as you could and three lanes.
00:30:48
And then they had the interview.
00:30:50
But the microphones were separate.
00:30:51
They had an attachment.
00:30:53
Um, and the reporter was there, but she was keeping her distance, and that's probably we're going to see no.
00:30:59
Whenever the re are able to resume, whether it's local or national level to, I mean, that's That's definitely something that it'll look weird.
00:31:06
Trust me, if you haven't seen that bowling thing, your doll? No, it was very odd.
00:31:12
I mean, it was just she had a microphone, but she didn't do this.
00:31:15
Like you said, you can't do you think it was? You know there's Zachary.
00:31:19
I'll say that.
00:31:20
But I mean, that's That's the new norm that we're gonna have to use to at this point.
00:31:23
So and the Korean Baseball League putting like stuffed animals in the crowd.
00:31:29
I saw a picture of that and I was pretty like, not in a bad way.
00:31:33
But I was like, floored like it was Jari on.
00:31:35
There were maybe two K audio.
00:31:39
Yeah, for how trash that you Honestly, I'd rather hear the players.
00:31:42
You know, there's PG 13 and R R rated stuff, but that would be entertaining because Melo gets his way through that.
00:31:49
Anyway, he gets his way into the cameras and into the audio.
00:31:53
Probably a few other players.
00:31:54
But, um, yeah, that's something I wish you know if there was, You know, if there was a different broadcast, you could watch where this is heart rated and just to hear what they're saying, and I'd be kind of like what they did for the last dance were like it was on ESPN, and that was like the mature one.
00:32:08
And on ESPN two.
00:32:10
Yeah, we would have to watch out of six years games.
00:32:12
I was going back and looking at some of the stuff from the indeed call towns fight this year.
00:32:16
And I was just like, Oh, that could be interesting, like Doug not to bring that up can.
00:32:21
And it's a sore subject for you.
00:32:23
But I mean, would you have liked to hear that? Yes, I I would love to see what and being what it beats said.
00:32:29
Because, you know, he's kind of a jerk, and that's, uh and they always have something to say.
00:32:36
It is better than everybody else to like.
00:32:38
He's he's established himself as a winner.
00:32:40
He's better.
00:32:41
That's just that has more skill than you may have been.
00:32:45
70. Just you win first.
00:32:49
Yeah, way conducted more about the sixties that another day.
00:32:53
Obviously, God knows who they'll even be, but we don't know who will even be bashed up with At this point.
00:32:57
I just It's I was doing research about something and I saw that I was like, Ooh, I could mention out the camp tonight.
00:33:02
Really appreciate that.
00:33:03
I can't I can't mess with you about Wiggins anymore.
00:33:05
So I gotta find something the But the biggest thing I'm interested in is the 22nd next Monday when they are allowed to.
00:33:15
It's like the free agent period or whatever There, that'll be interesting.
00:33:20
Yeah, So I mean, there's there's plenty of open Ross response and even they were talking about those eight teams that aren't part of this to do something a little bit different with many camps or I don't know what it was, but it's something like that.
00:33:32
From what I remember, Um, you guys don't talk about It's like, uh, I know that they mentioned something and I only know this because it was They paired the Pistons and the Cavs together, I think, basically, because a location or whatever, but I know they had talked about maybe holding some scrimmages or something like that because both teams have some of the young players that are gonna be ableto practice for eight months, 10 months, and, uh, for somebody like me who's rooting for sacred Mboya when they developed 10 months.
00:33:58
Offer him is terrifying.
00:33:59
Like he's so raw.
00:34:00
He needs all the practice.
00:34:01
You can get this scary.
00:34:02
I mean, like, I mean, I don't lose that development time.
00:34:05
Let me take it all the way to the top.
00:34:07
You have Trey Young That is gonna offer how many months now and I'm not saying he's going to regress, But there is definitely that opportunity.
00:34:14
Where now the scouting report specifically on him.
00:34:17
You know, this is first All Star game.
00:34:19
You know, he's gonna be a way.
00:34:20
It could be swarmed way one often than he was this year.
00:34:23
And I know even that much to work with this year, but regardless, that's that's the kind of difference he's going to see.
00:34:30
And this is after him being off for how many months and how many Kallis times the other guys have had the advantage of playing again.
00:34:37
So I mean, that's again, those are all these different intricacies that is part of this new norm, and that's again something that it'll take a while for everybody to be on the same playing field.
00:34:49
It it just won't the normal.
00:34:51
It's unfortunate.
00:34:53
Ah, part of what's become to be the normal? No, uh, have they said anything about what the table's gonna do? Kim, I know Gerson Rosa's RGM was a big like advocate for having, ah, summer league with the remaining eight teams, which I don't know how easy that's gonna be to organize with all the stuff going on.
00:35:15
Um, but I know that they were at least interested in having some kind of basketball in between.
00:35:24
Like, that wasn't a part of the actual season, but was just, you know, like way were talking about earlier.
