But today, discussing something is a bit more important than the Lakers.
Racism in America.
More specifically, what our responsibility is as black people in media to address social issues.
I'm joined by three people of connected with on my journey as a content creator and fill their experiences as black Americans in this country.
Um, within media as well.
It will prove helpful and helping me leave this conversation.
So first, let me introduce the A sap hosts of the in the clutch podcast and editor for MBA TV and CNN Sports mania.
How are you? I'm good.
How are you? Thank you for having me.
Um, second, I want to add Melvin Taylor, host of Alternative Road Podcast and the Windmill radio show on W H C R.
903 was going on Mill still, man.
Thank you so much for having me on today.
Greatly appreciate it.
And last but certainly not least, I'd like to walk over in a Washington host of beyond the headlines and reporter for ESPN and Fox Sports.
Hey, Renee, how are you? We lost her name for a second, but she'll be back in.
Um And if you don't know who I am by Dell, I'm Alex Hollingsworth, founder and host of Laker Central and the co host of Off the Record.
Um, so again, I wanna welcome everybody to the Livestream.
I appreciate you doing this with me.
Um, you know, on May 25th officer Derek Calvin held his knee to the neck of George Floyd for eight minutes and 46 seconds, resulting in George Floyd's murder.
So since then, we've had protests happening all around the world drawing attention to police brutality and racism.
Um, we don't go a few days without there being video footage you're hitting the Internet of, you know, the someone highlighting the unequal treatment that we face as black people in America.
And I I think there's an expectation for black celebrities black athletes to condemn this treatment and use their platforms to help dismantle racism.
But the four of us all have platforms as well.
Well, and so I wanted to bring you guys on to talk about, um, what our responsibility is and using these platforms.
So, um, first, what I'm going to do it was just and ask you How are you feeling on a personal level right now with so much going on and I'm near, you're welcome to go first.
Ah, you know, of course, this week has been very heavy.
Um, you know, being a black woman, Of course, just being black, period.
We all kind of know what we face day in and day out.
And so when I saw that video, you know, I became I'm just I'm numb to it.
I'm numb because we have day in and day out.
We have my ancestors 400 plus years.
We've dealt with oppression, oppression.
We've dealt with racism and at this point is just like enough is enough, you know? But words just can't even describe.
You know how I feel.
Um, but I'm also in high spirits because I see that we as a black culture, were starting to wake up now and now it's like we're using our platforms to peacefully protest.
Were speaking out on social media, were holding people accountable now and I hate that.
It took all of this for us to do this, but we have to keep going, and in the midst of it all, just to see the positivity of it.
I feel that change is coming, but we as people have to continue to keep the pressure on.
So despite the unforeseen cir***stances with George Floyd's death Rianna Taylor Mont Aubrey, Um, I hate that I had to take all of this, but I'm all right.
I'm glad to hear that.
Um, you're doing okay And your whole knowing much like I think off forwards are Melvin.
How do you feel? Um, right now, just personally, with everything going on in America.
Honestly, man, it's just been a feeling of frustration that's grown so much over the past couple of years because I remember that this feels a little bit like 2016 before, um, Donald Trump was elected as president.
I just remember that summer that there were videos on videos of people being just hurt, brutalized, murdered on camera by police officers.
And after everyone, I felt just less and less of hope of anything was gonna happen.
And I haven't even been able to watch the full George Floyd video because ever since the trade by Martin verdict like, I remember being in Chicago and watching it on TV and hearing about it and just saying that like they don't care.
It doesn't matter what happens, what people say, how old you are as long as you're black.
Nobody just gives a crap was gonna happen to you.
So it's It's It's really like it's inspiring to see so many people out there right now to see that they're fighting for what we need to have happen, what should have happened, but similar to what Neil was saying.
It's disappointing that it had to take all of this for to be able to occur.
But hopefully things will be able to improve right now.
I just want change to be able to happen.
Renee, how are you feeling On a personal level with the social unrest, you know, with the blatant racism that seems to be in our faces Now, um, just how are you feeling? Yeah, I think to go back, Teoh.
You know the points that Melvin and never saying is just, you know, for me at 27 years old, as a double minority, I'm I always tell people I'm reminded of that every day.
You know, this is something that is devastating.
It's emotional, it's it's heart wrenching, but unfortunately, not surprising.
You know, you talk about Trayvon Martin, and you talk about all the number of cases that we've seen the have nots.
What person? The person gets off.
You've seen a lot of stories that have been popping up lately of cases that were swept under the rug completely.
So it's exhausting to know that this fight, you know, is it's gonna take so much more time.
You know, we've come so far.
Don't get me wrong. We're no longer slaves.
We're no longer dealing with segregation.
And I was I was telling people like I no longer have to worry about a sign telling me where I could drink from a water fountain or go to the bathroom.
But at the end of the day, the racism, the ***es on the discrimination, the pure hatred, because you look different is still there.
And that is the hardest part of all this because I've been having so many conversations of people.
So one of the positives out of all this, the fact that a lot of people have been reaching out, asking questions we've been engaging in conversation about what it's like to be a black woman in America or whatever their background is.
But on the other hand, I still see MAWR and more people, whether it's celebrity like Drew Brees or just ordinary people that are coming out with these blatantly racist, ah ignorant statements and just remind you that we have so far to go.
There's so many people that are uneducated about what it's like to be a minority in this country.
So it's it's encouraging and the fact that I feel like with social media I know down in D.
They painted the black lives matter, um, on one of the streets, like we've been seeing all these different things on social media, that showing Okay, maybe this is a time we were actually moving towards change.
But then, on the other hand, you are reminded just how far we still have to go, and it's exhausting being black in America.
And this is just something that just weighs on you For that reason, because it's every time I turn around and seem video or a picture or post of someone else.
Someone's brother, someone's son, someone's sister, mother being just completely disrespected, violently treated.
I just was watching a video of a woman that was murdered in police custody.
Know what? It was swept under the rug, and I was watching the video and I It's hard.
It's It's hard knowing that this could be one of us, you know? And I think that's something that a lot of people don't understand.
The fear is genuine.
As a black woman, I'm terrified.
Sitting in my place, I'm terrified that someone's gonna come busting through my door and have hopes.
Wrong place, Wrong time.
Didn't mean to do that.
Uh, what does that bring back? Rianna Taylor? Or that I'm going to go for a jog and someone's gonna feel threatened by me and feel the need to attack in your worst? Kill me? Does that bring back amount armories? Oh, it's just exhausting.
And I'm just hoping this is the time for change.
If nothing else, man exhausting.
You hit that on the head? Um A.
It's always felt exhausting to be a black person in America, despite the progress that was made before we were all born in the progress is still taking place.
And I thought about it a lot this week.
Um, my real job is so to speak.
I've been a banking and finance for 17 years, and my job sends out these corporate responses about diversity.
And I just like to say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because that's all that really used to me.
And I felt like I'm the only black man black person on my team at my at my bank, and no one has reached out and said, Hey, just how are you feeling? Right? Like throughout this whole time with the Corona virus, my boss and other people have reached out.
How are you handling? But how? How is your family? But this thing that goes on with racism in America, no one has asked.
Hey, how are you doing with that on top of the pandemic? On top of all these other things that you have to deal with just as an adult? Right? And so there have been a couple days this week where I've just been like I just feel so tired, and I don't even know why I feel tired.
Outside of this is just, you know, the It's great that social media exists to bring attention to these things, but then just seeing it over and over weighs me down.
And you mentioned Renee that, you know, we're no longer slaves, right? We're no longer segregated the way that our grand parents and great grand parents, how they had to live in America.
But we do live in a different America than white people, right? I mean, it doesn't matter if, um how educated you are as a black person, how much money you have as a black person held likeable.
You are the black person we live in two different Americas.
So why, in 2020 60 years after civil rights movement, you know, why is it that we're still in two different Americas and Renee, I'll start with you? I am honestly, that that is something that I cannot wrap my head around.
You know, I honestly had someone that commented these ignorant statements to me attacking me because I support the black lives matter movement.
Because in their mind, I was supporting violence, looting, rioting because I'm supporting black lives matter.
Even though we've all stressed time and time again, the purpose and the mission of this is for equality were not encouraging.
Violence were not encouraging looting.
Black lives matter that's doing that, either.
It's a lot of people with their own agenda and prove my defense of that.
The person actually attacked me and said, My four year old is smarter than you, your dumb, your kid.
You're a child. You know what you're talking about.
I have a master's degree.
I've I'm 27 years old.
I've accomplished a lot in my lifetime as an athlete, as a reporter, so to attack my intelligence, to attack my academics and educational attack who I am as a person because you disagree with me is the reason why we're fighting this in the first place, you know? And I think the biggest thing I keep telling people is we're no longer getting lynched, but we're still getting murdered publicly, you know, like it's the same type of.
It's the same exact type of killing and the same exact type of treatment.
It's just a different victim, and it's a different method, but we haven't fully changed, you know.
It's were still living in a very different America and even down to there are people in this country that are ignorant and There are people in this country that really have no concept of what it's like for us.
