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all right.
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What is going on to all of my SportsCastr SportsCastr? How we doing today? It is, of course, your guy Matt Brooks doing a little bit of a react in stream talking Gary Payton, Shaquille O Neal, Pat Riley to set things off to read this quote, and then we'll get into it. Talk about coaches.
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Talk about how much the coaching role matters.
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Talk about what different types of coaches there are, because I think there are a lot of different kinds.
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But first, let's get into this.
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This this quote a little bit and try to and, you know, and just sort of see what we get from this.
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So this is from, Ah Rob Perez, actually.
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Well, I guess it was from a broadcast from, uh, previously.
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But this this was actually posted on Twitter by Rob Perez or worldwide Joab.
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The police chase, um, the man behind the police chase Siris on Twitter and many other things.
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Eso Rob Perez tweets us out.
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It's a clip from this giant giant zoom call that featured many, many greats and be a greats and shacks telling a story.
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He said that Ah, when he and Gary Payton got into a fight with Pat Riley.
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Gerry's response when Riley tried to make him run place was F that I'm passing the shack, which is great, shows you the dynamic that happens between two stars, especially when there's two stars that have a vision of how offenses should be run with, you know, superstar talents.
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You know that there is a really big, I think, difference between wanting to let everybody eat in a team sport versus trying to give the ball to your best players.
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So I think it's it's definitely I'll say, more often than not, the coaches want involve every player on the team versus just the stars.
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So yeah, I I think that this I mean, I like this quote a lot.
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I mean, it's also kind of funny to think about, like the idea of of them getting into a really altercation because we've seen that happen in previous situations.
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You just think of literal spree.
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Well, with P. J. Carlesimo.
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Uh, you know, that's one that really comes about where you think OK, that's really where this goes overboard.
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That's when it stops being so funny.
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The idea of Wow, these guys were really gonna go off on on Pat Riley.
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It's It's like, you know, this is this go way overboard.
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But I like this because I think it shows you that there are different philosophies at all points of really any team.
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So I think there's really a couple of different coaches you can have your coaches that are really systemized.
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So they're running a specific type of offense.
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Defense, um, and ar verily, very like set in their ways.
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You can obviously vary from game to game.
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Like I think a great example of that is Nick.
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Nurse Nick Nurse obviously has his philosophies in Toronto, things that he runs, especially defensive schemes.
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But he's changing those games to games to Ah, really like depend upon the matchup.
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I guess, Um, and then the other one I think you could do would be, you know, somebody like a developmental coach if you will.
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There was a guy that was in Brooklyn that's starting to get that name.
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Fair or not, Kenny Atkinson.
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He's got a name of being a developmental coach, a guy that will put his players first, make sure guys exceed expectations.
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You know he's like a uh, he's like a Jason Kidd and coach for where he's getting everybody paid around him.
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So, you know, I think that's another type of coach, the developmental coach, if you will.
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Somebody that again, If you come there, everybody's treated equal.
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You know, it's typically you're gonna find these guys on younger teams.
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That's very regimented.
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These guys have to be at certain places.
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They all have to use the same team doctors, and it's, you know, it's it's not military.
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I wouldn't say it's it's Yeah, it's not like a military like system, but it shirt.
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It certainly seems to be, uh, regimented like that, so that you keep guys on track and, you know, and and working together in unison to, I guess, like, you know, just just to make sure that everybody's on the same page with things.
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So I think that's another type of coach system coach, the developmental coach and then the best one of all, the superstar coach, which can absolutely be the system Bates coach.
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We've seen that in years past.
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Gregg Popovich comes to mind.
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Steve Kerr comes to mind, uh, you know, you know, Pat Riley comes to mind where It's like you're running a specific Phil Jackson, who we've heard endlessly about in the last couple of weeks.
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Those are all guys that have little philosophies and ways to win.
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But I think there's another side to that.
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You could also just be someone that's a really good personality manager.
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So there are, you know, somebody that's really well liked.
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There's varying levels of success with that, Um, you know, I think a great one.
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Terry Stotts in Portland.
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That's a team that absolutely loves playing under him.
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What he's doing game to game may not be a Z like Systemized is some of the other coaches in the West, but it's it's what he's doing is he's really getting the entire team to buy in.
