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So today, a certain head coach of a certain 40 Niners team went out and said something rather interesting.
Uh, Kyle Shay said, Well, when you talk about Jimmy, people are the best quarterbacks of all time of all time being available.
I I know Jimmy has that goal in mind to be that I know Jimmy, I believe Jimmy has the ability to be that, and that's what both of us are going for.
If we can get him there and he proved and he has the ability to do it, we're gonna be pretty happy with who we have for a long time now, greatest of all time, you know, in the conversation of Greatest to me, that's a little early, but I mean, he has a couple stats that kind of go in his favour a little bit, right? I mean, 69% completion percentage on his first full season. Nice.
That's that's pretty solid, right? Uh, was eight point or I think you're exper attempt, not completions per attempt.
That's not shabby, either, but, I mean, we have to admit his portfolio that we have to go through the bullet through the look and see what he's doing right now.
Uh, it's not full enoughto really put him in that conversation, in my opinion, even begin to put him in that conversation.
Now, is that every quarterbacks goal to be, you know, on that list of greatest of all time? Obviously.
Obviously, you don't play the game to be mediocre, right, Joe? What are your thoughts on this? All right, here we go.
Now, I have a whole argument set up and ready just for this one.
Because, ladies and gentlemen, I know that Ray loves Jimmy G.
So I expect him to have, you know, nothing but disdain for the words that are about to come out of my mouth. But that's what we do.
This why we're here.
I don't think Jimmy G has what it takes to be the goats, right? I think that he I mean, I don't think he's a bad quarterback.
Let me just put that out there, okay? I'm not saying that he's a bad quarterback.
I just think that he gets elevated by the team around him, Right? Let me Let me, Let me give you some examples.
Okay? Last year, going back to last year, only three losses in the regular season.
Pretty impressive, right? 13 and three.
I think everybody would agree.
The 40 Niners are a great team there.
Three losses were number one against Seattle at home.
I think everybody watched that game one of the most exciting games from last seat last season against the Seahawks and the CIA.
Seahawks won in San Francisco, and there were plenty of times, and you can't tell me there weren't that Jimmy G could have came out on top in that game, and he did not.
He threw an interception in overtime, which allowed Russell Wilson to come back.
And then they won that game lost in Baltimore.
Obviously, the Ravens are a good team.
I am a Ravens fan, but again, Jimmy G had opportunities to win that game.
It was only a three point game.
You know that Jimmy G had a chance to put us away and he did it.
Lamar was better that day.
Then they lost the Falcons.
You can say it's a late season loss, if that's what, you want, to count it, too.
But the fact of the matter is they still lost to the Falcons, which put them in the position that they needed to beat the Seattle Seahawks and Week 17 to get the first seat.
If they had beaten the Falcons, they wouldn't have had to worry about that.
And guess what? Jimmy G was not very good in that game.
They were one yard away, one yard away.
I'm sure you guys remember in week 17 40 Niners Seahawks one yard away from the Seahawks, getting the first seed in the NFC, and for San Friend having to go to Philly as the fifth seed, the road would have been a lot tougher.
Maybe they wouldn't have been to the Super Bowl.
They would have had to go to Philly and say they would have gotten past that.
They would have had to go to Green Bay, which again they did end up beating them in the NFC championship game.
But then they would have had to go to Seattle, provided that Seattle would have beaten the Vikings, which, I think you know, is fair to say they might not have even been in the Super Bowl of that case.
Then let's break down his stats in the playoffs versus the Vikings.
11 for 19 131 yards.
One touchdown, one pick carried by the running game versus the Packers.
Six for eight, six for eight for 77 yards carried by the running game, 200 rushing yards from the 40 Niners.
And that defense versus the Chiefs.
20 for 31 219 yards, one touchdown, two interceptions.
They were up by 10 in the fourth quarter.
Jimmy G could have put it away with a long bumps. Emmanuel Sanders.
He overthrew him.
You know, I know a lot of people want to put the blame on Kyle Shanahan for losing that Super Bowl for not running the ball, but Jimmy G had opportunity to win them that game, and he did not.
I have a lot of arguments, but it's a lot of balls for a guy who hails Lamar Jackson as the greatest about past attempts.
When Lamar Jackson came dead last in the NFL in pass attempts this season, dead last did.
He hails Lamar Jackson like he's the goat of the NFL.
Right? Dead last on that.
Let me tell you why, Jimmy.
You're not gonna hail Jimmy Garoppolo the greatest of all time after one full season.
Did anybody hailed Tom Brady after his first full season? With, by the way, did end up in a Super Bowl as well.
Except the Patriots won that, um, with his comeback.
Let me tell you what it really impressed me about Jimmy Garoppolo his numbers, and I will compare them to ah other the great quarterbacks in the NFL.
Let's look at Lamar Jackson, Jimmy Garoppolo under pressure.
That means, you know, pocket collapsing in this.
And that is ranked the second best second best completion percentage in the NFL under pressure, these seventh best completion percentage in a clean pocket compared to somebody like again, the great Lamar Jackson, whose number? 19 wonder pressure Right again, you throw stats at me, I'm gonna throw them right back at you the other way, because again, what happens is and this happens a lot and I'm not an animal, and it ****es me off, Joe that I have to knock Lamar Jackson.
I need to make that very clear right now because I love Lamar, but I already knew your argument coming into this. That's funny.
You should have told me where you're going before we started because the first thing I did was compared Jimmy Garoppolo and Lamar Jackson's ****ytics to make my arguments.
I knew you were gonna infuriate me, and I wanted to infuriate you right back.
All right, that's what we do.
Now, If I was gonna say, Am I concerned about Jimmy Garoppolo? Ah, when it comes to injuries because he the start his career, he had a lot.
Ah, he came to when he took over for Tom Brady, he could have played four games.
The Patriots probably would have went for, and so they only went to a no cause.
He was injured in the second game against the Miami Dolphins, didn't get to show a lot.
Then he goes five and oh to start in San Francisco, then gets injured the next season and then comes back in.
They lose three games and Joe's acting like the team went 10 and five and barely snuck into the playoffs and had one less they had one more loss than the Ravens this year, and I mean, look, it's again.
I can't say the kid, every quarterback.