And Drew Brees statements definitely show that there are a lot of people that think that way.
I've had a lot of people have said, Well, why is it that you protest whenever a police officer kills a black person? But you don't protest black on black crime? You don't protest ********.
You don't I'm like, Whoa! I mean, how many? At the end of the day, there's a lot of things going on in our country that are wrong.
Bottle violence, abuse, drug addiction, all types of crimes.
We're focusing in this specific movement on the inequality and social injustice in our country.
So to be ignorant toe use one crime to downplay another crime.
It's just exactly why we are in the state predicament in the first place, because our lives are not valued if you don't see the issue with George Floyd's death, because people are killing each other and black people are killing each other.
That's why we're fighting.
If you think it's OK for a cop to kill a black person because black on black crime exists.
That's why we're fighting.
So there's so much.
There's so much of a gap that still needs to be filled.
We're still catching up.
We're still behind in a lot of ways, academically, economically, the black communities behind.
And it started because we didn't come to this country by own free will and get and be given a fair opportunity.
We came to this country as property that was looked at as less than a dog toe.
Help people's plantations.
So don't act like because slavery's over suddenly Now we caught up.
No, we're still very behind.
My mom grew up with crosses burning on her front yard.
You know, like we that's the next generation up.
So for us, we are hopefully part to change.
But when you look at all that still going on in the country, I think people just assume now that we have rights and now that we have on paper seen as Americans and equality and we have the same rights as a woman as every other man, and now there's still a lot to catch up on.
So I see I have been attacked for my academics and and who I am as a person because I simply want equality and justice and peace.
Yes, there's a long way to go.
The gap is still There were very much in two different Americas and all that we've been seeing around Colin Kaepernick, the NFL, Drew Brees.
So everything just shows that, you know, I think we live in two different Americas because they don't have to live in the one that we do, right? Whenever we get a little close, they move away, right? Like physically, right? And so someone like Drew Brees that you just referenced and I'm gonna get in his comments as we go through to show one of the things that jumps out about the kind of comments that he makes is you don't have to have a master's degree or a PhD to understand what's going on in the world.
There's this thing called Google, right? You can literally google anything, and statistic from universities from your own federal government are available.
That shows how we're treated versus white people, right? So that that there's willful ignorance there.
And no, I'm curious on your thoughts as well.
I mean, we all live in, you know, in areas that have a lot of black people.
New York, New Jersey.
Um, why is it that we're in two different Americas? You know, a sub lack of accountability is number one, lack of education, lack of everything.
You know, um, I feel as though they never valued at us enough to even understand our struggles are pain.
You see that now where people are very well, why don't you do this? Well, why don't you do that? It's not that easy for black people.
And I think that people don't understand that.
And it's just the fact that now to me, it's just ignorance because the power of social media, like you said earlier power of Google, you can literally go and Google history in facts and not to mention as black people.
A lot of our history has been destroyed because they didn't want They don't want us to know who we really are as a culture as a race.
And so when you live in a different I grew up in the predominately black community my entire life, I only went to school black people, my first time ever going to a diverse setting or anything was when I went to my two year school in Miami of than that What's HBC use? But I'm like So from my standpoint, I wouldn't know what it's like to grow up to be whites.
But in my ignorant and my thinking like, Oh, you know, well, they do it this way.
So everybody has do it that way.
It just never makes it.
It never makes sense to me and then they try and justify it.
Well, you shouldn't feel this way.
You shouldn't protest.
You shouldn't do this.
You shouldn't do that.
Our whole lives have been controlled.
Black people can't do this.
Black people can't do that.
Let the Patriots lose the Super Bowl guests without their protest ing guests was out there looting.
Guess who's out there putting cars on fire or just a couple weeks ago? Everybody is upset that the country is not opening back up.
You're going to them with guns? A.
Ours Everything are they tear can ist writing what with rubber bullets? Are your deaths being recorded on the phone? You go to trial and those people are found not guilty, so it's just it's ignorant now It's just completely ignorant, and everyone wants to have this blindfold earning Aussie said a great point about Drew Brees using the American flag as a blindfold.
Yes, it's no more of that because now it's being shown on social media, and so are we gonna continue to ignore it.
It's ignorance, You know.
One of the things that we have to do is black people learned both Americas, right? Like is a thing called code switching right, how we behave at work versus how we behave when it's all black people, right? They don't have to learn any of that stuff.
And one of the things that bothers me is when they say, Well, how come? Like, for example, if it's another minority with my grandparent's? They came here with nothing, and they bootstrapped and they work their way up.
No one came to this country the same way our ancestors came to this country like no experience, even remotely comes close it.
So to reduce our struggle to where you guys need to work harder or you guys need toe.
When the officer tells you to do something, just obey.
Listen, I've been around a lot of white boys who said a lot of crazy **** that what two cops and those cops did not react the way that they do tow us right like it's It's crazy.
So, Mel, I see you laughing, man, like what's going on, man? Honestly, Im left because you just basically explained my fire college spirits like I went to a pwr, joined mostly what fraternity? And they put me in charge of making spirit of people like got out of jail.
They got in there that I didn't burn toe.
It's the amount of stuff that I heard him saying Police on a weekly basis, like blew my mind to be like we're all still here.
How do you not see How do you not get messed up overall? But I wanted to go back to your point about there being two Americans, and I think it's because, actually, we haven't been condition that way.
But the majority has been conditioned to think that everything has been fine on our aspect of things.
I was having a conversation with my friends back when there's a were you thinking about law from the 18 until now, you have to eat crack at the prison industrial competence.
Then you have the war on terror.
Can you go into President Obama? And on a mass level we haven't really been as now does Everybody is right, nap for a long time.
So I would say, Well, where's his bed? Has become out of nowhere, it's been there.
We just have to suppress it because we weren't in control As much media is what we are today.
To be able to have those voices be heard to be able to share all these video to go back to 3 4004 nobody was able to share videos the way in which we are right now, right? Nobody is able to see all the things of which were able to see and be able to show you in real time what's really going going outside.
I think that that also played a huge role into it as well.
Today we always lived in this.
It's just that you have the ability be able to turn it off where we've had to go through it and mostly talked about it amongst ourselves.
No, I think that's exactly right.
And I think back you mentioned you know, you were in charge of basically getting people out of trouble.
I remember back back in, 01 when? Um, the Maryland Terrapins won 90 w championship in basketball.
I think it was a one, and I was up at University of Maryland partying because they won the championship.
But I remember all those white kids white male specifically like they had bonfires going over trashing cars and all the cops were on horses just standing around watching.
And I was thought to myself, even back then, if this was at Howard, are Grambling for any place that was predominately black, they would have shut that **** down so quick.
But they were literally standing there on their horses and letting them terrorize College Park.
And I'm like, How does anybody not see that? There's a difference in how they get the behaved and versus how we do? And I feel like when tragedies like what happened to George Floor, his murder, the media seems to have a hard time calling a thing a thing, right? Like as he headlines like, you know, they use racial undertones or something was racially racially motivated, why not just say it was racist because it clearly was racist, right? Like, why is it so hard for media companies to just call it what it is? Or they really afraid that they're gonna You know, they're gonna offend their white constituents or the white consumer base? But Renee, what do you think? Yeah, I think that's the problem.
It goes back to What I was saying about accountability is we allow people like I get it.
We live in a country where you're supposed to have an opinion and you're supposed be allowed toe.
Think what you want in post what you want and say what you want.
Yet we need to know that some of these thoughts are what's actually leading to people getting killed.
So by us tiptoeing around the the issue here and not calling a spade 1st 8 and calling racism for what it really is Europe perpetuating it, you're allowing it to continue your allowing this these mindsets to be looked at as ok when in reality it should be being racist is a crime.
It's wrong if you aren't discriminating against someone because of their race, their gender, who they choose to love whatever discrimination category you're falling into it is wrong.
And when it leads to violence like we're seeing in the death of George Floyd, that is where we have to call it out for what it is.
You know, this man sat with his knee on another man back on his neck, keeping him from breathing for nine minutes.
As he stared off.
New people were recording him.
New people are standing watching.
You don't even care that there's people watching you kill this man.
You never once stopped to check his pulse.
You never once stopped to check to make.
In fact, you stared off with this angry and it looked racist to me.
If I'm going to use, if I'm gonna be honest, it look the racist to me and the way he was standing and very vindictive, like he knew what he's doing.
And this is a need to the black community.
This is this is me sending a message that I don't care that I'm a police officer that's supposed to serve and protect.
I'm gonna because I don't like this man for whatever reason.
And we find out later they knew each other and they actually had something.
They they have a past as working together.
I'm taking this personal and I'm there's no there's just no excuse for it.
So to see the way that things air tiptoed around, I think it goes back to even what Mia was saying about the protests around Cove in 19 we watched people protest reopening our country around, up, endemic with guns.
Why are you protesting up Endemic with guns, looking like you're going toe war in the faces of police officers and nothing gets done.
It tell me they don't look like a threat to you.
Meanwhile, I'm watching people that are pro testing.
What signs All different ages.
They're marching, They're chanting, there, kneeling and you're throwing tear gas at them.