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Ah, you could look at the Cavs with Ty Loop.
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That's a team that talks about him as if he's this guy that was able to manage all these egos in a sense, with LeBron and Kyrie, and he's able to make it so that the Stars feel like they're getting the attention they deserve and being heard and perhaps having plays run for them in the huddle.
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But on the flip side, he's keeping guys integrated.
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He's keeping a Kyle Korver.
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If you're looking at the 2017 Cats making sure he's running place for him giving him those curl place where he's running off, you know, off a screen or a down screen and or something like that.
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So, yeah, I mean, I think there are a lot of different types of coaches, and I think that that's what makes this leak great and a lot of ways that you don't necessarily have one way that you need to win.
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There are many ways to go about this, and coaches exemplify that may be more than just about anything.
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Um, you know, there's obviously, if you look it from a player's perspective.
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There are different types of players, different positions.
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But in general, it's those big ball handling wings that really seem to excel.
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I mean, the top three guys right now, if you look at him before you know the stoppage and especially before the end of last season, I think it's pretty much, you know, it's probably gonna be something along the lines of LeBron Katie and and uh and and Kawai.
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And maybe you could throw you honest and they're kind of all the same sort of type of, really giant guys that can handle the ball, create their own shots.
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But with coaches, there's many ways to go about it.
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You could be great in many different ways, so I like that about that side of the sport.
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Uh, I wanted to go go through some coaches that I think really matter, cause this is always like a big argument for me.
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Is the chicken or the egg type of thing? Um do our coaches the reasons that teams succeed or are succeed? I think it's very difficult to like, figure out one or the other and sometimes there's really never an answer.
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It's It's like you know where you're going to get an independent, you know, playing field essentially, where you're able to solve this conundrum of players versus coaches Self.
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I think the guys that come to mind when you're really looking at coaches, that matter.
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Um, I would go Spoelstra, Nick, nurse, who I mentioned earlier and then after that I mean, you're I guess you're looking at, um you know, I mean, is that that might be it, or you could maybe throw Stevens in there.
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But like those top three coaches that I would easily pick those two.
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And then after that, it gets a little tough to discern.
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There's obviously many great minds.
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I think there's like a very, very, very nice middle class of coaches and upper middle class.
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But on the threshold of guys where I'm like you can throw this guy on any team, I really only see a couple of names that really do that. Rick Carlisle.
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Thank you, Brian.
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What's a bride, Uh, for for guys that are gonna make teams win Recall.
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That was a great one.
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Because he's a guy that, uh that, you know, he will get the guys on the bench like six through 10 to play out of their minds like you look at that map steam this year and they have Dylan, right? Seth Curry.
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Um, you know a bunch of other guys who is another good one.
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What? Jesse Jackson didn't play great, but he's an interesting one. Maxie Cleaver.
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All these guys that are playing really, really well and it's always like that for Dallas.
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You know where they just have guys that you're like, How is t J Beret like, you know, 30 in his mid thirties and killing guys still regularly.
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And that's obviously a testament to J. J. Barea.
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But they really do.
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You know, they always air just able to put out these explosive offenses.
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Even in the years when they were, you know, tank it.
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They still were a team that was tough toe to play night tonight, and I think that's a big testament that to to like what he brings to the table.
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So those are the main coaches that I think really, really move the dial.
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After that, you're getting into, like as I said, Stevens is probably at the top of that class.
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Um, you could look at somebody like Doc Rivers Uh ah Snyder in Utah, who I think is actually pretty much near that threshold of where Stevens is. I think he's outstanding.
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He's right up there.
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Mike Malone is another really solid one.
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Ah, I like what Frank Vogel did this year.
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I thought that they made that work.
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I did not like that roster coming into it.
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It just seemed like a very it like it, just a roster that really didn't fit the season and fit the era and that he was able to make that work.
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They were really, really tremendous defensive team, you know, on offense they were great in transition.
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I know a lot of that speaks to LeBron, but I thought he did a really great job and I think he deserves a lot of credit.
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They're going down the line.
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Billy Donovan was great this year.
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I think that this was a big year for him.
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Kind of reminded me actually of Spoelstra right after they lost LeBron.
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Um, you know, people were still not sure.
