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the Brooklyn necks.
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And as you we're bringing you more Doug Nori.
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Welcome.
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Instead, on a Friday evening How you live in your ah, proud new papa of the truck if I'm not mistaken.
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Toyota's 100 baby.
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Yeah, drove that peace.
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No. Feel like a real man.
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Now, I don't know what I've been doing all my life.
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I do.
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Did you call anything? Todo u Haul anything? Did you pick anything up on the other side of the road just to make sure that you had something in the bed of the truck? No, but I did have an interesting thing will happen where I was driving home and I was on the parkway.
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And now they all of a sudden reinstituted the coin collector, the whole collectors, and I'm a big time.
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You hear the way? Had a $50 bill on May for something.
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That's why I never carried cash lives.
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Doesn't not worth explain Why add this and the lady I handle Lady the 50 And then she says, Do you have anything smaller? And I'm like, Don't you think I would have given you that? Like I'm not just like trying to wake you Don't enjoy your time off.
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Start counting, You know, just look closer.
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Told 70 told 70 cents. You go.
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Not gonna buck.
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Yeah, I have it.
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But I just want to make your work.
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You know, I don't have the easy passage.
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And then she took a picture of my license plate.
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She said people tried to counterfeit bill there.
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Uh, I never had that happen before either.
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So it was a fun little return home.
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Otherwise, truck purring like a kitten.
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Well, there you go on. That's how we listen.
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This is not the similar to the podcast.
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Where were somehow seem to get off topic very quickly to start.
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And then you try to round ourselves back into basketball conversations.
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Good news.
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The go fund me failed for Spencer Dinwiddie.
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But he's not done entertaining us and giving us information.
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She announced officially buddy, July 15th.
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Basketballs back.
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Spencer did what? He made it official.
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This has been sort of the rumor.
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This has been like making its way around the room.
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It's funny that he's the guy who broke it because I was like, did he break it? I feel like I already knew that was the date But either way, people are quoting him.
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I was like, This is the first official.
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I don't have to source it.
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I don't have to name names, kind of like person who told me that he just came out and said it.
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And then everyone kind of jumped into the Spencer.
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Then when he confirms what we already knew to camp like it wasn't it was like he breaks it, but no one else.
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Like when I saw that I was like, Well, oh, it's like I thought we just hold knew that already.
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But I guess it was nothing was official until it's Twitter official.
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Well, that's Ah, it seems very Spencer's anybody right? Like like this was the thing that you could just we're building towards And everyone seemed like an unspoken agreement.
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Don't say anything until we get everything lined up perfectly.
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And then it was like they were coming back.
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Good job by him.
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Sort of like reading the market like I need to make a little bounce back here because this other thing did not really go his own way.
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And so I'm just gonna be the guy that says it, and I'll make it I'll just get myself into a new news cycle, which is the new.
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The new cycle is I'm the one who broke that.
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Basketball is finally returning, so I think I start by him.
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I kind of we kind of dragged him a little bit on the last podcast for some of the go fund me stuff and just being a little tone deaf.
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So I'm gonna say he gets he took an elevator but takes w on this one.
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I'm maybe just being left.
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What kind of reverse my fortune here by just I'll be the one that breaks in school.
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Well, listen, he's not.
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He's not affectionately known on the we got next podcast is the entrepreneur for nothing, right? This is a man of many avenues.
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So, like any good doesn't make mistakes, you have to be prepared to fail.
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You missile, the shots you don't take.
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So it's I think that's the entrepreneurial sort of mantra.
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He, Dave and nothing else he has that you could make okay and make mistakes.
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Just keep firing bullets to something that something will kind of come through and look what you did here.
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One of them's gonna land.
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Yeah, uh, in that vein, this goes back a ways.
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But around the return of the NBA season, you and I talked about in the podcast about then diving right into the playoffs.
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Potentially, some of these lower hanging fruit teams aren't necessarily want to get going to get balls.
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But Win Horse had talked about this, I think, even back when when the leak first went out, that the number in terms of the season completion was gonna be 70 games.
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And that's because it represents the deliver what is deliverable to the regional sports network.
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So just what the N B A is requires to provides the local sports outlets in order to not have Teoh essentially undercutting checks back to some of these some of these markets for not landing it of the games range anywhere thing for like, 3 to 6 is like the highest total that you're going to get blood.
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Essentially, that's what we're talking about here.
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This isn't really about the warm up right.
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This is just about the n b a.
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Avoiding having to give back money on top of what they're already looking at, losing totally.
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I mean, probably a little piece of it that has, you know where the that Kings pelicans like West Grizzlies Western Conference.
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That kind of is a race.
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There's something to be said for that.
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But by and large, they probably wouldn't have had a problem with, like playing games for those guys and then just kind of move on and into the playoffs, except for use their regional sports numbers that you might hear other people talk about the Colmar s ends.
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Aziz, just for a short thes are send contracts, which are incredibly important.
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It is, Askew said.
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I do understand, as I understand it is that, yeah, they would have to reimburse the and these are like your local sports act like your Fox Sports Phoenix and stuff like that, like these, these stations that are yes, for for Mets fans, right, So it's like having they're all kind of on the scene kind of contracts and they would have to refund it.
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So I think that's money talks and this is the most important thing.
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I do think that I do think in general most players probably just want to come back and play.
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I know it's talking baseball where they're saying Well, you know that which has become a kind of of a mass.
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Where? There.
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So I'm gonna get mine and not Yemen to get paid.
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Um, I'm not coming back.
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And like some of these guys, that price Harper, whatever.
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But I do think in general my guess is almost all these FBI guys want to come back short of just having an outstanding issue or some kind of thing that does really put them at risk And are a few players like that.
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My guess is that most guys want to come back play, even if they're just if it's just for four games and they're just gonna head back home.
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I did.
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There's been sold these guys, just not what? Sometimes people like to put themselves in the place of pro athletes like, Well, why would you want to go back to work? You're gonna get paid.
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I'm, like, want to that? You don't take it to be there, not you right there.
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Not just whatever.
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Whatever you know, doing whatever job that you don't that you dislike, that you're going out and doing.
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These guys just want to play basketball. They've been cooped up.
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I think that by and large, none of them have a problem with heading back and even just playing four games.
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Even if you're just like on the Hawks or the Hornet's, you know, they just knows you have no chance.
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I think I think I think all of them want to come back in.
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Some form was like the difference is getting paid to do something that you already loved doing versus like you said, being somebody who is going to the 9 to 5 job they hate and aren't necessarily eager to hot back in with your probably right.
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Especially like if you aren't trying Young, the later Hawks like, Who cares? I'll go.
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I'll play four games.
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I'll get to see some guys.
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I'll get to see some You know, some of the people that I enjoy playing against about the season.
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The other thing that I heard a little bit briefly about what the NHL is doing on, I just wondered if you thought because it's not as big a sport is the MBA, it's really fallen by the wayside, I think just in terms of like national coverage.
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But the NHL is basically taking the bottom four teams in each conference.
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They're playing into a Screwem in order to get up to what will be.
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I think it ends up working out to be, you know, that that top tier so four teams will get something to buy.
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So it's like a little mini playing tournament to get to the elite 24.
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Then have a have a playoff system like that, are you? Ah, would you be in favor of that at all if it included a couple more teams? So let's say you extend it out instead of eight, sees you go to 10 seeds and basically, you know, 6 to 10.
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Those those teams in each conference play.
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Five, testifies Siri's and then So maybe a team that was three or four games out of the eighth spot can old a sudden surge and find themselves in the playoff spot.