You're shooting them with rubber bullets.
Reporters just trying to do their job and you're shooting them with rubber bullets.
They're a threat to you because they're standing with their back to you in the microphone.
Yet someone in your face with a gun is not a threat.
Oh, because of the color of their skin and because of what they're protesting.
Because now white people are seeing what it's like to be black a little bit when you're a pro, testing black lives matter.
You now get loved with us, so the headlines have to change.
I know The Philadelphia Inquirer.
That awful job posting a headline.
Buildings matter to something along those lines because people are are looting and rioting and destroying doing.
I am not saying it is right to do that.
I'm seeing people walk out of stores that hands full of bags like they just went shopping.
That is not right. That's wrong.
It's also not all black lives matter, but also the end of the day.
I'm fighting for life.
We're fighting for the life and death of black people.
So I'm sorry when I say to hell with the building, I'd rather be alive.
I'd rather not watch.
I don't know about you guys.
I have a brother, I fear.
And I have sisters.
I have a father and it and mother.
I fear for their lives when they're out driving and you don't hear from them for a while.
If I'm passing a cop car that's pulled someone over, I always slow down and make sure I don't know that person.
That's not a relative.
If a cop is near me, I'm panicking.
I get scared of police.
I've done nothing wrong.
I've never committed a crime in my life.
I'm educated on me all these boxes.
But at the end of day, there gonna look at me as a threat because I'm a black woman and it's terrifying.
And that's where the headlines, the even the NFL with Roger Goodell statement they put out, You gotta just get right to the point.
We're talking death here.
This is not politics in the sense of tiptoeing around.
If you're a Democrat or Republican, I get that this is life or death.
People are dying because of this.
So it's time to call out racism and ***ism and anything else when you see it and not be afraid about it.
And honestly, I've called people out.
Well, we had a conversation around it.
Some responded awful.
You go over there, I'm not following you.
Keep your your opinions over there.
I'm a stay over here with my opinions, but we got to be willing to call people and hold them accountable If any change is gonna happen, including your friends family.
That buddy of yours that's racist.
Call him out on it.
Don't let them continue.
Because essentially, you're a bystander to a bully.
At the end of the day, it's time to call him out.
So the headlines got to stop.
No, they have to stop.
You hit it on the head again.
I mean, we're protesting for equality, right? It's life or death for us.
5 months, these fools didn't go without a couple in front of haircut.
And they want to show off the state Capitol buildings with a ours that is crazy to me, right? Like it's also crazy to me that they were protesting a pandemic, right? With guns with guns.
But happy auto got health care.
Anyway, White people to write like your health care is not that great either.
Right? And so you're out there protesting this thing, Reopen the country.
Why? Why are you rushing to get back when all you're gonna do? You could potentially get sick or a relative could get sicker. Anything can happen.
These companies are gonna go on without you.
It just it Bob with my mind.
But now what do you think also these headlines.
Why not just call it what it is? So, you know, I think it's funny we're talking about, you know, of course, like the media and stuff like that and their choices of how they present the news.
And they they try and have this narrative as if, Oh, the looters black lives matter Because now, see, the narrative has changed, guys.
334 years ago when Colin Kaepernick took that me will The disrespect to the American flag.
Now everything is coming to light black lives matter was looked at as a terrorist group.
Oh, yeah, And I'm gonna be honest with you guys now.
I've always been for black lives matter got a T shirt, everything.
When everything first happened when it when the movement first came out, I was there.
But of course, me thinking why I'm an athlete this time I was in college.
I'm thinking about what I want to do in my career.
So I'm like, Okay, let me step back.
It is sad that I even have to do that because I'm a black woman.
I shouldn't even have to want to do that, you know? And so they want to put this narrative or just people, period to kind of put them at this comfortable state to think like, Oh, you know, it's just the black people just acting, acting erratic.
I don't know why they're upset.
He should have just complied.
You know how they like to do.
Okay, we watch this man for nine minutes with his hands in his pocket.
He was taunting everybody around because he knew he could do it.
So it's like, Why not just state it and just be riel? Just be honest and say this was racially motivated.
This is the reason why everything is happening right now is because of systematic racism, oppression, what we've dealt with for 400 plus years.
Just say it already.
Stop tiptoeing around it.
But you know what? Nobody wants to have that hard conversation.
And until we as people as this nation as white people, black people, Asians, Hispanics until everyone is ready to have that real conversation and speak the facts because again you must educate yourselves.
There's there's plenty of resource is to go and do that.
Don't call me and ask me what I need to read what I need to watch.
Netflix is doing a great job.
All these do***entaries, all of these books, all of these movies, Google Social Media, You can't miss it.
There's no reason for you to be this ignorant anymore.
So why are we tiptoeing around it? Every headline I see.
Why not just state it.
So until we get out of beating around the bush and everybody wanna have this comfortable mindset and not just stating the fact that there are some very racist and ugly people in this world, they're gonna keep tiptoeing around it and we're gonna keep stating facts, and we're gonna keep holding them accountable.
And we're gonna make sure they make those changes because now enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
You know what I think? It might have been within a year.
You know, when Kaepernick signed with Nike and Nike started running those campaigns to supporting right.
And there was a lot of white folks that were upset, but Nike stock went up.
No one stopped buying Jordan's.
No one stopped buying Nike, right? Like nothing happened to the company.
And so, Mel, when we look at newspapers, uh, newsrooms, you know the media in general.
If they say Donald Trump is racist, are they really afraid People gonna turn the channel to another network? I mean, is that really what they're afraid of? Like, what's what's to Dio? I mean, it's kind of laughable that people think that Oh man, they said, Donald Trump is racist.
I'm just turn the TV off.
People are gonna watch what they want to watch when they wanna watch it.
But because you're calling out something that's truthful, that means that more people will pay attention to what's going on until what you're saying, like the oh, here.
We made a great joke yesterday and seeing every station that was bad with Michael Jordan even come out a couple right $100 million.
I'm like going money.
Said who? I how bad You know it is right.
So the fact that people are still saying Hey, this is accurate isn't a real depiction of what's going on out it's about is just as un electable.
Two nannies points.
You have so many platforms to be able to go out here and research to go out here and say I can educate myself to watch on Netflix to watch on who to watch on Amazon problem.
If you're still point a year asking your very fine black friend and what can I do to be able to educate myself? What's going on there never really shows what you're about and this one time So I don't know.
These people are doing that and being goofy and my pain, they need to get it together.
And you mentioned Jordan, right? I mean, when I saw that hunted mill, I was like, Okay, 100 me.
In over 10 years, I've never seen Jordan do that.
I've never seen really any seven year contract with black people.
It's so much money, and it seems like he's starting toe use his platform.
When did he shied away from using for on racial topics and politics and things like that.
He's finally starting to use it, but so many celebrities have spoken out against racism.
One thing that does bother me, though, is and many of their statements they're trying to make white people feel okay also, and that ****es me off like they always started with not all white people or and I'm like, Well, if you're not a racist white person.
Well, you know this statement not directed towards you, right? Like, why do we need to make them feel comfortable when we haven't felt comfortable? 500 years.
Let me go ahead, Rene.
No, that is literally it.
Like when someone makes a comment about I don't know, like, let's say black on black crime that I am offended about that by that, of course.
But I'm not taking a personal.
I've never committed a crime.
You know, I'm not it.
I'm not in that lifestyle.
So what? I know ironically, I had ah, white person.
I was talking to a friend.
That was like, um we started talking about the black lives matter movement, and he was like, I'm so sorry to bring this up like this is such an uncomfortable topic.
I know this is uncomfortable.
I'm, like, look, being being judged, stereotypes, racially profiled, fearing for my life that is uncomfortable talking about it is actually the easiest part of it.
Because I could tell you stories for days about all the racism and ***ism I've dealt with as a soccer player.
All the racism I thought with as a woman in sports and just being black in America, all the stuff that I've dealt with unlike theirs, there's enough in this world that is uncomfortable toe live with, so to talk about it is the easy part, you know, at the end of the day, it's like what I always what I always go back to is whenever you expect change to happen, it doesn't happen in the comforts of your zip code.
You know it doesn't happen when you are comfortable.
Doesn't happen when things are easy and convenient.
Change happens because you're uncomfortable and it's time to move.
Change happened because in this case, people are dying.
And I know for me I'm My thought is, yes, I'm a journalist, but I was black way before I was a journalist.
I owe it to myself, and I owe it to my family and my mind two year old nephew and my future kid that I will hopefully, God willing, have one day to make sure that I am defending them first.
And if a job doesn't want to hire me because of that, your loss, I don't want to work for you anyways.
So the a distinction that are still busy focused on protecting their audience.
You want to get anxious audiences that the type of company you want to be because I don't want I don't want to be affiliated with anybody.
If you are saying that my defending the black lives matter movement makes me someone you don't want to hire, trust and believe, I don't want to work with you anyways.
So at the end of day, we got to stop tiptoeing around it.
We're not talking about what side of the what side of poll you vote for in the in in pull it in politics.
We're talking my for desk.
This is a situation that's very uncomfortable.