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I think people like him at that point, but in able to keep that key team a winning culture, I think he made a lot of people.
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Fans of him and Billy Donovan has done his thing this year.
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They were really, really interesting.
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I think on paper, that three guard lineup that they were running doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense in every situation.
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But he figured out a way to play those guys together so that they were really almost **** near unstoppable on offense.
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I'm a lot I goes to C P but again it's three guys that they're smaller.
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It's a smaller three guard lineup, and they made that work we have. We've seen that.
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Not work in teams passed.
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Think about that Phoenix team with I T.
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Dragic and Eric Bledsoe that I actually like that that group of three guys a little bit better in theory, but it didn't work as well, so I think he deserves a lot of credit.
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D'Antoni in in Houston, Of course, you gotta throw him in there and then looking back down on it, Taylor Jenkins.
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And in Memphis, another one, I think that could really sneak into that top tier.
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Maybe that top 76 or seven in the next couple of years really hot start for him.
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Um and, you know, gotta throw pop in there, but I think Papa be done sooner than later, but he definitely deserves a shot as well.
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And then I mentioned Terry Stotts of beginning the broadcast.
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I think he's excellent.
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So you're looking at a really strong cast of coaches right now.
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A lot of guys, I think, in theory are gonna be needle movers.
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But I don't know if you put them in an independent situation, that team is gonna be competitive night tonight, no matter what.
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I really only think there's a select group of guys in terms of coaching figures that are going to do that.
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So, you know, that's kind of where I'm at right now.
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I think there's a nice little top three class.
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We mentioned some of those a nice little upper middle, nice, really solid middle class and then, I mean, compared to years past, I don't really think there's that many, really, you know, quote, quote, bad coaches, even guys that I think have received some criticism this year.
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You know Luke Walton was getting dragged a little bit for a while.
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He figured that out.
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He made that work with them.
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Um, in a way, actually kind of forced some of his players to improve on the fly.
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You know, you look a deer and fox, a guy that really couldn't score in the half court.
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I think he rose to you no closer to a a average to above average anywhere from like a you think about on a number A number line to 100 use, I think, like 1/50 percentile of the 70th percentile.
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1/2 court score.
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So I remember looking at that recently.
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I believe I'm right about that.
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So, in changing the way that they played, which was slowing it down, Luke Walton actually may have improved his best player in a way that may not have happened In a different scenario, Brian says, Do you think phys ed shops fizz? Fizz got chopped? I don't know if his has chops, but he got chopped. Got him.
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Who calls your hair? Dude, it's It's bad right now.
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I'm I'm in that in between stage right now. Adam.
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Where, um where I I'm like I was talking about it yesterday.
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I did a stream with, uh, Anthony Boucher, Puccio of Nets daily, Um, or the pooch Aziz.
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We know him around here in Nets Nation.
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I was talking about how I was like, I'm in that awkward in between stage where it's just going over my years.
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It's like the ugliest Errol have.
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Maybe for the next year, it's It's just absolutely heinous.
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So what I would say to you, Adam, is just grow your hair up.
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Well, you have longer hair, so cut your hair like a really awkward length right now.
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You see you have these stragglers, These little like you know, these pea**** feathers right here.
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It's a It's a really great look for me right now, really killing it today.
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Um, let me see.
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I'm gonna see if I got any appreciate guys.
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We're hoping in on chat today, even alive over here.
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Uh, let's see.
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Adam has to say, also think he is coming to and wonder what pop does on teams with consecutive number one.
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Oh, like, are you saying with top and talents? I mean, I think I kind of saw that with Duncan.
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I believe.
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I think if that's what you're asking, Um, yeah.
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I mean, we saw that with Duncan.
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You know, Duncan, now at this point is overlooked like crazy.
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There is a real conversation that the two thousands, at least the early two thousands really should have belonged to him and not somebody like Kobe or whoever he owned that middle era that, you know, there was obviously some nice little you know, Pistons teams and other Kings teams, but and Lakers, of course, at the beginning of the two thousands.
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But he really owned a full decade.
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It almost felt like in a lot of ways put appliances fought.
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Loki has a massive ego.
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Uh, yeah.
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I would love to see Pop coach some of these stars now and just Ah, can you imagine if these guys they're showing up with, you know, trying to get their best fits off telling him out a run plays Bob is getting out of the perfect time for him.