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Yeah, I'm finally getting weird here.
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Here's the thing.
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I think that this is the time to really experiment, because almost no matter what happens here, no one is gonna count this championship as a real championship.
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I just think in history e I mean, we'll count it.
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So you were here on with us still count.
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It will go into the history books as crowning an MBA champion, and I guess you can choose if you want to remember it or not.
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You know, it's similar, maybe to the strike shortened seasons there.
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I think people just look back no matter what happens and say, Oh, yeah, that was the, You know that was the Kobe dear, Like that was the year they get to the summer.
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So I just don't think it's going to be looked at the same ways and the other season.
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I think from that standpoint, it's fine getting a little weird because it because just just just this is not normal cir***stances.
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This is not a regular season.
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This is not gonna count in the ledger of actual championships.
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Maybe I could be proven wrong about that, but I really don't think it's going to be.
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The case is just too strange.
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There's too many factors.
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It's two different, and at that point, yeah, sure you want to get more teams involved, go for it.
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You won't have to.
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These guys can play some board games, get some more exposure because they will benefit.
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I will say they will probably benefit from just having more games to have excuse to be.
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Have you played? Um, I think that the interest is gonna be absolutely through the roof.
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And if that's the case, then you really can't run If we really can't go wrong, just getting more exposure to you know, you mentioned the TRIA.
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Any of these teams that just have kind of star level players but are just relegated to just being on bad teams.
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It's not bad to just get these guys exposure to in something that you know is gonna have a lot of eyeballs on it.
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Well, and the first team this will this will carry us right over into a topic.
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I know you can't wait for about trade rumors and the Brooklyn Nets, but it seemed like the pelicans, right? Who get bags? Ion Williamson.
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They're not in the playoffs right now, but if you expanded it and let them mix it up with some of those bottom steeds and maybe you end up getting them into a playoff series like that could be to the benefit of the entire league in general and to the benefit obviously of Zion Williamson or Bowl, you know, anger of all these guys getting science, really Just getting side I like.
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That's like that would be that that has to be.
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Part of their thinking is he sucks.
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Um, he's just about to make the ascension.
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He was just having, like, on a per minute basis.
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Just may be the best rookie season ever, so I know he didn't didn't get the play very much, but I do to be a lot of incentive.
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Just at least get a few more games out of him if you could, because he's such a he just primed for supers****om, you know, as long as he can stay healthy.
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So I think I think that alone could be a motivating factor, and I just I want to double check because when you look out there in the West, where do they fall everywhere I look for you together.
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They were really close.
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Three games back of Memphis.
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Yeah, three games back of Memphis for the eighth seed, Portland ahead of rate now.
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So good change.
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But I will say it's gonna change happens the shortened season.
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But at the time that the end the league stopped.
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I'm pretty sure their playoff percent chance of making the playoffs was the highest of those three teams because of their remaining schedule.
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It's gonna change now because they don't play that they just lose 12 games.
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That's just not gonna be something that changes.
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But, um, I just I think that they did have the highest chance to make it.
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Um, if you based on, I think it was 5 30 that, as like with remaining strength remaining schedule in the fact that they probably just with Zion, had the best team of that group.
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So one of the one of the players, I guess the veteran leader, technically of that pelicans team is holiday.
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I got into it, not into it, But I had a discussion with with Keep McPherson and with Matt Brooks last night about now, the of course, the re emerged rumor that the Brooklyn Nets have had internal discussions about trading for Radley deal.
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We've talked about this on the podcast before, about how Bradley Beal and Aaron Gordon, or just the two names that that seems to be forever linked to the Nets.
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I don't even want to say too much beyond just teeing it up for you.
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Of How much do you love this? This possibility.
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How much does Signori want? A piece of the field of Brooklyn action so over talking about that they brought it up like this.
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Just like to avoid a content that well, what you gonna do.
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But it's like one.
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There's almost no chance of it happening.
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The only Nets fans think there's no other pertinent.
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I think there's no real people out there that should headed by the way, internal discussions.
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You can have internal discussion, but I just see that that's that really is pretty meaningless to May.
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I just don't see why Washington would do it.
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They went pop, committed on his contract last year and made him making it so it couldn't even be traded this season with the way they signed the contract.
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He's an absolute Maxfield, he said.
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He wants to stay in Washington.
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Well, may I came to you have time to talk about this.
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He's the same age as Caris, Levert.
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I don't know why they would do that, okay, and he's better.
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So there you go.
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He's better than the vert, and he's just more tied to the franchise already didn't when he is older than him, I think so.
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It's like I'm just throwing out of the names that people like talk about creating.
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Then it's like klaxon.
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Okay, you just you want to trade? Throw Guy the Claxton to a trade on A Why Washington would do it.
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Let's have a bunch of the other team's draft picks never very good, because they, most of them are picks from teams that are basically playoff round to protected.
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So it's not even like these draft assets are incredibly valuable.
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I just don't even know why they would do. It's OK.
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That's first, and I just every time it comes up Oh my God, what Washington is not gonna do it.
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They hang up the phone every time with these deals to is.
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Actually, I don't think it's sort of more importantly about what we're Nets.
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Nets fans seem to be totally honed in on third star third start.
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So here we need 2/3 in Third Star.
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Okay, maybe that's true.
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And stop me if I've said this 1000 times the pockets But I guess is the news is new SportsCastr crew, so we can I can go into their one.
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You need the third star kind of thing when you have Golden State at the height of its power.
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That was where that this idea came from.
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Is that all you need? These third? Well, that seems no longer around.
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Durant's on.
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That's what he's with us now so that theories doing these teams don't actually have third starts.
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A lot of murders to start teams and good other pieces.
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Adults around L a both l A teams, right? Those those the two that come to mind, Obviously, with the stars, you can go down the list of however you wanna say who were stars.
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You want to say Luca and stabs her a star tandem? Okay, that's fine.
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You want to say, Jonathan so much of a star that he actually needs pieces a few other pieces around them? Um, there's clearly not a second superstar unless how, no matter how once you wanna rank Middletown there on, then these other teams.
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Boston is kind of like potatoes becoming a star.
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They have lots of other very good players, so it's not clear to me that, like just adding this third, stars like this automatic path of victory.
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And ultimately, you have to of let's call them at if they're playing their best two of the top 10 scores of basketball on the team already in Kyrie, Irving and Kevin Durant and that you could actually probably go a little higher.
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I'm just being very safe by saying Top 10.
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You don't need 1/3 guy who just scores.
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At this point, you don't need more scores.
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Bradley Beal is an absolute turnstile in defense.
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He maybe you want to say, Well, that was the scheme they played in Washington.
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So they really concerned the defense.
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Why should he be concerned? The defense and no one else was playing defense in that team.
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So why should he be the irises busting it like they were letting allowing just an ungodly amount of points per 100 possessions were like the worst all time I believe into the season.
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You just This is not a good complement.
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I don't even think from a skill set thing.
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Do you want to just try to outscore everybody? Okay.
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You gotta have at that point, you better have two guys.
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They're absolutely delete defenders, not even just like get by guys, elite defenders because you were compromised.
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Transferred defender.
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But you've compromised so much on the defensive end, in the name of storing, I just doesn't make sense from any.
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No, there's no angle of it.
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This make that make sense for me? Well, that's why when we had the discussion and it's like on the face, or would you want to have Bradley Beal? Great.
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I love talented players.
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I think I started to defuse the conversation yesterday by saying, Yeah, I wanted one Anthony Davis Next year when he's a free agent.
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I mean, we're talking about having a good time.
