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00:00:21
big Old Bear and what feels like something that's had a little bit, at least from the rumor standpoint, let eggs over the last handful of months.
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Um, you know, you go all the way back will take a second here just to make sure that we give Ah, Matt an opportunity to join when he's thready.
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But when you go back to the time frame around Kobe 19 when it was first coming up, right, And, of course, Rudy Gobert sat there, two news podium made a joke about it.
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It was a little bit cavalier, touched down on all the microphones and then left.
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She ended up, of course, testing positive.
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And then some of the team of the Utah Jazz also came down with it.
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So that was kind of the little bit of a nugget, right? That was the thing that made some of maybe the other issues beyond.
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That starts a bubble to the surface and Donovan Mitchell, the hot on the scene, saying, I have some problems here and he came out immediately, of course at the time and said, I'm not necessarily excited about the idea of having a player like this who was so cavalier around around the cove in 19 situation.
00:01:27
But even beyond that, it was more to the point of these guys have had issues just in game and feeling like they were having a I'll say cohesive communication, working well together.
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Ah, that being the case now, you're starting to have these conversations about a contract year a year from now.
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One more season for Rudy Gobert before he enters into a potential extension.
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And the idea of what might the Jazz look to do here? Obviously, he still has tremendous upside.
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Ah, and he pairs well and complements well to Donovan Mitchell's gained.
00:02:02
But Donovan Mitchell is the future, while Rudy Gobert has been the Stallworth there for a while.
00:02:09
What is it going to look like if you need to move on from him? Potentially so we'll take one second here just to make sure that we get this link, set up four Matt Brooks to join in, and then we will start to talk a little bit about what our expectations are as far as the possibilities of where we think, ah player like Rudy Gobert could be traded.
00:02:30
What teams might be in a position toe look at him as the short term answer in terms of championship goals.
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Utah Jazz.
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I don't know if rate now or in this next window of a couple of years feel like they're at that championship caliber level.
00:02:44
You look out there in the West and you think about the Clippers.
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You think about the L A Lakers and maybe if you want to be, ah, GM or organization that tries to not just think about things right now, but goes a little bit further down the line.
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You say, Listen, we love what Rudy Gobert has done for us, but if we're not going to be at Western Conference finals finals appearance ready, then at that stage, we need to consider about the value that we can get back for this player.
00:03:12
So you know, the first thing we take that I don't want to take a look at here was, who else is gonna fall into that class? And also, where do the Utah Jazz stand? From a cap standpoint, Currently, this year, active roster cap is at 118 million.
00:03:25
They have about a little over eight million in debt cap, so total coming with 1 27 and they have just under 20 million in cap cities.
00:03:33
Well, you look over this roster, you know that you've got ah, Connolly.
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Goldberg got Bogdanovich.
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There is Well, some of the bigger numbers that are on here that are probably movable ones might be something like a Jordan.
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Clarkson is 27 taking up nearly 13.
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5 1,000,000 on the cap.
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Beyond that, though, then you get into you know, Joe Ingles.
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He's 31 now, but only costing you just under 12 year that the bigger numbers are Rudy Gobert a 25 million, essentially ah, 32 million for Connolly Bogdanovich there at 17 million.
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By the way, a lot of Mitchell remember on that contract was 23 years old, making 3.
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6 million.
00:04:11
So it's not like we're really getting, you know, a really a big hit there right now for them, so maximizing that value is important as well.
00:04:19
And as we see Matt Brooks has joined him.
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I'm away for him to sit down here, and it's perfect, because this way, I don't have to go too.
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Deep down this rabbit hole before I get Matt on.
00:04:29
There is if it quite that hair buddy court that here right up as they will get himself situated there on our of course SportsCastr co hosting feature, and will continue to kick around some of these numbers.
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And then I already started to have some of these thoughts around possible trade partners in this.
00:04:50
And if they were going to go that route, I also have my more maybe specific thoughts around the idea as if this is ever going to be the case for Rudy Gobert being moved on from from the Utah Jack.
00:05:01
We'll find out soon enough.
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Hello? Hello, sir.
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How are you? Hello, Good, sir.
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Did I know you're a good man off into this? Well, what have you been that? That's the best part about the new SportsCastr Coast feature.
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Is that you? Just my God, You come rate in it.
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Just like a moderate like that. Sorry.
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Yeah, I did it out yet.
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Oh, that's right. It No.
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All right, well, listen, this is true.
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This is traveling fire.
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Thanks for coming in.
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Thanks for coming into my head is a globe.
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Right now this thing is I have never looked.
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Have never looked more zoomed into It is their right.
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It zoom out of this.
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I don't know from adjustment standpoint.
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I think that's you, man. This is it.
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This is just comparatively.
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My head has never felt more reasonably sized than it does right now. That's ridiculous.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why wasn't your movement.
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You're the face, the face of the franchise, you know? I mean, you got to get that.
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You got to get out of the camera's.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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This is this is my head shot right here.
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That yet? You're good.
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What? What did I what did I bounce it on? Just out of nowhere? Well, that was no.
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So I was glad you came in is quick as you did because I was just started.
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Scratch the surface of it.
00:06:21
The idea of this now saying the trade trade rumors right around Goldberg.
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This popped, um um after cove in 19.
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It seemed like that was the breaking point for maybe Thompson Mitchell, where he was like, case.
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You're wondering I've had a problem, this guy for a while, and this is just like the straw that broke the camel's back for him.
00:06:39
And that's where all this stuff it started to bubble up about those Mitchell really like playing with him? And would the Jazz be in the march to possibly move on from home? So the first thing, the first thing I just highlight it was the cap space right now for the Jazz.
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They got about 20 million, including the dead cap.
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So they have.
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They have some real flexibility because Mitchell is on such a reasonable team deal right now, Um, and there's somebody like a Jordan Clarkson making 13.
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5 1,000,000 on.
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Then you really just get into the Connelly's and, you know, go Bayer at 25 there.
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So they have some flexibility as far as during being able to bring in some other big name bodies.
00:07:13
But let's just on the surface Do you think that there's riel potential legs to this, because the one thing that I started to question myself was, do the Utah Jazz look at this roster right now and think we're Western Conference finals were finals appearances over next couple of years because you got both L.
00:07:30
A teams, and if you don't.
00:07:32
Then I think that that's the first card to say maybe moving Goldberg would make sense that, um, it's tricky because he's a big part of what they dio.
00:07:44
So that's kind of like why I'm not really sure what they look like without him in a lot of ways.
00:07:50
So if you move somebody like Rudy Gobert, I mean, who honest of the Jazz like defensively really tailed off quite a bit this year? That's kind of been there, what they're built off of.
00:08:00
So if you move somebody like Rudy, go bare, what is your identity exactly? Like Donovan Mitchell's have had a very nice year.
00:08:07
Um, efficient volume score, which is what you're looking for.
00:08:12
Ah Bogdanovich is a really nice player, a little bit older, and then after that, it's like I don't really know what this team is in a lot of ways, So I would assume what they would do before they move Rudy go bare or, you know, if if they don't because the thing is like if they don't agree to an extension, then it becomes a little bit of like, OK, Rudy, go bear.