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Man, I'll tell you that right now, like he doesn't want to deal with some of the stuff that the guys dio.
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Now that's that's in my opinion.
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You know, he's OK with coaching LaMarcus Aldridge, DEMAR DeRozan to Loki dudes and just heading out.
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I think it's the perfect way for five to do this.
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Um, I'm sorry to see if I missed any coaches.
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I want overview.
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Yeah, after the otherwise. And that.
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It's just a bunch of young guys, um, teams, you know, guys that we probably don't quite have a feel for yet.
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Just because it's very hard, I think, to separate situation from actual skillful nous is a coach.
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So even on teams that weren't achieving as much kind of a little too early to tell, like Atlanta Lloyd Pierce, I have no idea if he's a good coach yet.
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I kind of like him in theory.
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But he's coaching a team that doesn't have a ton of talent and is really young and was pegged with crazy expectations.
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Um, that I I personally didn't really think we're that fair in year, what to almost basically you're to of a new era.
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So, yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of guys that I think that's are so hard to separate.
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But to cap this whole thing off, it's hard to separate situation from skillful Nous is a coach and just pedigree in general.
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But the biggest take away is that great coaches make it work no matter what good coaches bring out the best in teams that have a little bit of talent and then bad coaches, they either playing at about average or or worse.
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I mean, it's gotta That's the best I can sum this up.
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It's very hard to figure out.
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Oh, it's up, Danny, Daddy's on SportsCastr.
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What's up, bro? Um, let's see.
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Brian, where in the war Where is the world with Dwayne Casey? You know, Pistons? I mean, just based on what I've seen, Pistons, Twitter is super out on Dwayne Casey.
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I think that I mean, Dwane Casey has a problem.
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That he's coached so many good teams that he's sort of more used to playing older players.
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I get that feeling so they were running like a lot of their elder statesman.
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Even like Thon Maker, who at this point is like a veteran player now, it's just like somewhere to think about.
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But, uh, but if you look at it like he's running like older players per saying and I think it took them a while to stumble upon, like the Christian ah, the Christian Woods of the week.
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So So, Yeah, so I I think that because of that, some some people were a little bit out on him.
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And he's also got the unceremonious thing of being, you know, let go of by a team and then that team going on to win an N b A Finals in their first year of the new coach.
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That's always a tough go.
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That's a little bit tough to shake.
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So, yeah, I mean it not a great history with that.
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For most guys that have been in that situation, you look at like, you know, the Cavs coach.
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Who? Right? David Blatt Can't remember his name right now. David Blatt.
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Uhm, Mark Jackson.
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It's always a tough go at it.
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So, yeah, um, I'm gonna cap this off right now.
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We had a nice little 17 minutes.
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Did, um I sold chatter about coaches, Did a little overview, but I want to thank everybody for hopping on.
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Appreciate all my guys for hopping on.
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Go check out Brian of the glue Guys, go check out his channel will be actually streaming there at 8 p.m.
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Eastern standard time today.
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Go check out my guy.
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Are Brett keeping it fresh in here? Um, and go check out.
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He's got Adam's got to SportsCastr channels.
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Um Matt Brooks nb a Do not forget the n B A.
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Did a nice long stream on nets jerseys yesterday.
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My guy, Anthony Puccio.
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As I mentioned, we went through and raided every single nets jersey ever.
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Everyone, ever since they were the New Jersey Americans in 1968.
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And then otherwise I'll see you guys next time.
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Maybe I'll go call my hair because it's looking like a mess.
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Peace.

Shaquille O’Neal, Gary Payton recall the time they wanted to choke Pat Riley

In the ‘9os reunion episode of NBA Inside Stuff, one of the stories that stood out came from Hall of Fame big man Shaquille O’Neal, who recalled the time he almost choked out then-Miami Heat head coach Pat Riley. Apparently, he wasn’t the only one, as Heat teammate Gary Payton also wanted to wrap his […]

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all right.
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What is going on to all of my SportsCastr SportsCastr? How we doing today? It is, of course, your guy Matt Brooks doing a little bit of a react in stream talking Gary Payton, Shaquille O Neal, Pat Riley to set things off to read this quote, and then we'll get into it. Talk about coaches.