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I'd love to have, you know, LeBron on the team like, let's I'll throw it any name you want.
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It's exciting to have on there and I think that that was really the thing to me, because the idea of having regard to didn't deal of having 1/3 guy that's purely a score, at least on paper.
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Whether or not like you said scheme fit, maybe he could do more for you.
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Having three incredible scoring talents on your on your roster is fantastic, but at some point, especially indeed playoff runs, you're going tohave to D up, and at that point you're really talking about putting Kevin Durant in the biggest spotlight to probably have to make the biggest defensive plays for you that's under silly.
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That's a bad thing.
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But when you don't have any of your other two biggest pieces really able to stymie guard position, that's gonna be putting Kevin Durant and at least a slightly more difficult situation to be defending against some of the quicker or better guards in the league.
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It just seems like you're lining yourself up toe, have incredible regular season success and then not necessarily know how to accomplish the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
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Right? Because here's the other thing about that list of two superstars that I made before.
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Almost every other superstar that I mentioned is either is either competent or up to elite and defense.
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Right? Okay, so, like you add the LeBron, can he turn the defense? Somebody wants to.
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Yes is A and E.
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Davis is top three or four defenders, all basketball.
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Jonathan is probably the best defender at all.
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That's the wall, right? These, like Paul George and qy r elite defenders quiet might be like the find, the best wing defender basketball, right, so like these are star guys with their that are already just basically all two way.
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Kyrie is not right, so this is okay.
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I'm not saying this is not a path to victory.
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He's already won a championship, so it's it's not.
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It's not that it's not a path.
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It's just that you really you really need to make up for some of this stuff on the margins.
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And Bill just doesn't strike me as that guy and so it's not.
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I get.
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Everyone falls in love with the superstar thing.
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There's levels of superstars and there's weight and because when you fall out of this top range of these top guys, defense really, really matters.
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Averaging defense simply can't put their heads around it, so I just sometimes like streaming to avoid.
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But this we'll do a podcast about guys and I'd be happy to sign that.
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We don't need to do on the stream here like I've been liberal down basically like low rent sort of guys that like might fit the That's really, really well, um you know, people were in love with Wahba the season because he was insane defender, and he probably was a guy that could play against Kyrie.
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Maybe in some big time situations.
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He was just that good of a defender.
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There are other some guys like that out there that I think you're gonna be not Nets names Nets fans are excited about.
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But I'm just I'm over the Bradley building.
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That's why I think I just did my 10 minutes on.
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I explain it.
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Can't explain it any better.
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This is just not a good fit.
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Don't get life.
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You're I want to just sell the farm to bring this guy in it next.
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If you want to walk in tomorrow for, like, even a Max contract, you want to come in.
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You know it's trip anything else out, Sure, but the court, where you start shipping stuff out for a guy I don't think is a great fit, I just doesn't make sense.
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Well, that's piece of to not regard.
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Regardless of deal himself about the idea of going out for any player to put together a trade package, you can examine some of the guys on the roster and, you know, disseminate who has more value if you're a little redundant with dignity behind Kyrie Irving.
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Okay, fine.
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But the Nets, relatively speaking, have some nice depth on this roster as currently constituted.
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So this idea of depleting that to go get a player to turn around specifically one that isn't necessarily defensive minded.
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Then you're talking about, okay, when he needs to come off the floor and you had to sacrifice whatever the Garrett Temple, you have to sacrifice Spencer Dinwiddie.
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You have to sacrifice Wilson Chandler, you have to sacrifice maybe Jared Allen in order to make that happen.
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Now you're talking about how do you fill out the rest of the roster again to make sure that you have some players and come on the court gets in those defensive stops the the pelicans tired and I This is the name that I kind of threw after I got the consensus from the guys was, You know, if you want to get a guy that's around 26 27 years old, get holiday for the pelicans and I don't think again three.
00:19:55
Caf, caf, any of these moves? By the way, other teams around the league have far more attractive assets than the Nets do in order to accomplish one of these trades.
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But if I was going to go target someone who's going into the last year as two years left on his deal, that's the guy that I go get because he does what you need.
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He plays elite level defense, and maybe we can save him as being the cream of the crop is.
00:20:14
You said about going to some of these defensive players defensive minded players that you could take a look at, but that I don't know why.
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Deal or Gordon or some these other names get mentioned so much more more prevalent Lee than these other players that today is your point.
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Fit, fit the need.
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If you're going to get somebody kept silly, that solves a problem.
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Not that creates extra value at a position.
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You've already kind of salt.
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Yeah, I I just I just simply don't get it. I have been just stuck.
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I think they're stuck in one thinking.
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Bradley feels like a top 20 basketball top 20 player in the league.
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It's not. I'm not positive. That's the case.
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It's probably close, but it's not.
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AmeriCorps definitely isn't but the, um it just it just they get stuck with the same names.
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It's just, It's it's one is that a lot of these teams are different trajectories of where they want like no one's going to shop.
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No team is gonna ship some young, really good player for nothing.
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But that's just not gonna happen to go with your gut.
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The lop off a certain percentage of just guys who were even readily available and then when the list and the list is kind of drives up after that.
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That's why I felt that Gobert's when we talk about Gabeira found that to be really interesting.
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I was okay.
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It's gonna see that this is actually fits the needle leads an elite defender.
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Um, he's not a total zero on offense, only most because you could kind of just and his true shootings up there.
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I mean, the Andres is, too, but like he just is so much something better defender.
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But this is where this is where I've been really gravitating.
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It's just like this elite level.
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I just that people just don't Davros basketball fan just doesn't mean they don't go bare, but they just they see Bradley Beal.
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This he is dropping, like 27 30 point tonight, and they're like, Wow, we need that.
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And it's like I don't know.
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I mean, it's just not really how a lot of these teams are built.
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I know for sure.
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Uh, we'll get out of here on this, which is, um I did not.
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I did not run this past you before we got on here.
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I know are familiar with the n b A in general.
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So no, Unfortunately, I talked about it with with Simeon Russell earlier today.
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Jerry Sloan passed away earlier this morning.
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The 23 year head coach for the Utah Jazz and I just from ah, when I started thinking about a Zen looked into him a little bit was he did a great job of evolving his coaching style and pulling threads from the seventies as you move through the eighties, and that that the Temple of the game started to change.
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He had that flex offense system that he worked in.
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He's very adaptable.
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And even after Stockton and Malone let Stockton retired below left, he surged back with Darren Williams and Carlos Boozer and 1 50 plus games and got to the playoffs again at the back end of his coaching career, Woman's Popovich retires.
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That was actually compared to him and then kind of thought that was my comparison bug advice.
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You can work that comparison, but just the idea that look like you know Spoelstra is 10 years is 12 years in with the Heat.
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But just, you know, the longevity of coaches.
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There's something about, for the most part, are coaches ever gonna get that type of stretch where it is you're achieving, You're going to playoffs.
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Never won a championship playing at a high level one, I think.
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50 Game 50 plus games.
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15 seasons out of his 23 on Lee had one sub 500 season, but just the willingness to stay committed to a coach and say, OK, we'll tweak will adjust will adapt as opposed to Remember Kenny Atkinson was the longest 10 year coach in the new engine in New York before he got let go by the Nets.
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So that speaks to how much how much wiggle room you have before the axe comes down, says Hey, listen, like we had a goal in mind, It's championship or bust.
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Do you think we're gonna find that.
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That's kind of going away.
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And obviously, with pop maybe being the last standing tenant event, we need a lot of things to break right for you.
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You need to be great, coach.