If you're not striving to be the best in the league, then you shouldn't be playing quarterback in the NFL.
I mean, if you just sit there and say, Hey, I want to be an average mediocre quarterback, then you're you're in the wrong place.
I think that what you seen with Jimmy Garoppolo did he have a great defense? Yes.
Did he have a great run game in the playoffs? They did, and I did watch the game against Seattle.
I sat there and watched the entire game and watched him throw almost two interceptions.
I coined him jittery G On that day, I upset a lot of San Francisco 49 fans.
I also watch Jimmy Garoppolo win games this season.
I also watched Jimmy Garoppolo put the team on his back and win games this season, and it's really easy to pinpoint games and say, Well, look at this game, Look at that game.
Look at this game because I could turn around and say, Well, look how the Cleveland Browns just smacked around the Baltimore Ravens smacked around Lamar Jackson.
I don't know how that team went 14 into.
It can happen on any given day.
I watched the Miami Dolphins and Tennessee Titans on back to back weeks, beat the New England Patriots.
You know, it's eso I don't I don't look at stuff.
I've seen Tom Brady throw bad interceptions, lose games.
I saw Peyton Manning in his prime throw an interception to lose a game.
Um, again, does he have potential to be the greatest of all time? Yeah, and I think there's 10 guys in the league that have potential to possibly get to that status.
But one thing that I think when we talk about the greatest of all time that we need to remember is it's not just the quarterback on the field.
It's also the cast around him, and that doesn't matter who you are.
Montana had Rice.
Peyton had Harrison.
You mean? Um, Brady had Moss for a bit.
Then he had Edelman, who stepped up into it, my homes.
Whether Houston's won't admit or not have Tyreek Hill and Sammy Walk ins and Travis, Kelsey, Brady and Gronk, I forgot to mention Gronk.
You know you've always had.
Breeze hasn't had that steady receiver, but he's always had Steve.
He's always had good receivers around him.
Everybody in that conversation and I will argue.
Except for Aaron, Rodgers normally is going forward with weapons around them and the only way to kind of get that go.
And there's ways to get into that goat conversation.
You have to win championships, which is a team thing, but you have to win championships more than one.
I don't think hurts you right, because I mean at the end of the day, if, say, I can't say my homes anymore but will use Lamar and I'm just using the Mars.
An example isn't taking This isn't me fighting Joe anymore.
But if Lamar never goes to a Super Bowl and Jimmy dead, technically, Jimmy went to three, but one as, ah, as a starter, you know, I could turn around and say, Well, it was great as Lamar Jack, you know, the paint always had that right.
While paints a great regular season quarterback until he finally one is Super Bowl.
Then it kind of disip it ate it a little bit.
Unfortunately, he didn't do well enough or his team didn't do well enough in the playoffs, too.
You know, he kind of Brady's kind of started running away with it, sort of later in their twilight of their careers.
But no, Jimmy Garoppolo had bad moments last year as his first year as a starter, which, you know you almost look at.
That is his true rookie year, playing his first full 16 game, you know, season as an old rookie.
But I think he has the potential to one day I and look, right now, I don't have Jimmy Garoppolo the top 10 in the NFL, so don't get me wrong.
I'm not delusional to Jimmy G, but I think he has the potential to move into that top 10.
And I think that, you know, with a little bit of lock in a little bit of coaching and a little bit of you know, things around them.
I mean, it's, you know, I understand that you know, Brady's legacy is some of it is based on a Malcolm Butler interception, and you mean a Dante Hire Tom, Donta Hightower, Strip sack and, ah, you know wide right field goal even though they lost that Super Bowl.
There's certain things that have happened to get in.
And Peyton had those breaks down the line to when he was with Denver.
It was a missed extra point.
You would, I mean, which which put Denver and by a point who knows what happens when they go to overtime.
But I also don't like, you know, dealing with what s because What if did that, right? So, um, no, I can't look at three games and say that I don't see him.
I got two points.
I want to build on a little bit about what you said about getting to the champion difference between getting to the championship and winning it.
Getting to the championship and winning it is the difference between being listed in top five and being listed in Top 20.
For instance, the difference between Jim Kelly and Joe Montana, right? I mean, Joe Montana went to 414 Jim Kelly went to four, lost four.
You don't talk about him in the same sentence.
It's true, the and and that's the ignorance of these lists, right, because you know you also have 25 year olds who never watched Jim Kelly play or Dan Marino play you.
What I mean, who are making assessments based off a championships.
Like when I have a 14 year old argument me that Joe Montana is the best of all time on this.
Like, sit down, son, Because because to me, to me, I have Peyton ahead of Montana.
You know what I mean? Like, to me, Payton has always been, but I watch Peyton.
Montana was sort of when I just start, you know, I was like, five when I was watching Joe Montana.
I grew up in the Peyton Mayor, the Peyton Brady era, you know, the Manning Brady era.
So that's why Manning sits on my list.
Which again, why is the you know is Brady.
The greatest Alzheimer's is the most accomplished of all time, obviously, is a Patriots fan.
I'm gonna argue the greatest of all time, but I can see the argument of he's the most accomplished of all time, not the greatest.
So So where is ah Joe Flacco on your list? Just Joey.
You don't want to know Geo anyway, and he's sitting there with the Tampa Bay quarterback which want a championship.
You sitting right around.
You know what is ahead of Trent Dilfer? Helper ahead of Trent Dilfer.
Is that better? Not really.
But anyway, no, you're way ahead a trend bill, for I have my 2nd 2nd thing going to talk about all right, so and I am almost lost track of what I was going to say.
Actually, Um, yes.
Now I remember Quarterback is a position where rhythm is incredibly, incredibly important.
You have to find a rhythm at quarterback, and you have to sustain that rhythm.
And the only way to keep that rhythm is to continually throw the football.
When you are a quarterback on a team that is a run first team like, say, indie like, say, Baltimore like, say, the Niners run first team, there's going to be games where you're gonna throw it eight times 10 times 15 times a game.
And those numbers, most generally are either going to be really, really good because I'm not expecting the past or really, really bad, because your rhythm is way off with your receivers, you know, because you're really cold.
So that's a situation.
You have to kind of look at.
I think that's a situation that is really good hurt could.
I'm not going to say will, but it could hurt him long term on that team.