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Talk about how much the coaching role matters.
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Talk about what different types of coaches there are, because I think there are a lot of different kinds.
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But first, let's get into this.
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This this quote a little bit and try to and, you know, and just sort of see what we get from this.
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So this is from, Ah Rob Perez, actually.
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Well, I guess it was from a broadcast from, uh, previously.
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But this this was actually posted on Twitter by Rob Perez or worldwide Joab.
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The police chase, um, the man behind the police chase Siris on Twitter and many other things.
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Eso Rob Perez tweets us out.
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It's a clip from this giant giant zoom call that featured many, many greats and be a greats and shacks telling a story.
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He said that Ah, when he and Gary Payton got into a fight with Pat Riley.
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Gerry's response when Riley tried to make him run place was F that I'm passing the shack, which is great, shows you the dynamic that happens between two stars, especially when there's two stars that have a vision of how offenses should be run with, you know, superstar talents.
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You know that there is a really big, I think, difference between wanting to let everybody eat in a team sport versus trying to give the ball to your best players.
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So I think it's it's definitely I'll say, more often than not, the coaches want involve every player on the team versus just the stars.
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So yeah, I I think that this I mean, I like this quote a lot.
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I mean, it's also kind of funny to think about, like the idea of of them getting into a really altercation because we've seen that happen in previous situations.
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You just think of literal spree.
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Well, with P. J. Carlesimo.
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Uh, you know, that's one that really comes about where you think OK, that's really where this goes overboard.
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That's when it stops being so funny.
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The idea of Wow, these guys were really gonna go off on on Pat Riley.
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It's It's like, you know, this is this go way overboard.
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But I like this because I think it shows you that there are different philosophies at all points of really any team.
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So I think there's really a couple of different coaches you can have your coaches that are really systemized.
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So they're running a specific type of offense.
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Defense, um, and ar verily, very like set in their ways.
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You can obviously vary from game to game.
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Like I think a great example of that is Nick.
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Nurse Nick Nurse obviously has his philosophies in Toronto, things that he runs, especially defensive schemes.
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But he's changing those games to games to Ah, really like depend upon the matchup.
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I guess, Um, and then the other one I think you could do would be, you know, somebody like a developmental coach if you will.
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There was a guy that was in Brooklyn that's starting to get that name.
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Fair or not, Kenny Atkinson.
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He's got a name of being a developmental coach, a guy that will put his players first, make sure guys exceed expectations.
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You know he's like a uh, he's like a Jason Kidd and coach for where he's getting everybody paid around him.
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So, you know, I think that's another type of coach, the developmental coach, if you will.
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Somebody that again, If you come there, everybody's treated equal.
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You know, it's typically you're gonna find these guys on younger teams.
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That's very regimented.
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These guys have to be at certain places.
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They all have to use the same team doctors, and it's, you know, it's it's not military.
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I wouldn't say it's it's Yeah, it's not like a military like system, but it shirt.
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It certainly seems to be, uh, regimented like that, so that you keep guys on track and, you know, and and working together in unison to, I guess, like, you know, just just to make sure that everybody's on the same page with things.
00:04:04
So I think that's another type of coach system coach, the developmental coach and then the best one of all, the superstar coach, which can absolutely be the system Bates coach.
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We've seen that in years past.
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Gregg Popovich comes to mind.
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Steve Kerr comes to mind, uh, you know, you know, Pat Riley comes to mind where It's like you're running a specific Phil Jackson, who we've heard endlessly about in the last couple of weeks.
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Those are all guys that have little philosophies and ways to win.
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But I think there's another side to that.
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You could also just be someone that's a really good personality manager.
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So there are, you know, somebody that's really well liked.
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There's varying levels of success with that, Um, you know, I think a great one.
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Terry Stotts in Portland.
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That's a team that absolutely loves playing under him.
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What he's doing game to game may not be a Z like Systemized is some of the other coaches in the West, but it's it's what he's doing is he's really getting the entire team to buy in.
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Ah, you could look at the Cavs with Ty Loop.
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That's a team that talks about him as if he's this guy that was able to manage all these egos in a sense, with LeBron and Kyrie, and he's able to make it so that the Stars feel like they're getting the attention they deserve and being heard and perhaps having plays run for them in the huddle.
