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So, like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers obviously generated plenty of hype with the arrival of both Tom Brady and his favorite tight end, Rob Gronkowski.
However, if piers that the tandem no longer strikes fear into the hearts of the opposition like they did in their days with the New England Patriots, ESPN Dianna Russini was on get up and she had this to say about it.
She said, quote, It's all about hitting him.
He said, It's all about getting them to the ground.
He's not as dynamic in the pocket anymore in terms of them as a duo.
Yes, they're still going to be a threat, But this is not the Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski we've seen in the past, according to defensive coordinators I've talked to in terms of concern for Gronkowski being a threat.
From what I gather my conversations, it's not a high priority.
They know that he's vertical, he's long.
He's going to run.
Those seems so basically defensive coordinators around the NFL and around the NFC.
They ain't scared of Rob Gronkowski and Tom Brady anymore.
As a Patriots fan, I'm tickled by that and hope that their rights.
But as a general football fan, I'm not sure if I buy it or not.
I'm wondering what you guys think are these defensive coordinators overlooking what the's to conduce together, or is this just a combination of Tom Brady has so many weapons we can't just focus on Rob Gronkowski.
Joe, let's start with you.
What do you think about this? A theory by Russini by talking to these defensive coordinators? Well, I wish you would have started with Lawrence so we could get you know, the exes and nose opinion on this, but so I'll just give you my opinion on this.
I do agree with this, but what I think I could see happening is weak.
One Gronk is gonna have a huge game because if this is true that they're really not gonna focus on Gronk at all, I still think he's in shape.
I don't think he's gonna be the same Gronk that we saw in the past.
He's obviously a little slimmer, but I still think he's in good shape, right? He's keeping up his body and everything, and I'm assuming should be in football shape by the time he's ready to play.
So I think he's gonna have a huge week. One.
Nobody's gonna focus on him.
He's going to go for a crazy game game against the Saints, but then week to they're gonna shut him down because they're gonna be like, OK, wait.
We do have to focus on Gronk a little bit and then maybe, like in the middle of the year, we'll have another big game and then maybe he'll start to pick up a little bit towards the end of the season.
But I think, yeah, I think he's going to start off slow in the season.
He's gonna get have to get his body accustomed to playing football again.
So there's that part and also Tom Brady.
In my opinion, I know there's been arguments about this debates about this, but I do think he is regressing and it's, you know, do I am getting a little bit older.
Not to say he's not still at a good level.
He can't play good quarterback.
I do think he can, but, yeah, I think we've talked about it before.
I think they're going to start off slow on.
That seems to be the consensus for everybody.
So okay, I guess I'll jump in.
Since Raise is busy writing down his pie bet series.
Now he's he's he's making little pictures on writing down his notes.
You want Gronkowski is going to come in and he's going to be the show of Tampa Bay, and I'll explain why, As you said, he's slimmer.
Yes, he's older, obviously, but old does not necessarily mean bad.
There's a lot of people that, especially it tied in when they got older.
They got a little bit better, not not necessarily more explosive but more reliable right? They understand the defense, but they know better how to take care of themselves.
They know better how to take advantage of zones and step up.
Think about Tampa Bay's offense right now, the kind of receiving threats they have.
There is no way on God's green.
Or if any team in the NFL is gonna play this man coverage.
No one has the corners to cover everyone, man. But no one has.
He'll number one corners on their team, right? We know one.
You don't have that kind of you're gonna have to play a lot of zone.
Now who takes advantage of zone? Uh, takes more advantage of zone than any other position if they know how to use it outside in, especially when the wide receivers on the outside, Obviously guys like Mike Evans and Godwin, who can clear out the middle of the field with their speed and the fact that you know the corners are so worried about them.
Gronkowski is gonna come right over the middle of e eat safeties and linebackers to death all year long.
Especially the fact he's been out a year.
Yeah, okay, I get it.
He's a little slimmer now.
What is more healthy right there you go walk out there in, like, 15 different castes all over his body. Big.
What? Frickin patting down his arm.
You know, least you hope not.
But him And by the end of the season in March.
But they also have O J Howard and Cameron braids also, you know.
So, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
They're so and Ray loves O J. Howard.
And I think O J.
Howard's a good, good tied in.
Howard does not have the connection with Tom Brady that Rob Gronkowski has even even being gone a year.
So I fully expect Gronkowski.
I think Gronkowski is gonna break 1000 yards this year.
It was a lot for me to take in from both of you.
Ah, there's things I agree with you guys on, But the word this show is not made for us to agree.
That's not the sports media landscape.
You and Lords, you made one point that I'm about to go off on and Joe, you made to.
All right, let's go.
But I'm going to start with Lawrence because it won't make sense.
If I start the other way around.
You talk about tight ends getting better.
Rob Gronkowski is going to be the show in Tampa Bay.
He is the one who's got the biggest connection with Tom Brady.
It tells me that you did not pay attention all that well to the 2018 season from New England Patriots, which was Tom Brady's final season Because what we saw away from blocking, I'm not going to take away Rob Gronkowski blocking.
It wasn't just stats.
It was level of play that completely regressed from 2000 and 17 to 2000 and 18.
Is he a little healthier now? Yeah.
Is that gonna make him better? I don't think so.
I think we're going to see a very similar 600 yard Gronk that we got in 2018 with three touchdowns, three touchdowns.
The guy who averaged 8 to 10 per season, three touchdowns.
Will he come up with the occasional big play 100%.
He'll come up with the occasional big play.
Is he gonna have a 35% contested catch rating like he did in 2017? While he did it in 2018 he lost a lot of those contested catches.
If he's coming in skinnier, that means he's coming in weaker from a muscle standpoint in a muscle mass, right? His strength? His He was never fat.
He was bulked that No, I mean the slower, though slow and speed spot. I'm talking strength.
I'm talking, contested catches.
I'm talking 50 fifties.
We're talking a guy who had 2% body fat in 2018 and it's coming out.
What? It's big of a mismatch and he's coming in smaller.
Yeah, his speed was always a factor.
His strength and speed combination was the biggest factor.
Let's also not pretend that a guy who's dealt with this many injuries throughout his career there's something called football shape.
I don't care how much you clang and bang in the gym.
I don't care how much you run.
Gronkowski, who number one, is always a hit away from an injury I have never had in 2018 I all.
I never had so much anxiety watching somebody get tackled in my life.
Every time he got hit, I held my breath.
Any missed the game due to injury in 2018.
On top of that, back in 2016 he can't 2017 When he returned after being out all the 2016 with an injury for about six weeks, he didn't look like Rob Gronkowski.
He didn't look like the Gronk we remembered, and then he just blew up the rest of the rest of the time through and he looked like the Gronk we all fell in love with.
So they asked him what was the difference between Week 1 to 6 and weak seven? And he said, It takes about six weeks.
When you've been out of football as long as I have, that's after missing.
You're, I mean, the whole season or missing half a season.
So he played half the 2016.
So after missing half a season, he said, It takes about six weeks to getting comfortable with hitting being hit again and guys going at your legs and getting yourself back in football.
Gronkowski is not getting a real off season this year.
I think if this is a normal season, he's at OT is getting himself a football shape.
He's getting hit with the pads, he's getting ready.
Rob Gronkowski just took an entire year of football off, he took his CBD.
He went and did wrestling had his Gronk party.
There is no way if, after taking half a season off with injury, working your ass off in the offseason having an entire true training camp, clanging and banging, hit and playing and you took you six weeks to get in a football shape, what's it gonna take you coming now, considering he's got the body of a 40 year old when it comes to injuries and it comes to other things.
So that's my argument there.
I don't think he's going to be 1000 yard guy, and this is where it ties into Joe's thing.
Gronkowski will be lucky to catch four catches on Week one.
I believe that teams are going to pay too much attention to Gronkowski.
I believe that a lot of defensive coordinators are gonna have the same thought process I have that it's going to take Brady a while to get in jail with his other players.
He's going to go to his go to, so, at the very least, let's take his safety blanket away.
If we take away Gronk, we take away a safety blanket.
What Brady's gonna show minus some regression Is that when you put the other guys around him? O J.
Howard, Mike Avon's Godwin Um uh bloody the second in the backfield.
I know he's a second.
That's all it would be over Jones Jones.
Second, you put those guys out there and Brady starts leading up with them.
People are going to realize, OK, we can't just double Gronk the whole game cause Brady's gonna get us Another is I could see weak, too.
Gronk getting a little bit more catches because he's gonna open up.
But under no cir***stances, Lawrence, I'm sorry.
And you and I are usually pretty on the same page with things, No cir***stance, no sour g****s And no cir***stance.
Do I see Rob Gronkowski getting 1000 yards a season? A.