00:08:34
He's been an All Star this last year.
00:08:36
Um, he's always in the running for all India at his position.
00:08:40
This is a guy that thinks most likely pretty highly of himself as a player, and he deserves it.
00:08:44
He's one defensive players of the year.
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He's, I think, the big reason the Jazz are where they are.
00:08:50
But if they aren't able to agree to an extension, I would wonder about him leaving.
00:08:55
But my assumption is that they try to move that Conley deal and just it's not gonna be easy.
00:09:02
But if there's a way to move that and move money around that way and bring somebody in that fits them a little bit better, they were just better when they had the ball on Donovan Mitchell's hands.
00:09:12
That's kind of like what this came down to this year was like, you know, there was all this.
00:09:16
It was funny because last year you watched them in the playoffs and you know Donovan Mitchell.
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He has this horrifically horrific playoff experience playoff, I guess, the second playoff experience and it all came down to like, well, there's just not enough help around him.
00:09:33
Mike Conley.
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I don't know if that was the help you needed.
00:09:35
I think Brooke on a ***** was a much better suit to that.
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It wasn't necessarily a backcourt partner.
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He needed a guy like Bogdanovich who can create his own shot a little bit.
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I also really, really works well off the ball and doesn't require the bonnet stands.
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Might have been the perfect fit for somebody like Donovan Mitchell.
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So I would you would move it that way.
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They wouldn't trade really go there just yet.
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No one, Because you think, too, that, like, maybe that was the experiment that you thought was gonna work out of having Donovan not have to be on the ball all the time.
00:10:05
And all of a sudden it will free him up and make it easier with Connolly there, then just trial.
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But, you know, trial by error, you find out.
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Oh, actually, we needed to have the ball in his hands, which makes Connolly.
00:10:15
They look like a little bit of a of the worst move there to get him in the door.
00:10:18
The only thing, I guess, cause the hard thing is too is you're right.
00:10:22
It's like, say that you're you want to move on from Conley.
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No matter what. Because the max contract.
00:10:27
And then if you rule on for ago bear like you're talking about, then just sitting Mitchell.
00:10:32
Alright, man. Thank you.
00:10:34
It's you on this island that I don't think that that's a market where you can afford to give up something.
00:10:39
Give up what you know for the unknown.
00:10:41
And then maybe find yourself two or three years down the line being like boy we've really loved without of the Mitchells given us and unfortunately, there are enough pieces around it.
00:10:49
And a lot of those pieces, like you mentioned Joe Ingles like all these guys were getting older.
00:10:52
So now you're talking about meeting Teoh infused with youth around him.
00:10:56
The interesting thing that I will say so the first thing is Gobert and Mitchell.
00:11:01
Even if they don't like each other, they complement each other perfectly like rapture, rapture, making something that I've been like, Really, I have enjoyed noodling around lately uh, Mitchell net negative on the defensive end, but really good on the offensive end.
00:11:14
Gobert giving you nothing offensively necessarily but extremely efficient on the defense event number one and wrapped a rating in the league So that's that balance of of what? You don't have to worry about his Mitchell, and not that you're looking for entity defending at the rim or something.
00:11:27
But that's the compliment that you're getting out of these guys right now.
00:11:31
If I go away, if I go down the road of the possibility because I think idea of, if they don't sign him, would they consider trading well, of course they could.
00:11:39
They would, because we don't have him on the extension.
00:11:41
You're not just going to play out his final year and then say thanks so much, you know, enjoy the open market.
00:11:46
He's an expiring contract at that point.
00:11:48
Attractive, still now attractive.
00:11:50
Just about anybody, especially in this market.
00:11:52
Which, by the way, could be, um, could be tricky the next two year.
00:11:57
Yeah, there's a lot of other.
00:11:59
There's a lot of other things happening around that, too, as far as what other teams will look to dio.
00:12:03
So I'll throw this idea because I started to think about what some of the other teams that line up in the same range that will have young centers that potentially could be a nice swap if these air teams that are looking to win championships.
00:12:15
This came up there along the way.
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At some point, of course, I'll go Homer the Brooklyn Nets, or, you know that's an attractive scenario where you go Jared Allen, a guy that I'm a fan of.
00:12:26
But, hey, you want to get a young center that isn't nearly as proven and you want a Spencer game with your cares liver, whatever these other pieces may look like, the Nets are in a win now mode over the next couple of years and already well into luxury tax.
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So they're not gonna buy up a little bit extra the other one.
00:12:41
That, though, that the scratch my brain was the Miami Heat and saying, and it's not a like for like necessarily like Obama auto Bio again, another young player that personally I would keep them, I think, because of so that the Heat are an interesting team because they are like we talked about how the the Jazz or between eras almost there between errors.
00:13:06
But like in a way, that's positively kind of what the Celtics we're shooting for within that Kyrie and they had Jalen and and Jayson Tatum kind of representing that Nextera.
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I like the heat for.
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In that way, I would I would probably refrain from doing that just yet.
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Started.
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T cut you well, but that's so interesting, right? Like when? When Miami brings in Butler, it re infuses them in a way.
00:13:29
But I think you're like, I think you're right, though he's really the stem the Tide guy for them while they're while some of these younger pieces get ready to take over the team as opposed to being like, I don't know, I attorneys to think that Pat Riley with how they feel, But I don't in my mind, I don't look at it as we brought in Butler for a championship run.
00:13:47
I look at it more as it keeps its really competitive, keeps it in the playoffs, which is the with the Miami Heat.
00:13:51
Have done a great John it.
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Right? So another one, I'm thinking I'm just trying.
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Think it seems that could use him on could use a center.
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Um, Golden State would be an interesting destination.
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I don't know, like if they could dio, if you're going about where their pick lands, If they got that pick and say Wiggins to make salary match or if they were like, Yeah, I mean, you could even do like a dream money.
00:14:21
So that was pretty interesting to me.
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Just thinking of this off the top of my head.
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I'm just trying to like spitballs something quick, but that's pretty cool.
00:14:30
But even like you said, like you think about because I think everyone's consensus is kind of like Draymond Green is the first guy that's gonna fall off a cliff if he hasn't kind of already shown that.
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You know that little inclusion like this is not going to look good. And neither is that contract.
00:14:43
But for the downside, there is, like in Let that pick folds in a really sweet spot for Utah.
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It's gonna take more like, Hey, do you wanna down? So you want a down sliding Draymond green for the Utah Jazz like that? That's the problem.
00:14:57
Action that up.
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But even just the top of your head throwing that out there of the Golden State warriors, injuring themselves into a lottery pick and then using it to bring in a 28 29 year old Rudy Gobert that immediately they get catapulted right back up and you talking about the Western three.
00:15:13
The West dominated by three teams, all in California.
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It's pretty sweet.
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That seems pretty sweet because, I mean, you think about like what he isn't and that's pretty much an offensive threat.
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I'm trying like I'm just gonna think of a destination where that really wouldn't matter all that much.