00:35:29
Just Exterminating pretty much, Yeah.
00:35:32
I mean, the only the only thing that I could even think of that if they were gonna do something else that wasn't just like unofficial scrimmages.
00:35:40
I know, I remember.
00:35:41
And we talked about this before about like, around the All Star break they were talking, doing like you could do, like in, like, the introduction of, like what the mid season tournament would be.
00:35:49
And you don't have any teams this time, but it would be like an alternate trophy.
00:35:52
Um, just like, because this is a time when we can try to develop things anyway.
00:35:57
Ah, they I know that before, like two years ago and the invention, this would be kind of anti thankful thing.
00:36:03
And if you're gonna involve all these eight teams there, the tanking team so you can kind of, I don't know you would put on as incentive to do that.
00:36:09
But like, it's something to consider.
00:36:10
And I It's at least interesting I when I was done watching Kristen's fastball for the year, it would definitely be nice toe to see a little bit more.
00:36:19
So if I'm gonna have to watch the Wizard, I wouldn't like to like to at least watch the fishing's again get bandwagon.
00:36:26
I mean, I'm gonna vote for LeBron.
00:36:28
I love LeBron.
00:36:30
So you was gonna be Lakers.
00:36:35
I love Anthony Davis.
00:36:36
I mean, I'm probably find the matter what I I obviously love the honest Um, I have, like, the old school boxy, honest jersey like the big purple beer across the chest.
00:36:46
So, uh, probably over effective in for most playoffs for the Pistons, eyes just picking players to root for just because my theme hasn't been in it.
00:36:55
So I'm like that with Lillard.
00:36:57
I always wanted him to do well in the playoffs, and I'm trying to get some other guys.
00:37:01
But he's always been the one on.
00:37:03
If I had to pick somebody on the other side, that's that's what I want to be successful.
00:37:06
And I wish they would have a better Siri's last year.
00:37:10
I kept saying, You know, they screwed every second quarter lead.
00:37:12
They had all four games in that series, the conference finals.
00:37:15
But that's whatever they didn't do themselves.
00:37:19
It was the same implosion every time.
00:37:21
I just said I was like Well, this is true Take three and they're gonna continue.
00:37:24
Let Draymond run up and down the floor and cause chaos and it works every time.
00:37:28
Yeah, I mean, that's It was so scripted, and I just hate seeing every second of it.
00:37:32
But yeah, um, I don't We didn't really address that comment in the chat.
00:37:37
I mean, it was kind of briefly and I don't think he's hearing anymore, But if I had to check, he's not here anymore.
00:37:44
He's so you mentioned the fluid situation resolved.
00:37:46
I mean, the question is what exactly does that it? Yeah, um, because we really don't know.
00:37:52
We really don't know, and there's not even just him.
00:37:54
But you've had plenty of other, um, unrelated while I'm indirectly related, but not directly the fantasy with other, um, Taylor's tell people still have up interested.
00:38:07
Like, I mean, is that what you mean by resolution? Or, I mean, if if the resolution is like complete police reform, you're gonna hold that you're never going to seasonal back because no, and like, that's that's what's so complicated about it and why Just staying off the social issues is tough because, yes, I want that to be a focus.
00:38:28
But like if we're gonna hold up everything until it's all resolved, you're never gonna come back to anything.
00:38:34
So I do understand what you're pushing back on, Eric saying that you can use this is a platform because if we just hold it off until everything's result were never coming back, no.
00:38:42
And I mean, the thing is, it's a lot of subjectivity with, I mean, the general racism is obviously the main problem.
00:38:49
But then people started throwing other things, too, not distract you, but it's just part it becomes.
00:38:56
Part of it is what I'm trying to say and that I think is where you start to add 234 other issues on top of it where you mean the social distancing, for example, is a huge part of it that people are willing to compromise and that's their decision.
00:39:12
They're allowed to do that.
00:39:13
Excuse me, are allowed to do that.
00:39:15
And that is something a lot of people don't like.
00:39:18
And then there's inconsistencies with all people can go.
00:39:20
Come protest the stay home order.
00:39:22
But then they don't like this other thing by Syverson.
00:39:26
I mean, that's it's all kinds of crap that Yeah, it won't.
00:39:30
It's not gonna go away.
00:39:32
It just isn't that, Yeah, protests are great.
00:39:37
They're great.
00:39:38
But the different platforms that they have access to them, what they think the n b a.
00:39:43
Being the most progressive organization out of all this, there's no question about it.
00:39:48
Um, not even just with, like Black History Month.
00:39:52
You have Hispanic Heritage Month.
00:39:53
I want to say you have one of the early months.
00:39:56
It's ah, I don't know the name of, but it's something to do with the troops and then tell her pride.
00:40:02
But now so I know their individual teams have done Pride nights? Yeah, league wide.
00:40:10
I know that a lot of their merchandise right now is pride, but, like, obviously it's freshman.