Because of the amount Tom Brady can spread that ball around and number and be Gronkowski will not be the Gronkowski from 2017.
We might see an even lesser version of 2018.
Still be an above average tight end.
But will he be the mart? Will he be grown? He's not gonna be Gronk.
He's gonna be Rob Gronkowski.
All right, I'd like to rebuttal, please your Honor.
So the difference.
The difference between being out of season because of being injured and being out of season.
Ah, because you just left one.
When you're injured, you can't do all the things that you normally do.
It's not like he was completely inactive, right? I mean, he was out doing W w.
Hey was still doing stuff.
Yes, he got thinner, which all football players do.
He was also, I think, probably healthier because I don't know how we all play football.
Is that right? We all played football.
When you're playing football, how many carbs do you leave today? It's a lot.
It's a lot of carbs.
And that's not that's a lot of sugar.
That's a lot of, you know, extra weight and stuff that you keep on your body for that.
So that's the thing. Gronkowski.
He's lighter because he's eating healthier.
His body is actually healthy.
So now I think he's actually probably going to be faster and be able to jump higher and further because he's more healthy like overall physically and wave less okay and just I'm what I want for now.
Talk to me at the same time while I'm sitting here talking to you guys.
What I'm what I'm waiting for now is for Lawrence to come out of the closet and let us know that he's actually a Patriots fan deep down because, my God, does he sound like a New England typical New England Patriots fan right now who still thinks it's 2000 and 10 and Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski? You're the same guy They've always been, UM, the fans who who can't accept that Tom Brady.
Every pass that went over 20 yards wobbled last season.
Watch. Go watch the tape.
It blows my mind that people close their eyes to that and go.
What's the Receivers fault? Well, maybe the receiver could have caught the ball, but he's not throwing spirals like he did in 2017.
And if you can really sit there right now and tell me Tom Brady is the same guy he was three or four years ago, he looks like he's 42.
He's not playing awful football.
I still think he's above average.
I still think he's better than most.
I mean, we don't talk.
We had Brady in our top 10 but there was a time when he easily would have been number one on everybody's list.
He's not number one anymore.
Nice. I mean, he's not bad.
But Gronkowski, on the other hand, is a guy that I think is gonna vastly disappoint.
Ah, lot of people.
And I mean, listen again.
And I don't wish anything on anybody, but he's a hit away.
You mean as always, I put it, I'll put a pie.
You want a pie, that I'll put a pie that he doesn't play 16 games.
I know what that's what I'm saying.
If I was going to throw a pie bad, I said he's not gonna play 16 games this year.
That's why he's not gonna come close to 1000 yards.
I definitely wouldn't take that.
I don't trust can I know there's not.
A sane person in the world will say that, but I think you could get 1000 yards in 14 games.
I see I don't know about that one.
I'll give him 800.
I think he could easily get 800 if he has a good season, but I think I think this is a situation where Tom Brady, in order for the Tampa Bay to succeed, is going to have to share share the pie.
As we say, right, he's going tohave toe split targets.
And in doing so, you got a lot of weapons there and obviously he's not.
We've already discussed.
There's no way Tom Brady is going to be throwing 50 yard Bomb 67 times a game.
There's just no way.
He's not that kind of quarterback no more.
He physically can't do it.
I think that there is going to be three people on Tampa Bay.
As long as Tom Brady stays healthy throughout the season, I think they'll be three people with 1000 yards on that team.
So evident Godwin and broke possible.
I mean, that's that's what you know.
Majority rules, serious thing that Yeah, I got you.
Um, well, I think that if there's one thing we can all not deny is that Brady and Gronk had a connection, I'm interested to see if that connection will still be in Tampa bait.
That's gonna be interesting to watch.
We actually almost saw a huge connection on a huge play in the Super Bowl against the Eagles, right where Brady just threw a Hail Mary through it up to Gronk and ground would just wasn't able to come down with it.
I think everybody was holding their breaths, even me.
I'm like, Go, don't let it end this way.
You know Tom Brady to grok.
But maybe they wouldn't have had to be in that position if Bill Belichick not ***** Malcolm, Hold on.
Before we get to that, I need to make another statement.
Sorry, because I had a few transition, right? But I know, but we'll never circle back to this.
I didn't know you were going there, So you went early.
It's only 18 minutes, 45 minutes on the 1st 1 I'm sorry.
No, but I have to throw this out.
This was an important one that I've been patiently waiting.
There's a real big misconception of Rob Gronkowski when people talk apocalypse, drunk and use 1000 yard seasons.
So I know he don't get that really him.
Four times in his career, he's been under 800 yards.
He's either been 1000 plus or under 800 yards his entire career.
You mean four times he's been 1000 yards six times he's been under three of those six times.
He's only been at 500 yards.
You know what I mean and work.
We're talking in some 15 game seasons.
You're, I mean, 11 game seasons, Um, that he wasn't on pace for for 1000 you know, before he got hurt again, right? Um, so it's, you know, it's That's the thing.
And I think that and I get I don't think Tampa's gonna have that many 1000 yard receiver is, by the way, just to be honest with you.
Um, because there's another factor that we need to put in a place here.
Yes, Bruce Arians has decided that he's going to adapt his offense to live to his strength.
Here's the thing, though.
Josh McDaniels drew up a beautiful offense that worked too tight ends and running backs, right? And Tom Brady exposed a lot of people.
That's not saying.
Back in the early days of 2010 and the Gronk days, Brady couldn't air out the ball.
You could hear it out at that time, but you have the tight ends.
You have the running backs.
Josh McDaniels, offensive genius.
I'm gonna do this going back to 2004 with Ben Watson, the Patriots running that kind of offense.
Just because Bruce Arian says he wants to do it doesn't mean he knows how to run an offense like that.
It doesn't know he knows that. It's scheming offense.
That's primarily tight ends and running backs.
Bruce Arians likes to arrow that football.
We saw it with Jamis.
We saw it a little when he was in Indy.
How he likes the air out, the football.
We saw it in Pittsburgh when he was behind.
Ben right? Likes to air out the football.
I don't even know if Bruce Arians, even with Tom Brady there helping.
And this is the thing Tom Brady wanted this.
It is going to get it now.
You're not getting the Patriots offense.
You may have better players.
You may be having the players you wish round the Patriots offense.
There's also a reason that Bill Belichick says, I don't care.
Some guys were stars.
They don't fit in our system, right? They don't fit in our system.
That's why when you're reading articles about Tom Brady and guys are going Oh, I love him, he asked so many questions in the meeting.
That's what he keeps doing.
Like every day's got, like 50 questions is asking.
He's looked because he doesn't know how to run that offense because he's sitting there now going.
This isn't Josh's offense.
This isn't what I've been doing for 20 years.
Because Josh's offense was Justin.
Abbreviation of Charlie Weis is offense, and the Bill O'Brien ran an abbreviation of McDaniels offense.
McDaniels came back and ran the abbreviation.
It's always been the same in New England one year in 2007.
They just threw the ball the Randy Moss 1000 times, and, you know I mean in.
But besides that who has been the best receivers? Wes Welker, Julian Edelman and tight ends and receivers? Right? The Brady is a student of the game, but he's not running the Patriots offense.
And I wonder how much and I'm not saying Brady can adapt.
This isn't a knock on Brady.
This is more of an Arians knock, and it's not really a knock.
It just the point.
I just don't know how much Arians can adapt his offense to look like the offensive.
Tom Brady's ran his whole career, and Brady might be throwing amore receivers, and he has in the past rather than attacking those tight ends like he has before.
Especially if you can start to imagine if you could start getting Mike Avon's running out routes and crosses.
I mean, Brady will just be hitting that all day, all day.
He won't even be looking to the outside for tight ends because he's just going to seethe speed up the middle.
So it's, you know, let's see how they adapt in that standpoint.
I mean, I've said it before.
I have the offense.
Bruce Arians, Like I've said before, he would frankly be an idiot.
If he doesn't, he has to write. You have.
If you signed Tom Brady, you know what you're gonna do.
You know what you're getting yourself into.
And I mean, Tom Brady is in a really good spot.
He's in a very good spot, and we've said we think he's an above average quarterback even now in his older age, and the fact of the matter is, he has pretty much star power at every possible receiving position that he could possibly want, right.
And I think Row Joe is gonna be a big big boost for him because I think he could be a receiver out of the backfield.
So I just think with my thing with star power, and this is where I go back to it.
What is in Cleveland? Just run New England's offense.
You mean that's that's always worked for Tom Brady.
You what? I mean, you got to start power, you got too tight and you got the receivers.
You got the running back just because you said That's like saying Okay, you know what? Um, Jared Systems gots of wheels.
The patron should adapt the Ravens offense this year, right? Just coaches run different things.