00:15:28
I mean, you worry a little bit about, like, if they're gonna be that switch double, but I mean, you know what then? Like, I think that dream is kind of done it, or it will be done in the next couple of years, depending upon what Draymond looks like.
00:15:39
It's an interesting way to give it into the next generation.
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I guess, of warriors basketball.
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It's a deficit.
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And I think it's a total philosophy change in a way offensively, that you just get so much out of clay and stuff that I think that you almost you don't really worry about having him in the in the ah, in crunch time.
00:15:58
Those guys just can I really that twosome is incredible, but defensively they be different.
00:16:04
It would be a different look.
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A team that would shift toe like a drop coverage team almost.
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And I don't know.
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I have to go to a veteran team that says he said, taking a big swing it for things.
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And what better team is there in the league right now at that, then Golden State? Yeah.
00:16:22
I don't know why I just thought about Ah, uh I thought about how many pieces how many players are movable on what other perspectives like, for example, Anthony Davis doesn't like to play center real them.
00:16:36
He likes to be a power forward, okay? And LeBron can be really dominant if you if you slide him down to the shooting for the beautiful Orbit.
00:16:44
Like if I want to have fun, you know, if you know, maybe on they just don't get it over with Lakers and let him be a dominant defensive anchor for them and create the three piece there like anything, even if it is for a two year, You know that short two year stint like that tight window that you're talking about.
00:17:01
I take like Dwight and travails minutes effectively.
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I like that.
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You know, it's just like it's also about teams that are willing to throw totally into the idea of Brooklyn about whether that works, Not just like, who don't care right now.
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Money is no object.
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We'll deal with whatever the ramifications are.
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We just want to try to bank some championships as quickly as we can, Like those of the teams that have you willing to sacrifice because one of the other ones like looking at those young contract that are coming up and you come across, like, 18 there in Phoenix.
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We're like, Yeah, but what is Phoenix want gold? What? I won't go bare for on Phoenix right now as opposed to whatever eight is gonna turn into over the course of it.
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So, like, those are some of the interesting ones, too.
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I wanted to, man.
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This time that was I want to pull up Boston's.
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I would I would get about that if you would not be funny.
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If Hayward was back in Utah, I think sends a factor.
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The third guy, that was really Yeah.
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See you later, man.
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We'll start our rebuild and then three years looking to go, I think they'll be interesting.
00:18:02
Like if you if you throw him and they're just is like one more cow because they needed that rebounder and, uh, and just like I, I think there's a couple of things that they could use.
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I think they could use another shooter, So obviously you're not getting that.
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But you do get a rebounder and, like Total Rim protector.
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Although I liked ice, I think he's really good.
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I think he's an underrated player, but ah, you know, if you give them one more option like they have, like the switch Hable you know, so a little bit stretchy center.
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And then you also have like a Rudy Go Bear.
00:18:31
That's a pretty that teams got like one or two guys at every single position, which is a total bounty tohave.
00:18:38
So who's looking at it as a total aside, that, like that Boston team, is just so funny to see, like how well balanced they've been over the years and then now, like it's like Tatum is just about ready to really launch himself off.
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And you're like, Oh, so I guess we'll just be good now for another like there, another 5 to 7 years away from having real concerns about not being a top four seed knees.
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Yeah. Which is Feels insulting as the next man.
00:19:01
Yeah.
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I mean, you know, it is.
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It is only a couple of nets fix doing all the dirty work, So, uh, yeah, yeah, it even worse.
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So I was just thinking about, like, on the surface.
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This is a Nets fan in general, let alone the fact that they're being fueled by literally.
00:19:14
Aren't what could have been our roster fix? How about ah, How about the pelicans? So you're taking me What? Would you What would you be moving? Would you be moving? Oh, my Already on a movie? Actually, I'll move the oddly young, Uh, Jalil Okafor, who I just realized is only 24 years old.
00:19:35
And I'm not saying that there's a like for, like, value there, but that be more of an ass.
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It's probably thing right.
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Like you're probably you're probably moving some of those residual assets you got from the Lakers for a D and Sam.
00:19:47
Okay, here's lawyers picks for you, and we'll get back.
00:19:51
Oh, look, because if you're the pelicans make, you could make the case that it looked like you were just sniffing it and the NBA's set up perfectly for them to take his eight game run and get into the playoffs.
00:20:01
And then it makes the case for, you know, like like having holiday on this team and not feeling like you could move off for him cause you a little bit older, like, unfortunately, I don't think that it makes you, ah, Western Conference Final team necessarily.
00:20:14
But it's also based on the fact that you don't really know what this roster entirely can accomplish yet, because you only got what you know four or five games at his eye on.
00:20:22
So you don't know what that looks like yet plugging Goldberg and know that the defensive end is kind of anchored for you.
00:20:28
Kick around, start becoming a top four top five team, knowing that the Rockets are a year away from stripping, acting apart, probably, and seeing Westbrook maybe got like I don't know what they're going to do and outside owes L.
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A Z l A teams, and maybe what Golden State does in a reboot like you know, the other thing about it to me, is to if you're some of these teams you think about like the big market teams who are like, man, we want to win a championship.
00:20:55
But then you think about other other markets that go.
00:20:58
Can we make ourselves just competitive? You know, can we make ourselves a top five seed in either conference and know that that could be something we hang our hat on for a few years? Because that's that's Justus, valuable for a mid market team, as opposed to risking falling into like, a relevance.
00:21:15
I've been like, Hello.
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We're not attracting free agents on a standstill.
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So you do that, that risk reward thing off.
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We're gonna bring a guy here and hope that we can sell them on on what we have shown the value.
00:21:27
And then we get to signed that extension with a couple teams have done that in the last couple of years and, like it didn't work out for Toronto.
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But they it didn't work out for Toronto.
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They got a championship, but they took the risk of bringing Kaleigh and saying We'll take whatever we get for this season.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the pelicans are local.
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Bear away from being like check champion to Yeah, I mean, they have.
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I think they're by the time.
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He's really like.
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By the time I think the pelicans will be ready.
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He'll be in a different stage of his career.
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Like at best, I think in a couple of years he can try to do like, a little bit what Marcus scolded for the Raptors.
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And, yeah, I have a little bit of a local dead money, but a lot of money is still on his books, but sort of be treated as, like this role playing mid level asset, even though he makes it, obviously.
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And ah, and maybe that would be what his role would be.
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It wouldn't necessarily be is a pivotal piece.
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I think he is at, like, 1 to 2 years left.
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I would assume of Riel, not, yeah, I mean, you could say star level production.
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I wouldn't take offense that well, it isn't that the problem to write like if you're Utah right now, because one of the things they're saying was like Mitchell and Gilbert armed from a talent standpoint, they're not the next, you know, stocking him alone.
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Talent wise, maybe, yes, but they're not coming up at the same time.
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So the 80 age you're not doing it together where it's like, Oh, and then we'll extend you together and you'll play this career together.
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And even if you don't win a championship, we're still gonna have quality play because the point that you bring up about about Goldberg and what the co high end quality play is left on him.
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That's the danger, I think, for Utah of signing him to that extension, it being a relatively large number and and then fall him falling off a little bit and saying, Now you end up just being kind of a cap liability for us.
