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Nice little roundtable.
Glad Teoh take on some hopeful coaching candidates and maybe lambaste the Knicks with coach.
I hopefully was.
I don't want to see the Nets get right.
Yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, I want to see how that plays out.
The other thing is obviously without any any live basketball going here for us.
What is there to talk about? But the whole fullness of the returning of sports? There's been a lot of trade conjecture rumors going on and then also looking back right, finishing up with the last dance do***entary.
It seems like everybody wants to explore what could have been in some of these different areas.
So, you know, recently caught some news around the Lakers 0304 championship run that ends up getting derailed by the Detroit Pistons.
And this comes care of Kareem Rush, who apparently I didn't know that someone was to blame for the Lakers not winning that year.
But he comes in and says simply that they outplayed us.
Karl Malone was hurt that Siri's, and I think Kobe selfishly one of the M V P.
I think that they were favored by everybody.
Toe win that Siri's We were favor.
Excuse me to win that Siri's by everyone.
And at the time Shack was coming off those 1st 3 finals MVPs.
So I think Kobe had the mindset that that was his primary focus.
And I think that really issued to get that NDP and we got caught off guard by a better team.
Um, I guess it's on the Circuit City and was this.
There's some of this is that someone need to get blamed for for the Lakers losing that Syria's to a really strong, specifically defensive Detroit business.
Dean, right? I don't think so when you look at it.
The Pistons had, well, four All stars with those teams, right? Chauncey Billups, working on star Rip Hamilton was an All Star.
I think Ben Wallace was an All Star.
I mean that the that team was strong, very strong.
When you look at the Lakers, you know why you had Shaq and Kobe in the edit.
I mean, you know, they tried toe piece together some players, you know so that they can go win a championship.
Was Gary picking on a team that was that.
You guys at the back into their careers trying to chase a ring.
Karl Malone is 18 seasons, and at that point, you know, So you got the same guy that he was, and I think e I mean, if I was going, I never know if you need to blame somebody, But if I was gonna put blame, they probably be saying you probably shouldn't have brought in players like that at their at that stage of their career because it ends up diminishing.
Probably some value of other guys off the bench or other pieces that could have contributed to help Kobe and shack out in trying to get what would have been like. It's their fourth championship.
At the time you mentioned you got Chauncey, you got ripped.
You got, Ah, Tayshaun Prince on air along with Ben Wallace, et al Rasheed Wallace as well.
And this is the Detroit Pistons team that maybe wasn't favorite coming in.
But they were that year 0304 54 28 seconds in the Central Division.
There, you got in the rebound coaching of that.
Also, they were second.
They were second defensive rating.
You know, when I listened, they were 18th in terms of offensive rating points for game against second defensively on Lee, 24th on the offensive side of things.
But in my mind, I just picture a lot of the obviously defensive presence from Bent from bending from the Wallace is your bed.
And Rashid, who then also a Tayshaun Prince, is a real lanky defensive presence.
Will you start it in my mind is Yeah, he's gonna be a problem.
He's going to be able to be a past for for the likes of Kobe Bryant.
Even though you may not stop him, you're still just going to slow him up a little bit.
And I I was just I remember those being really good runs for Detroit.
I don't I don't remember being as the failure of the Lakers, right, Right. Exactly.
They were a cohesive unit.
I mean, one of the only teams an N b A tow win titles with a was such a cohesive team where you didn't have one super duper star or two super duper stars.
They were cohesive unit from Chauncey Billups.
You know, on down Teoh, the 10th man on the bench.
They were really cohesive, really good defensively, very strong world, strong minded.
Um, you know, there were There was just a tough team to be for anyone.
I think they made how many Eastern Conference Finals appearances did that team make was say, because they went there on that nice run.
Obviously won a couple of championships as well, but I don t I had to look up how many consecutive that they want, but they were.
They were the formidable team to have to go through for a chunk of seasons there out of the East.
And you know the interesting thing, I guess if I want to give any credence to Kareem Rush, I didn't look inside the numbers for Kobe Bryant that year in the playoffs, you know, for a postseason and No. Three or four.
You're talking about 22 games, basically a lot, a lot of a lot of similar stat lines.
As far as his career goes, shot opportunities from a 2.
3 point range, Earl Oh, but yes, juggling printer, which again I think, is accredited.
Stevens only shot 20 to 25 from beyond the arc in that post, that's a postseason overalls going inside.
The number you know inside the serious specifically shot 41% from the field overall.
So you're still talking about being in his typical range, though 41% ends up being.
