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all right.
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And with that, I believe we are back in Has been a while, man.
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Actually, Adam or breaks your teeth. McPherson.
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There we haven't We haven't crossed paths and a little while here it's been, uh, it's been a lot of good conversations going on.
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A lot of us talking to ourselves.
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Yeah, but ah, I mean, now is the time for the talk.
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The MBA is getting the headlines.
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The NBA's making moves.
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It's it's MBA season for sure.
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Right now, it would be like Eastern Conference Western Conference finals time, I think something like that.
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But ah, yeah, man, let's talk about it.
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Well, you know what? In some ways, Aziz, the as the last day and stock wraps up and you start to feel like what? You know what's gonna happen next.
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We're still in that weird, murky area of when the MBA, when sports and general gonna come back.
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But thankfully, especially from from the Nets fans perspective, there's always a little something coming out, right? Kati Kyrie, Irving, Katie.
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We pick them up, they come into this roster.
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We know we're still waiting for the full boat of players, but we were saying before we dove in on this.
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That once you get Kyrie and K D is certainly to a certain point.
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But it feels like Kyrie is a bit of ah, needle mover.
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You're going to get rumors and speculations and you were saying how they came out during the season? Kyrie made it very clear.
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As this roster is currently constructed, we still need one big piece.
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And now the rumor at least getting out there that maybe this is worth living from the Nets side of it that they have maybe sniffed around this idea of trying to pursue Bradley deal in some form or fashion for the Washington Wizards.
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Ah, on its face or you Are you surprised that this has been kicked up again because this was thrown around a lot over the past.
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Whatever six months or so not surprised at all, it makes perfect sense.
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We've been talking about it for months, and ah, I just think it falls in line with everything else.
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This week we get the N b.
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A news that June 1st teams can start recalling players and Orlando's most likely going to be the site of the return.
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So everyone's talking MBA, MBA, MBA Two days ago, Kyrie Irving posts that image on his instagram of him on a basketball court with some sneakers.
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And it's like, Okay, I guess.
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Guess the shoulder is good.
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Kyrie is back at it.
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Kyrie, like you said, he's like the centerpiece, especially like behind the scenes.
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Yeah, he's got the ball in his hands, but he's making moves on the court, off the court, I'm telling you, he's pushing buttons, and that's why we're talking Bradley Beal again.
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And why not bring Ah, bring Bradley Beal over it? He's gonna be part of this big three.
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He doesn't want to be in D.
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C with John Law anymore, right? Well, so Okay, so thinking our teeth into this possibility of creating the Big Three in Brooklyn with Deal, uh, mobiles come out several times.
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I was since in the past season or so and said he doesn't want to go anywhere now.
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Most players say that wherever they are, you know, the Washington has John Wall coming back from an injury, still another year under contract for Bradley deal.
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So from Washington's perspective, even if you were thinking about making the move, maybe you'd be waiting closer to trade deadline of next season to really figure out who? Some of the other contending teams that might be interested in a player like deal.
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But you know what? I have just been deal.
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Want to come and be a part of this? But you're talking about a guy that's under contract for 27 million this year, 28 next year.
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So if we're gonna start, first of all, we're gonna talk in this realm of the nets being able to spend 28 million, you know, for you know that you're gonna have to move some pieces.
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So some of this is talking about bringing in the 13 to make sure you can get this done.
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You're talking about Caris, Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jared Allen.
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Basically all of those.
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You know, those core guys the Nets have built around.
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Do you think that Bradley Beal ng We know what his talent is? Are you getting more accomplished as the Brooklyn Nets with Bradley, Beal, Katie and Kyrie versus some form of what you currently have constituted just from a depth.
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And, you know, maybe these ancillary pieces that we talk about because if you make this move for Biel in some way, then you're talking about veteran minimum guys.
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Probably surrounding them at every other position, right? Yeah, without a doubt.
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If you add Bradley Beal to this team and when I say this team, I don't mean the old Nets.
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I mean, Katie Kyrie, DeAndre Jordan.
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Yeah, In the East, you immediately become the favorite to my in my opinion, obviously the books are good Celtics, whatever.
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But that three headed monster that could be a monster that any given night, one of those guys is going off for 40 points or at maybe a couple nights.
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Two of the three go off for, like, 30 40 points.
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I would love to see it.
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It would be unstoppable.
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I mean, it's it's It's a good time to dream as a Nets fan.
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We're going from, you know, the old regime nets scrappy Nets trying to figure it out with guys that aren't blockbuster guys to Now, look, look at how we're spending.
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Our time is Nets fans were debating whether we want a Bradley Beal or not.
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Do we want this Top 20 player in the N.
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B. A. Is a really great here.
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He he dropped 30 some on us in the season, right before he played us.
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I think he played the Bucks and the Clippers back to back, and he broke them off with, like, 40.
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Like, I gotta look that up.
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I'll let you take because I want to look that up, to be exact on that little pull those stats because, you know, how did we call it a concern? Is the bad? It's a bad way to list it.
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When you think about, Do you want you? Said one of the top 20 players in the league.
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Do you want him on their T on your team? I do wonder about the value of bringing another offensive weapon cause, well, you just say there's a case where the Nets score 1 10 and it's just it's just Irving Katie appeal.
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That's the entire offensive Apple.
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You wouldn't even need any other scorers on the roster on the game in a game in and game out kind of basis.
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But if you want a toe poke holes in the games of these players, neither feel nor Irving is going to be a high defensive output guy now it may not matter because you can just be blowing the doors off on the offensive end.
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I think I'm or looking when you go into playoff time, and you're probably right that with those three pieces, you old a sudden get kind of pushed into being the favorites in the Eastern Conference.
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And let's say that you come out of the East with this type of squad.
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If you go on to take the Lakers on that, you're gonna you're gonna come in, you're gonna runs this of issues on the defense event, even just specifically from from Anthony Davis and LeBron James standpoint, you're going tohave matchup issues across the board and then on the other side.
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While these guys are all offensive weapons, they could be at least stymied or periodically shut down by the maximum effort of LeBron James or by the size in length and strength of oven.
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Anthony Davis.
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So, you know, it's weird to think about making a move that would obviously improve the team, but I don't know if it it still approve the championship aspirations, but I don't know if it changes the Pacific matchups that you may face out of the West.
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Yeah, the West is a beast.
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And these guys in the West, they're not going away.
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And as currently constructed Yeah, like I'm very interested to see what LeBron looks like on the court against his former teammate and Kyrie and another guy that's been compared to him a lot through their careers. Kevin Durant.
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There's gonna be a lot to prove when they get on that court.
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And, ah, I think we have the upper hand.
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I think LeBron is washed.
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I think LeBron and A D got to get it this year.
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They gotta figure out how to get this restart.
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Get this chip this year because the MBA shuffles and it and it resets every year what we're gonna do in Brooklyn or what it's looking like we can do if we get a Bradley Beal were definitely taking the East.
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We're definitely meeting someone in the finals and that will play the matchup.
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Then I think it would be worth it if we could figure out how to get this guy on the team.
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I looked it up.
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There were a couple of games this year where he dropped 40 back to back where he was just going off.
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So at the Celtics on the road, he drops 44 on them, then comes back against the Timberwolves, drops 44 on the road and then goes to Orlando on the road and drops 34 then comes home against the Spurs and drops 33.
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Likes this dude, Basically, every night.
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I was just going off and I mean, we've seen it firsthand when he gave us 30 and when we lost the Wizards late in the season, I was like, Oh, we shouldn't be losing two teams below us in the standings right now as we're trying to make a playoff push, We can't be losing two teams that are two teams back from us.
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But Bradley Beal? That guy's the truth.
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I know I'm interested to see what the Wizards do.
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I think they want to try to keep him there because John Wallace coming back.
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John Wall if you've seen him out here, I saw him on Instagram Live where he basically said like he's been making a list and like taking names of like guys in the N B A that went too hard on the Wizards or like slammed it on the Wizards and kind of punk pump their chest out at the Wizards.
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And I'm Mike.
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Okay, John Wall.
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John Wall claims he's gonna be, you know, in the best ah state he's been because mentally he's ah, veteran.
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And now he's had time to rest, and he feels like he's full health.
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Maybe the Wizards want to pair him and Bradley Beal and see if they could make a run for it.
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Well, you know, because one of the other elements of it, too, is you can think about 26 years old for Bradley Beal.
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You know you have these contracts for Kyrie and K D.
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That four year, four year contracts.
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Maybe they come back for second ones.
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You can't guarantee that Kyrie is injury history, obviously.
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So having a player that arguably you could kind of slide in and takeover that Kyrie role for this team and maybe be here longer term and deal is a nice selling point.
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But I think it's it's so what you just said.
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John Wall coming off an injury in Washington wasn't whatever your aspirations are for the Wizards.
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At the end of the day, if you're not sure about John Wall injury history.
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Bradley Beal is this guy.
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He's already done it.
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He's really, really taken over that franchise, right? That is arguably his team.
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Now he stays there, and John Wall is the second piece to him.
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So that's the biggest case.
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Why would necessarily make sense for the Wizards toe? Want to move on from it? Because no matter what, you're gonna get back and back and return it.
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Make the argument about oh, Spencer Dinwiddie tears over any of these players.
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Okay, so some of them were nice pieces.
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But it's the same way that we talk about them on Brooklyn.
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Nice pieces.
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But I don't know if they're the X factor both winning championships or not.
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So why would Washington necessarily look to make that swap third team involved in the deal as well to make the money work, Maybe they get some other pieces involved there as well.
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The other thing that I look at it is, First of all, we're talking about this money.
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So you know the $30 million cap it that you're basically going to be sitting on for Bradley Beal.
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If you were to make a trade like this.
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Some other names that are out there if you're talking about paying people money and some of these guys would cost even more than 28 $30 million a year.
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But you just mentioned the Lakers.
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They're coming off.
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They're going into What is the big run for them? You got a D.
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He's gonna be a free agent.
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Now, you assume that that l.
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A. Is gonna make it in the priority.
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Why not have Katie getting his ear and just Hey, let's just run.
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Let's you know, let's run the option 80.
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Maybe you want to come to Brooklyn and hang out with me and Kyrie and to come, You know, that's a visa of a very appealing three.
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Players can't say it's far fetched, you can't say.
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And if we're talking about Katie getting into someone's ear like we all know, Katie made that move, that people said he should have never done a workout for the guy worked out for us.
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He ends up coming over this way, all right? I don't know.
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I I'm sorry to think more that like you with John Wall coming back there, they're not going to get rid of Beal, right and go younger and builder from John Wall like I don't know.
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We'll see. This is good to talk about. It's fun.
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Teoh dream as a Nets fan, but it might.
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It might be far fetched.
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I think a lot of things would have Teoh have Teoh go a certain way for it to actually happen.
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But, um, I do think Hiree is lobbying for, um the only knows I have for this.