I'm pretty sure was very uncomfortable for George Florets.
Have to bury him for his daughter to know her father is not coming home for Amman armories family to watch him get gunned down as he went out for a dog.
Some things done every day Briana Taylor to be sitting in her home and get gunned down, but there is more uncomfortable, so I have to do with that.
Then you have to talk about it so that in itself is an act.
Don't want to hear your especially adults.
You're not a child.
How about the fact that one of my friends had to have the conversation with her two kids about how racism exist in his world? And you, how you have to be mindful of the things you're saying, the things they're doing that's uncomfortable not talking about as adults.
So let's get to the point where we don't have to tell as black people.
We don't have to tell our kids.
Oh, you know what this is why little Johnny got that opportunity and you didn't.
And let me tell you about what it's like to be black in America.
I'd like to not have to have that conversation with my future Children.
So let's cut the act, get over it.
It's uncomfortable being racially profiled and deal with racism.
So, for if you're not black, please welcome to our world this it is uncomfortable in America.
No funny thing is lead right into my next set of questions.
I'm like they do in my notes or something.
I say my job way are black before anything else right, Like when people say they don't see color.
Like that is just bull****, right? I mean, I was a study.
I'm a sociology major.
There's a study that found that you see color before you see ***.
I mean, like eso.
You certainly noticed what someone looks like.
And it's important for us to use our platforms to do what we're doing right now, right? Share experiences and hopefully, impact change.
I was doing some research on who actually is writing these headlines.
Who's actually publishing all this stuff.
So 77% of reporters editors, photographers, videographers in newspaper and the Internet publishing my nose don't semi separate 77% of white, 77% of really borders Editors, photographers, videographers, newspaper in the Internet like that is crazy, right? Like if 77% of the people that do all this reporting or white, they're never going to see things from our perspective and they're gonna keep framing it in a way that's comfortable to the people that they represent.
The four of us have 50,364 followers across social media.
Let me repeat that the four of us that 50,364 people, followers across social media.
I mean, we have a responsibility, and you kind of went into this.
But do you guys ever feel that you're gonna negatively impact your career by speaking your truth, speaking our truth near, please.
So with me being as young as I am and kind of really getting into the game, Um, at one point, if you was to tell me this last year, you know I'm protecting my brand.
I'm protecting my brand, you know, Um, but this really kind of made me think differently.
Um, at the end of the day, regardless, if I'm Neal on air near Simonis sap, whoever I'm near sap the black woman, okay? And so it's the branding, and everything is out the window.
Fact Now it's just about me as a human and believing in my human rights and believe in that I should be treated just like every single body in this world.
No matter my skin tone.
No matter my complexion or, um, where I come from, how tall I am, what I did in my life.
All of that sort of is out the window now.
It was about me being a black woman and standing up for what's right and everything that I've seen at 23 years old.
I don't even want my kids like I can only imagine what my mom grew up seeing or my grandma or my great grandma.
I know their pain is just This is it's tough.
So if I get an email today from any anybody that I'm doing freelance work, part time work was ever if I was to apply for a job today and they deny me because of my social media and what I'm standing for, I'm one of those people that's out there protesting. Yes, I am.
And I'm proud to do it because you know what? My ancestors did it, and I told that to them.
So me being silence or anybody that's being a silent that's black, and it's not outraged by how we've been treated for so long.
If you don't wanna hire me, that's fine.
Now it's made me realize that we as black people number one, we need to have our own platforms, and that's what we've been doing.
And everyone is doing well in their own ways.
You know, we're gonna keep support each other when I keep retweeting each other.
When I keep dialoguing with each other.
When I keep recommending each other, that's what we have to do now.
And so now it's made me think outside the box.
I don't even wanna work for a big time company anymore.
I used to dream about E.
I used to dream about that.
But you know what? And I interned at our local one of our local news stations here back in the fall, and I just remember every day I'd come again.
Of course, there's not too many black people in the newsroom, and I put in perspective for myself.
I don't want to do local news sports reporting because number one I am a dark scan woman, and I'm proud to be a dark skinned woman.
And so we, as black women already get tear down, but the color of our skins all you're not.
You're not light enough your you know, I've double colorism and so dealing with it in the newsroom.
It's riel, me wearing about Oh, I have to wear this week.
I no longer want to wear wigs anymore.
It's sad that I even have do that.
Yes, the struggle is that that I have to do that because, you know, again, I want to be true to myself.
And this should show all of us that we are value.
We are very creative.
Without a lot of these, a lot of these networks wouldn't even be where they're at without us.
So if you don't want to hire me because I'm standing up for black lives matter and I'm standing up for what's right.
And I've sent up from my culture in my race and who I am as a woman.
Because at the end of the day, when I write down what is what you're who is your What's your race? I'm black.
I'm an African American woman.
So you don't accept that.
Oh, well, guess what? I'm still gonna be creative.
I'm still gonna put out great content.
I'm going to talk about what I love in that sports.
And if you can't take me for who I am So being a loss, it was one.
My goal is just like yours.
T get corporate America.
And I had two goals I got into banking, get to six figures and get my VP title, and I got there.
And then my company, Capital One, restructured and I was out the door, and at that point I started feeling like, Yeah, I'm tired of working for these big companies because when they need you, they need you.
But when they don't need, you know more they will move on at the speed of light.
And so it's important for us to create our own platforms.
What's also important is we don't get a lot of second chances.
We might not get a second chance at all, right? Like we're not like them where they have an uncle or father or grandfather or their mothers, uh, oak or somebody could get them in and constantly get them in the door like one shot.
And sometimes that's all you get.
And so Milam carries.
If you tweet something or you do a you tube video war, you like something.
You ever worried that you know someone won't do business with you or you may not get a job because of that man? Was funny is that was kind of my entire experience in New York until, like maybe the past years.
So, like I originally did win the admiral so immediate.
Although they like you got your own life, we are lives learning to cross it.
Anybody I'm like cold.
Then they started fighting with me.
And every time I would tweet something that then would be a little bit breakfast.
They say, Hey, you know this job might be doing it So this job might be doing at her.
You don't want them to see this, and it gets to a certain point where little what? He was just a where anything else? I'm black.
Don't even care that much about what's going on a need.
You don't really care about me in any way shape before you know, if you care more so about my brand and will YouTube videos on putting up what tweets look like and not really looking at the message of man really be going through.
Let me research in, see what's actually happening then I don't need you to follow me.
I don't need you to be a part of my journey.
I'll go on and figure another, so I understand.
And obviously we all have been at that point, we were like, Do I want to do this to protect my brand and where I want to go or do I want to go down this path and say, You know it? It is what it is, and this is who I am and I'm so thankful that this revolutions going on right now, because maybe a couple point time where people don't have to have a conversation anywhere.
People won't have to have that thought Like, I used to do the same thing with my little brother who is a Division one athlete right now where he would sweet stuff and say stuff.
And in the past, I'm like a think about who put up there but about because of low gates of open People can say what they want to say about what their experiences are because people understand how ballot they are and that they are truthful and if these are things that are going on, So I let the floodgates open, man, if you got something going and put it out there, and for all these businesses that are putting nothing's black squares or saying we still black matter with executive boys like you.
Really taking males right now to be okay.
Fifth for my email.
Okay, Stacy. Good.
Your executive board are Minute Jerry's.
You feel he wants it.
I feel the exact same way, man.
Like So? Like I said, I'm in banking and Bank of America. They tweeted.
I think they're giving a $1,000,000,000 to fight racial inequality.
Right? And I was thinking, should I respond to this cause I know a few things about Bank of America, right? And so I've responded to him.
And I was like and I did the whole this you thing when they refined $432 million for discriminating the black people, not lending the black people, they had the same credit, same income as their white counterparts.
They bought Countrywide Mortgage, who was doing predatory lending, and Prince George's County, the wealthiest black county in the country.
Eso I tweeted all those things like all these fines that they had.
So you wanted to.
Now that you know, everybody's doing these black squares and saying what we care about black people.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You want to say what we're right behind. We're gonna donate a $1,000,000,000.
Do you know how much make America is worth a $1,000,000,000 to them is, like us give $100.
Like Like that doesn't.
That's not enough change.
Not to mention the tax.
Write off a number of other issues that I have with that whole system.
But let me ask, you discover that you talked about Drew Brees.
Can you tell me why every time we want to have a conversation about race like somehow they reduce our protest to the flag or to the national anthem or to the military? Like, why is it always reduced to a piece of cloth? Ah, well, first of all, I want to come out on your other point really quickly because it is.
I want people to realize this is not a an opportunity to just be a part of something for like, like it's, um this is this is life or death.
Okay, this is not Let me be a part of this because everyone's doing it.
And I wouldn't join in the fun.
And I wanna share square to this is life or death.
So for these businesses.
I've seen a lot of companies, networks, people that are posting these, like, really fluffy.
We stand with you.
Do you really stand with us? Are you hiring diversity? Are you? Actively do.
What do you do in the rest of the year? Okay, Right now, in June, we're dealing with black lives matter.