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But on the flip side, he's keeping guys integrated.
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He's keeping a Kyle Korver.
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If you're looking at the 2017 Cats making sure he's running place for him giving him those curl place where he's running off, you know, off a screen or a down screen and or something like that.
00:05:35
So, yeah, I mean, I think there are a lot of different types of coaches, and I think that that's what makes this leak great and a lot of ways that you don't necessarily have one way that you need to win.
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There are many ways to go about this, and coaches exemplify that may be more than just about anything.
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Um, you know, there's obviously, if you look it from a player's perspective.
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There are different types of players, different positions.
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But in general, it's those big ball handling wings that really seem to excel.
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I mean, the top three guys right now, if you look at him before you know the stoppage and especially before the end of last season, I think it's pretty much, you know, it's probably gonna be something along the lines of LeBron Katie and and uh and and Kawai.
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And maybe you could throw you honest and they're kind of all the same sort of type of, really giant guys that can handle the ball, create their own shots.
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But with coaches, there's many ways to go about it.
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You could be great in many different ways, so I like that about that side of the sport.
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Uh, I wanted to go go through some coaches that I think really matter, cause this is always like a big argument for me.
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Is the chicken or the egg type of thing? Um do our coaches the reasons that teams succeed or are succeed? I think it's very difficult to like, figure out one or the other and sometimes there's really never an answer.
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It's It's like you know where you're going to get an independent, you know, playing field essentially, where you're able to solve this conundrum of players versus coaches Self.
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I think the guys that come to mind when you're really looking at coaches, that matter.
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Um, I would go Spoelstra, Nick, nurse, who I mentioned earlier and then after that I mean, you're I guess you're looking at, um you know, I mean, is that that might be it, or you could maybe throw Stevens in there.
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But like those top three coaches that I would easily pick those two.
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And then after that, it gets a little tough to discern.
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There's obviously many great minds.
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I think there's like a very, very, very nice middle class of coaches and upper middle class.
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But on the threshold of guys where I'm like you can throw this guy on any team, I really only see a couple of names that really do that. Rick Carlisle.
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Thank you, Brian.
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What's a bride, Uh, for for guys that are gonna make teams win Recall.
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That was a great one.
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Because he's a guy that, uh that, you know, he will get the guys on the bench like six through 10 to play out of their minds like you look at that map steam this year and they have Dylan, right? Seth Curry.
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Um, you know a bunch of other guys who is another good one.
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What? Jesse Jackson didn't play great, but he's an interesting one. Maxie Cleaver.
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All these guys that are playing really, really well and it's always like that for Dallas.
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You know where they just have guys that you're like, How is t J Beret like, you know, 30 in his mid thirties and killing guys still regularly.
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And that's obviously a testament to J. J. Barea.
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But they really do.
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You know, they always air just able to put out these explosive offenses.
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Even in the years when they were, you know, tank it.
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They still were a team that was tough toe to play night tonight, and I think that's a big testament that to to like what he brings to the table.
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So those are the main coaches that I think really, really move the dial.
00:08:54
After that, you're getting into, like as I said, Stevens is probably at the top of that class.
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Um, you could look at somebody like Doc Rivers Uh ah Snyder in Utah, who I think is actually pretty much near that threshold of where Stevens is. I think he's outstanding.
00:09:12
He's right up there.
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Mike Malone is another really solid one.
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Ah, I like what Frank Vogel did this year.
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I thought that they made that work.
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I did not like that roster coming into it.
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It just seemed like a very it like it, just a roster that really didn't fit the season and fit the era and that he was able to make that work.
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They were really, really tremendous defensive team, you know, on offense they were great in transition.
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I know a lot of that speaks to LeBron, but I thought he did a really great job and I think he deserves a lot of credit.
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They're going down the line.
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Billy Donovan was great this year.
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I think that this was a big year for him.
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Kind of reminded me actually of Spoelstra right after they lost LeBron.
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Um, you know, people were still not sure.
00:09:53
I think people like him at that point, but in able to keep that key team a winning culture, I think he made a lot of people.
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Fans of him and Billy Donovan has done his thing this year.
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They were really, really interesting.
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I think on paper, that three guard lineup that they were running doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense in every situation.
