and welcome back once again to the one giant podcast after a little bit of a delay here, letting some of the dust settle from the DeAndre Baker situation.
And obviously this is a little bit of a low here during the NFL off season right now around the league as we welcome everybody until it lets some people get on board here in the room.
Ah, this is a time when the NFL, especially during the pandemic, is now progressing towards trying to work out opening up some of these facilities around the league.
Obviously, state by state, it's going to look a little bit different, not yet fully to the point where you can expect, you know, full rosters to be in the building together.
This is just about facilities opening up and giving selective amount of players to come in, work out separately, maybe with some training personnel.
Well, not too similar what the MBA has been discussing as they ramp up on their side of things in order to get back to full of what will be playoff action for them and then in the NFL.
Obviously, we're talking about just trying to get back two off season programs and maybe start to move towards what would be a normal training camp or some form of a normal training camp.
As we look ahead into August, you know when preseason should be a coming into full gear as well.
But obviously, as we highlighted there, the top, DeAndre baker, the dust settling on that situation in a lot of ways, things have taken a lot of twists and turns.
And and I got on the podcast and discussed the possibility of what if, you know, if DeAndre Baker was found guilty of some of the charge that processed still has not been.
Nothing has been confirmed here, though Ah, lot of the information that has come out on the back end is made this very, ah, very murky situation.
I would say, You know, initially, all indications were just the initial wave of information that DeAndre Baker was at a party with Dunbar of Seattle.
You know, guns were gun was brandished.
Baker instructed someone to shoot one of the people, one of the party attendees that was not followed through on on the back end of this.
Now you know, especially Baker's attorney has come out and made very strong statements saying that yes, while he was there certainly has been photos that were put up on social media, saying, You could see DeAndre Baker, holding a gun theater knee, addressed the fact that there's tattoo show on that individual, which would not be DeAndre Baker.
They assess the story that Baker was.
In fact, they're playing video games.
Something happened in the other room Baker left.
Ah, there's also been a little bit of issue between the attorneys representing both Dunbar and Baker as some of what Dunbar's attorney has cast Baker in a negative light or certainly turned the spotlight back on him as far as maybe in culpable in some way, all indications seem to be that this is progressing towards a scenario where Baker is going to, from a legal standpoint, not necessarily face any repercussions for this.
Obviously, the attorneys also come out and said, um, you know, quote scared straight for DeAndre Baker.
Maybe this was a a best of a bad situation for Baker, where he realizes that he was in the wrong place, Wrong time, whatever his involvement, whatever level it may have been, too.
Assuming that he didn't actually have any direct involvement in this.
It's just a judgment decision.
And though I disagree with the framing that his attorney used to say he could be the next Ray Lewis or the next Ray Rice, I don't know if the context you necessarily want to put it in.
But I will say Ah, least on the surface what you're really saying is that I put the situation where something may have occurred.
You get lucky enough, toe, have yourself he found innocent.
And do you avoid any issues going forward? Ray Lewis, obviously able Teoh get himself on a on a better path after an early career incident.
Ray Rice curdle a bit later in his career, and obviously that was it for him.
Never found his way back into the NFL and by all accounts, though, has also turned his life around to become an advocate against domestic abuse.
He and his wife remain together, you know, sought counseling, etcetera.
So, ah, you know, maybe that's the case.
Touch back on what we discussed on the podcast and and and I really went back and forth on this quite a bit because the first thing that Andy brought up and fair fair to bring it up.
And like we said, we both addressed it with the idea of if this if these allegations are true.
But he focused on the character issues, the red flags that came up during the scouting and drafting process.
I agreed with him that when you have a college that doesn't necessarily sing the praises of a player coming out who's supposed to possibly be a first round talent, that is certainly a concern.
However, big difference between red flags quote unquote from from a ah motivation standpoint from a dedication standpoint, whether or not he is the smartest player in the league or if he's going to need some extra attention when it comes to learning the defensive playbook, learning what his role and expectations are, that's fine.
And that could be a concern that you have.
And you could make the case as we did on the podcast, that perhaps you don't want to be moving back up into the first round to get a player like that.
That being said, it's a big difference between that and then having other off the field issues or character issues when you talk about, ah, arrest, record something, even as a minor that he had run ins with law issues off campus or outside of the practice field or the practice facility at the college level, where other indications that he was verbally or physically abusive, with a significant other with other people with other students none of those things came up.
And when we addressed it on the podcast, I the same kind of thought process just to say that it's easy for a lot of this information.
Call now, a lot of speculation to roll out now.
But the time of the draft that was not what was discussed.
What was discussed was a quality player and is included in some of the back end discussions here in the past handful of weeks that on paper on the field would you get from DeAndre Baker.
Everyone would sign to have him on your team.
It was there were some level of concerns.
Just about the mental a***en around football specifically, and just a dedication.
Is Dr His focus.
As we discussed it, the way I looked at it, at least going back to the draft was was the thought process being If you're a day of gentlemen, you say we moved back into this fifth right into the back of the first round of the fifth year option on the Andre Baker.