00:23:09
It's a tough spot to be in if you're Utah man, like, if you get, if you get rid of them in the short term, you're not gonna be a good A team.
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And if you keep him in the long term, you're probably going to then end up putting yourself in a tricky spot of maybe wasting some of Mitchell's prime years.
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Because you're saddled with this center that isn't quite as effective.
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Anybody any, really is only a one ends guy, right? He's a defensive presence.
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He's not going to give you a lot of value on the offensive end.
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He's not extending out his game and with perimeter shooting as well.
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Like so it's also where the MBA has gone the last few years.
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That pigeonholes him a little bit.
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In some ways, I'm also not sure how high on Mitchell I am like, I kind of fluctuate quite a bit.
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I think that the vision for what they would be doing this year, or I guess, in the next two years, if they were to keep go Bear was like hope that you get a sort of like 2006 Miami Heat run at it where you have this really ball dominant guard.
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You run everything through him.
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He trots, valleys against to the room, and then you have just like a big man.
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I'm not saying, you know, even late Career Shack is comparable to go bare from a scientific point alone.
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Just that that's a similar bills.
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But I mean, I guess that would be the vision of it, but I don't know.
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I don't know if I see Mitchell getting there till, like that level of being an 06 d Wade type of player.
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I don't know I was okay, you know, what I have my doubts with him, like there's a couple of things like this recent, the recent thing about him just wanting to, like, get a Max contract that's always worried about right now, which is like, All right, I mean, I guess that's the statements that that are gonna come out about.
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I love a lot of money, Please.
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I think he's the classic like labeled as a total defensive guy and he's just like, where did become a little bit of a liability on that end of the floor? There's just a couple things where I'm like, I don't know and it may just be that he's exerting so much effort on offense.
00:25:04
But this year he had a little bit of more.
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So I just thought he had more support around him in terms of the offense and I don't know how is my favorite thing when I feel like a guy loses sight of like what he's was brought into the link to Dio in a lot of ways.
00:25:20
Well, because it's one of things I wonder about.
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It's like the deal thing right where they go on this do just doesn't care about defense and you're like, Well, it could also be that it's a product of the system that they're just like, Listen, based on what we have here, you're not gonna worry about defense.
00:25:36
We want you to do offensively. Now.
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You'd like to think that because you have Gobert on the Jazz.
00:25:41
If Mitchell was really homed in, that could become something that they anchor themselves around.
00:25:45
Uh, we get the door on this snowman.
00:25:48
Guards are very as, ah, as I think, as my as my as my podcast, Cohoes.
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Doug was like, These are guys that you confined.
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You can find players that serve those roles, finding whether or not there's some limitations to his game.
00:26:02
Ah, gold Bayer that can really impact the defensive end of the floor for you.
00:26:06
Is there any Is there any world where if you were the ah, if you were the Utah Jazz, you would you be open to moving Mitchell before you end up re upping that big contract and saying, you know, what's the big picture for us? Do we look better in the short term as an older team with Connolly and Goldberg and Angles and Name X, Other players.
00:26:26
They're going to say even that Golden State thing.
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Not that this is a like for like, but it's like, Oh, we could get a get a Wiggins in.
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You know, we can get in a couple of other pieces from another roster and we'll see what happens.
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But if we don't see ourselves as a deep playoff run team with Mitchell, regardless of moving gold or not, when do when do we make that choice right? It's like in the Southern teams.
00:26:45
Never do is, like, pull the trigger on young talent.
00:26:47
Relatively speaking, Um, and it's not like his floor was ever as low as Wigan's got God with this time with generals.
00:26:54
But it's something interesting, right? Looks like What is the best summation of parts for us Toe? Have success, And how do you maybe give the public ridicule being like I can't believe you traded away a 23 year old car, You know, I think he's not quite, but I just think there's too much of a track record with him now.
00:27:13
Of like him being a successful player on DSA, Someone at least feels like he can lead an offense to like be a really, like miss player on a playoff team, so I would probably say right now, no, Um, I don't think he's like a Tyreke Evans or somebody like that, Kind of like a flash in the pan type of guy.
00:27:33
It just seems like there's real proven MBA talent, so and if they were to deal of now, I would I would come down on them pretty hard to be like, I just don't know, like where you're going to start over and basically hope to get another Donovan Mitchell like.
00:27:46
That's kind of I always worry about doing that.
00:27:48
It was like when the Knicks traded for Zynga's.
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It's like, Why? Why would you do that? Like you're just gonna What are you hoping for your hoping to get another poor Zynga's in a draft, where it's like, you know, he's one of the three most promising players in his class, maybe four.
00:28:02
I guess we'll get the next most promising guy.
00:28:04
It's like I don't know.
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I mean, I don't know, So I know who gets to move t move, go bare if you can't repair it between those guys.
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But I you know, maybe I'm being done here, but I would try to run it back and see if there's if it's just a weird situation with the MBA right now, like I don't know what it's gonna look like in the next couple of years.
00:28:23
Um, so you may.
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You may not Getting Mitchell on a Max deal that ends up being a book.
00:28:29
14 friend Leo Curry Curries deal when he signed it for the Warriors, weirdly enough to bring them up for the third unexpected time to bring up the the Golden State Warriors stream that we're doing here, I think you're I think it's It's unfortunate and I think you're right, like it's like, This is the nature of some of these things.
00:28:48
You end up, you give Mitchell Max contract, and it's not because he's not good, but like that's what you dio and you and then you see, you see what the next couple of years look like.
00:28:57
You see how you move Connelly's contact, if you can.
00:29:00
When does go bare fall off a little bit? Can you then move his contract a little bit later on his extension? And unfortunately for some of these market teams like This is just what happens.
00:29:09
You end up with a really good player in Mitchell and you try to shuffle pieces.
00:29:13
But you don't necessarily ever have the opportunity to go into free agency and say, Oh, you know, what I'd love to do is challenge the Lakers to be ableto who wanted, obviously, bring back a G.
00:29:23
We love to be able to put a pack attracting here, and he's just never gonna do it.
00:29:27
He's never going to make that move.
00:29:29
So you're always gonna have Teoh hope you strike in the lottery.
00:29:33
Hope you strike in the draft.
00:29:35
And that's why smaller market teams, even when you have a stalking him alone, never quite get over the hump.
00:29:39
And you fall prey to some of the other teams that just bigger and better around the league.
00:29:44
That being the case man, first and foremost, welcome to the coolest feature on SportsCenter, happy that I just air dropped in here.
00:29:51
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00:30:01
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00:30:15
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00:30:17
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00:30:21
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Rumor: Rudy Gobert could become available in trade talks if he doesn’t sign extension with Jazz

The rift between Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell could be cause for some headaches within the Utah Jazz, yet not many believe their recent tiff will be a driving factor in roster decisions the franchise makes in the near future. “I think it’s fine,” an Eastern Conference executive told ESPN’s Tim Bontemps. “The Jazz have […]

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big Old Bear and what feels like something that's had a little bit, at least from the rumor standpoint, let eggs over the last handful of months.