Unless you go all the way back to his rookie season, where he wasn't starting, that ends up being one of his worst field goal percentages in the postseason.
Obviously, the three point shooting is his second worst of his career.
Going all the way back again to 97 98 when he wasn't starting still gave you 24 points, which is just below his career average in the postseason.
I mean, I think sometimes you can also say you have you can have a band postseason or a bad Siri's, and it doesn't have to be about anything that you're getting driven by.
And the other factor that Rush brought up about that idea and pursuing the M V P.
Even in the previous years, that's the Lakers were winning championships.
I doubt if Kobe Bryant wasn't approaching trying to win the finals MVPs then to the fact that shack one that doesn't change the fact that the approach you're gonna have and it makes me think about the last dance do***entary and saying like Michael Jordan came in with the same mentality every every single Siri's, whether or not he was winning NTP's, which he was, the goal is still the same.
I want to play that the highest level.
I want to make the most shots win most games over in another ring.
So I don't know if a mental makeup it'll pivots.
Whether or not we know Shaq and Kobe end up breaking up and Kobe goes on to win without Shack ultimately.
But I don't think that any player at the professional level of the highest level goes into a series thinking I wanna win.
But I also want to do it in a very specific fashion.
I don't think that ever enters.
You feel like that's something that really players air are considering how I want to win a championship, but when it comes down to and you get into the finals appearance, it's still it is championship first, right and then you could be upset or disappointed, then think about what you could have done more of, but I don't know how in a game in a game situation you're going to say, I see Shack is open under the basket to go ahead and give us a three point lead five point lead.
But instead I'm gonna hold on to it because I want to elevate and get and make sure that I get the final shot, whether it's the A low percentage or whether it's the risk of not winning a game, Right? Right.
Um, you know, once you get to that level, you're the n B A finals.
Everything else in nothing matters but winning.
You know, I think that's for all players.
Nothing matters but winning.
If a player it out in the regular season, I could see players doing some things like that during the regular season season. NBP.
I'll do some things to make that happen, right? I could see that happened.
I remember you know, Colby having games where he wouldn't shoot because it was like, you know, you know, Kobe suits too much, so he didn't shoot right point.
So I remember Kobe doing some of those things, but I think when you get to the N B a finals is win at all costs, no matter what happens.
And I can't see Kobe Bryant being the guy to say, Okay, I need to be the M V P.
That might be a goal of Hiss, but I don't think he sacrificed the wing so that he could be the M V P.
Because that only tarnishes your record.
You know, um, listen, Kobe's mentality and the way that he approached the basketball game obviously led to him winning championships later.
Wrong after Shack after Karl Malone and getting pages.
And those guys were, you know, after the old four season, you know, led to him winning championships, so you can't argue with it.
You know, I don't know what Kareem Rush did once he left the Lakers, but you can't really argue with Kobe Bryant's mentality, you know.
And if he took his mentality, listen, he said.
Michael Jordan was a mentor to him right when they met that time in the playoffs, and Michael Jordan, I'm not the playoffs.
The All Star game Michael Jordan showed him I gave him some pointers on you know, the turnaround fadeaway.
I think it was, and from that point on.
He became a mentor, you know.
So if he had that kind of mentality, you know where he got it from.
Got it directly from Michael Jordan.
Oh, and both of those guys went on to win multiple champion championships.
Kobe Bryant five.
Corine Oakley, The Patrick Ewing Right in that exact yet, well, you know it's funny, too, because learning from Jordan, it's like Israel.
Jordan was, and we know takes the final shot of the final game of his career is far.
Chicago is concerned you're winning that championship, but there was plenty of examples about one.
Still, Jackson, Sir, took over.
Learned the triangle offense understanding.
You're gonna need teammates.
You're going to need to trust what the system dictates and looking for an open shooter.
So if you come up underneath Jordan and he starts mentoring you and your following with me that in his career, I think it extends to saying he's your in your mind and then picking shooter spot.
Want to go her own route or you want to get the opportunity as they highlighted the last dance, right? Asking Pippen and Rodman.
What were you thinking as the camp, the court, Get the heck out of the way because I'm sure this is gonna be Jordan shot this time down in that particular situation, we were mentioning just it just to give the information of seven consecutive Eastern Conference finals for that Detroit Pistons unit.
And the funny thing is, too, is like the other backup additional quote that Russia goes on.
The same was they went onto the seven conference finals.
So that was a team that was winning.
Ah, winning team for the ages.
And they had a starting five that was very formidable.
Those were all star calf over.
They had a couple of home of Famers and Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups and maybe even Rip Hamilton.