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First of all, um, I don't have too many thoughts on Jerry Sloan, to be honest with you, but, I mean, in terms of coaching, in terms of coaching piece, you need to be a great coach.
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So that is standard.
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There's a couple guys I could see maybe getting there like Steve Kerr. Brad Stevens.
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You already mentioned Spoelstra.
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You need that Locke over, right.
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You need to have a pretty stable organization just to start like the top down organisations or good owners and then good GM and then last.
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But you need to win.
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Obviously the so whatever won't everything you want to say it comes from whichever one like, if you want to say stability and organizations, what helps you win, then? Okay.
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But you know the fact that Kerr has now been at it what, like eight years? I think like that.
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You said that Spoelstra eyes up there.
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Stevens is relatively young, but that's another one of those organizations that feels just like pretty steady and has a at least a plan going forward.
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And he just considered one of the best X's and O's coaches in the game anyway, so that's gonna help him.
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I think that probably helps him last through some lean years.
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You know, the cur, obviously.
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Is this a track record that it was kind of known they were just gonna tank this season and he lived in the tank, and then it's gonna come back and the longest, maybe step is there, which, I mean, I can't imagine they let him get away at any point.
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I think that, like there are some of these guys that have the possibility those are the three that come to me at the top of my head.
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I don't think I would have said Small struck the top of my head until you reminded me that he's been there.
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But it's that such a crazy set of cir***stances right where he's there.
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And then they bring in the Big Three and in the big tree leave, and they kind of don't ever break things up completely.
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But then they have a new set it, But the fact that he's coach with so many different styles and so many different layers.
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That and Miami is one of those really stable organizations that Riley and these guys that just, um, they just don't have.
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There's not tons of turnover When it comes to management, they have a philosophy that they all kind of stick to.
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So those are the guys that come off the top of my head.
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It's as me thinking that, yeah, they can.
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They can maybe make a run at this if they want relatively young to that helps to.
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None of these guys are overwhelming little that Stevens is really excuses like he's like it's mid thirties.
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I think, um, so you have same same career plan tended me, just got away from me kind of proper s'more at this point. Mayor Bradley.
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But this kind of we'll make a list of your side and then we'll kind of evaluated to be and I don't want, just jump out and say right away it's them.
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It's that I haven't looked at Look at the full breath of of our accomplishments.
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I don't presume it's me.
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I mean, I don't presume it's him or may just yet, but I was just That was kind of the thought that it took me with because once pop goes the said those handful ample of coaches and they need because even a guy like Nick Nurse, I I feel like he's He's given himself right, but I mean, like, he's given himself that that baseline.
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But you don't know if that organization, if that franchise is going to stay at a relatively high enough level where at some point you don't just go like if you're Nick nursing, just like I'd rather go somewhere else.
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Like I'd rather I'd rather be somewhere else.
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Not even that That organization.
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Just as a note, that organization fired the coach of the year three year, the guy who won coach of the year, Dwayne Casey.
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They fired him and hired Nick Nurse.
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So style talk to get their rights like so the most Anything, like some sort of accolades, will keep you around like he made the West Eastern Conference finals.
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One Coach of the Year and they're like, we got a bit.
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We got someone better than you think. It was the right call.
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Nurse won a championship so Yeah, you can say it's wrong.
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I'm just saying that like, it just doesn't I'm just by the way, I was just scrolling down some of these teams.
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You can automatically right off any bad team in this conversation.
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So that's the basic, Basically, the end of that, I guess, like Doc Rivers is interesting.
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Um, but like he's relatively young with L.
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A.
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And we're gonna blow it up like Kawai Mpg.
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Don't don't re sign that.
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At the end of those contracts, that team could be looking really grisly because they gave up.
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They gave up everything to get Paul George.
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So I don't even know that there's a chance that, like, Doc, they get to the end of this.
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These guys move on, and that's kind of the end.
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Quinson has been around the Jazz for a while.
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He's interesting, I suppose.
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But at some point you kind of got you kind of got a win.
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So I'm gonna keep my list.
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Is the then remember to keep my list as Stevens, Spoelstra and Kerr and courage probably.
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Well, look real quick.
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How long is my coach? But the current work I It was the best chances long steps.
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He's healthy.
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Yes, the is interesting that you said him cause I guess he's such a guy that I'm curious about.
00:28:03
I'd almost be curious to see if Clay Thompson did seem like Draymond Green would be the guy, the 1st 1 to kind of go from there and that contract.
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It looks like an enormous block of cement around the franchises ankles at some point.
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But if you still had just Steph Curry, you're gonna have to do other things and at some point to be able to judge, quote Steve Kerr on what he accomplishes as there's a real level of turnover there.
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After having basically just super level stars there, Katie comes and helps you want, helps you win a couple and it goes out the door.
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So how do you interested if you have to go through it even at any of the bills? Yeah, he's only been there.
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Six here, if I thought was longer.
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Um, so it's and I was there for the fun.
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I have this idea that he's probably tied pretty closely to stuff at this point, right with like, um, that I can see is being, you know, Azaz one goes, the other goes at lake or the more more tired the stuff.
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So I don't see why you never want to leave.
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Leave coaching if you have this guy with the connection they have.
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But that's what they would probably keep someone in my mind keeping around the longest one retreat for, ah, country for Clay Thompson.
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Take that.
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I think that's not Draymond Green.
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Don't want that.
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Well, I'm walking around thinking it.
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Well, walk around thinking about Max contracts I'd love to have on the roster.
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Now there's another name out there. Listen, we will.
00:29:20
We'll tie a bow on it with that man.
00:29:21
We covered the gauntlet from Spencer Dimwit.
00:29:23
He's breaking news Teoh to the coaching longevity that the signori's lady it We'll follow us here, obviously is.
00:29:30
We're doing basically to a week with Doug and myself.
00:29:33
Breaking down some of the topics both for the Nets and then even broader around the ND A next next week on Tuesday will be recording next Pockets episode will get a little bit more insight as to how Doug Nori's life and career stacks up against Brad Stevens.
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the Brooklyn necks.
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And as you we're bringing you more Doug Nori.
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Welcome.
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Instead, on a Friday evening How you live in your ah, proud new papa of the truck if I'm not mistaken.
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Toyota's 100 baby.
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Yeah, drove that peace.
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No. Feel like a real man.
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Now, I don't know what I've been doing all my life.
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I do.
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Did you call anything? Todo u Haul anything? Did you pick anything up on the other side of the road just to make sure that you had something in the bed of the truck? No, but I did have an interesting thing will happen where I was driving home and I was on the parkway.
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And now they all of a sudden reinstituted the coin collector, the whole collectors, and I'm a big time.
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You hear the way? Had a $50 bill on May for something.
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That's why I never carried cash lives.
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Doesn't not worth explain Why add this and the lady I handle Lady the 50 And then she says, Do you have anything smaller? And I'm like, Don't you think I would have given you that? Like I'm not just like trying to wake you Don't enjoy your time off.
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Start counting, You know, just look closer.
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Told 70 told 70 cents. You go.
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Not gonna buck.
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Yeah, I have it.
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But I just want to make your work.
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You know, I don't have the easy passage.
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And then she took a picture of my license plate.
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She said people tried to counterfeit bill there.
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Uh, I never had that happen before either.
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So it was a fun little return home.
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Otherwise, truck purring like a kitten.
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Well, there you go on. That's how we listen.
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This is not the similar to the podcast.
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Where were somehow seem to get off topic very quickly to start.
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And then you try to round ourselves back into basketball conversations.
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Good news.