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Um, you know, you go all the way back will take a second here just to make sure that we give Ah, Matt an opportunity to join when he's thready.
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But when you go back to the time frame around Kobe 19 when it was first coming up, right, And, of course, Rudy Gobert sat there, two news podium made a joke about it.
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It was a little bit cavalier, touched down on all the microphones and then left.
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She ended up, of course, testing positive.
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And then some of the team of the Utah Jazz also came down with it.
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So that was kind of the little bit of a nugget, right? That was the thing that made some of maybe the other issues beyond.
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That starts a bubble to the surface and Donovan Mitchell, the hot on the scene, saying, I have some problems here and he came out immediately, of course at the time and said, I'm not necessarily excited about the idea of having a player like this who was so cavalier around around the cove in 19 situation.
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But even beyond that, it was more to the point of these guys have had issues just in game and feeling like they were having a I'll say cohesive communication, working well together.
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Ah, that being the case now, you're starting to have these conversations about a contract year a year from now.
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One more season for Rudy Gobert before he enters into a potential extension.
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And the idea of what might the Jazz look to do here? Obviously, he still has tremendous upside.
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Ah, and he pairs well and complements well to Donovan Mitchell's gained.
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But Donovan Mitchell is the future, while Rudy Gobert has been the Stallworth there for a while.
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What is it going to look like if you need to move on from him? Potentially so we'll take one second here just to make sure that we get this link, set up four Matt Brooks to join in, and then we will start to talk a little bit about what our expectations are as far as the possibilities of where we think, ah player like Rudy Gobert could be traded.
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What teams might be in a position toe look at him as the short term answer in terms of championship goals.
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Utah Jazz.
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I don't know if rate now or in this next window of a couple of years feel like they're at that championship caliber level.
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You look out there in the West and you think about the Clippers.
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You think about the L A Lakers and maybe if you want to be, ah, GM or organization that tries to not just think about things right now, but goes a little bit further down the line.
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You say, Listen, we love what Rudy Gobert has done for us, but if we're not going to be at Western Conference finals finals appearance ready, then at that stage, we need to consider about the value that we can get back for this player.
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So you know, the first thing we take that I don't want to take a look at here was, who else is gonna fall into that class? And also, where do the Utah Jazz stand? From a cap standpoint, Currently, this year, active roster cap is at 118 million.
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They have about a little over eight million in debt cap, so total coming with 1 27 and they have just under 20 million in cap cities.
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Well, you look over this roster, you know that you've got ah, Connolly.
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Goldberg got Bogdanovich.
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There is Well, some of the bigger numbers that are on here that are probably movable ones might be something like a Jordan.
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Clarkson is 27 taking up nearly 13.
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5 1,000,000 on the cap.
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Beyond that, though, then you get into you know, Joe Ingles.
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He's 31 now, but only costing you just under 12 year that the bigger numbers are Rudy Gobert a 25 million, essentially ah, 32 million for Connolly Bogdanovich there at 17 million.
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By the way, a lot of Mitchell remember on that contract was 23 years old, making 3.
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6 million.
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So it's not like we're really getting, you know, a really a big hit there right now for them, so maximizing that value is important as well.
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And as we see Matt Brooks has joined him.
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I'm away for him to sit down here, and it's perfect, because this way, I don't have to go too.
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Deep down this rabbit hole before I get Matt on.
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There is if it quite that hair buddy court that here right up as they will get himself situated there on our of course SportsCastr co hosting feature, and will continue to kick around some of these numbers.
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And then I already started to have some of these thoughts around possible trade partners in this.
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And if they were going to go that route, I also have my more maybe specific thoughts around the idea as if this is ever going to be the case for Rudy Gobert being moved on from from the Utah Jack.
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We'll find out soon enough.
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How are you? Hello, Good, sir.
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Did I know you're a good man off into this? Well, what have you been that? That's the best part about the new SportsCastr Coast feature.
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Is that you? Just my God, You come rate in it.
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Just like a moderate like that. Sorry.
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Yeah, I did it out yet.
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Oh, that's right. It No.
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All right, well, listen, this is true.
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This is traveling fire.
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Thanks for coming in.
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Thanks for coming into my head is a globe.
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Right now this thing is I have never looked.
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Have never looked more zoomed into It is their right.
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It zoom out of this.
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I don't know from adjustment standpoint.
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I think that's you, man. This is it.
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This is just comparatively.
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My head has never felt more reasonably sized than it does right now. That's ridiculous.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why wasn't your movement.
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You're the face, the face of the franchise, you know? I mean, you got to get that.
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You got to get out of the camera's.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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This is this is my head shot right here.
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That yet? You're good.
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What? What did I what did I bounce it on? Just out of nowhere? Well, that was no.
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So I was glad you came in is quick as you did because I was just started.
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Scratch the surface of it.
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The idea of this now saying the trade trade rumors right around Goldberg.
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This popped, um um after cove in 19.
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It seemed like that was the breaking point for maybe Thompson Mitchell, where he was like, case.
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You're wondering I've had a problem, this guy for a while, and this is just like the straw that broke the camel's back for him.
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And that's where all this stuff it started to bubble up about those Mitchell really like playing with him? And would the Jazz be in the march to possibly move on from home? So the first thing, the first thing I just highlight it was the cap space right now for the Jazz.
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They got about 20 million, including the dead cap.
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So they have.
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They have some real flexibility because Mitchell is on such a reasonable team deal right now, Um, and there's somebody like a Jordan Clarkson making 13.
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5 1,000,000 on.
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Then you really just get into the Connelly's and, you know, go Bayer at 25 there.
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So they have some flexibility as far as during being able to bring in some other big name bodies.
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But let's just on the surface Do you think that there's riel potential legs to this, because the one thing that I started to question myself was, do the Utah Jazz look at this roster right now and think we're Western Conference finals were finals appearances over next couple of years because you got both L.
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A teams, and if you don't.
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Then I think that that's the first card to say maybe moving Goldberg would make sense that, um, it's tricky because he's a big part of what they dio.
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So that's kind of like why I'm not really sure what they look like without him in a lot of ways.
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So if you move somebody like Rudy Gobert, I mean, who honest of the Jazz like defensively really tailed off quite a bit this year? That's kind of been there, what they're built off of.
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So if you move somebody like Rudy, go bare, what is your identity exactly? Like Donovan Mitchell's have had a very nice year.
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Um, efficient volume score, which is what you're looking for.
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Ah Bogdanovich is a really nice player, a little bit older, and then after that, it's like I don't really know what this team is in a lot of ways, So I would assume what they would do before they move Rudy go bare or, you know, if if they don't because the thing is like if they don't agree to an extension, then it becomes a little bit of like, OK, Rudy, go bear.
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He's been an All Star this last year.
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Um, he's always in the running for all India at his position.
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This is a guy that thinks most likely pretty highly of himself as a player, and he deserves it.
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He's one defensive players of the year.
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He's, I think, the big reason the Jazz are where they are.
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But if they aren't able to agree to an extension, I would wonder about him leaving.