What are you doing? One word when no one's paying attention to you, right? And no one's checking because I've actually gone through and looked at what people statements are what happens when we're not having this conversation? How are you carrying this throughout the rest of the year? You're not.
So don't now would have jump on the bandwagon because the rest of the world is posting black lives matter in black squares and and statements that you're gonna do it and then going back to your other point.
I think it's really ignorant the way that people always throw the flag in our face.
I do not have the same feeling for the American flag that white people dio please remember me that it was not brought into this country by choice.
This is not the land of the home.
The land of the brave home of the free.
All this really? Because it took us centuries to get free.
So when you talk about the history of our country and all the great things our ancestors fought for, our country is literally built off of murder, ****, kidnapping, slavery and on the backs of minorities like us.
So don't act like our country was founded as a place like a melting pot for everyone to have a free opportunity.
No, no, it was for white people toe, have their plantations and have their companies and their businesses that now put them way ahead of us that were still playing catch up and so that the ignorance of going the American flag in her face and using that to hide behind that were kneeling and disrespecting the flag and kneeling and disrespecting our military.
That's not what we're doing.
Keep in mind some of our ancestors fall in those same wars, and that's what I love about people's response to Drew Brees.
Our grandfathers and we're fighting in the war and great grands were fighting in that same, or to come back to a country where they could not even have any freedom to do anything that comes that get use at the Abu couldn't even give you were fighting for something that literally did not even apply to us.
We were fighting selflessly for you, and that is to a fault.
Black people were very forgiving, were very understanding and loving despite all the whips, lynching chains, chopping off her feet, branding our eyes so he couldn't read and write and dropping off finger everything that we've dealt with as a society over the centuries.
We still forgive white people, and they still continue to throw the flag in our face.
So I I love all my white friends that are my best friends.
Like, dropped the whole best black friend thing to because at the end of the day, we live in two different Americas, and what the flag stands for means something completely different for me than it does for our white counterparts.
So it's ignorant because, as we're talking about, you clearly don't know the history of our country.
Our country was not a place for people to come and live this like fluffy, fun life and be able to be whoever they want to be.
No, no our country was selfish, violent people that took over land stole it from other people.
Let's not forget the native Americans ever here, but more white people cane and then proceeded to bring black people over like we were cattle and use us to build up their plantations.
So the whole flag cracks gotta go.
I respect the military.
After uncles, I've got relatives that are in the military.
I've got relatives that are cops and in law enforcement.
But at the end of day, we all should be given the same freedoms peace, justice and all that like everybody else.
The flag, things gotta go.
They love to say, Why protest? Why write those things, though they don't impact change, right? But then they also love to talk about the American Revolution and celebrate the Independence Day.
Right? And so, while they want to celebrate those things because they felt that the white colonizers were oppressed right at the same exact time, they stole land from the Native Americans and then took our Afghan ancestors and put it into bondage like that.
It's so crazy to me.
Um, Neil, what's going on? This flag thing I mean, you please, right? I mean, uh, please go, e.
I mean, as I said before, we're agreeing with ah pulling off what Ernie Johnson and said about Drew Brees comments, you know, using it as a blind vote.
It's like, I don't know if they have an issue of thinking of all the bad things their ancestors have done.
Tow us in others and again until you're ready to have that tough conversation and accountability.
And I just I don't I think it's like a brainwash.
I just never understood it.
Um, it's it's sad that again there so close, right? It's even think that we live the same life cause we'll never have this will never live the same life will never have the same struggles.
Um, And to go off of his comments.
I thought it was disrespectful because my grandfather fault all types.
He was a part of the army, you know, um and so you gotta think about Yeah. Okay.
Your grandfather may have reminded to inside of my great grandfather, and it's one of my uncles.
And so did maybe my long distance cousins did, too.
That were black.
So it's a slap in the face to fight for a country that doesn't even value.
They value your body.
They use you if you die.
I mean, okay, you know, um, but again, ignorance.
Nobody wants to have that real conversation.
And nobody wants to take accountability for what has been done to black people.
Because if you educate yourself, you go look at those duck do***entaries.
Go look at the 13 speaking well with their 10th Amendment.
Uh, you see the history from as the black stereotypes, how they have pushed this narrative of these of black people to be rapist and to be thieves and to be murderers and all this other stuff when you all did the same exact thing that get this country, you don't do it.
So confused as to how black people are painted as the world's worst creation.
I just don't get it.
It's honestly, it's so offending.
I mean, of course, Drew Brees wasn't the first person to drop that line, but it's just it's so stupid.
And it's just like at this point again, you are tiptoeing and yeller beating around the bush from the real issue, and that's the fact that it's systematic racism and really all of this started because the color of our skins, that's it.
That's it or they used six will go back to your country.
Well, I wish I could.
I would love to, but guess what? I don't even know.
We don't even know where my ancestors are from, unfortunately, because again, you will have destroyed our history.
Thankfully, we have history now.
You know that we can look back on it, stuff like that.
There's so many other things that will never know because it's been destroyed.
We don't I don't know where my answers there from.
I don't know if I could say I can go back to this part of Africa that part of Africa.
Granted, I won't even be accepted there because I'm from America.
People seem the same shock.
When Breeze made it about the flag and I just had this conversation with a friend that was just like so no one saw those pictures he took with Donald Trump not too long ago posing with Trump in the skybox and then that that should have let everybody know what side of the tracks he was.
He believed him right, And it's funny because within 48 hours, social media pressured him into releasing a PR statement against Donald Trump.
Right, that's fine and dandy.
But what do you saying behind the scenes to these people who don't agree with what black people are fighting for, Right? What's what's really interesting to me is they reduce it to the flag and the national anthem in the military.
But how come 11% of our homeless population of veterans like, if you care so **** much about the military burning our veterans right? 11% of homeless population of veterans.
So don't say to me you care all about the military, the anthem and all this nonsense.
You only care that black people are making the flag look back bad.
At least that's what you think we're doing.
And things might be a little bit better.
Hedge paid attention of Colin Kaepernick's peaceful protests, but that wasn't that was too far left for you, didn't like that, right? So I mean, Mel, what do you make of this whole the flag conversation and how it always seems to get dropped in the middle of us talking about racism, man.
I always think whenever somebody wants to have a flag conversation, my immediate point is Okay.
You know, the first stanza of the Pledge of Allegiance.
Do you know the rest of what's going on? Do you know the rest of these national anthem? Do you know the rest of the song? This this that's out there for people to be able to research, you only wanna have it surface level so that it fits your viewpoint so that it fits your perspective.
But when you act, going to be represents that point of going to start to get up before you only Drew Brees 20 things.
I don't understand how you could be in New Orleans during Katrina all the way until now, and still have the same perspective bright, literally handing who are fighting on the front lines of this.
And you still like it did before taking pictures with Donald Trump in the skybox.
But I'm sure that they had a quick zoom call to say, Hey, man, if you don't get this together weighing blocking for you and hold in your mind have not Yeah, honestly, as soon saw the video came called the Bronco Retweeted.
I said, Oh, look, it's just opened on through every piece is that it's a wrap for him at this point time.
It's really nonsensical that people just want to couch things to make themselves uncomfortable when so many other people for so long have had to live uncomfortable lives and feel just a smidge bit uncomfortable.
All of us all hell breaks loose.
So for Drew Brees and anybody else that just wants to make it about the flag and d**** themselves in it again, go back to all the veterans who come back here and that our own.
Let's go back to all the benefits that come back here to get a job and couldn't go back to all the veterans that we have that are within our families that had to go on, get alternative jobs.
So what it is that they wanted to do? My grandfather had to come back, and he drove a truck for 30 to 40 years.
What he enjoyed it.
That wasn't the first thing that he wanted to, but that's all they do, and that's what his experience was when he came back.
Let's talk about all of it.
You really wanna go? And we see the NFL.
We see all these major corporations.
They do the whole, um, black and white flag with the blue line because they love police and all this stuff, right? And we talked about how police treat black people.
Let me read this stat to you guys.
In 19 2024% of all police killings were of black Americans.
24% of all police killings were up. Black Americans.
We only make up 13% of population, right, Only 30% of population.
Then here's the kicker.
99% of all police killings had no charges pressed against them.
99% of police killings had no charges pressed against them.
They operate with impunity.
That's why when George Floyd was on the ground begging for his life, that officer didn't care.
That's why those all other officers stood around one of those office only took one to come and get that other officer often say, Wait a minute, you went too far.
None of them do that.
They operate with impunity.
And I don't I don't go ahead.
I just want to say real quick and even I've seen some people social Media as a late start to have a conversation of Okay, The other officers that were there were very young but new to the job as and they just started in a couple of days.
Even if you're new into little job, I know the difference between Hey, this is right and this is wrong between I'm maybe four days on his job were literally killing this man on the street.
I don't care what level you are in your career.
You should know the difference between that.
I just wanted to have more important than saving this man's life like that comes down to.
I would rather lose my job.
I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that I stood by and watched that watched Derek Sullivan killed George Floyd.
And I'd rather lose my job, then be a part of that.
And that's the problem.
We have people that are too busy protecting their careers.