And even though you finally got ah, a creative offensive coordinator, if you watch the Ravens, it's the same Ravens team.
Every year, the personalities changes, you will gain.
The same decisions get made.
Harbaugh makes the same decisions.
The same type of player you get.
Rid add read to Terrell Suggs retires.
We're going to bring in Earl Thomas.
You what? I mean, it's always the same kind of recycled players.
This isn't a knock in the pages of the same.
Would you consider Rex Burkhead a star? No, right.
Nobody would would you even really consider Julia Nadal minister if he wasn't playing in the New England system? Right? It takes guys.
There's a reason that really the only superstar to ever work in New England was Randy Moss.
That was for a very limited amount of time.
And I think we could have got one year out of Antonio Brown if he would have went and did his old, you know, off the field stuff.
But Josh Gordon work.
Kenny Britt didn't work.
You let me push back, let me push back.
The Bucks don't have a culture straight up.
The Ravens have a culture.
The Patriots have a culture.
The Bucks do not have a culture straight up.
They've having a losing culture.
So, yeah, I understand what you're saying.
We always get the civil same type of players.
Same thing with the Patriots.
They get that same, you know, type of player.
But the Bucks don't have that because they've never had a winning culture.
Will they want to Super Bowl once? Right.
But aside from that, what have they done? So, no, you'll see.
Create a new culture, right? I get what you're saying, but you're trying to create a culture overnight because you have to create a culture overnight with Brady.
This isn't a long term project to create a culture.
This has to be created by the time he takes the first snap of the season.
Yeah, you know me and you've never seen that before.
When have we seen a culture completely change? Overnight? It's taken time.
Look at Kansas City has taken five years of Andy Reid to finally nurture in.
And he had Alex Smith, who is not a bad quarterback when I mean, it's not like he was playing with bums, but it takes time to foster that culture.
I don't know that first year that that first year Peyton Manning went over to Denver, Man, that that went from a solid running game.
He was throwing the football football quite a bit.
But locker room culture to game play is very difference.
The Broncos already had an established culture they were already known is that they needed Ah, quarterback, you know, I mean, they knew it.
They had a vicious defense.
They had a great run game.
They got the quarterback.
The culture was established.
It's it's you know the way I'm just saying, The way I'm looking at it is is is Brady gonna make the bucks better? 1000% right? I'm not sitting here saying he's not going to make them better, but I don't think this offense is gonna be is fluid as what? Brady's with skipping OT AIDS for two years because he knew he could walk into Gillette Stadium even with new guys.
And that system was so ingrained in his head.
Yeah, I mean, he didn't need the extra work.
The guys will catch up, he'll figure out Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
He's not going OT eight this year, either, but he's in every meeting he's holding.
You know, Mr I need time with my family is now holding throwing sessions with his fire team all the time, which is the equivalent that there was O T.
A C B L o T A s right. You know, there's no eighties.
I gotta be there working.
Why? Because this isn't the same system.
It's not the same system.
It's not the same.
So you can have all the talent in the world.
A team like Cleveland shows you what talent can get you.
And I'm not comparing Brady to the Cleveland.
But you know what that sounds to me like.
It sounds to me like Brady is just sick of New England's crap, that that's exactly what that sounds like.
The or Belichick scrap, which I know I would hate to be a six time Super Bowl champion.
Like I would literally I would slit my wrists if I wasn't in petty, right? He just Absolutely, He'd been a 12 year business for himself.
Exactly what I'm saying.
This it's not gonna transfer to the field.
I think that people are expecting more than other gonna get out of that Tampa team this year.
Yeah, you know, I think there in 11 20 I just line 11 wins.
Oh, is way under.
Underachieving for what? The way they're pumping up to steal.
It could be up to, like a 13 1 team if I don't see him being 13.
But I I look at him as their offense is good minus holes in their offensive line, and you you might be a big Ron Jones guy, but I don't for the as for the run game itself, I don't think it's that great.
You know, Ron Judges receiving.
I know that's what I'm saying.
The running game itself is not that great.
And that one way then that would be that would be Tom Brady's best friend has been for years, right? Cause that takes a lot of pressure off in that kind of back salt that pass rush a little.
Since 2018 you haven't had much, you know, they had Corey Dillon and a little thing with Llegar Blunt who ran at times.
I mean, if you only one.
They basically say, if you watch cold schemes and looks like they run like it looked like they ran all the time, but they weren't really a They were probably a 72 30 But when they played the Colts, they were probably Maura.
Six left, 40 The other one, right? Um, basic is the culture show.
They couldn't stop the run, right? So But I You know what I mean? Like it's The Saints were still the favorites to win that division, right? But But Brady is supposed to be better than Breeze.
That offense is supposed to be that those weapons on offense is supposed to be better.
The offensive line is another concern.
No, you know, last year they blame the receivers dropped passes in the offensive line.
That's every excuse I've heard made for Tom Brady while the offensive line was banged up knowing kid, you know how How is he supposed to throw the ball when he's under pressure all the time? Well, guess what? He's gonna be under that exact same pressure this season because that offensive line is about the equivalent of what the Patriots offensive line was last year.
They got well, I think they're old line is a little underrated.
They got some nice players on there, and you guys have to tell me that.
You can't disagree with this.
He makes an old line play better because he can adjust protection, right? That's what having a veteran and savvy quarterback is. Four.
Did you watch a Patriots game last year? They watch.
Did you watch a Patriots game last year? He Tom Brady threw more balls away.
He did nothing to improve that offensive line.
He just sat there and screamed at them the whole time.
Yeah, yeah, but absolutely screams of Tom Brady is 42 years old, is gonna be 43.
He doesn't move like he used to move.
I'm trying to find you hear this argument, Ray, but he he's gonna have better weapons in Tampa, so there's gonna be receivers getting open.
So the old line, if it's as good as New England's was, he's gonna have more options.
I still think so.
The 20th worst offensive line last year.
What an underrated offensive line.
Only 12 teams underneath them. Good.
And now they got a rookie tackle.
That's gonna put them up to the first overall.
I didn't say the first.
I just said It's like a top 15 line.
Could you? Do you think that it could be argued that they're not going to be a top 15 line by adding one tackle? What about Tom Justin protection? You think Jamis Winston was doing that? No, because he threw 30 picks.
I think Jamis Winston was able to get out of the pressure a little bit easier than what Tom Brady ever will from here on out. Yeah.
See, that's that's something completely different to Joe.
I mean, they're gonna you think that Tom Brady when he's under pressure, is gonna be running around the field.
Then it's going to throw away.
Throw away, throw away.
That's why he had the most throws ways in the NFL last season because you can't get away from pressure.
So, yeah, he can adjust the offense of line a little bit.
But I bet you Jamis Winston made that offensive line look even better than they look last year because he was getting away from the pressure, if you want.
I mean, what I do think Brady can do Ray is if he does see, ah, defensive scheme that he just not like that.
He thinks that will most likely get to him because of, like, overload blitz or something.
He can just change somebody's route real quick and be like, Hey, dude, I need you to do a quick drag.
You know? Just look at him and say, Hey, blue three, you know, and have them do a quick dragged that way.
That ball site, That ball is out of his In 2000 and 18 year, they won the Super Bowl when the Patriots had the number two protection line into in the league Tom Brady was raided 33rd overall in passes under pressure.
Last year, he made a massive improvement and jumped up to 29.
Right, that's what I'm saying, so that in that offensive line is not improved enough toe.
Trust me, that offensive line is still going to be worse than what the Patriots put out last year.
We piggyback off of Lawrence's point.
Right, Ray? How many times did the receivers on the Patriots run the wrong route? I'm sure you saw it a lot.
Yeah, okay, but let's go back to have ***.
How many times did they not run the run route in 2018 C? You're going back to one season saying last year was the problem.
He's been shipped for two years for two years in a 2018.
He they weren't running the wrong routes.
That's the problem.
But nothing changed, see? And they had the number one offensive line in the league, and you had what wide receivers playing properly.
He's been regressing.
You know what I mean? Like we keep looking last year going or what happened last what happened last year.
They won the Super Bowl, but they won the Super Bowl despite Tom Brady lower in 2018 when they won 13 to 3 in the Super Bowl.
I need a moment.
I go get some popcorn.
My point is that I think Tom Brady will have a better season this year with the Bucks than he had last year with the Patriots.
That's my court.
Well, we've got a few more weapons.
You think it's going to drastically better Suddenly, we think decidedly after.
After two years after two years of being 30 13 29 100 pressure, is something gonna jump up to 10th overall under pressure? Oh, no, no, that's that.
I mean, I'll agree.
That's how you get under Brady skin.
That's how you beat in this.