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But my assumption is that they try to move that Conley deal and just it's not gonna be easy.
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But if there's a way to move that and move money around that way and bring somebody in that fits them a little bit better, they were just better when they had the ball on Donovan Mitchell's hands.
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That's kind of like what this came down to this year was like, you know, there was all this.
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It was funny because last year you watched them in the playoffs and you know Donovan Mitchell.
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He has this horrifically horrific playoff experience playoff, I guess, the second playoff experience and it all came down to like, well, there's just not enough help around him.
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Mike Conley.
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I don't know if that was the help you needed.
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I think Brooke on a ***** was a much better suit to that.
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It wasn't necessarily a backcourt partner.
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He needed a guy like Bogdanovich who can create his own shot a little bit.
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I also really, really works well off the ball and doesn't require the bonnet stands.
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Might have been the perfect fit for somebody like Donovan Mitchell.
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So I would you would move it that way.
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They wouldn't trade really go there just yet.
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No one, Because you think, too, that, like, maybe that was the experiment that you thought was gonna work out of having Donovan not have to be on the ball all the time.
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And all of a sudden it will free him up and make it easier with Connolly there, then just trial.
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But, you know, trial by error, you find out.
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Oh, actually, we needed to have the ball in his hands, which makes Connolly.
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They look like a little bit of a of the worst move there to get him in the door.
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The only thing, I guess, cause the hard thing is too is you're right.
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It's like, say that you're you want to move on from Conley.
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No matter what. Because the max contract.
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And then if you rule on for ago bear like you're talking about, then just sitting Mitchell.
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Alright, man. Thank you.
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It's you on this island that I don't think that that's a market where you can afford to give up something.
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Give up what you know for the unknown.
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And then maybe find yourself two or three years down the line being like boy we've really loved without of the Mitchells given us and unfortunately, there are enough pieces around it.
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And a lot of those pieces, like you mentioned Joe Ingles like all these guys were getting older.
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So now you're talking about meeting Teoh infused with youth around him.
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The interesting thing that I will say so the first thing is Gobert and Mitchell.
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Even if they don't like each other, they complement each other perfectly like rapture, rapture, making something that I've been like, Really, I have enjoyed noodling around lately uh, Mitchell net negative on the defensive end, but really good on the offensive end.
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Gobert giving you nothing offensively necessarily but extremely efficient on the defense event number one and wrapped a rating in the league So that's that balance of of what? You don't have to worry about his Mitchell, and not that you're looking for entity defending at the rim or something.
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But that's the compliment that you're getting out of these guys right now.
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If I go away, if I go down the road of the possibility because I think idea of, if they don't sign him, would they consider trading well, of course they could.
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They would, because we don't have him on the extension.
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You're not just going to play out his final year and then say thanks so much, you know, enjoy the open market.
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He's an expiring contract at that point.
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Attractive, still now attractive.
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Just about anybody, especially in this market.
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Which, by the way, could be, um, could be tricky the next two year.
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Yeah, there's a lot of other.
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There's a lot of other things happening around that, too, as far as what other teams will look to dio.
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So I'll throw this idea because I started to think about what some of the other teams that line up in the same range that will have young centers that potentially could be a nice swap if these air teams that are looking to win championships.
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This came up there along the way.
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At some point, of course, I'll go Homer the Brooklyn Nets, or, you know that's an attractive scenario where you go Jared Allen, a guy that I'm a fan of.
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But, hey, you want to get a young center that isn't nearly as proven and you want a Spencer game with your cares liver, whatever these other pieces may look like, the Nets are in a win now mode over the next couple of years and already well into luxury tax.
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So they're not gonna buy up a little bit extra the other one.
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That, though, that the scratch my brain was the Miami Heat and saying, and it's not a like for like necessarily like Obama auto Bio again, another young player that personally I would keep them, I think, because of so that the Heat are an interesting team because they are like we talked about how the the Jazz or between eras almost there between errors.
00:13:06
But like in a way, that's positively kind of what the Celtics we're shooting for within that Kyrie and they had Jalen and and Jayson Tatum kind of representing that Nextera.
00:13:14
I like the heat for.
00:13:15
In that way, I would I would probably refrain from doing that just yet.
00:13:20
Started.
00:13:21
T cut you well, but that's so interesting, right? Like when? When Miami brings in Butler, it re infuses them in a way.
00:13:29
But I think you're like, I think you're right, though he's really the stem the Tide guy for them while they're while some of these younger pieces get ready to take over the team as opposed to being like, I don't know, I attorneys to think that Pat Riley with how they feel, But I don't in my mind, I don't look at it as we brought in Butler for a championship run.
00:13:47
I look at it more as it keeps its really competitive, keeps it in the playoffs, which is the with the Miami Heat.
00:13:51
Have done a great John it.
00:13:53
Right? So another one, I'm thinking I'm just trying.
00:13:57
Think it seems that could use him on could use a center.
00:14:00
Um, Golden State would be an interesting destination.
00:14:05
I don't know, like if they could dio, if you're going about where their pick lands, If they got that pick and say Wiggins to make salary match or if they were like, Yeah, I mean, you could even do like a dream money.
00:14:21
So that was pretty interesting to me.
00:14:24
Just thinking of this off the top of my head.
00:14:26
I'm just trying to like spitballs something quick, but that's pretty cool.
00:14:30
But even like you said, like you think about because I think everyone's consensus is kind of like Draymond Green is the first guy that's gonna fall off a cliff if he hasn't kind of already shown that.
00:14:39
You know that little inclusion like this is not going to look good. And neither is that contract.
00:14:43
But for the downside, there is, like in Let that pick folds in a really sweet spot for Utah.
00:14:49
It's gonna take more like, Hey, do you wanna down? So you want a down sliding Draymond green for the Utah Jazz like that? That's the problem.
00:14:57
Action that up.
00:14:58
But even just the top of your head throwing that out there of the Golden State warriors, injuring themselves into a lottery pick and then using it to bring in a 28 29 year old Rudy Gobert that immediately they get catapulted right back up and you talking about the Western three.
00:15:13
The West dominated by three teams, all in California.
00:15:16
It's pretty sweet.
00:15:17
That seems pretty sweet because, I mean, you think about like what he isn't and that's pretty much an offensive threat.
00:15:23
I'm trying like I'm just gonna think of a destination where that really wouldn't matter all that much.
00:15:28
I mean, you worry a little bit about, like, if they're gonna be that switch double, but I mean, you know what then? Like, I think that dream is kind of done it, or it will be done in the next couple of years, depending upon what Draymond looks like.
00:15:39
It's an interesting way to give it into the next generation.
00:15:44
I guess, of warriors basketball.
00:15:46
It's a deficit.
00:15:47
And I think it's a total philosophy change in a way offensively, that you just get so much out of clay and stuff that I think that you almost you don't really worry about having him in the in the ah, in crunch time.
00:15:58
Those guys just can I really that twosome is incredible, but defensively they be different.
00:16:04
It would be a different look.
00:16:06
A team that would shift toe like a drop coverage team almost.
00:16:09
And I don't know.