Yes, I understand you put food on the table, but you also at the end that they have to answer a guy that's a judge, a judge.
That's way more powerful than any courtroom.
So you might get by that 12 jury members and that judge, But who's done you at the end of your life? And that's what I so I'm homeless.
If I'm jobless, I would rather die with integrity than live a coward that can't speak up for what's right.
What's wrong, whether or not those other officers were young? I don't know.
Here's one thing I do know.
Why is it that every other job in law enforcement requires you to have an advanced degree? Attorneys, judges, but cops? G D you get to carry a gun, right? Like and look, I don't have a college degree.
I haven't finished college, but you walk around the gun.
Your you have the ability within your hand to be judged or an executioner.
Yet that's the one position in law enforcement.
It doesn't require you to have any advanced training.
Any real skill, set any degree, any anything.
I mean, if a doctor killed somebody, he sued for malpractice.
He loses his license cops, though 99% haven't had charges filed against them, and less social media gets involved in impressive pressures.
To do something, and even in that case, a lot of times they put weaker charges.
And so it's just it's mind boggling to me, Do you guys? Does anyone ever message you guys and say, Just stick to sports? Stop talking about race waiting on it, B e right? Oh, my gosh, I'm waiting on that kind.
Of course I've seen it.
I've seen, you know, my fellow journalists, black journalists say, Oh, yeah, stick to sports or you see you know, some of those those trolls who cowards.
I'm sorry that hide behind fake accounts and one A troll people and and tell these athletes it's tell LeBron that I'll stick to sports until Drew Brees that.
No, they did not.
They shouldn't know.
Yeah, they defended him and said he's voicing his opinion.
Ah, we're talking life or death here.
Yeah, come back to life or death at the end of the day.
But LeBron LeBron is always, you know, label.
Oh, he's a racist.
He's a rose is he's trying to stir up tension.
It's not even like that.
It is like that forever.
Man, Do you guys still obligated Teoh, help your white friends and colleagues understand systematic racism.
Like if they ask you, what can I do? I know we kind of touched on this, but if they come to you, I mean, is it your responsibility? Is it our responsibility to help them understand? If they if they're generally trying to figure out what they can do, should we be helping? Look, my thing is, anyone that is unaware has no knowledge and is ignorant.
It started at home.
Your parents clearly did not have that conversation with you.
And I'm not your mom.
So I'm not close it up and teach you about racism in the world when you clearly have gone this far as an adult, especially as a kid. Okay, maybe.
But as an adult, that means you have never exposed yourself.
The black people and minorities you've never been in a few.
That means you're around the same types of people.
You have been around the same race because at some point, even if it's not stemming from your parents or your grand parents or whoever, someone should have talked to the way of the world.
And I have had people that ever like going back to black on Black crime.
It's such an ignorant statements, Mito immediately want to say, Well, why don't black people just get a job? Why are they in a gang? Okay, here, let me backtrack for you.
I went to a private school for high school.
I had classmates who literally owned, which I didn't know you could own.
Islands helicopters, trains owned them their own of that.
Meanwhile, I'm growing up and I misfortune to get into that private school.
My parents couldn't afford it.
They did what they had to do to help us get him.
I'm coming from backgrounds where I'm in people that if they're lucky, have one car to the household.
If they're lucky, it's usually a single parent household.
There's so many layers to what's going on in the black communities that it's not as simple as just go get a job.
Okay, how did you get a job? When you're a single mom, you can't put food on the table.
You're working too.
You have kids to take care of.
You have the education that maybe maybe as high as high school and you're also behind the able to begin with because you don't have a father that left you a trust fund or a grandfather that left you all these these things when they passed away.
You're starting from the negatives, not even scratched the negatives.
So the ignorance of not being aware of what's going on in our black communities.
That's why I applaud LeBron James for creating a school and and creating products that can be easily purchased by black people.
That's not let's not just discourage and look past that as well.
People like Jordan that I put out these brands that are impossible to afford.
LeBron James, on certain people are giving products to our communities that are communities can use.
And that's what makes change happen because we are so behind.
I will never catch that person that owned the train or their own island.
I will not be able to catch them in my lifetime.
It doesn't matter how many jobs I have.
We all know taxes and everything else.
There's no way that person who graduated from high school had a baby before they even graduated is going to be able to get enough money from one job.
Now the working two jobs.
Now they're trying to support their single.
There's just too many layers to it.
So just be ignorant to say, Well, even the people that argue food stamps and welfare, how ignorant are you not understand that there are people that need help, They need financial assistance.
They're trying to play catch up.
So the whole argument of, uh, I live nowhere.
I started because I just went.
But at the end of the day, it's ignorant.
It's very ignorant.
It's not my job to teach you.
You need to go find your own way to make an impact.
I know people have reached out like What can I do? I'm like, Go figure it out.
I'm not I'm not.
I'm not holding your hand through this.
I'm like, Are you speaking up on what's right? Are you Are you holding your friends accountable? Are you openly supporting black lives matter? If you're not doing that, I can't help you because you don't really want to be helped.
So for people that are looking for what can I do? What should I say? Say something.
How about you start with that? Stop hiding behind your quick toe.
When you don't agree with them and hide behind your computer, don't hide behind your computer screens.
Yeah, I don't know.
You mean well, we also say that for everybody that brings up the what about black on black crime? Can we talk about a system overall that inhibit? That's the Have a video about the red line.
Nobody's killing each other just because they're black.
People are killing each other because I don't have anything that they don't have money.
The environment in which stirring the conditions that they have to survive and struggle through nobody's just all.
Man, I'm black. He's left.
Somebody gotta die today.
That doesn't happen.
You have to think about what type of environment? Well, outside festive.
So long for people to get to this point.
And I'm glad that she brought up that point about the black on black crime.
Okay? Because in their mind said they think, Oh, well, a little date, a walking down street, he just goes body.
And no, it doesn't work that way around here because of little data.
Got beef with Joey across the street.
He's go handle with Joey, He's not gonna go shoot up Seo events, Patrick, whoever else? Because I don't want to have that conversation either.
As to why Dylann Roof decided to walk up in a church of innocent black people and killed nine people and walked out with a bulletproof vest.
Burger King and murdered.
Got Burger King.
Got a bulletproof vest.
$008 $20 you're on the ground Dead and camp.
And then it's like, Well, they want to play the mental week.
What? We got mental health.
Think about all the black people who are dealing with mental health issues right now because of how this country has put us.
You see the projects people grow up in the projects, think about the projects.
I think about everybody in the project and how hard it is for them to come out because this system was not set up for us to succeed.
And I could make soon so ignorant, it's so ignorant to sit up and say, you know Well, why not? Why would you wire the number so high in black on black crime? Why're black people killing each other first arrival were.
Not only are if there's someone in a gang and you have beef with them, they're killing you.
And just like you said me, I was just having this conversation yesterday.
It's not Oh, someone hurt my feelings.
I'm gonna go shoot up the nearest school or oh, I'm not really happy today.
I'm gonna go Obama Church.
No, we are intentionally attacking people for our own survival.
You will see black, and I'm not excusing it.
It needs the numbers need to go down.
You know, I am infuriated by the fact that we even as are as a society, allow the world to look at us as animals because we kill each other.
But here's what I always say to that for the me too movement there they were addressing ***ual assault.
So is are people not allowed to address and support the me too movement because their ***ual abuse that happens in people's households.
So if you're telling me that we can dismiss police killing black people because black on blind black on black crime exists, are you also telling me that **** we shouldn't argue rate? We shouldn't argue ***ual assault because there's some dads I'd like to touch their kids is that, you know, because I have been told we can't address it as a society because therefore we should be addressing anything is what you're telling me and natural what they because what happens in our own backyards and homes does not excuse and allow crimes that happen anywhere else anywhere else.
So it's time for people to get out of that ignorant, trifling mindset because projects and ghettos formed.
Why did projects and ghettos form? Thank let's look back in history.
Why did water black people gathering in one area and then white people fleeting at that area? And we have everything drop and projects for him much.
Let's take a look like I had started.
Why did the white flight happen? You know, they are so quick to talk about black on black crime.
But the truth is, crime is generally about proximity.
You're going to commit a crime against whoever lives closest to you.
So if you live in black neighborhoods, you commit crime against black people, live in white neighborhoods, you commit crimes against white people.
And before they point out what we should do to clean up our community.
Maybe if they did a better job taking care home, there wouldn't be any Dylann roofs, right? I mean, you guys point when we when? When people in our community get upset.
Sure, there's killings.
Robberies is all kinds of things.
We **** sure don't go bomb churches shoot up schools.
We don't wear black leather.
Burned a church way wrong.
It's here written on race.
Just It was just on social media last night.
Somebody went around and knocked over a bunch of graves and wrote black lives matter on it.
And there was this long thing.
Every black person said Black folks don't play around the graveyards.
We're not gonna be out doing right.
And then they found, like, of course, like least we're gonna make it look like we did it.
Make it look like a crime that we would actually do.
We're not playing around the supernatural stuff. That's not how way.
A walk on the grain.