And that's been the book on him for 10 years.
It's not like that's a new thing for him.
It was always How do you think Baltimore beat them all those times? Get the Brady Harp on new and I'm not scared of it.
I got a team you can blitz.
We're gonna pressure him.
Tom Brady's gonna like crap.
What happened in the Giants in 2007 when you going undefeated.
They blitz the crap out of them.
The offensive line gets benched.
Do you really mean? Because all we can't be Tommy's fault that he can't throw the ball when someone's coming? All Russian on your right now? Right here, Right now, You let me know.
If you accept this ring, you let me know if you say is gonna have a better season. That's ridiculous.
I want I want to know.
No, I want to know how much you give you numbers.
Okay, He's He threw for 4057.
He's gonna throw for at least 500 more than that.
Okay, He's going through at least 4500 yards issue and also occupy for 5000.
I know Jamie's through 5000.
Brady's a better quarterback.
He should throw these five 1000.
Jamie's could also throw it twice as far as he can.
I mean, you just really payments apart that Jamie's couldn't do this with the offense of line and and he throws interceptions any through all these interceptions, so that should be 5000 yards easy if that works.
Jamis was throwing deep, like pretty much all the time.
Every game it was, you know, run and shoot, right? No.
He's not gonna be throwing deep that much.
Forgive you all.
I'll cut you a different one.
I'll cut you a different one.
Not the 4500 yards.
Last year he had 2378 air yards.
So that's how money.
That's how far the ball traveled when the when receivers caught it.
Yeah, he can give 4500 yards because Mike Evans gonna get an extra 40 yards and yak than some.
But then, you know, then Julian Edelman did last year.
So if we wanted the equipment, um, or improved year of air balls, I want him to throw at least 3000 air yards this year.
That would be the equivalent of him getting extra 500 yards.
I'll tell you what.
In my opinion, since I think that the running game just brilliant, not good at all in Tampa, I think Brady's gonna have to throw a minimum 40 touchdowns for them to have that many wins that season.
I I'm not saying he will, I'm saying, but the F 35 that's what I would put the over under it because he had 24 last year.
I could see him getting like 36.
Maybe he could even reach.
I could see him reaching the 40 mark because, I mean, their defense is okay, but it's not good.
It's not like, really, really, really good, you know, and he's going to need to be able to put up points, and he's not gonna be able to rely on that run game to do those points or even half of them or 1/3 of them.
In my opinion, that's as to what you know.
He's used to from like, well, but I think since everybody's gonna be so focused on the receivers, nobody's gonna be stacking the box against the Bucks because they know they don't have a running back.
They don't They don't have a running game and guess what? That's gonna open lanes for those average running backs and they could produce.
So Tom Brady threw.
Tom Brady threw 4000 passes last year, right 4000 yards last year.
Not for that 4000 yards.
Do you think it's gonna be much improved right? He says.
4500 Tom Brady for the first time in four years he threw for.
He threw the ball 613 times last season, 613 times.
He threw that ball to get 4000 yards year before he threw 5 70 year before that 5 81 year before that.
4 32 he and thrown six hundreds in 2015.
You think he's gonna throw six the ball 600 times again this season before that old man shoulder falls off? Don't you think he's going to get more YAC yards with the kind of talent that he has on? That's what I'm saying.
Now we're talking YAC yards, so Tom Brady is going to get the credit for YAC yards right that I own it.
Air yards? Yeah, that's why I say I look at ****ytics because anyone, any good receiver can make a quarterback look better.
You're every year.
The Randy Moss years.
That's where he got his yardage yards after the catch.
What I live for any player for any player.
I don't look at regular stats because any receiver can make you mean Julian Edelman had 1000 side.
I think back to back to back 1000 yard seasons.
It doesn't mean he's That's not 1000 yards air.
I guarantee those air six yard passes that Julian Edelman is taken for 15 20 yards.
I credit that I credit Julian Edelman on those yards.
Actually, I I credit the offensive coordinator because he's the one that is drawing up these little quick slants.
Ah, for him to get hit open in zones for him to be able to run free.
I think that's coaching.
So I'm looking at Brady's 2018 because I know that everybody will just throw 2019 at me is Ah, well, look at his weapons and look at this and look at that.
So I'm gonna go 2018 where he had weapons and he had all that kind of stuff, right? Patriots.
We're almost at the top of the league for not dropping passes.
The only A 21 is a team.
So is receivers.
Tom Brady was 33rd overall on pressured completions.
He was 22nd overall on deep passes, 30 on red zone completions with Gronk on the team for the whole season.
Guess we're Tom Brady, ranked the highest of all the stats, that of quarterbacks.
Let's see play action passes and why? Because Sony Michelle ran for almost 1000 yards.
So Tom Brady was seventh in the league, hitting 70% of his play Action passes ranks seventh in the 71% ranking that.
Besides that, Tom Brady was bad in every category.
So and in 2019 the run game struggles.
Tom Brady struggles and everybody blames receivers, right? It's and I watched game after game is everybody line up and say, Oh, it's two receivers this, receivers that and I'm like, Yeah, you know what? Receivers were an issue.
Are we going to remember that that throw that you criticized Jimmy Garoppolo for? I watched Tom Brady do that three times with Josh Gordon and twice with Philip Door Sat last season, I watched him overthrow Julian Edelman like like eight feet in the air.
You what? I mean on a wide open past, Tom Brady is not the accurate passer he wants Waas.
Oh, there's going to be issues.
Will he be better? Yes, because he's got better talent around him.
What does Tom Brady average in interceptions and now wait until you see where I'm going with this? Because I'm not going with this where you think I am.
Ah, how many hidden throw many last year? He's a very safe quarterback.
That's why figure now, Yes, I am going to bring up the 30 interceptions, but bear with me.
Yeah, as soon as a soon as an interception happens, what happens? Your offense is off the field.
There is that Dr is done.
You're not getting any more yards, not gaining any kind of scoring.
You're done over with, right? Tom Brady does not turn the ball over, which means he's gonna have more opportunities to gain more yards and score more points because he's going to keep this team on the field over a longer period of time.
True and again, and Tampa will be a better team.
Is knowledge up, but I want to throw.
I want to throw thes telling stats you from 2018 in 2018 the Patriots supporting cast was rated fifth in the NFL, so that meant from separation from giving him catchable receivers that kind of thing.
They were rated 15 the entire NFL, Tom Brady's protection and 2018 was rated number one overall and Brady three for 4300 yards that season, 29 touchdowns, again 16 intercept herbal passes, 13 danger plays and yet everything beyond play action.
When it came to Deep All Red zone and pressured completion, he rated almost dead last in every category and beyond.
32 in another one.
That's if I and now this.
I can't get ****ytics past 2018.
Otherwise I go back.
But I guarantee you, if we go back to 2017 16 15 14 you're going to see those categories much higher, not sitting down near debt.
And in 2018 was the first year I saw regression of the Tom Brady and I said it and people said I was crazy.
Then they won the Super Bowl in 2019.
We saw even more of it.
He's gonna be now another year older in an unfamiliar territory in an unfamiliar offense.
I don't think things are going to be a smooth as everybody thinks it's gonna be.
Oh, no, I I'm not saying it's gonna be all peaches and cream comes not 28 no more.
He doesn't have this it on the football that he used to.
But I started to notice, even though I don't think he was noticing the left zip on the ball until later in the season.
But I was, if you watched the tape, you could see that he didn't have the zip on it early last season and he wasn't able to adjust to that.
He was still throwing the football like he still had some simple on the football and it was not looking good at all.
Then he started to have to learn how to lead a receiver.
And I think that's where some of these overthrows were happening as well, where he's trying to lead out further because he knows he don't have the arm strength to just gun it in there like he used to, you know? So.
But I must tell you, I'm gonna tell you the most concerning stat.
And if he was your quarterback, you guys would be.
So one of one of my favorite ****ytics for a quarterback is their true completion percentage, right? True compete completion percentage because complete again.
This is where I think quarterbacks get knocked in stats because the guy has a 50% completion rate.
But if a guy's if the team can't catch the ball or get separation and he just throwing the ball away, it's unfair to the quarterback.
It's like of a ball.
Tips out of a perfectly ball.
Perfectly grip ball tips out of somebody's hand.
It gets intercepted. It goes on the quarterback when it shouldn't.
Right? So this is why I like looking stats.
Where do you think he ranked for true completion last year? That means throwing to an open receiver.
You mean that men throwing catchable balls? What place do you think he ranked in the NFL last year? Take a guess.
So forget his receiver problems.
Forget this and that.
This is this is ideal for a quarterback, right? This is ideal.
Right? You're throwing to an open guy.
What do you think is completion percentage one? So this this takes drops into consideration.