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I went back and found the like How low Post Game interview where Kyrie says, It's pretty glaring, like we need another piece or two.
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He said something along the lines like we need, like another piece or two.
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These are the names he said.
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He said, Um, we need like he listed names like We need the pieces to go along with Kevin Durant.
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DeAndre Jordan, Garrett Temple, Spencer Dinwiddie carries liver so on Those guys made Kyra Rees stay list.
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Now these air people on Tyree's cut list by just like not having enough time to name or guys Taurean Prince, which you can go.
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Jared Allen. The throw.
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I don't know.
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I'm 50 50 on him.
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Joe Harris, not Joe Harris stays Nick Klaxon, Of course.
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Nick Clacton.
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Claxton stays, uh, does on Mousa.
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Uh, he can go roadie.
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Cool roots.
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I don't really have ah feeling about roadie anymore.
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Theo Pinson, I think the dancing in the the guy like I don't think Kyrie and Katie needed.
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Like, I really don't think that's gonna be a priority anymore.
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Chris Geo Za Yeah, we got to see some more of him. Wilson.
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Chandler, you weren't mentioned on.
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Assume you're on your way out too.
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But big side that.
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Who are we trading for? Bradley Beal. Exactly.
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That's the biggest problem.
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When he When you assumed, as you listed, the very least a soon as you list carousel averting two keepers.
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Will he make $16 million next year? So go ahead and let me know.
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You know, let me know where you find the 28 million you won't wanna have Joe hair is there? Which 100% like I think he is arguably the most important piece that needs to be back here along with Kyrie and Katie of the current roster.
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Because of what he gives you from the perimeter, he's gonna cost you about 16 million, 60 million years.
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You'll save a little bit on the bird rights and you'll end up paying more than the average.
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So you're gonna pay him so that right there represents $32 million on, you know, on the top of the 39 $33 million.
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34 million dollar hit for Kyrie.
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So you've already booked up all that kind of money.
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All these other guys like and it's great that Teoh play fast and loose with them, but always other guys outside the Spencer Dinwiddie.
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10 million OK, fake.
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10 million off the cat. Five million for Garrett Temple.
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You can create some space.
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And obviously Taurean Prince would be the one guy that I think is taking a lot of flak.
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Maybe maybe it's because he played out of position, but ultimately, his offensive game wasn't as strong as I think.
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Kenny Atkinson.
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Shaun Marsh hoping it was going to be a swell but even had making 13 million next year.
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You can move on from that, but the only way, whether it's Bradley Bueller, any other big name piece it's going to be You're gonna lose care, Sliver, you know, So you got to wrap your head around.
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Spencer Dinwiddie is being that six man off the bench kind of guy, which I like, and I like him in spite of the fact that he's gotten a little bit weird, hopefully with some of his, you know, go fund me campaigns and what he's trying to accomplish.
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These guys are all with that, like with that right as the next man.
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It's cool.
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It's funny.
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But like when I first saw him doing that, I'm likewise even flirting with the possibility of playing for another team and number that he put out was like 24 million and he raised like, 1100 so it just looked like it just didn't look good.
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Now I'm kind of like I'm kind of leading towards like he can even go.
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He could be in a package deal in someone, and, you know, like you said, like when it's gotta be, it's gonna be centered around caress Spence, probably them both.
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Whatever trade package we get for another superstar.
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So it's funny how, and we're about to welcome in just a very special guest.
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He sees home waiting in the wings, but it's funny to think about how I was so high on my love Spencer Dinwiddie and all of the season Long was just building up how much I appreciated what he's brought to the team.
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And then all of these kind of off the field, the off the court things and some of his others Bitcoin all this kind of call it antics, which is a bad way to frame it. But they are.
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It sounds a little bit, Yeah, it has soured me a little bit, so let's find out.
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There he is as we welcome in the get the N B A.
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Forget it.
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That's right.
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Listen, you don't forget your last change.
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Your last name to end a already first name Matt.
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Last name N B A.
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You were doing some double duty Having some conversations, I think around a similar con topic wavin scratching the itch on this thing around. Bradley deal.
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Um, we're in agreement Keith and I that Yeah, I'll take a Yeah, that's me.
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I'll take deal, But horse.
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But the big push is like it is one of the feasibility of it.
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And then we were just kind of talking about Keith Island back in the middle of the season when Kyrie mentioned the guys that are do it and we wanna have here and that we obviously need this other piece when he threw out the names like DeAndre Jordan KD Caris Levert Spencer, you don't get to keep all the like.
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Those guys aren't on here. Caris. Levert.
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Spencer.
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Did you have to be gone to accomplish a goal like this when we were touching on this as well? So they to get your thoughts on.
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Are you okay? Stripping away some of these other names in order to get a deal in the door? Do you think it moves the needle enough for the nets? Are there other players? Potentially in this theoretical world where we have an extra $30 million to spend on a player where you would want him, You want beyond the door.
00:17:12
But is there other names that could be on the market? I even threw it out there.
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You want you want to get Katie's in someone's ear, get him in eight easier.
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You know, why not try to bring him over to Brooklyn? It's video, but that to me like that to me, is the exact same thing as talking about getting Bradley Beal between what his contract is.
00:17:32
The fact that Washington doesn't want to move him.
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They have.
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And we talked about this, Keith and I.
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The fact that John Wall's coming off injury is older, like deal is the piece to build around in Washington.
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Why would you be put, you know, moving off from him to get back pieces that are never going to amount to the same quality of player? I mean, I think what I was I and I don't know because I wanted to look this up, but I wish I had had a 22 seconds between these two broadcast.
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But I didn't read it.
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Yeah. No, this is it.
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I'm just moving from place to place.
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I got to say, like the thing with the Beale situation is I'm always in favor of, like, trading the asset when they have peak value from both sides.
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So, I mean, maybe from Brooklyn side your you could wait a year and see what the guys that you're sort of sitting on right now turn into.
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But I think that package is pretty attractive.
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There's only other, like maybe a couple of other teams that presents something that Washington would want a little more.
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I throw Denver on the last broadcast.
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I was on just with, like, a package of Jamal Murray.
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Michael Porter. Maybe a couple of pics.
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You can throw a couple of young guys even throw Monte Morris.
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And if you wanted to, I don't know why they would do all of that.
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But if they want to be a good so they could do something like that, I like that destination for them.
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Um, maybe the pelicans could could say, Hey, like, maybe we take Drew holiday in one of these young guys.
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We just seems like almost start covered is a little too full.
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And we have this guy's eye on that we really believe in.
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We have Brandon Ingram, who we like.
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We have long so that we could do something like that and take, you know, I guess do, uh, solve this equation with a little bit of subtraction.
00:19:04
But from Washington side of this and I did this, you know, I'm gonna do this again.
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Not gonna would do not want Bradley Beal to get injured right now.
00:19:14
He's coming off a year where he averaged 30 points per game.
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He's has missed seven games, and I think I looked this up the last three years.
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That's a pretty attractive asset.
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They'd be putting him on the market.
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They could create a bidding war.
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Maybe Brooklyn would just go absolutely bonkers.
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Trade picks after picks at their picks.
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You never know.
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I think for them they actually may want to look at this.
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I mean, what's the alternative? You hope that John Wall is? You know, even what 80% of himself, and run that with Bradley Beal.
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Even if he's 100% of himself.
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What is that really going to do? What are you building for? Um, by the time that some of their young assets, whether you're looking at, like Detroit Brown, a Rui Hatch murrah, move Wagner, whoever you want to throw in there, by the time those guys pan out, you will be 29 30 like, what do you really building for how old is ground wall Right now? He's older than deal right.
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He's like, 28.
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Yeah, he's 20.
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I want to say he's like 29 30.
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Yeah, I would say, might be closer to 30.
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I feel like John Wall has been in the league like nine years of some.
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Yeah, we were talking about how, of course.
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So the thing about the wizard situation, of course, we're gonna think about it.
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One side of his Nets fan and Nets fans and think what we want and what Nets Twitter is talking about.
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But you have wizards, they're not going to get rid of.
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They're All Star and Bradley Beal, who's 26 for, like, younger players that we could potentially offer them like Are they going younger and building around John Wall at 29 40? Like like they're not gonna do that.
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But by the way, don't have a lot of younger players At side of Jared Allen would be the biggest piece, right? Spencer Dignity is 27.
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Caress number is 26 years old.
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He cares about the same age as Bradley Deal.
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So I get I get to your point about getting the best, the best out of this asset that you possibly can if you're Washington potentially before he goes to free agency.
00:21:09
But there are a plethora of other teams that could put together far more attractive packages than we can, and that's I think, probably you money assigned.
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That's the biggest issue for the Nets is.
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We don't have a ZA good crop of players to put on the table for Yeah, I could agree with that.
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But I mean, I think that the the one thing I will say is like, if if they do, if Washington does decide to hang on to deal, this could actually get works like John Wall could come back.
00:21:37
He's a shell of himself.
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They had to either do what the Pistons are doing with Blake Griffin and just keeping them on the shelf until they can either buy him out or just sort of let that contract run out.
00:21:46
Or, you know, they can maybe get him back.
00:21:49
They could lose twice in the first round, and that'd be pretty much it.
00:21:53
And then you're just wasting the duration of having Bradley Veal under an attractive amount of, I guess, remaining salary and really just entering his peak, I don't know, like, what's the upside for them? I Why won't o Donnell? I said this also, earlier, John Law has been talking kind of big he said.
00:22:13
He's got like a Hay is also said that like he feels like he's gonna he's gonna play the best he's ever played.
00:22:19
I know it's talk.
00:22:20
That's what all these guys say.
00:22:21
Like Odell Beckham Jr just said the same thing like a week or two.
00:22:24
But I don't know what makes you think about the Wizard.
00:22:27
It really makes you think about their side and then the rest of the league.
00:22:29
If they're gonna get rid of deal, it's gonna take a lot.
00:22:32
I don't think we exactly have it.
00:22:34
But here's something for you guys to think about because it's gonna happen is gonna change, right? So the MBA shifts every year, and usually we have the playoffs.
00:22:42
We have the end of the season to judge players off of and obviously value them.
00:22:46
What happens when we play this tournament in Orlando and, like, let's say, Caris.
00:22:51
Levert goes off the Brooklyn Nets air carried by Carris over dropping 30 points a game like his value as high as, or is at the high as it's ever been.
00:23:01
You've got to sell your guys when it's the highest time to sell your guys like we might not get a Bradley Beal.
00:23:07
But like depending on what like Spencer does and Jared Allen and carries over in this little summer, Siri's like their value could be high.
00:23:14
We could get somebody else or package of some other guys.
00:23:17
Who knows? Kyrie knows Kyrie is the only one that knows.
00:23:20
No hope, though, is that you get these.
00:23:23
I love Kyrie.
00:23:27
Just this idea like that, that's, you know, it's like like you gotta watch game.
00:23:31
Izzo is going, Uh uh, yeah, no, isn't that the hope, though, is that like you get these guys to play out of their minds.