I don't even remember I e o It was a short okay. Yeah.
No, I thought something very on.
Ah, as opposed to someone wrote in a building like something about colored people.
I'm like, What black person is going around calling each other colored? Don't even call each other color.
All right, Okay.
But that's the thing is like we don't do like serial killers and serial rapists and school bombings and church bombings and great.
All right, if you really want to talk about who's doing some of these big crimes, let's look, let's really look at the list.
It's wrong for low data to go shoot up Joey because Joey beat mob lines.
And then there are a lot of debts that happened that are innocent bystanders.
That happening. It caught in the crossfire.
But let's not isolate black on black crime and ignore all the other crimes going on in our world. That's on.
That's why it ****es me off when people want to bring up all the stats.
I couldn't believe someone was actually addressing, well, ******** and black on black crime, and I'm like, OK, we obviously live in the world that's very violent with a lot of crime.
We can't do that right now.
We don't even have mended having a energy to protest Black lives matter.
We're not gonna turn this into a black lives matter meets me to meet ********.
Pro life meets all this, and now we're protesting everything.
We got to take it one step at a time.
Rome was not built overnight, and neither is going to be equality and justice.
It's gonna take time, and we have to slowly celebrate these small victories.
But to attack black on black crime is in itself racist.
So we're talking a lot about how white folks view us and imbue our calls.
But what about the black folks who don't help our calls? Kanye West, to me is a great example, right? So he just donated to mail to Greg to George for family.
And I know they're his family can certainly use that money.
But that doesn't excuse kind.
His comments, the posing with trump, the whole race, the whole slavery with a choice stuff that he did.
His comments make it so much harder for us to fight for equality.
But what about people like it? Like, why do people even looked to entertainers toe speak eloquently about race in this country? Honestly, Because we put so many of them on such a pedestal like we already value what they have to say so much because of their society status and because they can reach so many more people.
So what they have to say is more valuable when as we're seeing right now, that's not the case.
A lot of them are saying the complete opposite of what we're saying, and we were all right, Cool.
We know exactly who did not support.
Once all this is over with, we know exactly who is musically not gonna play with. All this is over.
We appreciate what you're saying now so that we know how to move forward, moving, moving on past all of this.
But I'm just before New Year goes because I know she got some words.
I'm not name on behalf of Kanye.
I do not know him personally.
I was not in their household when those decisions were being made.
But I can guarantee you this is one of the benefits we have of a Kardashian having babies with a black man.
Because Kim Kardashian is the reason why Kanye West donated that money because Kim Kardashian had black Children No, we are finally benefiting from the fact that people love to date our men and really are women.
It's our men and love the day our men.
And now that they have mixed babies and their kids are now viewed by society, you are black.
They now understand it.
It's now a little more scary when you got Northwest in Little Chicago and all, then walk around is black kids.
So it took us having mixed kids for Kanye to speak up, because I guarantee you, if this is before they have kids and before Kim and before Kanye, Kanye is silent.
But I do actually think celebrities need to speak up to be honest, because if I tweet something it might reach, you know if if it goes viral, maybe will reach 1000 people.
But if LeBron James or Kanye or Drew Brees, if they tweet something, it's reaching thousands millions of people.
So that is where I do hold them to a high stated.
If you're a Nath lead or an artist, people are supporting you.
They buy your tickets to your event, stay by your jersey.
They're ruined for you.
You know they're watching you on TV, you owe it to society to now.
Speak up, and you have people that are following you.
So, honestly, it's it's it is part of the job.
You need to speak up.
I know you got some words.
You know, um I know as mill and Renee said, You know, we do look to people with bigger platforms to be the voice for those who cannot maybe speak as loudly as you can.
And so I think I've actually been very disappointed by some of the black, you know, black artists and black actors and actresses.
How the way they are handling this situation.
And I think that, you know, people get to a certain level in their life and they feel as though, Well, I'm this person.
I mean, I'm not gonna throw no celebrity out there, but, you know, they think, Oh, I'm on TV.
I have this hit single, and I have done this, and I've done that.
It doesn't pertain to me on dso That's where the ignorance comes from.
Um, for instance, Trina.
I mean, come one completely just just straight.
Stupid it on your own people animals.
That's just, you know, And so I love T.
It's like, honestly, it's a bad thing.
Um, we do need more of our people speaking out with bigger platforms again, I've been kind of very disappointed to just to see how some people are handling it, but also it's giving us a sense, as black people you know, who may be on the smaller platform to see that.
Okay, I'm not listening your music anymore because the cancel culture it's powerful, very, very powerful.
Look at these D list celebrities.
Look how quickly they got themselves canceled.
So we live in a different world right now.
Where is just like you don't speak out for what's right or you don't say what's right.
There will be consequences.
And now we see how you are.
So it's black people we can't say.
Well, you know, Trina did say this, but there is no but we train assembles ignorant.
What training stables were all join our Kelly.
There you go because you canceled just like him, You know I'm saying or what's his name should make more very disappointed.
Rosa Parks should have took a cab.
Okay, let's think about it, guys.
So we really want some of these people with big black platforms speaking out.
That's the That's the question, like I think they have a responsibility.
But if you're not going to be educated as a black person speaking, you need to keep their mouth shut.
You don't have something nice to say.
Say nothing at all.
Where is that just thrown out the window? Because of ur and again at the end of the day, whatever you feel about Black on black crime and what goes on in the black communities, I'm 99% sure that the reason we are pro testing is not because of anything other than a modern armory, Briana Taylor and George Floyd.
And what do all three of them have in common there? They were killed in the last month.
We are arguing life or debt.
So to me, there's no straddling the fence.
There's no confusion.
There's nothing to be confused about.
This is not Trump versus Biden.
We're not arguing like political stances.
I I write people off for that, but I will write you off way harder for black lives.
matter, you could be a Republican, and I'm just, you know, I just won't be with you as much.
You won't be fully cancer.
You're on like a pause for life.
But you are fully cancelled if you do not understand the necessity to change the way that we are perceived in this country as a threat, as resisting as an animal as whatever else because of the fact that we're black, that is, to me.
There's something off on a human level, because if that's your child, if you're you know, a lot of these people have kids or they're married or that you know, whatever you have nieces, the nephews.
Would you be arguing the same thing? How do you know if that's your husband under a police officer's knee? If that's your brother going for a jog, getting gunned down never to come home again.
And that's your sister who's been working her butt off.
She thinks she's done for the day and breathed her last breaths because cops come busting in the door and riddled with bullets.
How would that make you feel? OK? Didn't think it was okay for you.
So why is it OK for that? That's the issue.
And it's ignorant and it's honestly disgusting.
Toe watch people that at the end of the day disagree with the fact that we're arguing toe be able to have the opportunity to live.
We're going to be able to live nothing else, but to live.
You know, Renee, we gotta think about the psychological standpoint to, you know, people come from nothing and they finally get money.
And again, they think that they're superior.
They think because I have this, I have that I have this luxury.
But you made a good point.
It could be your mom.
It could be your dad.
It could be your brother. Could be your sister could be your cousin.
It could be It could be your lover.
It could be in me body.
It does not matter who you are.
What's wrong is wrong.
And what's right is right and everything that's been happening.
The black people is simply wrong.
This stuff is being recorded.
It's being recorded.
So how can you fix your mouth to say, Well, they're looting Gucci.
Do you not know a good your energy.
Okay? Because you're here, Goat.
You don't care about us Guilty putting out black face of stuff.
Worry about a less you.
Yeah, but you're worried about people looting Gucci.
You wearing about people looting and again, looting is rock.
I am not saying that looting is rights, but what I'm saying is you all are mad about buildings that can be rebuilt.
Y'all are mad about big time of stores or franchises.
That's only paying their employees 12 to $15 an hour working them overtime.
No, that could easily rebuild.
Everything has been destroyed.
But can a life be taken back? No, no.
I'll take it a step further.
People are saying, Why are you Why are there so many people protest ing and there's a pandemic going on.
You're risking your life.
Every day I wake up, I'm risking my life.
You don't get it twisted.
And it's not just the racial thing.
Like I openly said that there are enough things in this world of you scared about.
I have cancer that's hereditary, my family and heart disease.
I'm a woman, so I have to be mindful when I'm walking by myself to make sure I'm on alert so nobody tries to do anything to me.
I'm black, so I had to be mine.
There's enough in this world to be mindful of and scary of that.
It's not just the fact that at the end of the day we are focused on a pandemic.
The pandemic is like the easiest of all the things we gotta battle.
They're not Hatred, death, illness of racism, ***ism on nothing this world.
Yes, In a sense, of course, the pandemic is risking your life.
But also it's risking your life not to protest for this to continue and for this cycle that we see of lives being lost.
And like you said, we're fortunate because they're being recorded.
But I think it was Will Smith or someone that said This is or maybe was chance.
I don't know who was.
This is not new.
It just now we're recording it like don't act like this.
Just started happening, always just popped up.
No, this has always been happening.
How many times did families have a loved one go out only to never return home and you have no idea what happened in them until they were someone saw them hanging from a tree.
You know, this is nothing new.