So they were definitely a formidable team, and they were better than us at the time.
So there's it also throws in the caveat of Okay, So you're saying Kobe could have been blamed for not winning here, but also you came up against a team at that time.
That was probably the better team. Was better.
Find better Total unit Overall, The interesting thing, too, is just a Teoh kind of tie it tight up a little bit is after when Kobe goes on to win those championships with Pau Gasol, and then you get Lamar Odom mixed in there as well.
Again, I think that piece of complementary players that you had around that roster and maybe the mistake made off you think you're getting Cora Malone and Gary Payton at a certain caliber.
But when you don't get the return old, a sudden that the roster doesn't look the same.
And those playoff series in the finals go a lot differently because expectations are balloons hurt there in that Syriza's well, you're also just not getting whatever he was going to give you in his 18th season.
So, you know, listen, the collection of players injuries happen as well.
And then at that point, you're talking about shifting mentality and trying to make up for what you lack and Carmelo, the very least, still a big body.
And I remember saying me he was always a big guy, but he looked.
I remember the size of his arms were later that dude he chose to get very big in a hurry.
It felt like the last and, you know, if you had him on the court.
At the very least, Ben Wallace would have had a neck stra body to have to deal with outside of Shaquille O Neal as well.
So listen, I think this is the nature of the, um it's why maybe Jordan goes down is the goat because he never lost when he got there.
And then you start to think about the collection of players and Scottie Pippen being a top 50 all n b a player, But But this happens.
You know, teams get the pick, their spots and eldest sudden, the right combination of looking.
Geez, you want to argue about what happened with Draymond Green or not, the Cleveland Cavaliers rose up and beat the Golden State Warriors with some good pieces with Kyrie, Irving obviously and Kevin Love and your back, that Syrian thing about Kevin love for as as believers.
As his defense waas, he managed to shuffle those feet and keep himself in front of curry just enough to make it a hard shot.
That happens, And then that's how you win a championship.
And I don't think I never really looked at these things and say outside of maybe J.
Smith and not understanding timeouts and those kind of things for the past, but the most, for the most part, I look at those things.
I go, Oh, man, this team came up and did it not.
What did you not do to lose yourself? That opportunity game? Exactly.
And when you look at those Pistons teams compared to that Lakers team, or at least the the old four Pistons team to the old for Lakers team, those guys were still fairly young young veterans.
When you look at the Lakers, you know, he said, they were aging karma. Long day pay.
They were an older, aging team, Um, you know, with the pieces that they added in.
And then still, I mean, Karl Malone played his role.
But, you know, could he plays role to Ah, the fullest impact.
Like he was saying, I probably not.
But the Pistons wore a team like, you know, they went on to be the Eastern Conference finals.
Plenty more years.
But they were young, they had energy.
Uh, and the Lakers were different, you know, there were different and there were a team.
The Pistons working that rose together and grew together, and you just can't discount that.
So many people wanted to try to throw players on the team you think is gonna work.
I mean, they got to the N b a Finals, you know, for a team that was kind of thrown together with Karl Malone and Gary Payton, whoever else they had on the team, the Pistons grew together.
You know, you know, they grew up together.
And so the continuity, the chemistry was there when it wasn't really there for that Lakers team.
I don't know if you would expect, I guess because they had so many names you would expect.
Yeah, they'll probably win because they got so many names.
But the Pistons had something that the Lakers didn't have and that was chemistry.
Yeah, tat talent for talent sake is one thing, but continuity, chemistry just a team mentality, right? That that can move the needle.
That can take you from being on paper at this echelon and all the sudden the Lakers also you think, laugh.
They should blocking merchant.
But all that experience and that build up for the pistons certainly help push them over the hump that time and got them back there at least one more time over that run and arguing.
Listen for the Detroit Pistons, man.
I mean, that's That's one of the best stretches, even going back to the Isiah Thomas years and stuff.
You know, the bad boys of Detroit that goes down as one of their one of the best stretches for that franchise.
So no shame in it. Kareem Rush. I'm sorry.
I thought you weren't able to get one, but I probably keep Kobe Bryant's name out out your mouth if you're talking about who's to blame.
You're losing that for us.
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Coming up in this afternoon, unfortunately, Ah, sad note around Karl Malone and his first, his first team, the Utah Jazz, and the great Jerry Sloan.
Unfortunately, his passing just coming out in the news today.
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I'm sure he's gonna have just ah, a real retrospective on on Jerry Sloan and where he ranks in the pantheon of the coaches of the N B A.
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