00:23:40
I don't know what would happen with Kyrie and Katie, but if you have, like a care slivered play, well, wouldn't you want a package him for somebody in that tear that that Brad Beal is in, where he's like I would say, he's one of the best possible, if you really think about it.
00:23:51
Third options in that he can sort of play that Ray Allen role that, you know he played for the championship Celtics. I don't know.
00:23:59
I would remind me a Ray Allen a little bit obviously got the similar look but yeah, you can shoot it.
00:24:03
I mean, he gave it us.
00:24:05
I would love to see it happened.
00:24:06
I just don't I think it's a long way to go for yet.
00:24:09
The idea of Ah Beel Kyrie Katie on the court is awesome.
00:24:15
But well, that's the idea to go.
00:24:17
You talk about Lake and you're right.
00:24:19
Keep that.
00:24:20
If it carries goes off in Orlando and this comes back, it increases all of his value.
00:24:26
And But then we end up.
00:24:27
Being to do is, is evaluate.
00:24:28
And I mean, you talk about from realistically versus much more difficult.
00:24:31
Teoh make what will be another 10 to $12 million a cap space to a comedy.
00:24:37
Ah, Bradley deal, Contract.
00:24:39
But you got carrots at 16 million and we were just saying, You know, if you want to move Spencer Dinwiddie say he looks strong in this tournament and may be on a team that the old bad team that wants a starting point guard you can shift his 10 $10 million.
00:24:52
You can get rid of 15 million for Garrett Temple.
00:24:54
It's gonna reshuffle.
00:24:55
Yeah, and then you start to make you you could make another pocket for that 15 million basically represents Joe Harris. His contract.
00:25:02
If you're gonna really him, you try to figure out what is against, Like, what's the combination off money that I had? Is Caris Levert, Bradley View? No.
00:25:10
But what is the Differ what I need to What do I need to have on my roster High and Caris Levert to make up for what he doesn't give me.
00:25:18
The Bradley deal does.
00:25:19
And arguably, like we're saying, the top of this was defense is the biggest thing, and I and you can talk about how that offense would look in Brooklyn it feel was there.
00:25:28
But Matt, you mentioned, you know, holiday down the pelicans like I would make a case that that that's a guy that I wouldn't hate the Nets trying to figure out a way to get a player like that in the door because he gives you the thing that you desperately wanna have, someone who can pick up the best guard on the other team coming out on the court in the playoffs.
00:25:47
And that's a something that Kyrie Irving or Bradley Beal are gonna dio.
00:25:49
Hiree loves to give you Max effort on the defensive end, but the ratings bear out.
00:25:53
He's not a strong is not a strong defensive presence.
00:25:55
And I I always wait.
00:25:57
I'll I'm always weighing that thing off.
00:25:59
Can you just outshoot people? Right? And maybe I can, like, maybe we can kind reveal It's a very strong case that you can do it.
00:26:05
But if you need to stop, even if you're scoring 1 20 you just need to hold a team to 1 19 will this team be able to do it? Arguably? You could even make the case that that that that biggest responsibility within the falling on Katie shoulders probably just from his notes set, lot size and length and maybe being able to defend multiple positions.
00:26:24
Yeah, I think why, like I mean Drew Holiday is that it's like the classic like perfect fit vs Talent grab.
00:26:30
I think that that's what it kind of comes down to.
00:26:33
I'm in the camp of I'm not sure why the pelicans would move your holiday right now, young team, and all the sudden they could be surging and he could be the veteran that leads them.
00:26:41
Yeah, I don't know why they would necessarily do that.
00:26:44
I actually think like the Wizards may even be more inclined to move deal just because of, like, his pedigree.
00:26:49
Verses like True Holiday.
00:26:50
I mean, he's a he's a star player, but he's kind of like a the ****hest.
00:26:55
I think you can go with, like, a role playing skill set.
00:26:58
So in a way that makes him super valuable toe Whatever team you have, I think they're gonna I mean, what they're sort of would be hoping for in this next couple of years is that they can look like that really early.
00:27:08
Ah, like I guess, if assembly of the really early Okay, see thunder.
00:27:12
You know, you just have all these guys you've looked at a couple times in the draft.
00:27:16
You you've had this, you know, sort of once in a generation, trade with with the with the Lakers so that I don't know why there they would want to trade him.
00:27:26
I could see them, you know, Maybe not next year, but in a couple of years, make a deep dish playoff run.
00:27:32
The Wizards really have no future to me.
00:27:34
I just don't see Well, they don't know the future is going to be wide open.
00:27:40
Congrats, I think.
00:27:42
Right now people are just getting that like nb a summer itch.
00:27:45
You know, like every summer the MBA reshuffles, it goes crazy.
00:27:49
The free agency players end up in different places.
00:27:52
I think the Nets are gonna figure out how to land another player.
00:27:56
I can't put it.
00:27:57
Put a finger on who it is, but it might be someone that hasn't come up on our radar.
00:28:00
But these three guys before I go out when it throws one out there, these three guys have been on the next radar.
00:28:05
Or at least the Nets rumor rate are the whole season.
00:28:09
Who would you want out of the East? Three guys.
00:28:11
Bradley Beal, Drew Holiday.
00:28:16
We're Aaron Gordon.
00:28:17
Ugo.
00:28:20
Yeah, you could You could You could get away from home.
00:28:25
This is twice now.
00:28:26
I did climb minutes, put one cut one.
00:28:29
And what's the one that keeps key three? I don't understand.
00:28:34
I still don't get that three.
00:28:36
Aaron Gordon Drew Holiday.
00:28:39
Who do you want to keep going? Keep 33 This team is currently constructed.
00:28:47
Which one of those big three would you trade for to join our big three with Katie and Kyrie.
00:28:54
Um, so I don't know, OK, I'll just think about this from who fits best, and I'll try to think about it not from like what the other team would want, cause I also get that you could make a case of the pelicans may not really have a need for any of the guys that Brooklyn would be sending them unless, like, care, subvert fits in really nicely with them.
00:29:12
But otherwise, I'm not quite sure if you on that, I actually, weirdly would maybe take your holiday just because of what you're sending out versus what you're getting back.
00:29:21
Yes, I know that deal is better, but is he that much better? I'm not really sure.
00:29:25
I just think for value steak and for what he'd be adding to.
00:29:30
The Nets shoots the three ball Well, obviously defends to have a great passer, so I actually would maybe stick with through all of it, believe it or not, with all that said so, in terms of creating a complete team, they can do everything everything well, in improving the areas that you're deficient in holiday would probably be my bit my best bet.
00:29:52
They're You know, honestly, I I'll trust Kyrie and Katie to take care of the offense and then just bring myself a little more defensive prowess.
00:29:58
Probably yet, Yeah, my thinking exactly was defense.
00:30:02
He's, Ah, lock down, defender.
00:30:03
He's a yard.
00:30:04
You need that, Especially if we're trying to go to the finals and win it like Katie and Cairo.
00:30:09
You're going to score the ball, But we need somebody that's gonna lock down the other teams score.
00:30:14
Um, I would love to see that happen.
00:30:15
I just don't think the pelicans would let him him go it all.
00:30:18
Like he they need to keep him with Zion for as long as they possibly can and see what comes of that team.
00:30:24
I mean, even with Brandon anger to be, I has gone down there and completely changed from the Lakers version in that we saw it.
00:30:30
So what he's able to do, he actually would he put like 40 upon the Nets this year.
00:30:33
I think when the earlier this season we play and I'm like, How is Brandon Ingram scoring at will like this? But yeah, all 300 is gonna be a free agent as well.
00:30:42
Just in case, you know, bring him back.
00:30:44
They'll bring him back.
00:30:45
That gets compared to gay guys.
00:30:46
Play really well together.
00:30:48
I've noticed.
00:30:49
And that is that best thing for pelicans was having was having Zion willing to just come back and give a little taste.
00:30:53
You know, anything left in blood realized holiday.
00:30:57
Like keeping them together and being able to continue moving forward with it.
00:30:59
Keith, are you leaving us? Yeah, man, I gotta run.
00:31:02
Um, Thanks, Matt.
00:31:05
I could give you a couple.
00:31:06
Yeah, they bring it.
00:31:08
Bring it home. But I'll country guys tomorrow.
00:31:10
Or maybe not.
00:31:11
I'll be down the shore so I might not catch you guys until it all coming in my neck of the woods.
00:31:14
All right.
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He left didn't get the actors out.
00:31:28
He's like, Yeah, it didn't matter.
00:31:31
Um, one of the one of the things I figured.
00:31:33
Just be fun to touch on sewers.
00:31:34
You said John, about John Wall. I wondered.
00:31:37
I wondered it does he become the get CP three and just salary dumped and marooned out? You know, arguably any I don't I wouldn't put him on the same level of CBS in terms of what they've done in their careers.
00:31:50
But you know, CP ends up out there in O k.
00:31:53
C.
00:31:54
And then, I mean, does a pretty good job of helping lead that team at least to a playoff berth.
00:31:59
Um, you know, I wonder if John Wool would really do well to be kind of can't quote unquote cast aside somewhere and just have a chance to be the veteran guy on a team of relatively young players.
00:32:13
And maybe if he stays healthy, it's the kind of leader he's already kind of in that, though, like he's, I feel like he's if they get rid of Billy's kind of in that perfect situation for him, where it's a low stakes, kind of, I guess, atmosphere.
00:32:27
Will they get a deal yet? Yeah, so I mean, and I mean, even with feel like you have a guy who's gonna carry the offenses, you sort of figure things out.
00:32:35
I don't think it's a pretty good situation for him no matter what, I would keep him if I were them.
00:32:39
I mean, unless somebody is suddenly super high on on John Wall.
00:32:42
But that camp is everything from from the Wizards from him from, you know, their, uh their I guess.
00:32:49
Like, uh, PR staff letting reporters come in and film his workouts cause there's been a couple articles like that.
00:32:56
It really seems like they're trying to pump up the hey, Brad deals where the John Wall is gonna be good trained, by the way, because I think like it.
00:33:04
Something you were touching on there is.
00:33:06
If you're Washington, you know, how good can you be? What can you accomplish in the East if you're Washington, you probably want to everything you can do to keep deal, obviously, and then you arguably, unless you get lucky with a draft pick or something, are you going to get a better if healthy assets and John Wall like this is probably the best two players that you can think about having right now.
00:33:28
And I don't know what names you would look at in that free agency class next year where you would say, OK, you have those two big contracts.
00:33:36
Um, you know, you got Gordon.
00:33:38
Hayward is gonna be out there, possibly assume he goes back to Boston.
00:33:41
Maybe, but he's kind of a big deal in injuries.
00:33:44
Bogdanovich will be out there, even listen, I I you know, put it out there.
00:33:48
But even a guy like Joe Harris is going to be on the market potentially from Brooklyn.