It's just that we now have social media.
We now have phones that people can quickly pull Adam Accord to capture it, to share it, to make someone a hashtag to make this go viral to make it go around.
Otherwise, it be the same as what it was in the past.
So it is very ignorant, a sense of like people want to act like, Oh, why are you so upset? Why are you so mad? Why are you pro testing during a pandemic? Because I wanna live So I'll take my chance with Kobe.
I'm tired of battling racism, though.
Yes, and and the truth is, we have to deal with this all the time.
Like whatever is caught on camera, that's just a fraction of what's really going on.
Whatever is reported is always just a fraction of what's really going on.
I want to close out on this and get you guys thoughts.
Um, it seems like every time a black person is killed.
So from Trey Von to Eric Garner, Sandra Bland, Briana Taylor.
We see social unrest.
We see protests.
Um, this one feels different.
Um, but do you think that we're going to see any short term change? No, Honestly, I'll say that.
I do think that with everything happening in Mass and it's going on, it should and is going to inspire more people to say, Obviously, you need to go out.
Vote right, But taking it a step further with those actions aside, just voting.
Don't just vote on the president.
What were your local local? Who's your mayor? Who is your ultimate? Who's your senator who's in the House of Reps for you? Make sure that your pain gets into all the things that they're doing and that we can shift our attention there now as terms off.
If things began to happen on a wide scale for change, I'm gonna say it like this.
It's all the people I talked to this week.
If it don't, this ain't gonna be nothing compares.
What's gonna happen after this, like an idiot, tops, get off of these creatures.
If Trump is re elected, say whatever you want to say right now, it's gonna be way worse.
I could not agree more.
I think you know Rodney King, You looking over the course of our history.
But the amount of times that police officers have gotten off charges or or just the person is not always police officers, you know, because Trayvon Martin, you know, it's sometimes it still neighborhood watch.
Um, what people get offer these charges.
We do see everyone's up in arms.
But if this if they do not, they're not found guilty.
There's gonna be problems like the world is gonna literally blow up.
But I think to your other point, Alex, about why this is, um, some much bigger to me looking at that video compared to what we see in the past in the past, when someone gets gunned down, you can.
There's no there's no making any excuses.
So let me just preface it with that.
But you can say you're just reacting.
You're scared, you shoot, you pull the trigger.
You didn't do it but to kneel on a man's neck for nine minutes and that if they had stopped at any point, he'd be alive any point.
But you had plenty of opportunity to stop to check his polls to put him in the cut card taken down the station like you're supposed to dio, you had plenty of opportunities for this result.
OK, you obviously were wrong.
You bust in the door, you shoot her.
But you know it's happened so quickly.
But I could see there's no turning back.
When a man is handcuffed on the ground, begging for his life, telling you we can't breathe, you're on his neck.
You're literally choking him.
You might as well put your hands around his neck.
You're literally choking or put a pillow on his face.
You're smothering him.
And at no time in that nine minutes does anyone say stop.
That is why you cannot argue this.
You can't say he looked like he was resisting.
You can't say he looked like he was a threat.
You cannot make any excuse for why this happened, so there's no way that anyone, because in the past they wanted to say, Oh, Amon are very was carrying a gun or whatever You want to make excuses.
There's no excuse for this, So if they get off and they're not found guilty, it's gonna be World War.
It's gonna be insane.
It's gonna be while it's gonna be pro Testing the world is literally gonna go crazy because this is murder.
They already put They didn't put their Children for first degree murder because they can't prove intent or whatever else he needs.
They all need to be charged.
And they need to be found guilty in jail.
No firing with pension in jail, like every other criminal that's ever murdered someone.
So they've been They better come.
Honestly, I'm scared to death on what will happen if they don't.
If any of them get off.
Near what do you think we enforce some change? Um, if we aren't Well, I'm gonna be positive and say we are in for change because this right here guys was a cultural shift.
This death, we say stuff hit different.
But is it different? Let me tell you why Number what? We're sitting in a pandemic so everybody has time to unplug and think.
There are 40 million people right now unemployed.
So everyday people have turned to protest.
Everyday people have time to hold people accountable at this point.
Now, as a black culture.
We cannot take our foot off of their necks.
We have to keep holding people accountable.
And now the world has realized the power of social media on our of this.
Now the power of our phones, how we can pull our owns out and record because guess what? Recordings don't lie right.
You almost don't lie.
Everything that you see is rial life.
So you have no choice but to make change now.
And if you don't, you know what's gonna be the river.
You know what's gonna be the consequences.
And that's when they said I'm scared to death because if we do not get justice is black people or change does not come.
It is going to be hail.
It's gonna be handled.
And I see these younger kids now like the even kids behind me, you know, they different.
You have kids going against their parents saying racism is wrong.
Kids going out the protest kids are They have the power of social media now, So that's where they get all their information from the Internets.
They see it's wrong.
So, yes, Do I see changes coming for sure? Will it happen in the next year.
No will happen the next two years.
There's gonna be a lot of different changes for sure, and a lot of a lot more people are going to be exposed.
I always say this 2020 has been the year of exposure.
There's so many people getting exposed for so many different things.
There's you can no longer high from racism.
If so, get off social media, don't have a job.
Don't be a everyday citizen that because you can't keep running from the situation anymore.
It needs to be squashed.
It needs to be done.
We need to have that tough conversation as a nation, and you all need to respect black people because we bring value to this world.
What if you want to say it or not? Because we all know the truth.
And we all know that this world no go around without us in our culture, culture in our hard work and what we've built for this country so changes definite.
It's a shift, and nothing is going to be the same after this.
There is no normal.
Everything is going to be different now, so it's gonna be a shift for sure.
Definitely, it would be different.
My kids are growing up, that's for sure.
Can I just add something that like I know we've been? We've been saying a lot of things and addressing all the elephants in the room? I will say it's time as we keep talking about for people to hold each other accountable.
You know, it's time to speak up, no more being uncomfortable.
Only 20 everybody keeps jokingly saying this was supposed in my year, But look all that happy, you know, this is our year.
It's a year for the world as a whole to turn a page and turn a corner and have these conversations that we should have been having years and centuries in the past.
So it is absolutely time for us to make change happen, and we all play a part of.
I'm terrified of protest ing.
I'm going to be completely honest.
I just I don't do well in those situation, but there's ways the protest.
You don't have to physically be out with us with a poster to protest.
You don't have to physically be out marching to make change happen, so find your way whatever it may be to make an impact because we have to celebrate the small victories and it's like a weight.
But like a small ripple effect.
You know, you everybody does a little something each day and eventually the way will catch on enough that will be able to make change happen and it will take time.
But we've got to keep moving forward like that, the king said.
Even if you're crawling walking, whatever it is, we got to continue moving forward towards change.
I agree it whatever you can contribute to the calls to impact, positive change, whether that's marching, donating money, whatever it ISS celebrities speaking out, using your platform, whatever it is, I think we all have something we can contribute.
And Melvin, you talk about voting.
Voting locally is key to a lot of change and we turn out big time for the presidential races and that's usually when everyone pays attention.
Um, I want I want to get people thinking I want to close on this because I talked to people who are Republican, but they say I don't I don't have any friends at voted for Trump.
I don't know who voted for Trump.
57% of white people voted for Trump.
57% of white people voted for Trump.
29% of Hispanics voted for Trump, and I'm thinking yob 29% of your voting for Trump.
26% of 26% of Asian Americans voted for Trump, and then 36% of non of other people of color voted for Trump.
And I'm just thinking I did you all just think that even come out the black folks or make things harder for us, like pay attention to what's going on your vote matters.
So regardless, if you believe in someone in their fiscal policy or or their criminal justice policies, they still may not be right.
You can't justify voting for somebody just because you agree with one or two things or even their entire platform and they're racist, they're ***ist, and the evidence is out there regardless.
If they've been convicted, then you have a responsibility to vote for somebody else.
So I did want to close on that.
I want to thank all three of you for jumping on here because this was such a positive conversation for me.
I genuinely enjoyed it.
Um, Melvin, please tell everybody how they can find you all your work.
Everything that you bring to the table.
Everybody you could find me.
I all across social media.
Somebody took meditated, killing yourselves like forget it to be able to find any month from my right for show every single Monday night here in New York, sketching broad comedy They do the acting that you writing that I do.
Um everything is on there.
Just type in Melbourne.
I you come across, you need a hug and everybody find you.
Ah, all social media at NEA on air It is near looking in.
Not I m in I on air.
Twitter Instagram search my own YouTube.
All that good stuff.
Alex, thank you for having us on.
And you get you guys come.
Definitely follow Amber Napi wash on Twitter in ap Washington on Facebook and Instagram.
I'm also on YouTube and my show Beyond the headlines with Renee Washington and my new show redefining us.
We get until all these topics as well.
So we gotta keep the conversation going.
Weaken dio I love to see it.
Well said, everybody watching or everyone that will listen.
Please follow these intelligent, bright creatives out there.
They're making change, and we all hope to impact positive change.
So if you're watching this, you know who I am.
You know how to find me.
So until next time, folks, I'm out.