00:40:15
Yeah, and I don't I don't know if they'd be doing that.
00:40:17
Obviously, the finals were going on, but I know that they are being big about broadcasting that.
00:40:22
That's like, what? Like, I don't know, a bunch of different teams have put out like stories and stuff like that of fans and former players and stuff like that who have relatives, family members, whatever.
00:40:33
So they are definitely being more out spoken about that than other leagues, right? So I think that's exactly what should define the next movement.
00:40:43
Or, you know, the next, um, possible solution to what's going on is that is your opportunity.
00:40:50
You can't address a crowd like you can do with, um, normally at the beginning of the season, for example.
00:40:56
That's what they do.
00:40:57
We're gonna play hearts out for you.
00:40:58
You know, they say that same kind of B s that they say every season.
00:41:01
But I mean, the thing is, that is another thing.
00:41:04
It's that you're not gonna address the crowd, but everybody's watching from all the different places, and I think that's that could be the key to something different.
00:41:13
And you look at the NFL starting on time? Probably not.
00:41:17
I don't think it is well because the camps, everything that's supposed to start up in a couple of weeks, you know? I mean, there's just no way.
00:41:24
I mean, you need tohave mass testing everywhere, and you need people to be compliant, and that's unfortunate.
00:41:30
Part of it is that people just don't care, not everybody cares.
00:41:33
And when 50% doesn't care, that's why 100% of us are affected.
00:41:37
Um, so that's unfortunate, but that's the kind of a rat.
00:41:42
Yeah, I I I want go back to that comment.
00:41:47
I think since Allen Iverson, like it's been a huge outburst of expressing black culture in basketball and using the N va as maybe even before that, that I'm not aware because I believe in um But I know he was a massive advocate for that and like even off that, like it's the end has become a huge platform.
00:42:11
Like like we talked about Jalen Brad going to protest Malcolm Brogdon going to protest LeBron protest ing.
00:42:16
Like all these guys trade young and there's countless Yonas, even all these.
00:42:22
I think it would be.
00:42:24
I don't disagree with you that there something has to change because it hasn't changed for however many 100 years, 500 years.
00:42:32
Yeah, right.
00:42:33
And but I think using this as something to shed light on that facts and because there are probably unfortunately, race is people who are in the offense and they if they see that, it's like, Hey, this guy, these players, whatever.
00:42:51
You know what I'm talking about? Like, I think it would just be a massive platform to use against police brutality against racism in general.
00:43:00
And I think it could really, you know, sparks and change.
00:43:04
Yeah, Yeah, Any time I've said that, like, I didn't necessarily think that, but that I wasn't sure of.
00:43:10
It is it is ah, like the platform to do it.
00:43:12
It's just because I don't want to tell other people how to protest.
00:43:15
And, um, I like I like 1st 1 to admit it like eso like I've never had.
00:43:24
I never didn't do anything like this.
00:43:26
So the last thing I'm going to do is to tell somebody how to help to feel on how to express those feelings.
00:43:32
Um, so I think that's the biggest reason why I wanted to just step back and listen.
00:43:36
Because while I absolutely empathize and I'm trying to relate and I'm trying every day to get better at relating, like I just have never been there.
00:43:47
So, like, I'm just listening and that's that's that's been and I'm not saying that you guys weren't But obviously I think that we're all on the same page in that regard.
00:43:54
Ah, so that's all it is.
00:43:56
Um, yeah, I understand what the commenters saying, Um, but I just I think that they that they do have to come back at some point, and I don't think that's what the players are saying either.
00:44:08
Is that that's the only reason why they wouldn't want to come back.
00:44:10
I know some people would rather go protest and come back and play, and if that's what they want to dio, I'm not gonna tell them not to do that.
00:44:16
So ah, it'll be complicated for sure.
00:44:20
Um, one other thing that I wanted to mention about that everything that's come out.
00:44:24
It's another report that came up, spun off today, and this is significantly more positive.
00:44:28
Um, and actually, kind of interesting.
00:44:31
One of I forget which team executive brought it up.
00:44:33
But they said that, um, if given the way the season is looking to go, next season might be shortened to accommodate it so that the not like, what is a 2122 would come back on a same time.
00:44:47
So how do you How would you guys feel about maybe like and abbreviated like, kind of what we have from a lockout shortened season coming up next year rather than trying to start in December and in July and kind of complicate things further came Howdy.
00:45:00
We'll start with you because I feel like we kind of cut you off sometimes.
00:45:03
So how do you feel? How do you feel about, ah, the idea of a shortened season next year? Um, I if they do it correctly on for it, if they do it where it's spaced out And because the lockout season, like you said was so crunched into a box like 65 it out.
00:45:20
Uh, some around there was 60 years.
00:45:22
Something 56.
00:45:24
Okay, if you spread it out, where all of the back to back stuff is gone.
00:45:29
Um, and you're not having guys on that like, so I have to sit out because of back to backs.