If something like that continues, you know if he continually has a bunch of games before his throwing less than 20 times a game, so then I guess the argument that would come out is, Are they a running team because Jimmy Garoppolo can't get the job done? Or did they possibly go to run over? Because the San Francisco 40 Niners had the second most drops in the NFL last season, where they couldn't trust the receivers to catch the ball, They also had the second best rushing game in the NFL.
But when you run the ball a lot, that's what happens.
Um, well, Jenna and Skin 30 37 drops.
5 drops per game of clean past drops.
I mean, so there comes a point to where it's not even just putting it in your quarterbacks hand.
It's like Man, I can't put it in my receiver's hands and when you have a running game that works that well Ah, because you had that offensive line because you have George Kittel, who's just Ah, Swiss Army knife of tight end.
You know what I mean? You got to go.
And so I think that all goes down to your rhythm thing.
It's not just being a running team.
Then when he's throwing the ball, guys air, dropping the passes or oh, well, he's always good of you remembered.
Or at least this entire offseason until the season actually starts until week one Garoppolo.
Everyone will be etched in everyone's mind the overthrow to Samuel's right there towards the end zone at the end of the Super Bowl.
Which is ridiculous because I saw Tom Brady do that 15 times this season to Josh Corn and fill it or set.
You mean like you get that? Yeah, at least 15 times.
Okay, but wouldn't you agree that Tom Brady would make that throw when the chips are on the table when the game is on the line? What a clutch players do what a goats do.
They make that play right? I watched the pages won a Super Bowl by scoring 13 points.
You know what I mean? So yeah, it happens.
But again, again, it's things have toe happen around you.
You can't put that Super Bowl on one play.
You what I mean and that's the thing.
And I've heard that argument a 1,000,000 times.
Well, he missed Sanders down the field.
You're putting that whole entire.
It's like putting the entire it's like the Chiefs put the entire, uh, losing to the Patriots on a roughing the passer penalty.
No, the Patriots with, like, 10 for 10 on third downs against you.
You mean like they went like eight for eight on third and and 10 or longer? You know it's not one play.
If one plate dictates your game, a whole lot of other things went wrong and people are ignoring it.
What's kind of funny that you say that? Because if a kicker misses a field goal in the team loses by two points.
Everyone in the entire world is blaming that kid up for that loss.
I blame that kicker in the heat of the moment.
You mean just like I would've probably of other City of San 40 Niners fan in the heat of moment would have went.
Jimmy G cost us that game by missing Sanders.
You what I mean.
But when I could take a breath like I think back that 2015 a f c championship game.
When when the Patriots lost the Broncos by one point, right, Kostovski missed an extra point.
The Patriots lose by one point.
They can't score the two point conversion.
And if you go on my you tube page and hear me talk about Stephen Gostkowski, read the comments, people will go back to that game.
Okay, by the next.
Know, by the end of the game, when it was over, I was watching with another body minus page friends goes, Do you blame Kostovski? And I said he missed the extra point on the first score at the first drive of the game.
How can you blame the kicker that the team left it to scoring with two seconds left in the game? Right? Like the game against the Broncos, right? Yeah, you can do it.
You know, if you know you think about the Ravens wide right, it's so easy to blame your kicker.
But if bloody holds onto the ball in the end zone, you're not even you're not even kicking a field goal.
Right? Well, you said he did catch it.
It's just what he did.
But it Or if you get the call if you get the call because you he did catch it. He was obviously caught.
He got wanted after he crossed the line of scrimmage.
It was a touchdown, but it worked for me.
So I don't care what I go.
I wanted to go back to that whole goat thing.
I think the problem now is that you know your people, Ray your And when I say your people, I mean, the Patriots fans will never like there could be someone that win to three Super Bowls in a row.
They will not hear it.
They will not hear it because they did not win six Super Bowls.
It's always gonna be open.
Tom Brady has six Super Bowls.
No one is ever gonna be the goat.
I think back when he had four Super Bowls, you would hear more.
Oh, no, it's Joe Montana.
It's Joe Montana.
But I think you know, similar to a bunch of other people once they saw, you know, the Super Bowl against the Falcons.
That's when pretty much everybody agreed, you know, But you have to remember it wasn't just Tom Brady that brought him back from that 28 the three that everybody's gonna remember.
That's what behind them.
But New England's defense stepped up big time in that second half.
They did, and I always say that it was Donte Hightower Strip sack.
The Patriots scored a touchdown.
Kostovski missed an extra point.
And I'll tell you guys a funny antidote about that game.
So I'm over here.
My boy, Sean, like my best friend in the world, is here, and my wife were all watching the game and the Patriots score and the early in the fourth quarter and making her late in the third quarter.
Make it 28 to 9, and Kostovski misses the extra point.
And I do this big dramatic laugh and I walk outside and I'm having a cigarette and I tell my wife, I'm like it's ruined my Super Bowl experience, like even if they lose like I always think about the next year when they lost to the Eagles, it hurt when they lost.
But that was one of the best super bowls ever watched is the back and forth, back and forth, right? So I could acknowledge was a great game.
I'm like, This is even a good game.
They're just getting their ass kicked.
I come inside, Mr Hightower, Strip sack.
My body's telling me about it.
And now the Patriots got the ball at the fifth at the 20 yard line, and there's a whole quarter to play.
There's a chance if if the Falcons move that ball on that strip sack doesn't happen, The Patriots never come back.
But I'll put an even bigger one on you.
And you know, Joe, I think for a lot of people with the Patriot, fans will say 666 It's a lot of the younger Patriot fans to, because if you wanna came to me in 2000 and five and said, Hey, Tom Brady, 13 is he the goat? And I'd say no.
Teddy Bruschi and Willie McGuinness and Rodney Harrison and Ty Law.
Those air the goats.
We had the best.
We've the most lock down defense in the NFL for three years, and that was a time when defense could actually win Super Bowls you what I mean and which was kind of fitting that Brady's last Super Bowl win was all on the defense.
That's how we won his 1st 3 right? And look.
He had his moments.
He had his moments against the Rams with two minutes left on the 20 yard line.
He gets him in field goal range.
Absolutely, He had his, you know, starting, you know, elite quarterback moments.