So this has nothing to do with the talent he has around him? I don't know, Ray.
Last place, probably 30th.
What? These numbers? What? These numbers they're telling you can in an open receiver.
We're not saying nobody's arguing with you that Tom Brady is not the same quarterback we know.
He's not the same quarterback.
Everybody knows he's not.
He's not gonna be the same how he was. He's old.
But guess what? He doesn't have to be much better if he's a top 10 quarterback like we think he is.
This Bucks team is gonna be great.
Well, good with this office, Especially that offense.
While you call them great than, say, 11 wins.
Well, that's pretty good.
The Bucks will get that special day.
17 11 wins with you as a Ravens fan.
Be satisfied with 11 wins this year.
But are the books at the caliber of the Ravens? Offensively, I think that there talent far surprises yours.
Are you kidding me? Receivers and all that far surpasses the Ravens.
The Ravens have a better run game in all offensive line, but, well, how did the Ravens get into this? If that's not what we're talking about, just asking, you're saying 11 is great, but I'm saying, would you be satisfied with 11 11? The Bucks? When was their last winning season? It had to be like at least 10 years ago.
While that's like saying if the Cleveland Browns won 10 games in a great season, exactly, it's not a great season.
It's a crazy for the Bucks.
It's not a great season across the NFL, Grady.
Maybe not sure, but Tom Brady already did what he needed to do in his career.
Now this is just extra for himself.
This is just him, you know, feeding his ego.
That's all it is.
So 11 wins is not gonna take away from his legacy.
It doesn't matter, you know, But no, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Obviously, he's not gonna be the same quarterback that he was anyway.
There's my trip.
I have one thing I want to say.
Still, so we're probably never gonna get. That's we will.
But I just want to say one small thing.
We'll go back to Peyton Manning.
Was Peyton Manning the same Peyton Manning with Denver as he was with Indy? Ah, I think the first year they went to the Super Bowl Iwas years.
Okay, so he was there four years.
So you say there's a split between the 1st 2 years of Denver in the last two years of Denver? Absolutely.
Injured is last year? Well, yeah, his last.
His last season.
He only played 10 games, but the year before that he had a 6.
5 touchdown percentage, which was better than he did in Indy for the previous eight year or previous six years.
He had a 50% or no.
66% completion percentage, which was human.
66% completion percentage is pretty solid.
I that And that was the year before he retired.
I think it also has a lot to do with just being in a different atmosphere.
You know, Um, I think it really depends.
I think it really depends on Tom Brady and what he's wanting this to come out to be.
Oh, you want comparables? That's what I think.
The Bucks. He could have went to the Chargers.
You know, you gotta win. Lived in outlay.
Could it would have been better for business.
You kidding me? T B 12 in Los Angeles get all the celebrities with their ply abilities.
That's why that's why I thought he's gonna start sign with the Chargers.
I thought he wanted to push the T B 12 brand you need to sell to senior citizens in Tampa Bay. No one here.
What? I mean, like, it's Oh, my.
But would you not make the argument, though, that minus his neck injury, Peyton wasn't showing regression in Indianapolis? And he you know, the only reason they moved on is because he got hurt and they got Andrew luck.
They sucked enough.
You know what I mean? That they drafted.
You know who was supposed to be really the next Peyton Manning you? Yeah, but what I'm saying is, do you honestly believe that this this would be Tom Brady's last year? I mean, do you think that that regression and Tom Brady is that bad? Send it to your contract, Right? He signed a two year contract, but how old was Peyton when he went to Denver? He was a good question.
So he was born in 76 7 There.
Anyone into doubt wealth.
Somebody do the mess.
I am not gonna mess.
He's born in 76 just like me.
Okay, So you 86 when he signed with the Broncos when he signed with Denver and He was priced at 36 and he retired at 40.
Okay, Tom Brady, I know is eight years older than Peyton Manning was when he signed with the Broncos and apply it than Peyton Manning.
Tom Brady was there's his age.
He was 36 in 2000 and 13.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Um, so it's That's, Ah, again, Tom Brady has done something amazing.
All that's where I'll give credit due to be able to play at levels that were even debating about the guy at 43 years old.
It's, you know, I mean, he's done something amazing.
But considering we've now seen two straight years of regression, whether Patriot fans want to admit it or not, we've seen two straight years of not serious regression.
It's not like that.
The Max Kellerman cliff, but we've seen the balls get a little wobbly.
Er, I wouldn't call it a noodle arm like they call it, but a little wobbly.
Last year was the first time I really seen him hesitant from taking hits.
He's getting a little bit more injured when he gets banged up, because, as we talked about it hurts when you fall down, the older you get.
Now we're going into another season at 43 years old, with a week offensive line.
It might take one big hit early in the season.
If I was the Saints, I would say I would.
I would bring back a bounty gate for one game.
Don't hurt him, but hit him hard one time and get him off his rocker and make him nervous.
And this is what it feels like.
A 43 to get hit.
And suddenly you'll see Brady.
There was times last year Tom Brady was seeing ghosts like, literally throwing the ball away.
And he had probably two more seconds toe, you know, stand in that pocket is So will he fall off a cliff this year? No, but it wouldn't surprise me if he takes another step back even more.
All right, So, Joe, go ahead, start your thing.
I'm sorry, guys.
My eyeballs are floating, so I will be back in just a moment.
You You look fine to me. No.
Yeah. You I have to go use the bathroom.
I thought you were talking about some.
No, no. I'll be right back.
go ahead and start the transition, though I'm not do it anymore. But it's okay.
Um, I'm trying to, like, connect the how you guys have said about Andy Dalton and being good for the Cowboys and Tom Brady and the Bucks, but I'm not able to find the connection.
So anyway, proceed ****.
Yeah, but I just think it's it's it's situations.
It's, you know, Brady probably would have been better for the Cowboys, and he was for Tampa Bay, but that was never gonna happen.
You can't have back and Brady on the same team.
That's that's a little bit different.
But again, it's, I mean, he.
But all I'm saying is is I think there's gonna be a lot of they're not gonna be the team that people think they're gonna be.
And you know, Lawrence's 1000 yards on Gronkowski, I think, is insane.
I How do you see them finishing the season? Give me an over under on winds.
No, I'm good with 11.
And again, yes, for the box, that's great.
But if we took that same, cast the characters and put them in New England or Baltimore or whatever that be sort of a disappointing season, would it not? Yes, but again, we go back to the culture thing, right? Yeah, but I'm just comparing it to the NFL when you have that amount of talent.
11 wins at this point, I think 11 wins would be disappointed for Cleveland this year with that group.
Especially if you gotta fight for you know, you're in a wild card on the road because 11 games could be a wild card on the road and you've got that kind of talent it wants any other team.
Yes, but if it senses the Browns, I don't think that would be disappointing.
I'm just saying when I'm talking about what? About hyping this and that it has to be comparative able to the NFL.
You what? I mean.
And with that group with Tom Brady, that should be a 12 13.
You know, a 12 13 win team and we're saying they're gonna win around 11.
And to me, that would be a disappointment.
11 and five, you know what I mean? Like it.
And that means you're that me.
And even if they you know, we say, Oh, it's a tough division.
That means that teams are superior to you.
Yeah, I but it I hear you, But I am pretty big on.
I think culture is a real thing.
I absolutely believe in that, right? So that's why I think like you get 11 12 wins with Tom Brady on the Bucks would be a phenomenal season for the books.
They would cherish that season forever.
They don't even have to, like, do go that far in the playoffs.
If they get like a playoff win.
Oh, that's a dream season for the Bucks.
Are you kidding me? But then, how come for Tom Brady foot? Then how do you and then you know what happens when Tom Brady is not happy.
And then Tom Brady's mood changes mean Tom Brady gets angry.
Tom Brady wins a game and he pouts.
What what if Brady is not coming to Tampa Bay to win a Super Bowl? What if he just has come into Patties? Stats.
Get his numbers up. Have fun.
Brady is there to prove the ballot track that I can win a Super Bowl without you.
Brady has a clock in his ba*****t that counts down to the Super Bowl that starts as soon as the Super Bowl finishes, you know, I mean, I don't know if it's in Kobe's.
How are Jeter's house right now? But it's what I mean.
It's no, no, he's there.
If he was just there to stop pad, you could have done that in L. A.
But I mean, he picked the team.
Apparently the Saints were one of his options.
Of Breeze was going to retire.
He was thinking about the Saints.
Now the rumors I heard with Saints had no interest in him.
But, you know, But yeah, he definitely said the Saints were an option.
No, he was looking for a team that was a Super Bowl caliber team so he could go win a Super Bowl and say, I'm 43 years old.