00:45:37
That's a whole another topic that we won't get into.
00:45:40
Um, I think uncomfortable putting 82 games.
00:45:48
Then they should not have to play a game like if they're worried about their health.
00:45:54
It's a big like that's That's an issue.
00:45:56
And I think it could easily be fixed.
00:45:59
Like if there's a shortened season, but over the same amount of time.
00:46:03
Sure, there's less going on every night, but you're still getting like you might lose.
00:46:10
Lose out on the 20 regular season games where all of the playoff seeds are set anyways.
00:46:15
And it's like you're still going to get that excitement, though, because at the same time they're still playing games.
00:46:21
It's not like you're missing out on the playoff races and all the excitement of the season and then you still in the playoffs.
00:46:28
Like I think a shortened season would make a lot of sense, um, the playoffs and keep the same yeah, the seven game series, because I think it works out well.
00:46:37
But if we went a 65 game season or even down toe like 60 fine by me.
00:46:45
Care about you? Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is they.
00:46:51
For years they've been trying to reduce back to backs.
00:46:54
They eliminated the three games in a row to help for player safety.
00:47:00
And when you go four months, which is it's it'll be 4 4.
00:47:04
5 months if we are scheduled to do July 30th of not playing and a teams aren't participating in this half of the well.
00:47:13
So six teams were eliminated after eight games, the half of that on after another Siri's.
00:47:19
So they're really not playing much anyway.
00:47:20
Then they're off for another, UM, five months for most of those teams.
00:47:24
That will be 34 more months, and then then you're gonna jump into a new season like there's just no way they're going to do that.
00:47:31
There's no way they're gonna be healthy enough for a full season.
00:47:33
That's why I said, now is the possible time where not rushing you back.
00:47:37
But it's your unique opportunity to and just get your face value of what this team is gonna look like next.
00:47:44
You're not even just with Brooklyn, but with other teams that have players that have come back from injury in Orlando, said a bunch of injury problems.
00:47:52
The Sixers, Pacers, the Mavs.
00:47:55
I think we're on that list of They weren't exactly big players, but it was still part of the rotation.
00:48:01
And for me, that's again.
00:48:04
A big problem is that you look at the health where it's a little bit different if you're gonna jump right back in to an 82 game season, condensed.
00:48:13
So you're playing more games and granted, we don't know what's going to go on with traveling at anything, but that's a big part of it, too.
00:48:20
If they do have to travel as well again, it takes the toll you get in at 4 a.
00:48:24
m.
00:48:25
You got to get up to shoot around, and that's all part of it.
00:48:26
And that's what they're trying to reduce.
00:48:28
So going back into it for a season, you could see catastrophic injuries appear way more than normal.
00:48:35
So it's it's gotta be condensed season.
00:48:36
It's got to go 60 even look towards 50.
00:48:39
I mean, I think that's probably a good idea Yeah, yeah, because people get all you can't break records.
00:48:46
Well, screw the records.
00:48:47
I mean, that's that's the thing with baseball, where it's like 162 games and they don't want excluding right now.
00:48:53
But previous season, I think 1 20 is perfect for baseball because it's not a lot.
00:48:58
But it's also, you know, you could still play a bunch of games, and it's way more than every other league.
00:49:02
It's not even close.
00:49:04
That's just my personal base by the 160 years away to money.
00:49:07
And everyone's like Oh, but that nobody could break any records and it's like, Well, it's like that's all using adjust anything.
00:49:12
There's a reason why a bunch of these teams can barely get anybody in the upper section.
00:49:17
It's because there's too many games and it's not.
00:49:19
It's kind of it's weird economically, but it's like you look at if there were fewer games.
00:49:25
People are more interested in attending because those opportunities don't exist.
00:49:29
It's like, Yeah, I can go to a game any day of the week versus okay, if it's three times a week, then you know, I'm gonna make sure that that's the game I can go to or where a team is 50 games under 500 at the 100 game Mark.
00:49:39
You know, that's nobody's gonna care at that point.
00:49:42
So you need to Yeah, that's a warrant.
00:49:46
I know the one.
00:49:47
Worry. A little doubt.
00:49:49
What's that? That's those are Yeah.
00:49:54
Yeah.
00:49:55
That is why the NFL sells out. Absolutely.
00:49:57
Because you know that your only eight home games like you if you want to go, you're gonna go when you can.
00:50:01
So I know the one worry with the condensed season, and obviously, if they cut it from 80 to toe, hopefully closure of the 50 s game Mark was they were There was mention of maybe bringing back four games in five nights.
00:50:14
And if you think players don't like back to backs, do you think they're gonna do that? People not just, like pick allies the world.
00:50:20
A lot of them will be very upset if you think they're going to be four games in five nights like that's just yeah, I mean, especially if you're gonna be like like you said, Eric, for the teams that stopped in March.
00:50:29
If they have nothing until they come back in December.
00:50:31
Their offer.
00:50:32
Nine months and you wanted to do four games in five nights.