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But he figured out a way to play those guys together so that they were really almost **** near unstoppable on offense.
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I'm a lot I goes to C P but again it's three guys that they're smaller.
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It's a smaller three guard lineup, and they made that work we have. We've seen that.
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Not work in teams passed.
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Think about that Phoenix team with I T.
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Dragic and Eric Bledsoe that I actually like that that group of three guys a little bit better in theory, but it didn't work as well, so I think he deserves a lot of credit.
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D'Antoni in in Houston, Of course, you gotta throw him in there and then looking back down on it, Taylor Jenkins.
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And in Memphis, another one, I think that could really sneak into that top tier.
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Maybe that top 76 or seven in the next couple of years really hot start for him.
00:10:55
Um and, you know, gotta throw pop in there, but I think Papa be done sooner than later, but he definitely deserves a shot as well.
00:11:02
And then I mentioned Terry Stotts of beginning the broadcast.
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I think he's excellent.
00:11:05
So you're looking at a really strong cast of coaches right now.
00:11:08
A lot of guys, I think, in theory are gonna be needle movers.
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But I don't know if you put them in an independent situation, that team is gonna be competitive night tonight, no matter what.
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I really only think there's a select group of guys in terms of coaching figures that are going to do that.
00:11:24
So, you know, that's kind of where I'm at right now.
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I think there's a nice little top three class.
00:11:28
We mentioned some of those a nice little upper middle, nice, really solid middle class and then, I mean, compared to years past, I don't really think there's that many, really, you know, quote, quote, bad coaches, even guys that I think have received some criticism this year.
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You know Luke Walton was getting dragged a little bit for a while.
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He figured that out.
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He made that work with them.
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Um, in a way, actually kind of forced some of his players to improve on the fly.
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You know, you look a deer and fox, a guy that really couldn't score in the half court.
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I think he rose to you no closer to a a average to above average anywhere from like a you think about on a number A number line to 100 use, I think, like 1/50 percentile of the 70th percentile.
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1/2 court score.
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So I remember looking at that recently.
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I believe I'm right about that.
00:12:15
So, in changing the way that they played, which was slowing it down, Luke Walton actually may have improved his best player in a way that may not have happened In a different scenario, Brian says, Do you think phys ed shops fizz? Fizz got chopped? I don't know if his has chops, but he got chopped. Got him.
00:12:39
Who calls your hair? Dude, it's It's bad right now.
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I'm I'm in that in between stage right now. Adam.
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Where, um where I I'm like I was talking about it yesterday.
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I did a stream with, uh, Anthony Boucher, Puccio of Nets daily, Um, or the pooch Aziz.
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We know him around here in Nets Nation.
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I was talking about how I was like, I'm in that awkward in between stage where it's just going over my years.
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It's like the ugliest Errol have.
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Maybe for the next year, it's It's just absolutely heinous.
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So what I would say to you, Adam, is just grow your hair up.
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Well, you have longer hair, so cut your hair like a really awkward length right now.
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You see you have these stragglers, These little like you know, these pea**** feathers right here.
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It's a It's a really great look for me right now, really killing it today.
00:13:26
Um, let me see.
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I'm gonna see if I got any appreciate guys.
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We're hoping in on chat today, even alive over here.
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Uh, let's see.
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Adam has to say, also think he is coming to and wonder what pop does on teams with consecutive number one.
00:13:43
Oh, like, are you saying with top and talents? I mean, I think I kind of saw that with Duncan.
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I believe.
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I think if that's what you're asking, Um, yeah.
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I mean, we saw that with Duncan.
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You know, Duncan, now at this point is overlooked like crazy.
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There is a real conversation that the two thousands, at least the early two thousands really should have belonged to him and not somebody like Kobe or whoever he owned that middle era that, you know, there was obviously some nice little you know, Pistons teams and other Kings teams, but and Lakers, of course, at the beginning of the two thousands.
00:14:20
But he really owned a full decade.
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It almost felt like in a lot of ways put appliances fought.
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Loki has a massive ego.
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Uh, yeah.
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I would love to see Pop coach some of these stars now and just Ah, can you imagine if these guys they're showing up with, you know, trying to get their best fits off telling him out a run plays Bob is getting out of the perfect time for him.