He also wants to turn around and say, Look, at 43 years old, I want a Super Bowl on the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Nobody's better than me and Yadi Yadi Yadi, yada yada.
So it's and and yes, so and again.
So if you so you you win 11 12 games, you make the playoffs, you get knocked out.
Now you got 44 year old Brady.
I mean, ain't playing after next year.
Let's face it, he's not going to be playing and he's only 50 years old playing football.
So you think basically New Orleans Saints should go out that first game and just send overload man blitzes? I rest just blitz the crap out of Brady.
Since 67 people every every down, all they have to do is slant Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, every player.
But I'm saying even if you lose that game, even if you lose that game because it trust me, just hit him, let him feel let him secret.
I'm telling you he saw Ghost in New England this year.
We saw it him getting rid of the football.
He felt the pressure when the pressure was in there.
We've never seen that out of Tom Brady before and I'll pull up clips.
And if you want to look at the tape, I've never seen Tom Pre.
That's why he has 1/3.
That's why he was 30th and true completion rating because he was under throwing balls and over throwing balls was getting rid of the ball so quickly because he was seeing ghost bang him around.
That's gonna help the Saints the whole season the whole season.
Because suddenly those slant routes Tom Brady has thrown them very fast and very quick.
You can't single cover my kids.
That is a fool's errand.
If you do that straight up.
You know, if you single cover Mike Evans and just blitz Brady, he all he has to go for O.
You're gonna I don't even know how tall the Saints quarters are, but I know they're not gonna be able to beat out of Mike Evans, O J.
Especially if they're all of the field drunk.
You guys were thinking about 2017 2016.
But it's so Brady can't just throw it up to my get.
It's Just toss it up. I could do that.
No, when you're scared.
Okay, if Brady's scared that he has other issues, what he put that saying that I've watched every single Patriots game for the last five F in years.
He's doing things we've never seen him do before.
We're watching him.
Just get scared in the pocket.
We're seeing him see, ghosts were watching him under throw a wide open Julian Edelman because he felt pressure that was 12 feet away, that we've never seen that a top rating before.
That's the point.
I'm getting that.
I don't give a **** if Mike Evans is 50 yards wide open, shaking there and praise.
Got a freakin cannon to shoot at him.
He's getting scared in the pocket.
That's the big difference.
Tom Brady's 43 years old, and he's trying to play like a 27 year old.
Lamar Jackson is not afraid to take a hit like that because he's young and it doesn't hurt as much.
Right? We've seen it.
I'm sorry, largely sought with Philip Rivers last year, he's starting to get to that.
I don't want to be hit phase you what I mean.
And when you get to that, you start seeing the bad things happen.
And that's what say we start things that bring me last year.
Forget the wobbly ball.
Forget the wobbly balls.
Forget all that.
I've never seen Tom Brady, scared of the pass rush aims.
I've seen where he's *****ing and moaning about Terrell Suggs sacking him every time Ray Lewis hitting.
He's always been like that.
He hates getting on.
Know everybody, hates getting you water between eight getting hit and then dropping in the fetal position before anyone practice you.
And that's what he's doing now.
He never used to drop in the field was it used to take it so he won't take a hit and throw the ball anymore? This is what I'm getting, that he's throwing away football's when there is no pressure.
OK, then this is.
This is what we have never seen as clot was.
Often he's like notice to close.
One thing that Brady has always been right.
He's got the best internal clock.
That's what every frickin announcer says, right? He's got the best internal Brady knows when they get rid of that football.
Well, that clock was two seconds ahead, seconds ahead.
I've never seen it before, I think 20 Roma pointed out.
He just say almost one who said it.
Brady has been seeing ghosts all season like he's just, you know, we missed settlement on that throw because he felt the pressure, but he the pressure wasn't really there, you know, like he was feeling pressure that didn't exist.
That's a mental thing Brady's brain and mind has always been better than his physical attributes.
That's been the piece of it.
So, yeah, he can shift formations and he can change coverage.
And he could do this to do that.
But when you're feeling pressure, that's not there.
And teams aren't blitzing you.
I'm telling you, I'd blitz him a few times. I'd hit him after.
Get rid of the ball, take a 15 yard penalty.
Yeah? Can I throw some conspiracy theory out? Yeah.
You said he started looking bad.
You believe back in 18? What if he trash last season on purpose to get out? What if he made himself look bad on purpose to get out? I don't think he do that.
He could have got out.
Even if you look great.
His contract was up.
He could have walked away at any point.
It's not like they traded him because he was getting bad.
No, but I think you know, you had a great season.
Would would they have re signed him or it? Well, I know they they did want to re sign him already, you know? But you think Brady would have wanted to come back.
They offered him a $15 million contract in August, and Bill Bell check was not willing to give him any more than that.
Oh, Belichick didn't want a two year, $60 million quarterback at 43 years old like it.
It's just, you know, Belichick wanted to trade him in 2017 like, Let's not, let's not forget that Belichick wanted to get rid off, and then they want another.
Suits like Grady thank the season.
Lawrence's No Politic didn't want him there anymore.
Why win the Super Bowl in 28? I don't believe in guys doing that.
All that does is talk.
All that did last year was tarnished.
All it did was bring people go on the gold.
Look, he's fallen off the cliff.
It's every sports announcer was having a fuel day with Brady.
That's not a great thing.
Didn't really tarnish his legacy because he's got a two year, $60 million contract.
That's money money, that's what I'm saying.
Though money has never been an issue for him ever in his career, suddenly much money became an issue.
I don't think he throws this season away.
That's like people saying that Belichick threw away 52 when he benched Malcolm Butler.
Like Valtrex, Ego is too big to bench a guy over friggin ego because he knows the Super Bowl losses, a blemish on his record, the Patriots being embarrassed and that offense and Tom Brady were embarrassed against the Tennessee Titans.
That offense was embarrassed by that Tennessee offense or defense.
Brady's not gonna throw that away.
Just like like, Ballot Shack is not going to throw away Super Bowl 52.
Okay, fair enough.
I see what you're getting it.
I like my transition better, but that's fine.
Um, well, they actually had no intentions of that, but it just worked out there. It started.
I started working.
Well, now we know the real reason Malcolm Butler was benched, right? Or at least supposedly supposedly.
There's a better, more articulate words that you could see, but I can't think of it right now.
Um, allegedly allegedly there you go, allegedly.
But technically, if that's the case, it was ego.
That Malcolm Butler.
I think it's a little bit beyond you. Go.
Yeah, but this is a little bit beyond ego.
Let's read the alleged incidents that, um, that that apparently happened during Super Bowl week, and I'm going to try to, um, kid friendly this up.
Butler was in bed with an Instagram model.
I don't know if you guys know who that is co**** in his hotel room, which normally would be no problem.
So apparently Baljic has no issues with the guys bringing girls in the room, which is different, but I didn't think he would be, so I like to learn something by that.
The front desk called the Patriots staffer, who was in charge of the Patriots blocker rooms because of reports of excessive marijuana smoke coming from bottlers room, causing his smoke alarm to go off.
They went the Butler's room the first time, and he said he would keep it low key.
Two hours later.
Same thing Steve Ballot.
Jack and Eric Rowe went to the room for the second time, telling him to make the girl leave, and it was time to go to bed.
Butler told Steve, The only re shun you got a job is because of your daddy, our guys.
I read that exactly as it was written.
This led to shouting back and forth and Butler push Steve into the wall and ended up knocking him into a hotel room painting that was framed and the glass cuts Thieves back up pretty bad.
That's why Butler did not play in the Super Bowl.
Believe me or not, but it's true.
This was the last straw after Butler had already been playing poorly through the previous two playoff games.
A high ranking Patriots staffer.
It's this guy's brother in law.
Ah, he's on the business side, not the athletic staff.
But now I'm wondering if maybe Stevie B had a little bit of, you know Beef with Butler before.
Or maybe Butler didn't like the way Stevie B would address him or something.
I don't care what he do.
Stevie B is a coach on the team.
That streak is if I was a coach, advised the head coach, and someone puts any of my coaches, whether it's my kid or not, whether your Malcolm Butler Tom Brady, you want to push me, you're not just not playing the Super Bowl, you're not dressing for the Super Bowl.
You're not allowed in my dressing room for the Super Bowl.
You want to watch the game, You better have an extra ticket to get your ass in the seats and watch the football game.
Let's also not forget the Bill Belichick cut a guy the day before the Super Bowl.
Yeah, I mean, it's Bella.
Jack doesn't play around with this kind of stuff.
So I think having using the name Steve Ballot Shack and people want to say It's Patty.
And he was a coach on the on the coaching staff and you can't put your hands.
You think John Harbaugh is gonna tolerate somebody putting? They're putting their hands on a coach.