00:50:34
Like that's just you're asking for a ton of injuries.
00:50:37
Yes.
00:50:38
So, um, do they have negotiation? I'm assuming they dio because there could easily be that lockout effendi is really forcing on.
00:50:46
Yeah, some kind of just grueling schedule.
00:50:50
There's no way they're going to do that.
00:50:52
There's just no way.
00:50:53
And then they're gonna no compromise and then come to something in the middle and which probably isn't optimal either.
00:50:59
Um, and I know there are sacrifices you have to make to try and get back to any form of normalcy, but it's just one of the players willing to do what air.
00:51:10
You know, What is your body say, what do the guys in their mid thirties say versus the guys that are 21 or whatever and that could probably handle it? Um, because, yeah, I mean, those guys that are in there exiting the prime, this is the last contract opportunity.
00:51:24
I mean, if you're thinking like Malcolm Brogdon, he needed to get his money because he's one of the older guys that came in in 2016.
00:51:31
I think that's right.
00:51:32
Um, but yeah, I mean, that's he needed to get his money, and that's where the fit was.
00:51:38
But they want to pay him.
00:51:39
So that was done.
00:51:41
Deal and go get your money.
00:51:42
Um, who? So, Yeah, I assume a lot like that's the other thing whenever we talk about how they could force lock out now, if they're threatening it now, that just makes me think it's coming someday, sometime down the line.
00:51:54
I know things are going great with TV deals or stuff like that, or they were before everything happened with the coronavirus.
00:52:00
But if they're threatening it now, that's not gonna be the last thread of it.
00:52:04
And if you're threatening it, that means it's very like something is gonna have to either change or it's gonna happen.
00:52:09
So it's gonna be a dicey next few years.
00:52:14
Months? I can't remember.
00:52:15
I think it's up.
00:52:16
It's supposed to be up after next season, so we wouldn't even be getting into this right now if everything didn't like multiple landscape of the world overall.
00:52:25
Um, so, yeah, it's gets definitely something to worry about.
00:52:29
Um, so we'll say.
00:52:32
I think the only other nb a news.
00:52:34
And you guys might not even know this because if if you like other teams, it's not really news.
00:52:38
But the pistons are narrowed down to their top three GM candidates today.
00:52:44
So, um, I'm pretty excited because one of them is like, I have one of the most from the start, Troy Weaver.
00:52:50
So, um, do you guys have any opinions on any of the candidates rather than the great about? I don't know. If us care.
00:52:57
You gotta pick the Peterson guy.
00:52:59
That's a really good.
00:53:00
You know, I heard that.
00:53:03
What was with Troy? Weavers with the thunder? Yeah.
00:53:08
Yeah.
00:53:09
Um, I guess you know that the they are Yeah, I know people were upset at first because they wanted us to either go after, like, the Chauncey Billups irritation prince.
00:53:27
Um, but they're looking for something a little bit more experienced because I mean, realistically were tanking, and we're not just talking, but it's gonna be a full one rebuild.
00:53:35
So whether or not they're trying to lose games is not really the questions.
00:53:38
This is not gonna be a quick fix.
00:53:39
So is it rebuild with Blake? I think they would have traded him, probably this summer if he didn't get hurt.
00:53:45
Uh, I don't They were not sold on that before, but whenever you're losing, if they weren't, they were on track to lose around 50 games.
00:53:53
Um, I think that if he that's the biggest issue with their season, is that he showed in inability to stay healthy, because now he's the biggest albatross.
00:54:03
It'll It wasn't just them.
00:54:04
Everybody sucked, correct was, but like everybody else is movable.
00:54:09
But when you're making $40 million you can't stay on the court, it's much tougher to move you.
00:54:13
It's not legal Russell Westbrook, where we're worried that he's gonna get hurt someday.
00:54:16
Blakes already there so like its if he if he has more years like this, instead of the years like last year, he becomes John Wall and not Chris Paul.
00:54:26
So that's that's the biggest worry right now.
00:54:29
But like he came out this week and he said, as long as he's here, he wants to do what's best for the team.
00:54:33
What that means.
00:54:34
No one really knows.
00:54:35
But, um, I said this to Cam yesterday.
00:54:38
We both laughed at it to give you an idea of how close we are to a rebuilt Luke Kennard.
00:54:42
Longest tenured piston.
00:54:45
So, yeah, it's ah.
00:54:48
Whether or not they wanted to be rebuild with Blake. I think we're there.
00:54:51
Um, that's why you give under drumming away for essentially nothing, that's like and I'm fine with that.
00:54:57
Like, I mean, I'd rather I'm tired of being in the middle.
00:54:59
I'm all for complete.
00:55:01
Competing for the 18 if you actually have a chance to like.
00:55:03
Like creating the West is a little bit different than the eighth seed in the East.
00:55:05
Even though the it seems very rarely gonna win, you look at them a little bit differently, whereas the HC means does it is typically gonna be at 500 or below and getting just dumpster in the first round id Rather bought about.
