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00:05:37
Hello, everyone.
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And welcome to FBC NFL Live.
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It is June the 10th and we're back here talking football once again.
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And today it's all about the A of C E.
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So I'm not gonna waste too much time.
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I'm gonna get right into it.
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If you looking at me on the screen, I'm on the bottom right above me.
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That's Mr Brand Away Way.
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Bre e told your folks forgot on the air.
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Ah, I told my co host that I'm having trouble speaking today, so you're just gonna have to bear with me.
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Ah, Brandon, Ray, He's our fbc, uh, bills managing and a terrible said bulls.
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We don't do the bulls right now.
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In that top left corner, we got FBC Packers and, ah, fantasy football managing editor.
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And, of course, right to my right and your left.
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That's right.
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Mr Jesse Pearson, FBC COLTS managing editor.
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How we doing today, fellas? Great about you guys.
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Excellent.
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OK, One week closer to football.
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Well, what about what else is there? Yeah, that's what we got.
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So, um, what were the way Kyle center here because he didn't say my name, but yeah, my package My, my upon My apologies, Kyle.
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I figure you're on our show in the morning.
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All the time.
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The folks pretty much know where you are.
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They don't really need me to tell them.
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I don't even think I am satisfied.
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Snow injured, actually, kind of like actually e no introduction.
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So literally we're not going to give him one, so no.
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So, yes, it's Kyle Center, folks, if you don't know already.
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And unfortunately, don't have name tags up here, which I'm kind of thinking I should, you know, So I can kind of avoid having Teoh do all the introductions old time, and just say, Hey, look at the screen if you can't read.
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Well, too bad.
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Just guess who these people are, but no, we're here.
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We're gonna talk.
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We're going to start previewing each division as we get closer and closer to what we think will be training camp.
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Um, we're obviously ah, being positive.
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Or at least I'm being positive.
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I think everyone in this room right now is trying to be positive for the return of the NFL.
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I think the other leagues exactly cross those fingers.
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The other leagues are, ah, pacing on pace to get to the start of their seasons or finish the season that was interrupted.
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So we're excited for that.
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So we're going to start by previewing divisions and where else to start with Wonderful, Wonderful A f C East, the division that has been absolutely owned by the Patriots.
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And, I mean, and when I mean owned.
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I mean, you know, to the tune of 2093 against the Bills in the last 18 19 season.
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That's that's That's just I mean, that's that's called pure domination by one team over another.
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Um and, uh, are we gonna get that again this year? I don't know.
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Not is likely because Tom Brady is out of the division, which again brings a big smile. Teoh brand.
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It's face above me.
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Um, he's happy about it.
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I know Dolphins fans are happy about it.
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Jets fans.
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Well, you're still Jets fan.
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So regardless of Tom Brady's, they're not your You still have to root for the Jets, so I don't know how you, you know, reconcile that.
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But hey, it is what it is.
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We're here to preview the A F C East, and there's a lot of intriguing things about it.
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Obviously, I do think, Ah, the uncer*****y around.
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And obviously we're gonna focus a lot on the quarterbacks, especially to start right now, because really, that's that's That's to me the theme of this division next season.
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And it's not that one quarterbacks better than all the rest.
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It's that we don't really know who the best quarterback in that division is.
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We've seen film, obviously, on Josh Allen. Sam Donald.
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Um, you know, obviously Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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You know, he we know he's not the long term started.
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He's likely going to be the starter to start to season, but who knows if we see to, uh, at some point And of course, we got Jared stood him up in New York, New York, New England.
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See, I'm already screwing things up.
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Um, so where you know, where do we stand it that you know, with quarterbacks? I mean, where is the strength? Because, in my opinion, if Jared stadiums at least at the same level, it's se Sam Donald and Josh Allen.
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I think doing New England's quickly still the best team in this division, it's just a matter of who Jarrett Stidham is.
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And if he's a competent quarterback then, um, the Patriots defense, combined with you know what they've been able to do.
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I still think they're a favorite.
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So, Kyle, the guy that I did not introduce the packers guy up there.
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Um, what do you think? What do you think? What's your first impression? Just of this division? You don't have to go too deep, but ah, just overall impression.
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You know, quarterback wise, team wise.
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What do you see? Well, yeah.
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Yeah. Question marks abound.
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We have two years of experience of Josh Allen and Sam Donaldson way.
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Do you know who they both are? Well, say did like the step up we saw from Josh Allen last year.
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And I think it showed in his numbers.
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Completion percentage went up is a rookie was 52.8%.
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You're to 58.
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8, So a 6% increase.
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That's pretty significant, especially considering that his yards per attempt actually went up 6.
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5 to 6.7.
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So it's not as if he suddenly started dinking and dunking mawr.
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You know, he was throwing Justus deep is he was the previous season and just got more accurate with it.
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I know his connection to drawn Brown really helped.
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But certainly touchdown rates went up 3.
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1 as a rookie, which really isn't that great.
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4.3.
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Still not amazing, but it's that's where you want to be and an interception rate going down from 3.
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8, which is nice.
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S Jamis Winston level interception rate down a 2% last year.
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I remember the interceptions early in the season.
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You correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wrong, Brandon.
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But there was a stretch mid to late season where he didn't throw an interception.
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What, like 67 games? Yeah, it was about that rate.
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The one thing about Alan is that, like, you know, bring up statistics.
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He was the only starting quarterback in the NFL to not for an interception in the fourth quarter or in the red zone.
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So I was just kind of the fun things.
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Larrin.
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But yeah, there's a well to be fair buffalo pass the ball out during that stretch, so it's kind of hard to.
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But there's about a good month, month and 1/2 where there was no pics room.
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So certainly, you stepped up, really, the I think it was very clear that, you know, from a rookie to a sop****re, he really ah took a step now to be the best quarterback in this division.
00:11:47
It's up for grabs, but I think he's gonna take another step to get there.
00:11:50
Um, I do still think Sam Donald's quite talented, very accurate passer, someone who couldn't complete toes all over the fields.
00:11:57
I think all of us bad talking Bill O'Brien, which we gotta do every episode.
00:12:02
It's a quiet, but you in this division, I think there's a clear coach that we could all look, look, look down on its Adam case.
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And I am concerned how much of Sam Donald's growth is going to be stunted by the fact that Adam Gaze has been his quarterback, uh, early this early in his career, and I don't know if that extends beyond this season.
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I'm sure Jets fans are probably hoping not, um, everyone else in the FC is probably hoping. So.
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Help the easy wins.
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But, you know, as you mentioned, we have no idea, really who stood him is I know we could, you know, look at the very little he played last year.
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Uh, pick six.
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Not not very good, but, you know, being thrown into last into game situations, not really prepared.
00:12:42
I only gets necessarily affair call instead of but relatively unknown tongue.
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Barlow has zero NFL experience, but certainly in college.
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Looked really accurately.
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He you know, questions about the hip.
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Is he still gonna be the same thrower, same player that he was post hip surgery and that really not going to know until he takes the field and we see it in a long term and helped the side.
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But I think I'm almost a little more concerned, just immediate ability to throw.
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Sounds like he's recovered well and so that there shouldn't be any concern.
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But again, until we know for sure it's it's a question mark.
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So think so To answer the question, I I I actually think it might be Josh Alan just because he is so tough to defend because he can run and throw, and I think I'll talk with a bit more later.
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So leave to someone else.
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Yeah.
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What do you What do you think, Jesse? Yeah, I mean, team wise, I think we'll get into that a little ****her along, but I don't know.
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I think team wise.
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I like what? Buffalo.
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I like the position that buffaloes in.
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But just from a pure quarterback stamp, would you say Who is the best Corvette? I might almost lean towards Sam Donald, and I can't say that he, you know he hasn't done a ton in the league.
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Hasn't really proven himself.
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But to that effect, nobody really has, either.
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I mean, Josh Allen went to the playoffs last year, so you can't discredit that.
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But to say who would you rather build a franchise around from scratch, Donald or our? I would probably say, Donald, if that's the comparison we're using and instead of yeah, I mean, it remains to be seen.
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What he is is a quarterback, but they don't have a ton of help around him.
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Still, I mean, Tom Brady had a really poor statistic.
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Well, by Tom Brady standards, a really poor statistical season last year and stadiums basically gonna be throwing to that same group of receivers, so I don't really know how things are going to shake out there.
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I still think New England is gonna win 10 games and go to the playoffs just because of Bill Belichick in the defense and you know, the entire organization that they have.
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But I like Buffalo.
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Probably win the division, maybe be a game ahead of New England when it all shakes out.
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But if we're sticking to the original question, just saying Best quarterback, I'd probably say the same, Donald, although I think New York is probably gonna be the worst team in the division this year.
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So for what it's worth, congratulations.
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You have the best quarterback in the worst team.
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So there you go just well in in, Ah, when it when it comes to Rue Clerc.
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When I when I looked it guaranteed him.
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I also anticipate, Ah, much better Year two from both McKeel Harry and Mohammed Sunu with the Patriots.
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I think things, unfortunately just didn't work out last year for, you know, injuries sake and just a number of reasons.
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But I I do think they're both good, really good players that that can thrive.
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And I think Stadium also has a pretty good connection with Jacoby Meyers.
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We saw that in the preseason, and of course you know, guys that are, you know, 3rd 4 string are usually working a lot with the backup quarterback and that was sitting last year.
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So I will.
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It will be the same offense around him, but at the same time, it's going to be different because, you know, assuming good health, I don't think that the Patriots offense could be as injured this year as they were laughs.
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Because again, that would take quite it.
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Quite a bit of a bad luck in the second consecutive season.
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So, uh, although I will say you're clearly not a Chargers fan to say that a team won't be is injured one year to the next basketball Chargers fans that works at the Chargers, that they're an outlier.
00:16:01
Okay, you know, we talk about the NFL all the time.
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It has the most parody in the entire NFL or in the entire sports world.
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Except, you know, the Patriots are an outlier.
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In this case, the charges are not liars.
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To be fair, they play in a soccer stadium.
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So, yeah, there Is that a soccer stadium? A baseball field where wherever there's a field, that chargers will play.
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Um, but no.
00:16:26
Brandon, What really? Hill Meadow? Yeah, well, if a couple fans show up there doing pretty good.
00:16:33
So, um, Brandon, what do you think? I I know.
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Obviously you're gonna say Josh Allen, right? You know, he's the greatest quarterback ever.
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Correct.
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Incorrect.
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So I'm not too stuff here, right? Eso on three down.
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So obviously dolphins.
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So from a court backs from a corner back standpoint, I think the dolphins have their court about the future.
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I think to ah is a phenomenal player.
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I think he's a great passer by Get comes down in the injury history.
00:16:57
How is he gonna take ahead? And that had been able to do on Reebok because those colleges that he was taken are way different than professional because he takes ahead from someone like like a Tremaine ended Zormat, Milano, someone players who hit very hard.
00:17:11
And they do the simple technique.
00:17:13
How is he gonna be able to balance that? So I think if he stays healthy, two could be economic or back for my future.
00:17:20
Ryan's Paget's get started more than likely, no matter what, and you know whatever plays out New England, Jared.
00:17:26
Still, he can play.
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There's no doubt that he can play, you know, And I think because he got Bill Bell, check as a coach and because it's New England, there's the Patriots.
00:17:35
You can't count him out just yet.
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I don't judge Stadium off the pick six.
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Construe ma am's that I love it. Absolutely.
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But like, obviously, you can't judge it based off of one bad play.
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Because, you know, I lived through the Nathan Peterman experience, and I thought he was a steal of draft 2017.
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Wait, Say that again.
00:17:51
Say that again.
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One more time.
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For the record, I Brandon, right, Nate, I thought Nathan Peterman was the steal of the draft.
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27 seas in the fifth round.
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And that type of every resume resume they used to make from here on out TV fare.
00:18:05
I actually thought Peterman was pretty good, too.
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I I was I thought he was gonna be something, Remember, in fantasy thinking, OK, he's I thought he was the clear fifth guy in that class.
00:18:13
Obviously.
00:18:14
Really? Only two guys like last time being good.
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I was I was so big baby believer into strong Kaiser. It's ridiculous.
00:18:20
Yeah, I was happy when it came to Green Bay.
00:18:23
Well, this is turning into quite the confessional.
00:18:26
Ah, episode here.
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Jesse, do you have any outrageous takes? Where you a Ah, you got you got anything headed in that closet there? I mean, I'm such a colts homer that, like every draft pick, you know, even like the latte, the seventh round 250th overall.
00:18:41
Like, you know, I think he's got a sneaky good chance to be in the league for 10 years.
00:18:45
And then you go to a couple Pro Bowl? Sure, So I won't.
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I won't begrudge you guys of being homers toward any particular quarterback because everyone that's ever worn the horse you is just come in with, you know, a chest of gold.
00:18:59
And then so what you talking about? Istres to the Brown? Don't That is the thing.
00:19:07
Oh, man.
00:19:08
And then with, uh, obviously Donald Allen, that's you know, that's the biggest conversation.
00:19:12
Who is? Who is the best quarterback in division right now? Neither one of miss you know, I think that they both have strength and weaknesses.
00:19:18
You know, if you look at who does more of the ball, it's Josh out.
00:19:21
Josh on is the better dual threat quarterback.
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You can pass it.
00:19:24
He could run it he can, you know, he constructed offenders he can catch past.
00:19:27
So I think that in that aspect, Allen's that clear better.
00:19:30
There is a clear favorite quarterback, but when it comes to simply passing and moving the ball and being smart about it, I think Arnold is.
00:19:37
I had a mountain, and that's hard for me to say, because every time Palin throws stupid throw, I end up like throwing a tantrum when I want to exchange.
00:19:44
But when it comes down to those two, you both good quarterbacks.
00:19:51
They're both young.