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The go fund me failed for Spencer Dinwiddie.
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But he's not done entertaining us and giving us information.
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She announced officially buddy, July 15th.
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Basketballs back.
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Spencer did what? He made it official.
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This has been sort of the rumor.
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This has been like making its way around the room.
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It's funny that he's the guy who broke it because I was like, did he break it? I feel like I already knew that was the date But either way, people are quoting him.
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I was like, This is the first official.
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I don't have to source it.
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I don't have to name names, kind of like person who told me that he just came out and said it.
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And then everyone kind of jumped into the Spencer.
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Then when he confirms what we already knew to camp like it wasn't it was like he breaks it, but no one else.
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Like when I saw that I was like, Well, oh, it's like I thought we just hold knew that already.
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But I guess it was nothing was official until it's Twitter official.
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Well, that's Ah, it seems very Spencer's anybody right? Like like this was the thing that you could just we're building towards And everyone seemed like an unspoken agreement.
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Don't say anything until we get everything lined up perfectly.
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And then it was like they were coming back.
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Good job by him.
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Sort of like reading the market like I need to make a little bounce back here because this other thing did not really go his own way.
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And so I'm just gonna be the guy that says it, and I'll make it I'll just get myself into a new news cycle, which is the new.
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The new cycle is I'm the one who broke that.
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Basketball is finally returning, so I think I start by him.
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I kind of we kind of dragged him a little bit on the last podcast for some of the go fund me stuff and just being a little tone deaf.
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So I'm gonna say he gets he took an elevator but takes w on this one.
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I'm maybe just being left.
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What kind of reverse my fortune here by just I'll be the one that breaks in school.
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Well, listen, he's not.
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He's not affectionately known on the we got next podcast is the entrepreneur for nothing, right? This is a man of many avenues.
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So, like any good doesn't make mistakes, you have to be prepared to fail.
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You missile, the shots you don't take.
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So it's I think that's the entrepreneurial sort of mantra.
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He, Dave and nothing else he has that you could make okay and make mistakes.
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Just keep firing bullets to something that something will kind of come through and look what you did here.
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One of them's gonna land.
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Yeah, uh, in that vein, this goes back a ways.
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But around the return of the NBA season, you and I talked about in the podcast about then diving right into the playoffs.
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Potentially, some of these lower hanging fruit teams aren't necessarily want to get going to get balls.
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But Win Horse had talked about this, I think, even back when when the leak first went out, that the number in terms of the season completion was gonna be 70 games.
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And that's because it represents the deliver what is deliverable to the regional sports network.
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So just what the N B A is requires to provides the local sports outlets in order to not have Teoh essentially undercutting checks back to some of these some of these markets for not landing it of the games range anywhere thing for like, 3 to 6 is like the highest total that you're going to get blood.
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Essentially, that's what we're talking about here.
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This isn't really about the warm up right.
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This is just about the n b a.
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Avoiding having to give back money on top of what they're already looking at, losing totally.
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I mean, probably a little piece of it that has, you know where the that Kings pelicans like West Grizzlies Western Conference.
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That kind of is a race.
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There's something to be said for that.
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But by and large, they probably wouldn't have had a problem with, like playing games for those guys and then just kind of move on and into the playoffs, except for use their regional sports numbers that you might hear other people talk about the Colmar s ends.
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Aziz, just for a short thes are send contracts, which are incredibly important.
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It is, Askew said.
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I do understand, as I understand it is that, yeah, they would have to reimburse the and these are like your local sports act like your Fox Sports Phoenix and stuff like that, like these, these stations that are yes, for for Mets fans, right, So it's like having they're all kind of on the scene kind of contracts and they would have to refund it.
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So I think that's money talks and this is the most important thing.
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I do think that I do think in general most players probably just want to come back and play.
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I know it's talking baseball where they're saying Well, you know that which has become a kind of of a mass.
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Where? There.
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So I'm gonna get mine and not Yemen to get paid.
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Um, I'm not coming back.
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And like some of these guys, that price Harper, whatever.
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But I do think in general my guess is almost all these FBI guys want to come back short of just having an outstanding issue or some kind of thing that does really put them at risk And are a few players like that.
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My guess is that most guys want to come back play, even if they're just if it's just for four games and they're just gonna head back home.
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I did.
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There's been sold these guys, just not what? Sometimes people like to put themselves in the place of pro athletes like, Well, why would you want to go back to work? You're gonna get paid.
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I'm, like, want to that? You don't take it to be there, not you right there.
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Not just whatever.
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Whatever you know, doing whatever job that you don't that you dislike, that you're going out and doing.
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These guys just want to play basketball. They've been cooped up.
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I think that by and large, none of them have a problem with heading back and even just playing four games.
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Even if you're just like on the Hawks or the Hornet's, you know, they just knows you have no chance.
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I think I think I think all of them want to come back in.
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Some form was like the difference is getting paid to do something that you already loved doing versus like you said, being somebody who is going to the 9 to 5 job they hate and aren't necessarily eager to hot back in with your probably right.
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Especially like if you aren't trying Young, the later Hawks like, Who cares? I'll go.
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I'll play four games.
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I'll get to see some guys.
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I'll get to see some You know, some of the people that I enjoy playing against about the season.
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The other thing that I heard a little bit briefly about what the NHL is doing on, I just wondered if you thought because it's not as big a sport is the MBA, it's really fallen by the wayside, I think just in terms of like national coverage.
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But the NHL is basically taking the bottom four teams in each conference.
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They're playing into a Screwem in order to get up to what will be.
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I think it ends up working out to be, you know, that that top tier so four teams will get something to buy.
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So it's like a little mini playing tournament to get to the elite 24.
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Then have a have a playoff system like that, are you? Ah, would you be in favor of that at all if it included a couple more teams? So let's say you extend it out instead of eight, sees you go to 10 seeds and basically, you know, 6 to 10.
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Those those teams in each conference play.
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Five, testifies Siri's and then So maybe a team that was three or four games out of the eighth spot can old a sudden surge and find themselves in the playoff spot.
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Yeah, I'm finally getting weird here.
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Here's the thing.
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I think that this is the time to really experiment, because almost no matter what happens here, no one is gonna count this championship as a real championship.
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I just think in history e I mean, we'll count it.
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So you were here on with us still count.
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It will go into the history books as crowning an MBA champion, and I guess you can choose if you want to remember it or not.
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You know, it's similar, maybe to the strike shortened seasons there.
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I think people just look back no matter what happens and say, Oh, yeah, that was the, You know that was the Kobe dear, Like that was the year they get to the summer.
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So I just don't think it's going to be looked at the same ways and the other season.
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I think from that standpoint, it's fine getting a little weird because it because just just just this is not normal cir***stances.
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This is not a regular season.
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This is not gonna count in the ledger of actual championships.
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Maybe I could be proven wrong about that, but I really don't think it's going to be.
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The case is just too strange.
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There's too many factors.
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It's two different, and at that point, yeah, sure you want to get more teams involved, go for it.
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You won't have to.
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These guys can play some board games, get some more exposure because they will benefit.
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I will say they will probably benefit from just having more games to have excuse to be.
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Have you played? Um, I think that the interest is gonna be absolutely through the roof.
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And if that's the case, then you really can't run If we really can't go wrong, just getting more exposure to you know, you mentioned the TRIA.
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Any of these teams that just have kind of star level players but are just relegated to just being on bad teams.
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It's not bad to just get these guys exposure to in something that you know is gonna have a lot of eyeballs on it.
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Well, and the first team this will this will carry us right over into a topic.