00:16:11
I have to go to a veteran team that says he said, taking a big swing it for things.
00:16:15
And what better team is there in the league right now at that, then Golden State? Yeah.
00:16:22
I don't know why I just thought about Ah, uh I thought about how many pieces how many players are movable on what other perspectives like, for example, Anthony Davis doesn't like to play center real them.
00:16:36
He likes to be a power forward, okay? And LeBron can be really dominant if you if you slide him down to the shooting for the beautiful Orbit.
00:16:44
Like if I want to have fun, you know, if you know, maybe on they just don't get it over with Lakers and let him be a dominant defensive anchor for them and create the three piece there like anything, even if it is for a two year, You know that short two year stint like that tight window that you're talking about.
00:17:01
I take like Dwight and travails minutes effectively.
00:17:06
I like that.
00:17:07
You know, it's just like it's also about teams that are willing to throw totally into the idea of Brooklyn about whether that works, Not just like, who don't care right now.
00:17:15
Money is no object.
00:17:17
We'll deal with whatever the ramifications are.
00:17:19
We just want to try to bank some championships as quickly as we can, Like those of the teams that have you willing to sacrifice because one of the other ones like looking at those young contract that are coming up and you come across, like, 18 there in Phoenix.
00:17:29
We're like, Yeah, but what is Phoenix want gold? What? I won't go bare for on Phoenix right now as opposed to whatever eight is gonna turn into over the course of it.
00:17:38
So, like, those are some of the interesting ones, too.
00:17:40
I wanted to, man.
00:17:41
This time that was I want to pull up Boston's.
00:17:47
I would I would get about that if you would not be funny.
00:17:50
If Hayward was back in Utah, I think sends a factor.
00:17:53
The third guy, that was really Yeah.
00:17:56
See you later, man.
00:17:57
We'll start our rebuild and then three years looking to go, I think they'll be interesting.
00:18:02
Like if you if you throw him and they're just is like one more cow because they needed that rebounder and, uh, and just like I, I think there's a couple of things that they could use.
00:18:11
I think they could use another shooter, So obviously you're not getting that.
00:18:14
But you do get a rebounder and, like Total Rim protector.
00:18:16
Although I liked ice, I think he's really good.
00:18:19
I think he's an underrated player, but ah, you know, if you give them one more option like they have, like the switch Hable you know, so a little bit stretchy center.
00:18:29
And then you also have like a Rudy Go Bear.
00:18:31
That's a pretty that teams got like one or two guys at every single position, which is a total bounty tohave.
00:18:38
So who's looking at it as a total aside, that, like that Boston team, is just so funny to see, like how well balanced they've been over the years and then now, like it's like Tatum is just about ready to really launch himself off.
00:18:50
And you're like, Oh, so I guess we'll just be good now for another like there, another 5 to 7 years away from having real concerns about not being a top four seed knees.
00:18:59
Yeah. Which is Feels insulting as the next man.
00:19:01
Yeah.
00:19:02
I mean, you know, it is.
00:19:03
It is only a couple of nets fix doing all the dirty work, So, uh, yeah, yeah, it even worse.
00:19:09
So I was just thinking about, like, on the surface.
00:19:11
This is a Nets fan in general, let alone the fact that they're being fueled by literally.
00:19:14
Aren't what could have been our roster fix? How about ah, How about the pelicans? So you're taking me What? Would you What would you be moving? Would you be moving? Oh, my Already on a movie? Actually, I'll move the oddly young, Uh, Jalil Okafor, who I just realized is only 24 years old.
00:19:35
And I'm not saying that there's a like for, like, value there, but that be more of an ass.
00:19:39
It's probably thing right.
00:19:40
Like you're probably you're probably moving some of those residual assets you got from the Lakers for a D and Sam.
00:19:47
Okay, here's lawyers picks for you, and we'll get back.
00:19:51
Oh, look, because if you're the pelicans make, you could make the case that it looked like you were just sniffing it and the NBA's set up perfectly for them to take his eight game run and get into the playoffs.
00:20:01
And then it makes the case for, you know, like like having holiday on this team and not feeling like you could move off for him cause you a little bit older, like, unfortunately, I don't think that it makes you, ah, Western Conference Final team necessarily.
00:20:14
But it's also based on the fact that you don't really know what this roster entirely can accomplish yet, because you only got what you know four or five games at his eye on.
00:20:22
So you don't know what that looks like yet plugging Goldberg and know that the defensive end is kind of anchored for you.
00:20:28
Kick around, start becoming a top four top five team, knowing that the Rockets are a year away from stripping, acting apart, probably, and seeing Westbrook maybe got like I don't know what they're going to do and outside owes L.
00:20:41
A Z l A teams, and maybe what Golden State does in a reboot like you know, the other thing about it to me, is to if you're some of these teams you think about like the big market teams who are like, man, we want to win a championship.
00:20:55
But then you think about other other markets that go.
00:20:58
Can we make ourselves just competitive? You know, can we make ourselves a top five seed in either conference and know that that could be something we hang our hat on for a few years? Because that's that's Justus, valuable for a mid market team, as opposed to risking falling into like, a relevance.
00:21:15
I've been like, Hello.
00:21:16
We're not attracting free agents on a standstill.
00:21:19
So you do that, that risk reward thing off.
00:21:21
We're gonna bring a guy here and hope that we can sell them on on what we have shown the value.
00:21:27
And then we get to signed that extension with a couple teams have done that in the last couple of years and, like it didn't work out for Toronto.
00:21:32
But they it didn't work out for Toronto.
00:21:34
They got a championship, but they took the risk of bringing Kaleigh and saying We'll take whatever we get for this season.
00:21:39
Unfortunately, I don't think the pelicans are local.
00:21:42
Bear away from being like check champion to Yeah, I mean, they have.
00:21:47
I think they're by the time.
00:21:48
He's really like.
00:21:49
By the time I think the pelicans will be ready.
00:21:51
He'll be in a different stage of his career.
00:21:52
Like at best, I think in a couple of years he can try to do like, a little bit what Marcus scolded for the Raptors.
00:21:58
And, yeah, I have a little bit of a local dead money, but a lot of money is still on his books, but sort of be treated as, like this role playing mid level asset, even though he makes it, obviously.
00:22:11
And ah, and maybe that would be what his role would be.
00:22:13
It wouldn't necessarily be is a pivotal piece.
00:22:16
I think he is at, like, 1 to 2 years left.
00:22:18
I would assume of Riel, not, yeah, I mean, you could say star level production.
00:22:23
I wouldn't take offense that well, it isn't that the problem to write like if you're Utah right now, because one of the things they're saying was like Mitchell and Gilbert armed from a talent standpoint, they're not the next, you know, stocking him alone.
00:22:35
Talent wise, maybe, yes, but they're not coming up at the same time.
00:22:39
So the 80 age you're not doing it together where it's like, Oh, and then we'll extend you together and you'll play this career together.
00:22:44
And even if you don't win a championship, we're still gonna have quality play because the point that you bring up about about Goldberg and what the co high end quality play is left on him.