00:19:52
Google mature for their age, is in their both could be the franchise.
00:19:55
It just depends how eat powerful organizations set them up a support system.
00:20:01
Well, let's stick to the offense here.
00:20:04
We're gonna kind of group these all together just for the sake of time.
00:20:07
Here.
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We want to be able to cover everything in this division as much as we can.
00:20:10
Uh, but but the skill players around these quarterbacks, I'm talking wide receivers, tight ends, running backs.
00:20:17
Um, which group do you see right now is the strength.
00:20:20
I mean, we've mentioned a few of them.
00:20:21
Obviously, we're just talking about the patriots but I'll start with again.
00:20:25
Once again, the the guy up in that that corner there.
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I think he's a Packers fantasy guy or something like that.
00:20:31
Um, Kyle, who do you give the edge to? What are you looking for? What's the most intriguing Ah group of these four teams when it comes to the receivers, running backs and tight ends, and that's right.
00:20:44
That's right in the fantasy wheelhouse.
00:20:46
Um, and you know, if I look at you know, the best assets to invest in fantasy wise this year, if it's, ah, a super flexor to quarterback league, I think it's Josh Allen pretty easily.
00:20:58
I think those types of formats, he's for sure.
00:21:01
A second round pick me even borderline first round pick overall.
00:21:04
So, uh, yeah, if it's if it's that time of format to Super Flex to keep you have against Russia Allen.
00:21:09
But if it's just a single quarterback, I'm actually leaning a devante Parker, especially down the stretch, definitely showed chemistry with Fitzpatrick, and I think we're all under the assumption that Fitzpatrick's probably gonna start Oh, at least half half a season.
00:21:23
So I think Parker, especially out of the gate, will probably a really great fantasy asset.
00:21:26
Really consistent week to week in terms of its target share.
00:21:29
Yeah, he's going to see tough coverage.
00:21:30
He saw tough coverage last year is still able to produce.
00:21:33
I mean, he had a big game against Stephon Gilmore.
00:21:35
Who, You know, he won defensive player of the year.
00:21:37
The first corner.
00:21:38
What? We looked it up first corner.
00:21:40
Since I think Woodson with the Packers, by the way.
00:21:42
Ah, in 2009.
00:21:43
So literally a decade s.
00:21:45
So I think we could say stuff on Gilmore.
00:21:48
Probably the best cornerback in the league.
00:21:49
Davies Whites right there, friend.
00:21:51
And for the record, by the way, are told by the light.
00:21:56
Now, I got my I got my packers green T shirt on right now.
00:21:59
If you're not watching, I know you can't see me on Skype, but, uh, I could see I could see on the video.
00:22:04
Yeah, okay.
00:22:05
Are looking getting Thank you. Thank you.
00:22:07
Thank you. Um, Brandon. Oh, yeah.
00:22:09
Go ahead.
00:22:10
Just the one other thing, too.
00:22:11
That if I look at the best tight end, I mean, I'm thinking, especially for fantasy wise, and this may not necessarily be NFL football wise, who is the best tight end.
00:22:18
But I think it's very easily get sticky.
00:22:20
Is the one I want to invest in.
00:22:22
Um, I have him.
00:22:23
I think I have it right now.
00:22:25
A tight end, six overall.
00:22:26
So I expect a big year from him.
00:22:28
Without knowing how Preston Williams going to recover from a c l especially early.
00:22:32
I could see Kasicky being someone that they lean on really heavily.
00:22:35
Ah, he's in this tight end here.
00:22:37
I'm gonna call the Spark the Sparks Court here.
00:22:39
These are all players that you performed really well.
00:22:42
The combine, and especially from the tight end position.
00:22:44
We want to see his athletic freaks who can a get yards after the catch.
00:22:48
Because a lot of times the routes of that tight injury are running not nearly as deep.
00:22:52
So it's to ac***ulate big yardage totals.
00:22:55
They're gonna have to do more after the catch.
00:22:57
So I like.
00:22:58
That's why I actually really like no offense this year as well.
00:23:00
John Smith.
00:23:01
That's okay. Sticky falls right in line with them.
00:23:03
Uh, excellent combine.
00:23:05
Big size might be a really big red zone weapon for them.
00:23:07
Still probably, you know, running with Howard throwing a Parker.
00:23:10
But I think it's icky.
00:23:11
Fits in right there nicely.
00:23:12
So I think you've got the best wide receiver.
00:23:14
You've got the best tight end from a fantasy perspective.
00:23:17
Um, and the running back rooms actually think they're all really similar.
00:23:22
And I think to pick out the best fantasy assets at each position in this division, I thought was easy at every position except running back, which I think is incredibly difficult.
00:23:31
That's something maybe we can talk about a bit later.
00:23:33
But ah, in terms of best all around offense, skill position.
00:23:36
Specifically, I'm going to say the Dolphins, What do you think, Jesse? I like the group that Buffalo has put together to surround Josh Allen trading for Stefon Diggs.
00:23:46
I think was really gonna really gonna help his game as well.
00:23:49
So you had a really talented vertical threat.
00:23:52
You have Kobe easily that could gobble up targets underneath, and you have Stefon Diggs.
00:23:56
They can take the top off the coverage.
00:23:57
I also like their third round pick exact moss to be sort of that complementary piece to Devin Singletary, the role that Frank board played last year.
00:24:05
97 years old.
00:24:07
I think Zach Moss can step into that short yardage goal line source situation pretty well.
00:24:13
So just among those five guys, like, you know, not even looking at their tight end.
00:24:17
There are other receivers with with what Alan could do with his strong arm and his running ability.
00:24:22
Then you have Cole Beasley underneath.
00:24:24
You have Stefon Diggs deep.
00:24:25
You have Devin Singletary sort of the do everything back and exact mosque, that the bigger, stronger guy.
00:24:31
It's a pretty good, complementary group.
00:24:33
I really like the way that Buffalo has gone about constructing their roster the last few years on.
00:24:39
I think it paid off last year with a playoff run.
00:24:41
I think they're going to continue to ascend.
00:24:43
So not necessarily looking at it from a fantasy standpoint.
00:24:46
I mean, they should be okay with digs and be easily especially.
00:24:50
But I just like the collection of talented that they're building in Buffalo right now.
00:24:56
In a few years, you might be able Teoh to count on those two tight ends that New England draft adult in Keene and Devon, Aussie Aussie to say that both of them are gonna have a tremendous impact of rookies this year with the first year starting quarterback is probably a stretch, but I do like both of them and their athletic profiles.
00:25:13
We all know what what the Patriots couldn't do with two talented tight ends.
00:25:17
So maybe next year, maybe the year after, I think that they can really assert themselves.
00:25:21
But for now, I'll probably go with Buffalo.
00:25:23
Is the the top overall offensive.
00:25:27
What do you think, Brandon? So, um, obviously I gotta go buffalo just because, um, you know, I would see from a biased point of view, but we'll save that for later.
00:25:37
Um, Buffalo has something that they haven't had a long time.
00:25:40
They have true number one to number two in a turnover.
00:25:43
Three.
00:25:44
You know, when you got the bonding with one John Brown to the right, signing up Beasley, you know, I guess, he said underneath the slot, I think that all three are gonna fit the scheme perfectly.
00:25:53
And there's another name, you know.
00:25:55
It's kind Daddy brought.
00:25:56
Mike is sick because that you think he's I actually think he's the best.
00:26:00
It wants to the best tight end in the division.
00:26:02
But Dawson Knox of the second You tight and commendable, miss.
00:26:07
He had some flashes last year, you know, specifically Week three against the Bangles, where just called a simple pass right about 10 yards stiff under defender and then bulldoze through another one on the same play.
00:26:17
He just provides that extra spark in the pass offense.
00:26:20
His one downfall is that he tends to look for before he catch the ball, and that's kind of one of the biggest things.
00:26:26
But when you look at the running backs Singletary call Motor, he doesn't stop running unless he gets to it.
00:26:31
Three guys on him, and, like you said Zach Moss, she's gonna be that he's gonna be a bigger Singletary.
00:26:36
I cannot seem to be just, you know, a little bit more bulkier, And, uh, when I look at when I look at supporting cast of like Miami, I think that Matt Breda's an instant upgrade, it running back compared to last year, even though there's questions about him and his willingness to state healthy.
00:26:51
But he is a fast, fast running back, and there's no doubt about that. The violence.
00:26:56
See Parker. I think he's very underrated.
00:26:58
You know.
00:26:59
But the key about Parker is that he does well if it's Patrick.
00:27:02
But how will How long will you do with any other court backers? You know, it's kind of a horrible compares.
00:27:07
But Josh Rosen, obviously, Parker went downhill with Rosen, a quarterback in the game played, and when you look at do England, it's again.
00:27:14
It's just a big question mark.
00:27:15
I think you kill Harry has more upside than he does downhill, but it's just a matter taking that *** stuff. And then the Jets.
00:27:22
Well, I mean, you got Denzel men's minister. Good.
00:27:26
You know, *****l Bell.
00:27:27
I mean, obviously he took a downhill, But you still, Bill, you know, you could still run the ball.
00:27:31
You still can't pass out of the backfield.
00:27:33
But the best supporting guys, I think you have to give the edge to Buffalo.
00:27:37
Well, I I think we're just by by the tone and the way in which we talk about the Jets.
00:27:42
I think we all hold them in the same ba*****t position of the A F.
00:27:47
C East.
00:27:48
I think we all think that they're the worst team in this division, agreed.
00:27:53
I know it sounded like a retort.
00:27:54
Gold not open.
00:27:55
And I think so.
00:27:56
Yeah, well, I mean, look, I mean, you know, we we have really dot adult into the coaching, but you know, Adam Gates again, I I'm not a big fan.
00:28:06
I haven't been for a while.
00:28:07
I I thought it was a foot.
00:28:09
This was almost as foolish.
00:28:10
Is Buffalo hiring Rex Ryan after he failed with the Jets? Why are you gonna hire Adam Gaze when you already failed with the Dolphins and it just to me, it didn't seem it seems like a very Jets move.
00:28:21
Don't get me wrong.
00:28:22
Which meant it was a bad move.
00:28:23
And I think ultimately that's that's what's gonna hold them back.
00:28:26
Because I do think Sam Donald has town.
00:28:28
I do think that there is talent on that roster.
00:28:31
I just I mean and they invested in in Bell, and it doesn't seem like Gates really wants tohave Bell on the TSA.
00:28:39
It's just a very strange dynamic there that until they get things sorted out, I can't really put any faith.
00:28:44
Way saw that.
00:28:46
We saw that kind of unfold right from the beginning, where there was things about what they said about Bell.
00:28:53
And weren't they looking at? Who were they looking at recently? That they bring in Carlos Hyde for Ah, work out or something? Wasn't it Davonte Freeman or Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:02
I'm sorry. Yeah. Devante Freeman.
00:29:03
Right? Right.
00:29:04
Um, so again, that just tells you it's like, Well, you have Levy on Bell.
00:29:07
You're supposed to Now again, I You know, I thought the Pittsburgh Steelers waited a year too late to get rid of Levy on Belle.
00:29:14
And I thought, You know, again, he's I always loved when the Patriots played living on Bell, and he did that little dance behind the goal line because the Patriots are a disciplined team and they would never let that beat them.
00:29:25
So I would just sit back and let go ahead, dance around, you're going to get lit up and get knocked out of the game to get injured.
00:29:30
So I was all right with Libby on Bell going to the Jets, But he's still accounted player, and it just it doesn't seem like cases has any interest in utilizing them.
00:29:40
They actually stick.
00:29:41
No.
00:29:42
Well, I actually want to bring it to another topic revolving this.
00:29:45
So go ahead, rant, and we'll get to that.
00:29:46
Yeah, but like when you talk about, like obviously you know, with PhilPet with the offense to my Pittsburgh had I could probably rushed for over 500 yards and half a seat just because they're so big and so dominant, like you could put any back behind there and they should do out like Dallas up until, like, now, this coming year, with terms better being gone, you know, you could pretty much run the ball the entire time.
00:30:07
You could run it down the defense's throat, so I would see when he went to the Jets.
00:30:10
That cycle guy, he's a good running back.
00:30:12
He shows it.
00:30:13
But behind that offensive line, I don't see and connecting for him.
00:30:17
Rushed for 4000 yards, Dad.
00:30:20
That that's fair, Kyle.
00:30:22
Well, and that was just yeah, talk about production and you know what we expect of him and yeah, last year, 789 yards and, you know, you look at his yards per attempt.
00:30:31
His as a rookie was at 3.
00:30:32
5, but every other year it's 4.
00:30:33
74 point 94.
00:30:34
9 his last year at the Steelers four and plummets all the way to 3.
00:30:39
2 last year.
00:30:40
Um, when thing I did like was that he was getting targeted a lot 78 targets.
00:30:46
But, you know, a lot of his targets were coming behind the line of scrimmage, so uh, no, it's not.
00:30:52
It didn't necessarily toe again.
00:30:54
I'm gonna lead it back to fantasy.
00:30:55
It's always my my tendency.
00:30:57
Ah, but that being said, I think it's a division where a lot of the running backs are actually kind of view them in similar tears, Pretty, pretty much across the entire division.
00:31:04
I see a lot of it specifically to player committees, and we could talk maybe a little bit more in New England.
00:31:10
But I see specifically Sony.
00:31:11
Michelle's an early down back.
00:31:13
James Wise, the past catcher. Same thing in Miami.
00:31:15
Jordan Howard Early down, Matt Frieda's the past catcher.
00:31:19
Buffalo.
00:31:20
I think Secretary is more than just, ah, pass catching back.
00:31:22
But it does seem like he's specifically gonna be there.
00:31:24
Their third down back.
00:31:26
Moss is gonna be the goal line back.
00:31:29
I think.