But the way they got to a lot of those places that this offense, you know, the Brady offense that didn't really come around till 2007 when they got Randy Marsh.
Those 1st 3 championships was defense.
And if you ask me, my top 10 favorite players on those 1st 3 Tom Bradys number 10 and that's not because I don't like Brady, it's because we had so many good defensive players on that team and we have Corey Dillon.
I was getting ready to say, I think you're forgetting Dylan.
Yeah, Helen, whose career was over and all of a sudden he rejuvenates and runs like 1200 yards, right? Like there was so many s so many young done.
Before we had old Ben Watson this year, like there was so many good players on that team.
Brady was a piece of that puzzle.
By the time we got to 2014 Brady was.
Its heat was That was the man and you built the team around.
Brady don't. So there.
That was Bledsoe's team that won those Super Bowls.
So we're really There's a lot of very similar comparisons to that early Patriots running team defense run game.
And just having a quarterback that is able toe basically gain manage right at the time.
A lot of comparisons to this nine erstein and you know how Garoppolo is asked to play as well, right? So I think that's why that this question is came up.
Does he have the tools? Just Garoppolo had the tools, long term, to be considered, a guy who could put a team on his back when it weighs, needed to like, you know, like those couple years where Brady was just lightened the scoreboards that, like Peyton Manning, broke some records.
Then all of a sudden, you know Tom Brady's like, I'm not having that, you know.
That's basically why it's what seemed like to me.
And of course, it seemed like that to me. I was Cold span.
Uh, but I think I think Ma homes is the one that's more on a goat trajectory than Jimmy G.
I mean, I understand Kyle Shanahan wants to speak highly of this quarterback.
I understand that.
But clearly it doesn't.
He says one thing, But then, when it actually comes to, you know when it matters, I don't think he has that faith in Jimmy G.
I gotta be honest.
Um, but Mahomes, I mean, M v p in his first year.
And I hate to talk up the homes because, you know, Chiefs fans, I ate Chiefs fans M v p in his first starting season Super Bowl the next year.
I'm just saying, I think my homes has more of that argument than Jimmy G does. Right now.
I have a question.
But I was so glad, Good.
What was more, Holmes's record last year without Tyree killin the game, not sure lay down the law laid down the law.
Florence later what Sammy Watkins played out of his head, though, when when Tyreke was out.
So but I'm pretty sure he lost three games without Tyreek Hill there.
And how many games did they lose last year? It was because they didn't lose through his injury.
Either They won with Matt Moore, But but But what? In fairness, Patrick Mahomes a stud.
You really mean? Like, yeah, and And yeah, you know, if you're going to say to me, Ray, who has the best chance of being the greatest of all time, I would How can I not say Patrick Mahomes? Oh, yeah.
Even with Tom, Brady is still in the league again, though the goat argument is subjective to me, right? I mean, I've made arguments.
Why, Johnny Night? This was the greatest of all time, and I have listened to Dolphin fans explain to me why Dan Marino is the graves of all time and have at least understood their argument.
I told them why what they're missing and it ought unfortunately, is the rings You what? I mean, but, you know, I put him really in the air, you know, cause I I agree with Max Kellerman, and I don't agree with Max Kellerman very often, but I believe that there is the goat.
And then there's the boat.
You mean there's the graves of all time, which is the most accomplished, your watch and Brady's very clutch and comes through.
And we needed to see that out of the homes.
And he did that in the Super Bowl.
He had his goat moment.
You mean he had his clutch moment when they were down, brought them back.
But to me, the best of all time, at least right now and again Mahomes could take this over is Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers is disgustingly fun toe watch, play football and play the game a quarterback.
But you could convince me otherwise with Dan Marino, cause I watched Marino play, and he reminded me very much of Aaron Rodgers Ah, quarterback who didn't have a whole lot of weapons around him but somehow made it work.
What's the difference between the two, though? A little bit of bling on on Aaron Rodgers finger.
None on Marie Marino has a Super Bowl loss, right? Well, the argument for United says, look what he did and accomplished in an era where passing wasn't the thing right, and that passing really didn't start bitten into like light seventies.
You know, when you they started having big time receivers and they started throwing the ball down, feel a little bit more.
Johnny U was throwing the football and and winning games and championships with his arm back in a day where, you know, it was legitimately games were generally won in the trenches, period.
You know, it was a run.
Run, pass, league, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run, pass, kick.
That was basically the league back then.
Yeah, so I mean, there is an argument for that because he was well ahead of his time and accomplished quite a bit.
I'm not saying he is the greatest of all time.
I'm I'm just saying that there's an argument for it you get.
And again, I think that look, I'm always like, uh, again, it's so subjective.
People my age are gonna lean towards one generation of quarterbacks, you know? You know, being that 33 Mark, it's really the main.
The Manning Brady Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees argument.
Those are the four guys I look at, you know, uh, my generation Lawrence, 44 your generation not maybe you but your generation.
You're more looking more than Montana's to Steve Young's going.
I mean, it's that the Marinos, the Elway's the A commends its that generation.
And then, you know, the older guys like my dad in there, you know, late 50 sixties.
There are spy the way, guys, if I could just a shut out to my old man fell off a ladder at work today, Brokenness heal in, like, six different places has to go for surgery.
So just both Are they both my parents.
You guys are in my prayers there.
They're doing okay.
Now, though, I want to give a shout out to my old man, but, you know, he you know, you start talking to my dad.
He's not just talking about Montana at, um in San Francisco.
He'll sit down and tell me all about the Notre Dame game, and that's what he really you know, the comeback game.
And he's like, I sat there body and I told everybody this Montana kids gonna be a great guy.
And I realized all my dad was because he actually referred to Montana as a kid at one point, you know what I mean? And ah, and what? But so we're all gonna have that different subjective piece.
You know what? You know how many championships of the Packers have? How many do they really have in the NFL? Like how many? Those were actually Super Bowls.
You what? I mean, um, you know, look, and it's funny, because when we talk about accomplishments, Terry Bradshaw never gets put in the conversation.
You know he's a four time Super Bowl champion.
It is the 1st 4 time Super Bowl champion, but it's always the Steel Curtain.
We have gotten into a generation now, where teams quarterback success is based solely on the quarterback, even if it's not the quarterbacks fault.