What that means is we're gonna get an extra year of control on him at a pretty reasonable price.
So even if we think he's gonna need some coaching up some adjustment, just some refocusing.
If we can work those kinks out over the first year, maybe a little bit more than a year, Ben, on the back end of it, we're going to get a real value on a player that could be a legitimate number one in this league.
Did he struggle early in the season? 100%.
Look around the league.
Most young cornerbacks tend to have a learning curve on.
While you can say that it has struggled the back end of the season.
Everyone was speaking highly of him that he started to make some of those adjustments.
You know, it's easy.
The last piece specifically about this incident is that it's easy to tell the sudden turnaround.
Say oh, well, he was bad last year. Terrible.
Picked by Gettleman.
You got to see the red flags.
You know, etcetera.
However again, fans coaching staff.
Everybody was starting to turn around on him towards the back.
In the year after they'll be 10 game, he came out instead.
Got to spend more time in the film.
Have gotta dedicate myself.
There's some level of interest in learning more about what better was doing in utilizing him because he is a press cover corner and to be using him in zone schemes with outside of what his skills that is best suited for.
Go back to the Joe Judge press conference, where he said, My ghoul mine plan here is to put players in the best position to do what they excel at and to minimize situations where they're not doing what they are best at.
So, you know, again, with a clean slate coming back in, I would expect to see continued development from Baker, and I was excited to see how this season was going to progress.
Now put that aside, even if he is cleared of all allegations here, and there is, there's nothing to this beyond just, you know, wrong place, wrong time scenario, you're still gonna face something from the league.
And more than likely, I would assume it's going to be a game or two because it's still player conduct.
So you're still gonna face something from the NFL and from get down.
What that starts to open up is other players on this roster specifically sand deal or maybe even truly in love.
One of these two guys is going to get an opportunity if bankers to miss, time to move right in there to a starting role.
We batted around the idea of wood the Giants bring in a Logan riot.
No, too expensive.
Would they look to bring in a couple of other free agent guys at this point? I think, especially if it is a couple of games you're gonna miss Baker for.
I think you'll live with what you have, and also, by the way, you're getting a chance to see someone else and see if they've developed Sam Beale, who we spend that compensatory third round pick on.
You know that was a cost.
There's a price tag on him suffered from some injuries, I think again, not too similar to Baker last year, struggled early, started to show some signs of development on the back end of the season in a new defensive scheme under new head coach in Joe Judge.
This is really gonna be interesting toe watch.
If we had traditional training camps, you baby gets in better insights.
But if now that again, another.
If if there are preseason games and you start to get a look at some of these players, is Julian Love coming down out of that safety position that we saw him utilized in last year? Now that you drafted Xavier McKinney and Peppers will be coming back from his injury? If so, is he in equal competition? And at what position are you talking about? Down in the slot, nickel or dime packages where all these pieces gonna flex around? And in the absence of DeAndre Baker, you will get an opportunity to see.
For the most part, Julian Love was protected, wasn't put on the field too early and then due to injury cops in there and he looked pretty strong.
So there's still a question mark about whether or not there could be extended value for a player like him in the cornerback role.
So that means now that you're saying you can have an open competition, they're going forward with him and Baker, even when bigger comes back.
Samuel being the other piece here, and in the absence of Baker, all these guys are going to get reps on the field.
Corey Valentine, obviously coming off that injury as well he's played last year, struggled up and down.
But all of these guys are going to be out there on the field over the first couple of weeks.
If you're down a man, and that's going to give you a chance to really assess them and see going through this upcoming year and then into the following off season, where do you stand on these players? Baker.
When he comes back, if he comes back, we'll need to show that the development is continuing for him and by the end of his second year show that it looks like he's going to be a very strong candidate as a number one and then behind them.
Sam Bill, This is his maker, breaking or certainly, and then the question for Julian Love is going to be versatility.
Where can you line up how much Can you be moved around here? Toe? Offer some flexibility based on down and distance for this defense of unit.
These are things that will obviously be keeping an eye on.
But it will be interesting to see how the baker situation finalizes and how the league response to it.
And then once that has been taking care of, how does he come back? We've already seen the videos of him going right back to work, looking to refocus, get back in on his training.
Hopefully, this is the straight and narrow for him now, where he avoids any of these situations off the field.
Because, as we saw through the draft and free agency a really high ah, high bore set in terms of high character guys, These are a lot of former captains of their teams campground, even a later round draft pick, Captain, another linebacker taken there in later rounds, Captain of his unit as well.
They're going to be on maybe special teams.
Some of these guys not silly Cam brand.
But these guys are going to be asked to fill rule.
I will say, you know, Darnay Holmes is gonna be the other candidate here, though considered to be a guy you want in the slot.
Theoretically, you may see over those first couple of weeks of the season a player like him get his fair shake outside.
Because if you catch lightning in a bottle, if he looks strong, kind of the way Julian loved it when he was inserted into a starting role there late in the season.
Great, you chalk it up, you move forward now.
You think? Well, I have homes.
I'll have Baker if he's back and committed, and everything is taking care of their And now we start to really develop a strong unit in behind Bradbury over these next few seasons.