00:55:17
So, um, I'd rather go the guy that is key to them, like scouting and player development.
00:55:23
Which is why I like Troy Weaver out of Oklahoma City.
00:55:26
So that's interesting to me.
00:55:30
But I need a little a good Hello, Please.
00:55:34
No, it's something different.
00:55:36
Complete notes.
00:55:37
And let's not talk about pistons. They're terrible. Don't.
00:55:39
It's still about the Pistons, but it's more of their.
00:55:41
I've still firm believer that they were a top five team that faced a healthy Yeah, it's just that it was my biggest miss.
00:55:48
If you want to call it a miss on my preseason stand pre prediction standings, but and it's just you see those temperate units where they you're not able to see their full circle.
00:55:59
It's the same thing with the honest and Jabari, where they really never saw Christmas was part of that. He was injured.
00:56:05
Jabari has been injured twice.
00:56:07
You never saw the full circle with that.
00:56:08
And there's just a time where you don't have timeto continue to wait for it.
00:56:13
Which sucks because, you know, the Pistons were the eight seed you could.
00:56:17
You know, I know, question healthy.
00:56:18
They're better than Orlando.
00:56:19
They're better than Brooklyn.
00:56:20
I think the way Philly struck build this year, I think they could have been better than them to um, and it's just *** is we didn't see him.
00:56:27
When you add pieces like Luke Kennard is a really good shooter.
00:56:30
On top of what the previous talent core group Waas.
00:56:35
That's a team that had really been at something not necessarily contender.
00:56:40
But a playoff team that we saw your before with Kristen would with Christian would grant that we don't know what is playing time, what it really been Because what? The bucks he could never find a way in just cause they were so deep and they couldn't We thought was the same way, which that I never understood.
00:56:58
I thought he could have got minutes over Thon.
00:56:59
But you now have the same situation.
00:57:01
So you kind of Ah, your urine.
00:57:03
The I You're my shoes that I was in, um, a couple a year ago, so Yeah, it's Ah, if you remember, you probably I don't know if you do, but whenever you guys were picking, I think you Eric, you may pick them to be the five or six seed.
00:57:18
I think him with the rest.
00:57:19
Okay, I think you said six and I was like, I think that they are.
00:57:24
They have the talent for that.
00:57:25
But I'm not gonna pick it because I know they'll break my heart as because they always do that.
00:57:30
I'm going like I expected them to sneak in Is an eight seed? Um, I obviously that's not that was not gonna happen like before the season stop.
00:57:39
They were what they were.
00:57:41
One of the coldest teams in the league we'll talk about is the hottest team in the league stuff, But they want the courts teams in the league and there.
00:57:46
They finished only finished with the fifth best lottery odds, but only 1/2 game out of tying for second.
00:57:51
So, um, they just they stop.
00:57:54
They just could not win games.
00:57:55
I named between Luke in Art and Blake and Reggie Miss games frequently.
00:58:00
Dr Jackson. Of course he did.
00:58:02
Um, yeah, it was just It's a mess of a season, so I don't God pulled up the standings.
00:58:11
Cam was six. Cory was seven.
00:58:14
I was five.
00:58:15
I them the highest people.
00:58:16
Just I didn't believe in Pistons, I guess.
00:58:19
But I remember laughing.
00:58:22
I know for a fact that's what it was.
00:58:24
A maybe not five, but I still think seven or six was attainable and seeing how the season panned out, filling that playing very well, Pacers still didn't have a whole the Depo for the longest time.
00:58:34
So them being tied.
00:58:36
I still think that five was there but can't really say much. That's all hypothetical.
00:58:41
At this point, it was attainable.
00:58:43
Last year, two they were close, like I mean, the finished A.
00:58:45
But like until the last day of the season up, the six was variable, so like and then lately got hurt at the end of the season last year.
00:58:52
That's why they fell all the way back to eight.
00:58:54
But, like, I mean, I agree.
00:58:57
Obviously, I unbiased.
00:58:59
But like there's there was talent there.
00:59:02
I'm always gonna be a fan of Andre Drummond.
00:59:04
I I'm not necessarily sure that he could be even your second best player on a championship team. Fuzz.
00:59:09
He's very good.
00:59:10
I mean, I think that he's probably going to get overpaid just because if he wants something similar was contract Waas.
00:59:16
He's gonna be overpaid.
00:59:18
He's a good basketball player that I mean, he's not a star, but he is a good basketball player, and I will always appreciate what he did here.
00:59:26
So, um, yeah, it's it's a mess.
00:59:29
So it's kind of cool to see them being mentioned as because the last time they were in the running for a GM, they went withstanding Dundee, like, obviously wasn't GM it was president of basketball operations, but, like, not that, what about he was still the coach, right? Van Gundy was coach and president of basketball operations, and people do that.
00:59:46
That was the thing at the time.