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Man, I'll tell you that right now, like he doesn't want to deal with some of the stuff that the guys dio.
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Now that's that's in my opinion.
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You know, he's OK with coaching LaMarcus Aldridge, DEMAR DeRozan to Loki dudes and just heading out.
00:15:03
I think it's the perfect way for five to do this.
00:15:05
Um, I'm sorry to see if I missed any coaches.
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I want overview.
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Yeah, after the otherwise. And that.
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It's just a bunch of young guys, um, teams, you know, guys that we probably don't quite have a feel for yet.
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Just because it's very hard, I think, to separate situation from actual skillful nous is a coach.
00:15:21
So even on teams that weren't achieving as much kind of a little too early to tell, like Atlanta Lloyd Pierce, I have no idea if he's a good coach yet.
00:15:29
I kind of like him in theory.
00:15:30
But he's coaching a team that doesn't have a ton of talent and is really young and was pegged with crazy expectations.
00:15:37
Um, that I I personally didn't really think we're that fair in year, what to almost basically you're to of a new era.
00:15:45
So, yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of guys that I think that's are so hard to separate.
00:15:48
But to cap this whole thing off, it's hard to separate situation from skillful Nous is a coach and just pedigree in general.
00:16:00
But the biggest take away is that great coaches make it work no matter what good coaches bring out the best in teams that have a little bit of talent and then bad coaches, they either playing at about average or or worse.
00:16:18
I mean, it's gotta That's the best I can sum this up.
00:16:21
It's very hard to figure out.
00:16:23
Oh, it's up, Danny, Daddy's on SportsCastr.
00:16:25
What's up, bro? Um, let's see.
00:16:29
Brian, where in the war Where is the world with Dwayne Casey? You know, Pistons? I mean, just based on what I've seen, Pistons, Twitter is super out on Dwayne Casey.
00:16:43
I think that I mean, Dwane Casey has a problem.
00:16:46
That he's coached so many good teams that he's sort of more used to playing older players.
00:16:52
I get that feeling so they were running like a lot of their elder statesman.
00:16:56
Even like Thon Maker, who at this point is like a veteran player now, it's just like somewhere to think about.
00:17:01
But, uh, but if you look at it like he's running like older players per saying and I think it took them a while to stumble upon, like the Christian ah, the Christian Woods of the week.
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So So, Yeah, so I I think that because of that, some some people were a little bit out on him.
00:17:20
And he's also got the unceremonious thing of being, you know, let go of by a team and then that team going on to win an N b A Finals in their first year of the new coach.
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That's always a tough go.
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That's a little bit tough to shake.
00:17:32
So, yeah, I mean it not a great history with that.
00:17:36
For most guys that have been in that situation, you look at like, you know, the Cavs coach.
00:17:42
Who? Right? David Blatt Can't remember his name right now. David Blatt.
00:17:46
Uhm, Mark Jackson.
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It's always a tough go at it.
00:17:50
So, yeah, um, I'm gonna cap this off right now.
00:17:53
We had a nice little 17 minutes.
00:17:55
Did, um I sold chatter about coaches, Did a little overview, but I want to thank everybody for hopping on.
00:18:00
Appreciate all my guys for hopping on.
00:18:03
Go check out Brian of the glue Guys, go check out his channel will be actually streaming there at 8 p.m.
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Eastern standard time today.
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Go check out my guy.
00:18:13
Adam.
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Are Brett keeping it fresh in here? Um, and go check out.
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He's got Adam's got to SportsCastr channels.
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So he's got his own Adam are Brick.
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And then we got Nets Channel as well.
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Go check out both of those.
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Go check out my second channel.
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Mothers will plug myself warm here.
00:18:29
Um Matt Brooks nb a Do not forget the n B A.
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Did a nice long stream on nets jerseys yesterday.
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My guy, Anthony Puccio.
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As I mentioned, we went through and raided every single nets jersey ever.
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Everyone, ever since they were the New Jersey Americans in 1968.
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We did those. We rank those.
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We deliberated for an hour and 1/2.
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It was fun, man.
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So go check that out.
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And then otherwise I'll see you guys next time.
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Maybe I'll go call my hair because it's looking like a mess.
00:19:01
Peace.

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