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I know you can't wait for about trade rumors and the Brooklyn Nets, but it seemed like the pelicans, right? Who get bags? Ion Williamson.
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They're not in the playoffs right now, but if you expanded it and let them mix it up with some of those bottom steeds and maybe you end up getting them into a playoff series like that could be to the benefit of the entire league in general and to the benefit obviously of Zion Williamson or Bowl, you know, anger of all these guys getting science, really Just getting side I like.
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That's like that would be that that has to be.
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Part of their thinking is he sucks.
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Um, he's just about to make the ascension.
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He was just having, like, on a per minute basis.
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Just may be the best rookie season ever, so I know he didn't didn't get the play very much, but I do to be a lot of incentive.
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Just at least get a few more games out of him if you could, because he's such a he just primed for supers****om, you know, as long as he can stay healthy.
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So I think I think that alone could be a motivating factor, and I just I want to double check because when you look out there in the West, where do they fall everywhere I look for you together.
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They were really close.
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Three games back of Memphis.
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Yeah, three games back of Memphis for the eighth seed, Portland ahead of rate now.
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So good change.
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But I will say it's gonna change happens the shortened season.
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But at the time that the end the league stopped.
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I'm pretty sure their playoff percent chance of making the playoffs was the highest of those three teams because of their remaining schedule.
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It's gonna change now because they don't play that they just lose 12 games.
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That's just not gonna be something that changes.
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But, um, I just I think that they did have the highest chance to make it.
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Um, if you based on, I think it was 5 30 that, as like with remaining strength remaining schedule in the fact that they probably just with Zion, had the best team of that group.
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So one of the one of the players, I guess the veteran leader, technically of that pelicans team is holiday.
00:11:30
I got into it, not into it, But I had a discussion with with Keep McPherson and with Matt Brooks last night about now, the of course, the re emerged rumor that the Brooklyn Nets have had internal discussions about trading for Radley deal.
00:11:43
We've talked about this on the podcast before, about how Bradley Beal and Aaron Gordon, or just the two names that that seems to be forever linked to the Nets.
00:11:54
I don't even want to say too much beyond just teeing it up for you.
00:11:58
Of How much do you love this? This possibility.
00:12:02
How much does Signori want? A piece of the field of Brooklyn action so over talking about that they brought it up like this.
00:12:08
Just like to avoid a content that well, what you gonna do.
00:12:10
But it's like one.
00:12:13
There's almost no chance of it happening.
00:12:16
The only Nets fans think there's no other pertinent.
00:12:18
I think there's no real people out there that should headed by the way, internal discussions.
00:12:23
You can have internal discussion, but I just see that that's that really is pretty meaningless to May.
00:12:28
I just don't see why Washington would do it.
00:12:30
They went pop, committed on his contract last year and made him making it so it couldn't even be traded this season with the way they signed the contract.
00:12:39
He's an absolute Maxfield, he said.
00:12:40
He wants to stay in Washington.
00:12:42
Well, may I came to you have time to talk about this.
00:12:44
He's the same age as Caris, Levert.
00:12:45
I don't know why they would do that, okay, and he's better.
00:12:47
So there you go.
00:12:49
He's better than the vert, and he's just more tied to the franchise already didn't when he is older than him, I think so.
00:12:56
It's like I'm just throwing out of the names that people like talk about creating.
00:12:59
Then it's like klaxon.
00:13:00
Okay, you just you want to trade? Throw Guy the Claxton to a trade on A Why Washington would do it.
00:13:05
Let's have a bunch of the other team's draft picks never very good, because they, most of them are picks from teams that are basically playoff round to protected.
00:13:11
So it's not even like these draft assets are incredibly valuable.
00:13:14
I just don't even know why they would do. It's OK.
00:13:16
That's first, and I just every time it comes up Oh my God, what Washington is not gonna do it.
00:13:20
They hang up the phone every time with these deals to is.
00:13:23
Actually, I don't think it's sort of more importantly about what we're Nets.
00:13:28
Nets fans seem to be totally honed in on third star third start.
00:13:32
So here we need 2/3 in Third Star.
00:13:34
Okay, maybe that's true.
00:13:38
And stop me if I've said this 1000 times the pockets But I guess is the news is new SportsCastr crew, so we can I can go into their one.
00:13:45
You need the third star kind of thing when you have Golden State at the height of its power.
00:13:50
That was where that this idea came from.
00:13:51
Is that all you need? These third? Well, that seems no longer around.
00:13:54
Durant's on.
00:13:55
That's what he's with us now so that theories doing these teams don't actually have third starts.
00:14:00
A lot of murders to start teams and good other pieces.
00:14:04
Adults around L a both l A teams, right? Those those the two that come to mind, Obviously, with the stars, you can go down the list of however you wanna say who were stars.
00:14:14
You want to say Luca and stabs her a star tandem? Okay, that's fine.
00:14:17
You want to say, Jonathan so much of a star that he actually needs pieces a few other pieces around them? Um, there's clearly not a second superstar unless how, no matter how once you wanna rank Middletown there on, then these other teams.
00:14:28
Boston is kind of like potatoes becoming a star.
00:14:32
They have lots of other very good players, so it's not clear to me that, like just adding this third, stars like this automatic path of victory.
00:14:40
And ultimately, you have to of let's call them at if they're playing their best two of the top 10 scores of basketball on the team already in Kyrie, Irving and Kevin Durant and that you could actually probably go a little higher.
00:14:53
I'm just being very safe by saying Top 10.
00:14:56
You don't need 1/3 guy who just scores.
00:14:58
At this point, you don't need more scores.
00:15:00
Bradley Beal is an absolute turnstile in defense.
00:15:02
He maybe you want to say, Well, that was the scheme they played in Washington.
00:15:05
So they really concerned the defense.
00:15:07
Why should he be concerned? The defense and no one else was playing defense in that team.
00:15:11
So why should he be the irises busting it like they were letting allowing just an ungodly amount of points per 100 possessions were like the worst all time I believe into the season.
00:15:20
You just This is not a good complement.
00:15:22
I don't even think from a skill set thing.
00:15:24
Do you want to just try to outscore everybody? Okay.
00:15:25
You gotta have at that point, you better have two guys.
00:15:28
They're absolutely delete defenders, not even just like get by guys, elite defenders because you were compromised.
00:15:33
Transferred defender.
00:15:34
But you've compromised so much on the defensive end, in the name of storing, I just doesn't make sense from any.
00:15:39
No, there's no angle of it.
00:15:40
This make that make sense for me? Well, that's why when we had the discussion and it's like on the face, or would you want to have Bradley Beal? Great.
00:15:46
I love talented players.
00:15:47
I think I started to defuse the conversation yesterday by saying, Yeah, I wanted one Anthony Davis Next year when he's a free agent.
00:15:54
I mean, we're talking about having a good time.
00:15:55
I'd love to have, you know, LeBron on the team like, let's I'll throw it any name you want.
00:15:59
It's exciting to have on there and I think that that was really the thing to me, because the idea of having regard to didn't deal of having 1/3 guy that's purely a score, at least on paper.
00:16:08
Whether or not like you said scheme fit, maybe he could do more for you.
00:16:12
Having three incredible scoring talents on your on your roster is fantastic, but at some point, especially indeed playoff runs, you're going tohave to D up, and at that point you're really talking about putting Kevin Durant in the biggest spotlight to probably have to make the biggest defensive plays for you that's under silly.
00:16:29
That's a bad thing.
00:16:30
But when you don't have any of your other two biggest pieces really able to stymie guard position, that's gonna be putting Kevin Durant and at least a slightly more difficult situation to be defending against some of the quicker or better guards in the league.