00:33:52
Like, if you're Washington, you probably say, OK, we'll take our chances that wall comes back healthy.
00:33:58
To your point, we know we have an incredibly healthy, dependable Bradley Beal.
00:34:02
If we can find a way to get a piece into the door here like, Okay, maybe we could be a 65th seed in the East.
00:34:08
And if you can do like there's these tears two franchises, right, Like there's goals based on what market urine.
00:34:14
If you're if you're the Washington Wizards, I think you'd be pretty happy behind closed doors to say, What are we? If we could be a five, sometimes a four seed, consistently year after year in the playoffs? That's an accomplishment, right? If you're if you're Brooklyn, if you're in New York if you're away, well, that's not enough, right well you have. We have expectations.
00:34:31
Or if you're it seemed like the Bucks right now who have a guy like Johannes, then you say, Yes, we're in wind down move because we don't know what's around the corner.
00:34:38
Same thing like Toronto, right? We'll do whatever we have to do to bringing Hawaii letter to get us a championship to maximize, because we know at some point when this thing kind of breaks apart, it could be a decade before we reassemble again, right? Well, I think that's the thing with Washington.
00:34:53
Is Washington is one like it's like it's weird because they're thrown into, like, this small market category, but it's actually really cool, like the season awesome city.
00:35:00
Why I think that and weirdly like their tendency to roll things over and sort of accept that 56 seed.
00:35:08
You know, fate year after year is kind of what keeps them in that mold.
00:35:13
Like they just their behavior is of a small market team.
00:35:17
So if I'm them, I'm like, Hey, we're in a really cool city, like if we're able to configure this correctly and and rebuild the proper way and not just roll over and over and over and over again, like you guys have.
00:35:28
Brad.
00:35:29
Bill, you had John Wall. Unfortunately, John Wall got injured.
00:35:32
Brad Beal is a great player, but you're suddenly your assets aren't really there.
00:35:37
You traded them in years past for pieces, whether it's like a a Bogdanovich or whoever you want to throw in there.
00:35:42
Uh, e whatever this this I would I don't want to say you guys screwed up, but if you change your GM, things happen.
00:35:52
It's that that championship basketball that we thought was gonna happen in 2017 2018 or at least they thought that, uh, it didn't happen for them.
00:36:00
So, um, I I actually I'm wondering, like with where Washington d.
00:36:05
C is.
00:36:06
There's There's around, like where the nationals.
00:36:08
When they first started, they weren't necessarily like this, like Barkey, you know, big market team.
00:36:13
And now they've totally change the perception around them.
00:36:16
I think there is a way that they could do that.
00:36:17
It's and it's kind of what the Nets are trying to do, ironically enough, and make themselves that I mean for years and years and years after, you know, Even when they added the You know Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce shortly after everybody.
00:36:29
You know when they go to 1919 there first, uh, however many games and I never really got that much better from there, you know? Didn't really change their perception of being sort of a smaller market team, almost so I I think that might be the way for them to change their fates.
00:36:45
Yeah, and I mean, listen, the Brooklyn Nets models needs you.
00:36:47
Want a point, too? Because we're were inside it.
00:36:50
It's so much.
00:36:51
But that idea.
00:36:52
Listen, take, take, take the three seasons.
00:36:54
Take on, take on some of the like if they treated John Wall right now, regardless of result.
00:36:59
If they treated him like the bloated contract they took on from another team Yep.
00:37:05
And over the next 2 to 3 years try to just taking those assets and swap things out and rebuild their quote culture.
00:37:12
And then, no, they're gonna come to a point where they have maximum cap room, say, on Bradley deals.
00:37:17
Next contract, you bring back by the railways getting 27 28 fresh max deal for him, and then you get to go out and chase a couple of free agency free agents and arguably Bradley deals.
00:37:28
You say, Look, we got Bradley deal don't like, come play with him And I wonder if that's attractive enough for some guys.
00:37:34
Maybe even high second to your guys Say, okay, if you get too high second to your guys that maybe aren't Max contract players to come in there with Bradley Beal, you could probably move the needle, you know? I mean, I don't know if it's and I was thinking about leaving out like the the Hassan Whiteside to have, like, tried to wreck limit themselves a little bit.
00:37:53
Or the Andre Drummond's.
00:37:54
They're getting dumped from Detroit over to Cleveland, Like or the other, a couple of bigger bodies that might make sense to get in there with them.
00:38:00
If you go small is a If you get away from John, Wall would advance.
00:38:04
Fleet makes sense to maybe go after free agency.
00:38:07
Typically, you don't just think about targeting some of these guys and see if you can move the needle.
00:38:11
I I don't know from a global MBA perspective.
00:38:14
We'll get out of here on this because, you know, listen, isn't one thing.
00:38:17
It's late at night.
00:38:18
I have nothing but time really did come from a global Indian perspective.
00:38:22
It's weird.
00:38:23
I think you bring it up about how you get teams into these tears of classes about what they can accomplish.
00:38:28
You know, Golden State Warriors were almost kind of like the perfect example of I don't remember ever thinking about that until all of the sudden.
00:38:36
Yet they drafted staff.
00:38:37
They had Clay, they had Draymond and this thing just bubbled up.
00:38:40
It felt like seemingly out of nowhere, like they were behind my mind from behind the scent of the Sacramento Kings.
00:38:48
You know, I was like, Yeah, alright, going.
00:38:50
Say words are out there so and they're in a major enough market being in California.
00:38:53
But I think you get these teams into certain tears, and it's just like saying, Well, Orlando now, years ago, when you had you had check for a minute, then you had Penny.
00:39:03
You did a couple of good things.
00:39:04
Understanding Gundy.
00:39:05
Well, this sudden, like Orlando, becomes this kind of way.
00:39:08
Don't ever really be.
00:39:09
It's and it's weird how perceptually it seems to be ingrained like unless you are a major market team expectations fall by the wayside.
00:39:17
And the only thing that pivots that is being Milwaukee when you have yon is like you need tohave literally ah, freak in the game in order to change how people feel about some of these satellite markets around the country.
00:39:29
I don't know, you know, Is that Is that more perception than reality? I guess is that you know, the question that I'm curious about I mean, I think it depends like I you know, I think that if you're looking at it with, like, the, you know, whether you want to get from a business opportunities perspective or you just like if you want to live in like a really vibrant city, uh, I mean, I you know, I have been to Milwaukee.
00:39:53
Woman's have been to Washington, D.
00:39:55
C.
00:39:56
Once. I would just assume that, like Washington, D.
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C.
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Is probably a little bit more interesting from an n b.
00:40:02
A player that wants to, you know, enjoy the nightlife and have business opportunities.
00:40:05
So I think that there are different classes of that.
00:40:08
Like if you're comparing like the Milwaukee and Minnesota to, uh, you know, like a like a watching chin or what's another great, I guess.
00:40:17
Use the war here.
00:40:18
Is there something like that? Miami is another good one.
00:40:21
Chicago will be great again. Please.
00:40:23
Like that.
00:40:24
Those places all right, I think a different level than the actual really small markets Indiana for is another good one for that.
00:40:29
Like so I do think there's different levels of it.
00:40:32
I think there's like the obviously big big market teams.
00:40:35
New York.
00:40:36
Uh, the L A Lakers.
00:40:37
The Clippers, I guess, Uh, the guy said, the Knicks already.
00:40:41
Then there's a step down, like really cool cities live in.
00:40:44
Um, some of them have achieved a little bit more success than others, but I could absolutely seeing the ones that haven't may be achieved as much success jumping up, you know, maybe maybe half a level.
00:40:53
And then there's the actually, like, really small market teams.
00:40:56
It was like that.
00:40:57
We're going to be the prime candidate, right to be like the Amazing Place. Yeah.
00:41:00
Yeah.
00:41:01
It was a young team that grows all of a sudden, like maybe they can cement themselves. Yep.
00:41:05
Yeah, it is interesting to think about it.
00:41:07
I think the other difference to is then, if you're a major market, how you run the business from whatever the ownership group standpoint, I think if you're a smaller market, you may look at it as it's about.
00:41:20
Let's make a profit right, Like this business, we want to make money, and that's the first approach.
00:41:25
And the winning can sometimes be secondary.
00:41:28
When you're in a major market, there's expectations there, like fan bases, want the championship, and you have to deliver on that at some point.
00:41:36
Otherwise, you really like the next you get destroyed because you're just this inept franchise, whereas if you're the pelicans and you bubble up a little bit, it's kind of like, Oh my God, how exciting.
00:41:46
Yeah, all right, well, that didn't work out.
00:41:48
Okay, See, I think is a great example of that.
00:41:50
Very, very like rampant fan these.
00:41:53
But if it goes away from there as long as O.
00:41:55
K.
00:41:56
C.
00:41:57
Can find the sweet spot of being a playoff team and getting a little extra revenue, that's really the goal for them.
00:42:00
They always wanna have some little, you know, mild star caliber player there in order to attract fans, but but that's the difference to was, like just the pure business side of it.
00:42:08
I think that takes a lot of it from from market to market.
00:42:10
So that was a real bummer note to end things on.
00:42:13
Ah, and the end of the day, when you think about Bradley Beal, do you sign off on that? If the Nets can accomplish it is that makes sense.
00:42:20
Like visit years like yes, Like who cares? Well, we will deal with it and on the back and whatever else you need to dio Yeah.
00:42:26
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:27
If you can spend 100 will be, Ah, $110 million on three players on your roster for the next couple of seasons in Brooklyn.
00:42:36
I don't care if you get 40 million for, for for DeAndre Jordan, I know you.
00:42:42
And then you throw in a couple of $10 million price tag for that guy and then you'll have you'll have ah Spencer demon making 12 in a couple of years to So, listen, this is the price you pay when you bring in superstars, and I don't mean that negatively, but this is what happens.
00:42:55
You start to look at the landscape and you try to find these players that you can target because it is about got this window lock in the championship, You accomplish the goal, failed to do so, and then everything's gonna be about.
00:43:06
You could have gone and after and gotten Bradley deal.
00:43:08
Why didn't you try to make that move? So I think that's why a lot of these rumors pop up there.
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I'm trying, right street a lot.
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They want They want people to write articles.
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Then you gotta have some sports.
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So shame on the country really is just for not bringing it back, But we're having a lot of good conversations around the stuff.
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I can't wait for the Aaron Gordon speculation to ramp up.
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Then we can come right back in and and try to see how that beautiful peace would fit in to the Brooklyn Nets roster.
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Thanks for joining me, Matt.
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We will be back, of course, as always, talking MBA action.

Rumor: Nets eyeing trade for Bradley Beal to form Big 3 with Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving

The Brooklyn Nets have internally discussed avenues of acquiring Washington Wizards superstar shooting guard Bradley Beal, per Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News. The Nets are looking for a third star to pair next to Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Beal fits that bill, as he’s one of the best scorers in the […]

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all right.
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And with that, I believe we are back in Has been a while, man.