00:31:30
I guess the rest of Kerry's divided between them maybe Singletary more, but I still don't necessary.
00:31:35
Think that Singletary's gonna get everything and I do wonder. Okay, Frank.
00:31:39
Or is there? Yes, but I still think, you know, the volume is one of the best with Bell than it is with anyone else.
00:31:45
Now the efficiency will see.
00:31:46
I do like that.
00:31:47
They address the offensive line, though getting affected.
00:31:51
Um, I think it.
00:31:52
And while pass protection might be a little bit more difficult from, I think especially the run game is where he's gonna have immediate production because of his athleticism.
00:31:59
It something that you know, you can put it Athletic Creek kind out there getting get them in space, just enough to to block people and then the pass protection.
00:32:07
The technique will come later.
00:32:08
So I do think that probably helps Bell immediately more than it helps Donald right away, although they will still helped, are held to be bad.
00:32:15
You know, that line probably won't be as bad as it was last year with the additions not still rookies that have to prove themselves.
00:32:21
So I think running back wise, I probably still stick with love.
00:32:24
Ian Bell.
00:32:25
It's close, but I'd like to get your thoughts on that.
00:32:27
If you had to pick one running back from this division to choose from for fantasy Tennessee.
00:32:33
Uh, that's, uh, fantasy.
00:32:38
Obviously, you know, I think like I said, I think my apparatus still gonna do well.
00:32:42
Um, obviously the offensive line a Miami is clearly not what they have San Francisco, but like there's no there's no argument that once raising open field, he's gone.
00:32:52
That's just who is that? I think he had, like, the fastest time in the building at 22 MPH.
00:32:57
I think, you know, years ago, Yeah, that was That was the season when he was constantly hurt, too.
00:33:01
Like it's like every game he was banged up, but he was still able is still running well, when he was when he was playing.
00:33:06
So and that's the thing.
00:33:07
I think each team has a different type of steaming.
00:33:10
Obviously, my amazement focus on Breda, you know, I think he's gonna be the clear cut number one.
00:33:14
I think the Jets obviously leave Young Bell.
00:33:17
I mean, come on, you can't pay belt that much and not playing the sponsor using this much in New England I think James White and Sony I'm gonna get so Nischelle one more year.
00:33:25
I think Michelle just had a down year.
00:33:27
You know, every every player has it down here at some point some earlier than others.
00:33:31
I think Michelle is still going to be off the cow Bell type of back for a new angle.
00:33:36
But James White, I think that J points excellent back.
00:33:38
I actually hate playing his game play and then with Buffalo.
00:33:42
Obviously, I think that Singletary's giving the first person second down back, and then mosque is gonna be the third down and the gold mine.
00:33:48
So I think it's kind of interesting to see cause you got you got some big names.
00:33:52
Well, you have more production from the not so big name.
00:33:54
So we'll see what happens when discussing the offensive packaging.
00:33:59
I kind of talked more about, like, actual on field fit than fantasy value.
00:34:03
But even in fantasy value, I like Devin Singletary just because of what you talked about earlier, Kyle, where he's gonna probably be getting the bulk of the carries as well as a lot of targets to He's gonna be handcuffed when it comes to the He's probably not gonna have as many touchdown to some of the other guys because that's probably the rule that Zach Moss is gonna have.
00:34:22
But I like the overall volume of work that he's gonna get in addition to the rest of the offense around him, like, you know, talent for talent.
00:34:30
Yeah, Lady on Bell is probably superior and James Wise probably superior, But I like what they'll probably look to do with Devin Singletary.
00:34:37
And I think he's gonna have the ability.
00:34:40
They're certainly going to give him every chance to put out pretty good numbers this year.
00:34:45
And then look, I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with Kyle just from a fantasy standpoint, just because again of all the running backs that I feel I could get that volume and could be that traditional type guy that could is Levy on Bill.
00:34:57
But again, you know, it all depends on how improved that offensive line is really going to be.
00:35:02
And I think it is going to be improved.
00:35:03
You can't get much worse than what it was.
00:35:05
So, um, thank you for indulging my fantasy talk.
00:35:09
Of course, of course.
00:35:10
Well, that's why we brought you on here because, well, you are for a lot of value.
00:35:14
Certainly none of which is your name, because I didn't even bother mentioning it when we introduced you.
00:35:18
But you do bring in some fantasy value, and we like to add that flavor to our show here.
00:35:23
Um, so let's shift gears a little bit.
00:35:27
We've already briefly mentioned, um, the defense.
00:35:32
I mean, we could sit here, rank the coaches, but I I think the only you know toss up we're gonna have is in the middle between ah, Brian Flores and and Sean McDermott.
00:35:43
So I'm assuming you're probably folks are going to lean McDermott.
00:35:47
I probably would, too.
00:35:48
Although again, in my opinion, Brian Flores is one hell of a coach, and I think he's gonna, you know, shine quite a bit.
00:35:55
But I think the rankings in this division are pretty shape toward any disagreement anyone have.
00:36:02
Adam gave three days at the bottom of the Yes.
00:36:05
OK, good.
00:36:06
So no one's going to sit here and say he's better than Bill Bell Check.
00:36:09
Okay, Glad glad we don't have to have that type of conversations on this.
00:36:13
****.
00:36:14
Just aren't ready for that But that's something that someone actually considered that thought.
00:36:17
Yeah, so? Well, I'm looking.
00:36:20
I'm looking at Ah, Brandon up there.
00:36:22
One too many tables he's dreamt about going.
00:36:24
So I think he's knocking a few screws, screws loose anyone ideo What? I do all cameras. Confidence.
00:36:33
Well, I gotta say in yes, you Did you actually say that Rex Ryan failed in New York? No, I didn't say he failed.
00:36:41
I say Sorry.
00:36:42
I miss understand because I think he was.
00:36:44
I think he was a good coach who had some really good players, but he had some very obvious, fatal flaws.
00:36:51
And if I was a team like the Bills who are sitting there trying to, ah, catch the Patriots and I look and see one of his fatal flaws is he just can't get Bill Belichick off of his mind.
00:37:02
Why would you go on? Bring that problem? And that's that's where I have an issue with it.
00:37:06
You know, again, Rex Ryan, I thought, you know, again, a very good defensive coach.
00:37:10
Um, I thought he was a decent coach again.
00:37:13
It's hard when you have that.
00:37:15
Think about that Defense 2009 Jets defense and some of those you Revis yet? Yeah.
00:37:21
Felt go down the list.
00:37:23
That that whole unit was fantastic.
00:37:25
You got some of those? They did pretty well in 2010 right? Yeah.
00:37:28
Back in the playoffs, there's a couple playoff wins there.
00:37:32
I don't remember.
00:37:33
I don't recall.
00:37:34
Okay, um, I, uh this certain amount of information that I could hold it started at 1 23 2010 playoff here.
00:37:41
For me, that's a look.
00:37:43
Up until last year, it was the for.
00:37:45
It was the last time the Patriots weren't in the NFC championship game.
00:37:48
Which again, that far of that long ago.
00:37:50
It tells you something.
00:37:51
I actually also think Yes.
00:37:53
No, actually, that was the last time the Packers actually won the Super Bowl.
00:37:57
So that was a long time ago. You're right.
00:38:01
As much as I could say they were close in 2014 year.
00:38:04
Absolutely.
00:38:05
That's dressing sitting here.
00:38:06
Just open that we could get past, like, to the divisional round.
00:38:09
Hey, last time UFC championship the Colts went to was the deflate gate gauge.
00:38:16
You mean the frame gate frame gate game? Uh, the flake game is the Baltimore game.
00:38:24
The week before.
00:38:25
To be fair, just have come back.
00:38:29
Seem kind of su****ious around, kind of su****ious.
00:38:32
Now you're John Harbaugh are just It was ****y because he got beat.
00:38:36
And in here's the thing.
00:38:37
He complained about those those rules or the ineligible receivers and the pain.
00:38:41
I don't even think the Patriots scored more than three points on those.
00:38:44
They just frustrated the hell out of them.
00:38:46
And it was great because any time I see are bought frustrated, It just brings a smile to my face.
00:38:51
Um, but no getting back on topic.
00:38:54
Thank you, Brandon, for giving us off track.
00:38:56
You know, you have You tend to do that.
00:38:58
Uh, we're gonna talk some defense is because I think I again kind of like the coaches.
00:39:05
I think there's two clear top defense is in this division, and I think it's the Patriots in the Bills.
00:39:11
Both built off the strength of their secondaries.
00:39:13
I think they're arguably two of the top three or four secondaries in the league with a really good front seven.
00:39:21
And I know the Patriots lost a few players, but, you know, we've seen this from Bill Bell.
00:39:25
Check before all How you gonna replace Chandler Jones? How you gonna replace this guy? How you going to replace that? You know, they let go these guys for reasons they have young players ready to hopefully step up.
00:39:36
And I believe that they will.
00:39:37
So I think overall, the Patriots defense is going to still be the best in this division.
00:39:42
Um, the bills air pretty closely.
00:39:44
They're behind.
00:39:45
But the question really is, where is Miami gonna be? Because I feel like the Jets are a lost cause they released.
00:39:52
That's what I'm going in.
00:39:53
Assuming I I'm not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.
00:39:56
Miami, though I think has so much room for improvement and so much potential to improve that it's hard for me to place them because, you know, who knows would have shocked me if they end up being the best defense in the in the division.
00:40:09
I mean, a little bit.
00:40:10
But, you know, I I'm just saying like that the potential is there.
00:40:15
I love the coaching of Bryant floors.
00:40:17
I love what they've started to do down there.
00:40:19
Whether or not they put it all together.
00:40:21
This year remains to be seen But, um, I would probably put them third right now above New York, and I think they're Miami's a case of sort of the some being better than the whole of its parts, like there's not a whole lot in Miami that you look at it like, Wow, that's a really good ball player.
00:40:38
But the way they finished last year, they went four and four over their last eight games after a one and seven starts.
00:40:44
So they source started to buy into Flora's A system, and you can kind of see what what's happening there.
00:40:50
And then they bring in Noah in monogamy like it.
00:40:52
I'm not sure he's really good in press coverage.
00:40:55
So if they just maybe bring him in and, like obvious passing downs, play somebody more talented on the over the slot nickel corner and then allow him to just press outside like he could contribute in a sort of like that, I think.
00:41:07
But yeah, I as you said and it's it's pretty clear the top to our New England and Buffalo and I would say in that order New England, then Buffalo.
00:41:15
But yeah, Miami could.
00:41:17
Miami could push toward like a 500 type season without a 500 type roster.
00:41:23
If that makes sense, Yeah, I that because again this to me it says a lot about the coaching and what they're doing, as like you said as the whole, as opposed to end the individual parts.
00:41:34
So, um, Brandon, what do you think I think that my ami is gonna do? I think I was gonna take the path that Buffalo did from 2018 2019.
00:41:44
This 2019 was there was the crapshoot.
00:41:47
That's that's what's going to but wasn't in that bad because they finished five and 11 and they beat some very impressive team.
00:41:53
They beat a pillow, maybe Philadelphia.
00:41:55
You know, they did be Indianapolis and, in the end, obedient to England in New England when New England was trying to a first round bye.
00:42:00
So there's no doubt that this team is, well, Kochar Brian Floors and I think that while Miami is still gonna have to learn how to make everything click, I think that they have the potential they have more upside than they do downhill.
00:42:13
And I think that they're gonna be a sneaky team to lease challenge for a wild card spot.
00:42:18
I don't think they're going to challenge for the division in the next two years.
00:42:21
Maybe three years.
00:42:22
But, you know, they're gonna be, like, the little brother that it just keeps coming in common and come in, come in.
00:42:28
You know, you can knock him in the face all you want.
00:42:30
They're still gonna keep coming.
00:42:31
You know, eventually eventually might beat them.
00:42:33
But you're gonna be Oh, my God.
00:42:35
Go down already.
00:42:36
I think that obviously, I see what it comes.
00:42:40
New England Buffalo Waffles Built to stop the past, not the run.
00:42:43
I think New England is kind of the same way by thinking we could stop the run more than Buffalo can.
00:42:48
And I think that obviously losing Danny Shelton and losing Jamie Collins and called that No, I think it's gonna hurt them severely.
00:42:55
And I think that that's why No, I'm gonna reloading on the defense.
00:42:59
I think this year Buffalo's gonna have the edge, obviously, because they retained most of defense or any praise a lot of the immediately replaced.
00:43:06
So I think it's gonna go buffalo in New England, Then Miami is the clear victory. And the Jets.
00:43:11
Yeah, down there, E.
00:43:14
I will say the Jets do have some talent throughout their defense.
00:43:17
But, you know, Queen Williams obviously was.
00:43:20
Ah, it was the third overall pick that I had.
00:43:23
Um, and I know people complain the sack numbers weren't necessarily there, but interior pass rushers aren't necessarily gonna gonna have those types of elite sack numbers, even though they're still being very productive to their defense.
00:43:36
Is its pressures hits getting even? Just getting double teams sometimes is the key calls them, that's all.
00:43:43
Jamal Adams.
00:43:44
One of the best safeties and league, I think, um, CJ Mosley.
00:43:47
We saw him, and I have quite a lot of success in Baltimore.
00:43:50
And it seemed like once he got hurt, the Jets defense really came apart.
00:43:54
So as long as mostly can stay healthy, I think especially the run defense should be ableto sustain a bit better.
00:43:59
And and then once, once that once you've left, it seemed like there run defense just fell apart in teams could just move the ball on the ground as much they wanted against them.
00:44:08
But sorry.
00:44:11
You say that being said, I still think they're probably last.
00:44:13
You're probably all right. on that.
00:44:15
Yeah.