You know, if you go back to Super Bowl 52 against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Were Tom Brady set Super Bowl records for yards and points and are not points but yards and completions and this and that, and they lost, like 52 to 47 or something.
I think, like 42 to 37 are you going to turn around and say the quarterback was the problem in that game? You know, the game for the defense and you could talk about the strip sack. It's fine again.
One play doesn't dictate the whole game that the defense makes to stop the game.
I wanted to ask you about the whole I'm curious about this.
Is the Malcolm Butler benching? Do you think there's because I know Skip Bayless likes to always say Bill Belichick, Bench Malcolm Butler.
Did you know toe, have Brady loses super or just some stupid argument? Do you think there's any merit to that? Bill Belichick has just a big ego is Tom Brady and their Eagles air? Almost his biggest skip Bayless is, um, it's a nice It's a cute thought, and it's fun to talk about.
It's a fun conspiracy theory, you know? I mean, just like, you know, um, how how how, uh, George Bush was, actually, you know, meeting with the banks and I mean, like, they're fun things to talk about.
But Bill about *** ego is too big toe lose a Super Bowl, you know what I mean? And I will make the argument.
Malcolm Butler doesn't make that much of a difference in that Super Bowl.
Like it wasn't just our cornerbacks getting beat.
Every we had to deal with the Philly special, we couldn't stop in our P o.
I mean, they killed If Nick Foles killed us with our pios that's on the linebackers and the for That's the front seven.
That has nothing to do with the cornerbacks.
Um, we got burned by, ah, touchdown that it wasn't a touchdown before the Super Bowl, but the change, the rule for the Super Bowl and now it was a touchdown.
And again, I'm not blaming it on that play there again.
I can never look at one plane.
Say, that's the problem.
That's the problem. That's the problem.
The defense sucked in general, if he would have bet and all.
I'm gonna throw it out there.
Know Dante Hightower.
He was out injured for the season.
Um, Trey Flowers was playing beat up.
But if you look at that Patriots defense with and without Dante High Tower like he's like there, spiritual leader on the field, you what I mean and that defense is a completely different defense when he's not playing.
And we saw that whole season Tom Brady deserved the M V p that year because because you won't give it to anybody else but a quarterback.
You mean um or unless it's a defensive player, but an offensive player, it's always gonna be a quarterback.
He deserved it because the defense did nothing.
I think they're ranked almost dead last that season, and it was the offense.
They basically just outscored every team that they played.
That was also one of Bronx past years.
You what? I mean, they had no Adelman that season, but I want to make a difference anyway.
They put up enough points.
The defense sucked, so you can't put it all down to one play or blame Brady for the Super Bowl loss.
It's the defense's fault, but the same time you can't credit Brady for Super Bowl 53 when in Julian Edelman M v P when that should have been high Tower Van Neuer stuff on Gilmore, who was the M V p of that game? And if anybody turns around and says, Oh, Brady, one of six Super Bowl, I say no, the defense one.
Brady has six Super Bowl, very much like the Broncos defense.
One man in his Super Bowl Now and just wrap it all up.
Ego is way too big to bench a guy just the punish Tom Brady.
Do you get the Reflects on him? He knows a loss reflects on him.
What? Why did he bench him? Do you know the reason the rumors that float around there's been two different rumors and I got to give, like, you know, props to Malcolm Butler because the guys who left the team that season, Dion, Lewis and Amendola they left talking a lot of smack about Belichick and the team.
And Malcolm Butler is a hero for the Patriot fans over the interception.
He left with a lot of class and has done nothing but compliment that team.
But I also think to when you're in undrafted free agent, you understand I'm getting the big paycheck because of that man who might, um, nobody said anything.
The to rumors that are rolling around are the one that makes the they both actually makes sense.
Apparently, there was an incident throughout the week, and Malcolm Butler something about he wasn't feeling well and he was skipping practices and scare skipping meetings was practicing.
But going home and skipping meetings and not telling coaches and and balletic just basically, you said, Well, if you don't want to practice.
You don't wanna prepare, you're not gonna play the game.
The second reason I heard Waas that that was just a game plan.
All week, the McCourty brothers came out and said throughout the entire week, Malcolm Butler wasn't a part of the game plan.
They felt that the other guys matched up better against the Eagles.
And don't forget everybody thinks the Malcolm Butler 2014 or 2014 15 16 2017 was Malcolm Butler's worst season like he had an awful 2017.
Um, he was getting.
He was getting beat like crazy.
Um, and I think that Belichick already saw that coming.
That's why he gave the big money to Stefan Gilmore and and decided to walk away from from Bill Butler the next year.
So that's the two things I've heard about why he wasn't played.
I'm gonna start a tangent because we talked a lot about the New England Patriots.
Um, but no, seriously.
Earlier you said that you know, Tom Brady got M V P because you know, had to go to an all offensive player.
And if it's an offensive player, it goes so quarterback.
And that started making me thinking Who's the last player? Not a quarterback to be an M v. P.
Was it a P? That sounds right.
I don't even remember the last time I was in the court that he was a piece.
I think it was a P.
I don't agree with it, by the way, Lords.
I just know that's how it works.
So I know, I know.
But I have a question with bigger out elegance.
That's what I thought.
Yeah, AP eight years ago, a non quarterback got M V P.
That was an offensive player.
And before that, it was lt in 2006.
Now, if an offensive player was to get M v P this upcoming 2020 season and it was not to be a quarterback, who do you think has the best shot? Mm.
That's a good question.
Do you already have somebody in mind? That's what gives us the question.
No, How May know.
Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
Lay down the law.
Cuba. Sure I have mine, but give me yours first.
I think that if he even comes close to duplicating what he did last year, I think I think Christian McCaffrey would have a serious, serious shot they would have to win, though they would have to win.
Yes, yes, yes, if they won games if they even got into the playoffs, all they have to do is get into the playoffs.
Hit that seven seed.
And CMC gets even close to what he had last year or the year before.
Frankly, the last two years he's been just absolutely phenomenal when one man wrecking crew, let me let me throw out another one for you guys.
This is a little little crazier, maybe, but if he can play like he was playing towards the end of the season and the playoffs, if he can dominate like he did Derrick Henry, you guys don't think he could run for, like, 2000 yards easy if he plays at the same level that he was playing in the playoffs.