00:16:42
It just seems like you're lining yourself up toe, have incredible regular season success and then not necessarily know how to accomplish the ultimate goal of winning a championship.
00:16:51
Right? Because here's the other thing about that list of two superstars that I made before.
00:16:55
Almost every other superstar that I mentioned is either is either competent or up to elite and defense.
00:17:02
Right? Okay, so, like you add the LeBron, can he turn the defense? Somebody wants to.
00:17:07
Yes is A and E.
00:17:09
Davis is top three or four defenders, all basketball.
00:17:11
Jonathan is probably the best defender at all.
00:17:12
That's the wall, right? These, like Paul George and qy r elite defenders quiet might be like the find, the best wing defender basketball, right, so like these are star guys with their that are already just basically all two way.
00:17:24
Kyrie is not right, so this is okay.
00:17:27
I'm not saying this is not a path to victory.
00:17:29
He's already won a championship, so it's it's not.
00:17:31
It's not that it's not a path.
00:17:33
It's just that you really you really need to make up for some of this stuff on the margins.
00:17:38
And Bill just doesn't strike me as that guy and so it's not.
00:17:44
I get.
00:17:45
Everyone falls in love with the superstar thing.
00:17:47
There's levels of superstars and there's weight and because when you fall out of this top range of these top guys, defense really, really matters.
00:17:57
Averaging defense simply can't put their heads around it, so I just sometimes like streaming to avoid.
00:18:02
But this we'll do a podcast about guys and I'd be happy to sign that.
00:18:07
We don't need to do on the stream here like I've been liberal down basically like low rent sort of guys that like might fit the That's really, really well, um you know, people were in love with Wahba the season because he was insane defender, and he probably was a guy that could play against Kyrie.
00:18:22
Maybe in some big time situations.
00:18:24
He was just that good of a defender.
00:18:26
There are other some guys like that out there that I think you're gonna be not Nets names Nets fans are excited about.
00:18:31
But I'm just I'm over the Bradley building.
00:18:32
That's why I think I just did my 10 minutes on.
00:18:34
I explain it.
00:18:36
Can't explain it any better.
00:18:37
This is just not a good fit.
00:18:38
Don't get life.
00:18:39
You're I want to just sell the farm to bring this guy in it next.
00:18:42
If you want to walk in tomorrow for, like, even a Max contract, you want to come in.
00:18:46
You know it's trip anything else out, Sure, but the court, where you start shipping stuff out for a guy I don't think is a great fit, I just doesn't make sense.
00:18:52
Well, that's piece of to not regard.
00:18:55
Regardless of deal himself about the idea of going out for any player to put together a trade package, you can examine some of the guys on the roster and, you know, disseminate who has more value if you're a little redundant with dignity behind Kyrie Irving.
00:19:09
Okay, fine.
00:19:10
But the Nets, relatively speaking, have some nice depth on this roster as currently constituted.
00:19:15
So this idea of depleting that to go get a player to turn around specifically one that isn't necessarily defensive minded.
00:19:23
Then you're talking about, okay, when he needs to come off the floor and you had to sacrifice whatever the Garrett Temple, you have to sacrifice Spencer Dinwiddie.
00:19:30
You have to sacrifice Wilson Chandler, you have to sacrifice maybe Jared Allen in order to make that happen.
00:19:35
Now you're talking about how do you fill out the rest of the roster again to make sure that you have some players and come on the court gets in those defensive stops the the pelicans tired and I This is the name that I kind of threw after I got the consensus from the guys was, You know, if you want to get a guy that's around 26 27 years old, get holiday for the pelicans and I don't think again three.
00:19:55
Caf, caf, any of these moves? By the way, other teams around the league have far more attractive assets than the Nets do in order to accomplish one of these trades.
00:20:02
But if I was going to go target someone who's going into the last year as two years left on his deal, that's the guy that I go get because he does what you need.
00:20:10
He plays elite level defense, and maybe we can save him as being the cream of the crop is.
00:20:14
You said about going to some of these defensive players defensive minded players that you could take a look at, but that I don't know why.
00:20:21
Deal or Gordon or some these other names get mentioned so much more more prevalent Lee than these other players that today is your point.
00:20:28
Fit, fit the need.
00:20:29
If you're going to get somebody kept silly, that solves a problem.
00:20:32
Not that creates extra value at a position.
00:20:35
You've already kind of salt.
00:20:36
Yeah, I I just I just simply don't get it. I have been just stuck.
00:20:40
I think they're stuck in one thinking.
00:20:42
Bradley feels like a top 20 basketball top 20 player in the league.
00:20:46
It's not. I'm not positive. That's the case.
00:20:48
It's probably close, but it's not.
00:20:49
AmeriCorps definitely isn't but the, um it just it just they get stuck with the same names.
00:20:54
It's just, It's it's one is that a lot of these teams are different trajectories of where they want like no one's going to shop.
00:21:03
No team is gonna ship some young, really good player for nothing.
00:21:07
But that's just not gonna happen to go with your gut.
00:21:08
The lop off a certain percentage of just guys who were even readily available and then when the list and the list is kind of drives up after that.
00:21:17
That's why I felt that Gobert's when we talk about Gabeira found that to be really interesting.
00:21:20
I was okay.
00:21:21
It's gonna see that this is actually fits the needle leads an elite defender.
00:21:24
Um, he's not a total zero on offense, only most because you could kind of just and his true shootings up there.
00:21:30
I mean, the Andres is, too, but like he just is so much something better defender.
00:21:34
But this is where this is where I've been really gravitating.
00:21:36
It's just like this elite level.
00:21:37
I just that people just don't Davros basketball fan just doesn't mean they don't go bare, but they just they see Bradley Beal.
00:21:42
This he is dropping, like 27 30 point tonight, and they're like, Wow, we need that.
00:21:46
And it's like I don't know.
00:21:47
I mean, it's just not really how a lot of these teams are built.
00:21:50
I know for sure.
00:21:51
Uh, we'll get out of here on this, which is, um I did not.
00:21:56
I did not run this past you before we got on here.
00:21:58
I know are familiar with the n b A in general.
00:22:00
So no, Unfortunately, I talked about it with with Simeon Russell earlier today.
00:22:06
Jerry Sloan passed away earlier this morning.
00:22:09
The 23 year head coach for the Utah Jazz and I just from ah, when I started thinking about a Zen looked into him a little bit was he did a great job of evolving his coaching style and pulling threads from the seventies as you move through the eighties, and that that the Temple of the game started to change.
00:22:27
He had that flex offense system that he worked in.
00:22:30
He's very adaptable.
00:22:31
And even after Stockton and Malone let Stockton retired below left, he surged back with Darren Williams and Carlos Boozer and 1 50 plus games and got to the playoffs again at the back end of his coaching career, Woman's Popovich retires.
00:22:46
That was actually compared to him and then kind of thought that was my comparison bug advice.
00:22:51
You can work that comparison, but just the idea that look like you know Spoelstra is 10 years is 12 years in with the Heat.
00:22:57
But just, you know, the longevity of coaches.
00:23:00
There's something about, for the most part, are coaches ever gonna get that type of stretch where it is you're achieving, You're going to playoffs.
00:23:09
Never won a championship playing at a high level one, I think.
00:23:12
50 Game 50 plus games.
00:23:13
15 seasons out of his 23 on Lee had one sub 500 season, but just the willingness to stay committed to a coach and say, OK, we'll tweak will adjust will adapt as opposed to Remember Kenny Atkinson was the longest 10 year coach in the new engine in New York before he got let go by the Nets.