00:44:16
I mean, Jamal Adams, you mentioned the talent, but he's another one that, like, is he gonna be there for you on that? Adam Gates doesn't have Levian Bell around, and Jamal Adams doesn't want to be around.
00:44:26
So all these players that they've invested a lot in are maybe on the out.
00:44:32
So it's until they figure things out in New York.
00:44:34
You really can't count on them.
00:44:35
They probably have better individual talents, you know, from on a name recognition than Miami.
00:44:41
But Miami is gonna be a much more competent defensive unit than the Jets would be.
00:44:46
Yes, and I can't and nothing.
00:44:48
I can't discredit CJ Mosley.
00:44:49
You know, Week one with it.
00:44:50
Just put the Bills.
00:44:51
C.
00:44:52
J.
00:44:53
Mosley was destroying the Bills offense singlehandedly.
00:44:54
And personally, I think that the Jets would have beat the Bills that mostly didn't hurt. Second half.
00:44:59
That's that.
00:45:00
I think that's an obvious thing.
00:45:01
If you actually watched that game, mostly was the reason why Buffalo couldn't move the ball.
00:45:05
It's funny, and I have one point sort.
00:45:07
Oh, that's when Singletary started getting the ball at the end of the game.
00:45:10
And maybe, maybe that causes a spark running a different, you know, running to the outside more.
00:45:14
But I also wonder, OK, but did he just have that success in the end the game? Because mostly wasn't in there. Absolutely.
00:45:19
It's good point Grand.
00:45:21
Yeah, Well, good job. Good job.
00:45:23
No.
00:45:24
So, actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna shift this over to you, Kyle, cause, you know, obviously being the fantasy guy and all that, um, I I think you know, again, a lot of people stream defense is I mean, it's tough toe to really ride one defense an entire season.
00:45:36
But in some sense is that the Patriots defense last year was a a candidate to be one that you play most weeks because in a lot of cases, they had a good match, especially early on.
00:45:47
Do you see the same sort of strategy with them or the bills this year? Or do you think especially teams like, you know, just not worth picking up some of these defense is like the jets or the dolphins.
00:45:58
Or at least early on, if that makes sense.
00:46:03
Oh, did we lose him or does he look really sad? Nope.
00:46:05
I think we lost one hell of a freeze frame.
00:46:10
Well, let me tell you, it looks He looks very upset, you know? It's like I told him that the Packers haven't won a Super Bowl since 2010 and Aaron Rodgers is getting close to the end of his career.
00:46:20
Or it's like I said, the Packers have had to 30 years of of Hall of Fame level quarterback.
00:46:25
Point of only won two Super Bowls.
00:46:27
How is that possible? I don't face the batteries.
00:46:34
I you know, I did hear everything bythe four years ago. The mannequin show.
00:46:47
Thank you. I was frozen. Thanks.
00:46:49
If thanks for riffing, will you wait? No, no problem.
00:46:52
But I started laughing, cause have we all seen Harold and Kumar go to White Castle and Yeah, OK, so you know the scene where the driving back to Ah, God, basically where they go to get fixes cars.
00:47:06
Chris Maloney, the guy from Law and Order.
00:47:09
But he there, sitting in the car, they're talking about the plus coming out of his years and everything.
00:47:13
And then they stop talking in about three seconds, go by, and he's like, heard everything you said.
00:47:19
That's kind of what I thought about when you pop them.
00:47:22
But don't worry.
00:47:23
I wasn't trying to hide it.
00:47:24
I wasn't, uh, e guess Caroline Kumar and I make sure a certain activity comment, but, um, you like white capsule, right, Kyle? Fast food.
00:47:35
Yeah.
00:47:37
So defense fantasy wise, I think.
00:47:41
Big reason.
00:47:42
The Patriots defense. Last year, people were talking about the bow.
00:47:44
Especially like you said early on, like, Oh, they were winning people so many weeks and their end of season ranking was ridiculous.
00:47:50
I think a lot of that, though, was pick sixes and elevated great defensive games, shutting out teams without Tom Brady there.
00:47:58
Teoh kind of put them in hot, you know, better situations, whether up.
00:48:03
Um, I do wonder if that's not necessarily going to be the case.
00:48:07
Teams may run against them or if they don't have toe passes much.
00:48:10
That leads to less pick sixes in those type of defensive scores.
00:48:13
Not that fumble recoveries can't be returned.
00:48:16
But you see that a lot.
00:48:17
Last cuz pick sixes.
00:48:18
So I do think that I don't think we see the Patriots be as good of a fantasy defense as they were last year.
00:48:25
Um, I mean again like he is that I prefer to stream.
00:48:29
I don't want to make early investments on defense.
00:48:31
I know I could see it this year.
00:48:32
The 40 Niners defense is probably gonna go 5th 6th round and, yeah, if they produce what they did last year and ac***ulate those type of sacks, Sure, that may be worth it, but, you know, on the weeks where they go up against the Saints and allow 40 points, I don't think they're playing the Saints this year, but they play the Packers.
00:48:51
Now.
00:48:52
The Packers are gonna put a point getting Thursday night game in San Francisco.
00:48:55
But if they went into those types of games, though, they're gonna be e n a l out 48 points.
00:49:00
They're gonna not be worth playing so much that Okay, well, if you take your normal whatever play your took in the sixth round, you expect that player to be in your starting lineup every week.
00:49:09
I think that's kind of how I see it.
00:49:10
So that's why I will never take a defense before probably 1/10 11th round.
00:49:15
Just because you know, as great of a defense, is if they run into the bad matchup against a great offense and they allow a ton of points.
00:49:21
It doesn't matter how many sacks they ac***ulate.
00:49:23
If they're losing all the points, this all depends on scoring.
00:49:26
I've actually heard of some defensive formats that points allowed isn't taken into account.
00:49:30
It's literally just sacks.
00:49:32
I know braiding Holecek plays that.
00:49:33
He said He plays in that type of league, so that could be a little easier.
00:49:36
And the thing with the Patriots, though, is Are they going to produce enough sacks? Because those are the defense's I looking for who's gonna at least give you a weekly for floor of points because they get to 34 sacks a week.
00:49:48
I don't know that it's the Patriots with all the pieces they lost specifically in their front seven.
00:49:51
If I were to choose any defense in this division, I think would be the Bills just because I do like what they have, um, as a from a front seven perspective.
00:50:00
Well, and if you think about it, if you think about valuing sacks over everything you know as a trickle down effect, if you're a team that gets a lot of sacks, will.
00:50:08
Generally, you're putting the offense in worse position, field position.
00:50:12
You know, maybe these sacks come on second and third down.
00:50:15
So now all of a sudden, you're forced to throw on third and long, and it opens up opportunities for your defensive back.
00:50:20
So, you know? Yeah.
00:50:21
I mean, if you're gonna if you're gonna key in on one area, I would say probably sack totals are what you would want to see, especially Excuse me, fantasy wise.
00:50:28
But, um, excuse me, if you even think about some of the best defense is over the last 10 years, you know where I'm talking? Seattle, You know, obviously throw in New England and in San Francisco last year.
00:50:41
Um, you know, the Ravens, I I think, uh, you know, we talked about the Jets at the end of 2000 the two thousands in the 2010.
00:50:49
All that some of those really good defense is where were any of them So much more valuable than another defense and fantasy that it made a big difference, And I'd say no, even if you know, they were great and historically great.
00:51:02
Yeah, in the NFL, I mean, And what I've seen to it some years.
00:51:06
The number one fantasy defense isn't necessarily the best defense.
00:51:09
I think the last two years we've seen it where last year was the 40 Niners and Patriots.
00:51:13
Okay, at both.
00:51:14
Great defense is and happen to be both great fantasy defense.
00:51:17
Is the Bears in 2018 as well? Yeah, amazing defense, and they produce for fantasy.
00:51:22
But I remember one year I think it was a 14 15 chip.
00:51:25
Kelly era was actually the Eagles just because it seemed like there was week after week.
00:51:29
They were getting pick six after pick six.
00:51:31
And the defense wasn't all that great.
00:51:33
A lot of points.
00:51:34
The office had an average drive time of 15 seconds.
00:51:37
Yeah, that was a big problem there, too.
00:51:39
Which meant that the defense was on the field more, which could hurt the defense, but also kind of helps.
00:51:44
Fantasy defense is because there chance to ac***ulate more sacks, chance to ac***ulate more picks.
00:51:48
And so that was a weird case where the Eagles, under being a great defense that year.
00:51:52
But it was tough to predict.
00:51:55
So, um, you know, again, the last couple years we've seen it and So if you can predict who was gonna be this year's San Francisco 40 Niners, that would be the team to invest in.
00:52:04
No.
00:52:05
Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:06
But again, who's who's gonna predict that? Who's it gonna be? Is gonna be the Browns so finally gonna be, Oh, it's gonna be the 40 Niners again And yeah, because they're so incredible.
00:52:14
I wonder if the Bears rebound.
00:52:15
That might be the team.
00:52:16
If if they're going cheap enough and draft, maybe that's the team you invest in earlier.
00:52:19
They still have Khalil.
00:52:20
Mack still should be a good pass rush.
00:52:23
I know as a Packers fan, that's this isn't an NFC North episode, but that's the team I'm most threatened. Buys the Bears.
00:52:29
I think with all the changeover on defense for the Vikings, I don't think it's them.
00:52:32
I think getting Nick Foles.
00:52:34
We'll talk with that on the NFC North.
00:52:36
So but, well, well, and and that's kind of like what? You know, we started this show talking about in this division.
00:52:41
It really comes down to quarterback play, and I know people want to sit here and say, Well, you know, court, you know, Winds on record.
00:52:47
Techstat and I get it.
00:52:48
I understand where you're coming from.
00:52:49
I mean, every stat is a collection off the entire group effort.
00:52:55
I mean, from past completions, toe touch down.
00:52:59
So everything.
00:53:00
So to sit there and break it apart and say Oh, winds aren't it's the same thing And when we look at that, so when we break down all these divisions and everything like that, you can have a great defense like Chicago.
00:53:12
But if you get Mr Risky playing quarterback the way Mr Brisky plays quarterback, what are you, your 500 team? Now you put in a no Nick say, it's Nick Foles of, you know, his eagle Super Bowl run, Nick Foles.
00:53:27
All of a sudden, you're looking at Chicago and saying, Wow, that's a That's a 12 13 win team.
00:53:31
Of course, it helps that they have a great defense, but it doesn't matter unless you have the guy who's is guaranteed to touch the ball 50% of the time that your your on the field and, of course, has a much bigger hand on, you know, if he's still in pics, of course, he's gonna put the defense in bad position.
00:53:47
If he's not doing picks and protecting the ball.
00:53:49
Guess what? The defense has a better job.
00:53:51
So I do ultimately think like the Bear stay of Sea East is gonna come down to the quarterback play and and again for the first time in a very long time, it's up for grabs.
00:54:02
It's up for grabs.
00:54:03
Now, I'm not gonna ask you guys to give any sort of predictions, because I think it's too early for that.
00:54:08
Uh, we were gonna continue to go through these divisions every week.
00:54:12
Next week, we're gonna hop over going to do the NFC East, so we're going to kind of keep it east, east and then, you know, whatever.
00:54:18
We'll figure it out the weeks after we're gonna try to get, you know, when we do, the South will obviously have Jesse on and talk about the Colts and all that stuff.
00:54:25
So we want to make sure that everyone's coordinating properly.
00:54:28
But the goal is to do the same divisions counterpart every, you know, week after week.
00:54:34
So we're going to do that.
00:54:36
So next week we'll get to talk NFC East this week, obviously a F C East and at the end of it all will give our predictions after that.
00:54:42
I think that's fair, right? Yeah, I I do think it's a little too early right now, toe to start predicting because I don't know.
00:54:49
I see that That means the quality of our early predictions won't be as good as our later prediction.
00:54:53
So if you want to make all our predictions mattering like mean the most like, OK, yeah, these are our predictions.
00:54:58
But we also made them Yeah, early June.
00:55:00
So I'm going to be wrong.
00:55:02
So I'd rather only be wrong once it is opposed to toe.
00:55:04
So I'm saving myself a very good point. Exactly.
00:55:08
The numbers it's all about the know exactly its percentages, you know, percentages.
00:55:12
Just like Pavel burried, you know? Hey, he didn't score the most goals in a season, but it was the the amount that he scored.
00:55:19
It's such a short period of time, and that's what I'm going for.
00:55:21
You know, um, for those who use you don't know what I'm talking about.
00:55:25
What? Oh, man.
00:55:29
But Kyle and I have spent a significant amount of time the last couple weeks talking about hockey's greatest goal scorers in goalscoring season, so that kind of let that seep in.
00:55:36
But, folks, thank you very much that I went by pretty quickly, so we had some fun.
00:55:41
We're gonna talk NFC East next week.
00:55:43
Um, Brandon Ray above me. That's Brandon.
00:55:45
Underscore, Ray 79.
00:55:47
Kyle, That's right.
00:55:48
And I got to learn kind of have a point in this, you know, it's it's coming off different.
00:55:52
You know what I give up.
00:55:53
I'm not gonna try top left corner of your screen.
00:55:56
That's Kyle Sentara Packers and fantasy managing editor.
00:56:00
You can find him at miyama Underscore chaos.
00:56:03
That's N Y a m a underscore ks and, of course, Jesse Pearson, Colts managing editor.
00:56:08
That's Jesse T.
00:56:10
Pearson P I E R s.
00:56:12
Oh, and I'm a great speller, and I'm so glad I don't screw that up on live camera.
00:56:17
So, folks have a great day.
00:56:18
We're gonna see you next week and, ah, be safe, be healthy and, uh, go Patriots Bill suck
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FPC NFL Live - 6/10 - AFC East

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00:05:37
Hello, everyone.
00:05:38
And welcome to FBC NFL Live.