But the problem the problem with Derrick Henry is he would completely get shut down some games.
My mean, like 13 carries for 30 yards.
You know, there are some teams out there that know how to handle Derrick Henry and honestly can't city chiefs right cancer, and she's owned him in the in the championship.
But the honest, the best way of taking down a guy like him is Don't take him up high.
Dive that his legs every stinking time because he will run you, he will take you and turn you around and push you away.
I mean, that's just how he works.
He's too big to take on.
Even if you're a defensive lineman, you still wrap up, you know, mid waist or something.
Don't try to take him up high because he's the same stinking size you are.
And he runs with the football for a living.
But yeah, they're right. Trade.
Yeah, I am, Obviously, Yes.
I mean, come on, man, if he averages Ah, 120 yards a game.
If he gets 2000 yards of season just rushing.
He's got a shot, but I don't think it's gonna happen because I think there.
I think Derrick Henry place really good to get certain teams that he please.
Uh, not so great against others.
So I'm not going to go the running back route.
Um, even though if it wasn't a quarterback, it probably would be.
Ah, but I'm gonna you know, when I think of, but I got to set it up.
Otherwise, you guys gonna laugh in me.
So let me set it up, okay? Matthew Stafford.
No, no, uh, to be the way did say non quarterback Couto to be an M v p of to do something special, right? We saw Lamar Jackson do it last year.
We saw Patrick Mahomes year before, and you know Brady again.
Kind of leads a ragtag offense. Does some special.
What if a guy went to an organization and took a team that was just losers perennial and turn them around like, What if? DeAndre Hopkins goes to Arizona, 1200 yards, 30.
Zero Demeanor are not 30 but 20 touchdowns.
Um, and actually bring, you know, that's the piece to bring them to the Promised land.
Could he be considered an M V.
P. It needed a wide receiver.
Got 20 touchdowns, even 20 touchdowns for a wide receiver Is freaking out? Yeah, you know, out there.
So I actually think would have a better chance if we're talking receivers to be an M v p.
Not because I think He's the best receiver in the league, but he's gonna get Fed.
That's what he does. He gets Fed.
He could very well get 20 touchdowns If Drew Brees is just like, let me just toss it up to you in the end zone every single time.
Well, I mean, he just broke Marvin Harrison's record last year that a lot of people didn't think was ever going to get broke.
Yeah, so the last wide receiver that probably should have won the M v p was Antonio Brown back in 2014 right, 16 almost 1700 yards, 13 touchdowns, maybe 20 touchdowns.
Crazy, let's say, 10 touchdowns for DeAndre.
Hopkins, right? But 1617 100 yards, 13 touchdowns.
His YAC yards were unbelievable.
Even rushed the ball a few times.
You know, it's and I just don't understand why the NFL can't acknowledge a wide receiver is being the most valuable player in the NFL.
Was there ever a receiver to be named? They're very dependent, you know.
I think that I don't even know, uh, Jerry Rice was ever named something and there was a player, in my opinion, that would deserve something like that.
It be Julio because I think he's the best player on that team offensively by far, by by far away.
And that's the piece, right? The M V P is supposed to be the most valuable player.
That means he was the most valuable player on his team.
And if you put him on any other team, he would have been the most valuable player on that team.
How about How about a 1982 where Mark Moseley was the M v P? You guys know who that is? The kicker for the Redskins? Yeah, he was the last special teams.
M v P right? Yep, Way two ways.
Didn't mostly play two ways you might have.
I think it was like a quarterback, too.
But he was known as a kicker. He did.
I I could be wrong.
I say a lot of wrong things.
A place kicker playing good of you to admit that.
Yeah, he played.
I thought he did multiple things in his career.
He might have because I'm looking at the numbers in his M V P season and they're not very impressive, so I don't know he might have you know, done double duty.
I'm just I'm looking at this list of CNN, and I see pretty much only running backs or quarterbacks.
You know, I don't see a TC.
82 is also a short season to the right.
Wasn't the strike here, right? He was responsible for 76 points.
Had a 92 point in 95.
No, maybe Just kicked.
You begin the second place kicker ever to win the most valuable player.
You know, I love when you click over on Wikipedia.
The picture of Peyton Manning of ah, for Most Valuable Player.
With all six of them that he's got.
Looks speaking to Terry Bradshaw.
So did you know the next season, though, he led the league with 161 points in 1983? Well, mostly, mostly.
Yeah, And then you wonder who won that one.
Quarterback Joe Theismann for the Heisman.
Yeah, So you gotta get out by his own quarterback.
I think that was back when Riggins was running for him.
Wouldn't John Riggins? I was born in 86.
So you're really tested my foot.
I'm sorry I wasn't even born there.
There's a fullback, Jim Tate.
I'm trying to see if there's any, but I'm already back in the 50.
So So I mean, it's always quarterbacks and running backs, and I think that you look at teams like I mean, what kind of receivers? Putting up 1700 receiving yards.
You're not just relying on your quarterback, your quarterback relying more on you than your relying on your quarterback.
You mean to get those kind of yards.
So it's, I don't know, like, to me, honest to God, it's when I'm arguing with the chief fan.
I will use Tom Brady's MVP's and all that kind of stuff in my argument.
But I think it's the late even as I'm saying that.
I think it's the Lay missed argument in the world, especially Super Bowl MVPs.
They're the most useless award handed out on the planet.
It I think that if Megatron can't get an M v p, then it's completely and utterly hopeless for any other wide receiver in the NFL history to ever be able to get one.
We'll have a defensive tackle in 1971 Alan Page from the Vikings.
But that was that was the, uh, the purple people eaters, Probably, I would imagine.
Well, I mean, there's been defensive, you know, guys, obviously you guys like J.
Watt and Reggie White, and you know J R M v P.
I thought I thought I thought he won.
I know he's one defense of NBP.
Multiple times I thought he had that NBP No, he doesn't even know.
Just quarterbacks and running backs more Taylor When an EVP he did.
Yeah, back in 86.
I think Reggie White did as well.
I'm not sure, but I think he did.
The problem is, when it comes to the M V P is, unless you have to be in a prominent position where they see you all the time, right? It's even like Defensive player of the year, and I know I'm seeing it on a year that a cornerback want it.