00:59:47
If you remember, Cam was, I am tips just killed.
00:59:51
You know, that never made sense to me as a painting.
00:59:54
The dual role crap is Yeah, two vastly different things to manage.
00:59:59
And that's why he picked the Pistons over the Warriors because they gave him power and instead, the Warriors.
01:00:03
What was Steve Kerr? Funny how that works.
01:00:07
I still want to see Jeff Van Gundy get a coaching job because he's clearly itching to get back out there.
01:00:13
Any time you watch those ABC broadcast, he is like upset with the players.
01:00:18
I could just sense that he wants to scream at somebody, so maybe he'll get a spot.
01:00:23
Me, He's always the rumored him.
01:00:25
Mark Jackson.
01:00:26
You have, uh, Kenny Smith, those the ****yst guys, former players, former coaches.
01:00:32
So I mean, that's another thing, too.
01:00:34
With these teams uncertain futures, you have the mixture of Brooklyn.
01:00:38
Um, I'm missing.
01:00:40
One is women.
01:00:43
This is gently blaze bigger is bigger.
01:00:45
Said you're good actually leaving.
01:00:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:49
You gave him an extension, which again, he's This is his third stop being an interim converted into a coach, and it hasn't worked, So I'm not gonna knock the decision, But it's something where a proven track record doesn't exist.
01:01:04
So giving him a chance he's already had with teams of probably the same because it was was a Houston in Memphis.
01:01:13
Good Houston.
01:01:15
James Harden. So that didn't work.
01:01:17
And then the Grizzlies were in that.
01:01:20
I wouldn't say transition phase at the time, but they're still decent, right? So, yeah, that putting him with Cleveland? I don't That's the worst of the three, no question.
01:01:33
So it's not the Cavs worst coaching higher in the last year, though, So there's that.
01:01:39
That's unfortunate.
01:01:40
Mean that right away, you know, people were really hyped in that decision up.
01:01:44
Comparing him to, uh, coaches, other coaches that came over from the collegiate part of this with Billy Donovan, you had skew Fred Stevens.
01:01:53
Red Stevens.
01:01:54
Yeah, it's gonna say Scott Brooks and I knew that wasn't right ahead the Oklahoma City connection, and that wasn't right, but yeah, Brad Stevens.
01:01:59
I think it was in one more thermite.
01:02:01
Maybe he's not coaching a member.
01:02:03
Fred Hoiberg? Yeah, was one.
01:02:05
And that they really work because Chicago just sucks in general.
01:02:08
Um, but yeah, So I mean, we'll see a my missing any others because I think everybody in the West is safe.
01:02:17
Yeah, I think I like.
01:02:19
It's kind of like how we were unsure about Cleveland.
01:02:21
Chicago.
01:02:22
Still kind of unsure.
01:02:23
I know they just kind of got a new front office structure, and they are non committal toward spoiling.
01:02:28
Um, there's no way there's got to be no way.
01:02:31
I mean, I need a no carb packs isn't there, So I guess anything's possible, but yeah, anything to save a box, nothing would shock me with that thing.
01:02:41
Yeah, it's like, Do they do something else where they ah prioritized the coach? That means probably getting rid of Zach Lavine because they've had the biggest issues.
01:02:49
Um, um I don't think anyone said more issues Player to coach on that team.
01:02:55
No, but I don't think anyone there really like it.
01:02:57
Seems like all of the young guys really don't care for him, so I know that they're not necessarily whether or not you think those are the foundational young guys to build a future on.
01:03:06
I mean, I think you have to at least give it a shot and maybe get a coach that works with them.
01:03:10
So it's alarming because Lowry market and had a receding sop****re season like he and the Bones were one of most injured teams out of everybody, maybe not the most injured, but they're looking at the engine report every day.
01:03:25
There's like 12 names on this thing where it's like My God, I mean, most of them were probably questionable, but tohave that going into every night, where you have no clue who's going to be active or not, I mean, that's as a coach that would drive me like crazy, cause it's like I don't know how to game plan out of the way as a team that's already not very good.
01:03:43
And then my entire rosters.
01:03:46
I don't know if they're gonna be suiting up tonight or not.
01:03:48
Ah, the whole see down.
01:03:49
So that Z I mean, yeah, I don't think Boylan's a really good coach, but you also get a look at what he was given at some point.
01:03:58
I think a lot of coaching failures there, you know? I know the coaches like the main guy to go after, but this Bulls team wasn't going to be any good.
01:04:06
I don't I don't think why any people thought that.
01:04:10
And sorry, all those people that people really thought they could challenge for the playoffs and they were 12th on my list.
01:04:16
I had said, uh, Corey, Adam 11th candid having in the playoffs.
01:04:22
Te'o came intimates, I mean, but then eight seed was I had the Hawks at the eight seed, so I mean, that didn't work out, either.
01:04:28
I mean, I did have a chance close enough.
01:04:31
What's up? I don't have the Pacers in the playoffs.