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It is June the 10th and we're back here talking football once again.
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And today it's all about the A of C E.
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So I'm not gonna waste too much time.
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I'm gonna get right into it.
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If you looking at me on the screen, I'm on the bottom right above me.
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That's Mr Brand Away Way.
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Bre e told your folks forgot on the air.
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Ah, I told my co host that I'm having trouble speaking today, so you're just gonna have to bear with me.
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Ah, Brandon, Ray, He's our fbc, uh, bills managing and a terrible said bulls.
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We don't do the bulls right now.
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In that top left corner, we got FBC Packers and, ah, fantasy football managing editor.
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And, of course, right to my right and your left.
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That's right.
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Mr Jesse Pearson, FBC COLTS managing editor.
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How we doing today, fellas? Great about you guys.
00:06:27
Excellent.
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OK, One week closer to football.
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Well, what about what else is there? Yeah, that's what we got.
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So, um, what were the way Kyle center here because he didn't say my name, but yeah, my package My, my upon My apologies, Kyle.
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I figure you're on our show in the morning.
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All the time.
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The folks pretty much know where you are.
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They don't really need me to tell them.
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I don't even think I am satisfied.
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Snow injured, actually, kind of like actually e no introduction.
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So literally we're not going to give him one, so no.
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So, yes, it's Kyle Center, folks, if you don't know already.
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And unfortunately, don't have name tags up here, which I'm kind of thinking I should, you know, So I can kind of avoid having Teoh do all the introductions old time, and just say, Hey, look at the screen if you can't read.
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Well, too bad.
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Just guess who these people are, but no, we're here.
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We're gonna talk.
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We're going to start previewing each division as we get closer and closer to what we think will be training camp.
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Um, we're obviously ah, being positive.
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Or at least I'm being positive.
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I think everyone in this room right now is trying to be positive for the return of the NFL.
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I think the other leagues exactly cross those fingers.
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The other leagues are, ah, pacing on pace to get to the start of their seasons or finish the season that was interrupted.
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So we're excited for that.
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So we're going to start by previewing divisions and where else to start with Wonderful, Wonderful A f C East, the division that has been absolutely owned by the Patriots.
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And, I mean, and when I mean owned.
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I mean, you know, to the tune of 2093 against the Bills in the last 18 19 season.
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That's that's That's just I mean, that's that's called pure domination by one team over another.
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Um and, uh, are we gonna get that again this year? I don't know.
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Not is likely because Tom Brady is out of the division, which again brings a big smile. Teoh brand.
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It's face above me.
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Um, he's happy about it.
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I know Dolphins fans are happy about it.
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Jets fans.
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Well, you're still Jets fan.
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So regardless of Tom Brady's, they're not your You still have to root for the Jets, so I don't know how you, you know, reconcile that.
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But hey, it is what it is.
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We're here to preview the A F C East, and there's a lot of intriguing things about it.
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Obviously, I do think, Ah, the uncer*****y around.
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And obviously we're gonna focus a lot on the quarterbacks, especially to start right now, because really, that's that's That's to me the theme of this division next season.
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And it's not that one quarterbacks better than all the rest.
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It's that we don't really know who the best quarterback in that division is.
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We've seen film, obviously, on Josh Allen. Sam Donald.
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Um, you know, obviously Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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You know, he we know he's not the long term started.
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He's likely going to be the starter to start to season, but who knows if we see to, uh, at some point And of course, we got Jared stood him up in New York, New York, New England.
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See, I'm already screwing things up.
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Um, so where you know, where do we stand it that you know, with quarterbacks? I mean, where is the strength? Because, in my opinion, if Jared stadiums at least at the same level, it's se Sam Donald and Josh Allen.
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I think doing New England's quickly still the best team in this division, it's just a matter of who Jarrett Stidham is.
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And if he's a competent quarterback then, um, the Patriots defense, combined with you know what they've been able to do.
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I still think they're a favorite.
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So, Kyle, the guy that I did not introduce the packers guy up there.
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Um, what do you think? What do you think? What's your first impression? Just of this division? You don't have to go too deep, but ah, just overall impression.
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You know, quarterback wise, team wise.
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What do you see? Well, yeah.
00:10:04
Yeah. Question marks abound.
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We have two years of experience of Josh Allen and Sam Donaldson way.
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Do you know who they both are? Well, say did like the step up we saw from Josh Allen last year.
00:10:16
And I think it showed in his numbers.
00:10:18
Completion percentage went up is a rookie was 52.8%.
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You're to 58.
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8, So a 6% increase.
00:10:26
That's pretty significant, especially considering that his yards per attempt actually went up 6.
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5 to 6.7.
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So it's not as if he suddenly started dinking and dunking mawr.
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You know, he was throwing Justus deep is he was the previous season and just got more accurate with it.
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I know his connection to drawn Brown really helped.
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But certainly touchdown rates went up 3.
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1 as a rookie, which really isn't that great.
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4.3.
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Still not amazing, but it's that's where you want to be and an interception rate going down from 3.
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8, which is nice.
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S Jamis Winston level interception rate down a 2% last year.
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I remember the interceptions early in the season.
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You correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wrong, Brandon.
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But there was a stretch mid to late season where he didn't throw an interception.
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What, like 67 games? Yeah, it was about that rate.
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The one thing about Alan is that, like, you know, bring up statistics.
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He was the only starting quarterback in the NFL to not for an interception in the fourth quarter or in the red zone.
00:11:23
So I was just kind of the fun things.
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Larrin.
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But yeah, there's a well to be fair buffalo pass the ball out during that stretch, so it's kind of hard to.
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But there's about a good month, month and 1/2 where there was no pics room.
00:11:36
So certainly, you stepped up, really, the I think it was very clear that, you know, from a rookie to a sop****re, he really ah took a step now to be the best quarterback in this division.
00:11:47
It's up for grabs, but I think he's gonna take another step to get there.
00:11:50
Um, I do still think Sam Donald's quite talented, very accurate passer, someone who couldn't complete toes all over the fields.
00:11:57
I think all of us bad talking Bill O'Brien, which we gotta do every episode.
00:12:02
It's a quiet, but you in this division, I think there's a clear coach that we could all look, look, look down on its Adam case.
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And I am concerned how much of Sam Donald's growth is going to be stunted by the fact that Adam Gaze has been his quarterback, uh, early this early in his career, and I don't know if that extends beyond this season.
00:12:19
I'm sure Jets fans are probably hoping not, um, everyone else in the FC is probably hoping. So.
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Help the easy wins.
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But, you know, as you mentioned, we have no idea, really who stood him is I know we could, you know, look at the very little he played last year.
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Uh, pick six.
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Not not very good, but, you know, being thrown into last into game situations, not really prepared.
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I only gets necessarily affair call instead of but relatively unknown tongue.
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Barlow has zero NFL experience, but certainly in college.
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Looked really accurately.
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He you know, questions about the hip.
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Is he still gonna be the same thrower, same player that he was post hip surgery and that really not going to know until he takes the field and we see it in a long term and helped the side.
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But I think I'm almost a little more concerned, just immediate ability to throw.
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Sounds like he's recovered well and so that there shouldn't be any concern.
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But again, until we know for sure it's it's a question mark.
00:13:12
So think so To answer the question, I I I actually think it might be Josh Alan just because he is so tough to defend because he can run and throw, and I think I'll talk with a bit more later.
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So leave to someone else.
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Yeah.
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What do you What do you think, Jesse? Yeah, I mean, team wise, I think we'll get into that a little ****her along, but I don't know.
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I think team wise.
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I like what? Buffalo.
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I like the position that buffaloes in.
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But just from a pure quarterback stamp, would you say Who is the best Corvette? I might almost lean towards Sam Donald, and I can't say that he, you know he hasn't done a ton in the league.
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Hasn't really proven himself.
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But to that effect, nobody really has, either.
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I mean, Josh Allen went to the playoffs last year, so you can't discredit that.
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But to say who would you rather build a franchise around from scratch, Donald or our? I would probably say, Donald, if that's the comparison we're using and instead of yeah, I mean, it remains to be seen.
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What he is is a quarterback, but they don't have a ton of help around him.
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Still, I mean, Tom Brady had a really poor statistic.
00:14:16
Well, by Tom Brady standards, a really poor statistical season last year and stadiums basically gonna be throwing to that same group of receivers, so I don't really know how things are going to shake out there.
00:14:28
I still think New England is gonna win 10 games and go to the playoffs just because of Bill Belichick in the defense and you know, the entire organization that they have.
00:14:37
But I like Buffalo.
00:14:38
Probably win the division, maybe be a game ahead of New England when it all shakes out.
00:14:42
But if we're sticking to the original question, just saying Best quarterback, I'd probably say the same, Donald, although I think New York is probably gonna be the worst team in the division this year.
00:14:51
So for what it's worth, congratulations.
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You have the best quarterback in the worst team.
00:14:55
So there you go just well in in, Ah, when it when it comes to Rue Clerc.
00:15:00
When I when I looked it guaranteed him.
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I also anticipate, Ah, much better Year two from both McKeel Harry and Mohammed Sunu with the Patriots.
00:15:08
I think things, unfortunately just didn't work out last year for, you know, injuries sake and just a number of reasons.
00:15:14
But I I do think they're both good, really good players that that can thrive.
00:15:19
And I think Stadium also has a pretty good connection with Jacoby Meyers.
00:15:23
We saw that in the preseason, and of course you know, guys that are, you know, 3rd 4 string are usually working a lot with the backup quarterback and that was sitting last year.
00:15:31
So I will.
00:15:33
It will be the same offense around him, but at the same time, it's going to be different because, you know, assuming good health, I don't think that the Patriots offense could be as injured this year as they were laughs.
00:15:46
Because again, that would take quite it.
00:15:48
Quite a bit of a bad luck in the second consecutive season.
00:15:52
So, uh, although I will say you're clearly not a Chargers fan to say that a team won't be is injured one year to the next basketball Chargers fans that works at the Chargers, that they're an outlier.
00:16:01
Okay, you know, we talk about the NFL all the time.
00:16:04
It has the most parody in the entire NFL or in the entire sports world.
00:16:10
Except, you know, the Patriots are an outlier.
00:16:12
In this case, the charges are not liars.
00:16:14
To be fair, they play in a soccer stadium.
00:16:16
So, yeah, there Is that a soccer stadium? A baseball field where wherever there's a field, that chargers will play.
00:16:24
Um, but no.
00:16:26
Brandon, What really? Hill Meadow? Yeah, well, if a couple fans show up there doing pretty good.
00:16:33
So, um, Brandon, what do you think? I I know.
00:16:36
Obviously you're gonna say Josh Allen, right? You know, he's the greatest quarterback ever.
00:16:40
Correct.
00:16:42
Incorrect.
00:16:43
So I'm not too stuff here, right? Eso on three down.
00:16:46
So obviously dolphins.
00:16:48
So from a court backs from a corner back standpoint, I think the dolphins have their court about the future.
00:16:52
I think to ah is a phenomenal player.
00:16:54
I think he's a great passer by Get comes down in the injury history.
00:16:57
How is he gonna take ahead? And that had been able to do on Reebok because those colleges that he was taken are way different than professional because he takes ahead from someone like like a Tremaine ended Zormat, Milano, someone players who hit very hard.
00:17:11
And they do the simple technique.
00:17:13
How is he gonna be able to balance that? So I think if he stays healthy, two could be economic or back for my future.
00:17:20
Ryan's Paget's get started more than likely, no matter what, and you know whatever plays out New England, Jared.
00:17:26
Still, he can play.
00:17:28
There's no doubt that he can play, you know, And I think because he got Bill Bell, check as a coach and because it's New England, there's the Patriots.
00:17:35
You can't count him out just yet.
00:17:36
I don't judge Stadium off the pick six.
00:17:39
Construe ma am's that I love it. Absolutely.
00:17:41
But like, obviously, you can't judge it based off of one bad play.
00:17:44
Because, you know, I lived through the Nathan Peterman experience, and I thought he was a steal of draft 2017.
00:17:49
Wait, Say that again.
00:17:51
Say that again.
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One more time.
00:17:53
For the record, I Brandon, right, Nate, I thought Nathan Peterman was the steal of the draft.
00:17:57
27 seas in the fifth round.
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And that type of every resume resume they used to make from here on out TV fare.
00:18:05
I actually thought Peterman was pretty good, too.
00:18:06
I I was I thought he was gonna be something, Remember, in fantasy thinking, OK, he's I thought he was the clear fifth guy in that class.
00:18:13
Obviously.
00:18:14
Really? Only two guys like last time being good.
00:18:17
I was I was so big baby believer into strong Kaiser. It's ridiculous.
00:18:20
Yeah, I was happy when it came to Green Bay.
00:18:23
Well, this is turning into quite the confessional.
00:18:26
Ah, episode here.
00:18:27
Jesse, do you have any outrageous takes? Where you a Ah, you got you got anything headed in that closet there? I mean, I'm such a colts homer that, like every draft pick, you know, even like the latte, the seventh round 250th overall.
00:18:41
Like, you know, I think he's got a sneaky good chance to be in the league for 10 years.
00:18:45
And then you go to a couple Pro Bowl? Sure, So I won't.
00:18:49
I won't begrudge you guys of being homers toward any particular quarterback because everyone that's ever worn the horse you is just come in with, you know, a chest of gold.
00:18:59
And then so what you talking about? Istres to the Brown? Don't That is the thing.
00:19:07
Oh, man.
00:19:08
And then with, uh, obviously Donald Allen, that's you know, that's the biggest conversation.
00:19:12
Who is? Who is the best quarterback in division right now? Neither one of miss you know, I think that they both have strength and weaknesses.
00:19:18
You know, if you look at who does more of the ball, it's Josh out.
00:19:21
Josh on is the better dual threat quarterback.