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Actually, Adam or breaks your teeth. McPherson.
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There we haven't We haven't crossed paths and a little while here it's been, uh, it's been a lot of good conversations going on.
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A lot of us talking to ourselves.
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Yeah, but ah, I mean, now is the time for the talk.
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The MBA is getting the headlines.
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The NBA's making moves.
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It's it's MBA season for sure.
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Right now, it would be like Eastern Conference Western Conference finals time, I think something like that.
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But ah, yeah, man, let's talk about it.
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Well, you know what? In some ways, Aziz, the as the last day and stock wraps up and you start to feel like what? You know what's gonna happen next.
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We're still in that weird, murky area of when the MBA, when sports and general gonna come back.
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But thankfully, especially from from the Nets fans perspective, there's always a little something coming out, right? Kati Kyrie, Irving, Katie.
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We pick them up, they come into this roster.
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We know we're still waiting for the full boat of players, but we were saying before we dove in on this.
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That once you get Kyrie and K D is certainly to a certain point.
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But it feels like Kyrie is a bit of ah, needle mover.
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You're going to get rumors and speculations and you were saying how they came out during the season? Kyrie made it very clear.
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As this roster is currently constructed, we still need one big piece.
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And now the rumor at least getting out there that maybe this is worth living from the Nets side of it that they have maybe sniffed around this idea of trying to pursue Bradley deal in some form or fashion for the Washington Wizards.
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Ah, on its face or you Are you surprised that this has been kicked up again because this was thrown around a lot over the past.
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Whatever six months or so not surprised at all, it makes perfect sense.
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We've been talking about it for months, and ah, I just think it falls in line with everything else.
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This week we get the N b.
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A news that June 1st teams can start recalling players and Orlando's most likely going to be the site of the return.
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So everyone's talking MBA, MBA, MBA Two days ago, Kyrie Irving posts that image on his instagram of him on a basketball court with some sneakers.
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And it's like, Okay, I guess.
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Guess the shoulder is good.
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Kyrie is back at it.
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Kyrie, like you said, he's like the centerpiece, especially like behind the scenes.
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Yeah, he's got the ball in his hands, but he's making moves on the court, off the court, I'm telling you, he's pushing buttons, and that's why we're talking Bradley Beal again.
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And why not bring Ah, bring Bradley Beal over it? He's gonna be part of this big three.
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He doesn't want to be in D.
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C with John Law anymore, right? Well, so Okay, so thinking our teeth into this possibility of creating the Big Three in Brooklyn with Deal, uh, mobiles come out several times.
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I was since in the past season or so and said he doesn't want to go anywhere now.
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Most players say that wherever they are, you know, the Washington has John Wall coming back from an injury, still another year under contract for Bradley deal.
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So from Washington's perspective, even if you were thinking about making the move, maybe you'd be waiting closer to trade deadline of next season to really figure out who? Some of the other contending teams that might be interested in a player like deal.
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But you know what? I have just been deal.
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Want to come and be a part of this? But you're talking about a guy that's under contract for 27 million this year, 28 next year.
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So if we're gonna start, first of all, we're gonna talk in this realm of the nets being able to spend 28 million, you know, for you know that you're gonna have to move some pieces.
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So some of this is talking about bringing in the 13 to make sure you can get this done.
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You're talking about Caris, Levert, Spencer Dinwiddie, Jared Allen.
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Basically all of those.
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You know, those core guys the Nets have built around.
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Do you think that Bradley Beal ng We know what his talent is? Are you getting more accomplished as the Brooklyn Nets with Bradley, Beal, Katie and Kyrie versus some form of what you currently have constituted just from a depth.
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And, you know, maybe these ancillary pieces that we talk about because if you make this move for Biel in some way, then you're talking about veteran minimum guys.
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Probably surrounding them at every other position, right? Yeah, without a doubt.
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If you add Bradley Beal to this team and when I say this team, I don't mean the old Nets.
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I mean, Katie Kyrie, DeAndre Jordan.
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Yeah, In the East, you immediately become the favorite to my in my opinion, obviously the books are good Celtics, whatever.
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But that three headed monster that could be a monster that any given night, one of those guys is going off for 40 points or at maybe a couple nights.
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Two of the three go off for, like, 30 40 points.
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I would love to see it.
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It would be unstoppable.
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I mean, it's it's It's a good time to dream as a Nets fan.
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We're going from, you know, the old regime nets scrappy Nets trying to figure it out with guys that aren't blockbuster guys to Now, look, look at how we're spending.
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Our time is Nets fans were debating whether we want a Bradley Beal or not.
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Do we want this Top 20 player in the N.
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B. A. Is a really great here.
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He he dropped 30 some on us in the season, right before he played us.
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I think he played the Bucks and the Clippers back to back, and he broke them off with, like, 40.
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Like, I gotta look that up.
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I'll let you take because I want to look that up, to be exact on that little pull those stats because, you know, how did we call it a concern? Is the bad? It's a bad way to list it.
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When you think about, Do you want you? Said one of the top 20 players in the league.
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Do you want him on their T on your team? I do wonder about the value of bringing another offensive weapon cause, well, you just say there's a case where the Nets score 1 10 and it's just it's just Irving Katie appeal.
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That's the entire offensive Apple.
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You wouldn't even need any other scorers on the roster on the game in a game in and game out kind of basis.
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But if you want a toe poke holes in the games of these players, neither feel nor Irving is going to be a high defensive output guy now it may not matter because you can just be blowing the doors off on the offensive end.
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I think I'm or looking when you go into playoff time, and you're probably right that with those three pieces, you old a sudden get kind of pushed into being the favorites in the Eastern Conference.
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And let's say that you come out of the East with this type of squad.
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If you go on to take the Lakers on that, you're gonna you're gonna come in, you're gonna runs this of issues on the defense event, even just specifically from from Anthony Davis and LeBron James standpoint, you're going tohave matchup issues across the board and then on the other side.
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While these guys are all offensive weapons, they could be at least stymied or periodically shut down by the maximum effort of LeBron James or by the size in length and strength of oven.
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Anthony Davis.
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So, you know, it's weird to think about making a move that would obviously improve the team, but I don't know if it it still approve the championship aspirations, but I don't know if it changes the Pacific matchups that you may face out of the West.
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Yeah, the West is a beast.
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And these guys in the West, they're not going away.
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And as currently constructed Yeah, like I'm very interested to see what LeBron looks like on the court against his former teammate and Kyrie and another guy that's been compared to him a lot through their careers. Kevin Durant.
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There's gonna be a lot to prove when they get on that court.
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And, ah, I think we have the upper hand.
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I think LeBron is washed.
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I think LeBron and A D got to get it this year.
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They gotta figure out how to get this restart.
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Get this chip this year because the MBA shuffles and it and it resets every year what we're gonna do in Brooklyn or what it's looking like we can do if we get a Bradley Beal were definitely taking the East.
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We're definitely meeting someone in the finals and that will play the matchup.
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Then I think it would be worth it if we could figure out how to get this guy on the team.
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I looked it up.
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There were a couple of games this year where he dropped 40 back to back where he was just going off.
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So at the Celtics on the road, he drops 44 on them, then comes back against the Timberwolves, drops 44 on the road and then goes to Orlando on the road and drops 34 then comes home against the Spurs and drops 33.
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Likes this dude, Basically, every night.
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I was just going off and I mean, we've seen it firsthand when he gave us 30 and when we lost the Wizards late in the season, I was like, Oh, we shouldn't be losing two teams below us in the standings right now as we're trying to make a playoff push, We can't be losing two teams that are two teams back from us.
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But Bradley Beal? That guy's the truth.
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I know I'm interested to see what the Wizards do.
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I think they want to try to keep him there because John Wallace coming back.
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John Wall if you've seen him out here, I saw him on Instagram Live where he basically said like he's been making a list and like taking names of like guys in the N B A that went too hard on the Wizards or like slammed it on the Wizards and kind of punk pump their chest out at the Wizards.
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And I'm Mike.
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Okay, John Wall.
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John Wall claims he's gonna be, you know, in the best ah state he's been because mentally he's ah, veteran.
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And now he's had time to rest, and he feels like he's full health.
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Maybe the Wizards want to pair him and Bradley Beal and see if they could make a run for it.
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Well, you know, because one of the other elements of it, too, is you can think about 26 years old for Bradley Beal.
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You know you have these contracts for Kyrie and K D.
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That four year, four year contracts.
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Maybe they come back for second ones.
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You can't guarantee that Kyrie is injury history, obviously.
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So having a player that arguably you could kind of slide in and takeover that Kyrie role for this team and maybe be here longer term and deal is a nice selling point.
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But I think it's it's so what you just said.
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John Wall coming off an injury in Washington wasn't whatever your aspirations are for the Wizards.
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At the end of the day, if you're not sure about John Wall injury history.
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Bradley Beal is this guy.
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He's already done it.
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He's really, really taken over that franchise, right? That is arguably his team.
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Now he stays there, and John Wall is the second piece to him.
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So that's the biggest case.
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Why would necessarily make sense for the Wizards toe? Want to move on from it? Because no matter what, you're gonna get back and back and return it.
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Make the argument about oh, Spencer Dinwiddie tears over any of these players.
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Okay, so some of them were nice pieces.
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But it's the same way that we talk about them on Brooklyn.
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Nice pieces.
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But I don't know if they're the X factor both winning championships or not.
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So why would Washington necessarily look to make that swap third team involved in the deal as well to make the money work, Maybe they get some other pieces involved there as well.
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The other thing that I look at it is, First of all, we're talking about this money.
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So you know the $30 million cap it that you're basically going to be sitting on for Bradley Beal.
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If you were to make a trade like this.
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Some other names that are out there if you're talking about paying people money and some of these guys would cost even more than 28 $30 million a year.
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But you just mentioned the Lakers.
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They're coming off.
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They're going into What is the big run for them? You got a D.
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He's gonna be a free agent.
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Now, you assume that that l.
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A. Is gonna make it in the priority.
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Why not have Katie getting his ear and just Hey, let's just run.
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Let's you know, let's run the option 80.
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Maybe you want to come to Brooklyn and hang out with me and Kyrie and to come, You know, that's a visa of a very appealing three.
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Players can't say it's far fetched, you can't say.
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And if we're talking about Katie getting into someone's ear like we all know, Katie made that move, that people said he should have never done a workout for the guy worked out for us.
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He ends up coming over this way, all right? I don't know.
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I I'm sorry to think more that like you with John Wall coming back there, they're not going to get rid of Beal, right and go younger and builder from John Wall like I don't know.
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We'll see. This is good to talk about. It's fun.
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Teoh dream as a Nets fan, but it might.
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It might be far fetched.
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I think a lot of things would have Teoh have Teoh go a certain way for it to actually happen.
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But, um, I do think Hiree is lobbying for, um the only knows I have for this.
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I went back and found the like How low Post Game interview where Kyrie says, It's pretty glaring, like we need another piece or two.