01:04:34
So really, who's to say who's smart here? Really? That was my heart take of the summer, because I was I was.
01:04:39
I didn't believe I didn't think Sabonis was gonna be like Take the All Star Leaf and I was just like, Well, who knows when Deep was gonna come back? If I maybe I just wasn't a believer enough and Jeremy lands for them, though.
01:04:53
Yeah, I like.
01:04:54
I like the love of their moves.
01:04:55
I just didn't know there was necessarily gonna be enough.
01:04:57
Because I like, I thought, the fishing We're gonna be better.
01:04:59
I thought that Brooklyn was gonna be a little bit better than that ended up being so I think I just kind of value everybody else too much then more than I.
01:05:05
Really, because the Pacers seems fine, but they're always kind of just fine.
01:05:10
You don't even like, Yeah, there.
01:05:12
I never extremely impressive, but they're always rather competitive.
01:05:15
So right.
01:05:17
And that since Paul George Ah, Lance Stephenson, George Hill.
01:05:20
Roy Hibbert days now.
01:05:22
Yeah, they've been very mediocre.
01:05:25
I mean, they've all I kinda lived in that purgatory.
01:05:29
A well, eight seed five somewhere between six and eight. Yeah.
01:05:34
I mean, you get five is even previous seasons.
01:05:37
That 45 really hasn't been his competitive.
01:05:40
It could be, um, you did of Cleveland.
01:05:43
And in the end of the one season, But that went seven.
01:05:47
Do we believe it's that you're seven? With LeBron there at all? That's that's always tough.
01:05:53
Um, yeah, but yeah, we were going down here and Pistons five.
01:05:57
I had Ah, Toronto seventh.
01:06:00
Toronto wasn't very high on a lot of people's list, but they've been a huge difference maker.
01:06:06
I think only one had top three and cross the board.
01:06:10
Yes, that's that's pretty crazy and then, But we consistently had calves at the bottom, so that was good.
01:06:18
But even there we were kind of wrong because, like Kevin Porter with somebody that I didn't like and he's been really, really good for them, so I mean, yeah, it's Yeah, I guess that's probably the best thing you can say about the MBA right now, though, is even though they're sometimes they're just really bad.
01:06:33
There's still something positive you can take from a lot of them. So going.
01:06:36
***ton's had a really good season for them.
01:06:38
Yeah, I know it's like him and Kobe White have almost had.
01:06:44
I wouldn't say equal, but their roles of very, very similar when their volume scorers, they could get to the hoop whenever they want and that's part of the problem is that's all that team as really.
01:06:55
I mean, the Bulls do have Zach Lavine and they do have they're younger centers, but when the garden around your junior, he's never held the exactly kind of sections essentially by himself.
01:07:07
I mean, when we look at the grand scheme of things had Kevin Porter had a really good start.
01:07:12
Um, but again, they're young, they're in experience.
01:07:15
And that's part of growing pains that they're gonna have to endure for the next, probably three seasons at the minimum, cause I don't see them getting any crazy free agent coming their way.
01:07:28
Now, the Bryant's not coming back to save them.
01:07:33
So what? The Cavs aren't the worst team out there? I mean, the Knicks are still have you got there? Still a Dumpster fire? They are.
01:07:43
And the Hornets probably proved everybody wrong outside of Chris for some reason.
01:07:47
Had them 11th.
01:07:49
But everybody else was bottom three.
01:07:50
Most momentum last time.
01:07:52
Last I thought they were terrible, and they're just Maybe they're not good, but there Not terrible.
01:07:58
Yeah.
01:07:59
I mean, they kind of when you're I'll go ahead.
01:08:04
Really? Really? Yeah.
01:08:09
But people, um No.
01:08:14
Okay.
01:08:19
What? I believe it.
01:08:28
Would they when I did, you get any of that are No.
01:08:40
I got some of it.
01:08:42
I got bits and pieces, but it came.
01:08:43
I know that you said that.
01:08:44
It sounds like you said that a lot of people came and made jumps for the Hornets.
01:08:47
Like I heard several players.
01:08:49
Yeah, I just get hurt.
01:08:50
Heard some names.
01:08:51
Like I thought you said Maliki.
01:08:52
I thought you said ah.
01:08:53
Heard Malik Monk? Yeah.
01:08:55
I mean, And what the green was like hot in the beginning of the season to so, like, there's something there, but I just I've never been a Terry Rozier fan, so I'm not really get to hide them about what they're doing.
01:09:08
So we've I don't know if he has really, since we've gone for well, like a little bit over an hour at this point.
01:09:15
So I think we kind of covered everything is the point. Yeah.
01:09:19
So I'd say for the first lead weekly show, we're doing pretty good, so I wouldn't call it there for the night.
01:09:29
Yeah.
01:09:30
Alright, guys.
01:09:31
Well, out there.
01:09:32
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:09:33
Thank you for joining us tonight.
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I know that it's ah, probably

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