But why do you think it's all it's normally a defensive lineman or an edge rusher? You what I mean because, um, you know, 50 Defended stat Parrino, 20 defended passes in a ***y number, but 12 sacks or 15 sacks.
And you know 140 tackles is right.
It's It's the noticeable, tangible things.
It's, you know, and there's numbers.
I think that some positions, like a cornerback or safety, take uh, tickets.
The Foreign Gilmore.
Yeah, he had crazy numbers, but if you look at passes attempts against him, it was probably one of the lowest in the league.
That's because no one wanted to throw.
No one wanted to throw to him.
But that's not going to show up on the stat sheet, right? And I think that's the same thing.
It's like it's like, Ah, wide receiver If let's say DeAndre.
Hopkins is the second best receiver on Arizona this year, but he's demanding double and triple teams.
You what I mean and opening up spots for other players because that's what Gronk did for a lot of players On the Patriots.
He opened up double.
He would the year that Edelman was injured.
He was demanding triple.
They were triple teaming Gronkowski, which was opening up.
Chris Hogan and all the other guys right and those are the kind of things that go unrecognised in the voting and that that's what you know.
And again, it's why I never take the M v p serious unless the Patriot wins it just like and tweet it.
You know what I mean? Like it's It's really the only reason.
Otherwise, I think those awards mean nothing to me because it's, I think, always think, a lot of times with other players that deserve to win it over others.
And and you've got to really give it TI players like that that know that all they're doing in this game is going to go out and be a distraction.
You know, even though they are really good players, T.
Y Hilton have had to do that multiple times as well go out there knowing I'm not going to get the ball thrown to be maybe two or three times this game because I'm going to get double and triple team because they don't want me to burn.
You know, like Houston in the Energy Stadium over the top, because that's what he does all the time.
And last time they played in Houston and RG to you, I was a little hurt.
But Houston was so worried about him that they had to three guys on him the entire time.
We knew he knew that I'm not getting the ball, but because of that, you got single coverage and even guys just running free, you know? Yep.
So if you watch the do your job from the 2014 the first year, the do***entary of the patrons symptoms with broken Seahawks, they run through the whole playoffs, right? If you listen to Ballot Shack, miked up, all he ever says is they double teamed T y with Arrington with a safety on top.
It was a double team the whole game.
But before every snap ballot check would say, Where's Hilton? Where's Helton? Where's health? And just to make sure these guys were on him.
And then there's a shot on the sideline into cold player going.
I came on cross.
This guy was on top.
I couldn't get there and t y looks up and goes walk into my life.
You know, that's all they did.
So because, and that's what you mean.
And that's where coaches like you've got a look at.
You wanna be like you're not getting the ball today.
You and I mean, um, but you're gonna hopefully open it up.
And that's what you need your other players to step up, right? Yeah, exactly.
But then again, people will look a t wise stat line from that game, say the uneducated fan.
And I don't want to offend anybody watching this show.
But guys, I have started to learn.
There's a lot more uneducated fans in the educated fans.
They'll look at that stat line and go t y had an awful game, right? You know when? Really? No, he What did you want him to do? They were They were one step away from just handcuffing him to the bed, right? Right, Yeah, that's what happens.
I wanted to go back to stuff on Gilmore because obviously he had a great season deserve defensive player of the Year.
In my opinion, I actually think quarterbacks should B'more recognised, and I was actually happy that 1/4 finally won defensive player of the year.
But do you guys think if a more prominent pass rusher led the league because you have you had Shaquille Barrett last year with 19.
5 *** leading the league unusually defensive Player of the Year awards go to the, you know, the sack leader most of the time.
Do you think if it wasn't Shaquille Barrett who plays for the Bucks? Or Chandler Jones, who had 19 who plays for the Cardinals? If it was, say, like DeMarcus Lawrence or somebody like from the Cowboy, like a team that everybody watches? Do you think they would have won defensive player of the year? It would have been on a playoff team.
Yeah, in their offense has a sock, right? I also think that's another big piece of it.
What did we hear about the Patriots all last season? Was the defense right? So I think that highlights it even more.
I trust me. Still fun.
Gilmore turned a lot of Patriot fans last year to become Gilmore fans that they were like they knew he was good but became, You know, that's my cornerback like because the offense was so bad you leave John to it.
I think that if you have a really good offense, no matter how good your defensive players, he gets ignored because he's not on a team where they're relying on the defense, you know, the most balanced.
That's why the most balanced teams in the league hardly ever have candidates because it's too hard to pick out, you know, it goes on.
It's a stupid system, Joe.
You know, I mean, but I agree with you.
I mean and again the like.
And that's where I get to What's more important, sacks or or deflections and interceptions.
And, you know, I mean, like, you start having the this where you get to the nitty gritty of things and it's like, Okay, at the end of the day, the two guys that you mentioned were non playoff teams, Right? Who? I get the argument for putting them there.
It's the farm Gilmore in that defense.
Not just him, though, dragged the Patriots into the playoffs.
You really mean and one games by things.
You have to look again.
It comes down like M v P, who was the most valuable to their team on that in that year.
And if you're not a playoff team, you can't be the most valuable.
You mean like that's just you're who waas the M v p in 2013.
Well, I just closed it.
Just open history that would be the smart, smart way to do things.
Um okay, here we go.
Doesn't walking it.
Waas Peyton Manning for the landing for the Broncos.
Now you know who won defensive Player of the Year that year? Bond.
What is it, JJ? What? No.
Okay, You know who led the NFL in sacks that year? Von Miller.
No, J j a what? Lukoki? No.
Robert Mathis was 19.
And yet no one knows this because he didn't win defensive Player of the Year or M v p or anything of that nature, But he had 19.
5 sacks in 2013.
The Colts went to the, uh, divisional round of the playoffs that year.
And yet he still got zero recognition.
And you just you know what I'm saying? Well, you was talking about, you know, you get 19 19.
5 sacks and you get to the playoffs.
You should get some recognition.
Robert Mathis got zero recognition now that outside of outside of colts fans and you know, and look it.
Look at Chandler Jones.
Nobody ever recognized one is the best pass rushers in the league, but he is is just because he plays in Arizona.
He plays in Arizona.