00:19:23
You can pass it.
00:19:24
He could run it he can, you know, he constructed offenders he can catch past.
00:19:27
So I think that in that aspect, Allen's that clear better.
00:19:30
There is a clear favorite quarterback, but when it comes to simply passing and moving the ball and being smart about it, I think Arnold is.
00:19:37
I had a mountain, and that's hard for me to say, because every time Palin throws stupid throw, I end up like throwing a tantrum when I want to exchange.
00:19:44
But when it comes down to those two, you both good quarterbacks.
00:19:51
They're both young.
00:19:52
Google mature for their age, is in their both could be the franchise.
00:19:55
It just depends how eat powerful organizations set them up a support system.
00:20:01
Well, let's stick to the offense here.
00:20:04
We're gonna kind of group these all together just for the sake of time.
00:20:07
Here.
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We want to be able to cover everything in this division as much as we can.
00:20:10
Uh, but but the skill players around these quarterbacks, I'm talking wide receivers, tight ends, running backs.
00:20:17
Um, which group do you see right now is the strength.
00:20:20
I mean, we've mentioned a few of them.
00:20:21
Obviously, we're just talking about the patriots but I'll start with again.
00:20:25
Once again, the the guy up in that that corner there.
00:20:28
I think he's a Packers fantasy guy or something like that.
00:20:31
Um, Kyle, who do you give the edge to? What are you looking for? What's the most intriguing Ah group of these four teams when it comes to the receivers, running backs and tight ends, and that's right.
00:20:44
That's right in the fantasy wheelhouse.
00:20:46
Um, and you know, if I look at you know, the best assets to invest in fantasy wise this year, if it's, ah, a super flexor to quarterback league, I think it's Josh Allen pretty easily.
00:20:58
I think those types of formats, he's for sure.
00:21:01
A second round pick me even borderline first round pick overall.
00:21:04
So, uh, yeah, if it's if it's that time of format to Super Flex to keep you have against Russia Allen.
00:21:09
But if it's just a single quarterback, I'm actually leaning a devante Parker, especially down the stretch, definitely showed chemistry with Fitzpatrick, and I think we're all under the assumption that Fitzpatrick's probably gonna start Oh, at least half half a season.
00:21:23
So I think Parker, especially out of the gate, will probably a really great fantasy asset.
00:21:26
Really consistent week to week in terms of its target share.
00:21:29
Yeah, he's going to see tough coverage.
00:21:30
He saw tough coverage last year is still able to produce.
00:21:33
I mean, he had a big game against Stephon Gilmore.
00:21:35
Who, You know, he won defensive player of the year.
00:21:37
The first corner.
00:21:38
What? We looked it up first corner.
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Since I think Woodson with the Packers, by the way.
00:21:42
Ah, in 2009.
00:21:43
So literally a decade s.
00:21:45
So I think we could say stuff on Gilmore.
00:21:48
Probably the best cornerback in the league.
00:21:49
Davies Whites right there, friend.
00:21:51
And for the record, by the way, are told by the light.
00:21:56
Now, I got my I got my packers green T shirt on right now.
00:21:59
If you're not watching, I know you can't see me on Skype, but, uh, I could see I could see on the video.
00:22:04
Yeah, okay.
00:22:05
Are looking getting Thank you. Thank you.
00:22:07
Thank you. Um, Brandon. Oh, yeah.
00:22:09
Go ahead.
00:22:10
Just the one other thing, too.
00:22:11
That if I look at the best tight end, I mean, I'm thinking, especially for fantasy wise, and this may not necessarily be NFL football wise, who is the best tight end.
00:22:18
But I think it's very easily get sticky.
00:22:20
Is the one I want to invest in.
00:22:22
Um, I have him.
00:22:23
I think I have it right now.
00:22:25
A tight end, six overall.
00:22:26
So I expect a big year from him.
00:22:28
Without knowing how Preston Williams going to recover from a c l especially early.
00:22:32
I could see Kasicky being someone that they lean on really heavily.
00:22:35
Ah, he's in this tight end here.
00:22:37
I'm gonna call the Spark the Sparks Court here.
00:22:39
These are all players that you performed really well.
00:22:42
The combine, and especially from the tight end position.
00:22:44
We want to see his athletic freaks who can a get yards after the catch.
00:22:48
Because a lot of times the routes of that tight injury are running not nearly as deep.
00:22:52
So it's to ac***ulate big yardage totals.
00:22:55
They're gonna have to do more after the catch.
00:22:57
So I like.
00:22:58
That's why I actually really like no offense this year as well.
00:23:00
John Smith.
00:23:01
That's okay. Sticky falls right in line with them.
00:23:03
Uh, excellent combine.
00:23:05
Big size might be a really big red zone weapon for them.
00:23:07
Still probably, you know, running with Howard throwing a Parker.
00:23:10
But I think it's icky.
00:23:11
Fits in right there nicely.
00:23:12
So I think you've got the best wide receiver.
00:23:14
You've got the best tight end from a fantasy perspective.
00:23:17
Um, and the running back rooms actually think they're all really similar.
00:23:22
And I think to pick out the best fantasy assets at each position in this division, I thought was easy at every position except running back, which I think is incredibly difficult.
00:23:31
That's something maybe we can talk about a bit later.
00:23:33
But ah, in terms of best all around offense, skill position.
00:23:36
Specifically, I'm going to say the Dolphins, What do you think, Jesse? I like the group that Buffalo has put together to surround Josh Allen trading for Stefon Diggs.
00:23:46
I think was really gonna really gonna help his game as well.
00:23:49
So you had a really talented vertical threat.
00:23:52
You have Kobe easily that could gobble up targets underneath, and you have Stefon Diggs.
00:23:56
They can take the top off the coverage.
00:23:57
I also like their third round pick exact moss to be sort of that complementary piece to Devin Singletary, the role that Frank board played last year.
00:24:05
97 years old.
00:24:07
I think Zach Moss can step into that short yardage goal line source situation pretty well.
00:24:13
So just among those five guys, like, you know, not even looking at their tight end.
00:24:17
There are other receivers with with what Alan could do with his strong arm and his running ability.
00:24:22
Then you have Cole Beasley underneath.
00:24:24
You have Stefon Diggs deep.
00:24:25
You have Devin Singletary sort of the do everything back and exact mosque, that the bigger, stronger guy.
00:24:31
It's a pretty good, complementary group.
00:24:33
I really like the way that Buffalo has gone about constructing their roster the last few years on.
00:24:39
I think it paid off last year with a playoff run.
00:24:41
I think they're going to continue to ascend.
00:24:43
So not necessarily looking at it from a fantasy standpoint.
00:24:46
I mean, they should be okay with digs and be easily especially.
00:24:50
But I just like the collection of talented that they're building in Buffalo right now.
00:24:56
In a few years, you might be able Teoh to count on those two tight ends that New England draft adult in Keene and Devon, Aussie Aussie to say that both of them are gonna have a tremendous impact of rookies this year with the first year starting quarterback is probably a stretch, but I do like both of them and their athletic profiles.
00:25:13
We all know what what the Patriots couldn't do with two talented tight ends.
00:25:17
So maybe next year, maybe the year after, I think that they can really assert themselves.
00:25:21
But for now, I'll probably go with Buffalo.
00:25:23
Is the the top overall offensive.
00:25:27
What do you think, Brandon? So, um, obviously I gotta go buffalo just because, um, you know, I would see from a biased point of view, but we'll save that for later.
00:25:37
Um, Buffalo has something that they haven't had a long time.
00:25:40
They have true number one to number two in a turnover.
00:25:43
Three.
00:25:44
You know, when you got the bonding with one John Brown to the right, signing up Beasley, you know, I guess, he said underneath the slot, I think that all three are gonna fit the scheme perfectly.
00:25:53
And there's another name, you know.
00:25:55
It's kind Daddy brought.
00:25:56
Mike is sick because that you think he's I actually think he's the best.
00:26:00
It wants to the best tight end in the division.
00:26:02
But Dawson Knox of the second You tight and commendable, miss.
00:26:07
He had some flashes last year, you know, specifically Week three against the Bangles, where just called a simple pass right about 10 yards stiff under defender and then bulldoze through another one on the same play.
00:26:17
He just provides that extra spark in the pass offense.
00:26:20
His one downfall is that he tends to look for before he catch the ball, and that's kind of one of the biggest things.
00:26:26
But when you look at the running backs Singletary call Motor, he doesn't stop running unless he gets to it.
00:26:31
Three guys on him, and, like you said Zach Moss, she's gonna be that he's gonna be a bigger Singletary.
00:26:36
I cannot seem to be just, you know, a little bit more bulkier, And, uh, when I look at when I look at supporting cast of like Miami, I think that Matt Breda's an instant upgrade, it running back compared to last year, even though there's questions about him and his willingness to state healthy.
00:26:51
But he is a fast, fast running back, and there's no doubt about that. The violence.
00:26:56
See Parker. I think he's very underrated.
00:26:58
You know.
00:26:59
But the key about Parker is that he does well if it's Patrick.
00:27:02
But how will How long will you do with any other court backers? You know, it's kind of a horrible compares.
00:27:07
But Josh Rosen, obviously, Parker went downhill with Rosen, a quarterback in the game played, and when you look at do England, it's again.
00:27:14
It's just a big question mark.
00:27:15
I think you kill Harry has more upside than he does downhill, but it's just a matter taking that *** stuff. And then the Jets.
00:27:22
Well, I mean, you got Denzel men's minister. Good.
00:27:26
You know, *****l Bell.
00:27:27
I mean, obviously he took a downhill, But you still, Bill, you know, you could still run the ball.
00:27:31
You still can't pass out of the backfield.
00:27:33
But the best supporting guys, I think you have to give the edge to Buffalo.
00:27:37
Well, I I think we're just by by the tone and the way in which we talk about the Jets.
00:27:42
I think we all hold them in the same ba*****t position of the A F.
00:27:47
C East.
00:27:48
I think we all think that they're the worst team in this division, agreed.
00:27:53
I know it sounded like a retort.
00:27:54
Gold not open.
00:27:55
And I think so.
00:27:56
Yeah, well, I mean, look, I mean, you know, we we have really dot adult into the coaching, but you know, Adam Gates again, I I'm not a big fan.
00:28:06
I haven't been for a while.
00:28:07
I I thought it was a foot.
00:28:09
This was almost as foolish.
00:28:10
Is Buffalo hiring Rex Ryan after he failed with the Jets? Why are you gonna hire Adam Gaze when you already failed with the Dolphins and it just to me, it didn't seem it seems like a very Jets move.
00:28:21
Don't get me wrong.
00:28:22
Which meant it was a bad move.
00:28:23
And I think ultimately that's that's what's gonna hold them back.
00:28:26
Because I do think Sam Donald has town.
00:28:28
I do think that there is talent on that roster.
00:28:31
I just I mean and they invested in in Bell, and it doesn't seem like Gates really wants tohave Bell on the TSA.
00:28:39
It's just a very strange dynamic there that until they get things sorted out, I can't really put any faith.
00:28:44
Way saw that.
00:28:46
We saw that kind of unfold right from the beginning, where there was things about what they said about Bell.
00:28:53
And weren't they looking at? Who were they looking at recently? That they bring in Carlos Hyde for Ah, work out or something? Wasn't it Davonte Freeman or Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:02
I'm sorry. Yeah. Devante Freeman.
00:29:03
Right? Right.
00:29:04
Um, so again, that just tells you it's like, Well, you have Levy on Bell.
00:29:07
You're supposed to Now again, I You know, I thought the Pittsburgh Steelers waited a year too late to get rid of Levy on Belle.
00:29:14
And I thought, You know, again, he's I always loved when the Patriots played living on Bell, and he did that little dance behind the goal line because the Patriots are a disciplined team and they would never let that beat them.
00:29:25
So I would just sit back and let go ahead, dance around, you're going to get lit up and get knocked out of the game to get injured.
00:29:30
So I was all right with Libby on Bell going to the Jets, But he's still accounted player, and it just it doesn't seem like cases has any interest in utilizing them.
00:29:40
They actually stick.
00:29:41
No.
00:29:42
Well, I actually want to bring it to another topic revolving this.
00:29:45
So go ahead, rant, and we'll get to that.
00:29:46
Yeah, but like when you talk about, like obviously you know, with PhilPet with the offense to my Pittsburgh had I could probably rushed for over 500 yards and half a seat just because they're so big and so dominant, like you could put any back behind there and they should do out like Dallas up until, like, now, this coming year, with terms better being gone, you know, you could pretty much run the ball the entire time.
00:30:07
You could run it down the defense's throat, so I would see when he went to the Jets.
00:30:10
That cycle guy, he's a good running back.
00:30:12
He shows it.
00:30:13
But behind that offensive line, I don't see and connecting for him.
00:30:17
Rushed for 4000 yards, Dad.
00:30:20
That that's fair, Kyle.
00:30:22
Well, and that was just yeah, talk about production and you know what we expect of him and yeah, last year, 789 yards and, you know, you look at his yards per attempt.
00:30:31
His as a rookie was at 3.
00:30:32
5, but every other year it's 4.
00:30:33
74 point 94.
00:30:34
9 his last year at the Steelers four and plummets all the way to 3.
00:30:39
2 last year.
00:30:40
Um, when thing I did like was that he was getting targeted a lot 78 targets.
00:30:46
But, you know, a lot of his targets were coming behind the line of scrimmage, so uh, no, it's not.
00:30:52
It didn't necessarily toe again.
00:30:54
I'm gonna lead it back to fantasy.
00:30:55
It's always my my tendency.
00:30:57
Ah, but that being said, I think it's a division where a lot of the running backs are actually kind of view them in similar tears, Pretty, pretty much across the entire division.
00:31:04
I see a lot of it specifically to player committees, and we could talk maybe a little bit more in New England.