And it's also Super Bowl Week in your in your room, smoking blunts like I know.
But it doesn't say in there that Malcolm Butler is the one that started the pushing.
What if Steve started the pushing and Butler just pushed back then is but learned such a bad, bad, bad situation.
So, Lawrence, your your I'm not saying that's what happened.
You goto hypothetical.
Let's pretend it is.
You go to your son's room because that's the equality of a coach going to a player's room It's Daddy going to settle down the boys, you know? Are you played football? We all said we all played football.
Okay? Your coach walks in Lawrence and says, because I know in my day what would happen.
Your coach walks in, says it's Super Bowl week.
Stop smoking weed.
Um, I mean, tell this girl to go home. It's time to chill.
This is the second time the hotel has called us because, you know, if they're not a New England patriot that guys get has asked tossed out of the hotel, right? And your coach and one of the team leaders, Erik Row, one of the team leaders, is there to tell you to tell the girl to go home.
It's time to settle down.
He turns like a The only reason you got a job is because your daddy Yeah, he was being in s.
You know what would happen in 1985? It would have been a portion when I got a smack to the side of the head with a with a closed fist from your coach.
You know, I mean, honest to God, I would have grabbed if Malcolm Waller was said to me.
I would have grabbed him and physically threw out of the hotel room through his clothes after him.
Tell him to get the F out of the hotel.
Just and I don't care if it's Steve Ballot check.
Any coach in the world Number one, it's a second.
You're a professional.
You're a professional athlete.
Let me tell you what would happen if my boss had to come on a business conference trip.
Because twice I've been smoking marijuana in my room.
I mean, all this kind of stuff. And I turned around, melt off to him.
Fat Castor Better give me a raise because I'd be on the unemployment line the next day.
Yeah, no, I think that we we all agree he was at Malcolm.
Butler was being an ass just straight up. He was being enough.
And this, like Lauren said, he had to be on something else, right? I king Maybe he was doing a little of the coke.
Whatever it was, you know, something? Um, yeah, because Mentos and Coke is not good for you.
Yeah, that doesn't go down.
Well, um uh, yeah, I told now all that's all I had to see.
If it is true, then, yes, I can absolutely see what Bill Belichick benched.
So I was just looking at the child.
Just Patriot fans.
Are they? What are they upset about? What we said nods for me because it's it's any time you you say anything bad about precious Brady, The people I see.
So there, Brady fence, not patriots who don't go there.
No, it's like it's people think, because I criticized Brady.
I don't appreciate, you know, it's I don't understand why people think Well, if you criticize him but erases everything he's done for the last 20 years, your brain it doesn't like it doesn't erase anything that that man accomplished.
It doesn't erase it whatsoever.
It doesn't the last year, you know Peyton Manning, because he was so bad that that erased everything that he did that since that's just stupid.
But I think one of the problems and so if you compare that, let's just talk personalities and fan bases, everything, not even fan bases.
But see Tom Brady start showing regression, and he goes on to the mic and start sulking after a big win because the defense played better than him.
And Peyton Manning comes out and says, Denver Broncos won Super Bowl despite me.
I'm gonna drink some Budweiser and I'm gonna have ah, you know, he'll make fun of his own arm.
I mean, you see, when he hosted the spc telling for himself apart, that's the difference.
You don't see Brady doing that.
He takes himself so serious.
You know, people always talk about all ballot.
Cheka, like Brady, takes himself so serious.
And again, it's like, you know, just turn around and laugh like, How can you look at a 13 to 3 win in the Super Bowl and say, That's all because it's hot Brady.
You're when he didn't throw a passing touchdown in the City people because, well, obviously, his main goal is to win, right? But he also wants to be a big part of that wind.
That's part of his ego.
So I think that's what it is now.
A younger Peyton, a younger Peyton had an ego.
Yeah, Peyton relaxed as he got older.
Brady gets gotten more intense as he's gotten older.
Your Damian and his ego's gotten bigger where we're paying.
I mean, I'll never forget that game.
And you know exactly who I'm talking about.
Dungy sends out the kicking team 1/4 down.
Pain sends them back.
The kicking team is standing there because they don't know what to do.
And I'm like Onley.
Peyton Manning, ever roller coaching the kicking team listens to Manning and goes off, and Dungy does well like like this.
And then they go incomplete and no one says a thing about it and done.
She looks at him when he's coming off, and Payton turns and cut, ties him and dungeon puts his head down and stay down at his notes ago, right? Like so.
Peyton had that ego.
Right? Um, I remember that I knocked out of the playoffs.
Peyton, What happened? Way had a blocking problem.
Like he never took accountability.
You what? I mean, like with always a blocking problem and drop, you know, our our kicker gets all liquored up and you know, I mean, it was always somebody else's fault.
But as he got older, he started acknowledging his mistakes.
He started, you know, and then And then he started when he started regressing, which I mean, his final year was just That was the cliff, right? He just He got hurt.
And I mean, he lets him He looked awful in the Super Bowl.
You what? I mean, but he had fun with it.
He was just like, uh Yep.
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Can we go back to the Malcolm Butler thing? Cause I'm kind of fast by this.
I just want to know, Like, what if Malcolm Butler was, like frustrated? Because, I mean, he is.
I think the highest point of his career was obviously the Super Bowl against the Seahawks, where he won the game, right and became the M v p.
Um, what if he was frustrated? Cause he noticed, like, Oh, man, I'm you know, I had that big moment, and I've never really been the same at that same level.
And then this this kid, this coach's kid is over here yelling at me.
You know what? If that's part of the frustration, it could be.
I mean, butler had an awful season that year.
That's something I always remember.
Ah, I always remind people is, you know, we're acting like Malcolm.
But Lynn Butler was Malcolm Butler.
What some kind of type and speak at the same time, racking like Malcolm Butler was to fund Gilmore.
You what I meen and bow check held them out, given Fuller was getting torched.
I have a group chat of Patriot fans were talking about last night like he was getting torched all season.
He had an awful playoffs, too.
So slowly say, like people have tried to blame 52.
I'm like, Man, I'm like, I'm not even saying that we're gonna win Even if Malcolm Butler plays.
I mean, he do better than Eric Rowe Air Crows my least favorite patriot of all time.
But, um, no, I don't know, man.
It's, um I'm trying to look something up about Butler because I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that butler got Lake kicked out of college.
Did he? Something of that nature.
I'm trying to find it up, but he got like he got in trouble it for attitude and stuff at school.
He got suspended from his college team for behavior.
You was OK with 13.
Was he ever like a top level corner? Would you say or was he just playing the role? Well, for a little bit? Well, he was definitely a role.
He was a roll guy.
Like if you go back to Super Bowl 49 which was the interception was the big move, right? And this is where? Here, here's the thing.
And here's the thing about football fans in general.
We love to remember the bad things and never the good things.
So everybody remembers the Bill Ballot Shack benched Malcolm Butler for the Super Bowl in the Patriots loss that's ingrained in every Patriot fans head right? Nobody remembers or wants to remember that Malcolm Butler was a backup, and in the Super Bowl they benched Kyle Arrington and put Malcolm Butler in in his place.
And that's the only reason that Butler was even on the field to make that interception because Kyle Anton was a streaky corner.
They saw him plain streaky and very early in the game, benched Kyle Arrington and put out Malcolm Butler.
Yeah, and then and then he proceeded to sign with the Ravens, where he continued sucking anywhere.
Well, he was streaky.
He can be brilliant, I mean, because the game before Kyle Arrington shut down T Y Hilton.
You what? I mean, like so he could look brilliant, but he was a streaky player, but people forget that.
That was his first time having an active role on the team with Super Bowl 49.
He also led up the flute catch to curse.
You don't mean that, even set up the interception.
And then, if you watch that, people always say all the Malcolm Butler has have you executed? Perfect.
But if you watch that play, if you watch do your job, you'll even see the coaches break it down.
Brandon Browner pulls him aside and says they're going to try the pick. Play.
Don't go around because then they flip back to practice.
He had been beaten twice in practice on that exact same play, and they and Josh Boyce scored touchdowns on him and Brandon Browner recognized the formation and said, I'm gonna And because the interception that wasn't Butler's guy.
That was actually Browner's guy, but they knew, so they lined up in, Browner said, I'm gonna jam him like I'm gonna jam Curse, which was actually Butler's guy.
You come underneath and cut the ball.
So number one, they threw the ball.
Brandon Browner knew exactly what was coming.
You mean and Butler executed? Look, that's a big moment.
Even execute that play and there was contact and you could very easily drop that ball.
And then Marshawn, you know, and then it's all different.
Al Michaels goes old out, was close.
And then, you know Marshawn runs it in the next play in the Patriot at a time of the Seahawks won the Super Bowl and I go home and cry after 33 straight Super Bowl losses.