00:23:28
So that speaks to how much how much wiggle room you have before the axe comes down, says Hey, listen, like we had a goal in mind, It's championship or bust.
00:23:37
Do you think we're gonna find that.
00:23:38
That's kind of going away.
00:23:39
And obviously, with pop maybe being the last standing tenant event, we need a lot of things to break right for you.
00:23:45
You need to be great, coach.
00:23:46
First of all, um, I don't have too many thoughts on Jerry Sloan, to be honest with you, but, I mean, in terms of coaching, in terms of coaching piece, you need to be a great coach.
00:23:55
So that is standard.
00:23:57
There's a couple guys I could see maybe getting there like Steve Kerr. Brad Stevens.
00:24:02
You already mentioned Spoelstra.
00:24:04
You need that Locke over, right.
00:24:05
You need to have a pretty stable organization just to start like the top down organisations or good owners and then good GM and then last.
00:24:15
But you need to win.
00:24:16
Obviously the so whatever won't everything you want to say it comes from whichever one like, if you want to say stability and organizations, what helps you win, then? Okay.
00:24:25
But you know the fact that Kerr has now been at it what, like eight years? I think like that.
00:24:30
You said that Spoelstra eyes up there.
00:24:32
Stevens is relatively young, but that's another one of those organizations that feels just like pretty steady and has a at least a plan going forward.
00:24:39
And he just considered one of the best X's and O's coaches in the game anyway, so that's gonna help him.
00:24:43
I think that probably helps him last through some lean years.
00:24:47
You know, the cur, obviously.
00:24:48
Is this a track record that it was kind of known they were just gonna tank this season and he lived in the tank, and then it's gonna come back and the longest, maybe step is there, which, I mean, I can't imagine they let him get away at any point.
00:25:00
I think that, like there are some of these guys that have the possibility those are the three that come to me at the top of my head.
00:25:05
I don't think I would have said Small struck the top of my head until you reminded me that he's been there.
00:25:10
But it's that such a crazy set of cir***stances right where he's there.
00:25:14
And then they bring in the Big Three and in the big tree leave, and they kind of don't ever break things up completely.
00:25:19
But then they have a new set it, But the fact that he's coach with so many different styles and so many different layers.
00:25:25
That and Miami is one of those really stable organizations that Riley and these guys that just, um, they just don't have.
00:25:32
There's not tons of turnover When it comes to management, they have a philosophy that they all kind of stick to.
00:25:38
So those are the guys that come off the top of my head.
00:25:39
It's as me thinking that, yeah, they can.
00:25:42
They can maybe make a run at this if they want relatively young to that helps to.
00:25:46
None of these guys are overwhelming little that Stevens is really excuses like he's like it's mid thirties.
00:25:50
I think, um, so you have same same career plan tended me, just got away from me kind of proper s'more at this point. Mayor Bradley.
00:25:59
But this kind of we'll make a list of your side and then we'll kind of evaluated to be and I don't want, just jump out and say right away it's them.
00:26:06
It's that I haven't looked at Look at the full breath of of our accomplishments.
00:26:10
I don't presume it's me.
00:26:11
I mean, I don't presume it's him or may just yet, but I was just That was kind of the thought that it took me with because once pop goes the said those handful ample of coaches and they need because even a guy like Nick Nurse, I I feel like he's He's given himself right, but I mean, like, he's given himself that that baseline.
00:26:28
But you don't know if that organization, if that franchise is going to stay at a relatively high enough level where at some point you don't just go like if you're Nick nursing, just like I'd rather go somewhere else.
00:26:40
Like I'd rather I'd rather be somewhere else.
00:26:41
Not even that That organization.
00:26:43
Just as a note, that organization fired the coach of the year three year, the guy who won coach of the year, Dwayne Casey.
00:26:49
They fired him and hired Nick Nurse.
00:26:51
So style talk to get their rights like so the most Anything, like some sort of accolades, will keep you around like he made the West Eastern Conference finals.
00:27:00
One Coach of the Year and they're like, we got a bit.
00:27:02
We got someone better than you think. It was the right call.
00:27:04
Nurse won a championship so Yeah, you can say it's wrong.
00:27:07
I'm just saying that like, it just doesn't I'm just by the way, I was just scrolling down some of these teams.
00:27:11
You can automatically right off any bad team in this conversation.
00:27:14
So that's the basic, Basically, the end of that, I guess, like Doc Rivers is interesting.
00:27:19
Um, but like he's relatively young with L.
00:27:22
A.
00:27:23
And we're gonna blow it up like Kawai Mpg.
00:27:26
Don't don't re sign that.
00:27:27
At the end of those contracts, that team could be looking really grisly because they gave up.
00:27:31
They gave up everything to get Paul George.
00:27:33
So I don't even know that there's a chance that, like, Doc, they get to the end of this.
00:27:38
These guys move on, and that's kind of the end.
00:27:40
Quinson has been around the Jazz for a while.
00:27:42
He's interesting, I suppose.
00:27:43
But at some point you kind of got you kind of got a win.
00:27:45
So I'm gonna keep my list.
00:27:46
Is the then remember to keep my list as Stevens, Spoelstra and Kerr and courage probably.
00:27:53
Well, look real quick.
00:27:54
How long is my coach? But the current work I It was the best chances long steps.
00:27:57
He's healthy.
00:27:59
Yes, the is interesting that you said him cause I guess he's such a guy that I'm curious about.
00:28:03
I'd almost be curious to see if Clay Thompson did seem like Draymond Green would be the guy, the 1st 1 to kind of go from there and that contract.
00:28:12
It looks like an enormous block of cement around the franchises ankles at some point.
00:28:16
But if you still had just Steph Curry, you're gonna have to do other things and at some point to be able to judge, quote Steve Kerr on what he accomplishes as there's a real level of turnover there.
00:28:29
After having basically just super level stars there, Katie comes and helps you want, helps you win a couple and it goes out the door.
00:28:35
So how do you interested if you have to go through it even at any of the bills? Yeah, he's only been there.
00:28:39
Six here, if I thought was longer.
00:28:40
Um, so it's and I was there for the fun.
00:28:44
I have this idea that he's probably tied pretty closely to stuff at this point, right with like, um, that I can see is being, you know, Azaz one goes, the other goes at lake or the more more tired the stuff.
00:28:56
So I don't see why you never want to leave.
00:28:59
Leave coaching if you have this guy with the connection they have.
00:29:01
But that's what they would probably keep someone in my mind keeping around the longest one retreat for, ah, country for Clay Thompson.
00:29:08
Take that.
00:29:09
I think that's not Draymond Green.
00:29:10
Don't want that.
00:29:13
Well, I'm walking around thinking it.
00:29:14
Well, walk around thinking about Max contracts I'd love to have on the roster.
00:29:18
Now there's another name out there. Listen, we will.
00:29:20
We'll tie a bow on it with that man.
00:29:21
We covered the gauntlet from Spencer Dimwit.
00:29:23
He's breaking news Teoh to the coaching longevity that the signori's lady it We'll follow us here, obviously is.
00:29:30
We're doing basically to a week with Doug and myself.
00:29:33
Breaking down some of the topics both for the Nets and then even broader around the ND A next next week on Tuesday will be recording next Pockets episode will get a little bit more insight as to how Doug Nori's life and career stacks up against Brad Stevens.
00:29:48
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00:29:49
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00:29:58
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00:30:00
Go drive my truck around in circles like a man, like a real man.

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