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He said something along the lines like we need, like another piece or two.
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These are the names he said.
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He said, Um, we need like he listed names like We need the pieces to go along with Kevin Durant.
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DeAndre Jordan, Garrett Temple, Spencer Dinwiddie carries liver so on Those guys made Kyra Rees stay list.
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Now these air people on Tyree's cut list by just like not having enough time to name or guys Taurean Prince, which you can go.
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Jared Allen. The throw.
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I don't know.
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I'm 50 50 on him.
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Joe Harris, not Joe Harris stays Nick Klaxon, Of course.
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Nick Clacton.
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Claxton stays, uh, does on Mousa.
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Uh, he can go roadie.
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Cool roots.
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I don't really have ah feeling about roadie anymore.
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Theo Pinson, I think the dancing in the the guy like I don't think Kyrie and Katie needed.
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Like, I really don't think that's gonna be a priority anymore.
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Chris Geo Za Yeah, we got to see some more of him. Wilson.
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Chandler, you weren't mentioned on.
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Assume you're on your way out too.
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But big side that.
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Who are we trading for? Bradley Beal. Exactly.
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That's the biggest problem.
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When he When you assumed, as you listed, the very least a soon as you list carousel averting two keepers.
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Will he make $16 million next year? So go ahead and let me know.
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You know, let me know where you find the 28 million you won't wanna have Joe hair is there? Which 100% like I think he is arguably the most important piece that needs to be back here along with Kyrie and Katie of the current roster.
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Because of what he gives you from the perimeter, he's gonna cost you about 16 million, 60 million years.
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You'll save a little bit on the bird rights and you'll end up paying more than the average.
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So you're gonna pay him so that right there represents $32 million on, you know, on the top of the 39 $33 million.
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34 million dollar hit for Kyrie.
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So you've already booked up all that kind of money.
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All these other guys like and it's great that Teoh play fast and loose with them, but always other guys outside the Spencer Dinwiddie.
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10 million OK, fake.
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10 million off the cat. Five million for Garrett Temple.
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You can create some space.
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And obviously Taurean Prince would be the one guy that I think is taking a lot of flak.
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Maybe maybe it's because he played out of position, but ultimately, his offensive game wasn't as strong as I think.
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Kenny Atkinson.
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Shaun Marsh hoping it was going to be a swell but even had making 13 million next year.
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You can move on from that, but the only way, whether it's Bradley Bueller, any other big name piece it's going to be You're gonna lose care, Sliver, you know, So you got to wrap your head around.
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Spencer Dinwiddie is being that six man off the bench kind of guy, which I like, and I like him in spite of the fact that he's gotten a little bit weird, hopefully with some of his, you know, go fund me campaigns and what he's trying to accomplish.
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These guys are all with that, like with that right as the next man.
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It's cool.
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It's funny.
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But like when I first saw him doing that, I'm likewise even flirting with the possibility of playing for another team and number that he put out was like 24 million and he raised like, 1100 so it just looked like it just didn't look good.
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Now I'm kind of like I'm kind of leading towards like he can even go.
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He could be in a package deal in someone, and, you know, like you said, like when it's gotta be, it's gonna be centered around caress Spence, probably them both.
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Whatever trade package we get for another superstar.
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So it's funny how, and we're about to welcome in just a very special guest.
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He sees home waiting in the wings, but it's funny to think about how I was so high on my love Spencer Dinwiddie and all of the season Long was just building up how much I appreciated what he's brought to the team.
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And then all of these kind of off the field, the off the court things and some of his others Bitcoin all this kind of call it antics, which is a bad way to frame it. But they are.
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It sounds a little bit, Yeah, it has soured me a little bit, so let's find out.
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There he is as we welcome in the get the N B A.
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Forget it.
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That's right.
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Listen, you don't forget your last change.
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Your last name to end a already first name Matt.
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Last name N B A.
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You were doing some double duty Having some conversations, I think around a similar con topic wavin scratching the itch on this thing around. Bradley deal.
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Um, we're in agreement Keith and I that Yeah, I'll take a Yeah, that's me.
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I'll take deal, But horse.
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But the big push is like it is one of the feasibility of it.
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And then we were just kind of talking about Keith Island back in the middle of the season when Kyrie mentioned the guys that are do it and we wanna have here and that we obviously need this other piece when he threw out the names like DeAndre Jordan KD Caris Levert Spencer, you don't get to keep all the like.
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Those guys aren't on here. Caris. Levert.
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Spencer.
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Did you have to be gone to accomplish a goal like this when we were touching on this as well? So they to get your thoughts on.
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Are you okay? Stripping away some of these other names in order to get a deal in the door? Do you think it moves the needle enough for the nets? Are there other players? Potentially in this theoretical world where we have an extra $30 million to spend on a player where you would want him, You want beyond the door.
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But is there other names that could be on the market? I even threw it out there.
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You want you want to get Katie's in someone's ear, get him in eight easier.
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You know, why not try to bring him over to Brooklyn? It's video, but that to me like that to me, is the exact same thing as talking about getting Bradley Beal between what his contract is.
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The fact that Washington doesn't want to move him.
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They have.
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And we talked about this, Keith and I.
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The fact that John Wall's coming off injury is older, like deal is the piece to build around in Washington.
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Why would you be put, you know, moving off from him to get back pieces that are never going to amount to the same quality of player? I mean, I think what I was I and I don't know because I wanted to look this up, but I wish I had had a 22 seconds between these two broadcast.
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But I didn't read it.
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Yeah. No, this is it.
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I'm just moving from place to place.
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I got to say, like the thing with the Beale situation is I'm always in favor of, like, trading the asset when they have peak value from both sides.
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So, I mean, maybe from Brooklyn side your you could wait a year and see what the guys that you're sort of sitting on right now turn into.
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But I think that package is pretty attractive.
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There's only other, like maybe a couple of other teams that presents something that Washington would want a little more.
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I throw Denver on the last broadcast.
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I was on just with, like, a package of Jamal Murray.
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Michael Porter. Maybe a couple of pics.
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You can throw a couple of young guys even throw Monte Morris.
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And if you wanted to, I don't know why they would do all of that.
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But if they want to be a good so they could do something like that, I like that destination for them.
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Um, maybe the pelicans could could say, Hey, like, maybe we take Drew holiday in one of these young guys.
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We just seems like almost start covered is a little too full.
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And we have this guy's eye on that we really believe in.
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We have Brandon Ingram, who we like.
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We have long so that we could do something like that and take, you know, I guess do, uh, solve this equation with a little bit of subtraction.
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But from Washington side of this and I did this, you know, I'm gonna do this again.
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Not gonna would do not want Bradley Beal to get injured right now.
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He's coming off a year where he averaged 30 points per game.
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He's has missed seven games, and I think I looked this up the last three years.
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That's a pretty attractive asset.
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They'd be putting him on the market.
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They could create a bidding war.
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Maybe Brooklyn would just go absolutely bonkers.
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Trade picks after picks at their picks.
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You never know.
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I think for them they actually may want to look at this.
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I mean, what's the alternative? You hope that John Wall is? You know, even what 80% of himself, and run that with Bradley Beal.
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Even if he's 100% of himself.
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What is that really going to do? What are you building for? Um, by the time that some of their young assets, whether you're looking at, like Detroit Brown, a Rui Hatch murrah, move Wagner, whoever you want to throw in there, by the time those guys pan out, you will be 29 30 like, what do you really building for how old is ground wall Right now? He's older than deal right.
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He's like, 28.
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Yeah, he's 20.
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I want to say he's like 29 30.
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Yeah, I would say, might be closer to 30.
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I feel like John Wall has been in the league like nine years of some.
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Yeah, we were talking about how, of course.
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So the thing about the wizard situation, of course, we're gonna think about it.
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One side of his Nets fan and Nets fans and think what we want and what Nets Twitter is talking about.
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But you have wizards, they're not going to get rid of.
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They're All Star and Bradley Beal, who's 26 for, like, younger players that we could potentially offer them like Are they going younger and building around John Wall at 29 40? Like like they're not gonna do that.
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But by the way, don't have a lot of younger players At side of Jared Allen would be the biggest piece, right? Spencer Dignity is 27.
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Caress number is 26 years old.
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He cares about the same age as Bradley Deal.
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So I get I get to your point about getting the best, the best out of this asset that you possibly can if you're Washington potentially before he goes to free agency.
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But there are a plethora of other teams that could put together far more attractive packages than we can, and that's I think, probably you money assigned.
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That's the biggest issue for the Nets is.
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We don't have a ZA good crop of players to put on the table for Yeah, I could agree with that.
00:21:26
But I mean, I think that the the one thing I will say is like, if if they do, if Washington does decide to hang on to deal, this could actually get works like John Wall could come back.
00:21:37
He's a shell of himself.
00:21:38
They had to either do what the Pistons are doing with Blake Griffin and just keeping them on the shelf until they can either buy him out or just sort of let that contract run out.
00:21:46
Or, you know, they can maybe get him back.
00:21:49
They could lose twice in the first round, and that'd be pretty much it.
00:21:53
And then you're just wasting the duration of having Bradley Veal under an attractive amount of, I guess, remaining salary and really just entering his peak, I don't know, like, what's the upside for them? I Why won't o Donnell? I said this also, earlier, John Law has been talking kind of big he said.
00:22:13
He's got like a Hay is also said that like he feels like he's gonna he's gonna play the best he's ever played.
00:22:19
I know it's talk.
00:22:20
That's what all these guys say.
00:22:21
Like Odell Beckham Jr just said the same thing like a week or two.
00:22:24
But I don't know what makes you think about the Wizard.
00:22:27
It really makes you think about their side and then the rest of the league.
00:22:29
If they're gonna get rid of deal, it's gonna take a lot.
00:22:32
I don't think we exactly have it.
00:22:34
But here's something for you guys to think about because it's gonna happen is gonna change, right? So the MBA shifts every year, and usually we have the playoffs.
00:22:42
We have the end of the season to judge players off of and obviously value them.
00:22:46
What happens when we play this tournament in Orlando and, like, let's say, Caris.
00:22:51
Levert goes off the Brooklyn Nets air carried by Carris over dropping 30 points a game like his value as high as, or is at the high as it's ever been.
00:23:01
You've got to sell your guys when it's the highest time to sell your guys like we might not get a Bradley Beal.
00:23:07
But like depending on what like Spencer does and Jared Allen and carries over in this little summer, Siri's like their value could be high.
00:23:14
We could get somebody else or package of some other guys.
00:23:17
Who knows? Kyrie knows Kyrie is the only one that knows.
00:23:20
No hope, though, is that you get these.
00:23:23
I love Kyrie.
00:23:27
Just this idea like that, that's, you know, it's like like you gotta watch game.
00:23:31
Izzo is going, Uh uh, yeah, no, isn't that the hope, though, is that like you get these guys to play out of their minds.