And he was a New England cast off.
And he wasn't a cast off, either.
That's the thing Belichick knew.
He couldn't afford him.
So he traded him before his contract came up because he knew he wasn't gonna any smoked marijuana.
He smoked that fake marijuana stuff in one of the police station with his shirt off.
Right? Which during the playoffs, which I think tickled the coat.
But, ah, he was gonna call you.
We knew they knew the kind of money he was gonna demand.
So they thought if we could get a second round pick for him, you know, I mean, it's, you know, because we're gonna lose in this year anyways.
That same reason Jamie Collins got shipped off to.
At least you got to go to Arizona.
Jamie Collins had to go to Cleveland takes, but yeah, I know.
And you know what year 2013 Right? That was Manning's first year with, uh, better.
So? And that would have been luck's first year. Yeah.
So it was a second year in Denver.
Second, the Colts would have been ***y at that time, though, right? The ***iness was all in Denver.
Everybody I remember.
Still Peyton versus Brady just went from Denver from India to Denver, you know? I mean, it was because quarterback, it's such a quarterback driven league.
Not just, you know, for teams, for the fans, for everything else.
I'm a defense guy.
I'm the guy that if you have asked me for my top 25 I bet you 20 number defensive players and five of them are offensive players.
I love defense, but look, the Patriots are gonna win two games this year to a lot of Patriot fans, and I'm trying to explain to them that they've got a top five off the top five defense or like, well, what's not going to do for us? You mean because it's such a who's our quarterback? That's all.
Anybody cares about writers who were quite offensive driven league.
But I point, I point to it.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
You what? I mean, who was the Tampa Bay quarterback that's used? That's the best trivia question in the world when they won the Super Bowl you know was washing who's who was Washington's.
Who was the M v p of of of the Super Bowl when Washington wanted.
Was that a Heisman? We've eaten.
It was back in, like, I think, the eighties late eighties.
Think he was the first black quarterback to win Super Bowl MVP view talking about, um, His name is escaping me right now.
I know you're talking about that shoots e.
I don't know why Cordell in my head.
No, it's totally Oh, my God.
Yours because you're making us all look really stupid right now.
I know. It is just totally forgetting.
Okay, There you go.
That was his name.
He also played for the Chiefs.
Didn't he? Did Who the hell's core? Darryl Cordero.
I have I have Cordeiro my head right now. Maybe we'll score.
Maybe I don't know why I had that.
There's a lot of bad quarterbacks of one Super Bowls.
You mean, or I shouldn't say bad, but there's a lot of non household names.
Super Bowls that have one quarterback the 11 super way been on for 56 minutes.
You can tell by when we're starting to look up.
Doug Williams and quarterback of the Tampa Bay Bucks Super Bowl was because that's the thing, though, right? Like except for, like certain players.
I mean, when ah, OK, since you brought Jim Kelly, he lost Aikman.
Didn't he lose the Phil Simms? Yes, you know, I mean, Simms wasn't a great quarterback, you know, like he was okay.
But you had lt on that team. You decide.
That was a bill balletic defense.
And it's There's been some good quarterbacks, not toe win the Super Bowl.
They get lost in history and then mediocre quarterbacks like boomer sizing and who never won one but went to a Super Bowl and ran Brad Johnson.
Is that who it is for the books? I don't know, but I say it's the best quarter.
Sounds about right.
That's what I think.
That's what I'm reading.
Any beat Rich Gannon, right? Yep, like it's that was to defend.
Nobody remembers Brad Johnson.
Everybody remembers that Tampa Bay defense.
Well, of course I was Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice like that was sucker, Brooks.
It was such a good defense.
Dude, you only people in my school even before they won the Super Bowl had Warren Sapp jerseys buck jerseys until Tom Brady signed with them.
Yeah, I haven't seen a buck jersey since, you know? So, like, it's that defense was huge.
And that safety that was a twin holds his name.
His twin barber barber? Yeah, a mariam.
No, not Mary Bars running back Tiki brother, His brother? Um, Yeah.
Marion Marion Barber and peaking.
I thought Marion Barber was the row.
Yeah, yeah, for the cowboys. Right.
The barbarian? Yeah.
Too many barbers way.
Many barbers, like, speaking of barbers, figure, but you can't get a barber.
Yeah, well, actually, the barber's air open here in my state now, so haven't went out and got it because it's too stinking hot.
Well, we're about to open up phase two here, and I think that's going to open up barber shops and stuff.
But you gotta wear the masks and everything when you goto right? Get it done.
And they're not doing beard.
That's what I heard. No beard.
Really, Just Yeah.
And I know that in Massachusetts because the guy I do my show with on Thursday nights, He his barber's air open.
But they're not doing beards either.
He's got to do your own beard.
Wow, That's lame.
Well, I guess you can't cut around the Mass.
I mean, they could, but it would probably look that good.
That'd be great.
That's well, I don't remember the bull.
Look, Remember the bull look on the top of your head.
We should the mask.
Look, we just got around the wrist like a big ass goatee.
Like a big round goatee.
Well, I've seen Well, that beard Look where you got the two lines come out like this. And then it goes.
That's exactly what it would look like.
We just had the high line in the low line. Oh, yeah.
You know, you gave in the middle free.
Eso Can we finish off with this, then? Sure.
Since we're on this subject, out of all the professional sports in the world, this football players not have the dumbest haircuts.
Like some of the some of this stuff that I see come out of the NFL like Antonio Brown and the different hairstyles he like he even write.
My body's a Steelers fan, And I remember a b was on dancing with the stars. My wife watching.
I texted him, like, Why does it look like he has Lego on his head? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you got remember, there weren't 99% of the time when they're actually playing the game, you don't even see their head, you know? I mean, they have a helmet on, so it's hidden.
So we figure let's just have the dumbest air worldwide is Well, yes.
I'd like to see someone actually have a helmet head for real.
You know, actually, get a haircut that looks like a football helmet.
That would be awful.
Uh, that was attached toe like a face mask.
You know, with the facial hair.
We've been on way to forgive thistles where we are.
Yeah, we've gotten We have the same dear cut that we were just talking about.
Yeah, way got shotgun shot.
Okay, so I'm gonna have to let go of her neighborhood is getting dangerous.
So I would like a thing.
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