00:22:54
That's the danger, I think, for Utah of signing him to that extension, it being a relatively large number and and then fall him falling off a little bit and saying, Now you end up just being kind of a cap liability for us.
00:23:09
It's a tough spot to be in if you're Utah man, like, if you get, if you get rid of them in the short term, you're not gonna be a good A team.
00:23:17
And if you keep him in the long term, you're probably going to then end up putting yourself in a tricky spot of maybe wasting some of Mitchell's prime years.
00:23:25
Because you're saddled with this center that isn't quite as effective.
00:23:28
Anybody any, really is only a one ends guy, right? He's a defensive presence.
00:23:31
He's not going to give you a lot of value on the offensive end.
00:23:34
He's not extending out his game and with perimeter shooting as well.
00:23:37
Like so it's also where the MBA has gone the last few years.
00:23:41
That pigeonholes him a little bit.
00:23:43
In some ways, I'm also not sure how high on Mitchell I am like, I kind of fluctuate quite a bit.
00:23:48
I think that the vision for what they would be doing this year, or I guess, in the next two years, if they were to keep go Bear was like hope that you get a sort of like 2006 Miami Heat run at it where you have this really ball dominant guard.
00:24:04
You run everything through him.
00:24:05
He trots, valleys against to the room, and then you have just like a big man.
00:24:09
I'm not saying, you know, even late Career Shack is comparable to go bare from a scientific point alone.
00:24:15
Just that that's a similar bills.
00:24:20
But I mean, I guess that would be the vision of it, but I don't know.
00:24:24
I don't know if I see Mitchell getting there till, like that level of being an 06 d Wade type of player.
00:24:30
I don't know I was okay, you know, what I have my doubts with him, like there's a couple of things like this recent, the recent thing about him just wanting to, like, get a Max contract that's always worried about right now, which is like, All right, I mean, I guess that's the statements that that are gonna come out about.
00:24:47
I love a lot of money, Please.
00:24:49
I think he's the classic like labeled as a total defensive guy and he's just like, where did become a little bit of a liability on that end of the floor? There's just a couple things where I'm like, I don't know and it may just be that he's exerting so much effort on offense.
00:25:04
But this year he had a little bit of more.
00:25:06
So I just thought he had more support around him in terms of the offense and I don't know how is my favorite thing when I feel like a guy loses sight of like what he's was brought into the link to Dio in a lot of ways.
00:25:20
Well, because it's one of things I wonder about.
00:25:23
It's like the deal thing right where they go on this do just doesn't care about defense and you're like, Well, it could also be that it's a product of the system that they're just like, Listen, based on what we have here, you're not gonna worry about defense.
00:25:36
We want you to do offensively. Now.
00:25:38
You'd like to think that because you have Gobert on the Jazz.
00:25:41
If Mitchell was really homed in, that could become something that they anchor themselves around.
00:25:45
Uh, we get the door on this snowman.
00:25:48
Guards are very as, ah, as I think, as my as my as my podcast, Cohoes.
00:25:53
Doug was like, These are guys that you confined.
00:25:55
You can find players that serve those roles, finding whether or not there's some limitations to his game.
00:26:02
Ah, gold Bayer that can really impact the defensive end of the floor for you.
00:26:06
Is there any Is there any world where if you were the ah, if you were the Utah Jazz, you would you be open to moving Mitchell before you end up re upping that big contract and saying, you know, what's the big picture for us? Do we look better in the short term as an older team with Connolly and Goldberg and Angles and Name X, Other players.
00:26:26
They're going to say even that Golden State thing.
00:26:28
Not that this is a like for like, but it's like, Oh, we could get a get a Wiggins in.
00:26:31
You know, we can get in a couple of other pieces from another roster and we'll see what happens.
00:26:36
But if we don't see ourselves as a deep playoff run team with Mitchell, regardless of moving gold or not, when do when do we make that choice right? It's like in the Southern teams.
00:26:45
Never do is, like, pull the trigger on young talent.
00:26:47
Relatively speaking, Um, and it's not like his floor was ever as low as Wigan's got God with this time with generals.
00:26:54
But it's something interesting, right? Looks like What is the best summation of parts for us Toe? Have success, And how do you maybe give the public ridicule being like I can't believe you traded away a 23 year old car, You know, I think he's not quite, but I just think there's too much of a track record with him now.
00:27:13
Of like him being a successful player on DSA, Someone at least feels like he can lead an offense to like be a really, like miss player on a playoff team, so I would probably say right now, no, Um, I don't think he's like a Tyreke Evans or somebody like that, Kind of like a flash in the pan type of guy.
00:27:33
It just seems like there's real proven MBA talent, so and if they were to deal of now, I would I would come down on them pretty hard to be like, I just don't know, like where you're going to start over and basically hope to get another Donovan Mitchell like.
00:27:46
That's kind of I always worry about doing that.
00:27:48
It was like when the Knicks traded for Zynga's.
00:27:50
It's like, Why? Why would you do that? Like you're just gonna What are you hoping for your hoping to get another poor Zynga's in a draft, where it's like, you know, he's one of the three most promising players in his class, maybe four.
00:28:02
I guess we'll get the next most promising guy.
00:28:04
It's like I don't know.
00:28:05
I mean, I don't know, So I know who gets to move t move, go bare if you can't repair it between those guys.
00:28:12
But I you know, maybe I'm being done here, but I would try to run it back and see if there's if it's just a weird situation with the MBA right now, like I don't know what it's gonna look like in the next couple of years.
00:28:23
Um, so you may.
00:28:25
You may not Getting Mitchell on a Max deal that ends up being a book.
00:28:29
14 friend Leo Curry Curries deal when he signed it for the Warriors, weirdly enough to bring them up for the third unexpected time to bring up the the Golden State Warriors stream that we're doing here, I think you're I think it's It's unfortunate and I think you're right, like it's like, This is the nature of some of these things.
00:28:48
You end up, you give Mitchell Max contract, and it's not because he's not good, but like that's what you dio and you and then you see, you see what the next couple of years look like.
00:28:57
You see how you move Connelly's contact, if you can.
00:29:00
When does go bare fall off a little bit? Can you then move his contract a little bit later on his extension? And unfortunately for some of these market teams like This is just what happens.
00:29:09
You end up with a really good player in Mitchell and you try to shuffle pieces.
00:29:13
But you don't necessarily ever have the opportunity to go into free agency and say, Oh, you know, what I'd love to do is challenge the Lakers to be ableto who wanted, obviously, bring back a G.
00:29:23
We love to be able to put a pack attracting here, and he's just never gonna do it.
00:29:27
He's never going to make that move.
00:29:29
So you're always gonna have Teoh hope you strike in the lottery.
00:29:33
Hope you strike in the draft.
00:29:35
And that's why smaller market teams, even when you have a stalking him alone, never quite get over the hump.
00:29:39
And you fall prey to some of the other teams that just bigger and better around the league.
00:29:44
That being the case man, first and foremost, welcome to the coolest feature on SportsCenter, happy that I just air dropped in here.
00:29:51
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00:29:58
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00:30:01
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00:30:15
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00:30:17
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00:30:21
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