00:23:40
I don't know what would happen with Kyrie and Katie, but if you have, like a care slivered play, well, wouldn't you want a package him for somebody in that tear that that Brad Beal is in, where he's like I would say, he's one of the best possible, if you really think about it.
00:23:51
Third options in that he can sort of play that Ray Allen role that, you know he played for the championship Celtics. I don't know.
00:23:59
I would remind me a Ray Allen a little bit obviously got the similar look but yeah, you can shoot it.
00:24:03
I mean, he gave it us.
00:24:05
I would love to see it happened.
00:24:06
I just don't I think it's a long way to go for yet.
00:24:09
The idea of Ah Beel Kyrie Katie on the court is awesome.
00:24:15
But well, that's the idea to go.
00:24:17
You talk about Lake and you're right.
00:24:19
Keep that.
00:24:20
If it carries goes off in Orlando and this comes back, it increases all of his value.
00:24:26
And But then we end up.
00:24:27
Being to do is, is evaluate.
00:24:28
And I mean, you talk about from realistically versus much more difficult.
00:24:31
Teoh make what will be another 10 to $12 million a cap space to a comedy.
00:24:37
Ah, Bradley deal, Contract.
00:24:39
But you got carrots at 16 million and we were just saying, You know, if you want to move Spencer Dinwiddie say he looks strong in this tournament and may be on a team that the old bad team that wants a starting point guard you can shift his 10 $10 million.
00:24:52
You can get rid of 15 million for Garrett Temple.
00:24:54
It's gonna reshuffle.
00:24:55
Yeah, and then you start to make you you could make another pocket for that 15 million basically represents Joe Harris. His contract.
00:25:02
If you're gonna really him, you try to figure out what is against, Like, what's the combination off money that I had? Is Caris Levert, Bradley View? No.
00:25:10
But what is the Differ what I need to What do I need to have on my roster High and Caris Levert to make up for what he doesn't give me.
00:25:18
The Bradley deal does.
00:25:19
And arguably, like we're saying, the top of this was defense is the biggest thing, and I and you can talk about how that offense would look in Brooklyn it feel was there.
00:25:28
But Matt, you mentioned, you know, holiday down the pelicans like I would make a case that that that's a guy that I wouldn't hate the Nets trying to figure out a way to get a player like that in the door because he gives you the thing that you desperately wanna have, someone who can pick up the best guard on the other team coming out on the court in the playoffs.
00:25:47
And that's a something that Kyrie Irving or Bradley Beal are gonna dio.
00:25:49
Hiree loves to give you Max effort on the defensive end, but the ratings bear out.
00:25:53
He's not a strong is not a strong defensive presence.
00:25:55
And I I always wait.
00:25:57
I'll I'm always weighing that thing off.
00:25:59
Can you just outshoot people? Right? And maybe I can, like, maybe we can kind reveal It's a very strong case that you can do it.
00:26:05
But if you need to stop, even if you're scoring 1 20 you just need to hold a team to 1 19 will this team be able to do it? Arguably? You could even make the case that that that that biggest responsibility within the falling on Katie shoulders probably just from his notes set, lot size and length and maybe being able to defend multiple positions.
00:26:24
Yeah, I think why, like I mean Drew Holiday is that it's like the classic like perfect fit vs Talent grab.
00:26:30
I think that that's what it kind of comes down to.
00:26:33
I'm in the camp of I'm not sure why the pelicans would move your holiday right now, young team, and all the sudden they could be surging and he could be the veteran that leads them.
00:26:41
Yeah, I don't know why they would necessarily do that.
00:26:44
I actually think like the Wizards may even be more inclined to move deal just because of, like, his pedigree.
00:26:49
Verses like True Holiday.
00:26:50
I mean, he's a he's a star player, but he's kind of like a the ****hest.
00:26:55
I think you can go with, like, a role playing skill set.
00:26:58
So in a way that makes him super valuable toe Whatever team you have, I think they're gonna I mean, what they're sort of would be hoping for in this next couple of years is that they can look like that really early.
00:27:08
Ah, like I guess, if assembly of the really early Okay, see thunder.
00:27:12
You know, you just have all these guys you've looked at a couple times in the draft.
00:27:16
You you've had this, you know, sort of once in a generation, trade with with the with the Lakers so that I don't know why there they would want to trade him.
00:27:26
I could see them, you know, Maybe not next year, but in a couple of years, make a deep dish playoff run.
00:27:32
The Wizards really have no future to me.
00:27:34
I just don't see Well, they don't know the future is going to be wide open.
00:27:40
Congrats, I think.
00:27:42
Right now people are just getting that like nb a summer itch.
00:27:45
You know, like every summer the MBA reshuffles, it goes crazy.
00:27:49
The free agency players end up in different places.
00:27:52
I think the Nets are gonna figure out how to land another player.
00:27:56
I can't put it.
00:27:57
Put a finger on who it is, but it might be someone that hasn't come up on our radar.
00:28:00
But these three guys before I go out when it throws one out there, these three guys have been on the next radar.
00:28:05
Or at least the Nets rumor rate are the whole season.
00:28:09
Who would you want out of the East? Three guys.
00:28:11
Bradley Beal, Drew Holiday.
00:28:16
We're Aaron Gordon.
00:28:17
Ugo.
00:28:20
Yeah, you could You could You could get away from home.
00:28:25
This is twice now.
00:28:26
I did climb minutes, put one cut one.
00:28:29
And what's the one that keeps key three? I don't understand.
00:28:34
I still don't get that three.
00:28:36
Aaron Gordon Drew Holiday.
00:28:39
Who do you want to keep going? Keep 33 This team is currently constructed.
00:28:47
Which one of those big three would you trade for to join our big three with Katie and Kyrie.
00:28:54
Um, so I don't know, OK, I'll just think about this from who fits best, and I'll try to think about it not from like what the other team would want, cause I also get that you could make a case of the pelicans may not really have a need for any of the guys that Brooklyn would be sending them unless, like, care, subvert fits in really nicely with them.
00:29:12
But otherwise, I'm not quite sure if you on that, I actually, weirdly would maybe take your holiday just because of what you're sending out versus what you're getting back.
00:29:21
Yes, I know that deal is better, but is he that much better? I'm not really sure.
00:29:25
I just think for value steak and for what he'd be adding to.
00:29:30
The Nets shoots the three ball Well, obviously defends to have a great passer, so I actually would maybe stick with through all of it, believe it or not, with all that said so, in terms of creating a complete team, they can do everything everything well, in improving the areas that you're deficient in holiday would probably be my bit my best bet.
00:29:52
They're You know, honestly, I I'll trust Kyrie and Katie to take care of the offense and then just bring myself a little more defensive prowess.
00:29:58
Probably yet, Yeah, my thinking exactly was defense.
00:30:02
He's, Ah, lock down, defender.
00:30:03
He's a yard.
00:30:04
You need that, Especially if we're trying to go to the finals and win it like Katie and Cairo.
00:30:09
You're going to score the ball, But we need somebody that's gonna lock down the other teams score.
00:30:14
Um, I would love to see that happen.
00:30:15
I just don't think the pelicans would let him him go it all.
00:30:18
Like he they need to keep him with Zion for as long as they possibly can and see what comes of that team.
00:30:24
I mean, even with Brandon anger to be, I has gone down there and completely changed from the Lakers version in that we saw it.
00:30:30
So what he's able to do, he actually would he put like 40 upon the Nets this year.
00:30:33
I think when the earlier this season we play and I'm like, How is Brandon Ingram scoring at will like this? But yeah, all 300 is gonna be a free agent as well.
00:30:42
Just in case, you know, bring him back.
00:30:44
They'll bring him back.
00:30:45
That gets compared to gay guys.
00:30:46
Play really well together.
00:30:48
I've noticed.
00:30:49
And that is that best thing for pelicans was having was having Zion willing to just come back and give a little taste.
00:30:53
You know, anything left in blood realized holiday.
00:30:57
Like keeping them together and being able to continue moving forward with it.
00:30:59
Keith, are you leaving us? Yeah, man, I gotta run.
00:31:02
Um, Thanks, Matt.
00:31:05
I could give you a couple.
00:31:06
Yeah, they bring it.
00:31:08
Bring it home. But I'll country guys tomorrow.
00:31:10
Or maybe not.
00:31:11
I'll be down the shore so I might not catch you guys until it all coming in my neck of the woods.
00:31:14
All right.
00:31:15
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00:31:19
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00:31:24
Hey, listen, Follow him on talking nets keeping fierce and enjoy it.
00:31:27
He left didn't get the actors out.
00:31:28
He's like, Yeah, it didn't matter.
00:31:31
Um, one of the one of the things I figured.
00:31:33
Just be fun to touch on sewers.
00:31:34
You said John, about John Wall. I wondered.
00:31:37
I wondered it does he become the get CP three and just salary dumped and marooned out? You know, arguably any I don't I wouldn't put him on the same level of CBS in terms of what they've done in their careers.
00:31:50
But you know, CP ends up out there in O k.
00:31:53
C.
00:31:54
And then, I mean, does a pretty good job of helping lead that team at least to a playoff berth.
00:31:59
Um, you know, I wonder if John Wool would really do well to be kind of can't quote unquote cast aside somewhere and just have a chance to be the veteran guy on a team of relatively young players.
00:32:13
And maybe if he stays healthy, it's the kind of leader he's already kind of in that, though, like he's, I feel like he's if they get rid of Billy's kind of in that perfect situation for him, where it's a low stakes, kind of, I guess, atmosphere.
00:32:27
Will they get a deal yet? Yeah, so I mean, and I mean, even with feel like you have a guy who's gonna carry the offenses, you sort of figure things out.
00:32:35
I don't think it's a pretty good situation for him no matter what, I would keep him if I were them.
00:32:39
I mean, unless somebody is suddenly super high on on John Wall.
00:32:42
But that camp is everything from from the Wizards from him from, you know, their, uh their I guess.
00:32:49
Like, uh, PR staff letting reporters come in and film his workouts cause there's been a couple articles like that.
00:32:56
It really seems like they're trying to pump up the hey, Brad deals where the John Wall is gonna be good trained, by the way, because I think like it.
00:33:04
Something you were touching on there is.
00:33:06
If you're Washington, you know, how good can you be? What can you accomplish in the East if you're Washington, you probably want to everything you can do to keep deal, obviously, and then you arguably, unless you get lucky with a draft pick or something, are you going to get a better if healthy assets and John Wall like this is probably the best two players that you can think about having right now.
00:33:28
And I don't know what names you would look at in that free agency class next year where you would say, OK, you have those two big contracts.
00:33:36
Um, you know, you got Gordon.
00:33:38
Hayward is gonna be out there, possibly assume he goes back to Boston.
00:33:41
Maybe, but he's kind of a big deal in injuries.
00:33:44
Bogdanovich will be out there, even listen, I I you know, put it out there.