Beyond that, the other thing that will just touch on here before we get out the door is just the general sense around this team.
As far as key players that they lost and key kick players that they gained, you know, defensive side of the bowl.
I know a lot of the speculation is that they didn't do enough.
Maybe in free agency.
I think when you combine free agency and the draft, you start to see this vision come together off young, focused high character players, of course.
And then, really, just even if it is moderate upgrades, you're still making upgrades.
You know, Bradbury is an upgrade over generous Jenkins from last year.
Who was your number one corner? You're talking about upgrading at the linebacker position through Blake Martinez.
You're talking about at least bringing in additional help.
In fact, RL Zimin is should improve this year.
This is going to make or break maybe for a guy like Lorenzo Carter, you go across the defensive line mawr of the familiar faces.
They're probably where they didn't make big leaps.
But again, back into the draft year, where you get some other edge. Rush help.
A guy like Carter Coughlin, who I'm very high on coming into this season, I think he could be, Ah, the proverbial Darius latent.
He could be a Ryan Connolly, though healthy.
Let's hope ah, you know who really is taken in the later rounds and when, given the chance, starts to show real flash and could become a key component of this defense defensive unit.
I'm looking in the range of he gets 30 to 35% of the snaps on defense this year and then develops and into the next season starts to become a starter.
You're moving towards that idea of pairing him, whether on the outside, potentially or taking him inside at times along with Ryan Connolly alongside Blake Martinez.
So you're gonna have some nice depth.
And that was really what this was about.
So I I think the reason why when you talk about the DeAndre Baker situation, it becomes so crucial that he is found innocent.
That he was not guilty of any of these things is because if you take him out the depth, especially in that secondary unit, all of the sudden everybody gets elevated to a higher position.
And even though I may have confidence and say even the homes coming in his rookie year, or or a love to transition, maybe the cornerback same deal on the fence about.
But then you think about a Grant Haley, you think about you know, some of those other cornerbacks that were listed there, especially on the inside of the slot.
These air guys that you really want to see kind of get weeded out.
It's not a knock on Hanley, but, you know, two years proof is in the play on the field, two small, undersized, got beat up a bunch and found himself dropping down the depth chart.
So now all of a sudden, if you were to lose DeAndre bigger for significant time, you're gonna find yourself in a similar situation, at least from the secondary standpoint, from the linebacker and defensive line front.
This is This is an improved unit from a depth perspective, and I think that will show on the field where you're going to suffer less incidents where the defense breaks because you just flat out don't have the extra bodies to spell some of your starters now.
Cam Brown, Carter, Coughlin These were going to be better players toe have on the field when you need to give a Ziman as, ah, down off when you need to give Blake Martinez a down often, don't forget Brian Conley.
If he comes back healthy, that's going to make a huge difference to this defensive unit as well.
We titled This is the DeAndre Baker update and again, by all indications, it looks like things were trying to get a very positive direction for him.
Wouldn't be surprised if he misses a couple of games to start of the year.
Do the NFL conduct policy? But beyond that, this could be a really luck situation for the Giants, where they don't losing.
And then hopefully all you see is just a clear, focused, driven player that wants to be 100% locked in on football.
And that could really change some things.
You know, we highlighted it on one of the episodes of the podcast as well, about predicting winds and loss records.
There was one that came out that had the giant 22 games this upcoming season that that seemed a scene far fetched to me.
We've seen some scenarios where they could go six in 10 maybe even seven and nine.
I think it's somewhere closer to that six win range.
But the interesting factor would be where we were laughing Office two and 14 Idea.
If you lose Baker, you can say, Well, you have you felt about his play last year again back and showed improvement just from a depth perspective.
If you were to lose him for significant time, then all the sudden is he the equivalent of two wins or two losses? Not necessarily But at the end of the day, not having another body, another healthy, active body there in the second Dairy can be the difference between a late game stop shutting down on offense as you're trying to secure a victory up three up seven, whatever the case may be, get forcing a turnover.
That's kind of the key factor they could start to sway these wins and losses.
So as we continue to monitor the Baker situation, we will start to come back in here.
Featured next week on the podcast.
When we'll do some highlights here is well, but Andi Mack, what's and myself are going to be looking around the league and basically taking it, taking a spotlight on the Q B position and highlighting from a salary cap hit to a talent on the field.
Where would you rank? The 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL obviously will touch on Daniel Jones and his slightly north of $5 million salary.
Where does that fall in? In terms of what you're going to get in return on investment, you think about a guy like LaMarcus Jackson, who's making just over $2 million this upcoming season, tremendous value, so it's not gonna be just about that.
Aaron Rodgers is still a great quarterback.
He sure is, and he's making a little bit over 20 million.
So how old those players going to shuffle into it in that hierarchy? And then, additionally, I will come in specifically here on SportsCastr, and we're gonna go ahead and run through the NFC East and give our predictions for full records for all of the Giants, Cowboys, Eagles and Redskins declare our division winner all too early and kind of take a look at where we think the Giants can go in the upcoming season.
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