00:31:10
But I see specifically Sony.
00:31:11
Michelle's an early down back.
00:31:13
James Wise, the past catcher. Same thing in Miami.
00:31:15
Jordan Howard Early down, Matt Frieda's the past catcher.
00:31:19
Buffalo.
00:31:20
I think Secretary is more than just, ah, pass catching back.
00:31:22
But it does seem like he's specifically gonna be there.
00:31:24
Their third down back.
00:31:26
Moss is gonna be the goal line back.
00:31:29
I think.
00:31:30
I guess the rest of Kerry's divided between them maybe Singletary more, but I still don't necessary.
00:31:35
Think that Singletary's gonna get everything and I do wonder. Okay, Frank.
00:31:39
Or is there? Yes, but I still think, you know, the volume is one of the best with Bell than it is with anyone else.
00:31:45
Now the efficiency will see.
00:31:46
I do like that.
00:31:47
They address the offensive line, though getting affected.
00:31:51
Um, I think it.
00:31:52
And while pass protection might be a little bit more difficult from, I think especially the run game is where he's gonna have immediate production because of his athleticism.
00:31:59
It something that you know, you can put it Athletic Creek kind out there getting get them in space, just enough to to block people and then the pass protection.
00:32:07
The technique will come later.
00:32:08
So I do think that probably helps Bell immediately more than it helps Donald right away, although they will still helped, are held to be bad.
00:32:15
You know, that line probably won't be as bad as it was last year with the additions not still rookies that have to prove themselves.
00:32:21
So I think running back wise, I probably still stick with love.
00:32:24
Ian Bell.
00:32:25
It's close, but I'd like to get your thoughts on that.
00:32:27
If you had to pick one running back from this division to choose from for fantasy Tennessee.
00:32:33
Uh, that's, uh, fantasy.
00:32:38
Obviously, you know, I think like I said, I think my apparatus still gonna do well.
00:32:42
Um, obviously the offensive line a Miami is clearly not what they have San Francisco, but like there's no there's no argument that once raising open field, he's gone.
00:32:52
That's just who is that? I think he had, like, the fastest time in the building at 22 MPH.
00:32:57
I think, you know, years ago, Yeah, that was That was the season when he was constantly hurt, too.
00:33:01
Like it's like every game he was banged up, but he was still able is still running well, when he was when he was playing.
00:33:06
So and that's the thing.
00:33:07
I think each team has a different type of steaming.
00:33:10
Obviously, my amazement focus on Breda, you know, I think he's gonna be the clear cut number one.
00:33:14
I think the Jets obviously leave Young Bell.
00:33:17
I mean, come on, you can't pay belt that much and not playing the sponsor using this much in New England I think James White and Sony I'm gonna get so Nischelle one more year.
00:33:25
I think Michelle just had a down year.
00:33:27
You know, every every player has it down here at some point some earlier than others.
00:33:31
I think Michelle is still going to be off the cow Bell type of back for a new angle.
00:33:36
But James White, I think that J points excellent back.
00:33:38
I actually hate playing his game play and then with Buffalo.
00:33:42
Obviously, I think that Singletary's giving the first person second down back, and then mosque is gonna be the third down and the gold mine.
00:33:48
So I think it's kind of interesting to see cause you got you got some big names.
00:33:52
Well, you have more production from the not so big name.
00:33:54
So we'll see what happens when discussing the offensive packaging.
00:33:59
I kind of talked more about, like, actual on field fit than fantasy value.
00:34:03
But even in fantasy value, I like Devin Singletary just because of what you talked about earlier, Kyle, where he's gonna probably be getting the bulk of the carries as well as a lot of targets to He's gonna be handcuffed when it comes to the He's probably not gonna have as many touchdown to some of the other guys because that's probably the rule that Zach Moss is gonna have.
00:34:22
But I like the overall volume of work that he's gonna get in addition to the rest of the offense around him, like, you know, talent for talent.
00:34:30
Yeah, Lady on Bell is probably superior and James Wise probably superior, But I like what they'll probably look to do with Devin Singletary.
00:34:37
And I think he's gonna have the ability.
00:34:40
They're certainly going to give him every chance to put out pretty good numbers this year.
00:34:45
And then look, I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with Kyle just from a fantasy standpoint, just because again of all the running backs that I feel I could get that volume and could be that traditional type guy that could is Levy on Bill.
00:34:57
But again, you know, it all depends on how improved that offensive line is really going to be.
00:35:02
And I think it is going to be improved.
00:35:03
You can't get much worse than what it was.
00:35:05
So, um, thank you for indulging my fantasy talk.
00:35:09
Of course, of course.
00:35:10
Well, that's why we brought you on here because, well, you are for a lot of value.
00:35:14
Certainly none of which is your name, because I didn't even bother mentioning it when we introduced you.
00:35:18
But you do bring in some fantasy value, and we like to add that flavor to our show here.
00:35:23
Um, so let's shift gears a little bit.
00:35:27
We've already briefly mentioned, um, the defense.
00:35:32
I mean, we could sit here, rank the coaches, but I I think the only you know toss up we're gonna have is in the middle between ah, Brian Flores and and Sean McDermott.
00:35:43
So I'm assuming you're probably folks are going to lean McDermott.
00:35:47
I probably would, too.
00:35:48
Although again, in my opinion, Brian Flores is one hell of a coach, and I think he's gonna, you know, shine quite a bit.
00:35:55
But I think the rankings in this division are pretty shape toward any disagreement anyone have.
00:36:02
Adam gave three days at the bottom of the Yes.
00:36:05
OK, good.
00:36:06
So no one's going to sit here and say he's better than Bill Bell Check.
00:36:09
Okay, Glad glad we don't have to have that type of conversations on this.
00:36:13
****.
00:36:14
Just aren't ready for that But that's something that someone actually considered that thought.
00:36:17
Yeah, so? Well, I'm looking.
00:36:20
I'm looking at Ah, Brandon up there.
00:36:22
One too many tables he's dreamt about going.
00:36:24
So I think he's knocking a few screws, screws loose anyone ideo What? I do all cameras. Confidence.
00:36:33
Well, I gotta say in yes, you Did you actually say that Rex Ryan failed in New York? No, I didn't say he failed.
00:36:41
I say Sorry.
00:36:42
I miss understand because I think he was.
00:36:44
I think he was a good coach who had some really good players, but he had some very obvious, fatal flaws.
00:36:51
And if I was a team like the Bills who are sitting there trying to, ah, catch the Patriots and I look and see one of his fatal flaws is he just can't get Bill Belichick off of his mind.
00:37:02
Why would you go on? Bring that problem? And that's that's where I have an issue with it.
00:37:06
You know, again, Rex Ryan, I thought, you know, again, a very good defensive coach.
00:37:10
Um, I thought he was a decent coach again.
00:37:13
It's hard when you have that.
00:37:15
Think about that Defense 2009 Jets defense and some of those you Revis yet? Yeah.
00:37:21
Felt go down the list.
00:37:23
That that whole unit was fantastic.
00:37:25
You got some of those? They did pretty well in 2010 right? Yeah.
00:37:28
Back in the playoffs, there's a couple playoff wins there.
00:37:32
I don't remember.
00:37:33
I don't recall.
00:37:34
Okay, um, I, uh this certain amount of information that I could hold it started at 1 23 2010 playoff here.
00:37:41
For me, that's a look.
00:37:43
Up until last year, it was the for.
00:37:45
It was the last time the Patriots weren't in the NFC championship game.
00:37:48
Which again, that far of that long ago.
00:37:50
It tells you something.
00:37:51
I actually also think Yes.
00:37:53
No, actually, that was the last time the Packers actually won the Super Bowl.
00:37:57
So that was a long time ago. You're right.
00:38:01
As much as I could say they were close in 2014 year.
00:38:04
Absolutely.
00:38:05
That's dressing sitting here.
00:38:06
Just open that we could get past, like, to the divisional round.
00:38:09
Hey, last time UFC championship the Colts went to was the deflate gate gauge.
00:38:16
You mean the frame gate frame gate game? Uh, the flake game is the Baltimore game.
00:38:24
The week before.
00:38:25
To be fair, just have come back.
00:38:29
Seem kind of su****ious around, kind of su****ious.
00:38:32
Now you're John Harbaugh are just It was ****y because he got beat.
00:38:36
And in here's the thing.
00:38:37
He complained about those those rules or the ineligible receivers and the pain.
00:38:41
I don't even think the Patriots scored more than three points on those.
00:38:44
They just frustrated the hell out of them.
00:38:46
And it was great because any time I see are bought frustrated, It just brings a smile to my face.
00:38:51
Um, but no getting back on topic.
00:38:54
Thank you, Brandon, for giving us off track.
00:38:56
You know, you have You tend to do that.
00:38:58
Uh, we're gonna talk some defense is because I think I again kind of like the coaches.
00:39:05
I think there's two clear top defense is in this division, and I think it's the Patriots in the Bills.
00:39:11
Both built off the strength of their secondaries.
00:39:13
I think they're arguably two of the top three or four secondaries in the league with a really good front seven.
00:39:21
And I know the Patriots lost a few players, but, you know, we've seen this from Bill Bell.
00:39:25
Check before all How you gonna replace Chandler Jones? How you gonna replace this guy? How you going to replace that? You know, they let go these guys for reasons they have young players ready to hopefully step up.
00:39:36
And I believe that they will.
00:39:37
So I think overall, the Patriots defense is going to still be the best in this division.
00:39:42
Um, the bills air pretty closely.
00:39:44
They're behind.
00:39:45
But the question really is, where is Miami gonna be? Because I feel like the Jets are a lost cause they released.
00:39:52
That's what I'm going in.
00:39:53
Assuming I I'm not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.
00:39:56
Miami, though I think has so much room for improvement and so much potential to improve that it's hard for me to place them because, you know, who knows would have shocked me if they end up being the best defense in the in the division.
00:40:09
I mean, a little bit.
00:40:10
But, you know, I I'm just saying like that the potential is there.
00:40:15
I love the coaching of Bryant floors.
00:40:17
I love what they've started to do down there.
00:40:19
Whether or not they put it all together.
00:40:21
This year remains to be seen But, um, I would probably put them third right now above New York, and I think they're Miami's a case of sort of the some being better than the whole of its parts, like there's not a whole lot in Miami that you look at it like, Wow, that's a really good ball player.
00:40:38
But the way they finished last year, they went four and four over their last eight games after a one and seven starts.
00:40:44
So they source started to buy into Flora's A system, and you can kind of see what what's happening there.
00:40:50
And then they bring in Noah in monogamy like it.
00:40:52
I'm not sure he's really good in press coverage.
00:40:55
So if they just maybe bring him in and, like obvious passing downs, play somebody more talented on the over the slot nickel corner and then allow him to just press outside like he could contribute in a sort of like that, I think.
00:41:07
But yeah, I as you said and it's it's pretty clear the top to our New England and Buffalo and I would say in that order New England, then Buffalo.
00:41:15
But yeah, Miami could.
00:41:17
Miami could push toward like a 500 type season without a 500 type roster.
00:41:23
If that makes sense, Yeah, I that because again this to me it says a lot about the coaching and what they're doing, as like you said as the whole, as opposed to end the individual parts.
00:41:34
So, um, Brandon, what do you think I think that my ami is gonna do? I think I was gonna take the path that Buffalo did from 2018 2019.
00:41:44
This 2019 was there was the crapshoot.
00:41:47
That's that's what's going to but wasn't in that bad because they finished five and 11 and they beat some very impressive team.
00:41:53
They beat a pillow, maybe Philadelphia.
00:41:55
You know, they did be Indianapolis and, in the end, obedient to England in New England when New England was trying to a first round bye.
00:42:00
So there's no doubt that this team is, well, Kochar Brian Floors and I think that while Miami is still gonna have to learn how to make everything click, I think that they have the potential they have more upside than they do downhill.
00:42:13
And I think that they're gonna be a sneaky team to lease challenge for a wild card spot.
00:42:18
I don't think they're going to challenge for the division in the next two years.
00:42:21
Maybe three years.
00:42:22
But, you know, they're gonna be, like, the little brother that it just keeps coming in common and come in, come in.
00:42:28
You know, you can knock him in the face all you want.
00:42:30
They're still gonna keep coming.
00:42:31
You know, eventually eventually might beat them.
00:42:33
But you're gonna be Oh, my God.
00:42:35
Go down already.
00:42:36
I think that obviously, I see what it comes.
00:42:40
New England Buffalo Waffles Built to stop the past, not the run.
00:42:43
I think New England is kind of the same way by thinking we could stop the run more than Buffalo can.
00:42:48
And I think that obviously losing Danny Shelton and losing Jamie Collins and called that No, I think it's gonna hurt them severely.
00:42:55
And I think that that's why No, I'm gonna reloading on the defense.
00:42:59
I think this year Buffalo's gonna have the edge, obviously, because they retained most of defense or any praise a lot of the immediately replaced.
00:43:06
So I think it's gonna go buffalo in New England, Then Miami is the clear victory. And the Jets.
00:43:11
Yeah, down there, E.
00:43:14
I will say the Jets do have some talent throughout their defense.
00:43:17
But, you know, Queen Williams obviously was.
00:43:20
Ah, it was the third overall pick that I had.
00:43:23
Um, and I know people complain the sack numbers weren't necessarily there, but interior pass rushers aren't necessarily gonna gonna have those types of elite sack numbers, even though they're still being very productive to their defense.
00:43:36
Is its pressures hits getting even? Just getting double teams sometimes is the key calls them, that's all.
00:43:43
Jamal Adams.
00:43:44
One of the best safeties and league, I think, um, CJ Mosley.
00:43:47
We saw him, and I have quite a lot of success in Baltimore.