00:33:48
But even a guy like Joe Harris is going to be on the market potentially from Brooklyn.
00:33:52
Like, if you're Washington, you probably say, OK, we'll take our chances that wall comes back healthy.
00:33:58
To your point, we know we have an incredibly healthy, dependable Bradley Beal.
00:34:02
If we can find a way to get a piece into the door here like, Okay, maybe we could be a 65th seed in the East.
00:34:08
And if you can do like there's these tears two franchises, right, Like there's goals based on what market urine.
00:34:14
If you're if you're the Washington Wizards, I think you'd be pretty happy behind closed doors to say, What are we? If we could be a five, sometimes a four seed, consistently year after year in the playoffs? That's an accomplishment, right? If you're if you're Brooklyn, if you're in New York if you're away, well, that's not enough, right well you have. We have expectations.
00:34:31
Or if you're it seemed like the Bucks right now who have a guy like Johannes, then you say, Yes, we're in wind down move because we don't know what's around the corner.
00:34:38
Same thing like Toronto, right? We'll do whatever we have to do to bringing Hawaii letter to get us a championship to maximize, because we know at some point when this thing kind of breaks apart, it could be a decade before we reassemble again, right? Well, I think that's the thing with Washington.
00:34:53
Is Washington is one like it's like it's weird because they're thrown into, like, this small market category, but it's actually really cool, like the season awesome city.
00:35:00
Why I think that and weirdly like their tendency to roll things over and sort of accept that 56 seed.
00:35:08
You know, fate year after year is kind of what keeps them in that mold.
00:35:13
Like they just their behavior is of a small market team.
00:35:17
So if I'm them, I'm like, Hey, we're in a really cool city, like if we're able to configure this correctly and and rebuild the proper way and not just roll over and over and over and over again, like you guys have.
00:35:28
Brad.
00:35:29
Bill, you had John Wall. Unfortunately, John Wall got injured.
00:35:32
Brad Beal is a great player, but you're suddenly your assets aren't really there.
00:35:37
You traded them in years past for pieces, whether it's like a a Bogdanovich or whoever you want to throw in there.
00:35:42
Uh, e whatever this this I would I don't want to say you guys screwed up, but if you change your GM, things happen.
00:35:52
It's that that championship basketball that we thought was gonna happen in 2017 2018 or at least they thought that, uh, it didn't happen for them.
00:36:00
So, um, I I actually I'm wondering, like with where Washington d.
00:36:05
C is.
00:36:06
There's There's around, like where the nationals.
00:36:08
When they first started, they weren't necessarily like this, like Barkey, you know, big market team.
00:36:13
And now they've totally change the perception around them.
00:36:16
I think there is a way that they could do that.
00:36:17
It's and it's kind of what the Nets are trying to do, ironically enough, and make themselves that I mean for years and years and years after, you know, Even when they added the You know Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce shortly after everybody.
00:36:29
You know when they go to 1919 there first, uh, however many games and I never really got that much better from there, you know? Didn't really change their perception of being sort of a smaller market team, almost so I I think that might be the way for them to change their fates.
00:36:45
Yeah, and I mean, listen, the Brooklyn Nets models needs you.
00:36:47
Want a point, too? Because we're were inside it.
00:36:50
It's so much.
00:36:51
But that idea.
00:36:52
Listen, take, take, take the three seasons.
00:36:54
Take on, take on some of the like if they treated John Wall right now, regardless of result.
00:36:59
If they treated him like the bloated contract they took on from another team Yep.
00:37:05
And over the next 2 to 3 years try to just taking those assets and swap things out and rebuild their quote culture.
00:37:12
And then, no, they're gonna come to a point where they have maximum cap room, say, on Bradley deals.
00:37:17
Next contract, you bring back by the railways getting 27 28 fresh max deal for him, and then you get to go out and chase a couple of free agency free agents and arguably Bradley deals.
00:37:28
You say, Look, we got Bradley deal don't like, come play with him And I wonder if that's attractive enough for some guys.
00:37:34
Maybe even high second to your guys Say, okay, if you get too high second to your guys that maybe aren't Max contract players to come in there with Bradley Beal, you could probably move the needle, you know? I mean, I don't know if it's and I was thinking about leaving out like the the Hassan Whiteside to have, like, tried to wreck limit themselves a little bit.
00:37:53
Or the Andre Drummond's.
00:37:54
They're getting dumped from Detroit over to Cleveland, Like or the other, a couple of bigger bodies that might make sense to get in there with them.
00:38:00
If you go small is a If you get away from John, Wall would advance.
00:38:04
Fleet makes sense to maybe go after free agency.
00:38:07
Typically, you don't just think about targeting some of these guys and see if you can move the needle.
00:38:11
I I don't know from a global MBA perspective.
00:38:14
We'll get out of here on this because, you know, listen, isn't one thing.
00:38:17
It's late at night.
00:38:18
I have nothing but time really did come from a global Indian perspective.
00:38:22
It's weird.
00:38:23
I think you bring it up about how you get teams into these tears of classes about what they can accomplish.
00:38:28
You know, Golden State Warriors were almost kind of like the perfect example of I don't remember ever thinking about that until all of the sudden.
00:38:36
Yet they drafted staff.
00:38:37
They had Clay, they had Draymond and this thing just bubbled up.
00:38:40
It felt like seemingly out of nowhere, like they were behind my mind from behind the scent of the Sacramento Kings.
00:38:48
You know, I was like, Yeah, alright, going.
00:38:50
Say words are out there so and they're in a major enough market being in California.
00:38:53
But I think you get these teams into certain tears, and it's just like saying, Well, Orlando now, years ago, when you had you had check for a minute, then you had Penny.
00:39:03
You did a couple of good things.
00:39:04
Understanding Gundy.
00:39:05
Well, this sudden, like Orlando, becomes this kind of way.
00:39:08
Don't ever really be.
00:39:09
It's and it's weird how perceptually it seems to be ingrained like unless you are a major market team expectations fall by the wayside.
00:39:17
And the only thing that pivots that is being Milwaukee when you have yon is like you need tohave literally ah, freak in the game in order to change how people feel about some of these satellite markets around the country.
00:39:29
I don't know, you know, Is that Is that more perception than reality? I guess is that you know, the question that I'm curious about I mean, I think it depends like I you know, I think that if you're looking at it with, like, the, you know, whether you want to get from a business opportunities perspective or you just like if you want to live in like a really vibrant city, uh, I mean, I you know, I have been to Milwaukee.
00:39:53
Woman's have been to Washington, D.
00:39:55
C.
00:39:56
Once. I would just assume that, like Washington, D.
00:39:59
C.
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Is probably a little bit more interesting from an n b.
00:40:02
A player that wants to, you know, enjoy the nightlife and have business opportunities.
00:40:05
So I think that there are different classes of that.
00:40:08
Like if you're comparing like the Milwaukee and Minnesota to, uh, you know, like a like a watching chin or what's another great, I guess.
00:40:17
Use the war here.
00:40:18
Is there something like that? Miami is another good one.
00:40:21
Chicago will be great again. Please.
00:40:23
Like that.
00:40:24
Those places all right, I think a different level than the actual really small markets Indiana for is another good one for that.
00:40:29
Like so I do think there's different levels of it.
00:40:32
I think there's like the obviously big big market teams.
00:40:35
New York.
00:40:36
Uh, the L A Lakers.
00:40:37
The Clippers, I guess, Uh, the guy said, the Knicks already.
00:40:41
Then there's a step down, like really cool cities live in.
00:40:44
Um, some of them have achieved a little bit more success than others, but I could absolutely seeing the ones that haven't may be achieved as much success jumping up, you know, maybe maybe half a level.
00:40:53
And then there's the actually, like, really small market teams.
00:40:56
It was like that.
00:40:57
We're going to be the prime candidate, right to be like the Amazing Place. Yeah.
00:41:00
Yeah.
00:41:01
It was a young team that grows all of a sudden, like maybe they can cement themselves. Yep.
00:41:05
Yeah, it is interesting to think about it.
00:41:07
I think the other difference to is then, if you're a major market, how you run the business from whatever the ownership group standpoint, I think if you're a smaller market, you may look at it as it's about.
00:41:20
Let's make a profit right, Like this business, we want to make money, and that's the first approach.
00:41:25
And the winning can sometimes be secondary.
00:41:28
When you're in a major market, there's expectations there, like fan bases, want the championship, and you have to deliver on that at some point.
00:41:36
Otherwise, you really like the next you get destroyed because you're just this inept franchise, whereas if you're the pelicans and you bubble up a little bit, it's kind of like, Oh my God, how exciting.
00:41:46
Yeah, all right, well, that didn't work out.
00:41:48
Okay, See, I think is a great example of that.
00:41:50
Very, very like rampant fan these.
00:41:53
But if it goes away from there as long as O.
00:41:55
K.
00:41:56
C.
00:41:57
Can find the sweet spot of being a playoff team and getting a little extra revenue, that's really the goal for them.
00:42:00
They always wanna have some little, you know, mild star caliber player there in order to attract fans, but but that's the difference to was, like just the pure business side of it.
00:42:08
I think that takes a lot of it from from market to market.
00:42:10
So that was a real bummer note to end things on.
00:42:13
Ah, and the end of the day, when you think about Bradley Beal, do you sign off on that? If the Nets can accomplish it is that makes sense.
00:42:20
Like visit years like yes, Like who cares? Well, we will deal with it and on the back and whatever else you need to dio Yeah.
00:42:26
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:27
If you can spend 100 will be, Ah, $110 million on three players on your roster for the next couple of seasons in Brooklyn.
00:42:36
I don't care if you get 40 million for, for for DeAndre Jordan, I know you.
00:42:42
And then you throw in a couple of $10 million price tag for that guy and then you'll have you'll have ah Spencer demon making 12 in a couple of years to So, listen, this is the price you pay when you bring in superstars, and I don't mean that negatively, but this is what happens.
00:42:55
You start to look at the landscape and you try to find these players that you can target because it is about got this window lock in the championship, You accomplish the goal, failed to do so, and then everything's gonna be about.
00:43:06
You could have gone and after and gotten Bradley deal.
00:43:08
Why didn't you try to make that move? So I think that's why a lot of these rumors pop up there.
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00:43:16
You can watch Matt Brooks, USA on the map Brooks, USA Channel.
00:43:20
You can also watch him.
00:43:22
You listen to him.
00:43:23
You can read them on nets daily on, then you really doing your Yeah.
00:43:26
Occasionally try.
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I'm trying, right street a lot.
00:43:30
They want They want people to write articles.
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Then you gotta have some sports.
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So shame on the country really is just for not bringing it back, But we're having a lot of good conversations around the stuff.
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I can't wait for the Aaron Gordon speculation to ramp up.
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Then we can come right back in and and try to see how that beautiful peace would fit in to the Brooklyn Nets roster.
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Thanks for joining me, Matt.
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We will be back, of course, as always, talking MBA action.

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