Um, so, yeah, to me, he's never been a And then in 2017 I started doing videos.
He's never to me, never been a top corner.
I think he never has been.
He was the Patriots top corner for a year because they didn't have anybody else.
I mean, they had, like, Eric Rowe and Logan Ryan, which don't even Yeah, I mean, um, but no, he's always been a roll guy to me.
I don't understand why Tennessee gave him that amount of money.
Like, I don't understand that to me, he was a guy who has been rewarded handsomely for a play.
I'd agree with that.
That's how I felt about it anyhow.
Yeah, from the get go.
And you guys aren't Patriot fans.
So it's not just, you know, my blind rage, whatever you call it.
But, you know, he's been.
When we brought in stuff on Gilmore, I knew his time was to the end.
And I repeat, I've been going, How could you pay Gilmore that kind of money and not paid? Butler? And I'm like this.
You're kidding away Better cornerback into the Foreign Gilmore.
Yeah, that's the kind of guy you pay, you know, $14 million to.
And that was the kind of money that Butler was demanding.
So whether this report, even if this report is fake and false, I live by this today.
If Malcolm Butler starts Super Bowl 52 I don't know if the result is any different.
I would agree with that.
I think that the media made a bigger stink out of Malcolm Butler being benched then because I always stop Malcolm Butler was just an average player that happened to me to be in the right place at the right time and credit to him for that right again. Like you said.
Um, yeah, but I mean, yeah, I I know that the Patriots obviously weren't in an ideal situation with their cornerbacks because Eric Rowe, obviously it's not someone you want to come off the bench.
I will That I will admit Malcolm Butler would have been an upgrade over Eric Road. So there you go.
Yeah, I feel like that.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think he changes the game that much.
Maybe a little bit, but not Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, the past, right? Nick Foles had time to make a sandwich in between passes.
You what? I mean and put his kids to bed.
And, you know, like the past rush didn't come close to him so you could have the best secondary in the world out there.
Eventually, somebody's getting open.
I think they I saw that average Nick Foles had the average of, like 3.
7 seconds to throw the ball where the average would be like 2.
It was he had an almost the whole second Mawr to throw the football, and I will cry sour g****s on one thing.
For instance, with one tie camera who the planning was Jeffries.
They counted a touchdown that all season it wasn't a touchdown, and they changed the rule before the Super Bowl.
You mean you're talking about? Actually, I think that was hurts.
Bizarre story, No hurts that cause Earth was when he dove and it looked like it could have been told it was the back of the end zone.
And when he takes a step out that ball still, you know he doesn't have that full control, which I thought was a stupid rule.
I was happy they changed it, but I'm like, Why did we change it for the Super Bowl? Like, why did we have the same rule the whole season? And then, like I remember, I like I think it was Al Michaels called.
That game is like, just in case people are wondering, they changed the rule, right? You know, last week that that's no touch down.
I'm like what the watch for Goodell screws over the Patriots up.
The patron screwed themselves that game.
I can't I'm not gonna blame the raps on one play.
I just like to bring that up because that always irritates me That that touchdown was allowed not saying that would change the result of the game.
I just It just your taste in the NFL does stuff like that.
Well, we said it and change the rule at halftime.
I mean, you know, they gave you a week notice.
I actually, if I know we've been going long, but I got one more question totally unrelated to all this we're talking about.
But it's some interesting I saw today since we're talking about the NFL.
Did you guys read the article about John Harbaugh talking about social distancing? Oh, um, I saw it, but I didn't read it.
So basically, and I think it's gonna be it just happen to be Harbaugh who said it, but I think it could be anybody but basically, Harbaugh was saying is, you know, with all the restrictions they're putting like to keep the six feet away in all the social distance, he said it's actually humanly impossible for them to adhere that he said.
We'll do our best, but it's humanly impossible to run a football camp and adhere to all the, you know, the covert restrictions.
Do you think a teams will give a rat's ass, and do you think they'll follow the restrictions be? Do you think there could be some sort of retribution from the league if they find out teams or just flat out ignoring the, um, the covert restrictions? How about all NFL teams? Take all 90 of their members, drop him into the complex is that they have.
They have to sit there for two weeks and make sure no one gets sick.
And then afterwards they could run all of pre season.
But they're not allowed to leave that way.
They know no one's getting sick.
I just cured the whole thing.
Or how about they just put everybody in big bubbles? And then that's right.
It would be like that movie bubble boy.
It's It's gonna be interesting because, um, just I I don't know.
I know the NFL is hell bent on starting and North American sports were thinking, but I don't know if you guys in Arizona and Texas they're being ra***ed again, and they were the 1st 2 states toe open up, You know what I mean? And, um, it's I just wonder if by the time we get to September, if it's even going to be a feasible thing because it's, I know here, like in Canada, my province.
For the first time since March, we've now fallen under 200.
So it's like, you know, we're starting to open up things, what? On the same day, a news article comes out, a family of 15 people, all caught covert from a family event in a different, you know, a different place.
So, um and basically the doctors were saying, Well, we should expect more spikes and stuff.
Do you guys think we're gonna be able to hold it off long enough? Or do you think that we're going to see a start Stop to the season kind of thing? I think I think it's gonna be held off.
You got to remember a little over a week ago, everybody and their mother was outside protest ing next next to each other in America, right? So I think that's where the spike is coming from.
Yeah, totally strange is the current.
So here it I can give you just a Toronto stat.
Um, we had a big thing two weeks ago where this one park had, like, 10,000 people visited over the weekend.
And it was like the first hot weekend of the year, right? It was a long weekend here in Canada are made to foreign and their associate.
We never got a spike like it.
There is no social distancing or no nothing.
So it was Ah, the are doctor came out Our head doctor ever came out, said we saw no spike from it.
So I think it's gonna My thing is gonna be I think there's gonna be states that are ready to go.
But I'm scared of like I'm looking at like Houston, Texas is being ra***ed right now.
Arizona is being ra***ed.
Like how can those guys number one? They're not allowed to leave the state.
They've got to do it from their own facilities.
That's one of the rules.
If they're rabbits, how can you allow How can they go and have training camp when they have the most people in the hospital? Most people on ventilators cases, air spiking.
I don't understand.
I don't I just don't see a fair training camp.
I got a feeling that the players are gonna go back, and before they even really start camp, they're gonna pull it again and say that it's ah, you know, they might let the coaches state the stadium and do whatever they got to do. But I got a funny feeling.
We're not going to see the players for a while.
They're already talking about cutting preseason to two games.
So yeah, we see with just getting a preseason altogether.
Well, they've gotta have some preseason way, kind of warm up games.
But you know what I think that they should do? Obviously not this year, Kobe.
But I think would be a better than I think it's.
Every team should have to run joint practices, you know what I mean? And then that's where you can get your You can run scrimmages, and that's where you can get your competitive edge is.
But this way, you're not putting risk to your starters.
You're not boring the fans.
But you know what? They won't do that because they won't make money.
There's always gonna be a piece is well, that and also you still want to see, like the rookies actually get some playing time in an actual game, right? Which is, I think, one of the main reasons for pretty because there's there's a huge difference between running scrimmage with another team and actually playing a live game.
I get what you're saying.
But remember watching an interview with ballots, high class traitor in the preseason? And they said, like how important are the preseason games to you? And he goes, Well, it gives us the opportunity is being serious like he's not being egos.
It gives us the opportunity to look at three or four guys that are kind of on the brink of making the team exactly.
But I'm just take three or four.
You run four games so they can watch three or four guys.
But those four guys could be playing in court in backup roles, you know, but you're playing four games to get TV back of.
You can figure that out after one for some of those backups are actually starters on special teams who could end up being very important special teamers.
I think you could figure that out in one game.
I think it should be cut down to three games.
I think two games at the very most two preseason games and then start the season that what you could have at least one game.
That's a dress rehearsal, right? Because right now we three of the preseason is the dress rehearsal.
So week one can be where you look at those three or four guys week to be your dress rehearsal and then start the **** season.
E don't know, Ben.
Oh God, I don't want me this year.
It will be that way.
Yeah, so we'll see if your theory is correct.
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It's Friday night.
It's quarter to nine.
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I think it's time that we say goodbye.
I, ah, just you guys know Joe, who works for my company.
I cannot name on this show.
Um is tracking down the Butler story as we speak, actually trying toe.
Well, if I say try and I know he's listing is harassing Eric Rowe Chinese get trying to get his, uh, his opinion out.
If I hear anything, I will bring this back up so we can see if there's any confirmation or this is Bs or no common.
It seems like a legit story.
You know, I could solve these.
We're trying to confirm it.
Once we confirm it, I will let everybody know.
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