00:43:50
And it seemed like once he got hurt, the Jets defense really came apart.
00:43:54
So as long as mostly can stay healthy, I think especially the run defense should be ableto sustain a bit better.
00:43:59
And and then once, once that once you've left, it seemed like there run defense just fell apart in teams could just move the ball on the ground as much they wanted against them.
00:44:08
But sorry.
00:44:11
You say that being said, I still think they're probably last.
00:44:13
You're probably all right. on that.
00:44:15
Yeah.
00:44:16
I mean, Jamal Adams, you mentioned the talent, but he's another one that, like, is he gonna be there for you on that? Adam Gates doesn't have Levian Bell around, and Jamal Adams doesn't want to be around.
00:44:26
So all these players that they've invested a lot in are maybe on the out.
00:44:32
So it's until they figure things out in New York.
00:44:34
You really can't count on them.
00:44:35
They probably have better individual talents, you know, from on a name recognition than Miami.
00:44:41
But Miami is gonna be a much more competent defensive unit than the Jets would be.
00:44:46
Yes, and I can't and nothing.
00:44:48
I can't discredit CJ Mosley.
00:44:49
You know, Week one with it.
00:44:50
Just put the Bills.
00:44:51
C.
00:44:52
J.
00:44:53
Mosley was destroying the Bills offense singlehandedly.
00:44:54
And personally, I think that the Jets would have beat the Bills that mostly didn't hurt. Second half.
00:44:59
That's that.
00:45:00
I think that's an obvious thing.
00:45:01
If you actually watched that game, mostly was the reason why Buffalo couldn't move the ball.
00:45:05
It's funny, and I have one point sort.
00:45:07
Oh, that's when Singletary started getting the ball at the end of the game.
00:45:10
And maybe, maybe that causes a spark running a different, you know, running to the outside more.
00:45:14
But I also wonder, OK, but did he just have that success in the end the game? Because mostly wasn't in there. Absolutely.
00:45:19
It's good point Grand.
00:45:21
Yeah, Well, good job. Good job.
00:45:23
No.
00:45:24
So, actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna shift this over to you, Kyle, cause, you know, obviously being the fantasy guy and all that, um, I I think you know, again, a lot of people stream defense is I mean, it's tough toe to really ride one defense an entire season.
00:45:36
But in some sense is that the Patriots defense last year was a a candidate to be one that you play most weeks because in a lot of cases, they had a good match, especially early on.
00:45:47
Do you see the same sort of strategy with them or the bills this year? Or do you think especially teams like, you know, just not worth picking up some of these defense is like the jets or the dolphins.
00:45:58
Or at least early on, if that makes sense.
00:46:03
Oh, did we lose him or does he look really sad? Nope.
00:46:05
I think we lost one hell of a freeze frame.
00:46:10
Well, let me tell you, it looks He looks very upset, you know? It's like I told him that the Packers haven't won a Super Bowl since 2010 and Aaron Rodgers is getting close to the end of his career.
00:46:20
Or it's like I said, the Packers have had to 30 years of of Hall of Fame level quarterback.
00:46:25
Point of only won two Super Bowls.
00:46:27
How is that possible? I don't face the batteries.
00:46:34
I you know, I did hear everything bythe four years ago. The mannequin show.
00:46:47
Thank you. I was frozen. Thanks.
00:46:49
If thanks for riffing, will you wait? No, no problem.
00:46:52
But I started laughing, cause have we all seen Harold and Kumar go to White Castle and Yeah, OK, so you know the scene where the driving back to Ah, God, basically where they go to get fixes cars.
00:47:06
Chris Maloney, the guy from Law and Order.
00:47:09
But he there, sitting in the car, they're talking about the plus coming out of his years and everything.
00:47:13
And then they stop talking in about three seconds, go by, and he's like, heard everything you said.
00:47:19
That's kind of what I thought about when you pop them.
00:47:22
But don't worry.
00:47:23
I wasn't trying to hide it.
00:47:24
I wasn't, uh, e guess Caroline Kumar and I make sure a certain activity comment, but, um, you like white capsule, right, Kyle? Fast food.
00:47:35
Yeah.
00:47:37
So defense fantasy wise, I think.
00:47:41
Big reason.
00:47:42
The Patriots defense. Last year, people were talking about the bow.
00:47:44
Especially like you said early on, like, Oh, they were winning people so many weeks and their end of season ranking was ridiculous.
00:47:50
I think a lot of that, though, was pick sixes and elevated great defensive games, shutting out teams without Tom Brady there.
00:47:58
Teoh kind of put them in hot, you know, better situations, whether up.
00:48:03
Um, I do wonder if that's not necessarily going to be the case.
00:48:07
Teams may run against them or if they don't have toe passes much.
00:48:10
That leads to less pick sixes in those type of defensive scores.
00:48:13
Not that fumble recoveries can't be returned.
00:48:16
But you see that a lot.
00:48:17
Last cuz pick sixes.
00:48:18
So I do think that I don't think we see the Patriots be as good of a fantasy defense as they were last year.
00:48:25
Um, I mean again like he is that I prefer to stream.
00:48:29
I don't want to make early investments on defense.
00:48:31
I know I could see it this year.
00:48:32
The 40 Niners defense is probably gonna go 5th 6th round and, yeah, if they produce what they did last year and ac***ulate those type of sacks, Sure, that may be worth it, but, you know, on the weeks where they go up against the Saints and allow 40 points, I don't think they're playing the Saints this year, but they play the Packers.
00:48:51
Now.
00:48:52
The Packers are gonna put a point getting Thursday night game in San Francisco.
00:48:55
But if they went into those types of games, though, they're gonna be e n a l out 48 points.
00:49:00
They're gonna not be worth playing so much that Okay, well, if you take your normal whatever play your took in the sixth round, you expect that player to be in your starting lineup every week.
00:49:09
I think that's kind of how I see it.
00:49:10
So that's why I will never take a defense before probably 1/10 11th round.
00:49:15
Just because you know, as great of a defense, is if they run into the bad matchup against a great offense and they allow a ton of points.
00:49:21
It doesn't matter how many sacks they ac***ulate.
00:49:23
If they're losing all the points, this all depends on scoring.
00:49:26
I've actually heard of some defensive formats that points allowed isn't taken into account.
00:49:30
It's literally just sacks.
00:49:32
I know braiding Holecek plays that.
00:49:33
He said He plays in that type of league, so that could be a little easier.
00:49:36
And the thing with the Patriots, though, is Are they going to produce enough sacks? Because those are the defense's I looking for who's gonna at least give you a weekly for floor of points because they get to 34 sacks a week.
00:49:48
I don't know that it's the Patriots with all the pieces they lost specifically in their front seven.
00:49:51
If I were to choose any defense in this division, I think would be the Bills just because I do like what they have, um, as a from a front seven perspective.
00:50:00
Well, and if you think about it, if you think about valuing sacks over everything you know as a trickle down effect, if you're a team that gets a lot of sacks, will.
00:50:08
Generally, you're putting the offense in worse position, field position.
00:50:12
You know, maybe these sacks come on second and third down.
00:50:15
So now all of a sudden, you're forced to throw on third and long, and it opens up opportunities for your defensive back.
00:50:20
So, you know? Yeah.
00:50:21
I mean, if you're gonna if you're gonna key in on one area, I would say probably sack totals are what you would want to see, especially Excuse me, fantasy wise.
00:50:28
But, um, excuse me, if you even think about some of the best defense is over the last 10 years, you know where I'm talking? Seattle, You know, obviously throw in New England and in San Francisco last year.
00:50:41
Um, you know, the Ravens, I I think, uh, you know, we talked about the Jets at the end of 2000 the two thousands in the 2010.
00:50:49
All that some of those really good defense is where were any of them So much more valuable than another defense and fantasy that it made a big difference, And I'd say no, even if you know, they were great and historically great.
00:51:02
Yeah, in the NFL, I mean, And what I've seen to it some years.
00:51:06
The number one fantasy defense isn't necessarily the best defense.
00:51:09
I think the last two years we've seen it where last year was the 40 Niners and Patriots.
00:51:13
Okay, at both.
00:51:14
Great defense is and happen to be both great fantasy defense.
00:51:17
Is the Bears in 2018 as well? Yeah, amazing defense, and they produce for fantasy.
00:51:22
But I remember one year I think it was a 14 15 chip.
00:51:25
Kelly era was actually the Eagles just because it seemed like there was week after week.
00:51:29
They were getting pick six after pick six.
00:51:31
And the defense wasn't all that great.
00:51:33
A lot of points.
00:51:34
The office had an average drive time of 15 seconds.
00:51:37
Yeah, that was a big problem there, too.
00:51:39
Which meant that the defense was on the field more, which could hurt the defense, but also kind of helps.
00:51:44
Fantasy defense is because there chance to ac***ulate more sacks, chance to ac***ulate more picks.
00:51:48
And so that was a weird case where the Eagles, under being a great defense that year.
00:51:52
But it was tough to predict.
00:51:55
So, um, you know, again, the last couple years we've seen it and So if you can predict who was gonna be this year's San Francisco 40 Niners, that would be the team to invest in.
00:52:04
No.
00:52:05
Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:06
But again, who's who's gonna predict that? Who's it gonna be? Is gonna be the Browns so finally gonna be, Oh, it's gonna be the 40 Niners again And yeah, because they're so incredible.
00:52:14
I wonder if the Bears rebound.
00:52:15
That might be the team.
00:52:16
If if they're going cheap enough and draft, maybe that's the team you invest in earlier.
00:52:19
They still have Khalil.
00:52:20
Mack still should be a good pass rush.
00:52:23
I know as a Packers fan, that's this isn't an NFC North episode, but that's the team I'm most threatened. Buys the Bears.
00:52:29
I think with all the changeover on defense for the Vikings, I don't think it's them.
00:52:32
I think getting Nick Foles.
00:52:34
We'll talk with that on the NFC North.
00:52:36
So but, well, well, and and that's kind of like what? You know, we started this show talking about in this division.
00:52:41
It really comes down to quarterback play, and I know people want to sit here and say, Well, you know, court, you know, Winds on record.
00:52:47
Techstat and I get it.
00:52:48
I understand where you're coming from.
00:52:49
I mean, every stat is a collection off the entire group effort.
00:52:55
I mean, from past completions, toe touch down.
00:52:59
So everything.
00:53:00
So to sit there and break it apart and say Oh, winds aren't it's the same thing And when we look at that, so when we break down all these divisions and everything like that, you can have a great defense like Chicago.
00:53:12
But if you get Mr Risky playing quarterback the way Mr Brisky plays quarterback, what are you, your 500 team? Now you put in a no Nick say, it's Nick Foles of, you know, his eagle Super Bowl run, Nick Foles.
00:53:27
All of a sudden, you're looking at Chicago and saying, Wow, that's a That's a 12 13 win team.
00:53:31
Of course, it helps that they have a great defense, but it doesn't matter unless you have the guy who's is guaranteed to touch the ball 50% of the time that your your on the field and, of course, has a much bigger hand on, you know, if he's still in pics, of course, he's gonna put the defense in bad position.
00:53:47
If he's not doing picks and protecting the ball.
00:53:49
Guess what? The defense has a better job.
00:53:51
So I do ultimately think like the Bear stay of Sea East is gonna come down to the quarterback play and and again for the first time in a very long time, it's up for grabs.
00:54:02
It's up for grabs.
00:54:03
Now, I'm not gonna ask you guys to give any sort of predictions, because I think it's too early for that.
00:54:08
Uh, we were gonna continue to go through these divisions every week.
00:54:12
Next week, we're gonna hop over going to do the NFC East, so we're going to kind of keep it east, east and then, you know, whatever.
00:54:18
We'll figure it out the weeks after we're gonna try to get, you know, when we do, the South will obviously have Jesse on and talk about the Colts and all that stuff.
00:54:25
So we want to make sure that everyone's coordinating properly.
00:54:28
But the goal is to do the same divisions counterpart every, you know, week after week.
00:54:34
So we're going to do that.
00:54:36
So next week we'll get to talk NFC East this week, obviously a F C East and at the end of it all will give our predictions after that.
00:54:42
I think that's fair, right? Yeah, I I do think it's a little too early right now, toe to start predicting because I don't know.
00:54:49
I see that That means the quality of our early predictions won't be as good as our later prediction.
00:54:53
So if you want to make all our predictions mattering like mean the most like, OK, yeah, these are our predictions.
00:54:58
But we also made them Yeah, early June.
00:55:00
So I'm going to be wrong.
00:55:02
So I'd rather only be wrong once it is opposed to toe.
00:55:04
So I'm saving myself a very good point. Exactly.
00:55:08
The numbers it's all about the know exactly its percentages, you know, percentages.
00:55:12
Just like Pavel burried, you know? Hey, he didn't score the most goals in a season, but it was the the amount that he scored.
00:55:19
It's such a short period of time, and that's what I'm going for.
00:55:21
You know, um, for those who use you don't know what I'm talking about.
00:55:25
What? Oh, man.
00:55:29
But Kyle and I have spent a significant amount of time the last couple weeks talking about hockey's greatest goal scorers in goalscoring season, so that kind of let that seep in.
00:55:36
But, folks, thank you very much that I went by pretty quickly, so we had some fun.
00:55:41
We're gonna talk NFC East next week.
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Um, Brandon Ray above me. That's Brandon.
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Underscore, Ray 79.
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Kyle, That's right.
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And I got to learn kind of have a point in this, you know, it's it's coming off different.
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You know what I give up.
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I'm not gonna try top left corner of your screen.
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That's N Y a m a underscore ks and, of course, Jesse Pearson, Colts managing editor.
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That's Jesse T.
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Pearson P I E R s.
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Oh, and I'm a great speller, and I'm so glad I don't screw that up on live camera.
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So, folks have a great day.
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